From gould!andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+ Fri Jul 27 17:22:54 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA10745; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:22:53 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA16291; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:34:09 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA06121; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:33:09 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:33:07 EDT Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Don Law Subject: Re: Roland Sampler mailing list Status: RO Hi, welcome to the sgroup! This group is for owners/users of Roland sampling gear (S10 50 550 330 770 and the W30). It is an interactive mailing list, meaning that all messages sent to the list are automatically bounced to all members. Discussion is open for anything you people would like to talk about. I try to locate and review third party manufacturers and encourage others to as well. Several members have successfully traded their own sounds with one another. Please send all messages to: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subscription info to: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu neil herzinger Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! 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The undelivered message follows: ---------------- Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Jul 90 21:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apple.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Fri, 27 Jul 90 21:08:38 EDT Received: by apple.com (5.61/25-eef) id AA03902; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:47:23 -0700 for Received: by netcom.uucp (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.40) id ; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:41 PDT Message-Id: From: netcom!sjs@apple.com (Stephen Schow) Subject: Sequencer Disks To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:41:21 PDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Hey all, I am new to this group, so I would just like to introduce myself. My name is Steve Schow I am a Programmer/Semi-professional musician/Student I own the following equipment: Roland S-550 Roland MKS-20 Korg M1 Korg DW-8000 Art Multiverb BOSS GL-100 Barbetta Amp Mixers and things Macintosh & Vision I live in Redwood City, CA My musical ambition is to score movie soundtracks....I'm sure there are few of you with similar desires. Right now I just play and play and write and compose. I may work into the jingles market as a step in the right direction. I use the S-550 sampler all the time. The biggest problem that I have with it is setting up custom sequencer disks(i.e. Drums, Bass, etc...) Lately I haven't really been worrying about it toom much because I got the M1, however, I would really like to get the full potential out of my S-550 and free up the M1 for just sparkling killer synth sounds. I just keep reusing the same old sequence disks, which works OK, but my songs are starting to sound the same. Is there an easier way to do this? Is there any Mac software that does it for me? I already have the hard drive system disk which does do some automatic patch arrangement, but its not smart enough to tell when a patch is not in duall mode and so it sometimes uses up more memory than it should and therefore fills up quicker. Also, some of the better custom disks that I have purchased are smarter about truncating samples and squeezing stuff into the available memory. Again, is there any Mac software that does this sort of thing? I don't really care too much about actually editing sounds or sampling my own stuff(no flames please) ....I just don't have time to do that, especially with so many great sounds already available. Better yet, is there any sound trading going on with this group? I look forward to hearing what other netters are doing with their samplers. ---------------- From gould!andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+ Fri Jul 27 17:22:54 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA10745; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:22:53 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA16291; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:34:09 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA06121; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:33:09 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:33:07 EDT Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 90 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Don Law Subject: Re: Roland Sampler mailing list Status: RO Hi, welcome to the sgroup! This group is for owners/users of Roland sampling gear (S10 50 550 330 770 and the W30). It is an interactive mailing list, meaning that all messages sent to the list are automatically bounced to all members. Discussion is open for anything you people would like to talk about. I try to locate and review third party manufacturers and encourage others to as well. Several members have successfully traded their own sounds with one another. Please send all messages to: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subscription info to: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu neil herzinger Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA From gould!andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+ Tue Jul 31 09:33:32 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA15821; Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:33:30 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA17621; Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:44:25 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA26541; Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:44:04 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:43:06 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from encore.encore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:39:15 EDT Received: by encore.encore.com (5.64/25-eef) id AA26311; Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:38:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:38:44 -0400 From: Don Law Message-Id: <9007311338.AA26311@encore.encore.com> To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Hello, my name is ... Status: RO Hello, everyone. I'm one of the new guys in the group that Neil was talking about. I thought I would introduce myself. First of all, a special thanks to Neil for administering this thing! Here is a summary of what I have and what I do: NAME: Don Law HOME ADDRESS: 722 SW 81st Avenue #10A / North Lauderdale, FL 33068 WORK: Encore Computer Corporation / Fort Lauderdale, FL 33313 HOME PHONE: (305) 722-4016 WORK PHONE: (305) 587-2900 EQUIPMENT OWNED: SYNTHS: Roland- S-10 Sampler Yamaha- FB-01 Sound generator (4 op FM 8 voice multi) Yamaha- RX-15 Drum Machine Yamaha- CS60 - ANALOG! KNOBS! Maybe for sale. Kawai- MS710 - baby keys, lounge-lizard, but nice MIDI OTHER MIDI: Yamaha- YME8 2x8 Midi Splitter MusicQuest - PC Midi Card (MPU401 compatible) COMPUTER: IBM/XT Clone SEQUENCER: Voyetra Sequencer Plus Mark II INSTRUMENTS: Carvin LB70 Bass Guitar AMP: Plush P1000S Tube Amp w/ 2x15 speaker cabinet EFFECTS: DOD FX80B Compressor/Sustainer OTHER: Tektronix 454 Dual Trace Oscilloscope ACCESS TO: Yamaha- PSR-70 Casio- CZ-1 STYLE: Christian contemporary, pop. INFLUENCES: Everybody I listen to. REAL JOB: Development of parallel real-time Ada runtime systems. EMAIL: Internet: dlaw@encore.com Usenet: ...!uunet!gould!dlaw CURRENT MUSICAL ACTIVITIES: I play bass in "Crossover," a Christian (very non-profit) band. We have: me on bass, drums, guitar, vocal singer, and my XT on keys. We just had our first mini-concert in our local church sanctuary - it was great! Big room with nice acoustics. My first question for the Roland sample user's group: Does anyone know of a good source for those 2.8 inch "Quick disks" that the S-10 uses? I can buy them locally for $3 each. --Don From gould!andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+ Tue Jul 31 10:09:19 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA15989; Tue, 31 Jul 90 10:09:18 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA18794; Tue, 31 Jul 90 10:20:03 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA28649; Tue, 31 Jul 90 10:19:45 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 31 Jul 90 10:18:45 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 31 Jul 90 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 31 Jul 90 10:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 31 Jul 90 10:16:40 EDT Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA00786 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.3 for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu); Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:16:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 90 09:16:14 -0500 From: "Derek A. Taubert" Message-Id: <9007311416.AA00786@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: New to the group Status: RO Well, I suppose I'm the other one who is new to this group. Hello to all. I'm afraid that I'm not quite as interesting as the other guys, but I'm working on it. I'm a student (Electrical Engineering) at the University of Illinois and I'm in a band back in my hometown. I play keyboard and sing most of the vocals. My equipment list is small, I don't have a job here at school, and it's hard to buy electronics with air. I have a roland W-30 that I got a few months ago, and an Apple IIgs that I program on a regular basis. I have all the midi equipment needed to interface the two, but I have yet to splurge for the software. So I have a few questions: 1) Does anyone with a IIgs have the mastertracks program? How does it rate? 2) I'm looking for some heavy electronic lead synth samples... I'll explain. I have great strings and saxs and jet airplanes, but I'm looking for some sounds that I can load up and really jam with the band. 3) Scott Palmer alerted me to a rumor that a memory upgrade was being worked on for the W-30. Any news? I like the keyboard, but 512K just isn't enough. From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Jul 31 12:40:09 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA16511; Tue, 31 Jul 90 12:40:07 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA22225; Tue, 31 Jul 90 12:51:03 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA07318; Tue, 31 Jul 90 12:50:50 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 31 Jul 90 12:49:13 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 31 Jul 90 12:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 31 Jul 90 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from chip.cs.ucla.edu by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 31 Jul 90 12:44:20 EDT Date: 31 Jul 90 09:45:56 From: Tom Johnson Subject: Hi all--This looks like it' To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Status: RO Hi all--This looks like it's gonna be fun... Ok, let me introduce myself. My name is Tom Johnson. I entered UCLA in the music department (woodwind performance), but chickened out and decided to enter a "real" major instead :-). So I switched to Micro/molecular biology, got my degree and now I work in the Hardware lab of the UCLA CS department doing mac programming and networking. Go figure. All the others gave a rundown of their equipment, so here goes: Selmer mark VI alto and soprano saxes Chapman Stick--my current love. One of these days I'll get one of the MIDI versions. Assorted guitars and basses -- Yamaha Prototype BB1200 bass, LesPaul, ovation acoustic etc... Keyboards: Yamaha KX-88 -- couldn't live without it. Roland MKS-20 -- Still the best piano around IMHO Yamaha TX-81Z -- it's OK. but I don't use it too often Oberheim OB-8 -- I wouldn't trade this for anything Drum Machine: Oberheim DX -- got a great deal on it and I like making my own chips. Sequencers: Yamaha QX-7 -- A gift. Not too useful except as a scratch pad. Mac SE/30 w/ Performer, though I may switch to Vision one of these days. Effects: Zoom 9002 -- for the Stick. Amazing sound in a tiny package. ART SGE multi effect -- just got it. So far, so good. Yamaha Rev-7 reverb -- usually used for the keys. Misc MIDI stuff -- homebuilt MIDI patch bays and switchers Influences: Kate Bush (Happy B-day Kate-a day late), Beatles, Rush, Pink Floyd, Emmett Chapman, King Crimson, Tuck Andress and just about anything else I happen to hear. I'm sure you noticed that there isn't a single Roland Sampler in there. Well, the reason I subscribed is so that I could get an idea of which to get. Right now I'm sort of waffleing between getting an S-50, an S-550 or a Korg T-3. I haven't decided if I want to do my own sampling (I have so little free time that, initially at least, I'd prefer to concentrate on making music, not doing my own sampling. I do like the clear sound of the T-3 and the effects, but I just haven't decided if I want to give up the flexibility of creating my own samples if I find the time. I can't decide between the S-50 and S-550 because I love the additional memory and outs of the S-550, but I'd love to have a sort of "all-in-one" keyuboard I could just lug around from place to place (carrying a KX-88 and a rack around is not much fun). I suppose my main first question is this: Are ther any upgrades out there (Roland or otherwise) that can bring the S-50 into line with the capabilities of the S-550? If not, maybe I'll try to find an old Oberheim XK and just lug that around with the S-550. What do you all think? Thankd for listening..... Tom tj@cs.ucla.edu From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Aug 7 21:31:46 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA13478; Tue, 7 Aug 90 21:31:44 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA28538; Tue, 7 Aug 90 21:38:10 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA15120; Tue, 7 Aug 90 21:38:33 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 7 Aug 90 21:37:12 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 7 Aug 90 21:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 7 Aug 90 21:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Xerox.COM by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 7 Aug 90 21:33:51 EDT Received: from Salvador.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 07 AUG 90 18:27:32 PDT Sender: gould!xerox.com!"Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B" Date: 7 Aug 90 18:27:20 PDT (Tuesday) Subject: Re: New guitar samples From: gould!xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ In-Reply-To: netcom!sjs%apple:COM:Xerox's message of 1-August-90 (Wednesday) 16:39:30 PDT Message-Id: <900807-182732-16368@Xerox> Status: RO RE: Guitar samples: Steve, Neil: Thanks for the ideas, especially Steve's about layering the guitar samples to get a huge grinding effect....I'll give it a try. Trying to recreate a guitar sound, even with my experience (20+ years), seems to be a bit tricky. My goal is to record a guitar sample so when you play it back you can get the "right effect" on a keyboard or sequencer. For example, I'm playing with that classic "muffled-power -fifth-chunka-chunka with occasional ringing octave harmonic" that's popular for the verses of metal-type tunes. The problem is that with a sample of a single stroke "chunk", quick repetition of note-ons kills the tail end of the sample too quickly to sound right; it needs some tight overlapping of several samples. A longer sample with multiple pick hits sounds very real, but the key-transposition speed change wrecks it, and anyway, you are stuck with whatever beats/min. that I played it at. Perhaps spreading multiple chunks on nearby half-step keys will allow for the required overlap? Losing some notes is OK for sequencing but how do you feel about this scheme for live performance? (anyway, metal guitarists only play chords in first position E-F-F#-G-A, right? 8-). Oh well, maybe just some straight power chords, initially... I'm interested in finding out if people want to chew up memory with 3-second chord decays. Any preference on the durations? RE: sending samples around.... Since more than one person is interested in my guitar samples, they shall be submitted to George (gfd%mtdca.att) for incorporation in the unofficial S-series SUG library. [ As I see it, George has sort of volunteered to be the Un-Official Sample Tweaker/Librarian and Sample Swap Meet Coordinator. Please correct me if necessary, George! ] George has generously offered that one can request samples from his library of Public Domain stuff by sending him some diskettes blank or otherwise; though he has promised to respond muy pronto and twofold, if the submitted disks are loaded up with interesting PD samples. (If you would like a copy of the posting describing his offer, I can forward it.) Regards, Don --------- DTycholis.lax1b@Xerox.com From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Wed Aug 8 15:25:04 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA18594; Wed, 8 Aug 90 15:25:03 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA08480; Wed, 8 Aug 90 15:31:25 EDT Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA20157; Wed, 8 Aug 90 15:31:49 -0400 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 8 Aug 90 14:43:36 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 8 Aug 90 14:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Aug 90 14:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att-in.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 8 Aug 90 13:45:50 EDT From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 8 Aug 1990 13:12 EDT Subject: S-library (repost) Status: RO S-groupies, I have already had a few responses from the first wave of interested parties. I thought I would repost the ground rules. Thus far, I have samples of the Kawai drum machine (R-100?), and the yamaha RX-5(?) submitted by group members. I am slowly adding Korg M3r synth and drums samples. I will be able to get my hands on an Alesis HR-16 and perhaps samples from the Roland R8. I may simply create library disks by instrument. I have about 25 snare sounds, 20 kicks, etc. I've sampled some percussive sounds from my Matrix 1000 and even stolen a few drum sounds from some CD's. (FBI please disregard this last statement). Anyway, nothing heinous here. I must admit that my initial performance has been abyssmally slow (my apologies to those parties involved). I am now in a better position to do this and would encourage more participation. As I get myself more organized, I will post a list of what is available. I just picked up a new DAT machine so I have a much better system to work with (now, if my mixer comes back from the shop, I'll really be in business!). So far, participants have courteously heeded my requests below. You have my undying appreciation. So, send in disks if you're interested and I will post a listing soon of what's available. Be good. George ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 8/8/90) OK, here we go. Some very basic rules: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. For every disk of sounds you send, you'll get the original back (tweaked if necessary and time permitting) plus 2 disks filled. That is, if you send me one sound disk and 2 additional empty FORMATTED disks, you get 3 full disks back. A note on what type of samples you would like would help me choose. Otherwise, I'll send out a "best of" series. Limit 10 disks total. 4. I had originally thought of limiting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. Make a note that I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (201) 957-6392 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 11. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate. There really is a difference! 12. Samples must not be used to barter for Iraqi petroleum. You may fire when ready: but read the above again before you do. I intend to have fun with this, but with over 20 members, it could get hairy and I don't have time to waste. It's really an easy deal and could get each of us some good stuff. Get into it... George -------------------- end of forwarded message -------------------- From gould!po8.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Aug 14 12:41:20 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA25777; Tue, 14 Aug 90 12:41:18 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA12448; Tue, 14 Aug 90 12:39:37 EDT Received: from PO8.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA15554; Tue, 14 Aug 90 12:40:29 -0400 Received: by po8.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 14 Aug 90 12:35:04 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 14 Aug 90 12:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Aug 90 12:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup; Tue, 14 Aug 90 12:30:54 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.900605) id AA14099; Tue, 14 Aug 90 12:30:51 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA04925; 14 Aug 90 11:53:53 EDT (Tue) To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup Subject: Samples via e-mail. (R/W Roland disk on the Mac) Message-Id: <9008141153.AA04925@david.UUCP> Date: 14 Aug 90 11:53:53 EDT (Tue) From: gould!cis.ohio-state.edu!david!david (David A. Roth) Status: RO I still can't believe that no one has written a utility to run on the Mac to read/write data for the Roland Samplers. Just for the purpose of reading the data from a disk and uuencoding it so it would be uudecoded at the other end and written back to Roland format on the Mac. I don't have any compilers for my Mac. Anyone have any ideas? Disk utilities that they have used to examine the Roland disk format? Thanks in advance. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _TT /| |~ >====ttt===< | O| |~ att!osu-cis!david!david {_|||_} \| O| or n8emr!david!david David A. Roth uunet!abvax!osu-cis!david!david From CompuServ: send >internet:david@david.uucp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gould!po8.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Aug 14 18:47:46 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA29088; Tue, 14 Aug 90 18:47:44 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA21198; Tue, 14 Aug 90 18:48:47 EDT Received: from PO8.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA28300; Tue, 14 Aug 90 18:46:55 -0400 Received: by po8.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 14 Aug 90 18:37:49 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 14 Aug 90 18:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 Aug 90 18:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Xerox.COM by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup; Tue, 14 Aug 90 18:34:22 EDT Received: from Salvador.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 14 AUG 90 15:13:42 PDT Sender: gould!xerox.com!"Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B" Date: 14 Aug 90 15:08:28 PDT (Tuesday) Subject: Re: Samples via e-mail. (R/W Roland disk on the Mac) From: gould!xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B To: cis.ohio-state.edu!david!david Cc: xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B, andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup In-Reply-To: david!david%cis.ohio-state:EDU:Xerox's message of 14-August-90 (Tuesday) 12:31:21 PDT Message-Id: <900814-151342-3916@Xerox> Status: RO David, I agree; there is a real void of PD and low-buck utility Mac software for the Roland gear. For the last few years, I've been tinkering with a program to read Tones from my S-550 into the Mac via Midi Sysex, display it, edit it, and write it back. I've lost the motivation to finish it off, as I never seem to have enought time to do it all and still live the American dream.... 8-). Actually, designing a user interface for an S-550 librarian has been a bother; if I had a better idea of how I should go about managing the Tones, parameters, and memory in the S-550, I might get going again on it. Feel free to offer suggestions! However, your idea is different, and sounds very useful as it would eliminate the trouble and expense of shipping floppies around. It shouldn't be difficult at all if someone can tell me how to access the Mac disk drive at the hardware level (i.e. read (and write) all the data on a track, seek to the next track, do it again). I would have to be able to get at every bit on the track, as I'm sure the Roland disk format is incomptible with the Mac's. Mac copy-protection busting software (e.g. Copy II Mac) can probably do this; darn, they forgot to include *the Source* for my $39.99! Apple highly discourages this sort of non-portable low-level programming, so I doubt that "Inside Mac" will help here. Does anyone know how this can be done? Regards, Don ----------- Don Tycholis DTycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.Com "It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues" -- Abraham Lincoln From gould!postmaster Wed Aug 15 10:20:39 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA00367; Wed, 15 Aug 90 10:20:38 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04127; Wed, 15 Aug 90 10:33:53 EDT Received: from PO7.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA13958; Wed, 15 Aug 90 10:32:28 -0400 Received: by po7.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 15 Aug 90 10:31:09 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 15 Aug 90 10:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Aug 90 10:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from encore.encore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 15 Aug 90 10:29:20 EDT Received: by encore.encore.com (5.64/25-eef) id AA13784; Wed, 15 Aug 90 10:29:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 90 10:29:00 -0400 From: Don Law Message-Id: <9008151429.AA13784@encore.encore.com> To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Re: Samples via e-mail. (R/W Roland disk on the Mac) Status: RO Don Tycholis writes: > It shouldn't be difficult at all if someone can tell me how > to access the Mac disk drive at the hardware level ... Well, I don't use a Mac, but here is my idea of how to get samples from the Roland onto the net (say for anonymous FTP): Dump the sample into a track on the sequencer with nothing else in the track. Save this track in MIDI standard format. [Optional step which applies for me - I work much better on my Unix machine than on the XT that runs the sequencer: Copy the file containing the dump to a computer on the internet.] Run a program that translates the MIDI track containing the sample (in a sysex, I assume) to some format suitable for distribution. This last step may not be necesary in some cases. I haven't actually tried this, but I plan to, including writing the translation program on a Unix system. This will eliminate the need to mess with reading a sample disk on a Mac disk drive. Comments? --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From gould!RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM!ESC Wed Aug 15 11:35:44 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA00703; Wed, 15 Aug 90 11:35:42 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA05917; Wed, 15 Aug 90 11:37:34 EDT Received: from RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA16362; Wed, 15 Aug 90 11:36:06 -0400 Received: from DJINN.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 488157; 15 Aug 90 11:03:05 EDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 90 11:04 EDT From: Eric S. Crawley Subject: Re: Samples via e-mail. (R/W Roland disk on the Mac) To: Don Law Cc: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ In-Reply-To: <9008151429.AA13784@encore.encore.com> Message-Id: <19900815150443.3.ESC@DJINN.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> Status: RO There are a few problems with the idea of recording samples as sequences and then sending the sequences around. The first is that there is no way to send sysex dumps from the panels of Roland Samplers. The only way to do sysex dumps in either direction is under program control. If someone wants to make some sequences that send the proper sysex bytes to send and receive the samples, then we might be able to do something. I don't recall the level of handshaking that is necessary to do this on Roland samplers. The next problem is that many sequencers cannot handle the volume of sysex data that would be involved and we could have problems with checksums failing. The proposal I made was to use some standard sample file format, say SoundDesigner and send these files around. The problem is that you can only send around Tones, in RolandSpeak, and you miss out on all the neat patch data. It would also require some sample editing software for all the users, unless someone wanted to hack together the code to do the job. I'm afraid we are stuck schelpping around disks until some of these problems can be solved. From gould!po7.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Wed Aug 15 13:40:54 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01524; Wed, 15 Aug 90 13:40:52 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA08845; Wed, 15 Aug 90 13:42:47 EDT Received: from PO7.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA21598; Wed, 15 Aug 90 13:41:13 -0400 Received: by po7.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 15 Aug 90 13:34:35 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 15 Aug 90 13:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Aug 90 13:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 15 Aug 90 13:01:43 EDT Received: from DJINN.SCRC.Symbolics.COM by RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM via CHAOS with CHAOS-MAIL id 488157; 15 Aug 90 11:03:05 EDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 90 11:04 EDT From: Eric S. Crawley Subject: Re: Samples via e-mail. (R/W Roland disk on the Mac) To: Don Law Cc: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ In-Reply-To: <9008151429.AA13784@encore.encore.com> Message-Id: <19900815150443.3.ESC@DJINN.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> Status: RO There are a few problems with the idea of recording samples as sequences and then sending the sequences around. The first is that there is no way to send sysex dumps from the panels of Roland Samplers. The only way to do sysex dumps in either direction is under program control. If someone wants to make some sequences that send the proper sysex bytes to send and receive the samples, then we might be able to do something. I don't recall the level of handshaking that is necessary to do this on Roland samplers. The next problem is that many sequencers cannot handle the volume of sysex data that would be involved and we could have problems with checksums failing. The proposal I made was to use some standard sample file format, say SoundDesigner and send these files around. The problem is that you can only send around Tones, in RolandSpeak, and you miss out on all the neat patch data. It would also require some sample editing software for all the users, unless someone wanted to hack together the code to do the job. I'm afraid we are stuck schelpping around disks until some of these problems can be solved. From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Fri Aug 17 20:37:32 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA14837; Fri, 17 Aug 90 20:37:31 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA14260; Fri, 17 Aug 90 20:39:22 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA13708; Fri, 17 Aug 90 20:38:15 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 17 Aug 90 20:37:08 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 17 Aug 90 20:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 17 Aug 90 20:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Xerox.COM by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Fri, 17 Aug 90 20:34:33 EDT Received: from Salvador.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 17 AUG 90 17:29:44 PDT Sender: gould!xerox.com!"Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B" Date: 17 Aug 90 17:29:30 PDT (Friday) Subject: Re: Looping the loop From: gould!xerox.com!"Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B" To: mtdca.att.com!gfd Cc: xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B, andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ In-Reply-To: gfd%mtdca.att:COM:Xerox's message of 14-August-90 (Tuesday) 12:06:41 PDT Message-Id: <900817-172944-9343@Xerox> Status: RO I vaguely remember reading several articles on looping in the back issues of Music Technology Magazine (now defunct and folded into Home Studio & Recording), Electronic Musician, and Keyboard. Many of these articles are now several years old (how time flies!), but the concepts apply as much today as they did on the Emulator II and Akai S900 (watchit, starting to sound like an old-timer all ready 8-). As I recall, there were lots of helpful hints; however, there is no particularly earth-shattering secret to getting "the perfect loop", except the authors of these articles generally seemed to think that cross-fading would often save a hopeless loop, and Sound Designer made the process easier. Summary: Cross-fading is supposed to even out the differences in amplitude and frequency content at the beginning and end points of the sample loop. Cross-fading is not an instant cure; you must mess around with different combinations of amplitude adjustments and various start/end points. And just because the sampler software can't find the perfect loop, don't give up, it might be there, just start getting serious about trying various techniques. ------------ Well, time for a "sidebar (mag talk)" on crossfades: I've never tried cross-fading since I don't have Alchemy or Sound Designer for my Mac. Here's how cross-fading *might* be done ( and perhaps someone can set me straight on how it really works ) ... 1.) copy the "tail" of a sample to another memory slot, e.g., I 21. Most likely this piece exhibits decreasing amplitude ( > ). 2.) copy the tail to another memory slot, e.g. I 22 . 3.) reverse I 22, so this piece exhibits increasing amplitude ( < ). 4.) mix I 22 with I 21, resulting in a somewhat "hourglass shaped" piece ( >< ) 5.) compress the piece so that the amplitude at all points is as large as the initial starting point, thus filling in the hourglass into a solid "log". (here I go into my overly technical talk again 8-). 6.) either mix the log piece with the original tail, at the original copy start point, or cut the orignal tail out and paste the new piece in. (Note: the built-in S-550 editor doesn't compress - I think it does reverse though - so I've never tried the above steps; amplitude smoothing is definitely required to make this work. There is a "smoothing" function built-in to the S-550, but I've only tried that a few times in a hurry, didn't like it, and so don't know what good it does.) If this is how cross-fading works, you might be able to play around with the "copy, tweak, and mix back in" notion, even if your sampler software *does* have cross-fade, as this approach might give you more control over what happens. ------------ In sampling, it seems to help if you run the input signal through a compressor to smooth out the amplitude variations at the tail of the sample, which seem to cause more annoying "clicks" than frequency variations. Perhaps you could also smooth frequency variations post-process by using the digital filtering features of the built-in sample editor. I just avoid looping, in general 8-). If looping is required, my approach is to try everything and listen to the result. This is easiest on the sampler where you can listen as you move the start/end points. Can't imagine doing in on a Mac Plus where you cannot hear the result of a change. There is a card (Digidesign?) for the Mac II family where you can hear the results of a sample tweak, but I don't think it is as "interactive" as the S-550 software. Regards, Don PS - my apologies for being S-550-centric but I'm not familiar with the differences between the various models of the S-series. Also sorry for over-hyphenating 8-). From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Mon Aug 20 10:13:50 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01019; Mon, 20 Aug 90 10:13:48 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA10685; Mon, 20 Aug 90 10:14:36 EDT Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA05902; Mon, 20 Aug 90 10:13:35 -0400 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 20 Aug 90 10:10:37 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 20 Aug 90 10:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Aug 90 10:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att-in.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Mon, 20 Aug 90 10:08:41 EDT From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 20 Aug 1990 9:20 EDT Subject: Loops, Basses and Coding Status: RO > George, speaking of bass samples.... Yes, send them along. > Also, as a project for my brother-in-law, I sampled several verses of M.C. > Hammer's "You Can't Touch Dis" CD and used the samples to create a 45 > < the Performer file which sequences the song?>> Why not?! If nothing else it'd be good for a laugh. > By the way, the stuff you sent me was great. I especially loved the > "stereo" Korg piano! I'm looking forward to the Alesis 16-B samples when > available. Maybe I was unclear. I'm getting HR-16, not 16B samples :-(. I'm going to work on the 16B as well but I don't have access to one yet. I'm getting to know one of the salesmen at Sam Ash pretty well and he's promised to get some R-8 samples in exchange for stuff from this group. He's especially into good cymbal sounds for some jazz. Anyone got anything good? Also, I just did some sampling of Korg M3r drum sounds that came out great. Some great gated sounds. Some are very 16B-ish. Mostly hot synthy sounds. Not much one realism but lot's of punch. More on the way. Great posting on crossfades, by the way. Incidentally, I have the Digidesign Sound Tools with Sound Designer 2. I never thought of that approach to looping. Great ideas. You must know by now that mostly I do close loops (ie one period of a complex wave) and then cheat and detune and LFO the shit of the samples:-). I'll fire up Sound Designer this week and try the method you describe. Also, I was leaning towards Think C for programming the Mac. I would like tools to create dialog boxes, etc so that also pointed me towards MacApp. ************ * NOTE: ************ I'm going to rearrange the organization of the drum sample library. Right now I have about 30 snares, 20 Kicks, 25 toms, 15 cymbals, and a whole-bunch-o' percussion (electronic and otherwise). What I plan to do is group all similar instruments on a single disk. So far, I've made a snare and a kick disk. I'll do the others by this week. As I finish, those wanting drum sounds should take this into account. If you want the full library, it'll probably be 6 or 7 disks. I'll let you know when I'm done. > Thanks much, > Don Peace george george From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Wed Aug 22 15:30:22 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA03349; Wed, 22 Aug 90 15:30:20 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA17849; Wed, 22 Aug 90 15:28:59 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA10622; Wed, 22 Aug 90 15:28:15 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 22 Aug 90 15:27:04 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 22 Aug 90 15:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Aug 90 15:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Xerox.COM by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 22 Aug 90 15:23:12 EDT Received: from Salvador.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 22 AUG 90 12:02:17 PDT Sender: gould!xerox.com!"Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B" Date: 22 Aug 90 11:57:25 PDT (Wednesday) Subject: ToneGenics Has Custom Mods for Roland S-50 Sampler From: gould!xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B To: ads.com!pdel Cc: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+, xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B, xerox.com!Synth.AllAreas, eddie.mit.edu!Rec-Music-Synth Message-Id: <900822-120217-1834@Xerox> Status: RO Thought y'all would be interested in knowing about this company, which sent me some information yesterday: Company: ToneGenics Corporation P.O. Box 8288 Van Nuys, Ca. 91409 Phone: (818) 786-1177 Products: S-50 +8 Output Mod & Updated S/W --> $350 S-50 SCSI Hard Disk Interface Mod --> $500 JC-120 Killer Distortion Mod --> $300 GM-70 (MIDI Guitar) All B-String Mod --> $150 GR-700 (Guitar Synth) MIDI In Mod --> $200 MT-32 Memory Backup Mod --> $95 D-50 Memory Expansion Mod --> $350 to 750 Of special interest to the S-Series Sampler distribution group are the S-50 mods. You can order the information by calling their number and leaving a message with your name and address. It took them about a week and a half to get it to me. Cheers, Don Disclaimer: I have absolutely no relationship with ToneGenics. I've never been a customer and probably will have no reason to be one, unless I inherit some of the above gear from my relatives. The S-Series Sampler support person at Roland referred me to them (when I queried the existence of PBC Technical Services, which he has never heard of), and I am merely sharing the information I recieved. -------- Don Tycholis DTycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.Com From gould!hplb.hpl.hp.com!mjp Fri Aug 24 04:51:07 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA00656; Fri, 24 Aug 90 04:51:06 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA15309; Fri, 24 Aug 90 04:49:53 EDT Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA19277; Fri, 24 Aug 90 04:49:16 -0400 Received: from prudence.hpl.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Fri, 24 Aug 90 09:46:00 +0100 Received: from localhost by prudence.hpl.hp.com with SMTP (15.11/15.6+ISC) id AA05749; Fri, 24 Aug 90 09:47:10 bst Message-Id: <9008240847.AA05749@prudence.hpl.hp.com> To: Don Law Subject: Re: Help : PC Sequencing In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Jun 90 13:37:12 EDT." <9006181737.AA11889@encore.encore.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 90 09:47:09 BST From: Mike Prudence Status: RO Don, Hi there ! I've been running through my mailbox following up some older messages, and guess what - it's your turn !! I've now been working pretty solidly with the Voyetra sequencer for a few months now, and been getting some halfway decent results with it. One thought that comes to mind is whether you'd be interested in receiving a sequence file - in the interests of transatlantic communication. I haven't been able to track down any other Voyetra users - the tide is against the program because it is copy protected, by the looks of it. I wrote a particularyly nasty latter to Voyetra informing them of my views on the matter, and those of quite a few other people, so maybe they will change their policy. Anyway, how is it going with your attempts to get CZ-1 patches from ucsd.edu down through the sequencer into your CZ-1 ?? Did you figure out the format ? Cheers, Yours curiously, Mike. From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Sat Aug 25 04:51:21 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA05100; Sat, 25 Aug 90 04:51:20 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA22372; Sat, 25 Aug 90 04:50:15 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA24363; Sat, 25 Aug 90 04:49:42 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sat, 25 Aug 90 04:49:06 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sat, 25 Aug 90 04:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 25 Aug 90 04:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub.ucsb.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sat, 25 Aug 90 04:47:22 EDT Received: from ivucsb.UUCP by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA10587 sendmail 4.0/UCSB-2.0-sun via UUCP Sat, 25 Aug 90 01:45:53 PDT for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Received: by ivucsb.sba.ca.us (smail2.5) id AA00291; 25 Aug 90 01:41:08 PDT (Sat) Subject: Disk sucker for s50 To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ (Roland Support Group) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 90 1:41:05 PDT Organization: QuickSilver Rallye Team, Santa Barbara, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Message-Id: <9008250141.AA00291@ivucsb.sba.ca.us> From: gould!ivucsb.sba.ca.us!todd (Todd Day) Status: RO I've written a quick and dirty program for my UNIXPC that reads all the data off an s50 disk. Luckily for me, the s50, the s550, the IBMPC, and the UNIXPC all use the same floppy disk controller. Note that I haven't refined the program to get at individual songs. Also note that the program will be easily transferable to the s550 and the IBMPC when done (will probably also run on the Amiga and Atari, but not Mac, as the Mac has strange drives). This is a totally blind hack. If someone has info on how the data is stored on the disk, things would go much, much faster... -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ucsbcsl!ivucsb!todd "I believed what I was told, I thought it was a good life, I thought I was happy. Then I found something that changed it all..." --- Anonymous, 2112 From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Sun Aug 26 22:53:17 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA09756; Sun, 26 Aug 90 22:53:15 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA13795; Sun, 26 Aug 90 22:51:49 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA06828; Sun, 26 Aug 90 22:51:52 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sun, 26 Aug 90 22:51:06 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 26 Aug 90 22:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 26 Aug 90 22:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub.ucsb.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sun, 26 Aug 90 22:49:43 EDT Received: from ivucsb.UUCP by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA02575 sendmail 4.0/UCSB-2.0-sun via UUCP Sun, 26 Aug 90 19:48:11 PDT for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Received: by ivucsb.sba.ca.us (smail2.5) id AA05318; 26 Aug 90 19:39:33 PDT (Sun) Subject: S50 disks + theory + lotsa fun stuff in the schematics To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ (Roland Support Group) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 90 19:39:30 PDT In-Reply-To: <0aq4RzW00WB885LlAw@andrew.cmu.edu>; from "Neil Anthony Herzinger" at Aug 26, 90 6:04 pm Organization: QuickSilver Rallye Team, Santa Barbara, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Message-Id: <9008261939.AA05318@ivucsb.sba.ca.us> From: gould!ivucsb.sba.ca.us!todd (Todd Day) Status: RO %Terrific work! It sounds like you've been pretty dedicated to working up the %program, it sounds great. The S50 format is fine with me (since I own one), %but keep in mind there is a program that can copy sounds from the S550 into %sounds for the S50. I have it if anyone is interested in a copy. Yeah, I have that too. Got it from the dealer. I'm going to ramble a bit here and explain how the disk stuff works on an S50. Since the wave data is 12bits internally, the S50 must convert eight bit disk data to the twelve bit format. It reads in data off the disk three bytes at a time. Here is some sample data in hex format. Byte 1 Byte 2 Byte 3 ------ ------ ------ $AB $CD $EF To convert to twelve bits, it does this. Word 1 Word 2 ------ ------ $ABC $EFD Strange, eh? Here are some memory calculations... 512 bytes/sector * 36 sectors/sound_bank * 2 words/3 bytes = 12288 words/sound_bank (12288 words/sound_bank) / (30 kwords/sec sampling) = 0.4096 secs/sound_bank So this is where they get the 0.4 second increments for sampling. Let's see, there are two big banks of sounds (A & B) consisting of 7.2 secs of sound each (at 30kHz). So, we have 14.4 total_secs / (0.4 secs/bank) = 36 sound_banks 36 sound_banks * 12288 words/sound_bank = 442368 words of sampling memory But, the schematics say we have two banks of 512*512 words, or 524288. So, we have been cheated out of 81920 words. At 30kHz, this is 2.73 seconds! There is no excuse for losing those 2.73 seconds of sampling time (although it does make getting data off of disk a lot easier). The wave gate array chip has access to its own SRAM, so it doesn't need to use this 12-bit memory for anything. An interesting project would be to add another half a meg of RAM to this beastie. It could be done because CAS2 and CAS3 are unused. I suppose those are used in the S550 to double the amount of sounds. However, I suppose the S50 software wouldn't even recognize the extra memory. Too bad. Hmmm... maybe the reason they can't get that extra 2.73 seconds is because they can't pack the data onto the disk. Let's see... Total space on a disk = 512 bytes/sector * 9 sectors/track * 80 tracks/head * 2 heads = 737280 bytes = 491520 12bit-words Waveform data starts at hex $12000, which is 73728 bytes. This just happens to take up the equivalent of 4 sound_banks. How many sound_banks on a disk? 737280 bytes/disk * (2 words/3 bytes) / (12288 words/sound_bank) = 40 sound_banks/disk Subtract the program and header info, and we have 36 sound_banks/disk. There you have it! We are missing out on 2.73 secs because they can't fit it on the disk. So, a question for you. How does the S550 end up storing twice as many sound banks as the S50? The must have some kind of weird compression. Either that, or they use high density floppies. But since the S50 can read S550 disks, that would imply that the S50 can read/write HD disks. So what gives? Hey, looking at the schematics, I see they have a drive select 1 on the bus! Anyone think it's possible to daisy chain another drive onto this sucker? Wow, that's quite a ways off the original topic... going back... %I have a Mac, so what damage does this 8 bit conversion thing do to the %samples? Total loss of dynamic range and high end. Sampling on Mac is done at 22 or 11 kHz. No problem converting to S50 at 30 kHz, just press a key lower in tone and the sound comes out at normal pitch. %Also, how are we going to get this program to users? Forgive me if %these are stupid questions, but I'm not the greatest hack. After I get it converted to the IBMPC, I'll release a compiled version and the source. I would appreciate it if the people using it would send me their changes so I can be a clearing house of the latest and greatest version. Now that I've hacked the way the S50 does things (totally without ANY outside info, no less! (brag, brag)), I'd like to keep standardized versions of any conversion programs. -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ucsbcsl!ivucsb!todd "I believed what I was told, I thought it was a good life, I thought I was happy. Then I found something that changed it all..." --- Anonymous, 2112 From gould!po7.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Aug 28 06:22:07 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA23313; Tue, 28 Aug 90 06:22:06 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA14912; Tue, 28 Aug 90 06:20:46 EDT Received: from PO7.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA14330; Tue, 28 Aug 90 06:20:53 -0400 Received: by po7.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 28 Aug 90 06:20:07 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 28 Aug 90 06:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 28 Aug 90 06:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 28 Aug 90 06:18:11 EDT Received: from mannen.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Aug 1990 12:17:45 +0200 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by mannen.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 28 Aug 1990 12:17:40 +0200 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1990 12:17:40 +0200 Message-Id: <9008281017.AAmannen00329@mannen.ifi.uio.no> To: ivucsb.sba.ca.us!todd Cc: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ In-Reply-To: Todd Day's message of Sun, 26 Aug 90 0:32:55 PDT <9008260032.AA03552@ivucsb.sba.ca.us> Subject: Re: Mac to S-50 conversion Status: RO Nice nice TodDay! If you could mail the source-code for the 8bit to S-50 disk conversion program, then maybe I could convert it to Atari. The disk format is almost the same for the Atari as standard PC 3.5" 750K disks. Also if you are looking for 8bit sounds ,terminator.cc.umich.edu is loaded with megabytes of 8bit samples up to 40K-sampling rate. Try ftp from atari/sound/sounds/ or msdos/sound/. Thomas 'loopmaster' Flemminginginginging From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Aug 28 13:13:18 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA24947; Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:13:17 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA27330; Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:11:58 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA29215; Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:11:32 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:03:15 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 28 Aug 90 12:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from encore.encore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 28 Aug 90 12:57:30 EDT Received: by encore.encore.com (5.64/25-eef) id AA28405; Tue, 28 Aug 90 12:57:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 12:57:30 -0400 From: Don Law Message-Id: <9008281657.AA28405@encore.encore.com> To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Re: Samples via e-mail. (R/W Roland disk on the Mac) Status: RO I haven't had much time to continue my S-10 => Voyetra/PC => Unix project, but I' throw out one piece of info that might help: Eric S. Crawley writes: > The first is that there is no way to send sysex dumps > from the panels of Roland Samplers. I don't think there is one docuemented, but on my S-10 there is a key combination that will do it. I think it is hold down "midi" and press "enter." FWIW (For What It's Worth). --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Aug 28 14:22:18 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA25537; Tue, 28 Aug 90 14:22:16 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA28717; Tue, 28 Aug 90 14:20:55 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA05092; Tue, 28 Aug 90 14:21:01 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for henrik@eddie.mit.edu; Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:39:33 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 28 Aug 90 13:37:32 EDT Received: from WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.64/1.25) id AA24531; Tue, 28 Aug 90 10:37:21 -0700 Received: by WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.61++/1.25) id AA16499; Tue, 28 Aug 90 10:37:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 90 10:37:11 -0700 From: gould!wlv.imsd.contel.com!pete%WLBR (Pete Lyall) Message-Id: <9008281737.AA16499@WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM> To: encore.com!dlaw, andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Re: Samples via e-mail. (R/W Roland disk on the Mac) Status: RO I believe the combiniation is something like F1 + MIDI, and then you can scroll backwards and forwards through ONE WAY/HANDSHAKE SEND/RECEIVE options. If you have the manual, it's in fine print in the memory map stuff. Pete From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Aug 30 11:49:42 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04635; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:49:41 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA05892; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:48:02 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA18396; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:48:46 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:46:53 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:42:18 EDT Received: from kjalar.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Aug 1990 17:42:07 +0200 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by kjalar.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 30 Aug 1990 17:42:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 1990 17:42:02 +0200 Message-Id: <9008301542.AAkjalar10764@kjalar.ifi.uio.no> To: sgi.com!jeff%jeff.esd Cc: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ In-Reply-To: Jeff Mock's message of Wed, 29 Aug 90 14:08:47 PDT <9008292108.AA00406@jeff.esd.sgi.com> Subject: Re: ftp site for samples? Status: RO Welcome Jeff, until now we have only been exchanging samples by surface mail. But since it's possible to read and write S-50 disks on a normal IBM-PC with a 3.5"drive we'll hopefully be able to send some kind of standard files via email. This will also work for Amiga's and Atari's (with PC emulator). Also this is a much cleaner and faster way of transfering samples than by MIDI. I've also discovered that the S-50 and W-30 (and proabably also the S-330) stores the samples on exactly the same disk sectors, so it will practically be enough with just one program. Thomas Flemming From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Aug 30 14:23:07 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA05206; Thu, 30 Aug 90 14:23:06 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA09380; Thu, 30 Aug 90 14:21:24 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA23158; Thu, 30 Aug 90 14:22:06 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 30 Aug 90 14:20:55 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 30 Aug 90 14:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Aug 90 14:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SGI.COM by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 30 Aug 90 14:19:11 EDT Received: from relay.sgi.com by SGI.COM via SMTP (5.64-bind 1.5+ida/900410.SGI) for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu id AA09846; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:18:54 -0700 Received: from gate-mars.sgi.com by relay.sgi.com (5.52/900423.SGI) for @sgi.sgi.com:gfd@mtdca.att.com id AA29082; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:18:46 PDT Received: from jeff.esd.sgi.com by mars.esd.sgi.com (5.52/900423.SGI) for @relay.sgi.com:sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu id AA18318; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:18:43 PDT Received: by jeff.esd.sgi.com (5.52/891101.SGI) for @mars.esd.sgi.com:gfd@mtdca.att.com id AA01076; Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:18:41 PDT Date: Thu, 30 Aug 90 11:18:41 PDT From: gould!sgi.com!jeff%jeff.esd.sgi.com (Jeff Mock) Message-Id: <9008301818.AA01076@jeff.esd.sgi.com> To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+, mtdca.att.com!gfd Subject: Re: ftp site for samples? Status: RO George and group, Roland, in their infinite wisdom, built the S-770 in such a way that it can read and convert S-550/W-30 sample disks, but it can't write them. The S-770 format is unique. So, I can go to the music store and copy the Roland catalog but I can't send you my collection of kitchen sounds. This is really anti-social on Roland's part. I have Alchemy on my Mac and I've nearly got a HyperMIDI stack to suck data out of the S-770, mostly so I can backup my sampler on tape. If someone figures out how to use a Mac to read and write Roland disks I'll be able to share data. Does anyone know how to solve this problem? jeff From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Aug 30 15:35:03 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA05451; Thu, 30 Aug 90 15:35:02 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA11055; Thu, 30 Aug 90 15:33:20 EDT Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA25316; Thu, 30 Aug 90 15:34:06 -0400 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 30 Aug 90 15:33:07 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 30 Aug 90 15:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 30 Aug 90 15:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att-in.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Thu, 30 Aug 90 15:31:19 EDT From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 30 Aug 1990 14:56 EDT Subject: Sample DAT! Status: RO I neglected to mention in my last re-re-repost of Library options that I have a DAT machine in my studio. For any who also use DAT and wish to transport samples dat way, that's fine with me. It's especially good since DAT samples at the higher sampling rate (and as my last posting said, I can tranfer samples very easily with my system at the higher sampling rate without any conversion (of course, you do lose 4 bits worth of resolution. Hey, it's an imperfect world :-)). Once again, of limited use to most, perhaps, but any way we can expand the user-created sound library is to the advantage of all particpants. be good, gfd From gould!postmaster Sun Sep 2 15:45:48 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA00239; Sun, 2 Sep 90 15:45:47 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA28095; Mon, 3 Sep 90 06:34:28 EDT Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA22797; Mon, 3 Sep 90 06:35:33 -0400 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 3 Sep 90 06:34:25 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 3 Sep 90 06:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 3 Sep 90 06:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 3 Sep 90 06:32:34 EDT Received: from haar.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Mon, 3 Sep 1990 12:32:26 +0200 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by haar.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 3 Sep 1990 12:32:24 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Sep 1990 12:32:24 +0200 Message-Id: <9009031032.AAhaar02689@haar.ifi.uio.no> To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Roland disk format Status: RO Todd, how's the disk-convert project going? Here's the table of data saved on disk from the W-30 owners manual, with my own notes on differences between W-30 and S-50. The table doesn't actually tell what information each byte contain, but can make it easier to find out wich order they appear. S-550,S-330 and W-30 disks are compatible so the differences between them should be minimal. Hope this can be any help. Thomas Flemming -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of data saved on an W-30 sound&song disk ...........System configuration.......... ...........Song data .................... sector parameter default ...........Patch-parameter...512 bytes on S-50, 256 on W-30....... 126 Patch name Space+0 Key mode Norm Key assign ROT Uni-detune 0 V-SW Tresh 64 V-Mix Ratio 0 Out-Level 127 Bend-Range 2 AT-Assign MOD At-Sense 0 Octave shift 0 Out assign Out 1 1st tone off 2nd tone off ..........Tone-parameter...128 bytes for S-50 and W-30.... 135 Tone-name 8xSpace+0 Orig.Tone not initalized (-- when deleted) Orig.key C5 P.Follow On P.Shift 0 Fine tune 0 P.LFO Depth 0 P.Bender On After touch On Out assign Out1 Out Level 127 Loop mode 1 shot Loop tune 0 [T1]-[T32] Start point [T1]-[T32] Loop point [T1]-[T32] End point [T33]-[T96] Start point This is W-30 ROM tones [T33]-[T96] Loop point [T33]-[T96] End point default 262143 LFO rate 88 LFO Sync On LFO mode Sin LFO Delay 0 LFO Offset 0 LFO Polarity + TVF Switch Off TVF cut off 127 TVF Resonance 0 TVF Key-follow 0 TVF LFO Depth 0 TVF EG depth 0 TVF L.curve 2 TVF EG Depth 0 TVF EG polarity + TVF Key rate 0 TVF Vel. Rate 0 TVF EG rate 1-8 127 TVF EG level1-2 127 TVF EG level3-8 0 TVF EG sus 2 TVF EG end 3 TVF Zoom 3 TVA LFO Depth. 0 TVA L.Curve 2 TVA Key rate 0 TVA Vel rate 0 TVA EG rate 1-8 127 TVA EG level1-2 127 TVA EG level3-8 0 TVA EG sus 2 TVA EG End 3 TVA zoom 3 ......Sample date....16 bytes each..same on S-50 and W-30......... 143 Tone-list or maybe some kind of directory Tone name 8xspace+0 Tone nr 0-1F Status 0 sample, 1 empty/available 5 unknown bytes 144-720 ...12bit waveform data............ From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Wed Sep 12 11:42:44 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04198; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:42:43 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA14046; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:45:18 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA16308; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:46:36 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:45:25 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att-in.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Wed, 12 Sep 90 11:43:02 EDT From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 12 Sep 1990 11:02 EDT Subject: Library Update and THE RULES! Status: RO Well, my friends, THe library has been steadily growing to good effect. I have just about finished re-org'ing the drum lib. So far, here's what we have: 1 disk kicks 1 disk snares 1 disk toms 1 disk congas, bongos, timbales 1 disk cymbals and probably 2 disks of assorted percussion. samples include M3r drums, RX-5, R100, Alesis HR 16, assorted samples from different records, and soon to be the complete R8 library. Considering that there is a considerable of disks for drums, I am going to do a couple of "best of" disks. One for more electronic "hot" sounds, one for "realistic, acoustic sounding" stuff. I'll send word when these are done. Also, I just did a really nice trumpet sample: mellow and fuzzy. A little detuning and it was a really nice "electronic sounding" horn. Get into it. Peace and Sample, gfd P.S. Don Tycholis seems to have fallen off the end of the earth. Has anyone heard from Don? P.S. Please read the guidelines below carefully before you send out disks. Response so far has been fairly good, but some mix-ups have occured. No fun. ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 9/12/90) OK, here we go. Some very basic rules: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. For every disk of sounds you send, you'll get the original back (tweaked if necessary and time permitting) plus 2 disks filled. That is, if you send me one sound disk and 2 additional empty FORMATTED disks, you get 3 full disks back. A note on what type of samples you would like would help me choose. Otherwise, I'll send out a "best of" series. Limit 10 disks total. 4. I had originally thought of limiting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. Make a note that I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (201) 957-6392 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 11. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate. There really is a difference! 12. Send me e-mail describing what and when you are sending me. 13. Include a list of sounds that you have already gotten from me if applicable. 14. Please refrain from sending samples that you have bought from someone else. Not that I'm afraid of getting sued, more so that it's not fair to them. Do your own sampling! 15. Samples can be sent on DAT tape. I have DAT and an easy way of getting DAT data down to the samplers. Of course, don't send 60 minutes worth of samples on DAT, but if there is a stereo sample that you think is exceptional, send it on DAT. All tapes will be returned intact unless otherwise requested. 16. Samples must not be used to barter for Iraqi petroleum. =============================================================================== Sample List as of 9/12/90 Supplier Instrument Comments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Tycholis Yamaha RX-5* drum machine (complete) Neil Kawai R-100* drum machine (complete) (Neil) R. Walter Alesis HR-16* drum machine gfd Oberheim Matrix 1000 analog synth (2 full disks). bass sounds, square wave lead, electronic percussion-type sounds (in a kit). Neil Roland D-50 pads (half a disk) gfd Korg M3r (1 disk; others soon) Bass, lead sound, Acoustic Bass layered with conga (very nice). gfd Korg M3r* drum sounds gfd Korg SG-1D sampled grand (1 disk) sampled by a friend. Very interesting stereo effect makes you seem like you're "inside" the piano. very nice. all Miscelaneous guitar shots, CD player fast forwarding, chordal vocal samples, DX rhodes sound, others. ********* new releases!! ************** D. Tycholis Assorted Basses bass-type samples from DX7, Steinberger T. Flemming stabs & effects some stereo, brass, orchestral shots. T. Flemming stabs & synths more stabs, korg synths, synth basses. T. Flemming assorted voices speech clips such as "Hit it!", "This is a Journey into Sound" and others. T. Flemming JB samples Assorted James Brown Owws, Yeahs and other-worldy noises. Includes some groove samples. D. Tycholis MC Hammer Samples of raw instrumentals of "U Can't Touch Dis" including some choice quotes. This package includes a sequence disk for the Mac Sequencer "performer" that strings the samples together for an S-550. gfd trumpet samples mellow trumpet sound multi-sample. Sampled in my studio. Also hard attack. *note: all drum samples mentioned above are contained in the drum library and are not maintained "by machine" but by instrument. Requests for "all the M3r drum samples" will be met with a helpless look. :-< ============================================================================ From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Wed Sep 12 14:14:08 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04722; Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:14:06 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA17442; Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:16:44 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA26097; Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:18:02 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:17:21 EDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Prosonus SampleNet Status: RO The following is reprinted from the pages of Septembers Keyboard magazine without any permission whatsoever... They're mad as hell and they ain't gonna take it any more. To battle against sample piracy and maintain a support network for registered customers-as well as to improve their own chances of survival-Prosomus has formed SampleNet, a cooperative organization that consists of Prosonus and its music dealers and customers. By becoming a full-fledged SampleNet member ($149.95), you gain access to the expanding Prodisk DDD library (a series of digitally recorded, processed, and transferred-thus DDD-ready to play samples and patches on 3.5" floppy disks formatted for all the popular samplers) and get two sets of Prodisk DDD sample disks, two special-edition Prodisds, the Prosonus Studio Reference Disc, a subscription to the ProSampler newsletter, discounts of up to 20% on all Prosonus products, and discounts of up to 40% on specific sampling hardware, such as blank 3.5" disks and 44Mv Syquest hard disk cartridges. Can't afford to be a full member? Perhaps you'd profer an Associate SampleNet Membership ($19.95), which provides full access to the Prodisk DDD library, two special-edition Prodisds, and a subscription to the ProSampler newsletter. Sounds pretty interesting. Anybody pursue it yet? The Associate price of $20 sounds like a great deal for full access to the disk library. I'm not sure what formats they are in, but they have to at least have S550 format. neil From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Sep 13 00:27:48 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01198; Thu, 13 Sep 90 00:27:47 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02448; Thu, 13 Sep 90 00:27:30 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA09890; Thu, 13 Sep 90 00:29:19 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 13 Sep 90 00:27:22 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 13 Sep 90 00:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 13 Sep 90 00:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 13 Sep 90 00:22:21 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.900912) id AA13784; Wed, 12 Sep 90 23:46:46 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA00574; 12 Sep 90 23:44:00 EDT (Wed) To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Hacker mode? Message-Id: <9009122343.AA00570@david.UUCP> Date: 12 Sep 90 23:43:57 EDT (Wed) From: gould!cis.ohio-state.edu!david!david (David A. Roth) Status: RO A friend of mine as a favor to me used DART(tm) on the Mac to dump the entire contents of the Roland S-330 System Disk 2 Multi Patch (as labeled) Ver. 1.00 to a single file (over 700k). I then used the UNIX 'strings' utility to look through some of it. I found what I expected which was most of the text you see appear on the monitor while using the Roland S-330. I did see a reference made to "Hacker mode" which I have never heard of before or have any idea what it is or if we can access it. The following is an abstract of the 'strings' output on that file: --------------------------------- 4e N4 Loading 68t f&5& f$1$ f$1$4 4f8t Hacker mode Save UT Go Utility Ver # disp Tone map >> Save UT-SYS &d&( --------------------------------- Anyone have any ideas what this Hacker mode stuff is all about? I don't recall seeing the work Hacker used anywhere on the S-330 or the manual. Perhaps I missed something. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _TT /| |~ >====ttt===< | O| |~ att!osu-cis!david!david {_|||_} \| O| or n8emr!david!david David A. Roth uunet!abvax!osu-cis!david!david From CompuServ: send >internet:david@david.uucp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Sep 18 21:11:11 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA19545; Tue, 18 Sep 90 21:11:08 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA14185; Tue, 18 Sep 90 21:25:49 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA00472; Tue, 18 Sep 90 21:26:20 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 18 Sep 90 21:24:49 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 18 Sep 90 21:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 18 Sep 90 21:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att-in.att.com (att.att.com) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Tue, 18 Sep 90 21:22:04 EDT From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 18 Sep 1990 16:29 EDT Subject: NO MORE RULES!!! Status: RO Well, The library is growing daily. So are the guidelines I have devised. I should mention that if anyone feels that any of my terms are inappropriate, drop me a line and we can discuss it. I think they're fair, but then I would, now wouldn't I?? :-) I will, however, refrain from sending out such large files from now on. I will simply drop a line now and then letting people know about exciting new additions to the library. The rule that I stress most in all of this is that you contact me before you put anything in the mail to me. When I know that someone will send me something, I will send a listing of the current library and the most revised version of the guidelines (I think GUIDLINES sounds much nicer than RULES, don't you? :-). Thus: I finally got the Alesis HR-16 samples from my friend. I am still working on the Roland R8 sounds: should happen within a couple of weeks. Also, as mentioned before, Don Tycholis is at present unable to send out messages from his machine. I spoke to him on the phone the other day and he assured me of existence. He also mentioned that someday, he will get around to doing those fabled guitar samples "if we beg". I might add that this is a perfect time to start a rumour that Don T. eats worms, since Don can't possibly defend himself... :-) Peace and Samples to all, George P.S. Neil, you may want to let me know whenever we add new members so that I can send them the sample sampler. From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Mon Sep 24 18:03:39 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA13519; Mon, 24 Sep 90 18:03:37 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA18528; Mon, 24 Sep 90 18:02:03 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA10368; Mon, 24 Sep 90 14:07:27 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 24 Sep 90 14:06:51 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 24 Sep 90 14:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 24 Sep 90 14:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 24 Sep 90 14:04:41 EDT Received: from WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.64/1.25) id AA12329; Mon, 24 Sep 90 11:04:10 -0700 Received: by WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.61++/1.25) id AA02159; Mon, 24 Sep 90 10:42:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 10:42:59 -0700 From: gould!wlv.imsd.contel.com!pete%WLBR (Pete Lyall) Message-Id: <9009241742.AA02159@WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM> To: cis.ohio-state.edu!david!david, cis.ohio-state.edu!osu-cis!att!twitch!midi, andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Re: ART MultiVerb causing loud hum in my S-330. Any suggestions? Status: RO Also - check on your 3 prong plugs. Ground loops are notorious hum producers, as are shielded (!) cables passing by power strips and those little DC tramsfromers. The best way to troubleshoot hum is to put on a set of headphones (run out of the mixer or amp) and start unplugging and disconnecting stuff until it becomes lesser or goes away. Hum can be the product of many problems. Also, don't underestimate the importance of GOOD cable - everywhere. I built all of my own using Belden and Switchcraft parts, but am now going to SoundFlex commercially produced cables ($ - ouch). Pete From gould!xerox.com!Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B Wed Oct 3 17:20:33 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA18395; Wed, 3 Oct 90 17:20:32 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA15112; Wed, 3 Oct 90 17:42:22 EDT Received: from alpha.Xerox.COM by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA25430; Wed, 3 Oct 90 17:43:01 -0400 Received: from LAX1B_Mail_Service_2.LAX1B.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16468>; Wed, 3 Oct 1990 14:43:19 PDT X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA007A1873242ABE Date: Wed, 3 Oct 1990 14:40:37 PDT Sender: gould!xerox.com!Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B From: gould!xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B Subject: Re: Samples via e-mail. (R/W Roland disk on the Mac) In-Reply-To: "ESC%riverside.scrc.symbolics:COM:Xerox's message of 15-August-90 (Wednesday) 16:12:56 PDT" To: riverside.scrc.symbolics.COM!ESC Cc: xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B, encore.COM!dlaw, andrew.cmu.EDU!sgroup+ Message-Id: <" 3-Oct-90 14:40:37 PDT".*.Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.com> Status: RO True, there's no way to initiate the tone/patch dump from the S-550. The idea of embedding the sysex bytes (almost sounds sexy doesn't it) seems feasible. I might try it, just as soon as I bail out the swamp under my house....8-). {10/3: course, now that it's all fixed, I'll have to find some ohter excuse not to get around to it :-)} Actually, there is some handshaking involved in the DT1 protocol (256 byte fragments), so it probably won't get you more than just the first 256 byte chunk of a tone. There is a faster, large transfer protocol (DTR?) which I haven't figured out yet that *might* work when sent by a sequencer, but then we get into the "over-running of the sequencer" problem you mentioned. Still, it's a thought....if only I had a rack-mounted phase-correcting Time Wrinkler(TM) so I could retreat into my computer lab/studio/closet for a few days, and emerge triumphantly with my latest gift to mankind, 2 minutes later 8-). It seems like we need a S-Series Sample Librarian program (no, relax, we aren't looking to replace you, george). Anyone know of such a product? Does Sound Designer or Alchemy Jr. (what's it really called?) provide this function? Don From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Sat Oct 6 15:34:56 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04767; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:34:55 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA03923; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:36:33 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA03694; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:35:02 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:34:12 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub.ucsb.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:08:15 EDT Received: from ivucsb.UUCP by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA29580 sendmail 4.0/UCSB-2.0-sun via UUCP Sat, 6 Oct 90 12:06:11 PDT for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Received: by ivucsb.sba.ca.us (smail2.5) id AA06064; 6 Oct 90 12:04:19 PDT (Sat) Subject: S50 <--> IBMPC converter program To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ (Roland Support Group) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 90 12:04:15 PDT Organization: QuickSilver Rallye Team, Santa Barbara, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Message-Id: <9010061204.AA06064@ivucsb.sba.ca.us> From: gould!ivucsb.sba.ca.us!todd (Todd Day) Status: RO Okay, I'm back from vacationing, back from rallying, most of my stuff is moved into my new place, and my job is finally getting under control... It's time to start up work on the S50 disk converter program. I want your ideas... what kind of conversion are you going to need? Do you want to be able to do both patch sets (the patch plus all of it's associated sounds)? Whole disks? Individual sounds? I could make an archiver out of it, too. It'd be able to dump all the title info about your disk and all of the patches and sounds on it into a generic ASCII file so you could put it into some database program on your PC. I'm going to make it work on my UNIXPC first, and then I'll take it to work and port it using TurboC on a IBMPC type machine. So tell me, what do you want to be able to do with it? BTW, the reason I'm doing this is that I want to be able to take the file dump, convert it to some uuencoded format, and then send the samples via email. That reminds me... I want to come up with some format other than uuencode that will take advantage of lower case characters... any know of any caveats vis a vi sending ASCII over the net? -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ucsbcsl!ivucsb!todd It's not a matter of winning or losing... It's how much tread you scrub off your tires! From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Sat Oct 6 15:36:24 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04780; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:36:23 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA03933; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:38:01 EDT Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA03711; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:36:35 -0400 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:36:04 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sat, 6 Oct 90 15:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 6 Oct 90 14:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sat, 6 Oct 90 14:33:17 EDT Received: from SAL.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17606; Sat, 6 Oct 90 14:33:13 EDT From: gould!athena.mit.edu!paul Received: by sal.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA17473; Sat, 6 Oct 90 14:33:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Oct 90 14:33:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9010061833.AA17473@sal.MIT.EDU> To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Re: Roland Samplers and Floppy Disk Woes.... Status: RO The same happened to me with several disks, most of them two years old, most of them my most heavily-used disks. I bought a $5 head cleaner, used it, and used Load Patch and Load Tone to stubbornly read the missing data off the bad tracks. I was able to read all data from the half dozen bad disks. I then reformatted the disks and rewrote the data onto them, which solved the problem short-term until I could steal some more floppies from work and copy the questionable disks onto them. Since using the cleaning disks, I have not had this problem. I posted this to rec.music.something last year and was told that 1) You should never clean a disk drive ever, and it was nmy fault for not keeping a pristine environment 2) cleaning disks are bad for your disk drive, and only people who really know what they're doing can clean the disk by dissembling it. I chose to disbelieve both replies. I have used my disk drive quite extensively since then with no problems. Incidentally, I just received some wild Norwegian sample disks (Thank you Mr Flemming!) and used the belligerent-reread technique to get the sounds off a couple of travel-damaged sectors. -Paul From gould!hub.ucsb.edu!ivucsb!todd Tue Oct 9 10:49:51 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA15293; Tue, 9 Oct 90 10:49:50 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04837; Tue, 9 Oct 90 10:51:35 EDT Received: from hub.ucsb.edu by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA09968; Tue, 9 Oct 90 02:49:41 -0400 Received: from ivucsb.UUCP by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA13874 sendmail 4.0/UCSB-2.0-sun via UUCP Mon, 8 Oct 90 23:47:37 PDT for dlaw@encore.com Received: by ivucsb.sba.ca.us (smail2.5) id AA11973; 8 Oct 90 23:33:35 PDT (Mon) Subject: Re: S50 <--> IBMPC converter program To: encore.com!dlaw (Don Law) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 23:33:32 PDT In-Reply-To: <9010081336.AA15211@encore.encore.com>; from "Don Law" at Oct 8, 90 9:36 am Organization: QuickSilver Rallye Team, Santa Barbara, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Message-Id: <9010082333.AA11973@ivucsb.sba.ca.us> From: gould!ivucsb.sba.ca.us!todd (Todd Day) Status: RO %What I'd like to do is take samples from the %net and convert them to a dump I can send to the S-10 in a sysex Aha! So if I provided you with the format of the binary dump, you could do the sysex thing? -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ucsbcsl!ivucsb!todd It's not a matter of winning or losing... It's how much tread you scrub off your tires! From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Oct 9 10:51:44 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA15329; Tue, 9 Oct 90 10:51:43 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04981; Tue, 9 Oct 90 10:53:22 EDT Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA04378; Mon, 8 Oct 90 21:51:59 -0400 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 8 Oct 90 21:51:28 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 8 Oct 90 21:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Oct 90 21:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 8 Oct 90 21:48:48 EDT Received: from LAX1B_Mail_Service_5.LAX1B.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16137>; Mon, 8 Oct 1990 18:49:16 PDT X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA00CA5D01902ACF Date: Mon, 8 Oct 1990 18:48:09 PDT From: gould!xerox.com!Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B Subject: Re: Roland Samplers and Floppy Disk Woes.... In-Reply-To: "paul@athena.mit:edu:Xerox's message of 6-October-90 (Saturday) 11:33:05 PDT" To: athena.mit.edu!paul Cc: xerox.com!Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B, andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Message-Id: <" 8-Oct-90 18:48:09 PDT".*.Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.com> Status: RO Well, guess I'll try a floppy disk cleaner this weekend, and see if it helps recover the disks. I had waffled on this earlier, since the errors are "solid" and repeatable only on specific disks. A dirty head *should * give semi-random errors, or errors on most all the disks, no? But it can't hurt to clean them, right (uh oh, here come the flames!?)...WARNING: hit "next" if you don't want to hear my opinion on head cleaning! I too have heard all the arguments pro and con. Yes, it probably is best to go the "professional cleaning approach" which is to disassemble the gear, get in to the disk head directly, swab it gently with head cleaning fluid and a cotton Q-tip, etc. ( If it is interesting to anyone, I was once a professional disk head cleaner, for Control Data Corporation Customer Engineering: factory trained on CDC Model 844 and 819 HD's.) "Doing it right" works, if you know what you're doing. It's also a pain, usually. So, most people would probably rather take their chances on the head cleaning kit than to risk doing some real ugly damage by opening up and digging into their expensive toys with metal tools; this is a perfectly rational decision, one that I've made several times :-) The head cleaning kits (the wet kind) have worked for me on several types of systems without any adverse effects. So maybe both sides are right? IMHO, the key is to use a "quality kit" (i.e. not abrasive), make sure the floppy-cleaning material is wet enough, and stop cleaning before the material gets dry. If a light wet cleaning won't do it, you've got a scratched or marred head surface which requires "burnishing" with a special polishing material, and you've got to pull the head out of the drive to do this. On the el-cheapo floppy drives we use today, this means trash-can the drive and go buy a new one. Thanks for the prod, and thanks for the "Load Patch and Load Tone- RIP the face off the floppy" read tip. I'll give it a go with the cleaner. If that doesn't work, I'll "do it right` :-)... Don From gould!encore!dlaw Tue Oct 9 11:16:56 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA15475; Tue, 9 Oct 90 11:16:55 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA06041; Tue, 9 Oct 90 11:18:42 EDT Received: by encore.encore.com (5.64/25-eef) id AA08580; Tue, 9 Oct 90 11:17:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 11:17:25 -0400 From: Don Law Message-Id: <9010091517.AA08580@encore.encore.com> To: ivucsb.sba.ca.us!todd Subject: Re: S50 <--> IBMPC converter program Cc: dlaw Status: RO > Aha! So if I provided you with the format of the binary dump, > you could do the sysex thing? That is my plan. I'm have the sysex dump format for my S-10, and I either have or can get the format for standard MIDI tracks. So what I plan to do is write a program to take the s-group binary files (either from the net or from the 3.5" disks) and convert it to a MIDI track containing the needed sysex (the "transformation" below). Here is the overall path: network my unix box IBMPC here at work (your binary ===> (C program does ===> (transfer to floppy ===> file) transformation here) using PC-NFS). IBMPC at home (send sysex from ===> Roland S-10 MIDI track with Cakewalk) --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Oct 11 10:33:34 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA07773; Thu, 11 Oct 90 10:33:32 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA12751; Thu, 11 Oct 90 10:34:51 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA25531; Thu, 11 Oct 90 10:33:44 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 11 Oct 90 10:33:16 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 11 Oct 90 10:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 11 Oct 90 10:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Thu, 11 Oct 90 10:24:30 EDT From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 11 Oct 1990 9:30 EDT Subject: S-330 format Status: RO > Someone sent me a disk dump of the S-330 format. I examined > it tonight and found a few interesting things. > > It appears from the system code that the S-330 can read and > write S-50 disks. Yes, the actual code to do so resides on the S-330 utilities disk. > It also appears that it has a mouse and one can enter some > "Hacker Mode". This has been discussed. I've never seen it, but rumor has it that it exists. > The S-330 is a twelve bit sampler with 16 bit output. I've never been too sure, but that sounds right. I've seen literature calling it both 12-bit and 16-bit, so your description sounds like it has merit. > Any of the above true? You're doing well so far, dude. > Anyway, the directory format and data format are VERY similar > to the S-50 format. However, they have different offsets > (does the S-330 use those damned 2.5" disks?). So, it seems > that > A) there won't be any problem just reading and > writing S-50 disks, so why bother doing a > port to the S-330. > B) if I do decide to port, it won't be all that > hard, anyway. I think what I'll do is write > the code in such a manner as to make offsets > variable and therefore easily changed for > the S-330. > > I'm tempted to do just A, because that way we won't have > a proliferation of different formats. However, I'm concerned > that there might be something in the S-330 and S-550 that > will get lost in the translation to the S-50. Can anyone > confirm this? The S-330 has additional filtering data that the S-50 doesn't have. This might make up for the difference in offsets. Also, the S-330 has 8 more available patch memories per disk. This would correspond to additional patch parameters, splits, etc. The S-550 is similar thought there may be some differences. gfd From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Oct 11 15:01:28 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA09467; Thu, 11 Oct 90 15:01:26 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA19205; Thu, 11 Oct 90 15:02:47 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA05992; Thu, 11 Oct 90 15:01:43 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 11 Oct 90 15:00:26 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 11 Oct 90 15:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 11 Oct 90 14:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 11 Oct 90 14:57:22 EDT Received: from skakke.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Oct 1990 19:55:20 +0100 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by skakke.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 11 Oct 1990 19:55:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 1990 19:55:18 +0100 Message-Id: <9010111855.AAskakke28267@skakke.ifi.uio.no> To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ (Roland Support Group) Subject: Flemming's lib. list Status: RO Here's my updatet list of self-sampled disks: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stabs & Synths 1: Stereo orchestral hits and effects,synths. Taken from CD's and other various sources. Stabs & Synths 2: Mono hits, stabs & analog Korg synths. These are not presets! Percussion Library: Assorted 909 and 808 with dope bass, funky drummer loop and other percussive sounds. Bolero: Do it yourself kit. Ravel's Bolero loop'ed and other orchestral samples. James Brown: I haven't sampled this myself. Contains the usual sex machine quotes, and the oooh and yeah often used as percussion. Vocal samples: A selection of old vocal samples like this is journey into... and keep this frequence clear. Mainly taken from records. Alesis 16B 1: Tones 1-30 from the drum-machine, all the snares ,bassdrums and toms. Alesis 16B 2: Tones 31-47, long cymbal-samples and the most unusal sounds. Also some extra samples to fill up the disk. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since I have a W-30, I can handle all formats. If you're not living in europe, then you can send your request to George. I'm always interested in swapping disk with interesting sounds. Thomas Flemming Gydasvei 74 . . 1413 TARNASEN NORWAY From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Sat Oct 13 13:43:10 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA16051; Sat, 13 Oct 90 13:43:09 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA06346; Sat, 13 Oct 90 13:43:13 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA07246; Sat, 13 Oct 90 13:43:48 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sat, 13 Oct 90 13:42:23 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sat, 13 Oct 90 13:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 13 Oct 90 13:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sat, 13 Oct 90 13:39:59 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.900920) id AA13783; Sat, 13 Oct 90 13:38:52 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA01499; 13 Oct 90 13:37:54 EDT (Sat) To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Forwarded mail to sgroup Message-Id: <9010131337.AA01495@david.UUCP> Date: 13 Oct 90 13:37:48 EDT (Sat) From: gould!cis.ohio-state.edu!david!david (David A. Roth) Status: RO From uucp Sat Oct 13 06:34 EDT 1990 From abvax!uunet!mailrus!umich!vela!swood Sat Oct 13 06:34:30 1990 remote from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA00847; 13 Oct 90 06:34:30 EDT (Sat) Received: by cis.ohio-state.edu (smail2.5) id AA28602; 13 Oct 90 06:18:34 EDT (Sat) Received: by abvax.icd.ab.com (5.59/1.17l); id AA06056; Sat, 13 Oct 90 05:23:06 EDT Received: from mailrus.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA22303; Sat, 13 Oct 90 05:10:02 -0400 Received: by mailrus.cc.umich.edu (5.61/1123-1.0) id AA17928; Sat, 13 Oct 90 02:14:35 -0400 Received: by umich.edu (5.61/1123-1.0) id AA05480; Thu, 4 Oct 90 16:31:16 -0400 From: abvax!uunet!mailrus!umich!vela!swood (Scott Wood - EVENSONG) Message-Id: <9010042026.AA19731@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: umich!vela.acs.oakland.edu!swood (Scott Wood (vela account)), umich!hpmcpjh.mcm.hp.com!patrick (Patrick J. Hawke), umich!x102c.ess.harris.com!jlee (John Lee), umich!prl.philips.co.uk!davidw (David Walker), umich!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner (Jeff Weiner), umich!daydreams.sun.com!bfrench (Bill French), umich!ux5.lbl.gov!wayneh (Wayne Hurlbert), umich!sgi.com!shiba%riffnique.csd (Richard Shiba), uiucdcs!convex!stager (Gary Stager), osu-cis!david!david (David A. Roth), medsys!hal (Hal Dougherty), umich!hpcsd02.col.hp.com!don (Don Allison), umich!ifi.uio.no!thomasfl (Thomas Flemming), umich!convex1.convex.com!rosenkra (William Rosencranz), umich!arkell.cs.ubc.ca!mgobbi (Mike Gobbi), umich!DG-RTP.DG.COM!kan (Victor Kan), umich!dsv.su.se!fk (Fredrick Kilander), lotus!voyager.lotus.com!rmurtha (Rob Murtha), umich!gsbsun.uchicago.edu!ron (Ronald J. Rangel), umich!gorby.src.honeywell.com!kooyman (Jerome Kooyman) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 90 16:26:09 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL6] Status: RO From: Thomas Flemming Subject: stug To: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu Date: Thu, 4 Oct 1990 20:56:13 +0100 Wood, isn't there a way to avoid those long address list in the begining of each mail? Here's something about me: Equipment: 1040 ST, Monchrome monitor Roland W-30 workstation At the time I'm a student a the University of Oslo (Norway). I'm working on a program to read and write sampler-disk dircetly with the ST's internal drive. If I succeed maybe I could for instance convert S-900 samples to Roland S-50/550/330 with the Atari. If anyone else have got the same idea please give me a note. Thomas Flemming From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Sun Oct 14 11:18:18 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA18295; Sun, 14 Oct 90 11:18:17 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA28235; Sun, 14 Oct 90 11:18:21 EDT Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA12723; Sun, 14 Oct 90 11:19:03 -0400 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sun, 14 Oct 90 11:18:45 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 14 Oct 90 11:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Oct 90 11:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sun, 14 Oct 90 11:16:29 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.900920) id AA04039; Sun, 14 Oct 90 11:15:26 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA03355; 14 Oct 90 11:15:15 EDT (Sun) To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Message-Id: <9010141115.AA03351@david.UUCP> Date: 14 Oct 90 11:15:12 EDT (Sun) From: gould!cis.ohio-state.edu!david!david (David A. Roth) Status: RO Path: david!n8emr!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!uunet!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!hoss!fergvax!252u3129 From: 252u3129@fergvax.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,rec.music.classical,alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.country.western Subject: Digitized Sound FTP Site Summary: Submissions Wanted Message-ID: <1990Oct11.071149.17858@hoss.unl.edu> Date: 11 Oct 90 07:11:49 GMT Sender: news@hoss.unl.edu (Network News Administer) Organization: Univ. of Nebr. Lines: 16 Xref: david rec.music.newage:1683 rec.music.classical:156 alt.rock-n-roll:348 Anyone out there with sound digitizers? I am co-moderating an FTP site devoted to digital samples (kinda like graphic GIFs only you play them back to listen to instead of look at), and we have started a section devoted to samples of actual songs. If you have any sounds to submit, please send your uuencoded samples (in the usual macintosh format which can be played on many platforms) to me. If you would just like to download what we do have, FTP over to ccb.ucsf.eud (128.218.1.13) and look in the Pub/Sound_list/Song directory. So far we only have a few backwards messages unbackwarded and a few hard-rock samples, so we are especially looking for alternative, classical, country-western, and non-hard rock samples. _____________________________________________________________________________ * Mike Gleason 252u3129@fergvax.unl.edu * "Don't you f*ckin' look at me!" -- D. Hopper cosc006@unlcdc2.unl.edu From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Wed Oct 17 12:42:50 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA15300; Wed, 17 Oct 90 12:42:49 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA06054; Wed, 17 Oct 90 13:13:14 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA07553; Wed, 17 Oct 90 13:14:43 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 17 Oct 90 13:10:48 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 17 Oct 90 13:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 17 Oct 90 13:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 17 Oct 90 13:06:13 EDT Received: from LAX1B_Mail_Service_5.LAX1B.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16295>; Wed, 17 Oct 1990 10:05:17 PDT X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA00CA5D02602ACF Date: Wed, 17 Oct 1990 10:04:22 PDT Sender: gould!xerox.com!Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B From: gould!xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B Subject: Re: Flemming's Lib In-Reply-To: "sjs@btr:com:Xerox's message of 15-October-90 (Monday) 14:52:21 PDT" To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Cc: btr.com!sjs Message-Id: <"17-Oct-90 10:04:22 PDT".*.Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.com> Status: RO I am forwarding this to the Sgroup as it was sent directly to me ( by accident, I assume). My personal response follows.... ------------------------------- I need some ideas of stuff to sample so that I can trade for the HR-16 samples and the R-8 samples and some of the other stuff I have been reading about. But what can I sample that would be of interest. I have an M1 and a DW-8000. Would synth samples be good for you all. How about some MIDI stack samples? later sjs@btr.com --------------------------------- M1, DW-8000, or stacked multisamples would be great! my preference is for those timbres which are somewhat unique or characteristic of a particular synth. When there is a choice of sounds (due to velocity-response, etc.), slightly agressive sounds are preferable, as they can be toned down (as desired) with post-processing. It's tough to liven up a too-mellow/subtle sample without adding noise. Thanks in advance for contributing to the sample library, Don From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Wed Oct 17 15:29:23 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA16990; Wed, 17 Oct 90 15:29:21 EDT Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA10081; Wed, 17 Oct 90 15:59:46 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA14053; Wed, 17 Oct 90 16:01:16 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 17 Oct 90 15:57:56 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 17 Oct 90 15:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 17 Oct 90 15:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Wed, 17 Oct 90 15:55:54 EDT From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 17 Oct 1990 14:38 EDT Subject: Sample idea sampler Status: RO > I need some ideas of stuff to sample so that I can trade for the HR-16 > samples and the R-8 samples and some of the other stuff I have been reading > about. But what can I sample that would be of interest. I have an M1 and a > DW-8000. Would synth samples be good for you all. How about some MIDI stack > samples? > > later > > sjs@btr.com > > --------------------------------- > > M1, DW-8000, or stacked multisamples would be great! my preference is for > those timbres which are somewhat unique or characteristic of a particular > synth. Here they are: 10 quick sampling ideas (beyond getting the M1 and DW-8000 sounds (I personally would love some of the classic DW-8000 brass, strings and clav-type sounds)) 1. Take a synth sound that will sustain. Jam the sustain pedal to get an infinite sound. Put your sampler 3 rooms away and run a garden hose from the speaker to the sampler room (where there is a mic). SAMPLE IT. 2. Get a coffee can (empty, half-full, half full with water, jello) close mic it, send output to a chorus, delay or gated reverb. Sample outout of effect. 3. Get an old, old record player (with an indestructible stylus). Take output and put it into a guitar amp. Lift the needle 3 inches. DROP. Let bounce, scrape, kneed, cool on rack and add herbs. mic output of guitar amp. Works well with chipmunk records slowed down so you can tell that Alvin is played by Merv Griffin. SAMPLE IT. 4. Turn on your television to a basketball game. mic the TV speaker and attempt to isolate sneaker noise on gym floor. Put it through any effect you may have. Nike's seem to squeak a lot. 5. Play as many octaves and 5th of a single tone on both of your synths. Have both sustain indefinitely. Put the output speaker (good, or cheap) in your garage. Turn it up loud. Place the mic 10 feet from the speaker in a metal pail. SAMPLE IT. 6. Have a friend (preferably naked) in the next room. Put a mic very close the adjoining wall and have your friend hit the wall with various parts of his/her body. SAMPLE IT. 7. Borrow a portable cassette (a poor quality micro-cassette could be ideal) and close mic any sustained or percussive sound (motor running, fog horn, someone taking a hammer to a dead fish, etc). SAMPLE IT. 8. Take a synth put and put it through a long reverb. Set the reverb so that its output is 100% effect (ie no original signal). Sample that. Short and long. 9. Take a wooden ruler, place it on a desk so that a good 8 inches hang off the edge, apply pressure downward on the part over the desk and with the other hand, pluck the other end (note: this was done with great effect on one of the Art of Noise albums. None the worse for already having been done). 10. Bring your sampler to work. Put a mic near the top of your desk. Pound on your desk with your fist until someone comes in and screams. Sample the fist AND the screams. 11. You get the idea. Zillions of sounds out there to be found, taken and used. Never discount the idea of using outboard effects as part of the sample itself. Sample in Peace, gfd From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Wed Oct 31 10:34:48 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA19006; Wed, 31 Oct 90 10:34:45 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01818; Wed, 31 Oct 90 10:35:45 EST Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA13497; Wed, 31 Oct 90 10:35:56 -0500 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 31 Oct 90 10:36:14 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 31 Oct 90 10:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 31 Oct 90 10:33:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Wed, 31 Oct 90 10:33:10 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 31 Oct 1990 9:14 EST Subject: Sampling with the S-330 Status: RO > I'm a neophyte S-330 user... I did try to get a bit of sampling started, but > found that the sound seemed to be mapped to all keys (and all channels?).. > > How do I map the tone/patch so that I can have several channels and > key ranges with separate tones? The 330 manual isn't all that helpful... OK, for the S-330 or S-50, there are 32 slots for "tones". A "patch" is a collection of tones (or 1 tone) and some additional parameters (tuning, volume, bend range, etc). If you wish to map more than 1 tone to a patch, you must enter the "split" function in the "edit" menu. Ordinarily, when I multi-sample an instrument (ie sample from different registers of the same sound) I will take 3 or 4 samples, usually about an octave and a half apart, depending on the tone. Let's say that I sampled 3 tones into slots 11, 12, 13. I go into the split menu, get a midi keyboard set up select to tone I want (I'll start with the lowest tone, 11). I then change the tone function from "info" to "1st tone" or "1st and 2nd tone" (doesn't matter unless I am doing a crossfade or vel-switch). I then play on the midi keyboard the range of notes that this tone will be mapped to (let's say the lowest 2 octaves). I then change the selected tone (1st tone) to tone 12, play the middle 2 octaves, etc. Pretty straight forward. Also, something to keep in mind, when you're sampling, only have one midi channel active in play mode. unbfortunately with uninitialized patches, tone 11 is the default tone, so it will sound on all those patches... Also, anyone on this list who uses the samplers without a monitor, I can't emphasize enough how useful it is. Get a cheapo monochrome monitor and plug it in. I think that the S-330 might even require one (?). A mouse I can do without, a monitor: no f***in' way! Hope this helps. gfd From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Nov 1 10:43:39 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA23979; Thu, 1 Nov 90 10:43:37 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA18192; Thu, 1 Nov 90 10:44:11 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA01805; Thu, 1 Nov 90 10:44:44 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for henrik@eddie.mit.edu; Thu, 1 Nov 90 10:08:31 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 1 Nov 90 10:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 1 Nov 90 10:02:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com (ATT-IN.ATT.COM) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Thu, 1 Nov 90 10:02:12 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 1 Nov 1990 9:23 EST Subject: Meese Appeal Status: RO Or is that Piece Meal? First an announcement: Thomas Flemming has sent in the Alesis HR16B drum machine samples to the lib. Included there are samples from the classic Roland TR808 and TR909 (if memory serves). I haven't finished EQ'ing etc (although they haven't needed much (nice job Thomas!)) yet but will by the weekend. Let me also remind you that the samples you send in don't have to be the worlds best. I'm not rating them. I will try to imrove on those that I can. But don't feel that your efforts are not "good enough". It's only your effort itself that motivates me to keep the lib moving. I've been pretty lame of late in the sampling dept. But that'll change soon. Those who wish for a current listing of the library, send me mail and I'll deal with it off line. If I get enough requests, I'll just post it. >I will be putting together some disks of DW-8000 and M1 sounds, as well as some > MIDI stacks of the both along with an MKS-20. I also am learning how to use > Turbosynth, and will be making some of those samples available. I'm > still trying to get the hang of looping, but if anyone wants to trade me > for un-looped samples, lets do it. I really want to expand my library. Samples don't have to be looped to go into the lib... > As I learn the art of looping, I will have some looped stuff available. Also, > if you have any samples that would make good partials for Turbosynth to build > upon, send them to me and I will try to create some cool renditions from the > original samples. Perhaps you should give examples of what sounds would typically work well with TurboSynth. Also what TurboSynth can do. I'm sure that I'm not the only one that would be interested in hearing about it. gfd From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Fri Nov 2 10:56:47 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA29499; Fri, 2 Nov 90 10:56:46 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02242; Fri, 2 Nov 90 10:57:22 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA10999; Fri, 2 Nov 90 10:57:59 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 2 Nov 90 10:54:22 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 2 Nov 90 10:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Nov 90 10:51:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Fri, 2 Nov 90 10:50:51 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 2 Nov 1990 10:19 EST Subject: Sam Ash blowing out S-330 Status: RO Just to let you know that Sam Ash is blowing out the Roland S-330 sampler for $1095 right now. A fine machine as you all know. Free enlistment in the Sgroup for all takers :-)... gfd From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Fri Nov 2 12:56:32 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA00281; Fri, 2 Nov 90 12:56:31 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04443; Fri, 2 Nov 90 12:57:07 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA15625; Fri, 2 Nov 90 12:57:46 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 2 Nov 90 12:53:03 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 2 Nov 90 12:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Nov 90 12:49:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Fri, 2 Nov 90 12:48:26 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 2 Nov 1990 12:17 EST Subject: sample lib and guidelines Status: RO Ok, I have gotten quite a few requests so I take it that mailing these out wont break your backs. Please, PlEaSe, PLEASE read the guidelines carefully! ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 10/10/90) OK, here we go. Some very basic guidelines: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. For every disk of sounds you send, you'll get the original back (tweaked if necessary and time permitting) plus 2 disks filled. That is, if you send me one sound disk and 2 additional empty FORMATTED disks, you get 3 full disks back. A note on what type of samples you would like would help me choose. Otherwise, I'll send out a "best of" series. Limit 10 disks total. 4. I had originally thought of limiting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. Make a note that I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. (I know I haven't been absolutely sterling in my turn-around performance to date; things should be smoother now - gfd). 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (201) 957-6392 (weekdays) 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 11. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate. There really is a difference! 12. Send me e-mail describing what and when you are sending me. 13. Include a list of sounds that you have already gotten from me if applicable. This will eliminate the possibility of you getting the same stuff more than once. 14. Please refrain from sending samples that you have bought from someone else. Not that I'm afraid of getting sued, more so that it's not fair to them. Do your own sampling! 15. Samples can be sent on DAT tape. I have DAT and an easy way of getting DAT data down to the samplers. Of course, don't send 60 minutes worth of samples on DAT, but if there is a stereo sample that you think is exceptional, send it on DAT. All tapes will be returned intact unless otherwise requested. 16. DO NOT send originals. Send me copies of your sounds. You never know what you may get back! :-) 17. Samples must not be used to barter for Iraqi petroleum. =============================================================================== Sample List as of 9/17/90 Supplier Instrument Comments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Tycholis Yamaha RX-5* drum machine (complete) Neil Kawai R-100* drum machine (complete) (Neil) R. Walter Alesis HR-16* drum machine gfd Oberheim Matrix 1000 analog synth (2 full disks). bass sounds, square wave lead, electronic percussion-type sounds (in a kit). Neil Roland D-50 pads (half a disk) gfd Korg M3r (1 disk; others soon) Bass, lead sound, Acoustic Bass layered with conga (very nice). gfd Korg M3r* drum sounds gfd Korg SG-1D sampled grand (1 disk) sampled by a friend. Very interesting stereo effect makes you seem like you're "inside" the piano. very nice. all Miscelaneous guitar shots, CD player fast forwarding, chordal vocal samples, DX rhodes sound, ********* new releases!! ************** D. Tycholis Assorted Basses bass-type samples from DX7, Steinberger T. Flemming stabs & effects some stereo, brass, orchestral shots. T. Flemming stabs & synths more stabs, korg synths, synth basses. T. Flemming assorted voices speech clips such as "Hit it!", "This is a Journey into Sound" and others. T. Flemming JB samples Assorted James Brown Owws, Yeahs and other-worldy noises. Includes some groove samples. D. Tycholis MC Hammer Samples of raw instrumentals of "U Can't Touch Dis" including some choice quotes. This package includes a sequence disk for the Mac Sequencer "performer" that strings the samples together for an S-550. W. Fox Money Samples from the beginning of Pink Floyd's song _Money_ and some voices. gfd trumpet samples mellow trumpet sound multi-sample. Sampled in my studio. Also hard attack. T. Flemming Alesis HR-16B drum machine (complete). T. Flemming Roland TR808 TR909 drum machines. ============================================================================ *note: all drum sounds are saved by instrument, not by machine. Current drum library consists of: 1 snare disk 1 kick disk 1 Tom disk 1 conga,bonga, timbale disk 2 percussion disks A "best of" disk is forthcoming... **** note 10/10/90 I think that if I get the time, I will archive them both ways since I've had requests. I'll post notification when I finish... **** note 11/2/90 Although I still haven't totally finished with this task, I will accept requests for drum sounds by "machine". Those 16B samples are too juicy to do without! From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Fri Nov 2 17:15:18 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA05238; Fri, 2 Nov 90 17:15:17 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA10478; Fri, 2 Nov 90 17:15:51 EST Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA25280; Fri, 2 Nov 90 17:16:33 -0500 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 2 Nov 90 17:08:55 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 2 Nov 90 17:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 2 Nov 90 17:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for nh0n+; Fri, 2 Nov 90 17:05:05 EST Received: from IRCX400MS.ESSIT.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16495>; Fri, 2 Nov 1990 14:04:28 PST X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA002C4676932AF5 Date: Fri, 2 Nov 1990 13:53:35 PST Sender: gould!xerox.com!Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B From: gould!xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B Subject: My New Mail Address In-Reply-To: "nh0n+@andrew.cmu:edu:Xerox's message of 31-October-90 (Wednesday) 10:06:00 PST" To: andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+ Cc: xerox.com!Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B, andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Message-Id: <" 2-Nov-90 13:53:35 PST".*.Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.com> Status: RO All, I have moved to a new location (don't worry, I'm still working in smoggy, crowded, downtown LA, thank gosh ;-). Please update your records accordingly, if you give a hoot. New address: Tycho.ES_AE@Xerox.Com I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope the new address works! Thanks, tycho (aka Don) From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Nov 6 19:50:35 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA24197; Tue, 6 Nov 90 19:50:34 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA23060; Tue, 6 Nov 90 19:50:29 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA02700; Tue, 6 Nov 90 19:50:47 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 6 Nov 90 19:48:28 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 6 Nov 90 19:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 6 Nov 90 19:47:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Tue, 6 Nov 90 19:46:34 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 6 Nov 1990 16:49 EST Subject: change in guidelines Status: RO I have re-thought some of the guidelines I had set down earlier. I felt that the tone of the guidelines may have been a little alienating. The main change is in item #3. I no longer feel it necessary for people to contribute every time they wish to get something from the list. If you contribute once, in earnest, you should feel free to request any sounds in the library from then on. There really is some good stuff in there now and it seemed a shame only a few have been able to keep samples coming in. So, those of you who have sent something in, it's open season. For those of you who still are on the sidelines, get acouple of disks of sounds together and you'll have access to some pretty impressive stuff. I would request that those who do take full advantage of the library to, in turn, contribute in kind. Needless to say, I still have fears of dozens of empty disks coming in and more grunge work for me. But there, the gauntlet has been thrown. Happy sampling! gfd P.S. Also, even some of the "veteran" samplers have been fairly lame in following some of the simple, time-saving requests I have outlined before. Please be more considerate of my time... ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 11/6/90) OK, here we go. Some very basic guidelines: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. Access to the S-library depends on your participation alone. A single contribution in earnest to the library will get you access to the entire library. Think of your contribution as the initiation fee. From then on, you can request any disks in the library. Please limit to 10 disks each mailing. 4. I had originally thought of limiting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. However, no samples of better than marginal quality will be rejected regardless of subject matter. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (201) 957-6392 (weekdays) 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 11. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate. There really is a difference! 12. Send me e-mail describing what and when you are sending me. 13. Include a list of sounds that you have already gotten from me if applicable. This will eliminate the possibility of you getting the same stuff more than once. 14. Please refrain from sending samples that you have bought from someone else. Not that I'm afraid of getting sued, more so that it's not fair to them. Do your own sampling! 15. Samples can be sent on DAT tape. I have DAT and an easy way of getting DAT data down to the samplers. Of course, don't send 60 minutes worth of samples on DAT, but if there is a stereo sample that you think is exceptional, send it on DAT. All tapes will be returned intact unless otherwise requested. 16. DO NOT send originals. Send me copies of your sounds. You never know what you may get back! :-) 17. Samples must not be used to barter for Iraqi petroleum. From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Nov 15 12:02:28 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA07651; Thu, 15 Nov 90 12:02:27 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA07491; Thu, 15 Nov 90 12:01:30 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA00210; Thu, 15 Nov 90 12:02:24 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 15 Nov 90 11:59:03 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 15 Nov 90 11:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 15 Nov 90 11:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dartvax.dartmouth.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 15 Nov 90 11:54:06 EST Received: from d0.dartmouth.edu by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.4HUB) id AA28125; Thu, 15 Nov 90 11:53:44 -0500 Received: by D0.DARTMOUTH.EDU id <9901>; 15 Nov 90 11:53:55 Message-Id: <2549666@mac.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 15 Nov 90 11:53:52 From: gould!mac.dartmouth.edu!Christopher.R.Bingham To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: S-10 samples Status: RO Greetings. Anyone out there still using an S-10, or know of someone who is? I'm interested in trading samples, info, etc. Thanks! Chris Christopher.R.Bingham@mac.dartmouth.edu From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Nov 15 14:02:24 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA08396; Thu, 15 Nov 90 14:02:23 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA09660; Thu, 15 Nov 90 14:01:20 EST Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA04314; Thu, 15 Nov 90 14:02:13 -0500 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 15 Nov 90 13:55:36 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 15 Nov 90 13:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 15 Nov 90 13:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from encore.encore.com (MULTIMAX.ENCORE.COM) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 15 Nov 90 13:52:16 EST Received: by encore.encore.com (5.64/25-eef) id AA03890; Thu, 15 Nov 90 13:52:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 90 13:52:26 -0500 From: Don Law Message-Id: <9011151852.AA03890@encore.encore.com> To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ Subject: Re: S-10 samples Status: RO Christopher.R.Bingham@mac.dartmouth.edu writes: > Greetings. Anyone out there still using an S-10, or know of someone who is? > I'm interested in trading samples, info, etc. Yes - I own the "Chevette" of the Roland S series! I don't have any original samples worth trading now, but here are some of my plans: Some of the Sgroupers are talking about developing a network archive of samples. When that comes to pass (or maybe sooner), I plan to write a utility to take these samples and convert them to a sysex which one of my sequencers can download to the S-10. This is especially useful to us since we can't read the 3.5" disks of the Sgroup library. Capturing samples off the net would give George a little relief as well, not having to mail disks. One possibly interesting sample source I have access to is a Casio CZ-1 (phase distortion synthesis). Maybe when we get this net<->sysex thing off the ground I'll offer some sounds from the CZ-1. --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From gould!mac.dartmouth.edu!Christopher.R.Bingham Thu Nov 15 19:30:28 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA10568; Thu, 15 Nov 90 19:30:27 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA16485; Thu, 15 Nov 90 19:29:30 EST Received: from dartvax.dartmouth.edu by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA16209; Thu, 15 Nov 90 19:30:26 -0500 Received: from d0.dartmouth.edu by dartvax.dartmouth.edu (5.65D1/4.4HUB) id AA05233; Thu, 15 Nov 90 17:28:50 -0500 Received: by D0.DARTMOUTH.EDU id <10400>; 15 Nov 90 17:29:01 Message-Id: <2554106@mac.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 15 Nov 90 17:28:48 From: gould!mac.dartmouth.edu!Christopher.R.Bingham To: encore.com!dlaw Subject: Re: S-10 samples Status: RO Thanks for your response. I haven't come up with much in the way of original samples useful to others, although I have a few of a friend's DX7S and some interesting drum things. (I've been involved with the Bregman Electronic Music Studio hear at Dartmouth, and being able to sample on the Synclavier at 100kHz in 16-bit stereo with 32meg of sample RAM has a way of making the S10 sound *very* Chevette-like!) I either own or have access to a variety of software tools-- Sound Designer, Turbosynth, Vision, Performer, Alchemy, etc.-- as well as some interesting hardware: Kawai K1 & K4, EmaxII, CZ-5000, Synclavier. I'm sure we can work out means to transfer samples of various formats to the S10. I friend of mine has done some programming converting between different formats; I'll ask him for any info he may have. Thanks again, and I'll keep in touch. Chris From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Mon Nov 19 21:56:28 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA03332; Mon, 19 Nov 90 21:56:26 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA27053; Mon, 19 Nov 90 20:55:13 EST Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA19471; Mon, 19 Nov 90 20:56:25 -0500 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 19 Nov 90 20:51:49 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 19 Nov 90 20:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Nov 90 20:50:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Mon, 19 Nov 90 20:49:33 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 19 Nov 1990 16:01 EST Subject: D110 samples Status: RO > Subject: additions to the lib > > I have a Roland D-110 and I have been thinking of what I could > contribute to the SGroup library. Perhaps I can supply a disk of the > drum sounds. I made a point of sample my M3r sounds with some of the fx intact. A lot of the ambience of those drums sounds depended heavily on the fx. > looping the sounds because of all of the beating of the oscillators. > Does anyone have any tricks they would like to share in this area? This goes for anyone, but don't let the fact that you can't get a perfect loop on your samples keep you from sending them in. Ultimately, if someone is so inspired by the sound you've sent as to want to use it, he/she will worry about the looping. My own approach to looping really only provides me with 2 or 3 effective ways to loop a sample. The most common is to loop a single cycle of the sample at the very end. Of course, that often yields a pretty dull tone, but with some detuning or some LFO added with the right EnvG, they can be usable. The other method is to get a much larger portion of the wave into the loop. This often produces a noticable bump of click in the sound. It is possible to get good results this way, but often, you have to use the inc/dec button quite a bit to page through hundreds of unacceptable loop points. The main thing is to keep the key depressed when you're changing the loop point so you can hear the bad loop sound "resolve itself" when you hit the right one (ahhhh! like panning for gold!). The truth is, there are sounds that are very tough/impossible to loop perfectly. Some sample editting software may give one the option to smooth out some of the rough spots, but is no guarantee of a good loop. For myself, the synth sounds I've sampled so far have been those tht I judged could be successfully looped. Some were better than others. Trying it is the only way. Good luck. gfd From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Mon Nov 19 23:36:13 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA03591; Mon, 19 Nov 90 23:36:12 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA28398; Mon, 19 Nov 90 22:35:01 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA21442; Mon, 19 Nov 90 22:36:12 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 19 Nov 90 22:30:20 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 19 Nov 90 22:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 19 Nov 90 22:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Xerox.COM (alpha.Xerox.COM) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Mon, 19 Nov 90 19:50:51 EST Received: from IRCX400MS.ESSIT.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16420>; Mon, 19 Nov 1990 16:50:25 PST X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA002C46D85D2B07 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 1990 14:15:41 PST Sender: gould!xerox.com!Donald_C._Tycholis.ES_AE From: gould!xerox.com!Tycho.ES_AE Subject: Re: additions to the lib In-Reply-To: "@po10.andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+@andrew.cmu:edu:Xerox's message of 19-November-90 (Monday) 11:09:00 PST" To: Cc: mtdca.att.com!gfd, andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Message-Id: <"19-Nov-90 14:15:41 PST".*.Donald_C._Tycholis.ES_AE@Xerox.com> Status: RO Eric, Re: "difficulty looping the sounds because of all of the beating of the oscillators." Here's something to try when you're bored: Sample each oscillator's output separately and then combine them in the S-330 somehow at playback time. Anyone know exactly how to layer 4 tones on a single patch? right now (taking a quick break from a paying job), I can only think of one way, but perhaps there are others: 1.) create an interesting analog patch, and write down the detuning for each oscillator. 2.) sample each oscillator, individually, no LFO, tuned as closely as possible to the same pitch (hey I know if it was too close it wouldn't have that analog magic). 3.) Detune each tone up or down the right amount to approximate your favorite patch. 4.) "combine" or "mix" 2 tones into a single tone for patch 1, and the other two tones as patch 2 5.) layer the two patches on the same keys. 6.) If it won't loop, go back to step 3 and try again. It probably won't sound the same as the real thing, but it might be easier to loop since you have a bit more control over the tones. Well, back to work 8-). tycho From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Nov 20 12:43:54 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01311; Tue, 20 Nov 90 12:43:53 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02302; Tue, 20 Nov 90 12:52:40 EST Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA09669; Tue, 20 Nov 90 12:53:51 -0500 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for henrik@eddie.mit.edu; Tue, 20 Nov 90 11:09:14 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 20 Nov 90 11:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 20 Nov 90 11:06:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Tue, 20 Nov 90 11:02:33 EST Received: from vax.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with SMTP inbound id <5072-8@sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk>; Tue, 20 Nov 1990 14:41:05 +0000 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by vax.NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK via Janet with NIFTP id aa09241; 20 Nov 90 14:14 GMT Received: from falcon by kestrel.Ukc.AC.UK Over Ring with SMTP id aa25184; 20 Nov 90 14:25 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Nov 90 14:25:31 GMT From: "Patrick C.K.Tsang" To: andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Subject: Loop methods Status: RO >I also want to send a disk or two of samples from my old Roland .... >...Jupitar-4...... The sound of 4 analog oscillators just can't be >beat! Anyway, I tried to sample it before but had some difficulty >looping the sounds because of all of the beating of the oscillators. >Does anyone have any tricks they would like to share in this area? >Eric Yes ! There is a trick to overcome this problem -- something that I learned from re-synthesis methods on a Synclavier. Suppose we have a waveform of length x, we divide it into attack (A), peak (B), initial decay level (C), and sustain level (D), it's amplitude display on a sampler's screen would look like this : Amplitude ^ | ~ | ~~~~ | ~~~~~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ |---------------------------------------- | ~~~~~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | ~~~~ | ~ | |---------------------------------------> Time (A)(B) (C) (M) (D) <----------x------------> Obviously we cannot perform loops between points A to C as both the amplitude and harmonic content are changing greatly. We only work out a loop for the section C-D. So this is what you do: 1) Note down the positions of points C and D. 2) Extract C-D. So you now have two samples: A-B-C and C-D. 3) Make an exact copy of C-D but IN REVERSE !!! So now you have a new sample D-C, too. 4) Use the 'MIX' function to combine the samples C-D and D-C, but using half (50%) amplitude for each one, so that the sum would not exceed the original amplitude. 5) So now you have a sample that is geometically balanced at the exact middle point M = (C+D)/2. Listen to it. 6) If you are unlucky you will hear a lot of phasing out and you have to choose a different set of points for C and D, and do it again. Otherwise you should notice a consistent sound. 7) Choose a point between C and the middle point M where you wish your loop to begin, set this to be loop start L. Set the point exact distance away from M on the other side as loop end E: C---L----------M----------E---D i.e. (M-L) = (E-M) => E = 2M - L => E = D - L In simple English, the loop start L is as far away from origin C as the end point E is away from D. Work it out yourself. So now you should have a perfectly geometrical loop L-E. 8) Stick the sample A-B-C and C-L-M-E-D togetehr again. Voila ! Now you have a loop ! Patrick. Freelance Synclavier Op. From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Nov 20 16:02:16 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA00952; Tue, 20 Nov 90 16:02:13 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA07993; Tue, 20 Nov 90 16:12:12 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA16449; Tue, 20 Nov 90 16:13:14 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 20 Nov 90 16:08:34 EST Received: via switchmail; Tue, 20 Nov 90 16:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 20 Nov 90 16:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 20 Nov 90 16:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Tue, 20 Nov 90 16:04:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 90 16:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Third Party Software List Status: RO The following is a list of sounds and editor librarians for the S-series samplers. There is a separate section at the end for the S10. This info was gathered from Keyboard magazine's buyers guide and their classified ads. If anyone has anything to add, or comments about certain companies, please send them to me and I'll add them in. CL: -means classified ad follows ** -means my own comments S50/550/330/W30 Sounds: >Club 50: over 100 disks available, $20 each 25226 234th Ave. SE Maple Valley, WA 98038 (206) 432-1390 USA >Eye & I: Voice Crystal 1-25, 3 voices on each disk, $15 each 2151 Old Oakland Rd. #224 San Jose, CA 95131 USA (408) 945-0139 >Glove Productions: S50/550/W30 disks, $20 to $35 per disk **I have their 1989 catalog and demo disk if anyone is interested** Box 11168 Eugene, OR 97404-3368 USA >i.s.m. Free thousand disk catalog CL: Huge Library, ism has over a thousand disk library for Roland S-50/550/330/770/W30 includes not only real acoustic instruments, but also old & new synthesizers (Moog,PPg SY77, T!, D-70, and more) and powerfuls SE's. Digidesign Sound Designer formatted. Write/Fax for free 'thousand disk catalog': i.s.m. PO Box 179 Sapporo Chuo 060 Japan FAX 81118238627 >MIDI Mark: 4 disks, $10 each, whole set, $35, free sound list CL: New S-series Funky set 2 - TR 909, TR 808, and Beats. 4 disks $35.00 plus $3 s/h. Demo tapes $5. Funk, House, Acid, Rap. Samples from the industry. MIDI Mark Productions PO Box 217 Whittier, CA 90608 USA >MIDIMouse: 19 disks, $24.95 each Box 877 Welches, OR 97067 USA (503) 622-4034 >Navarrophonic: 70 disks, prices range from 3 disks for $30 to complete 70 disk library for $600 CL: Sample Libraries for S-series. Demo cassette $6. Information/catalog: (301) 750-3813 COD orders only:(800) 666-5563 Ken Navarro/Navarrophonic Productions PO Box 1521 Columbia, MD 21044 USA >Northstar: 44 disks, 8 presets per disk, $15 each 13716 SE Ramona Portland, OR 97236 USA (503) 760-7777 >Optical Media: CD-ROMS: Vol1, $369; Vol 2 Outrigger Productions Gold, $369. 485 Alberto Way Los Gatos, CA 95032 USA (408) 395-4332 >Outrigger: 200 disks, $20 per disk (discounts for bulk orders) CL: Roland S/W series disks. The best roland sampler disk library available. New CD-ROM by Optical Media. New DAT/PCM/CASSETTE sound libraries for sale. For catalog Write/Fax Sandy Simpson Outrigger Productions PO Box 2719 Agana, Guam 96910 FAX (011) 671-734-5459 >Patchman Music: Elite Series sampler disks, 53 disk catalog, quantity pricing. 2043 Mars Ave. Lakewood, OH 44107 USA (216) 221-8887 >Prosonus: ProDisk digital sampled sounds & FX on preformatted floppy disks, 15+ sets, $49.95 each. 1616 Vista del Mar Los Angeles, CA 90028. USA (213) 463-6191 >Roland: 160 disks, check w/ dealer for availability 7200 Dominion Circle Los Angeles, CA 90040 USA (213) 685-5141 FAX: (213) 722-0911 >Sacks Music: S-50/550 sounds, demo disk $10, brochure $1 1636 Cahuenga Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90028 USA >Uberschall: $15 per disk, 10 disk set, $120; demo cassette and sound list $8 Dieckbornstr. 5 3000 Hanover 91 Germany 011-49-511-455410 They left these out (found in classifieds): >USB: Universal sound bank, world's largest bank for Roland, Yamaha, and Akai samplers (over 500 original disks). Please write to: USB / Studio JBF 23 rue Poissonniere 75002 Paris, France >Techno Industrial Samples for S-series. Machine sounds, heavy percussion, techno-bass, killer synths, cyber-FX on 5 disks. $45 John Zambrano 2060 Emery Ave, Suite #205 LaHabra, CA 90631 USA >Great S-50 samples. D-50 sound set: 64 great D-50 sounds on 10 disks for $69.95 MIDI Textures: We layered today's 9 top synths. 6 disks for $64.95. Order today or send $8 for demo and sound list. S10 sounds available (**see next section**) VISA/Mastercard PSL Productions PO Box 602 Stn. K Montreal QC Canada H1N 3R2 (514) 256-7936 **I have the D-50 sound set and am quite happy with it. I also have the demo disk and cassette. The disk is in the users library. I will gladly dub the demo tape for any who want to hear it but it is quite bad (not the sounds, but the production)** S50/550/330/W30 Editor Librarians: >Digidesign: Sound Designer II SK for Mac, $349; Sound Designer Universal for Atari, $349 Turbosynth modular synthesis/sample processing software for Mac & Atari, $349. 1360 Willow Rd., #101 Menlo Park, CA 94025 USA (415) 327-0777 >Interval Music: GenWave waveform editor/translator for Atari $349 12335 Santa Monica Blvd, #244 (12077 Wilshire Blvd, #515) Los Angeles, CA 90025 USA (213) 478-5791 >Passport: alchemy sample editing & sound designer W/ lib. for Mac, $695. Sound Apprentice sample editing & sound designer, w/lib. for Mac $295 625 Miramontes Half Moon Bay, CA 94019 USA (415) 726-0280 FAX: (415) 726-2254 >Turtle Beach: SampleVision sample editing software for IBM, $349 Box 5074 York, PA 17405 USA (717) 843-6916 FAX: (717) 854-8319 S10 Sounds: >PSL: 10 disk set of layered synth textures, $85, $59.95 if disks supplied; 20 disk D-50 sound set, $133, $69.95 if disks supplied; demo cassette & sound list $8 PSL Productions PO Box 602 Stn. K Montreal QC Canada H1N 3R2 (514) 256-7936 >Roland: 11 sample vol, check w/ dealer for availability 7200 Dominion Circle Los Angeles, CA 90040 USA (213) 685-5141 FAX: (213) 722-0911 S10 Editor/Librarians: >Turtle Beach: SampleVision sample editing software for IBM, $349 Box 5074 York, PA 17405 USA (717) 843-6916 FAX: (717) 854-8319 From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Nov 20 23:52:05 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02300; Tue, 20 Nov 90 23:52:03 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA15490; Wed, 21 Nov 90 00:21:48 EST Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA29336; Wed, 21 Nov 90 00:23:02 -0500 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 21 Nov 90 00:17:38 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 21 Nov 90 00:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 21 Nov 90 00:16:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Wed, 21 Nov 90 00:16:00 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Cc: email_addr@deleted Date: 20 Nov 1990 9:29 EST Subject: Sound Designer II (SD II) Status: RO > To: gfd@mtdca.att.com > Subject: Sound designer II > > What is this?? Software for editing samples?? If that is the case please > tell me more about it, it sounds real interesting. > > email_addr@deleted I'm not sure I ever really gave any info on SD II, so here's a quick look: SD II is a revision of Digidesign's Sound Designer program which is basically a sample editting program giving you many tools for fooling with samples. Besides the normal cut/copy/paste/clear operations, you can fade in, fade out, reverse, normalize samples to your hearts content. Samples are communicated to the sampler via midi (sample dump, I guess). SD supports most popular samplers, including all the Roland samplers. Now, SD II is integrated into a package called Sound Tools (ST). It was revised to handle features for hard-disk recording. Along with this is the Sound Accelerator board (SA) that plays back sound files using on board DtoA converters. Thus, with SA, not only can you edit samples, you can hear them as you edit (which is extremely powerful). Newer features include 10 band graphic EQ (with each band sweepable and with a seperate bandwith control (which really means 10 band Parametric EQ, really)), compression/expansion/gate, time compression/expansion, fft display of wave data (not real time), parametric EQ, pitch shifting and some others. When I edit samples, the first thing I do is "normalize" them. This basically scales the sample such that the highest amplitude is set to the maximum value allowed (FFF I guess). This makes the sample louder (much louder in some cases) and improves signal/noise ratio. I'll then clip away any leading delay or trailing noise, or if the noise isn't easily clippable (for instance if it is too integrated into the decay of the sound) I will do a fade on the end of the sample so that it ends in silence (pretty handy). I then will go the the graphic EQ. I've been dong mostly drum sounds, so usually, I will make the sound brighter and, if appropriate, deeper. Some sounds need little help, others need a lot. Anyway, after I get the sound where I want it, I save it to the hard disk and then send it back down to the sampler to see how it sounds (sometimes there is a difference in how they sound from the sampler than from the SA). There are tons of other features for the hard disk recording stuff, but they aren't really related, so I'll end here. The system isn't cheap, and you need a Mac SE 30 or a Mac II to really make it work. But it is fabulous to use. It certainly reconciles my debt :-) gfd From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Nov 22 12:35:25 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA05803; Thu, 22 Nov 90 12:35:24 EST Received: by gould (5.52/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02175; Thu, 22 Nov 90 13:31:50 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA18864; Thu, 22 Nov 90 13:33:09 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 22 Nov 90 13:29:20 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 22 Nov 90 13:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 22 Nov 90 13:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ifi.uio.no by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 22 Nov 90 13:24:16 EST Received: from skakke.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Nov 1990 19:23:51 +0100 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by skakke.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 22 Nov 1990 19:23:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 1990 19:23:50 +0100 Message-Id: <9011221823.AAskakke12790@skakke.ifi.uio.no> To: casbah.acns.nwu.edu!alasnik Cc: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ In-Reply-To: Adam Lasnik's message of Wed, 21 Nov 90 22:28:34 CST <9011220428.AA09006@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Subject: Re: requested info... Status: RO Adamsnik, I had to sell my synth (it was just a D-20) to afford my W-30 sampler, and haven't been sorry for it. In fact the W-30 sounds twice as fat with some good analog samples with the rigth tone parameters as the old digital synth. Here's a suggested filter setting that sets the resonance almost at peak ,and gives approx. maximum effect out of the filter circuits. The L.Curve adjust the level of sensitivity, it's often best to just turn it off. Afterwards you just mess around with the envelope till it sounds rigth. When using a sequencer you vary the velocity to get the changing deep and high analog feel. It's a pity the W-30 doesn`t have portamento as well, it's about all that's missing. Offcourse theire are other drawbacks with the machine as lack of sys.ex.-dumping of samples and no memory add on's, but you can make the best out of the equipment you have. Thomas Flemming ,Winterland 22.11.1990 TVF Switch ON L.Curve 2 Cut-off 0 EG Depth 127 Resonance 90 EG Pol. + Key Follow 63 Key-rate 0 LFO Depth 0 Vel-rate 0 Rate 90 73 90 127 127 Level 127 127 0 0 0 Sus 2 End 3 ~/Ifi-mail/sample-skakke 8 From daemon Mon Dec 10 17:25:39 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA05667; Mon, 10 Dec 90 17:25:38 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA23962; Mon, 10 Dec 90 18:45:14 EST Received: from STONY-BROOK.SCRC.SYMBOLICS.COM by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA26708; Mon, 10 Dec 90 18:42:51 -0500 Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.10.105]) by STONY-BROOK.SCRC.Symbolics.COM via INTERNET with SMTP id 883151; 10 Dec 1990 18:23:29-0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Mon, 10 Dec 90 18:10:01 EST Received: via switchmail; Mon, 10 Dec 90 18:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 10 Dec 90 18:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 10 Dec 90 18:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Mon, 10 Dec 90 18:09:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 90 18:09:17 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Allright for Keyboard! Status: RO I just got my Jan '91 issue of Keyboard magazine. Although Roland has apparantly lost interest in the trivial pursuit of product support, Keyboard hasn't. They've printed a clinic on the S550/330 sampler. I haven't read it yet but they claim to cover Recording and Looping, Creating Subtones, Disk Tricks, and Drawing Waves. I'm sure some of this will help out the 50/10 owners as well. Speaking of drawing waves, does anyone have experience with the digitizer tablet? neil From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Mon Dec 17 11:29:08 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA07429; Mon, 17 Dec 90 11:29:07 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA29852; Mon, 17 Dec 90 11:28:48 EST Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA06902; Mon, 17 Dec 90 11:27:06 -0500 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu; Fri, 14 Dec 90 17:19:17 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 14 Dec 90 17:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 14 Dec 90 17:16:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Fri, 14 Dec 90 17:15:19 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 14 Dec 1990 15:03 EST Subject: Roland Sampler for Sale Status: RO Hey folks, I'm selling one of my Roland samplers. Roland S-330 (16 bit ADC, 12 bit internal, 16 DAC) 14.4 secs sample time at 30kHz 28.8 secs sample time at 15kHz 8 outputs and 1 mix output built in video display Bob has my manual. 1 rack space. disk drive. you know the one. $950. (split shipping) A nice thing about the Roland samplers is that you can go into any Roland dealer and copy their sample library for free. I'll include some sound disks as well. Give me a buzz or send mail. George Demarest Home (201) 757-4655 Work (until 12/31/90) (201) 957-6392 From gould!po5.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Mon Dec 17 15:21:46 1990 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA08261; Mon, 17 Dec 90 15:21:45 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA09655; Mon, 17 Dec 90 15:21:23 EST Received: from ads.com by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA20314; Mon, 17 Dec 90 15:19:39 -0500 Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.2) id AA05206; Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:19:24 -0800 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for patmc@apollo.com; Mon, 17 Dec 90 15:16:13 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 17 Dec 90 15:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 17 Dec 90 15:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 17 Dec 90 15:12:33 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!att!ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca!KEELERJA%UREGINA1.bitnet Received: by att.att.com; Mon Dec 17 11:52:11 EST 1990 Received: from MAX.UREGINA.CA (stdin) by ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca with BSMTP id 57750; Mon, 17 Dec 90 11:46:35 EST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.05) id 6132; Mon, 17 Dec 90 10:39:57 CST Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 11:25:26 EST Original-From: Jason Keeler Subject: Samples To: S-group Message-Id: <90Dec17.114635est.57750@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca> Status: RO Hi; As I understand, to obtain access to the sample library, the "initiation fee" is a disk of my own samples. As a result, I intend to do some sampling this week and hopefully have the disk in the library within a couple of weeks. Now, to the subject at hand: I told a friend of mine about this group and he is real interested; unfortunately he doen't have an account in witch to belong to this group. Anyhow, he told me to come over and have a "sampling frienzy" at his house. Between him, and his partner, they have over 20 synthesizers! I was wanting to ask any of you if there were any particular types of samples that you wanted. I figured that I might as well put some samples in the library that people were interested in. A word of caution though: I'm a real sampling novice. I've been mainly relying on factory samples and don't have much sampling experience. Hopefully this Keyboard article will help. ttyl8r...Jason From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Jan 17 13:26:22 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01232; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:26:20 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01767; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:27:23 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA11382; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:26:44 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:26:42 EST Received: via switchmail; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from huxley.hl.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from huxley.hl.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.8.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.huxley.hl.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.3 via MS.5.6.huxley.hl.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_3; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:23:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:23:21 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Holidays and War Status: RO Hey S-people, I'm back from vacation and am getting settled into school once again. The list has been fairly quiet so I thought I'd post. What's up with the sample - net conversion stuff? I haven't heard from you Todd in a while, did you give it up? Any new contributions to the library George? I absolutly swear I will send some new disks in the next few days, all I gotta do is copy them. What else is happening in the sample world? neil From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Jan 17 13:51:26 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01857; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:51:24 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02652; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:52:24 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA15144; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:51:42 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:51:30 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from encore.encore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:43:56 EST Received: from ranger.encore.COM by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA12166; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:42:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:41:27 EST From: gould!encore!ranger!don (Don Law) Message-Id: <9101171841.AA01635@ranger> Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01635; Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:41:27 EST To: andrew.cmu.edu!encore!sgroup+ Subject: Re: Holidays and War Status: RO > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > > What's up with the sample - net conversion stuff? I don't know what Todd is doing, but I had set aside a few days back in November to work on this. It got overridden by an emergency (at my real job). December came and it was loaded with emergencies. I am currently working on my last emergency for a while (I can see you S-groupers starting to weep with sympathy now :-) ) and I have a pile of "comp time" built up. During some of that comp time, I'm going to hopefully start working on some of this stuff. I had hoped to be able to capture sample data using the new (3.0) Cakewalk, but its sysex buffer has a 64K limit. I can't fit even one bank in that, so I'll have to resort to writing my own sysex software on the PC. I'll let you know as soon as something works! --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Fri Jan 18 15:45:26 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02223; Fri, 18 Jan 91 15:45:25 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA17942; Fri, 18 Jan 91 15:47:04 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA04979; Fri, 18 Jan 91 15:43:52 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 18 Jan 91 15:43:22 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 18 Jan 91 15:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 18 Jan 91 15:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Fri, 18 Jan 91 15:07:51 EST From: gould!blink.att.com!tjt Received: from sparc-8.blink.att.uucp by blink.att.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA28041; Fri, 18 Jan 91 13:09:28 EST Received: by sparc-8.blink.att.uucp (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA05217; Fri, 18 Jan 91 13:09:25 EST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 13:09:25 EST Original-From: blink!tjt (Tim Thompson(x4339)) Message-Id: <9101181809.AA05217@sparc-8.blink.att.uucp> To: blink.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup, blink.att.com!att!encore.com!dlaw Subject: Re: sample - net conversion stuff Status: RO > > What's up with the sample - net conversion stuff? I'm fairly new to this list - what is this "sample - net conversion stuff" ? I don't have a Roland sampler (although I do have a D110 and U220), but I'm intending on getting a sampler shortly that is compatible with the Sample Dump Standard, and I am definitely intending on getting into writing software that manipulates samples. The first step will be figuring out how to convert various sampler formats to/from the SDS format, since I don't see very many people distributing samples in SDS format. (Why is that, by the way?) So, please let me know what the plans (or just intentions) are with respect to this "sample - net conversion" stuff, I may like to get involved. Thanks much. ...Tim Thompson...tjt@twitch.att.com... From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Fri Jan 18 16:24:23 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02530; Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:24:22 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA19545; Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:26:02 EST Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA06433; Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:22:48 -0500 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:21:19 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from encore.encore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:16:32 EST Received: from ranger.encore.COM by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA06015; Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:14:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:16:00 EST From: gould!encore!ranger!don (Don Law) Message-Id: <9101182116.AA02443@ranger> Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02443; Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:16:00 EST To: andrew.cmu.edu!encore!sgroup+ Subject: Re: sample - net conversion stuff Status: RO > From: gould!blink.att.com!tjt > Original-From: blink!tjt (Tim Thompson(x4339)) > > I'm fairly new to this list - what is this "sample - net conversion stuff" ? Well, George does a great job of maintaining an Sgroup library, but he has to handle all the distribution by mail. A logical alternative is to have the samples available on an anonymous FTP site or such. What is needed is some software to get it through all the channels. That's one need. The second need is people like me who have an S-10 and cannot read the Sgroup library disks, because we use the "QuickDisc" 2.8" format disks. (Yes, I said 2.8 inch.) So one solution that has been tossed around is this: S-10 ---> IBM XT ---> Unix ---> Internet | | | MIDI NFS FTP and the reverse of course. I (or someone) needs to write the software to pick up the sysex off the midi interface and store it to floppy. Then, in my case, I would carry the floppy into work and use PC-NFS to FTP it up to a Unix host. From there, any reformatting could be performed as needed. For example, to/from S-10, S-330, SDS, etc. All this stuff needs to be bidirectional for obvious reasons. Hope this answers your question. --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From gould!blink.att.com!tjt Fri Jan 18 18:02:52 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02891; Fri, 18 Jan 91 18:02:51 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA23426; Fri, 18 Jan 91 18:04:31 EST Received: from att.att.com by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA10187; Fri, 18 Jan 91 18:01:20 -0500 From: gould!blink.att.com!tjt Received: from sparc-8.blink.att.uucp by blink.att.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA01410; Fri, 18 Jan 91 17:36:26 EST Received: by sparc-8.blink.att.uucp (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA05865; Fri, 18 Jan 91 17:36:22 EST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 17:36:22 EST Original-From: blink!tjt (Tim Thompson(x4339)) Message-Id: <9101182236.AA05865@sparc-8.blink.att.uucp> To: att!encore.com!dlaw Subject: Re: sample - net conversion stuff Status: RO Hi, > and the reverse of course. I (or someone) needs to write the software > to pick up the sysex off the midi interface and store it to floppy. > Then, in my case, I would carry the floppy into work and use PC-NFS > to FTP it up to a Unix host. From there, any reformatting could be > performed as needed. For example, to/from S-10, S-330, SDS, etc. > All this stuff needs to be bidirectional for obvious reasons. Thanks for the explanation. I would be interested in working on the reformatting software. I have a description of the SDS. Do you have (or know where to get) descriptions of the sample formats for the S50 et. al. ? (I'm sending this directly to you rather than the list - if you don't know or aren't sure, I'll re-send to the list.) Thanks much. ...Tim...tjt@blink.att.com... From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Sat Jan 19 01:38:53 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA03745; Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:38:51 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA01712; Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:40:27 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA21452; Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:37:12 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:37:14 EST Received: via switchmail; Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:34:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:34:46 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: sample - net conversion Status: RO Sorry about the confusion Tim, I suppose 'sample - net conversion stuff' is not the best descriptive term :-) Some members of the s-group were working on converting S-series samples into a net-transferrable condition. This way, our users library could be kept on-line and would be much more accessable. Right now we rely on snail mail and that causes alot of work for George and contributing members. I unfortunatly do not have the computer experience to pull this off, but it seems a few S-people are working on it. Your involvment would be greatly appreciated as well. neil From gould!blink.att.com!tjt Sat Jan 19 16:04:13 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA05921; Sat, 19 Jan 91 16:04:11 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA19511; Sat, 19 Jan 91 16:05:53 EST Received: from att.att.com by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA10882; Sat, 19 Jan 91 16:02:45 -0500 From: gould!blink.att.com!tjt Received: by blink.att.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA11737; Sat, 19 Jan 91 15:42:05 EST Date: Sat, 19 Jan 91 15:42:05 EST Original-From: blink!tjt (Tim Thompson) Message-Id: <9101192042.AA11737@blink.att.com> To: att!encore.com!dlaw Subject: Re: sample - net conversion stuff Status: RO Hi, > > Do you have (or know where to get) descriptions of the sample formats > Well, I only have the format description for an S-10 (because I have an > S-10 and it's in the manual). I'm sure that other S-groupers have > the formats for the other S-series samplers. I'd be endebted to you if you could send me a copy of that format description. If it's short, perhaps fax would be a good way (my fax number at work is 908-949-1342), or my home address is: Tim Thompson, 4 Lori Lane, Howell, NJ 07731. Thanks much! ...Tim... From gould!po2.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Sun Jan 20 11:22:17 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA08169; Sun, 20 Jan 91 11:22:16 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA27349; Sun, 20 Jan 91 11:23:58 EST Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA05581; Sun, 20 Jan 91 11:20:51 -0500 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sun, 20 Jan 91 11:25:07 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 20 Jan 91 11:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 20 Jan 91 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub.ucsb.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sun, 20 Jan 91 11:18:03 EST Received: from ivucsb.UUCP by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA18179 sendmail 4.0/UCSB-2.0-sun via UUCP Sun, 20 Jan 91 08:15:26 PST for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Received: by ivucsb.sba.ca.us (smail2.5/ivucsb/td) id AA16178; 20 Jan 91 07:58:53 PST (Sun) Subject: Re: Holidays and War To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ (Roland Support Group) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 91 7:58:49 PST In-Reply-To: ; from "Neil Anthony Herzinger" at Jan 17, 91 1:23 pm Organization: QuickSilver Rallye Team, Santa Barbara, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Message-Id: <9101200758.AA16178@ivucsb.sba.ca.us> From: gould!ivucsb.sba.ca.us!todd (Todd Day) Status: RO %What's up with the sample - net conversion stuff? I haven't heard from %you Todd %in a while, did you give it up? Well, I was going to start at the beginning of the year, but the disk drive died on my S-50. I'm in the process of getting a replacement right now (any 720K IBMPC type drive works) and will probably start working on it again this next week. -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ivucsb!todd@hub.ucsb.edu From gould!po10.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Mon Jan 21 11:58:28 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA11455; Mon, 21 Jan 91 11:58:26 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA03438; Mon, 21 Jan 91 12:00:05 EST Received: from PO10.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA01701; Mon, 21 Jan 91 11:57:02 -0500 Received: by po10.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 21 Jan 91 11:57:26 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 21 Jan 91 11:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jan 91 11:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub.ucsb.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 21 Jan 91 11:54:33 EST Received: from ivucsb.UUCP by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA07362 sendmail 4.0/UCSB-2.0-sun via UUCP Mon, 21 Jan 91 08:52:01 PST for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Received: by ivucsb.sba.ca.us (smail2.5/ivucsb/td) id AA18390; 21 Jan 91 08:35:46 PST (Mon) Subject: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ (Roland Support Group) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 91 8:35:42 PST Organization: QuickSilver Rallye Team, Santa Barbara, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Message-Id: <9101210835.AA18390@ivucsb.sba.ca.us> From: gould!ivucsb.sba.ca.us!todd (Todd Day) Status: RO Well, I'm going to be starting on the disk converter sometime this weekend. I want to put a cool Windows interface on it. Would this be a problem for you guys? I think I'm going to do the Windows version first. After that, I'll add a dumb text interface. I release the source with #ifdefs throughout so if you don't have Windows, you can still use it. It won't be pretty, though... So, what do you think? Anyone out there interested on working on the code with me to add other interfaces to it (Mac, Amiga, Atari ST, etc)? Drop me a line... -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ivucsb!todd@hub.ucsb.edu From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Jan 24 00:36:57 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA23923; Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:36:56 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA04250; Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:38:34 EST Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA08229; Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:35:43 -0500 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:32:54 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from encore.encore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:31:55 EST Received: from ranger.encore.COM by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA08169; Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:30:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:31:28 EST From: gould!encore!ranger!don (Don Law) Message-Id: <9101240531.AA23911@ranger> Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA23911; Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:31:28 EST To: andrew.cmu.edu!encore!sgroup+ Subject: Re: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter Status: RO > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > > I guess what I was trying to ask is... Once ftp'd to my account, how do I get > these sounds to my sampler? I guess someone will have to write a mac > program, or do I need to use a commercial sample librarian? That's my problem, too. Some S-groupers can use the disk conversion program to read the file from the net and write it to a disk which can then be moved directly to the sampler. The rest of us need some software help. My plan is to eventually (at this rate, someone else might beat me to it) write a C program which will read the file of sample data which I ftp from the internet and then send that via Sysex to my S-10. (And it needs to work in reverse as well.) I'll be writing it for the PC, but of course I'll share the source with whomever would like it. Do you have a C compiler for the mac? --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Thu Jan 24 09:18:20 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA00415; Thu, 24 Jan 91 09:18:19 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA02058; Thu, 24 Jan 91 09:18:37 EST Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA17035; Thu, 24 Jan 91 09:15:45 -0500 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 24 Jan 91 09:12:57 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 24 Jan 91 09:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 24 Jan 91 09:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub.ucsb.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 24 Jan 91 09:10:59 EST Received: from ivucsb.UUCP by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA27442 sendmail 4.0/UCSB-2.0-sun via UUCP Thu, 24 Jan 91 06:08:23 PST for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Received: by ivucsb.sba.ca.us (smail2.5/ivucsb/td) id AA07674; 24 Jan 91 06:10:03 PST (Thu) Subject: Re: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter To: andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+ (Roland Support Group) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 6:09:59 PST In-Reply-To: ; from "Neil Anthony Herzinger" at Jan 24, 91 12:11 am Organization: QuickSilver Rallye Team, Santa Barbara, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Message-Id: <9101240610.AA07674@ivucsb.sba.ca.us> From: gould!ivucsb.sba.ca.us!todd (Todd Day) Status: RO %I guess what I was trying to ask is... Once ftp'd to my account, how do I get %these sounds to my sampler? I guess someone will have to write a mac program, %or do I need to use a commercial sample librarian? Someone who knows how to deal with SYSEX MIDI stuff will have to read the files my program writes. I'll be saving the entire header for each sample, so all of that information will be available to you, also. -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ivucsb!todd@hub.ucsb.edu From gould!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!dat33228 Thu Jan 24 13:20:44 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA00930; Thu, 24 Jan 91 13:20:43 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA12783; Thu, 24 Jan 91 13:20:46 EST Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA25263; Thu, 24 Jan 91 13:17:54 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04792 (5.65a/IDA-1.4.2 for dlaw@encore.com); Thu, 24 Jan 91 12:18:51 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 12:18:51 -0600 From: "Derek A. Taubert" Message-Id: <9101241818.AA04792@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: encore.com!dlaw Subject: Sysex sample transfers Status: RO Well, I don't have a mac, but I'm an extremely vivid IIgs programmer with a keyboard and an interface... If you get this to work, I would love the source code for it. BTW, my keyboard is a W30. I'm almost positive that the S-50 format that the group wants for sample swapping is not compatible with the format that my keyboard writes, so this program is just about all I can hope for. Thanx. + Derek Taubert --> derek@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu + Author of : GScii + + dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu + {MUCH more to come...} + + "Well, ...lettuce is a transformation of a dead cougar that suffered a + + relapse on a lion's toe. And he swallowed the lion and something happened. + + The ...see, the ...Gloria and Tommy, they're two heads and they're not + + whales. But they escaped with herds of vomit, and things like that." + From gould!po9.andrew.cmu.edu:nh0n+!andrew.cmu.edu! Tue Feb 5 10:03:49 1991 Received: by ranger (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA06610; Tue, 5 Feb 91 10:03:48 EST Received: by gould (5.54/(IC 19May87-13:37)) id AA23544; Tue, 5 Feb 91 10:02:46 EST Received: from PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP (5.64/25-eef) id AA11255; Tue, 5 Feb 91 10:01:17 -0500 Received: by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 5 Feb 91 10:01:06 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 5 Feb 91 10:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 5 Feb 91 09:58:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Tue, 5 Feb 91 09:58:46 EST From: gould!mtdca.att.com!gfd From: gould!mtdca.att.com!g.f.demarest To: mtdca.att.com!att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+ Date: 5 Feb 1991 9:19 EST Subject: My address Status: RO My address is as follows: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 gfd From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Apr 2 00:37:23 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA16048 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:37:21 EST Received: by gould.encore.com id AA00195 (5.54/UK-2.1-910329); Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:38:08 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA12701 (5.64/UK-2.1-910329); Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:37:32 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:36:31 EST Received: via switchmail; Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:34:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:34:52 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Third Party Developer List Status: RO S/W Series Third Party Manufacturers List - v2.0 - 3/30/91 The following is a list of third party sound and hardware/software companies catering to the Roland S/W series. It is compiled from the Roland UserUs Group magazine, the Keyboard magazine buyers guide, and KeyboardUs classified ads. If you have any corrections, updates, or additions, send them in. I would strongly suggest contacting these companies first to try and get a demo. I have listed where I know they offer them, but always check. If anyone has reviews of these sounds, send them in too. The list is provided as a service to the sgroup (like, IUm not involved with any of these companies, OK?! :-) This list is divided into 4 sections: S50/550/330/W30 Sounds S50/550/330/W30 Software/Hardware S10/220/MKS-100 Sounds S10/220/MKS-100 Software/Hardware Notes: Some companies may not have disks in the S-50 format, but there is a conversion program that can convert from 550/330 to 50. Contact me if you have any questions about this. All software listings are retail price. Any miscellaneous items go under the hardware/software section (Books, etc...) Classified ads are updated if possible, but some may be old. CL: -means classified ad follows ** -means my own comments <> >Club 50: over 200 disks available, $20 each (I have two addresses, I think the second one is current, but IUm not sure) 25226 234th Ave. SE Maple Valley, WA 98038 (206) 432-1390 USA & 3102 North Ashwood Orange, CA 92665 (714) 921-0119 >Comm Sci Corp: 32 disks, 6 disk set-$98, 10 disk set-$159, complete-$399 Box 8757 Calabasas, CA 91302 (818) 999-1040 USA >Eye & I Productions: Voice Crystal, 4 volumes, 3 disks/volume 3 patches/disk, $35.85/volume (Once again, I have two addresses, not sure which is current) 2151 Old Oakland Rd. #224 San Jose, CA 95131 (408) 945-0139 USA & 930 Jungfrau Court Milpitas, CA 95035 (408) 945-0139 USA >Glove Productions: S50/550/W30 disks, $20 to $35 per disk **I have their 1989 catalog and demo disk if anyone is interested** Box 11168 Eugene, OR 97404-3368 USA >i.s.m. Free thousand disk catalog CL: Huge Library, ism has over a thousand disk library for Roland S-50/550/330/770/W30 includes not only real acoustic instruments, but also old & new synthesizers (Moog,PPg SY77, T!, D-70, and more) and powerful SE's. Digidesign Sound Designer formatted. Write/Fax for free 'thousand disk catalog': i.s.m. PO Box 179 Sapporo Chuo 060 Japan FAX 81118238627 >MIDI Mark: 4 disks, $10 each, whole set, $38, free sound list CL: Hot, Hot samples. Write for details MIDI Mark Productions PO Box 217 Whittier, CA 90608 USA >MIDIMouse: 19 disks, $24.95 each Box 877, Dept. B Welches, OR 97067 USA (503) 622-4034 >Navarrophonic: 70 disks, prices range from 3 disks for $30 to complete 70 disk library for $600; 60 additional disks amount/price: (3/$50, 4/$65, 5/$75 10/$135, 20/$240, 40/$400) CL: Sample Libraries for S-series. Demo cassette $6. Information/catalog: (301) 750-3813 COD orders only:(800) 666-5563 Ken Navarro/Navarrophonic Productions PO Box 1521 Columbia, MD 21044 USA >Northstar: 44 disks, 8 presets per disk, $15 each 13716 SE Ramona Portland, OR 97236 USA (503) 760-7777 >Optical Media: Universe of Sound CD-ROMS: Vol1, $495; Vol 2 Outrigger Productions Gold, $369. 485 Alberto Way Los Gatos, CA 95032 USA (408) 395-4332 >Outrigger: 200 disks, $20 per disk (discounts for bulk orders) CL: Roland S/W series disks. The best Roland sampler disk library available. New CD-ROM by Optical Media. New reference booklet with formulas, tables, and charts for musicians/computerists. For catalog Write/Fax Sandy Simpson Outrigger Productions PO Box 2719 Agana, Guam 96910 FAX (011) 671-734-5459 >Patchman Music: Elite Series sampler disks, 53 disk catalog, $20/disk multiple disk sets are discounted. 2043 Mars Ave. Lakewood, OH 44107 USA (216) 221-8887 >Prosonus: ProDisk digital sampled sounds & FX on preformatted floppy disks, 15+ sets, $49.95 each. Several sound CDUs (not CD-ROMS). 1616 Vista del Mar Los Angeles, CA 90028. USA (213) 463-6191 >PSL Productions: D50 sound set, 10 disks $70, MIDI stack set, 6 disks $65 CL: Great S-50 samples. D-50 sound set: 64 great D-50 sounds on 10 disks for $69.95 MIDI Textures: We layered today's 9 top synths. 6 disks for $64.95. Order today or send $8 for demo and sound list. S10 sounds available (**see next section for S10**) VISA/Mastercard PSL Productions PO Box 602 Stn. K Montreal QC Canada H1N 3R2 (514) 256-7936 **I have the D-50 sound set and am quite happy with it. I also have the demo disk and cassette. The disk is in the users library. I will gladly dub the demo tape for any who want to hear it but it is quite bad (not the sounds, but the production)** >Roland: 160 disks, check w/ dealer for availability 7200 Dominion Circle Los Angeles, CA 90040 USA (213) 685-5141 FAX: (213) 722-0911 >Sacks Music: S-50/550 sounds, demo disk $10, brochure $1 1636 Cahuenga Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90028 USA >Studio North: 5 sets, 10 disks/set, $40/set. Call for info P.O. Box 1024 Streetsville P.S. Mississauga, Ont. CANADA L5M 2C5 (416) 822-0234 >Uberschall: $15 per disk, 10 disk set, $120; demo cassette and sound list $8 Dieckbornstr. 5 3000 Hanover 91 Germany 011-49-511-455410 >USB: Universal sound bank, world's largest bank for Roland, Yamaha, and Akai samplers (over 500 original disks). Please write to: USB / Studio JBF 23 rue Poissonniere 75002 Paris, France >Walt Whitney: S-50 sounds, $10/disk P.O. Box 2411 Overland, MO 63114 (314) 429-2858 USA >John Zambrano: Techno Industrial Samples for S-series. Machine sounds, heavy percussion, techno-bass, killer synths, cyber-FX on 5 disks. $45 John Zambrano 2060 Emery Ave, Suite #205 LaHabra, CA 90631 USA <> >Digidesign: Sound Designer Universal for Mac ($395) and Atari ($349); Turbosynth modular synthesis/sample processing software for Mac & Atari, $349; Softsynth for S-50 and S10/MKS-100/S-220 Samplers - Mac and Atari ST (both $295); Sound Designer II for S50/550/330 and S-10/220/MKS-100 (all $995) 1360 Willow Rd., #101 Menlo Park, CA 94025 USA (415) 327-0777 >Eltekon Productions: Overdrive EX2 Hard Drive Systems for S50/550/W30 Sizes/Prices (20/$629, 30/$699, 40/$749, 60/$879, 80/$929, 100/$1514, 120/$1569) 37493 Schoolcraft Rd. Livonia, MI 48150 (313) 462-3155 USA >Interval Music: GenWave waveform editor/translator for Atari $349 12335 Santa Monica Blvd, #244 (12077 Wilshire Blvd, #515) Los Angeles, CA 90025 USA (213) 478-5791 (478-3956) >MGF Music: BOOK-Sampling S-50: A step by step guide... $17 (retail) 11 Lavender Hill Lane Andover, MA 01810 (508) 470-1584 >Passport: alchemy v2.0 sample editing & digital signal processing software w/ lib. for Mac,$695. Sound Apprentice multimedia sample editing & sound designer, w/lib. for Mac $395. (Not available for the W30). 625 Miramontes Half Moon Bay, CA 94019 USA (415) 726-0280 FAX: (415) 726-2254 >ToneGenics: S-50 +8 Output Mod $350, S-50 Hard disk interface Mod $500 P.O. Box 8288 Van Nuys, CA 91409 (818) 786-1177 >Turtle Beach: SampleVision sample editing software for IBM, $349 Box 5074 York, PA 17405 USA (717) 843-6916 FAX: (717) 854-8319 <> >Disk Emporium: S10/220/MKS-100 Libraries, 100+ disks, $39 per 10 disks **IsnUt it odd that Roland sells blank Quick Disks for $5/disk when you can buy presampled QDUs for $3.90/disk ???** 1189 East 14 Mile Rd. Burmingham, MI 48009 (313) 646-2054 USA >PSL: 18 disk set of layered synth textures, $150, $69.95 if disks supplied; 20 disk D-50 sound set, $133, $69.95 if disks supplied; demo cassette & sound list $8 PSL Productions PO Box 602 Stn. K Montreal QC Canada H1N 3R2 (514) 256-7936 >Roland: 11 sample vol., check w/ dealer for availability 7200 Dominion Circle Los Angeles, CA 90040 USA (213) 685-5141 FAX: (213) 722-0911 <> >Digidesign: Sound Designer Universal for Mac ($395) and Atari ($349); Turbosynth modular synthesis/sample processing software for Mac & Atari, $349; Softsynth for S10/MKS-100/S-220 Samplers - Mac and Atari ST (both $295); Sound Designer II for S-10/220/MKS-100 (all $995) 1360 Willow Rd., #101 Menlo Park, CA 94025 USA (415) 327-0777 >R.A. Lieu: S10 Filer.128 S10/220/MKS - 100 sample librarian for Commodore C-128 $45 250 Riverside Drive #45 New York, NY 10025 >Turtle Beach: SampleVision sample editing software for IBM, $349 Box 5074 York, PA 17405 USA (717) 843-6916 FAX: (717) 854-8319 From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Apr 2 13:55:37 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA19233 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Tue, 2 Apr 91 13:55:36 EST Received: by gould.encore.com id AA10756 (5.54/UK-2.1-910329); Tue, 2 Apr 91 13:56:26 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA01748 (5.64/UK-2.1-910329); Tue, 2 Apr 91 13:55:56 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 2 Apr 91 13:55:11 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 2 Apr 91 13:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 2 Apr 91 13:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 2 Apr 91 13:53:18 EST Received: from WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.65/1.25) id AA01582; Tue, 2 Apr 91 10:53:09 -0800 Received: by WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.61++/1.25) id AA27282; Tue, 2 Apr 91 10:53:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 10:53:03 -0800 From: pete%WLBR@wlv.imsd.contel.com (Pete Lyall) Message-Id: <9104021853.AA27282@WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM> To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Third Party Developer List Status: RO The MKS-100 is the rack mount version of the S10... the MKS-220 is essentially the same as an MKS-100, except that it has 4 individual outputs (one for each bank), as opposed to the single output for the MKS-100. There may be a few other minor differences. Pete From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Apr 8 12:38:11 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA01141 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:38:09 EDT Received: by gould.encore.com id AA05642 (5.54/UK-2.1-910404); Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:40:42 EDT Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA09578 (5.64/UK-2.1-910329); Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:40:24 -0400 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:39:21 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:38:00 EDT From: gfd@mtdca.att.com From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: Sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Date: 8 Apr 1991 9:11 EDT Subject: NEW Sgroup Library! Status: RO Here it is folks! I'm back in action after a tumultuous few months. Several new and useful things in the library that you will all love. I have heard that there is a new batch of stuff coming soon. I, myself, will add some pretty nice things this week. Where's Don Tycho?? His legendary guitar disks are now longer overdue than my stuff :-). Spring is in the air! The sun is shining, bird samples are in the tree speakers, samples of wind off of the sampled ocean waves. You get the idea... gfd =============================================================================== Sample List as of 4/8/91 Supplier Instrument Comments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Tycholis Yamaha RX-5* drum machine (complete) Neil Kawai R-100* drum machine (complete) R. Walter Alesis HR-16* drum machine gfd Oberheim Matrix 1000 analog synth (2 full disks). bass sounds, square wave lead, electronic percussion-type sounds (in a kit). Neil Roland D-50 pads (half a disk) gfd Korg M3r (1 disk; others soon) Bass, lead sound, Acoustic Bass layered with conga (very nice). gfd Korg SG-1D sampled grand (1 disk) sampled by a friend. Very interesting stereo effect makes you seem like you're "inside" the piano. very nice. all Miscelaneous guitar shots, CD player fast forwarding, chordal vocal samples, DX rhodes sound, D. Tycholis Assorted Basses bass-type samples from DX7, Steinberger T. Flemming stabs & effects some stereo, brass, orchestral shots. T. Flemming stabs & synths more stabs, korg synths, synth basses. T. Flemming assorted voices speech clips such as "Hit it!", "This is a Journey into Sound" and others. T. Flemming JB samples Assorted James Brown Owws, Yeahs and other-worldy noises. Includes some groove samples. D. Tycholis MC Hammer Samples of raw instrumentals of "U Can't Touch Dis" including some choice quotes. This package includes a sequence disk for the Mac Sequencer "performer" that strings the samples together for an S-550. W. Fox Money Samples from the beginning of Pink Floyd's song _Money_ and some voices. gfd trumpet samples mellow trumpet sound multi-sample. Sampled in my studio. Also hard attack. T. Flemming Alesis HR-16B drum machine (2 disks) (complete). T. Flemming Roland TR808 TR909 drum machines. (1 disk). gfd Roland R8 Rock set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Latin set gfd Roland R8 Ethnic set gfd Roland R8 Electronic set gfd Roland R8 Jazz set (with brushes) gfd Roland R8 Power set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Sound Effects set gfd Roland R8 TR707/505 set gfd Roland R8 Mallet set gfd Korg M3r drum sounds, with new deranged sounds added. Dubbed "George's favorites"! --------------------------*** new releases ***--------------------------- Neil Industrial 1 steel spikes, disk sanders, clangs, bangs and booms. Neil Industrial 2 lawn mowers from hell, doors closing and more. Neil Guitar riffs guitar screeches, chords and riffs. fool your friends! Neil Distorted drums these are some of the noisiest, ugliest, crackliest drum sounds you'll ever meet. Two thumbs up! Direct evidence of Neil's rapidly dementing mind. Neil Proteus 1 - 5 5 disks of Proteus samples. Haven't heard them yet. Eric C. Roland D-110 drum samples. (2 disks) Erik FX sound fx. (shit! I forget what they are! Sorry Erik!). T. Flemming Bolero! A do it yourself kit for Ravel's Bolero. ============================================================================ **** note 4/8/91 Back in action! I have a DAT tape full of Syclavier samples that should find their way the the library within the week. Sorry about all delays. Hopefully, a thing of the past. From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Apr 8 12:38:55 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA01149 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:38:53 EDT Received: by gould.encore.com id AA05649 (5.54/UK-2.1-910404); Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:41:26 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA09609 (5.64/UK-2.1-910329); Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:41:08 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:39:49 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:38:10 EDT From: gfd@mtdca.att.com From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: Sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Date: 8 Apr 1991 9:19 EDT Subject: THE RULES '91!! Status: RO Guidelines always sounded so much nicer... READ THESE BEFORE YOU EVER EVEN ***DREAM*** OF SENDING DISKS... :-) ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 4/8/91) OK, here we go. Some very basic guidelines: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. Access to the S-library depends on your participation alone. A single contribution in earnest to the library will get you access to the entire library. Think of your contribution as the initiation fee. From then on, you can request any disks in the library. Please limit to 10 disks each mailing. 4. I had originally thought of limiting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. However, no samples of better than marginal quality will be rejected regardless of subject matter. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. The SASE should also have YOUR address as the return address. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (201) 957-6392 (weekdays) 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 11. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate (unless you intentionally wish to have a real nasty sound - NEIL!!!!). There really is a difference! 12. Send me e-mail describing what and when you are sending me. 13. Include a list of sounds that you have already gotten from me if applicable. This will eliminate the possibility of you getting the same stuff more than once. 14. Please refrain from sending samples that you have bought from someone else. Not that I'm afraid of getting sued, more so that it's not fair to them. Do your own sampling! 15. Samples can be sent on DAT tape. I have DAT and an easy way of getting DAT data down to the samplers. Of course, don't send 60 minutes worth of samples on DAT, but if there is a stereo sample that you think is exceptional, send it on DAT. All tapes will be returned intact unless otherwise requested. 16. DO NOT send originals. Send me copies of your sounds. You never know what you may get back! :-) 17. Samples must not be used to barter for Iraqi petroleum. =========================== Bonus Request ==================================== Eric C. did me the courtesy of actually printing the names of the disks he wanted on his pre-formatted disk labels. This makes it very clear and very easy for me to know exactly what you want. I wont demand this from all you jokers out there, but, it did speed up the process. A+ for Eric! =========================== Bogus Request ==================================== Someone else included a note that said, among other things, "I hope I have included enough postage...". People who don't send enough postage will receive melted disks. From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Apr 25 07:04:02 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA00349 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Thu, 25 Apr 91 07:03:59 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA20128 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:42:31 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:41:08 EDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: 1-800-BOTHER-GFD Status: RO Sorry about the trouble George (you grumpy old man), I wasn't aware of all the stuff going on. I guess it can be confusing for a member to have a separate moderator and librarian, but that's the way it is... As far as non-net people go, of course it is no trouble to me if they want to trade samples, but I think it's completely up to George whether he wants to deal with them or not. It probably isn't fair to ask him to, considering there is no 'easy' communications route. As far as talking to me, send email! send snail-mail! give me a call! I don't mind. I will post this information for those of you who are interested. Neil Herzinger email: nh0n@andrew.cmu.edu usmail: Apt 47 1 Bayard Rd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 USA phone: (412) 682-7083 [USA] neil From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu May 9 07:44:41 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA17419 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Thu, 9 May 91 07:44:39 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA27380 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Thu, 9 May 91 07:45:48 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 9 May 91 07:44:38 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 9 May 91 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 May 91 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 9 May 91 07:43:06 EDT Received: from UKACRL.BITNET (MAILER@UKACRL) by BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU with PMDF#10110; Thu, 9 May 1991 07:42 EST Received: from RL.IB by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2617; Thu, 09 May 91 12:43:04 BST Received: from RL.IB by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4270; Thu, 09 May 91 12:43:00 BST Received: from falcon by kestrel.Ukc.AC.UK Over Ring with SMTP id aa05737; 9 May 91 12:35 BS Date: Thu, 9 May 91 12:35:45 BST From: "Patrick C.K.Tsang" Subject: Nothing to talk about ? To: sgroup+ Message-Id: <59E87B5EB0000066@BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU> Via: UK.AC.UKC; 9 MAY 91 12:42:56 BST Status: RO >So what's going on in the sampler world? I can't think of anything new to >talk about. Anyone have any questions/comments? >neil Comment : I think one major feature of the S-series samplers that has not yet been discussed in full enough detail in this group, if it ever had been brought to light at all. This being the digital filtering section. When the S-50 was brought out the thing that received most press coverage was the VDU out and the tablet/mouse/remote. What wasn't much talked about (because it wasn't so hip then) was the filtering capabilities. The S-series gave something that the Akai S-900 didn't for the price. This is also why the S-770 can hold it's own against the S-1000 even though it was born late in the race for professional 16-bit, 48KHz sampling. ALL S-series have dynamic filters, something that gave your drum pattern a lively sound that the Akai cannot. (The Synclavier or Fairlight can't either ! Feel proud !) Many people thought that the S-550 was brought out because it was rack-mounted and had twice the memory of the S-50. What then, do you think, made the S-50 so different from the S-330/W-30, that you can't even freely exchange disks between them without convertion ? They have the same memory, similar specifications, same sampling rates, same sonic characters, they can all run their own version of director-S sequencer. Why is a S-330 same as half a S-550 which is twice a S-50, and yet a S-330 is not the same as a racked S-50 ? Roland's answer is that the racks and the workstation runs new software that gives you extra stages in the amplitude and filtering envelopes. What they did not tell you is that the hardware is different anyway. There are parameters in the amplitude and filter pages that are extra in the newer machines because these hardware are capable of producing that sound. Questions : Are we using this capability fully ? Are we using it at all ? We are sampling freaks, but we are also programmers, so there must be, among us, people who really know their stuff about filtering ideas, how to do special effects with their samples but who have not had a chance to voice their ideas. Tell us ! Patrick Tsang Synclavier Programmer From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Thu May 9 18:23:36 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA20090 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Thu, 9 May 91 18:23:33 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA13819 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Thu, 9 May 91 18:24:40 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 9 May 91 18:21:29 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 9 May 91 18:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 May 91 18:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from encore.encore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 9 May 91 18:20:35 EDT Received: by encore.encore.com id AA13744 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Thu, 9 May 91 18:20:30 -0400 From: Don Law Date: Thu, 9 May 91 18:20:30 -0400 Message-Id: <13744.9105092220@encore.encore.com> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: what the... ? Status: RO Yeah - I've been planning to get to this net sample transfer stuff "next month" for about a year now. And I was planning for 1991 to be a sort of Sabbatical year. Ha. Yeah. Right. In case newcomers wonder what "net sample transfer stuff" is, it is some software that I intend to write to allow samples to be transferred like this: Roland S-series <--> IBM PC <--> Unix <--> FTP <--> anything <--> IBM PC <--> somebody else's Roland S-series Maybe late this summer. Our band really needs some good pads, which I hope to get from netland. Meanwhile, my S-10 will faithfully reproduce pig snorts for our band's tune "Dinner with Pigs." Have fun, --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From ARPRAYM@AC.DAL.CA Fri May 10 11:36:44 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA22931 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Fri, 10 May 91 11:36:41 EDT Received: from AC.Dal.Ca by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA05016 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Fri, 10 May 91 11:37:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 May 91 12:37 -0300 From: Ray MacNeil Subject: Re: what the... ? To: dlaw@encore Message-Id: <79B3CC8F6A0F000526@AC.DAL.CA> X-Envelope-To: dlaw@encore.com X-Vms-To: IN%"dlaw@encore.com" Status: RO >Stuff about bands and pig deleted. Yeah, but are you interested in trading some s-10 samples? I'mlooking for someone, (anyone) who is intrested in doing so. Ray From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 10 12:03:29 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA23045 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Fri, 10 May 91 12:03:27 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA05932 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Fri, 10 May 91 12:04:39 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 10 May 91 12:02:47 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 10 May 91 12:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 May 91 12:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Fri, 10 May 91 12:01:03 EDT Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04395 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3.7 for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu); Fri, 10 May 91 10:59:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 May 91 10:59:39 -0500 From: "Derek A. Taubert" Message-Id: <9105101559.AA04395@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Roland disk transfer programs Status: RO To the people working on this: 1) Where did you get the layout of the roland disks? 2) Can you send it to me? I'm rather interested in seeing us able to transfer disk through Internet, and would like to put in my $0.02. I'm a good (modesty) programmer, and I could churn out such a program, if no one else has gotten very far with this. If someone has, I'd still like to know what & where roland is putting onto the disks. Derek From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 10 13:40:03 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA23427 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Fri, 10 May 91 13:40:00 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA08410 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Fri, 10 May 91 13:41:12 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 10 May 91 13:36:31 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 10 May 91 13:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 May 91 13:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Fri, 10 May 91 13:34:49 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.910403) id AA10933; Fri, 10 May 91 13:34:44 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA01235; 10 May 91 13:33:00 EDT (Fri) To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs Message-Id: <9105101332.AA01231@david.UUCP> Date: 10 May 91 13:32:55 EDT (Fri) From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Status: RO I called Roland last year and asked about the format of the Roland disks and they were not able to help me. They said they simply market Roland products in the US and the software support was done in Japan. By the way, I was speaking to technical support. The other suggest would be to create a program that would be ported to various computers that would do a complete MIDI sample dump with the Roland. I also looked into this and it is not a simple request and dump. It requires handshaking as part of the protocol in the form of Requests and Acks with the Roland sampler. My reason for looking into this was that it would be more portable to have the MIDI sample dump of the Roland saved as SYSEX in a Standard Midi File which could then be transfer on the net. I imagine that a utility could be developed to do this. There is another disk format option which is not open to everyone except MAC owners with SuperDrives. There is a utility called DART which understands and can read/write a Roland sample disk for the S-330 format. It does a complete read sector by sector the best I can tell and just writes it back out on a new floppy. As I mentioned, the problem with this is that it limits users with access to a MAC with a superdrive. I honestly feel that the best approach would be to create a utility that can be ported to MAC, PC, etc that would allow uploading and downloading of MIDI sample dump with the Roland sampler. There is a detail spec of this in the back of the Roland S-330 manual. Any takers? David From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 10 14:01:18 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA23991 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Fri, 10 May 91 14:01:16 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA09258 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Fri, 10 May 91 14:02:28 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 10 May 91 13:54:58 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 10 May 91 13:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 May 91 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from encore.encore.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Fri, 10 May 91 13:53:21 EDT Received: by encore.encore.com id AA08914 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Fri, 10 May 91 13:53:22 -0400 From: Don Law Date: Fri, 10 May 91 13:53:22 -0400 Message-Id: <8914.9105101753@encore.encore.com> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs Status: RO > From: "Derek A. Taubert" > Subject: Roland disk transfer programs > > To the people working on this: > > 1) Where did you get the layout of the roland disks? > 2) Can you send it to me? There are some other S-groupers who were looking at reading Roland sound disks from Mac's, but that's not the path I'm taking. I was planning to use a System Exclusive dump to get the sample from the Roland into my PC. The advantages to this: 1) you don't have to know the Roland disk format 2) People like me who have 2.8" disks instead of 3.5" disks could still trade samples with the group. I bought a C compiler and debugger as well as the PC MIDI card driver library from MusicQuest so I could work on this, but it just hasn't made it to the top of my to-do list. If you want to commit to work on this stuff, I might be convinced to loan this stuff to you. This library is MusicQuest specific, but might possibly work on other MPU-401 MIDI interfaces. Here's what needs to be done: 1) Write a C program (or whatever language you want to use) to take a system-exclusive dump from a sampler and store it in a disk file. Write it in such as way that the MIDI interface part is small and isolated so that it can be easily ported to other MIDI platforms. 2) Write another program (which may run on a PC or on Unix - I would use Unix because I hate Ms. DOS) to translate from the SysEx to some standard format that everyone will use to transfer samples and vice versa. Naturally, different S-series samplers will have different SysEx formats, so this program needs to know what it is coming from or going to. Another reason I'd like to do this is because I want to back up all my Roland sound library floppies without having to buy dozens of other floppies. It would be nice just to zap it up to a computer at work and roll it all off on a tar tape. For what it's worth ... --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po3.andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 10 15:41:57 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA24763 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Fri, 10 May 91 15:41:55 EDT Received: from PO3.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA00586 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Fri, 10 May 91 15:43:05 -0400 Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 10 May 91 15:41:01 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 10 May 91 15:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 May 91 15:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Fri, 10 May 91 15:39:04 EDT From: gfd@mtdca.att.com From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@mtdca.att.com Date: 10 May 1991 15:17 EDT Subject: sample dample Status: RO > >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) > > I honestly feel that the best approach would be to create a utility > that can be ported to MAC, PC, etc that would allow uploading and > downloading of MIDI sample dump with the Roland sampler. There is a detail > spec of this in the back of the Roland S-330 manual. My feeling is that it would be better if someone could write a program to simply read in a S-330 disk and create a disk image that could be sent through e-mail. Then have the user get the image down to their PC (or Mac or whatever) and then glom the image to a disk. Easy! :-) > Any takers? NO! gfd From dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Fri May 10 15:44:17 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA24782 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Fri, 10 May 91 15:44:15 EDT Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA00779 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Fri, 10 May 91 15:45:29 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA21501 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3.7 for dlaw@encore.com); Fri, 10 May 91 14:43:59 -0500 From: "Derek A. Taubert" Message-Id: <9105101943.AA21501@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs To: dlaw@encore (Don Law) Date: Fri, 10 May 91 14:43:58 CDT In-Reply-To: <8914.9105101753@encore.encore.com>; from "Don Law" at May 10, 91 1:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > Here's what needs to be done: 1) Write a C program (or whatever language > you want to use) to take a system-exclusive dump from a sampler and > store it in a disk file. Write it in such as way that the MIDI > interface part is small and isolated so that it can be easily ported to > other MIDI platforms. 2) Write another program (which may run on a PC > or on Unix - I would use Unix because I hate Ms. DOS) to translate from > the SysEx to some standard format that everyone will use to transfer > samples and vice versa. Naturally, different S-series samplers will > have different SysEx formats, so this program needs to know what it > is coming from or going to. Ok, well, how much work have you done on the MIDI end of this? I don't see anything else being an obstacle, the format of the file will sort of fall into place when the programming get going. If you could send me (or better yet, tell me where to get a good book on) the work you've done, I'm sure I could take off on this soon. > > Another reason I'd like to do this is because I want to back up all my > Roland sound library floppies without having to buy dozens of other > floppies. It would be nice just to zap it up to a computer at work > and roll it all off on a tar tape. Definitely. From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 10 17:37:34 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA25553 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Fri, 10 May 91 17:37:32 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA05133 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Fri, 10 May 91 17:31:13 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 10 May 91 17:30:11 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 10 May 91 17:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 10 May 91 17:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Fri, 10 May 91 17:28:30 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.910403) id AA24980; Fri, 10 May 91 17:28:06 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA01830; 10 May 91 17:25:50 EDT (Fri) To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: sample dample Message-Id: <9105101725.AA01826@david.UUCP> Date: 10 May 91 17:25:43 EDT (Fri) From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Status: RO From uucp Fri May 10 17:06 EDT 1991 >>From andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+ Fri May 10 17:06:26 1991 remote from osu-cis >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com >To: Sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu >Date: 10 May 1991 15:17 EDT >Subject: sample dample > >> >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) >> >> I honestly feel that the best approach would be to create a utility >> that can be ported to MAC, PC, etc that would allow uploading and >> downloading of MIDI sample dump with the Roland sampler. There is a detail >> spec of this in the back of the Roland S-330 manual. > >My feeling is that it would be better if someone could write a program >to simply read in a S-330 disk and create a disk image that could be >sent through e-mail. Then have the user get the image down to their >PC (or Mac or whatever) and then glom the image to a disk. Easy! :-) > >> Any takers? > > >NO! > >gfd > The problem with disk format route is that it limits people to have a drive that can read/write that format. For example, I am still using a Mac Plus without a superdrive. I have no access to a PC with a 3.5 floppy disk. So if someone were to sent me a sample via e-mail after uuencoding it there would be nothing I could do with it since I would need to be able to write it back out to a Roland 3.5 disk format. Another downside, imagine I have this really cool sample I want to share with everyone. (Hey, it can happen!) With the disk format route I have no way of sending it over the net since I would need the utility to run a computer that supports that kind of drive which I don't have. In other words, the more transportable this thing is the greater the chance for getting more samples from different people. Unless someone wants to develop an RS-232 interface through the MIDI port on the Roland Sampler to allow the direct transfer of the contents of sample memory directly via a kermit a zmodem protocol transfer. (Just kidding about this last part. :-) ) Oh, I don't consider the time it might take 200 seconds (?) to transfer a sample via MIDI from the sampler to the computer a real problem. Especially, when you consider how slow turnaround time is with samples from George. (Just kidding again! He does a fine job.) David From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon May 13 07:36:19 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA02568 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Mon, 13 May 91 07:36:17 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA10824 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Mon, 13 May 91 07:37:38 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 13 May 91 07:32:32 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 13 May 91 07:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 May 91 07:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 13 May 91 07:31:36 EDT Received: from slembe.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 May 1991 13:31:31 +0200 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by slembe.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 13 May 1991 13:31:29 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 May 1991 13:31:29 +0200 Message-Id: <9105131131.AAslembe06140@slembe.ifi.uio.no> To: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: David A. Roth's message of 10 May 91 13:32:55 EDT (Fri) <9105101332.AA01231@david.UUCP> Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs Status: RO There is a similar program for the Atari ST wich simply reads a whole diskette (for instance a S-50 disk) and saves it as a compressed file. If there ain't to many samples on the diskette this could easily be emailed (I can't FTP anything from Oslo). My computer, and also Macs with supra-drives, can run PC-emulators. So the best thing would be to find a similiar application for the IBM-PC! Thomas Flemming "It's better to play with a band than to play with yourself." From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po2.andrew.cmu.edu Mon May 13 13:51:08 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA04381 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Mon, 13 May 91 13:51:03 EDT Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA22471 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Mon, 13 May 91 13:51:30 -0400 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 13 May 91 13:49:31 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 13 May 91 13:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 May 91 13:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub.ucsb.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 13 May 91 13:47:59 EDT Received: from appmag.UUCP by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA02410 sendmail 4.0/UCSB-2.0-sun via UUCP Mon, 13 May 91 10:46:26 PDT for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Received: by appmag.com (smail2.5/td) id AA09998; 13 May 91 08:22:32 PDT (Mon) Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs To: dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Derek A. Taubert) Date: Mon, 13 May 91 8:19:31 PDT In-Reply-To: <9105101559.AA04395@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Derek A. Taubert" at May 10, 91 10:59 am Organization: R&D, Applied Magnetics, Goleta, CA X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Message-Id: <9105130822.AA09998@appmag.com> From: todd@appmag.com (Todd Day) Status: RO %I'm rather interested in seeing us able to transfer disk through Internet, Hmmmm... I kinda forgot all about this. Haven't heard from anyone on this list, and it kinda slipped my mind. I did do some preliminary work in Windows on a PC. I like this approach since it is easy to create menus and display data. However, I'm sure this won't be satisfactory for most. So I was going to write it in such a way that the core routines will be easy to transfer to other machines. Then I was going to release the source code and let others develop it for other machines. Maybe I can do it this weekend. -- Todd Day | todd@appmag.com From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Mon May 13 17:22:04 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA05861 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Mon, 13 May 91 17:22:01 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA02916 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Mon, 13 May 91 17:23:31 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 13 May 91 17:21:31 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 13 May 91 17:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 May 91 17:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uunet.uu.net by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 13 May 91 17:20:16 EDT Received: from lupine.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP (5.61/UUNET-uucp-primary) id AA29966; Mon, 13 May 91 17:20:11 -0400 Received: from hansen.com by lupine.ncd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15155; Mon, 13 May 91 14:14:48 PDT Received: by hansen.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA15826; Mon, 13 May 91 14:17:28 PDT Date: Mon, 13 May 91 14:17:28 PDT From: boutin@ncd.com (Paul Boutin) Message-Id: <9105132117.AA15826@hansen.com> To: nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu%uunet@uunet.uu.net Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Neil Anthony Herzinger's message of Mon, 13 May 91 16:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Roland disk drives are total.. Status: RO Neil, is it possible that you do something different as the performance approaches which causes the increased failure rate? Could it be that you notice the failures more before a performance? Of course it could just be Poisson processes, aka Bad Luck. Now I remember why I like playing bass :). Paul Boutin Network Computing Devices 1000 Escalon Ave #3116 350 North Bernardo Ave Sunnyvale CA 94086 Mountain View CA 94043 408 738 8463 415 691 2115 boutin@ncd.com boutin@mit.edu From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po3.andrew.cmu.edu Tue May 14 09:20:27 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA08422 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Tue, 14 May 91 09:20:25 EDT Received: from PO3.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA22476 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Tue, 14 May 91 09:21:51 -0400 Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 14 May 91 09:20:00 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 14 May 91 09:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 May 91 09:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Tue, 14 May 91 09:18:35 EDT From: gfd@mtdca.att.com From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@mtdca.att.com Date: 14 May 1991 8:54 EDT Subject: Roland drives Status: RO > Neil, is it possible that you do something different as the performance > approaches which causes the increased failure rate? Like using your S-50 as a picnic table during thunderstorms? Jamming wads of stale onion dip in the drive, are we? Using it as a step stool to reach your breakfast cereal in the morning? If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, I don't see why you're having any trouble... :-) Actually, I had a similar problem once. The problem was, I was using the really high density disks and the Roland drive apparently does not like them. Could this be it? George "DSDD" Demarest From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue May 14 10:13:04 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA08687 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Tue, 14 May 91 10:13:01 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA23960 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Tue, 14 May 91 10:14:29 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 14 May 91 10:12:16 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 14 May 91 10:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 May 91 10:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tut.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 14 May 91 10:11:12 EDT Received: from att.att.com by tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.910403) id AA19054; Tue, 14 May 91 10:11:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9105141411.AA19054@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> From: wbf@cbema.att.com Date: Tue, 14 May 91 09:21 EDT To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Status: RO Subject: Director-S > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > I have a question- Does anyone use the director S sequencer and what is it > like? I'm mainly just curious as I use Performer on the mac for my > sequencing. Can you load sounds in while the sequecing software is installed? > neil I use Director-S sequencing software on my S-550. Like drum machines, it is pattern based. You make short patterns and then describe a list of patterns to make a song. I use it because it allows me to run the live rig without a computer running sequencing software. One drawback is that each pattern is limited to 300 events. This had forced me to divide songs into 4 and many time 2 measure patterns whenever the orchestration and/or controllers get dense. Despite this, I've had great success with it. To use it, go into the disk menu and do a change system. You can still load and store sounds but you have to change system back for a sampling session. That's OK for me as sampling and sequencing sessions are usually separate events. Of course, you must stop everything else to load sounds or songs, then go back to sequence playing or creating. You can't do both at once a la Ensoniq EPS but you don't have to change system, either. Bill Fox cbema!wbf From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Tue May 14 13:37:35 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA09576 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Tue, 14 May 91 13:37:32 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.com with SMTP id AA04601 (5.64/UK-2.1-910410); Tue, 14 May 91 13:39:03 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 14 May 91 13:37:32 EDT Received: via switchmail; Tue, 14 May 91 13:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 May 91 13:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 14 May 91 13:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax.3 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.vax_3; Tue, 14 May 91 13:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 May 91 13:36:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: Roland disk drives are total.. Status: RO >Neil, is it possible that you do something different as the performance >approaches which causes the increased failure rate? Could it be that you >notice the failures more before a performance? Of course it could just be >Poisson processes, aka Bad Luck. Actually, when I set up the confidence interval across a uniform distribution curve, I planned...... (yikes, thought I was done with statistics). Maybe I sweat more, and this gets into the drive? >Like using your S-50 as a picnic table during thunderstorms? Jamming >wads of stale onion dip in the drive, are we? Using it as a step stool >to reach your breakfast cereal in the morning? Hey, hey, hey, only two out of the three alright? Those couldn't possibly affect the drive, could they?!? Seriously, the drive must really damage the disks, 'cause when I bring them over to my mac and try to initialize them, it always fails... maybe it's time to invest in a good hard drive for the S50... neil From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jun 17 06:10:51 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA00245 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Mon, 17 Jun 91 06:10:47 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA18345 (5.64/UK-2.1-910614); Mon, 17 Jun 91 01:42:47 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 17 Jun 91 01:41:18 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 17 Jun 91 01:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 17 Jun 91 01:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 17 Jun 91 01:39:16 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.910403) id AA01643; Mon, 17 Jun 91 01:39:08 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA03677; 17 Jun 91 01:31:17 EDT (Mon) To: cis.ohio-state.edu!osu-cis!att!blink!midi, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: HYPERCARD listing of the Roland library? Message-Id: <9106170131.AA03673@david.UUCP> Date: 17 Jun 91 01:31:12 EDT (Mon) From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Status: RO (Yet another request from the Roland sampler clan.) Has anyone taken the listing of all the samples and cataloged them as a Hypercard program? I know that not all of the samples i.e. "steamer" would be found in a search for calliope but it could happen! I'm figuring that if there was something like a Hypercard program that listed all the Roland disks along with what is on each disk with some notes and other keywords that could be added to each sample and that disk or collection of disks. I know that Hypercard is really for MAC users but I figure if the data was made available to the rest of the sgroup that it would be used to create other shell, awk, c programs and with a common ASCII data format it could be exchanged. It would be nice to have others experience with samples and comments documented. What do you say kids? All we need is a barn and we can put on a show! David PS: I'm going to post this request to the net and the MMML to see if anyone else has come up with something like this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _TT /| |~ >====ttt===< | O| |~ {_|||_} \| O| david!david@CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU uunet!abvax!osu-cis!david!david From CompuServ: send >internet:david@david.uucp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Jun 19 10:06:12 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA03537 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Wed, 19 Jun 91 10:06:09 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA12940 (5.64/UK-2.1-910614); Wed, 19 Jun 91 10:12:37 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 19 Jun 91 10:10:24 EDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 19 Jun 91 10:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 Jun 91 10:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 Jun 91 10:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.0.1.705.MacMail.0.9.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Wed, 19 Jun 91 10:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Jun 91 10:08:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: HYPERCARD listing of the Roland library? Cc: In-Reply-To: <9106171332.AA06058@david.UUCP> References: <9106171332.AA06058@david.UUCP> Status: RO >I'm wondering if a alot of this info couldn't be read entire from the >Roland Sample disk themself. Reading the directory info from the disk >along with alot of this stuff would give us a great start. Then we >could fill in the blanks. Well, I wouldn't be able to do it this way (lack of knowledge) so if someone else was up for it... I still wouldn't mind doing it the manual way though, as it would be quite useful to myself. >Don't forget that IBM users who use TOOLBOOK would also be able to use >the Hypercard stack. That makes it even more worthwhile in my opinion. neil From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Sun Jul 14 01:49:19 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA17276 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Sun, 14 Jul 91 01:49:15 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA16586 (5.64/UK-2.1-910614); Sun, 14 Jul 91 01:51:06 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sun, 14 Jul 91 01:48:27 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 14 Jul 91 01:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 14 Jul 91 01:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sun, 14 Jul 91 01:47:28 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.910703) id AA06738; Sun, 14 Jul 91 01:47:23 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA07917; 14 Jul 91 01:43:46 EDT (Sun) To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Ultimate Sample Organizer Message-Id: <9107140143.AA07913@david.UUCP> Date: 14 Jul 91 01:43:42 EDT (Sun) From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Status: RO Hi Gang! If you recall we were talking about using something like a Hypercard program to create a sample organizer. I came across this on my MAC that I download from PAN a while ago but didn't get a chance to check it out because I don't have Filemaker. In any event, here is the "Manual" for the Disk Labeler. Since the author has accounts on PAN and Compuserv I sent the author e-mail offering them to be added to the sgroup mailing list if they wish and if there has been any improvements made to the Disk Labeler or methods. As you can read at the end of the manual it is based on an article published in the Feb/89 issue of EM. Anyone know what Filemaker costs? Some want to take a stab at creating this as a Hypercard program? If someone is interested in I have the back issue published in EM which I could postal mail a photocopy of it to the would-be Hypercard programmer. David osu-cis!david!david uunet!abvax!osu-cis!david!david =======================CUT HERE============================== ** Disk Labeler - (Filemaker II Template) Version 1.0 ** February 27, 1989 Cyrus Fenton HUMMINGBIRD - PAN 76056,1757 - Compuserve (615) 298-5096 Comments/Criticism are welcome and wanted. GENERAL: The purpose of this template is to organize and keep track of the multitude of 3 1/2" floppy disks that are the blessing and the curse of Mac enthusiasts, musicians and many others. This template requires Filemaker II by Claris (or Filemaker IV by Nashoba - they are the same program), a Macintosh computer, and an Imagewriter II. It uses regular 8 1/2 x 11 paper for the report print outs and it uses tractor-feed disk labels (2 3/4 x 2 3/4) available inexpensively from Budgetbytes (or other forms suppliers.) These instructions will assume that the user is familiar with the Filemaker II program. FIELDS: The fields are the following: DISK NAME DISK CONTENTS 1-8 DISK CONTENTS 9-16 MACHINE TYPE PRINTED? DISK FAMILY DISK TYPE DISK NUMBER FAMILY NUMBER DISK DESCRIPTION "Disk Name" is fairly obvious. It is the name of your disk. If you have no name, then don't worry about it (though with large libraries, it's easier to remember individual disks if they are named). I broke "Disk Contents" fields up into two parts primarily because the Roland S-550 breaks it up that way. If you don't want it to be broken up, just get rid of the "9-16" and pull the "1-8" field over to replace it. The lines on the disk label will stay in place. "Machine Type" tells you which machine the disk goes to (Mac Computer, Roland S550, Akai S900, EMAX, etc). Currently, it is automatically entering "Roland S-550", but you can change this easily by using the "Entry Options" section of the "Define" option under the "Select" menu in Filemaker. "Printed? " is usually used as a Find field. I use it to seperate the newly entered disks from the older ones that have been printed. This field is automatically entering "No", because any new record is probably not been printed. Again, this can be easily changed by you if necessary. After I have printed all my labels, I do a global replace (command "=") and replace all the "Printed?" fields with "yes". This way, I can find all my previously entered (and labeled) disks and leave them out of the next print batch. "Disk Family" automatically brings up a list that includes: Brass Woodwinds Strings Keyboards Percussion Tuned Percussion Combination SFX Most of these are self explanitory. Combination is a designation for any disks that have a variety of samples on them. I use the "Disk Family" field to specify the large groups that the samples fall into. This field might be less useful for labeling things other than samplers. It also is one part of the calculation field "Family Number." All lists are defined in the "Entry Options" section of the "Define" option under the "Select" menu. The "Disk Family" list is easily customized by you for your setup, or it can be turned completely off. It's best, however, to leave the list on, for it provides you with a list of consistant "keywords" that you will need if you want to do any sorting or finding. "Disk Type" automatically brings up a list that includes: Orchestral Acoustic Pop Ethnic Synth Electric Funky Ethereal Bass Outdoors Weird These are strictly only what I use to break down my large groups of samples. You can use whatever scheme you choose, and you can change or turn off the list as is described under "Disk Family." Again, it is best to the leave the list on, so you can have a consistant list of "keywords" for when you do your sorts and finds. If you find that you are often using a keyword that is not on the list, do yourself a favor and add it to the list. "Disk Number" and "Family Number" go hand in hand. The reason for having both the numbers (and apparent redundancy) was that I wanted to be able to number (and store) my disks by family, and be able to slot in new disks without completely disturbing the existing numbering system. The way I did this was to give each disk a number that corresponded to its family. If there are 10 disks in the "Brass" family, then I would number them 1-10. If there are 8 disks in the "Keyboard" family, then I would number them 1-8, etc. I then created a calculation field that would take the first three letters of the family and combine them with the "Disk Number" to create the "Family Number." So, our "Brass" family disks would be named BRA001, BRA002, etc. and our "Keyboard" family disks would be named KEY001, KEY002, etc. For me, this system has proved to be very successful. When I go to number the disks, I just sort by "Disk Family" first, then by "Disk Number". Then I can give any new disks the the next consectutive number. One prolem with Filemaker is that it doesn't allow you to format a number with zeros in front of it. For example, if you type "001", it will give you back "1". I really wanted the zeros, so for all my numbers, I type "10xx", xx being the number of the disk. I have set the calculation field up to read only the first 3 numbers from the right. The result is that when I type "1001" into the "Disk Number" field, the "Family Number" field picks up "001", hence the zero problem is solved. If you want to change this format of numbering, and you are having trouble manipulating the text calculation fields, leave me a note on PAN, or CIS, or call me at home, and I will try to help you with it. Also, if anyone has a more eloquent solution to these problems, please send me a note as to your ideas. LAYOUTS: The template is divided up into 5 layouts, accessible through the scripts menu or manually in the layout mode. The first layout is a long form that provides access to all fields. The second layout is a short form that is primarily for speedy data entry. The third and fourth layouts are intended for viewing the entire library in list form. The fifth layout is the label layout. The first layout includes fields for disk name, rating, family and type, disk number and family number, machine type, a sorting field called "printed?", disk contents, and a comments section. The second layout duplicates the first, but has no comments section. The third layout has only the disk name, type, and family, the disk number, the family number, and the rating. This layout is useful for creating lists of your disk library. The fourth layout is a columnar layout that includes the disk name and type, the family number, the rating and the machine type. This will provide you a list of all your disks for your reference. PRINTING: The last little bit here is on printing the labels. Be prepared to use a few labels getting the alignment right. Filemaker will not print on the first label before you have started a print job. I don't know why, but it won't. I usually line up the labels 1/4 to 1/2 inches to the right (as you are looking at the top of the machine) of the paper mark on the back of the Imagewriter II. I start with the left hand tractor slid as far to the right as it will go (only about 3/4 of an inch). After that, I feed the labels in and I put the leading edge (the top) of the first one in line with the print head. This should not foul the printer, as Filemaker ejects this label anyway. Then I adjust it and print, adjust and print, until I get it the way I want it. Remember to only print the current record for your tests. The program prints the label so the disks are sitting shutters down. It prints the "Machine Type" on the back of the disk. It prints the "Disk Name" and the "Family Number" on the top spine of the disk. It prints the "Disk Name", "Family Number", "Disk Contents", "Machine Type" and "Disk Type" on the front of the label. It will print library listings. It will print full reports on each disk, including all information (with or without comments). You can sort by family, type, and rating. By using both the Find and Sort features, you can pull out only the Orchestral Keyboard (or others) samples, or only the Orchestral type samples, regardless of the family. The one thing that this database does not do well is deal with the individual samples. Look for something upcoming in about a month or two that will deal with the sounds themselves and will (hopefully) interface with this template. I know that I haven't covered all there is to cover in this little manual, but hopefully it will get you going and able to use this template that I have found so helpful. Any comments and/or suggestions are very welcome! BTW - If the family and type lists look familiar, I must admit that I took them straight out of Craig Anderton's article on sampling in the February 1989 Electronic Musician (the one with the hummingbird on it!). In fact, that's where this whole idea came from! Thanks Craig! Happy Disk Labeling! CY From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po3.andrew.cmu.edu Wed Jul 24 05:13:06 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA03987 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Wed, 24 Jul 91 05:13:02 EDT Received: from PO3.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA25018 (5.64/UK-2.1-910710); Wed, 24 Jul 91 05:15:07 -0400 Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 24 Jul 91 05:12:13 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 24 Jul 91 05:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 24 Jul 91 05:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 24 Jul 91 05:11:48 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.910703) id AA10768; Wed, 24 Jul 91 05:11:48 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA01495; 24 Jul 91 05:09:15 EDT (Wed) To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: FORWARDED MAIL FOLLOWS... Message-Id: <9107240509.AA01491@david.UUCP> Date: 24 Jul 91 05:09:11 EDT (Wed) From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Status: RO Subject: Re: Sampling using the Roland S330, HEEEELP! Newsgroups: rec.music.synth In-Reply-To: <1991Jul19.112438.723@axion.bt.co.uk> Organization: Columbus, Ohio U.S.A. Cc: Message-Id: <9107240503.AA01472@david.UUCP> Date: 24 Jul 91 05:03:07 EDT (Wed) From: david@david.UUCP (David A. Roth) I've already sent a reply to the poster telling him about the 'sgroup'. Meanwhile, I thought you of one might have some info on-line you could e-mail to him. David In article <1991Jul19.112438.723@axion.bt.co.uk> you write: > >After crowing on about samplers to various people for the past years, I >finally put money out and bought a Roland S330. The library disks sounded >good; strange bells, gongs, chirps, insect noises, and things which go clang >and sport strange Japanese names! The pianos sounded good enough for me to >consider selling things like the EMT10 which has done me well for the last >couple of years. What would be nice is to take the guitar, strings, choir and >upright bass off the EMT10 and onto the S330. > >Choir first, sent out a note-on message with suitable velocity, long sustained >note ... should be easy! Manual sample capture ... OK. Playback, GIGO, sounded >just what I wanted, while it lasted. OK go to the loop page set a couple of >loop points, set up the TVF/TVA and envelopes, then move to the next sample >and repeat the procedure. Those words were easy to type in, or say. At best I >was getting clicks, even after a long time spent on gathering a series of >samples of the same, and repeats of the same, steady note. At worst I ended up >with a group of demented Daleks around the sample key, and an excellent >screaming Leslie a couple of octaves up! > >I dread the guitar as it is a decaying envelope and there is no real sustained >part to speak of. One ray of hope, a TR505 and an RX11 sampled really well, >but they were all one shots and no looping was involved! > >I know the theory of doing it, and the techniques to follow to get good >results. It's the first time I've actually tried to put these into practice. >If anyone can give practical advice on using the thing I would be grateful, >probably best via EMail unless sufficient people fancy a net discussion. > >An encoded disk of choir samples wouldn't go amiss ;-) > >BTW running strings on an S330 disk reveals 'Hacker mode'! Anyone come across >this feature? I was interested in putting S330 disks into my Sun386 and then >printing out the patch and tone parameters. > >Andy > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Andy Gray Software Technology Division, SSTF/306, British Telecom > Research Labs., Martlesham Heath, Ipswich IP5 7RE, U.K. > Tel: +44 473 646647 e-mail: agray@axion.bt.co.uk From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Jul 25 09:27:57 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA08579 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Thu, 25 Jul 91 09:27:50 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA00240 (5.64/UK-2.1-910710); Thu, 25 Jul 91 09:30:08 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 25 Jul 91 09:27:15 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 25 Jul 91 09:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 25 Jul 91 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 25 Jul 91 09:25:34 EDT Received: from att.att.com by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.910703) id AA09646; Thu, 25 Jul 91 09:25:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9107251325.AA09646@news.cis.ohio-state.edu> From: wbf@cbema.att.com Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 08:46 EDT To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Status: RO Subject: Color Modulator for S550!!!! > > From watdragon.waterloo.edu!jmsellens > > Wed Jul 24 15:03:17 0400 1991 remote from att > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 15:03:17 -0400 > From: "John M. Sellens" > Message-Id: <9107241903.AA06836@watdragon.waterloo.edu> > To: wbf@cbema.att.com > Subject: color modulator for S550?? > > | From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jul 23 16:46:33 1991 > | From: wbf@cbema.att.com > | To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu > | Subject: S-550 display > | > | Hi Ray, > | > | Your problem may be that you're trying to put composite video into > | an antenna input. You'll have to modulate it to rf first. I'm sure Radio > | Shack, a video game store, or a computer store in your area will have > | something suitable. You can feed an rf modulator from the RCA b&w output > | of the S550. I'm also sending you a (long) file of some early discussions > | from this mailing list about a color modulator for $99.00 (US). > | > | Bill Fox > > Will this color modulator take the DB9 from the S550 and produce > a composite video signal in color? If so, I'd much appreciate any > information you could give me. > > Thanks very much! > > John Sellens > jmsellens@watdragon.waterloo.edu > Hi John, Don't you mean the digital RGB output DIN connector? Rather than resending the entire set of conversations on this topic that transpired on this list, I'll just reproduce my response here. If there are enough requests, I will repost that old conversation. Bill Fox ------------------------------------------------------ Hi S-groupers! Many thanks to all who've responded to my recent postings. Here's an update of where I stand. The STV I is out of production and the STV II is still only $99.95. Add $7.00 UPS to Ohio and I'm getting a cashier's check tonight for $106.95 to send to: PBC 11026 West Washington Blvd. Culver City, California 90230 (213) 838-6841 PBC doesn't accept plastic or personal checks (which sometimes are rubber). They designed this box expressly to go with Roland samplers because the samplers put out negative vertical sync. Everything else PBC sells is designed elsewhere as they're basically a distributor. Bill Fox From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Wed Sep 4 22:45:51 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA01349 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Wed, 4 Sep 91 22:45:48 EDT Received: from [128.2.10.105] by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA02765 (5.64/UK-2.1-910826); Wed, 4 Sep 91 22:48:53 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for henrik@eddie.mit.edu; Wed, 4 Sep 91 17:11:40 EDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 4 Sep 1991 17:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 4 Sep 1991 17:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 4 Sep 1991 17:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.0.1.873.MacMail.0.9.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 4 Sep 1991 17:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1991 17:05:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Fwd: help References: <9109041903.AA29135@gateway.bnr.ca> Status: RO This is a new member of the sgroup, he's got a lot of questions, so help him out! neil Date: 4 Sep 91 15:02:00 EDT To: From: Matt (M.) Cohen Subject: re: help Sender: Matt (M.) Cohen HI Neil, As an avid S-50 owner and fan I am definately interested in trading samples & techniques. For one thing, I am dying to get sample data back & forth from my PC to the S50 disk. I have a 386sx with a MQX-32 MIDI card, and I run Texture 3.2. I have tried sending the sysex sample dump request but I guess I don't have the addresses or checksum right.... I don't have a librarian program but am interested in writing a real simple one. Right now I am trying to figure out how to generate MIDI files to import into TEXTURE. I am interested in whatever areas you are working with using your S50/550, especially sysex communication (Texture doesn't do SYSEX!!!) Hope to be corresponding with you further... - Matt From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Fri Sep 6 22:49:51 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA07458 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Fri, 6 Sep 91 22:49:48 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA03004 (5.64/UK-2.1-910826); Fri, 6 Sep 91 22:53:29 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Fri, 6 Sep 91 22:50:01 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 6 Sep 1991 22:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Sep 1991 22:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for nh0n+; Fri, 6 Sep 91 22:49:04 EDT Received: from Brookside.OSBU_South.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <12187>; Fri, 6 Sep 1991 19:48:43 PDT X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA001122BB5F2C8B Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1991 19:48:35 PDT From: Donald_C._Tycholis.escp10@xerox.com Subject: Re: sysex help To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Reply-To: Donald_C._Tycholis.escp10@xerox.com Message-Id: <" 6-Sep-91 19:48:35 PDT".*.Donald_C._Tycholis.escp10@Xerox.com> Status: RO Received: by peregrine.CP10WS (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA05096; Fri, 6 Sep 91 19:47:55 PDT << Yawn, sneeze, grump, scuze me...I've been sleeping for the last year but I guess it's time to wake up, duty calls and all that...geeze, this must be serious, Neil is calling for help again 8-) Neil, I lost Matt's original posting so please forward if he is not on the SGroup list, thanks >> Matt, The S50/550 do not respond to the standard "MIDI sample dump" sysex command, if that is what you tried to send. In order to read/write sample data from these machines, one must read/write the memory of the S50/550 directly at the proper locations. OBTW it is a royal pain to figure out how to do this since the addressing scheme in the machines is bizarre, and the data is stored in octal format (12-bits, remember), and the sysex command limitations prevent you from using the upper bit of a byte so one has to munge the data and play around with the Roland data formats, etc. Refer to the back of the S50/550 manual for the details on this ugliness (at least my S550 manual has this info). Before you run screaming into the night (like I did) after perusing this section of your manual, take comfort in the fact that there *is* some useful source code floating around on the net which you can study to get a feel for how it is done. If my memory is not totally corroded, there was some sort of Librarian which contained some code to transfer samples to/from a Roland D110 (Does anyone have a copy of that nice Roland D110 librarian code handy? I wish I could remember who wrote it, a nice chap from the UK as I recall who was very active on the rec.synth newsgrou). This sample code is very portable, clean, and illustrates the basic concepts necessary to communicate with all Roland devices via sysex (including the checksum and Roland sysex read/write command structure). The major change in adapting to the S50/550 is figuring out the memory mapping of the octal data. It's been a while since I've had a chance to mess with this kind of thing so I can't quickly provide further detail (ok, someone else can jump in now and help Matt out? 8-). Regards, tycho ---------------------- DTycholis.escp10@xerox.com ----- End Included Message ----- From nh0n+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Mon Sep 9 15:43:26 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA02318 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Mon, 9 Sep 91 15:43:23 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA22302 (5.64/UK-2.1-910826); Mon, 9 Sep 91 15:44:37 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 9 Sep 91 15:39:54 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 9 Sep 1991 15:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Sep 1991 15:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 9 Sep 91 15:37:37 EDT From: Received: by att.att.com; Mon Sep 9 10:57:48 EDT 1991 Received: from bukkeholet.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Mon, 9 Sep 1991 17:01:46 +0200 Original-From: Thomas Flemming Received: by bukkeholet.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 9 Sep 1991 17:01:43 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1991 17:01:43 +0200 Message-Id: <9109091501.AAbukkeholet04679@bukkeholet.ifi.uio.no> To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@att.att.com Subject: Muting long samples! Status: RO Here's a tip on how to mute/un-mute long samples with the filters. If you've heard songs like `Pump up the volume` with M/A/R/R/S you can hear an effect when they rytmically mute and unmute long samples ,like a long reverb trumpet tone or a scream. This effect is usually made either manually pressing the mute button in and out like DJ's do when they transform mixes, or by using a mixer with MIDI-muting. Since I ain't got an automated mixer (I actually ain't got one at all) I've tried to do the same on my W-30. First I simply tried to turn the volume on and off on the MIDI-channel, but it reacts far to slow. Another thing is that the software tend to make a slope between the different volume levels. So instead i tried the filter, and it works extremely well. I used the aftertouch to vary the filter cutoff level on the MIDI-channel. (Rember to set Channel Aftertouch on). Then I adjusted the tone with the TVF so that everything was filtered out/muted when the aftertouch is pressed, and so that nothing is filterd out when no aftertouch is pressed. Now I could mute/unmute by pressing hard on one key with no tone assigned to it. Afterwards I used the event editor in the sequencer to send aftertouch-messages at level 127 or 0 whenever I wanted the sound effect to be muted or unmuted. It's fun to play strings while the keyboard mutes the MIDI-channel every 16th note. Add some drums and you sound like ZZ-Top. It's like having the keyboard doing real-time quantising. If anybody is intersted I'll mail the exact tone and patch parameter, or if someone owns a W-30 we can swap disks. Thomas 'loopmaster' Flemminginginginginginging From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Sep 10 22:49:51 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA07766 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Tue, 10 Sep 91 22:49:49 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA08232 (5.64/UK-2.1-910826); Tue, 10 Sep 91 22:51:07 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 10 Sep 91 22:47:15 EDT Received: via switchmail; Tue, 10 Sep 1991 22:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Sep 1991 22:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Sep 1991 22:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Tue, 10 Sep 1991 22:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1991 22:45:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: Status: RO >>>I recently picked up a Roland Juno-106, a nice analog and MIDI keyboard. Allright Bill! We now have similar setups. The juno is my oldest keyboard, but I'd never dump it, its a lot of fun. One suggestion I have is to not sample with the Juno's stereo chorus on, as that complicates the waveform. You can use the samplers 'Unison' patch feature and detune the second voice to add chours. The sound will not be the exact same, but it still usually sounds good. Another thing I notice is that if you sample too high (or too low) the sound sounds ok for a few octaves, but loses quality when it is interpolated a great distance. The best thing to overcome is trying to make it sound exactly like the juno, but make it sound good on its own nonetheless. Help any? I hope :-P neil From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Sep 18 09:49:38 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA05908 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Wed, 18 Sep 91 09:49:36 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA04823 (5.64/UK-2.1-910826); Wed, 18 Sep 91 12:12:07 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 18 Sep 91 12:07:50 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 18 Sep 1991 12:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Sep 1991 12:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 18 Sep 91 12:05:23 EDT Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.910703) id AA17148; Wed, 18 Sep 91 11:34:02 -0400 Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA02397; 18 Sep 91 11:23:22 EDT (Wed) To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Sound Library Message-Id: <9109181123.AA02393@david.UUCP> Date: 18 Sep 91 11:23:18 EDT (Wed) From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Status: RO I just checked it on my Mac. The screen designs look GREAT! I like the main help page. I think the group picture of the cartoon family with the phrase is really hip!!! Not to mention the picture of yourself in sunglasses. The program looks good. Everything is on one screen which is ideal. This is going to be really useful, like being able to search for a certain cymbal sound that has a size of ".4" sample memory because that's all the memory you have left. I might be jumping ahead to fast but I can see added some of the MIDI XCMDs to this to be able to store little MIDI passages to audition sounds. Like after you find the disk from using this program to search you could pop it in the drive and click the "audition" button and it would play a few quick passages for each sample to give an idea of it's most popular usage. I do remember seeing some hypercard MIDI routines floating around. If you need specific help with hypercard programming you might want to post to that newsgroup. Before I forget...I am using hypercard 1.2.1 (an old version) and it worked fine. Congrads are in order for taking action and doing it! David From nh0n+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Tue Sep 24 18:14:21 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA16508 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Tue, 24 Sep 91 18:14:17 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA27216 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Tue, 24 Sep 91 18:18:56 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Tue, 24 Sep 91 18:14:21 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 24 Sep 1991 18:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Sep 1991 18:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Tue, 24 Sep 91 18:12:15 EDT From: gfd%mtdca@att.att.com From: g.f.demarest@att.att.com To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@att.att.com Date: 24 Sep 1991 16:39 EDT Subject: gfd moving on Status: RO This to let the group know that I am changing jobs and connectivity will be changed for me before long. All mail, until further notice should be send to attmail!gdemarest. Keep those cards and letters coming. gfd From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po3.andrew.cmu.edu Wed Sep 25 14:57:03 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA19906 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Wed, 25 Sep 91 14:56:59 EDT Received: from PO3.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA06042 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Wed, 25 Sep 91 15:01:35 -0400 Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 25 Sep 91 14:56:33 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 1991 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Sep 1991 14:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 25 Sep 91 14:54:13 EDT Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.3) id ; Wed, 25 Sep 91 11:47 PDT Received: by puddle.fidonet.org (mailout1.26); Wed, 25 Sep 91 10:33:31 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Sep 91 16:15:00 PDT Message-Id: <7660.28E0C86B@puddle.fidonet.org> From: Scot.Art@f909.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Scot Art) Subject: Roland Samplers To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu X-Mailer: mailout v1.26 released Status: RO > From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) > To: Scot.Art@f634.n712.z3.fidonet.org > Date: 18 Sep 91 17:17:56 EDT (Wed) > > Hi! Got your mail. If you are not already on the > mailing list you might > want to join the SGROUP which is a mailing list for > users of Roland Samplers. Hi there. I'm interested in the Sgroup, as I use a Roland S-330, in fact I used to work for Roland Australia. Anyway, I can be emailed on any of the following: scot.art@f634.n712.z3.fidonet.org scotart@peg.apc.org scot.art@f909.n712.z3.fidonet.org Please send info soon. Thanks, Scot. -- uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!3!712!909!Scot.Art Internet: Scot.Art@f909.n712.z3.fidonet.org From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Sat Sep 28 16:29:05 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA02196 (5.54/UK-2.1-910315); Sat, 28 Sep 91 16:29:02 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA18141 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Sat, 28 Sep 91 16:33:59 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sat, 28 Sep 91 16:28:31 EDT Received: via switchmail; Sat, 28 Sep 1991 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 28 Sep 1991 16:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 28 Sep 1991 16:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sat, 28 Sep 1991 16:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1991 16:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: Neil Anthony Herzinger Resent-To: Sgroup Return-Path: From: Henry A Kolari Message-Id: <199109281046.AA16555@jyu.fi> Subject: Re: Roland mailing list To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Neil Anthony Herzinger) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 91 13:46:50 EET DST In-Reply-To: ; from "Neil Anthony Herzinger" at Sep 27, 91 10:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Status: RO > >We maintain a users sample library, that is unfortunatly not on-line. Trading >is done through the mail. All users have access to the library and are >encouraged to contribute interesting custom samples. >Interested? > >neil > Hello! I am interested in exchanging sounds with Sgroup. I have included a little list of my sounddisks for W-30 & S-50. I'm also interested in doing new sounds to someones demands (I think I can create any kind of sound that you want). For example I have simulated Qsound system and made real 3-D drumset to a Finnish discoband. Now I'm working on percussion instruments and speech. A bad thing is that if some wants me to make sounds for him, I must charge him for that (because I spend lots of hours doing sounds, and time is money for me). If there is any interesting sounddisks in my list (so, that they could be included to Sgroup's soundlib- rary), please make a list of those disks and mail it to me. Nearly all sounds are selfmade, only a couple of disks are from Roland's original samplelibrary (ofcourse I have modified those sounds somehow, so that they are a bit different). Note! This list consists of disks, NOT of sounds!! If you want to know what a certain disk holds, please ask me about it. I haven't made a good samplelist yet (it would be a looooonggg list and I don't have that much time to write it now (maybe soon)). Note! Sounds are separated to 6 categories (ie. PercussionInstruments is a category consisting of percussion sounds and Indian Per- cussion is a disk full of Indian percussion sounds)!!! Some people have it hard to understand this, but I know that you will get it right....:) Roland S-50, W-30 (compatible to S-series samplers) --------------------------------------------------- 1) PercussionInstruments: Latin-American Percussion (Cuban & Brazilian) Indian Percussion Humanic Percussion Domestical Percussion 2) DrumInstruments: a)Acoustic Drumsets: E-mu Proteus Drums Roland R-8 Drums E-mu SP-12 & Linn Drums Korg M1 Drums PowerDrums 1: "Gate-city" Assorted BassDrums (this disk contains only BassDrum-samples) Assorted Snares (only SnareDrum-samples) Assorted Toms & Timbales Assorted Cymbals b)Analog Drumsets: Roland CR-78 Drums ("Phil Collins"-drums) Roland TR-808 Drums & Electronic noises ElectroDrumKit TechnoDrumKit 3)ClassicalInstruments: String Section Brass Section Choir Section Flute Section (classic flute) Flute Section Vol.2 (BottleBlow, PanFlute, Pyramid-Flute) Orchestral Instruments Vol.1 (Oboe, Clarinet, Strings, Harpsicord...) Orchestral Instruments Vol.2 (OrcheHits, Timpani, Applause) Acoustic Guitar (Guitar, 12-String-guitar, Chorused-guitar...) Acoustic Guitar Vol.2 (chords only) Bass Guitar Vol.1 4)SyntheticInstruments: Korg MS-20 SynthSounds Vol.1-3 (3 disks) Korg M1 Sounds Vol.1-2 (2 disks) Oberheim Sounds FM-Sounds Roland JX-8P Sounds Vol.1 Roland U-20 Sounds Synthesized Piano (REALLY prosessed piano-samples) CD-Sounds Vol.1-13 (13 disks, samples from various Sample-CDs) -these sounds are incredibly bright and pure -this collection contains sounds from many synths (ie. Roland D-50, Synclavier, Emulator III, Korg M1, Waldorf Microwave, Kawai K4) 5)SoundEffects: a)Natural FX Transportal FX Vol.1-2 (2 disks) Horror FX Vol.1 Space FX Vol.1 War FX Vol.1 Metal FX Vol.1 Water FX Vol.1 b)Synthetic FX Korg MS-20 FX Vol.1-2 (2 disks) 6)Speech: Male-speech (contains all Finnish-letters, you can make the speech) NOTES!!!! --------- All percussion-disks & drum-disks contain the "enhanced W-30 presetkit"! Nearly all disks contain as much samples as you can get at once into samplememory. Clicks and otherkind of noises have been removed from these samples (some instruments may have some "beat" in the loop, but you know, that Roland doesn't have any good loop-operations (ie. crossfade-looping), so it's very difficult to loop chorused sounds). Say hello from me to everyone, who is in this mailing list. Okay! Be back soon!!! -Henry (hak@jyu.fi) PS. One question: how can I write an article to this mailing list, so that everyone who is in the list, gets the article????? From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Sun Oct 20 11:52:22 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA05741 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Sun, 20 Oct 91 11:52:20 EDT Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA01279 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Sun, 20 Oct 91 11:56:48 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for henrik@eddie.mit.edu; Sun, 20 Oct 91 11:17:05 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 20 Oct 1991 11:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 20 Oct 1991 11:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jyu.fi by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sun, 20 Oct 91 11:16:16 EDT Received: by jyu.fi id AA18977 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 20 Oct 1991 17:17:31 +0200 From: Henry A Kolari Message-Id: <199110201517.AA18977@jyu.fi> Subject: W-30 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Sun, 20 Oct 91 17:17:16 EET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL4] Status: RO Hello! Scot Art asked something about W-30 (is Roland still manufacturing it) or something. I'm not sure about that, but here in Finland W-30 is very rare. I haven't seen any Roland samplers on sale here in Finland for a while (I wonder why) ? I haven't heard anything about any expansions for W-30 either, but I'm interested in getting more information if there is any expansions or software-updates.... And now a little announcement for group: I'm selling my W-30, because it does not fill my demands (I need atleast 8 megs sample-RAM and 40000 note capacity sequencer and Midi-sample-dump-option and xfade-looping etc.). So if anyone is interested in buying it from me the prise is $1700 and it includes: W-30, 62 disks of samples, 2 sample-cd from Masterbits (over 1300 samples). I'm selling all these things together. If you are interested, please hurry I've got a friend who is going to buy it (it's his 2.nd W-30 and he also owns a S-50....). He is going to buy it on Wednesday (23. 10. 1991) if you are not interested. -Henry (hak@jyu.fi) From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po2.andrew.cmu.edu Mon Oct 21 05:48:32 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA07860 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 21 Oct 91 05:48:27 EDT Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA15563 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Mon, 21 Oct 91 05:52:58 -0400 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 21 Oct 91 05:48:26 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 21 Oct 1991 05:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Oct 1991 05:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eros.uknet.ac.uk by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 21 Oct 91 05:46:22 EDT Received: from axion.bt.co.uk by eros.uknet.ac.uk via PSS with NIFTP (PP) id <19214-0@eros.uknet.ac.uk>; Mon, 21 Oct 1991 10:45:38 +0100 Received: from kbss.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP) id <17890-0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk>; Mon, 21 Oct 1991 10:22:00 +0100 Received: from hematite.kbss.bt.co.uk by jasper.kbss.bt.co.uk; Mon, 21 Oct 91 10:17:56 BST From: Trevor Henderson Date: Mon, 21 Oct 91 10:17:54 BST Message-Id: <6995.9110210917@hematite.kbss.bt.co.uk> To: Scot.Art@f909.n712.z3.fidonet.org Subject: Re: w-30? Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Status: RO Having owned 2xS330, 2xS550 and 1xS770, I point out that the S770 is years ahead of the S330 and S550. I have 2xHD5IF interfaces for the 2xS550 and they only allow 64 logical disks to be stored. Features of S770/S750 S550 24 Voices [worth 1.5x S550!] 16 16-18 MBytes of Wave RAM 1 Meg Stereo Mono 16-24-20 bit's 16-12-16 logicial sample mapping SCSI: Multi-initiators Digital IN/OUT [S770] 32 Timbres! 8 MO-Hdisk driver (Sony) X-Fade on loop,... New S750 can be bought ~2500.00+vat [England] and it's worth every penny! PS1: The HD5IF interface is about 200 pounds, and needs an apple-mac 80MB Hard disk to store 64 logical disks. PS2: The only problems so far with the S770 was that it won't talk to my Panasonic (phase change) LS7010 re-writeable optical disk drive, and can't save to S550 disk format! 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ * (* *) (* *) (* *) (- -) Quick there's (- *)--/ ==*== ==*== ==*== ==*== the Hood......Too late! ==*== | (___)-* (___) (___) (___) \\ WOOF! // ---"-"--"-------------"-"------"-"------"-"------"-"------------------------ zzzzzZZ ============================================================================ FSPS, [Hush-hush dept], Jeff's really big projects Ltd., Research Labs.. Tracy Island, Pacific, JP1 9PO Trevor Henderson Tel +44 473 236500x299 email: trevor@kbss.bt.co.uk Fax +44 473 215709 ============================================================================ From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Wed Oct 23 10:08:11 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA16098 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 23 Oct 91 10:08:08 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA24742 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Wed, 23 Oct 91 10:12:46 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 23 Oct 91 10:06:30 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 23 Oct 1991 10:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Oct 1991 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2xenix.psg.com by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 23 Oct 91 10:03:49 EDT Received: by m2xenix.psg.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.22.1 #22.3) id ; Wed, 23 Oct 91 06:57 PDT Received: by puddle.fidonet.org (mailout1.26); Wed, 23 Oct 91 06:24:59 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Oct 91 17:36:00 PDT Message-Id: <2854.2905782B@puddle.fidonet.org> From: Scot.Art@f909.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Scot Art) Subject: W-30 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu X-Mailer: mailout v1.26 released Status: RO Well, I actually didn't expect so may responses to my question. Thanks to everyone who replied. Some of the specifics... > that, but here in Finland W-30 is very rare. I They're very rare here (Australia) too, I've been unable to locate even ONE second-hand. That either means either: 1) They're so good the owners don't want to part with them. :-), or 2) No-one bought them. Only ever having seen one on a shop floor once, I think it may be a case of 2). I only hope that Roland Aust. start flogging off stock cheaply. > As far as I know the W-30's memory is unexpandable > forever. The only upgrade I know of is Rolands own > CD-player wich is connected to the SCSI, and their > harddisk. A hard disk might actually be useful ... as long as I don't have to buy Rolands (inflated price). Of course my S-330 cannot ever have a hard disk, so maybe it might be useful to have one attached to the W-30 for faster loading ... (see below). > I heard though some rumours a year and half ago that > some US guy was trying to make a 3rd party system- > disk wich made it possible to use ordinary harddisks. "Ordinary" hard disks? As in RLL / MFM ones? You can get SCSI controllers which take an RLL disk ... some Atari STs use them (including Atari's own disks). > Rather pity that such minor details as software > upgrade's and memory expandability should make such > great instrument obsolete. It's proabably because > Roland didn't want the W-30 to compete with their then > forthcoming S-770. Yes, often it seems to Roland's way of doing things. Memory expandability is not a huge issue: I should have explained what I intend it *for* ... Like I said, I have an S-330. I also play in a band, an almost completely electronic band, two keyboards and vocals. At the moment I use a JX-8P for keys and also an Octopad and R-8 for percussion. The other keyboard player gets all the fun with the samples 'cos he's got an EPS. I hate having to take the S-330 out on the road, so generally I don't. We also used an MC-500 ... for a while. We got sick of lugging rackfuls of gear around only to have things freak out and decided that the best thing would be to go back to backing tape... after all, it makes no difference to the audience. However, I'd like to explore the possibilities of doing stuff controlling the timbre and expression of sounds in the Oberheim Matrix 6R (perfect for that sort of stuff), I need the MC-500 back to send the notes... Anyway, to cut it short, the W-30 gives me both the MC-500 and doubles my sample capability. Plus it gives me an OK mother keyboard (the JX-8P being borrowed, one day I'll have to give it back). Oh well ... thanks for your comments. ciao, Scot scot.art@f909.n712.z3.fidonet.org PS I have lots of samples for my S-330, from the mundane thru the interesting to the outright bizarre, if anyone is interested. I can swap in either S-330 format, or preferably, Sound Designer format (that way I can compress them). S-330s can load S-550 and S-50 samples no problems. -- uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!3!712!909!Scot.Art Internet: Scot.Art@f909.n712.z3.fidonet.org From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Mon Oct 28 11:51:24 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA06908 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 28 Oct 91 11:51:22 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA00404 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Mon, 28 Oct 91 11:56:05 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 28 Oct 91 11:40:55 EST Received: via switchmail; Mon, 28 Oct 1991 11:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 28 Oct 1991 11:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 28 Oct 1991 11:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 28 Oct 1991 11:38:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 11:38:27 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Fwd: Digitizing tablet for sale - no longer in use Status: RO I'm not sure if this made it to the group. If it has, please excuse the double posting. neil ------------------------------ Forwarded message begins here: ------------------------------ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Mon, 28 Oct 1991 09:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateway.bnr.ca by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for nh0n+; Mon, 28 Oct 91 09:35:00 EST Received: from BNRECADA.BNR.CA by gateway.bnr.ca (5.61/1.34) id AA11489; Mon, 28 Oct 91 09:34:43 -0500 Message-Id: <9110281434.AA11489@gateway.bnr.ca> Received: from BNRECADA.BNR.CA by BNRECADA.BNR.CA (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0904; Mon, 28 Oct 91 09:34:36 EST Date: 28 Oct 91 09:32:00 EST To: From: Matt (M.) Cohen Subject: Digitizing tablet for sale - no longer in use Sender: Matt (M.) Cohen Although I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to post this (don't bother flaming me, this is a one-time thing) Roland DT-100 Digitizing Tablet with Pen $45 + 5 shipping. This allows you to draw and edit your sampled waveforms using a monitor. Matt Cohen (919) 991-8496 From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po5.andrew.cmu.edu Thu Nov 7 10:38:31 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA22221 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 7 Nov 91 10:38:26 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA12399 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Thu, 7 Nov 91 10:43:49 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 7 Nov 91 10:32:42 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 7 Nov 1991 10:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 7 Nov 1991 10:32:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Thu, 7 Nov 91 10:31:42 EST From: gfd@usl.usl.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 09:17 EST To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@usl.usl.com Subject: I live. Status: RO Gentles: Yes, I am indeed still alive. The new job has been a whirlwind and I am in the process of buying a house, I'm also starting a new band so the world has been upside down for the last month. But I am back. Some quick business: David Roth: got your disks, have unearthed them again and will deal with them this weekend. Warm welcome to new members at home and over seas! I just went through about 130 mail messages from the Sgroup and the MMML and boy are my arms tired, but seriously folks... Talk about the W-30: A great idea, fairly good execution from what I have heard, but a major blunder that they didn't make a quick elegant way to read s-50/S-330/S-550 disks. As it stands, I have no way to deal wth W-30 disks. To all, the guidelines for submission and extraction of samples from the library have been circulated so that everyone should have them. I still haven't transferred that DAT tape of synclavier samples to the library but this weekend I should be able to catch up with that as well. Anyway, peace to one and all (and please pray for my ailing S-330...) Note the new email address. George Demarest (908) 757-4655 H (908) 522-6363 W From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po3.andrew.cmu.edu Thu Nov 14 11:19:59 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA00489 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 14 Nov 91 11:19:54 EST Received: from PO3.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA00282 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Thu, 14 Nov 91 11:23:15 -0500 Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 14 Nov 91 11:11:43 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 14 Nov 1991 11:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Nov 1991 11:10:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Thu, 14 Nov 91 11:09:33 EST From: gfd@usl.usl.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 91 09:39 EST To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@usl.usl.com Subject: library guidelines Status: RO Sorry about the news blackout. New job, band forming, etc. Anyway, not much has changed: ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 11/14/91) OK, here we go. Some very basic guidelines: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. Access to the S-library depends on your participation alone. A single contribution in earnest to the library will get you access to the entire library. Think of your contribution as the initiation fee. From then on, you can request any disks in the library. Please limit to 10 disks each mailing. 4. I had originally thought of limiting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. However, no samples of better than marginal quality will be rejected regardless of subject matter. Actually, none will be rejected. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. The SASE should also have YOUR address as the return address. For people in countries outside the US who send money for posting: this does not exempt you from supplying a self-addressed envelope. Also, payment for postage should be in US currency. For those over-seas, I may slip a little something extra with your package for your trouble. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (908) 757-4655 (weekdays) 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 11. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate (unless you intentionally wish to have a real nasty sound - NEIL!!!!). There really is a difference! 12. Send me e-mail describing what and when you are sending me. 13. Include a list of sounds that you have already gotten from me if applicable. This will eliminate the possibility of you getting the same stuff more than once. 14. Please refrain from sending samples that you have bought from someone else. Not that I'm afraid of getting sued, more so that it's not fair to them. Do your own sampling! 15. Samples can be sent on DAT tape. I have DAT and an easy way of getting DAT data down to the samplers. Of course, don't send 60 minutes worth of samples on DAT, but if there is a stereo sample that you think is exceptional, send it on DAT. All tapes will be returned intact unless otherwise requested. 16. DO NOT send originals. Send me copies of your sounds. You never know what you may get back! :-) =========================== Bonus Request ==================================== Eric C. did me the courtesy of actually printing the names of the disks he wanted on his pre-formatted disk labels. This makes it very clear and very easy for me to know exactly what you want. I wont demand this from all you jokers out there, but, it did speed up the process. A+ for Eric! =========================== Bogus Request ==================================== Someone else included a note that said, among other things, "I hope I have included enough postage...". People who don't send enough postage will receive melted disks. =========================== Disclaimer Request ================================= If you find that these guidelines are a pain, let me suggest that you take over this job from me. I don't covet this task and will do it only as long as people don't abuse the service/my time. I'm a musician, not a librarian: if people don't take the time to do this thing right, I'm outa here. 'nuff said. gfd From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po2.andrew.cmu.edu Thu Nov 14 11:22:12 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA00502 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 14 Nov 91 11:22:09 EST Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA00362 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Thu, 14 Nov 91 11:25:26 -0500 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Thu, 14 Nov 91 11:11:48 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 14 Nov 1991 11:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 14 Nov 1991 11:09:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Thu, 14 Nov 91 10:56:59 EST From: gfd@usl.usl.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 91 09:29 EST To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@usl.usl.com Subject: Sample library Status: RO Here is the current list. I haven't added to it in a while. I still have a half a DAT tape of Synclavier samples that I haven't parsed yet. Believe it or not, I've been a real musician lately. New band forming, film at 11. Anyway, dig these Batman. gfd =============================================================================== Sample List as of 11/14/91 Supplier Instrument Comments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Tycholis Yamaha RX-5* drum machine (complete) Neil Kawai R-100* drum machine (complete) (Neil) R. Walter Alesis HR-16* drum machine gfd Oberheim Matrix 1000 analog synth (2 full disks). bass sounds, square wave lead, electronic percussion-type sounds (in a kit). Neil Roland D-50 pads (half a disk) gfd Korg M3r (1 disk; others soon) Bass, lead sound, Acoustic Bass layered with conga (very nice). gfd Korg SG-1D sampled grand (1 disk) sampled by a friend. Very interesting stereo effect makes you seem like you're "inside" the piano. very nice. all Miscelaneous guitar shots, CD player fast forwarding, chordal vocal samples, DX rhodes sound, D. Tycholis Assorted Basses bass-type samples from DX7, Steinberger T. Flemming stabs & effects some stereo, brass, orchestral shots. T. Flemming stabs & synths more stabs, korg synths, synth basses. T. Flemming assorted voices speech clips such as "Hit it!", "This is a Journey into Sound" and others. T. Flemming JB samples Assorted James Brown Owws, Yeahs and other-worldy noises. Includes some groove samples. D. Tycholis MC Hammer Samples of raw instrumentals of "U Can't Touch Dis" including some choice quotes. This package includes a sequence disk for the Mac Sequencer "performer" that strings the samples together for an S-550. W. Fox Money Samples from the beginning of Pink Floyd's song _Money_ and some voices. gfd trumpet samples mellow trumpet sound multi-sample. Sampled in my studio. Also hard attack. T. Flemming Alesis HR-16B drum machine (2 disks) (complete). T. Flemming Roland TR808 TR909 drum machines. gfd Roland R8 Rock set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Latin set gfd Roland R8 Ethnic set gfd Roland R8 Electronic set gfd Roland R8 Jazz set (with brushes) gfd Roland R8 Power set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Sound Effects set gfd Roland R8 TR707/505 set gfd Roland R8 Mallet set gfd Korg M3r drum sounds, with new deranged sounds added. Dubbed "George's favorites"! Neil Industrial 1 steel spikes, disk sanders, clangs, bangs and booms. Neil Industrial 2 lawn mowers from hell, doors closing and more. Neil Guitar riffs guitar screeches, chords and riffs. fool your friends! Neil Distorted drums these are some of the noisiest, ugliest, crackliest drum sounds you'll ever meet. Two thumbs up! Direct evidence of Neil's rapidly dementing mind. Neil Proteus 1 - 5 5 disks of Proteus samples. Haven't heard them yet. Eric C. Roland D-110 drum samples. (2 disks) Erik FX sound fx. (shit! I forget what they are! Sorry Erik!). T. Flemming Bolero! A do it yourself kit for Ravel's Bolero. ============================================================================ From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po2.andrew.cmu.edu Sat Nov 16 00:47:42 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA04946 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Sat, 16 Nov 91 00:47:39 EST Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA08582 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Sat, 16 Nov 91 03:55:20 -0500 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Sat, 16 Nov 91 03:49:48 EST Received: via switchmail; Sat, 16 Nov 1991 03:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 16 Nov 1991 03:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 16 Nov 1991 03:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sat, 16 Nov 1991 03:48:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1991 03:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Fwd: S-50 question that you may have answer Status: RO Can someone help out? neil -- ------------------------------ Forwarded message begins here: ------------------------------ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Fri, 15 Nov 1991 23:33:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for NH0N+; Fri, 15 Nov 91 23:33:05 EST Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 7155; Fri, 15 Nov 91 22:32:35 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 2695; Fri, 15 Nov 91 22:32:35 CST Date: Fri, 15 Nov 91 22:28:05 CST From: Rod Lemcke Subject: S-50 question that you may have answer To: Neil Hi Neil, I have a question that I feel if anybody might be able to answer, would be you! How, if at all possible, can I do Midi Sample Dumps to-and-from the S-50 to my librarian software packages? If it is possible I will figure out the protocol and write it myself because we use 2-S50's on stage and may be getting a S550. Please reply if you know how, or if you know WHO would know how. Thanks Neil From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Nov 18 09:19:34 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA02341 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 18 Nov 91 09:19:31 EST Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA06487 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Mon, 18 Nov 91 09:20:50 -0500 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 18 Nov 91 09:08:02 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 18 Nov 1991 09:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 18 Nov 1991 09:06:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Mon, 18 Nov 91 09:06:31 EST From: gfd@usl.usl.com Date: Mon, 18 Nov 91 09:03 EST To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@usl.usl.com Subject: New Sgroup samples Status: RO Kiddies, I just added some samples to the library. I got some samples from a friend with a Synclavier. I got 2 sets of tablas (some quite nice), a basketball bounce as a kick drum (which is excellent) and a pistol shot as a snare. It's pretty much as you might imagine it but must be heard to be appreciated. Emminently usable. Another disk is of winds. The Brass ensemble is trumpet and trombone. Pretty good. It really cuts in the upper register. I prefer it monophonically (chordally it sounds more like an organ stop). The Jazz ensemble is a layer of sax, trombone and trumpet. It has mucho balls (especially in the low register). The flute chirps are more wild down in the low register as well. I have layered this on top of some gritty analog synth sounds and the result is great (sort of like a modular korg m1, if you get my meaning). Anyway, blessed are the Sample Makers, for they shall sample the heavens and the earth. (Hey, it's early!) Faithfully, George F Demarest =============================================================================== Sample List as of 11/18/91 Supplier Instrument Comments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Tycholis Yamaha RX-5* drum machine (complete) Neil Kawai R-100* drum machine (complete) (Neil) R. Walter Alesis HR-16* drum machine gfd Oberheim Matrix 1000 analog synth (2 full disks). bass sounds, square wave lead, electronic percussion-type sounds (in a kit). Neil Roland D-50 pads (half a disk) gfd Korg M3r (1 disk; others soon) Bass, lead sound, Acoustic Bass layered with conga (very nice). gfd Korg SG-1D sampled grand (1 disk) sampled by a friend. Very interesting stereo effect makes you seem like you're "inside" the piano. very nice. all Miscelaneous guitar shots, CD player fast forwarding, chordal vocal samples, DX rhodes sound, D. Tycholis Assorted Basses bass-type samples from DX7, Steinberger T. Flemming stabs & effects some stereo, brass, orchestral shots. T. Flemming stabs & synths more stabs, korg synths, synth basses. T. Flemming assorted voices speech clips such as "Hit it!", "This is a Journey into Sound" and others. T. Flemming JB samples Assorted James Brown Owws, Yeahs and other-worldy noises. Includes some groove samples. D. Tycholis MC Hammer Samples of raw instrumentals of "U Can't Touch Dis" including some choice quotes. This package includes a sequence disk for the Mac Sequencer "performer" that strings the samples together for an S-550. W. Fox Money Samples from the beginning of Pink Floyd's song _Money_ and some voices. gfd trumpet samples mellow trumpet sound multi-sample. Sampled in my studio. Also hard attack. T. Flemming Alesis HR-16B drum machine (2 disks) (complete). T. Flemming Roland TR808 TR909 drum machines. gfd Roland R8 Rock set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Latin set gfd Roland R8 Ethnic set gfd Roland R8 Electronic set gfd Roland R8 Jazz set (with brushes) gfd Roland R8 Power set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Sound Effects set gfd Roland R8 TR707/505 set gfd Roland R8 Mallet set gfd Korg M3r drum sounds, with new deranged sounds added. Neil Industrial 1 steel spikes, disk sanders, clangs, bangs and booms. Neil Industrial 2 lawn mowers from hell, doors closing and more. Neil Guitar riffs guitar screeches, chords and riffs. fool your friends! Neil Distorted drums these are some of the noisiest, ugliest, crackliest drum sounds you'll ever meet. Two thumbs up! Direct evidence of Neil's rapidly dementing mind. Neil Proteus 1 - 5 5 disks of Proteus samples. Haven't heard them yet. Eric C. Roland D-110 drum samples. (2 disks) Erik FX sound fx. T. Flemming Bolero! A do it yourself kit for Ravel's Bolero. =========================== -New Releases- =============================== gfd Synclavier Percussion tablas (7 samples), flanged tablas, kick (basketball), and snare (pistol shot). gfd Synclavier Winds Jazz Ensemble (Sax trombone and trumpet) (Awesome in the low register). Brass Ensemble (trombone trumpet) Nice for hits. Flute chirps (also awesome in the low register). ============================================================================ From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po2.andrew.cmu.edu Mon Dec 2 10:05:31 1991 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA09859 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 2 Dec 91 10:02:38 EST Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA07749 (5.64/UK-2.1-910924); Mon, 2 Dec 91 10:31:47 -0500 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Mon, 2 Dec 91 10:14:35 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 1991 10:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 2 Dec 1991 10:12:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Mon, 2 Dec 91 10:11:11 EST From: gfd@usl.usl.com Date: Mon, 2 Dec 91 10:07 EST Original-From: usl!gfd (G Demarest +1 908 522 6363) To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@usl.usl.com Cc: david%david%cis.ohio-state.edu%att@usl.usl.com Subject: Re: ATTN: GEORGE Status: RO > From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 176 > > > I've been having trouble sending you e-mail. about the problems with the > S-330 disk. Make copies using the DART MAC utility. It seems that gfd@usl.com works the best (rather than gfd@usl.usl.com). I'll have to see if I still have the DART utility. > Anyone have George's home phone number? It's on your beloved guidelines. George Demarest (908) 757-4655 H (say hi to the missus) (908) 522-6363 W From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po3.andrew.cmu.edu Wed Jan 8 12:13:56 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA12239 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 8 Jan 92 12:13:51 EST Received: from PO3.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA08354 (5.64/UK-2.1-911202); Wed, 8 Jan 92 12:44:52 -0500 Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@encore.com; Wed, 8 Jan 92 12:35:34 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 8 Jan 1992 12:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 8 Jan 1992 12:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 8 Jan 92 12:33:56 EST Received: from WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.65/1.25) id AA06851; Wed, 8 Jan 92 09:33:33 -0800 Received: by WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.61++/1.25) id AA29341; Wed, 8 Jan 92 09:33:15 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 92 09:33:15 -0800 From: pete%WLBR@wlv.imsd.contel.com (Pete Lyall) Message-Id: <9201081733.AA29341@WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Status: RO This is a tool for owners of Roland S330, S50, and S550 samplers that I whipped up over the holidays. It allows reading the sampler disks into dos files (and the reverse), listing patch and tone contents, duplicator mode, and also a binary record writing mode for use with your own data manipulation routines. Now we can exchange sampler DISKS over traditional telecommunications media! Enjoy... Pete Lyall P.S. Source has already been mailed to at least 1 each of the ST, Amiga, and MAC camps. 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My mailbox has been desperately quiet from you folks out there. Perhaps the guidelines will cheer you up. Please do me the courtesy of reading these before you even think about sending disks. It's all very simple. ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 1/13/92) OK, here we go. Some very basic guidelines: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. Access to the S-library depends on your participation alone. A single contribution in earnest to the library will get you access to the entire library. Think of your contribution as the initiation fee. From then on, you can request any disks in the library. Please limit to 10 disks each mailing. 4. I had originally thought of limiting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. However, no samples of better than marginal quality will be rejected regardless of subject matter. --ed I have yet to reject any samples. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. The SASE should also have YOUR address as the return address. For people in countries outside the US who send money for posting: this does not exempt you from supplying a self-addressed envelope. Also, payment for postage should be in US currency. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (908) 52206363 (weekdays) 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 11. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate (unless you intentionally wish to have a real nasty sound - NEIL!!!!). There really is a difference! 12. Send me e-mail describing what and when you are sending me. Please do this before you send it out. I read mail every day and respond immediately to anything I get. 13. Include a list of sounds that you have already gotten from me if applicable. This will eliminate the possibility of you getting the same stuff more than once. 14. Please refrain from sending samples that you have bought from someone else. Not that I'm afraid of getting sued, more so that it's not fair to them. Do your own sampling! 15. Samples can be sent on DAT tape. I have DAT and an easy way of getting DAT data down to the samplers. Of course, don't send 60 minutes worth of samples on DAT, but if there is a stereo sample that you think is exceptional, send it on DAT. All tapes will be returned intact unless otherwise requested. 16. DO NOT send originals. Send me copies of your sounds. You never know what you may get back! :-) =========================== Bonus Request ==================================== Eric C. did me the courtesy of actually printing the names of the disks he wanted on his pre-formatted disk labels. This makes it very clear and very easy for me to know exactly what you want. I wont demand this from all you jokers out there, but, it did speed up the process. A+ for Eric! =========================== Bogus Request ==================================== Someone else included a note that said, among other things, "I hope I have included enough postage...". People who don't send enough postage will receive melted disks. =========================== Disclaimer Request ================================= If you find that these guidelines are a pain, let me suggest that you take over this job from me. I don't covet this task and will do it only as long as people don't abuse the service/my time. I'm a musician, not a librarian: if people don't take the time to do this thing right, I'm outa here. 'nuff said. gfd From nh0n+%andrew.cmu.edu@po3.andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jan 13 21:28:41 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA02915 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 13 Jan 92 21:28:32 EST Received: from PO3.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA03741 (5.64/UK-2.1-911202); Mon, 13 Jan 92 21:59:32 -0500 Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Mon, 13 Jan 92 15:13:14 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 13 Jan 1992 15:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 13 Jan 1992 15:11:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Mon, 13 Jan 92 15:10:28 EST From: gfd@usl.usl.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 92 14:59 EST To: Sgroup+%andrew.cmu.edu%att@usl.usl.com Subject: 1992 List Status: RO Well, someone called for activity, and here is some (albeit re-hashed (just the thing for after the holidays)). Welcome to some new group members ("You! In the corner...stand up!"). Things have been quiet here. People working on making my job obsolete. A note to those folks that may wish to get samples on line due to some nifty new stuff out there from Pete Lyall, among others: As good as the idea sounds, I wont be able to supply sample disks over the net. The most basic reason is that I would probably get fired if I were to mail a bunch or 1.4 megabyte files over the net every night. If someone at another installation could get away with this, more power to them. I will admit that I haven't been such a boffo librarian anyway. Ah well. Anyway, things are relatively together now in the library. Mac users will be interedted in knowing that there exists a tool that will copy S-sampler disks on the mac. This was given to me by D. Roth from the group. It is a very helpful tool for me (ie disk copies can be done on any macintosh and my mac driver is a lot faster than the Roland. The tool is called DART. I believe David got it off of some ftp site from a group of Mac utilities supplied by Apple. Well, here is the current list of samples. It has not changed since I last posted it, but here it is anyway. =============================================================================== Sample List as of 1/13/92 Supplier Instrument Comments =============================================================================== D. Tycholis Yamaha RX-5* drum machine (complete) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Kawai R-100* drum machine (complete) (Neil) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Walter Alesis HR-16* drum machine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Oberheim Matrix 1000 analog synth (2 full disks). bass sounds, square wave lead, electronic percussion-type sounds (in a kit). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Roland D-50 pads (half a disk) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Korg M3r (1 disk; others soon) Bass, lead sound, Acoustic Bass layered with conga (very nice). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Korg SG-1D sampled grand (1 disk) sampled by a friend. Very interesting stereo effect makes you seem like you're "inside" the piano. very nice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- all Miscelaneous guitar shots, CD player fast forwarding, chordal vocal samples, DX rhodes sound, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Tycholis Assorted Basses bass-type samples from DX7, Steinberger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T. Flemming stabs & effects some stereo, brass, orchestral shots. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T. Flemming stabs & synths more stabs, korg synths, synth basses. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T. Flemming assorted voices speech clips such as "Hit it!", "This is a Journey into Sound" and others. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T. Flemming JB samples Assorted James Brown Owws, Yeahs and other-worldy noises. Includes some groove samples. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Tycholis MC Hammer Samples of raw instrumentals of "U Can't Touch Dis" including some choice quotes. This package includes a sequence disk for the Mac Sequencer "performer" that strings the samples together for an S-550. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Fox Money Samples from the beginning of Pink Floyd's song _Money_ and some voices. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd trumpet samples mellow trumpet sound multi-sample. Sampled in my studio. Also hard attack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T. Flemming Alesis HR-16B drum machine (2 disks) (complete). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T. Flemming Roland TR808 TR909 drum machines. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Roland R8 Rock set (2 disks) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Roland R8 Latin set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Roland R8 Ethnic set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Roland R8 Electronic set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Roland R8 Jazz set (with brushes) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Roland R8 Power set (2 disks) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Roland R8 Sound Effects set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Roland R8 TR707/505 set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Roland R8 Mallet set ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Korg M3r drum sounds, with new deranged sounds added. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Industrial 1 steel spikes, disk sanders, clangs, bangs and booms. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Industrial 2 lawn mowers from hell, doors closing and more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Guitar riffs guitar screeches, chords and riffs. fool your friends! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Distorted drums these are some of the noisiest, ugliest, crackliest drum sounds you'll ever meet. Two thumbs up! Direct evidence of Neil's rapidly dementing mind. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Proteus 1 - 5 5 disks of Proteus samples. Haven't heard them yet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric C. Roland D-110 drum samples. (2 disks) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik FX sound fx. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T. Flemming Bolero! A do it yourself kit for Ravel's Bolero. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Synclavier Percussion tablas (7 samples), flanged tablas, kick (basketball), and snare (pistol shot). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gfd Synclavier Winds Jazz Ensemble (Sax trombone and trumpet) (Awesome in the low register). Brass Ensemble (trombone trumpet) Nice for hits. Flute chirps (also awesome in the low register). ============================================================================ From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Jan 15 09:26:57 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA00410 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 15 Jan 92 09:26:54 EST Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by encore.encore.COM with SMTP id AA05510 (5.64/UK-2.1-911202); Wed, 15 Jan 92 09:31:44 -0500 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 15 Jan 92 08:56:01 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 15 Jan 1992 08:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 15 Jan 1992 08:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ifi.uio.no by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 15 Jan 92 08:54:46 EST Received: from slembe.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jan 1992 14:54:11 +0100 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by slembe.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 15 Jan 1992 14:54:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1992 14:54:10 +0100 Message-Id: <9201151354.AAslembe15548@slembe.ifi.uio.no> To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Neil Anthony Herzinger's message of Tue, 14 Jan 1992 01:18:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: OS Versions! Status: RO In the December issue of Keyboard Player magazine there is a buyers guide which contains information about current os versions. S-550 has reached v1.13 , S-770 v2.04 and W-30 v1.08. Since my W-30 only got v1.01 I hope someone will trade it for some disk. Does anyone got it? and what improvements does it feature? About the samdisk program, I'm working on porting it for the Atari ST and have added W-30 compatibility. It should be possible to make the output files smaller, if I knew where the actual sample-data is stored then maybe it could be possible to mail singel samples. W-30 disk contains lots of song data in addition to sample data. -Thomas Flemming From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Sun Jan 19 13:25:49 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA16474 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Sun, 19 Jan 92 13:25:47 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA05899 (5.54/UK-2.1-920116); Sun, 19 Jan 92 13:50:49 EST Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Sun, 19 Jan 92 13:32:02 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 19 Jan 1992 13:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 19 Jan 1992 13:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ifi.uio.no by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for SGROUP+; Sun, 19 Jan 92 13:31:00 EST Received: from gyda.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Sun, 19 Jan 1992 19:30:50 +0100 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by gyda.ifi.uio.no ; Sun, 19 Jan 1992 19:30:49 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1992 19:30:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199201191830.AAgyda16955@gyda.ifi.uio.no> To: KEELERJA@max.cc.uregina.ca Cc: SGROUP+@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Jason Keeler's message of Thu, 16 Jan 92 21:13:14 CST Subject: Re: SAMDISK + S-330 Status: RO Here's a suggestion for how to e-mail samples. What if I first used samdisk to save the contents of a blank S-50 disk onto a file, and then saved the contents of a S-50 disk with a couple of samples on. Then I could find the differences between the to files, save the differencies on a file and e-mail it. Off course you could also e-mail other thing's like S-553 songs or W-30 patches or whatever. There is allready a standard UNIX program that does the job, cmp, but it would be better if someone wrote a dedicated program for it. We just have to find an efficient file format which also have to include what kind of disk it have to be written on, and some sort of info about it's contents. I have to admit that I'm a very poor C programmer, but I would gladely assist if anyone would do it. Thomas Flemming University of Oslo, Norway From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Sun Jan 19 17:58:53 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA16840 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Sun, 19 Jan 92 17:58:51 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA07465 (5.54/UK-2.1-920116); Sun, 19 Jan 92 18:24:59 EST Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Sun, 19 Jan 92 15:06:59 EST Received: via switchmail; Sun, 19 Jan 1992 15:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 19 Jan 1992 15:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 19 Jan 1992 15:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.0.1.873.MacMail.0.9.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs7.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.pcs7.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sun, 19 Jan 1992 15:05:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1992 15:05:24 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <9201081733.AA29341@WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM> References: <9201081733.AA29341@WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM> Status: RO >This is a tool for owners of Roland S330, S50, and S550 samplers that >I whipped up over the holidays. It allows reading the sampler disks >into dos files (and the reverse), listing patch and tone contents, >duplicator mode, and also a binary record writing mode for use with >your own data manipulation routines. Sounds cool. Has anyone used it yet? >Now we can exchange sampler DISKS over traditional telecommunications >media! As George points out in a later post, this seems like a lot of data to transmit. That's something I never thought about before. Is it feasible to do this? >P.S. Source has already been mailed to at least 1 each of the ST, >Amiga, and MAC camps. Hopefully they'll post their versions as well. So who's working on this? Any results? neil From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jan 20 09:58:57 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA20009 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 20 Jan 92 09:58:54 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA03328 (5.54/UK-2.1-920116); Mon, 20 Jan 92 10:01:19 EST Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Mon, 20 Jan 92 07:12:34 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 07:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 07:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 20 Jan 92 07:12:03 EST Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA17408; Mon, 20 Jan 92 07:11:57 -0500 From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 20 Jan 92 06:36:45 EST Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu ( David A. Roth ) Message-Id: <0105009A.0aht2v@david.UUCP> X-Mailer: uAccess - Mac Release: 1.5v2 Status: RO In Regards to your letter : > >Now we can exchange sampler DISKS over traditional telecommunications > >media! > > As George points out in a later post, this seems like a lot of data to > transmit. That's something I never thought about before. Is it > feasible to do this? Assuming the data is uuencode, it becomes ASCII. Then using a utility like 'split' on UNIX you could split the disk into 32K chuck e-mail messages. That is the lowest common size of mail message I have seen suggested for most network connection. Some won't allow messages over 100k in an e-mail message anyway. I think if the messages were 32K (or even less) per e-mail message than I don't think anyone would complain. I don't have access to FTP but it would be great if someone had an archive to keep these things on. I guess my feeling is that we just try it out with the disks broken up into small 32k chucks and just see what happens? If there can be binary and source newsgroups, why not one for Roland samples? Hmmm....alt.samples.roland ? David From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jan 20 09:59:40 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA20021 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 20 Jan 92 09:59:37 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA03367 (5.54/UK-2.1-920116); Mon, 20 Jan 92 10:01:58 EST Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Mon, 20 Jan 92 06:12:31 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 06:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 06:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ifi.uio.no by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Mon, 20 Jan 92 06:11:26 EST Received: from gyda.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 12:11:22 +0100 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by gyda.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 12:11:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1992 12:11:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199201201111.AAgyda24800@gyda.ifi.uio.no> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Mailing samples via internet! Status: RO Frankly, did anyone understand my proposition for how email samples? With only a small totaly machine independent program in addition to Pete's glorius samdisk utility we can email samples , patches, W-30 songs or S-50 MIDI setup! Enough talk I will begin writing this simple little program right away! Maybe we can transmit the first transantlantic sample mail in a couple of days! Thomas Flemming Oslo, Norway (left of Sweden) From nh0n+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Mon Jan 20 19:27:39 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA22631 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 20 Jan 92 19:27:14 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA18320 (5.54/UK-2.1-920116); Mon, 20 Jan 92 19:31:58 EST Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Mon, 20 Jan 92 09:58:02 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 09:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 09:56:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from att.att.com by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Mon, 20 Jan 92 09:56:17 EST Date: Mon, 20 Jan 92 09:53 EST From: gfd@usl.com (G Demarest +1 908 522 6363) To: Sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Conversion utility Status: RO > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > To: Sgroup > > Maybe we could put disks like these in the library. I have the utility > that converts S550 disks to S50 format, that could go in as well. > Peter? George? I have the Library Conversion Utility as well. It is a must for an S-50 user (that's the only think it runs on). It actually is pretty stinky, but it does do conversions. Whereas this is a product of THE ROLAND CORPORATION, that they sell for CASH MONEY, I can't, of course, officially give it out to from the list. If, however, a stray disk happened to be sent to me and a copy of the library converter just happened to fall into the envelope, who could blame clumsey ole' me?! Of course, someone EXACTLY LIKE ME, probably feels that there is no problem making available a product that very well should be part of the S-50 itself to begin with. All of their other samplers convert (well, not really. but they should :-). As the saying goes, ask me no questions and I will send you no lies... > neil From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jan 20 21:16:21 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA22785 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 20 Jan 92 21:16:03 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA19361 (5.54/UK-2.1-920116); Mon, 20 Jan 92 21:20:59 EST Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Mon, 20 Jan 92 20:13:04 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 20:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 20:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for Sgroup+; Mon, 20 Jan 92 20:11:47 EST Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA22660; Mon, 20 Jan 92 20:11:33 -0500 From: gfd@usl.com (G Demarest +1 908 522 6363) To: Sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: 1992 List (BINHEX ENCLOSED) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 92 18:08:20 EST Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Reply-To: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.0bqess@david.UUCP> X-Mailer: uAccess - Mac Release: 1.5v2 Status: RO Forward of letter from gfd@usl.com (G Demarest +1 908 522 6363): Date: Mon, 20 Jan 92 09:57 EST From: gfd@usl.com (G Demarest +1 908 522 6363) To: Sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: 1992 List > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > To: Sgroup > Subject: Re: 1992 List > > >Anyway, things are relatively together now in the library. Mac users > >will be interedted in knowing that there exists a tool that will copy > >S-sampler disks on the mac. This was given to me by D. Roth from the > >group. It is a very helpful tool for me (ie disk copies can be done > >on any macintosh and my mac driver is a lot faster than the Roland. > >The tool is called DART. I believe David got it off of some ftp site > >from a group of Mac utilities supplied by Apple. > > I'd like to get a copy of this utility. Can some one mail it to me, or > at least direct me to the ftp site where it exists? Thanks. > > neil Neil and folks, I don't have this online, but David Roth does. 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X-XX"S2cA!'-B(3$TR3!!: From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Jan 20 21:17:42 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA22791 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 20 Jan 92 21:17:41 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA19396 (5.54/UK-2.1-920116); Mon, 20 Jan 92 21:22:59 EST Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Mon, 20 Jan 92 13:15:56 EST Received: via switchmail; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 13:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 13:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 13:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.0.1.873.MacMail.0.9.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 20 Jan 1992 13:13:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <0dSl4w_00iV143P2Ri@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1992 13:13:16 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Site for Samples In-Reply-To: References: Status: RO I guess mailing isn't really the problem (how many 32K messages would it take BTW?) but storage. I'm at a university, but I really doubt I could get storage space. (I'm not going to be around much longer either - which is another point I'll bring up soon). neil From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jan 21 10:33:27 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA25396 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:33:26 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA27198 (5.54/UK-2.1-920116); Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:42:01 EST Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:16:15 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 1992 10:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Jan 1992 10:15:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from gould.encore.COM by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:15:14 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA25937 (5.54/UK-2.1-920116); Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:15:56 EST Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA25284 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:07:18 EST From: Don Law Date: Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:07:18 EST Message-Id: <25284.9201211507@ranger.encore.com> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Site for Samples Status: RO > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1992 13:13:16 -0500 (EST) > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > > I guess mailing isn't really the problem (how many 32K messages would it > take BTW?) but storage. I'm at a university, but I really doubt I > could get storage space. OK - I have a computer that I could use for this - it has about 400 Mbytes of storage available. The problem is that it sits behind a 1200 baud modem connected to my home phone. Maybe I could let it mail stuff out overnight in 32K chunks or something. Just a possibility in case we don't get something better. --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jan 21 19:27:03 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA26832 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 21 Jan 92 19:27:02 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA14682 (5.54/UK-2.1-920118); Tue, 21 Jan 92 19:37:55 EST Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:56:12 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 1992 10:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Jan 1992 10:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:54:00 EST Received: from DECNET-MAIL by HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU (PMDF #12087) id <01GFKQ4DLRBK8WX090@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU>; Tue, 21 Jan 1992 10:56 EST Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1992 10:56 EST From: POPS@hubio1.harvard.edu Subject: RE:Site for Samples To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Message-Id: <01GFKQ4DLRBK8WX090@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU> X-Vms-To: HUSC3::MAILER%"sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu" Status: RO i wonder if the data might be welcome at SFU.EDU in the /midi area. there are other utilities there that aren't midi. does anyonew in our sgroup know the manager of the midi group there? ^anyone^ lloyd From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Jan 21 19:42:27 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA26862 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 21 Jan 92 19:42:22 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA14934 (5.54/UK-2.1-920118); Tue, 21 Jan 92 19:53:18 EST Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Tue, 21 Jan 92 12:43:53 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 21 Jan 1992 12:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 Jan 1992 12:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 21 Jan 92 12:41:49 EST Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA29751; Tue, 21 Jan 92 12:41:42 -0500 From: Don Law To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Site for Samples Date: Tue, 21 Jan 92 12:20:03 EST Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Reply-To: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.0dqdsm@david.UUCP> X-Mailer: uAccess - Mac Release: 1.5v2 Status: RO Forward of letter <25284.9201211507@ranger.encore.com> from Don Law : From: Don Law Date: Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:07:18 EST To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Site for Samples > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1992 13:13:16 -0500 (EST) > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > > I guess mailing isn't really the problem (how many 32K messages would it > take BTW?) but storage. I'm at a university, but I really doubt I > could get storage space. OK - I have a computer that I could use for this - it has about 400 Mbytes of storage available. The problem is that it sits behind a 1200 baud modem connected to my home phone. Maybe I could let it mail stuff out overnight in 32K chunks or something. Just a possibility in case we don't get something better. --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** ---------------------------------------- That could work, especially if you were able to set-up some kind of automated file request by e-mail like the Mostly Midi Mailing List has now. Something like saying... send myaddress disk1.uuencoded to a sever. If you want info about how to send it up send e-mail to Tim at tjt@blink.att.com. David From WEBERLOI@max.cc.uregina.ca Wed Jan 22 00:46:33 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA27954 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 22 Jan 92 00:46:32 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA19314 (5.54/UK-2.1-920118); Wed, 22 Jan 92 00:58:43 EST Message-Id: <19314.9201220558@gould.encore.COM> Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 4066; Tue, 21 Jan 92 23:56:19 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 0071; Tue, 21 Jan 92 23:56:18 CST Date: Tue, 21 Jan 92 23:55:29 CST From: Rod Subject: Re: Site for Samples To: Don Law In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 21 Jan 92 10:07:18 EST Status: RO Any of this done for the Amiga??? From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Jan 22 16:09:10 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA00441 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 22 Jan 92 16:09:08 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA04887 (5.54/UK-2.1-920118); Wed, 22 Jan 92 16:25:20 EST Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 22 Jan 92 11:05:07 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 1992 11:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jan 1992 11:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 22 Jan 92 11:02:07 EST Received: from DECNET-MAIL by HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU (PMDF #12087) id <01GFM4OVEHQO8WX5LH@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU>; Wed, 22 Jan 1992 11:04 EST Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1992 11:04 EST From: POPS@hubio1.harvard.edu Subject: RE:RE:Site for Samples To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Message-Id: <01GFM4OVEHQO8WX5LH@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU> X-Vms-To: HUSC3::MAILER%"sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu" Status: RO senility strikes again..i sed : >i wonder if the data might be welcome at SFU.EDU in the /midi area. >there are other utilities there that aren't midi. does anyonew in our >sgroup know the manager of the midi group there? ^anyone^ >lloyd i MEANT ucsd.edu ....there are a large number of dx7 patches there, so Snnn samples mightn't be too out of place... lloyd From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Jan 22 20:58:12 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA00979 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 22 Jan 92 20:58:10 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA11801 (5.54/UK-2.1-920118); Wed, 22 Jan 92 21:15:38 EST Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 22 Jan 92 11:09:16 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 1992 11:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jan 1992 11:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from gould.encore.COM by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 22 Jan 92 11:08:12 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA26098 (5.54/UK-2.1-920118); Wed, 22 Jan 92 11:08:47 EST Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA29534 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 22 Jan 92 10:53:50 EST From: Don Law Date: Wed, 22 Jan 92 10:53:50 EST Message-Id: <29534.9201221553@ranger.encore.com> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Site for Samples Status: RO [Sorry if this is a duplicate post to sgroup - mailer problems.] > From WEBERLOI@max.cc.uregina.ca Wed Jan 22 00:46:33 1992 > Subject: Re: Site for Samples > To: Don Law > > Any of this done for the Amiga??? Well, I'm not sure what your question is, but let me guess. I would envision two methods of getting samples from the Sample-Site-Of-The-Future to your sampler. The first step has lots of options but basically amounts in a binary file containing the sample data plus some other stuff landing on your own computer. From there you can either 1) use your computer to write the correct format onto a disk that can be loaded by your Roland sampler. 2) use your computer to read the sample and send it via System Exclusive to your Roland sampler. If you are like me, you are stuck with the second method since my Roland disks (2.8") will not even go into my computer. Hope this answers your question. By the way, our mailer is on the fritz, so if you send something to me and don't get a response, try again or try dlaw@gould.encore.com. --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Jan 23 04:44:56 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA02297 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 23 Jan 92 04:44:54 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA00773 (5.54/UK-2.1-920118); Thu, 23 Jan 92 05:04:23 EST Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 22 Jan 92 22:44:17 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 22 Jan 1992 22:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 22 Jan 1992 22:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from garcon.cso.uiuc.edu by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 22 Jan 92 22:41:59 EST Received: from mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu by garcon.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01087 (5.65d+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 22 Jan 1992 21:41:55 -0600 Received: by mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-1.0) id AA13379; Wed, 22 Jan 92 21:39:40 CST From: derek@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Derek A. Taubert) Message-Id: <9201230339.AA13379@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Site for Samples To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Wed, 22 Jan 92 21:39:39 CST In-Reply-To: <29534.9201221553@ranger.encore.com>; from "Don Law" at Jan 22, 92 10:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > 2) use your computer to read the sample and send it via System Exclusive > to your Roland sampler. What specific program do you use to do this? I guess what I really getting at is, where can I find specific information on System Exclusive messages. I've got a NeXT and program it well, but alas, I don't know a whole lot about MIDI (protocal, I understand the hardware involved). Derek From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Jan 24 01:01:33 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA06279 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 24 Jan 92 01:01:32 EST Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould with SMTP id AA17128 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920118); Fri, 24 Jan 92 01:25:54 -0500 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Thu, 23 Jan 92 13:27:07 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 23 Jan 1992 13:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Jan 1992 13:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from gould.encore.COM by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 23 Jan 92 13:26:18 EST Received: by gould.encore.COM id AA26072 (5.54/UK-2.1-920118); Thu, 23 Jan 92 13:26:52 EST Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA04016 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 23 Jan 92 13:05:12 EST From: Don Law Date: Thu, 23 Jan 92 13:05:12 EST Message-Id: <4016.9201231805@ranger.encore.com> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Site for Samples Status: RO >From: derek@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Derek A. Taubert) > >> 2) use your computer to read the sample and send it via System Exclusive >> to your Roland sampler. > >What specific program do you use to do this? Well, I just don't have one. I was hoping to be able to use Cakewalk for this, but it can't handle a SysEx larger than 64K. :-( Dumping only one bank of my S-10 takes about 75K. I plan to write a program to do this. I'll write it in C and give it away if I ever get it to work. I've been planning to do this for months, so don't expect it anytime real soon. If we decide to use my computer for Sample Central, the Sample-Site-of-the-Future, then I guess this would be extra motivation for me, having all those samples just sitting there! --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From pete%WLBR@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM Fri Jan 24 09:39:33 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA07722 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 24 Jan 92 09:39:32 EST Received: from WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by gould with SMTP id AA24183 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920118); Fri, 24 Jan 92 10:05:45 -0500 Received: from WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.65/1.25) id AA09805; Fri, 24 Jan 92 07:04:08 -0800 Received: by WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.61++/1.25) id AA15261; Fri, 24 Jan 92 07:03:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 92 07:03:57 -0800 From: pete%WLBR@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Pete Lyall) Message-Id: <9201241503.AA15261@WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM> To: don@encore.com, sgroup+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: Site for Samples Status: RO I spent a LOT of unproductive time trying to get an MKS-100 to dump and recapture SYSEX to a number of PC utilities - NADA. Always freaked out at reload time. I suspect you have to pace the transmission back to the MXS-100/S-10. This an quick disks drove me nuts, and that's why I ended up with an S-330. Pete From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Feb 14 03:23:06 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA17726 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 14 Feb 92 03:23:03 EST Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.COM with SMTP id AA08176 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920118); Fri, 14 Feb 92 04:02:03 -0500 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Fri, 14 Feb 92 01:01:08 EST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 14 Feb 1992 01:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from faxon.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 14 Feb 92 01:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from faxon.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 14 Feb 92 00:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.faxon.andrew.cmu.edu.rt.r3 via MS.5.6.faxon.andrew.cmu.edu.rt_r3; Fri, 14 Feb 92 00:59:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Feb 92 00:59:38 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: The Future of this Group Status: RO Well, as I'll be graduating in May and leaving the fine institution of Carnegie Mellon University, my account will be deleted (possibly not for a few months, but eventually). The life of the sgroup depends on the existance of my account, so we need to find a new site to keep it alive. I am formally asking for any solutions/offers to this problem. I thought I'd start now and give us a few months time to work it out. Looking forward to responces. neil From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Sun Feb 16 15:59:52 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA06868 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Sun, 16 Feb 92 15:59:50 EST Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.COM with SMTP id AA00754 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920118); Sun, 16 Feb 92 16:14:34 -0500 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Sun, 16 Feb 92 12:25:37 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sun, 16 Feb 1992 12:25:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 Feb 1992 12:23:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for SGROUP+; Sun, 16 Feb 92 12:23:32 EST Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 7962; Sun, 16 Feb 92 11:22:06 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 2595; Sun, 16 Feb 92 11:22:05 CST Date: Sun, 16 Feb 92 11:08:57 CST From: Jason Keeler Subject: Memory expansion To: Sgroup Status: RO Seeing as how there has been talk about memory expansion for our beloved S-seri es samplers, I thought I'd post some additional information (something I should have done about a month ago!) PA-Decoder is actually based in the US: PA-DECODER 1258 South Ogden Drive Los Angeles, CA 90019 (213) 938-8924 I spoke to (at least whom I was told I spoke to) the engineer who actually buil t these expansion boards (horrible english!). He explained that this expansion COULD have been SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper if they could have set it up to make use of standard SIMMS. Unfortunately, this was not possible and had to use Rol and's configuration. The suggested RETAIL price of the W-30/S-330 BASIC MEMORY EXPANSION INCL. 1 RAM-CARD is $898US; however, through PA-DECODER they are sel ling it for $498US. For those who expand the S-330, you also get a new 2U rack for your unit (due to the additional hardware requirements). If anyone wants a complete listing of prices/products let me know; This one's for Thomas; which DANCE MUSIC CD's do you have? I have the Soundsource Datafile 1 CD (which is very good). ...Jason From dlaw@encore.com Tue Feb 18 22:22:12 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA02483 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 18 Feb 92 22:22:11 EST Received: by houligan.encore.com id AA21827 (5.52/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 18 Feb 92 22:22:20 EST From: Don Law Date: Tue, 18 Feb 92 22:22:20 EST Message-Id: <21827.9202190322@houligan.encore.com> To: dlaw@encore.com Status: RO 26163) New newsgroup for Roland Sample Users created! ~ 2 (David A. Roth) From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Feb 26 17:59:14 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA04075 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 26 Feb 92 17:59:12 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.COM with SMTP id AA14205 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920118); Wed, 26 Feb 92 18:04:35 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 26 Feb 92 12:14:15 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Wed, 26 Feb 1992 12:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 Feb 1992 12:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cunixa.cc.columbia.edu by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Wed, 26 Feb 92 12:12:47 EST Received: by cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (5.59/FCB) id AA08538; Wed, 26 Feb 92 12:12:43 EST Date: Wed, 26 Feb 92 12:12:42 EST From: Arsenio R SantosJr To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Long live rec.roland.samplers! Message-Id: Status: RO Being a rnews spectator and submitter for years, I can assure y'all that 40 people is enough to warrant a board. Some boards only get one article per week or so. -Sinn P.S.: You wouldn't have any S-10 samples? From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Feb 26 18:37:22 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA04153 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 26 Feb 92 18:37:20 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.COM with SMTP id AA15233 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920118); Wed, 26 Feb 92 18:42:53 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Wed, 26 Feb 92 12:59:15 EST Received: via switchmail; Wed, 26 Feb 1992 12:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 Feb 1992 12:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 Feb 1992 12:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.20.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 26 Feb 1992 12:56:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1992 12:56:31 -0500 (EST) From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: I thought you'd never ask Status: RO >>> I probably have the time to manage a mailing list of 40 people, and I can find a computer to put it on, *and* I can probably find a place to make things available via ftp. >>> OK, I'll start a list of options. We can bash the problem around for the next couple of months and then decide. Thanks for the offer. neil From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Feb 27 01:39:05 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA05673 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 27 Feb 92 01:39:03 EST Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.COM with SMTP id AA22026 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920118); Thu, 27 Feb 92 01:45:57 -0500 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Thu, 27 Feb 92 01:12:32 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 27 Feb 1992 01:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 27 Feb 1992 01:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 27 Feb 92 01:11:32 EST Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA22077; Thu, 27 Feb 92 01:11:25 -0500 Received: by david.UUCP (uA-1.5v4); Thu, 27 Feb 92 00:33:30 EST From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: I thought you'd never ask Date: Thu, 27 Feb 92 00:33:30 EST Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu ( David A. Roth ) Message-Id: <0105009A.t3oipb@david.UUCP> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4 Status: RO In Regards to your letter : > > > > I make the guidelines/sample list files optional so people don't have to weed > > through big text files if they're not interested. > > I see, then when someone asks for the guidelines and the sample list, > then I post it and WE ALL have to wade through large text files. Make > it mandatory! > > > 4 midterms in 3 days and I still have time for my beloved sgroup :-P > > Midterms? What are they? :-) Do they still give Midterms in college? I figured charging you $80k for 4-5 years of hell was enough! :-) > > > There's been a couple of suggestions on the new homesite for the group. With > > a distribution list of ~40 people, do you think there's enough interest to > > warrant a board? I'm not sure, but I won't be around either.... > > I think David Roth has already looked into this. David? I created an alt.roland.sgroup and cross posted the test to rec.music.synth. So far no one has screamed. :-) From what I have been told you can create a newsgroup in alt. for whatever you want and you don't need net admin people's "approval". I've never created a newsgroup before so I don't know what the next step is. I assume there is some offical place to make an announcement. George's notes about the guidelines and other info about the newsgroup could be posted monthly as a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions.) I leave George to create the FAQ because I'm sure with his deep New York roots he will be able to come up with some entertaining answers. :-) > > > > neil Well, Neil, I think the sgroup has been a wonderful thing you started including the Hypercard stack. I hope that when you leave college and enter the work force that you can find a group of talented people that will respect you for your creativity and being so resourceful. The group shot of the family on the first screen of the Hypercard stack is a scream. David From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Fri Feb 28 02:46:17 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA11149 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 28 Feb 92 02:46:13 EST Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.COM with SMTP id AA05293 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920118); Fri, 28 Feb 92 02:57:50 -0500 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Fri, 28 Feb 92 00:42:46 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 00:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 00:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Fri, 28 Feb 92 00:41:18 EST Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA04141; Fri, 28 Feb 92 00:41:09 -0500 Received: by david.UUCP (uA-1.5v4); Fri, 28 Feb 92 00:21:26 EST From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Fwd: [david@david.UUCP (David A. Roth)]New newsgroups alt.roland.sgroup Date: Fri, 28 Feb 92 00:21:26 EST Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Reply-To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Message-Id: <0105009A.t6c855@david.UUCP> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4 Status: RO Forward of article <0105009A.t6c4d3@david.UUCP> from david@david.UUCP (David A. Roth): The Roland Sample Users Group mailing list is going public folks! It looks like the mailing list will still be around for a little while longer until everyone gets alt.roland.sgroup. ( sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu) I've never created a newsgroup before and I hope I am going about it in the right way to avoid endless talks about if the group is needed or not. A brief description of what the newsgroup is for and I hope the system admin for news for your site adds this. Those interested in music newsgroups including rec.music.synth that use Roland Samplers will be *VERY* interested in this group! The mailing listed contains users of Roland Samplers. Can't more simple than that but they are a great bunch of people that have got their act together and formed a LIBRARY OF SAMPLES FOR FREE provided you supply a formatted disk and SASE. Most of the samples in the library have been created and tweaked by members currently on the mailing list. After many talks in the mailing list a kind person has decided to write some code to enable samples to be traded over the net and so far one has offered to be an FTP site to store the samples. This may not sound like a big deal to many of you but the Roland disk format can't be simply uploaded/downloaded the way it is without some special software. This will be especially helpful with sharing samples with the world. Also, a prototype has been developed to keep track of samples in your own library so far in the format of a Hypercard stack. If I am not going about creating this newsgroup in the proper manner for alt newsgroup please inform not flame! :-) A description of the samples in the library and other info is expected to be posted to alt.roland.sgroup. Best Wishes! David From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Sat Feb 29 01:41:24 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA16213 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Sat, 29 Feb 92 01:41:21 EST Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.COM with SMTP id AA25308 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920118); Sat, 29 Feb 92 01:42:33 -0500 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Fri, 28 Feb 92 19:12:44 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 19:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 28 Feb 1992 19:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Fri, 28 Feb 92 19:11:19 EST Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA12099; Fri, 28 Feb 92 19:11:13 -0500 Received: by david.UUCP (uA-1.5v4); Fri, 28 Feb 92 18:55:16 EST From: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: [david@david.UUCP (David A. Roth)]New newsgroups alt.roland.sgroup Date: Fri, 28 Feb 92 18:55:16 EST Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david%david@cis.ohio-state.edu ( David A. Roth ) Message-Id: <0105009A.t8dgib@david.UUCP> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4 Status: RO In Regards to your letter : > >I think that it might be better to call the group something like > >alt.MUSIC.foobar, or at least something more ... well, informative than > >just roland.sgroup. The way I see it, "roland.sgroup" means "the group > >of S-series samplers by Roland" only in the appropriate context. Out of > >context, I doubt I could parse "sgroup"... and the "roland" hint might > >not help much. > > I have to agree with this. Would it be to much to call it > alt.music.synth.roland.sgroup ?!?!?!? That's the best cognitive > description (yeah I know we're dealing with samplers, not synths, but > that's a common > term :-) > > neil Considering that I just found out today what exactly a control message is I don't know the limits of newsgroup names. Boy, you guys...some people complain if you hang them with a new rope! :-) I read some atl.config and this is what I found out: Xref: uncle alt.config:4840 news.admin:12555 news.groups:30835 Newsgroups: alt.config,news.admin,news.groups Path: uncle!n8emr!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!ukma!widener!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!gvlf8-o.gvl.unisys.com!markw From: markw@gvlf8-o.gvl.unisys.com (Mark H. Weber) Subject: How (and why) to create a new "alt" group Message-ID: <1992Jan31.174750.23447@news.gvl.unisys.com> Sender: news@news.gvl.unisys.com (The NEWS user) Nntp-Posting-Host: gvlf8-o Reply-To: markw@gvlf8-o.gvl.unisys.com (Mark H. Weber) Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa Followup-To: alt.config Date: Fri, 31 Jan 92 17:47:50 GMT Expires: 1 Mar 92 00:00:01 GMT There are no rules or guidelines for creation of "alt" groups, but there does appear to be an established procedure which goes something like this: 1) Propose a new alt group in alt.config. The proposal should include a charter or purpose for the new group, and some demonstration of the need for the group. Be prepared to explain why an existing group cannot be used for this purpose, and why the group should be in "alt" rather than in one of the mainstream hierarchies (like "rec", "sci", etc.). Avoiding the complexity of the mainstream group creation procedure is not a very good reason, groups should not be created in "alt" just because it's easier. The distribution of "alt" groups is (in general) more limited than that of mainstream "rec" or "sci" groups, so if you're proposing a serious group for which you would like to have wide distribution, try to get a mainstream group created before proposing an alt group. 2) See what the alt.net.opinion of the new group is. Wait a few days for replies to trickle in from the far corners of the net. Pay particular attention to feedback on the name of the group, as mis-named groups are almost impossible to to rename. If the consensus (however you determine that) is that the group should be created, then proceed to step 3. (these first two steps are often ignored, which usually leads to unpleasantness in step 4 below) 3) Post a "newgroup" control message. The message should contain a description of the group being created. If you don't know how to do this, check with your news administrator. If you ARE your news administrator, and you can't figure it out from the documentation you have (or don't have any documentation) send me mail and I will help you. NOTE that many sites do NOT automatically honor "newgroup" and "rmgroup" control messages, the news software at these sites will send mail to the news administrator, who will evaluate your request and decide whether or not to create the group. It may take a couple of days for the control message to propagate and be acted upon, so don't expect instant availability of the new group, particularly if you post the control message on a Friday night. You should also post a message to alt.config announcing the creation of the new group. Give the newgroup control message some time to propagate and be acted upon, (one working day, for example), and then post a message to the new group explaining its purpose. Don't cross- post this message to alt.config, as the posters who follow-up to this message will invariably forget to delete alt.config from the newsgroups line. You may need to post several introductory messages, as some administrators will not create the group until they see messages for it showing up in their "junk" group. 4) Let the individual site news administrators decide whether to honor your "newgroup" message. Most admins prefer that the message come from a verifiable account, messages which are obviously forged, or have not been discussed in alt.config and contain no explanation will probably not be honored by many sites. Persons opposed to the group, or admins who feel that the newgroup message was a forgery may send out "rmgroup" messages to try to sabotage the group. It may take several iterations of this process to firmly establish the new group. It has been humorously suggested that only alt groups which get 100 more "newgroup" than "rmgroup" messages should be established. However, these "rmgroup wars" are annoying to news administrators, and reduce the overall acceptance (and distribution) of the "alt" hierarchy. This is the reason that steps 1 and 2 above are important. This may sound like a lot of rigamarole, and it is. The purpose is to discourage creation of alt groups that might be better off as mainstream groups, or that might be better of left uncreated. Don't take this all too seriously, though. The "alt" net is the last remaining refuge away from the control freaks, namespace purists and net.cops (like myself) that maintain and support the mainstream newsgroup guidelines. There is still some room for spontaneity out here on the "alt" frontier, and successful groups have been created without following these suggestions. Almost any non-forged, serious newgroup message will at least be considered by most news admins. Some groups have been created just on a whim. The concept behind the group better be good (or a least entertaining), though! -- Mark H. Weber | Internet: markw@GVL.Unisys.COM Paramax Systems (A Unisys Co.) | UUCP: ...!gvlv2!markw Great Valley Laboratories | FAX: +1 215 648 2891 Box 517, Paoli, PA 19301 USA | VOICE: +1 215 648 2112 From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Mar 4 02:27:30 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA02294 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 4 Mar 92 02:27:28 EST Received: from PO3.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.COM with SMTP id AA20079 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920302); Tue, 3 Mar 92 23:40:50 -0500 Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 92 18:33:38 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Tue, 3 Mar 1992 18:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 3 Mar 1992 18:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from watdragon.waterloo.edu by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Tue, 3 Mar 92 18:31:01 EST Received: by watdragon.waterloo.edu id ; Tue, 3 Mar 92 18:30:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 18:30:51 -0500 From: "John M. Sellens" Message-Id: <9203032330.AA14237@watdragon.waterloo.edu> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: newsgroup of the future Status: RO | From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Mar 3 11:17:56 1992 | From: Don Law | To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu | Subject: newsgroup of the future | | So is getting into rec out of the question? It seems to have a lot more | class and credibility than alt. rec.music.roland_sampler anyone? Likely it will not happen, since rec groups and other mainstream groups require 100 more yes votes than no votes for creation. I think sgroup should stay as a mailing list because - current volume does not (IMHO) justify a newsgroup - the bulk of recent traffic in the mailing list has been relatively uninteresting and somewhat uninformed talk about creating a newsgroup - I often like the feel of mailing lists better, since they often feel more like a community and have a higher signal to noise ratio than newsgroups. The current newsgroup discussion started only (as far as I can see) because Neil is graduating and will no longer be able to maintain the mailing list. I volunteered (to Neil) to maintain the mailing list *and* provide a small-ish amount of space for an ftp archive. (I'm a system administrator, and staff, at the University of Waterloo so I have the resources, machine access and know-how to do these things.) If the consensus is that a newsgroup is still preferred, I feel compelled to make the following observations - "sgroup" is only informative to people already in the know - it shouldn't be part of the newsgroup name as it has no information content. - We are talking about a subset of sampling and samplers. - There is already somewhat of a convention for music related groups. So, to me, the most sensible and informative name for the group is alt.music.samplers.roland. John Sellens jmsellens@watdragon.waterloo.edu From cmedley@wam.umd.edu Tue Mar 17 08:10:07 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA26168 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 17 Mar 92 08:10:04 EST Received: from gould.encore.COM by pinocchio.encore.com id AA14282 (4.0/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 17 Mar 92 08:20:26 EST Received: from csc-srv.wam.umd.edu by gould.encore.COM with SMTP id AA09774 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920313); Tue, 17 Mar 92 08:17:13 -0500 Received: from wam.umd.edu by csc-srv.wam.umd.edu id ; Tue, 17 Mar 92 08:15:42 -0500 From: ENiGMA Software Received: by rac1.wam.umd.edu id ; Tue, 17 Mar 92 08:15:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 92 08:15:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9203171315.AA16982@rac1.wam.umd.edu> To: don@encore.com Subject: Re: Anyone heard of/have a Roland S-10 Sampler???!?! Status: RO Well, it's no big secret how to get a big sample dump like this... On the Atari ST, there is a generic librarian from waaaaaaaaay back (like 1986-7) called GenPatch from Hybrid Arts. What it allows for is customized scripts for handling sysex dumps. You simply write a little routine (in a script language designed for this program only) that is kind of like a telecomm scripting language... and use that to recieve sysex data. Well, the killer is that, being the lazy person I am, and knowing handshaking sysex is slower anyways, I just use a format called User Input in GenPatch which just reads in everything sent via sysex to the computer. The only real advantage to this is that I can store these samples on my HD and since the S-10 doesn't have mass storage capability, this is kinda nice. SLOW, but nice (since samples are sent back and forth via MIDI). From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Sat Mar 28 12:52:50 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA17126 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Sat, 28 Mar 92 12:52:48 EST Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA06492 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920320); Sat, 28 Mar 92 13:01:01 -0500 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@gould.encore.com; Sat, 28 Mar 92 12:57:40 EST Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Sat, 28 Mar 1992 12:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1992 12:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Sat, 28 Mar 92 12:56:49 EST Received: from WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM by WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.65/1.25) id AA04690; Sat, 28 Mar 92 09:56:40 -0800 Received: by WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (5.61++/1.25) id AA18945; Sat, 28 Mar 92 09:56:30 -0800 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 92 09:56:30 -0800 From: pete%WLBR@wlv.imsd.contel.com (Pete Lyall) Message-Id: <9203281756.AA18945@WLBR.IMSD.CONTEL.COM> To: pdel@ads.com, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Need a couple disks Status: RO Here's my title list ( a GREP of my SAMDISK output).... not sure if I have what you're looking for or not... I _think_ I do. Next question.... how do we get them from here to there? While I have a Zmodem send routine for my BSD system, it can only receive 94 bytes/packet kermit (SLOW - even at 9600 baud). Want me to load them onto my box here, and you can just dial in and grab them (we'd have to set up a time.. this isn't a BBS, just my system) Pete Lyall (805) 520-0972 (home) (805) 372-5493 (work) ========================================================================== File MYDISKS.TXT: Title: Club E.Pjano - Splits w/Bs & WaveSynth #1 RSB-5501 Title: Solo Cello " - & Duo RSB-5501 #6 Title: AcPiano 2 #3 - Steinway C-7 Classicalish 1 Disk Only RSB-5501 Title: Pop Piano 1 - Electric Grand & MKS- 20 Rhoades + RSB-5501 #8 Title: GrandPiano 3 - 2 DiskSet #2 Send on 2CHs SPpt.A2nt#57 RSB-5501 Title: GrandPiano 3 - 2 DiskSet #1 UseMotherKbd SplitUpprCH1 LowCH2 at A2 Title: Flute & - Piccolo Professional Sound Series RSB-5503 Title: Orchestral - Percussion#2 Professional Sound Series RSB-5503 Title: Trumpet & - Trombone Professional Sound Series RSB-5503 Title: Pipe Organ - & Choir Pan 8outputs For Stereo RSB-5503 Title: E.Piano & - Vibraphone Professional Sound Series RSB-5503 Title: Alto Sax - Professional Sound Series RSB-5503 Title: Celesta - Professional Sound Series RSB-5503 Title: BriteTrumpts - Solo & Sect. B&K RSB-5503 Title: RockComposer - UseExtDist. Box&BossNS-2 onGuitarOUT8 RSB-5503 Title: Long Ride + - Bell IN STEREO! 1=L,2=R RSB-5504 Title: G&L Bass - Precision Mega-Multi Sample RSB-5504 Title: Exotic Hand - Percussion#1 RSB-5504 Title: DesignerTrap - Set #1 with Sequencer BS MKS-50+ TX RSB-5504 Title: Industrial - Strength Techno Synth Percussion RSB-5504 Title: Sports Disk1 - Fitness and HealthSeries RSB-5504 Title: Orchestral - Percussion#3 Pro Sound Series RSB-5504 Title: Mark Trees, - Wind Chimes IN STEREO! 1=L,2=R RSB-5504 Title: Harpsichord - Professional Sound Series RSB-5504 Title: Oriental - Cymbals & Gongs RSB-5504 Title: 16bitPiano1A - RSB-5505 #1 Title: 16bitPiano1B - RSB-5505 #2 Title: Hookmonics59 - 1959 Strat Oddities RSB-5505 #3 Title: GrandPiano3W - 1 Disk only 4 W-30 or: S-330 RSB-5505 #4 Title: Martin Steel - String Ac. Guitar RSB-5505 #5 Title: Rock GTR - Sampled Distortion RSB-5505 #6 Title: ET Perc 1 - Assorted Hand Perc. RSB-5505 #7 Title: Real Bass - Slapper RSB-5505 #8 Title: Sun.Nite Sax - Solo Alto & Shortened Trane Tenor RSB-5505 #9 Title: Pluck Guitar - Plink Strat & Riffs RSB-5506 #1 Title: UnderwaterFX - courtesy: Garcia Scuba Archives RSB-5506 #2 Title: Cho Trumpet - from:Roland CD #1 RSB-5506 #3 Title: Moog Brass 1 - MiniMoog Big Sweeps RSB-5506 #4 Title: CD Basses - from:-Roland A Sound Approach RSB-5506 #5 Title: Violins x8 - 8 man sect. RSB-5506 #6 Title: Hits & Hornz - Various Chords RSB-5506 #7 Title: Brass Vol.3 - MultiSampled Trumpet Fall & Various RSB-5506 #8 Title: Super Kit 16 - 16bit Drums Digitally Equalized RSB-5506 #9 Title: Banjo Man - Open Strings RSB-5506 #10 Title: Conga-Monga - IN STEREO! 1=L,2=R,3=C 4=C.& Bongos RSB-5502 Title: Jet Strings - IN STEREO! 1=L 2=R RSB-5502 Title: Long Crash+ - Splash IN STEREO! 1=L,2=R RSB-5502 Title: Pluck Pianos - Prepared 9ft Grand RSB-5502 Title: Mini Moog - Bass' #1 RSB-5502 Title: EQ Kits 1A - Seperate Outs RSB-5502 Title: THX #1 - In Stereo ! 1=L 2=R RSB-5502 Title: FM Filtered - #1 RSB-5502 Title: Stereo Set1A - 1=L,2=R RSB-5502 Title: stereo Set1B - 1=L,2=R RSB-5502 Title: Drivin' - Dont Take da Car,you'll KILL Yourself!!!! Title: Wild Kingdom - Exotic and Barnyard Animals RSB-506 FX Title: - Title: - Title: Rainy Day - Rain,Thunder & Lightning Storm RSB-508 Title: Orchestra - Orch.Hit Title: MIDI E.Piano - MIDI'ed E.Piano and Synth Bass RSB-506 Title: Mute Trumpet - S-50 RSB-508 VERSION 2.0 Title: Synth Vol.3 - Synthesizers Vol.3 RSB-507 Title: - Title: Air Disk 2 - Voices & Flutes #2 RSB-507 Title: - Title: - Title: - Title: Guitar&Stick - Gate Guitar& Stick Basses + Harmonics RSB-506 Title: - Title: - Title: - Title: - Title: - Title: - Title: Ac.Guitars 2 - Nylon-Spain- Classical & Bandolins RSB-5501 #5 Title: S-330 - System Disk [2] Multi Patch by Roland Title: Woodwinds - Mainly Traditional Vol.1 RSB-5501 #7 Title: Synth Vol.2 - Synthesizer and MIDI'ed Sounds Vol.2 RSB-506 Title: FunkRockSet1 - Funk/Rock Composer's Tools Vol.3 RSB-508 Title: Tenor & #2 - Soprano Saxophones Vol.1 RSB-5501 Title: S-330 - System Disk [1] Piano Patch by Roland Title: Full String - Section Pan 8outputs For Stereo RSB-5503 Title: Mini Moog - Bass' #1 RSB-5502 Title: - Title: - Title: Synthesizer1 - USB-502 #6 Title: Industrial - Strength Techno Synth Percussion RSB-5504#5 Title: - Title: - Title: Stereo Set1A - 1=L,2=R RSB-5502 Title: 1003891A - Title: W-30 - Factory Patch/Tone Copyright by Roland Title: W-30 - Factory Patch/Tone Copyright by Roland Title: W-30 - Factory Patch/Tone Copyright by Roland Title: - Title: EQ Kits 1A - Seperate Outs RSB-5502#6 Title: Timbals&Toms - Timbals & Toms USB-503 #6 Title: Techno Set#1 - Composer's Tools Vol.1 USB-504 #6 Title: E.Guitar - Dist,Clear Title: S-330 - System Disk [2] Multi Patch by Roland Title: NewDrums&808 - LA set Big set USB-501#9 Title: S-550 - SystemDisk [2] Keep A Secret Title: - Title: 1203891A - Title: E.Guitar - Dist,Clear Title: - Title: - Title: - Title: FunkRockSet1 - Funk/Rock Composer's Tools Vol.3 USB-506 #7 Title: Synth Vol.2 - Synthesizer and MIDI'ed Sounds Vol.2 USB-504 #8 Title: Synth #3 - Synthesizers #3 USB-505 #2 Title: Midi Stack#1 - USB-502 #7 Title: S-550 - SystemDisk [1] Keep A Secret Title: RockComposer - UseExtDist. Box&BossNS-2 onGuitarOUT8 RSB-5503#3 Title: Piano(New) - USB-501 #4 Title: - Title: - Title: Mini Moog - Bass' #1 RSB-5502 Title: EQ Kits 1A - Seperate Outs RSB-5502 Title: EQ Kits 1A - Seperate Outs RSB-5502 Title: E.Guitar #1 - USB-503#10 Title: - Title: - Title: - Title: - From jmsellen@watdragon.waterloo.edu Thu Apr 9 01:36:39 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA09000 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 9 Apr 92 01:36:35 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA25009 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920320); Thu, 9 Apr 92 01:56:00 -0400 Received: from watdragon.waterloo.edu by taipan.UWaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Apr 92 01:48:26 -0400 Received: by watdragon.waterloo.edu id <53364>; Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:48:23 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@taipan.UWaterloo.ca Subject: test of new sgroup mailing list Message-Id: <92Apr9.014823edt.53364@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:48:22 -0400 Status: RO Earlier today, I sent a test message to Neil's sgroup mailing list at CMU. This message is being sent to the new sgroup mailing list at U of Waterloo. (Let's call the previous message test 1, and this one test 2.) If you didn't receive both of these messages, please let me know. The new addresses for the sgroup list will be sgroup-request@taipan.uwaterloo.ca for addition/deletion requests, and sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca for submissions to the list. The list will be unmoderated, so anything you send will be sent out to the list almost immediately. And, for a real human contact, that's me. Please let me know if you notice any errors, or anything strange. John Sellens University of Waterloo Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1 Canada 519-888-4594 jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Hope this works ...) From jmsellen@watdragon.waterloo.edu Thu Apr 9 17:26:58 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA11899 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:26:57 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA02756 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920320); Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:51:31 -0400 Received: from watdragon.waterloo.edu by taipan.UWaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:39:38 -0400 Received: by watdragon.waterloo.edu id <53335>; Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:39:35 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@taipan.waterloo.edu Subject: FTP archive available for sgroup use Message-Id: <92Apr9.173935edt.53335@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:39:27 -0400 Status: RO I have made a small repository of sgroup related stuff available via anonymous ftp on taipan.uwaterloo.ca. Currently, it contains the introductory messages for the group, information about the sample library the George maintains and so on (documents I received from Neil), and copies of the samdisk program for PCs, and the DART program for Macintoshes. There is a directory there labelled "samples" in which I hope to place sample disks if anyone is interested (and wants to send me some). Any on-line samples would probably be rotated i.e. there won't be hundreds of MBs of samples on-line at the same time. Anyway, let me know if you have anything that would be useful to add. John Sellens apprentice sgroup maintainer jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From gfd@usl.usl.com Thu Apr 23 17:45:54 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA21997 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 23 Apr 92 17:45:53 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA20348 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920320); Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:25:59 -0400 Received: from att-out.att.com by taipan with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:18:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9204232218.AA07949@taipan> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 14:26 EDT From: gfd@usl.com To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: new address Status: RO I forgot to mention. Since I moved into a different house, my address has changed (I kid you not). My new address is: George Demarest 1165 Hillside Avenue Plainfield, NJ 07060 (908) 757-4655 (home) (908) 522-6363 (away) (er, work, I mean). Peace, gfd From gfd@usl.usl.com Thu Apr 23 17:52:33 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA22023 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 23 Apr 92 17:52:32 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA20472 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920320); Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:32:42 -0400 Received: from att-out.att.com by taipan with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:24:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9204232224.AA07958@taipan> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 14:17 EDT From: gfd@usl.com (George Demarest +1 908 522 6363) To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: FTP archive available for sgroup use Status: RO > Subject: FTP archive available for sgroup use > To: taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup@mailrus.uucp > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 595 > Status: R > > > The FTP set-up sounds very cool, Thanks for doing that. About how > > many > > samples are you going to be able to fit at one time? (I guess we need > > a > > unit of reference, how about seconds at 30Khz?) > > > Good idea ... and is anyone working on a PC and/or Atari ST version of the > Macintosh program? > > Hey George, I still haven't forgotten that I promised to send some disks to the > library... I def lee willl as soon as I get organisized (one of these days). I > have some nice samples of a Kurzweil K2000 that belongs to a friend. And some > loop stuff and even grunge for Neil. :-) > > ciao, Scot. Informal Survey: 1. should the sgroup library be moved entirely to the ftp site? I think there are about 25 floppies worth of stuff now. I have no problem continuing with the library (especially since I haven't had a request for disks in months :( ). I just moved so my studio is in pieces in closets so it's just as well. But if people want to do away with the ground mail library routine, let me know. I vote to keep it going since, once again, I don't have the ability pull tons of data onto my system from ftp sites. Ftp'ing does seem to make so much more sense and seems a lot more hi-tech. But alas, my boss wont appreciate the samples I could receive :-). My studio should be happening in about 2 weeks. Let's get some sampling activity going here folx. another informal survey: (I'll make it an open-ended multiple choice) 2. Why do so few people contribute to the library? a. I have absolutely no time to sample things. b. I don't know what to sample. c. my samples aren't good enough. d. the sgroup library guidelines are to restrictive. e. I don't know where the post office is. f. I contribute, you moron. g. I am happy with the selection of samples I get from Roland. h. I don't feel like sharing the samples I work very hard on. i. I don't know how to sample on the S-XXX. k. What's a sample? (don't do it Neil :-). Maybe a contest is in order. I'll give it some thought. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! gfd From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Apr 23 18:06:40 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA22073 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:06:39 EDT Received: from PO2.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA20712 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920320); Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:47:03 -0400 Received: by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@gould.encore.com; Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:45:29 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 18:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 18:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gould.encore.com by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:44:04 EDT Received: from ranger.encore.COM by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA20639 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920320); Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:42:53 -0400 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA22056 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:02:24 EDT From: Don Law Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:02:24 EDT Message-Id: <22056.9204232202@ranger.encore.com> To: gfd@usl.com Subject: Re: FTP archive available for sgroup use Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Status: RO > 1. should the sgroup library be moved entirely to the ftp site? I'm not willing to say "yes" to this until I can really use it. So, "no." > 2. Why do so few people contribute to the library? a. I have absolutely no time to sample things. c. my samples aren't good enough. g. I am happy with the selection of samples I get from Roland, to some degree. In other words, because of (a) - I'm happy enough to get by until some more time frees up. l. I have an S-10. << obviously the most important reason. --Don Law dlaw@gould.encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Apr 23 19:00:20 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA22186 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 23 Apr 92 19:00:19 EDT Received: from PO5.ANDREW.CMU.EDU by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA21797 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920320); Thu, 23 Apr 92 19:40:57 -0400 Received: by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for dlaw@gould.encore.com; Thu, 23 Apr 92 19:40:06 EDT Received: via switchmail for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 19:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 19:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.UU.NET by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup+; Thu, 23 Apr 92 19:39:05 EDT Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA16997; Thu, 23 Apr 92 19:39:11 -0400 Received: from viewpnt.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 193829.1331; Thu, 23 Apr 1992 19:38:29 EDT Received: from echelon by viewpnt via SMTP (911016.SGI/) (for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu) id AA27037; Thu, 23 Apr 92 19:16:36 -0400 Received: by echelon (911016.SGI/) (for sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu) id AA01137; Thu, 23 Apr 92 19:16:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 92 19:16:35 -0400 From: henrik@atria.com (Larry DeLuca) Message-Id: <9204232316.AA01137@echelon> To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Don Law's message of Thu, 23 Apr 92 18:02:24 EDT <22056.9204232202@ranger.encore.com> Subject: FTP archive available for sgroup use Status: RO > Should the sgroup library be moved entirely to an ftp site? No. I, like others, would have a hard time getting at things that way. I prefer the option of having it off-line. I would also volunteer to manage the USnail distribution if that were necessary to prevent this avenue from disappearing. > Why do so few people contribute to the library? I haven't made any samples of general enough use - Julia Child chirping "Always keep your fish in the refrigerator" and that sort of thing don't really fall into much music (though if you want her I've got her). Also, I tend to be more of a musician than a sound technician - I'm more interested in writing than making sounds. If I need a particular sound I go to work and make it, but I'm not one of those people who just sits down at my synths/samplers and spends lots and lots of time making sounds. I am very grateful that there are lots of people who do, since they give me a wonderful pallette to work from, though. I'd love to someday have enough samples to contribute that I could justify asking for some of the things in the library, since there's lots of cool stuff there, it looks like. >>> Don Law mentions he has an S-10, and is bummed about the lack of samples. Well, Don, I have 2 S-10's (and an S-50), so I know what you mean. I have a number of the Roland disks, and I have a couple I have made (or friends have) - there's a "Whee Whistle", a dijeridu (thanks to Kate and Paddy Bush and the 12" of "The Big Sky"), James Brown's "Funky Drummer" beat, and then some weird noises and crinkling plastic (told you they weren't much fun). If any of these interest you you can mail me disks and I'll dup them. Anyone else out there in the S-10 groove? larry... From thomasfl@ifi.uio.no Mon May 4 12:28:33 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA06098 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 4 May 92 12:28:32 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA04215 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Mon, 4 May 92 12:48:58 -0400 Received: from ifi.uio.no by taipan.UWaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 4 May 92 12:40:45 -0400 Received: from kolsaas.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Mon, 4 May 1992 18:40:31 +0200 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by kolsaas.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 4 May 1992 18:40:30 +0200 Date: Mon, 4 May 1992 18:40:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199205041640.AAkolsaas16422@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no> To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Cc: jonjen@lise.unit.no Subject: New sgroup FTP-site up Status: RO I've started an FTP-program on the Mac I've got on the office. All you have to do is ftp sgroup@129.240.4.12 and type the password; moog. At the moment there's only two uncompressed samdisk-files there. 737280 04-05-92 goodie1.sdk 737280 04-05-92 goodie2.sdk 2934 04-05-92 read.me 8602 04-05-92 samdisk.doc 18054 04-05-92 samdisk.exe Seems to me the that the time saved in compressing files is lost with the time you'll use finding the uncompress program. Not to mention those who maybe not even have it. Unforanetely the Mac is in use at daytime between 10&16 GMT, so this site can only be running on an irregular basis. I've tried to place files on taipan.uwaterloo.ca but was refused. It's possible to place put on my Mac as well. Below is the ouput catalog for the two new samdisk files. I haven't set up any patches, just two standard 909 drumset crammed into 1.2 and 0.8 secs. The "Got to.." is a 7.2 sec. female chorus solo in 130BPM. All the drumloops are also in 130BPM, sampled from an XL compilation CD. Feel free to FTP! -Thomas Flemming =============================================================================== Title: Flemming's - goodies I GOT TO...--> 130BPM 1.May 1992 Type: S-50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patch P11: STANDARD 909 Tone T11: REV HIT Tone T31: Patch P12: Tone T12: MUDDYBAS Tone T32: Patch P13: Tone T13: ACOU BAS Tone T33: Patch P14: Tone T14: GET UP.. Tone T34: Patch P15: Tone T15: CLOSE... Tone T35: Patch P16: Tone T16: BUMP&GRN Tone T36: Patch P17: Tone T17: GOT TO.. Tone T37: Patch P18: Tone T18: HIT Tone T38: Patch P21: Tone T21: PERC PAD Tone T41: Patch P22: Tone T22: 909 BD Tone T42: Patch P23: Tone T23: 909 SN 2 Tone T43: Patch P24: Tone T24: 909 HH 2 Tone T44: Patch P25: Tone T25: 909 OH 3 Tone T45: Patch P26: Tone T26: zap Tone T46: Patch P27: Tone T27: 909 RIM Tone T47: Patch P28: Tone T28: Tone T48: =============================================================================== Title: Flemming's - goodies II GOT TO...--> 130BPM 1.May 1992 Type: S-50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patch P11: BD&SN 909 Tone T11: 130BREAK Tone T31: Patch P12: Tone T12: GOT TO.. Tone T32: Patch P13: Tone T13: 130 BPM Tone T33: Patch P14: Tone T14: 4-3-2-1! Tone T34: Patch P15: Tone T15: CLOSE... Tone T35: Patch P16: Tone T16: GET UP.. Tone T36: Patch P17: Tone T17: JUNGBEAT Tone T37: Patch P18: Tone T18: 909 BD Tone T38: Patch P21: Tone T21: 909 SN 2 Tone T41: Patch P22: Tone T22: Tone T42: Patch P23: Tone T23: Tone T43: Patch P24: Tone T24: Tone T44: Patch P25: Tone T25: Tone T45: Patch P26: Tone T26: Tone T46: Patch P27: Tone T27: Tone T47: Patch P28: Tone T28: Tone T48: From derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu Thu May 7 03:20:23 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA18296 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 7 May 92 03:20:22 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA22680 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Thu, 7 May 92 03:25:53 -0400 Received: from slab.slip.uiuc.edu by taipan.UWaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 May 92 03:15:35 -0400 Received: by slab.slip.uiuc.edu id AA06381 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 7 May 1992 01:01:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 May 1992 01:01:18 -0500 From: Derek Taubert Message-Id: <199205070601.AA06381@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.63) To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Legality of ftping roland disks and other goodies Status: RO I was just curious. Are the roland sound disks (the ones you can copy from a dealer) pretty much distributable to everyone? I was asking, cause I may just put the ones that I have up on my machine for anonymous ftp. I've got a bit of drive space, too, and might be willing to take on other disks too (haven't made up my mind yet). I'd like to fill out that collection, and I figured that putting up an anonymous ftp site would be a decent way of doing it without too much work. Before you get too happy about that, my machine is connected by a SLIP connection, but I have a pretty fast modem. Around 1k/sec is the average for compressed binary ftps. ****** Topic change ****** I looked at samdisk, and decided that it was simple enough that I'd just start from scratch. At any case, for anyone who has a NeXT (internal floppy), you can convert the sampler disks to a file with a single command. Converting back to the disk should just be the opposite. cat /dev/rfd0b >filename I'm in the process of writing a really cool sampler disk utility. Since when there is a sampler disk in the drive, /dev/rfd0b is exactly the same as a "samdisked" file, it makes life real easy. So far, you can take a disk (S-50, S-550, W-30), and convert all of the samples off of it to separate 16 bit signed raw sound files automatically (not too many sound converters can deal with 12 bit samples). This is really cool, cause it allows me to sample with 12 bit resolution on my W-30, and transfer the stuff to use on my NeXT. The built in ADC's (on the NeXT) only do 8-bit Mu-law sampling, and I'd have to spend a couple hundred to do 16 bit sampling. Soon, but not right now... At any case, I'm going to go ape with this utility, and may even have it doing some sample optimizing so that you can squeeze a couple more seconds of samples onto those disks. A full NeXT front end will be done, with tone and patch editors, and possibly even a sound editor. Give me suggestions, I'd love to hear them. The good stuff that I learn from all of this will be made public (like the format of the sampler disks), but most of the source code I'll keep to myself. When I get really brave, I'm going to try and add some more functions to my W-30's system disk. Anybody have a clue what microprocessor those things use? Derek From gjm@research.att.com Thu May 7 14:35:09 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA19892 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 7 May 92 14:35:07 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA08054 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Thu, 7 May 92 14:43:17 -0400 Received: from research.att.com by taipan.UWaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 May 92 14:25:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9205071825.AA01780@taipan.UWaterloo.ca> From: gjm@research.att.com Date: Thu, 7 May 92 14:25:07 EDT To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: disk format Status: RO Thanks to samdisk, I decoded the disk format yesterday, only to read the message this morning about similar ongoing efforts. Anyway, I have the following: a) the deciphered (S-550) sample-disk format b) an ASCII sample-disk dump program c) a simple program to print the disk label and contents d) a simple program to convert to an 8-bit raw sample file I can view and listen to the raw 8-bit file on an Amiga to verify that I'm correctly interpreting the 2 12-bit-word to 3 8-bit-byte packing. If there is enough interest, I can post the sources here, and/or add them to the library. Any volunteers to write an Amiga 8SVX converter? -Gary From gjm@research.att.com Fri May 8 15:57:16 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA01666 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 8 May 92 15:57:13 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA06050 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Fri, 8 May 92 16:15:12 -0400 Received: from research.att.com by taipan.UWaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 May 92 16:06:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9205082006.AA00988@taipan.UWaterloo.ca> From: gjm@research.att.com Date: Fri, 8 May 92 16:06:12 EDT To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: disk format and simple tools (shar file) Status: RO # This is a shell archive. # Remove everything above and including the cut line. # Then run the rest of the file through sh. #----cut here-----cut here-----cut here-----cut here----# #!/bin/sh # shar: Shell Archiver # Run the following text with /bin/sh to create: # README # rs12.h # raw8.c # samlabel.c # samprint.c # This archive created: Fri May 8 15:01:43 1992 cat << \SHAR_EOF > README rs12 (gjm@research.att.com) Fri May 8 15:53:48 EDT 1992 This package includes the following: rs12.h the deciphered (S-550) sample-disk format raw8.c convert sample data to an 8-bit raw sample file samprint.c detailed sample-disk dump in ASCII samlabel.c print sample-disk label and contents The sources are copyrighted but freely distributable for your own non-comercial use. Thanks to Pete Lyall for samdisk so that this could be done. I'd be interested in seeing the following: 1) an Amiga 8SVX converter Gary J. Murakami gjm@research.att.com SHAR_EOF cat << \SHAR_EOF > rs12.h #ifndef RS12_H #define RS12_H /************************************************************************/ /* NAME */ /* rs12.h */ /* DESCRIPTION */ /* Roland 12-bit-sampler disk format for the S-550, S-330, etc.). */ /* AUTHOR */ /* Copyright 1992 by Gary J. Murakami */ /* V1.0 (4 May 1992) Freely distibutable for non-comercial use. */ /* All other rights reserved. */ /************************************************************************/ #define SamplesPerSegment 12288 typedef unsigned char byte; typedef struct systemProgram { char data[0176000]; /* 0xFC00 == 64512 */ } SystemProgram; typedef struct patchParameter { byte patchName[12]; byte bendRange; byte dummy1[1]; byte afterTouchSense; byte keyMode; byte velocitySwThreshold; byte toneToKey1[109]; byte toneToKey2[109]; byte copySource; byte octaveShift; byte outputLevel; byte dummy2[1]; byte detune; byte velocityMixRatio; byte afterTouchAssign; byte keyAssign; byte outputAssign; byte dummy3[12]; } PatchParameter; typedef struct functionParameter { byte masterTune; byte dummy1[13]; byte audioTrig; byte dummy2[1]; byte voiceMode; byte multiMidiRxCh[8]; byte multiPatchNumber[8]; byte dummy3[9]; byte keyboardDisplay; byte multiLevel[8]; byte diskLabel[60]; byte dummy4[4]; byte externalController; byte dummy5[140]; } FunctionParameter; typedef struct midiParameter { byte dummy1[32]; byte rxChannel[8]; byte rxProgramChange[8]; byte rxBender[8]; byte rxModulation[8]; byte rxHold[8]; byte rxAfterTouch[8]; byte rxVolume[8]; byte rxBendRange[8]; byte dummy2[1]; byte systemExclusive; byte deviceId; byte dummy3[1]; byte rxProgramChangeNumber[32]; byte dummy4[124]; } MidiParameter; typedef struct toneParameter { byte toneName[8]; byte outputAssign; byte sourceTone; byte orgSubTone; byte samplingFrequency; byte origKeyNumber; byte waveBank; byte waveSegmentTop; byte waveSegmentLength; byte startPoint[3]; byte endPoint[3]; byte loopPoint[3]; byte loopMode; byte tvaLfoDepth; byte dummy1[1]; byte lfoRate; byte lfoSync; byte lfoDelay; byte dummy2[1]; byte lfoMode; byte oscLfoDepth; byte lfoPolarity; byte lfoOffset; byte transpose; byte fineTune; byte tvfCutOff; byte tvfResonance; byte tvfKeyFollow; byte dummy3[1]; byte tvfLfoDepth; byte tvfEgDepth; byte tvfEgPolarity; byte tvfLevelCurve; byte tvfKeyRateFollow; byte tvfVelocityRateFollow; byte dummy4[1]; byte tvfSwitch; byte benderSwitch; byte tvaEnvSustainPoint; byte tvaEnvEndPoint; byte tvaEnvLevel1; byte tvaEnvRate1; byte tvaEnvLevel2; byte tvaEnvRate2; byte tvaEnvLevel3; byte tvaEnvRate3; byte tvaEnvLevel4; byte tvaEnvRate4; byte tvaEnvLevel5; byte tvaEnvRate5; byte tvaEnvLevel6; byte tvaEnvRate6; byte tvaEnvLevel7; byte tvaEnvRate7; byte tvaEnvLevel8; byte tvaEnvRate8; byte dummy5[1]; byte tvaEnvKeyRate; byte level; byte envVelRate; byte recThreshold; byte recPreTrigger; byte recSamplingFrequency; byte recStartPoint[3]; byte recEndPoint[3]; byte recLoopPoint[3]; byte zoomT; byte zoomL; byte copySource; byte loopTune; byte tvaLevelCurve; byte dummy6[12]; byte loopLength[3]; byte pitchFollow; byte envZoom; byte tvfEnvSustainPoint; byte tvfEnvEndPoint; byte tvfEnvLevel1; byte tvfEnvRate1; byte tvfEnvLevel2; byte tvfEnvRate2; byte tvfEnvLevel3; byte tvfEnvRate3; byte tvfEnvLevel4; byte tvfEnvRate4; byte tvfEnvLevel5; byte tvfEnvRate5; byte tvfEnvLevel6; byte tvfEnvRate6; byte tvfEnvLevel7; byte tvfEnvRate7; byte tvfEnvLevel8; byte tvfEnvRate8; byte afterTouchSwitch; byte dummy7[2]; } ToneParameter; typedef struct toneList { byte toneName[8]; byte unknown[8]; } ToneList; typedef struct waveData { byte data[SamplesPerSegment*3/2]; } WaveData; typedef struct disk { SystemProgram systemProgram; /* 0000000 */ PatchParameter patchParameter[16]; /* 0176000 */ FunctionParameter functionParameter; /* 0206000 */ MidiParameter midiParameter; /* 0206400 */ ToneParameter toneParameter[32]; /* 0207000 */ ToneList toneList[32]; /* 0217000 */ WaveData waveDataA[18]; /* 0220000 */ WaveData waveDataB[18]; } Disk; #endif SHAR_EOF cat << \SHAR_EOF > raw8.c /************************************************************************/ /* NAME */ /* raw8 - convert Roland 12-bit-sample-disk to raw 8-bit samples */ /* SYNOPSIS */ /* raw8 roland-12-bit-sample-disk-file > raw-8-bit-sample-file */ /* DESCRIPTION */ /* raw8 converts Roland 12-bit-samples to raw 8-bit samples */ /* AUTHOR */ /* Copyright 1992 by Gary J. Murakami */ /* V1.0 (4 May 1992) Freely distibutable for non-comercial use. */ /* All other rights reserved. */ /************************************************************************/ #include #include "rs12.h" int sample(byte * p, int si) { int i, s; i = si*3/2; if (si % 2) /* odd */ { s = (*(p+i+1) & 0x80) ? (-1 << 11) : 0; s |= ((*(p+i) & 0x0F) /* << 0 */) | (*(p+i+1) << 4); } else /* even */ { s = (*(p+i) & 0x80) ? (-1 << 11) : 0; s |= ((*(p+i) & 0xFF) << 4) | ((*(p+i+1) & 0xF0) >> 4); } return (s); } void convertDisk(Disk * disk) { int seg, si; for (seg = 0; seg < 18; seg ++) for (si = 0; si < SamplesPerSegment; si++) putc(sample(disk->waveDataA[seg].data, si) >> 4, stdout); for (seg = 0; seg < 18; seg ++) for (si = 0; si < SamplesPerSegment; si++) putc(sample(disk->waveDataB[seg].data, si) >> 4, stdout); } Disk disk; main(int argc, char ** argv) { int i; FILE * fin; if (argc <= 1) { printf("usage: %s Roland-12-bit-sample-disk-file\n", argv[0]); exit(1); } i = 1; if (i < argc) { if ((fin = fopen(argv[i++], "r")) != NULL) { fread(&disk, sizeof(Disk), 1, fin); convertDisk(&disk); fclose(fin); } else printf("%s: open failed for \"%s\"\n", argv[0], argv[i]); } exit(0); } SHAR_EOF cat << \SHAR_EOF > samlabel.c /************************************************************************/ /* NAME */ /* samlabel - print a Roland 12-bit-sample-disk label and catalog */ /* SYNOPSIS */ /* samlabel roland-12-bit-sample-disk-file */ /* DESCRIPTION */ /* samlabel prints the disk label and contents for a Roland */ /* 12-bit sample-disk. */ /* The disk label layout is a bit strange. */ /* AUTHOR */ /* Copyright 1992 by Gary J. Murakami */ /* V1.0 (4 May 1992) Freely distibutable for non-comercial use. */ /* All other rights reserved. */ /************************************************************************/ #include #include "rs12.h" void printLabel(Disk * disk) { int i, j; byte * s; s = disk->functionParameter.diskLabel; printf("----------------\n"); printf("| %-12.12s |\n", s); s += 12; for (i = 0; i < 4; i++) { putchar('|'); putchar(' '); for (j = 0; j < 12; j++) putchar(*(s + j*4 + i)); putchar(' '); putchar('|'); putchar('\n'); } printf("----------------\n"); for (j = 0; j < 8; j++) { for (i = 0; i < 2; i++) printf("%d%d %-12.12s ", i + 1, j + 1, disk->patchParameter[i*8+j].patchName); putchar('\n'); } } Disk disk; main(int argc, char ** argv) { int i; FILE * fin; if (argc <= 1) { printf("usage: %s Roland-12-bit-sample-disk-file\n", argv[0]); exit(1); } i = 1; if (i < argc) { if ((fin = fopen(argv[i++], "r")) != NULL) { fread(&disk, sizeof(Disk), 1, fin); printLabel(&disk); fclose(fin); } else printf("%s: open failed for \"%s\"\n", argv[0], argv[i]); } exit(0); } SHAR_EOF cat << \SHAR_EOF > samprint.c /************************************************************************/ /* NAME */ /* samprint - ASCII dump for Roland 12-bit-sampler-disks */ /* SYNOPSIS */ /* samprint Roland-12-bit-sample-disk-files */ /* DESCRIPTION */ /* Samprint prints the contents of samples disks for the Roland */ /* 12-bit samplers (S-550, S-330, etc.). This verifies the disk */ /* format specified by the header file rs12.h that is derived from */ /* the MIDI implementation detailed in the S-550 Owners Manual. */ /* AUTHOR */ /* Copyright 1992 by Gary J. Murakami */ /* V1.0 (4 May 1992) Freely distibutable for non-comercial use. */ /* All other rights reserved. */ /************************************************************************/ #include #include "rs12.h" int int7(byte c) { signed char i; return (i = c); } long uint24(byte * p) { long i; i = *p++; i = (i << 8) + *p++; i = (i << 8) + *p++; return (i); } int sample(byte * p, int si) { int i, s; i = si*3/2; if (si % 2) /* odd */ { s = (*(p+i+1) & 0x80) ? (-1 << 11) : 0; s |= ((*(p+i) & 0x0F) /* << 0 */) | (*(p+i+1) << 4); } else /* even */ { s = (*(p+i) & 0x80) ? (-1 << 11) : 0; s |= ((*(p+i) & 0xFF) << 4) | ((*(p+i+1) & 0xF0) >> 4); } return (s); } void printDummy(char * n, int len, byte * p) { /* int i; printf("%24s[%d]\t%s\t", n, len, "0-127"); for (i = 0; i < len; i++) printf("%d ", *p++); putchar('\n'); */ } void printSystemProgram(SystemProgram * p) { printf("%24s[%s]\n", "data", "0000000:0176000"); } char * sKeyMode[] = {"Normal","V-Sw","X-Fade","V-Mix","Unison","","",""}; char * sAfterTouchAssign[] = {"Modulation","Volume","Bend +","Bend -", "Filter","","",""}; char * sKeyAssign[] = {"Rotary", "Fix"}; char * sOutputAssign[] = {"Out 1", "Out 2", "Out 3", "Out 4", "Out 5", "Out 6", "Out 7", "Out 8","Tone","","","","","","",""}; void printPatchParameter(PatchParameter * p) { int i; printf("%24s[1:12]\t%s\t\"%12s\"\n","patchName","ASCII",p->patchName); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","bendRange","0-11",p->bendRange); printDummy("dummy1", 1, p->dummy1); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","afterTouchSense","0-127",p->afterTouchSense); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","keyMode","0-4",p->keyMode, sKeyMode[p->keyMode&0x03]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n", "velocitySwThreshold","0-127",p->velocitySwThreshold); printf("%24s[1:109]\t%s\t","toneToKey1","0-31"); for (i = 0; i < 109; i++) printf("%d ",p->toneToKey1[i]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:109]\t%s\t","toneToKey2","0-31"); for (i = 0; i < 109; i++) printf("%d ",p->toneToKey2[i]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","copySource","0-7",p->copySource); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","octaveShift","-2-+2",int7(p->octaveShift)); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","outputLevel","0-127",p->outputLevel); printDummy("dummy2", 1, p->dummy2); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","detune","-64-+63",int7(p->detune)); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","velocityMixRatio","0-127",p->velocityMixRatio); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","afterTouchAssign","0-4",p->afterTouchAssign, sAfterTouchAssign[p->afterTouchAssign&0x3]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","keyAssign","0-1",p->keyAssign, sKeyAssign[p->keyAssign&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n", "outputAssign","0-8",p->outputAssign, sOutputAssign[p->outputAssign&0xF]); printDummy("dummy3", 12, p->dummy3); } char * sOffOn[] = {"Off", "On"}; char * sVoiceMode[] = {"VAL","VAF","F1","F2","F3","F4","F5","F6","F7","F8", "F9","F10","F11","F12","F13","F14","F15","F16","F17","F18","F19", "F20","F21","F22","","","","","","","",""}; char * sKeyboardDisplay[] = {"A","B","C","D","E","F","G","H","All", "","","","","","",""}; char * sExternalController[] = {"Off","Mouse","RC-100",""}; void printFunctionParameter(FunctionParameter * p) { int i; printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","masterTune","-64-+63",int7(p->masterTune)); printDummy("dummy1", 13, p->dummy1); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","audioTrig","0-1",p->audioTrig, sOffOn[p->audioTrig&0x1]); printDummy("dummy2", 1, p->dummy2); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","voiceMode","0-23",p->voiceMode, sVoiceMode[p->voiceMode&0x1F]); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","multiMidiRxCh","0-15"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d ", p->multiMidiRxCh[i]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","multiPatchNumber","0-31"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d ", p->multiPatchNumber[i]); putchar('\n'); printDummy("dummy3", 9, p->dummy3); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","keyboardDisplay","0-8",p->keyboardDisplay, sKeyboardDisplay[p->keyboardDisplay&0xF]); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","multiLevel","0-127"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d ", p->multiLevel[i]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:60]\t%s\t\"%60s\"\n", "diskLabel","ASCII",p->diskLabel); printDummy("dummy4", 4, p->dummy4); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","externalController","0-2",p->externalController, sExternalController[p->externalController&0x3]); printDummy("dummy5", 140, p->dummy5); } char * sRxChannel[] = {"1","2","3","4","5","6","7","8", "9","10","11","12","13","14","15","16", "Off","","","","","","","","","","","","","","",""}; void printMidiParameter(MidiParameter * p) { int i; printDummy("dummy1", 32, p->dummy1); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","rxChannel","0-16"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d(%s) ",p->rxChannel[i], sRxChannel[p->rxChannel[i]&0xF]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","rxProgramChange","0-1"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d(%s) ",p->rxProgramChange[i], sOffOn[p->rxProgramChange[i]&0x1]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","rxBender","0-1"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d(%s) ",p->rxBender[i], sOffOn[p->rxBender[i]&0x1]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","rxModulation","0-1"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d(%s) ",p->rxModulation[i], sOffOn[p->rxModulation[i]&0x1]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","rxHold","0-1"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d(%s) ",p->rxHold[i], sOffOn[p->rxHold[i]&0x1]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","rxAfterTouch","0-1"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d(%s) ",p->rxAfterTouch[i], sOffOn[p->rxAfterTouch[i]&0x1]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","rxVolume","0-1"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d(%s) ",p->rxVolume[i], sOffOn[p->rxVolume[i]&0x1]); putchar('\n'); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t","rxBendRange","0-1"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d(%s) ",p->rxBendRange[i], sOffOn[p->rxBendRange[i]&0x1]); putchar('\n'); printDummy("dummy2", 1, p->dummy2); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","systemExclusive","0-1",p->systemExclusive, sOffOn[p->systemExclusive&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","deviceId","0-15",p->deviceId); printDummy("dummy3", 1, p->dummy3); printf("%24s[1:32]\t%s\t","rxProgramChangeNumber","0-127"); for (i = 0; i < 32; i++) printf("%d ",p->rxProgramChangeNumber[i]); putchar('\n'); printDummy("dummy4", 124, p->dummy4); } char * sOrgSubTone[] = {"Org","Sub"}; char * sSamplingFrequency[] = {"30KHz","15KHz"}; char * sWaveBank[] = {"A","B"}; char * sLoopMode[] = {"Fwd","Alt","1Shot","Reverse"}; char * sLfoMode[] = {"Normal","One Shot"}; char * sLfoPolarity[] = {"Sine","Peak Hold"}; char * sTvfEgPolarity[] = {"Normal","Reverse"}; char * sRecPreTrigger[] = {"0ms","10ms","50ms","100ms"}; void printToneParameter(ToneParameter * p) { printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t\"%8s\"\n", "toneName","ASCII",p->toneName); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","outputAssign","0-7",p->outputAssign); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","sourceTone","0-31",p->sourceTone); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","orgSubTone","0-1",p->orgSubTone, sOrgSubTone[p->orgSubTone&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","samplingFrequency","0-1",p->samplingFrequency, sSamplingFrequency[p->samplingFrequency&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","origKeyNumber","11-120",p->origKeyNumber); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","waveBank","0-1",p->waveBank, sWaveBank[p->waveBank&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","waveSegmentTop","0-17",p->waveSegmentTop); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","waveSegmentLength","0-18",p->waveSegmentLength); printf("%24s[1:3]\t%s\t%ld\n","startPoint","0-221180",uint24(p->startPoint)); printf("%24s[1:3]\t%s\t%ld\n","endPoint","0-221180",uint24(p->endPoint)); printf("%24s[1:3]\t%s\t%ld\n","loopPoint","0-221180",uint24(p->loopPoint)); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","loopMode","0-3",p->loopMode, sLoopMode[p->loopMode&0x2]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaLfoDepth","0-127",p->tvaLfoDepth); printDummy("dummy1", 1, p->dummy1); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","lfoRate","0-127",p->lfoRate); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","lfoSync","0-1",p->lfoSync, sOffOn[p->lfoSync&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","lfoDelay","0-127",p->lfoDelay); printDummy("dummy2", 1, p->dummy2); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","lfoMode","0-127",p->lfoMode, sLfoMode[p->lfoMode&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","oscLfoDepth","0-127",p->oscLfoDepth); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","lfoPolarity","0-127",p->lfoPolarity, sLfoPolarity[p->lfoPolarity&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","lfoOffset","0-127",p->lfoOffset); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","transpose","0-127",p->transpose); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","fineTune","-64-+63",int7(p->fineTune)); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfCutOff","0-127",p->tvfCutOff); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfResonance","0-127",p->tvfResonance); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfKeyFollow","0-127",p->tvfKeyFollow); printDummy("dummy3", 1, p->dummy3); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfLfoDepth","0-127",p->tvfLfoDepth); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEgDepth","0-127",p->tvfEgDepth); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEgPolarity","0-127",p->tvfEgPolarity, sTvfEgPolarity[p->tvfEgPolarity&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfLevelCurve","0-5",p->tvfLevelCurve); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfKeyRateFollow","0-127",p->tvfKeyRateFollow); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfVelocityRateFollow","0-127",p->tvfVelocityRateFollow); printDummy("dummy4", 1, p->dummy4); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","tvfSwitch","0-1",p->tvfSwitch, sOffOn[p->tvfSwitch&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","benderSwitch","0-1",p->benderSwitch, sOffOn[p->benderSwitch&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvSustainPoint","0-7",p->tvaEnvSustainPoint); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvEndPoint","1-7",p->tvaEnvEndPoint); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvLevel1","0-127",p->tvaEnvLevel1); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvRate1","0-127",p->tvaEnvRate1); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvLevel2","0-127",p->tvaEnvLevel2); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvRate2","0-127",p->tvaEnvRate2); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvLevel3","0-127",p->tvaEnvLevel3); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvRate3","0-127",p->tvaEnvRate3); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvLevel4","0-127",p->tvaEnvLevel4); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvRate4","0-127",p->tvaEnvRate4); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvLevel5","0-127",p->tvaEnvLevel5); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvRate5","0-127",p->tvaEnvRate5); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvLevel6","0-127",p->tvaEnvLevel6); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvRate6","0-127",p->tvaEnvRate6); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvLevel7","0-127",p->tvaEnvLevel7); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvRate7","0-127",p->tvaEnvRate7); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvLevel8","0-127",p->tvaEnvLevel8); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvRate8","0-127",p->tvaEnvRate8); printDummy("dummy5", 1, p->dummy5); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaEnvKeyRate","0-127",p->tvaEnvKeyRate); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","level","0-127",p->level); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","envVelRate","0-127",p->envVelRate); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","recThreshold","0-127",p->recThreshold); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","recPreTrigger","0-3",p->recPreTrigger, sRecPreTrigger[p->recPreTrigger&0x3]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","recSamplingFrequency","0-1",p->recSamplingFrequency, sSamplingFrequency[p->recSamplingFrequency&0x1]); printf("%24s[1:3]\t%s\t%ld\n","recStartPoint","0-221180",uint24(p->recStartPoint)); printf("%24s[1:3]\t%s\t%ld\n","recEndPoint","0-221180",uint24(p->recEndPoint)); printf("%24s[1:3]\t%s\t%ld\n","recLoopPoint","0-221180",uint24(p->recLoopPoint)); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","zoomT","0-5",p->zoomT); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","zoomL","0-5",p->zoomL); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","copySource","0-31",p->copySource); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","loopTune","-64-+63",int7(p->loopTune)); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvaLevelCurve","0-5",p->tvaLevelCurve); printDummy("dummy6", 12, p->dummy6); printf("%24s[1:3]\t%s\t%ld\n","loopLength","0-221180",uint24(p->loopLength)); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","pitchFollow","0-1",p->pitchFollow, sOffOn[p->pitchFollow&0x1]); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","envZoom","0-5",p->envZoom); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvSustainPoint","0-7",p->tvfEnvSustainPoint); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvEndPoint","1-7",p->tvfEnvEndPoint); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvLevel1","0-127",p->tvfEnvLevel1); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvRate1","0-127",p->tvfEnvRate1); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvLevel2","0-127",p->tvfEnvLevel2); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvRate2","0-127",p->tvfEnvRate2); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvLevel3","0-127",p->tvfEnvLevel3); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvRate3","0-127",p->tvfEnvRate3); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvLevel4","0-127",p->tvfEnvLevel4); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvRate4","0-127",p->tvfEnvRate4); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvLevel5","0-127",p->tvfEnvLevel5); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvRate5","0-127",p->tvfEnvRate5); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvLevel6","0-127",p->tvfEnvLevel6); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvRate6","0-127",p->tvfEnvRate6); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvLevel7","0-127",p->tvfEnvLevel7); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvRate7","0-127",p->tvfEnvRate7); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvLevel8","0-127",p->tvfEnvLevel8); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d\n","tvfEnvRate8","0-127",p->tvfEnvRate8); printf("%24s\t%s\t%d(%s)\n","afterTouchSwitch","0-1",p->afterTouchSwitch, sOffOn[p->afterTouchSwitch&0x1]); printDummy("dummy7", 2, p->dummy7); } void printToneList(ToneList * p) { int i; printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t\"%8s\"\n", "toneName","ASCII",p->toneName); printf("%24s[1:8]\t%s\t", "unknown","0-127"); for (i = 0; i < 8; i++) printf("%d ", p->unknown[i]); putchar('\n'); } void printWaveData(WaveData * p) { int si; for (si = 0; si < SamplesPerSegment; si++) printf("[%d]\t%d\n", si, sample(p->data, si)); } void printDisk(Disk * disk) { int i; printf("systemProgram\n"); printSystemProgram(&disk->systemProgram); for (i = 0; i < 16; i++) { printf("patchParameter[%d]\n", i + 1); printPatchParameter(&disk->patchParameter[i]); } printf("functionParameter\n"); printFunctionParameter(&disk->functionParameter); printf("midiParameter\n"); printMidiParameter(&disk->midiParameter); for (i = 0; i < 32; i++) { printf("toneParameter[%d]\n", i + 1); printToneParameter(&disk->toneParameter[i]); } for (i = 0; i < 32; i++) { printf("toneList[%d]\n", i + 1); printToneList(&disk->toneList[i]); } for (i = 0; i < 18; i++) { printf("waveDataA[%d]\n", i + 1); printWaveData(&disk->waveDataA[i]); } for (i = 0; i < 18; i++) { printf("WaveDataB[%d]\n", i + 1); printWaveData(&disk->waveDataB[i]); } } Disk disk; main(int argc, char ** argv) { int i; FILE * fin; if (argc <= 1) { printf("usage: %s Roland-12-bit-sample-disk-files\n", argv[0]); exit(1); } i = 1; while (i < argc) { if ((fin = fopen(argv[i++], "r")) != NULL) { fread(&disk, sizeof(Disk), 1, fin); printDisk(&disk); fclose(fin); } else printf("%s: open failed for \"%s\"\n", argv[0], argv[i]); } exit(0); } SHAR_EOF # End of shell archive exit 0 From derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu Fri May 8 16:21:13 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA01740 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 8 May 92 16:21:12 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA06501 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Fri, 8 May 92 16:39:37 -0400 Received: from slab.slip.uiuc.edu by taipan.UWaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 May 92 16:35:15 -0400 Received: by slab.slip.uiuc.edu id AA08401 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca); Fri, 8 May 1992 15:30:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 May 1992 15:30:07 -0500 From: Derek Taubert Message-Id: <199205082030.AA08401@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.63) To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: RSB-550 series disks Status: RO I have placed all that I have of the RSB-550 disks on slab.slip.uiuc.edu for anonymous ftp (/samples/S-550/RSB-550). I encourage you to upload anything that isn't already there to /incoming. Files will be kept as disk space allows, and I'm looking around for compression routines for these disks. I've tried compress, but it doesn't always have good results. I'll be adding the additional info that is contained in a W-30 disk to rs12.h, and re-posting it soon. Does anyone know the format of the S-50's patchParameter? As far as I can see, that's about the only difference from a S-550 disk. Derek From derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu Sun May 17 05:42:25 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA01643 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Sun, 17 May 92 05:42:23 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA04488 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Sun, 17 May 92 05:53:59 -0400 Received: from slab.slip.uiuc.edu by taipan.UWaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 May 92 05:50:34 -0400 Received: by slab.slip.uiuc.edu id AA17314 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for sgroup@taipan.waterloo.edu); Sun, 17 May 1992 04:44:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 May 1992 04:44:23 -0500 From: Derek Taubert Message-Id: <199205170944.AA17314@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.63) To: sgroup@taipan.waterloo.edu Subject: nslookup slab.slip.uiuc.edu Status: RO >For those of us that don't know, can you post the internet address of slip. >.. uiuc.edu? Thanks!! >-Matt Name: slab.slip.uiuc.edu Address: 128.174.22.38 From derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu Thu May 21 15:37:22 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA04968 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 21 May 92 15:37:21 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA20862 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Thu, 21 May 92 15:48:54 -0400 Received: from slab.slip.uiuc.edu by taipan.UWaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 May 92 15:38:01 -0400 Received: by slab.slip.uiuc.edu id AA21105 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 21 May 1992 14:32:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 May 1992 14:32:08 -0500 From: Derek Taubert Message-Id: <199205211932.AA21105@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.63) To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: W-30 offsets Status: RO >Can anyone tell me the offsets to the waveform data contained in the >W-30 disks stored at taipan.uwaterloo.ca? I want to extract the RAW >waveform data for use on the S550. Same as the S550. /* 0 - 1FF General disk info 200 - DFF ??? E00 - D7F0 Song data (W-30 Sound & Song Data Disk) D800 - F7FF ROM Parameters (W-30 Sound & Song Data Disk) F800 - FBFF ROM Entries (W-30 Sound & Song Data Disk) FC00 - 10BFF Patch Parameters (S-50 differs from W-30 and S-550) 10C00 - 10DFF FUNC then MIDI Parameters 10E00 - 11DFF Tone Parameters 11E00 - 11FFF Tone Entries 12000 - 62FFF Sample Bank A 63000 - B3FFF Sample Bank B */ The W-30 and S550 disks are so darn close, I'm surprised that you can't just read them like S550 disks. Did you try that? Derek From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Wed Jun 24 15:05:36 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA26463 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 24 Jun 92 15:05:35 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA06430 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Wed, 24 Jun 92 15:17:33 -0400 Received: from ifi.uio.no ([129.240.64.2]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31134>; Wed, 24 Jun 1992 15:13:03 -0400 Received: from yrsa.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jun 1992 21:12:42 +0200 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by yrsa.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 24 Jun 1992 21:12:42 +0200 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1992 15:12:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199206241912.AAyrsa.ifi.uio.no28765@yrsa.ifi.uio.no> To: thomasfl@ifi.uio.no Cc: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Samlabel V1.01 Status: RO Here's an expanded version of Gary's samlabel wich gives you this output. Type: S550 ---------------- | Industrial | | Strength | | Techno Synth | | Percussion | | RSB-5504 | ---------------- 1 Industry 2 Velo 3 Timba 4 KlinkNklank 5 Jar 6 Pop 7 Zap! 8 Eerie 9 Eerie 2 10 Block Head 11 Noizee 1 12 13 14 15 16 1 CHESTIMB 0.4 2 Crick 0.4 3 Open HAT 0.4 x2 4 Klank 0.4 5 HI Q 1 0.4 6 HI Q 2 0.4 7 RZ TD S1 0.4 8 EERIE 1 0.4 9 REZNOIZ2 0.8 10 KLINK 1 0.4 11 REZNOIZ1 0.4 12 ZAPPO 1 0.8 13 SKRTCH 1 0.4 14 SKRATCH2 0.8 15 REZ LOG1 0.4 16 MOD ZAP1 0.4 17 Tumba 0.4 18 POPPP! 0.4 19 KRAKO 0.4 20 CHEESHAT 0.8 21 LOWBLK12 0.4 22 HiBlock1 0.4 23 MidBlock 0.4 24 AmbiaJar 0.8 25 KIKSNARE 0.4 26 HammrHit 0.8 x2 27 AIREXPLO 1.6 28 AIREXPLK SUB 27 29 AIREXPLR SUB 19 30 AIREXPLM SUB 20 31 AIREXPLP SUB 16 32 AIREXPLZ SUB 5 Wave Bank A 7.2 Wave Bank B 7.2 /************************************************************************/ /* NAME */ /* samlabel - print a Roland 12-bit-sample-disk label and catalog */ /* SYNOPSIS */ /* samlabel roland-12-bit-sample-disk-file */ /* DESCRIPTION */ /* samlabel prints the disk label and contents for a Roland */ /* 12-bit sample-disk. */ /* The disk label layout is a bit strange. */ /* */ /* Additional features for printing disk and tone type */ /* added by Thomas Flemming, V1.01 23 June 1992. */ /* */ /* AUTHOR */ /* Copyright 1992 by Gary J. Murakami */ /* V1.0 (4 May 1992) Freely distibutable for non-comercial use. */ /* All other rights reserved. */ /************************************************************************/ #include #include "rs12.h" void printLabel(Disk * disk) { int i, j, sec, sub ,tone ,freq, bank ; float secs, A,B ; byte * s; char *wptr; s = disk->functionParameter.diskLabel; disk->systemProgram.data[8] = 0; wptr = &disk->systemProgram.data[4]; /* The string wptr should be either "S-50", "S550", "S330" or "W-30". */ printf("Type: %s ----------------\n", wptr); printf(" | %-12.12s |\n", s); s += 12; for (i = 0; i < 4; i++) { printf(" |"); putchar(' '); for (j = 0; j < 12; j++) putchar(*(s + j*4 + i)); putchar(' '); putchar('|'); putchar('\n'); } printf(" ----------------\n"); for (i = 0; i < 16; i++) { printf("%2d %-12.12s ", i + 1, disk->patchParameter[i].patchName); putchar('\n'); } putchar('\n'); for (i = 0; i < 32; i++) { sec = disk->toneParameter[i].waveSegmentLength; sub = disk->toneParameter[i].sourceTone; freq = disk->toneParameter[i].samplingFrequency; bank = disk->toneParameter[i].waveBank; secs = sec*0.4; printf("%2d %-12.12s", i + 1 , disk->toneParameter[i].toneName); if (i!=sub) printf("SUB %d", sub+1); else { printf("%3.1f", secs); if (freq) printf(" x2"); } putchar('\n'); if (!bank) { if (i==sub) A=A+secs; } else { if (i==sub) B=B+secs; } } printf("Wave Bank A %3.1f Wave Bank B %3.1f\n",A,B); } Disk disk; main(int argc, char ** argv) { int i; FILE * fin; if (argc <= 1) { printf("usage: %s Roland-12-bit-sample-disk-file\n", argv[0]); exit(1); } i = 1; if (i < argc) { if ((fin = fopen(argv[i++], "r")) != NULL) { fread(&disk, sizeof(Disk), 1, fin); printLabel(&disk); fclose(fin); } else printf("%s: open failed for \"%s\"\n", argv[0], argv[i]); } exit(0); } From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Wed Jun 24 16:12:43 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA26828 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 24 Jun 92 16:12:42 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA08289 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Wed, 24 Jun 92 16:25:06 -0400 Received: from ifi.uio.no ([129.240.64.2]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31137>; Wed, 24 Jun 1992 16:18:16 -0400 Received: from gyda.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jun 1992 22:17:44 +0200 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by gyda.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 24 Jun 1992 22:17:43 +0200 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1992 16:17:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199206242017.AAgyda.ifi.uio.no26712@gyda.ifi.uio.no> To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Re: Samlabel V1.01 Status: RO > > > > #include > > #include "rs12.h" > ^^^^^^ > > I don't suppose this one is a standard header file for most > C compilers :-) > > gfd Okay, okay! By global demand; here it is, the superb original Roland-disk headerfile. PS! Has anyone written any program to defragmentate disks? Why not make a program that transform the contents into two samples in bank A and B, and the rest into sub-tones? It shouldn`t be that hard, but`s proabably a lot of work. -Thomas :-> #ifndef RS12_H #define RS12_H /************************************************************************/ /* NAME */ /* rs12.h */ /* DESCRIPTION */ /* Roland 12-bit-sampler disk format for the S-550, S-330, etc.). */ /* AUTHOR */ /* Copyright 1992 by Gary J. Murakami */ /* V1.0 (4 May 1992) Freely distibutable for non-comercial use. */ /* All other rights reserved. */ /************************************************************************/ #define SamplesPerSegment 12288 typedef unsigned char byte; typedef struct systemProgram { char data[0176000]; /* 0xFC00 == 64512 */ } SystemProgram; typedef struct patchParameter { byte patchName[12]; byte bendRange; byte dummy1[1]; byte afterTouchSense; byte keyMode; byte velocitySwThreshold; byte toneToKey1[109]; byte toneToKey2[109]; byte copySource; byte octaveShift; byte outputLevel; byte dummy2[1]; byte detune; byte velocityMixRatio; byte afterTouchAssign; byte keyAssign; byte outputAssign; byte dummy3[12]; } PatchParameter; typedef struct functionParameter { byte masterTune; byte dummy1[13]; byte audioTrig; byte dummy2[1]; byte voiceMode; byte multiMidiRxCh[8]; byte multiPatchNumber[8]; byte dummy3[9]; byte keyboardDisplay; byte multiLevel[8]; byte diskLabel[60]; byte dummy4[4]; byte externalController; byte dummy5[140]; } FunctionParameter; typedef struct midiParameter { byte dummy1[32]; byte rxChannel[8]; byte rxProgramChange[8]; byte rxBender[8]; byte rxModulation[8]; byte rxHold[8]; byte rxAfterTouch[8]; byte rxVolume[8]; byte rxBendRange[8]; byte dummy2[1]; byte systemExclusive; byte deviceId; byte dummy3[1]; byte rxProgramChangeNumber[32]; byte dummy4[124]; } MidiParameter; typedef struct toneParameter { byte toneName[8]; byte outputAssign; byte sourceTone; byte orgSubTone; byte samplingFrequency; byte origKeyNumber; byte waveBank; byte waveSegmentTop; byte waveSegmentLength; byte startPoint[3]; byte endPoint[3]; byte loopPoint[3]; byte loopMode; byte tvaLfoDepth; byte dummy1[1]; byte lfoRate; byte lfoSync; byte lfoDelay; byte dummy2[1]; byte lfoMode; byte oscLfoDepth; byte lfoPolarity; byte lfoOffset; byte transpose; byte fineTune; byte tvfCutOff; byte tvfResonance; byte tvfKeyFollow; byte dummy3[1]; byte tvfLfoDepth; byte tvfEgDepth; byte tvfEgPolarity; byte tvfLevelCurve; byte tvfKeyRateFollow; byte tvfVelocityRateFollow; byte dummy4[1]; byte tvfSwitch; byte benderSwitch; byte tvaEnvSustainPoint; byte tvaEnvEndPoint; byte tvaEnvLevel1; byte tvaEnvRate1; byte tvaEnvLevel2; byte tvaEnvRate2; byte tvaEnvLevel3; byte tvaEnvRate3; byte tvaEnvLevel4; byte tvaEnvRate4; byte tvaEnvLevel5; byte tvaEnvRate5; byte tvaEnvLevel6; byte tvaEnvRate6; byte tvaEnvLevel7; byte tvaEnvRate7; byte tvaEnvLevel8; byte tvaEnvRate8; byte dummy5[1]; byte tvaEnvKeyRate; byte level; byte envVelRate; byte recThreshold; byte recPreTrigger; byte recSamplingFrequency; byte recStartPoint[3]; byte recEndPoint[3]; byte recLoopPoint[3]; byte zoomT; byte zoomL; byte copySource; byte loopTune; byte tvaLevelCurve; byte dummy6[12]; byte loopLength[3]; byte pitchFollow; byte envZoom; byte tvfEnvSustainPoint; byte tvfEnvEndPoint; byte tvfEnvLevel1; byte tvfEnvRate1; byte tvfEnvLevel2; byte tvfEnvRate2; byte tvfEnvLevel3; byte tvfEnvRate3; byte tvfEnvLevel4; byte tvfEnvRate4; byte tvfEnvLevel5; byte tvfEnvRate5; byte tvfEnvLevel6; byte tvfEnvRate6; byte tvfEnvLevel7; byte tvfEnvRate7; byte tvfEnvLevel8; byte tvfEnvRate8; byte afterTouchSwitch; byte dummy7[2]; } ToneParameter; typedef struct toneList { byte toneName[8]; byte unknown[8]; } ToneList; typedef struct waveData { byte data[SamplesPerSegment*3/2]; } WaveData; typedef struct disk { SystemProgram systemProgram; /* 0000000 */ PatchParameter patchParameter[16]; /* 0176000 */ FunctionParameter functionParameter; /* 0206000 */ MidiParameter midiParameter; /* 0206400 */ ToneParameter toneParameter[32]; /* 0207000 */ ToneList toneList[32]; /* 0217000 */ WaveData waveDataA[18]; /* 0220000 */ WaveData waveDataB[18]; } Disk; #endif From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Wed Jun 24 16:52:53 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA27046 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 24 Jun 92 16:52:52 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA09690 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Wed, 24 Jun 92 17:05:32 -0400 Received: from Sun.COM ([192.9.9.1]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31139>; Wed, 24 Jun 1992 17:01:17 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag-bb.Corp.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17862; Wed, 24 Jun 92 14:00:29 PDT Received: from metalloid.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14082; Wed, 24 Jun 92 14:00:31 PDT Received: by metalloid.Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01282; Wed, 24 Jun 92 14:00:54 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1992 17:00:54 -0400 From: Mark.Loomis@Eng.Sun.COM (Mark Loomis) Message-Id: <9206242100.AA01282@metalloid.Eng.Sun.COM> To: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no Subject: Re: Sample->Textfile converters Cc: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO >..BTW I wrote a program for the mac which extracts the samples > (= Tone data ) from the image files and saves them in a > DigiDesign sound format, so I can send them over MIDI/SCSI > to my EPS. Terje! Are you planning to post this utility to the sgroup? I would be very interested in seeing this since I was planning to do exactly what you have already done - I am using the Digidesign boards (Audiomedia and SampleCell) as well as an EPS, so your program could save me a lot of time trying to convert all of the Roland image files. BTW, are you using MIDI or SCSI to upload/download samples to the EPS? I am assuming you are using SDII since you mentioned Digi. Thanks, Mark Loomis loomis@eng.sun.com From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Wed Jul 1 12:43:55 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA12813 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 1 Jul 92 12:43:53 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA07914 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Wed, 1 Jul 92 13:44:27 -0400 Received: from usl.com ([147.2.200.17]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31134>; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:42:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:32:00 -0400 From: gfd@usl.com (George Demarest +1 908 522 6363) To: SGROUP@taipan.uwaterloo.ca, Mark Simon Subject: Re: digitizer tablet Received: from usl by usl.com; Wed, 1 Jul 1992 13:32 EDT Content-Type: text Content-Length: 881 Message-Id: <92Jul1.134226edt.31134@taipan.uwaterloo.ca> Status: RO > About a year ago when I bought my S-50, the dealer tried to sell > me "Digitizer tablet" that goes with it, upon which you're supposed to > be able to draw your own waveforms and edit pre-existing samples. Has > anyone out there had good results with this device? Have you produced > usable sounds with it? Can you use it to smooth the "pops" out of loop > points? Is the thing worth having? > > --Mark Simon > tip@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu I have not used one, personally. But second hand I have heard that they are mostly useful for drawing Envelope curves and the like. I would imagine it would be pretty difficult to come up with a good waveform by hand. Something grungy would probably be pretty easy :-). Sample editting may be a little tedious as well. Anyway, not much help, I guess, but some. gfd From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Thu Jul 2 11:35:30 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA16709 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 2 Jul 92 11:35:29 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA06143 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Thu, 2 Jul 92 11:36:23 -0400 Received: from usl.com ([147.2.200.17]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31134>; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 11:30:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 11:18:00 -0400 From: gfd@usl.com (George Demarest +1 908 522 6363) To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Library update Received: from usl by usl.com; Thu, 2 Jul 1992 11:18 EDT Content-Type: text Content-Length: 7373 Message-Id: <92Jul2.113037edt.31134@taipan.uwaterloo.ca> Status: RO I have just gotten some new samples from Kyle Burson. See below. The Rules are below the list. Note mt NEW ADDRESS below gfd =============================================================================== Sample List as of 7/2/92 Supplier Instrument Comments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Tycholis Yamaha RX-5* drum machine (complete) Neil Kawai R-100* drum machine (complete) (Neil) R. Walter Alesis HR-16* drum machine gfd Oberheim Matrix 1000 analog synth (2 full disks). bass sounds, square wave lead, electronic percussion-type sounds (in a kit). Neil Roland D-50 pads (half a disk) gfd Korg M3r (1 disk; others soon) Bass, lead sound, Acoustic Bass layered with conga (very nice). gfd Korg SG-1D sampled grand (1 disk) sampled by a friend. Very interesting stereo effect makes you seem like you're "inside" the piano. very nice. all Miscelaneous guitar shots, CD player fast forwarding, chordal vocal samples, DX rhodes sound, D. Tycholis Assorted Basses bass-type samples from DX7, Steinberger T. Flemming stabs & effects some stereo, brass, orchestral shots. T. Flemming stabs & synths more stabs, korg synths, synth basses. T. Flemming assorted voices speech clips such as "Hit it!", "This is a Journey into Sound" and others. T. Flemming JB samples Assorted James Brown Owws, Yeahs and other-worldy noises. Includes some groove samples. D. Tycholis MC Hammer Samples of raw instrumentals of "U Can't Touch Dis" including some choice quotes. This package includes a sequence disk for the Mac Sequencer "performer" that strings the samples together for an S-550. W. Fox Money Samples from the beginning of Pink Floyd's song _Money_ and some voices. gfd trumpet samples mellow trumpet sound multi-sample. Sampled in my studio. Also hard attack. T. Flemming Alesis HR-16B drum machine (2 disks) (complete). T. Flemming Roland TR808 TR909 drum machines. gfd Roland R8 Rock set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Latin set gfd Roland R8 Ethnic set gfd Roland R8 Electronic set gfd Roland R8 Jazz set (with brushes) gfd Roland R8 Power set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Sound Effects set gfd Roland R8 TR707/505 set gfd Roland R8 Mallet set gfd Korg M3r drum sounds, with new deranged sounds added. Neil Industrial 1 steel spikes, disk sanders, clangs, bangs and booms. Neil Industrial 2 lawn mowers from hell, doors closing and more. Neil Guitar riffs guitar screeches, chords and riffs. fool your friends! Neil Distorted drums these are some of the noisiest, ugliest, crackliest drum sounds you'll ever meet. Two thumbs up! Direct evidence of Neil's rapidly dementing mind. Neil Proteus 1 - 5 5 disks of Proteus samples. What else? Eric C. Roland D-110 drum samples. (2 disks) Erik FX sound fx. T. Flemming Bolero! A do it yourself kit for Ravel's Bolero. gfd Synclavier Percussion tablas (7 samples), flanged tablas, kick (basketball), and snare (pistol shot). gfd Synclavier Winds Jazz Ensemble (Sax trombone and trumpet) (Awesome in the low register). Brass Ensemble (trombone trumpet) Nice for hits. Flute chirps (also awesome in the low register). =========================== -New Releases- =============================== Kyle Burson break beats a group of 5 or six wildly different beats that fit together at the same tempo. cool. Kyle Burson hits, stabs, vocal includes a really wild vocal sample samples either from heaven or outer space. kyle? ============================================================================ ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 1/13/92) OK, here we go. Some very basic guidelines: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. Access to the S-library depends on your participation alone. A single contribution in earnest to the library will get you access to the entire library. Think of your contribution as the initiation fee. From then on, you can request any disks in the library. Please limit to 10 disks each mailing. 4. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 5. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. The SASE should also have YOUR address as the return address. For people in countries outside the US who send money for posting: this does not exempt you from supplying a self-addressed envelope. Also, payment for postage should be in US currency. 8. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 9. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 10. My NEW Address: George Demarest 1165 Hillside Avenue Plainfield, NJ 07060 (908) 522-6363 (weekdays) 11. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 12. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate (unless you intentionally wish to have a real nasty sound - NEIL!!!!). There really is a difference! 13. Send me e-mail describing what and when you are sending me. Please do this before you send it out. I read mail every day and respond immediately to anything I get. 14. Include a list of sounds that you have already gotten from me if applicable. This will eliminate the possibility of you getting the same stuff more than once. 15. Please refrain from sending samples that you have bought from someone else. Not that I'm afraid of getting sued, more so that it's not fair to them. Do your own sampling! 16. Samples can be sent on DAT tape. I have DAT and an easy way of getting DAT data down to the samplers. Of course, don't send 60 minutes worth of samples on DAT, but if there is a stereo sample that you think is exceptional, send it on DAT. All tapes will be returned intact unless otherwise requested. 17. DO NOT send originals. Send me copies of your sounds. You never know what you may get back! :-) =========================== Bonus Request ==================================== Eric C. did me the courtesy of actually printing the names of the disks he wanted on his pre-formatted disk labels. This makes it very clear and very easy for me to know exactly what you want. I wont demand this from all you jokers out there, but, it did speed up the process. A+ for Eric! From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Thu Jul 16 17:09:20 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA09610 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 16 Jul 92 17:09:19 EDT Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA27940 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Thu, 16 Jul 92 17:14:35 -0400 Received: from WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM ([192.26.147.1]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31143>; Thu, 16 Jul 1992 17:06:00 -0400 Received: from WLBR.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM by WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (5.65/1.35) id AA20698; Thu, 16 Jul 92 14:05:38 -0700 Received: by WLBR.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (5.61++/1.25) id AA03485; Thu, 16 Jul 92 14:05:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1992 17:05:32 -0400 From: pete%WLBR@WLV.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM (Pete Lyall) Message-Id: <9207162105.AA03485@WLBR.IIPO.GTEGSC.COM> To: SGROUP@taipan.uwaterloo.ca, gfd@usl.com Subject: Re: S-330 Mouse Status: RO I think I managed to get my mouse for $75 or so from Jamie O'Connel, who was running the Music Alley Online stuff on Compuserve. He's since left them, and has another music mail order service. Sorry - I haven't go the number handy... wait a a minute... =============================================================================== Here's all you need to know: Jamie Robertson (formerly of Music Alley) and his buddy Jerry (who ran the Sound Deals 800 number for mail orders) have split, apparently in an amicable fashion, from Music Alley. The new store, which is still getting set up but IS open for business, is going to be called "Music Services", with Sound Deals as a subsidiary. The address is: 201 Park Ridge Circle Birmingham, AL 35216 The telephone number is 205-979-1811, and Jamie's Email address is 72130.1746@compuserve.com He says he's getting the phone company to set up an 800 number, but it may take a few weeks before it's up and going (and some time after that to get advertised in KEYBOARD). When I spoke to him, he was down with the flu but still manning the phones; he says he prefers to get calls between 1000 and 1900 EST, but will answer emergency requests any time day or night. As I said before, I am not associated with Jamie in any way other than as a VERY satisfied customer. I got my Mackie and my Microwave from these guys for the best prices I'd seen, and everything was delivered promptly, in good shape, and with little smiley-faces drawn on the receipts. |-> One favor he's asked, though: if you DO call him, mention that you heard it here first-- he wants to gauge the size of the Net-crowd interested in his store. Thanks. =============================================================================== From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Mon Aug 17 07:00:50 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA00300 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 17 Aug 92 07:00:49 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA05125 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Mon, 17 Aug 92 03:00:10 -0400 Received: from hp4at.eunet.co.at ([131.130.249.2]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31188>; Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:58:59 -0400 Received: from pag.wang.co.at ([192.68.4.3]) by hp4at.eunet.co.at with SMTP id AA01433 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:58:08 +0200 Received: by pag.wang.co.at (5.59/mza); id AA12997; Mon, 17 Aug 92 08:50:34 MES From: Michael Zacherl Message-Id: <9208171150.AA12997@pag.wang.co.at> Simplesender: mza@pag.wang.co.at Subject: Re: Memoryexpansion for S330?? To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler Group) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:50:32 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: mza@pag.wang.co.at X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > From: keeler@hercules (Jason Keeler) Jason, your e-mailaddress is incomplete! > > Is there any 3rd party upgrade to increase memory in the S330?? > > > You bet. PA-Decoder has an expansion which allows you to install up to 5 MB > of extra memory. The basic memory expansion which simply doubles your sampling > time, costs $498US (directly through PA-Decoder). This also gives you a new > 2U rack to house the extra board and ram card(s). In addition, they also > provide you with a new operating system to access the new ram. > > You can contact them at the following address: > > PA-DECODER > 1258, South Ogden Drive > Los Angeles, CA > 90019 > (213)938-8924 > > ...Jason Keeler Thanks a lot!! Does this Expansion still have the annoying memoryblocking??? Just by chance, you got a FAX# of them (we have 9 hours timeshift to LA) Thanks, /m -- Michael Zacherl, Wang Austria Ltd., Vienna | E-MAIL: mza@pag.wang.co.at | "Everything is possible, PHONE: +43 (1) 89-111 ext. 433 | but nothing is real" FAX: +43 (1) 894-17-14 | (Living Colour) From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Mon Aug 31 13:14:53 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA10140 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:14:52 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA06268 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:15:52 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.2.50]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30823>; Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:13:09 -0400 Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <08649-0@pat.uio.no>; Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:07:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:07:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9208311707.AAfidibus15504@fidibus.uio.no> Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca From: Terje Finstad Subject: Re: Time compressing at Roland samplers Status: RO FLAVIO BRESSAN wrote: >Hello guys, > > So far I know, S770 and S750 are the only that have the time >compression/expansion feature. > Someone have any idea of how to do this with the others Roland >samplers? To adapt the BPM of the music to the BPM of the sample is what >I doing actually, but and if I want change the BPM of the sample, without >change the sample pitch? > Sample dump? Don't sopported! > Maybe with the help of the SAMDISK program, and a PC sample editor? >I think this is more realistic, but there is a PC program like this? I wrote a program that extracts selected samples out of Roland sampler disks and images. I wrote this for the Mac but I also made a PC version which save the samples in several different formats. In addition there are format converters available so it should always be possible to get the samples in a format an editor understand, I think. The PC version worked with the formats I could test myself with import to applications. There are also programs like 'csound' available(=free). This can run on a 386 and even a 286. I think, without having first hand experience with csound for the PC, that you can do a lot of sample manupulations with that program. It is not as intuitive and easy to use as a sample editor however. It is more like a programming language ( well it is C with extensions sort of ?). Compression and expansion I am sure you could do,- how well? I haven't a clue. In addition to doing sample manipulations with csound, you can calculate samples ( for instance with FM operators) , (it is more tedious than dialing on a yamaha, just a friendly warning :)) terje From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Tue Sep 1 18:55:36 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA15440 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:55:35 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA29240 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:57:56 -0400 Received: by taipan.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <31353>; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:55:34 -0400 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu ([128.223.32.35]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31352>; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:00:46 -0400 Received: from prospero.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA13752; Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:59:58 PDT Received: by prospero.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-11/11/90) id AA12872; Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:59:56 PDT From: bob@prospero.uoregon.edu (Bob Weigel) Message-Id: <9209012159.AA12872@prospero.uoregon.edu> Subject: s-10 manual To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:59:56 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Status: RO A friend of mine needs a manual for the S-10. Would anyone be so kind as to copy one for $10? Thanks, bob@prospero.uoregon.edu From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Tue Sep 1 18:58:15 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA15447 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:58:14 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA29290 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Tue, 1 Sep 92 19:00:36 -0400 Received: by taipan.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <31352>; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:57:31 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31309>; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:35:09 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <168168-3>; Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:34:53 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: welcome some new members to the list ... Message-Id: <92Sep1.173453edt.168168-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:34:39 -0400 Status: RO This is to welcome some new members to the sgroup list: John Ladasky Brad Eacker Mark Geiman Jon Jenssen As always, there should be information available for FTP on taipan.uwaterloo.ca in pub/sgroup. It's been a little quiet out there lately ... John Sellens sgroup list maintainer jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Wed Sep 2 14:30:07 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA18887 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:30:05 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA02321 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:40:20 -0400 Received: from vms2.ecs.rpi.edu ([128.113.5.14]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31357>; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:38:14 -0400 Received: by vms.ecs.rpi.edu (MX V3.1C) id 1652; Wed, 02 Sep 1992 14:38:55 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:38:49 -0400 From: Graham Doig To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <00960055.DD542DA0.1652@vms.ecs.rpi.edu> Subject: Re: S-550 & RGB Monitors Status: RO > > My question is, does any one know enough about the IIe or GS to tell me if > > this monitor would be compatible with my S-550. Seems to me that this would > > be a nice cheap RGB replacement for my little B&W TV I am now using as a > > monitor. > > I know enough about the IIgs, but I don't know enough about the S-550 to answer > this question. Tell me what you need from the RGB monitor, and I can tell you > if it'll do it. > I took the time to figure this out about a month ago. It turns out that an IBM CGA monitor will work if you invert the horizontal and vertical sync signals. I did this with a simple 7400-series TTL inverter chip. I put it in a small box which gets connected as shown below: +-------+ +----------+ +---------+ | | | | | | | S-550 |--------->| inverter |--------->| CGA | | | | box | | monitor | +-------+ +----------+ +---------+ Power for the inverter comes from one of the pins on the S-550 digital video output. From memory, I believe the pinout diagrams for the video output in the S-550 manual are correct; I think they show the 8-pin DIN socket on the sample with positive sync signals. The pinout shown for the type of connector on the CGA monitor has negative sync signals, so I tried the inversion. People have told me that some Atari monitor works without an inverter, so I would imagine that some monitors accept non-inverted sync signals (or perhaps they can use either polarity). The Apple monitor may be that type. Anyway, this worked for me. ---------------------------------------- Graham Doig (graham@vms.ecs.rpi.edu) Sr. Systems Programmer RPI ECS, Troy, NY 12180 ---------------------------------------- From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Thu Sep 3 15:45:22 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA02009 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:45:21 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA15312 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:49:11 -0400 Received: from hercules.cs.uregina.ca ([142.3.200.90]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31353>; Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:43:41 -0400 Received: by hercules.cs.uregina.ca (5.61/1.34) id AA07442; Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:42:09 -0600 From: keeler@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Jason Keeler) Message-Id: <9209031942.AA07442@hercules.cs.uregina.ca> Subject: Re: PA DECODER memory expansion to W30? To: 87141167@brufsc.bitnet (Flavio) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:42:08 -0400 Cc: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler Group) In-Reply-To: <92Sep2.113114edt.9140@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca>; from "Flavio" at Sep 2, 92 7:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > > Hi Jason, > > New ROM banks? Internal HARDDRIVES? To W30? I'm dreaming!!!!! > Where? Who? How much? :-)))) > Hey, Jason, send the answers to Sgroup, to all fellows! > > Very thanks for enlight a new hope for my W30!!!, > Flavio > The name of the company is PA-DECODER. Their address is as follows: PA-DECODER 1258 South Ogden Drive Los Angeles, CA 90019 (213)938-8924 Here is a quick summary: W-30/S-330 Basic Memory Expansion (incl. 1 Ram Card) $498 W-30/S-330 Installation of the Basicboard $78 W-30/S-330 1 Ram Card $199 W-30 1 Rom Bank $199 W-30 Programming A Rom Bank - up to 30 sample $43 - each additional sample $1 W-30 40MB Internal Harddrive, 17ms $533 W-30 80MB Internal Harddrive, 17ms $698 Necessary for harddrive: Power-supply, 40W, 110V-240V $149 Installation harddrive $47 W-30 SCSI-Interface $153 All prices are in US dollars. Hope this helps.... ...Jason From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Tue Sep 8 15:46:16 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA17418 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:46:15 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA08996 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:49:03 -0400 Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.8.98]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31354>; Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:42:19 -0400 Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA08191; Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:41:06 -0400 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.5v4); Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:13:52 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: The most recent OS for S-550(ADDRS FOR ROLAND USERS GROUP ENCLOSED) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:13:52 -0400 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.d4stfo@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4 Status: RO In Regards to your letter <199209081228.AA16124@lise17.lise.unit.no>: > > > Thanks for your reply, David! > > > Anyway, I wrote to > >the Roland Users Group Magazine asking them how I could get it and > >they mailed it to me free. So, I would suggest writing to them. > > And the question is: > > What is their address? > > > Greetings form Norway, > Jon Jenssen > > > jonjen@lise.unit.no > Here is the address for the Roland Users Group: Roland Users Group mgazine is published by: Roland Corporation US 7200 Dominion Circle Los Angeles, CA 90040 (213) 685-5141 Publisher: Thomas L. Beckmen Assoicate Publisher: Nancy Kewin Assoicate Publisher and Editor: Tommy Gear From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Sat Oct 3 03:26:46 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA04286 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Sat, 3 Oct 92 03:26:45 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA07914 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Sat, 3 Oct 92 03:29:06 -0400 Received: from reggae.concert.net ([128.109.131.3]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30758>; Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:15:09 -0400 Received: from lambada.oit.unc.edu by reggae.concert.net (5.59/tas-reggae/8-15-92) id AA14083; Fri, 2 Oct 92 04:29:12 -0400 From: Received: by lambada.oit.unc.edu (5.57/TAS/11-16-88) id AA25303; Fri, 2 Oct 92 04:27:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9210020827.AA25303@lambada.oit.unc.edu> Subject: Attn. Don Law To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:27:56 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Sorry to have to write to the group for this, but I seem to have lost Don Law's e-mail address. The check I sent for the S-10 manual came back with an "insufficient address" sticker on it while I was on vacation. If you hear me Don, could you send a working address and I'll try again. I used the Ada development, MS404, Encore Computer Corp. thing last time. Thanks, Bob Weigel From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Thu Oct 8 08:20:00 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA03684 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 8 Oct 92 08:19:59 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA20221 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Thu, 8 Oct 92 08:21:45 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30762>; Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:16:57 -0400 From: nastasi@mtuxo.att.com Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:11:00 -0400 To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Cc: nastasi@mtuxo.uucp Subject: S-220 Message-Id: <92Oct8.081657edt.30762@taipan.uwaterloo.ca> Status: RO Hello from a new guy! I own a S-220 (not state of the art, but it works). I was wondering if anyone has any sysex experience with it. I have a HyperCard stack that will save and load samples to a Mac's hard disk (causing me to run out of space, of course, but it's better than those damn QD's :-) I wanted to access some of the editing functions and I am getting nowhere. I love Roland manuals - geez, I'd be shot for publishing documentation like that! BTW, I do know about the checksum deal. I also would like to hear from all of the S-220 (S-10 since it uses the same QD from hell :-). I hope I'm not the only one who owns a dinosoar... Cheers, Joe Nastasi AT&T, Middletown, NJ (908) 957-6365 7am-4pm EST M-F PS: yes, I'd be willing to distribute the stack to this group, if there is interest. I'd like to clean it up first. From nastasi@mtuxo.att.com Thu Oct 8 12:14:36 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA04562 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:14:34 EDT Received: from att.att.com (att-out.att.com) by ns.encore.com with SMTP id AA23517 (5.59/UK-2.1-920930); Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:17:47 EDT Message-Id: <23517.9210081617@ns.encore.com> From: nastasi@mtuxo.att.com Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:10 EDT To: Don Law Subject: Re: S-220 Status: RO Hi Don, Yes, I use SysEx. It's sort of semi-automatic in the sense that the program prompts you to put the S-220 into recieve and xmit modes with a dialog box. I'd like to make it smarter, so it's completely automatic, but no luck so far. The stack also allows you to select the structures and the dual, delay, detune, velocity switch and velocity fade modes from the Mac. That was easy because it's basically a program change command. Later... Joe From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Fri Oct 16 09:57:42 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA07229 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 16 Oct 92 09:57:41 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA21874 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Fri, 16 Oct 92 09:56:25 -0400 Received: from usl.com ([147.2.200.17]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30757>; Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:53:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:48:00 -0400 From: gfd@usl.com (George Demarest +1 908 522 6363) To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Cc: borzieri@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Subject: Re: S50 Info Received: from usl by usl.com; Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:48 EDT Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1538 Message-Id: <92Oct16.095334edt.30757@taipan.uwaterloo.ca> Status: RO Ivan had some questions about the S samplers. A quick list: Feature S-50 S-330 S-550 ======================================================================== Keyboard YES NO NO Sample Memory 14.4 secs@ 14.4 sec@ 28.8 secs @ 30Mhz smplng 30Mhz smplng 30Mhz smpling rate* rate* rate* Patch memory 8 16 16 (?) not sure Mouse Functionality NO YES YES Video port YES YES YES SCSI support available NO 3rd party from Roland Filtering BASIC YES YES READ S-50 YES with conversion ditto utility included with OS. READ S-550/S-330 with library YES YES converter (SYS-505 from Roland)** READ W-30 NO NO NO * - 2X sampling time at the 15 Mhz sampling rate ** - This is a product that Roland has the gall to sell. So, whereas I do own this program, I can't just distribute it willy nilly. Of course, if you happened to let a disk fall into my hands and I just happen to MISTAKENLY make a copy of it and I ACCIDENTALLY mail it back to you, well, who could blame us!! :-) This program also allows you to load patches + tones from a disk rather than each separately as you must now. It will also save S-50 disks to S-330 disks although you can't format S-330 disks. Yes, Roland software designers are shitheads... ======================================================================== I know there are other differences, but these are the major ones. Some may be inaccurate, anyone out there feel free to clarify. From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Fri Oct 16 10:39:24 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA07357 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 16 Oct 92 10:39:23 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA22665 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Fri, 16 Oct 92 10:38:05 -0400 Received: from ifi.uio.no ([129.240.64.2]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30758>; Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:34:07 -0400 Received: from gyda.ifi.uio.no by ifi.uio.no with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:33:27 +0100 From: Thomas Flemming Received: by gyda.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:33:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:33:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199210161433.AAgyda.ifi.uio.no23839@gyda.ifi.uio.no> To: borzieri@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com Cc: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: Ivan Borzieri's message of Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:22:59 -0400 <9210161322.AA23616@cavour.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> Subject: Re: Problems in compiling utils /Msg To Neil H. / Msg to GJM / Status: RO I've had the same problem on sun4 and sun3. Fortunate enough I have access to a DecStation, and it compiles perfectly. BTW! I think prof. Terje Finstad, here at the University of Oslo, has made an utility to transfer disk-image files into AIFF interchangeable format and the other way around. It also transfer loop points. PS! Is there anyone out there currently running a hard disk with the W-30. Last time I played some of the crowd was shouting 'harddisk harddisk'. If I buy a standard harddisk, and the SCSI interface doesn't cost to much, it might be a solution. I could use the harddisk even if I sell the W-30. I won't be satisfied with 28 secs. sampling time forever you know. Thomas Flemming From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Fri Oct 16 16:35:14 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA08516 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:35:13 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA27915 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:33:44 -0400 Received: from gould.encore.com ([129.91.131.1]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30818>; Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:18:48 -0400 Received: from ranger.encore.COM by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA27691 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:17:51 -0400 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA08433 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:18:54 EDT From: Don Law Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:18:54 -0400 Message-Id: <8433.9210162018@ranger.encore.com> To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S50 Info Status: RO > Feature S-50 S-330 S-550 Hey! Doesn't anybody care about the S-10 anymore? 49 key velocity sensitive keyboard About 4 or 5 seconds of sampling at 30Khz I'll admit this can't touch the 30Mhz (Megahertz) rate posted by George for the S-X X>10 samplers! 8-) 4 fixed banks of sample, arrangeable in most permutations No mouse, video, or SCSI. Filters: basic digital (offline) LowPass and HiPass The Amazing QuikDisc - so revolutionary that it is incompatible with everything except the Smith Corona Typewriter! -- Don Law dlaw@gould.encore.com -- Ada Development, MS404 ...!uunet!gould!dlaw -- Encore Computer Corporation -- 6901 West Sunrise Blvd. ***** In the computer lab, ***** -- Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Mon Oct 26 15:16:47 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA01212 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Mon, 26 Oct 92 15:16:46 EST Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA24758 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Mon, 26 Oct 92 15:14:59 -0500 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30831>; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 14:54:37 -0500 Received: from usl.usl.com by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 26 Oct 92 10:54:01 -0500 Message-Id: <9210261554.AA05524@math.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 10:47:00 -0500 From: gfd@usl.com (George Demarest +1 908 522 6363) To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Cc: gfd@usl.com Subject: SGROOVE Received: from usl by usl.com; Mon, 26 Oct 1992 10:47 EST Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2789 Status: RO OK, Here's the final state of things. ========================================================================= Submissions ========================================================================= Tempo: 125 BPM (please be as accurate as possible!) Length: 10-20 secs* Number: limit 3 per customer (spaced at 10 secs apart) Media: Stereo Cassette, Stereo DAT (44.1k preferred) Deadline: November 30, 1992 ========================================================================= * Those who will submit non-metered/non-tempo sound bites to be incorporated can be less than 10 secs. ========================================================================= The Mix ========================================================================= So far, only Jon W{tte and I have shown interest in doing mixes. This is fine, but others are welcome. When all submissions are in, I will send Jon what I have and he will send me what he has. We will then do our mixes, send each other the results and then re-distribute to those that submitted. We'll work out how to get copies to other interested parties later. For my part, I intend to take the submissions I get and get them under Sound Tools on my mac. This will allow me to hear them back to back and switch the order around to see which pieces flow into others ("flow" is, of course, relative). I wont know until I hear them all whether there needs to be some unifying rhythm track underneath. I'm going to try to minimize this, although I suspect that it may be needed to make it work. I will, most likely, use each submission whole but may also take fragments as well. I will include the raw submissions on the final tape by themselves. ========================================================================= ========================================================================= Submitters so far: ========================================================================= Jon W{tte (Sweden) Kathy Carter (US (well, California :-)) George Demarest (US) Neil Herzinger (US) Ray MacNeil (Canada) Michael Moncur (US (I think)) I'd like to see more from outside the US (Mr. Flemming?!! Terje?!! One of our distinguished Australians? IMPORTANT: I'd like to get email confirmation from all submitters that everything is clear and understood as soon as possible. Specifically as to whether the deadline for submission is doable. ========================================================================= Submissions from US and Canada send in a SASE to: George Demarest 1165 Hillside Avenue Plainfield, NJ 07080 (908) 757-4655 (home) (908) 522-6363 (work) Submissions from Europe, Asia, Australia send to Jon W{tte (address to follow).