From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 1 21:37:49 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-5265>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:37:40 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe3335383137303533.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5265>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:37:37 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gB22bT625631 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:37:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from kuha.cc.lut.fi ([157.24.10.252]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25399>; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:10:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (kuronen@localhost) by kuha.cc.lut.fi (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id gAT6AB918523 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 08:10:12 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kuha.cc.lut.fi: kuronen owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:10:11 -0500 From: "M.A.D.P." X-X-Sender: kuronen@kuha.cc.lut.fi To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup JD-800 sounds Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi all, My JD-800 is quite a good piece of equipment and I've been doing some of my own sounds with it. Does anyone know any place that sells / gives ;) additional soundbanks to the JD? Pekka kuronen@lut.fi - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 1 21:38:14 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193734-5266>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:38:06 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe3335383137303533.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-5266>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:37:57 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gB22boN25650 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:37:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6188>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:14:12 -0500 Received: from msn ([67.41.14.68]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.13 201-253-122-126-113-20020917) with ESMTP id <20021201041403.TQBR20860.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@msn> for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 04:14:03 +0000 Message-ID: <00e901c298f0$980a9ac0$0201a8c0@com> From: "Patrick Berry" To: Subject: sgroup other roland groups Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:17:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello, Can anyone tell me are there other Roland interest groups that I can join. I have some specific questions concerning my Roland C-180 organ. Thanks Patrick - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 2 02:51:41 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12376>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:51:32 -0500 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12375>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:51:22 -0500 Received: from s060b021.kapsch.co.at (s060b021.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:51:11 +0100 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by s060b021.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:51:11 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: AW: sgroup other roland groups MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:51:11 -0500 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C0AAE@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup other roland groups Thread-Index: AcKZq+uQ46rmPV7ETO6ZlrIXDHMXbwAK8zuQ From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Patrick Berry" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2002 07:51:11.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[9500C830:01C299D7] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Hello, >Can anyone tell me are there other Roland interest groups that I can = join. I >have some specific questions concerning my Roland C-180 organ. Have a look at the LUGNUTS group at Yahoo! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich Phone: +43-1-81111-1894 Fax: +43-1-81111-8670 .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ -----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, = copying, distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be = unlawful. 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From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 2 06:56:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12375>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:56:17 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12376>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:56:03 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.118.46]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021202115558.FTRO20682.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:55:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c299f9$86d975a0$2e76580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Club 50 Foundations Part II Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:54:09 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C299CF.9D3B89C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C299CF.9D3B89C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Again, Don't mean to pester you all about this, but I was wondering if you all = had any more info on the Club 50 (S700) Foundations CD-ROM, like what = its strengths and weaknesses were.=20 Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C299CF.9D3B89C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Again,
 
Don't mean to pester you all about = this, but I was=20 wondering if you all had any more info on the Club 50 (S700) Foundations = CD-ROM,=20 like what its strengths and weaknesses were.
 
Later,
Harold
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From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 3 20:46:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-15740>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:46:12 -0500 Received: from mail.ravensgarage.com (askuse.ody.ca [216.240.7.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15740>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:46:01 -0500 Received: from RAVENSGARAGE.COM by [192.168.123.101] with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for Mac 3.0.1); 03-Dec-2002 20:45:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:45:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: sgroup S-770 and S-750 info URL From: Dr Raven To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1826381E-072A-11D7-AD7B-0003938D7080@ravensgarage.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Well, after searching high and low for information on the web about the S-750 and S-770 and coming up dry, I dug into my dusty old box of pamphlets that I had collected several years ago and found these. Hope they will be of interest to current and future 750 and 770 owners. Please take note of the image sizes before downloading: http://www.ravensgarage.com/Roland_Samplers/ Andy Skuse -- Raven's Garage www.ravensgarage.com "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...' " -Isaac Asimov - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 3 22:58:18 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-15740>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:58:11 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe3335383137303533.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15740>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:58:01 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gB43vqr04908 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:57:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from box.holviala.com ([62.236.254.198]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12375>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:25:03 -0500 Received: from 200-157-150-2.intelignet.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by box.holviala.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEEC23CD0 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:24:53 +0200 (EET) To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: FZer0 Subject: sgroup S760 and Pinnacle CD-Writer Reply-To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:17:41 -0500 X-Sender: fzlistas@mailx.infolink.com.br X-Originating-Host: 200-157-150-2.intelignet.com.br [200.157.150.2]; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:24:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mailreader.com v2.3.33 (2002-10-25) X-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021126, JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello, Does anybody know if i can use a Pinnacle CD-Writer strictly as a CD *reader* with S760? The compatibility list at rolandus.com says that CD-writers simply won't work with S7xx, but i wonder if this is jut for writing or also for reading. Does anybody use a SCSI CD- writer to read Roland CDs? Does it work? []s! FZer0. =================================================================== EASY and FREE access to your email anywhere: http://Mailreader.com/ =================================================================== - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 4 05:49:27 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12920>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:49:21 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12920>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:49:11 -0500 Received: from [62.64.218.24] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JX2G-000EQy-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 10:45:44 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: Subject: RE: sgroup S760 and Pinnacle CD-Writer Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:49:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Does anybody use a SCSI CD- >writer to read Roland CDs? Does it work? I use an old Yamaha external 4416. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 4 15:00:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12920>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:00:33 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.80]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12919>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:00:20 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Jfgo-0000nD-0U for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:00:11 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup Calling on the group's help Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:00:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1826381E-072A-11D7-AD7B-0003938D7080@ravensgarage.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I am in the process of putting together a website on the S-760 and so I need the group's help on a few things. - Issues of 'in the loop' other than what I have (vol.2 num.4, v3n1, v3n2, v4n1) - Roland product literature from the time - Info on the RC-100 and DT-100 - PDF manuals for the RC-100, DT-100 - OS versions other than that which the archive has (2.16, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24) - Info on who designed the S-760 as Roland Japan refused to tell me the names of the people who were in that team, arguing it's their policy to never single out anyone. I will need quality scans or I will pay all postage costs (to me and back to you). Thanks, Francois Rossi - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 4 16:00:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12920>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:00:40 -0500 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12919>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:00:26 -0500 Received: from ernie.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.243] helo=ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Jgd7-0001wX-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:00:25 -0800 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id gB4L0NJ17692; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:00:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:00:23 -0500 From: To: francois@chezrossi.net Cc: Sgroup Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup Calling on the group's help Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.121.119.3 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Good undertaking. It should include in the future the S770,S750. If you need, I have the color brocure of the 760. Randy On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:00:12 -0500 Francois Rossi wrote: > > I am in the process of putting together a > website on the S-760 and so I need > the group's help on a few things. > > - Issues of 'in the loop' other than what I > have (vol.2 num.4, v3n1, v3n2, > v4n1) > - Roland product literature from the time > - Info on the RC-100 and DT-100 > - PDF manuals for the RC-100, DT-100 > - OS versions other than that which the archive > has (2.16, 19, 20, 21, 23, > 24) > - Info on who designed the S-760 as Roland > Japan refused to tell me the > names of the people who were in that team, > arguing it's their policy to > never single out anyone. > > I will need quality scans or I will pay all > postage costs (to me and back to > you). > > Thanks, > > Francois Rossi > > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on > lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to > majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ > for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 4 18:35:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12920>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:35:49 -0500 Received: from mail.ravensgarage.com (askuse.ody.ca [216.240.7.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12920>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:35:46 -0500 Received: from RAVENSGARAGE.COM by [192.168.123.101] with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for Mac 3.0.1); 04-Dec-2002 18:35:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:35:18 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup Calling on the group's help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Dr Raven To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0C61342A-07E1-11D7-86CE-0003938D7080@ravensgarage.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 04:00 PM, wrote: > Good undertaking. It should include in the future the S770,S750. If > you > need, I have the > color brocure of the 760. And if you need any S-750 or S-770 info for the site you're welcome to use any of the scans I recently made of the original Roland brochures at: http://www.ravensgarage.com/Roland_Samplers/ Andy Skuse -- Raven's Garage: BGC Tech, A2Z & DYN, BGC Nukem, Fanfics & More! www.ravensgarage.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 4 19:22:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12919>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:22:30 -0500 Received: from mail.ravensgarage.com (askuse.ody.ca [216.240.7.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12919>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:22:27 -0500 Received: from RAVENSGARAGE.COM by [192.168.123.101] with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for Mac 3.0.1); 04-Dec-2002 19:21:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:21:55 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup Calling on the group's help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Dr Raven To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8F6F71AB-07E7-11D7-86CE-0003938D7080@ravensgarage.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 06:59 PM, Francois Rossi wrote: > >> And if you need any S-750 or S-770 info for the site >> you're welcome to use any of the scans >> I recently made of the original Roland brochures at: > > Thanks. I've already grabbed them following yesterday's post! Saying > that, > I'd want a 300dpi scan that I would rework to maximise size to quality > ratios. Okay, let me work on that and I'll have them rescanned at 300 DPI shortly. Andy Skuse -- Raven's Garage: BGC Tech, A2Z & DYN, BGC Nukem, Fanfics & More! www.ravensgarage.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Dec 5 13:07:26 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-11449>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:07:18 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([66.203.197.235]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11449>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:07:12 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gB5I6rs07680 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:06:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11449>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:12:34 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust150.tnt11.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.166.150]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id LAA29491 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:12:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3DEE30C1.8070408@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:43:45 -0500 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S760 and Pinnacle CD-Writer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk FZer0 wrote: > Does anybody use a SCSI CD- > writer to read Roland CDs? Does it work? Yes, I'm using a Ricoh MP6200S with my S-760. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Dec 5 14:49:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-11450>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:49:17 -0500 Received: from box.holviala.com ([62.236.254.198]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-11450>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:49:11 -0500 Received: from sisifo2.petrobras.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by box.holviala.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10DE23CC7 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:49:02 +0200 (EET) To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: FZer0 Subject: Re: sgroup S760 and Pinnacle CD-Writer Reply-To: fzlistas@infolink.com.br Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:42:04 -0500 X-Sender: fzlistas@mailx.infolink.com.br X-Originating-Host: sisifo2.petrobras.com.br [200.179.65.2]; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:49:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mailreader.com v2.3.33 (2002-10-25) X-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130, JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At Wednesday, 4 December 2002, Ingo Debus wrote: >FZer0 wrote: >> Does anybody use a SCSI CD- >> writer to read Roland CDs? Does it work? > >Yes, I'm using a Ricoh MP6200S with my S-760. Cool, thanks everybody. Just bought an used Yamaha CDR. :-) BTW... if anyone lives in Brazil... i'm selling a 1.2Gig external IBM HD. Works fine with S760. []s ------------------------------------- FabioFZer0@Uébimêiol:Listas http://www.geradorzero.com =================================================================== EASY and FREE access to your email anywhere: http://Mailreader.com/ =================================================================== - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Dec 6 15:22:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-23367>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:22:02 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f57.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.57]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23367>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:21:51 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:21:50 -0800 Received: from 204.171.181.34 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:21:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.171.181.34] Reply-To: oleniacz@telerama.com From: "David Oleniacz" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Anyone interested in a Sony CDU-6211 CD-ROM drive for their S-550 ? Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:21:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2002 20:21:50.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BD7A410:01C29D65] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I got three of these off of Ebay and I'm selling two of them. Get them now before I put them back on Ebay. Bare drive, no cables or CD Caddy. Some scratches, but 100% functional. I tested all of them with my SCSI S-550 and they all work great! I finally could read some S-550 CDR's I had lying around. $25 each + shipping. DavidO _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Dec 6 16:40:12 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-23367>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:40:05 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23367>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:39:55 -0500 Received: from user-2inivg7.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.126.7] helo=randyhoffix) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18KQCO-0008LV-00; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c29d70$6c0414e0$947879a5@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Anyone interested in a Sony CDU-6211 CD-ROM drive for their S-550 ? Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:39:44 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Please, what are the model numbers? i.e. CDU-6111 or CDU-6211? Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: David Oleniacz To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:21 PM Subject: sgroup Anyone interested in a Sony CDU-6211 CD-ROM drive for their S-550 ? > I got three of these off of Ebay and I'm selling two of them. > Get them now before I put them back on Ebay. > > Bare drive, no cables or CD Caddy. > Some scratches, but 100% functional. > I tested all of them with my SCSI S-550 and they all work great! > I finally could read some S-550 CDR's I had lying around. > > $25 each + shipping. > > DavidO > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 7 20:42:50 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-26203>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:42:43 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26204>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:42:33 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.83.22]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021208014221.RUWN20682.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:42:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:40:13 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C29E30.D8094460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C29E30.D8094460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, I'm just curious to know what you've all been doing with your samplers = lately? I've been buying blow out brand named CDs from Sam Ash to build = my multi-sample library. I recently got this CD called Quantum Leap = Guitars & Bass for $150 (reg $249). The guitar sounds on there are so = realistic. It's a no joke CD. I'm using it to compose some funk based = material for upcoming demos and single projects. What are you people doing? 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Hey All,
 
I'm just curious to know what you've = all been doing=20 with your samplers lately? I've been buying blow out brand named CDs = from Sam=20 Ash to build my multi-sample library. I recently got this CD called = Quantum Leap=20 Guitars & Bass for $150 (reg $249). The guitar sounds on there are = so=20 realistic. It's a no joke CD. I'm using it to compose some funk based = material=20 for upcoming demos and single projects.
 
What are you people doing?
 
Later,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C29E30.D8094460-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 7 21:16:33 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-26203>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:16:26 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.57]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26204>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:16:15 -0500 Received: from user-uinj2gl.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.138.21] helo=mindspring.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18KqzG-0002rI-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:16:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF2AB8C.7090003@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:16:44 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? References: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk So how's the Club 50 Foundations CD? And are you buying these blow-out sample CDs on-line? Jesse Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > Hey All, > > I'm just curious to know what you've all been doing with your samplers > lately? I've been buying blow out brand named CDs from Sam Ash to > build my multi-sample library. I recently got this CD called Quantum > Leap Guitars & Bass for $150 (reg $249). The guitar sounds on there > are so realistic. It's a no joke CD. I'm using it to compose some funk > based material for upcoming demos and single projects. > > What are you people doing? > > Later, > Harold > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 00:28:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:28:15 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:28:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 1915 invoked by uid 0); 8 Dec 2002 05:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO projectmarketeer) (213.194.1.70) by mail.gmx.net (mp014-rz3) with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 05:28:00 -0000 Message-ID: <008d01c29e7b$c617a6c0$0100007f@projectmarketeer> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:36:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01C29E84.15D138E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C29E84.15D138E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20
 
 
<What are you people = doing?
 
<Later,
<Harold
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Well, I been tweaking and playing my new used = Korg ms 2000=20 night after sleepless night for the last couple weeks.
 
 
Nice machine but a shitty = arpeggiator.
 
How easy is it to find cd's for the S 7xx series = ???
 
Sjaak
 
------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C29E84.15D138E0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 06:37:53 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 06:37:52 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 06:37:48 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.96.187]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021208113745.DRAV13909.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:37:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c29ead$ed675c20$bb60580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> <3DF2AB8C.7090003@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 06:35:35 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey Jesse, No, the blow out CDs were selling at the Sam Ash near me here in NYC. I got the Club 50 CD online. I have yet to receive it. Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:16 PM Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? > So how's the Club 50 Foundations CD? And are you buying these blow-out > sample CDs on-line? > > Jesse > > Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > > > Hey All, > > > > I'm just curious to know what you've all been doing with your samplers > > lately? I've been buying blow out brand named CDs from Sam Ash to > > build my multi-sample library. I recently got this CD called Quantum > > Leap Guitars & Bass for $150 (reg $249). The guitar sounds on there > > are so realistic. It's a no joke CD. I'm using it to compose some funk > > based material for upcoming demos and single projects. > > > > What are you people doing? > > > > Later, > > Harold > > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 09:15:21 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:15:14 -0500 Received: from mail.ravensgarage.com (askuse.ody.ca [216.240.7.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:15:08 -0500 Received: from RAVENSGARAGE.COM by [192.168.123.101] with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for Mac 3.0.1); 08-Dec-2002 09:14:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:14:55 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Dr Raven To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> Message-Id: <6CCFCE8F-0AB7-11D7-AD47-0003938D7080@ravensgarage.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Saturday, December 7, 2002, at 08:40 PM, Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > I'm just curious to know what you've all been doing with your samplers=20= > lately? I've been buying blow out brand named CDs from Sam Ash to=20 > build my multi-sample library. I recently got this CD called Quantum=20= > Leap Guitars & Bass for $150 (reg $249). The guitar sounds on there=20 > are so realistic. It's a no joke CD. I'm using it to compose some funk=20= > based material for upcoming demos and single projects. > =A0 > What are you people doing? I bought an S-50 recently that I was intending to use with a band I'm=20 currently playing with, but a great deal on an S-750 came up so the=20 S-50 has to go. But to answer your question, I play in a band that plays a lot of Rush,=20= new and old, and we're just getting into the newer tunes. That means=20 sample loops! During the mid-80's Rush started incorporating more=20 keyboards in their music and the parts got a little more complex.=20 Knowing they would need to play these parts live they sequenced a lot=20 of synth parts that loop in a pattern. To play the part live they=20 sampled one cycle of the pattern and configured the sample to loop once=20= a key was pressed on a keyboard or using MIDI footpedal controllers. At=20= first it was pretty cumbersome, using 5 Emulator II samplers on stage=20 which required a technician to load over 60 sample disks during the=20 show(!). This system evolved over the years, shifting the Emu units for=20= Akai S-1000 samplers and Roland S-750's and S-770's. On their latest=20 tour they used Roland XV-5080 units. Sweet :) So, I'll be busy sampling=20= or recreating some of those sample loops over the next few weeks. Lotsa=20= fun. BTW Francois; I *will* get those scans to you. Been sick past couple of=20= days so not very motivated. Hopefully tomorrow :) Dr Raven --=20 Raven's Garage: BGC Tech, A2Z & DYN, BGC Nukem, Fanfics & More! www.ravensgarage.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 09:35:31 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:35:22 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.57]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:35:17 -0500 Received: from user-uinj2gl.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.138.21] helo=mindspring.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18L2WU-0005D1-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:35:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF358C0.1020509@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:35:44 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? References: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> <3DF2AB8C.7090003@mindspring.com> <000801c29ead$ed675c20$bb60580c@epu1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk We had two huge Mars music stores shut down here - I didn't hear about it until way after the fact. I have no idea if there were any good deals there or not. My local Guitar Center has a glass case full of sample CDs. There's one brand that's very expensive but most everything else is really cheap; unfortunately they don't know anything about them. They won't return them after you've opened them and tried them out so unless you know exactly what you're buying there's no point in getting them, unless you don't mind ending up with audio tracks you sample and loop yourself or even worse, samples in a format your sampler won't support. Do let us know about the Club 50 sample CD when you have a chance. By the way, some of the Roland CDs are starting to go for a pretty penny - there were two Roland sample library CDs, the old single CD series, that went on ebay recently. I think they both sold close to $100 each. Jesse Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >Hey Jesse, > >No, the blow out CDs were selling at the Sam Ash near me here in NYC. I got >the Club 50 CD online. I have yet to receive it. > >Thanks, >Harold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jesse Segovia >To: >Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:16 PM >Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? > > > > >>So how's the Club 50 Foundations CD? And are you buying these blow-out >>sample CDs on-line? >> >>Jesse >> >>Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey All, >>> >>>I'm just curious to know what you've all been doing with your samplers >>>lately? I've been buying blow out brand named CDs from Sam Ash to >>>build my multi-sample library. I recently got this CD called Quantum >>>Leap Guitars & Bass for $150 (reg $249). The guitar sounds on there >>>are so realistic. It's a no joke CD. I'm using it to compose some funk >>>based material for upcoming demos and single projects. >>> >>>What are you people doing? >>> >>>Later, >>>Harold >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>- >>Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >>For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >>and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >> >> >> > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 09:42:42 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:42:35 -0500 Received: from clmboh1-smtp5.columbus.rr.com ([65.24.0.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:42:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (grv230145.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.145]) by clmboh1-smtp5.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB8EgHu16604; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:42:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:42:47 -0500 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <37750775878.20021208094247@columbus.rr.com> To: Roland S-Group CC: Dr Raven Subject: Re[2]: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? In-Reply-To: <6CCFCE8F-0AB7-11D7-AD47-0003938D7080@ravensgarage.com> References: <6CCFCE8F-0AB7-11D7-AD47-0003938D7080@ravensgarage.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have a similar setup. I use a Roland PK-5 midi pedalboard to trigger my S-750. I also use a Roland G-77 midi bass to trigger, and I play a Chapman Stick with a GR-33 that uses onboard sounds and triggers the S-750. I use a midiman 3x8 to switch the controller devices. It all works quite smoothly. But let me tell you, the most valuable thing I have is a program by a guy called Tonyb (TonyBywaters@btinternet.com) here on this list. He wrote a java program that lets me drump my loops from computer to the S-750 via sysex. It's hassle free. It allows drag-n-drop, or multiple dumps. It also converts the dumps to partials in the 750. With tools like Acid, Sonar, Rebirth etc. I'd much rather do the loop editing on the computer. Since it's via midi, it is slow, but the it's convenient and the quality is great. And most importantly, I'm not playing around trying to get the loop points straight with software that's 12 years old. ------------------------------------------------------------------ DR> I bought an S-50 recently that I was intending to use with a band I'm DR> currently playing with, but a great deal on an S-750 came up so the DR> S-50 has to go. DR> But to answer your question, I play in a band that plays a lot of Rush, DR> new and old, and we're just getting into the newer tunes. That means DR> sample loops! During the mid-80's Rush started incorporating more DR> keyboards in their music and the parts got a little more complex. DR> Knowing they would need to play these parts live they sequenced a lot DR> of synth parts that loop in a pattern. To play the part live they DR> sampled one cycle of the pattern and configured the sample to loop once DR> a key was pressed on a keyboard or using MIDI footpedal controllers. At DR> first it was pretty cumbersome, using 5 Emulator II samplers on stage DR> which required a technician to load over 60 sample disks during the DR> show(!). This system evolved over the years, shifting the Emu units for DR> Akai S-1000 samplers and Roland S-750's and S-770's. On their latest DR> tour they used Roland XV-5080 units. Sweet :) So, I'll be busy sampling DR> or recreating some of those sample loops over the next few weeks. Lotsa DR> fun. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 09:46:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:46:21 -0500 Received: from clmboh1-smtp5.columbus.rr.com ([65.24.0.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:46:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (grv230145.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.145]) by clmboh1-smtp5.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB8EkDu21435 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:46:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 09:46:55 -0500 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <135751024145.20021208094655@columbus.rr.com> To: Roland S-Group Subject: Re[2]: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? In-Reply-To: <3DF358C0.1020509@mindspring.com> References: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> <3DF2AB8C.7090003@mindspring.com> <000801c29ead$ed675c20$bb60580c@epu1> <3DF358C0.1020509@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk A lot of brands have some of their samples online, I usually try to go to their website and listen. Also, find the sales guy who's in a struggling band. Odds are he's been opening packages and either copying the cd's or he's at least tried them all. It's funny, I don't think there was a single "unopened" cd in Sam Ash store here in Columbus Ohio! ----------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, December 8, 2002, 9:35:44 AM, you wrote: JS> We had two huge Mars music stores shut down here - I didn't hear about JS> it until way after the fact. I have no idea if there were any good JS> deals there or not. JS> My local Guitar Center has a glass case full of sample CDs. There's one JS> brand that's very expensive but most everything else is really cheap; JS> unfortunately they don't know anything about them. They won't return JS> them after you've opened them and tried them out so unless you know JS> exactly what you're buying there's no point in getting them, unless you JS> don't mind ending up with audio tracks you sample and loop yourself or JS> even worse, samples in a format your sampler won't support. JS> Do let us know about the Club 50 sample CD when you have a chance. JS> By the way, some of the Roland CDs are starting to go for a pretty penny JS> - there were two Roland sample library CDs, the old single CD series, JS> that went on ebay recently. I think they both sold close to $100 each. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 14:53:51 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:53:41 -0500 Received: from siaab2ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.130]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:53:38 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaab2ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.15) id OAA07356 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:53:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:53:13 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: Re[2]: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200212081453_MC3-1-1EA1-395A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >But let me tell you, the most valuable thing I have is a program by a g= uy >called Tonyb (TonyBywaters@btinternet.com) here on this list. He wrote= a >java program that lets me drump my loops from computer to the S-750 via= >sysex. It's hassle free. It allows drag-n-drop, or multiple dumps. It also >converts the dumps to partials in the 750. With tools like Acid, Sonar= , Wavelab and Soundforge will send sysex samples too. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 17:18:51 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:18:44 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:18:29 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18L9kp-0007gU-0U for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:18:27 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup REQ: Logic environment and Cubase mixer map / module driver for S-760 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk If any of you has a Logic environment file or Cubase mixer map and/or module driver for the S-760, I'd love to have a copy to put on the website I'm currently putting together. Cheers, Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 17:22:27 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:22:20 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10802>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:22:10 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18L9oG-0000JO-0U for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:22:01 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup REQ: Help with Atari software and S-760 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:22:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've had both PC and Mac for a long time so I'm pretty clued up on software that makes life easier when using the S-760. However, I know absolutely nothing when it comes to Atari as I've never owned one. So I need somebody's help to beef-up the Atari part of the coming S-760 website, i.e. let me know what commercial and freeware/shareware is available to work with the S-760 (SMDI programs, sample editors, librarian...). Cheers, Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 8 23:08:02 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:07:53 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-10801>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:07:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 28454 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2002 04:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO projectmarketeer) (213.194.1.137) by mail.gmx.net (mp017-rz3) with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 04:07:31 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c29f39$acfe62a0$8901c2d5@projectmarketeer> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: Subject: sgroup Kalava Drum Archive (http://hem.passagen.se/lej97/kalava/) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:15:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C29F41.F61299E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C29F41.F61299E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harold, as long as your waiting for the club 50 drums, and all others that are interested in drumkits sampled from a roland xv = 5080. At least that's what I understand. I just downloaded them and heard a few samples, if you're interested = check out: http://hem.passagen.se/lej97/kalava/ They come in wav . Also some links for Roland tr 909 and so on samples. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C29F41.F61299E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Harold, as long as your waiting for = the club 50=20 drums,
and all others that are interested in drumkits = sampled from a=20 roland xv 5080.
 
At least that's what I understand.
 
I just downloaded them and heard a few samples, if = you're=20 interested check out:
 

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They come in wav = .
 
Also some links for = Roland tr 909=20 and so on samples.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C29F41.F61299E0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 09:20:36 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:20:29 -0500 Received: from clmboh1-smtp5.columbus.rr.com ([65.24.0.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5976>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:20:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (grv230145.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.145]) by clmboh1-smtp5.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gB9EKFu15167 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:20:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:18:10 -0500 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <17835872731.20021209091810@columbus.rr.com> To: Roland S-Group Subject: sgroup Samples MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'm not having much luck with samples of drum cymbals. Any recommendations on drum libraries with good cymbals? I have a Roland S-750 and an S-50. But they don't have to be libraries for the Roland. Any loop or wav based files will work since I do all of my editing on PC. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 09:33:02 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:33:00 -0500 Received: from BIE14s.brother.co.uk (bie14s.brother.co.uk [195.226.51.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:32:56 -0500 Received: by BIE14s.brother.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:27:04 -0000 Message-ID: <7E444F72B4CAB946A4389714E9FBBD94012CCCBB@BIE14s.brother.co.uk> From: Steven Downhill To: "'sgroup@lists.uunet.ca'" Subject: sgroup Roland S760 Manual Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:27:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody, This is my first e-mail to the sgroup list (I've just signed up today). I have a request that I hope someone out there can help me with. I've recently bought a fully expanded Roland S760 sampler, however there is no user manual with it. I was wondering if anybody had a copy of the user manual that they could send me via e-mail. It would be greatly appreciated!. So far I've been in touch with Roland UK and a number of other companies but no-one has a copy!. Kind Regards Steven IMPORTANT NOTICE The contents of this email are confidential and are for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that, although this email has been virus-checked, neither Brother International Europe Ltd nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and attachments (if any). If you believe you have received this communication in error, please return it (with the title "received in error") to the sender then delete the email and destroy any copies of it. 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From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 10:08:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:08:38 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:08:32 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gB9F8Th99359 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:08:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:23:25 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust4.tnt6.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.46.4]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA23723 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:23:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3DF4A54D.50509@cityweb.de> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:14:37 -0500 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? References: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > Hey All, > > I'm just curious to know what you've all been doing with your samplers > lately? Recently I re-discovered the fun of sampling. I made some samples of a Korg Polysix and of an old Philicorda organ (cheesy electronic organ of the sixties, but can sound quite unusual). The good thing with the organ samples is, it's dead simple to loop them :-) Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 10:08:56 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193727-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:08:48 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:08:38 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gB9F8bD99402 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:08:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:28:41 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust4.tnt6.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.46.4]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA29377 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:28:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3DF4A82D.2040702@cityweb.de> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:26:53 -0500 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Kalava Drum Archive (http://hem.passagen.se/lej97/kalava/) References: <000f01c29f39$acfe62a0$8901c2d5@projectmarketeer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Sjaak de Vos wrote: > Harold, as long as your waiting for the club 50 drums, > and all others that are interested in drumkits sampled from a roland xv > 5080. > > At least that's what I understand. > > I just downloaded them and heard a few samples, if you're interested > check out: > > > http://hem.passagen.se/lej97/kalava/ > > > They come in wav . Hm, it seems many of the links on that page don't work? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 11:12:27 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5976>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:12:18 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5976>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:12:12 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:11:54 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C148E@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:12:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I use my 760 mainly for my self-multi-sampled drumkit (Sonor) and piano (two-level samples from a Roland RD-600). Though these alone take most of the polyphony in a busy passage, I add samples of my PolySix and other keys I have like clavinet or Rhodes, and non-multi-timbral keys, loops etc. I love sampling my PolySix, especially the basses, though for shorter samples that don't require too much polyphony I'll use my S220, and save the 760 for longer samples. I have 2 Roland sample CDs; Keys of 60s and 70s v1, and Africa v2. They're good and I use these if it serves the tune. I may eventually get Keys v2. I have used a drum loop or two, but not so much. I find it is a bit more complicated to use loops in a recording, but for jam-based stuff it's fine. I have decided not to get any guitar- or drum-based samples, prefering to do them myself, plus I have a million drum samples already downloaded from the net. Ralph >-----Original Message----- >From: Ingo Debus [mailto:debus@cityweb.de] >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:15 AM >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? > > >Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >> Hey All, >> >> I'm just curious to know what you've all been doing with >your samplers >> lately? > >Recently I re-discovered the fun of sampling. I made some samples of a >Korg Polysix and of an old Philicorda organ (cheesy electronic organ >of the sixties, but can sound quite unusual). The good thing with the >organ samples is, it's dead simple to loop them :-) > >Ingo > > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 11:39:58 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:39:50 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:39:39 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:39:25 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C148F@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Q: Bass guitar/Rhodes sampling methods for 760 or in general Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:39:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk First: I sometimes sample my electric bass guitar with varied success. It usually sounds quite good but sometimes I have to do it a few times to get it right. I have tried using a Boss compressor pedal or Behringer Composer before sampling which helps some. Has anyone found a good way to do it? Do you adjust the filters or eq after sampling (if so how)? It can still sound weird sometimes on shorter notes when the note is released, and in quicker passages. It can help a little if the release is a bit slower, but too slow and quick passages can become muddled. Also, how much do you emphasize bass in the mix when mixing for a "take" onto "tape"? Do you go for "flatness" or push it a little? Second: On the 760, if I sample a sound that has VCA modulation, what can I do so that when I play a note other than the original pitch, the modulation speed doesn't change? What about using the VCA in the 760? Is there a way to affect all voices globally, as opposed to VCA on each voice but triggered by each note (same speed but starting at different times)? An example of this would be the "vibrato" feature on my Rhodes, which is actually a tremolo, or volume effect. The effect is applied to all voices the same. If I multi-sampled my Rhodes with the vibrato on, all the notes would vibrate out of sync (besides not being able to adjust it). Also, the Rhodes vibrato is a stereo effect, going side-to-side (one of the greatest examples: listen to Max Middleton on the Jeff Beck classic album, "Blow By Blow"). Can the 760 simulate this? thanks Ralph Merry Christmas from Canada - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 12:17:01 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5976>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:16:58 -0500 Received: from smtp.unc.edu (smtpsrv10.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.241]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5976>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:16:48 -0500 Received: from ho08ed (dhcp8455.dhcp.unc.edu [152.2.214.73]) by smtp.unc.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gB9HGJiN028041 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:16:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003a01c29fa6$b0e5c170$49d60298@asntdomain1.cas.unc.edu> From: "Edward Raison" To: References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C148E@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:16:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I recently set up a toshiba libretto 100ct laptop as my s-50's 'little buddy.' It sits perfectly on the right side of the keyboard, and I have it all midi-ed up to do sequencing, and plugged into the microphone input to make samples with simsynth and the Retro AS-1. I also use it to run floppy image. Now if I can find some kind of pcmcia video in card, I'll use it to view the s-50 video as well. So far I have resisted the urge to paint it black. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 14:29:37 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:29:27 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:29:20 -0500 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.122]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:31:26 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c29fba$b488e8c0$7af14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Roland S-Group" References: <17835872731.20021209091810@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Samples Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:39:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Go to www.nskit.com and convert the soundfonts to wav Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaffa To: Roland S-Group Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: sgroup Samples > > I'm not having much luck with samples of drum cymbals. > Any recommendations on drum libraries with good cymbals? > I have a Roland S-750 and an S-50. But they don't have > to be libraries for the Roland. Any loop or wav based > files will work since I do all of my editing on PC. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 14:39:38 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:39:29 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:39:23 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C1494@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Samples Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:38:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk the WAV section is not currently active (says it's coming soon) >-----Original Message----- >From: P. Vermeeren [mailto:Peter.Vermeeren@hetnet.nl] >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:40 PM >To: Roland S-Group >Subject: Re: sgroup Samples > > >Go to >www.nskit.com >and convert the soundfonts to wav > >Bye, > > Peter > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gaffa >To: Roland S-Group >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:18 PM >Subject: sgroup Samples > > >> >> I'm not having much luck with samples of drum cymbals. >> Any recommendations on drum libraries with good cymbals? >> I have a Roland S-750 and an S-50. But they don't have >> to be libraries for the Roland. Any loop or wav based >> files will work since I do all of my editing on PC. > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 14:53:47 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:53:38 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl (net014s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.154]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:53:35 -0500 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.122]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:55:41 +0100 Message-ID: <005701c29fbe$184b8400$7af14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C1494@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Subject: Re: sgroup Samples Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:03:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Yes, it's been 'coming soon' for weeks. But why not get the soundfonts or one of the other formats and extract the wavs from there ? Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: RE: sgroup Samples > the WAV section is not currently active (says it's coming soon) > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: P. Vermeeren [mailto:Peter.Vermeeren@hetnet.nl] > >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:40 PM > >To: Roland S-Group > >Subject: Re: sgroup Samples > > > > > >Go to > >www.nskit.com > >and convert the soundfonts to wav > > > >Bye, > > > > Peter > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Gaffa > >To: Roland S-Group > >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:18 PM > >Subject: sgroup Samples > > > > > >> > >> I'm not having much luck with samples of drum cymbals. > >> Any recommendations on drum libraries with good cymbals? > >> I have a Roland S-750 and an S-50. But they don't have > >> to be libraries for the Roland. Any loop or wav based > >> files will work since I do all of my editing on PC. > > > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 15:50:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5976>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:50:30 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:50:20 -0500 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.122]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:52:16 +0100 Message-ID: <00d401c29fc5$ff9c4400$7af14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> <3DF4A54D.50509@cityweb.de> Subject: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:00:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Good to hear those Philicordas are still going strong ! I happen to work for Philips, but needless to say we don't produce that many of these beasts anymore. I do recall though that a now-retired collegue has worked on the top-octave division circuits looong ago. Feel like sharing/swapping those Philicorda samples ? Bye / thanks, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingo Debus To: Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? > Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > I'm just curious to know what you've all been doing with your samplers > > lately? > > Recently I re-discovered the fun of sampling. I made some samples of a > Korg Polysix and of an old Philicorda organ (cheesy electronic organ > of the sixties, but can sound quite unusual). The good thing with the > organ samples is, it's dead simple to loop them :-) > > Ingo > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 20:45:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:45:35 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-5977>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:45:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 5041 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2002 01:45:24 -0000 Received: from 213-194-2-58.dialup.raketnet.nl (HELO projectmarketeer) (213.194.2.58) by mail.gmx.net (mp022-rz3) with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 01:45:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c29fee$fc943780$3a02c2d5@projectmarketeer> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: Subject: Re: sgroup Kalava Drum Archive (http://hem.passagen.se/lej97/kalava/) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:53:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Onderwerp: Re: sgroup Kalava Drum Archive >> >> http://hem.passagen.se/lej97/kalava/ >> >> > >Hm, it seems many of the links on that page don't work. >Ingo I've been able to download the first group drum samples. Also I got all the Roland samples and the synth file. It took me more than an hour for 20 or 30 Mb using a 56k modem. I did not try to download the "not for comm. use classic mono kalava drumsamples". All the other links worked fine. Better luck next time.... Sjaak - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. 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From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 9 23:25:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-3452>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:25:02 -0500 Received: from web40604.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.141]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-3452>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:24:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20021210042448.93542.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.24.94.11] by web40604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:24:48 PST Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:24:48 -0500 From: DJ boomstick Subject: Re: sgroup Samples To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <17835872731.20021209091810@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --- Gaffa wrote: > > I'm not having much luck with samples of drum > cymbals. > Any recommendations on drum libraries with good > cymbals? > I have a Roland S-750 and an S-50. But they don't > have > to be libraries for the Roland. Any loop or wav > based > files will work since I do all of my editing on PC. paiste has a 3 volume set of samples of there cymbals. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 10 03:11:31 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 03:11:26 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 03:11:15 -0500 Received: from [62.64.230.22] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LfSs-000GQo-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:10:02 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup REQ: Help with Atari software and S-760 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 03:11:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C148D@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > software that I am not aware of that might make > things easier with my 760. Examples, Samplifier on the Mac, D-Sound Pro on the Mac, both cheap and able to communicate with the S-760. ReCycle on the PC and Mac is also good. For cataloguing Roland CDs, you cannot beat CDxtract 4.0 Pc/Mac, and you cannot do better than using Chickensys Translator on the PC for converting Akai/E-Mu samples to Roland S7xx. I don't have Translator but I've seen it work at friends, and I was impressed. Far quicker than using the S-760 own conversion utility. This might well become my own Xmas present. I am a registered user of CDxtract and I think Bernard Chavonnet (the author) is God so useful his software is to catalogue libraries so you can quickly find the sound you're after. This is the sort of info that will become available on the website later. It's actually still very much work in progress but I'll email the group when I consider it to be in beta stage. > I'm looking for a second mouse The Roland mouse is in fact a Philips, and so the DT-100 graphic tablet (NMS1150), and so the monitor badged Roland. Any MSX Philips mouse is guaranteed to work. I tried successfully after buying one in Holland. I cannot vouch for other MSX mice though but there is no reason to think it wouldn't work. > I bought an S330 as well I just bought two with RC-100 and monitors! They are going for a song, grab them before it's too late. Excellent as drum machines because drums samples are much shorter than other instruments, so the paltry memory of the S-330 copes really well with drum banks. > I also have the SDisk programs etc. There is a Windows version of this software that I found via various W30 websites. Personally, I use Floppy Image 2.1 as it can write back to floppy images in .out format, and will do much more besides. And only $15 registration (www.rundegren.com) for personal use. >I don't have any S760 mixermaps, so if this comes your way perhaps you could >share it, either with the group or with a link to your site? That was the purpose of my request, to put it on the website for others to enjoy. I don't use Cubase or Logic myself as I'm a die-hard Studio Vision user on the Mac, sad to see it abandoned by Gibson after they bought Opcode but it still rocks when used in conjunction with Galaxy, provided you don't have newer synths. In fact, I hope somebody one day creates a Galaxy user group where some members would perhaps develop new modules for Galaxy. Cheers, Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 10 12:26:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:25:55 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([66.203.197.234]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:25:48 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBAHPam80593 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:25:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:12:56 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust23.tnt6.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.46.23]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id SAA00105 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:12:51 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3DF61DEF.8090703@cityweb.de> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:01:35 -0500 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? References: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> <3DF4A54D.50509@cityweb.de> <00d401c29fc5$ff9c4400$7af14bd5@ptr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk P. Vermeeren wrote: > Hi, > > Good to hear those Philicordas are still going strong ! I happen to work for > Philips, but needless to say we don't produce that many of these beasts > anymore. Hehe... are they really still in production? > I do recall though that a now-retired collegue has worked on the top-octave > division circuits looong ago. > > Feel like sharing/swapping those Philicorda samples ? Well, why not? Since the samples are short, these may fit on a few floppy disks (haven't tried that though). Can anyone host the disk image files? Martin? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 10 13:01:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11532>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:01:19 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([66.203.197.234]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11532>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:01:12 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBAI12681791; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:01:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:01:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200212101801.gBAI12681791@gc0.generalconcepts.com> From: John Sellens To: debus@cityweb.de, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk | > Feel like sharing/swapping those Philicorda samples ? | | Well, why not? Since the samples are short, these may fit on a few | floppy disks (haven't tried that though). Can anyone host the disk | image files? Martin? I can (easily) on the sgroup web site. Drop me a line, or just send me disk images. Cheers! John jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 10 13:20:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11532>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:20:22 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:20:10 -0500 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.111]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: <004601c2a07a$358d4460$6f9d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <000a01c29e5a$c197ee00$1653580c@epu1> <3DF4A54D.50509@cityweb.de> <00d401c29fc5$ff9c4400$7af14bd5@ptr> <3DF61DEF.8090703@cityweb.de> Subject: Re: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your samplerlately? Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:30:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > > Good to hear those Philicordas are still going strong ! I happen to work for > > Philips, but needless to say we don't produce that many of these beasts > > anymore. > > Hehe... are they really still in production? No no, if you would contact Philips for info I guess they wouldn't know what you're talking about - along the lines of the 'customer support' section at the link below. http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Philips/Philicorda-7500-01.html In fact I shouldn't have mentioned this link - the writer makes fun of the company-slogan :-) But hey, what do you expect. In a few weeks this particular Philicorda is 40 years old ! What does he want, his money back ?! :-) They are not that uncommon on fleamarkets here in the Netherlands. > > Feel like sharing/swapping those Philicorda samples ? > > Well, why not? Since the samples are short, these may fit on a few > floppy disks (haven't tried that though). Can anyone host the disk > image files? Martin? Nice, thanks ! Bye, Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 10 18:44:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11532>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:44:37 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.91]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11532>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:44:27 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Lu33-000CVG-0X for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:44:21 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup Good news and another form of help required - S330 topic Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:44:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Good news everyone. I was took delivery today of the two S-330 I bought and the nice surprise is to have the complete Roland S-330 library, comprising of 6 volumes of 10 diskettes each. I'm planning at some point to make images of all this and send a CD to John Sellens so that the group can benefit from these. They are different from the RSB-50/550 images I've seen, although no doubt, some banks will be the same samples reorganised differently. In any case, a nice addition to the archive. Now, out of those 60 diskettes, there are 3 missing which are: RSB-3302-10, RSB-3303-3 and RSB-3303-7. If anybody has these, please email them to me so we can all have a complete set. Many thanks, Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 10 19:45:13 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:45:06 -0500 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.160.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:44:55 -0500 Received: from ABIT2K (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 31F1D16000106 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:44:51 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: "Roland S760 List" Subject: sgroup For sale - Roland S760 sampler Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I am selling one of my Roland S760 samplers. I won't bore you with the specs as I guess you know them all by now! :-) It has a fully expanded memory 32MB and comes complete with a genuine Roland sample CD and the two Roland manuals and system disks. I am based in the UK and I am looking for £299 for it. Go on...buy it for Christmas! :-) Regards, -=Glyn=- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 10 19:45:14 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:45:05 -0500 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.160.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:44:55 -0500 Received: from ABIT2K (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF9CB160001B3 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:44:51 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: "Roland S760 List" Subject: sgroup Wanted - Genuine Roland sample CD-ROMS Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:44:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I am looking for the following genuine Roland sample CD-ROMS if anybody has them for sale; L-CDP-03 Orchestral Percussion Vol 1 L-CDP-10 Keyboards of the 60’s & 70’s Vol 2 L-CDP-11 Africa Vol 1 L-CD-702 Orchestral Family 1 & 2 Thanks & regards, -=Glyn=- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 10 19:51:34 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-11532>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:51:25 -0500 Received: from fedex.is.co.za ([196.4.160.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11531>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:51:20 -0500 Received: from [196.33.196.46] (c3-rba-46.dial-up.net [196.33.196.46]) by fedex.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757B8B8199 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:51:10 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:50:58 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Good news and another form of help required - S330 topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Good news everyone. I was took delivery today of the two S-330 I bought and >the nice surprise is to have the complete Roland S-330 library, comprising >of 6 volumes of 10 diskettes each. I'm planning at some point to make images >of all this and send a CD to John Sellens so that the group can benefit from >these. They are different from the RSB-50/550 images I've seen, although no >doubt, some banks will be the same samples reorganised differently. In any >case, a nice addition to the archive. > >Now, out of those 60 diskettes, there are 3 missing which are: RSB-3302-10, >RSB-3303-3 and RSB-3303-7. If anybody has these, please email them to me so >we can all have a complete set. Hi Francois, Check out this website: http://www.heimserver.de/mwmstudios/ Look in the Samples section for missing disks. (I uploaded the whole L-series which has lots of different sounds.) Let us know if you have different disks..... Welcome and enjoy your new machines! Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 11 03:21:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-18325>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:21:27 -0500 Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp03.web.de [217.72.192.158]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18324>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:21:12 -0500 Received: from [217.87.81.189] (helo=[217.87.81.189]) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.93 #1) id 18M27A-0002xy-00; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:21:08 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:18:41 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup Q: Bass guitar/Rhodes sampling methods for 760 or in general From: nichtlineareaudioproduktionen To: , roland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C148F@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Second: > On the 760, if I sample a sound that has VCA modulation, what can I do so > that when I play a note other than the original pitch, the modulation speed > doesn't change? What about using the VCA in the 760? Is there a way to > affect all voices globally, as opposed to VCA on each voice but triggered by > each note (same speed but starting at different times)? > An example of this would be the "vibrato" feature on my Rhodes, which is > actually a tremolo, or volume effect. The effect is applied to all voices > the same. If I multi-sampled my Rhodes with the vibrato on, all the notes > would vibrate out of sync (besides not being able to adjust it). Try an LFO in the Patch modulation Page. You can route your Mod-wheel to the amount of an LFO modulating the VCA and could adjust the LFO-speed in the Performance level. > Also, the > Rhodes vibrato is a stereo effect, going side-to-side (one of the greatest > examples: listen to Max Middleton on the Jeff Beck classic album, "Blow By > Blow"). Can the 760 simulate this? The secret is a Roland Jazzchorus that creates great phase-effects, but you can simulate it quite nicely indeed with the S760. Try a second Patch modulating L-R > thanks > Ralph > Merry Christmas from Canada Same to all of you from Hamburg Nikolaus Sieveking nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 11 06:35:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-18324>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:35:26 -0500 Received: from mercury.is.co.za ([196.4.160.222]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18325>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:35:22 -0500 Received: from [196.33.197.62] (c4-rba-62.dial-up.net [196.33.197.62]) by mercury.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BC5B7FE5 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:35:07 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:34:57 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Wanted - Genuine Roland sample CD-ROMS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I am looking for the following genuine Roland sample CD-ROMS if anybody has >them for sale; > >L-CDP-03 Orchestral Percussion Vol 1 >L-CDP-10 Keyboards of the 60=92s & 70=92s Vol 2 >L-CDP-11 Africa Vol 1 >L-CD-702 Orchestral Family 1 & 2 Hi Glyn, I recall that Ilio had the Africa CD a while back: http://www.ilio.com/ Don't know about the others. Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 11 10:21:34 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-18324>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:21:24 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18324>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:21:14 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBBFL6j43547 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:21:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18324>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:13:15 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust114.tnt7.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.48.114]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id QAA06901; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:13:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3DF7491C.9090803@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:18:04 -0500 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Sellens CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? References: <200212101801.gBAI12681791@gc0.generalconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk John Sellens wrote: > | > Feel like sharing/swapping those Philicorda samples ? > | > | Well, why not? Since the samples are short, these may fit on a few > | floppy disks (haven't tried that though). Can anyone host the disk > | image files? Martin? > > I can (easily) on the sgroup web site. > > Drop me a line, or just send me disk images. Thanks! This will perhaps take a few days, I'll have to create the disks and disk images first. Anyone interested in Polysix samples? Unison-Mode (all six oscillators in unison) ultra-fat! Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 11 23:01:45 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-18325>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:01:37 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.80]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18325>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:01:34 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18MKXM-0007OV-0U; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:01:25 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup False alarm - sorry! Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:01:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I thought I had unearthed a gem when I received a disk library called RSB-330 and I was ready to put it on CD and send it to the archive. It turns out they're all the RSB-550 library in disguise. The volumes and disks have the same name as the RSB-550. Sorry everyone. Next time, I'll contain my excitement and will check first. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 11 23:24:12 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-18324>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:24:05 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18325>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:23:50 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.187.253]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021212042348.OSPM20575.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:23:48 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c2a195$f6c80d60$fdbb580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:21:37 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2A16C.0D641D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2A16C.0D641D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Group, After almost two weeks of watching the mail, I finally received my Club = 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and great reviews, I couldn't help but be = marginally content with the contents of the CD. After all, this CD was = produced in 1992. Knowing this, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the = sounds contained on the CD sound very "1992". Typical E-mu proteus I, = pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The only exceptions would be the drums, = which with few duds, sound pretty good - Great in fact.=20 The snares and some of the kicks coupled with Roland's Drums & Cymbals = CD-ROM would create a stellar and very useable drum arsenal of sorts. = The toms aren't that bad. The cymbals and hi-hats are very repetitive, = but like the other parts, can add some color to your existing library. = The guitars are maybe a step over the ones included on the Guitar & Bass = CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say that this means they are great, as the = ones in the Roland G&B are very disappointing to begin with. Not too = realistic at all. For great guitars, I'd say get the Roland Country = Expansion Board if you have a JV/XP module, or look towards the Quantum = Leap Guitars & Bass CD-ROM. Both of these have great steel, nylon and = clean patches. You want to do anything from Folk to Funk, those = libraries would more than get the job done with ultra-realism. The pianos are terrible. Tackianos are included. It's amazing how much = 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB Piano samples on Roland's Session = Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the Prosonus discs sound WAY better = than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps this is due to better = recording techniques and memory conservation. Brass is also not good. = You could get comparable sounds from an early 90s Casio keyboard. I'd = have to say that the highlights on this CD are the drums and percussion. = Many of the other samples are a waste of memory, are heavily chorused, = have phase problems, etc. The organs are okay, but aren't anything = you've already heard before. Considering that this CD was once $479, and I paid $55 - I think I got a = decent bargain. I couldn't say that this CD is a must have, but it is an = okay item to have in your library. Thanks, Harold=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2A16C.0D641D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Group,
 
After almost two weeks of watching the = mail, I=20 finally received my Club 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and great = reviews, I=20 couldn't help but be marginally content with the contents of the CD. = After all,=20 this CD was produced in 1992. Knowing this, it shouldn't surprise anyone = that=20 the sounds contained on the CD sound very "1992". Typical E-mu proteus = I,=20 pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The only exceptions would be the drums, = which=20 with few duds, sound pretty good - Great in fact.
 
The snares and some of the kicks = coupled with=20 Roland's Drums & Cymbals CD-ROM would create a stellar and very = useable drum=20 arsenal of sorts. The toms aren't that bad. The cymbals and hi-hats are = very=20 repetitive, but like the other parts, can add some color to your = existing=20 library. The guitars are maybe a step over the ones included on the = Guitar &=20 Bass CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say that this means they are great, as = the ones=20 in the Roland G&B are very disappointing to begin with. Not too = realistic at=20 all. For great guitars, I'd say get the Roland Country Expansion Board = if you=20 have a JV/XP module, or look towards the Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass = CD-ROM.=20 Both of these have great steel, nylon and clean patches. You want to do = anything=20 from Folk to Funk, those libraries would more than get the job done with = ultra-realism.
 
The pianos are terrible. Tackianos are = included.=20 It's amazing how much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB Piano samples = on=20 Roland's Session Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the Prosonus discs = sound WAY=20 better than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps this is due to = better=20 recording techniques and memory conservation.=20 Brass is also not good. You could get comparable sounds from an early = 90s Casio=20 keyboard. I'd have to say that the highlights on this CD are the drums = and=20 percussion. Many of the other samples are a waste of memory, are heavily = chorused, have phase problems, etc. The organs are okay, but aren't = anything=20 you've already heard before.
 
Considering that this CD was once $479, = and I paid=20 $55 - I think I got a decent bargain. I couldn't say that this CD is a = must=20 have, but it is an okay item to have in your library.
 
Thanks,
Harold
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C2A16C.0D641D40-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Dec 12 00:29:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12572>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:28:54 -0500 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12572>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:28:44 -0500 Received: from user-38ldman.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.217.87] helo=randyhoffix) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MLti-0008LS-00; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c2a19f$b3773040$57d956d1@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , References: <001f01c2a195$f6c80d60$fdbb580c@epu1> Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:30:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2A15C.8A383DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2A15C.8A383DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harold, I've listened to all sounds available from Roland: The CD's, all the = expansion cards for the JV series 1080, and Roland sounds for the = Samplers (550, 7xx) and have found the 2MB piano PCM card PCM1-04 on my = JV1080 to be the best.=20 I have now found the best grand piano sound so far in East-West Ultimate = Piano. The 32 MB "C" Steinway is so far the best sounding piano I have = heard for a Roland instrument (and that includes all the RD series = pianos). It is a full sound, warm, with out to much distancing reverb, = smooth mapping, clear highs without loop ringing, middle C sounds = wooden, and the low registers sound large but realistic without too much = of the Roland reverb and without a sound seperate from the rest of the = keyboard. I haven't yet heard some of the other Piano sounds from Prosonus, = Coakley, Stienberg, but I plan to. Anyone else heard a good piano. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Hey Group, After almost two weeks of watching the mail, I finally received my = Club 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and great reviews, I couldn't help = but be marginally content with the contents of the CD. After all, this = CD was produced in 1992. Knowing this, it shouldn't surprise anyone that = the sounds contained on the CD sound very "1992". Typical E-mu proteus = I, pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The only exceptions would be the = drums, which with few duds, sound pretty good - Great in fact.=20 The snares and some of the kicks coupled with Roland's Drums & Cymbals = CD-ROM would create a stellar and very useable drum arsenal of sorts. = The toms aren't that bad. The cymbals and hi-hats are very repetitive, = but like the other parts, can add some color to your existing library. = The guitars are maybe a step over the ones included on the Guitar & Bass = CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say that this means they are great, as the = ones in the Roland G&B are very disappointing to begin with. Not too = realistic at all. For great guitars, I'd say get the Roland Country = Expansion Board if you have a JV/XP module, or look towards the Quantum = Leap Guitars & Bass CD-ROM. Both of these have great steel, nylon and = clean patches. You want to do anything from Folk to Funk, those = libraries would more than get the job done with ultra-realism. The pianos are terrible. Tackianos are included. It's amazing how much = 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB Piano samples on Roland's Session = Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the Prosonus discs sound WAY better = than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps this is due to better = recording techniques and memory conservation. Brass is also not good. = You could get comparable sounds from an early 90s Casio keyboard. I'd = have to say that the highlights on this CD are the drums and percussion. = Many of the other samples are a waste of memory, are heavily chorused, = have phase problems, etc. The organs are okay, but aren't anything = you've already heard before. Considering that this CD was once $479, and I paid $55 - I think I got = a decent bargain. I couldn't say that this CD is a must have, but it is = an okay item to have in your library. Thanks, Harold=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2A15C.8A383DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Harold,

I've listened to all sounds available from Roland: The CD's, all the=20 expansion cards for the JV series 1080, and Roland sounds for the = Samplers (550,=20 7xx) and have found the 2MB piano PCM card PCM1-04 on my JV1080 to be = the best.=20

I have now found the best grand piano sound so far in East-West = Ultimate=20 Piano. The 32 MB "C" Steinway is so far the best sounding piano I have = heard for=20 a Roland instrument (and that includes all the RD series pianos). It is = a full=20 sound, warm, with out to much distancing reverb, smooth mapping, clear = highs=20 without loop ringing, middle C sounds wooden, and the low registers = sound large=20 but realistic without too much of the Roland reverb and without a sound = seperate=20 from the rest of the keyboard.

I haven't yet heard some of the other Piano sounds from Prosonus, = Coakley,=20 Stienberg, but I plan to.

Anyone else heard a good piano.

Randy

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, = 2002 8:21=20 PM
Subject: sgroup Club 50 = Foundations=20 CD-ROM

Hey Group,
 
After almost two weeks of watching = the mail, I=20 finally received my Club 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and great = reviews, I=20 couldn't help but be marginally content with the contents of the CD. = After=20 all, this CD was produced in 1992. Knowing this, it shouldn't surprise = anyone=20 that the sounds contained on the CD sound very "1992". Typical E-mu = proteus I,=20 pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The only exceptions would be the drums, = which=20 with few duds, sound pretty good - Great in fact.
 
The snares and some of the kicks = coupled with=20 Roland's Drums & Cymbals CD-ROM would create a stellar and very = useable=20 drum arsenal of sorts. The toms aren't that bad. The cymbals and = hi-hats are=20 very repetitive, but like the other parts, can add some color to your = existing=20 library. The guitars are maybe a step over the ones included on the = Guitar=20 & Bass CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say that this means they are = great, as=20 the ones in the Roland G&B are very disappointing to begin with. = Not too=20 realistic at all. For great guitars, I'd say get the Roland Country = Expansion=20 Board if you have a JV/XP module, or look towards the Quantum Leap = Guitars=20 & Bass CD-ROM. Both of these have great steel, nylon and clean = patches.=20 You want to do anything from Folk to Funk, those libraries would more = than get=20 the job done with ultra-realism.
 
The pianos are terrible. Tackianos = are included.=20 It's amazing how much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB Piano = samples on=20 Roland's Session Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the Prosonus discs = sound WAY=20 better than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps this is due to = better=20 recording techniques and memory conservation.=20 Brass is also not good. You could get comparable sounds from an early = 90s=20 Casio keyboard. I'd have to say that the highlights on this CD are the = drums=20 and percussion. Many of the other samples are a waste of memory, are = heavily=20 chorused, have phase problems, etc. The organs are okay, but aren't = anything=20 you've already heard before.
 
Considering that this CD was once = $479, and I=20 paid $55 - I think I got a decent bargain. I couldn't say that this CD = is a=20 must have, but it is an okay item to have in your = library.
 
Thanks,
Harold =
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From owner-sgroup Thu Dec 12 03:06:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12572>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:06:31 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12572>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:06:28 -0500 Received: from user-2iniu3u.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.120.126] helo=randyhoffix) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MOMQ-0008Dv-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:06:22 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c2a1b5$be68ffe0$4d7c79a5@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: Subject: Fw: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:08:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2A172.9E54DAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2A172.9E54DAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Randy Hoffman=20 To: steve@bstage.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:06 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM The East/West CD is for the Roland, but they no longer sell it. They do = sell the Akai. They both have a 64MB sample patch set to use with (2) = S760. I hope one day to hear the Steinberg and the Giga pianos. The Ultimate Piano also has a "D" Steinway, but I find myself = gravitating to the "C" sample. Remember I am only using the 16MB patch = (S750). When I get a S760, I will be able to move up to the 32MB = patches. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Schow=20 To: 'Randy Hoffman'=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: RE: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Randy, only for Roland? There are killer pianos for Giga. I heard = the Coakley and it seemed very nice. is that one you're talking about = from East/West a Roland format sample set for S-7xx? -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca = [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca] On Behalf Of Randy Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:31 PM To: Harold Everton, Jr.; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Harold, I've listened to all sounds available from Roland: The CD's, all the = expansion cards for the JV series 1080, and Roland sounds for the = Samplers (550, 7xx) and have found the 2MB piano PCM card PCM1-04 on my = JV1080 to be the best.=20 I have now found the best grand piano sound so far in East-West = Ultimate Piano. The 32 MB "C" Steinway is so far the best sounding piano = I have heard for a Roland instrument (and that includes all the RD = series pianos). It is a full sound, warm, with out to much distancing = reverb, smooth mapping, clear highs without loop ringing, middle C = sounds wooden, and the low registers sound large but realistic without = too much of the Roland reverb and without a sound seperate from the rest = of the keyboard. I haven't yet heard some of the other Piano sounds from Prosonus, = Coakley, Stienberg, but I plan to. Anyone else heard a good piano. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Hey Group, After almost two weeks of watching the mail, I finally received my = Club 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and great reviews, I couldn't help = but be marginally content with the contents of the CD. After all, this = CD was produced in 1992. Knowing this, it shouldn't surprise anyone that = the sounds contained on the CD sound very "1992". Typical E-mu proteus = I, pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The only exceptions would be the = drums, which with few duds, sound pretty good - Great in fact.=20 The snares and some of the kicks coupled with Roland's Drums & = Cymbals CD-ROM would create a stellar and very useable drum arsenal of = sorts. The toms aren't that bad. The cymbals and hi-hats are very = repetitive, but like the other parts, can add some color to your = existing library. The guitars are maybe a step over the ones included on = the Guitar & Bass CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say that this means they = are great, as the ones in the Roland G&B are very disappointing to begin = with. Not too realistic at all. For great guitars, I'd say get the = Roland Country Expansion Board if you have a JV/XP module, or look = towards the Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass CD-ROM. Both of these have great = steel, nylon and clean patches. You want to do anything from Folk to = Funk, those libraries would more than get the job done with = ultra-realism. The pianos are terrible. Tackianos are included. It's amazing how = much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB Piano samples on Roland's = Session Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the Prosonus discs sound WAY = better than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps this is due to = better recording techniques and memory conservation. Brass is also not = good. You could get comparable sounds from an early 90s Casio keyboard. = I'd have to say that the highlights on this CD are the drums and = percussion. Many of the other samples are a waste of memory, are heavily = chorused, have phase problems, etc. The organs are okay, but aren't = anything you've already heard before. Considering that this CD was once $479, and I paid $55 - I think I = got a decent bargain. I couldn't say that this CD is a must have, but it = is an okay item to have in your library. Thanks, Harold=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2A172.9E54DAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Randy=20 Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM

The East/West CD is for the Roland, but they no = longer sell=20 it.  They do sell the Akai.  They both have a 64MB sample = patch set to=20 use with (2) S760.  I hope one day to hear the Steinberg and the = Giga=20 pianos.
 
The Ultimate Piano also has a "D" Steinway, but I = find myself=20 gravitating to the "C" sample.  Remember I am only using the 16MB = patch=20 (S750).  When I get a S760, I will be able to move up to the 32MB=20 patches.
 
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = Schow=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, = 2002 9:37=20 PM
Subject: RE: sgroup Club 50 = Foundations=20 CD-ROM

Randy,  only for Roland?  There are killer pianos = for=20 Giga.  I heard the Coakley and it seemed very nice.  is that = one=20 you're talking about from East/West a Roland format sample set for=20 S-7xx?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca] On Behalf Of Randy=20 Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:31 = PM
To:=20 Harold Everton, Jr.; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject: Re: = sgroup=20 Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM

Harold,

I've listened to all sounds available from Roland: The CD's, all = the=20 expansion cards for the JV series 1080, and Roland sounds for the = Samplers=20 (550, 7xx) and have found the 2MB piano PCM card PCM1-04 on my = JV1080 to be=20 the best.

I have now found the best grand piano sound so far in East-West = Ultimate=20 Piano. The 32 MB "C" Steinway is so far the best sounding piano I = have heard=20 for a Roland instrument (and that includes all the RD series = pianos). It is=20 a full sound, warm, with out to much distancing reverb, smooth = mapping,=20 clear highs without loop ringing, middle C sounds wooden, and the = low=20 registers sound large but realistic without too much of the Roland = reverb=20 and without a sound seperate from the rest of the keyboard.

I haven't yet heard some of the other Piano sounds from Prosonus, = Coakley, Stienberg, but I plan to.

Anyone else heard a good piano.

Randy

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 11, 2002=20 8:21 PM
Subject: sgroup Club 50 = Foundations=20 CD-ROM

Hey Group,
 
After almost two weeks of = watching the mail,=20 I finally received my Club 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and = great=20 reviews, I couldn't help but be marginally content with the = contents of=20 the CD. After all, this CD was produced in 1992. Knowing this, it=20 shouldn't surprise anyone that the sounds contained on the CD = sound very=20 "1992". Typical E-mu proteus I, pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The = only=20 exceptions would be the drums, which with few duds, sound pretty = good -=20 Great in fact.
 
The snares and some of the kicks = coupled with=20 Roland's Drums & Cymbals CD-ROM would create a stellar and = very=20 useable drum arsenal of sorts. The toms aren't that bad. The = cymbals and=20 hi-hats are very repetitive, but like the other parts, can add = some color=20 to your existing library. The guitars are maybe a step over the = ones=20 included on the Guitar & Bass CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say = that this=20 means they are great, as the ones in the Roland G&B are very=20 disappointing to begin with. Not too realistic at all. For great = guitars,=20 I'd say get the Roland Country Expansion Board if you have a JV/XP = module,=20 or look towards the Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass CD-ROM. Both = of these=20 have great steel, nylon and clean patches. You want to do anything = from=20 Folk to Funk, those libraries would more than get the job done = with=20 ultra-realism.
 
The pianos are terrible. = Tackianos are=20 included. It's amazing how much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The = 4MB Piano=20 samples on Roland's Session Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the = Prosonus=20 discs sound WAY better than the 16MB samples included here. = Perhaps this=20 is due to better recording techniques and memory = conservation. Brass is also not good. You could get = comparable sounds=20 from an early 90s Casio keyboard. I'd have to say that the = highlights on=20 this CD are the drums and percussion. Many of the other samples = are a=20 waste of memory, are heavily chorused, have phase problems, etc. = The=20 organs are okay, but aren't anything you've already heard=20 before.
 
Considering that this CD was once = $479, and I=20 paid $55 - I think I got a decent bargain. I couldn't say that = this CD is=20 a must have, but it is an okay item to have in your = library.
 
Thanks,
Harold=20
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From owner-sgroup Thu Dec 12 06:10:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12571>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:09:58 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12571>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:09:51 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.86.91]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021212110941.VEHJ20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:09:41 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c2a1ce$ab767fc0$5b56580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <001f01c2a195$f6c80d60$fdbb580c@epu1> <001d01c2a19f$b3773040$57d956d1@netcom.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:07:31 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2A1A4.C1D893E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2A1A4.C1D893E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Randy, Good observation. I have to check out that CD. I only wrote this because = everyone was interested in my writing a review for the revered Club 50 = foundations CD. I'd say check the year. I shouldn't have expected to = much from a sample CD made in 1992.=20 Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Randy Hoffman=20 To: Harold Everton, Jr. ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Harold, I've listened to all sounds available from Roland: The CD's, all the = expansion cards for the JV series 1080, and Roland sounds for the = Samplers (550, 7xx) and have found the 2MB piano PCM card PCM1-04 on my = JV1080 to be the best.=20 I have now found the best grand piano sound so far in East-West = Ultimate Piano. The 32 MB "C" Steinway is so far the best sounding piano = I have heard for a Roland instrument (and that includes all the RD = series pianos). It is a full sound, warm, with out to much distancing = reverb, smooth mapping, clear highs without loop ringing, middle C = sounds wooden, and the low registers sound large but realistic without = too much of the Roland reverb and without a sound seperate from the rest = of the keyboard. I haven't yet heard some of the other Piano sounds from Prosonus, = Coakley, Stienberg, but I plan to. Anyone else heard a good piano. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Hey Group, =20 After almost two weeks of watching the mail, I finally received my = Club 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and great reviews, I couldn't help = but be marginally content with the contents of the CD. After all, this = CD was produced in 1992. Knowing this, it shouldn't surprise anyone that = the sounds contained on the CD sound very "1992". Typical E-mu proteus = I, pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The only exceptions would be the = drums, which with few duds, sound pretty good - Great in fact.=20 =20 The snares and some of the kicks coupled with Roland's Drums & = Cymbals CD-ROM would create a stellar and very useable drum arsenal of = sorts. The toms aren't that bad. The cymbals and hi-hats are very = repetitive, but like the other parts, can add some color to your = existing library. The guitars are maybe a step over the ones included on = the Guitar & Bass CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say that this means they = are great, as the ones in the Roland G&B are very disappointing to begin = with. Not too realistic at all. For great guitars, I'd say get the = Roland Country Expansion Board if you have a JV/XP module, or look = towards the Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass CD-ROM. Both of these have great = steel, nylon and clean patches. You want to do anything from Folk to = Funk, those libraries would more than get the job done with = ultra-realism. =20 The pianos are terrible. Tackianos are included. It's amazing how = much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB Piano samples on Roland's = Session Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the Prosonus discs sound WAY = better than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps this is due to = better recording techniques and memory conservation. Brass is also not = good. You could get comparable sounds from an early 90s Casio keyboard. = I'd have to say that the highlights on this CD are the drums and = percussion. Many of the other samples are a waste of memory, are heavily = chorused, have phase problems, etc. The organs are okay, but aren't = anything you've already heard before. =20 Considering that this CD was once $479, and I paid $55 - I think I = got a decent bargain. I couldn't say that this CD is a must have, but it = is an okay item to have in your library. =20 Thanks, Harold=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2A1A4.C1D893E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Randy,
 
Good observation. I have to check out = that CD. I=20 only wrote this because everyone was interested in my writing a review = for the=20 revered Club 50 foundations CD. I'd say check the year. I shouldn't have = expected to much from a sample CD made in 1992.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Randy=20 Hoffman
To: Harold Everton, Jr. ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Sent: Thursday, December 12, = 2002 12:30=20 AM
Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 = Foundations=20 CD-ROM

Harold,

I've listened to all sounds available from Roland: The CD's, all = the=20 expansion cards for the JV series 1080, and Roland sounds for the = Samplers=20 (550, 7xx) and have found the 2MB piano PCM card PCM1-04 on my JV1080 = to be=20 the best.

I have now found the best grand piano sound so far in East-West = Ultimate=20 Piano. The 32 MB "C" Steinway is so far the best sounding piano I have = heard=20 for a Roland instrument (and that includes all the RD series pianos). = It is a=20 full sound, warm, with out to much distancing reverb, smooth mapping, = clear=20 highs without loop ringing, middle C sounds wooden, and the low = registers=20 sound large but realistic without too much of the Roland reverb and = without a=20 sound seperate from the rest of the keyboard.

I haven't yet heard some of the other Piano sounds from Prosonus, = Coakley,=20 Stienberg, but I plan to.

Anyone else heard a good piano.

Randy

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, Jr. =
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, = 2002 8:21=20 PM
Subject: sgroup Club 50 = Foundations=20 CD-ROM

Hey Group,
 
After almost two weeks of watching = the mail, I=20 finally received my Club 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and great = reviews, I=20 couldn't help but be marginally content with the contents of the CD. = After=20 all, this CD was produced in 1992. Knowing this, it shouldn't = surprise=20 anyone that the sounds contained on the CD sound very "1992". = Typical E-mu=20 proteus I, pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The only exceptions would = be the=20 drums, which with few duds, sound pretty good - Great in fact. =
 
The snares and some of the kicks = coupled with=20 Roland's Drums & Cymbals CD-ROM would create a stellar and very = useable=20 drum arsenal of sorts. The toms aren't that bad. The cymbals and = hi-hats are=20 very repetitive, but like the other parts, can add some color to = your=20 existing library. The guitars are maybe a step over the ones = included on the=20 Guitar & Bass CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say that this means = they are=20 great, as the ones in the Roland G&B are very disappointing to = begin=20 with. Not too realistic at all. For great guitars, I'd say get the = Roland=20 Country Expansion Board if you have a JV/XP module, or look towards = the=20 Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass CD-ROM. Both of these have great = steel,=20 nylon and clean patches. You want to do anything from Folk to Funk, = those=20 libraries would more than get the job done with = ultra-realism.
 
The pianos are terrible. Tackianos = are=20 included. It's amazing how much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB = Piano=20 samples on Roland's Session Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the = Prosonus=20 discs sound WAY better than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps = this is=20 due to better recording techniques and memory = conservation. Brass is also not good. You could get = comparable sounds=20 from an early 90s Casio keyboard. I'd have to say that the = highlights on=20 this CD are the drums and percussion. Many of the other samples are = a waste=20 of memory, are heavily chorused, have phase problems, etc. The = organs are=20 okay, but aren't anything you've already heard before.
 
Considering that this CD was once = $479, and I=20 paid $55 - I think I got a decent bargain. I couldn't say that this = CD is a=20 must have, but it is an okay item to have in your = library.
 
Thanks,
Harold=20
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From owner-sgroup Thu Dec 12 08:10:15 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12572>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:10:11 -0500 Received: from randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.237]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12571>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:10:07 -0500 Received: from smui02.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.25]) by randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MT6G-0001Ui-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:10:00 -0500 Received: by smui02.slb.mindspring.net id IAA0000026795; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:09:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:09:59 -0500 From: To: sgroup Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.192.133.18 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold, thanks very much for the very useful review. It's always great to get direct impressions from musicians actually trying things out, especially when coming from someone who already has some of the same sounds (like the Roland Drums & Cymbals CD) to compare. Please let us know what else you find. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Dec 12 08:19:59 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12572>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:19:50 -0500 Received: from hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.23]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12572>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:19:44 -0500 Received: from smui02.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.25]) by hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MTFe-0001Oe-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:19:42 -0500 Received: by smui02.slb.mindspring.net id IAA0000027004; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:19:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:19:41 -0500 From: To: sgroup Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup Samples Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.192.133.18 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The very best cymbal I have ever heard on any sample source or drum machine is on the Roland Drums & Cymbals CD. I don't know exactly what it's called but it's one of the crash cymbals set up on most of the drum kits on the CD. It's kind of a low-pitched crash cymbal - the decay is awesome! You'd swear it was real. Most of the stuff on that CD is found all over the Roland percussion world, drum machines, drum pads, even the V-Drum kits, but I've never heard anything as nice as that one crash cymbal. Jesse Gaffa wrote: > I'm not having much luck with samples of drum cymbals. > Any recommendations on drum libraries with good cymbals? > I have a Roland S-750 and an S-50. But they don't have > to be libraries for the Roland. Any loop or wav based > files will work since I do all of my editing on PC. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Dec 12 10:39:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12572>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:39:48 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12572>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:39:45 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C14A5@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Piano samples Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:39:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2A1F4.9F9799C0" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A1F4.9F9799C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > The pianos are terrible. Tackianos are included. It's amazing how much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB Piano samples on Roland's Session Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the Prosonus discs sound WAY better than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps this is due to better recording techniques and memory conservation. Poor piano samples seems to be a constant complaint. The best piano sample I have is from a rented Roland RD-600. I sampled two velocity levels across 6 octaves of each C and G using my S760 (32 MB). I think it took 9 disks to save it. My friend who is a fabulous pianist said it sounded as good as anything he's used for much $$$. It cost me $40 Canadian to rent the RD600 for a weekend (needed it for a Saturday gig and sampled it on Sunday). Well worth the effort! I only had time to sample one piano sound with two levels, but if you have more time you could get even better results, as the RD600 sounds excellent, and also has a very good Wurlitzer, decent Rhodes and ok organs etc. Check the reviews at Harmony Central. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2A1F4.9F9799C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 > The pianos are terrible. Tackianos are included. It's amazing how much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB Piano samples on Roland's Session  Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the Prosonus discs sound WAY better than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps this is due to better recording techniques and memory conservation.  
 
 
Poor piano samples seems to be a constant complaint. The best piano sample I have is from a rented Roland RD-600. I sampled two velocity levels across 6 octaves of each C and G using my S760 (32 MB). I think it took 9 disks to save it. My friend who is a fabulous pianist said it sounded as good as anything he's used for much $$$. It cost me $40 Canadian to rent the RD600 for a weekend (needed it for a Saturday gig and sampled it on Sunday). Well worth the effort!
 
I only had time to sample one piano sound with two levels, but if you have more time you could get even better results, as the RD600 sounds excellent, and also has a very good Wurlitzer, decent Rhodes and ok organs etc. Check the reviews at Harmony Central.
 
 
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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2A1EA.6E786B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2A1EA.6E786B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Afternoon Everyone, So, I dabbled a little more into the sounds on the Club 50 CD. Today I = checked out many of the synth sounds. The synths range from the usual = D50-ish pads to the moog-ish basses - Sounds tat are usually covered on = almost all Roland instruments from 1989 and up. These interpretations = sound so bad it isn't even funny. Now, does the fact that I own a Roland = XP60 with a few expansion boards make me a little biased? Perhaps, but = not really. any of the synth basses are extremely thin and brittle with = no sense of space and depth whatsoever. The synth sounds such as the OB = Brass (another category covered on all synths) didn't have the usual = chorus that's expected to be sampled into it.=20 Some of you may think that I'm expecting a bit too much. Others may rag = on me for over criticizing guys like Eric Persing. Well, I've heard much = better from other sample CDs around this time; many of which were = created by the same producers who made the Club 50 CD. Put it this way, = the synth basses and pads included on the Roland Rhythm Section = Instruments CD are much further ahead than the ones on this CD. And the = LCD01 came out a year before this one. Saxes and Acoustic Basses. The saxes aren't all that great. They're all = in the "sounds passable from g3 - f4" category. They're definitely = recognizable, but I could almost guarantee that you'd never use them on = a hit track. I couldn't even imagine big shot producers using them on = recordings around the time the CD was produced. The electric basses are = useable, but have note delay and attack problems. In other words, the = usual pull of the string/no attack, string resonance that you usually = associate with the bass is almost non-existent. Forget about the Pick = basses. This is important as some of those electric basses eat up 4MB = RAM. Considering one of the best bass collections EVER (the Roland = JV80-010 Bass & Drum Expansion Board - derived from the Bass Legends CD = from Spectrasonics) took up only 8MB, it goes to show that recording = sample techniques have greatly improved as since more detail and better = sounds could fit in a smaller amount of memory (forget for now that = Roland uses data compression in the ROM Keyboards). The acoustic basses = included are pretty useable and fun to play. One of them has a velocity = switch so you can hear the string bend when you hit the key hard - go = figure! The guitars - I touched on this last time, but I'll give more detail. = The Telecaster, Strats and Les Paul suck dirt - Period. These guys = should've left them off of the CD. Guitar is an extremely hard = instrument to duplicate on a sampler, but it can be done. My old Yamaha = PSR500M Home Keyboard (which by the way, debuted in 1990) sounded way = better than the guitars included here. The strats were a joke. The les = paul was recorded way to loud and has almost no decay, which makes for a = synth quality. The funk strats sound like the louder velocity switch of = the Roland Patch SWITCH ON MUTE from the JVs, except with no ADSR = envelope, which makes for a totally unrealistic sound. The only guitars that you MAY end up liking are the Nylon and CF100 = variety. These have some string resonance and presence. The envelopes = are better defined and the sounds therefore sound a bit more realistic. = The steel guitars are okay, but the ones on the Roland Guitar & Bass CD = sound a little better. Remember though, I wasn't too crazy about those = guitars either. Outside of the guitars on the Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass = CD, the only other guitars that I fell in love with were all of those = included on the Roland JV80-017 Country Collection. That board has over = 150 guitars in all varieties. I really wish Roland would put that out on = CD for it's sampler and XV5080 users (who don't want to buy the card) = could enjoy. The vocals on the CD are passable, but are probably best for the = freestyle/80s hip-hop genre as they have a "sample" quality to them. = When I use "sample" here, it's to describe the phrase sampler variety. = Sort of like if you sample a voice with the S760 and map it across the = board, rather than sample voices and diff pitches and set up an = appropriate key map (like when sampling a piano). They sound good = between g3-f3 and sound stretched or compressed anywhere else. The true highlight of the Club 50 Foundations are the percussion. The = congas, tambourines, kits, etc all sound real. There are some duds, but = if you had to have this CD for ONE reason, it would be for the drums. = Many of these sounds coupled with the Roland Drums & Cymbals (or Rhythm = Section instruments) CD would provide an extremely useable arsenal. I = love the Roland D & C CD, but hate many of the kicks and snares which = sound extremely dated. The kicks and snares included on the Club 50 = sound much more natural and realistic. Many of them have velocity = switching implemented. The cymbals aren't all that great. The hi-hats = are kind of nasal.=20 I hope I provided a decent review. As always, there's more to that I = could ramble on, but I don't have the time (who does?). For $475 dollars = today, you'd be wasting your money if you spent it on this CD. You'd be = better off buying the Ilio Interactive Drums and Snares CD along with = their Modern Songwriter CD in Roland format. You'd still end up spending = less than $450 if you bought those two, and you'd have sounds of MUCH = better quality. I even feel a little cheated (in the aesthetic sense) = for spending $55 on this CD off of eBay. Perhaps $30 would've made me = feel a little more comfortable.=20 If you need this, get it solely for the drums and for a low price, = otherwise save up and get the CDs aforementioned. 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Good Afternoon Everyone,
 
So, I dabbled a little more into the = sounds on the=20 Club 50 CD. Today I checked out many of the synth sounds. The synths = range from=20 the usual D50-ish pads to the moog-ish basses - Sounds tat are usually = covered=20 on almost all Roland instruments from 1989 and up. These interpretations = sound=20 so bad it isn't even funny. Now, does the fact that I own a Roland XP60 = with a=20 few expansion boards make me a little biased? Perhaps, but not really. = any of=20 the synth basses are extremely thin and brittle with no sense of space = and depth=20 whatsoever. The synth sounds such as the OB Brass (another category = covered on=20 all synths) didn't have the usual chorus that's expected to be sampled = into it.=20
 
Some of you may think that I'm = expecting a bit too=20 much. Others may rag on me for over criticizing guys like Eric Persing. = Well,=20 I've heard much better from other sample CDs around this time; many of = which=20 were created by the same producers who made the Club 50 CD. Put it this = way, the=20 synth basses and pads included on the Roland Rhythm Section Instruments = CD are=20 much further ahead than the ones on this CD. And the LCD01 came out a = year=20 before this one.
 
Saxes and Acoustic Basses. The = saxes aren't=20 all that great. They're all in the "sounds passable from g3 - f4" = category.=20 They're definitely recognizable, but I could almost guarantee that you'd = never=20 use them on a hit track. I couldn't even imagine big shot producers = using=20 them on recordings around the time the CD was produced. The electric = basses are=20 useable, but have note delay and attack problems. In other words, the = usual pull=20 of the string/no attack, string resonance that you usually associate = with the=20 bass is almost non-existent. Forget about the Pick basses. This is = important as=20 some of those electric basses eat up 4MB RAM. Considering one of the = best bass=20 collections EVER (the Roland JV80-010 Bass & Drum Expansion Board - = derived=20 from the Bass Legends CD from Spectrasonics) took up only 8MB, it goes = to show=20 that recording sample techniques have greatly improved as since more = detail and=20 better sounds could fit in a smaller amount of memory (forget for now = that=20 Roland uses data compression in the ROM Keyboards). The acoustic basses = included=20 are pretty useable and fun to play. One of them has a velocity switch so = you can=20 hear the string bend when you hit the key hard - go figure!
 
The guitars - I touched on this last = time, but I'll=20 give more detail. The Telecaster, Strats and Les Paul suck dirt - = Period. These=20 guys should've left them off of the CD. Guitar is an extremely hard = instrument=20 to duplicate on a sampler, but it can be done. My old Yamaha PSR500M = Home=20 Keyboard (which by the way, debuted in 1990) sounded way better than the = guitars=20 included here. The strats were a joke. The les paul was recorded way to = loud and=20 has almost no decay, which makes for a synth quality. The funk strats = sound like=20 the louder velocity switch of the Roland Patch SWITCH ON MUTE from the = JVs,=20 except with no ADSR envelope, which makes for a totally unrealistic=20 sound.
 
The only guitars that you MAY end up = liking are the=20 Nylon and CF100 variety. These have some string resonance and presence. = The=20 envelopes are better defined and the sounds therefore sound a bit more=20 realistic. The steel guitars are okay, but the ones on the Roland Guitar = &=20 Bass CD sound a little better. Remember though, I wasn't too crazy about = those=20 guitars either. Outside of the guitars on the Quantum Leap Guitar & = Bass CD,=20 the only other guitars that I fell in love with were all of those = included on=20 the Roland JV80-017 Country Collection. That board has over 150 guitars = in all=20 varieties. I really wish Roland would put that out on CD for it's = sampler and=20 XV5080 users (who don't want to buy the card) could enjoy.
 
The vocals on the CD are passable, but = are probably=20 best for the freestyle/80s hip-hop genre as they have a "sample" quality = to=20 them. When I use "sample" here, it's to describe the phrase sampler = variety.=20 Sort of like if you sample a voice with the S760 and map it across the = board,=20 rather than sample voices and diff pitches and set up an appropriate key = map=20 (like when sampling a piano). They sound good between g3-f3 and sound = stretched=20 or compressed anywhere else.
 
The true highlight of the Club = 50 Foundations=20 are the percussion. The congas, tambourines, kits, etc all sound real. = There are=20 some duds, but if you had to have this CD for ONE reason, it would be = for the=20 drums. Many of these sounds coupled with the Roland Drums & Cymbals = (or=20 Rhythm Section instruments) CD would provide an extremely useable = arsenal. I=20 love the Roland D & C CD, but hate many of the kicks and snares = which sound=20 extremely dated. The kicks and snares included on the Club 50 sound much = more=20 natural and realistic. Many of them have velocity switching implemented. = The=20 cymbals aren't all that great. The hi-hats are kind of nasal. =
 
I hope I provided a decent review. As = always,=20 there's more to that I could ramble on, but I don't have the time (who = does?).=20 For $475 dollars today, you'd be wasting your money if you spent it on = this CD.=20 You'd be better off buying the Ilio Interactive Drums and Snares CD = along with=20 their Modern Songwriter CD in Roland format. You'd still end up spending = less=20 than $450 if you bought those two, and you'd have sounds of MUCH better = quality.=20 I even feel a little cheated (in the aesthetic sense) for spending $55 = on this=20 CD off of eBay. Perhaps $30 would've made me feel a little more = comfortable.=20
 
If you need this, get it solely for the = drums and=20 for a low price, otherwise save up and get the CDs = aforementioned.
 
Good Day,
Harold
 
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Van:=20 Harold Everton, Jr. <evertonrecords@worldnet.a= tt.net>
Aan:=20 sgroup@lists.uunet.ca = <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>; =
Datum: woensdag 20 november 2002 = 17:10
Onderwerp: sgroup Sample CDs Part V

<Hey All,
 
<As much as I don't like this, I got = a gig with=20 a little record company in town. They want me to purchase 20 excellent=20 audio sample <CDs with dry Soul/R&B/Pop acoustic drum = loops as to=20 extract hits from (I'm assuming because they are already processed). I'm = <having trouble finding even one. I'm not really into the audio loop = market=20 (as you all well know). Can you guys help me out by <suggesting a=20 few?
 
<Thanks,
<Harold
 
 
Harold,
 
Above your original question which made me point you = to the=20 club 50 cd.
 
Now you sound very disapointed about the = cd.
 
I really don't know if you paid to much (55=20 dollars).
 
Lets put it this way: I paid 500 dollars for a S750 = including=20 10, mostly roland, cd roms.
I found the club 50 the most usable for my music=20 needs
 
I agree the piano's and basses are bad (I use the = roland piano=20 pcm card which came with my jv-880 andf I own a squier = Bass)
The guitars on the club 50, wel to be honest I never = heard=20 them till now (I am a guitar player so why use samples ?)
But you compare them to the mix on mute jv stuff, = and that's=20 how my fender can sound.
 
The drums on the club 50 are the main things I use = but I find=20 enough other sounds on this cd are usable for my pop rock blues jazz and = so on=20 things, a effects processor (boss vf-1) can beef things up.
 
 
 
Remember you where desperate searching for drumkits, = not for=20 the other stuff.
 
Okay, greetings.
I wanna add a = post scriptum,=20 I just took another look on your two club 50 cd-revieuws, I have to = admit I felt=20 a bit personally attacked at first, thath's the main reason I wrote this = email.
But I think = your revieuw=20 gives a reasonable fair image concerning this club 50 cd, sometimes on = details I=20 don't fully agree, but hey we''re different persons and have a different = music=20 approach.
But the drums, we agree, are the mean reason to buy = this cd=20 for a reasonable price.
 
L & Peace,
 
Sjaak
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From owner-sgroup Fri Dec 13 14:58:38 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20525>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:58:30 -0500 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.246]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20526>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:58:25 -0500 Received: from user-2inivgg.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.126.16] helo=randyhoffix) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Mvwv-0002EN-00; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:58:17 -0500 Message-ID: <003901c2a2e2$5e748b80$077179a5@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , References: <001f01c2a195$f6c80d60$fdbb580c@epu1> <001d01c2a19f$b3773040$57d956d1@netcom.com> <003601c2a1ce$ab767fc0$5b56580c@epu1> Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:00:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2A29F.31D779E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2A29F.31D779E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope this causes more discussion on some of these sounds. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:07 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Hey Randy, Good observation. I have to check out that CD. I only wrote this = because everyone was interested in my writing a review for the revered = Club 50 foundations CD. I'd say check the year. I shouldn't have = expected to much from a sample CD made in 1992.=20 Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Randy Hoffman=20 To: Harold Everton, Jr. ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Harold, I've listened to all sounds available from Roland: The CD's, all the = expansion cards for the JV series 1080, and Roland sounds for the = Samplers (550, 7xx) and have found the 2MB piano PCM card PCM1-04 on my = JV1080 to be the best.=20 I have now found the best grand piano sound so far in East-West = Ultimate Piano. The 32 MB "C" Steinway is so far the best sounding piano = I have heard for a Roland instrument (and that includes all the RD = series pianos). It is a full sound, warm, with out to much distancing = reverb, smooth mapping, clear highs without loop ringing, middle C = sounds wooden, and the low registers sound large but realistic without = too much of the Roland reverb and without a sound seperate from the rest = of the keyboard. I haven't yet heard some of the other Piano sounds from Prosonus, = Coakley, Stienberg, but I plan to. Anyone else heard a good piano. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Hey Group, After almost two weeks of watching the mail, I finally received my = Club 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and great reviews, I couldn't help = but be marginally content with the contents of the CD. After all, this = CD was produced in 1992. Knowing this, it shouldn't surprise anyone that = the sounds contained on the CD sound very "1992". Typical E-mu proteus = I, pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The only exceptions would be the = drums, which with few duds, sound pretty good - Great in fact.=20 The snares and some of the kicks coupled with Roland's Drums & = Cymbals CD-ROM would create a stellar and very useable drum arsenal of = sorts. The toms aren't that bad. The cymbals and hi-hats are very = repetitive, but like the other parts, can add some color to your = existing library. The guitars are maybe a step over the ones included on = the Guitar & Bass CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say that this means they = are great, as the ones in the Roland G&B are very disappointing to begin = with. Not too realistic at all. For great guitars, I'd say get the = Roland Country Expansion Board if you have a JV/XP module, or look = towards the Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass CD-ROM. Both of these have great = steel, nylon and clean patches. You want to do anything from Folk to = Funk, those libraries would more than get the job done with = ultra-realism. The pianos are terrible. Tackianos are included. It's amazing how = much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The 4MB Piano samples on Roland's = Session Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the Prosonus discs sound WAY = better than the 16MB samples included here. Perhaps this is due to = better recording techniques and memory conservation. Brass is also not = good. You could get comparable sounds from an early 90s Casio keyboard. = I'd have to say that the highlights on this CD are the drums and = percussion. Many of the other samples are a waste of memory, are heavily = chorused, have phase problems, etc. The organs are okay, but aren't = anything you've already heard before. Considering that this CD was once $479, and I paid $55 - I think I = got a decent bargain. I couldn't say that this CD is a must have, but it = is an okay item to have in your library. Thanks, Harold=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2A29F.31D779E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hope this causes more discussion on some of these=20 sounds.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.
Sent: Thursday, December 12, = 2002 3:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 = Foundations=20 CD-ROM

Hey Randy,
 
Good observation. I have to check out = that CD. I=20 only wrote this because everyone was interested in my writing a review = for the=20 revered Club 50 foundations CD. I'd say check the year. I shouldn't = have=20 expected to much from a sample CD made in 1992.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Randy Hoffman
To: Harold Everton, = Jr. ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca =
Sent: Thursday, December 12, = 2002 12:30=20 AM
Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 = Foundations=20 CD-ROM

Harold,

I've listened to all sounds available from Roland: The CD's, all = the=20 expansion cards for the JV series 1080, and Roland sounds for the = Samplers=20 (550, 7xx) and have found the 2MB piano PCM card PCM1-04 on my = JV1080 to be=20 the best.

I have now found the best grand piano sound so far in East-West = Ultimate=20 Piano. The 32 MB "C" Steinway is so far the best sounding piano I = have heard=20 for a Roland instrument (and that includes all the RD series = pianos). It is=20 a full sound, warm, with out to much distancing reverb, smooth = mapping,=20 clear highs without loop ringing, middle C sounds wooden, and the = low=20 registers sound large but realistic without too much of the Roland = reverb=20 and without a sound seperate from the rest of the keyboard.

I haven't yet heard some of the other Piano sounds from Prosonus, = Coakley, Stienberg, but I plan to.

Anyone else heard a good piano.

Randy

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 11, 2002=20 8:21 PM
Subject: sgroup Club 50 = Foundations=20 CD-ROM

Hey Group,
 
After almost two weeks of = watching the mail,=20 I finally received my Club 50 CD-ROM. Amidst all the hype and = great=20 reviews, I couldn't help but be marginally content with the = contents of=20 the CD. After all, this CD was produced in 1992. Knowing this, it=20 shouldn't surprise anyone that the sounds contained on the CD = sound very=20 "1992". Typical E-mu proteus I, pre-Roland JV era type sounds. The = only=20 exceptions would be the drums, which with few duds, sound pretty = good -=20 Great in fact.
 
The snares and some of the kicks = coupled with=20 Roland's Drums & Cymbals CD-ROM would create a stellar and = very=20 useable drum arsenal of sorts. The toms aren't that bad. The = cymbals and=20 hi-hats are very repetitive, but like the other parts, can add = some color=20 to your existing library. The guitars are maybe a step over the = ones=20 included on the Guitar & Bass CD-ROM from Roland. Not to say = that this=20 means they are great, as the ones in the Roland G&B are very=20 disappointing to begin with. Not too realistic at all. For great = guitars,=20 I'd say get the Roland Country Expansion Board if you have a JV/XP = module,=20 or look towards the Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass CD-ROM. Both = of these=20 have great steel, nylon and clean patches. You want to do anything = from=20 Folk to Funk, those libraries would more than get the job done = with=20 ultra-realism.
 
The pianos are terrible. = Tackianos are=20 included. It's amazing how much 16MB couldn't do on this CD. The = 4MB Piano=20 samples on Roland's Session Expansion Board and 2MB Piano on the = Prosonus=20 discs sound WAY better than the 16MB samples included here. = Perhaps this=20 is due to better recording techniques and memory = conservation. Brass is also not good. You could get = comparable sounds=20 from an early 90s Casio keyboard. I'd have to say that the = highlights on=20 this CD are the drums and percussion. Many of the other samples = are a=20 waste of memory, are heavily chorused, have phase problems, etc. = The=20 organs are okay, but aren't anything you've already heard=20 before.
 
Considering that this CD was once = $479, and I=20 paid $55 - I think I got a decent bargain. I couldn't say that = this CD is=20 a must have, but it is an okay item to have in your = library.
 
Thanks,
Harold=20
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From owner-sgroup Fri Dec 13 17:16:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20526>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:16:28 -0500 Received: from holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net (holt.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.187]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20526>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:16:12 -0500 Received: from smui03.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.22]) by holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18My6M-0002kL-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:16:10 -0500 Received: by smui03.slb.mindspring.net id RAA0000024624; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:16:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:16:09 -0500 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Foundations CD-ROM Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.192.133.18 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Well, does anyone have any other sample libraries or sounds they've just acquired? And what happened with the discussion about the piano sound someone had sampled and might make accessible on the sgroup web site? Jesse Randy Hoffman wrote: > I hope this causes more discussion on some of these sounds. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Dec 13 17:48:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20525>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:17 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20525>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:07 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18MybB-0000BY-0U for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:48:02 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup Piano samples - was Re: Club 50 Foundations Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:48:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >And what happened with the discussion about the piano sound someone had >sampled and might make accessible on the sgroup web site? Eveybody is raving about William Cockley's Perfect Piano series. Volume 1 (Steinway D) - 16Mb and Volume 2 (Fazioli) 32Mb are available in Roland format. Check his website at http://www.williamcoakley.com/piano.htm where you can also read various reviews published by Electronic Musician, Keyboard, etc. Not cheap at $300 per disc but the best there is. I bought volume 1 in E-Mu format 18 months ago from a closing-down studio sale, and I was not disappointed one iota. Amazing to hear what a well-programmed 16Mb bank can do. As the core samples will be the same, there is no reason to doubt the Roland version wouldn't be good as well. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 14 06:45:28 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-18962>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:45:19 -0500 Received: from m10.nyc.untd.com ([64.136.22.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-18962>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:45:13 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"faI2IXE8CmpxDmfSzhTRSi5GJvXYdlANgtgKTsLF+02cYMpsZNslPQ=="> Received: (from evcodigital@juno.com) by m10.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HKY4UG4W; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:45:02 EST To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:52:27 -0500 Subject: sgroup PLAYING SAMPLES ON THE S-550? Message-Id: <2002Dec14.064513edt.193715-18962@hugin.uunet.ca> Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-ID: value found on hugin.uunet.ca: Message-ID: <20021214.065229.-401117.3.evcodigital@juno.com@juno.com> ^-illegal end of message identification X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: William W Evans Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello, I am new to the list and just purchased the s 550 wanted samples to sound gritty. Am having an awful time trying to hear the samples. Have sampler midi to keyboard used input to create a sample...can see wave on screen...when the I trigger the sample with my controller the midi message indicator lights up so I know it is receiving the signal but for some reason when monitoring through the headphone jack I hear nothing. Only once I was successful but have not been able to duplicate what sequence of things I did to get it to work. Sampler and everything is working fine...just can't hear the darn sample.....HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sincerely dazed and confused P.S. the Roland manual for this unit sucks big time! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 14 12:46:56 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-18962>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:46:50 -0500 Received: from sirppi.helsinki.fi ([128.214.205.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18962>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:46:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (piekkala@localhost) by sirppi.helsinki.fi (8.11.6/8.11.4) with ESMTP id gBEHkYK09623 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:46:34 +0200 (EET) X-Authentication-Warning: sirppi.helsinki.fi: piekkala owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:46:34 -0500 From: Jussi Piekkala To: Sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Piano samples In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Francois Rossi wrote: > Eveybody is raving about William Cockley's Perfect Piano series. Volume 1 > (Steinway D) - 16Mb and Volume 2 (Fazioli) 32Mb are available in Roland > format. Check his website at http://www.williamcoakley.com/piano.htm where > you can also read various reviews published by Electronic Musician, > Keyboard, etc. Not cheap at $300 per disc but the best there is. On the above mentioned site there is a discussion board where the question regarding if the WC Perfect Piano samples sounded better in either the EMU or the Roland format. In a reply posted by William Coakley (1999), he states the following: > Roland has that pre-emphasis/de-emphasis which to me appears to create > a slight compression in the high end. The pianos change more in the > Roland than the Emu... and the change is not better or worse its just > different... some will like it... some not. The Steinway piano on > Volume II sounds better in the Roland than in other formats but, as I > remember from a few years ago... I personally might prefer the Emu but > I admit I would agonize over it a bit. It's a hard call. The Emu has > more voices under one roof... that's a plus. Does any of you have any experience with the WC samples? jp ______________________________________________________________________ jussi.piekkala@helsinki.fi >><< http://www.helsinki.fi/~piekkala/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 14 22:56:28 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-18962>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:56:19 -0500 Received: from siaab1aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18962>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:56:12 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaab1aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.18) id WAA10011 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:56:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:55:53 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup syquest? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200212142256_MC3-1-1FA2-C404@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'm told that a Syquest Ez230 will work with Roland samplers, but when I try to format the disks or write to em I get a write protect error. The disk is not write protected. Anyone have this problem or sucessfully use a Syquest Ez230 with a Roland= sampler? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 15 08:33:58 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-11654>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:33:53 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11654>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:33:38 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NYth-0006SR-0Y for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:33:34 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup syquest? Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:33:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200212142256_MC3-1-1FA2-C404@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Dennis wrote: >I'm told that a Syquest Ez230 will work with Roland samplers, but when I >try to format the disks or write to em I get a write protect error. I'd like to second that query for my S-760 website in progress. I plan on doing a page on a list of scsi devices that don't work well or at all with the S-760. Alternatively, if you could send me an email confirming newer scsi devices work with the sampler, such as Jaz 2Gb, Orb 2.2Gb, Zip 250, etc... Thanks, Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 15 09:49:27 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-11655>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:49:19 -0500 Received: from mail.cwjamaica.com ([200.10.152.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11654>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:49:08 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.201] ([208.138.29.2]) by mail.cwjamaica.com with ESMTP id <20021215134422.SNFM3410.mail@[208.138.29.2]>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:44:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp//richardsven.com@pop3.postoffice.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200212142256_MC3-1-1FA2-C404@compuserve.com> References: <200212142256_MC3-1-1FA2-C404@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:48:36 -0500 To: dennis barton , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup syquest? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 10:55 PM -0500 14/12/2002, dennis barton wrote: >I'm told that a Syquest Ez230 will work with Roland samplers, but when I >try to format the disks or write to em I get a write protect error. The >disk is not write protected. > >Anyone have this problem or sucessfully use a Syquest Ez230 with a Roland >sampler? I use to use one successfully until the drive died and started doing that exact same thing that you are describing... is th is a new (well unused since I know they are no longer manufactured) one or an old one ? rsp -- richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-7999 (fax) and the analytical way" - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 15 09:50:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-11654>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:50:20 -0500 Received: from mail.cwjamaica.com ([200.10.152.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11655>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:50:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.201] ([208.138.29.2]) by mail.cwjamaica.com with ESMTP id <20021215134526.SNKI3410.mail@[208.138.29.2]>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:45:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp//richardsven.com@pop3.postoffice.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:50:40 -0500 To: , "Sgroup" From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: RE: sgroup syquest? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 8:33 AM -0500 15/12/2002, Francois Rossi wrote: > >Dennis wrote: >>I'm told that a Syquest Ez230 will work with Roland samplers, but when I >>try to format the disks or write to em I get a write protect error. > >I'd like to second that query for my S-760 website in progress. I plan on >doing a page on a list of scsi devices that don't work well or at all with >the S-760. Alternatively, if you could send me an email confirming newer >scsi devices work with the sampler, such as Jaz 2Gb, Orb 2.2Gb, Zip 250, >etc... > >Thanks, > >Francois > I switched from the syquest ez230 and now use a zip 250 instead. works with zero problems, 18 months and counting. rsp -- richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-7999 (fax) and the analytical way" - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 15 09:53:13 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-11654>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:53:05 -0500 Received: from mail.cwjamaica.com ([200.10.152.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11654>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:52:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.201] ([208.138.29.2]) by mail.cwjamaica.com with ESMTP id <20021215134757.SNUX3410.mail@[208.138.29.2]>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:47:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp//richardsven.com@pop3.postoffice.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200212142256_MC3-1-1FA2-C404@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:53:10 -0500 To: dennis barton , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup syquest? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 9:48 AM -0500 15/12/2002, Richard Sven Patterson wrote: >At 10:55 PM -0500 14/12/2002, dennis barton wrote: >>I'm told that a Syquest Ez230 will work with Roland samplers, but when I >>try to format the disks or write to em I get a write protect error. The >>disk is not write protected. >> >>Anyone have this problem or sucessfully use a Syquest Ez230 with a Roland >>sampler? > > >I use to use one successfully until the drive died and started doing >that exact same thing that you are describing... no wait that was what use to happen to my 270MB syquest which I changed to the EZ 230 which worked fine for about a year or two until it started taken long and longer to mount disks... it reach about 10 hours before you put a cartridge in and it appeared... and then it never mounted after over three days and I took it out of commission... switched to a zip 250 and have had zero problems. rsp > > >is th is a new (well unused since I know they are no longer >manufactured) one or an old one ? > >rsp >-- >richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com >876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice >876-925-7999 (fax) and the analytical way" > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -- richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-7999 (fax) and the analytical way" - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 15 14:32:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-11655>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:32:02 -0500 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11655>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:31:59 -0500 Received: from s060b021.kapsch.co.at (s060b021.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:31:49 +0100 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by s060b021.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:31:49 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: AW: sgroup syquest? Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764CC361@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup syquest? Thread-Index: AcKkPq+eATrEiq2FQ9mycxLtVTBhPwAMdLbl From: "Ullrich Peter" To: , "Sgroup" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2002 19:31:49.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CB141B0:01C2A470] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk CT5JJ2QgbGlrZSB0byBzZWNvbmQgdGhhdCBxdWVyeSBmb3IgbXkgUy03NjAgd2Vic2l0ZSBpbiBw cm9ncmVzcy4gSSBwbGFuDQpvbg0KCT5kb2luZyBhIHBhZ2Ugb24gYSBsaXN0IG9mIHNjc2kgZGV2 aWNlcyB0aGF0IGRvbid0IHdvcmsgd2VsbCBvciBhdCBhbGwNCndpdGgNCgk+dGhlIFMtNzYwLiBB bHRlcm5hdGl2ZWx5LCBpZiB5b3UgY291bGQgc2VuZCBtZSBhbiBlbWFpbCBjb25maXJtaW5nDQpu ZXdlcg0KCT5zY3NpIGRldmljZXMgd29yayB3aXRoIHRoZSBzYW1wbGVyLCBzdWNoIGFzIEpheiAy R2IsIE9yYiAyLjJHYiwgWmlwDQoyNTAsDQoJPmV0Yy4uLg0KCQ0KDQoJQSBaSVAyNTAgKGV4dGVy bmFsIGRyaXZlKSB3b3JrcyENCg0KCUNpYW8NCg0KCVBldGVyDQoNCglodHRwOi8vd3d3LnVsbHJp Y2guYXQudHQNCg0K - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 15 15:51:38 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-11655>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:51:33 -0500 Received: from siaab1aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11655>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:51:17 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaab1aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.18) id PAA19832 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:51:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:51:01 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup syquest? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200212151551_MC3-1-1FEE-FE19@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >I use to use one successfully until the drive died and started doing th= at >exact same thing that you are describing... > >is th is a new (well unused since I know they are no longer manufacture= d) >one or an old one ? This was new in the box until last week. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 15 16:03:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-11654>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:03:15 -0500 Received: from mail.cwjamaica.com ([200.10.152.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11654>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:03:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.201] ([208.138.29.2]) by mail.cwjamaica.com with ESMTP id <20021215195824.UXOC3410.mail@[208.138.29.2]>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:58:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp//richardsven.com@pop3.postoffice.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200212151551_MC3-1-1FEE-FE19@compuserve.com> References: <200212151551_MC3-1-1FEE-FE19@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:03:36 -0500 To: dennis barton , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup syquest? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 3:51 PM -0500 15/12/2002, dennis barton wrote: > > > >I use to use one successfully until the drive died and started doing that > >exact same thing that you are describing... > > > >is th is a new (well unused since I know they are no longer manufactured) > >one or an old one ? > ok what would sometimes work for me was to disable then enable write on the tab of the disk. rsp -- richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-7999 (fax) and the analytical way" - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 16 04:55:18 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8248>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:55:10 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe3335383137303533.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8248>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:55:04 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBG9t0328567 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:55:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8247>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:23:20 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust37.tnt1.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.24.37]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA19519 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:23:13 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3DFD9A07.5030209@cityweb.de> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:16:55 -0500 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Piano samples References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C14A5@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > Poor piano samples seems to be a constant complaint. The best piano > sample I have is from a rented Roland RD-600. I sampled two velocity > levels across 6 octaves of each C and G using my S760 (32 MB). I think > it took 9 disks to save it. My friend who is a fabulous pianist said > it sounded as good as anything he's used for much $$$. It cost me $40 > Canadian to rent the RD600 for a weekend (needed it for a Saturday gig > and sampled it on Sunday). Well worth the effort! > > I only had time to sample one piano sound with two levels How did you do the velocity switching, hard or with some crossfade? I found that hard switching can cause an unnatural feel (maybe more to the player than to the listener), but crossfade can cause some unpleasant flanging effect. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 16 10:53:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8248>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:53:12 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8248>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:53:01 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:51:50 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C14D0@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: debus@cityweb.de, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Piano samples Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:51:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I don't recall exactly (I'll check later) but I think I used hard switching. The samples from the RD600 were smooth enough that you can't hear the switching. I've had the flanging problem with some drum samples. > >Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > > Poor piano samples seems to be a constant complaint. The best piano > > sample I have is from a rented Roland RD-600. I sampled two velocity > > levels across 6 octaves of each C and G using my S760 (32 >MB). I think > > it took 9 disks to save it. My friend who is a fabulous pianist said > > it sounded as good as anything he's used for much $$$. It >cost me $40 > > Canadian to rent the RD600 for a weekend (needed it for a >Saturday gig > > and sampled it on Sunday). Well worth the effort! > > > > I only had time to sample one piano sound with two levels > >How did you do the velocity switching, hard or with some crossfade? I >found that hard switching can cause an unnatural feel (maybe more to >the player than to the listener), but crossfade can cause some >unpleasant flanging effect. > >Ingo > > > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 16 18:30:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8247>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:30:30 -0500 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.246]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8248>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:30:29 -0500 Received: from smui01.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.21]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18O4gn-0003kk-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:30:21 -0500 Received: by smui01.slb.mindspring.net id SAA0000024355; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:30:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:30:20 -0500 From: To: sgroup Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: sgroup Very Reasonable Price for Korg Synth CDs Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.192.133.18 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk A German sample CD company called Back in Time had a double CD set called 'Korg Universe Vol. 1 & 2' on ebay for a suggested starting bid of $15.00. I bid on it but lost out; the final price was $51.00. I emailed the site and asked what they would charge if I went directly through them. Their price is $25.00. This is for a two CD set in Akai S1000 format including lots of samples from vintage Korg instruments. It includes a 76 page color booklet with details of the instruments. With shipping and a $2.00 fee since I paid by paypal my total was $43.00. Not too shabby! I can't vouch for the quality of the CDs but if you visit their web site there are three mp3 demos which sound pretty good. Here's their site: http://www.backintimerecords.de Click on Sample Libraries and then Korg Universe Series. Some of it's in German, so be warned. They sample most of this stuff dry which I how I like it. They also have a drum library that sounds interesting called Big Bang in Akai S1000 format and a Grand Piano CD with some big samples (30Mb for the largest patch) in Akai S3000 format. Once I get the Korg Universe CD I'll let everyone know what it sounds like. If anyone remembers when I posted a sampler CD you could buy for $5.00 off the internet, this is the same company, so some of the samples from that sampler CD will be on these CDs, I'm sure. Personally I thought they sounded good if not fantastic, but more than worth $43 for two CDs worth of samples. Oh, and if you want to try their ebay auctions click here: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/newstudio/. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 16 19:05:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8247>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:05:02 -0500 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8247>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:04:56 -0500 Received: from s060b021.kapsch.co.at (s060b021.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:04:46 +0100 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by s060b021.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:04:45 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: AW: sgroup Very Reasonable Price for Korg Synth CDs Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:04:45 -0500 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764CC36F@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Very Reasonable Price for Korg Synth CDs Thread-Index: AcKlWzQWhyVnONlyTFWSYlAR6k1A3wABHGtX From: "Ullrich Peter" To: , "sgroup" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 00:04:45.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[E84705C0:01C2A55F] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk SGkhDQoNCgk+QSBHZXJtYW4gc2FtcGxlIENEIGNvbXBhbnkgY2FsbGVkIEJhY2sgaW4gVGltZSBo YWQgYSBkb3VibGUgQ0Qgc2V0DQpjYWxsZWQNCgk+J0tvcmcgVW5pdmVyc2UgVm9sLiAxICYgMicg b24gZWJheSBmb3IgYSBzdWdnZXN0ZWQgc3RhcnRpbmcgYmlkIG9mDQokMTUuMDAuICA+SSBiaWQg b24gaXQgYnV0IGxvc3Qgb3V0OyB0aGUgZmluYWwgcHJpY2Ugd2FzICQ1MS4wMC4NCgkNCgk+SSBl bWFpbGVkIHRoZSBzaXRlIGFuZCBhc2tlZCB3aGF0IHRoZXkgd291bGQgY2hhcmdlIGlmIEkgd2Vu dCBkaXJlY3RseQ0KPnRocm91Z2ggdGhlbS4gIFRoZWlyIHByaWNlIGlzICQyNS4wMC4gIFRoaXMg aXMgZm9yIGEgdHdvIENEIHNldCBpbiBBa2FpID5TMTAwMA0KZm9ybWF0IGluY2x1ZGluZyBsb3Rz IG9mIHNhbXBsZXMgZnJvbSB2aW50YWdlIEtvcmcgaW5zdHJ1bWVudHMuICBJdCA+aW5jbHVkZXMg YQ0KNzYgcGFnZSBjb2xvciBib29rbGV0IHdpdGggZGV0YWlscyBvZiB0aGUgaW5zdHJ1bWVudHMu ICBXaXRoID5zaGlwcGluZyBhbmQgYQ0KJDIuMDAgZmVlIHNpbmNlIEkgcGFpZCBieSBwYXlwYWwg bXkgdG90YWwgd2FzICQ0My4wMC4gIE5vdCA+dG9vIHNoYWJieSENCgkNCg0KCT5PbmNlIEkgZ2V0 IHRoZSBLb3JnIFVuaXZlcnNlIENEIEknbGwgbGV0IGV2ZXJ5b25lIGtub3cgd2hhdCBpdCBzb3Vu ZHMNCmxpa2UuDQoJDQoNCgk+T2gsIGFuZCBpZiB5b3Ugd2FudCB0byB0cnkgdGhlaXIgZWJheSBh dWN0aW9ucyBjbGljayBoZXJlOg0KCT4gaHR0cDovL21lbWJlcnMuZWJheS5jb20vYWJvdXRtZS9u ZXdzdHVkaW8vLg0KDQoJVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB0aGUgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24uIEkgYW0gYmlkZGlu ZyBvbiB0aGUga29yZyB1bml2ZXJzZSBhbmQNCkVsZWt0cmEgdm94LiBMZXRzIHNlZSBpZiBJIGNh biBnZXQgdGhlbS4NCg0KCUNpYW8NCg0KCVBldGVyDQoJDQoNCg== - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 17 08:45:37 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:45:29 -0500 Received: from hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.23]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:45:19 -0500 Received: from smui08.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.50]) by hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OI27-0007Yi-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:45:15 -0500 Received: by smui08.slb.mindspring.net id IAA0000026989; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:45:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:45:15 -0500 From: To: sgroup Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: sgroup More on the German Sample CDs Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.192.133.18 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Their direct price for the Grand Piano sample CD in Akai S3000 format is $25, plus shipping (I'm paying $16 shipping for the Korg Universe CD but that's a double CD; shipping these CDs should be less) and $15 for the Big Bang drums & percussion CD. Check out their web site for descriptions. www.backintimerecords.de Let me know if anyone decides to bite. I'd love to know what folks think about these other CDs. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 17 11:19:28 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:19:20 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:19:14 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.186.237]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021217161909.ZXGS20575.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:19:09 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c2a5e7$afe45380$edba580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: Subject: sgroup Akai S3000 Format (Spin-off of German CD topic) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:16:41 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Jesse, I seem to remember asking you a question related to this subject before. No one has given me a direct answer. Have you had success convert loading Akai S3000 formatted CDs into the Roland S760? Didn't you say you had a couple of Akai S3000 format CDs in your collection? What information gets lost in the conversion? You'd assume something would as Roland advertised the S760 as being able to convert ONLY S1000 CDs (and sometimes, it doesn't even do that well). Thanks, Harold - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 17 11:33:17 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:33:09 -0500 Received: from ohsmtp03.ogw.rr.com ([65.24.7.38]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:33:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (grv230145.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.145]) by ohsmtp03.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBHGWs2A000923 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:32:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:33:05 -0500 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <105138544736.20021217113305@columbus.rr.com> To: Roland S-Group Subject: sgroup Converting samples??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk In the manual for the S-750 it says that you can convert S-50 samples for use. However the 750 seems to only recognize S-550 disks? I've got a ton of S-50 disks. Is there a library utility for the 750? I have a librarian for the S-50. But obviously the 750 wasn't around when that was created. For those doing websites on the 760 or 750's. It would be useful if you had a page that talked about how to get Akai, S-50, S-550, W-30, and other samples loaded. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 17 12:21:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:21:31 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:21:25 -0500 Received: from [62.64.203.91] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OLTq-000HYd-00; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:26:07 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Gaffa" Cc: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup Converting samples??? Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:21:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <105138544736.20021217113305@columbus.rr.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk There is something called SYS-502 that enables you to convert from 50 to 550 or 550 to 50, but you have to have a 330 or 550 to use it! Once converted to 550, the 750/760 imports the floppy content ok. >For those doing websites on the 760 or 750's. It would be useful if >you had a page that talked about how to get Akai, S-50, S-550, W-30, >and other samples loaded. Yes, coming along. The task is somewhat bigger than I had first envisaged but I expect to have the site in beta for the Sgroup to access in 2 weeks. In the meantime, you best bet is the new version of W30SMF (w30smf.frankie.sk) coming out soon which will enable you to convert S-50/S-550/W-30 disks from one format to the other. This way, you would be able to convert the entire RSB-50 library to S-550 format to then open it with your S-750. At the moment, version 1.0 doesn't allow you to do that. Version 2.0 shouldn't be too long and the group will be told as soon as it is released. Cheers, Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 17 13:29:11 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:29:04 -0500 Received: from holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net (holt.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.187]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8799>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:28:57 -0500 Received: from smui07.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.17]) by holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OMSZ-0002Kh-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:28:51 -0500 Received: by smui07.slb.mindspring.net id NAA0000032434; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:27:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:27:09 -0500 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: sgroup [No Subject] Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.192.133.18 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold wrote: > Have you had success convert loading Akai > S3000 formatted CDs into the Roland S760? Didn't you say you had a couple of > Akai S3000 format CDs in your collection? What information gets lost in the > conversion? Unfortunately I don't have any S3000 formatted CDs, and you're right, no one ever answered this question on the list so perhaps nobody here has ever tried convert-loading one. If someone is interested enough in the Grand Piano CD it might be worth buying this CD for $25 (plus shipping & paypal fee) to try it out. Me, I've got a few pretty good piano samples so I'm all set. Man, I wish I'd heard Mars music was going to close before it actually did. We had two huge super stores in this area and I probably could've picked up a deal or two on sample CDs. Did anyone on the list find any deals when their local Mars closed down? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 18 05:19:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-19685>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:19:49 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl ([194.151.104.156]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19685>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:19:42 -0500 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.197]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:21:38 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c2a680$6d6a4160$c5f14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Roland S-Group" References: <105138544736.20021217113305@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Converting samples??? Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:30:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Did you try Awave ? Maybe this one will get you further. Perhaps it will only be of help with the samples themselves though, haven't tried. (www.fmjsoft.com) Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaffa To: Roland S-Group Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: sgroup Converting samples??? > > In the manual for the S-750 it says that you can convert S-50 samples > for use. However the 750 seems to only recognize S-550 disks? I've > got a ton of S-50 disks. Is there a library utility for the 750? I > have a librarian for the S-50. But obviously the 750 wasn't around > when that was created. > > For those doing websites on the 760 or 750's. It would be useful if > you had a page that talked about how to get Akai, S-50, S-550, W-30, > and other samples loaded. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Dec 19 11:23:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24991>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:23:17 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([66.203.197.233]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24991>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:23:10 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBJGN4l49682 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:23:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([66.203.197.233]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24991>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:07:25 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBJG7CJ48796 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:07:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Message-ID: <000d01c2a6db$c97daae0$67524d51@006035720347> From: "Catherine White" To: Subject: sgroup Roland W30 system disks Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:23:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A6DB.C3030980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A6DB.C3030980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. I dont really know who this message will reach but if anyone can = help it will be much appreciated.=20 Here is my problem... I recently received a Roland W30 from a friend the only problem being = that the system disk wont boot up (I assume it is broken).=20 I have looked on a few sites but being almost computer illiterate I am = very confused. Is it possible to download a copy from the internet onto a floppy disk = which I can then put into the keyboard? It is version 1.06 from 1989. I am writing this from a friends computer so my email address is CaseyLongden@hotmail.com Thankyou, Casey. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A6DB.C3030980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello. I dont really know who this = message will=20 reach but if anyone can help it will be much appreciated.
 
Here is my problem...
 
I recently received a Roland W30 from a = friend the=20 only problem being that the system disk wont boot up (I assume it is = broken).=20
I have looked on a few sites but being = almost=20 computer illiterate I am very confused.
Is it possible to download a copy from = the internet=20 onto a floppy disk which I can then put into the keyboard? It is version = 1.06=20 from 1989.
I am writing this from a friends = computer so my=20 email address is
CaseyLongden@hotmail.com
 
Thankyou, Casey.
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2A6DB.C3030980-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Dec 20 17:24:48 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-10734>; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:24:41 -0500 Received: from hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.23]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-10734>; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:24:31 -0500 Received: from smui05.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.91]) by hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PVZE-0007Fm-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:24:28 -0500 Received: by smui05.slb.mindspring.net id RAA0000020512; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:24:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 17:24:26 -0500 From: To: sgroup Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: sgroup If anyone is wondering about those BackInTimeRecords sample cds ... Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.192.133.18 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Here's a web site that has reviews of three or four of the CDs I described in my post about their ebay auctions. The review of Korg Universe is pretty good - I'm psyched about getting it! http://www.sounduser.com/reviews/reviewsall.cfm Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 21 10:16:36 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-25110>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:16:29 -0500 Received: from hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.23]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-25111>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:16:15 -0500 Received: from smui08.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.50]) by hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PlMI-00063f-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:16:10 -0500 Received: by smui08.slb.mindspring.net id KAA0000026157; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:16:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:16:08 -0500 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: sgroup Awesome!!! Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.121.138.154 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I got the Korg Universe CDs yesterday and have just started listening - fantastic! This is one of the best sounding CDs I have. The sound quality for the samples is easily as good as anything on the Roland CDs. I've only heard a few of the synths and drum machines but it's an amazing collection! Two CDs worth of analog and didigtal synths, plus drum machines, drum samples & sounds from the synths and effects sounds. Each CD comes with a very nice booklet that details each synth and its history as well as all the info on the samples. The only downside is these seem to be pretty long samples and it takes a really long time to Convert Load on the S-760. I'd said previously this didn't seem to be a problem but I guess when I wrote that I was using a CD with lots of much smaller samples. At any rate, this is an unbelievable deal for only $41.00. Buy it! Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 21 10:46:17 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-25110>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:46:10 -0500 Received: from unix6.sysnet.net ([206.142.32.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-25110>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:45:59 -0500 Received: from sysnet.net (a53beth01.sysnet.net [206.142.16.159]) by unix6.sysnet.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBLFjPc15030; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:45:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E048D3C.1D6EACDA@sysnet.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:48:16 -0500 From: Ron Shansby Reply-To: rshansby@sysnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf,he MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca" , Eric Shansby Subject: sgroup Roland JX-305 Groove Synth problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk To the sgroup-- We have a Roland JX-305 Groove Synthesizer which has crashed repeatedly after giving us a lot of great service. A technician said that he had contacted Roland in California and that the problem appears to be corrupt ROM. Since sending the unit to California will probably cost $40 or so each way, I am trying to find out if this is really necessary to do. Can we reinstall data in the ROM? Where can we get it and how do we do it? While we have several manuals which I need to check out, any input from the users group would be helpful. In way of background: My son bought a Roland JX-305 keyboard about 15 months ago. However, all of a sudden about 5 months ago he started having trouble with it crashing and failing to operate. He reloaded its software or firmware or whatever, but he still has not been successful with that. He even loaded an older version of its software. He did get some guidance on this from some people on line. For a few hours it did work, but then it repeated its crashing. Now he cannot get it to work, again. Thanks, Ron Shansby - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 22 10:23:45 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-4950>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:23:36 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4950>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:23:26 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Q7wm-0009MO-0W for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:23:21 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup S-760 website Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:23:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The website I'm doing on the S-760 is far from being completed but it has reached beta stage. I am giving the URL only to the Sgroup as I don't consider it 'live' yet. So please don't circulate this info outside the group. I am only able to test the pages under Microsoft Explorer 5.5 and 6.0 and Opera 6.0. I'd be happy to hear from Netscape users whether everything displays OK. For those who take the time to browse the site, your opinion and remarks will be most welcome, be it on the design or content aspect or the site. There will be more later. I am waiting for other documents and I still have to finish some pdf files such as user's manuals. URL: http://s760.cjb.net Merry Xmas everyone, Francois Rossi - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 22 12:25:49 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-4949>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:25:44 -0500 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4950>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:25:34 -0500 Received: from host213-122-196-54.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.196.54]) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Q9qv-0005eZ-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:25:26 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:25:37 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 website From: Mark J Foster To: Sgroup Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, yeah it works great from here. I viewed it using a Mac and a PC both on IE and netscape as well as Mozilla and Chimera on OS X and all seems to be working smoothly. Let us know when it all goes live as it looks like a great site. Have you any plans to add S-770 details? Finally, where did you get the font that you use for the blue navigation text? I have been looking for a Roland font to use on a Roland User Group site I am developing. Anyway, great work......design is nice and elegant and simple to get around and the content is excellent. Artifice http://www.artifice-design.co.uk > The website I'm doing on the S-760 is far from being completed but it has > reached beta stage. I am giving the URL only to the Sgroup as I don't > consider it 'live' yet. So please don't circulate this info outside the > group. > > I am only able to test the pages under Microsoft Explorer 5.5 and 6.0 and > Opera 6.0. I'd be happy to hear from Netscape users whether everything > displays OK. > > For those who take the time to browse the site, your opinion and remarks > will be most welcome, be it on the design or content aspect or the site. > > There will be more later. I am waiting for other documents and I still have > to finish some pdf files such as user's manuals. > > URL: http://s760.cjb.net > > Merry Xmas everyone, > > Francois Rossi > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 22 14:05:48 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-4949>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:05:39 -0500 Received: from mercury.is.co.za ([196.4.160.222]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4949>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:05:36 -0500 Received: from [196.33.245.235] (c8-rba-235.dial-up.net [196.33.245.235]) by mercury.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC301B8109 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:05:26 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:05:13 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Francois, The site seems to work fine on Mac OS9.2.2 using Netscape. Some suggestions: When you take the link, you get 9 black buttons to choose from. When you take a link, the buttons go away. It would be easier if they stayed, so you could select another button instead of having to use the browser's button. Same with the page, etc. I have a few files that might be useful - give me a while to finish an urgent job and I'll mail them to you. Basic impression: VERY nice site and a useful resource for all S760 owners. (FX: loud applause) Regards - Colin >The website I'm doing on the S-760 is far from being completed but it has >reached beta stage. I am giving the URL only to the Sgroup as I don't >consider it 'live' yet. So please don't circulate this info outside the >group. > >I am only able to test the pages under Microsoft Explorer 5.5 and 6.0 and >Opera 6.0. I'd be happy to hear from Netscape users whether everything >displays OK. > >For those who take the time to browse the site, your opinion and remarks >will be most welcome, be it on the design or content aspect or the site. > >There will be more later. I am waiting for other documents and I still have >to finish some pdf files such as user's manuals. > >URL: http://s760.cjb.net > >Merry Xmas everyone, > >Francois Rossi > > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 22 17:50:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-4950>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:50:50 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4950>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:50:34 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18QEvV-0006hx-0Z for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:50:29 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup S-760 website Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:51:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk In reply to many queries I've had. Yes, there will be some information about the other S-7xx samplers, probably in the form of 'differences with S-760'. However, the website is dedicated to the S-760, and so I intend to complete it before adding the info on the other models. Thanks to those who sent me some info on the S-770/750. I'm also waiting for some more which I'll use later. Cheers, Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 23 08:24:50 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-13634>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:24:41 -0500 Received: from ravensgarage.com (askuse.ody.ca [216.240.7.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-13634>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:24:38 -0500 Received: from RAVENSGARAGE.COM by [192.168.1.3] with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for Mac 3.0.1); 23-Dec-2002 08:24:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:24:06 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Dr Raven To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Sunday, December 22, 2002, at 05:51 PM, Francois Rossi wrote: > In reply to many queries I've had. > > Yes, there will be some information about the other S-7xx samplers, > probably > in the form of 'differences with S-760'. However, the website is > dedicated > to the S-760, and so I intend to complete it before adding the info on > the > other models. > > Thanks to those who sent me some info on the S-770/750. I'm also > waiting for > some more which I'll use later. And on that note... I will try to scan up those documents for you tonight Francois. Andy Skuse -- Raven's Garage www.ravensgarage.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 23 09:22:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-13633>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:22:17 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-13633>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:22:11 -0500 Received: from [62.64.142.201] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18QTRn-000MY1-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:20:47 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup Important info on S-760 website Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:22:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks to Peter Ullrich, I now have a redirection service for the S-760 website that doesn't involve going through pop-up windows and advertising. The new URL for the S-760 website is either http://s760.us.tt or http://s760.uk.tt. Cheers, Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 23 10:13:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-13634>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:13:40 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([66.203.197.230]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-13634>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:13:30 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBNFDRc64431 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:13:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-13633>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:02:19 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust108.tnt10.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.120.108]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA29561 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:02:10 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3E05F70C.50503@cityweb.de> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:31:56 -0500 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? References: <200212101801.gBAI12681791@gc0.generalconcepts.com> <3DF7491C.9090803@cityweb.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ingo Debus wrote: > John Sellens wrote: > >> | > Feel like sharing/swapping those Philicorda samples ? >> | | Well, why not? Since the samples are short, these may fit on a few >> | floppy disks (haven't tried that though). Can anyone host the disk | >> image files? Martin? >> >> I can (easily) on the sgroup web site. >> >> Drop me a line, or just send me disk images. > > > Thanks! This will perhaps take a few days, I'll have to create the disks > and disk images first. It took a little longer, I created some partials with layered samples and squeezed the basic sounds onto one disk. Anyway I just sent them to John. To make you all curious, here's a short description of the organ and the samples: What is a Philicorda? The Philicorda is a small home organ (one manual, four octaves, three footages) which was popular in the sixties. There were earlier models with tubes, however the one I took the samples from is all transistor. On the front panel there are three footage switches, 8', 4' and 2', and five "Vox" filter switches, labelled Vox I ... Vox V. The mix of the three footages set by the footage switches is fed into the Vox filters Vox I, Vox II, Vox IV and Vox V. Vox III is always fed by the 2' footage, regardless of the footage switches setting (even if all three are off). The Philcorda also has vibrato and contains a spring reverb. Vibrato and reverb intensity can be set with front panel knobs. The manual can be split so that the lower part has an "automatic chord" feature. Which samples are on the disk? On this disk are mostly dry samples, no vibrato (this can easily be done with the S-760's LFO), no automatic chords. I've added a few samples with reverb turned on. I only sampled the organ with one footage and one Vox filter on. I sampled it with one sample per octave over a five octaves range. To get the fifth octave, I used the 2' footage instead of the 8' footage which was used for the other octaves. The sound of more than one footage or/and more than one Vox can be obtained by layering samples. On the disk are some partials and patches with layered footages and one Vox filter. Of course way more layering options are possible, even those that cannot be done on the Philicorda itself. Thanks to John for hosting the samples. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 23 10:46:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-13633>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:46:46 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([66.203.197.230]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-13634>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:46:36 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBNFkOU66802; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:46:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:46:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200212231546.gBNFkOU66802@gc0.generalconcepts.com> From: John Sellens To: debus@cityweb.de, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk | It took a little longer, I created some partials with layered samples | and squeezed the basic sounds onto one disk. Anyway I just sent them | to John. And the .zip file is now the sgroup web site in http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/ingo_debus/ Thanks! Cheers! John sgroup guy jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 23 19:02:47 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-13634>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:02:40 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl (net90s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-13634>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:02:29 -0500 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.40]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:04:37 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c2aae1$40dd3e80$28f14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <200212231546.gBNFkOU66802@gc0.generalconcepts.com> Subject: Re: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Thanks Ingo & John ! This is fun. I have no idea where the computer (from which I'm downloading the Phili-sounds right now) is physically located and where Ingo's Philicorda actually is, but without doubt those Philicorda sounds have been on a very big trip around the world. I mean, this is Eindhoven, the Netherlands here, hometown of Philips. Tonight those sounds returned :-) (I'm not sure if they were produced here though, might have been Austria for a while...) I had a quick listen to the Phili.out-file (I have S-330/-550, not a S-7X0) with Awave. Some samples seem to be garbled (for instance the first & third reverb-sample), but that might of course be because of my way of auditioning these sounds. Anyone else had problems ? (I'm suspecting Awave). Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: John Sellens To: ; Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? > | It took a little longer, I created some partials with layered samples > | and squeezed the basic sounds onto one disk. Anyway I just sent them > | to John. > > And the .zip file is now the sgroup web site in > > http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/ingo_debus/ > > Thanks! Cheers! > > John > sgroup guy > jsellens@generalconcepts.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 24 18:57:16 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-16036>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:57:10 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-16036>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:57:03 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Qyut-0003jX-0Z for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 23:56:56 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup S760 website - Merry Xmas Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:57:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Last change to the S-760 website before stuffing myself full, I've updated the 'tips' section (s760.us.tt) with a 'test mode' subsection. You'll find there the full description on how to run the test mode and an image of the 'test' floppy you need to do so. Merry Xmas everyone, Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Dec 25 10:52:58 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-7026>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:52:53 -0500 Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-7026>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:52:38 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust200.tnt5.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.32.200]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id QAA17950 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:52:34 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3E09D111.1070304@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:38:57 -0500 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Philicorda - Re: sgroup What have you been doing with your sampler lately? References: <200212231546.gBNFkOU66802@gc0.generalconcepts.com> <002201c2aae1$40dd3e80$28f14bd5@ptr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk P. Vermeeren wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks Ingo & John ! > > This is fun. I have no idea where the computer (from which > I'm downloading the Phili-sounds right now) is physically located and where > Ingo's Philicorda actually is It isn't mine. I fixed it for a friend, and while it was here I took some samples. Actually I sampled much more, for instance the "automatic" chords. But this is so much stuff, it's impossible to share it via floppy disk image files. I also tried and ran the organ through a distortion. This sounds very interesting, resembles the legendary "Canterbury" sound, think Soft Machine or Caravan. > I had a quick listen to the Phili.out-file (I have S-330/-550, not a S-7X0) > with Awave. > Some samples seem to be garbled (for instance the first & third > reverb-sample), but that might of course be because of my way of auditioning > these sounds. Anyone else had problems ? (I'm suspecting Awave). I just tried a floppy disk I made from the disk image file. The samples are fine here. The reverb samples are in Fwd+R mode, perhaps Awave doesn't handle this properly? Are you able to convert them to S-330/550? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Dec 27 20:51:02 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-18287>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:50:55 -0500 Received: from siaab1aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18287>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:50:44 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaab1aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.18) id UAA23191 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:50:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:50:20 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup zzounds disks To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200212272050_MC3-1-2199-34F9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Roland C50CD01 S-Series CD-ROM Samples Only $49.95 -- Save 90% -- More than $445 Off! http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD01&a=3Dem122702a66 Roland C50CD02 S-Series Club 50 CD-ROM Samples Only $49.95 -- Save 92% -- More than $595 Off! http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD02&a=3Dem122702a67 Roland DS60711 Northstar Drumscape CD-ROM Samples Only $39.95 -- Save 92% -- More than $485 Off! http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCDDS60711&a=3Dem122702a70 Roland LCDX01 Rhythm Section Instruments Sample Disc (FRS) Only $79.95 -- Save 59% -- More than $115 Off! http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX01NFS&a=3Dem122702a78 Roland LCDX02 Keyboard Instruments Sample Disc (FRS) Only $79.95 -- Save 59% -- More than $115 Off! http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX02NFS&a=3Dem122702a79 Roland LCDX03 Brass and Woodwinds Sample Disc (2 Disc Set) ((FRS) Only $79.95 -- Save 73% -- More than $215 Off! http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX03NFS&a=3Dem122702a80 Roland LCDX04 Strings and Orchestral Persussion Sample Disc (2 Disc Set) = (FRS) Only $79.95 -- Save 73% -- More than $215 Off! http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX04NFS&a=3Dem122702a81 |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 28 14:11:17 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16522>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:11:10 -0500 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16522>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:10:59 -0500 Received: from user-uinj2g3.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.138.3] helo=mindspring.com) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18SMMG-0001JI-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:10:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0DF767.1030809@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:11:35 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup zzounds disks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk OK, it's obvious what the LCD Roland CD are. Drumscape and Club 50 I guess are CDs many people are familiar with although I thouight Club 50 was way out of stock everywhere (Harold just reviewed the Club 50 CD - did you say it was worth $50, Harold?). So what's the C50CD01 S-Series CD-ROM? I've got two of the four CD sets covered in each of the orchestral CD sets. I'm wondering if it's worth $80 to get the complete sets. Anyone have the Northstar Drumscape CD and want to comment on whether or not it's worth $40? I found their site and sent an email asking for the Drumscapes demo to be emailed to me. I just got it today - it's not that bad but you can't always judge the CD from the demo. Jesse dennis barton wrote: >Roland C50CD01 S-Series CD-ROM Samples >Only $49.95 -- Save 90% -- More than $445 Off! >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD01&a=em122702a66 > >Roland C50CD02 S-Series Club 50 CD-ROM Samples >Only $49.95 -- Save 92% -- More than $595 Off! >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD02&a=em122702a67 > >Roland DS60711 Northstar Drumscape CD-ROM Samples >Only $39.95 -- Save 92% -- More than $485 Off! >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCDDS60711&a=em122702a70 > >Roland LCDX01 Rhythm Section Instruments Sample Disc (FRS) >Only $79.95 -- Save 59% -- More than $115 Off! >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLLCDX01NFS&a=em122702a78 > >Roland LCDX02 Keyboard Instruments Sample Disc (FRS) >Only $79.95 -- Save 59% -- More than $115 Off! >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLLCDX02NFS&a=em122702a79 > >Roland LCDX03 Brass and Woodwinds Sample Disc (2 Disc Set) ((FRS) >Only $79.95 -- Save 73% -- More than $215 Off! >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLLCDX03NFS&a=em122702a80 > >Roland LCDX04 Strings and Orchestral Persussion Sample Disc (2 Disc Set) (FRS) >Only $79.95 -- Save 73% -- More than $215 Off! >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLLCDX04NFS&a=em122702a81 > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 28 23:46:49 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16522>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:46:43 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16522>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:46:27 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.186.125]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021229044624.NVQY20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:46:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c2aef4$d14e0640$7dba580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <3E0DF767.1030809@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup zzounds disks Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:43:21 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AECA.E7E0EE60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AECA.E7E0EE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Jesse, You are with no doubt the man! I want to thank you for bringing us this = information. The Northstar Drumscape CD is pretty good actually, even = for a 1994 CD. There are demos of the drum kits of this CD on your = Roland Preview CD ROM. There are two "CMB" kits which contain playable = multisampled kits along with some drum loops. There are something like = 35 kits on the CD. Of the ones that I previewed on the Preview CD-ROM, = many of them had pre-programmed reverb (a turn off, but staple of mid = 90s productions). Also, a lot of the genre indicators (which change over = time) are stereotypical and generic. As an example - What's a hip-hop drum kit? What's a country drum kit. = Since today, so many different kits are used across genres, it's hard to = label things. More importantly, what was used for something in the mid = 90s, may be used for something totally different now. As an example, I = wouldn't use any of the funk and R&B kits on the Roland Rhythm Section = CD for Funk and R&B today. I definitely wouldn't pay the $475 for the drumscape CD, but I would pay = $49.95. There's nothing wrong there at all. I might just check out ZZ = Sounds page to see what else they're selling in Roland format. Thanks Jesse, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: sgroup zzounds disks >=20 >=20 > OK, it's obvious what the LCD Roland CD are. Drumscape and Club 50 I=20 > guess are CDs many people are familiar with although I thouight Club = 50=20 > was way out of stock everywhere (Harold just reviewed the Club 50 CD - = > did you say it was worth $50, Harold?). So what's the C50CD01 = S-Series=20 > CD-ROM? >=20 > I've got two of the four CD sets covered in each of the orchestral CD=20 > sets. I'm wondering if it's worth $80 to get the complete sets. >=20 > Anyone have the Northstar Drumscape CD and want to comment on whether = or not it's=20 > worth $40? I found their site and sent an email asking for the = Drumscapes demo to be emailed to me. I just got it today - it's not = that bad but you can't always judge the CD from the demo. >=20 > Jesse >=20 > dennis barton wrote: >=20 > >Roland C50CD01 S-Series CD-ROM Samples > >Only $49.95 -- Save 90% -- More than $445 Off! > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD01&a=3Dem122702a66 > > > >Roland C50CD02 S-Series Club 50 CD-ROM Samples > >Only $49.95 -- Save 92% -- More than $595 Off! > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD02&a=3Dem122702a67 > > > >Roland DS60711 Northstar Drumscape CD-ROM Samples > >Only $39.95 -- Save 92% -- More than $485 Off! > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCDDS60711&a=3Dem122702a70 > > > >Roland LCDX01 Rhythm Section Instruments Sample Disc (FRS) > >Only $79.95 -- Save 59% -- More than $115 Off! > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX01NFS&a=3Dem122702a78 > > > >Roland LCDX02 Keyboard Instruments Sample Disc (FRS) > >Only $79.95 -- Save 59% -- More than $115 Off! > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX02NFS&a=3Dem122702a79 > > > >Roland LCDX03 Brass and Woodwinds Sample Disc (2 Disc Set) ((FRS) > >Only $79.95 -- Save 73% -- More than $215 Off! > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX03NFS&a=3Dem122702a80 > > > >Roland LCDX04 Strings and Orchestral Persussion Sample Disc (2 Disc = Set) (FRS) > >Only $79.95 -- Save 73% -- More than $215 Off! > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX04NFS&a=3Dem122702a81 > > > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton=20 > > ) skylab2000 > > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > / http://skylab2000.com > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > =20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AECA.E7E0EE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Jesse,
 
You are with no doubt the man! I want = to thank you=20 for bringing us this information. The Northstar Drumscape CD is pretty = good=20 actually, even for a 1994 CD. There are demos of the drum kits of this = CD on=20 your Roland Preview CD ROM. There are two "CMB" kits which contain = playable=20 multisampled kits along with some drum loops. There are something like = 35 kits=20 on the CD. Of the ones that I previewed on the Preview CD-ROM, many of = them had=20 pre-programmed reverb (a turn off, but staple of mid 90s productions). = Also, a=20 lot of the genre indicators (which change over time) are stereotypical = and=20 generic.
 
As an example - What's a hip-hop drum = kit? What's a=20 country drum kit. Since today, so many different kits are used across = genres,=20 it's hard to label things. More importantly, what was used for something = in the=20 mid 90s, may be used for something totally different now. As an example, = I=20 wouldn't use any of the funk and R&B kits on the Roland Rhythm = Section CD=20 for Funk and R&B today.
 
I definitely wouldn't pay the $475 for = the=20 drumscape CD, but I would pay $49.95. There's nothing wrong there at = all. I=20 might just check out ZZ Sounds page to see what else they're selling in = Roland=20 format.
 
Thanks Jesse,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Segovia <jsegovia@mindspring.com>
To: sgroup <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: sgroup zzounds=20 disks

>
>
> OK, = it's obvious=20 what the LCD Roland CD are.  Drumscape and Club 50 I
> guess = are CDs=20 many people are familiar with although I thouight Club 50
> was = way out=20 of stock everywhere (Harold just reviewed the Club 50 CD -
> did = you say=20 it was worth $50, Harold?).  So what's the C50CD01 S-Series =
>=20 CD-ROM?
>
> I've got two of the four CD sets covered in = each of the=20 orchestral CD
> sets.  I'm wondering if it's worth $80 to = get the=20 complete sets.
>
> Anyone have the Northstar Drumscape CD = and want=20 to comment on whether or not it's
> worth $40?  I found = their site=20 and sent an email asking for the Drumscapes demo to be emailed to = me.  I=20 just got it today - it's not that bad but you can't always judge the CD = from the=20 demo.
>
> Jesse
>
> dennis barton = wrote:
>=20
> >Roland C50CD01 S-Series CD-ROM Samples
> >Only = $49.95 --=20 Save 90% -- More than $445 Off!
> >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD01&a=3Dem122= 702a66
>=20 >
> >Roland C50CD02 S-Series Club 50 CD-ROM Samples
> = >Only=20 $49.95 -- Save 92% -- More than $595 Off!
> >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD02&a=3Dem122= 702a67
>=20 >
> >Roland DS60711 Northstar Drumscape CD-ROM = Samples
>=20 >Only $39.95 -- Save 92% -- More than $485 Off!
> >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCDDS60711&a=3Dem1= 22702a70
>=20 >
> >Roland LCDX01 Rhythm Section Instruments Sample Disc=20 (FRS)
> >Only $79.95 -- Save 59% -- More than $115 Off!
> = >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX01NFS&a=3Dem1= 22702a78
>=20 >
> >Roland LCDX02 Keyboard Instruments Sample Disc = (FRS)
>=20 >Only $79.95 -- Save 59% -- More than $115 Off!
> >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX02NFS&a=3Dem1= 22702a79
>=20 >
> >Roland LCDX03 Brass and Woodwinds Sample Disc (2 Disc = Set)=20 ((FRS)
> >Only $79.95 -- Save 73% -- More than $215 = Off!
> >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX03NFS&a=3Dem1= 22702a80
>=20 >
> >Roland LCDX04 Strings and Orchestral Persussion Sample = Disc (2=20 Disc Set) (FRS)
> >Only $79.95 -- Save 73% -- More than $215=20 Off!
> >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLLCDX04NFS&a=3Dem1= 22702a81
>=20 >
> >   |_e_/~  Dennis Barton
>=20 >     )     = skylab2000
>=20 >   ~\/\    Brainforest Productions, Los=20 Angeles
> >      /    = http://skylab2000.com
> = >
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> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2AECA.E7E0EE60-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Dec 28 23:50:47 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16522>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:50:39 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16522>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:50:32 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.186.125]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021229045024.RUBF12483.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:50:24 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c2aef5$605e2b80$7dba580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <3E0DF767.1030809@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup zzounds disks Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:47:21 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2AECB.7701DC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2AECB.7701DC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoa! I'm an idiot! I didn't catch the "02" at the end of the Club 50 series! = There's a second CD? That's really weird. I only knew of one for the = S550 and one for the S760. However, it should be assumed that they are = both for the S760. I was never aware of a second Club 50 CD. We need = more info on this. Do you think it'd be worth emailing ZZSounds? Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2AECB.7701DC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Whoa!
 
I'm an idiot! I didn't catch the "02" = at the end of=20 the Club 50 series! There's a second CD? That's really weird. I only = knew of one=20 for the S550 and one for the S760. However, it should be assumed that = they are=20 both for the S760. I was never aware of a second Club 50 CD. We need = more info=20 on this. Do you think it'd be worth emailing ZZSounds?
 
Later,
Harold
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From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 29 15:44:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-2938>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:43:53 -0500 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-2938>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:43:42 -0500 Received: from user-uinj2fa.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.137.234] helo=mindspring.com) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18SkHW-0006YK-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:43:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0F5EA9.2060503@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:44:25 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup zzounds disks References: <3E0DF767.1030809@mindspring.com> <000e01c2aef4$d14e0640$7dba580c@epu1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Actually, it was Dennis Barton who posted this to the group, so thanks to him. Did anyone get any of the Back in Time Records sample CDs I mentioned to the group? That Universe of Korg CD is really impressive. And yeah, you're exactly right - I remember now that the two very nice drum kits (plus some fills and loops for each kit) are from the Drumscapes CD. I received the Drumscapes demo mp3 in email and it's pretty good. 'Sounds like it's worth the $39 they're asking for it. I just don't know if I need any more drum samples. And in your opinion is the Club 50 CD worth $49? I think I'll give Zzounds a phone call tomorrow to check this out but assuming this is the same Club 50 sample CD you have, is it worth it? Santa (me) got me a very nice Christmas present this year - a Rode NTK microphone!!! Jesse Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > Hey Jesse, > > You are with no doubt the man! I want to thank you for bringing us > this information. The Northstar Drumscape CD is pretty good actually, > even for a 1994 CD. There are demos of the drum kits of this CD on > your Roland Preview CD ROM. There are two "CMB" kits which contain > playable multisampled kits along with some drum loops. There are > something like 35 kits on the CD. Of the ones that I previewed on the > Preview CD-ROM, many of them had pre-programmed reverb (a turn off, > but staple of mid 90s productions). Also, a lot of the genre > indicators (which change over time) are stereotypical and generic. > > As an example - What's a hip-hop drum kit? What's a country drum kit. > Since today, so many different kits are used across genres, it's hard > to label things. More importantly, what was used for something in the > mid 90s, may be used for something totally different now. As an > example, I wouldn't use any of the funk and R&B kits on the Roland > Rhythm Section CD for Funk and R&B today. > > I definitely wouldn't pay the $475 for the drumscape CD, but I would > pay $49.95. There's nothing wrong there at all. I might just check out > ZZ Sounds page to see what else they're selling in Roland format. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 29 20:59:08 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-2938>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:59:00 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-2938>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:58:56 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.83.86]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021230015854.FATE12483.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:58:54 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c2afa6$936cacc0$5653580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Sample CDs Part VII Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:55:48 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2AF7C.A9DE0320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2AF7C.A9DE0320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Club 50 Vol. 1 & Vol. 2, Is it worth it? You bet. now that I look back on my review, I think I = was a little bit too harsh with the guitars. After sitting down with the = CD for a couple of weeks now, I think the guitars (with the exception of = the stratocaster) are great! The problem is selection. There's always a = sound you're after, you know? For 1992, the sounds are way ahead of = their time. The "Paul Clean" guitars sound frighteningly realistic if = played right. The Nylon and Steel samples (some of them) aren't that = memory hungry (2-16MB) and sound superb. You get the sound of pulling = back strings and resonance, but don't look for pick and scraping sounds. The brass and woodwinds don't have much selection and don't sound great = at all. Get the Roland orchestral or Prosonus CDs if you want stuff = here.=20 I don't think the Club 50 Vol. 2 CD is the same as the List Price for it = is much higher than that of the one I have. The manual and CD side = indicates it as being CDCDF01, probably implying that at the time of its = introduction, another one was planned. I think Roland might have picked = it up and sold for a while after either Club 50 stopped distributing it = or went out of business. There isn't too much info on this on the = internet. Perhaps there is another S760 formatted Club 50 that's a = continuation or a set of better sampled sounds. Is the Club 50 Vol. 1 (considering that this is what I have) worth $49? = Absolutely! This Library contains many useful sounds. I would call it a = synth (as if you went out and bought "another" keyboard") in itself. The = Northstar CD is definitely worth the $39. I'm going to send out money = orders this week. I also sent ZZSounds an email asking them what the = difference was between the two Club 50 CDs. At $79.95, the entire LCDX series is a steal. I may save up and get the = Keyboards of the 60s and 70s CD eventually (provided they last). Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C2AF7C.A9DE0320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Club 50 Vol. 1 & Vol. = 2,
 
Is it worth it? You bet. now that I = look back on my=20 review, I think I was a little bit too harsh with the guitars. After = sitting=20 down with the CD for a couple of weeks now, I think the guitars (with = the=20 exception of the stratocaster) are great! The problem is selection. = There's=20 always a sound you're after, you know? For 1992, the sounds are way = ahead of=20 their time. The "Paul Clean" guitars sound frighteningly realistic if = played=20 right. The Nylon and Steel samples (some of them) aren't that memory = hungry=20 (2-16MB) and sound superb. You get the sound of pulling back strings and = resonance, but don't look for pick and scraping sounds.
 
The brass and woodwinds don't have much = selection=20 and don't sound great at all. Get the Roland orchestral or Prosonus CDs = if you=20 want stuff here.
 
I don't think the Club 50 Vol. 2 CD is = the same as=20 the List Price for it is much higher than that of the = one I=20 have. The manual and CD side indicates it as being CDCDF01, probably = implying=20 that at the time of its introduction, another one was planned. I think = Roland=20 might have picked it up and sold for a while after either Club 50 = stopped=20 distributing it or went out of business. There isn't too much info on = this on=20 the internet. Perhaps there is another S760 formatted Club 50 that's a=20 continuation or a set of better sampled sounds.
 
Is the Club 50 Vol. 1 (considering that = this is=20 what I have) worth $49? Absolutely! This Library contains many useful = sounds. I=20 would call it a synth (as if you went out and bought "another" = keyboard") in=20 itself. The Northstar CD is definitely worth the $39. I'm going to send = out=20 money orders this week. I also sent ZZSounds an email asking them what = the=20 difference was between the two Club 50 CDs.
 
At $79.95, the entire LCDX series is a = steal. I may=20 save up and get the Keyboards of the 60s and 70s CD eventually (provided = they=20 last).
 
Later,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Sun Dec 29 23:13:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-2939>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:12:59 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe3335383137303533.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-2938>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:12:49 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBU4CgS18066 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:12:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com ([144.135.25.138]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-2939>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:18:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.7] ([144.135.25.78]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H7VDLY00.4EJ for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:17:58 +1000 Received: from CPE-203-51-72-93.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([203.51.72.93]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 98/6838032); 29 Dec 2002 17:17:58 Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:17:59 -0500 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: Sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 website Message-ID: <266492916.1041185879@[192.168.0.7]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Francois Rossi wrote: > The website I'm doing on the S-760 is far from being completed but it has > reached beta stage. I am giving the URL only to the Sgroup as I don't > consider it 'live' yet. So please don't circulate this info outside the > group. I concur with the comments others have made about this site. I have just a minor piece of feedback on the SCSI information, however. It states that "Some audio applications support file transfers to the S-760 over SMDI". As far as I am aware, the SMDI standard was developed after the S-760 came out, and I believe it doesn't support this standard. But, if anyone has tried it and confirmed this works, then let us know. Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 30 00:30:08 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20672>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:29:59 -0500 Received: from siaag1af.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20672>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:29:53 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1af.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.18) id AAA02881 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:29:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:29:23 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup S-760 website To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200212300029_MC3-1-2205-36AC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >states that "Some audio applications support file transfers to the S-76= 0 >over SMDI". As far as I am aware, the SMDI standard was developed after= the >S-760 came out, and I believe it doesn't support Wavelab supports SMDI with the s760. And it works. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 30 11:05:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20672>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:05:44 -0500 Received: from randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.237]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20671>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:05:34 -0500 Received: from smui03.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.22]) by randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18T2Ps-0001PG-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:05:24 -0500 Received: by smui03.slb.mindspring.net id LAA0000010615; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:05:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:05:23 -0500 From: To: sgroup Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup zzounds disks Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.192.133.18 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > I don't think the Club 50 Vol. 2 CD is the same as the List Price for it is much higher than that of the one I have. The manual and CD side indicates it as being CDCDF01 < I'm wondering if these two CDs, C50CD01 & C50CD02, are maybe S-550 formatted sample CDs. I know Club 50 made one sample CD for the S-550; I've got it (in floppy disks, unfortunately). I wonder if they made another one or if maybe one of these is the Universe of Sounds or Outrigger sample CDs, also for the S-550. I called Zzounds; the guy on the phone didn't know anything about them but the good news is they have tons in stock - 39 of one and 52 of the other. I called Roland but they're closed until Thursday. I'll call back then and see if they know anything about it. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 30 14:12:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-20671>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:12:15 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20672>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:12:00 -0500 Received: from frossi.demon.co.uk ([212.228.108.51] helo=pulsar450) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18T5KO-000KuZ-0V; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:11:57 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Cc: "Bernie Maier" Subject: RE: sgroup S-760 website Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:12:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200212300029_MC3-1-2205-36AC@compuserve.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Wavelab supports SMDI with the s760. > And it works. > Dennis Barton Tested and Samplifier on the Mac also works with the S-760 via SMDI. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 30 15:58:45 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20671>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:58:40 -0500 Received: from prd-kc-smtp02.ameritrade.com (mailout.ameritrade.com [199.200.9.141]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20671>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:58:29 -0500 Received: from ksc-dc-ims2.ameritrade.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prd-kc-smtp02.ameritrade.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id gBUKwMB15699 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:58:22 -0600 (CST) Received: by ksc-dc-ims2.ameritrade.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:58:22 -0600 Message-ID: <87B36B3D70FBD3118C0BAA0000111504068DF178@dfw-17-exch1.ameritrade.com> From: "Cox, Steven" To: "'sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca'" Subject: sgroup EF-303 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:58:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi all... This isn't a sampler, but a friend asked if I could locate a manual for him. Does anyone know where I might find a scan or pdf of the manual. It's the Roland EF-303 effects processor. Thanks, Steven Cox (W30) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 30 17:32:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20672>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:32:11 -0500 Received: from mercury.is.co.za ([196.4.160.222]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20671>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:32:01 -0500 Received: from [196.33.245.194] (c8-rba-194.dial-up.net [196.33.245.194]) by mercury.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59FAB7FB9 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:31:38 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <87B36B3D70FBD3118C0BAA0000111504068DF178@dfw-17-exch1.ameritrade.com> References: <87B36B3D70FBD3118C0BAA0000111504068DF178@dfw-17-exch1.ameritrade.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:31:32 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup EF-303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >This isn't a sampler, but a friend asked if I could locate a manual for him. > >Does anyone know where I might find a scan or pdf of the manual. > >It's the Roland EF-303 effects processor. > >Thanks, >Steven Cox (W30) Here's a link to try: http://www.markglinsky.com/ManualManor.html They might have it........ Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Dec 30 17:38:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20672>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:38:26 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20672>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:38:23 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id gBUMcGo86165 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp.estaminas.com.br ([200.188.191.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20671>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:44:20 -0500 Received: from estaminas (dial-tm-mp-200-149-117-169.estaminas.com.br [200.149.117.169]) by smtp.estaminas.com.br (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id gBULktm24088 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:46:55 -0200 Message-ID: <000801c2b04c$ee8b39e0$a97595c8@estaminas.com.br> From: "Gilson V.E.Pitta" To: Subject: sgroup s50 system disk Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:46:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B03C.27EF0F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B03C.27EF0F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello Sgroup! some time ago a friend gave me a S50, but he didn=B4t used = it for a long time, so he doesn=B4t have the system disk anymore. I=B4m = trying to find it in the web, but all the paths takes me to the roland = USA homepage, but the OS is not available for download anymore. I found = the sdisk in the general concepts, but the OS is for macintosh. Someone = please send me a s50 OS or give me a solution for it. Sorry my poor = English!!!!! Fabricio Matos - Brazil ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B03C.27EF0F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello Sgroup! some time ago a friend gave me a S50, = but he=20 didn=B4t used it for a long time, so he doesn=B4t have the system disk = anymore. I=B4m=20 trying to find it in the web, but all the paths takes me to the = roland USA=20 homepage, but the OS is not available for download anymore. I = found the=20 sdisk in the general concepts, but the OS is for macintosh. Someone = please send=20 me a s50 OS or give me a solution for it. Sorry my poor=20 English!!!!!
 
Fabricio Matos - Brazil
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2B03C.27EF0F60-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 31 10:21:27 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24501>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:21:18 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24501>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:21:08 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.80.68]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021231152057.NJGN12483.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:20:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2b0df$c7ca1360$4450580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Sample CDs VII Continued Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:17:48 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B0B5.DE2C2780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B0B5.DE2C2780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Seriously though, these closeouts, and experiments with demos from other = CDs (such as the Roland preview CD) makes me want to stock up and build = a serious library. My Roland XP60 is great, but the realism with even = just a 32MB sampler like ours is unmatched. That drumscapes CD will be = at my door in about a week and a half. The prosonus strings collection = also looks like a great investment. The strings on there are light years = ahead of the ones on the Roland strings collection (even though those = are quite good too). I also plan on getting my own copy of the Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass CD = (I've been messing around with a friends to see what it was all about). = Man, somewhere down the line, I'm going to have to invest in a decent = effects processor (I'm looking at the Lexicon MPX500) to turn my Roland = S760 into a powerhouse synth/sampler. Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B0B5.DE2C2780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,
 
Seriously though, these closeouts, and = experiments=20 with demos from other CDs (such as the Roland preview CD) makes me want = to stock=20 up and build a serious library. My Roland XP60 is great, but the realism = with=20 even just a 32MB sampler like ours is unmatched. That drumscapes CD will = be at=20 my door in about a week and a half. The prosonus strings collection also = looks=20 like a great investment. The strings on there are light years ahead of = the ones=20 on the Roland strings collection (even though those are quite good=20 too).
 
I also plan on getting my own copy of = the Quantum=20 Leap Guitar & Bass CD (I've been messing around with a friends to = see what=20 it was all about). Man, somewhere down the line, I'm going to have to = invest in=20 a decent effects processor (I'm looking at the Lexicon MPX500) to turn = my Roland=20 S760 into a powerhouse synth/sampler.
 
Later,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 31 17:09:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24501>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:09:15 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24501>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:09:00 -0500 Received: from user-uinj2cn.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.137.151] helo=mindspring.com) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TUZD-0003D9-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:08:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3E1215AD.4050409@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:09:49 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Sample CDs VII Continued References: <000a01c2b0df$c7ca1360$4450580c@epu1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > Seriously though, these closeouts, and experiments with demos from > other CDs (such as the Roland preview CD) makes me want to stock up > and build a serious library. My Roland XP60 is great, but the realism > with even just a 32MB sampler like ours is unmatched. That drumscapes > CD will be at my door in about a week and a half. The prosonus strings > collection also looks like a great investment. The strings on there > are light years ahead of the ones on the Roland strings collection > (even though those are quite good too). Let us know how the whole Drumscapes CD sounds. The two kits on the Roland Preview CD sound excellent - I wonder if all the kits are that good. I was going to buy those two Club 50 CDs but Zzounds says they won't accept returns, even if they aren't opened (does this make sense?). I'm afraid of buying them just to find out it's the CDs for the S-550 or something else completely useless. > I also plan on getting my own copy of the Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass > CD (I've been messing around with a friends to see what it was all > about). Man, somewhere down the line, I'm going to have to invest in a > decent effects processor (I'm looking at the Lexicon MPX500) to turn > my Roland S760 into a powerhouse synth/sampler. What FX unit do you have now? I've got a few things left over from the 80s I like a lot, plus my DAW has effects built in. The problem is putting in the time to learn all of these units to get the best out of them. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 31 17:32:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24500>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:32:48 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24500>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:32:38 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.97.157]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021231223233.CBAV9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:32:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2b11c$11cc5680$9d61580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <000a01c2b0df$c7ca1360$4450580c@epu1> <3E1215AD.4050409@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Sample CDs VII Continued Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:27:52 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2B0F1.F2BEE980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2B0F1.F2BEE980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Jesse, I have a Roland VS840 which has some great killer effects. The thing is = however, it's a stereo processor which I'd like to keep reserved for = vocal and live instrumentation. I only have 8 tracks to work with, so = I'd prefer to have a separate effects unit take care of my MIDI stuff. = I'd need an effects unit that can do at least four effects at once. The = Lexicon MPX500 and Yamaha REV500 look like great contenders in my price = range. <$599.=20 I'll keep you all posted with the Drumscapes CD. My quest is to get that = perfect guitar CD. You guys should re-check those Prosonus samples on = your preview CD. They're top notch. One just went on eBay for around = $120. The cello included on the preview CD is one of the best I've heard = - Then again, I'm used to the quality of keyboard ROMs anyway. Later, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Sample CDs VII Continued > Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >=20 > > Seriously though, these closeouts, and experiments with demos from=20 > > other CDs (such as the Roland preview CD) makes me want to stock up=20 > > and build a serious library. My Roland XP60 is great, but the = realism=20 > > with even just a 32MB sampler like ours is unmatched. That = drumscapes=20 > > CD will be at my door in about a week and a half. The prosonus = strings=20 > > collection also looks like a great investment. The strings on there=20 > > are light years ahead of the ones on the Roland strings collection=20 > > (even though those are quite good too). >=20 > Let us know how the whole Drumscapes CD sounds. The two kits on the=20 > Roland Preview CD sound excellent - I wonder if all the kits are that = good. >=20 > I was going to buy those two Club 50 CDs but Zzounds says they won't=20 > accept returns, even if they aren't opened (does this make sense?). = I'm=20 > afraid of buying them just to find out it's the CDs for the S-550 or=20 > something else completely useless. >=20 > > I also plan on getting my own copy of the Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass = > > CD (I've been messing around with a friends to see what it was all=20 > > about). Man, somewhere down the line, I'm going to have to invest in = a=20 > > decent effects processor (I'm looking at the Lexicon MPX500) to turn = > > my Roland S760 into a powerhouse synth/sampler. >=20 > What FX unit do you have now? I've got a few things left over from = the=20 > 80s I like a lot, plus my DAW has effects built in. The problem is=20 > putting in the time to learn all of these units to get the best out of = them. >=20 > Jesse >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2B0F1.F2BEE980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Jesse,
 
I have a Roland VS840 which has some = great killer=20 effects. The thing is however, it's a stereo processor which I'd like to = keep=20 reserved for vocal and live instrumentation. I only have 8 tracks to = work with,=20 so I'd prefer to have a separate effects unit take care of my MIDI = stuff. I'd=20 need an effects unit that can do at least four effects at once. The = Lexicon=20 MPX500 and Yamaha REV500 look like great contenders in my price range. = <$599.=20
 
I'll keep you all posted with the = Drumscapes CD. My=20 quest is to get that perfect guitar CD. You guys should re-check those = Prosonus=20 samples on your preview CD. They're top notch. One just went on eBay for = around=20 $120. The cello included on the preview CD is one of the best I've heard = - Then=20 again, I'm used to the quality of keyboard ROMs anyway.
 
Later,
Harold
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Segovia <jsegovia@mindspring.com>
To: sgroup <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 5:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: sgroup Sample CDs VII=20 Continued

> Harold Everton, Jr. = wrote:
>=20
> > Seriously though, these closeouts, and experiments with = demos from=20
> > other CDs (such as the Roland preview CD) makes me want to = stock=20 up
> > and build a serious library. My Roland XP60 is great, = but the=20 realism
> > with even just a 32MB sampler like ours is = unmatched. That=20 drumscapes
> > CD will be at my door in about a week and a = half. The=20 prosonus strings
> > collection also looks like a great = investment.=20 The strings on there
> > are light years ahead of the ones on = the=20 Roland strings collection
> > (even though those are quite = good=20 too).
>
> Let us know how the whole Drumscapes CD = sounds.  The=20 two kits on the
> Roland Preview CD sound excellent - I wonder if = all the=20 kits are that good.
>
> I was going to buy those two Club = 50 CDs=20 but Zzounds says they won't
> accept returns, even if they aren't = opened=20 (does this make sense?).  I'm
> afraid of buying them just = to find=20 out it's the CDs for the S-550 or
> something else completely=20 useless.
>
> > I also plan on getting my own copy of the = Quantum=20 Leap Guitar & Bass
> > CD (I've been messing around with a = friends=20 to see what it was all
> > about). Man, somewhere down the = line, I'm=20 going to have to invest in a
> > decent effects processor (I'm = looking=20 at the Lexicon MPX500) to turn
> > my Roland S760 into a = powerhouse=20 synth/sampler.
>
> What FX unit do you have now?  I've = got a=20 few things left over from the
> 80s I like a lot, plus my DAW has = effects=20 built in.  The problem is
> putting in the time to learn all = of=20 these units to get the best out of them.
>
> Jesse
> =
>=20
> -
> Sent by the sgroup mailing list on = lists.uunet.ca
> For=20 subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca
= > and=20 see http://www.generalconcept= s.com/sgroup/=20 for more information.
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2B0F1.F2BEE980-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 31 17:41:34 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24500>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:41:25 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24501>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:41:20 -0500 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.97.157]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20021231224116.SQEV20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:41:16 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2b11d$48c78b40$9d61580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Club 50 Users? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:38:04 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B0F3.5F38E1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B0F3.5F38E1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, We know there are some S-550 users here who own Club 50 CDs that are = useable with their units. What are the catalog numbers included on your = CDs? Are there two Club 50 CDs available for the S-500 series? The light = you all shed could lead us to find out whether the Club 50 CDs ZZ Sounds = are selling are S500 or S700 formatted. Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B0F3.5F38E1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
We know there are some S-550 users here = who own=20 Club 50 CDs that are useable with their units. What are the catalog = numbers=20 included on your CDs? Are there two Club 50 CDs available for the S-500 = series?=20 The light you all shed could lead us to find out whether the Club 50 CDs = ZZ=20 Sounds are selling are S500 or S700 formatted.
 
Later,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B0F3.5F38E1A0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 31 18:04:49 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24501>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:04:42 -0500 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.50]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24501>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:04:35 -0500 Received: from user-2ivf471.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.144.225] helo=opel) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TVQv-0000h2-00; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:04:25 -0800 From: "Edward Raison" To: "Gilson V.E.Pitta" , Subject: RE: sgroup s50 system disk Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:04:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B0F7.0D258A90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c2b04c$ee8b39e0$a97595c8@estaminas.com.br> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B0F7.0D258A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit S-50 floppy disks contain the OS as well as samples. So, you'll need to download one of the sample disk image .zip files from http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/Roland/S50/ and unzip it. Now you have an .out file. You can now use sdisk or floppy image to write the .out file to a floppy disk formatted for 768mb. If you use floppy image you'll need to change the file extension from .out to .img for it to recognize. The resulting disk will contain the OS and a set of sample banks--everything the s-50 needs to boot up and play. I have been unable to make readable disks for my s-50 from many of the image files on generalconcepts, and I'm not sure why--I guess maybe they are the corrupted ones mentioned in the text file. The one with the Depeche Mode-ish orchestra hits http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/Roland/S50/RSB-504/rsb _504_2.zip works every time though!!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Gilson V.E.Pitta Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:47 PM To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup s50 system disk hello Sgroup! some time ago a friend gave me a S50, but he didn´t used it for a long time, so he doesn´t have the system disk anymore. I´m trying to find it in the web, but all the paths takes me to the roland USA homepage, but the OS is not available for download anymore. I found the sdisk in the general concepts, but the OS is for macintosh. Someone please send me a s50 OS or give me a solution for it. Sorry my poor English!!!!! Fabricio Matos - Brazil ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B0F7.0D258A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
S-50 = floppy disks=20 contain the OS as well as samples.  So, you'll need to = download one of=20 the sample disk image .zip files from
http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/Roland/S50/
and = unzip it. =20 Now you have an .out file.  You can now use sdisk or floppy image = to write=20 the .out file to a floppy disk formatted for 768mb.  If you = use floppy=20 image you'll need to change the file extension from .out to .img for it = to=20 recognize.  The resulting disk will contain the OS and a set of = sample=20 banks--everything the s-50 needs to boot up and = play.
I have = been unable=20 to make readable disks for my s-50 from many of the image files on=20 generalconcepts, and I'm not sure why--I guess maybe they are the = corrupted ones=20 mentioned in the text file.  The one with the Depeche Mode-ish = orchestra=20 hits http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samp= les/Roland/S50/RSB-504/rsb_504_2.zip
works every time = though!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca=20 [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Gilson=20 V.E.Pitta
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:47 = PM
To:=20 sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca
Subject: sgroup s50 system=20 disk

hello Sgroup! some time ago a friend gave me a = S50, but he=20 didn=B4t used it for a long time, so he doesn=B4t have the system disk = anymore.=20 I=B4m trying to find it in the web, but all the paths takes me to = the=20 roland USA homepage, but the OS is not available for download = anymore.=20 I found the sdisk in the general concepts, but the OS is for = macintosh.=20 Someone please send me a s50 OS or give me a solution for it. Sorry my = poor=20 English!!!!!
 
Fabricio Matos -=20 Brazil
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C2B0F7.0D258A90-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Dec 31 20:05:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24500>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:04:57 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24500>; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:04:41 -0500 Received: from user-2initu3.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.119.195] helo=randyhoffix) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18TXJ8-0001RI-00; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:04:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c2b131$bab91200$c37779a5@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , References: <000a01c2b11d$48c78b40$9d61580c@epu1> Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 Users? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:03:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2B0EE.9A510060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2B0EE.9A510060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an S550 and the Club50 Master Performance Series Vol 1. C50CD01. = It is basically made for the S550 series because the CD reads on the = S550 and wouldn't if it wasea S770 disk. But the S7xx series could read = them by conversion, if they were made for the S550. On the back of the = CD, Club50 states that it is also for the S7xx series samplers, but I = they must mean by conversion.=20 Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: sgroup Club 50 Users? Hey All, We know there are some S-550 users here who own Club 50 CDs that are = useable with their units. What are the catalog numbers included on your = CDs? Are there two Club 50 CDs available for the S-500 series? The light = you all shed could lead us to find out whether the Club 50 CDs ZZ Sounds = are selling are S500 or S700 formatted. Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C2B0EE.9A510060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have an S550 and the Club50 Master Performance = Series Vol=20 1.  C50CD01.  It is basically made for the S550 series because = the CD=20 reads on the S550 and wouldn't if it wasea S770 disk.  But the S7xx = series=20 could read them by conversion, if they were made for the S550.  On = the back=20 of the CD, Club50 states that it is also for the S7xx series samplers, = but=20 I they must mean by conversion.
 
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, = 2002 2:38=20 PM
Subject: sgroup Club 50 = Users?

Hey All,
 
We know there are some S-550 users = here who own=20 Club 50 CDs that are useable with their units. What are the catalog = numbers=20 included on your CDs? Are there two Club 50 CDs available for the = S-500=20 series? The light you all shed could lead us to find out whether the = Club 50=20 CDs ZZ Sounds are selling are S500 or S700 formatted.
 
Later,
Harold
 
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