From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 00:18:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:18:14 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:18:09 -0400 Received: from maridia.blarg.net (vq122.atm01.sea.blarg.net [206.124.140.122]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B26B37F54 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020630211732.00bcf948@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:18:09 -0400 To: "Sampler Group" From: Ben Lincoln Subject: RE: sgroup LCDs In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020630185202.00bd38a0@mail.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk You should be able to, yes. I believe someone on this list mentioned doing something like that a LONG time ago =). At 08:55 PM 6/30/2002, Edward Raison wrote: >Another thing I have wondered about are those PCI TV tuner cards. Could you >get a composite to coaxial adapter, and then see the sampler video output in >a little window on the desktop of a computer? > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On >Behalf Of Ben Lincoln >Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:55 PM >To: Sampler Group >Subject: Re: sgroup LCDs > > >It would probably be easiest to get a blank rackmount panel that was big >enough >that you could cut an appropriately-sized hole in, then bolt the screen >into it and >mount it above your sampler in the rack. It's got a composite input, so you >could >just hook it to the RCA video output on the sampler. It would be black and >white, >but really I never noticed any benefits to colour when I was working with my >S-330. >If you have multiple samplers with the composite out, you could get fancy >and >bolt a video switchbox (or better yet, a KVM switch, assuming you can get >those >with composite connections) into the panel as well, and use it for all of >the >machines. > >At 06:46 PM 6/30/2002, Jesse Segovia wrote: > >Sorry, this is old but I just noticed this post. Has anyone actually > >used these things with an S-550 or 760? This will display all the > >sampler's video output for you? And how would you mount it with your > >gear? > > > >Does anyone have a picture of how it looks with a sampler? > > > >Jesse > > > >Edward Raison wrote: > > > > > > I've seen them at circuit city... but the best price I've seen is on >ebay; > > > there's always at least a few of these up there. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1356368394 > > > > > > just a basic lcd screen with a composite input. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:05 AM > > > To: Edward Raison; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > > > Subject: sgroup hello > > > > > > >make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" automotive >headrest > > > >lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the big, ancient > > > >monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic samplers? > > > --ed > > > > > > Where do you get these? My color monitor is way too big! > > > > > > Anyone see any low cost LCD stuff? > > > > > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > > > ) skylab2000 > > > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > > / http://skylab2000.com > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 03:33:38 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:33:31 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:33:20 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0EAD7.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.234.215]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25605 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:33:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g617Vi504960 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:31:44 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:31:44 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: Re: sgroup LCDs Message-ID: <20020701093144.E2795@martin.unix-net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020630185202.00bd38a0@mail.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, i'm using a TV Card. My Win TV has a Composite connector and a S-Video connector. But I'm using the S-Video input with an composite to s-video adapter. It look quiet better. The composite input is a little bit noisier. bye, Martin On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:55:56PM -0400, Edward Raison wrote: > Another thing I have wondered about are those PCI TV tuner cards. Could you > get a composite to coaxial adapter, and then see the sampler video output in > a little window on the desktop of a computer? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On > Behalf Of Ben Lincoln > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:55 PM > To: Sampler Group > Subject: Re: sgroup LCDs > > > It would probably be easiest to get a blank rackmount panel that was big > enough > that you could cut an appropriately-sized hole in, then bolt the screen > into it and > mount it above your sampler in the rack. It's got a composite input, so you > could > just hook it to the RCA video output on the sampler. It would be black and > white, > but really I never noticed any benefits to colour when I was working with my > S-330. > If you have multiple samplers with the composite out, you could get fancy > and > bolt a video switchbox (or better yet, a KVM switch, assuming you can get > those > with composite connections) into the panel as well, and use it for all of > the > machines. > > At 06:46 PM 6/30/2002, Jesse Segovia wrote: > >Sorry, this is old but I just noticed this post. Has anyone actually > >used these things with an S-550 or 760? This will display all the > >sampler's video output for you? And how would you mount it with your > >gear? > > > >Does anyone have a picture of how it looks with a sampler? > > > >Jesse > > > >Edward Raison wrote: > > > > > > I've seen them at circuit city... but the best price I've seen is on > ebay; > > > there's always at least a few of these up there. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1356368394 > > > > > > just a basic lcd screen with a composite input. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:05 AM > > > To: Edward Raison; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > > > Subject: sgroup hello > > > > > > >make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" automotive > headrest > > > >lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the big, ancient > > > >monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic samplers? > > > --ed > > > > > > Where do you get these? My color monitor is way too big! > > > > > > Anyone see any low cost LCD stuff? > > > > > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > > > ) skylab2000 > > > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > > / http://skylab2000.com > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 03:52:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:52:10 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f45.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.165.45]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:52:04 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:52:01 -0700 Received: from 209.179.136.59 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 07:52:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.179.136.59] From: "mr. cat" To: raison@email.unc.edu Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup LCDs & hello. Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:52:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 07:52:01.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ED98C80:01C220D4] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk edward and group, for about $50, you can get a composite to USB video capture device - that should do the trick. it allows you to watch, edit and save whatever comes in through the input - so then you could (business idea here) even show others how to perform certain tasks for cd-rom based tutorials. i have to admit, the LCD & video(or kvm)switcher in the rack panel is a genius idea. that is truly how i would go - might in the future. take care, kingcat ------------------------ >From: "Edward Raison" >To: "Sampler Group" >Subject: RE: sgroup LCDs >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:55:56 -0400 > >Another thing I have wondered about are those PCI TV tuner cards. Could >you >get a composite to coaxial adapter, and then see the sampler video output >in >a little window on the desktop of a computer? > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On >Behalf Of Ben Lincoln >Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:55 PM >To: Sampler Group >Subject: Re: sgroup LCDs > > >It would probably be easiest to get a blank rackmount panel that was big >enough >that you could cut an appropriately-sized hole in, then bolt the screen >into it and >mount it above your sampler in the rack. It's got a composite input, so you >could >just hook it to the RCA video output on the sampler. It would be black and >white, >but really I never noticed any benefits to colour when I was working with >my >S-330. >If you have multiple samplers with the composite out, you could get fancy >and >bolt a video switchbox (or better yet, a KVM switch, assuming you can get >those >with composite connections) into the panel as well, and use it for all of >the >machines. > >At 06:46 PM 6/30/2002, Jesse Segovia wrote: > >Sorry, this is old but I just noticed this post. Has anyone actually > >used these things with an S-550 or 760? This will display all the > >sampler's video output for you? And how would you mount it with your > >gear? > > > >Does anyone have a picture of how it looks with a sampler? > > > >Jesse > > > >Edward Raison wrote: > > > > > > I've seen them at circuit city... but the best price I've seen is on >ebay; > > > there's always at least a few of these up there. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1356368394 > > > > > > just a basic lcd screen with a composite input. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:05 AM > > > To: Edward Raison; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > > > Subject: sgroup hello > > > > > > >make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" automotive >headrest > > > >lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the big, ancient > > > >monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic >samplers? > > > --ed > > > > > > Where do you get these? My color monitor is way too big! > > > > > > Anyone see any low cost LCD stuff? > > > > > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > > > ) skylab2000 > > > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > > / http://skylab2000.com > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > sgroup@lists.uunet.ca _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 04:04:27 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:04:18 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f71.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.165.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:04:08 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:04:01 -0700 Received: from 209.179.136.59 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 08:04:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.179.136.59] From: "mr. cat" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup - introduction Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:04:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 08:04:01.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC79FC20:01C220D5] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk hey group, been reading along for just a short time now and thought i should introduce myself. stats: kingcat, 30, los angeles (temporarily), s-50 / s-550 (and some other tidbits) - electronic music, blues-based funk, and more. i'm the original owner of the s-50, bought new somewhere between '84-'87. still use it as the MAIN controller, sequencer and sampler. you get used to the laughs after a while... the s-550 is a used unit i just picked up. i have various disks, including the sys-553 and the sys-505. can't seem to get anything to work right. no paperwork came with the unit, and it's a lot different from the s-50 than i expected. can anyone help me out with a copy of the sys-553 manual? anyone upgraded any of these units with scsi? would it be worth it if i'm not performing with these? i'd be interested in forming some branch of this group that actually meets (1x a month?) in person to discuss, help, swap, etc...in the los angeles area. anyone interested? thanks, and take care, kingcat _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 09:39:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:39:49 -0400 Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (h008.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193722-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:39:38 -0400 Received: (cpmta 19260 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 06:39:35 -0700 Received: from 65.186.176.73 (HELO monel) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.236) with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 06:39:35 -0700 X-Sent: 1 Jul 2002 13:39:35 GMT Message-ID: <004001c22107$50cb8cc0$49b0ba41@monel> From: "Clashow Barker II" To: Subject: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:58:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C220E5.C9121400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C220E5.C9121400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable fyi I use Logic Audio Platinum for Windows to do my recordings.... no more = support after september. clay Apple Acquires Emagic July 1st 2002 CUPERTINO, California and HAMBURG, Germany -- July 1, 2002 --=20 Apple today announced it has acquired Emagic, a leading provider of = professional software solutions for computer based music production. = Emagic's most popular product, Logic, is actively used by over 200,000 = musicians around the world. Emagic will operate as a wholly owned = division of Apple. "Emagic has set the industry standard for professional music creation = and production," said Sina Tamaddon, Apple's senior vice president of = Applications. "We're very excited to have the Emagic team join Apple and = create more amazing products for musicians." Macintosh-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic's current = revenues. Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued = on September 30, 2002. Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the = Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the = Macintosh. 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CUPERTINO, California and HAMBURG, Germany -- July 1, 2002 -- =
Apple today=20 announced it has acquired Emagic, a leading provider of professional = software=20 solutions for computer based music production. Emagic's most popular = product,=20 Logic, is actively used by over 200,000 musicians around the world. = Emagic will=20 operate as a wholly owned division of Apple.

"Emagic has set the industry standard for professional music creation = and=20 production," said Sina Tamaddon, Apple's senior vice president of = Applications.=20 "We're very excited to have the Emagic team join Apple and create more = amazing=20 products for musicians."

Macintosh-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic's = current=20 revenues. Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued = on=20 September 30, 2002.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the = Apple II=20 and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. = Apple is=20 committed to bringing the best personal computing experience to = students,=20 educators, creative professionals and consumers around the world through = its=20 innovative hardware, software and Internet = offerings.

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C220E5.C9121400-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 11:29:08 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:29:01 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:28:50 -0400 Received: from guysmiley.blarg.net (guysmiley.blarg.net [206.124.128.3]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C759537E83 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:28:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3D20752D.000001.01287@guysmiley.blarg.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:28:45 -0400 From: blincoln To: Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! X-Mailer: Blarg's WebMail v3.0.1 X-Info: http://www.blarg.net/ X-Contact-Info: support@blarg.net X-CCCUser: blincoln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Clashow Barker II" wrote: > Macintosh-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic's > current revenues. Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be > discontinued on September 30, 2002. Wow, that's incredibly arrogant, even for Apple. I'd think they'd show a little respect for the OS made by the company that bailed them out a few years ago. This is especially disturbing for me because I use an AMT-8 as my MIDI interface. I also have an Opcode Studio 128X, and I've already played the "can't use this device with a new OS because it's not supported" game. At least I went with Sonar instead of Logic... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 12:04:34 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:04:26 -0400 Received: from thebe (thebe.your-site.com [140.186.45.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:04:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (12-249-58-103.client.attbi.com [12.249.58.103]) by thebe (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158A12D965; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:04:09 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:04:13 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! From: aeon To: blincoln , Roland Sampler List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D20752D.000001.01287@guysmiley.blarg.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >> Macintosh-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic's >> current revenues. Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be >> discontinued on September 30, 2002. > Wow, that's incredibly arrogant, even for Apple. I'd think they'd > show a little respect for the OS made by the company that bailed > them out a few years ago. Please...don't kid yourself. Go back and look at all the financials from the time. If you want to make a supporting statement, make one based on fact, not media spin. And let's get back to the list topic, eh? cheers, aeon - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 12:14:58 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:14:49 -0400 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.177]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:14:45 -0400 Received: from smui04.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.26]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17P3p2-0003Vv-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:14:40 -0400 Received: by smui04.slb.mindspring.net id MAA0000028642; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:14:39 -0400 From: To: Roland Sampler List Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 216.142.43.178 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk If enough people complain, Apple will probably decide to continue supporting the Windows product short term. That takes away the brunt of most of the anger and then they kill it a few months later, when less people are paying attention. So much for Apple being some super-nice 'power-to-the-people' operation. They're a business just like everyone else. Jesse blincoln wrote: > > > Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be > > discontinued on September 30, 2002. > > Wow, that's incredibly arrogant, even for Apple. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 12:29:05 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:28:57 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:28:54 -0400 Received: from guysmiley.blarg.net (guysmiley.blarg.net [206.124.128.3]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AE2237E4C for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:28:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3D208343.000001.20312@guysmiley.blarg.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:28:51 -0400 From: blincoln To: Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! X-Mailer: Blarg's WebMail v3.0.1 X-Info: http://www.blarg.net/ X-Contact-Info: support@blarg.net X-CCCUser: blincoln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk wrote: > So much for Apple being some super-nice 'power-to-the-people' > operation. They're a business just like everyone else. IMO this isn't about business. 35% of their profit is still a sizeable amount of money. I think this is Apple's way of ensuring that only the Mac platform has the high-end tools for musicians (SoundDiver, LA, high-quality rack MIDI interfaces, etc.) I'm sure if they could buy Adobe, they'd do the same thing with Photoshop, to bring back the "all the good apps for music and graphic design are Mac-only" days. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 12:37:31 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:37:25 -0400 Received: from holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net (holt.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.187]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:37:15 -0400 Received: from smui02.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.25]) by holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17P4Ao-0001FS-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:37:10 -0400 Received: by smui02.slb.mindspring.net id MAA0000009775; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:37:09 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 216.142.43.178 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk blincoln wrote: > IMO this isn't about business. 35% of their profit is still a > sizeable amount of money. I think this is Apple's way of ensuring > that only the Mac platform has the high-end tools for musicians > (SoundDiver, LA, high-quality rack MIDI interfaces, etc.) Yes, I agree. But this is also about business. They lose some money up front but get it back as (they hope) Logic users are forced to switch platforms. I wonder how many music computer users are tied to their software vs. tied to their platform. In other words, when Windows Logic goes away, how many users will swap out all their hardware to stay with Logic and how many will find a similar product on Windows? I'd bet the latter group will be larger. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 12:52:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:52:37 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:52:31 -0400 Received: from guysmiley.blarg.net (guysmiley.blarg.net [206.124.128.3]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5967437F09 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:52:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3D2088CE.000001.27760@guysmiley.blarg.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:52:30 -0400 From: blincoln To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! X-Mailer: Blarg's WebMail v3.0.1 X-Info: http://www.blarg.net/ X-Contact-Info: support@blarg.net X-CCCUser: blincoln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk wrote: > when Windows Logic goes away, how many users will swap out all > their hardware to stay with Logic and how many will find a > similar product on Windows? I imagine that the people with a sizeable amount of money will, but that the part-time and hobby users will not. Like I said, I'm glad I snagged Sonar instead of Logic =). I really was seriously considering LAP at the time. OTOH it's too bad that the only way to get Sound Diver for the PC after the September 20th will be as a bootleg. SD is by far the best synth editor for any platform that I've used. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 12:56:51 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:56:44 -0400 Received: from holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net (holt.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.187]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15949>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:56:34 -0400 Received: from smui05.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.91]) by holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17P4TV-0003GE-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:56:29 -0400 Received: by smui05.slb.mindspring.net id MAA0000025631; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:56:27 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 216.142.43.178 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk blincoln wrote: > OTOH it's too bad that the only way to get Sound Diver for the PC > after the September 20th will be as a bootleg. SD is by far the best > synth editor for any platform that I've used. I forgot about that! I use the free SoundDiver version that came with my Pod for patch editing. I'm fine for now but when a major chip upgrade for the Pod comes out I may be out of luck. 8-( Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 13:01:45 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:01:39 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:01:29 -0400 Received: from guysmiley.blarg.net (guysmiley.blarg.net [206.124.128.3]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 32C3037F58; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:01:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3D208AE4.000001.30415@guysmiley.blarg.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:01:24 -0400 From: blincoln To: Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! X-Mailer: Blarg's WebMail v3.0.1 X-Info: http://www.blarg.net/ X-Contact-Info: support@blarg.net X-CCCUser: blincoln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk aeon wrote: > Please...don't kid yourself. Go back and look at all the financials > from the time. I'd be happy to look them over, if you can provide some. I was curious if my memories of the time were a bit cloudy, so I did some poking around online: "[ Apple ] even suffered the indignity of a bailout by arch-foe Microsoft (MSFT), which made a crucial cash investment in Apple in 1997, around the time CEO Steve Jobs returned to the company he co- founded." (http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,41559,00.html) "Apple was supposed to be dead by now. At one point last year the company was reporting $700 million in after-tax losses and preparing to cut some 1,000 jobs. With Apple controlling a mere 5.3 percent of the computer market, it seemed as though the PC vs. Mac debate would finally come to an end. Then at the August MacWorld Expo, Apple cofounder Steve Jobs stunned the masses by accepting a $150 million bailout from Microsoft. Apple executives claimed it was the only way to save the beleaguered company." (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1997/web.whatnext/hit.miss/miss07.html) "Microsoft today agreed to invest in Apple Computer by purchasing $150M worth of non-voting shares and hold them for at least three years. As part of the bargain, Microsoft agrees to (1) ship Mac versions of its key applications and tools and (2) work with Apple to make their Java products compatible." (http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_1144.html) Too bad M$ didn't require that Apple also agree to ship Windows versions of their key apps. I don't have anything against people who use Macs (it's just a computer choice), but I really don't care for Apple the company at all. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 13:07:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:07:23 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15950>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:07:13 -0400 Received: from guysmiley.blarg.net (guysmiley.blarg.net [206.124.128.3]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 034D237F59 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:07:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3D208C3D.000001.32002@guysmiley.blarg.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:07:09 -0400 From: blincoln To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! X-Mailer: Blarg's WebMail v3.0.1 X-Info: http://www.blarg.net/ X-Contact-Info: support@blarg.net X-CCCUser: blincoln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk wrote: > I forgot about that! I use the free SoundDiver version that came > with my Pod for patch editing. I'm fine for now but when a major > chip upgrade for the Pod comes out I may be out of luck. 8-( Yup. That's how I feel too. I have a bunch of old synths that would be next to unprogrammable without SD. I guess I won't be buying any new hardware that isn't covered in knobs. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 16:01:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-27152>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:01:12 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-27152>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:01:09 -0400 Received: from sjspc (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D20A1CE000068A9; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:00:36 -0700 Message-ID: <014601c22139$f38c35e0$6501a8c0@sjspc> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: , "Roland Sampler List" References: Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:00:18 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I suspect that a very large number of Logic Windows users are actually using pirated copies of the product, while on the mac they are probably more legitimate. Its interesting.... I seriously doubt they will support it on windows if they say they won't. I'm just curious what is going to happen to Emagic's products such as sounddiver, Logic, and all their soft synths? I would guess that Apple is going to take the core technology of midi timestamping, etc...and build it into OSX.....create an ENTIRELY different user interface that looks OSX instead of Emagics currently sorta non-standard look....and that will be the end of Emagic. They guys at Emagic took the money and ran...can't say as I blame them though...I'd probably do the same thing. I think that the Windows Logic users are not the only ones that should worry about this announcment. A lot of Logic users have come to feel that it is simply the best platform for writing music. If it dissolves under Apple....they will all be very sad. Emagic is headed the same direction as Opcode did I fear. Oh well...thank god I use MOTU digital performer! B-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Roland Sampler List" Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! > If enough people complain, Apple will probably decide to continue supporting > the Windows product short term. That takes away the brunt of most of the > anger and then they kill it a few months later, when less people are paying > attention. > > So much for Apple being some super-nice 'power-to-the-people' operation. > They're a business just like everyone else. > > Jesse > > blincoln wrote: > > > > > Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be > > > discontinued on September 30, 2002. > > > > Wow, that's incredibly arrogant, even for Apple. > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 16:04:01 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-27152>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:03:52 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-19834>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:03:46 -0400 Received: from sjspc (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D20A1CE00006CDB; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:03:09 -0700 Message-ID: <015001c2213a$4edef6d0$6501a8c0@sjspc> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:02:58 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk yup...me too with my POD. Thank good I have a mac! B-) Just kidding, don't mean to gloat... Somebody will figure something out...don't worry about it so much. Line6 has been depending sounddiver for their POD's and if they come out with new hardware..they are going to want to have an editor for it....and on the pc... They'll figure something out...whether its write their own or something. You can also get that other shareware editor for the PC that is dedicated to the Line6 products..I can't remember what its called, but its actually more elegant than sounddiver for editing your POD patches... cheers ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! > blincoln wrote: > > OTOH it's too bad that the only way to get Sound Diver for the PC > > after the September 20th will be as a bootleg. SD is by far the best > > synth editor for any platform that I've used. > > I forgot about that! I use the free SoundDiver version that came with my Pod > for patch editing. I'm fine for now but when a major chip upgrade for the Pod > comes out I may be out of luck. 8-( > > Jesse > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 17:58:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-19834>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:57:59 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net014s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.154]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-19834>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:57:55 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.240.93]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:59:44 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c2214b$5c1c0840$5df04bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <015001c2213a$4edef6d0$6501a8c0@sjspc> Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:05:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I guess it won't be too difficult to make something alike for POD as what Behringer did for their V_Amp: a dedicated editor instead of a V_Amp-only version of SoundDiver. Bye, Peter PS To be honest, for the V_Amp-editor it meant even an improvement :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Schow To: ; Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! > yup...me too with my POD. Thank good I have a mac! B-) Just kidding, > don't mean to gloat... Somebody will figure something out...don't worry > about it so much. Line6 has been depending sounddiver for their POD's and > if they come out with new hardware..they are going to want to have an editor > for it....and on the pc... They'll figure something out...whether its write > their own or something. > > You can also get that other shareware editor for the PC that is dedicated to > the Line6 products..I can't remember what its called, but its actually more > elegant than sounddiver for editing your POD patches... > > cheers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! > > > > blincoln wrote: > > > OTOH it's too bad that the only way to get Sound Diver for the PC > > > after the September 20th will be as a bootleg. SD is by far the best > > > synth editor for any platform that I've used. > > > > I forgot about that! I use the free SoundDiver version that came with my > Pod > > for patch editing. I'm fine for now but when a major chip upgrade for the > Pod > > comes out I may be out of luck. 8-( > > > > Jesse > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 1 18:05:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-19834>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:05:36 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-19834>; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:05:26 -0400 Received: from sjspc (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D20A1CE000109C3; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:04:55 -0700 Message-ID: <025001c2214b$51065af0$6501a8c0@sjspc> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "P. Vermeeren" , References: <015001c2213a$4edef6d0$6501a8c0@sjspc> <000c01c2214b$5c1c0840$5df04bd5@ptr> Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:04:35 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk There is already a 3rd party shareware POD editor that is supposed to be pretty good ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Vermeeren" To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! > Hi, > > I guess it won't be too difficult to make something alike for POD as what > Behringer did for their V_Amp: a dedicated editor instead of a V_Amp-only > version of SoundDiver. > > Bye, > > Peter > > PS > To be honest, for the V_Amp-editor it meant even an improvement :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Schow > To: ; > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! > > > > yup...me too with my POD. Thank good I have a mac! B-) Just kidding, > > don't mean to gloat... Somebody will figure something out...don't worry > > about it so much. Line6 has been depending sounddiver for their POD's and > > if they come out with new hardware..they are going to want to have an > editor > > for it....and on the pc... They'll figure something out...whether its > write > > their own or something. > > > > You can also get that other shareware editor for the PC that is dedicated > to > > the Line6 products..I can't remember what its called, but its actually > more > > elegant than sounddiver for editing your POD patches... > > > > cheers > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 9:56 AM > > Subject: Re: sgroup Apple Acquires Emagic! > > > > > > > blincoln wrote: > > > > OTOH it's too bad that the only way to get Sound Diver for the PC > > > > after the September 20th will be as a bootleg. SD is by far the best > > > > synth editor for any platform that I've used. > > > > > > I forgot about that! I use the free SoundDiver version that came with > my > > Pod > > > for patch editing. I'm fine for now but when a major chip upgrade for > the > > Pod > > > comes out I may be out of luck. 8-( > > > > > > Jesse > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 2 10:58:56 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-6021>; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:58:48 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-6021>; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:58:41 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:55:53 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10DF@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup RE: 760 LCD "Headrest" displays Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:02:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Any comments on how this display rates against the digital RGB? Does it look better than composite? (it must - that's what I use now and it kills my eyes) I saw an old Tandy monochrome monitor (yellow) digi-RGB but no cable, and when I turned it on I could see some pretty hard screen burn. It was $6. Any comments? What models should I be looking for? thanks Ralph >> >Edward Raison wrote: >> > > >> > > I've seen them at circuit city... but the best price >I've seen is on >>ebay; >> > > there's always at least a few of these up there. >> > > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1356368394 >> > > >> > > just a basic lcd screen with a composite input. >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] >> > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:05 AM >> > > To: Edward Raison; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca >> > > Subject: sgroup hello >> > > >> > > >make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" >automotive >>headrest >> > > >lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the >big, ancient >> > > >monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic >>samplers? >> > > --ed >> > > >> > > Where do you get these? My color monitor is way too big! >> > > >> > > Anyone see any low cost LCD stuff? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 2 14:44:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-6020>; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:44:38 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-6020>; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:44:28 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id LAA12959; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma012957; Tue, 2 Jul 02 11:55:37 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g62Ihqf50886 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:43:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-6021>; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:53:05 -0400 Received: from coq (213.36.44.209) by mail.libertysurf.net (5.1.053) id 3D1C52B200065C42 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:52:57 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c221cf$888d3e60$d12c24d5@coq> From: "Kamaro" To: Subject: sgroup dj-70 MKII Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:51:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C221E0.4A526560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C221E0.4A526560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, i am looking for updates about the DJ-70 MKII kamaro ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C221E0.4A526560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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i am looking for updates about the = DJ-70=20 MKII
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From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 4 12:22:42 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-2345>; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:22:34 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-2345>; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:22:27 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id JAA17680; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma017678; Thu, 4 Jul 02 09:33:50 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g64GM4n67168 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:22:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24889>; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:56:01 -0400 Received: from elmo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.245] helo=elmo.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Ps6O-0003i0-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:55:56 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by elmo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g63Ltu824363 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:55:55 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: sgroup S550 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by gc0.generalconcepts.com id g64GM4n67168 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have owned and taken a hosing for owning an S550 for the simple reason= I can=92t part with such a beautiful instrument. And for $200, for get it.= It is not obsolete yet. In fact, it=92s limitiations are overstated. For one,= it=92s really more than a 12 bit sampler. (I have the maintenance manual). It = uses 16 bit A/D and D/A converters and uses compressed 12 bit words to save th= e data. So the dynamic range is not too much compromised. The real limita= tions is that it samples at most at 30Khz and that you can actually hear if you= are trying to sample cymbals and such. Also, it is hard to sample in stereo = (I have made many stereo sample from something that has been prerecorded wit= h no problem.) To 30Khz and memory lack are not a problem, for large Piano so= unds, cymbals and such, I use the S770. I use the 550 for drum sample and soun= ds.=20 Actually I bought my S550 from a comedian who used it for comedy sound pr= ops.=20 I do have the SCSI card and 2 Cdrom disks of Roland sample archive and Cl= ub40 sounds, and CMS hard drive. They load 2X faster than floppies. I do not= have the Cdrom player which I have been on the lookout for for many years. I = have even looked for a used S550 with a drive that I could strip. Roland has = one in stock for $1000 for those of you complaining about a $100 mouse. Rol= and told me the only Cdrom drive that works is an early Sony SCSI 1X drive, CDU-6111. And, maybe the first Apple150 drive. I have bought the Apple = drive and found out that the S550 will recongize the drive on scan (first time = that happened) but has a problem reading the directory. I did load patch and = data but could not select or see any thing but the first items. (I can load t= he CD on the 770.) Ebay has been a godsend for looking for obscure junk becaus= e most salvage yards don=92t find it worth their time to look for a $10 dri= ve.=20 But I=92m obsessed with finding it. (At this point if someone handed me = the original Roland drive, I would be dissapointed). I have been put on =93I= have got one set a side for you=94 for 6 months at a time at these yards. And usually a show down at the yard brings dismay. Anyway the moral here is = that the SCSI card maybe of limted use. =20 What is more useful is that I can load any small sample, even in stereo, = on my PC and play it on the S550. Which is what I cannot yet do even with the = S770. Here is how: I rip what I want off of any Audio CD and make a wave file= . I put it in WaveSE or Soundforge or program that can save the file in the TurtleBeach sample format. Then I load it in the original Turtle Beach S= ample Vision program for DOS. I then down load it through MIDI a sample at a t= ime.=20 For stereo, I edit samples to phase them plus or minus one time slice. At 30Khz that would be no more than 15ms of phase error, max. (I can=92t he= ar it). The Sample Vision program requires that I use MPU style midi port and ru= n in DOS and more importantly use a PC with a hard drive formatted in the olde= r 16bit file system. Since I use pull out drawers any way, I have an old d= rive made up to run an old DOS and format to boot my computer to use the syste= m. I also use this swap drive to run other utilities. (Us eccentrics always = still by PC=92s with an ISA port.) So in this fashion the S550 has it=92s uses= . A further point to be made is that the wave file to be loaded in the 770 or= 760 need to be precompensated for the Roland wave format if you don=92t want = your sample sounding thin. This is according to the Sample converter develope= r at Chicken Systems. The S550 doesn=92t have this precomp added to the digit= al data so wave file transfer nicely. By the way Chicken Systems is weeks away finishing their driver for their sample converter. To bad it is $150 a p= op. If anybody has any more information for the CDrom drive let us know.=20 Randy rhoffman@ix.netcom.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 4 15:13:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-2345>; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:13:32 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-2345>; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:13:22 -0400 Received: from sjspc (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.026) id 3D240EF200019430; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:12:50 -0700 Message-ID: <004401c2238e$c59c53c0$6501a8c0@sjspc> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: , References: Subject: Re: sgroup S550 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:12:42 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk yup...we all mostly all agree with you. I will say though, another limitation of the S550 is the fact that it only has 1.5MB memory. But to me...the real reason for keeping it is that I have a pretty large library of samples for it..and they are all excellent samples. As you said...pianos and cymals pretty much suck... But lots of other sounds are great. I've used it plenty. Its been a studio workhorse for me. One thing to think about is that one person figured out a way to get a zip drive to work with his S-550. If we can figure out how to transfer one of those S-550 CD's to a zip drive...then you should be able to use a zip drive...which is WAY quieter and smaller than the Roland CD5. The Roland CD's only have about 80MB worth of data... I have 4 Roland S-550 CDROM's. I've already talked to chickensys about the possibility somehow getting S-550 programs out to HD or zip... He said he might look into it...but didn't commit. There isn't a huge market for that. Possibly someone can use SCSI copy to copy a disk to a zip and try it on their S-550. I don't have a zip drive yet to try this. cheers -steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: sgroup S550 I have owned and taken a hosing for owning an S550 for the simple reason I can't part with such a beautiful instrument. And for $200, for get it. It is not obsolete yet. In fact, it's limitiations are overstated. For one, it's really more than a 12 bit sampler. (I have the maintenance manual). It uses 16 bit A/D and D/A converters and uses compressed 12 bit words to save the data. So the dynamic range is not too much compromised. The real limitations is that it samples at most at 30Khz and that you can actually hear if you are trying to sample cymbals and such. Also, it is hard to sample in stereo (I have made many stereo sample from something that has been prerecorded with no problem.) To 30Khz and memory lack are not a problem, for large Piano sounds, cymbals and such, I use the S770. I use the 550 for drum sample and sounds. Actually I bought my S550 from a comedian who used it for comedy sound props. I do have the SCSI card and 2 Cdrom disks of Roland sample archive and Club40 sounds, and CMS hard drive. They load 2X faster than floppies. I do not have the Cdrom player which I have been on the lookout for for many years. I have even looked for a used S550 with a drive that I could strip. Roland has one in stock for $1000 for those of you complaining about a $100 mouse. Roland told me the only Cdrom drive that works is an early Sony SCSI 1X drive, CDU-6111. And, maybe the first Apple150 drive. I have bought the Apple drive and found out that the S550 will recongize the drive on scan (first time that happened) but has a problem reading the directory. I did load patch and data but could not select or see any thing but the first items. (I can load the CD on the 770.) Ebay has been a godsend for looking for obscure junk because most salvage yards don't find it worth their time to look for a $10 drive. But I'm obsessed with finding it. (At this point if someone handed me the original Roland drive, I would be dissapointed). I have been put on "I have got one set a side for you" for 6 months at a time at these yards. And usually a show down at the yard brings dismay. Anyway the moral here is that the SCSI card maybe of limted use. What is more useful is that I can load any small sample, even in stereo, on my PC and play it on the S550. Which is what I cannot yet do even with the S770. Here is how: I rip what I want off of any Audio CD and make a wave file. I put it in WaveSE or Soundforge or program that can save the file in the TurtleBeach sample format. Then I load it in the original Turtle Beach Sample Vision program for DOS. I then down load it through MIDI a sample at a time. For stereo, I edit samples to phase them plus or minus one time slice. At 30Khz that would be no more than 15ms of phase error, max. (I can't hear it). The Sample Vision program requires that I use MPU style midi port and run in DOS and more importantly use a PC with a hard drive formatted in the older 16bit file system. Since I use pull out drawers any way, I have an old drive made up to run an old DOS and format to boot my computer to use the system. I also use this swap drive to run other utilities. (Us eccentrics always still by PC's with an ISA port.) So in this fashion the S550 has it's uses. A further point to be made is that the wave file to be loaded in the 770 or 760 need to be precompensated for the Roland wave format if you don't want your sample sounding thin. This is according to the Sample converter developer at Chicken Systems. The S550 doesn't have this precomp added to the digital data so wave file transfer nicely. By the way Chicken Systems is weeks away finishing their driver for their sample converter. To bad it is $150 a pop. If anybody has any more information for the CDrom drive let us know. Randy rhoffman@ix.netcom.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 02:54:50 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:54:42 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:54:32 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:54:28 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:54:28 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup S550 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:54:02 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B99CA@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup S550 Thread-Index: AcIjjvEHXr/P8DgcQ8qa8ru0hz38hAAYecjg From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Steve Schow" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 06:54:28.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEAB9630:01C223F0] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >One thing to think about is that one person figured out a way to get a = zip >drive to work with his S-550. If we can figure out how to transfer one = of >those S-550 CD's to a zip drive...then you should be able to use a zip >drive...which is WAY quieter and smaller than the Roland CD5. The = Roland >CD's only have about 80MB worth of data... ...there is someone using a zip drive... It's me and it really works = fine. I use a 100MB zip on the S-550 and a 250MB zip on my "new" S-760 I got = last week. >I have 4 Roland S-550 CDROM's. I've already talked to chickensys about = the >possibility somehow getting S-550 programs out to HD or zip... He said = he >might look into it...but didn't commit. There isn't a huge market for = that. >Possibly someone can use SCSI copy to copy a disk to a zip and try it = on >their S-550. I don't have a zip drive yet to try this. If anybody has a program on the PC that can read an scsi cdrom drive as = pure image (not in a special cd-writer image format that only works with this = burner software)=20 read and write software I could try to read one of my S-550 cdroms and = write the image 1:1 to a 100MB ZIP disk that has been previously formatted with the S-550 to = 80MB. My time is very limited but I should find time to try this out if I can = get hold of a software that does this job. Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. 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From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 06:59:30 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:59:22 -0400 Received: from smtp.infolink.com.br ([200.187.64.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:59:19 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (200-187-69-59.dialup.rjo.infolink.com.br [200.187.69.59]) by smtp.infolink.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 2277DA4C18 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 07:59:08 -0300 (BRT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:03:45 -0400 From: Fabio FZer0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: AW: sgroup S550 Message-Id: <20020705080345.58ea41d1.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> In-Reply-To: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B99CA@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B99CA@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Organization: Gerador Zero X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Ullrich Peter" disse: > If anybody has a program on the PC that can read an scsi cdrom drive as > pure image (not in a special cd-writer image format that only works with > this burner software) > read and write software I could try to read one of my S-550 cdroms and > write the image 1:1 > to a 100MB ZIP disk that has been previously formatted with the S-550 to > 80MB. This can be done easily on linux using dd, but there are plenty of proggies for windows as well. Maybe you already have it if you're using MacOS X. ----------------------------------------- Fabio FZer0 Rio de Janeiro - Brasil www.geradorzero.com /404 /null - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 12:24:30 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:24:24 -0400 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:24:13 -0400 Received: from sdn-ar-001casfrmp222.dialsprint.net ([158.252.208.224] helo=earthlink.net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QVsP-0006K3-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:24:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3D25C859.3319FF02@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:26:26 -0400 From: Clay Leander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S550 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk rhoffman@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > The real limitations > is that it samples at most at 30Khz I used to use a program for the Mac called Alchemy paired with a "Sound Tools" card; I'd sample sounds at 44.1kHz into the computer, then do the sample transfer routine (painfully long through the MIDI port), and actually get 44.1 kHz sounds into the S-50 and 550. Of course once into the S50/550, you'd be playing at either G or A to get true middle C, but that was a small price to get the higher resolution.... Clay Leander El Cerrito, CA - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 14:09:15 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:09:09 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:08:55 -0400 Received: from midiman (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.026) id 3D25607000019123; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:08:26 -0700 Message-ID: <009d01c2244e$fe650ec0$8501a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Clay Leander" , References: <3D25C859.3319FF02@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: sgroup S550 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:08:36 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I hate to break it to you...but wasn't giving you any higher resolution than 30k. it only means that your sample conversion routine wasn't doing its job quite right. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Leander" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > rhoffman@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > > The real limitations > > is that it samples at most at 30Khz > > > I used to use a program for the Mac called Alchemy paired with a "Sound > Tools" card; I'd sample sounds at 44.1kHz into the computer, then do the > sample transfer routine (painfully long through the MIDI port), and > actually get 44.1 kHz sounds into the S-50 and 550. Of course once into > the S50/550, you'd be playing at either G or A to get true middle C, but > that was a small price to get the higher resolution.... > > Clay Leander > El Cerrito, CA > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 14:28:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:28:10 -0400 Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.18]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:28:07 -0400 Received: from sdn-ar-012casfrmp145.dialsprint.net ([158.252.216.147] helo=earthlink.net) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QXoF-0004LZ-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:27:59 -0700 Message-ID: <3D25E55F.8CFE94FE@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:30:23 -0400 From: Clay Leander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S550 References: <3D25C859.3319FF02@earthlink.net> <009d01c2244e$fe650ec0$8501a8c0@midiman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Actually, there was no sample rate conversion involved; however I am reminded that there was a trick to this. In the program "Sound Designer II", there is a command for "Get Info" which displayed the sample rate, at 44100. I simply went in and typed in its place: 30000. Now, playing the sound back in the Sound Designer program, it sounded "slower"; it wasn't a sample rate conversion, just a sample played at a different clock rate. When sending the sound to the S50/550 via Alchemy (sample dump was it called?) the unit "recognized" the sound at the 30k sample rate, although the middle c pitch wasn't right. By playing G or A (forget which), the correct pitch - with the 44.1 resolution - would actually be played. (BTW, I later used this trick when doing film sound work for telecine transfers: record in the field at 44.1, but "resolve" to 44056 to handle the telecine "pulldown" slowing of the film to accomodate the transfer to NTSC video.... worked great on a number of films, and I didn't have to purchase the Digidesign Video Time piece) - Clay Leander Steve Schow wrote: > > I hate to break it to you...but wasn't giving you any higher resolution than > 30k. it only means that your sample conversion routine wasn't doing its job > quite right. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clay Leander" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:26 AM > Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > > > > > rhoffman@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > > > > The real limitations > > > is that it samples at most at 30Khz > > > > > > I used to use a program for the Mac called Alchemy paired with a "Sound > > Tools" card; I'd sample sounds at 44.1kHz into the computer, then do the > > sample transfer routine (painfully long through the MIDI port), and > > actually get 44.1 kHz sounds into the S-50 and 550. Of course once into > > the S50/550, you'd be playing at either G or A to get true middle C, but > > that was a small price to get the higher resolution.... > > > > Clay Leander > > El Cerrito, CA > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 15:04:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:04:02 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:03:59 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C110B@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup S760 (or others) and Alternate tunings Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:07:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Has anyone used their sampler(s) to create instruments with alternate tunings, and if so are there any algorithms that you have used to get consistant results? 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From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 16:46:56 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:46:47 -0400 Received: from mailgate.purespeed.com (ns2.tidalwave.net [66.77.68.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:46:44 -0400 Received: from purespeed.com (fozzy.purespeed.com [66.77.68.13]) by mailgate.purespeed.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 5DAA8139B8 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [67.208.207.240] [67.208.207.240] by purespeed.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A599BD5000BE; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:46:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tgvoz@mail.purespeed.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:27:20 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Tim Goodwin Subject: sgroup OT: S/PDIF Switch box/Patchbay Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello I'm looking for an inexpensive way to patch the two S/PDIF outputs on my S-760 into the S/PDIF input on my Audiomedia III card and switch between one or the other (never both at once). I'm familiar with the Fostex and MIDIMan digital patchbays but considering I really only need to patch two sources to one destination they are a bit more than I need. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Tim Goodwin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 17:10:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:10:12 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:10:08 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:10:00 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:10:00 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup OT: S/PDIF Switch box/Patchbay X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:07:05 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B99DD@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup OT: S/PDIF Switch box/Patchbay Thread-Index: AcIkZS4R61yBM9HsT2OYx7tG/XJN8gAAh8Ll From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Tim Goodwin " , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2002 21:10:00.0225 (UTC) FILETIME=[52AFD910:01C22468] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >I'm looking for an inexpensive way to patch the two S/PDIF outputs on=20 >my S-760 into the S/PDIF input on my Audiomedia III card and switch=20 >between one or the other (never both at once). > >I'm familiar with the Fostex and MIDIMan digital patchbays but=20 >considering I really only need to patch two sources to one=20 >destination they are a bit more than I need. > >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If you don't mind some glitches when switched a simple switch could do = the job! The SPDIF-coaxial output is a simple quasi-digital signal with about 1V amplitude. And leaving outputs open doesn't matter. Only the inner wire has to be switched - connect the grounds together, = or if you can guarantee that both input wires are always connected - only one = ground connection on the inputs would reduce the chance for ground loops... SPDIF-OUT1 O--------------o\ \O-----------O OUTPUT SPDIF-OUT2 O--------------o Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 20:01:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:01:02 -0400 Received: from mailgate.purespeed.com (ns2.tidalwave.net [66.77.68.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:00:56 -0400 Received: from purespeed.com (fozzy.purespeed.com [66.77.68.13]) by mailgate.purespeed.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 465FE13A17 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [67.242.159.92] [67.242.159.92] by purespeed.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A31744140136; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:00:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tgvoz@mail.purespeed.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:01:07 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Tim Goodwin Subject: sgroup OT: Digital Patchbay/Switchbox Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello Physical limitations prevent me from being able to assemble even this simplest of circuits. So, is there something like this on the market that would preserve the signal integrity ? Thanks Tim Goodwin >I'm looking for an inexpensive way to patch the two S/PDIF outputs on >my S-760 into the S/PDIF input on my Audiomedia III card and switch >between one or the other (never both at once). > >I'm familiar with the Fostex and MIDIMan digital patchbays but >considering I really only need to patch two sources to one >destination they are a bit more than I need. > >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If you don't mind some glitches when switched a simple switch could do the job! The SPDIF-coaxial output is a simple quasi-digital signal with about 1V amplitude. And leaving outputs open doesn't matter. Only the inner wire has to be switched - connect the grounds together, or if you can guarantee that both input wires are always connected - only one ground connection on the inputs would reduce the chance for ground loops... SPDIF-OUT1 O--------------o\ \O-----------O OUTPUT SPDIF-OUT2 O--------------o - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 20:21:17 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:21:09 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23311>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:21:02 -0400 Received: from elmo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.245] helo=elmo.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QdJq-0003Eu-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:20:58 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by elmo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g660KvK13244; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:20:57 -0400 From: To: peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Cc: steve@bstage.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: AW: sgroup S550 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.121.113.242 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Still trying to address the importance of the 550 SCSI card. (I have the card and manusl) The S-760 and 770 is more liberal in the choiced of CDroms it will talk to. The S550 is picky. I have tried all SCSI drives that I got my hands on and that was alot. I have listened to the sounds of my 550 CD by reading them with the S770 and the CLUB40 and Reflective Arts sounds are not that impressive compared with the Roland archive sounds. I am starting to think that the CDrom quest is not important if there are not that many good sounds on CDrom. The hard drive I have is nice but only handles 80mb of sounds. That's not enough space to hold all the floppies and getting off all the floppies is what looks like is what can help the S550. (Down loading through MIDI is real slow. And, sample data I use Sample Vision and Patch data I use Midiquest.) What looks promising is the talk about a working ZIP drive. Do we know if it takes a special brand of SCSI ZIP drive? On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:54:02 -0400 Ullrich Peter wrote: Hi! >One thing to think about is that one person figured out a way to get a zip >drive to work with his S-550. If we can figure out how to transfer one of >those S-550 CD's to a zip drive...then you should be able to use a zip >drive...which is WAY quieter and smaller than the Roland CD5. The Roland >CD's only have about 80MB worth of data... ...there is someone using a zip drive... It's me and it really works fine. I use a 100MB zip on the S-550 and a 250MB zip on my "new" S-760 I got last week. >I have 4 Roland S-550 CDROM's. I've already talked to chickensys about the >possibility somehow getting S-550 programs out to HD or zip... He said he >might look into it...but didn't commit. There isn't a huge market for that. >Possibly someone can use SCSI copy to copy a disk to a zip and try it on >their S-550. I don't have a zip drive yet to try this. If anybody has a program on the PC that can read an scsi cdrom drive as pure image (not in a special cd-writer image format that only works with this burner software) read and write software I could try to read one of my S-550 cdroms and write the image 1:1 to a 100MB ZIP disk that has been previously formatted with the S-550 to 80MB. My time is very limited but I should find time to try this out if I can get hold of a software that does this job. Ciao Peter |/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. 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From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 5 21:01:33 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:01:24 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23312>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:01:21 -0400 Received: from midiman (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.026) id 3D2560700002D584; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:00:41 -0700 Message-ID: <01bb01c22488$95f133c0$8501a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: , Cc: References: Subject: Re: AW: sgroup S550 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:00:32 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I don't really agree with you about Reflective Arts. I love that library. It has a lot of really cool stuff on it. Instantly usable. i think it just depends on what you're looking for. By the way 80MB is the largest HD that you can use. And also...to my knowledge pretty much all floppies ever produced by Roland, Reflective Arts or Outrigger Productions are on those 4 CDROMS that are available. The answer is going to zip drive.. but I don't have one to try it with. And someone who has one needs to play around with all the possible ways of getting a CD image onto the zip drive. SCSI copy might work...or it might be some other way. I'm not really sure. It might amount to someone sitting down with a CDROM drive and a zip drive and copying them over one at a time. It would probably take 3-4 hours per CD to copy them all to zip disk that way. That's probably what I'll end up doing at some point. The CDR drive is too noisy, big and slow. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: AW: sgroup S550 > Still trying to address the importance of the 550 SCSI card. (I have the card > and manusl) > > The S-760 and 770 is more liberal in the choiced of CDroms it will talk to. > The S550 is picky. I have tried all SCSI drives that I got my hands on and > that was alot. I have listened to the sounds of my 550 CD by reading them > with the S770 and the CLUB40 and Reflective Arts sounds are not that > impressive compared with the Roland archive sounds. I am starting to think > that the CDrom > quest is not important if there are not that many good sounds on CDrom. > > The hard drive I have is nice but only handles 80mb of sounds. That's not > enough space to hold all the floppies and getting off all the floppies is what > looks like is what can help the S550. (Down loading through MIDI is real > slow. And, sample data I use Sample Vision and Patch data I use Midiquest.) > > What looks promising is the talk about a working ZIP drive. Do we know if it > takes a special brand of SCSI ZIP drive? > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:54:02 -0400 Ullrich Peter > wrote: > > Hi! > > >One thing to think about is that one person figured out a way to get a zip > >drive to work with his S-550. If we can figure out how to transfer one of > >those S-550 CD's to a zip drive...then you should be able to use a zip > >drive...which is WAY quieter and smaller than the Roland CD5. The Roland > >CD's only have about 80MB worth of data... > > ...there is someone using a zip drive... It's me and it really works fine. > I use a 100MB zip on the S-550 and a 250MB zip on my "new" S-760 I got last > week. > > >I have 4 Roland S-550 CDROM's. I've already talked to chickensys about the > >possibility somehow getting S-550 programs out to HD or zip... He said he > >might look into it...but didn't commit. There isn't a huge market for that. > >Possibly someone can use SCSI copy to copy a disk to a zip and try it on > >their S-550. I don't have a zip drive yet to try this. > > If anybody has a program on the PC that can read an scsi cdrom drive as pure > image (not in a special cd-writer image format that only works with this > burner > software) > read and write software I could try to read one of my S-550 cdroms and write > the > image 1:1 > to a 100MB ZIP disk that has been previously formatted with the S-550 to 80MB. > > > My time is very limited but I should find time to try this out if I can get > hold > of > a software that does this job. > > Ciao > Peter > > |/ > (o o) > --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ > Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net > Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich > .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician > ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria > ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ > -----_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- > (_/ > > This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are confidential, > protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named > recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, copying, > distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be unlawful. If > > you are not the intended recipient, please inform us immediately, delete this > e-mail and all attachments from your system, and refrain from taking any other > > action in reliance to this e-mail. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jul 6 02:10:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-19419>; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:10:45 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.12]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19419>; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:10:41 -0400 Received: from misspiggy.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.246] helo=misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QimA-0004rZ-00; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:10:34 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g666AYP16612; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:10:34 -0400 From: To: steve@bstage.com Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: AW: sgroup S550 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.121.113.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thank for the tip. I guess I need to listen to the Reflective disks closer. I have only heard them through the S770. I am going to try to mess with a SCSI zip. I know someone who has one. If it works, I'll be able to move my floppies to a few zip disks. I could also then use if for the 770, but right now I am using syquest 44 and the media is perfectly cheap right now on EBAY. Seems like nobody wants them. 80 megs is max on 550, do you know the max on 770? Randy On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:00:32 -0400 Steve Schow wrote: I don't really agree with you about Reflective Arts. I love that library. It has a lot of really cool stuff on it. Instantly usable. i think it just depends on what you're looking for. By the way 80MB is the largest HD that you can use. And also...to my knowledge pretty much all floppies ever produced by Roland, Reflective Arts or Outrigger Productions are on those 4 CDROMS that are available. The answer is going to zip drive.. but I don't have one to try it with. And someone who has one needs to play around with all the possible ways of getting a CD image onto the zip drive. SCSI copy might work...or it might be some other way. I'm not really sure. It might amount to someone sitting down with a CDROM drive and a zip drive and copying them over one at a time. It would probably take 3-4 hours per CD to copy them all to zip disk that way. That's probably what I'll end up doing at some point. The CDR drive is too noisy, big and slow. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: AW: sgroup S550 > Still trying to address the importance of the 550 SCSI card. (I have the card > and manusl) > > The S-760 and 770 is more liberal in the choiced of CDroms it will talk to. > The S550 is picky. I have tried all SCSI drives that I got my hands on and > that was alot. I have listened to the sounds of my 550 CD by reading them > with the S770 and the CLUB40 and Reflective Arts sounds are not that > impressive compared with the Roland archive sounds. I am starting to think > that the CDrom > quest is not important if there are not that many good sounds on CDrom. > > The hard drive I have is nice but only handles 80mb of sounds. That's not > enough space to hold all the floppies and getting off all the floppies is what > looks like is what can help the S550. (Down loading through MIDI is real > slow. And, sample data I use Sample Vision and Patch data I use Midiquest.) > > What looks promising is the talk about a working ZIP drive. Do we know if it > takes a special brand of SCSI ZIP drive? > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:54:02 -0400 Ullrich Peter > wrote: > > Hi! > > >One thing to think about is that one person figured out a way to get a zip > >drive to work with his S-550. If we can figure out how to transfer one of > >those S-550 CD's to a zip drive...then you should be able to use a zip > >drive...which is WAY quieter and smaller than the Roland CD5. The Roland > >CD's only have about 80MB worth of data... > > ...there is someone using a zip drive... It's me and it really works fine. > I use a 100MB zip on the S-550 and a 250MB zip on my "new" S-760 I got last > week. > > >I have 4 Roland S-550 CDROM's. I've already talked to chickensys about the > >possibility somehow getting S-550 programs out to HD or zip... He said he > >might look into it...but didn't commit. There isn't a huge market for that. > >Possibly someone can use SCSI copy to copy a disk to a zip and try it on > >their S-550. I don't have a zip drive yet to try this. > > If anybody has a program on the PC that can read an scsi cdrom drive as pure > image (not in a special cd-writer image format that only works with this > burner > software) > read and write software I could try to read one of my S-550 cdroms and write > the > image 1:1 > to a 100MB ZIP disk that has been previously formatted with the S-550 to 80MB. > > > My time is very limited but I should find time to try this out if I can get > hold > of > a software that does this job. > > Ciao > Peter > > |/ > (o o) > --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ > Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net > Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich > .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician > ( ) Oooo. 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------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C224DA.D9445600-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jul 6 18:31:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-19419>; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:31:46 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19419>; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:31:43 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9EB1BEB.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.27.235]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA14652 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:31:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g66MU0p01408 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:30:00 +0200 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:30:00 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup RC-100 doesn't work completly Message-ID: <20020707003000.B1013@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I've bought a RC-100 for my S-330 sampler. All works, but the Alpha Dial doesn't work. I can't change any parameter with it. Do I have to configure someting or isn't it working at all? bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jul 6 21:05:08 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-19419>; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:05:00 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19418>; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:04:54 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.190.122]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020707010449.LTEZ5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:04:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c22551$32f52320$7abe580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , Subject: sgroup I Got A Chance. . . . ! Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:56:57 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2252F.AACF5400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2252F.AACF5400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, Just wanted to let you all know that I got a chance to try out the = "Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass" from East West (at least I think it's East = West). I got a chance to try it out a friends house on his Roland XV5080 = (of course the disk was in Roland format, as he had an S760). All I can = say is "wa-how"! That guitar collection is mind boggling. There are so = many funky guitars, telecasters, acoustic guitars, distorted guitars and = great basses (although I don't really need the basses as I have the = SRJV80-10). This collection is worth the $300 IMO. Most importantly, = there are on loops!!!!! All of the guitars are very expressive and are = very convincing if you know how to play guitar on a keyboard. I'd really recommend trying it out. I'm going to place an order for this = sample CD as soon as I get the cash together. http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=3DQLGBGS-1 Later Everyone, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2252F.AACF5400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
Just wanted to let you all know that I = got a chance=20 to try out the "Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass" = from East West (at least I think it's East West). I got a = chance to try=20 it out a friends house on his Roland XV5080 (of course the disk was in = Roland=20 format, as he had an S760). All I can say is "wa-how"! That guitar = collection is=20 mind boggling. There are so many funky guitars, telecasters, acoustic = guitars,=20 distorted guitars and great basses (although I don't really need the = basses as I=20 have the SRJV80-10). This collection is worth the $300 IMO. Most = importantly,=20 there are on loops!!!!! All of the guitars are very expressive and are = very=20 convincing if you know how to play guitar on a keyboard.
 
I'd really recommend trying it out. I'm = going to=20 place an order for this sample CD as soon as I get the cash=20 together.
 
http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=3DQLGBGS-1
 
Later Everyone,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2252F.AACF5400-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jul 6 21:16:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-19418>; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:16:24 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19418>; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:16:14 -0400 Received: from midiman (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.026) id 3D26B2070002113D; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:15:31 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c22553$d2e40f70$3301a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , , References: <000f01c22551$32f52320$7abe580c@epu1> Subject: Re: sgroup I Got A Chance. . . . ! Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:15:33 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C22519.1E4B80F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C22519.1E4B80F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a cool midi program that does guitar strumming....maybe you'll find it useful. http://www.auburn.edu/~jonestb/Bentar.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Everton, Jr. To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: sgroup I Got A Chance. . . . ! Hey All, Just wanted to let you all know that I got a chance to try out the "Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass" from East West (at least I think it's East West). I got a chance to try it out a friends house on his Roland XV5080 (of course the disk was in Roland format, as he had an S760). All I can say is "wa-how"! That guitar collection is mind boggling. There are so many funky guitars, telecasters, acoustic guitars, distorted guitars and great basses (although I don't really need the basses as I have the SRJV80-10). This collection is worth the $300 IMO. Most importantly, there are on loops!!!!! All of the guitars are very expressive and are very convincing if you know how to play guitar on a keyboard. I'd really recommend trying it out. I'm going to place an order for this sample CD as soon as I get the cash together. http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=QLGBGS-1 Later Everyone, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C22519.1E4B80F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's a cool midi program that = does guitar=20 strumming....maybe you'll find it useful.
 
  http://www.auburn.edu= /~jonestb/Bentar.html
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.
To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups= .com=20 ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 = 5:56=20 PM
Subject: sgroup I Got A Chance. = . . .=20 !

Hey All,
 
Just wanted to let you all know that = I got a=20 chance to try out the "Quantum Leap Guitar &=20 Bass" from East West (at least I think it's = East=20 West). I got a chance to try it out a friends house on his Roland = XV5080 (of=20 course the disk was in Roland format, as he had an S760). All I can = say is=20 "wa-how"! That guitar collection is mind boggling. There are so many = funky=20 guitars, telecasters, acoustic guitars, distorted guitars and great = basses=20 (although I don't really need the basses as I have the SRJV80-10). = This=20 collection is worth the $300 IMO. Most importantly, there are on = loops!!!!!=20 All of the guitars are very expressive and are very convincing if you = know how=20 to play guitar on a keyboard.
 
I'd really recommend trying it out. = I'm going to=20 place an order for this sample CD as soon as I get the cash=20 together.
 
http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=3DQLGBGS-1
 
Later Everyone,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Sun Jul 7 05:15:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-13169>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:15:15 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net ([196.25.240.74]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13169>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:15:07 -0400 Received: from [155.239.64.254] (ndf54-01-p254.gt.saix.net [155.239.64.254]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g679Egf10255 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:14:46 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:14:27 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup OT: S/PDIF Switch box/Patchbay Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Tim wrote: >I'm looking for an inexpensive way to patch the two S/PDIF outputs >on my S-760 into the S/PDIF input on my Audiomedia III card and >switch between one or the other (never both at once). If you want a really simple (if slightly inelegant) solution, here's what my studio technician did: He took a 1U blank face plate and drilled some holes into it. Next, he inserted BNC connectors which have BNC plugs on both sides. All digital outputs and inputs (S/PDIF)are plugged onto the rear end and labelled accordingly. He created short coaxial patch cables with BNC connectors. Now I simply patch whatever I need to wherever I need. I have my S760, Mackie d8b, Finalizer, DAT and audio card I/O's all up here. Never had a problem....... Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jul 7 18:33:09 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-13169>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:33:04 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13170>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:32:54 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:32:45 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:32:45 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup RC-100 doesn't work completly X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:15:19 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B99E8@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup RC-100 doesn't work completly Thread-Index: AcIlPQUqIWVunHEdThCJCQ0gs0hZhQAxqJ7r From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Martin Wulff " , "SGroup Mailinglist " X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 22:32:45.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[373C4070:01C22606] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo Martin! >I've bought a RC-100 for my S-330 sampler. All works, but the Alpha >Dial doesn't work. I can't change any parameter with it. Do I have to >configure someting or isn't it working at all?=20 It is working! But you have to set the control to "RC-100" instead of = mouse. Ciao Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jul 7 20:02:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-13169>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:02:13 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13169>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:02:06 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.156.19]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 8 Jul 2002 02:03:47 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c22613$b726c280$139c4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Martin Wulff" , "SGroup Mailinglist" References: <20020707003000.B1013@martin.unix-net> Subject: Re: sgroup RC-100 doesn't work completly Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:46:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, As you must have done already, the selection must be made to select either control by front-panel / MU-1 or RC-100 (sorry for stating the obvious here). There's no additional setting (the requirement for having to set MU-1/RC-100 is already more than enough I'd say ! :-) I've just tried it with my S-330 and everything works OK. I'm using OS v1.03. Only other (again obvious) things are: - did you press the reset button on the RC-100 ? - most likely: a broken pot/encoder in the RC-100 Bye, Peter site - www.shirtlifter.nl e-mail - shirtlifter@hetnet.nl download mp3's - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/shirtlifter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: sgroup RC-100 doesn't work completly > Hi, > > I've bought a RC-100 for my S-330 sampler. All works, but the Alpha > Dial doesn't work. I can't change any parameter with it. Do I have to > configure someting or isn't it working at all? > > bye, Martin > > -- > eMail : Martin Wulff > ICQ : 75752326 > AIM : MuMaWu > -------------------------------------------- > Public Key: > Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 08:49:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:48:58 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:48:52 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g68CmiR00649 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:48:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13170>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:49:07 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-28-48.tnt3.me2.uunet.de [149.225.28.48]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id JAA24731 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:49:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D25C346.672455AA@cityweb.de> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:03:23 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S550 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk rhoffman@ix.netcom.com wrote: > For one, it’s > really more than a 12 bit sampler. (I have the maintenance manual). It uses > 16 bit A/D and D/A converters and uses compressed 12 bit words to save the > data. So the dynamic range is not too much compromised. Compressed 12 bit data? Interesting, I didn't know this. The Sysex transfer of samples is also 12 bits only, so I suppose these data are compressed too? Do you know any details on the compression scheme used? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 08:49:59 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:49:50 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:49:47 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g68Cnj300710 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:49:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from sunny.pacific.net.au ([203.25.148.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13169>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:21:00 -0400 Received: from wisma.pacific.net.au (wisma.pacific.net.au [210.23.129.72]) by sunny.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id g681KsSs016916 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:20:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.254] (ppp105.adsl89.pacific.net.au [202.7.89.105]) by wisma.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id LAA08451 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:20:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:20:53 -0400 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: AW: sgroup S550 Message-ID: <1730455593.1026127253@[192.168.0.11]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk rhoffman@ix.netcom.com wrote: > 80 megs is max on 550, do you know the max on 770? 600 Mbytes is the maximum for the S7x0 series. Funnily enough, that's near the size of a CD-ROM... Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 08:50:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:49:50 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:49:36 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g68CnYo00698 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:49:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13169>; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:40:08 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-120-93.tnt10.me2.uunet.de [149.225.120.93]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id MAA29300 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:40:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D27FE27.8C304406@cityweb.de> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 04:39:05 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup OT: S/PDIF Switch box/Patchbay References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Tim Goodwin wrote: > I'm looking for an inexpensive way to patch the two S/PDIF outputs on > my S-760 into the S/PDIF input on my Audiomedia III card and switch > between one or the other (never both at once). If you only need one output at a time, can't you just use only one of the outputs and do the routing inside the S-760? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 08:55:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:55:10 -0400 Received: from holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net (holt.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.187]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:55:07 -0400 Received: from smui03.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.22]) by holt.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17RY2e-0008OB-00; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 08:55:00 -0400 Received: by smui03.slb.mindspring.net id IAA0000003571; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:55:00 -0400 From: To: Ingo Debus Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup S550 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 216.142.43.178 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The verbiage Roland always used to use was internally, the S-550 was a 16-bit sampler. I guess this is where the 'interpolation' comes in. There's something to it - the S-550 always sounded head and shoulders above other 12-bit samplers of the day like the Emax and the Ensoniq sampler (I never used the old Akai S900). But I don't know that it sounds as good as any 16-bit sampler out there. By the way, I used to have a four page color pamphlet Roland put out about the S-550 - in the feature list it said the S-550 would have cross-fade looping. 8-( Too bad the x-fade looping made it into the pamphlet but not the sampler, and not the other way around. Jesse On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:03:23 -0400 Ingo Debus wrote: >> For one, it’s >> really more than a 12 bit sampler. (I have the maintenance manual). It uses >> 16 bit A/D and D/A converters and uses compressed 12 bit words to save the >> data. So the dynamic range is not too much compromised. > Compressed 12 bit data? Interesting, I didn't know this. > The Sysex transfer of samples is also 12 bits only, so I suppose these > data are compressed too? Do you know any details on the compression > scheme used? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 11:36:51 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21543>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:36:44 -0400 Received: from illustrious.cnchost.com (illustrious.concentric.net [207.155.252.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21543>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:36:33 -0400 Received: from skeletonhome.com ([209.10.126.108]) by illustrious.cnchost.com id LAA23982; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:36:15 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <3D29B1F8.5010906@skeletonhome.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:38:32 -0400 From: Bruce Tovsky Reply-To: bruce@skeletonhome.com Organization: skeleton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011130 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: AW: sgroup S550 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk re: removeable storage media with s550 i've used a syquest ez135 with my s550 for years with little trouble. the units may be hard to find - though easier than cd-rom mechanisms which are compatible. i also use the cd-5 cd-rom drive which i got from jim norman years ago as a close-out from roland (thanks again, jim!) the only trick - and this may also work with zip drives - is 'waking up' the drive. you need to go into the disk menu (i may be a bit foggy here as i'm working from memory, haven't used the s550 in quite a while) to the hd submenu, and then toggle the drive id (i think). the s550 won't see the drive at first, but by messing with the scsi id it allows it to see the drive, format, save, etc. hope this info is helpful. bruce - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 14:40:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:40:49 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net090s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:40:39 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.93]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:42:29 +0200 Message-ID: <003001c226af$ffe93100$5df14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup S550 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:40:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Sounds good, 12-bit with some form of compression. But then I couldn't understand how we can send 12-bit stuff (probably coming from 16 bit, truncated or dithered) to the Roland and everything turns out OK. I mean, where is the 'compression-algorithm' taking place ? Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Ingo Debus Cc: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > The verbiage Roland always used to use was internally, the S-550 was a 16-bit > sampler. I guess this is where the 'interpolation' comes in. > > There's something to it - the S-550 always sounded head and shoulders above > other 12-bit samplers of the day like the Emax and the Ensoniq sampler (I > never used the old Akai S900). But I don't know that it sounds as good as any > 16-bit sampler out there. > > By the way, I used to have a four page color pamphlet Roland put out about the > S-550 - in the feature list it said the S-550 would have cross-fade looping. > 8-( Too bad the x-fade looping made it into the pamphlet but not the sampler, > and not the other way around. > > Jesse > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:03:23 -0400 Ingo Debus wrote: > > >> For one, it's > >> really more than a 12 bit sampler. (I have the maintenance manual). It > uses > >> 16 bit A/D and D/A converters and uses compressed 12 bit words to save the > >> data. So the dynamic range is not too much compromised. > > > Compressed 12 bit data? Interesting, I didn't know this. > > The Sysex transfer of samples is also 12 bits only, so I suppose these > > data are compressed too? Do you know any details on the compression > > scheme used? > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 19:41:31 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:41:29 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:41:26 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.85.162]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020708234117.TXBT20423.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:41:17 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c226d7$d8fd53a0$a255580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , Subject: sgroup Arranging, Composing, etc. Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:33:20 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C226B6.50BD93E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C226B6.50BD93E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, Okay - I'm down to where I wanted to be. I got the Quantum Leap Guitar & = Bass and the Interactive Drum Kits and Snares. I must say, I am very, = very, very impressed. The IDK&S rivals the Dynamic Drums Board of the = Roland XV5080. The only thing is that there aren't as many kits. There = are so many variations on the snares and kick though that you wouldn't = really care. The sound is breathtaking, and I can finally record songs = (in the vein of Patrice Rushen, Early Michael Jackson, Prince and all of = that late 70s orchestrated disco and disco-funk as well as Funk and R&B) = the way I wanted to - with real drums and the absence of drum micing = headaches. The Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass kicks ass for real. The guitar sounds are = the best I heard on any synth/sampler. I can finally do the Prince/Funk = stuff that I wanted to do. Everything sounds so authentic. You need to = get these things. My songs no longer have to sound gay and un-authentic. = I don't have to bother with stupid gay loops and other non-authentic = things that don't suit the styles of music that I'm trying to do. I still want to get at the Roland XV5080 at some time, but for now this = will be great. The more authentic instrument (minus stupid loops CDs) I = can find, the better off I will be and the more useful my Roland S760 = will be. Thanks, Harold Everton, Jr. www.evertonrecords.com E.D. - Everton Records - "Music Innovation, Non-Sampled Imitation" ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C226B6.50BD93E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
Okay - I'm down to where I wanted to = be. I got the=20 Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass and the Interactive Drum Kits and Snares. = I must=20 say, I am very, very, very impressed. The IDK&S rivals the Dynamic = Drums=20 Board of the Roland XV5080. The only thing is that there aren't as many = kits.=20 There are so many variations on the snares and kick though that you = wouldn't=20 really care. The sound is breathtaking, and I can finally record songs = (in the=20 vein of Patrice Rushen, Early Michael Jackson, Prince and all of that = late 70s=20 orchestrated disco and disco-funk as well as Funk and R&B)  the = way I=20 wanted to  - with real drums and the absence of drum micing=20 headaches.
 
The Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass = kicks ass for=20 real. The guitar sounds are the best I heard on any synth/sampler. I can = finally=20 do the Prince/Funk stuff that I wanted to do. Everything sounds so = authentic.=20 You need to get these things. My songs no longer have to sound gay and=20 un-authentic. I don't have to bother with stupid gay loops and other=20 non-authentic things that don't suit the styles of music that I'm trying = to=20 do.
 
I still want to get at the Roland = XV5080 at some=20 time, but for now this will be great. The more authentic instrument = (minus=20 stupid loops CDs) I can find, the better off I will be and the more = useful my=20 Roland S760 will be.
 
Thanks,
Harold Everton, Jr.
www.evertonrecords.com<= /DIV>
E.D. - Everton Records - "Music = Innovation,=20 Non-Sampled Imitation"
 
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From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 19:53:04 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21543>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:52:56 -0400 Received: from siaag2aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.131]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21543>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:52:46 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id TAA20597 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:52:17 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup Arranging, Composing, etc. To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200207081952_MC3-1-484-FBC6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk ----Forwarded Message(s)---- > Fm: INTERNET:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net > >I don't have to bother with stupid gay loops and other > *Gay* loops? Were they Mellisa Etheridge? Barbara Streisand? Lucille Ball= ? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 19:54:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:53:58 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail2.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:53:47 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g68NrYl12807; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:53:34 -0700 Message-Id: <200207082353.g68NrYl12807@localhost.localdomain> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:53:33 -0400 From: omz23@speakeasy.net To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Arranging, Composing, etc. X-Sender: omz23@speakeasy.net X-Originating-Ip: [65.91.152.54] X-Mailer: Speakeasy Network Webmail 2.1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On 08 Jul 2002, Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > I don't have to > bother with stupid gay loops man we know you don't like loops. give it a freaking rest. good lord. -omz - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 20:00:38 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21543>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:00:28 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21543>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:00:22 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.115.30]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709000021.OEZJ5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:00:21 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c226da$82e3fa20$a255580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: "dennis barton" , References: <200207081952_MC3-1-484-FBC6@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Arranging, Composing, etc. Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:52:24 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Lol, Just an expression. ----- Original Message ----- From: dennis barton To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: sgroup Arranging, Composing, etc. ----Forwarded Message(s)---- > Fm: INTERNET:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net > >I don't have to bother with stupid gay loops and other > *Gay* loops? Were they Mellisa Etheridge? Barbara Streisand? Lucille Ball? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 20:03:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21543>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:03:30 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21543>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:03:20 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.115.30]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709000313.UPSI20423.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:03:13 +0000 Message-ID: <004a01c226da$e942f280$a255580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Apology Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:55:13 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C226B9.5FEF03A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C226B9.5FEF03A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apology, To OMG for sending him an email personally, that should have been sent = to the sgroup. I apologize to him and everyone else here. Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C226B9.5FEF03A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apology,
 
To OMG for sending him an email = personally, that=20 should have been sent to the sgroup. I apologize to him and everyone = else=20 here.
 
Later,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 20:10:48 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:10:41 -0400 Received: from thebe.your-site.com ([140.186.45.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21543>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:10:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (12-249-58-103.client.attbi.com [12.249.58.103]) by thebe (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3786F2DA13 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:10:28 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:10:38 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Arranging, Composing, etc. From: aeon To: Roland Sampler List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207082353.g68NrYl12807@localhost.localdomain> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On 08 Jul 2002, Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >> I don't have to bother with stupid gay loops > man we know you don't like loops. give it a freaking rest. good lord. and for that natter, please cease the fifth-grade vernacular and show a little respect for people whose sexual orientation may be different than yours. sigh, aeon - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 21:47:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:47:10 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail1.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.81]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:46:59 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g691ki414797; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:46:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200207090146.g691ki414797@localhost.localdomain> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:46:44 -0400 From: omz23@speakeasy.net To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Arranging, Composing, etc. X-Sender: omz23@speakeasy.net X-Originating-Ip: [65.91.188.126] X-Mailer: Speakeasy Network Webmail 2.1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On 08 Jul 2002, aeon wrote: > On 08 Jul 2002, Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > > >> I don't have to bother with stupid gay > >> loops > > > man we know you don't like loops. give it a > > freaking rest. good lord. > > and for that natter, please cease the > fifth-grade vernacular and show a little > respect for people whose sexual orientation > may be different than yours. i agree, i have many gay friends and co-workers, and they certainly don't appreciate the term 'gay' being used in a derogatory fashion. grow up man. and btw harold, its omz not omg. peace -omz - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 21:49:26 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16888>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:49:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (webmail1.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.81]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16888>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:49:14 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g691mv314874; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:48:57 -0700 Message-Id: <200207090148.g691mv314874@localhost.localdomain> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:48:57 -0400 From: omz23@speakeasy.net To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Arranging, Composing, etc. X-Sender: omz23@speakeasy.net X-Originating-Ip: [65.91.188.126] X-Mailer: Speakeasy Network Webmail 2.1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On 08 Jul 2002, Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > Hey Guy, > > You could always hit the delete button, and > last I checked the internet had free speech. unfortunately free speech is often severely annoying :P peace -omz - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 8 23:14:53 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:14:45 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21542>; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:14:35 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.186.146]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709031429.USAM5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:14:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c226f5$a2193840$92ba580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <200207090146.g691ki414797@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: sgroup Arranging, Composing, etc. Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:06:25 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey, Yeah. Okay - Whatever. Back to the original point - Thanks for the advice on the sample CDs and reinforcing the points which make the Roland S760 a good sampler/sample playback device. The recent purchase of the sample CDs at my local music shop really did help me make good use of my sampler. Thanks, Harold Everton, Jr.. E.D. - Everton Records, Div. www.evertonrecords.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 9 09:04:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14422>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:04:14 -0400 Received: from nordpol.dbf.ddb.de ([193.175.100.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14422>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:04:08 -0400 Received: from dbf-ex1.ad.dbf (dbf-ex1.dbf.ddb.de [10.69.63.203]) by nordpol.dbf.ddb.de (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g69CwtJ00594; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:58:55 +0200 Received: by DBF-EX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2GVMKQVR>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:04:00 +0200 Message-ID: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CFFE4063@DBF-EX1> From: "Seidel, Thomas" To: "'P. Vermeeren'" , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:04:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Sounds strange... I do own a S220 only (the "little sister" of the S550), but let me throw in some remarks: IMO the S550 stores the sound data as 12 bit values because memory was very expensive in those days. You can do the math to check out if there is a compression algorithm used. Check how many seconds you may record of some stuff until the memory is full and compare this to the time needed for recording silence. BTW, the S220 has no A/D converter, it uses a D/A converter combined with a comperator for sampling the audio input. This could be the same for the S550. Using a 16 bit D/A converter and cutting off the lowest four bits afterwards may reduce the noise during recording. The S220 uses 12 bit memory too. I will check out what kind of D/A converter is used. -- Thomas > -----Original Message----- > From: P. Vermeeren [mailto:Peter.Vermeeren@hetnet.nl] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:40 PM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > Sounds good, 12-bit with some form of compression. But then I couldn't > understand > how we can send 12-bit stuff (probably coming from 16 bit, > truncated or > dithered) > to the Roland and everything turns out OK. I mean, where is the > 'compression-algorithm' taking place ? > > Bye, > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Ingo Debus > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > > The verbiage Roland always used to use was internally, the > S-550 was a > 16-bit > > sampler. I guess this is where the 'interpolation' comes in. > > > > There's something to it - the S-550 always sounded head and > shoulders > above > > other 12-bit samplers of the day like the Emax and the > Ensoniq sampler (I > > never used the old Akai S900). But I don't know that it > sounds as good as > any > > 16-bit sampler out there. > > > > By the way, I used to have a four page color pamphlet > Roland put out about > the > > S-550 - in the feature list it said the S-550 would have cross-fade > looping. > > 8-( Too bad the x-fade looping made it into the pamphlet > but not the > sampler, > > and not the other way around. > > > > Jesse > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:03:23 -0400 Ingo Debus > wrote: > > > > >> For one, it's > > >> really more than a 12 bit sampler. (I have the > maintenance manual). > It > > uses > > >> 16 bit A/D and D/A converters and uses compressed 12 bit > words to save > the > > >> data. So the dynamic range is not too much compromised. > > > > > Compressed 12 bit data? Interesting, I didn't know this. > > > The Sysex transfer of samples is also 12 bits only, so I > suppose these > > > data are compressed too? Do you know any details on the > compression > > > scheme used? > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 9 10:33:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14423>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:33:00 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14423>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:32:50 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C1111@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: AW: sgroup S550 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:37:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Yes - what is it with this Roland stuff that it seems to need "wake-up calls"? I have the same prob with my 760, 220 and even my JX8P! >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Tovsky >the only trick - >and this may also work with zip drives - >is 'waking up' the drive. you need to go into >the disk menu (i may be a bit foggy here as >i'm working from memory, haven't used the >s550 in quite a while) to the hd submenu, >and then toggle the drive id (i think). the >s550 won't see the drive at first, but by messing >with the scsi id it allows it to see the drive, >format, save, etc. >hope this info is helpful. >bruce - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 9 10:43:41 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14423>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:43:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.infolink.com.br ([200.187.64.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14423>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:43:28 -0400 Received: from infolink.com.br (host.infolink.com.br [200.187.64.32]) by smtp.infolink.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 73163A4C2D for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:43:25 -0300 (BRT) From: "Fabio FZer0" Reply-To: fzlistas@infolink.com.br To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:43:25 -0400 Subject: RE: AW: sgroup S550 Message-id: <3d2af68d.2b9.0@infolink.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Yes - what is it with this Roland stuff that it seems to need "wake-up >calls"? I have the same prob with my 760, 220 and even my JX8P! Yeah, that happens with my S760 also, but only with my HD (the zip works fine). Sometimes when i'm going to save something to the HD (1Gb external IBM) i get an "Interrupt Error". The way i found it to work is doing a "scan" before saving anything to it. My SCSI chain looks like this: S760(id7) -> HD(id3) -> Zip (terminated, id5) <- MPC2000(id6) --------------------------------------------------- FZer0 at webmêiol fzero@geradorzero.com www.geradorzero.com /null /404 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 9 19:09:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14423>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:08:58 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14422>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:08:55 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.156.87]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:10:33 +0200 Message-ID: <005401c2279e$a2ef4120$579c4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Seidel, Thomas" , References: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CFFE4063@DBF-EX1> Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:16:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, > Sounds strange... I do own a S220 only (the "little sister" of the S550), > but let me throw in some remarks: > > IMO the S550 stores the sound data as 12 bit values because memory was very > expensive in those days. You can do the math to check out if there is a > compression algorithm used. Check how many seconds you may record of some > stuff until the memory is full and compare this to the time needed for > recording silence. As I understood it the compression that was mentioned before is for the storage of the samples in a lower amount of required bits. So instead of 16 bit uncompressed in say 12 bit compressed. That would make sense, memory was indeed expensive then. But whatever the amount of bits for each sample is, the total amount of bits is determined by the sampling rate, not the width of the word (the amount of bits representing the sample). So the width of the sample (the word) is filling the memory in a 'vertical' way, and the length of the sample is doing this 'horizontal'. So I'd be very surprised to find that there's a difference in sampling length depending on the amplitude of the signal. At least for the S-330 & -550 the available time is fixed & defined. The compression you refer to sounds more like mp3-compression etc. > BTW, the S220 has no A/D converter, it uses a D/A converter combined with a > comperator for sampling the audio input. This could be the same for the > S550. You've seen this in the service manual ? What you describe is a sigma delta converter, a type of A/D (which indeed 'inside the black box' can be formed by a D/A and a comparator). So not the actual sample values are derived, but the differences w.r.t. the previous value. (I hope this one-liner doesn't raise more questions than it tries to solve; there's a lot to say about sigma delta converters). So our Roland samplers do have the A/D _function_ (but under the hood they realize it by means of the circuit described). >Using a 16 bit D/A converter and cutting off the lowest four bits > afterwards may reduce the noise during recording. No, that's not the way it works. It is true that using a 16 bit converter and using only the upper 12 bits _may_ give 'better' results than using a 12-bit converter. This is because of the assumption that the 16-bit device will have better 12 upper-bits than the 12-bit converter. This however, doesn't have to be so at all - as often said w.r.t. the present day 24/96 craze the situation might even be reversed: better a decent 16-bit converter than a crappy 24-bit device. About reducing noise: a _linear_ converter has about 6 dB Signal to Noise Ratio per bit (no need for the more accurate formula here). So a theoretically perfect 12 bit converter could achieve 72 dB SNR. Using a 16 bit converter and dumping the four lowest would theoretically give the same results w.r.t. (quantization) noise. But it's in the 'real world' differences that the reasons for using converters with higher amounts of bits are to be found. > The S220 uses 12 bit memory too. I will check out what kind of D/A converter > is used. > Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Seidel, Thomas To: 'P. Vermeeren' ; Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? > Sounds strange... I do own a S220 only (the "little sister" of the S550), > but let me throw in some remarks: > > IMO the S550 stores the sound data as 12 bit values because memory was very > expensive in those days. You can do the math to check out if there is a > compression algorithm used. Check how many seconds you may record of some > stuff until the memory is full and compare this to the time needed for > recording silence. > > BTW, the S220 has no A/D converter, it uses a D/A converter combined with a > comperator for sampling the audio input. This could be the same for the > S550. Using a 16 bit D/A converter and cutting off the lowest four bits > afterwards may reduce the noise during recording. > > The S220 uses 12 bit memory too. I will check out what kind of D/A converter > is used. > > -- Thomas > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: P. Vermeeren [mailto:Peter.Vermeeren@hetnet.nl] > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:40 PM > > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > > Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > > > > Sounds good, 12-bit with some form of compression. But then I couldn't > > understand > > how we can send 12-bit stuff (probably coming from 16 bit, > > truncated or > > dithered) > > to the Roland and everything turns out OK. I mean, where is the > > 'compression-algorithm' taking place ? > > > > Bye, > > > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: Ingo Debus > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:55 PM > > Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > > > > > The verbiage Roland always used to use was internally, the > > S-550 was a > > 16-bit > > > sampler. I guess this is where the 'interpolation' comes in. > > > > > > There's something to it - the S-550 always sounded head and > > shoulders > > above > > > other 12-bit samplers of the day like the Emax and the > > Ensoniq sampler (I > > > never used the old Akai S900). But I don't know that it > > sounds as good as > > any > > > 16-bit sampler out there. > > > > > > By the way, I used to have a four page color pamphlet > > Roland put out about > > the > > > S-550 - in the feature list it said the S-550 would have cross-fade > > looping. > > > 8-( Too bad the x-fade looping made it into the pamphlet > > but not the > > sampler, > > > and not the other way around. > > > > > > Jesse > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:03:23 -0400 Ingo Debus > > wrote: > > > > > > >> For one, it's > > > >> really more than a 12 bit sampler. (I have the > > maintenance manual). > > It > > > uses > > > >> 16 bit A/D and D/A converters and uses compressed 12 bit > > words to save > > the > > > >> data. So the dynamic range is not too much compromised. > > > > > > > Compressed 12 bit data? Interesting, I didn't know this. > > > > The Sysex transfer of samples is also 12 bits only, so I > > suppose these > > > > data are compressed too? Do you know any details on the > > compression > > > > scheme used? > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 9 19:36:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14422>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:36:25 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14423>; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:36:15 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD95179F1.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.121.241]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA03419 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:36:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g69NYag01791 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:34:36 +0200 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:34:36 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup RC-100 problem fixed Message-ID: <20020710013436.C1038@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, somedays ago I wrote that I have a problem with the alpha dial of my RC-100. Today I found out what's the problem. It was the impulsgenerator. This little think that looks like a poti. I opend it an cleaned it with tuner spray. Then I corrected the little brush that runs over the contacts. And after screwing all components I was happy to see that it works fine. bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 10 00:27:53 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-26477>; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:27:43 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.12]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26476>; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:27:33 -0400 Received: from kermit.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.241] helo=kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17S94U-0004rp-00; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:27:22 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6A4RI710050; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:27:18 -0400 From: To: seidelt@dbf.ddb.de Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.121.115.6 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The S550 uses 16bit A/D converter and 16 bit DACs. Some instruments like my D550 use 20 D/A to help the signal to noise ratio at the output. But, DACs are cheaper and so some Samplers could use the 16bit DAC but it still doesn't mean that it is dealing with an original 16 bit sample. (The D550 uses a discrete bridge to add the 4 bits to the 16bit DAC.) I don't think that Roland threw in a 16 bit A/D in for the hell of it. I am sure the edit software must do the compressing when converting from 16bit wav file to the 12 bit SMP file. I don't know what method Roland uses. One method of compressing the 16 bit file to 12 bit is by flatening out the sound wave like the DBX compander did with an analog signal. Then adding signal points when expending for the outputs. Even though you add distortion in this method, that you may retrieve by filtering it still would be better than using a 12bit A/D Converter. The other method of fitting a 16 bit wave in a 12bit window was to offset the signal (without altering it) up and down to make it fit. This method you don't lose definition. It assumes that nobody really uses all 16 bits of span at one time. This not dithering (Dithering is used for trying to get more more bits out of a lesser A/D converter to increase the resolution not preserve the dynamic range of an already capable A/D converter when compressing.) Whether you record silence or sound shouldn't make a difference in the size of the sample like it would for MPEG or MP3 because Roland isn't trying to compress digital data (that would be hard to edit in the sampler) but compress amplitude like DBX did in the old days with analog circuits (that would have artifacts like pumping and breathing). I think the reason some of the "true" 16bit samplers sound better is because of the 15KHz upper limit penalty on the freq response on the S550. Although I remember 15KHz upper range didn't sound all that bad in the 60's. But then maybe I was zonked out. On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:04:00 -0400 "Seidel, Thomas" wrote: Sounds strange... I do own a S220 only (the "little sister" of the S550), but let me throw in some remarks: IMO the S550 stores the sound data as 12 bit values because memory was very expensive in those days. You can do the math to check out if there is a compression algorithm used. Check how many seconds you may record of some stuff until the memory is full and compare this to the time needed for recording silence. BTW, the S220 has no A/D converter, it uses a D/A converter combined with a comperator for sampling the audio input. This could be the same for the S550. Using a 16 bit D/A converter and cutting off the lowest four bits afterwards may reduce the noise during recording. The S220 uses 12 bit memory too. I will check out what kind of D/A converter is used. -- Thomas > -----Original Message----- > From: P. Vermeeren [mailto:Peter.Vermeeren@hetnet.nl] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:40 PM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > Sounds good, 12-bit with some form of compression. But then I couldn't > understand > how we can send 12-bit stuff (probably coming from 16 bit, > truncated or > dithered) > to the Roland and everything turns out OK. I mean, where is the > 'compression-algorithm' taking place ? > > Bye, > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Ingo Debus > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > > The verbiage Roland always used to use was internally, the > S-550 was a > 16-bit > > sampler. I guess this is where the 'interpolation' comes in. > > > > There's something to it - the S-550 always sounded head and > shoulders > above > > other 12-bit samplers of the day like the Emax and the > Ensoniq sampler (I > > never used the old Akai S900). But I don't know that it > sounds as good as > any > > 16-bit sampler out there. > > > > By the way, I used to have a four page color pamphlet > Roland put out about > the > > S-550 - in the feature list it said the S-550 would have cross-fade > looping. > > 8-( Too bad the x-fade looping made it into the pamphlet > but not the > sampler, > > and not the other way around. > > > > Jesse > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:03:23 -0400 Ingo Debus > wrote: > > > > >> For one, it's > > >> really more than a 12 bit sampler. (I have the > maintenance manual). > It > > uses > > >> 16 bit A/D and D/A converters and uses compressed 12 bit > words to save > the > > >> data. So the dynamic range is not too much compromised. > > > > > Compressed 12 bit data? Interesting, I didn't know this. > > > The Sysex transfer of samples is also 12 bits only, so I > suppose these > > > data are compressed too? Do you know any details on the > compression > > > scheme used? > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 10 12:30:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-26476>; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:30:15 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.12]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26476>; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:30:00 -0400 Received: from misspiggy.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.246] helo=misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17SKLk-00043u-00; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:29:56 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6AGTtt07602; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:29:55 -0400 From: To: seidelt@dbf.ddb.de Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I just looked at my SMP file in SoundForge and WaveSE (Turtle Beach). The SMP file is 16bit and 30KHz mono (SF calls it 32KHz). So either Roland sends it out sysex 16bit converted or Sample Vision is doing the converting. SYSex info in the S550 manual isn't clear. The sample also looks like it is using all 16 bits in loud passages. Randy On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:27:18 -0400 rhoffman@ix.netcom.com wrote: The S550 uses 16bit A/D converter and 16 bit DACs. Some instruments like my D550 use 20 D/A to help the signal to noise ratio at the output. But, DACs are cheaper and so some Samplers could use the 16bit DAC but it still doesn't mean that it is dealing with an original 16 bit sample. (The D550 uses a discrete bridge to add the 4 bits to the 16bit DAC.) I don't think that Roland threw in a 16 bit A/D in for the hell of it. I am sure the edit software must do the compressing when converting from 16bit wav file to the 12 bit SMP file. I don't know what method Roland uses. One method of compressing the 16 bit file to 12 bit is by flatening out the sound wave like the DBX compander did with an analog signal. Then adding signal points when expending for the outputs. Even though you add distortion in this method, that you may retrieve by filtering it still would be better than using a 12bit A/D Converter. The other method of fitting a 16 bit wave in a 12bit window was to offset the signal (without altering it) up and down to make it fit. This method you don't lose definition. It assumes that nobody really uses all 16 bits of span at one time. This not dithering (Dithering is used for trying to get more more bits out of a lesser A/D converter to increase the resolution not preserve the dynamic range of an already capable A/D converter when compressing.) Whether you record silence or sound shouldn't make a difference in the size of the sample like it would for MPEG or MP3 because Roland isn't trying to compress digital data (that would be hard to edit in the sampler) but compress amplitude like DBX did in the old days with analog circuits (that would have artifacts like pumping and breathing). I think the reason some of the "true" 16bit samplers sound better is because of the 15KHz upper limit penalty on the freq response on the S550. Although I remember 15KHz upper range didn't sound all that bad in the 60's. But then maybe I was zonked out. On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:04:00 -0400 "Seidel, Thomas" wrote: Sounds strange... I do own a S220 only (the "little sister" of the S550), but let me throw in some remarks: IMO the S550 stores the sound data as 12 bit values because memory was very expensive in those days. You can do the math to check out if there is a compression algorithm used. Check how many seconds you may record of some stuff until the memory is full and compare this to the time needed for recording silence. BTW, the S220 has no A/D converter, it uses a D/A converter combined with a comperator for sampling the audio input. This could be the same for the S550. Using a 16 bit D/A converter and cutting off the lowest four bits afterwards may reduce the noise during recording. The S220 uses 12 bit memory too. I will check out what kind of D/A converter is used. -- Thomas > -----Original Message----- > From: P. Vermeeren [mailto:Peter.Vermeeren@hetnet.nl] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:40 PM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > Sounds good, 12-bit with some form of compression. But then I couldn't > understand > how we can send 12-bit stuff (probably coming from 16 bit, > truncated or > dithered) > to the Roland and everything turns out OK. I mean, where is the > 'compression-algorithm' taking place ? > > Bye, > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: Ingo Debus > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: sgroup S550 > > > > The verbiage Roland always used to use was internally, the > S-550 was a > 16-bit > > sampler. I guess this is where the 'interpolation' comes in. > > > > There's something to it - the S-550 always sounded head and > shoulders > above > > other 12-bit samplers of the day like the Emax and the > Ensoniq sampler (I > > never used the old Akai S900). But I don't know that it > sounds as good as > any > > 16-bit sampler out there. > > > > By the way, I used to have a four page color pamphlet > Roland put out about > the > > S-550 - in the feature list it said the S-550 would have cross-fade > looping. > > 8-( Too bad the x-fade looping made it into the pamphlet > but not the > sampler, > > and not the other way around. > > > > Jesse > > > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:03:23 -0400 Ingo Debus > wrote: > > > > >> For one, it's > > >> really more than a 12 bit sampler. (I have the > maintenance manual). > It > > uses > > >> 16 bit A/D and D/A converters and uses compressed 12 bit > words to save > the > > >> data. So the dynamic range is not too much compromised. > > > > > Compressed 12 bit data? Interesting, I didn't know this. > > > The Sysex transfer of samples is also 12 bits only, so I > suppose these > > > data are compressed too? Do you know any details on the > compression > > > scheme used? > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 11 09:47:14 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-15812>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:47:09 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15812>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:46:54 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6BDkpk05757 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:46:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15813>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:47:02 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-118-107.tnt9.me2.uunet.de [149.225.118.107]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id IAA01186 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:46:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D2D2723.BA0BBC2B@cityweb.de> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:35:17 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? References: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CFFE4063@DBF-EX1> <005401c2279e$a2ef4120$579c4bd5@ptr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > As I understood it the compression that was mentioned before is for the > storage of > the samples in a lower amount of required bits. So instead of 16 bit > uncompressed in say 12 bit compressed. That would make sense, memory was > indeed expensive then. I still tend to believe that the S-330/550 doesn't use any compression at all. As many of you know, I wrote an Atari program that transfers samples from and to the S-330 via Sysex. It can import WAV and raw sample files too. This program doesn't do any compression or decompression. If there was some compression on the Sysex side, the sample import from raw or WAV wouldn't work so well. Perhaps the "compression" is just a pre-/deemphasis thing (i.e only filtering) like on the S-760? That's all only more or less guessing, I haven't investigated this much, because back then I just didn't think of the possibility that the samples could be compressed. Now, if the samples aren't compressed on the Sysex side, why should they on floppy? The S-330's memory can contain 442368 samples (2*18 segments with 12288 samples each). With 12 bits per sample, this is 5308416 bits, or 663552 bytes. It's likely that just this amount of data plus tone/patch/etc. parameters is stored onto one DD floppy disk. The S-330's whole memory content fits on one floppy. > > >Using a 16 bit D/A converter and cutting off the lowest four bits > > afterwards may reduce the noise during recording. > > No, that's not the way it works. It is true that using a 16 bit converter > and using only the upper 12 bits _may_ give 'better' results than using a > 12-bit converter. This is because of the assumption that the 16-bit device > will have better 12 upper-bits > than the 12-bit converter. This however, doesn't have to be so at all - as > often said w.r.t. the present day 24/96 craze the situation might even be > reversed: better a decent 16-bit converter than a crappy 24-bit device. It makes perfect sense that 16 bit D/As are used even if the samples are stored in plain old linear 12 bit fashion. There are many sources of additional resolution: Our samplers are polyphonic, when they play back more than one sample the signals are added. The interpolation algorithm which comes into play when the samples are not played back at their original pitch can cause additional bits, and the TVF and TVA as well. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 11 12:48:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-15813>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:48:35 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15812>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:48:29 -0400 Received: from kermit.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.241] helo=kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Sh7A-0000Us-00; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:48:24 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6BGmOT21517; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:48:23 -0400 From: To: debus@cityweb.de Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Whether on floppy or midi sysex out, I'm sure 2 bytes are used to represent 16bit or 12 bit sample points. We do know a 12bit word is used to store the sample data in the local ram. The question is: did Roland use the full range of the 16 bit A/D converter or just scaled the reverence voltage and OP amp signal conditioner circuit to just use 12 bits of the A/D. Remember, back in those days a 16bit A/D converter cost alot more than a 12bit ones. Randy On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:35:17 -0400 Ingo Debus wrote: "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > As I understood it the compression that was mentioned before is for the > storage of > the samples in a lower amount of required bits. So instead of 16 bit > uncompressed in say 12 bit compressed. That would make sense, memory was > indeed expensive then. I still tend to believe that the S-330/550 doesn't use any compression at all. As many of you know, I wrote an Atari program that transfers samples from and to the S-330 via Sysex. It can import WAV and raw sample files too. This program doesn't do any compression or decompression. If there was some compression on the Sysex side, the sample import from raw or WAV wouldn't work so well. Perhaps the "compression" is just a pre-/deemphasis thing (i.e only filtering) like on the S-760? That's all only more or less guessing, I haven't investigated this much, because back then I just didn't think of the possibility that the samples could be compressed. Now, if the samples aren't compressed on the Sysex side, why should they on floppy? The S-330's memory can contain 442368 samples (2*18 segments with 12288 samples each). With 12 bits per sample, this is 5308416 bits, or 663552 bytes. It's likely that just this amount of data plus tone/patch/etc. parameters is stored onto one DD floppy disk. The S-330's whole memory content fits on one floppy. > > >Using a 16 bit D/A converter and cutting off the lowest four bits > > afterwards may reduce the noise during recording. > > No, that's not the way it works. It is true that using a 16 bit converter > and using only the upper 12 bits _may_ give 'better' results than using a > 12-bit converter. This is because of the assumption that the 16-bit device > will have better 12 upper-bits > than the 12-bit converter. This however, doesn't have to be so at all - as > often said w.r.t. the present day 24/96 craze the situation might even be > reversed: better a decent 16-bit converter than a crappy 24-bit device. It makes perfect sense that 16 bit D/As are used even if the samples are stored in plain old linear 12 bit fashion. There are many sources of additional resolution: Our samplers are polyphonic, when they play back more than one sample the signals are added. The interpolation algorithm which comes into play when the samples are not played back at their original pitch can cause additional bits, and the TVF and TVA as well. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 11 15:35:33 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-15813>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:35:25 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15813>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:35:22 -0400 Received: from midiman (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.026.2) id 3D2D49720002D840; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:34:51 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c22912$0fda9a90$3301a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Ingo Debus" , References: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CFFE4063@DBF-EX1> <005401c2279e$a2ef4120$579c4bd5@ptr> <3D2D2723.BA0BBC2B@cityweb.de> Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:35:06 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is my feeling too. Same with AWave... it extracts the samples right out.. However I do get what the other guy said about compressing the dynamic range before saving the data and then stretching it out at playback..using differential interpolation to fill in the gaps. Seems reasonable to me. The differential interpolation we know for sure about...the other thing about compressing it....I'm not sure where he got his information from. But it does seem reasonable to me. All that means is that a tool like AWave would extract a sample that sounds just about right...but with not quite as much dynamic range. Again...I'm only speculating... Its also entirely POSSIBLE that Roland made the midi sample dump include the interrpolated data(ie you get full 16 bit words). However, what about tools that convert sdisk files to wav? compressed or what? What does the S-550 save to floppy disk? the 12 bit data or the interpolated 16 bit data. I tend to think the first. speculation.. speculation. I do know that I spoke with a roland tech support guy on the phone and he explained to me S-550 sounds indeed sound better on the S-550 then they will on any other sampler...INCLUDING the S-7xx...because the S-550 had "the right set of filters" in the chain, but digital and analog. All of the samples were created for the S-550 with attention to detail of those filters that they would be played back on. I'm not just talking about the Roland de-emphasis thing either. Everyone knows how to emulate that. Basically, interrpolation is done by the S-550 or S-7xx samplers with S-550 samples. Nobody else. And de-emphasis is done by S-550 and S-7xx and now by Chickensys and CDXtract as well. I don't think anybody else. But..according to the roland tech...something about the analog circuitry in the S-550 at the final output stages makes the samples all sound uniquely better when played back on an actual S-550 than any other way. For this reason his feeling was that if you're going to use the S-550 sample library, you're better off using an S-550 to play it back then then even a S-7xx. As far as how exactly the S-550 does tihs 12 bit twiddling...speculate all you want. I don't think we'll ever really know for sure exactly HOW it works. But the bottom line for us..is that its a well known fact that the S-550 was considered at its time to be leaps and bounds better sounding than all the other 12 bit samplers of its day. Other than the fact that it was limited to 30k sampling and stereo was hard to do..and it only had 1.5MB ram...the thing sounded close in quality to 16 bit samplers. That is the bottom line. It sounds like a 1st gen 16bit sampler. So its not fair to call it a 12 bit sampler. But its also not entirely fair to call it a 16 bit sampler. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingo Debus" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? > > > "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > > As I understood it the compression that was mentioned before is for the > > storage of > > the samples in a lower amount of required bits. So instead of 16 bit > > uncompressed in say 12 bit compressed. That would make sense, memory was > > indeed expensive then. > > I still tend to believe that the S-330/550 doesn't use any compression > at all. As many of you know, I wrote an Atari program that transfers > samples from and to the S-330 via Sysex. It can import WAV and raw > sample files too. This program doesn't do any compression or > decompression. If there was some compression on the Sysex side, the > sample import from raw or WAV wouldn't work so well. Perhaps the > "compression" is just a pre-/deemphasis thing (i.e only filtering) like > on the S-760? > That's all only more or less guessing, I haven't investigated this much, > because back then I just didn't think of the possibility that the > samples could be compressed. > > Now, if the samples aren't compressed on the Sysex side, why should they > on floppy? The S-330's memory can contain 442368 samples (2*18 segments > with 12288 samples each). With 12 bits per sample, this is 5308416 bits, > or 663552 bytes. It's likely that just this amount of data plus > tone/patch/etc. parameters is stored onto one DD floppy disk. The > S-330's whole memory content fits on one floppy. > > > > > >Using a 16 bit D/A converter and cutting off the lowest four bits > > > afterwards may reduce the noise during recording. > > > > No, that's not the way it works. It is true that using a 16 bit converter > > and using only the upper 12 bits _may_ give 'better' results than using a > > 12-bit converter. This is because of the assumption that the 16-bit device > > will have better 12 upper-bits > > than the 12-bit converter. This however, doesn't have to be so at all - as > > often said w.r.t. the present day 24/96 craze the situation might even be > > reversed: better a decent 16-bit converter than a crappy 24-bit device. > > It makes perfect sense that 16 bit D/As are used even if the samples are > stored in plain old linear 12 bit fashion. There are many sources of > additional resolution: Our samplers are polyphonic, when they play back > more than one sample the signals are added. The interpolation algorithm > which comes into play when the samples are not played back at their > original pitch can cause additional bits, and the TVF and TVA as well. > > Ingo > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 11 18:32:03 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-15812>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:31:55 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net015s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.155]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15813>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:31:45 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.242]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:33:36 +0200 Message-ID: <001701c2292b$cbfd41a0$f29d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CFFE4063@DBF-EX1> <005401c2279e$a2ef4120$579c4bd5@ptr> <3D2D2723.BA0BBC2B@cityweb.de> <005501c22912$0fda9a90$3301a8c0@midiman> Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:39:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, OK, all this 12 & 16 bit & compression-or-not made me think of the old 1/2 19" BOSS RRV-10 Digital reverb of aroud 1987 which is stated to use '12-bit A/D D/A with analog logarithm compression'. FWIW, perhaps related... Bye, Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 12 00:01:23 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-27028>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:01:18 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-27028>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:01:03 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6C40mS49266 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:00:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from oskar.webpack.hosteurope.de (oskar.one-2-one.net [217.115.142.86]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15812>; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:38:24 -0400 Received: from lfm.de (dsl-213-023-021-205.arcor-ip.net [213.23.21.205]) by oskar.webpack.hosteurope.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g6C0cBm06614 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:38:11 +0200 Message-ID: <3D2E2313.DEB3BFBF@lfm.de> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:30:11 -0400 From: Lars Friedrich Organization: LFM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup 12bit compression / A/D using D/A converter / considerations on bit-resolution References: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CFFE4063@DBF-EX1> <005401c2279e$a2ef4120$579c4bd5@ptr> <3D2D2723.BA0BBC2B@cityweb.de> <005501c22912$0fda9a90$3301a8c0@midiman> <001701c2292b$cbfd41a0$f29d4bd5@ptr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk ...To fill in on the ongoing discussion about 12bit audio compression -- just my humble knowledge on this topic -- In the 80ies and early 90ies the problem in A/D conversion was a question of memory but even more a question of cost for the converter-chips and conversion speed. In those days the most cost/quality effective and hence favourite method for Audio A/D conversion was called successive approximation. It basically involved different more or less intelligent methods to 'count' a D/A converter up from zero and compare it's output signal to the current input signal. When the level of the current input signal sample (held by a sample&hold-buffer) was reached a 'conversion complete' signal was sent to the main processor, indicating that the current (digital) value was the correct result of the conversion. This is why in some machines the D/A converter was used for A/D conversion. Using this method, the steps (and therefore the time, assuming the same step frequency) needed for a 16 bit conversion were many more than for a 12 bit conversion. As the processing speed of D/A converters and semiconductors generally was very limited then, the step-frequency needed for a 16bit conversion was simply too high to be cost-effective. In order to still get a 'better than 12 bit' sample-quality, there were two widely used standard compression algorithms, called A-Law and u-Law. Both represent different kinds but similar techniques of interpeting the analog input-signal. They are both based on logarithmic compression, giving the signal a virtual 16bit dynamic range, but resolving it in 12 bits per sample. Although the achieved dynamic range is the same as with 16 bit samples, the resolution is not as fine and (concerning quality) considerably inferior to 16bit samples. Manufacturers like AT&T and TI made integrated conversion and A/u-Law compression devices, which were also used widely in telecommunication applications. Nowadays (est. since 1994) logarithmic compression has grown out of fashion, and linear conversion (starting with the 16 bit Audio CD by Philips) has become a major standard, now being enhanced by the 20 and 24 bit standard for DVDs and modern professional equipment. At 24 bits, the limit of sense has imho been reached, as the 2 LSBs (least significant bits) are normally only displaying the physically unavoidable thermal noise at levels around -132,5dB. This is the thermal noise of copper conductors - e.g. cables); semiconductors produce much more noise! The lowest noise microphone I know of has a S/N ratio of -131,5dB (Sennheiser MKH-40). MicAmp-Inputs are excellent if they reach input noise-levels around -127dB. Assuming an amplification of 30dB (which is really not much), the applicable S/N-ratio would be around 97dB. This would nearly be represented by 16 bits already, leaving the rest of the bits to represent a (possibly more harmonic and less digital sounding) noise. However, in practice a higher resulution (20 bits and above) gives soundengineers the freedom to not use the maximal possible level at all times but instead keep up a headroom, to be able to record the maximum dynamics and take care of compression etc. later on. Although lengthly, I hope this helps understanding the problem of appropriate bit-resolution and answers some of the questions concerning 12-bit compression raised, so far. greetings to all of You, Lars ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LFM - Lars Friedrich Media * Karlsruher Str. 11 * 10711 Berlin Fon 030 8918773 / 0177 2430746 * Fax 089 244322400 * http://www.lfm.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 12 04:51:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-27028>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:51:45 -0400 Received: from nordpol.dbf.ddb.de ([193.175.100.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-27028>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:51:34 -0400 Received: from dbf-ex1.ad.dbf (dbf-ex1.dbf.ddb.de [10.69.63.203]) by nordpol.dbf.ddb.de (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g6C8rk532316; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:53:46 +0200 Received: by DBF-EX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <34GJLD9J>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:51:24 +0200 Message-ID: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CFFE406B@DBF-EX1> From: "Seidel, Thomas" To: "'Lars Friedrich'" Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup 12bit compression / A/D using D/A converter / consider ations on bit-resolution Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:51:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Friday, July 12, 2002 2:30 AM, Lars Friedrich [mailto:lars@lfm.de] wrote: [...] > In those days the most cost/quality effective and hence > favourite method for > Audio A/D conversion was called successive approximation. It basically > involved different more or less intelligent methods to > 'count' a D/A converter > up from zero and compare it's output signal to the current > input signal. When > the level of the current input signal sample (held by a > sample&hold-buffer) > was reached a 'conversion complete' signal was sent to the > main processor, > indicating that the current (digital) value was the correct > result of the > conversion. This is why in some machines the D/A converter > was used for A/D > conversion. That's the way the S-220 do it... > Using this method, the steps (and therefore the time, > assuming the same step > frequency) needed for a 16 bit conversion were many more than > for a 12 bit > conversion. That's right. You need 16 Steps for 16 bit conversion and 12 steps for a 12 bit conversion. Using a sample rate of 30kHz you have to do 480k Samples & Comparations per sec for 16 bit and 360k Samples & Comps per sec for 12 bit. Could be done by an ASIC in the mid 80es?! [...] -- Thomas - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 12 08:10:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-27028>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:10:18 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-27028>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:10:08 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:10:01 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:10:00 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup 12bit compression / A/D using D/A converter / considerations on bit-resolution X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22761590A5@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup 12bit compression / A/D using D/A converter / considerations on bit-resolution Thread-Index: AcIpWNp7c+dkgq12S0G+688+bxF+PwAGm2Bg From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Lars Friedrich" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 12:10:00.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C09AC40:01C2299D] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! Lars Friedrich wrote: >In those days the most cost/quality effective and hence favourite = method for >Audio A/D conversion was called successive approximation. It basically >involved different more or less intelligent methods to 'count' a D/A = converter >up from zero and compare it's output signal to the current input = signal. When >the level of the current input signal sample (held by a = sample&hold-buffer) >was reached a 'conversion complete' signal was sent to the main = processor, >indicating that the current (digital) value was the correct result of = the >conversion. This is why in some machines the D/A converter was used for = A/D >conversion. Sorry but your description of succesive approximation is not correct: It works like that: The highest bit (MSB) is set to 1 and a comparator makes the=20 decision if the input signal is higher or lower. If it was higher=20 the MSB bit is set to 1. Then the next lower bit is set additional=20 to the MSB-state and the next decision is made... So for every bit one compare/decision cycle has to be done. So for 16 bit only 16=20 cycles are needed and not 65536 like the count up method... The count up method is only used for simple and slow multimeter analog to digital converters... There were also special succesive approximation chip like the 2503. Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ -----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). 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From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 12 16:01:53 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-27028>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:01:47 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-27028>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:01:40 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id NAA07214; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma007212; Fri, 12 Jul 02 13:13:00 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6CK0tv96914 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:00:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-27028>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:23:59 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-24-167.tnt1.me2.uunet.de [149.225.24.167]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id RAA18406 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:23:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D2EF210.1CE5A1FE@cityweb.de> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:13:24 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk rhoffman@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Whether on floppy or midi sysex out, I'm sure 2 bytes are used to represent > 16bit or 12 bit sample points. Regarding Sysex, this is documented in the S-330 Owner's manual. See the last page before the index: (start quote) 4.6 Wave Data Offset Description address 00 00 00H 0aaa aaaa aaaa aaab bbbb 00 00 01H 0bbb bb00 12 bit 2's complement data (end quote) If the samples were stored on floppy as two bytes per sample, the 442368 samples would need 884736 bytes. These wouldn't fit on a DD floppy. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jul 14 21:33:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-12541>; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:33:32 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-12541>; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:33:25 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6F1XMk52913 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:33:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.179]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-12540>; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:55:57 -0400 Received: from [195.92.168.141] (helo=tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk) by imailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17ToX9-0007e3-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:55:51 +0100 Received: from modem-291.caterpie.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.58.35] helo=mike) by tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17ToX8-0003mK-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:55:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c22b68$21f7b430$233a87d9@mike> From: "Mike Nankivell" To: Subject: sgroup roland vp9000 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:56:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22B70.8341E320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22B70.8341E320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm desperately trying to get hold of the now discontinued roland = variphrase prosessor 9000 but everywhere I try seems to be sold = out.Digital village and Turnkey were both selling them for =A3600 each a = couple of months ago but now have nothing left in their stocks. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22B70.8341E320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm desperately trying to get hold of = the now=20 discontinued roland variphrase prosessor 9000 but everywhere I try seems = to be=20 sold out.Digital village and Turnkey were both selling them for =A3600 = each a=20 couple of months ago but now have nothing left in their=20 stocks.
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From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 07:13:26 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:13:18 -0400 Received: from smtp.infolink.com.br ([200.187.64.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:13:08 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (200-187-66-175.dialup.rjo.infolink.com.br [200.187.66.175]) by smtp.infolink.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id EEB10A4C37 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:12:58 -0300 (BRT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:18:05 -0400 From: Fabio FZer0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup roland vp9000 Message-Id: <20020715081805.294f18c5.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> In-Reply-To: <000a01c22b68$21f7b430$233a87d9@mike> References: <000a01c22b68$21f7b430$233a87d9@mike> Organization: Gerador Zero X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Mike Nankivell" disse: > I'm desperately trying to get hold of the now discontinued roland > variphrase prosessor 9000 but everywhere I try seems to be sold > out.Digital village and Turnkey were both selling them for £600 each a > couple of months ago but now have nothing left in their stocks. Now discontinued? I don't understand Roland. VP was released just three years ago! :-/ ----------------------------------------- Fabio FZer0 Rio de Janeiro - Brasil www.geradorzero.com /404 /null - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 08:59:27 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:59:20 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:59:10 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0EE8C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.238.140]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA08942 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:58:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6FCvGY01044 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:57:16 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:57:16 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Sample Library Homepage Message-ID: <20020715145716.A1014@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, a few weeks or month ago I told you that I want to build a website with samples and something other. This projekt is finished. But there is only the german version. The english one is coming soon. so, if anyone wants to offer his samples on my site, please tell me and send me s-disk images. there are also some sdisk images with the system and utility software. And finaly the cracked Director-S for the S-330. bye, martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 08:59:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:59:54 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:59:41 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0EE8C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.238.140]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA09822 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:59:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6FCw6a01050 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:58:06 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:58:06 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Sample Homepage. Part 2 Message-ID: <20020715145806.B1014@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi again, I forgot the URL. IF anyone wants to see this page: www.mwm-studios.d2g.com have fun! Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 09:37:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:37:36 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:37:26 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0EE8C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.238.140]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25721 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:36:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6FDYLd01133 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:34:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:34:21 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Re: Samples Message-ID: <20020715153421.C1014@martin.unix-net> References: <001a01c22c02$622761a0$234dfb3e@leanmachine> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001a01c22c02$622761a0$234dfb3e@leanmachine> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, why not. Sne dme those images. I will offer them on this site, too. I only have 3 S-330 samplers. But never the less, all samples that are free are welcom on this site. If there will be more stuff for the S-760 and the other S-Series sampler, I will change the S-330 Library to "S-Series Library". bye, martin On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:20:26PM +0200, O.F. Meijers wrote: > Hi Martin, > > I saw your post on the sgroup about your site, is this site only for the 330? > I have a 760 and made some nice samples for it, wich I like to share. > Up till now I made a Grand Piano, a Tx7 like EP, a Fender Rhodes and a Hammond Org. > Let me know and if you are interested I will send you the Sdisk images. > (I have the Fender Rhodes already in a 5 disk image ready for posting) > > Greatings > > Oscar (the Netherlands) > -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 10:40:53 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:40:48 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:40:33 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0EE8C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.238.140]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04674 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:40:24 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6FEcsL01279 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:38:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:38:54 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Homepage, Part 3 Message-ID: <20020715163854.D1014@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi once more, just in that moment I finished the english version. I think there are many mistakes, but I think you will understand everythink, too :-) please tell me what I have to correct and I will do it. bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 13:46:17 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:46:09 -0400 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.190.223.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:45:59 -0400 Received: from Abit (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 02038160002FB for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:45:58 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: Subject: RE: sgroup roland vp9000 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020715081805.294f18c5.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Seems to me that Roland suck you in by releasing a great sampler only to drop it like a hot potato. I feel for those who paid top dollar for the VP9000 only to see it discounted down to £500 before being discontinued altogether. Support will probably go the way of the S-Series samplers also... Motto...never buy a new Roland sampler! Regards, -=Glyn=- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On > Behalf Of Fabio FZer0 > Sent: 15 July 2002 13:18 > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup roland vp9000 > > > "Mike Nankivell" disse: > > > I'm desperately trying to get hold of the now discontinued roland > > variphrase prosessor 9000 but everywhere I try seems to be sold > > out.Digital village and Turnkey were both selling them for £600 each a > > couple of months ago but now have nothing left in their stocks. > > Now discontinued? I don't understand Roland. VP was released just three > years ago! :-/ > > ----------------------------------------- > Fabio FZer0 > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil > > www.geradorzero.com > /404 /null > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 14:16:16 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:16:11 -0400 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.232]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:15:56 -0400 Received: from bigbird.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.244] helo=bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17UANx-0003R6-00; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:15:49 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6FIFm122678; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:15:48 -0400 From: To: debus@cityweb.de Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup S550 12 or 16 bit? Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've been looking at the S550 manual and chematic in the shop manual. The midi sysex is 2 bytes of non-packed 12 bit data. And I'm sure it is also delivered on the floppy this way. There is no actual discrete 16 bit converter on the main board of the S550, (ASIC were running much faster than a A/D-CPU combo) but a Wave controller ASIC which talks to the CPU in 8 bits at a time and talk imdiately down the line to the TVF (next ASIC) in 16bit format. So it is difficult to tell how resolute the initial acquisition of the wave info is. The RAM for the wave is organized in 12 I Mbit ram chips. Even though it is advertised at 1.5Mbytes of ram, which is correct, there is 1Mwords of 12bit data. If stored at 30Khz a second at for 15 seconds, at 2 bytes each, and it took 2 floppies to fill the full RAM, that would take up 900 Kbytes of disk space (for 2 floppies) with plenty of room for the patch data. We need a Roland engineer to descend and shut us all up. But I have been wondering for years if compression was used or not. On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:13:24 -0400 Ingo Debus wrote: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Whether on floppy or midi sysex out, I'm sure 2 bytes are used to represent > 16bit or 12 bit sample points. Regarding Sysex, this is documented in the S-330 Owner's manual. See the last page before the index: (start quote) 4.6 Wave Data Offset Description address 00 00 00H 0aaa aaaa aaaa aaab bbbb 00 00 01H 0bbb bb00 12 bit 2's complement data (end quote) If the samples were stored on floppy as two bytes per sample, the 442368 samples would need 884736 bytes. These wouldn't fit on a DD floppy. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 15:33:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:33:15 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:33:09 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.3]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:34:54 +0200 Message-ID: <003501c22c37$83e76a80$03f14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "SGroup Mailinglist" References: <001a01c22c02$622761a0$234dfb3e@leanmachine> <20020715153421.C1014@martin.unix-net> Subject: Re: sgroup Re: Samples Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:40:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Nice initiative ! As most people will know, the PC-program Awave (fmjsoft.com) is advertized as being able to access all those disk images (*.out). So even if somebody doesn't have an S-760, there might still be something useful in those files. (valid for *.out files of S-330/550/7X0/... I guess). Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: sgroup Re: Samples > Hi, > > why not. Sne dme those images. I will offer them on this site, too. I > only have 3 S-330 samplers. But never the less, all samples that are > free are welcom on this site. If there will be more stuff for the S-760 > and the other S-Series sampler, I will change the S-330 Library to > "S-Series Library". > > bye, martin > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 16:51:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:51:31 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (hnmail01.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.156]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:51:28 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.3]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:48:16 +0200 Message-ID: <009301c22c42$7638e8e0$03f14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Martin Wulff" , "SGroup Mailinglist" References: <20020715163854.D1014@martin.unix-net> Subject: Roland libs / was: Re: sgroup Homepage, Part 3 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:59:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Thanks for the good work, Martin ! I was wondering, the S-50 & S-550 libs are those from the sgroup archives ? If so, then the following disks below might be missing/wrong etc. Maybe the launch of your new site a nice occasion (well, on a sampler-group, let's say is a nice trigger...) for the group to try to get the libraries complete ? It's about the following disks: --- from the RSB-50 Sound Libraries --- RSB-501, disk #10 tenor/sophrano saxophone RSB-502, disk #1 mallets no.1 (but this might be identical to L503#12 available elsewhere...) RSB-502, disk #10 electr. guitar no.1 RSB-503, disk #8 train ride, air base RSB-504, disk #6 solo trump & french horn RSB-505, disk #5 latin perc. no.1 (perhaps identical to disk L503#11 available elsewhere...) RSB-505, disk #8 snares --- from the RSB-550 Sound Libraries --- RSB-5502, disk #10 stereo drum kit #2 --> this last one was sent to me by Peter Ullrich (thanks); if you want/don't have it already I can sent it to you to add to your site. So if anyone has one of these disks, please spend a minute or so to make an sdisk image of it and send it to Martin@FunAndMusic.de, OK ? Would be nice. Thanks / bye, Peter site - www.shirtlifter.nl e-mail - shirtlifter@hetnet.nl download mp3's - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/shirtlifter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: sgroup Homepage, Part 3 > Hi once more, > > just in that moment I finished the english version. I think there are > many mistakes, but I think you will understand everythink, too :-) > > please tell me what I have to correct and I will do it. > > bye, Martin > > > -- > eMail : Martin Wulff > ICQ : 75752326 > AIM : MuMaWu > -------------------------------------------- > Public Key: > Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 17:14:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:14:22 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:14:16 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0E109.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.225.9]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06765 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:14:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6FLCh902246 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:12:43 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:12:43 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: Re: Roland libs / was: Re: sgroup Homepage, Part 3 Message-ID: <20020715231243.E1014@martin.unix-net> References: <20020715163854.D1014@martin.unix-net> <009301c22c42$7638e8e0$03f14bd5@ptr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <009301c22c42$7638e8e0$03f14bd5@ptr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I think that all disks are there. I didn't copy the lib's from the sgroup-server. So I think that the library is complete. All discs you told are on my server. Bye, martin On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 10:59:06PM +0200, P. Vermeeren wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the good work, Martin ! > > I was wondering, the S-50 & S-550 libs are those from the sgroup archives ? > If so, then the following disks below might be missing/wrong etc. > > Maybe the launch of your new site a nice occasion > (well, on a sampler-group, let's say is a nice trigger...) > for the group to try to get the libraries complete ? > > It's about the following disks: > > > --- from the RSB-50 Sound Libraries --- > > RSB-501, disk #10 tenor/sophrano saxophone > RSB-502, disk #1 mallets no.1 (but this might be identical to L503#12 > available elsewhere...) > RSB-502, disk #10 electr. guitar no.1 > RSB-503, disk #8 train ride, air base > RSB-504, disk #6 solo trump & french horn > RSB-505, disk #5 latin perc. no.1 (perhaps identical to disk L503#11 > available elsewhere...) > RSB-505, disk #8 snares > > > --- from the RSB-550 Sound Libraries --- > > RSB-5502, disk #10 stereo drum kit #2 > --> this last one was sent to me by Peter Ullrich (thanks); > if you want/don't have it already I can sent it to you to > add to your site. > > > So if anyone has one of these disks, please spend a > minute or so to make an sdisk image of it and send it to > Martin@FunAndMusic.de, OK ? Would be nice. > > > Thanks / bye, > > Peter > > > site - www.shirtlifter.nl > e-mail - shirtlifter@hetnet.nl > download mp3's - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/shirtlifter2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Martin Wulff > To: SGroup Mailinglist > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:38 PM > Subject: sgroup Homepage, Part 3 > > > > Hi once more, > > > > just in that moment I finished the english version. I think there are > > many mistakes, but I think you will understand everythink, too :-) > > > > please tell me what I have to correct and I will do it. > > > > bye, Martin > > > > > > -- > > eMail : Martin Wulff > > ICQ : 75752326 > > AIM : MuMaWu > > -------------------------------------------- > > Public Key: > > Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 15 20:04:23 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10001>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:04:15 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (hnmail01.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.156]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10002>; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:04:03 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.110]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:00:48 +0200 Message-ID: <009601c22c5d$597c6360$6e9d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Martin Wulff" , "SGroup Mailinglist" References: <20020715163854.D1014@martin.unix-net> <009301c22c42$7638e8e0$03f14bd5@ptr> <20020715231243.E1014@martin.unix-net> Subject: Re: Roland libs / was: Re: sgroup Homepage, Part 3 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:11:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Right, most of them are there, sorry I didn't check all of this before. FWIW, still something going on with the following ones though: > > --- from the RSB-50 Sound Libraries --- > > > > RSB-502, disk #10 electr. guitar no.1 This one is missing. > > RSB-503, disk #8 train ride, air base Not 720k file size. > > RSB-504, disk #6 solo trump & french horn Some distorted samples (digital frenzy). > > RSB-505, disk #5 latin perc. no.1 (perhaps identical to disk L503#11 > > available elsewhere...) The 505_5 is actually 505_4: Latin percussion (also like this at the Lilchips & Sgroup sites). Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: Re: Roland libs / was: Re: sgroup Homepage, Part 3 > Hi, > > I think that all disks are there. I didn't copy the lib's from the > sgroup-server. > So I think that the library is complete. All discs you told are on my > server. > > Bye, martin > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 10:59:06PM +0200, P. Vermeeren wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for the good work, Martin ! > > > > I was wondering, the S-50 & S-550 libs are those from the sgroup archives ? > > If so, then the following disks below might be missing/wrong etc. > > > > Maybe the launch of your new site a nice occasion > > (well, on a sampler-group, let's say is a nice trigger...) > > for the group to try to get the libraries complete ? > > > > It's about the following disks: > > > > > > --- from the RSB-50 Sound Libraries --- > > > > RSB-501, disk #10 tenor/sophrano saxophone > > RSB-502, disk #1 mallets no.1 (but this might be identical to L503#12 > > available elsewhere...) > > RSB-502, disk #10 electr. guitar no.1 > > RSB-503, disk #8 train ride, air base > > RSB-504, disk #6 solo trump & french horn > > RSB-505, disk #5 latin perc. no.1 (perhaps identical to disk L503#11 > > available elsewhere...) > > RSB-505, disk #8 snares > > > > > > --- from the RSB-550 Sound Libraries --- > > > > RSB-5502, disk #10 stereo drum kit #2 > > --> this last one was sent to me by Peter Ullrich (thanks); > > if you want/don't have it already I can sent it to you to > > add to your site. > > > > > > So if anyone has one of these disks, please spend a > > minute or so to make an sdisk image of it and send it to > > Martin@FunAndMusic.de, OK ? Would be nice. > > > > > > Thanks / bye, > > > > Peter > > > > > > site - www.shirtlifter.nl > > e-mail - shirtlifter@hetnet.nl > > download mp3's - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/shirtlifter2 > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 16 08:31:49 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-19366>; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:31:41 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19366>; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:31:34 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6GCVUY55723 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:31:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19366>; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:38:12 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-26-44.tnt2.me2.uunet.de [149.225.26.44]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id MAA00593 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:38:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D32D41D.C13C17EB@cityweb.de> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:54:39 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup roland vp9000 References: <000a01c22b68$21f7b430$233a87d9@mike> <20020715081805.294f18c5.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Fabio FZer0 wrote: > > "Mike Nankivell" disse: > > > I'm desperately trying to get hold of the now discontinued roland > > variphrase prosessor 9000 but everywhere I try seems to be sold > > out.Digital village and Turnkey were both selling them for £600 each a > > couple of months ago but now have nothing left in their stocks. > > Now discontinued? I don't understand Roland. VP was released just three > years ago! :-/ Didn't the VP-9000 come out only two years ago? That's when I first heard of it. I've been waiting for a cheaper and perhaps smaller version since then, like Roland did with their earlier samplers: first the S-550 then the S-330, and first the S-770/750, then the S-760. Hey, Roland, where's the VP-8900 (or whatever it will be called), 1 unit high, almost same features and half the price? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 16 11:13:28 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-19366>; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:13:24 -0400 Received: from hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.23]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19366>; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:13:08 -0400 Received: from smui02.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.25]) by hitchcock.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17UU0W-0003VL-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:12:56 -0400 Received: by smui02.slb.mindspring.net id LAA0000009208; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:12:55 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup roland vp9000 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 216.142.43.178 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Isn't the VP-9000 almost an effects unit, allowing you to take sounds and stretch them, playing almost infinitely with pitch and time? I never got the impression it weas a unit where you'd load up a large bank of sounds and just play it from a keyboard, like the S-760. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 17 08:56:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12243>; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:56:41 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12243>; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:56:26 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6HCuMg28396 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:56:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp1.cp.tin.it (vsmtp1.tin.it [212.216.176.221]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19367>; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:55:39 -0400 Received: from usfltv (212.171.194.29) by smtp1.cp.tin.it (6.5.019) id 3D344EF1000122F7; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:55:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c22d13$738dda20$1dc2abd4@usfltv> Reply-To: "Marco Vettori" From: "Marco Vettori" To: Cc: Subject: sgroup Roland S760 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:54:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22D24.1D217640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22D24.1D217640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good morning, my name is Marco and I'm writing from Florence, Italy. I downloaded all = soundfiles for S750/770 with sdisk utility and my sampler S760 reads the = name of the patches regularly. The problem is when I try to load them = into the sampler. After a few of seconds, I see the message "please disk = no. 1" and I don't know what I have to do because disk loading stops. I = haven't any other disk to load and the manual is not clear for this = message. Could you please help me for this case. Thank you very much, sorry for my English and kind regards. Marco ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22D24.1D217640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good morning,
my name is Marco and I'm writing from = Florence,=20 Italy. I downloaded all soundfiles for S750/770 with sdisk utility and = my=20 sampler S760 reads the name of the patches regularly. The problem is = when I try=20 to load them into the sampler. After a few of seconds, I see the message = "please=20 disk no. 1" and I don't know what I have to do because disk loading = stops.=20 I haven't any other disk to load and the manual is not clear for this = message.=20 Could you please help me for this case.
Thank you very much, sorry for my = English and kind=20 regards.
Marco
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C22D24.1D217640-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 17 17:44:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12242>; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:44:26 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12242>; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:44:20 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.87.40]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020717214416.XFFH6994.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:44:16 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c22dd9$ed7c61a0$2857580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup What's The Easiest Way Too. . . . . Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:35:51 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C22DB8.6588ED20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C22DB8.6588ED20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Guys, I accidentally lost my S760 manual. I never had to do this since I was = comfortable with the way things were setup in Patches, but I'd like to = remap some menus and some key placements of certain sounds within the = percussion menus on the Rhythm Section Instruments Vol 1 (same as the = LCDP01 Drums & Cymbals). The deal is, I have some auxiliary percussion parts that I triggered = using real congas and cowbells MIDIed into the S760 to use the sounds on = that CDROM. The key placements include the Low Conga on E, The Middle on = Eb and the Higher one on D. I'd like to switch it so it's Low Conga on = D, Middle on Eb and Higher on E (more intuitive).=20 I've looked at the SPLIT menu in the PATCH menu. This isn't quite as = easy as it is on my Roland XP60. Anyone have any clue before I run out = to Rogue Music to pick up a copy of the Roland S760 Advanced Manual? Thanks, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C22DB8.6588ED20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Guys,
 
I accidentally lost my S760 manual. I = never had to=20 do this since I was comfortable with the way things were setup in = Patches, but=20 I'd like to remap some menus and some key placements of certain sounds = within=20 the percussion menus on the Rhythm Section Instruments Vol 1 (same as = the LCDP01=20 Drums & Cymbals).
 
The deal is, I have some auxiliary = percussion parts=20 that I triggered using real congas and cowbells MIDIed into the S760 to = use the=20 sounds on that CDROM. The key placements include the Low Conga on E, The = Middle=20 on Eb and the Higher one on D. I'd like to switch it so it's Low Conga = on D,=20 Middle on Eb and Higher on E (more intuitive).
 
I've looked at the SPLIT menu in the = PATCH menu.=20 This isn't quite as easy as it is on my Roland XP60. Anyone have any = clue before=20 I run out to Rogue Music to pick up a copy of the Roland S760 Advanced=20 Manual?
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 17 19:11:41 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-12242>; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:11:35 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-12242>; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:11:25 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9EB1918.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.25.24]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA09890 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:11:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6HN9kI02793 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:09:46 +0200 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:09:45 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: Re: sgroup Homepage, Part 3 Message-ID: <20020718010945.C1012@martin.unix-net> References: <20020715163854.D1014@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, thanks for your help. I've corrected all mistakes. But if anyone has the time, please check the other sites if there are mistakes, too. thanks again. Bye, Martin On Thu, Jul 18, 2002 at 12:54:04AM +0200, Colin Shapiro wrote: > Hi Martin > >just in that moment I finished the english version. I think there are > >many mistakes, but I think you will understand everythink, too :-) > > > >please tell me what I have to correct and I will do it. > > Thanks for putting up this site!! > You asked us to correct mistakes: I have typed in brackets > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Welcome! > > On this site you can find Systemsoftware, Samples, Tools and Info's > about the Roland S-330 Digital Sampler. But there are even Samples > for other S-Serie Sampler. But this site needs your help. > Anyone who wants to share his Samples with others or anyone who has > nice Tools can send me those to: Martin@FunAndMusic.de > > I want to tell you about the *Sgroup* mailinglist either "either" - use "also". There you can asked other users about > S-Series Samplers and get good help. Here is the URL: > www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup . > > There you can find Info's and even a library with the complete Roland > S-Series Sound-Library. But you can find it on this server, too. > > A little note about the Tools: All you can find > here is Freeware, Shareware or Evulation-Software > . Please check if there are copyrights or > lizences you have to preserve. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Great work! > Thanks again - Colin -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 18 14:08:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-25761>; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:08:44 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.47]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25761>; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:08:33 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.85.185]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020718180826.OWXZ15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:08:26 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c22e84$f0572940$b955580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C115C@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Subject: Re: sgroup What's The Easiest Way Too. . . . . Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:00:00 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C22E63.6852EBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C22E63.6852EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Detko. Raplh, Thanks so much for your reply. This information is very useful. I tried = doing some of this yesterday, but after reading your mail, I have a = better understanding.=20 Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca=20 To: evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net=20 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: RE: sgroup What's The Easiest Way Too. . . . .=20 (Egads, a 760 w/no manual!) =20 I'm using the monitor/mouse display. =20 Before you change the partial assigned to a note, remember that the = original sample key will affect how the sound comes out. Therefore, = before you change the lo conga from E to D, you have to change the = original sample key from E to D, or the sample will sound too low. =20 You probably know this part, but for changing the partial assigned to = a note, in the Split menu, choose the note of interest, then assign the = sample you want: Select "E", then change the partial to high conga;=20 no change to Eb;=20 move to "D" and change the partial to "D" and change the partial to lo = conga. Make sure the partial is set to sound only on "one key" and not a = range. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:36 PM To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup What's The Easiest Way Too. . . . .=20 Hey Guys, I accidentally lost my S760 manual. I never had to do this since I = was comfortable with the way things were setup in Patches, but I'd like = to remap some menus and some key placements of certain sounds within the = percussion menus on the Rhythm Section Instruments Vol 1 (same as the = LCDP01 Drums & Cymbals). The deal is, I have some auxiliary percussion parts that I triggered = using real congas and cowbells MIDIed into the S760 to use the sounds on = that CDROM. The key placements include the Low Conga on E, The Middle on = Eb and the Higher one on D. I'd like to switch it so it's Low Conga on = D, Middle on Eb and Higher on E (more intuitive).=20 I've looked at the SPLIT menu in the PATCH menu. This isn't quite as = easy as it is on my Roland XP60. Anyone have any clue before I run out = to Rogue Music to pick up a copy of the Roland S760 Advanced Manual? Thanks, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C22E63.6852EBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Detko. Raplh,
 
Thanks so much for your reply. This = information is=20 very useful. I tried doing some of this yesterday, but after reading = your mail,=20 I have a better understanding.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca
To: evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net=20
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 = 10:04=20 AM
Subject: RE: sgroup What's The = Easiest=20 Way Too. . . . .

(Egads, a 760 w/no=20 manual!)
 
I'm using the monitor/mouse=20 display.
 
Before you change the partial = assigned to a=20 note, remember that the original sample key will affect how the sound = comes=20 out. Therefore, before you change the lo conga from E to D, you have = to change=20 the original sample key from E to D, or the sample will sound too=20 low.
 
You probably know this part, but = for changing=20 the partial assigned to a note, in the = Split menu,=20 choose the note of interest, then assign the sample you=20 want:
Select "E", then change = the partial to=20 high conga;
no=20 change to Eb;
move to "D" and change = the partial to=20 "D" and change the partial to lo conga.
Make sure the partial is set = to sound=20 only on "one key" and not a range.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Everton, = Jr.=20 [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, = July 17,=20 2002 5:36 PM
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject: = sgroup=20 What's The Easiest Way Too. . . . .

Hey Guys,
 
I accidentally lost my S760 manual. = I never had=20 to do this since I was comfortable with the way things were setup in = Patches, but I'd like to remap some menus and some key placements of = certain=20 sounds within the percussion menus on the Rhythm Section Instruments = Vol 1=20 (same as the LCDP01 Drums & Cymbals).
 
The deal is, I have some auxiliary = percussion=20 parts that I triggered using real congas and cowbells MIDIed into = the S760=20 to use the sounds on that CDROM. The key placements include the Low = Conga on=20 E, The Middle on Eb and the Higher one on D. I'd like to switch it = so it's=20 Low Conga on D, Middle on Eb and Higher on E (more intuitive). =
 
I've looked at the SPLIT menu in = the PATCH=20 menu. This isn't quite as easy as it is on my Roland XP60. Anyone = have any=20 clue before I run out to Rogue Music to pick up a copy of the Roland = S760=20 Advanced Manual?
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C22E63.6852EBE0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 18 17:55:45 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-25761>; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:55:37 -0400 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25761>; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:55:34 -0400 Received: from host213-122-49-206.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.49.206]) by protactinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17VJFA-0006NM-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:55:29 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:00:37 -0400 Subject: sgroup S-770 Monitor types? From: Mark J Foster To: S Group Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi All, It's my first time here - glad I found this list! I've had a S-770 for about a year and want to make more use of it as I am finding myself using it as my main sampler as it is so powerful and sounds so good. I want to use it with a screen as I am fed up using it with the small LCD - and my backlight has gone - any tips on what screen and how to find one? I don't want to use a television and want to have a colour monitor to make the most use of the features in the S-770. I thought about finding one at a local computer exchange shop but have no idea what type of screen is compatible. Can someone give the correct term to ask for. I also thought about finding one on Ebay but again have no idea what I am searching for. Thanks for your time, Artifice - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 18 20:01:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-25761>; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:00:58 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25761>; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:00:52 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6J00j935244 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:00:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-12243>; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:07:29 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-50-49.tnt8.me2.uunet.de [149.225.50.49]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id SAA15593 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:07:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D359512.840F5432@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:02:30 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Roland S760 References: <000801c22d13$738dda20$1dc2abd4@usfltv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Marco Vettori wrote: > > Good morning, > my name is Marco and I'm writing from Florence, Italy. I downloaded > all soundfiles for S750/770 with sdisk utility and my sampler S760 > reads the name of the patches regularly. The problem is when I try > to load them into the sampler. After a few of seconds, I see the > message "please disk no. 1" and I don't know what I have to do > because disk loading stops. I haven't any other disk to load and the > manual is not clear for this message. Could you please help me for > this case. Some of the S-760 samples are on multiple disk sets, for instance the L-707-1&2 Classic GTR consists of two disks, and you have to make disks of both disk images - L707_1.ZIP *and* L707_2.ZIP - to make use of the samples. It's been a long time since I loaded multiple disk sets, but I think at least sometimes it is required that you insert the first of the disks at the end of the procedure once again. However, the S-760 tells you what to do. If you have other problems with multiple disk sets let us know which disks these are. I think one disk set on the sgroup site isn't complete. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 18 20:01:15 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-25761>; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:01:09 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25761>; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:00:59 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6J00rM35260 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:00:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25761>; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:53:39 -0400 Received: from host213-122-49-206.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.49.206]) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17VJDJ-0004fS-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:53:33 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:58:51 -0400 Subject: sgroup S-770 Monitor types? From: Artifice To: S Group Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi All, It's my first time here - glad I found this list! I've had a S-770 for about a year and want to make more use of it as I am finding myself using it as my main sampler as it is so powerful and sounds so good. I want to use it with a screen as I am fed up using it with the small LCD - and my backlight has gone - any tips on what screen and how to find one? I don't want to use a television and want to have a colour monitor to make the most use of the features in the S-770. I thought about finding one at a local computer exchange shop but have no idea what type of screen is compatible. Can someone give the correct term to ask for. I also thought about finding one on Ebay but again have no idea what I am searching for. Thanks for your time, Artifice - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 19 12:31:56 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-19347>; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:31:48 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-19347>; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:31:42 -0400 Received: from [155.239.73.96] (ndf53-06-96.gt.saix.net [155.239.73.96]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6JGVX35007320 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:31:34 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:31:11 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: sgroup Missing disks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Martin, I finished downloading all of your files. Thanks once again for posting these. I notice 1 missing disk: RSB-5503 #3 Maybe you forgot..... if not, I have a copy of it. Now, what about the RSB-5506 series? I have no's 1-8 and no 10 if you need them. These grand old disks are collector's items so let's keep the collection complete. Best regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jul 20 03:54:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-25732>; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:54:46 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25732>; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:54:32 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD951708C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.112.140]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18518 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:54:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6K7qqD01374 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:52:52 +0200 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 03:52:52 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Sampledisks for the website Message-ID: <20020720095252.C1014@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, after some of you told me that there are some disks that aren't on my website I ask you: who has sampledisks for the S-50 / S-550 / S-330 that aren't on my website? www.mwm-studios.d2g.com I know that there are many disks. I have some, but only some. But I would be happy if I could get all disks of the Roland Sound-Library, cause I want to build a complete library. For me and for all of you! Btw.: I need the following disks, cause they are broken: RSB-502-10 RSB-503-8 RSB-504-6 RSB-505-4 RSB-505-5 Bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jul 20 11:39:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-25733>; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:39:34 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25733>; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:39:28 -0400 Received: from [155.239.64.135] (ndf54-01-p66.gt.saix.net [155.239.64.66]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KFaj37011407 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:39:01 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020720095252.C1014@martin.unix-net> References: <20020720095252.C1014@martin.unix-net> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 11:36:23 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Martin & others, I have a lot of S550 disks that are from a different series: L501 to L509 I seem to recall that these are the same as disks in the RSB series but numbered differently. Does anyone have a comparison list? >Btw.: I need the following disks, cause they are broken: > >RSB-502-10 >RSB-503-8 >RSB-504-6 >RSB-505-4 >RSB-505-5 Please tell me the NAMES of these disks (eg Woodwind Vol2) and I'll look in the L-series I mentioned above. I also have many other disks from various sources. I've sent Martin one file as a test. If the format is okay, I'll upload lots more. Best regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jul 20 12:48:09 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-25733>; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:48:02 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net090s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25733>; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:47:58 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.142]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:49:45 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c2300e$4bd634c0$8ef14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: , "Colin Shapiro" References: <20020720095252.C1014@martin.unix-net> Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:55:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I've seen the L501-L503 mentioned on a W30-related site, 15 disks in total. Good to hear there are more up to L509, but indeed, wondering if these are not simply renumbered. A least a few RSB-disks are the same as from this L-series. Anyway, the 15 disks mentioned above are at: http://komputermatrix.com/eim/w30/w30sounds.htm Bye, Peter site - www.shirtlifter.nl e-mail - shirtlifter@hetnet.nl download mp3's - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/shirtlifter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Shapiro To: Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website > Hi Martin & others, > > I have a lot of S550 disks that are from a different series: L501 to L509 > I seem to recall that these are the same as disks in the RSB series > but numbered differently. Does anyone have a comparison list? > > >Btw.: I need the following disks, cause they are broken: > > > >RSB-502-10 > >RSB-503-8 > >RSB-504-6 > >RSB-505-4 > >RSB-505-5 > > Please tell me the NAMES of these disks (eg Woodwind Vol2) and I'll > look in the L-series I mentioned above. > I also have many other disks from various sources. > I've sent Martin one file as a test. If the format is okay, I'll > upload lots more. > > Best regards - Colin > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jul 20 19:47:09 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-25733>; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:47:03 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25733>; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:46:52 -0400 Received: from [155.239.65.13] (ndf54-01-p269.gt.saix.net [155.239.65.13]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KNkb35015185 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 01:46:37 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001c2300e$4bd634c0$8ef14bd5@ptr> References: <20020720095252.C1014@martin.unix-net> <001001c2300e$4bd634c0$8ef14bd5@ptr> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:46:13 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I've seen the L501-L503 mentioned on a W30-related site, 15 disks in total. >Good to hear there are more up to L509, but indeed, wondering if these are >not simply renumbered. A least a few RSB-disks are the same as from this >L-series. > >Anyway, the 15 disks mentioned above are at: > >http://komputermatrix.com/eim/w30/w30sounds.htm Thanks Peter. I don't have all the L-series unfortunately. I managed to get a lot of them way back when the S550 was the "hot new sampler". If I have time, I'm going to dig through my disks and upload what I can. Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jul 21 16:29:02 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-29192>; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:28:55 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net088s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-29192>; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:28:45 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.168]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:30:26 +0200 Message-ID: <002a01c230f6$4b7a75c0$a8f14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: , "Colin Shapiro" References: <20020720095252.C1014@martin.unix-net><001001c2300e$4bd634c0$8ef14bd5@ptr> Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:36:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, As far as seemingly identical disks go, the RSB-505 #5 Latin Percussion #1 is identical to L-503 #11 (judging on patch names). (However, in the various web-libraries this RSB-disk is in fact the RSB-505 #4 Indian Percussion. So here you have the possibility to add a new disk.) I don't know of other 'identicalities' between RSB- & L-libs. Colin, some other of your L-disks already present in the RSB-library ? Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Shapiro To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 1:46 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website > >I've seen the L501-L503 mentioned on a W30-related site, 15 disks in total. > >Good to hear there are more up to L509, but indeed, wondering if these are > >not simply renumbered. A least a few RSB-disks are the same as from this > >L-series. > > > >Anyway, the 15 disks mentioned above are at: > > > >http://komputermatrix.com/eim/w30/w30sounds.htm > > Thanks Peter. > I don't have all the L-series unfortunately. I managed to get a lot > of them way back when the S550 was the "hot new sampler". > > If I have time, I'm going to dig through my disks and upload what I can. > > Regards - Colin > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jul 21 23:05:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-29192>; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:05:17 -0400 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-29192>; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:05:10 -0400 Received: from gonzo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.242] helo=gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17WTVN-0002TV-00; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:05:01 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6M351a00658; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:05:01 -0400 From: To: Peter.Vermeeren@hetnet.nl Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca, musos@icon.co.za Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.121.115.180 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I do have the disks that I am try to get ready to send to mellon for the SGROUP: RSB 502_1 Mallets RSB 505_8 Assorted Snare RSB 501_10 Tenor/Soprano Sax RSB 503-8 Airbase I am trying to put them on "out" format. Having trouble.reading them into the computer. The disks are good. They read into the sampler. I will try to format the disks in the computer, write a sound file "out" file to them. With that disk, I will save the wanted sound file from the 550 and maybe it will read in the computer. Also the 770 library "out" files, am having trouble with L706_1, L706_2, L708_4, and L708_5. I got them to write to floppy, but when I try to load into the 750, they look like good disks but have "0" seconds" and "no files". In all cases here, I am trying everything, Reloading everything up to new download from SGROUP to using both SDISK and FLOPPY IMAGE. All other 770 disks loaded fine, except the noted ones in "error.txt". On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:36:29 -0400 "P. Vermeeren" wrote: Hi, As far as seemingly identical disks go, the RSB-505 #5 Latin Percussion #1 is identical to L-503 #11 (judging on patch names). (However, in the various web-libraries this RSB-disk is in fact the RSB-505 #4 Indian Percussion. So here you have the possibility to add a new disk.) I don't know of other 'identicalities' between RSB- & L-libs. Colin, some other of your L-disks already present in the RSB-library ? Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Shapiro To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 1:46 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website > >I've seen the L501-L503 mentioned on a W30-related site, 15 disks in total. > >Good to hear there are more up to L509, but indeed, wondering if these are > >not simply renumbered. A least a few RSB-disks are the same as from this > >L-series. > > > >Anyway, the 15 disks mentioned above are at: > > > >http://komputermatrix.com/eim/w30/w30sounds.htm > > Thanks Peter. > I don't have all the L-series unfortunately. I managed to get a lot > of them way back when the S550 was the "hot new sampler". > > If I have time, I'm going to dig through my disks and upload what I can. > > Regards - Colin > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 22 07:33:14 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-4443>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:33:05 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net ([196.25.240.74]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4443>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:32:55 -0400 Received: from [155.239.65.122] (ndf53-06-114.gt.saix.net [155.239.73.114]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MBWiCO010208 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:32:45 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:32:18 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I am trying to put them on "out" format. Having trouble.reading them into the >computer. The disks are good. They read into the sampler. > >I will try to format the disks in the computer, write a sound file "out" file >to them. With that disk, I will save the wanted sound file from the 550 and >maybe it will read in the computer. I don't know if you're on Mac or PC - whichever way, you need SDisk or SMac to read and write Roland format disks. (There are other apps too, like D-soundPro). These should be on the sgroup site. Just launch the app, and then put your Roland disk in the drive. Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 22 13:59:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-4442>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:59:35 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4442>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:59:19 -0400 Received: from kermit.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.241] helo=kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17WhSj-0006pC-00; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:59:13 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6MHxCM07282; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:59:12 -0400 From: To: musos@icon.co.za Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have succesfully used SDisk to load the entire 770 soundfiles to my harddrive on the 750 Sampler. I pretty much know how to use the program on the (PC). I am having a problem with reading the 770 series that I mentioned where I have a good disk but no files. On the S550 disks, it won't read the, originally formated on 550, disks even though they are good. I know when trying to write to the 1.44 disks to the 770, they had to be formatted disk by the PC. Maybe this is the same problem with trying to read the 550 disks. Randy On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:32:18 -0400 Colin Shapiro wrote: >I am trying to put them on "out" format. Having trouble.reading them into the >computer. The disks are good. They read into the sampler. > >I will try to format the disks in the computer, write a sound file "out" file >to them. With that disk, I will save the wanted sound file from the 550 and >maybe it will read in the computer. I don't know if you're on Mac or PC - whichever way, you need SDisk or SMac to read and write Roland format disks. (There are other apps too, like D-soundPro). These should be on the sgroup site. Just launch the app, and then put your Roland disk in the drive. Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 22 17:37:12 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-4442>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:37:06 -0400 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4442>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:36:56 -0400 Received: from Complexnyc@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.39.2a6444ed (18254) for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:36:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Complexnyc@aol.com Message-ID: <39.2a6444ed.2a6dd4f1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:36:49 -0400 Subject: sgroup Roland S750 4 sale To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'm selling a Roland S750 with a monochrome monitor and 135mb Syquest drive. 8 outputs, SCSI and mouse. Cables and manuals included. Can be connected to a digital RGB monitor as well. In working order and excellent condition. Expansion board not installed. Lots of sounds on floppy discs and 7 blank syquest discs. NYC area pick up please. All this for $600. email off list if interested. -Viktor www.steelcore.com www.mp3.com/positivecomplex Join the e-List: complexnyc-subscribe@yahoogroups.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 22 21:45:01 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-4443>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:44:56 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4442>; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:44:45 -0400 Received: from [155.239.79.23] (ndf53-07-23.gt.saix.net [155.239.79.23]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6N1iQ35014537 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:44:27 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:44:02 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: sgroup LOTS of new disks coming Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi folks, It's Xmas in July! I went a little crazy and sorted out the whole L-series set of disks. This was a different set of Roland Factory disks containing lots of exotic sounds. There are 29 disks (!!!!!) that I will send to Martin over the next few days. (if he can handle the traffic) Get those modems running....... Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 06:58:38 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:58:33 -0400 Received: from relay-2.m.channel4.co.uk ([216.239.208.98]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:58:17 -0400 Received: from fw-1 (fw-qfe3.channel4.co.uk [216.239.208.110]) by relay-2.m.channel4.co.uk (OBJL-MAIL-2.3-CTL) with SMTP for id KAA19458; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:56:59 GMT Received: from ([150.135.97.133]) by fw-1; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:55:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: by CAMOMILE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:57:55 -0000 Message-ID: <7F48CDC05EA8D511AE6F009027DCF3C424F493@HEMLOCK> From: Paul Boobyer To: "'sgroup@lists.uunet.ca'" Subject: sgroup Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:58:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:58:28 -0400 Hi all Could someone please post the sysex message list for the S330? - I don't have a manual and Roland UK want to charge the astronomical price of =A33= 0 for one. I want to control filter parameters etc from Cubase. Wouldn't it be great if all the s-series manuals could be posted on this site, or are we talking copyright issues? The only one I can find on the net is for the S220.=20 Thanks=20 Paul B Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessari= ly represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specificall= y stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intend= ed solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addresse= d. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster@channel4.co.uk - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 10:22:08 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:21:59 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f24.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.165.24]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:21:47 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:21:41 -0700 Received: from 205.188.209.105 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:21:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.209.105] From: "brad allen" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup os 225 dart ? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:21:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 14:21:41.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[44049D70:01C23254] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk



I went to the sgroup page for the 770 os and downloaded the 225 dart file. (I guess that's the one I need...)  I assume I should put it on a floopy and stick that in the drive. ( I not so bright sumtime)  Now I guess there must be something special I need to do to update my os?

Sorry to be such a newbie

Brad

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- Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 13:27:09 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:03 -0400 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com ([65.24.0.112]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:26:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (grv230021.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.21]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6NHQoU12973 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:26:46 -0400 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8943504986.20020723132646@columbus.rr.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup 2 midi controllers??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have a Roland S50. I use a Roland PK-5 midi pedal board to play keyboard lines with my feet while I play bass. Recently I've begun playing a Chapman Stick that has a midi pickup and a Roland GR-33 (can you tell I'm a Roland fan?) My question is... I there a device that will allow both my GR-33 and my PK-5 to act as controllers to the S-50? Some type of midi switcher? Thanks, Len BTW - My main bass is a Roland G-77. I've been inspired ever since I was a kid and saw the bass player for a band called "Art of Noise." Although I think he used Akai samplers with his Roland bass. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 13:56:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:56:26 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:56:20 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9EB10E1.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.16.225]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA26478 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:56:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6NHsJE02554 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:54:19 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:54:19 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: Re: sgroup 2 midi controllers??? Message-ID: <20020723195419.K1096@martin.unix-net> References: <8943504986.20020723132646@columbus.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8943504986.20020723132646@columbus.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, yes, you can use somethink called "Midi Merger". I have such a merger from "Philip Rees" It is called "little 2M" but there is a 5M and 9M too. You can merge 2 / 5 or even 9 midi-devices on one. The other way is you use a Midi-Patchbay with merging function. Then you can switch between the devices an/or merge some together. If you want something from Roland you can look after the A-880. I have an A-880 too. it's great. That my Midi Switcher/Merger for my 3 S-330 :-) bye, Martin On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 01:26:46PM -0400, Gaffa wrote: > > I have a Roland S50. I use a Roland PK-5 midi pedal board to play > keyboard lines with my feet while I play bass. Recently I've begun > playing a Chapman Stick that has a midi pickup and a Roland GR-33 (can > you tell I'm a Roland fan?) > > My question is... I there a device that will allow both my GR-33 and > my PK-5 to act as controllers to the S-50? Some type of midi > switcher? > > Thanks, > Len > > BTW - My main bass is a Roland G-77. I've been inspired ever since I > was a kid and saw the bass player for a band called "Art of Noise." > Although I think he used Akai samplers with his Roland bass. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 14:23:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:22:56 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:22:41 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9EB10E1.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.16.225]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16732 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:22:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6NIKek02659 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:20:40 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:20:40 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Sounds from D-110 Message-ID: <20020723202040.L1096@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, does anyone have samples from the Roland D-110? I'm searching for the Drums and the Accordion. Can anyone send me some samples in S-330 / S-50 oder S-550 format? bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 14:31:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:31:44 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:31:41 -0400 Received: from ernie.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.243] helo=ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17X4Re-000049-00; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:31:38 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6NIVcC00803; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:31:37 -0400 From: To: bradallenmusic@hotmail.com Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: sgroup Sdisk and fixing libraryu Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:52:47 -0400 brad allen wrote: Greetings all, I am hoping someone can tell me where to find drivers for the s770. I have 3 different CD drives and the 770 won't see any of them so I am hoping it is only that I need new drivers. TIA for any assistance Brad  >From: >Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com >To: musos@icon.co.za >CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:59:12 -0400 > >I have succesfully used SDisk to load the entire >770 soundfiles to my harddrive on the 750 Sampler. I pretty much know how to >use the program on the (PC). I am having a problem with reading the 770 >series that I mentioned where I have a good disk but no files. On the S550 >disks, it won't read the, originally formated on > >550, disks even though they are good. I know when trying to write to the 1.44 > >disks to the 770, they had to be formatted disk by the PC. Maybe this is the >same problem with trying to read the 550 disks. > > > >Randy > > > >On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:32:18 -0400 Colin Shapiro wrote: > > > > >I am trying to put them on "out" format. Having trouble.reading them into >the > > >computer. The disks are good. They read into the sampler. > > > > > >I will try to format the disks in the computer, write a sound file "out" file > > > >to them. With that disk, I will save the wanted sound file from the 550 and > > >maybe it will read in the computer. > > > >I don't know if you're on Mac or PC - whichever way, you need SDisk > >or SMac to read and write Roland format disks. (There are other apps > >too, like D-soundPro). These should be on the sgroup site. Just > >launch the app, and then put your Roland disk in the drive. > > > >Regards - Colin > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 14:35:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:35:48 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.12]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:35:37 -0400 Received: from ernie.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.243] helo=ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17X4VR-0007Gw-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:35:33 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6NIZWf02013 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:35:32 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have pretty much tried everything to get FloppyImage or Sdisk to read my S550 files. I am trying to replace 4 of the Sgroup's library files for the S50. But when I try to read them in, I get 2/3 of the way and then it has trouble. I don't think its the media or something I am doing wrong with the application. I've tried using 1.44 disks formatted to 720 (in made things worse) and using different brand disks. My opinion at this point is that the drive that I am using is a 720/1.44 drive, and that the head gap on these drives are compromised for both media. I may have to use a DD drive or just a better drive. I noticed the trouble with the reading is only happening at the innner tracks. Does anybody have same experience with this. I'm having no trouble sending files to the S550. My method now is, and I've verified every step of the way, is to format a 720 disk in the computer. Sdisk a S50 or S550 "out" file to the disk to initialize the disk as a sound disk so I can use it to "save" in the S550. I then load in my target sound file into the S550 (Set1). I then use the prepared PC floppy to save the target sound on the disk in the S550. Good so far. When I try to read the file with Sdisk, it has trouble with the latter half of the disk. I eventually create a file, but it is a 400K file instead of the 720K image. It's difficult to help out with the missing library sound files if I can't convert my good S550 floppies to "out" files. Randy On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:52:47 -0400 brad allen wrote: Greetings all, I am hoping someone can tell me where to find drivers for the s770. I have 3 different CD drives and the 770 won't see any of them so I am hoping it is only that I need new drivers. TIA for any assistance Brad  >From: >Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com >To: musos@icon.co.za >CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:59:12 -0400 > >I have succesfully used SDisk to load the entire >770 soundfiles to my harddrive on the 750 Sampler. I pretty much know how to >use the program on the (PC). I am having a problem with reading the 770 >series that I mentioned where I have a good disk but no files. On the S550 >disks, it won't read the, originally formated on > >550, disks even though they are good. I know when trying to write to the 1.44 > >disks to the 770, they had to be formatted disk by the PC. Maybe this is the >same problem with trying to read the 550 disks. > > > >Randy > > > >On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:32:18 -0400 Colin Shapiro wrote: > > > > >I am trying to put them on "out" format. Having trouble.reading them into >the > > >computer. The disks are good. They read into the sampler. > > > > > >I will try to format the disks in the computer, write a sound file "out" file > > > >to them. With that disk, I will save the wanted sound file from the 550 and > > >maybe it will read in the computer. > > > >I don't know if you're on Mac or PC - whichever way, you need SDisk > >or SMac to read and write Roland format disks. (There are other apps > >too, like D-soundPro). These should be on the sgroup site. Just > >launch the app, and then put your Roland disk in the drive. > > > >Regards - Colin > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 14:49:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:48:53 -0400 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:48:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 4556 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2002 18:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homepc) (68.42.81.63) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2002 18:48:45 -0000 From: "Javier Barrios" To: , Subject: RE: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c23279$63545ce0$3f512a44@westln01.mi.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The other thing to do is use 720k disks. I know they are hard to find but you can go to http://www/pricewatch.com and do a search for media 720k disks and you should be able to find some NEW in the boxes. Javier M. Barrios 29006 Manchester Westland, MI 48185 javiermbarrios@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca] On Behalf Of rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:36 PM To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library I have pretty much tried everything to get FloppyImage or Sdisk to read my S550 files. I am trying to replace 4 of the Sgroup's library files for the S50. But when I try to read them in, I get 2/3 of the way and then it has trouble. I don't think its the media or something I am doing wrong with the application. I've tried using 1.44 disks formatted to 720 (in made things worse) and using different brand disks. My opinion at this point is that the drive that I am using is a 720/1.44 drive, and that the head gap on these drives are compromised for both media. I may have to use a DD drive or just a better drive. I noticed the trouble with the reading is only happening at the innner tracks. Does anybody have same experience with this. I'm having no trouble sending files to the S550. =20 My method now is, and I've verified every step of the way, is to format a 720 disk in the computer. Sdisk a S50 or S550 "out" file to the disk to initialize the disk as a sound disk so I can use it to "save" in the S550. I then load in my target sound file into the S550 (Set1). I then use the prepared PC floppy to save the target sound on the disk in the S550. Good so far. When I try to read the file with Sdisk, it has trouble with the latter half of the disk. I eventually create a file, but it is a 400K file instead of the 720K image. It's difficult to help out with the missing library sound files if I can't convert my good S550 floppies to "out" files. Randy On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:52:47 -0400 brad allen wrote: Greetings all, I am hoping someone can tell me where to find drivers for the s770. I have 3 different CD drives and the 770 won't see any of them so I am hoping it is only that I need new drivers. TIA for any assistance Brad=A0 >From:=20 >Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com=20 >To: musos@icon.co.za=20 >CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 >Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website=20 >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:59:12 -0400=20 >=20 >I have succesfully used SDisk to load the entire=20 >770 soundfiles to my harddrive on the 750 Sampler. I pretty much know how to=20 >use the program on the (PC). I am having a problem with reading the 770 >series that I mentioned where I have a good disk but no files. On the S550=20 >disks, it won't read the, originally formated on=20 >=20 >550, disks even though they are good. I know when trying to write to the 1.44 >=20 >disks to the 770, they had to be formatted disk by the PC. Maybe this is the=20 >same problem with trying to read the 550 disks.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Randy=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:32:18 -0400 Colin Shapiro wrote:=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >I am trying to put them on "out" format. Having trouble.reading them into=20 >the=20 >=20 > >computer. The disks are good. They read into the sampler.=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >I will try to format the disks in the computer, write a sound file "out" file=20 >=20 >=20 > >to them. With that disk, I will save the wanted sound file from the 550 and >=20 > >maybe it will read in the computer.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >I don't know if you're on Mac or PC - whichever way, you need SDisk=20 >=20 >or SMac to read and write Roland format disks. (There are other apps=20 >=20 >too, like D-soundPro). These should be on the sgroup site. Just=20 >=20 >launch the app, and then put your Roland disk in the drive.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >Regards - Colin=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >-=20 >=20 >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca=20 >=20 >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca=20 >=20 >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >-=20 >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca=20 >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca=20 >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.=20 Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 17:00:14 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:00:06 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net088s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:59:55 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.240.67]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:01:46 +0200 Message-ID: <002401c2328d$02f6c720$43f04bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:07:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'm sorry, bit in a hurry here so may very well haven't read your post accurate enough ... but: have you also closed the 1.44 MB hole ? Maybe a stupid remark, but if I remember it correctly for em it was indeed necessary to cover/tape the 1.44 MB-hole on the HD-disks I used. That's it for now, bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library > I have pretty much tried everything to get FloppyImage or Sdisk to read my > S550 files. I am trying to replace 4 of the Sgroup's library files for the > S50. But when I try to read them in, I get 2/3 of the way and then it has > trouble. I don't think its the media or something I am doing wrong with the > application. I've tried using 1.44 disks formatted to 720 (in made things > worse) and using different brand disks. My opinion at this point is that the > drive that I am using is a 720/1.44 drive, and that the head gap on these > drives are compromised for both media. I may have to use a DD drive or just a > better drive. I noticed the trouble with the reading is only happening at the > innner tracks. > > Does anybody have same experience with this. I'm having no trouble sending > files to the S550. > > My method now is, and I've verified every step of the way, is to format a 720 > disk in the computer. Sdisk a S50 or S550 "out" file to the disk to > initialize the disk as a sound disk so I can use it to "save" in the S550. I > then load in my target sound file into the S550 (Set1). I then use the > prepared PC floppy to save the target sound on the disk in the S550. Good so > far. When I try to read the file with Sdisk, it has trouble with the latter > half of the disk. I eventually create a file, but it is a 400K file instead > of the 720K image. > > It's difficult to help out with the missing library sound files if I can't > convert my good S550 floppies to "out" files. > > Randy > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:52:47 -0400 brad allen > wrote: > > > > > Greetings all, > > I am hoping someone can tell me where to find drivers for the s770. I have 3 > different CD drives and the 770 won't see any of them so I am hoping it is > only that I need new drivers. > > TIA for any assistance > > Brad > > > >From: > >Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com > >To: musos@icon.co.za > >CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > >Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website > >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:59:12 -0400 > > > >I have succesfully used SDisk to load the entire > >770 soundfiles to my harddrive on the 750 Sampler. I pretty much know how to > > >use the program on the (PC). I am having a problem with reading the 770 > >series that I mentioned where I have a good disk but no files. On the S550 > >disks, it won't read the, originally formated on > > > >550, disks even though they are good. I know when trying to write to the 1.44 > > > > >disks to the 770, they had to be formatted disk by the PC. Maybe this is the > > >same problem with trying to read the 550 disks. > > > > > > > >Randy > > > > > > > >On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:32:18 -0400 Colin Shapiro wrote: > > > > > > > > >I am trying to put them on "out" format. Having trouble.reading them into > >the > > > > >computer. The disks are good. They read into the sampler. > > > > > > > > > >I will try to format the disks in the computer, write a sound file "out" > file > > > > > > >to them. With that disk, I will save the wanted sound file from the 550 and > > > > > >maybe it will read in the computer. > > > > > > > >I don't know if you're on Mac or PC - whichever way, you need SDisk > > > >or SMac to read and write Roland format disks. (There are other apps > > > >too, like D-soundPro). These should be on the sgroup site. Just > > > >launch the app, and then put your Roland disk in the drive. > > > > > > > >Regards - Colin > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: href='http://g.msn.com/1HM1ENUS/c152??PI=44364'>Click Here > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 17:08:56 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:08:47 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net015s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.155]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:08:36 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.240.67]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:10:20 +0200 Message-ID: <003901c2328e$360c0f20$43f04bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: , "Colin Shapiro" References: Subject: Re: sgroup LOTS of new disks coming Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:16:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Colin, Very cool, thanks. Apart from those fifteen L-501-503 disks, this L-library is unknown to me. Is there a listing somewhere - on the net perhaps ? FWIW, I did find the following L-1xx-series though (quoted from the Lilchips-site of a while ago), but no L-5XX-series: *** For the Roland S-10, S-220, MKS-100. Each Library is a boxed set of 10x 2.8" Quick Disks for up to 20 individual Samples. See the Libraries Area for these samples on-line. L-100 Demo L-101 Piano L-102 Brass/Wind L-103 Mallets L-104 Bass L-105 Effects L-106 Drum Set L-107 String/Choir L-108 Guitar L-109 Synth/Organ L-110 Orchestra L-111 Brass/Wind *** Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Shapiro To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:44 AM Subject: sgroup LOTS of new disks coming > Hi folks, > > It's Xmas in July! > I went a little crazy and sorted out the whole L-series set of disks. > This was a different set of Roland Factory disks containing lots of > exotic sounds. > > There are 29 disks (!!!!!) that I will send to Martin over the next > few days. (if he can handle the traffic) > > Get those modems running....... > > Regards - Colin > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 17:28:09 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:28:00 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net ([196.25.240.74]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:27:56 -0400 Received: from [155.239.89.200] (ndf53-08-200.gt.saix.net [155.239.89.200]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6NLRUCO010852 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:27:33 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003901c2328e$360c0f20$43f04bd5@ptr> References: <003901c2328e$360c0f20$43f04bd5@ptr> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:27:06 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup LOTS of new disks coming Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1184662865==_ma============" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --============_-1184662865==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Very cool, thanks. Apart from those fifteen L-501-503 disks, >this L-library is unknown to me. Is there a listing somewhere - on the net >perhaps ? Hi Peter, I've sent Martin an html file to include on his site. I'm not really sure, but as I recall from years ago, the L-series was the set of disks released in the East (Japan etc) and had lots of Eastern and exotic samples. There are some GREAT disks - I'm busy uploading them right now. Here's the text from the file Regards - Colin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Roland S550 / L-series disks Some disks in this set are the same as disks in the RSB-series Disks that differ are listed in detail below. L501#1 Electric piano 1 = RSB-501 #1 L501#2 El.pno 2 & clav = RSB-501 #3 L501#3 Harpsichord & Organ = RSB-501 #5 L501#4 Electric organ vol 1 = RSB-503 #7 L501#5 Synthesizer vol 1 = RSB-501 #2 L502#6 Brass vol 1 = RSB-503 #2 L502#7 Sax vol 1 = RSB-501 #9 L502#8 Sax vol 2 = RSB-501 #10 L502#9 Woodwind vol 1 = RSB-501 #8 L502#10 Woodwind vol 2 = RSB-502 #3 L503#11 Latin perc vol 1 = RSB-505 #5 L503#12 Mallet vol 1 = RSB-502 #1 L503#13 Orchestra vol 1 = RSB-504 #7 L503#14 Effects vol1 Medley 1 Pret.Metal 1 Slow Train 1 Wonderland 1 Wonderland 2 Music Box 1 Music Box 2 Bowls&Bells1 Animals 1 L503#15 Stereo FX vol 1 =RSB-504 #2 L504#16 Acoustic guitar vol 1 Classic Gt.1 Folk Guitar1 Folk Guitar2 Folk Guitar3 F.Guitar 3;2 C.Gt1;F.Gt1 C.Gt1+F.Gt1 L504#17 Electric guitar vol 1 E.Guitar 1 E.Guitar 2 E.Guitar 3 E.Guitar 1/3 E.Guitar 2a E.Guitar 2b L504#18 Electric bass vol 1 = RSB-501 #6 L504#19 Wood bass & harp Wood Bass1pf Harp 1 Harp 2 L504#20 Strings vol 1 = RSB-502 #5 L505#21 Koto vol 1 Koto 1 Koto 2 Koto 2 p;f Koto (Piano) Koto(Guitar) Koto(Organ) Koto(Mando) Koto(Tremol) L505#22 Shamisen vol 1 Hosozao 1 Pulling ; P1 P1 < Rub Hosozao 1 pf Tsugaru 1 Pulling ; P5 P5 < Rub Tsugaru uni L505#23 Shamisen vol 2 Futozao 1 Futozao uni Pulling ; P1 Pulling Chuzao 1 Chuzao uni Pulling ; P5 L505#24 Shakuhachi vol 1 Shakuhachi Shaku Vib Shaku Accent Shaku Ornam Shaku N;V Shaku N;A Shaku V;A Shaku V;O L505#25 Yokobue vol 1 Shinobue V;T Shinobue Vib Shinobue Nor Shinobue Dua Nohkan V;P Nohkan Vib Nohkan Phras Fue Organ L506#26 Japanese perc vol 1 JP Perc 1A JP Perc 1B Monster/Drum Shimedaiko Atarigane Tsuzumi Hyoshigi L506#27 Japanese perc vol 2 JP Perc 2pf JP Perc 2 Noh Perc 1 Noh Perc 1sw Taiko Tsuzumi /Rei Matsumushi Orugohru/Kin L506#28 Biwa vol 1 Biwa 1 p;f Biwa 1 Biwa 1 uni P2 < Shot1 P2 < Shot2 P2 < Shot3 Effects 1 Effects 2 L506#29 Gagaku vol 1 Reed Dual Reed Solo Sho /Komabue Reed Solo sw Hichi Vln Shohko Taiko Sanko L506#30 Gagaku vol 2 Biwa / Koto Biwa/Ryuteki Koto Biwa Ryuteki L507#31 Indian Strings vol 1 Sitar 1 Sitar 2 Grand Sitar1 Slow Sitar 1 Tmbra/Sitar1 Tmbra/Sitar2 Tmbra/Sitar3 Tmbra/Sitar4 L507#32 Indian Strings vol 2 Santur 1 Santur 2 Grand Santr1 Rabab 1 Rabab 2 Esraj 1 Esraj 2 Heavy Esraj1 L507#33 Indian perc vol 1 Tabla-Baya 1 Tabla-Baya 2 Tabla/Gpchnt Gopichant 1 Medley 1 Medley 2 L507#34 Indian perc vol 2 Dholak 1 Dholak 2 Mridangam 1 Mridangam 2 Medley 1 L507#35 Indian perc vol 3 Khole 1 Khole 2 Madal 1 Mondira 1 RamaCymbal 1 Tuntina 1 Medley 1 Medley 2 L508#36 Western strings vol 1 Saz 1 Saz 2 Grand Saz 1 Oud 1 Oud 2 Cimbalom 1 Cimbalom 2 Grand Cmblm1 L508#37 Western wind vol 1 Shawm 1 Shawm 2 Crumhorn 1 Crumhorn 2 Zuruna 1 Zuruna 2 Ir Whistle 1 Ir Whistle 2 L508#38 Mid.Eastern perc vol 1 Tablah 1 Dumbelek 1 Doira 1 Bendir 1 Req 1 Doira/Dumblk Bendir / Req Medley 1 L508#39 Indian wind & Thai gong Bansri 1 Bansri 2 Shanai 1 Shanai 2 Shanai 3 Pungi 1 Pungi 2 Thai Gong 1 Bansri 3 L508#40 Gamelan vol 1 Bonang 1 Bonang 2 Saron 1 Saron 2 Gender 1 Gender 2 Gender 3 JavaGamelan1 L509#41 Eastern flavour vol 1 Angklung 1 Angklung 2 Angklung 3 Yangchin 1 Yangchin 2 BowedYnchin1 Mingti 1 Ynchin/Minti L509#42 Andean wind vol 1 Quena 1 Quena 2 Quena 3 Taruka 1 Taruka 2 Sicu 1 Sicu 2 Slow Sicu 1 L509#43 African flavour vol 1 Barafon 1 Barafon 2 Sanza 1 Sanza 2 Sanza 3 Sanza 4 Birimbau 1 Barafo+Sanza Sanza 5 L509#44 Latin perc vol 2 Latin Perc 2 Latin 2 uni Cuica L509#45 Latin perc vol 3 Steel Drum 1 Slit Drum 1 5's Agogo 1 P2 / P3 Steel Dr uni Slit Dr uni 5'sAgogo uni --============_-1184662865==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: sgroup LOTS of new disks coming
Very cool, thanks. Apart from those fifteen L-501-503 disks,
this L-library is unknown to me. Is there a listing somewhere -  on the net
perhaps ?

Hi Peter,

I've sent Martin an html file to include on his site.
I'm not really sure, but as I recall from years ago, the L-series was the set of disks released in the East (Japan etc) and had lots of Eastern and exotic samples. There are some GREAT disks - I'm busy uploading them right now.

Here's the text from the file

Regards - Colin

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Roland S550 / L-series disks

Some disks in this set are the same as disks in the RSB-series
Disks that differ are listed in detail below.

L501#1 Electric piano 1             = RSB-501 #1
L501#2 El.pno 2 & clav            = RSB-501 #3
L501#3 Harpsichord & Organ   = RSB-501 #5
L501#4 Electric organ vol 1       = RSB-503 #7
L501#5 Synthesizer vol 1          = RSB-501 #2
L502#6 Brass vol 1                    = RSB-503 #2
L502#7 Sax vol 1                       = RSB-501 #9
L502#8 Sax vol 2                       = RSB-501 #10
L502#9 Woodwind vol 1          = RSB-501 #8  
L502#10 Woodwind vol 2        = RSB-502 #3
L503#11 Latin perc vol 1          = RSB-505 #5
L503#12 Mallet vol 1                = RSB-502 #1
L503#13 Orchestra vol 1          = RSB-504 #7

L503#14 Effects vol1
Medley 1
Pret.Metal 1
Slow Train 1
Wonderland 1
Wonderland 2
Music Box 1
Music Box 2
Bowls&Bells1
Animals 1  

  
L503#15 Stereo FX vol 1          =RSB-504 #2


L504#16 Acoustic guitar vol 1
Classic Gt.1
Folk Guitar1
Folk Guitar2
Folk Guitar3
F.Guitar 3;2
C.Gt1;F.Gt1
C.Gt1+F.Gt1

L504#17 Electric guitar vol 1
E.Guitar 1 
E.Guitar 2 
E.Guitar 3
E.Guitar 1/3
E.Guitar 2a
E.Guitar 2b

L504#18 Electric bass vol 1        = RSB-501 #6


L504#19 Wood bass & harp
Wood Bass1pf
Harp 1     
Harp 2     

L504#20 Strings vol 1     = RSB-502 #5


L505#21 Koto vol 1
Koto 1    
Koto 2    
Koto 2 p;f 
Koto (Piano)
Koto(Guitar)
Koto(Organ)
Koto(Mando)
Koto(Tremol)


L505#22 Shamisen vol 1
Hosozao 1  
Pulling ; P1
P1 < Rub
Hosozao 1 pf
Tsugaru 1
Pulling ; P5
P5 < Rub 
Tsugaru uni


L505#23 Shamisen vol 2
Futozao 1  
Futozao uni
Pulling ; P1
Pulling    
Chuzao 1   
Chuzao uni 
Pulling ; P5


L505#24 Shakuhachi vol 1
Shakuhachi 
Shaku Vib
Shaku Accent
Shaku Ornam
Shaku N;V 
Shaku N;A 
Shaku V;A 
Shaku V;O 


L505#25 Yokobue vol 1
Shinobue V;T
Shinobue Vib
Shinobue Nor
Shinobue Dua
Nohkan V;P 
Nohkan Vib 
Nohkan Phras
Fue Organ  


L506#26 Japanese perc vol 1
JP Perc 1A 
JP Perc 1B 
Monster/Drum
Shimedaiko 
Atarigane  
Tsuzumi    
Hyoshigi   


L506#27 Japanese perc vol 2
JP  Perc 2pf
JP  Perc 2 
Noh Perc 1 
Noh Perc 1sw
Taiko      
Tsuzumi /Rei
Matsumushi 
Orugohru/Kin


L506#28 Biwa vol 1
Biwa 1 p;f 
Biwa 1     
Biwa 1 uni 
P2 < Shot1 
P2 < Shot2 
P2 < Shot3 
Effects 1
Effects 2


L506#29 Gagaku vol 1
Reed Dual  
Reed Solo  
Sho /Komabue
Reed Solo sw
Hichi Vln  
Shohko     
Taiko      
Sanko      


L506#30 Gagaku vol 2
Biwa / Koto
Biwa/Ryuteki
Koto       
Biwa       
Ryuteki    


L507#31 Indian Strings vol 1
Sitar 1  
Sitar 2  
Grand Sitar1
Slow Sitar 1
Tmbra/Sitar1
Tmbra/Sitar2
Tmbra/Sitar3
Tmbra/Sitar4


L507#32 Indian Strings vol 2
Santur 1   
Santur 2   
Grand Santr1
Rabab 1    
Rabab 2    
Esraj 1    
Esraj 2    
Heavy Esraj1


L507#33 Indian perc vol 1
Tabla-Baya 1
Tabla-Baya 2
Tabla/Gpchnt
Gopichant 1
Medley 1   
Medley 2   


L507#34 Indian perc vol 2
Dholak 1   
Dholak 2   
Mridangam 1
Mridangam 2
Medley 1   


L507#35 Indian perc vol 3
Khole 1    
Khole 2    
Madal 1    
Mondira 1  
RamaCymbal 1
Tuntina 1  
Medley 1   
Medley 2   


L508#36 Western strings vol 1
Saz 1    
Saz 2    
Grand Saz 1
Oud 1      
Oud 2      
Cimbalom 1
Cimbalom 2
Grand Cmblm1


L508#37 Western wind vol 1
Shawm 1    
Shawm 2    
Crumhorn 1 
Crumhorn 2 
Zuruna 1   
Zuruna 2   
Ir Whistle 1
Ir Whistle 2


L508#38 Mid.Eastern perc vol 1
Tablah 1   
Dumbelek 1 
Doira 1    
Bendir 1   
Req 1      
Doira/Dumblk
Bendir / Req
Medley 1   


L508#39 Indian wind & Thai gong
Bansri 1   
Bansri 2   
Shanai 1   
Shanai 2   
Shanai 3   
Pungi 1    
Pungi 2    
Thai Gong 1
Bansri 3   


L508#40 Gamelan vol 1
Bonang 1
Bonang 2
Saron 1
Saron 2
Gender 1
Gender 2
Gender 3
JavaGamelan1


L509#41 Eastern flavour vol 1
Angklung 1 
Angklung 2 
Angklung 3 
Yangchin 1 
Yangchin 2 
BowedYnchin1
Mingti 1   
Ynchin/Minti


L509#42 Andean wind vol 1
Quena 1    
Quena 2    
Quena 3    
Taruka 1   
Taruka 2   
Sicu 1     
Sicu 2     
Slow Sicu 1


L509#43 African flavour vol 1
Barafon 1
Barafon 2
Sanza 1
Sanza 2
Sanza 3
Sanza 4
Birimbau 1
Barafo+Sanza
Sanza 5


L509#44 Latin perc vol 2
Latin Perc 2
Latin 2 uni
Cuica



L509#45 Latin perc vol 3
Steel Drum 1
Slit Drum 1
5's Agogo 1
P2 / P3    
Steel Dr uni
Slit Dr uni
5'sAgogo uni


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From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 23 17:31:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:31:45 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10339>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:31:42 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9EB10E1.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.16.225]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA20825 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:31:36 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6NLU6e01292 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:30:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:30:06 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Director-S for the S-550 Message-ID: <20020723233006.B1017@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, has anyone tested the Director-S I've send some hours ago? I'm a little bit impatient. :-) Sorry for that, but I wil know if it works. bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 24 02:44:08 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8784>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:44:00 -0400 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.232]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8784>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:43:53 -0400 Received: from ernie.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.243] helo=ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17XFsE-0001aA-00; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:43:50 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6O6hol20304; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:43:50 -0400 From: To: Peter.Vermeeren@hetnet.nl Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.121.120.205 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have covered the hole. The s550 doesn't care but the PC does. I am using 720K disks which work better then 1.44K because of the (we called it 1F media in the duplicatin business)lower density media and less bit shift for the different write heads. That is why I feel it is the drive. I may need a 720 only drive like the one that is in the S550, it doesn't care about the hole. Randy On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:07:52 +0200 "P. Vermeeren" wrote: I'm sorry, bit in a hurry here so may very well haven't read your post accurate enough ... but: have you also closed the 1.44 MB hole ? Maybe a stupid remark, but if I remember it correctly for em it was indeed necessary to cover/tape the 1.44 MB-hole on the HD-disks I used. That's it for now, bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library > I have pretty much tried everything to get FloppyImage or Sdisk to read my > S550 files. I am trying to replace 4 of the Sgroup's library files for the > S50. But when I try to read them in, I get 2/3 of the way and then it has > trouble. I don't think its the media or something I am doing wrong with the > application. I've tried using 1.44 disks formatted to 720 (in made things > worse) and using different brand disks. My opinion at this point is that the > drive that I am using is a 720/1.44 drive, and that the head gap on these > drives are compromised for both media. I may have to use a DD drive or just a > better drive. I noticed the trouble with the reading is only happening at the > innner tracks. > > Does anybody have same experience with this. I'm having no trouble sending > files to the S550. > > My method now is, and I've verified every step of the way, is to format a 720 > disk in the computer. Sdisk a S50 or S550 "out" file to the disk to > initialize the disk as a sound disk so I can use it to "save" in the S550. I > then load in my target sound file into the S550 (Set1). I then use the > prepared PC floppy to save the target sound on the disk in the S550. Good so > far. When I try to read the file with Sdisk, it has trouble with the latter > half of the disk. I eventually create a file, but it is a 400K file instead > of the 720K image. > > It's difficult to help out with the missing library sound files if I can't > convert my good S550 floppies to "out" files. > > Randy > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:52:47 -0400 brad allen > wrote: > > > > > Greetings all, > > I am hoping someone can tell me where to find drivers for the s770. I have 3 > different CD drives and the 770 won't see any of them so I am hoping it is > only that I need new drivers. > > TIA for any assistance > > Brad > > > >From: > >Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com > >To: musos@icon.co.za > >CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > >Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website > >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:59:12 -0400 > > > >I have succesfully used SDisk to load the entire > >770 soundfiles to my harddrive on the 750 Sampler. I pretty much know how to > > >use the program on the (PC). I am having a problem with reading the 770 > >series that I mentioned where I have a good disk but no files. On the S550 > >disks, it won't read the, originally formated on > > > >550, disks even though they are good. I know when trying to write to the 1.44 > > > > >disks to the 770, they had to be formatted disk by the PC. Maybe this is the > > >same problem with trying to read the 550 disks. > > > > > > > >Randy > > > > > > > >On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:32:18 -0400 Colin Shapiro wrote: > > > > > > > > >I am trying to put them on "out" format. Having trouble.reading them into > >the > > > > >computer. The disks are good. They read into the sampler. > > > > > > > > > >I will try to format the disks in the computer, write a sound file "out" > file > > > > > > >to them. With that disk, I will save the wanted sound file from the 550 and > > > > > >maybe it will read in the computer. > > > > > > > >I don't know if you're on Mac or PC - whichever way, you need SDisk > > > >or SMac to read and write Roland format disks. (There are other apps > > > >too, like D-soundPro). These should be on the sgroup site. Just > > > >launch the app, and then put your Roland disk in the drive. > > > > > > > >Regards - Colin > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: href='http://g.msn.com/1HM1ENUS/c152??PI=44364'>Click Here > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 24 04:31:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8785>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:31:52 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8785>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:31:37 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9517B15.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.123.21]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17854 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:31:22 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6O8Tss01021 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:29:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:29:54 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Director-S for S-550 File Message-ID: <20020724102954.B1013@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, the cracked Director-S out-file was attached to the mail I've send. Someone asked me where he can find it. take a look at the mails I send :-) bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 24 10:28:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-8785>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:28:00 -0400 Received: from web40307.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.86]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193723-8784>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:27:50 -0400 Message-ID: <20020724142747.3179.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.41.168] by web40307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:27:47 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:27:47 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: Re: sgroup Director-S for S-550 File To: Martin Wulff , SGroup Mailinglist In-Reply-To: <20020724102954.B1013@martin.unix-net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --- Martin Wulff wrote: [edit] > the cracked Director-S out-file was attached to the > mail I've send. > Someone asked me where he can find it. take a look > at the mails I send yep, that was me. i use webmail, and i get constant reminders from the Servers That Be that i'm close to my 6MB limit - so, if i'm suddenly sent mail with 700(ish)KB attachments, the server just deletes the whole thing. thus, no file. thanks heaps for cracking the sequencer and sending me the file directly, martin (i'd fortunately just cleaned up my folders a bit, so it worked this time) - but if you'd like to preserve it in the sgroup archives and thereby claim your place in history *cue patriotic trumpet solo*, i think it'd be a good idea to contact john (jsellens@generalconcepts.com) and arrange an upload. about to try director-s now... s-disk ho! -gareth ===== gareth davies gklitschprizm mod\ (beware the gklitschkitty) <[hyphen x 0.5]> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 24 13:22:37 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-8784>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:22:30 -0400 Received: from web12107.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.172.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193723-8785>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:22:21 -0400 Message-ID: <20020724172215.85764.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.91.75.29] by web12107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:22:15 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:22:15 -0400 From: 'Ace' Yates Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <008601c2130e$4f49c620$579c4bd5@ptr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-730987330-1027531335=:85760" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --0-730987330-1027531335=:85760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "P. Vermeeren" wrote:> Hi,> > > Thanks for the info/comparison. Little question> about your remark about:> > > Obviously you can't compare the 760 to the 550...> > Obviously I should first state that results of> course depend greatly on> the programming & work you put in it, but the above> remark triggered me:The 550 is a 12-bit sampler with about a Meg of memory, yeah, maybe it samples with 16 bits, but stores only 12 bit words, so data is lost. It is also a 'mono' sampler with only 2 sampling rates, and you can only have two samples per tone (similar to 'partials' on a 760), 2U form factor, a limited SCSI option that is hard to find.The 760 has over 30X the memory when fully expanded, stereo, digital i/o (I've found the frout ends on both units to be a bit noisy) True 16-bit sampling, 4 samples per partial, 1U rack space, SCSI standard on the unit that's more flexible. Apples and oranges, and we're assuming a user with average programming skills. There are numerous other differences in DSP effects, processor speed, mulitimbrality, etc. The point I made was that the two units really can't be compared with one another.Sure, how good your samples are depends on the programmer, but you must consider the tools the programmer is using.> Could it be true that if you want to mimic 'real> instruments' the> memory-limit> of the S-550/-330 vs S-760 is more> 'visible'/limiting ?Absulutely. Real instruments have variance in envelope which would require more memory for additional samples> I mean, I can very well imagine there are some> wicked possibilities with a> sampler> with even a few seconds of memory. But for 'real> instruments', longer> samples> are important to make it sound less artificial,> right ?Anyone with creative mind can get amazing sounds from the 550. The PC2S550 utility is excellent, downloads .wavs right to your 550 via MIDI (although slow!) Regards,Mike "TipToe" Ace"If it ain't broke, you're not tryin""If the women don't find you handsome, at least they'll find you handy"---Red Green --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better --0-730987330-1027531335=:85760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii --- "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > Hi, > > > Thanks for the info/comparison. Little question > about your remark about: > > > Obviously you can't compare the 760 to the 550... > > Obviously I should first state that results of > course depend greatly on > the programming & work you put in it, but the above > remark triggered me: The 550 is a 12-bit sampler with about a Meg of memory, yeah, maybe it samples with 16 bits, but stores only 12 bit words, so data is lost. It is also a 'mono' sampler with only 2 sampling rates, and you can only have two samples per tone (similar to 'partials' on a 760), 2U form factor, a limited SCSI option that is hard to find. The 760 has over 30X the memory when fully expanded, stereo, digital i/o (I've found the frout ends on both units to be a bit noisy) True 16-bit sampling, 4 samples per partial, 1U rack space, SCSI standard on the unit that's more flexible. Apples and oranges, and we're assuming a user with average programming skills. There are numerous other differences in DSP effects, processor speed, mulitimbrality, etc. The point I made was that the two units really can't be compared with one another. Sure, how good your samples are depends on the programmer, but you must consider the tools the programmer is using. > Could it be true that if you want to mimic 'real > instruments' the > memory-limit > of the S-550/-330 vs S-760 is more > 'visible'/limiting ? Absulutely. Real instruments have variance in envelope which would require more memory for additional samples > I mean, I can very well imagine there are some > wicked possibilities with a > sampler > with even a few seconds of memory. But for 'real > instruments', longer > samples > are important to make it sound less artificial, > right ? Anyone with creative mind can get amazing sounds from the 550. The PC2S550 utility is excellent, downloads .wavs right to your 550 via MIDI (although slow!) Regards, Mike

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Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better --0-730987330-1027531335=:85760-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 24 13:25:27 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193727-8784>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:25:25 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-8784>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:25:12 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9517B15.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.123.21]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24933 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:25:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6OHNaH01615 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:23:36 +0200 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:23:36 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Director-S for S-550 works, without dongle Message-ID: <20020724192336.H1014@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Users, Gareth Davies told me that the Director-S for the S-550 works without dongle. I've done the same as I've done with the S-330 Director-S and it works. If anyone wants to have this out file, tell me. Or take a look into your mailbox, I've attached it to one mail yesterday. It's called "s550-seq.out" Have Fun. Bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 24 19:16:51 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-8785>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:16:45 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f105.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.165.105]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-8785>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:16:35 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:16:30 -0700 Received: from 63.208.166.104 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:16:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.208.166.104] From: "brad allen" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup updating s770 OS Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:16:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 23:16:30.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[24CF0E80:01C23368] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk

I am trying to update the OS on my s770 but there are several different ones and I can't get anything to load in so I guess I must be doing something wrong. I am certain that I am probably the only one on this list that doesn't know how to update their SOS :-\

any help is appreciated.

TIA,

Brad

>From:
>Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com
>To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
>Subject: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:35:32 -0400
>
>I have pretty much tried everything to get FloppyImage or Sdisk to read my
>S550 files. I am trying to replace 4 of the Sgroup's library files for the
>S50. But when I try to read them in, I get 2/3 of the way and then it has
>trouble. I don't think its the media or something I am doing wrong with the
>application. I've tried using 1.44 disks formatted to 720 (in made things
>worse) and using different brand disks. My opinion at this point is that the
>drive that I am using is a 720/1.44 drive, and that the head gap on these
>drives are compromised for both media. I may have to use a DD drive or just a
>better drive. I noticed the trouble with the reading is only happening at the
>innner tracks.
>
>Does anybody have same experience with this. I'm having no trouble sending
>files to the S550.
>
>My method now is, and I've verified every step of the way, is to format a 720
>disk in the computer. Sdisk a S50 or S550 "out" file to the disk to
>initialize the disk as a sound disk so I can use it to "save" in the S550. I
>then load in my target sound file into the S550 (Set1). I then use the
>prepared PC floppy to save the target sound on the disk in the S550. Good so
>far. When I try to read the file with Sdisk, it has trouble with the latter
>half of the disk. I eventually create a file, but it is a 400K file instead
>of the 720K image.
>
>It's difficult to help out with the missing library sound files if I can't
>convert my good S550 floppies to "out" files.
>
>Randy
>
>On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:52:47 -0400 brad allen
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Greetings all,
>
>I am hoping someone can tell me where to find drivers for the s770. I have 3
>different CD drives and the 770 won't see any of them so I am hoping it is
>only that I need new drivers.
>
>TIA for any assistance
>
>Brad 
>
>
> >From:
> >Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com
> >To: musos@icon.co.za
> >CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
> >Subject: Re: sgroup Sampledisks for the website
> >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:59:12 -0400
> >
> >I have succesfully used SDisk to load the entire
> >770 soundfiles to my harddrive on the 750 Sampler. I pretty much know how to
>
> >use the program on the (PC). I am having a problem with reading the 770
> >series that I mentioned where I have a good disk but no files. On the S550
> >disks, it won't read the, originally formated on
> >
> >550, disks even though they are good. I know when trying to write to the 1.44
>
> >
> >disks to the 770, they had to be formatted disk by the PC. Maybe this is the
>
> >same problem with trying to read the 550 disks.
> >
> >
> >
> >Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:32:18 -0400 Colin Shapiro wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >I am trying to put them on "out" format. Having trouble.reading them into
> >the
> >
> > >computer. The disks are good. They read into the sampler.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >I will try to format the disks in the computer, write a sound file "out"
>file
> >
> >
> > >to them. With that disk, I will save the wanted sound file from the 550 and
>
> >
> > >maybe it will read in the computer.
> >
> >
> >
> >I don't know if you're on Mac or PC - whichever way, you need SDisk
> >
> >or SMac to read and write Roland format disks. (There are other apps
> >
> >too, like D-soundPro). These should be on the sgroup site. Just
> >
> >launch the app, and then put your Roland disk in the drive.
> >
> >
> >
> >Regards - Colin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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- Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 24 19:43:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-8785>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:43:47 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (hnmail01.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.156]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-8785>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:43:37 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.156.238]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:40:07 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c2336d$0e65ce40$ee9c4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "SGroup Mailinglist" References: <8943504986.20020723132646@columbus.rr.com> <20020723195419.K1096@martin.unix-net> Subject: Re: sgroup 2 midi controllers??? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:23:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, The Philips Rees stuff is fine, I have the '2M' and it works. In general though I'd say that if you can avoid using a merger, try to do so. It's my (limited) erperiences that mergers are sometimes picky w.r.t. power-on sequences of the various gear. That's not just me, I've heard other people telling alike stories about avoiding mergers if you don't strictly need them. (That's often easier said than done of course.) But I'm actually writing because I guess quite some people actually own a merger without knowing they do. I have one piece of gear that says 'Hi, I'm a MIDI-merger, my name is '2M' - but in my modest collection the total amount of devices that can merge is three ! My Roland Soundbrush SB-55 has two MIDI-inputs (front & rear) which it can merge. And my simple Viscount MIDI-pedal board happens to be able to merge as well ! Have a look at your gear & browse the MIDI-section of the manual - who knows you don't need to buy a separate box. More specific to the original question: does the Roland PK-5 perhaps have a MIDI-input which it can merge with the PK-5-generated MIDI-notes ? This is exactly how it is for my Viscount pedalboard, so who knows for the Roland ? Bye / FWIW, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: Re: sgroup 2 midi controllers??? > Hi, > > yes, you can use somethink called "Midi Merger". I have such a merger > from "Philip Rees" > > It is called "little 2M" but there is a 5M and 9M too. You can merge 2 > / 5 or even 9 midi-devices on one. > > The other way is you use a Midi-Patchbay with merging function. Then > you can switch between the devices an/or merge some together. > If you want something from Roland you can look after the A-880. I have > an A-880 too. it's great. That my Midi Switcher/Merger for my 3 S-330 > :-) > > bye, Martin > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 01:26:46PM -0400, Gaffa wrote: > > > > I have a Roland S50. I use a Roland PK-5 midi pedal board to play > > keyboard lines with my feet while I play bass. Recently I've begun > > playing a Chapman Stick that has a midi pickup and a Roland GR-33 (can > > you tell I'm a Roland fan?) > > > > My question is... I there a device that will allow both my GR-33 and > > my PK-5 to act as controllers to the S-50? Some type of midi > > switcher? > > > > Thanks, > > Len > > > > BTW - My main bass is a Roland G-77. I've been inspired ever since I > > was a kid and saw the bass player for a band called "Art of Noise." > > Although I think he used Akai samplers with his Roland bass. > > > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > -- > eMail : Martin Wulff > Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ > ICQ : 75752326 > AIM : MuMaWu > -------------------------------------------- > Public Key: > Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 24 21:48:51 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-8784>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:48:44 -0400 Received: from mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (mailout5-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.169]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-8784>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:48:37 -0400 Received: from potentate.alcue.com (alb-24-58-133-74.nycap.rr.com [24.58.133.74]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/RoadRunner 1.20) with ESMTP id g6P1mNL16755; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724214744.046dbfc0@pop.nycap.rr.com> X-Sender: alcue@pop.nycap.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:48:20 -0400 To: Martin Wulff , SGroup Mailinglist From: Al Quaglieri Subject: Re: sgroup Director-S for S-550 works, without dongle In-Reply-To: <20020724192336.H1014@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This list doesn't seem to relay attachments. Perhaps you could place it on your webpage as a download. Thanks, Al Q. NY - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 25 07:35:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-15501>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:35:19 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-15501>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:35:12 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0EEEE.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.238.238]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA07925 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:35:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6PBXW401049 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:33:32 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:33:32 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: Re: sgroup Director-S for S-550 works, without dongle Message-ID: <20020725133332.A1022@martin.unix-net> References: <20020724192336.H1014@martin.unix-net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020724214744.046dbfc0@pop.nycap.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724214744.046dbfc0@pop.nycap.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I will put it on my website in the next few days. Bye; Martin On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 09:48:20PM -0400, Al Quaglieri wrote: > This list doesn't seem to relay attachments. Perhaps you could place it on > your webpage as a download. > > Thanks, > > Al Q. > NY > -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 25 12:25:01 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:24:54 -0400 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:24:51 -0400 Received: from bert.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.227] helo=bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17XlPw-0002ya-00; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:24:44 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6PGOhD09323; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:24:43 -0400 From: To: funkwit@yahoo.com Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Yes, I am booting from a Zip100 in DOS 6.0. Thats were I also run my SampleVision. I really trying to read these disk to send in the floppies that are missing from the library. Otherwise, I am content the just read into the S550 which works just fine. I somebody out there can read S550 disks to an "out" file successfully, please let me know the formula like what brand floppy disk, etc. Randy On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:02:33 -0700 (PDT) gareth davies wrote: it sounds as if you know more about the media than i do... the only thing i can think to contribute is that the whole issue might have more to do with your operating system than the media - it's worth trying, anyway. i use win98, and for me the only way to get s-disk to work is to restart in dos mode. if you're using a microsoft-driven (-owned? ;>) machine, my advice would be to try creating a dos boot disk with the most plain manilla setup you can manage... i don't know if it's all the windows memory-resident stuff or something more complicated and filesystem-oriented, but s-disk just doesn't like windows. even if you use another os, i think it'd be worth experimenting with your config. this may not help at all - if not, sorry i couldn't be of more assistance. hope you get it sorted out though. -gareth --- rhoffman@ix.netcom.com wrote: > I have covered the hole. The s550 doesn't care but > the PC does. I am using > 720K disks which work better then 1.44K because of > the (we called it 1F media > in the duplicatin business)lower density media and > less bit shift for the > different write heads. That is why I feel it is the > drive. I may need a 720 > only drive like the one that is in the S550, it > doesn't care about the hole. > > Randy ===== gareth davies gklitschprizm mod (beware the gklitschkitty) <[hyphen x 0.5]> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 25 14:49:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-15501>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:49:32 -0400 Received: from siaab1aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:49:22 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaab1aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.14) id OAA22817; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:48:20 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200207251448_MC3-1-82E-CB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >I somebody out there can read S550 disks to an "out" file successfully,= = >please let me know the formula like what brand floppy disk, etc. > what deosnt work? if i boot to DOS and run sdisk, put in a 550 disk into a:, it reads it, a= nd = all is good. works with almost every 720k disk i've tried. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 25 23:19:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:37 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:27 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6Q3JM540416 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:54:35 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9EB10E1.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.16.225]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05997 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:54:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g6N8qr401129 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:52:53 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:52:53 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: Re: sgroup LOTS of new disks coming Message-ID: <20020723105253.B1096@martin.unix-net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, XMAS in July, that's great. I told Colin that I'm connected via A-DSL and do have a flatrate. So, it doesn't madder how many files I will get :-) BTW: I'm happy that all of you are so very interested in sending me disk-images and completing the library of samples. Does anyone have other system-software versions than I have on the website? I have only the 1.01 and 1.03 for the S-330. Is there a 1.00 and 1.02 anywhere? And the Director-S, I know only the 1.00, but, is there any other version? Please tell me. bye, Martin On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 09:44:02PM -0400, Colin Shapiro wrote: > Hi folks, > > It's Xmas in July! > I went a little crazy and sorted out the whole L-series set of disks. > This was a different set of Roland Factory disks containing lots of > exotic sounds. > > There are 29 disks (!!!!!) that I will send to Martin over the next > few days. (if he can handle the traffic) > > Get those modems running....... > > Regards - Colin > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -- eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.mwm-studios.d2g.com/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 25 23:19:48 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:35 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:34 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6Q3JUq40465 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10340>; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:52:35 -0400 Received: from Mjhstudio@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.1a0.5b0ea0f (4421) for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:52:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Mjhstudio@aol.com Message-ID: <1a0.5b0ea0f.2a6ee3ca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:52:26 -0400 Subject: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 116 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk hello I use a s760 full option for me one of the best sampler in the world I uselly save my sample on a syquest whith 270mo card but in france syquest doesn't exist anymore please tell me if there is another solution to save my sample for example on a zip or other thanks a lot to give me an answer at mjhstudio@aol.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 25 23:19:59 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193728-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:47 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:40 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6Q3Jar40505 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-8785>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:14:58 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-118-68.tnt9.me2.uunet.de [149.225.118.68]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA21466 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:14:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D3EA020.6070105@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:40:00 -0400 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup S-330 sysex, was: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:58:25 -0400 References: <7F48CDC05EA8D511AE6F009027DCF3C424F493@HEMLOCK> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Paul Boobyer wrote: > Hi all > > Could someone please post the sysex message list for the S330? - I don't > have a manual and Roland UK want to charge the astronomical price of £30 for > one. I want to control filter parameters etc from Cubase. I have it only printed and no scanner, sorry. But if you want to control filter cutoff frequency, you don't need sysex. This can be controlled via MIDI aftertouch. Using Sysex, you always have to specify which patch or tone is used. The S-330 has no Edit buffer. > The only one I can find on the net is for the S220. The basic Roland Sysex commands (Request, Data Set ect) for the S-220 and the S-330 are similar. The S-330 uses 4 bytes for address and 4 bytes for size. The S-330's model ID is 1E (hex). Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jul 25 23:20:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-15501>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:20:08 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193727-15502>; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:46 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g6Q3JiP40549 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:19:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from web12306.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.104]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193727-8784>; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:27:37 -0400 Message-ID: <20020724172730.24365.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.128.98.3] by web12306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:27:30 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:27:30 -0400 From: Dharma Bummer Subject: Re: sgroup Director-S for S-550 works, without dongle To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <20020724192336.H1014@martin.unix-net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --- Martin Wulff wrote: > Hi Users, > Gareth Davies told me that the Director-S for the > S-550 works without > dongle. I've done the same as I've done with the > S-330 Director-S and > it works. If anyone wants to have this out file, > tell me. Or take a > look into your mailbox, I've attached it to one mail > yesterday. > It's called "s550-seq.out" Excuse my ignorance, but what is Director-S and what can it do? BaM ===== This message has been brought to you by the little ASCII art duck who never stopped complaining: o< THIS SUCKS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 26 05:16:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-8132>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:16:10 -0400 Received: from relay-2.m.channel4.co.uk ([216.239.208.98]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-8132>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:16:00 -0400 Received: from fw-1 (fw-qfe3.channel4.co.uk [216.239.208.110]) by relay-2.m.channel4.co.uk (OBJL-MAIL-2.3-CTL) with SMTP for id JAA03775; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:14:46 GMT Received: from ([150.135.97.133]) by fw-1; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:13:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: by CAMOMILE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:15:51 -0000 Message-ID: <7F48CDC05EA8D511AE6F009027DCF3C424F494@HEMLOCK> From: Paul Boobyer To: "'sgroup@lists.uunet.ca'" Subject: RE: sgroup Director-S for S-550 works, without dongle Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:15:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi all Thanks Martin for providing Director-S for the S-330. It boots up fine on my S-330 but after I load some sounds off another disk it crashes. Has anybody else got it to work or am I just not doing something right? BTW - thanks Ingo for the filter cutoff/aftertouch tip. Cheers Paul B Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster@channel4.co.uk - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 26 05:40:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-8131>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:40:46 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-8131>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:40:43 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:40:38 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:40:37 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:40:37 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB2276159143@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 Thread-Index: AcI0U2kbnh0e20lqTmm9w5NWBi1DXAANM2r/ From: "Ullrich Peter" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 09:40:37.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F5C57B0:01C23488] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo! >I use a s760 full option for me one of the best sampler in the world I >uselly save my sample on a syquest whith 270mo card but in france = syquest >doesn't exist anymore. Thats right. I also have two drives and some disks here but I am not = using it. The option of today is a ZIP drive. The 100MB and 250MB SCSI drives work = fine. I have the 100MB for my S550 sampler and a 250MB drive for the S-760 = sampler. Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 26 06:51:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-8132>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:51:22 -0400 Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp03.web.de [217.72.192.158]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-8132>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:51:07 -0400 Received: from [217.87.83.47] (helo=[217.87.83.47]) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.75 #2) id 17Y2gP-0004Fs-00; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:50:53 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:50:32 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 From: nichtlineareaudioproduktionen To: , roland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1a0.5b0ea0f.2a6ee3ca@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Olympus makes MO-Drives, that are compatible with the Syquest - they are quite cheap, btw, I made good experiences with it, works for 3 years now! Cheers, Niko > hello > I use a s760 full option for me one of the best sampler in the world I uselly > save my sample on a syquest whith 270mo card but in france syquest doesn't > exist anymore > please tell me if there is another solution to save my sample for example on > a zip or other > thanks a lot to give me an answer at mjhstudio@aol.com > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > Nikolaus Sieveking nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 26 10:46:30 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-8131>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:46:23 -0400 Received: from web40305.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.84]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193725-8131>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:46:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20020726144605.75569.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.41.168] by web40305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:46:05 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:46:05 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: Re: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library To: dennis barton , rhoffman@ix.netcom.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <200207251448_MC3-1-82E-CB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk dennis barton: > what deosnt work? > if i boot to DOS and run sdisk, put in a 550 disk > into a:, it reads it, and > all is good. > > works with almost every 720k disk i've tried. > i can second that.. i got a bunch of dicey-looking 720k disks with my two unworking mc500 sequencers (the balance has shifted now - one works great, the other's *really* messed up) - and sdisk has worked with all of them, both reading and writing. all i do is boot to dos mode, read the image to a file in the sdisk directory, and copy it out. i'm on a laptop with a low profile floppy drive, which probably isn't anything special... and this isn't even dos 6, just win98's "dos" mode. i don't think there's anything special about my setup that would make this possible for me. randy - when you said you were booting from a zip drive, my ninja senses started sending warning signals.. =) are you running sdisk from the zip as well? if so, try shifting it to a hdd and trying the process with both sdisk and your destination .out file on c: - sdisk probably doesn't like writing to a zip. i don't know exactly what's involved, but sdisk probably writes as it reads rather than buffering the image and then writing the buffer as a file - and if the zip doesn't behave exactly the way that a hard drive would, it's likely to psych it out. just in case. :) -gareth ===== gareth davies gklitschprizm mod\ (beware the gklitschkitty) <[hyphen x 0.5]> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 26 11:09:11 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-8131>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:09:06 -0400 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-8131>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:08:51 -0400 Received: from host213-122-5-222.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.5.222]) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17Y6i0-00061m-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:08:48 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:14:19 -0400 Subject: sgroup S-770 Screen type From: Mark J Foster To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020726144605.75569.qmail@web40305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Sorry for asking this again but I am desperate! I have a S-770 and I love it. The problem is I am struggling as I am using the built in display and the backlight has gone so it is a nightmare! I would like to use it with an external screen but have no idea what type to look out for. What screens are compatible with a RGB connector? Any help greatly appreciated. Artifice PS Are any of these online resources mentioned suitable for downloading sounds for the 770? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jul 26 12:31:01 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-8131>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:30:57 -0400 Received: from web40310.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.89]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193725-8131>; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:30:51 -0400 Message-ID: <20020726163048.84030.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.41.168] by web40310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:30:48 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:30:48 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: Re: sgroup S-770 Screen type To: Mark J Foster , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk it's not too hard to replace a backlight like that... you can get EL (electroluminescent) material from an electronics store (farnell [www.farnell.com] definitely have it - search for "el sheet"). all you need to do is cut it to the right size, stick terminals on (you get instructions) and solder it in where the old one was. if you know somebody with a little electronics experience, you could get them to do it - alternatively, you could take it to a gear tech or something. el-backlights have a limited life expectancy, which is annoying, but they're not hard to change over. just fyi, i've been looking into methods of backlighting my roland r-8 drum machine.. sorry, 'human rhythm composer'. it's possible, but it'll be a while until i'm confident enough to do it. adding a backlight to an existing, non-backlit lcd display is far more complicated than replacing one, but if all goes to plan i'll do it soon. if anybody's interested in this sort of thing, you're welcome to contact me. as for the screen issue, i'm not sure how much i can help... there's a list of compatible RGB monitors in roland's supplemental notes for the s-550 and s-330. i assume these would also be compatible with the s-760 - Atari 1224, Atari 1435, Mitsubishi DiamondScan, Commodore 1080 & 1084, Darius TSM-1431, Taxan 610/420, Sony KV1311, Sony PVM, NEC 3D, Magnavox 8762, Zenith ZVM133. i don't know what the ports on the back of the s760 look like, but you could probably use just about any digital rgb monitor if you could find/make an adapter cable... i use a thomson monitor with my s-550, which is connected via a roland adapter cable with what seems to be a din 45326 plug (connected to the sampler) and a philips cm8833-ii (connected to the monitor). what all that means i'm not exactly sure... i just figured it out by looking at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/vga2tv/rgb_pinouts.html . can't tell you much more, unfortunately. =) hope that helps. -gareth --- Mark J Foster wrote: > Sorry for asking this again but I am desperate! > > I have a S-770 and I love it. The problem is I am > struggling as I am using > the built in display and the backlight has gone so > it is a nightmare! > > I would like to use it with an external screen but > have no idea what type to > look out for. What screens are compatible with a RGB > connector? > > Any help greatly appreciated. > Artifice ===== gareth davies gklitschprizm mod\ (beware the gklitschkitty) <[hyphen x 0.5]> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jul 27 03:45:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-20749>; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:45:50 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-20749>; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:45:40 -0400 Received: from gonzo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.242] helo=gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17YMGd-000634-00; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:45:35 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6R7jZb05345; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:45:35 -0400 From: To: funkwit@yahoo.com Cc: skylab2000@compuserve.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup Sdisk and fixing library Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.121.124.59 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks. That's what it took. Floopyimage doesn't work for reading but running dos, not in Win98 but outside 98 and Sdisk does work for reading disks that are saved from the S550. The disks still have to be formatted in the PC. I've got 4 "out" file for 4 of the error disks in the Sgroup library. RSB-501, disk #10 tenor/sophrano saxophone RSB-502, disk #1 mallets no.1 RSB-503, disk #8 train ride, air base RSB-505, disk #8 snares I guess I should send them to mellon@generalconcepts.ca? Randy On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:46:05 -0400 gareth davies wrote: dennis barton: > what deosnt work? > if i boot to DOS and run sdisk, put in a 550 disk > into a:, it reads it, and > all is good. > > works with almost every 720k disk i've tried. > i can second that.. i got a bunch of dicey-looking 720k disks with my two unworking mc500 sequencers (the balance has shifted now - one works great, the other's *really* messed up) - and sdisk has worked with all of them, both reading and writing. all i do is boot to dos mode, read the image to a file in the sdisk directory, and copy it out. i'm on a laptop with a low profile floppy drive, which probably isn't anything special... and this isn't even dos 6, just win98's "dos" mode. i don't think there's anything special about my setup that would make this possible for me. randy - when you said you were booting from a zip drive, my ninja senses started sending warning signals.. =) are you running sdisk from the zip as well? if so, try shifting it to a hdd and trying the process with both sdisk and your destination .out file on c: - sdisk probably doesn't like writing to a zip. i don't know exactly what's involved, but sdisk probably writes as it reads rather than buffering the image and then writing the buffer as a file - and if the zip doesn't behave exactly the way that a hard drive would, it's likely to psych it out. just in case. :) -gareth ===== gareth davies gklitschprizm mod (beware the gklitschkitty) <[hyphen x 0.5]> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 29 00:24:13 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-17508>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:24:04 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.12]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:23:54 -0400 Received: from bigbird.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.244] helo=bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Z24P-0000w3-00; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 21:23:45 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6T4NiY01647; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 21:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:23:44 -0400 From: To: peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Cc: Mjhstudio@aol.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: RE: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.86.216.194 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Is this really so? As far as the s550 sampler using the Zip 100. Before I buy one, I would like to know if it is the standard external Iomega and you are using a standart SCSI card in the S550. Randy On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:40:37 -0400 Ullrich Peter wrote: Hallo! >I use a s760 full option for me one of the best sampler in the world I >uselly save my sample on a syquest whith 270mo card but in france syquest >doesn't exist anymore. Thats right. I also have two drives and some disks here but I am not using it. The option of today is a ZIP drive. The 100MB and 250MB SCSI drives work fine. I have the 100MB for my S550 sampler and a 250MB drive for the S-760 sampler. Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 29 13:21:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:21:46 -0400 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.232]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:21:39 -0400 Received: from kermit.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.241] helo=kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ZEBr-0006EH-00; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:20:15 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6THKEQ04741; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:20:14 -0400 From: To: peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Cc: Mjhstudio@aol.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: RE: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've just picked up 32 44M sysquest cartridges for $11 on Ebay for my S770. So far I am sticking with the 44M because I have a dedicated rack unit. But all the drives so exists. Some of us with the S550 SCSI card would like to know if it is really true about the 100M zip. I have a CMS hard drive that's on the blink. And, we all know how picky the S550 is on accepting any SCSI devices. (It won't take the 44 Syquest.) Randy On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:40:37 -0400 Ullrich Peter wrote: Hallo! >I use a s760 full option for me one of the best sampler in the world I >uselly save my sample on a syquest whith 270mo card but in france syquest >doesn't exist anymore. Thats right. I also have two drives and some disks here but I am not using it. The option of today is a ZIP drive. The 100MB and 250MB SCSI drives work fine. I have the 100MB for my S550 sampler and a 250MB drive for the S-760 sampler. Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 29 15:40:41 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-17508>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:40:32 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:40:29 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:40:25 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:40:25 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:40:25 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB2276159157@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 Thread-Index: AcI3JGYL6hJ7UYclQhuDXFsK7kqSpQAEsbPN From: "Ullrich Peter" To: Cc: , Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2002 19:40:25.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8F42E50:01C23737] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo! >I've just picked up 32 44M sysquest cartridges for $11 on Ebay for my >S770.=20 >So far I am sticking with the 44M because I have a dedicated rack unit. >But all the drives so exists. Good price! >Some of us with the S550 SCSI card would like to know if it is really >true about the 100M zip. =20 The 100MB ZIP-drives work fine! I have an external ZIP-Drive and it is = the best option for me! And if the drives stops a normal HD restart starts it = again. >I have a CMS hard drive that's on the blink.=20 I also testet some old harddrives and all worked fine. I tested Maxtor, = Digital and some other drives I don't remember. > And, we all >know how picky the S550 is on accepting any SCSI devices. (It won't >take the 44 Syquest.) That is not correct. It is not easy to work with the syquest44 as you = need different system version but a few years ago I got it running. I had to = take the old HD-version of the system to format and after that I could use it = with the CD-version. The great disadvantage is the noise of the syquest drives... = :-( =20 Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 29 16:07:51 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:07:42 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:07:36 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:07:31 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:07:31 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:07:31 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB227615915B@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 Thread-Index: AcI2t8FoWQ8JzhIAQBKgibW8UHG9tAAgwcCJ From: "Ullrich Peter" To: Cc: , Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2002 20:07:31.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[923CA000:01C2373B] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo! Sorry I haven't read this email before... >Is this really so? As far as the s550 sampler using the Zip 100. >Before I buy one, I would like to know if it is the standard external = >Iomega and you are using a standart SCSI card in the S550. Yes, it is the standard Roland SCSI-card HD5-IF and the external SCSI-100MB-ZIP-drive in blue with wall wart power supply. Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 29 17:56:59 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:56:50 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:56:46 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.96.197]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020729215643.KXEQ7441.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:56:43 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c23749$90cba280$c560580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Question About Specific Samples Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:47:40 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C23728.08D08CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C23728.08D08CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, I was just curious to know if anyone ever tried these sample Discs from = this manufacturer. I think Jesse said he might have sometime back, but = am not certain if he did. This manufacturer makes synths available as = multisamples on discs. They have samples for almost every synth = imaginable and always sell discs on Ebay.=20 Here's a link to one of the auctions. Perhaps one of you may have bought = one of them and used them. I'd appreciate if some of you could comment = on them. They're all in Akai S1000 format. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D896320933 Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C23728.08D08CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
I was just curious to know if anyone = ever tried=20 these sample Discs from this manufacturer. I think Jesse said he might = have=20 sometime back, but am not certain if he did. This manufacturer makes = synths=20 available as multisamples on discs. They have samples for almost every = synth=20 imaginable and always sell discs on Ebay.
 
Here's a link to one of the auctions. = Perhaps one=20 of you may have bought one of them and used them. I'd appreciate if some = of you=20 could comment on them. They're all in Akai S1000 format.
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D896320933=
 
Later,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 29 18:01:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:01:43 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:01:40 -0400 Received: from bert.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.227] helo=bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ZIa4-0001KQ-00; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:01:32 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6TM1WU12646; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:01:32 -0400 From: To: peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Cc: Mjhstudio@aol.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: RE: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk That sounds very encouraging. I will definetely try the HD OS with the 44 syquest and then later play with the Zip. Just to pinch myself, you do agree that the only CDrom that really works for the S550 is the Sony CDU-6111? I've tried loads including the Apple 150. I do have some Cd's I want to off-load. Randy On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:40:25 -0400 Ullrich Peter wrote: Hallo! >I've just picked up 32 44M sysquest cartridges for $11 on Ebay for my >S770. >So far I am sticking with the 44M because I have a dedicated rack unit. >But all the drives so exists. Good price! >Some of us with the S550 SCSI card would like to know if it is really >true about the 100M zip. The 100MB ZIP-drives work fine! I have an external ZIP-Drive and it is the best option for me! And if the drives stops a normal HD restart starts it again. >I have a CMS hard drive that's on the blink. I also testet some old harddrives and all worked fine. I tested Maxtor, Digital and some other drives I don't remember. > And, we all >know how picky the S550 is on accepting any SCSI devices. (It won't >take the 44 Syquest.) That is not correct. It is not easy to work with the syquest44 as you need different system version but a few years ago I got it running. I had to take the old HD-version of the system to format and after that I could use it with the CD-version. The great disadvantage is the noise of the syquest drives... :-( Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jul 29 18:23:16 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:23:14 -0400 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-17509>; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:23:04 -0400 Received: from bert.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.227] helo=bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ZIus-0003CD-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:23:02 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g6TMN1817912 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:23:01 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: rhoffman@ix.netcom.com Subject: sgroup Grand Piano Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 68.15.68.65 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Here is one question that should start a good debate (you can blame me for the 16/12 bit S-550 tussle.) For the S7xx series sampler, what is a good sample for a Grand Piano sound. Of course there must not be much to choose from since everybody is going to the GigaSampler. I would expect a good benefit for owning a Sampler is not having to put up with the thin piano sounds from some of these Synth boxes. I've moved from the Kurzwiel (obvious spit points), Korg Grand (Harpsicordy), EMU performance (very very dry), early Roland (too much reverb at the low regs) etc. I've settled on, if you can believe it after buying all off Rolands expansion cards, Roland's 2M PCM card for the JV1080. Mostly because of no objectionable sounds than love. There must be a great piano sound that fits on 16M S-7xx series? Randy - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 30 09:13:02 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:12:54 -0400 Received: from randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.237]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17224>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:12:44 -0400 Received: from smui03.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.22]) by randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ZWnp-0004tL-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:12:41 -0400 Received: by smui03.slb.mindspring.net id JAA0000007392; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:12:41 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup Question About Specific Samples Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 216.142.43.178 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The guys I mentioned are NiceBeats - I don't think it's the same company. The sample mp3 from the ebay link is pretty good - for $10.00 how can you go wrong? I'm not buying any equipment right now but I think I'll send him an email and find out what else he has available. By the way, the guy has quite the nice synthesizer studio: http://www.samplebytes.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 30 09:14:51 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:14:41 -0400 Received: from randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.237]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:14:34 -0400 Received: from smui03.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.22]) by randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17ZWpZ-0004wJ-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:14:29 -0400 Received: by smui03.slb.mindspring.net id JAA0000007797; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:14:30 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: Re: sgroup Grand Piano Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 216.142.43.178 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'll have to check but off the top of my head I know there's a very nice piano, a Yamaha D9 I think, on the Roland Jazz Combo sample CD. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 30 16:42:31 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:42:23 -0400 Received: from siaag2af.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.136]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:42:13 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2af.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id QAA03391 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:41:44 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup sample disks To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200207301641_MC3-1-8D0-F8CF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I juat saw a company that make Roland CDRs. I know nothing about em - just thought someone might be interested.. http://www.esoundz.com/products_roland.htm |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 30 17:33:44 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:33:36 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17224>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:33:31 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:33:26 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:33:26 +0200 Subject: RE: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:33:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB2276159164@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup problem to save my sample whith s760 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Index: AcI3S4T0mizQy1wORbC9TCSHqWAPqgAxL5CN From: "Ullrich Peter" To: Cc: , Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2002 21:33:26.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD213EE0:01C23810] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo! >That sounds very encouraging. I will definetely try the HD OS with the >44 syquest and then later play with the Zip. =20 Please let me know if it works for you! >Just to pinch myself, you do agree that the only CDrom that really = works >for the S550 is the Sony CDU-6111? I've tried loads including the = Apple >150. I do have some Cd's I want to off-load. As I have heard it is so. I once had success with another drive but = could not find it again. So I bought one in the states via Ebay. But It can't read copied sample = CDs - this has been told me by another user of the list (I think it was Steve = Schow). And I could not get hold of originals... So I still have no cdrom drive that works with the S550. The S-760 doesn't have this problem as it can work with different = drives. Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 30 19:29:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:29:13 -0400 Received: from mailgate.purespeed.com (ns2.tidalwave.net [66.77.68.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:29:07 -0400 Received: from purespeed.com (fozzy.purespeed.com [66.77.68.13]) by mailgate.purespeed.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 03AC413B90 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.159.30.149] [63.159.30.149] by purespeed.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A10EF36F0104; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:28:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tgvoz@mail.purespeed.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:29:01 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Tim Goodwin Subject: sgroup Re: Grand Piano Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello Randy I use the Ultimate Piano Collection Vol. I from East West (Soundsonline) and have never needed or wanted anything else. They had it on special a few years ago and I couldn't pass it up. Tim Goodwin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jul 30 23:01:37 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:01:32 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17223>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:01:21 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.190.113]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020731030118.BVQ8052.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:01:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2383d$45e9b5a0$71be580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <200207301641_MC3-1-8D0-F8CF@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: sgroup sample disks Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:52:12 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey Dennis, That company isn't new at all. It's Ilio/Sonic Reality/Spectrasonics. These were the discs that I was telling everyone about here on this mailing list for a while. You should inquire Ilio about their demo discs. I have the Interactive Drum Kits and Snares and must say that as a drum collection, it kicks ass - plain and simple. The Vintage Timetraveler has a great collection of Synths, Drums and Guitars. I'd love to purchase that one and Modern Songwriter. The only downside is that each one of those costs $200 and up. Later, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: dennis barton To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: sgroup sample disks I juat saw a company that make Roland CDRs. I know nothing about em - just thought someone might be interested.. http://www.esoundz.com/products_roland.htm |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 31 01:43:42 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14982>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:43:36 -0400 Received: from siaag1af.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14982>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:43:25 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1af.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id BAA08455 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:42:58 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup sample disks To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200207310143_MC3-1-8DB-5E04@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Hey Dennis, > >That company isn't new at all. It's Ilio/Sonic Reality/Spectrasonics. These >were the discs that I was telling everyone about here on this mailing list >for a while. You should inquire Ilio about their demo discs. I have no interest in sample discs at all. I was just passing it on.. peace |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 31 16:11:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14981>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:11:46 -0400 Received: from randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.237]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14981>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:11:43 -0400 Received: from smui03.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.22]) by randall.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Zzoo-0006oF-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:11:38 -0400 Received: by smui03.slb.mindspring.net id QAA0000031020; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:11:36 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Reply-To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Subject: sgroup Responses from the SampleBytes Guy Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 216.142.43.178 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I emailed the guy selling Akai S1000 format sample CDs in ebay. Here are his two replies (so far): Here's a list of the CD's on an auction with pricing of 5 CD's for $50: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=896320406 Akai S1000 format is not a problem for me, that's what I primarily program them for. I'm working on making sample MP3's for each of the CD's, but that's something in the future. (Along with finishing my website. Pictures of all of my gear is nice, but I think that people would want more information on what I do. :) ) The MP3 you heard has samples from a few different synths, actually. ********** They're made to order, I keep the S1000 image files on a hard drive for easy access. Turnaround time on an order is about 2 days, I distribute them on CD- R. I had a guy offer to set me up with East/West, but then I'd have to charge $100 per CD or something to keep them happy. Yes, the EX7 is the closest I have to the DX7. I'm trying to get my hands on a DX7 for a month, but no one wants to loan theirs out. :) You can post my email address to the list if you'd like. Free advertising hasn't hurt me yet. ;) I'm hoping to add Acid Loop CD's to my lineup soon as well. I've just been busy with sampling as of late. Steve http://www.samplebytes.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 31 20:19:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14982>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:19:29 -0400 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14982>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:19:22 -0400 Received: from JumboR@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.a9.2b45b2ab (4238) for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:19:11 -0400 (EDT) From: JumboR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:19:11 -0400 Subject: sgroup How to make a CD backup of Roland samples? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 9 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I know this has been covered on the list in recent weeks, but here goes anyway--- I'm trying to make a CD backup of the Roland sample files that I have on a Jaz cartridge. These are my favorite files that I have culled from 20 or so CD roms. I know I've done this in the past, but I can't seem to get it happening now. Using Toast 4.1.2 on a Mac G4, if I put the jaz cart in before launching Toast, I can only choose to eject or initialize the Roland Jaz cart. If I launch Toast first, and then put in the Jaz cart, Toast will display the Jaz drive in its (Toast's) "Disk Copy" window, but when you select it, the icon for the jaz drive goes away, and nothing further happens. I tried making a disk image using "Disk Copy", but the disk images come out too big to fit on a CD, no matter how I set the preferences in Disk Copy. Any ideas, sgroupers? When I did this before, I used an earlier version of Toast. Maybe the new version can't do it? Thanks for any input. Rich Eames - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 31 21:34:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14982>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:34:13 -0400 Received: from mail.cwjamaica.com ([200.10.152.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14982>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:34:02 -0400 Received: from [208.163.44.176] by mail.cwjamaica.com with ESMTP id <20020801003148.EZES12276.mail@[208.163.44.176]>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:31:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp//richardsven.com@pop3.postoffice.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:33:43 -0400 To: JumboR@aol.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup How to make a CD backup of Roland samples? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I use Device Copy under others in Toast 5, which works fine.. not disk copy, use device copy, on previous version it was scsi copy. rsp At 8:19 PM -0400 31/7/2002, JumboR@aol.com wrote: >I know this has been covered on the list in recent weeks, but here goes >anyway--- > >I'm trying to make a CD backup of the Roland sample files that I have on a >Jaz cartridge. These are my favorite files that I have culled from 20 or so >CD roms. I know I've done this in the past, but I can't seem to get it >happening now. Using Toast 4.1.2 on a Mac G4, if I put the jaz cart in before >launching Toast, I can only choose to eject or initialize the Roland Jaz >cart. If I launch Toast first, and then put in the Jaz cart, Toast will >display the Jaz drive in its (Toast's) "Disk Copy" window, but when you >select it, the icon for the jaz drive goes away, and nothing further happens. >I tried making a disk image using "Disk Copy", but the disk images come out >too big to fit on a CD, no matter how I set the preferences in Disk Copy. > >Any ideas, sgroupers? > >When I did this before, I used an earlier version of Toast. Maybe the new >version can't do it? > >Thanks for any input. >Rich Eames > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -- richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jul 31 23:51:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14981>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:51:35 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14982>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:51:32 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g713pL525156 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:51:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14982>; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:12:36 -0400 Received: from msn ([65.102.103.108]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801031231.DUXS8147.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@msn> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:12:31 +0000 Message-ID: <00d601c2390a$275c1ec0$0201a8c0@com> From: "Patrick Berry" To: References: Subject: sgroup S-550 Remote control and SDisk Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:18:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello group, Been a lurker for a long time. I own an S-550. Sold my S-50 and decided to go with the rack unit. A couple of questions.......as I was never very good at interpreting the "manual" that came with the S-50, as far as sampling, and the S-550 is just as cryptic to me, I am wondering if there is someplace on line to download clear concise instructions on sampling with the S550 as well as just using the unit. Can anyone tell me where I might be able to get the remote control unit for the S550? And, I have never!!!! been able to figure out how to use SDisk...................(that says that in a nut shell). Anyone that can help with that? , , , as I believe to understand there is perhaps other software available to use with the S550, if one is able to use SDisk. Hope not too many questions for a long time user of the S 50 550 series machine.........mainly as a sample play back machine.....as I like the sounds,,,but one who has never quite understood the potential available to me. Thanks Patrick Berry - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.