From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 1 01:46:16 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3369>; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 01:46:10 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3368>; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 01:46:00 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g515jg314296 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 01:45:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11241>; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:45:15 -0400 Received: from user-2ivf471.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.144.225] helo=opel) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17DxxA-0003Ge-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:45:12 -0400 From: "Edward Raison" To: Subject: sgroup hello Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:45:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I just joined the group. Anybody out there? I got a s-50 a few months ago. Since the novelty of the tedious sampling and patch making process wore off, I've been using it primarily for a midi controller. Now I'm thinking about making an app to take a directory of wav files on the windows computer, and format them onto a disk ready to stick in and load up on the s-50. Has anyone done this, or thought about it? later, --ed - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 1 08:53:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3368>; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:53:16 -0400 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.157]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3368>; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:53:06 -0400 Received: from user-2ive371.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.12.225] helo=mindspring.com) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17E8NN-000482-00; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 08:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF8C3B5.A010A974@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:53:09 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edward Raison , Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup hello References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Edward Raison wrote: > Now I'm thinking about making an app to take a directory of wav files on the > windows computer, and format them onto a disk ready to stick in and load up > on the s-50. Has anyone done this, or thought about it? There's a fellow on this list named Ingo Debus who has done this for the Atari ST. He may respond to your email but if not, contact me off-list for his email address. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 1 14:49:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3368>; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:49:32 -0400 Received: from richardson.uni2.net ([130.227.52.104]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3368>; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:49:22 -0400 Received: from s180499 (p462-94.ppp.get2net.dk [195.47.137.222]) by richardson.uni2.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g51IiDh11763; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:44:13 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c2099c$6a8144c0$de892fc3@s180499> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lars-Peder_Nyrup_B=F8gh?= To: "Jesse Segovia" , "Edward Raison" , "Sampler Group" References: <3CF8C3B5.A010A974@mindspring.com> Subject: Sv: sgroup hello Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:44:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Yes... and well... there used to be this thing called "SampleEd" that did it on = MS-Dos machines... But it's not been there for awhile. I think it was = some Italian who made that beauty, but sadly it has wanished... nyrup ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jesse Segovia To: Edward Raison ; Sampler Group = Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: Re: sgroup hello > Edward Raison wrote: > > Now I'm thinking about making an app to take a directory of wav = files on the > > windows computer, and format them onto a disk ready to stick in and = load up > > on the s-50. Has anyone done this, or thought about it? >=20 > There's a fellow on this list named Ingo Debus who has done this for = the > Atari ST. He may respond to your email but if not, contact me = off-list > for his email address. >=20 > Jesse >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 1 15:10:11 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3368>; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:10:05 -0400 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.246]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3368>; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:09:55 -0400 Received: from user-2ivf471.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.144.225] helo=opel) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17EEG9-0006R0-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 15:09:53 -0400 From: "Edward Raison" To: "Sampler Group" Subject: RE: sgroup hello Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:09:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c2099c$6a8144c0$de892fc3@s180499> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks for the tips! I found a program called D-Sound by Stefano Daino for the mac last night, so my project for today is to pull my 6 year old Performa powerPC out of the junk closet and get it running. Apparently with D-sound you can take an s-50 formatted disk and replace sound banks with wavs or aiffs, but I have not tried it yet. I have a toshiba libretto 100ct which sets perfectly on the open space on the s-50's panel. I run simsynth, digital orchestrator pro, and the retro as-1 synth module on it. My lo-fi dream is to have a complete sample management system on it... maybe I should just keep doing sampling with the s-50 until it becomes second nateure and is not such a tedious hassle to make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" automotive headrest lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the big, ancient monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic samplers? --ed -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Lars-Peder Nyrup Bøgh Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 2:45 PM To: Jesse Segovia; Edward Raison; Sampler Group Subject: Sv: sgroup hello Yes... and well... there used to be this thing called "SampleEd" that did it on MS-Dos machines... But it's not been there for awhile. I think it was some Italian who made that beauty, but sadly it has wanished... nyrup ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: Edward Raison ; Sampler Group Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: Re: sgroup hello > Edward Raison wrote: > > Now I'm thinking about making an app to take a directory of wav files on the > > windows computer, and format them onto a disk ready to stick in and load up > > on the s-50. Has anyone done this, or thought about it? > > There's a fellow on this list named Ingo Debus who has done this for the > Atari ST. He may respond to your email but if not, contact me off-list > for his email address. > > Jesse > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 2 21:08:53 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-21035>; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:08:46 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21035>; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:08:40 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.81.163]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020603010837.WAKF5116.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 01:08:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c20a9a$551cfe40$a351580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , Subject: sgroup Sample CDs Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:02:27 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C20A78.CCFED040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C20A78.CCFED040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, I'm just curious to know if anyone would be willing to buy this set from = me, and how much they'd be willing to pay for it: (1) Bob Clearmountain Drums Vol. 1 (2) Alesis DM5 Drum Module Sample CD (3) Zero G Sampling Showcase (Many of Zero Gs Sample CDs on one audio = CD) (4) Supersonic Demo Sample CD (Pianos, Basses, Guitars, Winds, etc) (5) Roland Prewiew CD-ROM (Roland Sample CDs, Zero G, East West, etc) (6) Roland Sampling Showcase (AMG, Best Service, Time + Space Audio CD) I'm looking to get a sample CD that I'd actually want to use (I'm just = not using these CDs). Someone put up and offer and I'll let you know if = I'd part with them. Thanks, Harold P.S. - If I'm violating any rules for some reason, I apologize. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C20A78.CCFED040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
I'm just curious to know if anyone = would be willing=20 to buy this set from me, and how much they'd be willing to pay for=20 it:
 
(1) Bob Clearmountain Drums Vol. = 1
(2) Alesis DM5 Drum Module Sample = CD
(3) Zero G Sampling Showcase (Many of = Zero Gs=20 Sample CDs on one audio CD)
(4) Supersonic Demo Sample CD (Pianos, = Basses,=20 Guitars, Winds, etc)
(5) Roland Prewiew CD-ROM (Roland = Sample CDs, Zero=20 G, East West, etc)
(6) Roland Sampling Showcase (AMG, Best = Service,=20 Time + Space Audio CD)
 
I'm looking to get a sample CD that I'd = actually=20 want to use (I'm just not using these CDs). Someone put up and offer and = I'll=20 let you know if I'd part with them.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
P.S. - If I'm violating any rules for = some reason,=20 I apologize.
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C20A78.CCFED040-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 2 21:32:48 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-21036>; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:32:40 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21035>; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:32:34 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.81.163]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020603013230.WPOL5116.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 01:32:30 +0000 Message-ID: <003001c20a9d$ab596160$a351580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Sorry Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:26:19 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C20A7C.22E74700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C20A7C.22E74700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry All, Disregard the last email. I didn't know ALL of these sample CDs are not = resellable. Thanks, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C20A7C.22E74700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry All,
 
Disregard the last email. I didn't know = ALL of=20 these sample CDs are not resellable.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 3 01:05:09 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 01:05:00 -0400 Received: from siaag2ad.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.134]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 01:04:54 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id BAA11844; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 01:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 01:04:35 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup hello To: Edward Raison , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200206030104_MC3-1-67-6F31@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" automotive headre= st >lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the big, ancient >monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic samplers? --ed Where do you get these? My color monitor is way too big! Anyone see any low cost LCD stuff? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 3 09:50:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:50:31 -0400 Received: from smtp.unc.edu (smtpsrv10.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.241]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:50:16 -0400 Received: from ho08ed (dhcp8455.dhcp.unc.edu [152.2.214.73]) by smtp.unc.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g53Dng9X005596 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:49:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Edward Raison" To: Subject: sgroup LCDs Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:49:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: <200206030104_MC3-1-67-6F31@compuserve.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've seen them at circuit city... but the best price I've seen is on ebay; there's always at least a few of these up there. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1356368394 just a basic lcd screen with a composite input. -----Original Message----- From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:05 AM To: Edward Raison; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup hello >make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" automotive headrest >lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the big, ancient >monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic samplers? --ed Where do you get these? My color monitor is way too big! Anyone see any low cost LCD stuff? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 3 11:06:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:06:15 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:06:14 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id IAA26536; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma026534; Mon, 3 Jun 02 08:16:35 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g53F58R63602 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:05:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 09:10:14 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-33-37.tnt5.me2.uunet.de [149.225.33.37]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA07477 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:10:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3CFA0DAD.48C02F52@cityweb.de> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:21:02 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup hello References: <3CF8C3B5.A010A974@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Jesse Segovia wrote: > > Edward Raison wrote: > > Now I'm thinking about making an app to take a directory of wav files on the > > windows computer, and format them onto a disk ready to stick in and load up > > on the s-50. Has anyone done this, or thought about it? > > There's a fellow on this list named Ingo Debus who has done this for the > Atari ST. He may respond to your email but if not, contact me off-list > for his email address. Here I am. :-) No, my program cannot do what Edward wants. It can't write to disks in Roland format, but communicates via MIDI Sysex with the sampler. And it doesn't support the S-50. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 3 14:22:03 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:21:55 -0400 Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net ([62.190.223.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:21:49 -0400 Received: from Abit (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E2E8A1600015B for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:21:43 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: Subject: RE: sgroup Sorry Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C20B33.E4B94560" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <003001c20a9d$ab596160$a351580c@epu1> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C20B33.E4B94560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do you mean they are not sellable? You mean once you have them you can't sell them at all - even if you no longer have your sampler?? Imagine if that applied to cars...I would never afford a new one :-( Regards, -=Glyn=- -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Harold Everton, Jr. Sent: 03 June 2002 02:26 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Sorry Sorry All, Disregard the last email. I didn't know ALL of these sample CDs are not resellable. Thanks, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C20B33.E4B94560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What=20 do you mean they are not sellable?
 
You=20 mean once you have them you can't sell them at all - even if you no = longer have=20 your sampler??
 
Imagine if that applied to cars...I would = never afford=20 a new one :-(
 
Regards,
-=3DGlyn=3D-
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Harold = Everton,=20 Jr.
Sent: 03 June 2002 02:26
To:=20 sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject: sgroup = Sorry

Sorry All,
 
Disregard the last email. I didn't = know ALL of=20 these sample CDs are not resellable.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 3 14:54:37 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:54:29 -0400 Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.97]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:54:18 -0400 Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.136.ebe19b4 (3960) for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: DAJA300@aol.com Message-ID: <136.ebe19b4.2a2d154f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:54:07 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup hello To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ingo are you registered on notator.org or comp.sys sites? Dave >>No, my program cannot do what Edward wants. It can't write to disks in Roland format, but communicates via MIDI Sysex with the sampler. And it doesn't support the S-50. Ingo<< - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 3 15:52:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:52:22 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:52:11 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id NAA27337; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma027335; Mon, 3 Jun 02 13:03:19 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g53Jpp274713 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:51:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.86]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:17:31 -0400 Received: from smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay02-en1 [10.13.10.225]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g53JHPEM007688 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g53JHJKs016408 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([63.172.79.104]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GX59KV00.CBA for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:17:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:17:23 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Sorry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Josh Carter To: Roland Sgroup Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <888CF4CD-7726-11D6-A881-0003930EC1DA@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The license for the samples is almost always to the original purchaser=20= *only* -- it's not transferable. So technically you can sell the CD, but=20= the license to use the samples on them won't go with. -Josh On Monday, June 3, 2002, at 12:21 PM, Glyn wrote: > What do you mean they are not sellable? > =A0 > You mean once you have them you can't sell them at all - even if you = no=20 > longer have your sampler?? > =A0 > Imagine if that applied to cars...I would never afford a new one :-( > =A0 > Regards, > -=3DGlyn=3D- > =A0 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca [mailto:owner- > sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Harold Everton, Jr. > Sent: 03 June 2002 02:26 > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup Sorry > > Sorry All, > =A0 > Disregard the last email. I didn't know ALL of these sample CDs are = not=20 > resellable. > =A0 > Thanks, > Harold > =A0 > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 3 22:17:08 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:17:01 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:16:44 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.96.181]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020604021641.WOXV19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:16:41 +0000 Message-ID: <004401c20b6c$ff931d00$b560580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , References: <3cf64e9a.6510.0@telus.net> <000b01c20802$44f41980$1855580c@epu1> Subject: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs. Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:10:27 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C20B4B.7785B7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C20B4B.7785B7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, So I have another question. Since copying sample CDs are illegal (which = I know already and have never done), and also - re-selling Sample CDs = are illegal. What happens to those guys at Nicebytes who sample sounds = from synths and then sell them for samplers on the web (Examples: = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001 )? What happens to guys like these? With the same logic, the samples on = these CDs would be samples of other musicians' performances and patch = creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be illegal?=20 Just out of curiosity, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C20B4B.7785B7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
So I have another question. Since = copying sample=20 CDs are illegal (which I know already and have never done), and also -=20 re-selling Sample CDs are illegal. What happens to those guys at = Nicebytes who=20 sample sounds from synths and then sell them for samplers on the web = (Examples:=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001=  )?
 
What happens to guys like these? With = the same=20 logic, the samples on these CDs would be samples of other musicians'=20 performances and patch creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be = illegal?=20
 
Just out of curiosity,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C20B4B.7785B7E0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 3 22:29:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:29:36 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26505>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:29:25 -0400 Received: from sjspc (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.017.1) id 3CFB307500048115; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:29:05 -0700 Message-ID: <02b401c20b6f$96587490$6501a8c0@sjspc> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , , References: <3cf64e9a.6510.0@telus.net> <000b01c20802$44f41980$1855580c@epu1> <004401c20b6c$ff931d00$b560580c@epu1> Subject: Re: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs. Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:29:00 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B1_01C20B34.E98B9880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B1_01C20B34.E98B9880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PRESUMABLY...they have obtained the rights from the manufacturers of = those synths... But its also possible that if they sample from one = audio output to the audio input (aka...don't copy the raw wave = data)....and actually resample the sound coming out of the audio outs on = the old synth....its remotely possibly they can get away with it...since = synth manufacturers do not place any kind of sample copyright on the = sounds coming out the audio output of a synth. Anyone that uses a Korg = M1, for example, whether they be the original owner or the 10th = owner....can make recordings that include the Korg M1 sounds...and they = don't have to pay Korg anything for those sounds... As far as you the user....there would be no difference or way to get you = in trouble I should say..if you used a sample of a Korg M1 instead of an = actual M1 to make a CD of music and sell it... As far as legalities for = the sample company....I'm not entirely sure what applies there.... = Interesting question. That's their problem. :-) Personally, I find it offensive that sample libs are licensed for = original owners only...when we are talking about generic sounds. For = example, if I get and use a string library that has nothing but string = sounds on it. I use a midi keyboard to record a bunch of string parts = using those string sounds...then I decide I want different string sounds = and sell my string sample lib to someone else...I just don't see why I = shouldn't be able to do that. Its no different then if I bought a = hardware keyboard and then sold it to someone else. However, when we are talking about other things...such as definitive = soundbytes or loops. Things that people recorded which I am going to = largely just put into my recording without having to play a single note = on a midi keyboard... Loops mostly, and sound effects. Well, those may = very well have a right to be licensed exclusively to the person who = first buys them. Otherwise 10 people might use those produced loops and = the composer only got paid for 1. Where do you draw the line between = relicensable and non? I don't think they can very well. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs. Hey All, So I have another question. Since copying sample CDs are illegal = (which I know already and have never done), and also - re-selling Sample = CDs are illegal. What happens to those guys at Nicebytes who sample = sounds from synths and then sell them for samplers on the web (Examples: = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001 )? What happens to guys like these? With the same logic, the samples on = these CDs would be samples of other musicians' performances and patch = creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be illegal?=20 Just out of curiosity, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_02B1_01C20B34.E98B9880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
PRESUMABLY...they have obtained the = rights from the=20 manufacturers of those synths...  But its also possible that if = they sample=20 from one audio output to the audio input (aka...don't copy the raw wave=20 data)....and actually resample the sound coming out of the audio outs on = the old=20 synth....its remotely possibly they can get away with it...since synth=20 manufacturers do not place any kind of sample copyright on the sounds = coming out=20 the audio output of a synth.  Anyone that uses a Korg M1, for = example,=20 whether they be the original owner or the 10th owner....can make = recordings that=20 include the Korg M1 sounds...and they don't have to pay Korg anything = for those=20 sounds...
 
As far as you the user....there would = be no=20 difference or way to get you in trouble I should say..if you used a = sample=20 of a Korg M1 instead of an actual M1 to make a CD of music and sell = it...  As far as legalities for the sample company....I'm not = entirely sure=20 what applies there....  Interesting question.  That's their=20 problem.  :-)
 
Personally, I find it offensive that = sample libs=20 are licensed for original owners only...when we are talking about = generic=20 sounds.  For example, if I get and use a string library that has = nothing=20 but string sounds on it.  I use a midi keyboard to record a bunch = of string=20 parts using those string sounds...then I decide I want different string = sounds=20 and sell my string sample lib to someone else...I just don't see why I = shouldn't=20 be able to do that.  Its no different then if I bought a hardware = keyboard=20 and then sold it to someone else.
 
However, when we are talking about = other=20 things...such as definitive soundbytes or loops.  Things that = people=20 recorded which I am going to largely just put into my recording without = having=20 to play a single note on a midi keyboard...  Loops mostly, and = sound=20 effects.  Well, those may very well have a right to be = licensed=20 exclusively to the person who first buys them.  Otherwise 10 people = might=20 use those produced loops and the composer only got paid for 1.  = Where do=20 you draw the line between relicensable and non?  I don't think they = can=20 very well.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.
To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups= .com=20 ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 = 7:10 PM
Subject: sgroup More Questions = About=20 Sample CDs.

Hey All,
 
So I have another question. Since = copying sample=20 CDs are illegal (which I know already and have never done), and also - = re-selling Sample CDs are illegal. What happens to those guys at = Nicebytes who=20 sample sounds from synths and then sell them for samplers on the web=20 (Examples: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001=  )?
 
What happens to guys like these? With = the same=20 logic, the samples on these CDs would be samples of other musicians'=20 performances and patch creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be = illegal?=20
 
Just out of curiosity,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_02B1_01C20B34.E98B9880-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 3 22:58:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:58:24 -0400 Received: from VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26504>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:58:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([24.201.27.101]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GX5UWZ03.X7N for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:58:11 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:58:12 -0400 Subject: FW: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs. From: "R.Lemay" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3105989892_8543702_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3105989892_8543702_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ---------- From: R.Lemay Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:56:34 -0400 To: Steve Schow Subject: Re: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs. Well, personally, I find indecent this kind of abusive licensing clause. The customer CAN'T make a mistake; at sometimes over $300 for a single CD (not even full), you absolutely need to get the right one for what you intend to do. How about the samples built into the synth? And who could verify who is the actual original buyer? We all need to keep the receipts from our purchases or we could end up in jail? In a world of outrageous copyright violations, this just don't fit in. I agree that one could expect to get money for its work (that is why there is a price tag on the CD) and I agree that if you end up making millions selling hits to the world you should buy the sample CDs that you used but to prevent anybody else to even use (for fun) commercial samples would be like banning musicians to privately play someone else's song without a written permission! You buy, you use, its cool. You don't use, you sell, that IS fair to all. Like a music CD, no? Or maybe... Just my humble opinion; don't all get upset ;-) R. Lemay --MS_Mac_OE_3105989892_8543702_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable FW: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs.
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From: R.Lemay <sremmele@videotron.ca>
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:56:34 -0400
To: Steve Schow <steve@bstage.com>
Subject: Re: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs.


Well, personally, I find indecent this kind of abusive licensin= g clause. The customer CAN'T make a mistake; at sometimes over $300
for a single CD (not even full), you absolutely need to get the right one f= or what you intend to do.
How about the samples built into the synth?
And who could verify who is the actual original buyer?
We all need to keep the receipts from our purchases or we could end up in j= ail?
In a world of outrageous copyright violations, this just don't fit in. I ag= ree that one could expect to get money for its work (that is why there is a = price tag on the CD) and I agree that if you end up making millions selling = hits to the world you should buy the sample CDs that you used but to prevent= anybody else to even use (for fun) commercial samples would be like banning= musicians to privately play someone else's song without a written permissio= n!
You buy, you use, its cool.
You don't use, you sell, that IS fair to all.
Like a music CD, no? Or maybe...




Just my humble opinion; don't all get upset ;-)

R. Lemay
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From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 4 06:53:13 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1145>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:53:04 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1145>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:53:01 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.84.24]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020604105256.EOYD19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:52:56 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c20bb5$1f2b1b20$1854580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: "Steve Schow" , , References: <3cf64e9a.6510.0@telus.net> <000b01c20802$44f41980$1855580c@epu1> <004401c20b6c$ff931d00$b560580c@epu1> <02b401c20b6f$96587490$6501a8c0@sjspc> Subject: Re: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs. Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:46:43 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20B93.96E3BA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20B93.96E3BA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Steve, I feel the same way you do about Sample CDs. According to a generic = letter from Eric Persing (spectrasonics), the idea that only loop CDs = should be subject to the laws that currently subject themselves to ALL = sample CDs should only be placed on loops CDs are only a matter of a = opinion. I CAN understand the argument that selling loop CDs is another bag, = however re-selling sample CDs that contain bread and butter sounds? I'm = not going to play like I didn't know some of these rules already, but = I'm glad I started this post and tried to sell my Sample CDs here, = because this time I really learned a lot from you guys. Personally, this = offends and disgusts me and truly makes me not want to buy any sample CD = at all. This just means that if I sell my sampler, the sample CDs I have = will be garbage because I couldn't do squat with any of them - Like a = waste of money. OMG, if there was a reason to go around and sample your own sounds - = THIS would be it. Later, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Schow=20 To: Harold Everton, Jr. ; Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com ; = sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:29 PM Subject: Re: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs. PRESUMABLY...they have obtained the rights from the manufacturers of = those synths... But its also possible that if they sample from one = audio output to the audio input (aka...don't copy the raw wave = data)....and actually resample the sound coming out of the audio outs on = the old synth....its remotely possibly they can get away with it...since = synth manufacturers do not place any kind of sample copyright on the = sounds coming out the audio output of a synth. Anyone that uses a Korg = M1, for example, whether they be the original owner or the 10th = owner....can make recordings that include the Korg M1 sounds...and they = don't have to pay Korg anything for those sounds... =20 As far as you the user....there would be no difference or way to get = you in trouble I should say..if you used a sample of a Korg M1 instead = of an actual M1 to make a CD of music and sell it... As far as = legalities for the sample company....I'm not entirely sure what applies = there.... Interesting question. That's their problem. :-) =20 Personally, I find it offensive that sample libs are licensed for = original owners only...when we are talking about generic sounds. For = example, if I get and use a string library that has nothing but string = sounds on it. I use a midi keyboard to record a bunch of string parts = using those string sounds...then I decide I want different string sounds = and sell my string sample lib to someone else...I just don't see why I = shouldn't be able to do that. Its no different then if I bought a = hardware keyboard and then sold it to someone else. =20 However, when we are talking about other things...such as definitive = soundbytes or loops. Things that people recorded which I am going to = largely just put into my recording without having to play a single note = on a midi keyboard... Loops mostly, and sound effects. Well, those may = very well have a right to be licensed exclusively to the person who = first buys them. Otherwise 10 people might use those produced loops and = the composer only got paid for 1. Where do you draw the line between = relicensable and non? I don't think they can very well. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs. Hey All, So I have another question. Since copying sample CDs are illegal = (which I know already and have never done), and also - re-selling Sample = CDs are illegal. What happens to those guys at Nicebytes who sample = sounds from synths and then sell them for samplers on the web (Examples: = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001 )? What happens to guys like these? With the same logic, the samples on = these CDs would be samples of other musicians' performances and patch = creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be illegal?=20 Just out of curiosity, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20B93.96E3BA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Steve,
 
I feel the same way you do about Sample = CDs.=20 According to a generic letter from Eric Persing (spectrasonics), the = idea that=20 only loop CDs should be subject to the laws that currently subject = themselves to=20 ALL sample CDs should only be placed on loops CDs are only a matter of a = opinion.
 
I CAN understand the argument that = selling loop CDs=20 is another bag, however re-selling sample CDs that contain bread and = butter=20 sounds? I'm not going to play like I didn't know some of these rules = already,=20 but I'm glad I started this post and tried to sell my Sample CDs here, = because=20 this time I really learned a lot from you guys. Personally, this offends = and=20 disgusts me and truly makes me not want to buy any sample CD at all. = This just=20 means that if I sell my sampler, the sample CDs I have will be garbage = because I=20 couldn't do squat with any of them - Like a waste of money.
 
OMG, if there was a reason to go around = and sample=20 your own sounds - THIS would be it.
 
Later,
Harold
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = Schow=20
To: Harold Everton, Jr. ; Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com= ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 = 10:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: sgroup More = Questions About=20 Sample CDs.

PRESUMABLY...they have obtained the = rights from=20 the manufacturers of those synths...  But its also possible that = if they=20 sample from one audio output to the audio input (aka...don't copy the = raw wave=20 data)....and actually resample the sound coming out of the audio outs = on the=20 old synth....its remotely possibly they can get away with it...since = synth=20 manufacturers do not place any kind of sample copyright on the sounds = coming=20 out the audio output of a synth.  Anyone that uses a Korg M1, for = example, whether they be the original owner or the 10th owner....can = make=20 recordings that include the Korg M1 sounds...and they don't have to = pay Korg=20 anything for those sounds...
 
As far as you the user....there would = be no=20 difference or way to get you in trouble I should say..if you used a = sample=20 of a Korg M1 instead of an actual M1 to make a CD of music and = sell=20 it...  As far as legalities for the sample company....I'm not = entirely=20 sure what applies there....  Interesting question.  That's = their=20 problem.  :-)
 
Personally, I find it offensive that = sample libs=20 are licensed for original owners only...when we are talking about = generic=20 sounds.  For example, if I get and use a string library that has = nothing=20 but string sounds on it.  I use a midi keyboard to record a bunch = of=20 string parts using those string sounds...then I decide I want = different string=20 sounds and sell my string sample lib to someone else...I just don't = see why I=20 shouldn't be able to do that.  Its no different then if I bought = a=20 hardware keyboard and then sold it to someone else.
 
However, when we are talking about = other=20 things...such as definitive soundbytes or loops.  Things that = people=20 recorded which I am going to largely just put into my recording = without having=20 to play a single note on a midi keyboard...  Loops mostly, and = sound=20 effects.  Well, those may very well have a right to be = licensed=20 exclusively to the person who first buys them.  Otherwise 10 = people might=20 use those produced loops and the composer only got paid for 1.  = Where do=20 you draw the line between relicensable and non?  I don't think = they can=20 very well.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, Jr. =
To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com= ; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 = 7:10=20 PM
Subject: sgroup More = Questions About=20 Sample CDs.

Hey All,
 
So I have another question. Since = copying=20 sample CDs are illegal (which I know already and have never done), = and also=20 - re-selling Sample CDs are illegal. What happens to those guys at = Nicebytes=20 who sample sounds from synths and then sell them for samplers on the = web=20 (Examples: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001=  )?
 
What happens to guys like these? = With the same=20 logic, the samples on these CDs would be samples of other musicians' = performances and patch creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be = illegal?=20
 
Just out of curiosity,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C20B93.96E3BA40-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 4 06:58:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1145>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:57:59 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.47]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1145>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:57:49 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.84.24]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020604105739.ZVLX13408.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:57:39 +0000 Message-ID: <002601c20bb5$c808c800$1854580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , References: <200206041144.AA208144040@alexandria.hpo.net> Subject: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:51:27 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C20B94.401CF4A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C20B94.401CF4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Geoff, It's not a matter of me being obsessed, its just about me trying to find = out information and understand these restrictions. I've read many = articles about the illegal copying of CDs and how they catch them, but = I'm not trying to copy anything, I was just trying to get rid of CDs = which I have no use for. Now that you and other bought up information, = and there is not enough literature out there that deal with re-selling = sample CDs, I'm asking some of you, who seem to be very aware of all of = the legalities behind Sample CDs.=20 Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Geoffrey Carter=20 To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. Harold, You could contact Nicebytes and ask them about their policy. First, = check to see it it's mentioned somewhere on their website. =20 If Nicebytes are really nice, they'll let anyone copy and resell their = wares. It's up to them. You sure seem obsessed with this issue :) Geof ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Harold Everton, Jr." Reply-To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:10:27 -0400 >Hey All, > >So I have another question. Since copying sample CDs are illegal = (which I know already and have never done), and also - re-selling Sample = CDs are illegal. What happens to those guys at Nicebytes who sample = sounds from synths and then sell them for samplers on the web (Examples: = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001 )? > >What happens to guys like these? With the same logic, the samples on = these CDs would be samples of other musicians' performances and patch = creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be illegal?=20 > >Just out of curiosity, >Harold > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Roland-XV-5080-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to = http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20 > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20 =20 =20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Roland-XV-5080-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C20B94.401CF4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Geoff,
 
It's not a matter of me being obsessed, = its just=20 about me trying to find out information and understand these = restrictions. I've=20 read many articles about the illegal copying of CDs and how they catch = them, but=20 I'm not trying to copy anything, I was just trying to get rid of CDs = which I=20 have no use for. Now that you and other bought up information, and there = is not=20 enough literature out there that deal with re-selling sample CDs, I'm = asking=20 some of you, who seem to be very aware of all of the legalities behind = Sample=20 CDs.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Geoffrey = Carter=20
To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com=
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 = 10:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Roland-XV-5080] = More=20 Questions About Sample CDs.

Harold,

You could contact Nicebytes and ask = them=20 about their policy.  First, check to see it it's mentioned = somewhere on=20 their website. 

If Nicebytes are really nice, they'll let = anyone=20 copy and resell their wares.  It's up to them.

You sure = seem=20 obsessed with this issue :)

Geof

---------- Original = Message=20 ----------------------------------
From: "Harold Everton, Jr."=20 <evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net>
Reply-To:=20 Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:10:27=20 -0400

>Hey All,
>
>So I have another question. = Since=20 copying sample CDs are illegal (which I know already and have never = done), and=20 also - re-selling Sample CDs are illegal. What happens to those guys = at=20 Nicebytes who sample sounds from synths and then sell them for = samplers on the=20 web (Examples: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001= =20 )?
>
>What happens to guys like these? With the same = logic, the=20 samples on these CDs would be samples of other musicians' performances = and=20 patch creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be illegal?=20
>
>Just out of=20 curiosity,
>Harold
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C20B94.401CF4A0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 4 08:59:38 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1146>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:59:28 -0400 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.190.223.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1146>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:59:21 -0400 Received: from Abit (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5209E1600011B for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:59:15 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: Subject: RE: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:59:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C20BD0.0964CFA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <002601c20bb5$c808c800$1854580c@epu1> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C20BD0.0964CFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My own personal take is this; If I have legally purchased any sample CD and I no longer have any use for it then I am prepared to sell it on. Likewise if I see any sample CD's for sale whether they be new or used I will buy them as long as they are originals and not copies. I have read the notes on many of my sample CD's (mostly genuine Roland discs) and I see nothing to dissuade me from selling them on if/when I no longer have any use for them. My guess is that someone read the Copyright Notice in a hurry and mis-interpreted the terms & conditions where it refers to the _reproduction_ or duplication of the contents of the disc _not_ the actual genuine article itself. Just my 2c worth... If I pay good money for a genuine article whether it be sample, music, DVD or whatever and I no longer have a use of it then I _will_ sell it on when I am finished with it. Nobody would persuade me otherwise. Now does anybody want to sell me their; Roland L-CDP-03 Roland L-CDP-06 Roland L-CDP-10 Roland L-CDP-11 Roland L-CD702 :-) Regards, -=Glyn=- An example of a Copyright Notice on the back of a $700 Roland Sample CD; The contents of this CD-ROM disc are licensed for commercial use - music production, public performance, broadcast etc. However, reproduction or duplication of the contents of the disc - in whole or in part, or by any means - for the purposes of giving, trading, lending, renting, re-issue or re-sale, is strictly prohibited without the express written consent of Roland Corporation. -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Harold Everton, Jr. Sent: 04 June 2002 11:51 To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. Hey Geoff, It's not a matter of me being obsessed, its just about me trying to find out information and understand these restrictions. I've read many articles about the illegal copying of CDs and how they catch them, but I'm not trying to copy anything, I was just trying to get rid of CDs which I have no use for. Now that you and other bought up information, and there is not enough literature out there that deal with re-selling sample CDs, I'm asking some of you, who seem to be very aware of all of the legalities behind Sample CDs. Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoffrey Carter To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. Harold, You could contact Nicebytes and ask them about their policy. First, check to see it it's mentioned somewhere on their website. If Nicebytes are really nice, they'll let anyone copy and resell their wares. It's up to them. You sure seem obsessed with this issue :) Geof ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Harold Everton, Jr." Reply-To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:10:27 -0400 >Hey All, > >So I have another question. Since copying sample CDs are illegal (which I know already and have never done), and also - re-selling Sample CDs are illegal. What happens to those guys at Nicebytes who sample sounds from synths and then sell them for samplers on the web (Examples: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=877959001 )? > >What happens to guys like these? With the same logic, the samples on these CDs would be samples of other musicians' performances and patch creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be illegal? > >Just out of curiosity, >Harold > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Roland-XV-5080-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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My own=20 personal take is this;
 
If I=20 have legally purchased any sample CD and I no longer have any use for it = then I=20 am prepared to sell it on.
 
Likewise if I see any sample CD's for sale = whether they=20 be new or used I will buy them as long as they are originals and not=20 copies.
 
I have=20 read the notes on many of my sample CD's (mostly genuine Roland discs) = and I see=20 nothing to dissuade me from selling them on if/when I no longer have any = use for=20 them.
 
My=20 guess is that someone read the Copyright Notice in a hurry and = mis-interpreted=20 the terms & conditions where it refers to the _reproduction_ or = duplication=20 of the contents of the disc _not_ the actual genuine article=20 itself.
 
Just=20 my 2c worth...
 
If I=20 pay good money for a genuine article whether it be sample, music, DVD or = whatever and I no longer have a use of it then I _will_ sell it on when = I am=20 finished with it.
 
Nobody=20 would persuade me otherwise.
 
Now=20 does anybody want to sell me their;
 
Roland=20 L-CDP-03
Roland=20 L-CDP-06
Roland=20 L-CDP-10
Roland=20 L-CDP-11
Roland=20 L-CD702
 
:-)
 
Regards,
-=3DGlyn=3D-
 
An=20 example of a Copyright Notice on the back of a $700 Roland Sample=20 CD;
 
The=20 contents of this CD-ROM disc are licensed for commercial use - music = production,=20 public performance, broadcast etc.
However, reproduction or duplication of the = contents of=20 the disc - in whole or in part, or by any means - for the purposes of = giving,=20 trading, lending, renting, re-issue or re-sale, is strictly prohibited = without=20 the express written consent of Roland Corporation.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Harold = Everton,=20 Jr.
Sent: 04 June 2002 11:51
To:=20 Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com; = sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject:=20 sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample=20 CDs.

Hey Geoff,
 
It's not a matter of me being = obsessed, its just=20 about me trying to find out information and understand these = restrictions.=20 I've read many articles about the illegal copying of CDs and how they = catch=20 them, but I'm not trying to copy anything, I was just trying to get = rid of CDs=20 which I have no use for. Now that you and other bought up information, = and=20 there is not enough literature out there that deal with re-selling = sample CDs,=20 I'm asking some of you, who seem to be very aware of all of the = legalities=20 behind Sample CDs.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Geoffrey = Carter=20
To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 = 10:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Roland-XV-5080] = More=20 Questions About Sample CDs.

Harold,

You could contact Nicebytes and = ask them=20 about their policy.  First, check to see it it's mentioned = somewhere on=20 their website. 

If Nicebytes are really nice, they'll = let=20 anyone copy and resell their wares.  It's up to = them.

You sure=20 seem obsessed with this issue :)

Geof

---------- = Original=20 Message ----------------------------------
From: "Harold Everton, = Jr."=20 <evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net>
Reply-To:=20 Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:10:27=20 -0400

>Hey All,
>
>So I have another question. = Since=20 copying sample CDs are illegal (which I know already and have never = done),=20 and also - re-selling Sample CDs are illegal. What happens to those = guys at=20 Nicebytes who sample sounds from synths and then sell them for = samplers on=20 the web (Examples: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001= =20 )?
>
>What happens to guys like these? With the same = logic, the=20 samples on these CDs would be samples of other musicians' = performances and=20 patch creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be illegal?=20
>
>Just out of=20 curiosity,
>Harold
>
>
>
>[Non-text = portions=20 of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
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>
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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C20BD0.0964CFA0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 4 09:14:26 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1145>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:14:20 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1146>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:14:05 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.114.86]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020604131352.HHEE19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:13:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c20bc8$d0181880$5672580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:07:40 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C20BA7.47846C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C20BA7.47846C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Glyn, Well, I wish it were that way, but according to the folks on these = newsgroups - It's not so, and I trust their word. It's kind of weird = though, I see people selling their Sample CDs on Ebay all the time (and = I'm not referring to those guys who are selling bulk sample CD ROMS, I'm = referring to those who are selling THEIR OWN copies or something they = bought new and is still shrink wrapped). I never knew that everyone of = those people who are selling Factory CD-ROMs on Ebay were all committing = crimes.=20 I guess the bottom line is that if I want a Sample CD, I have to either = get it from the store or from the company itself, never off of any = auction site. Later, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Glyn=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: RE: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample = CDs. My own personal take is this; =20 If I have legally purchased any sample CD and I no longer have any use = for it then I am prepared to sell it on. =20 Likewise if I see any sample CD's for sale whether they be new or used = I will buy them as long as they are originals and not copies. =20 I have read the notes on many of my sample CD's (mostly genuine Roland = discs) and I see nothing to dissuade me from selling them on if/when I = no longer have any use for them. =20 My guess is that someone read the Copyright Notice in a hurry and = mis-interpreted the terms & conditions where it refers to the = _reproduction_ or duplication of the contents of the disc _not_ the = actual genuine article itself. =20 Just my 2c worth... =20 If I pay good money for a genuine article whether it be sample, music, = DVD or whatever and I no longer have a use of it then I _will_ sell it = on when I am finished with it. =20 Nobody would persuade me otherwise. =20 Now does anybody want to sell me their; =20 Roland L-CDP-03 Roland L-CDP-06 Roland L-CDP-10 Roland L-CDP-11 Roland L-CD702 =20 :-) =20 Regards, -=3DGlyn=3D- =20 An example of a Copyright Notice on the back of a $700 Roland Sample = CD; =20 The contents of this CD-ROM disc are licensed for commercial use - = music production, public performance, broadcast etc. However, reproduction or duplication of the contents of the disc - in = whole or in part, or by any means - for the purposes of giving, trading, = lending, renting, re-issue or re-sale, is strictly prohibited without = the express written consent of Roland Corporation. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca = [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Harold Everton, Jr. Sent: 04 June 2002 11:51 To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample = CDs. Hey Geoff, It's not a matter of me being obsessed, its just about me trying to = find out information and understand these restrictions. I've read many = articles about the illegal copying of CDs and how they catch them, but = I'm not trying to copy anything, I was just trying to get rid of CDs = which I have no use for. Now that you and other bought up information, = and there is not enough literature out there that deal with re-selling = sample CDs, I'm asking some of you, who seem to be very aware of all of = the legalities behind Sample CDs.=20 Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Geoffrey Carter=20 To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. Harold, You could contact Nicebytes and ask them about their policy. = First, check to see it it's mentioned somewhere on their website. =20 If Nicebytes are really nice, they'll let anyone copy and resell = their wares. It's up to them. You sure seem obsessed with this issue :) Geof ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Harold Everton, Jr." Reply-To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:10:27 -0400 >Hey All, > >So I have another question. Since copying sample CDs are illegal = (which I know already and have never done), and also - re-selling Sample = CDs are illegal. What happens to those guys at Nicebytes who sample = sounds from synths and then sell them for samplers on the web (Examples: = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001 )? > >What happens to guys like these? With the same logic, the samples = on these CDs would be samples of other musicians' performances and patch = creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be illegal?=20 > >Just out of curiosity, >Harold > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Roland-XV-5080-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >=20 > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to = http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20 > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20 =20 =20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Roland-XV-5080-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of = Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C20BA7.47846C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Glyn,
 
Well, I wish it were that way, but = according to the=20 folks on these newsgroups - It's not so, and I trust their word. It's = kind of=20 weird though, I see people selling their Sample CDs on Ebay all the time = (and=20 I'm not referring to those guys who are selling bulk sample CD ROMS, I'm = referring to those who are selling THEIR OWN copies or something they = bought new=20 and is still shrink wrapped). I never knew that everyone of those people = who are=20 selling Factory CD-ROMs on Ebay were all committing crimes. =
 
I guess the bottom line is that if I = want a Sample=20 CD, I have to either get it from the store or from the company itself, = never off=20 of any auction site.
 
Later,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Glyn
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 = 8:59=20 AM
Subject: RE: sgroup Re: = [Roland-XV-5080]=20 More Questions About Sample CDs.

My=20 own personal take is this;
 
If I=20 have legally purchased any sample CD and I no longer have any use for = it then=20 I am prepared to sell it on.
 
Likewise if I see any sample CD's for sale = whether=20 they be new or used I will buy them as long as they are originals and = not=20 copies.
 
I=20 have read the notes on many of my sample CD's (mostly genuine Roland = discs)=20 and I see nothing to dissuade me from selling them on if/when I no = longer have=20 any use for them.
 
My=20 guess is that someone read the Copyright Notice in a hurry and = mis-interpreted=20 the terms & conditions where it refers to the _reproduction_ or=20 duplication of the contents of the disc _not_ the actual genuine = article=20 itself.
 
Just=20 my 2c worth...
 
If I=20 pay good money for a genuine article whether it be sample, music, DVD = or=20 whatever and I no longer have a use of it then I _will_ sell it on = when I am=20 finished with it.
 
Nobody would persuade me=20 otherwise.
 
Now=20 does anybody want to sell me their;
 
Roland L-CDP-03
Roland L-CDP-06
Roland L-CDP-10
Roland L-CDP-11
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An=20 example of a Copyright Notice on the back of a $700 Roland Sample=20 CD;
 
The=20 contents of this CD-ROM disc are licensed for commercial use - music=20 production, public performance, broadcast etc.
However, reproduction or duplication of the = contents=20 of the disc - in whole or in part, or by any means - for the purposes = of=20 giving, trading, lending, renting, re-issue or re-sale, is strictly = prohibited=20 without the express written consent of Roland = Corporation.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca = [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On Behalf=20 Of Harold Everton, Jr.
Sent: 04 June 2002 = 11:51
To:=20 Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com; = sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject:=20 sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample=20 CDs.

Hey Geoff,
 
It's not a matter of me being = obsessed, its=20 just about me trying to find out information and understand these=20 restrictions. I've read many articles about the illegal copying of = CDs and=20 how they catch them, but I'm not trying to copy anything, I was just = trying=20 to get rid of CDs which I have no use for. Now that you and other = bought up=20 information, and there is not enough literature out there that deal = with=20 re-selling sample CDs, I'm asking some of you, who seem to be very = aware of=20 all of the legalities behind Sample CDs.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Geoffrey Carter=20
To: Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com= =20
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 = 10:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: = [Roland-XV-5080] More=20 Questions About Sample CDs.

Harold,

You could contact Nicebytes and = ask them=20 about their policy.  First, check to see it it's mentioned = somewhere=20 on their website. 

If Nicebytes are really nice, = they'll let=20 anyone copy and resell their wares.  It's up to = them.

You sure=20 seem obsessed with this issue :)

Geof

---------- = Original=20 Message ----------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:10:27=20 -0400

>Hey All,
>
>So I have another = question. Since=20 copying sample CDs are illegal (which I know already and have = never done),=20 and also - re-selling Sample CDs are illegal. What happens to = those guys=20 at Nicebytes who sample sounds from synths and then sell them for = samplers=20 on the web (Examples: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D877959001= =20 )?
>
>What happens to guys like these? With the same = logic,=20 the samples on these CDs would be samples of other musicians' = performances=20 and patch creations. Wouldn't sample CDs like these be illegal?=20
>
>Just out of=20 curiosity,
>Harold
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C20BA7.47846C60-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 4 09:41:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1145>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:41:02 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net ([196.25.240.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1145>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:40:56 -0400 Received: from [155.239.89.156] (ndf53-08-156.gt.saix.net [155.239.89.156]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g54Dehv29570 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:40:44 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000e01c20bb5$1f2b1b20$1854580c@epu1> References: <3cf64e9a.6510.0@telus.net> <000b01c20802$44f41980$1855580c@epu1> <004401c20b6c$ff931d00$b560580c@epu1> <02b401c20b6f$96587490$6501a8c0@sjspc> <000e01c20bb5$1f2b1b20$1854580c@epu1> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:40:13 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup More Questions About Sample CDs. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'd like to add some thoughts to this whole thing..... In International Copyright Law, there are several concepts which must be understood to make sense of this whole sample CD story. Let's talk about purely musical works first: Any musical work is considered to be the composer's Intellectual Property and in essence, this always remains the property of the composer. As such, the creator of a musical Work is entitled to various royalties and licences. When a Work is PERFORMED, live in public, or by transmission via a medium such as TV or Radio or Cinema, a Performance Royalty becomes due to the composer. Performance Societies collect fees from TV & Radio stations and even from places where music is played to the public such as shopping malls, hairdressing salons, hotels etc etc etc. Assessments are made of which Works have been performed where and how often. Then the collected fees are distributed to members, and worldwide to the relative Royalty Societies. There is also a MECHANICAL right. This is the right to to make physical copies or reproductions of the Works contained within recordings. Sorry if this all sounds very wordy and pedantic, but this is how the laws are formulated. If Works are copied to media such as CD's, various forms of videotape, film, etc etc, then a Mechanical Royalty becomes payable to the composer. When this Royalty is paid, the composer effectively LICENCES the other party to make copies of his Works. Now, in real life, things get tricky. You as a composer create a film soundtrack. The film company wants to be able to sell their movie to anyone worldwide without having to consult you, the composer, every time they need to make a new copy of the film. So they ask you to ASSIGN your mechanical rights to them, or LICENSE the Works to them. (In the USA, it has become practice for "shady" contracts to obtain ALL rights from the composer for a fee, though this is not strictly necessary. You could retain your Performance rights and get paid every time your Works are broadcast, but this is another story.....) A fee is paid and the copies can be made, according to the licence deal. Now, try to apply some of this logic to Samples: The guy who has spent months recording, editing, looping and producing the finished product is effectively the composer. There's no way he could possibly control the performance of his "Works", as they will be edited, mixed and diluted into countless numbers of other musical Works. So, all he can do is make the best of his Mechanical rights by issuing a Licence to the Purchaser of his Work. So, you are not really paying the package price for a fancy plastic CD - you are becoming the rightsholder of a Work. As such, you are entitled to make an unlimited number of copies of the samples contained within the CD, as long as they are part of a musical work and not just another collection of samples. Whether you exercise that right or not is entirely your business, but it must be assumed that you will use the licensed Works or samples to some degree. Having done so, you are not empowered to pass on the CD to anyone else, for free or for profit, as you do not have the authority to issue a license to a further party to make use of the samples/Works. Please forward this mail to other groups that have been discussing this topic, if you feel it may help to shed some light on the subject. It has taken me many years to get to my current understanding of these laws, as they concern and affect me as a composer. The next major hurdle is the Internet. Royalty societies worldwide are in discussion on how to effectively monitor, license and control all of these rights via a medium which is in essence almost indefinable! Hope this makes some sense and leads to better understanding. Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 4 17:48:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1145>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:48:25 -0400 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1145>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:48:10 -0400 Received: from grifgraf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.88.198]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17FM9p-0000iE-0Y for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:48:01 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:48:32 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. From: Pete To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c20bb5$c808c800$1854580c@epu1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The composer in me agrees with Colin's explanation of Licensing & Royalty issues. However as a consumer living in the real world, I'm not so convinced. How many people here have bought, on CD, an album they already had on vinyl or cassette? Yeah, me too. but wait... > you are not really paying the package price for a fancy plastic > CD - you are becoming the rightsholder of a Work. Well, hold on, if you've bought the thing once, then you're already bought the rights to listen to it. If you merely want it on a different format then you should, in my opinion, only pay a nominal administrative fee. (Mind you, I didn't feel that was worth trying on down at the record store, what with those big security guards, and that hard hard pavement outside...) And as far as Sample CDs go, my personal feeling is that you SHOULD be able to transfer them to someone else, *as long as you haven't kept a copy*. Legally of course that transgresses your license; however some software companies allow you to transfer ownership of a serial number - Adobe, for example, use a Transfer of Ownership form which calls for signatures of the old and new licence-holders: > please complete and return a Transfer of Ownership form when you sell or give > away a single-user, retail version of an Adobe product that is registered in > your name. (Quoted from their website) Perhaps the Sample CD manufacturers could follow suit, or perhaps they would accept a change-of-ownership letter. In any case a draconian licensing contract would not deter me from buying a second-hand CD of Samples, but I'd feel happier about it if it were in the original packaging. Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 4 18:02:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1146>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:02:30 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1146>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:02:24 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.118.52]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020604220220.YGNN19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:02:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c20c12$a12b2860$3476580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:56:05 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey All, Well, being the law abiding debt carrying citizen that I am, I'm not trying to have anyone follow me, so I won't be buying second hand Sample CDs. If I do buy any in the future, it'd be in the clearance bin at Sam Ash!! Later, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete To: Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. > The composer in me agrees with Colin's explanation of Licensing & Royalty > issues. > > However as a consumer living in the real world, I'm not so convinced. How > many people here have bought, on CD, an album they already had on vinyl or > cassette? Yeah, me too. but wait... > > > you are not really paying the package price for a fancy plastic > > CD - you are becoming the rightsholder of a Work. > > Well, hold on, if you've bought the thing once, then you're already bought > the rights to listen to it. If you merely want it on a different format then > you should, in my opinion, only pay a nominal administrative fee. (Mind you, > I didn't feel that was worth trying on down at the record store, what with > those big security guards, and that hard hard pavement outside...) > > And as far as Sample CDs go, my personal feeling is that you SHOULD be able > to transfer them to someone else, *as long as you haven't kept a copy*. > Legally of course that transgresses your license; however some software > companies allow you to transfer ownership of a serial number - Adobe, for > example, use a Transfer of Ownership form which calls for signatures of the > old and new licence-holders: > > > please complete and return a Transfer of Ownership form when you sell or give > > away a single-user, retail version of an Adobe product that is registered in > > your name. (Quoted from their website) > > Perhaps the Sample CD manufacturers could follow suit, or perhaps they would > accept a change-of-ownership letter. In any case a draconian licensing > contract would not deter me from buying a second-hand CD of Samples, but I'd > feel happier about it if it were in the original packaging. > > Pete > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 4 18:42:05 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1146>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:41:58 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1146>; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:41:52 -0400 Received: from sjspc (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.017.1) id 3CFC820E0003979A; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:41:26 -0700 Message-ID: <052c01c20c18$f3dd4bf0$6501a8c0@sjspc> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Pete" , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] More Questions About Sample CDs. Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:41:22 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > However as a consumer living in the real world, I'm not so convinced. How > many people here have bought, on CD, an album they already had on vinyl or > cassette? Yeah, me too. but wait... True enough..... > > > you are not really paying the package price for a fancy plastic > > CD - you are becoming the rightsholder of a Work. > > Well, hold on, if you've bought the thing once, then you're already bought > the rights to listen to it. If you merely want it on a different format then > you should, in my opinion, only pay a nominal administrative fee. (Mind you, > I didn't feel that was worth trying on down at the record store, what with > those big security guards, and that hard hard pavement outside...) heh heh..yea.. Wouldn't that be nice.. > > And as far as Sample CDs go, my personal feeling is that you SHOULD be able > to transfer them to someone else, *as long as you haven't kept a copy*. > Legally of course that transgresses your license; I would possibly argue...that for loop based samples...if you have produced and distributed any material which contains the loop based material that you originally purchased, then you should not be able to resell the sampleCD to someone else. In that situation, you essentially purchased a license to use the "work" on any recording you want...and luckily...you can use it for AS MANY AS YOU WANT without having to pay any more royalties...even if you make a zillion bucks off it.... It has to work that way, unless we want to get into some big complicated scenario where everyone keeps track like ASCAP of what loops were used in what recordings and then ongoing royalties get paid back to everyone who contributed, including the people making the sample loops for everytime that final recording is played or purchased. What an insane scenario that would be. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 6 13:58:33 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-23092>; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:58:28 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23092>; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:58:18 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id LAA04606; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma004604; Thu, 6 Jun 02 11:09:12 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g56Hvl766859 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:57:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from web12308.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.106]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-23092>; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:33:39 -0400 Message-ID: <20020606163326.85069.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.128.98.3] by web12308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2002 09:33:26 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:33:26 -0400 From: Dharma Bummer Subject: sgroup the S-10 sample library is now available! To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca, s10manager@lycosmail.com, lance@soundscapemusic.com, SBLAK1SC@stokecoll.ac.uk, dgreen@lilchips.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi there, just want to let everybody know that the Roland S-10 sample library I've been piecing together is finally available in its entirety at the S-Group Archive: http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/s10-bmarek/ This includes all of the original Roland samples, the Li'l Chips samples, the entire contents of the S-10 Archive, a few whose origin I have no idea about, and a few I did myself (incuding the legendary Mellotron patches). Check the text file "S-10_samples.txt" for more details on the contents. All samples have been zipped for your convenience, and contain various text files explaining what they're all about. If you have any S-10 samples that aren't here which you'd like to share with the Roland community, feel free to contact me about getting them posted. Thanks to everybody for their help! BaM ===== This message has been brought to you by the little ASCII art duck who never stopped complaining: o< THIS SUCKS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 7 00:40:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4379>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:40:00 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4379>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:39:54 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g574dkM92299 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:39:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from addr26.addr.com ([209.249.147.185]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23092>; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:59:34 -0400 Received: from tiger (du36238.mlf.ptd.net [204.186.36.238]) by addr26.addr.com (8.11.6/8.9.1) with SMTP id g56Nwkm71062 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mal@ultralight-hiking.com)(envelope-to ) Message-Id: <200206062358.g56Nwkm71062@addr26.addr.com> From: MAL To: X-Mailer: PocoMail 2.61 (1041) - Licensed Version Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:58:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1023407154.706.73164.m12@yahoogroups.com> Subject: sgroup S-10 sample library is now available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Cool. Refresh my memory if you will; are the S-10s compatible= with the W-30? Cheers, Marius ------------- Original Message from "rsugroup@yahoogroups.com", sent on 6 Jun= 2002 23:45:54 -0000: =BB-----> > From: Dharma Bummer > Subject: sgroup the S-10 sample library is now available! > > Hi there, just want to let everybody know that the > Roland S-10 sample library I've been piecing together > is finally available in its entirety at the S-Group > Archive: > >= http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/s10-bmarek= / > > This includes all of the original Roland samples, the > Li'l Chips samples, the entire contents of the S-10 > Archive, a few whose origin I have no idea about, and > a few I did myself (incuding the legendary Mellotron > patches). Check the text file "S-10_samples.txt" for > more details on the contents. All samples have been > zipped for your convenience, and contain various text > files explaining what they're all about. > > If you have any S-10 samples that aren't here which > you'd like to share with the Roland community, feel > free to contact me about getting them posted. > > Thanks to everybody for their help! > > BaM <-----=AB Cool. Refresh my memory if you will; are the S-10s copatible with= the W-30? Cheers, Marius ------------- Original Message from "rsugroup@yahoogroups.com", sent on 6 Jun= 2002 23:45:54 -0000: =BB-----> > From: Dharma Bummer > Subject: sgroup the S-10 sample library is now available! > > Hi there, just want to let everybody know that the > Roland S-10 sample library I've been piecing together > is finally available in its entirety at the S-Group > Archive: > >= http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/s10-bmarek= / > > This includes all of the original Roland samples, the > Li'l Chips samples, the entire contents of the S-10 > Archive, a few whose origin I have no idea about, and > a few I did myself (incuding the legendary Mellotron > patches). Check the text file "S-10_samples.txt" for > more details on the contents. All samples have been > zipped for your convenience, and contain various text > files explaining what they're all about. > > If you have any S-10 samples that aren't here which > you'd like to share with the Roland community, feel > free to contact me about getting them posted. > > Thanks to everybody for their help! > > BaM <-----=AB - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 7 05:42:23 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4380>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 05:42:14 -0400 Received: from nordpol.dbf.ddb.de ([193.175.100.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4380>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 05:42:08 -0400 Received: from dbf-ex1.ad.dbf (dbf-ex1.dbf.ddb.de [10.69.63.203]) by nordpol.dbf.ddb.de (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g579e1I18150; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:40:01 +0200 Received: by DBF-EX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2GVM28Z4>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:42:01 +0200 Message-ID: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CFFE4019@DBF-EX1> From: "Seidel, Thomas" To: "'MAL'" , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup S-10 sample library is now available Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 05:41:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk IMO the S-10 samples could be read and written by the S-10, MKS-100 and = the S-220. The S-10 and the MKS-100 should be 100% compatible, the S-220 = has additional features (ie. the second loop parameter). -- Thomas > -----Original Message----- > From: MAL [mailto:mal@ultralight-hiking.com] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:59 AM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup S-10 sample library is now available >=20 >=20 >=20 > Cool. Refresh my memory if you will; are the S-10s compatible=20 > with the=20 > W-30? >=20 > Cheers, > Marius > ------------- >=20 >=20 > Original Message from "rsugroup@yahoogroups.com", sent on 6 Jun 2002 > 23:45:54 -0000: > =BB-----> > > From: Dharma Bummer > > Subject: sgroup the S-10 sample library is now available! > >=20 > > Hi there, just want to let everybody know that the > > Roland S-10 sample library I've been piecing together > > is finally available in its entirety at the S-Group > > Archive: > >=20 > > http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/s10-bmarek/ > >=20 > > This includes all of the original Roland samples, the > > Li'l Chips samples, the entire contents of the S-10 > > Archive, a few whose origin I have no idea about, and > > a few I did myself (incuding the legendary Mellotron > > patches). Check the text file "S-10_samples.txt" for > > more details on the contents. All samples have been > > zipped for your convenience, and contain various text > > files explaining what they're all about. > >=20 > > If you have any S-10 samples that aren't here which > > you'd like to share with the Roland community, feel > > free to contact me about getting them posted. > >=20 > > Thanks to everybody for their help! > >=20 > > BaM > > <-----=AB > Cool. Refresh my memory if you will; are the S-10s copatible=20 > with the W-30? >=20 > Cheers, > Marius > ------------- >=20 >=20 > Original Message from "rsugroup@yahoogroups.com", sent on 6 Jun 2002 > 23:45:54 -0000: > =BB-----> > > From: Dharma Bummer > > Subject: sgroup the S-10 sample library is now available! > >=20 > > Hi there, just want to let everybody know that the > > Roland S-10 sample library I've been piecing together > > is finally available in its entirety at the S-Group > > Archive: > >=20 > > http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/s10-bmarek/ > >=20 > > This includes all of the original Roland samples, the > > Li'l Chips samples, the entire contents of the S-10 > > Archive, a few whose origin I have no idea about, and > > a few I did myself (incuding the legendary Mellotron > > patches). Check the text file "S-10_samples.txt" for > > more details on the contents. All samples have been > > zipped for your convenience, and contain various text > > files explaining what they're all about. > >=20 > > If you have any S-10 samples that aren't here which > > you'd like to share with the Roland community, feel > > free to contact me about getting them posted. > >=20 > > Thanks to everybody for their help! > >=20 > > BaM > > <-----=AB >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 7 09:53:48 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4380>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:53:40 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4380>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:53:34 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g57DrPt12430 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:53:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from web12303.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.101]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-4379>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:04:29 -0400 Message-ID: <20020607130423.81679.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.128.98.3] by web12303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jun 2002 06:04:23 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:04:23 -0400 From: Dharma Bummer Subject: sgroup S-10 sample compatibility To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk According to the cached copy of the Li'l Chips Roland page, the S-10 samples are "for the S-10, S-110 and S-220 samplers". I have personally never even HEARD of an S-110, nor does there seem to be anything on the web about it aside from a listing in a used gear pricing list. Does anybody know anything about the S-110? BaM ===== This message has been brought to you by the little ASCII art duck who never stopped complaining: o< THIS SUCKS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 7 23:01:05 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4379>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 23:00:56 -0400 Received: from mta04bw.bigpond.com ([139.134.6.87]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4379>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 23:00:53 -0400 Received: from toddwalker ([144.135.24.69]) by mta04bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta04bw Apr 29 2002 13:22:02) with SMTP id GXD9PA00.JZS for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 13:00:46 +1000 Received: from CPE-144-137-224-30.wa.bigpond.net.au ([144.137.224.30]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0m 2/2681070); 08 Jun 2002 13:00:46 Message-ID: <000901c20e99$09c18da0$0101a8c0@nettresult.com.au> Reply-To: "Todd Walker" From: "Todd Walker" To: Subject: sgroup Sticky key Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 23:03:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I'm a newbie to this list - sorry if this has been discussed before. My S50 has a key that only registers 0 or 127 for velocity - nothing in between. Either the key doesn't sound, or it sounds way too loud. I think this is a fairly common problem with these old machines - I've been told I need to repair / replace the strip that runs under the keys, although I haven't taken the case apart enough to actually remove the keys and have a look yet. Has anyone else had this problem before? I'm considering having a crack at it myself, and would appreciate any input. Thanks, Todd Sunny Perth, Western Australia. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 8 00:24:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18767>; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:24:27 -0400 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18767>; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:24:24 -0400 Received: from user-2ivf471.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.144.225] helo=opel) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17GXlq-00086z-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 00:24:10 -0400 From: "Edward Raison" To: Subject: RE: sgroup Sticky key Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:24:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000901c20e99$09c18da0$0101a8c0@nettresult.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Todd, welcome--I just joined last week. I have a s50 as well. I've considered opening the case to try to fix one key on mine that sometimes works fine, sometimes not at all, but I have not done anything about it, yet. Wish I could be of more help. We had a s50 at the music lab in university when they were the height of technology and cost $1000s; I was pretty pleased with myself when I picked one up on ebay a few months ago for $250. I had forgotten how much work it takes to get a patch of samples recorded and edited. I've become lazy with all this software stuff. again--welcome! Cheers, Ed -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Todd Walker Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:03 PM To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Sticky key Hi everyone. I'm a newbie to this list - sorry if this has been discussed before. My S50 has a key that only registers 0 or 127 for velocity - nothing in between. Either the key doesn't sound, or it sounds way too loud. I think this is a fairly common problem with these old machines - I've been told I need to repair / replace the strip that runs under the keys, although I haven't taken the case apart enough to actually remove the keys and have a look yet. Has anyone else had this problem before? I'm considering having a crack at it myself, and would appreciate any input. Thanks, Todd Sunny Perth, Western Australia. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 8 01:54:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18768>; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 01:54:17 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18768>; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 01:54:02 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g585rws35352 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 01:53:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from indepthaccess.com (w020.z208036022.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.36.22.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4380>; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 21:44:49 -0400 Received: from [65.138.116.195] (65.138.116.195) by indepthaccess.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.3) for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:44:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jno@mail.macdialup.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 21:44:33 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Jim Norman Subject: sgroup Stuff for samplers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, In case anyone is interested, I am liquidating my studio and I have a few pieces of gear that might be of interest to 700 Series users: 1 - SCSI CD-ROM drive- 32X (I think its a Plextor) works with S-760 -$25 1- SCSI harddrive (800Mb) will format up to 600Mb with Roland Sampler- $35 1- 2 Way SCSI switcher (made by Glyph technologies) Active SCSI termination that allows for long SCSI runs (up to 75 feet). Great for SCSI transfers on S-760's (like Recycle! and BIAS PEak)- $50 Send me an email if you are interested. Thanks, Jim - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 8 08:30:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18768>; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:30:03 -0400 Received: from web20807.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.196]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-18768>; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: <20020608122955.4293.qmail@web20807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.182.27.59] by web20807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 05:29:55 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:29:55 -0400 From: Drum Programmer Subject: sgroup S330 Beginners problems To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello, another newbie to the list. I imagine the questions that I'm going ask appear to the seasoned user as blatantly obvious but I ask you to bear in mind that I'm a novice who hasn't had his S330 for very long and is still trying to find his feet... I've reached the point where after sampling a sound into the wave bank, the S330 manual states on p45 that the user must then select a destination tone for which the edited wave data in the source tone location will be written into, if I am correct I believe that the end result of this process is the creation of an 'original tone' or a 'sub tone'. However the S330 manual in all it's highly confusing glory neglects to explain how you actually achieve this process! Where am I going wrong? Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 9 16:16:18 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-27091>; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:16:10 -0400 Received: from thebe (thebe.your-site.com [140.186.45.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-27090>; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:16:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (12-249-58-103.client.attbi.com [12.249.58.103]) by thebe (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602072D8E4; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 16:16:43 -0400 Subject: sgroup test:ignore From: aeon To: aeon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk test:ignore - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 10 14:03:28 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-15930>; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:03:25 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15930>; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:03:14 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.83.155]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020610180308.RBJO19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:03:08 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c210a8$2af5d7e0$9b53580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Windows Communication Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:56:36 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C21086.A2D7A9E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C21086.A2D7A9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, We all know that the Roland S760 will be seen by any Macintosh, but not = by any computer using Windows 95 and up. I'm curious to know if this = problem may be corrected with Windows XP. Does anyone here have Windows = XP, SCSI and had success recognizing the S760 with it? Thanks, Harold "Still hanging on the Roland S760" ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C21086.A2D7A9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
We all know that the Roland S760 will = be seen by=20 any Macintosh, but not by any computer using Windows 95 and up. I'm = curious to=20 know if this problem may be corrected with Windows XP. Does anyone here = have=20 Windows XP, SCSI and had success recognizing the S760 with = it?
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
"Still hanging on the Roland=20 S760"
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C21086.A2D7A9E0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 10 16:53:41 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-15929>; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:53:35 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net015s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.155]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15929>; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:53:25 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.240.73]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:52:04 +0200 Message-ID: <006001c210c1$c1aa6f20$49f04bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <001801c210a8$2af5d7e0$9b53580c@epu1> Subject: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:59:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I've recently subscribed, in addition to the Roland S-sampler group at Yahoo. Short intro: I have some older Roland samplers (S-330, S-550 & MS-1) and was wondering which ones are still appropriate to discuss here. I'm well aware these types are quite old now, but who knows there are others here still using them. My other stuff includes an Akai S2000 and a Peavey SP, in fact somewhat less old samplers. I have a few questions: #1. I'm still a bit wondering myself if the S-550 / S-50 library is any good / nice / or totally obsolete by now. I guess it doesn't sound bad, especially for 12-bit stuff. Or am I just wasting my time with these samplers (S-330 & S-550) and their libraries ? I guess in the end the most important bit is in how you use them, but still, how are these sound libraries regarded nowadays ? #2. Are there people around who have their S-550/S-50 Roland libraries complete (RSB..-libs) ? The various archives on internet are very nice, but have quite a few corrupt/missing disks. I'd be glad to hear if someone has his/her lib complete, I'd gladly specify a few disks which I'm looking for. Thanks / Bye, Peter The Netherlands - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 10 19:45:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-15930>; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:45:16 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15930>; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:45:06 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.84.132]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020610234502.BCZJ19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:45:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c210d7$ee867f00$8454580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Test Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:38:27 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C210B6.6450BBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C210B6.6450BBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Test Ignore ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C210B6.6450BBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C210B6.6450BBA0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 15:02:56 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:02:52 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net088s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:02:37 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.225.60]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:00:08 +0200 Message-ID: <009d01c2117b$628db960$399c4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "dennis barton" , References: <200206101809_MC3-1-1AC-64C8@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:07:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Yahoo/Roland group info pasted from their welcome message: --------- Welcome to the roland_s group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service. Please take a moment to review this message. To learn more about the roland_s group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roland_s To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to roland_s@yahoogroups.com If you do not wish to belong to roland_s, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to roland_s-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To see and modify all of your groups, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups --------- ----- Original Message ----- From: dennis barton To: P. Vermeeren Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries >I've recently subscribed, in addition to the Roland S-sampler group at >Yahoo. Can you pass on info on that? Name? >Short intro: I have some older Roland samplers (S-330, S-550 & MS-1) and was >wondering which ones are still appropriate to discuss here. I'm well aware >these types are quite old now, but who knows there are others here still >using them. My other stuff includes an Akai S2000 and a Peavey SP, in fact >somewhat less old samplers. All of 'em are dicussed here. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 15:38:53 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:38:46 -0400 Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.16]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:38:39 -0400 Message-ID: <20020611193831.34745.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.83.161] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:38:31 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:38:31 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries To: "P. Vermeeren" , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <009d01c2117b$628db960$399c4bd5@ptr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Peter (and everybody), I had a look, but apparently there's no longer a Yahoo! Group called roland_s - how did that happen? Of the alternatives I came up with, two were apparently started by John Sellens and seem to exist in order to recommend that people join this mailing list (rsugroup, started in 2000, and sgroup1, started in '98 when the mailing address was sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca). The only other group my "roland sampler" search turned up was called (wait for it) RolandSampler. It was started in February this year, but seems to want to focus on S-760s/770s - not so relevant to me. This is actually my first post here... I'll write a proper introductory one in a minute. -gareth --- "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > Hi, > > Yahoo/Roland group info pasted from their welcome > message: > > --------- > > Welcome to the roland_s group at Yahoo! Groups, a > free, easy-to-use email group service. Please > take a moment to review this message. > > To learn more about the roland_s group, please visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roland_s > [edit] > > ----- Original Message ----- > >I've recently subscribed, in addition to the Roland > S-sampler group at > >Yahoo. > > Can you pass on info on that? Name? > > >Short intro: I have some older Roland samplers > (S-330, S-550 & MS-1) and > was > >wondering which ones are still appropriate to > discuss here. I'm well > aware > >these types are quite old now, but who knows there > are others here still > >using them. My other stuff includes an Akai S2000 > and a Peavey SP, in > fact > >somewhat less old samplers. > > All of 'em are dicussed here. > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 15:45:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:45:17 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:45:05 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.208]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:43:48 +0200 Message-ID: <00d101c21181$65056160$399c4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "gareth davies" , References: <20020611193831.34745.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:51:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I hadn't noticed yet that what I pasted actually contained the roland_s, but you're right, it's the same. RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com At least two S-330 owners over there but as it seems there's less activity over there. Now let's see how busy things are here ! :-) Which machines are mostly used here ? And how many people here ? Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: gareth davies To: P. Vermeeren ; Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries > Hi Peter (and everybody), > > I had a look, but apparently there's no longer a > Yahoo! Group called roland_s - how did that happen? > Of the alternatives I came up with, two were > apparently started by John Sellens and seem to exist > in order to recommend that people join this mailing > list (rsugroup, started in 2000, and sgroup1, started > in '98 when the mailing address was > sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca). > > The only other group my "roland sampler" search turned > up was called (wait for it) RolandSampler. It was > started in February this year, but seems to want to > focus on S-760s/770s - not so relevant to me. > > This is actually my first post here... I'll write a > proper introductory one in a minute. > > -gareth > > > --- "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Yahoo/Roland group info pasted from their welcome > > message: > > > > --------- > > > > Welcome to the roland_s group at Yahoo! Groups, a > > free, easy-to-use email group service. Please > > take a moment to review this message. > > > > To learn more about the roland_s group, please visit > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roland_s > > > > [edit] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >I've recently subscribed, in addition to the Roland > > S-sampler group at > > >Yahoo. > > > > Can you pass on info on that? Name? > > > > >Short intro: I have some older Roland samplers > > (S-330, S-550 & MS-1) and > > was > > >wondering which ones are still appropriate to > > discuss here. I'm well > > aware > > >these types are quite old now, but who knows there > > are others here still > > >using them. My other stuff includes an Akai S2000 > > and a Peavey SP, in > > fact > > >somewhat less old samplers. > > > > All of 'em are dicussed here. > > > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > > ) skylab2000 > > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > / http://skylab2000.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 17:22:21 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:22:14 -0400 Received: from web13801.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.11]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20020611212201.69837.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.83.161] by web13801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:22:01 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:22:01 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! To: sgroup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I'm new to the list, so I might as well do the introduction thing. I'm 19, a full-time university student, and a part-time experimental electronica/ rhythmic noise musician, data-entry operator (i.e. fast-typing performing monkey with RSI and a caffeine problem), and advocate of circuit-bending and other such random electronics. Did I mention all-round nice guy? I'm Australian, too, but don't let that bother you. At the moment I'm saving in order to buy a second-hand S-550, which I've visited and paid a deposit for. When I bring it home, I'm planning on doing everything I can to get as much use out of it as possible... For this reason, I've been doing lots of net research in the meantime. One thing I've noticed a surprising lack of information about the SCSI expansion boards - I would have thought these useful enough to have entire web pages devoted to schematics/third-party reissues, but no such luck. One thing I did find will probably be of interest to a lot of people though - I couldn't find any reference to it in the archives. It's a German web page featuring a list of which parts are used in the HD5-IF SCSI expansion board for the S-550, complete with parts numbers and links to German mail-order electronics webpages that supply the parts! http://www.synrise.de/guests/cwernke/download/roland/hd5if/hd5if.htm It's in German, but try http://www.altavista.com for online translation. The only things missing are schematics and a PCB-overlay, but these are hopefully available from Roland in your country. My altavista-translated version of the site states that "All further, e.g. the assembly and installation, comes out from the connection diagram of Roland." Since Roland Australia (just a distributor, I think, not an actual office) don't seem to want to reply to my e-mail, I've written to the author asking if he can make scanned versions of the "connection diagram" available.. If he can, I'll post them on a wwwsite somewhere. Alternatively, if anybody else has these, I'd be *really* happy to hear from you. Anyway, this might be one for the "Cool links" page - besides the parts list, he's also put up the entire Roland S550 factory sound library in .zip format (available via the link at the bottom of the SCSI-board page). The parts might be tricky to get - I can't see any sign of that SCSI controller locally - but I'm sure it'd be worth the effort to track them down. Enjoy yourselves. --- gareth davies gklitschprizm mod\ (beware the gklitschkitty) <[hyphen x 0.5]> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 18:21:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:21:01 -0400 Received: from yosemite.rwc.gnac.net ([198.151.248.221]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:20:46 -0400 Received: by yosemite.rwc.gnac.net; id PAA20017; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.225) by yosemite.rwc.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xmaa17095; Tue, 11 Jun 02 15:20:26 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5BMK7l95469 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:20:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from hotmail.com (f160.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.160]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:57:55 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:57:49 -0700 Received: from 217.29.140.15 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:57:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.29.140.15] From: "khaled ali" To: majordomo@lists.uunet.ca Cc: jsellens@generalconcepts.com Subject: sgroup how can i fix this proplem Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:57:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2002 21:57:49.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[0732CE30:01C21193] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by gc0.generalconcepts.com id g5BMK7l95469 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk dear all, i'd like to request you an informaion about my keyboard roland s50 digita= l=20 sampling . when i turn it on the message (please insert disc)appear in the screen and in my country there is no local dealer for roland s50 and asking you = the=20 help is the last hope to fix this proplem . please i hope you tell me how can i fix this or from where i can get this= =20 disk on line . thanx alot and i know that you will help me . my adress is YEMEN SANA'A P.O BOX 971 KHALED QAHTAN khal8888@hotmail.com best regards _________________________________________________________________ Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.=20 http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 18:36:38 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:36:32 -0400 Received: from common.se (ns.common.se [212.214.21.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:36:22 -0400 Received: from WorldClient [127.0.0.1] by common.se [212.214.21.209] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0.R) for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:40:24 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:40:23 -0400 From: "mans" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: WorldClient Standard 3.5.0e In-Reply-To: <00d101c21181$65056160$399c4bd5@ptr> X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: mans@common.se X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-Id: <2002Jun11.183622edt.193715-24839@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > I hadn't noticed yet that what I pasted > actually contained the roland_s, but you're right, it's the same > At least two S-330 owners over there but as it seems there's less > activity > over there. Hi I thing a lot of us are hoping for someone to make a cheap PS/2 to Roland mouse adapter for the Rolandsamplers but as far as I can se this will never happen?!! Until then, my S-330 probably stay unused. The mouse and the videoscreen really does the machine and without one of them.....well.... And about list activity, maybe they are making music instead of reading mail? ;-) //Måns - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 19:09:23 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:09:15 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (hnmail01.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.156]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:09:12 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.225.70]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:07:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c2119d$e73d7f20$46e14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "gareth davies" Cc: References: <20020611202956.57028.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:17:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Unless the S-550 is really cheap, I'd suggest for instance a second hand Akai S-2000 as your only sampler. It totally depends on what you want to do with it of course, but at least here in the Netherlands these S-2000's can be had cheap already as well. This may sound like an Akai-add, but the S-2000 integrates quite perfect via SCSI with a PC. Hmm, I hear you say, so you get a monitor interface then which the S-550 already has... you're right, but I have the feeling the limited sampling time of the S-550 is less of an issue for the already programmed Roland lib but more so when you want to sample yourself (not 'yourself', but you'll get the picture :-). In other words: more programming required to make it sound OK than on a sampler with more memory; you can use longer loops or no loops at all etc etc. I'm copying this to the list as well, since I might be mistaken here - would be nice to hear what others think about all this. Bye, Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: gareth davies To: P. Vermeeren Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:29 PM Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries > hey peter, > > might as well reply off the list - i'll write a > general intro in a sec as well.. i've only been on > the list for a week or so (i think) - i don't even > have one of the s-group samplers yet, but i've put a > deposit on a second-hand s-550 with mouse/monitor. > for now this is all i need - it will be my only > sampler, at least in the short term. i like the idea > of lo-fi, but if i get another sampler i'll try to > make sure that it's easier to get a little more > sampling time.. i might get a yamaha tx16w or just > save for one of the akais - or something with scsi. > > the group's been around for over 10 years now, and > there seems to have been lots of activity in the past > - check the archives at > www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/ . i haven't > been on the list long enough to know if it's still as > busy as it was, but it looks promising. > > - gareth > > > --- "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I hadn't noticed yet that what I pasted > > actually contained the roland_s, but you're right, > > it's the same. > > > > RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > At least two S-330 owners over there but as it seems > > there's less activity > > over there. > > > > Now let's see how busy things are here ! :-) > > Which machines are mostly > > used here ? And how many people here ? > > > > Bye, > > > > Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 19:16:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:16:21 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net015s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.155]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:16:11 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.225.70]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:14:52 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c2119e$e10807a0$46e14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "gareth davies" , "sgroup" References: <20020611212201.69837.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:22:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I've seen that site too, nice info. Be warned however (but I don't want to spoil your fun), there's this rumour that the SCSI-speed (loading sounds from Zip or whatever) is surprisingly not that much faster than from floppy. Again, that's what i heard. A _fact_ is that say a Zip-100 can be formatted up to 80 MB. That's actually not bad; enough for a device as the S-550, it's a lot of floppies. Finally, I haven't tried all this myself yet I should add. About the libraries: I thought they're 'as complete' as those of the sgroup-archive. So the same missing few disks. If anyone has it complete, please let us know. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: gareth davies To: sgroup Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:22 PM Subject: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! > Hi everyone, > > I'm new to the list, so I might as well do the > introduction thing. I'm 19, a full-time university > student, and a part-time experimental electronica/ > rhythmic noise musician, data-entry operator (i.e. > fast-typing performing monkey with RSI and a caffeine > problem), and advocate of circuit-bending and other > such random electronics. Did I mention all-round nice > guy? I'm Australian, too, but don't let that bother > you. > > At the moment I'm saving in order to buy a second-hand > S-550, which I've visited and paid a deposit for. > When I bring it home, I'm planning on doing everything > I can to get as much use out of it as possible... For > this reason, I've been doing lots of net research in > the meantime. One thing I've noticed a surprising > lack of information about the SCSI expansion boards - > I would have thought these useful enough to have > entire web pages devoted to schematics/third-party > reissues, but no such luck. > > One thing I did find will probably be of interest to a > lot of people though - I couldn't find any reference > to it in the archives. It's a German web page > featuring a list of which parts are used in the HD5-IF > SCSI expansion board for the S-550, complete with > parts numbers and links to German mail-order > electronics webpages that supply the parts! > > http://www.synrise.de/guests/cwernke/download/roland/hd5if/hd5if.htm > > It's in German, but try http://www.altavista.com for > online translation. > > The only things missing are schematics and a > PCB-overlay, but these are hopefully available from > Roland in your country. My altavista-translated > version of the site states that "All further, e.g. the > assembly and installation, comes out from the > connection diagram of Roland." Since Roland Australia > (just a distributor, I think, not an actual office) > don't seem to want to reply to my e-mail, I've written > to the author asking if he can make scanned versions > of the "connection diagram" available.. If he can, > I'll post them on a wwwsite somewhere. Alternatively, > if anybody else has these, I'd be *really* happy to > hear from you. > > Anyway, this might be one for the "Cool links" page - > besides the parts list, he's also put up the entire > Roland S550 factory sound library in .zip format > (available via the link at the bottom of the > SCSI-board page). > > The parts might be tricky to get - I can't see any > sign of that SCSI controller locally - but I'm sure > it'd be worth the effort to track them down. Enjoy > yourselves. > > --- > gareth davies > gklitschprizm mod\ > (beware the gklitschkitty) > <[hyphen x 0.5]> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 19:22:09 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:22:02 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:21:47 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.225.70]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:19:48 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01c2119f$915c1b00$46e14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "mans" , References: <2002Jun11.183622edt.193715-24839@hugin.uunet.ca> Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:27:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Be informed that an MSX-computer mouse works directly. Among others, Philips made this old type of computer. The mouse I got for my S-330 is exactly that: an old Philips MSX-mouse. Apart from the color (white/creme with grey buttons) it's similar in appearance as the way overpriced original black Roland MU-1 mouse. (It even makes me think Philips made those Roland mice as well), Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: mans To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries > > Hi, > > > > I hadn't noticed yet that what I pasted > > actually contained the roland_s, but you're right, it's the same > > At least two S-330 owners over there but as it seems there's less > > activity > > over there. > > Hi > I thing a lot of us are hoping for someone to make a cheap PS/2 to Roland > mouse adapter for the Rolandsamplers but as far as I can se this will > never happen?!! > > Until then, my S-330 probably stay unused. The mouse and the videoscreen > really does the machine and without one of them.....well.... > > And about list activity, maybe they are making music instead of reading > mail? ;-) > > file://Måns > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 20:04:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:04:10 -0400 Received: from common.se (ns.common.se [212.214.21.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:04:07 -0400 Received: from WorldClient [127.0.0.1] by common.se [212.214.21.209] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0.R) for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 02:08:00 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:08:00 -0400 From: "mans" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: WorldClient Standard 3.5.0e In-Reply-To: <001f01c2119f$915c1b00$46e14bd5@ptr> X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: mans@common.se X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-Id: <2002Jun11.200407edt.193715-24840@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Be informed that an MSX-computer mouse works directly. > Among others, Philips made this old type of computer. The mouse I got > for my > S-330 is exactly that: an old Philips MSX-mouse. Apart from the color > (white/creme with grey buttons) it's similar in appearance as the > way overpriced original black Roland MU-1 mouse. > (It even makes me think Philips made those Roland mice as well), > > Bye, > > Peter That is correct, yes. But I have seen one MSX computer in my life and that was more than 10 years ago and it didn't have a mouse. And, since MSX computers had a peak in homecomputing somewhere round 1985 the only one of them left with a mouse are extreamly rare and therefore no alternative. I did'nt even try ebay....prices of used MSX gear are to high.... Roland still have the mouse in stock, but for 1000 SEK (approximatly 100 US dollar) so the only alternative left is an adapter from a vanilla-PC- mouse to Roland mouse. There was a DIY project with a 16F84-PIC involved on some japaneese site, I sent the guy a mail but no answer. Anyone tryed that one out? It really should give the Roland samplers a long life. //Måns - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 20:08:31 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:08:24 -0400 Received: from web13805.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:08:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20020612000804.14169.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.83.161] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:08:04 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:08:04 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <000001c2119d$e73d7f20$46e14bd5@ptr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Heh, now you've done it. I'm going to rant now, I can feel it.. I've thought about this issue for a while now - debated whether waiting for a while and getting an Akai would be a good idea. But the Roland's got a lot going for it - I'm very much on a student budget, and I'm trying to get a usable mini-studio set up that will allow me to work on the kind of music I'm really interested in - which is experimental electronica, rhythmic noise, dark ambient, beats, that sort of thing. I'm trying to avoid using a computer, and I'd rather make my own loops than use somebody else's. I don't need 30 second excerpts from movies; all I want is enough space for a couple of loops that I can experiment with, and perhaps a couple of found sounds/ own samples. For my purposes, an Akai would be overkill.. Not to mention three or four times what I can afford. I'm getting the sampler, mouse, monitor, library, manuals and maybe a couple of other disks for a bit under the equivalent of US$200. It's been really well looked after too - I'll be the second owner. The closest I've seen Akais come to that sort of price range is about US$450 for an S900. I'm sure they're nice, but they're not what I'm after. :) Heh, at the same time, I even prefer typewriters to computers for any serious writing. I guess I just like to have something *tactile*, and I don't really find that with a word processor or a software sequencer... My friend/musical collaborator likes working with computers, so we've got an interesting balance going on, but it just makes me feel distant from whatever creative process is going on. I don't mind doing a bit of extra programming, and not having quite so many shortcuts or fancy features - I'd rather develop my skills. Anyway. Comparatively limited the S-550 may be, but as long as it can sound nice and crunchy and lo-fi, it'll be fine with me. >:) One of the other things that drew me to it initially was the sequencer option - the one I'm getting doesn't have the package though, and in the meantime I've managed to pick up two damaged MC-500 sequencers (which resulted in one very fixed MC-500, one very broken MC-500), for US$75. So the sequencer issue isn't really relevant now. Still, it makes the S-550 look pretty versatile - sequencer, remote controller, mouse/monitor.. Yeesh. I get the feeling that the Roland sample library I'm getting is complete; the guy I'm buying it from has had it since new, after all, and he's kept everything together. If so, I'll upload the missing disks. And I'll keep trying to chase up those SCSI schematics - I think it'd be worthwhile having the expansion just for the extra convenience of not needing to change disks all the time, not so much for any change in speed. Those are my thoughts on the issue, anyway. If I was writing any other kind of music, I'd probably want something a bit more expensive with a few more featues. As it is, I think the Roland will be fine. --- gareth davies gklitschprizm mod\ (beware the gklitschkitty) <[hyphen x 0.5]> --- "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > Hi, > > Unless the S-550 is really cheap, I'd suggest for > instance a second hand > Akai S-2000 > as your only sampler. It totally depends on what you > want to do with it of > course, but at > least here in the Netherlands these S-2000's can be > had cheap already as > well. > > This may sound like an Akai-add, but the S-2000 > integrates quite perfect via > SCSI with a PC. Hmm, I hear you say, so you get a > monitor interface then > which the S-550 already has... > > you're right, but I have the feeling the limited > sampling time of the S-550 > is > less of an issue for the already programmed Roland > lib but more > so when you want to sample yourself (not 'yourself', > but you'll get the > picture :-). > > In other words: more programming required to make it > sound OK than on a > sampler with more memory; you can use longer loops > or no loops at all etc > etc. > > I'm copying this to the list as well, since I might > be mistaken here - would > be nice to hear > what others think about all this. > > Bye, > > Peter. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 20:21:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:20:59 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24840>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:20:56 -0400 Received: from maridia.blarg.net (vq122.atm01.sea.blarg.net [206.124.140.122]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C3F37EA5 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020611171425.00bf4650@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:20:47 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries In-Reply-To: <20020612000804.14169.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001c2119d$e73d7f20$46e14bd5@ptr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 05:08 PM 6/11/2002, gareth davies wrote: >The closest >I've seen Akais come to that sort of price range is >about US$450 for an S900. I got my S2000 for $299 at a Sam Ash blowout. That's about what I've seen them go for on eBay as well. I upgraded it to 32MB of RAM with spare SIMMs from work, and I'm about to add a SCSI hard drive that was cannibalized from a decommissioned server =). I actually have an S950 as well, and I paid about $75 for that in the end, since I got it and an S700 for a little less than $200, then sold the S700 on eBay for about $125. I love the sound of my S330, but the S2000 is a lot easier to work with over SCSI to the PC using Millennium. I'm not saying "don't buy an old s-sampler!!!" but it's always good to have all the facts when making a purchase decision, especially when you're on a student budget. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 11 21:57:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:56:59 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.47]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24839>; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:56:52 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.82.69]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020612015647.EFSE13408.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:56:47 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c211b3$7ebe15c0$4552580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup The Dreaded Windows Connection Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:50:12 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C21191.F6EC3300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C21191.F6EC3300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Everybody, Nowadays I seem to get email from people who are interested in = purchasing Roland S760s. This email that I've pasted here is from = someone from The Netherlands who was interested in addressing the SCSI = problem with Windows. Take a look: -------------------------------------- =20 Hallo Harold =20 Just by speaking (and receiving your mail) I was already looking into = the sgroup archieve. And found out that scsi is the big "windows issue". By the way, you post a lot. =20 Scsi will not work with the Roland on windows. But...... Maby, yust maby there is a small chance that it will by replacing a = small file in the systemdirectory. At the end of this mail there is something out of the manual from = audiograbber (Audiograbber is a digital audio cdripper program, you = probably heard of) On my former computer I used a Philips scsi writer and it didn't work, = after I replaced the file like recommended by Audiograbber it worked, so = maby........... If it works, that only means as for a beginning that your computer = reconizes the S760 Now the next thing is an other. There is no updated software that supports scsi interaction with the = s760. Soundforge uses standard, I think its called smsd, and the S760 doesn't = support that as far as I know. But as I remember an old version of = Steinberg wavelab software had in the beginning the s760 with scsi = support. They dropped it in later versions for the same reason other software = devolpers did. Now I don't have the sampler yet, so I cannot try any of this options = yet. =20 > No problem, but how on earth were you able to get the computer to = communicate with S760? =20 Probably my English isn't so good as you want me to believe, but I ment = by the words, taking a glance at Soundiver, that I only looked at the = editing software for the sampler. (There was no S760 connected though) I use soundiver also for my D50, my D110, my Korg M1rex etc. So I know = how good it is in editing. Soundiver connects via Midi (in/out) and uses Sysex for midi = communication, so no scsi connection and (for that I'm not sure) not = even miditransmitting of samples If the last thing is true, than you simply need an other program for = that. (Wavelab, Soundforge, Awave etc) =20 As I'm very familiar with the Roland Structure working with partials and = patches, it didn't took me long to understand how great this editor = looks and especially for those who do not have the Vga card option. =20 Now lets make things easy and I will explain how I think I can get to = work with the s760....once I have it. =20 1) Firtst I build my instrument with the samples I like in my software = sampler (Halion) This I do on my PC and my sample-editor is Steinberg wavelab (the best = wave editor there is...period) in which I make all nessecery changes to = the samples, including loops, crossfades and other stuff. = (noisereduction, eq etc,) If I need to sample something myself by the way I will alwas do this = on the P.C. (I have an excelent audiocard with very good da/ad = converters) and never on any hardware sampler. In my studio I can use the best mices, phantom powered etc. =20 2 If I like the instrument and it sounds good, then I can decide to make = a corrsponding instrument for the Roland in which case I simply use the = same samples. At this point they don't need to be edited anymore and I simply have to = dump them to the S760 By the way, I only will use the s760 for on the road, in my studio I = always will use Halion. (What's the use for a s760 with 32 mb, if I can = load instruments bigger than 1 gigabyte into Halion which supports = reading samples directly and realtime "streaming" from harddisk), so I = only will (re)built a few instruments. =20 3 When they are dumped then I will use Soundiver to (re)build the = instrument and that will be a breeze instead of using the frontpanel. = (or an extra Vga monitor for which I need an opotional other card) and a = big advantage I know rufly by what I did before in Halion how I want my = layers my envolpes etc. =20 That's it.=20 =20 Regards, Oscar. --------------------------------- Take care everybody, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C21191.F6EC3300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Everybody,
 
Nowadays I seem to get email from = people who=20 are interested in purchasing Roland S760s. This email that I've pasted = here is=20 from someone from The Netherlands who was interested in addressing the = SCSI=20 problem with Windows. Take a look:
 
--------------------------------------
 

Hallo=20 Harold

 

Just=20 by speaking (and receiving your mail) I was already looking into the = sgroup=20 archieve.

And=20 found out that scsi is the big “windows=20 issue".

By=20 the way, you post a lot.

 

Scsi=20 will not work with the Roland on = windows.

But......

Maby,=20 yust maby there is a small chance that it will by replacing a small file = in the=20 systemdirectory.

At=20 the end of this mail there is something out of the manual from = audiograbber=20 (Audiograbber is a digital audio cdripper program, you probably heard=20 of)

On my=20 former computer I used a Philips scsi writer and it didn’t work, = after I=20 replaced the file like recommended by Audiograbber it worked, so=20 maby...........

If it=20 works, that only means as for a beginning that your computer reconizes = the=20 S760

Now=20 the next thing is an other.

There=20 is no updated software that supports scsi interaction with the=20 s760.

Soundforge uses standard, I think its called = smsd, and=20 the S760 doesn’t support that as far as I know. But as I remember = an old version=20 of Steinberg wavelab software had in the beginning the s760 with scsi=20 support.

They=20 dropped it in later versions for the same reason other software = devolpers=20 did.

Now I=20 don’t have the sampler yet, so I cannot try any of this options=20 yet.

 

> No=20 problem, but how on earth were you able to get the computer to = communicate with=20 S760?

 

Probably my English isn’t so good as you = want me to=20 believe, but I ment by the words, taking a glance at Soundiver, that I = only=20 looked at the editing software for the sampler. (There was no = S760=20 connected though)

I use=20 soundiver also for my D50, my D110, my Korg M1rex etc. So I know how = good it is=20 in editing.

Soundiver connects via Midi (in/out) and uses = Sysex for=20 midi communication, so no scsi connection and (for that I'm not sure) = not even=20 miditransmitting of samples

If the=20 last thing is true, than you simply need an other program for that. = (Wavelab, Soundforge, Awave etc)

 

As=20 I’m very familiar with the Roland Structure working with partials = and=20 patches, it didn’t took me long to understand how great this = editor looks=20 and especially for those who do not  have the Vga = card=20 option.

  

Now=20 lets make things easy and I will explain how I think I can get to work = with the=20 s760....once I have it.

 

1)=20 Firtst I build my instrument with the samples I like in my software = sampler=20 (Halion)

This I=20 do on my PC and my sample-editor is Steinberg wavelab (the best wave = editor=20 there is...period) in which I make all nessecery changes to the samples, = including loops, crossfades and other stuff. (noisereduction, eq=20 etc,)

If  = I  need  to sample something myself by = the way I=20 will alwas do this on the P.C. (I have an excelent audiocard with very = good=20 da/ad converters) and never on any hardware = sampler.

In my=20 studio I can use the best mices, phantom powered = etc.

 

2 If=20 I like the instrument and it sounds good, then I can decide to make a=20 corrsponding instrument for the Roland in which case I simply use the = same=20 samples.

At=20 this point they don't need to be edited anymore and I simply have to = dump them=20 to the S760

By=20 the way, I only will use the s760 for on the road, in my studio I always = will=20 use Halion. (What’s the use for a s760 with 32 mb, if I can = load=20 instruments  bigger than 1 = gigabyte=20 into Halion which supports reading samples directly and realtime = “streaming”=20 from harddisk), so I only will (re)built a few=20 instruments.

 

3=20 When they are dumped then I will use Soundiver to (re)build the = instrument and=20 that will be a breeze instead of using the frontpanel. (or an extra Vga = monitor=20 for which I need an opotional other card) and a big advantage I know = rufly by=20 what I did before in Halion how I want my layers my envolpes=20 etc.

 

That’s = it.=20

 

Regards, = Oscar.

 ---------------------------------

 

Take care=20 everybody,

Harold

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From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 04:43:41 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:43:35 -0400 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.190.223.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:43:25 -0400 Received: from Abit (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 159E916000138; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:43:19 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , Subject: RE: sgroup Windows Communication Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:43:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <001801c210a8$2af5d7e0$9b53580c@epu1> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello again Harold, Some time ago I posted in response to a thread from you entitled "So what the deal with Windows" 1 March 2002 and included as much info as I could find about SCSI and the S760 if that was of any help...see snipped post below. Not sure whether you saw it or not as I heard nothing from you - did you also see my answer in response to your request about details of the Roland Sample Library that I replied to recently? Something else that occurred to me (and I might have missed something fundamental here) is if the S-760 is fitted with the OP760/1 expansion board in addition to the monitor/mouse interface it also gives digital input/output right? What would stop you connecting the digital in/out to a soundcard in the PC that has SP/DIF in/out (I have the Yamaha DS2416 for example) and using _any_ .wav sample on the PC, editing it with CoolEdit, SoundForge, Wavelab etc. and then resample that into the S760 from the PC? No SCSI problems and the sound is always in the digital domain. You could also use an existing sample from the S760, record it into the PC using the digital SP/DIF (which would probably now be in .wav format), edit it to your hearts content using any editor and then resample it back into the S-760? Any sample would be read/write in real-time, no SCSI problems and hopefully no generation loss as the signal is always in the digital domain. This way you could utilise samples from any sampler such as Giga, Halion etc in conjunction with the S760 and use any S-760 samples. The S-760 gets a new lease of life! :-) Or have I missed something here? ----------snip---------- Also see; http://www.propellerheads.se/support/recycle/frame.html and click on any of the following three subjects; Recycle Tech FAQ; ----------------- My sampler used to be supported via SCSI in ReCycle 1.6, now it's not. Why? On the Windows platform, SCSI support for a few of samplers has been dropped in this version. This is due to the fact that these samplers are not Windows 95/98 SCSI compatible, and the sampler manufacturers have no plans to update them. These samplers are: Roland S760 AKAI S1000 AKAI S1100 AKAI S2800 AKAI S3000 AKAI CD3000 AKAI S3200 Sampler Assistance; ------------------- My PC doesn't find my AKAI S-XXXX using SCSI, what can I do? On the Windows platform, SCSI support for a few samplers has been dropped in version 1.7 and later. This is due to the fact that these samplers are not Windows 95/98 SCSI compatible, and the sampler manufacturers have no plans to update them. These samplers are: Roland S760 AKAI S1000 AKAI S1100 AKAI S2800 AKAI S3000 AKAI CD3000 AKAI S3200 The only option is to use MIDI transfer instead of SCSI on these models. Supported Samplers; ------------------- In version 1.7, SCSI support for some samplers has been dropped, on the Windows platform. The reason is that the SCSI implementation in these models is not Windows 95/98/NT compatible, and the manufacturers have informed us that the samplers will not be updated, at least not in this respect. In previous versions of ReCycle it was possible to circumvent this problem by using DOS drivers for the SCSI card. This method had several drawbacks. It was extremely complicated to get working, it prevented use of the SCSI card for other purposes and it hampered the performance of the computer etc. ReCycle is now a true 32 bit program and it runs under NT as well as Windows 95 and 98. For this and for other technical reasons the compromised solution with SCSI DOS drivers is not an option anymore. Hence, the SCSI support for some older samplers had to be dropped. There is also some info on; http://www.sonicfoundry.com/support/SupportProduct.asp?FamilyID=4&Family=Sou nd+Forge&TopicID=60&DetailID=295 Summary: Can I use Sound Forge with my sampler to edit material and transfer the material digitally? Solution: We do not, nor is it likely we will ever, directly support samplers of any particular make or model. Our support is for sample transfer standards. The advantage of standards is that if everyone supports a standard, like MIDI, then everyone's system will work together in the same way. Sound Forge supports SCSI SMDI and MIDI Sample Dump Standard transfers. Some manufacturers such as Kurzweil and Yamaha make samplers that support these standards. Others do not support these standards or claim to support them and fail in their implementation. Sonic Foundry does not have the resources to test samplers with our Sample Transfer capabilities, nor can we lobby with sampler manufacturers to fix or add features. Ultimately, if the sampler advertises these capabilities, and they work correctly, Sound Forge is the ideal tool for creating, editing, and archiving samples. http://www.sonicfoundry.com/support/SupportProduct.asp?FamilyID=4&Family=Sou nd+Forge&TopicID=60&DetailID=297 Summary: How to get your SCSI Sampler to work with Sound Forge. Solution: The first step in making this work is to verify that Windows "sees" the sampler. Go to Start, Settings, Control Panel, System, and Device Manager, and verify that there is a listing (usually under Other Devices) for your sampler. If it is listed there and the manufacturer's SCSI implementation works for SMDI transfers, you should be able to access the device by using "Generic (SCSI/SMDI)" under the Configure menu in our Sampler section under the Tools menu. The success of using a SCSI Sampler may also be dependent on the SCSI interface card. We find in general that low cost SCSI cards seldom work for this, but a high quality interface such as the Adaptec 2940 with current drivers can help to give the best chance of this feature functioning correctly. Sound Forge supports SCSI SMDI as the spec for this protocol is defined. Sonic Foundry does not have the resources to test all available samplers with our Sample Transfer capabilities. Nor can we lobby with sampler manufacturers to fix or add features. Ultimately, if the sampler advertises these capabilities, and they work correctly, Sound Forge is the ideal tool for creating, editing and archiving samples. Regards, -=Glyn=- -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Harold Everton, Jr. Sent: 10 June 2002 18:57 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Windows Communication Hey All, We all know that the Roland S760 will be seen by any Macintosh, but not by any computer using Windows 95 and up. I'm curious to know if this problem may be corrected with Windows XP. Does anyone here have Windows XP, SCSI and had success recognizing the S760 with it? Thanks, Harold "Still hanging on the Roland S760" - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 07:17:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:17:33 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net ([196.25.240.74]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:17:23 -0400 Received: from [155.239.89.179] (ndf53-08-179.gt.saix.net [155.239.89.179]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g5CBHEd20859 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:17:15 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:17:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Gareth, I've been looking for SCSI expansion for my S550 for over 10 years!! Please post any further info here on this list as I'm also interested. Welcome and good luck! Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 09:40:31 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:40:23 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:40:17 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:40:06 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:40:06 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:40:06 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9811@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries Thread-Index: AcIRmHxN5SUTLFwxRTKYZDAqPLJnbAAain5g From: "Ullrich Peter" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 13:40:06.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[A99F8720:01C21216] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo! >I thing a lot of us are hoping for someone to make a cheap PS/2 to = Roland=20 >mouse adapter for the Rolandsamplers but as far as I can se this will=20 >never happen?!! I haven't not done a PS2-mouse converter but my Atari/Amiga mouse = converter prototype is running since the begin of June... Now I am developing a PC-mouse (serial mouse: Microsoft, Mouse Systems = and=20 Logitech standard) to MSX mouse converter. Maybe I will make commercial mouse converters out of it. >Until then, my S-330 probably stay unused. The mouse and the = videoscreen=20 >really does the machine and without one of them.....well.... Otherwise you could send me your S-330 :-) Regarding the RC-100: Does anyone of you have the schematics of the = RC-100 remote control for the Roland samplers? Or does anyone have ever looked = at the serial data sent to the sampler? I am thinking of making a similar thing and would like to save time. Otherwise I would have to connect my logic analyzer to the = RC-100/sampler connection=20 to see what is transfered here... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 09:41:34 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193719-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:41:26 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:41:20 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:41:13 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:41:13 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:41:13 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9812@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! Thread-Index: AcIRngwgMomshfORS5KiyVP+h+RiFgAZEM8Q From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "SGROUP" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 13:41:13.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[D16B3600:01C21216] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >A _fact_ is that say a Zip-100 can be formatted up to 80 MB. That's = actually >not bad; enough for a device as the S-550, it's a lot of floppies. Yes it is much better than swapping disks all the time... >Finally, I haven't tried all this myself yet I should add. I have a SCSI-ZIP drive connected to the S550 and it works fine. But I can NOT load the system from the ZIP drive. So I always have the system disk in the disk drive... >About the libraries: I thought they're 'as complete' as those of the >sgroup-archive. >So the same missing few disks. If anyone has it complete, please let us >know. Please tell me what disk images are defect and I will have a look if I = have working images or original disks. Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 10:47:44 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:47:37 -0400 Received: from slc02.smtp.stsn.com ([12.23.74.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:47:31 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([10.1.30.221]) by slc02.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:46:46 -0600 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5CElLQ36502 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:47:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from sunny.pacific.net.au ([203.25.148.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 05:03:00 -0400 Received: from wisma.pacific.net.au (wisma.pacific.net.au [210.23.129.72]) by sunny.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id g5C92uZr009702 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:02:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.254] (ppp105.adsl89.pacific.net.au [202.7.89.105]) by wisma.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id TAA21452 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:02:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 05:04:02 -0400 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Windows Communication Message-ID: <1412659817.1023908642@[192.168.0.11]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 14:46:47.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA5EACF0:01C2121F] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Glyn wrote: [...] > Something else that occurred to me (and I might have missed something > fundamental here) is if the S-760 is fitted with the OP760/1 expansion > board in addition to the monitor/mouse interface it also gives digital > input/output right? Yep. [...details of sampling S-760 -> PC via S/PDIF and vice versa skipped...] > Any sample would be read/write in real-time, no SCSI problems and > hopefully no generation loss as the signal is always in the digital > domain. [...] > Or have I missed something here? Yes - such sampling is limited to real-time. SCSI transfers would be much, much faster. As far as I'm aware, the problem with the S-760's SCSI implementation is that it does not respond to a SCSI message requesting devices to identify themselves. On a PC, you typically see ID messages from SCSI disks and CD-ROM drives when you boot your PC. You don't see such a message from the S-760, even when it is already in "Remote Control" mode (it needs to be put into this mode via MIDI sysex messages before it even can receive SCSI messages[*]). Presumably Windows only wants to talk to SCSI devices that have identified themselves on startup. Personally, I would have hoped that you could force Windows to communicate with a specified SCSI ID regardless of whether it has identified itself or not, but I have not confirmed this. Cheers, Bernie [*] To the SCSI experts, please excuse the loose terminology. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 10:48:12 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:48:11 -0400 Received: from slc02.smtp.stsn.com ([12.23.74.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:47:58 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([10.1.30.221]) by slc02.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:47:15 -0600 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5CElZL36509 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:47:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:12:15 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:12:11 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:12:11 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:12:10 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9807@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! Thread-Index: AcIRngwgMomshfORS5KiyVP+h+RiFgAZEM8Q From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "sgroup" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 11:12:11.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF924B00:01C21201] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >A _fact_ is that say a Zip-100 can be formatted up to 80 MB. That's = actually >not bad; enough for a device as the S-550, it's a lot of floppies. Yes it is much better than swapping disks all the time... >Finally, I haven't tried all this myself yet I should add. I have a SCSI-ZIP drive connected to the S550 and it works fine. But I can NOT load the system from the ZIP drive. So I always have the system disk in the disk drive... >About the libraries: I thought they're 'as complete' as those of the >sgroup-archive. >So the same missing few disks. If anyone has it complete, please let us >know. Please tell me what disk images are defect and I will have a look if I = have working images or original disks. Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 10:49:05 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:48:54 -0400 Received: from slc02.smtp.stsn.com ([12.23.74.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:48:46 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([10.1.30.221]) by slc02.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:47:57 -0600 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5CEmOQ36532 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:48:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:17:06 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:16:59 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:16:57 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 07:16:57 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9808@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries Thread-Index: AcIRmHxN5SUTLFwxRTKYZDAqPLJnbAAain5g From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "mans" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 11:16:57.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA64EA10:01C21202] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo! >I thing a lot of us are hoping for someone to make a cheap PS/2 to = Roland=20 >mouse adapter for the Rolandsamplers but as far as I can se this will=20 >never happen?!! I haven't not done a PS2-mouse converter but my Atari/Amiga mouse = converter prototype is running since the begin of June... Now I am developing a PC-mouse (serial mouse: Microsoft, Mouse Systems = and=20 Logitech standard) to MSX mouse converter. Maybe I will make commercial mouse converters out of it. >Until then, my S-330 probably stay unused. The mouse and the = videoscreen=20 >really does the machine and without one of them.....well.... Otherwise you could send me your S-330 :-) Regarding the RC-100: Does anyone of you have the schematics of the = RC-100 remote control for the Roland samplers? Or does anyone have ever looked = at the serial data sent to the sampler? I am thinking of making a similar thing and would like to save time. Otherwise I would have to connect my logic analyzer to the = RC-100/sampler connection=20 to see what is transfered here... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 12:06:16 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:06:07 -0400 Received: from slc02.smtp.stsn.com ([12.23.74.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:06:04 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([10.1.30.221]) by slc02.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:05:16 -0600 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5CG5gO40795 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:05:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:02:35 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-51-127.tnt8.me2.uunet.de [149.225.51.127]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id SAA27578 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:02:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D076D7D.C1E602A1@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:49:21 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries References: <20020612000804.14169.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 16:05:17.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1925260:01C2122A] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk gareth davies wrote: > Anyway. Comparatively limited the S-550 may be, but > as long as it can sound nice and crunchy and lo-fi, > it'll be fine with me. >:) IMHO the S-550 doesn't sound lo-fi or crunchy. Unless you're using lo-fi or crunchy samples, that is ;-) But generally it's sound is quite clean. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 12:06:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:06:33 -0400 Received: from slc02.smtp.stsn.com ([12.23.74.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:06:26 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([10.1.30.221]) by slc02.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:05:37 -0600 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5CG65840807 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:02:35 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-51-127.tnt8.me2.uunet.de [149.225.51.127]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id SAA27509 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:02:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D076BBB.D29F78E5@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:41:50 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Windows Communication References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2002 16:05:38.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE1DD6D0:01C2122A] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Glyn wrote: > Something else that occurred to me (and I might have missed something > fundamental here) is if the S-760 is fitted with the OP760/1 expansion board > in addition to the monitor/mouse interface it also gives digital > input/output right? Yes, one stereo input and even two stereo outputs. > What would stop you connecting the digital in/out to a soundcard in the PC > that has SP/DIF in/out (I have the Yamaha DS2416 for example) and using > _any_ .wav sample on the PC, editing it with CoolEdit, SoundForge, Wavelab > etc. and then resample that into the S760 from the PC? > > No SCSI problems and the sound is always in the digital domain. > > You could also use an existing sample from the S760, record it into the PC > using the digital SP/DIF (which would probably now be in .wav format), edit > it to your hearts content using any editor and then resample it back into > the S-760? This should work fine, however, the loop points are lost. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 13:12:42 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193718-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:12:35 -0400 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193717-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:12:28 -0400 Received: from user-2ive0nu.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.2.254] helo=mindspring.com) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17IBfM-0004Wy-00; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3D078121.FFFA7197@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:13:05 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Lincoln , Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries References: <000001c2119d$e73d7f20$46e14bd5@ptr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020611171425.00bf4650@mail.blarg.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ben Lincoln wrote: > I love the sound of my S330, but the S2000 is a lot easier to work with over > SCSI to the PC using Millennium. > I'm not saying "don't buy an old s-sampler!!!" but it's always good to have > all > the facts when making a purchase decision, especially when you're on a > student budget. Good point. I'm always amazed when I check features of the nicer Akai and Yamaha samplers against those of my S-760 (and S-550) but from what I've heard, the Rolands sound head-and-shoulders better than the other brands. That may just be opinion but it seems fairly consistent. Say, has anyone here ever loaded the same Akai sample disk in an Akai sampler AND a Roland S-700 sampler side-by-side and compared the difference? As far as how good the older S-550/S-50/S-330 samplers are, I recently found some old demos I'd done on a Tascam Portastudio using Roland R-8 drum sounds I'd sampled into my S-550. The drums sounded awesome - maybe someone with better ears than I would've noticed it wasn't a real R-8 or 16-bit drum system but it sounded perfectly fine with the real guitars, bass and synths also used on the recordings. If you like the S-550 and the library you have for it, by all means keep it and use it to its fullest extent. It's usually better to have one good or OK system with which you're very familiar and can do lots of things with, than one or too many better systems with which you're not as facile. You often end up wasting too much time learning the new system and it is possible to have too many choices. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 13:43:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193719-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:43:13 -0400 Received: from thebe (thebe.your-site.com [140.186.45.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193718-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:43:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (12-249-58-103.client.attbi.com [12.249.58.103]) by thebe (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B65D2D863; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:42:58 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:43:44 -0400 Subject: sgroup test:ignore2 From: aeon To: DigitalHell Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk test:ignore2 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 15:32:17 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193720-20219>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:32:10 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193719-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:31:57 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0E90A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.233.10]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA04001 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:31:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g5CJUAg01225 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:30:10 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:30:10 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Font Message-ID: <20020612213010.B1007@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a very strange question: does anyone know the name of the font that is used for the text "Digital Sampler" at the front of the S-330/550? I want to make a website, I allready told so, and for that I need a font. Can anyone help me? Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 18:14:05 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:13:56 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net090s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193721-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:13:47 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.225.41]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:12:31 +0200 Message-ID: <012601c2125f$57bea460$29e14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Ullrich Peter" , References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9811@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:01:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Phew, duplicating a RC-100 ? Sorry, don't have schematics nor a logic analyzer or such. But I recently had my RC-100 openened to replace all the push-buttons and there's quite some stuff in it. Mostly routing & buttons etc, but still. I must say that I consider the front-panel/mouse/RC-100 configuration of the S-550/330 a bit user-unfriendly. (I mean the setting up, not using them). As you know it's not a matter of replacing them, you have to adjust some setting if you want to use say the remote instead of mouse etc. I guess this property of these samplers won't make your intended reverse engineering much simpler. Finally: I've used my S-330 with a mouse and got used to it. Works well. Now I have the S-550 with mouse & RC-100 and I must say that the RC-100 is not in all aspects better. maybe because of my pre-S-550 period, but some things are just simpler to do with the mouse. In practice I often end up with a combination: right hand mouse, left hand some button-pushing on the RC-100. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ullrich Peter To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: AW: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries Hallo! >I thing a lot of us are hoping for someone to make a cheap PS/2 to Roland >mouse adapter for the Rolandsamplers but as far as I can se this will >never happen?!! I haven't not done a PS2-mouse converter but my Atari/Amiga mouse converter prototype is running since the begin of June... Now I am developing a PC-mouse (serial mouse: Microsoft, Mouse Systems and Logitech standard) to MSX mouse converter. Maybe I will make commercial mouse converters out of it. >Until then, my S-330 probably stay unused. The mouse and the videoscreen >really does the machine and without one of them.....well.... Otherwise you could send me your S-330 :-) Regarding the RC-100: Does anyone of you have the schematics of the RC-100 remote control for the Roland samplers? Or does anyone have ever looked at the serial data sent to the sampler? I am thinking of making a similar thing and would like to save time. Otherwise I would have to connect my logic analyzer to the RC-100/sampler connection to see what is transfered here... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 18:14:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193721-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:13:57 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net090s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:13:50 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.225.41]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:12:33 +0200 Message-ID: <012801c2125f$5926bfe0$29e14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Ullrich Peter" , "SGROUP" References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9812@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: Re: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! / Roland lib disks Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:18:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, ** About booting from Zip: I'll check, I thought I had it seen being mentioned somewhere. Is it not described in the supplemental-notes (Roland, 1998) ? ** About missing library-disks: Thanks for the offer ! What's most convenient for you, to mail zipped sdisk images or put them somewhere on site ? I've checked which disks are missing/damaged/wrong from the various libraries around the web and I think the list is like this: --- from the RSB-50 Sound Libraries --- RSB-501, disk #10 tenor/sophrano saxophone RSB-502, disk #1 mallets no.1 (but this might be identical to L503#12 available elsewhere...) RSB-502, disk #10 electr. guitar no.1 RSB-503, disk #8 train ride, air base RSB-504, disk #6 solo trump & french horn RSB-505, disk #5 latin perc. no.1 (perhaps identical to disk L503#11 available elsewhere...) RSB-505, disk #8 snares --- from the RSB-550 Sound Libraries --- RSB-5502, disk #10 stereo drum kit #2 In case there are still some missing disks left, Gareth in a previous message to the list mentioned he might also be of help with some uploads (but he hasn't got his S-550 with eventual lib yet). OK, nice, let's see how far we come here. Thanks / bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ullrich Peter To: SGROUP Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: AW: sgroup S550 SCSI board parts list! Hi! >A _fact_ is that say a Zip-100 can be formatted up to 80 MB. That's actually >not bad; enough for a device as the S-550, it's a lot of floppies. Yes it is much better than swapping disks all the time... >Finally, I haven't tried all this myself yet I should add. I have a SCSI-ZIP drive connected to the S550 and it works fine. But I can NOT load the system from the ZIP drive. So I always have the system disk in the disk drive... >About the libraries: I thought they're 'as complete' as those of the >sgroup-archive. >So the same missing few disks. If anyone has it complete, please let us >know. Please tell me what disk images are defect and I will have a look if I have working images or original disks. Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 18:14:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-13882>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:13:58 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net090s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193720-20220>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:13:46 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.225.41]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:12:27 +0200 Message-ID: <012301c2125f$55732dc0$29e14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <2002Jun11.200407edt.193715-24840@hugin.uunet.ca> Subject: sgroup Re: mouse - MSX Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:47:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, You're right, the MSX-mouse is in fact quite a hypotetical(sp?) possibility. But you never know, I did found one (but bought quite a few non-correct wannabe's before it....) It's silly that they're asking this much for a simple mouse - I guess locating another S-330 with a mouse included might be even more economical... Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: mans To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:08 AM Subject: Re: sgroup intro / old samplers / libraries > > Be informed that an MSX-computer mouse works directly. > > That is correct, yes. > > But I have seen one MSX computer in my life and that was more than 10 > years ago and it didn't have a mouse. And, since MSX computers had a peak > in homecomputing somewhere round 1985 the only one of them left with a > mouse are extreamly rare and therefore no alternative. I did'nt even try > ebay....prices of used MSX gear are to high.... > > Roland still have the mouse in stock, but for 1000 SEK (approximatly 100 > US dollar) so the only alternative left is an adapter from a vanilla-PC- > mouse to Roland mouse. There was a DIY project with a 16F84-PIC involved > on some japaneese site, I sent the guy a mail but no answer. Anyone tryed > that one out? It really should give the Roland samplers a long life. > > file://Måns > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 18:56:49 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-13882>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:56:40 -0400 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.190.223.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-3985>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:56:35 -0400 Received: from Abit (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 94728160001B8 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:56:31 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: Subject: RE: sgroup Windows Communication Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:56:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D076BBB.D29F78E5@cityweb.de> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I should have guessed there would have been a catch...:-) Regards, -=Glyn=- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On > Behalf Of Ingo Debus > Sent: 12 June 2002 16:42 > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup Windows Communication > > You could also use an existing sample from the S760, record it > into the PC > > using the digital SP/DIF (which would probably now be in .wav > format), edit > > it to your hearts content using any editor and then resample it > back into > > the S-760? > > This should work fine, however, the loop points are lost. > > Ingo > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 12 19:26:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-13882>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:26:31 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-3985>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:26:26 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.114.143]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020612232622.LHPQ19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1> for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:26:22 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c21267$a333af00$8f72580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <1412659817.1023908642@[192.168.0.11]> Subject: Re: sgroup Windows Communication Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:19:43 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C21246.1B2649E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C21246.1B2649E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, That's the reason why Digital I/O transfers have never really = interested. While this way would work (and is better than nothing at = all), you lose your loop points, velocity splits and any other sampler = specific data (modulation routings, TVA, TVF, etc.) that would be = necessary to have a true streamlined data transferring system. SCSI = transfers could allow us to make our own CD-ROMS, transfer data = downloaded off of the net, write a program that would allow us to = quickly import and export .wav files, etc. I'm just convinced there's got to be a way. Is there no way to petition = Roland and ask them for a simple favor - Ask them to add something where = the S760 identifies itself? Also, did anyone hear the rumors of a newer = Roland sampler coming out? Later, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bernie Maier To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:04 AM Subject: RE: sgroup Windows Communication > Glyn wrote: >=20 > [...] > > Something else that occurred to me (and I might have missed = something > > fundamental here) is if the S-760 is fitted with the OP760/1 = expansion > > board in addition to the monitor/mouse interface it also gives = digital > > input/output right? >=20 > Yep. >=20 > [...details of sampling S-760 -> PC via S/PDIF and vice versa = skipped...] >=20 > > Any sample would be read/write in real-time, no SCSI problems and > > hopefully no generation loss as the signal is always in the digital > > domain. > [...] > > Or have I missed something here? >=20 > Yes - such sampling is limited to real-time. SCSI transfers would > be much, much faster. >=20 > As far as I'm aware, the problem with the S-760's SCSI implementation > is that it does not respond to a SCSI message requesting devices to > identify themselves. On a PC, you typically see ID messages from SCSI > disks and CD-ROM drives when you boot your PC. You don't see such a > message from the S-760, even when it is already in "Remote Control" > mode (it needs to be put into this mode via MIDI sysex messages before > it even can receive SCSI messages[*]). >=20 > Presumably Windows only wants to talk to SCSI devices that have = identified > themselves on startup. Personally, I would have hoped that you could > force Windows to communicate with a specified SCSI ID regardless of > whether it has identified itself or not, but I have not confirmed = this. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Bernie >=20 > [*] To the SCSI experts, please excuse the loose terminology. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C21246.1B2649E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
That's the reason why Digital I/O = transfers have=20 never really interested. While this way would work (and is = better than=20 nothing at all), you lose your loop points, velocity splits and any = other=20 sampler specific data (modulation routings, TVA, TVF, etc.) that would = be=20 necessary to have a true streamlined data transferring system. SCSI = transfers=20 could allow us to make our own CD-ROMS, transfer data downloaded off of = the net,=20 write a program that would allow us to quickly import and export .wav = files,=20 etc.
 
I'm just convinced there's got to be a = way. Is=20 there no way to petition Roland and ask them for a simple favor - Ask = them to=20 add something where the S760 identifies itself? Also, did anyone hear = the rumors=20 of a newer Roland sampler coming out?
 
Later,
Harold
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Maier <blurk@zip.com.au>
To: <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:04 = AM
Subject: RE: sgroup Windows=20 Communication

> Glyn <glyn@who.net> wrote:
> =
>=20 [...]
> > Something else that occurred to me (and I might have = missed=20 something
> > fundamental here) is if the S-760 is fitted with = the=20 OP760/1 expansion
> > board in addition to the monitor/mouse = interface=20 it also gives digital
> > input/output right?
>
>=20 Yep.
>
> [...details of sampling S-760 -> PC via S/PDIF = and vice=20 versa skipped...]
>
> > Any sample would be read/write = in=20 real-time, no SCSI problems and
> > hopefully no generation = loss as the=20 signal is always in the digital
> > domain.
> = [...]
> >=20 Or have I missed something here?
>
> Yes - such sampling is = limited=20 to real-time.  SCSI transfers would
> be much, much = faster.
>=20
> As far as I'm aware, the problem with the S-760's SCSI=20 implementation
> is that it does not respond to a SCSI message = requesting=20 devices to
> identify themselves.  On a PC, you typically see = ID=20 messages from SCSI
> disks and CD-ROM drives when you boot your = PC. =20 You don't see such a
> message from the S-760, even when it is = already in=20 "Remote Control"
> mode (it needs to be put into this mode via = MIDI sysex=20 messages before
> it even can receive SCSI messages[*]).
> =
>=20 Presumably Windows only wants to talk to SCSI devices that have=20 identified
> themselves on startup.  Personally, I would have = hoped=20 that you could
> force Windows to communicate with a specified = SCSI ID=20 regardless of
> whether it has identified itself or not, but I = have not=20 confirmed this.
>
> Cheers,
>
> =    =20 Bernie
>
> [*] To the SCSI experts, please excuse the loose = terminology.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Sent = by the=20 sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca
> For subscription = information, send=20 mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca
= > and=20 see http://www.generalconcept= s.com/sgroup/=20 for more information.
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C21246.1B2649E0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 13 12:51:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-23174>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:51:29 -0400 Received: from web12105.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.172.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193725-23174>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: <20020613165115.37661.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.91.75.30] by web12105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:51:15 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:51:15 -0400 From: 'Ace' Yates Subject: sgroup s-550 comments... To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I had a s-550 before moving on to a s-760. It was a great sampler at the time. Positives: -use of sub tones. You can take a sample and use chunks of it in different tones, with their own loop points, etc -multi-point envelope and filtering: i remember it to have about 8 points. - 8 parts per performance/16 voices - excellent graphical interface, can 'draw in' parts of a waveform. graph is on the majority of the screen. Negatives: Obviously you can't compare the 760 to the 550... - 7.2 second limit for 30khz samples, yet max sampling time is 28.8 seconds; 14.4 seconds for 15khz samples, max sampling time 57.6 seconds. - can only truncate 'segments' of samples - hard to find SCSI board...works with a limited number of SCSI devices (has anyone ever gotten it to work with a ZIP?, I thought it only worked with a limited number of Syquest drives) -no digital i/o (but does ANY 12-bit sampler have one?) -can't edit without the monitor. I recommend getting the CD-5 operating system even if you don't get a SCSI board. Just my $0.02 Mike ===== "TipToe" Ace"If it ain't broke, you're not tryin""If the women don't find you handsome, at least they'll find you handy"---Red Green __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 13 15:06:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193727-23174>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:06:29 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net088s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193726-23173>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:06:18 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.156.87]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:04:55 +0200 Message-ID: <008601c2130e$4f49c620$579c4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "'Ace' Yates" , References: <20020613165115.37661.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:12:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Thanks for the info/comparison. Little question about your remark about: > Obviously you can't compare the 760 to the 550... Obviously I should first state that results of course depend greatly on the programming & work you put in it, but the above remark triggered me: Could it be true that if you want to mimic 'real instruments' the memory-limit of the S-550/-330 vs S-760 is more 'visible'/limiting ? I mean, I can very well imagine there are some wicked possibilities with a sampler with even a few seconds of memory. But for 'real instruments', longer samples are important to make it sound less artificial, right ? Just wondering - other opinions ? Bye / thanks, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Ace' Yates To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:51 PM Subject: sgroup s-550 comments... > I had a s-550 before moving on to a s-760. It was a > great sampler at the time. > > Positives: > -use of sub tones. You can take a sample and use > chunks of it in different tones, with their own loop > points, etc > > -multi-point envelope and filtering: i remember it to > have about 8 points. > > - 8 parts per performance/16 voices > > - excellent graphical interface, can 'draw in' parts > of a waveform. graph is on the majority of the > screen. > > Negatives: > > Obviously you can't compare the 760 to the 550... > > - 7.2 second limit for 30khz samples, yet max sampling > time is 28.8 seconds; 14.4 seconds for 15khz samples, > max sampling time 57.6 seconds. > > - can only truncate 'segments' of samples > - hard to find SCSI board...works with a limited > number of SCSI devices (has anyone ever gotten it to > work with a ZIP?, I thought it only worked with a > limited number of Syquest drives) > -no digital i/o (but does ANY 12-bit sampler have > one?) > > -can't edit without the monitor. > > I recommend getting the CD-5 operating system even if > you don't get a SCSI board. > > Just my $0.02 > > Mike > > ===== > > > "TipToe" Ace"If it ain't broke, you're not tryin""If the women don't find you handsome, at least they'll find you handy"---Red Green > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 13 15:12:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193728-23174>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:12:52 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193727-23174>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:12:42 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D08D4740000944B for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:11:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c2130e$3da441c0$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: References: <20020613165115.37661.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> <008601c2130e$4f49c620$579c4bd5@ptr> Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:12:11 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk yes of course...more memory..not only for longer samples, but for MORE multisamples across the keyboard, several velocity layers, and higher sample rate... but of course... All that being said... I currently own an XV-5080, Kurzweil K2500, Triton Pro and Gigasampler....and I STILL have my S-550 and have absolutely no intention of getting rid of it. Why? Because that original sample lib made by roland for the S-550 is, in my opinion, one of the best they ever did. Was it Eric Pershing back then? I'm pretty sure. And the library totally rocks. As do the 3rd party samples I got for it. True, the sampled pianos SUCK on the S-550. The strings are only good if you don't need treble or stereo. B-). But there are OODLES of killer meat and potatoe sounds in that library...and for the longest time I have not been able to find as usable a collection of sounds for getting down to writing music...then what is in that library for the S-550. I still use it all that time... ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "'Ace' Yates" ; Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... > Hi, > > > Thanks for the info/comparison. Little question about your remark about: > > > Obviously you can't compare the 760 to the 550... > > Obviously I should first state that results of course depend greatly on > the programming & work you put in it, but the above remark triggered me: > > Could it be true that if you want to mimic 'real instruments' the > memory-limit > of the S-550/-330 vs S-760 is more 'visible'/limiting ? > > I mean, I can very well imagine there are some wicked possibilities with a > sampler > with even a few seconds of memory. But for 'real instruments', longer > samples > are important to make it sound less artificial, right ? > > Just wondering - other opinions ? > > Bye / thanks, > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Ace' Yates > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:51 PM > Subject: sgroup s-550 comments... > > > > I had a s-550 before moving on to a s-760. It was a > > great sampler at the time. > > > > Positives: > > -use of sub tones. You can take a sample and use > > chunks of it in different tones, with their own loop > > points, etc > > > > -multi-point envelope and filtering: i remember it to > > have about 8 points. > > > > - 8 parts per performance/16 voices > > > > - excellent graphical interface, can 'draw in' parts > > of a waveform. graph is on the majority of the > > screen. > > > > Negatives: > > > > Obviously you can't compare the 760 to the 550... > > > > - 7.2 second limit for 30khz samples, yet max sampling > > time is 28.8 seconds; 14.4 seconds for 15khz samples, > > max sampling time 57.6 seconds. > > > > - can only truncate 'segments' of samples > > - hard to find SCSI board...works with a limited > > number of SCSI devices (has anyone ever gotten it to > > work with a ZIP?, I thought it only worked with a > > limited number of Syquest drives) > > -no digital i/o (but does ANY 12-bit sampler have > > one?) > > > > -can't edit without the monitor. > > > > I recommend getting the CD-5 operating system even if > > you don't get a SCSI board. > > > > Just my $0.02 > > > > Mike > > > > ===== > > > > > > "TipToe" Ace"If it ain't broke, you're not tryin""If the women don't find > you handsome, at least they'll find you handy"---Red Green > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 13 17:36:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-23173>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:36:16 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([206.187.69.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23173>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:36:12 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5DLZxr06357 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:35:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from sunny.pacific.net.au ([203.25.148.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-13882>; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:11:34 -0400 Received: from wisma.pacific.net.au (wisma.pacific.net.au [210.23.129.72]) by sunny.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id g5D1BNZr000657 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:11:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.254] (ppp105.adsl89.pacific.net.au [202.7.89.105]) by wisma.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id LAA24378 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:11:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:12:31 -0400 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Windows Communication Message-ID: <1470768262.1023966751@[192.168.0.11]> In-Reply-To: <002701c21267$a333af00$8f72580c@epu1> References: <002701c21267$a333af00$8f72580c@epu1> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: [...] > I'm just convinced there's got to be a way. Is there no way to petition > Roland and ask them for a simple favor - Ask them to add something where > the S760 identifies itself? I think the SCSI implementation is in the hardware (well, the firmware) rather than the OS. So getting Roland to change the SCSI implementation of an obsolete sampler as a favour now, if they didn't bother earlier, is pretty unlikely. I think the closest we could manage is to write software that directly accesses the SCSI disks and CD-ROMs that the sampler is using, and does the appropriate conversions. Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 13 17:53:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-23173>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:53:34 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23173>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:53:27 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D08D47400016297; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:52:35 -0700 Message-ID: <007301c21324$b4f969b0$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Bernie Maier" , References: <002701c21267$a333af00$8f72580c@epu1> <1470768262.1023966751@[192.168.0.11]> Subject: Re: sgroup Windows Communication Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:52:53 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk There is no way in hell that Roland will do anything for you on this... They have proven to be VERY unresponsiveness over the years to these kinds of requests....but I doubt other manufacturers would mess around much with a long antiquated musical device much either... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie Maier" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Windows Communication > "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > > [...] > > > I'm just convinced there's got to be a way. Is there no way to petition > > Roland and ask them for a simple favor - Ask them to add something where > > the S760 identifies itself? > > I think the SCSI implementation is in the hardware (well, the firmware) > rather than the OS. So getting Roland to change the SCSI implementation > of an obsolete sampler as a favour now, if they didn't bother earlier, > is pretty unlikely. > > I think the closest we could manage is to write software that directly > accesses the SCSI disks and CD-ROMs that the sampler is using, and does > the appropriate conversions. > > Cheers, > > Bernie > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 13 20:12:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-23174>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:12:32 -0400 Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.14]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-23173>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:12:21 -0400 Message-ID: <20020614001218.36161.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.83.161] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:12:18 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:12:18 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! To: sgroup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey everyone, No response from Carsten Wernke (the author of the S-550 SCSI board parts list) yet - it's only been a couple of days, and if I don't hear from him soonish I could always try again in a couple of days... But I don't have to. Apparently Roland Australia are able to answer a few more questions over the phone - they've got a copy of the original service notes, with schematics, pin connections, and all the rest of it, plus a copy of the HD5-IF service manual, for about US$13 (A$29)! As soon as I can (after I get the actual sampler home), I'll order them in, and maybe later I can scan them or something. According to Roland I could even get the original SCSI controller chip and one of the other CMOSes for about US$40.. Might be cheaper to find them somewhere else though - I'll look into the details and post them to the list. Would anybody be interested in buying these if I was able to find stockpiles of the parts, get a few PCBs printed, and start producing them? I wouldn't charge much, but enough to cover the parts - with a little bit over to try to earn back some of the money I'll be spending on the manual/schematic... Seems like this would help out S550 owners who don't have much electronics experience. Just a thought. Suggestions/ideas welcome. All this really depends on the availability of parts - I'm working on this now. *bow* ===== gareth davies gklitschprizm mod\ (beware the gklitschkitty) <[hyphen x 0.5]> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 13 20:17:50 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-23174>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:17:40 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net015s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.155]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23174>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:17:37 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.240.65]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 02:16:17 +0200 Message-ID: <002901c21339$cedf4ec0$41f04bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Steve Schow" , References: <20020613165115.37661.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> <008601c2130e$4f49c620$579c4bd5@ptr> <001101c2130e$3da441c0$6401a8c0@midiman> Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:24:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Sorry for my obvious question - but thanks for responding, good to hear that the S-550 hasn't become obsolete in your setup because of those other modules you mentioned. I agree on the 550/50-lib, sounds good - although I'm not that overwhelmed by the brass-sounds. Brass/horms sounds a bit cheap imho. Otherwise an impressive lib on it's own - until now I didn't really had a clue how it compared to other stuff/gear. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Schow To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:12 PM Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... > yes of course...more memory..not only for longer samples, but for MORE > multisamples across the keyboard, several velocity layers, and higher sample > rate... but of course... > > All that being said... I currently own an XV-5080, Kurzweil K2500, Triton > Pro and Gigasampler....and I STILL have my S-550 and have absolutely no > intention of getting rid of it. Why? Because that original sample lib made > by roland for the S-550 is, in my opinion, one of the best they ever did. > Was it Eric Pershing back then? I'm pretty sure. And the library totally > rocks. As do the 3rd party samples I got for it. True, the sampled pianos > SUCK on the S-550. The strings are only good if you don't need treble or > stereo. B-). But there are OODLES of killer meat and potatoe sounds in > that library...and for the longest time I have not been able to find as > usable a collection of sounds for getting down to writing music...then what > is in that library for the S-550. > > I still use it all that time... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P. Vermeeren" > To: "'Ace' Yates" ; > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Thanks for the info/comparison. Little question about your remark about: > > > > > Obviously you can't compare the 760 to the 550... > > > > Obviously I should first state that results of course depend greatly on > > the programming & work you put in it, but the above remark triggered me: > > > > Could it be true that if you want to mimic 'real instruments' the > > memory-limit > > of the S-550/-330 vs S-760 is more 'visible'/limiting ? > > > > I mean, I can very well imagine there are some wicked possibilities with a > > sampler > > with even a few seconds of memory. But for 'real instruments', longer > > samples > > are important to make it sound less artificial, right ? > > > > Just wondering - other opinions ? > > > > Bye / thanks, > > > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Ace' Yates > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 6:51 PM > > Subject: sgroup s-550 comments... > > > > > > > I had a s-550 before moving on to a s-760. It was a > > > great sampler at the time. > > > > > > Positives: > > > -use of sub tones. You can take a sample and use > > > chunks of it in different tones, with their own loop > > > points, etc > > > > > > -multi-point envelope and filtering: i remember it to > > > have about 8 points. > > > > > > - 8 parts per performance/16 voices > > > > > > - excellent graphical interface, can 'draw in' parts > > > of a waveform. graph is on the majority of the > > > screen. > > > > > > Negatives: > > > > > > Obviously you can't compare the 760 to the 550... > > > > > > - 7.2 second limit for 30khz samples, yet max sampling > > > time is 28.8 seconds; 14.4 seconds for 15khz samples, > > > max sampling time 57.6 seconds. > > > > > > - can only truncate 'segments' of samples > > > - hard to find SCSI board...works with a limited > > > number of SCSI devices (has anyone ever gotten it to > > > work with a ZIP?, I thought it only worked with a > > > limited number of Syquest drives) > > > -no digital i/o (but does ANY 12-bit sampler have > > > one?) > > > > > > -can't edit without the monitor. > > > > > > I recommend getting the CD-5 operating system even if > > > you don't get a SCSI board. > > > > > > Just my $0.02 > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > "TipToe" Ace"If it ain't broke, you're not tryin""If the women don't > find > > you handsome, at least they'll find you handy"---Red Green > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 13 20:23:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-23174>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:23:45 -0400 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23173>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:23:40 -0400 Received: from sdn-ar-009casfrmp180.dialsprint.net ([158.252.240.182] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17IesI-0002vj-00; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:23:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3D0937A3.56DE2DDF@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:24:03 -0400 From: Clay Leander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gareth davies CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! References: <20020614001218.36161.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Yes, I for one would be interested if you could fashion a SCSI board for the S550... Clayton Leander El Cerrito, CA (ps: would also a board for the S50 be too much hassle?) gareth davies wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > No response from Carsten Wernke (the author of the > S-550 SCSI board parts list) yet - it's only been a > couple of days, and if I don't hear from him soonish I > could always try again in a couple of days... > > But I don't have to. Apparently Roland Australia are > able to answer a few more questions over the phone - > they've got a copy of the original service notes, with > schematics, pin connections, and all the rest of it, > plus a copy of the HD5-IF service manual, for about > US$13 (A$29)! > > As soon as I can (after I get the actual sampler > home), I'll order them in, and maybe later I can scan > them or something. According to Roland I could even > get the original SCSI controller chip and one of the > other CMOSes for about US$40.. Might be cheaper to > find them somewhere else though - I'll look into the > details and post them to the list. > > Would anybody be interested in buying these if I was > able to find stockpiles of the parts, get a few PCBs > printed, and start producing them? I wouldn't charge > much, but enough to cover the parts - with a little > bit over to try to earn back some of the money I'll be > spending on the manual/schematic... Seems like this > would help out S550 owners who don't have much > electronics experience. > > Just a thought. Suggestions/ideas welcome. All this > really depends on the availability of parts - I'm > working on this now. > > *bow* > > ===== > gareth davies > gklitschprizm mod\ > (beware the gklitschkitty) > <[hyphen x 0.5]> > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 00:36:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:35:58 -0400 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com ([65.24.0.112]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:35:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (grv230021.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.21]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5E4Zk517901 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:34:28 -0400 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <194458599.20020614003428@columbus.rr.com> To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! In-Reply-To: <20020614001218.36161.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020614001218.36161.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Would this work for an S-50 as well?? If so, I'd be interested. I'm so bummed that I didn't by all of the accessories for my S-50 when they were available. SCSI, pen tablet etc. In the last year my band has added a lot of looping sequences which has caused be to rediscover my S-50. I'd forgotten just how easy and convenient it was to use. Thursday, June 13, 2002, 8:12:18 PM, you wrote: gd> ..... gd> As soon as I can (after I get the actual sampler gd> home), I'll order them in, and maybe later I can scan gd> them or something. According to Roland I could even gd> get the original SCSI controller chip and one of the gd> other CMOSes for about US$40.. Might be cheaper to gd> find them somewhere else though - I'll look into the gd> details and post them to the list. gd> Would anybody be interested in buying these if I was gd> able to find stockpiles of the parts, get a few PCBs gd> printed, and start producing them? I wouldn't charge gd> much, but enough to cover the parts - with a little gd> bit over to try to earn back some of the money I'll be gd> spending on the manual/schematic... Seems like this gd> would help out S550 owners who don't have much gd> electronics experience. gd> ===== gd> gareth davies gd> gklitschprizm mod\ gd> (beware the gklitschkitty) gd> <[hyphen x 0.5]> Len "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead (Change starts here: http://www.ishmael.com/origins/Ishmael/) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 00:39:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:39:33 -0400 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:39:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 21356 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2002 04:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?64.81.118.51?) ([64.81.118.51]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jun 2002 04:39:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: omz23@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <194458599.20020614003428@columbus.rr.com> References: <20020614001218.36161.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <194458599.20020614003428@columbus.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:41:35 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Would this work for an S-50 as well?? >If so, I'd be interested. I'm so bummed that I >didn't by all of the accessories for my S-50 when >they were available. SCSI, pen tablet etc. In >the last year my band has added a lot of looping >sequences which has caused be to rediscover my S-50. >I'd forgotten just how easy and convenient it was to use. I don't think SCSI has ever been an option for the S-50... -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 00:42:56 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:42:49 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:42:39 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D08D4740002C69E; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:41:44 -0700 Message-ID: <00fd01c2135d$de4f2410$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: , "omz" References: <20020614001218.36161.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> <194458599.20020614003428@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:42:10 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Yes, it definitely has been an option for the S-50 and I think the same interface works...not positive... Folks you do need to realize that its very unlikely that you will find a CDROM drive that works with your S-550, even more unlikely that you will find any actual CDROM discs that will work with your S-550...and the HD's I'm not sure. You might find something. They only support up to 80MB (Megabytes..not Gigabytes).... And only certain drives... So I would find out about those drives and find them before you waste any time and money trying to build an interface.. sorry for the bad news... cheers -steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "omz" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! > >Would this work for an S-50 as well?? > >If so, I'd be interested. I'm so bummed that I > >didn't by all of the accessories for my S-50 when > >they were available. SCSI, pen tablet etc. In > >the last year my band has added a lot of looping > >sequences which has caused be to rediscover my S-50. > >I'd forgotten just how easy and convenient it was to use. > > I don't think SCSI has ever been an option for the S-50... > > -- > > > > ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- > omz > > beautamous loaf recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 03:51:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 03:51:47 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 03:51:44 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:51:38 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:51:37 +0200 Subject: sgroup About my mouse converter for Roland samplers... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 03:51:37 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9830@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: About my mouse converter for Roland samplers... Thread-Index: AcITePMJa3EaglkASw+1Um9/eknjYA== From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "SGROUP" Cc: "W+P Schicker" , "Karnthaler Walter" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 07:51:37.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[50087510:01C21378] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! As I mentioned from time to time in the last few months I am designing = mouse converters for the Roland samplers. So you can take a mouse from another computer = and convert the incompatible signals into mouse signals the Roland samplers can = understand. The development of the prototype and software of the first type for = Atari and Amiga mice is already working. A jumper select which of the both mouse types should be = used as they=20 have a different pinning.I made a simple webpage showing some pictures = of the prototype and=20 of the supported mouse types. I am thinking of making a commercial = product out of this=20 project as quite a lot of people are interested in getting one. But I = hardware redesign would be necessary (a smaller and cheaper microcontroller) to get a better = price as the microcontroller I am using now is too expensive (about 70US here in Europe). As every mouse has the mouse signals that come out of these two mouse = types internally it is possible to use EVERY MOUSE with this converter type when you = change the electronics=20 of the mouse so that the quadrature signal of the optical encoder for = the x- and y-axis comes out of the mouse. I already changed one mouse and one trackball into Atari compatible types that now can be used with the converter. The second version I am still working on should convert standard PC-mice = that work with the Microsoft, Mouse System or Logitech format. The prototype hardware = is already built and the software wriiten but not tested and debugged... And I am also thinking of a third version that could work with = PS2-mice... But this type=20 is a future project... If you are interested in the converter just click on the link: http://home.pages.at/pullrich/mousecon.htm Attention! There is no link from my standard webpage to this page!=20 You have to use the link above! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 04:11:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:11:51 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:11:44 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D08D47400035D0D for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:10:53 -0700 Message-ID: <01bd01c2137b$1595d000$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "SGROUP" References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9830@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: sgroup Which HD's Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:11:20 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk By the way, this is what the S-550 or HD-IF manual says about HD's that will work ========================================================================= (SCSI Specifications for the Apple Macintosh) Apple M-2620 (20Mb) M-2644 (40Mb) M-2688 (80Mb) CMS SD-20 (20Mb) SD-80 (80Mb) * No other hard disk can be used * The Apple hard disks are not provided with connecting cables. The Apple connecting cable (M0206) should be purchased 20Mb = 16 floppies 40Mb = 32 floppies 80Mb = 64 floppies ========================================================================== This is currently posted on the sgroup website as well... http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/information/ But since Peter has a zip drive working with his S-550, it makes me wonder if just about any SCSI HD will work so long as you boot with a floppy and somehow set the HD to only use 80MB. How do you format a drive for S-550 use? There is no info about CDROM drives that I can tell...I just vaguelly remember from 10 years ago that some Apple drives would work. Maybe its sony drives. I forget now. I don't think it really matters. I think we're on to something with using Zip drives. They aren't as resiliant as CDR's so make backups, but at least they work without any fuss. I see a 100MB zip drive listed on Ebay right now, currently at $15. Hmm... You can always backup the zip disc image to CDR for safe keeping, use the zip drive for working with the S-550. Quieter, smaller...probably not much faster due to the S-550 limitations, but about as fast as its gonna get. Then I can finally huck this CD5 off a cliff once and for all.. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 04:28:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:28:42 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:28:32 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:28:29 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:28:29 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: AW: sgroup Which HD's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:28:28 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9831@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Which HD's Thread-Index: AcITe2SSQzJ5oFtsQfaL4DsrMPraHQAAeKPA From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Steve Schow" , "SGROUP" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 08:28:29.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[75F75B60:01C2137D] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >By the way, this is what the S-550 or HD-IF manual says about HD's that = will >work > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >(SCSI Specifications for the Apple Macintosh) > >Apple M-2620 (20Mb) > M-2644 (40Mb) > M-2688 (80Mb) > >CMS SD-20 (20Mb) > SD-80 (80Mb) > >* No other hard disk can be used I checked it out and it is NOT right. On the harddisk site I had no problems with the connection and = formatting of=20 SCSI drives. But remember that every drive of every size can only be = formatted=20 to a maximum of 80MB!!! >But since Peter has a zip drive working with his S-550, it makes me = wonder >if just about any SCSI HD will work so long as you boot with a floppy = and >somehow set the HD to only use 80MB. How do you format a drive for = S-550 >use? DISK menu / HD format=20 Of course you need a system that supports the HD5-IF (so the HD-system = or CD-system=20 is needed!) >There is no info about CDROM drives that I can tell...I just vaguelly >remember from 10 years ago that some Apple drives would work. Maybe = its >sony drives. =20 I had a look at the compatibility list and it should be a SONY CDU-6111 = drive... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 04:31:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:31:44 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:31:34 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D08D47400036A0E; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:30:40 -0700 Message-ID: <01e301c2137d$d9451c20$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Ullrich Peter" , "SGROUP" References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9831@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: Re: sgroup Which HD's Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:31:02 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk YES...that is it!!!!! That's the one I remember. If you can find a Sony CDU-6111 drive or another brand that uses that drive mechanism (again, I think an older Apple might have worked), then you'd be golden. But... If you really want a CDROM drive for your S-550 I'll sell you mine after I get a zip drive working!! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Steve Schow" ; "SGROUP" Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:28 AM Subject: AW: sgroup Which HD's I had a look at the compatibility list and it should be a SONY CDU-6111 drive... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 07:11:53 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:11:45 -0400 Received: from web13801.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.11]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:11:38 -0400 Message-ID: <20020614111131.14237.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.83.161] by web13801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:11:31 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:11:31 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: Re: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! To: sgroup In-Reply-To: <194458599.20020614003428@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey everybody, Thanks for all the replies. I tried getting in touch with Fujitsu and Sharp to find out about availability of the SCSI controller chip needed for a replacement HD5-IF... No luck so far though. I'm in the middle of mid-year exams at uni at the moment, so I don't have enough time to really get involved with this project. Maybe in a couple of weeks. Expect gradual progress, anyway. To be honest, I have no idea if the HD5-IF would work with an S-50... My instincts say no, but if the design structure is similar (after all, the S-50's just the keyboard version, right?), it's possible. Adding to this suspicion I found a reference to a third-party S-50 SCSI interface and operating system, again in German (and again on Synrise... hmmm). This may or may not involve the HD5-IF, but it certainly suggests that SCSI is possible with an S-50: www.synrise.de/docs/types/t/tonegenics.htm A quick search on "tonegenics" in Google Groups (the usenet search) shows a few references to HDI-550 motherboard chips and an updated OS, used in conjunction with the HD5-IF... These all date back to 95ish though - anybody have any more info? Here's a quote from an old thread on rec.music.makers.marketplace: *Entire hard drive package for the s-550. Includes: *1) Roland HD5-if scsi board that installs in back of *unit *2) Tonegenics HDI-550 chip which allows hd5 to read a *44mb syquest drive *instead of an apple drive. Install on s-550 *motherboard. *3) Poweruser 44mb syquest drive. With 3 cartridges. *$300 obo Meh. Bet a few of you are kicking yourselves for not seeing that one. ;) Apparently the new OS and chip, used with a Syquest drive, cut load/save times in half! If anyone can tell me anything more about Tonegenics / Tone Genics and their products, I'd be really interested to hear from you. Steve Schow, your name showed up in a "tone genics" search - it spotted a reference you made to it in an sgroup post back in 94. Do you know anything about it other than what you posted? Also, if anybody would like to donate/sell me the dongle to go on the mouse port when using the SYS-553 sequencer for the S-550, so I can take a look at it and perhaps figure out how to make more, I'd really appreciate it - you can contact me directly. Alternatively, if one of the more technically-minded sgroupers owns one and would like to have a look, that would be just as great. I'm really surprised that nobody seems to have looked into this sort of thing before - all the netsearching I've done on the topic has turned up nothing. If we can reverse-engineer the dongle and figure out how to create more, the sequencer package instantly becomes available and accessible to everybody. I don't see any point in maintaining the obscurity of gear like this in order to maintain the existence of some kind of S-550 elite... ;) Anyway, more to follow. I think we can do this, seriously. -gareth --- Gaffa wrote: > > Would this work for an S-50 as well?? > If so, I'd be interested. I'm so bummed that I > didn't by all of the accessories for my S-50 when > they were available. SCSI, pen tablet etc. In > the last year my band has added a lot of looping > sequences which has caused be to rediscover my S-50. > I'd forgotten just how easy and convenient it was to > use. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 07:20:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:20:01 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:19:55 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D09CD1400000DE3; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 04:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: <027b01c21395$5a53a040$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "gareth davies" , "sgroup" References: <20020614111131.14237.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:19:29 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk If memory serves....I tried to contact Tone Genics a long time ago to get their OS and I was told it would not work without the hardware upgrade, which they didn't have anymore. The company went out of business...it was really a one-man operation....not sure where...but they're long gone now. They were long gone in 1995. If you can find Tonegenics stuff...congradulations. For most people, they are very hard/impossible to find. The Syquest drives are also reported to be noisy. Though they do work. It sounds to me like the best bet is Zip drives. However you now have me wondering if Peter is using a 3rd party SCSI interface that is able to read zip disks.. Peter? ----- Original Message ----- From: "gareth davies" To: "sgroup" Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:11 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! > Hey everybody, > > Thanks for all the replies. I tried getting in touch > with Fujitsu and Sharp to find out about availability > of the SCSI controller chip needed for a replacement > HD5-IF... No luck so far though. I'm in the middle > of mid-year exams at uni at the moment, so I don't > have enough time to really get involved with this > project. Maybe in a couple of weeks. Expect gradual > progress, anyway. > > To be honest, I have no idea if the HD5-IF would work > with an S-50... My instincts say no, but if the > design structure is similar (after all, the S-50's > just the keyboard version, right?), it's possible. > Adding to this suspicion I found a reference to a > third-party S-50 SCSI interface and operating system, > again in German (and again on Synrise... hmmm). This > may or may not involve the HD5-IF, but it certainly > suggests that SCSI is possible with an S-50: > > www.synrise.de/docs/types/t/tonegenics.htm > > A quick search on "tonegenics" in Google Groups (the > usenet search) shows a few references to HDI-550 > motherboard chips and an updated OS, used in > conjunction with the HD5-IF... These all date back to > 95ish though - anybody have any more info? Here's a > quote from an old thread on > rec.music.makers.marketplace: > > *Entire hard drive package for the s-550. Includes: > *1) Roland HD5-if scsi board that installs in back of > *unit > *2) Tonegenics HDI-550 chip which allows hd5 to read a > *44mb syquest drive > *instead of an apple drive. Install on s-550 > *motherboard. > *3) Poweruser 44mb syquest drive. With 3 cartridges. > *$300 obo > > Meh. Bet a few of you are kicking yourselves for not > seeing that one. ;) Apparently the new OS and chip, > used with a Syquest drive, cut load/save times in > half! > > If anyone can tell me anything more about Tonegenics / > Tone Genics and their products, I'd be really > interested to hear from you. Steve Schow, your name > showed up in a "tone genics" search - it spotted a > reference you made to it in an sgroup post back in 94. > Do you know anything about it other than what you > posted? > > Also, if anybody would like to donate/sell me the > dongle to go on the mouse port when using the SYS-553 > sequencer for the S-550, so I can take a look at it > and perhaps figure out how to make more, I'd really > appreciate it - you can contact me directly. > Alternatively, if one of the more technically-minded > sgroupers owns one and would like to have a look, that > would be just as great. I'm really surprised that > nobody seems to have looked into this sort of thing > before - all the netsearching I've done on the topic > has turned up nothing. If we can reverse-engineer the > dongle and figure out how to create more, the > sequencer package instantly becomes available and > accessible to everybody. I don't see any point in > maintaining the obscurity of gear like this in order > to maintain the existence of some kind of S-550 > elite... ;) > > Anyway, more to follow. I think we can do this, > seriously. > > -gareth > > > --- Gaffa wrote: > > > > Would this work for an S-50 as well?? > > If so, I'd be interested. I'm so bummed that I > > didn't by all of the accessories for my S-50 when > > they were available. SCSI, pen tablet etc. In > > the last year my band has added a lot of looping > > sequences which has caused be to rediscover my S-50. > > I'd forgotten just how easy and convenient it was to > > use. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 07:29:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:29:17 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:29:11 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:29:05 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:29:05 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: AW: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:29:05 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9845@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Progress! HD5-IF schematics/manual found! Thread-Index: AcITlXwYJiOgHZc6QEmbquOXKg9QcAAAVmHA From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Steve Schow" , "gareth davies" , "sgroup" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 11:29:05.0349 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0E31750:01C21396] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo! >The Syquest drives are also reported to be noisy. Though they do work. Yes, they work but with the standard interface and software with some minor problems. I can only format with a quite old system software = version. After formatting I can work normally. But I disconnected the Syquest drives due to the noise.... No I am using an external SCSI-ZIP100-drive. >It sounds to me like the best bet is Zip drives. However you now have = me >wondering if Peter is using a 3rd party SCSI interface that is able to = read >zip disks.. Peter? No I have an original Roland HD5-IF and only the original system = software versions HD V1.03 and CD5 V1.00 I think maybe V1.02... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 07:58:42 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:58:34 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl ([194.151.104.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:58:28 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:57:06 +0200 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message From: To: Subject: RE: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:57:06 -0400 Message-ID: <176a101c2139a$9aac7540$d16897c2@hetnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Thread-Index: AcITmpqs7wOrGn+HEdaX8ABQi7AS7A== Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Just some misc. on Zip-100 drives: I have another sampler which can use the Zip-100 well and another for = which the Zip works but has some 'issues'. I don't know in which category the S-550 falls, but it might be good to know at least, especially for the people who are about to invest money & effort in building SCSI-interfaces. OK, here goes: Zip-100 works OK with the Akai S-2000 but is of somewhat = less use for the Peavey DPM-SP, this because of the 15 min auto-sleep 'feature'. = of the Zip. The Akai can awake the Zip, the Peavey can't. Likely the S-550 can't = either. As I understood it, the autosleep can't be disabled when used apart from = a computer. So for the Peavey from then you're done with the Zip, you need to = reboot. This is of course not an issue if you simply load your stuff after = booting and then have no need to alter it or need subsequent loading of sounds. But = forget additional saving & loading to/from the Zip-100 after the thing has gone = asleep. Second and final issue is the dreaded/hyped ? 'COD': Click Of Death. = This has to do with reliability of Zip-drives and is documented/described in = great detail elsewhere on the web.=20 That's it. Perhaps of use, perhaps only rumours. I haven't tried my Zip-100 yet with my S-550, will give it a try some = day. Bye, Peter The Netherlands - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 08:16:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:16:46 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:16:41 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:16:34 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:16:31 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:16:31 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9848@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Thread-Index: AcITmpqs7wOrGn+HEdaX8ABQi7AS7AAAtfGg From: "Ullrich Peter" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 12:16:31.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[5196DD70:01C2139D] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >Just some misc. on Zip-100 drives: >OK, here goes: Zip-100 works OK with the Akai S-2000=20 >but is of somewhat less use for the Peavey DPM-SP,=20 >this because of the 15 min auto-sleep 'feature'. of=20 >the Zip. The Akai can awake the Zip, the Peavey can't.=20 >Likely the S-550 can't either. >As I understood it, the autosleep can't be disabled=20 >when used apart from a computer. But you have the function "HD RESTART" in the DISK MENU=20 of the S550! Sometimes you need to restart at the beginning too...=20 but thats no problem for me as long as there is the=20 command available... >Second and final issue is the dreaded/hyped ? 'COD':=20 >Click Of Death. This has to do with reliability of=20 >Zip-drives and is documented/described in great detail >elsewhere on the web.=20 I have about 7 or 8 zip drives in use with different=20 computers and instruments and had no problems with it -=20 but I have read the webpage about it and tested some disks with the free testing program. Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 08:20:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:20:15 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3144>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:20:05 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:19:57 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:19:57 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: sgroup Click of death info site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:19:57 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9849@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Click of death info site Thread-Index: AcITnmBppgLlRI+0Q5Cruu1fyU0ooQ== From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "SGROUP" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 12:19:57.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC45B9B0:01C2139D] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Here is the information about COD (click of death) for the ZIP drives: http://grc.com/tip/clickdeath.htm Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 10:33:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:32:54 -0400 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:32:48 -0400 Received: from user-2ive0i5.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.2.69] helo=mindspring.com) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Is7x-0007bG-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3D09FEC0.4D34797E@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:33:36 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "P. Vermeeren" , Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... References: <20020613165115.37661.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> <008601c2130e$4f49c620$579c4bd5@ptr> <001101c2130e$3da441c0$6401a8c0@midiman> <002901c21339$cedf4ec0$41f04bd5@ptr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > I agree on the 550/50-lib, sounds good - although I'm not that overwhelmed > by > the brass-sounds. Brass/horms sounds a bit cheap imho. There were some pro series (I think) brass samples in the S-550 library that I thought sounded very good. I used to use those trumpet and sax samples on my R&B-type songs and they sounded pretty darn good, (although the trumpet loops were weak). I can look and find out exactly which ones they were if anyone's interested. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 13:11:04 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:11:02 -0400 Received: from relay-2.m.channel4.co.uk ([216.239.208.98]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:10:47 -0400 Received: from fw-1 (fw-qfe3.channel4.co.uk [216.239.208.110]) by relay-2.m.channel4.co.uk (OBJL-MAIL-2.3-CTL) with SMTP for id RAA14342; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:09:36 GMT Received: from ([150.135.97.133]) by fw-1; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:08:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: by CAMOMILE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:10:38 -0000 Message-ID: <7F48CDC05EA8D511AE6F009027DCF3C424F479@HEMLOCK> From: Paul Boobyer To: "'sgroup@lists.uunet.ca'" Subject: sgroup s330 mouse port repair Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:10:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I recently bought an MU-1 mouse on Ebay and it doesn't work on my s330. I can't move the cursor and only the right button responds to clicks. People on this list have said that mouse port fuses can be blown by someone trying to use a non-Roland mouse. I think this must have happened on my sampler with a previous owner, as the guy who sold me the mouse tested it on an s550 and s760 and it worked fine. So my question is - does anybody know how much this costs to repair in the UK, and does anybody know of a Roland repair place in the London area. Also - does anybody know the part number. Muchos thanks Paul B Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 13:49:03 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:48:55 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:48:43 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D09CD140001B955; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:47:30 -0700 Message-ID: <029301c213cb$a4742880$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Ullrich Peter" , , References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9848@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: Re: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:47:50 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I think as long as you keep CDR backups of your zip disk images, you will be fine. Sooner or later your zip disks WILL fail. I had a lot of Jazz cartridges fail on me. Lots. I lost lots of data actually. Zip disks, however, are smaller and easier to backup. They are like extra large floppies. Probably more reliable than jazz drives too. Don't trust them any more than you would a floppy disk though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ullrich Peter" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) I have about 7 or 8 zip drives in use with different computers and instruments and had no problems with it - but I have read the webpage about it and tested some disks with the free testing program. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 14:12:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:12:45 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-3143>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:12:42 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D09CD140001D602; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:11:42 -0700 Message-ID: <02c401c213cf$05e35de0$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Jesse Segovia" , "P. Vermeeren" , "Sampler Group" References: <20020613165115.37661.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> <008601c2130e$4f49c620$579c4bd5@ptr> <001101c2130e$3da441c0$6401a8c0@midiman> <002901c21339$cedf4ec0$41f04bd5@ptr> <3D09FEC0.4D34797E@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:12:03 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I hear ya... The S-550 is only 30k sampling...so anything with lots of high frequencies....such as brass overtunes...are going to get lost.. I personally didn't find the S-550 brass overly realistic either, however...For pop stuff...lots of great and useable sounds in there that sit good in a mix. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Segovia" To: "P. Vermeeren" ; "Sampler Group" Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... > "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > > I agree on the 550/50-lib, sounds good - although I'm not that overwhelmed > > by > > the brass-sounds. Brass/horms sounds a bit cheap imho. > > There were some pro series (I think) brass samples in the S-550 library > that I thought sounded very good. I used to use those trumpet and sax > samples on my R&B-type songs and they sounded pretty darn good, > (although the trumpet loops were weak). > > I can look and find out exactly which ones they were if anyone's > interested. > > Jesse > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 14:45:03 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:44:55 -0400 Received: from web20809.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.198]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-13608>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:44:50 -0400 Message-ID: <20020614184443.70786.qmail@web20809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.181.66.46] by web20809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:44:43 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:44:43 -0400 From: Drum Programmer To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks to the one person out of all the people on here who responded to my query with the S330. I see this forum is a real helpful place.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 15:10:12 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:10:03 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:09:53 -0400 Received: from guysmiley.blarg.net (guysmiley.blarg.net [206.124.128.3]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E2C7237EAD for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3D0A3F7B.000001.26510@guysmiley.blarg.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:09:47 -0400 From: blincoln To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Re: [No subject specified] X-Mailer: Blarg's WebMail v3.0.1 X-Info: http://www.blarg.net/ X-Contact-Info: support@blarg.net X-CCCUser: blincoln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Drum Programmer wrote: > Thanks to the one person out of all the people on here > who responded to my query with the S330. I see this > forum is a real helpful place.. If you email me your credit card #, I'd be happy to send you a full refund of your membership fee... =) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 15:35:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:35:47 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net090s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:35:41 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.142]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:34:15 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c213db$9487f9a0$8ef14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Paul Boobyer" , References: <7F48CDC05EA8D511AE6F009027DCF3C424F479@HEMLOCK> Subject: Re: sgroup s330 mouse port repair Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:42:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Are you sure that you 'initialized' correctly on the S-330 ? As you'll know you have to tell it that it's going to see a mouse at its port. Admittedly a small chance this will solve it, but you never know. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Boobyer To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: sgroup s330 mouse port repair > I recently bought an MU-1 mouse on Ebay and it doesn't work on my s330. I > can't move the cursor and only the right button responds to clicks. People > on this list have said that mouse port fuses can be blown by someone trying > to use a non-Roland mouse. I think this must have happened on my sampler > with a previous owner, as the guy who sold me the mouse tested it on an s550 > and s760 and it worked fine. > > So my question is - does anybody know how much this costs to repair in the > UK, and does anybody know of a Roland repair place in the London area. Also > - does anybody know the part number. > > Muchos thanks > > Paul B > > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically > stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error, please notify > postmaster@channel4.co.uk > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 15:40:17 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:40:12 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:39:57 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.142]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: <002f01c213dc$302291e0$8ef14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Jesse Segovia" , "Sampler Group" References: <20020613165115.37661.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> <008601c2130e$4f49c620$579c4bd5@ptr> <001101c2130e$3da441c0$6401a8c0@midiman> <002901c21339$cedf4ec0$41f04bd5@ptr> <3D09FEC0.4D34797E@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:46:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, > I can look and find out exactly which ones they were if anyone's > interested. Sure, please tell ! I must admit I did only audition the disks, and haven't really 'worked' them (didn't work very hard yet at sequencing nice things with these sounds). Thanks / Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: P. Vermeeren ; Sampler Group Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... > "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > > I agree on the 550/50-lib, sounds good - although I'm not that overwhelmed > > by > > the brass-sounds. Brass/horms sounds a bit cheap imho. > > There were some pro series (I think) brass samples in the S-550 library > that I thought sounded very good. I used to use those trumpet and sax > samples on my R&B-type songs and they sounded pretty darn good, > (although the trumpet loops were weak). > > I can look and find out exactly which ones they were if anyone's > interested. > > Jesse > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 15:56:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:56:33 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:56:30 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.142]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:55:10 +0200 Message-ID: <004801c213de$80658700$8ef14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <3D0A3F7B.000001.26510@guysmiley.blarg.net> Subject: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:03:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Just found a DT-100 Digitizer Tablet and before I dare to connect it to my S-550 I checked the little info I got about the DT-100. What I found: * There should be a pen connected with a wire to the DT-100 ! (at least there's one depicted at http://junior.apk.net/~tofu/pix/dt100.jpg ) Mine hasn't got one, I thought the hole at the back was to store a pen Am I finished with this thing now ? I have some hope left: a websearch gave a page that wasn't displayable but mentioned this in the google-abstract: "INXI - keyboard > Acessories for Roland S-50 ... sequencer. I also include a Roland DT-100 Digitizer tablet in good condition but without the pen (can use any regular notepad pen). This ... " Is it true about the notepad pen ? And sorry, what's a regular notepad pen ? Any stick with a wire ? * Last but least: both my S-330 & S-550 manuals don't mention anything about the DT-100, so obviously it's of a later time. From which operating systems is the DT-100 supported ? I hope there's someone among you who has a DT-100 and can shed some more light on the above. Bye / thanks, Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 16:13:17 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:13:09 -0400 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.157]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:12:59 -0400 Received: from user-2ivf471.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.144.225] helo=opel) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17IxRD-0004eD-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:12:51 -0400 From: "Edward Raison" To: Subject: RE: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:13:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004801c213de$80658700$8ef14bd5@ptr> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello, I have a DT-100 that I use with my s-50. The orange button on the upper left side performs the same function as the orange button on the stylus pen, so that you can use any pen-like object to draw on the tablet, but you will have use the button on the tablet for click functions. It allows you to set loop points and re-draw waveforms (and probably more I have not discovered yet) when used with the s-50 in edit mode; I have not used an s-550, but it must do similar things. Hope that sheds some light, Ed -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of P. Vermeeren Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:03 PM To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Hi, Just found a DT-100 Digitizer Tablet and before I dare to connect it to my S-550 I checked the little info I got about the DT-100. What I found: * There should be a pen connected with a wire to the DT-100 ! (at least there's one depicted at http://junior.apk.net/~tofu/pix/dt100.jpg ) Mine hasn't got one, I thought the hole at the back was to store a pen Am I finished with this thing now ? I have some hope left: a websearch gave a page that wasn't displayable but mentioned this in the google-abstract: "INXI - keyboard > Acessories for Roland S-50 ... sequencer. I also include a Roland DT-100 Digitizer tablet in good condition but without the pen (can use any regular notepad pen). This ... " Is it true about the notepad pen ? And sorry, what's a regular notepad pen ? Any stick with a wire ? * Last but least: both my S-330 & S-550 manuals don't mention anything about the DT-100, so obviously it's of a later time. From which operating systems is the DT-100 supported ? I hope there's someone among you who has a DT-100 and can shed some more light on the above. Bye / thanks, Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 16:18:42 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13608>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:18:33 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.178]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13608>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:18:30 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:18:28 -0700 Received: from 200.46.143.98 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:18:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.46.143.98] From: "Carlos Ucar" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:18:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 20:18:28.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[A57B04A0:01C213E0] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk

This is quite interesting.  I've had 1 zip drive die on me and the second one will soon kick the bucket.   What programs do you recommend to keep CDR backups of my zip disk images?

Carlos Ucar

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>From: "Steve Schow"
>Reply-To: "Steve Schow"
>To: "Ullrich Peter" , ,
>Subject: Re: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW)
>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:47:50 -0400
>
>I think as long as you keep CDR backups of your zip disk images, you will be
>fine. Sooner or later your zip disks WILL fail. I had a lot of Jazz
>cartridges fail on me. Lots. I lost lots of data actually. Zip disks,
>however, are smaller and easier to backup. They are like extra large
>floppies. Probably more reliable than jazz drives too. Don't trust them
>any more than you would a floppy disk though.
>

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- Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 16:34:26 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:34:20 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:34:10 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.241.120]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:32:49 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c213e3$c2e3ad00$78f14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: Subject: Fw: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:40:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi again, Me again about the DT-100 Digitizer Tablet. As will be no surprise, I couldn't wait to try it out with my S-550, even despite the missing pen. It turned out that it works, connected viia the RC-100 to the S-550 and using the CD-5 system disk (SYS-556). Only tried this OS-version BTW. No need for a pen, just moving your finger on the surface is enough. It seems that the orange upper-left button doubles as the left-mouse button. The aluminium clip is still puzzling me a bit, I guess it's to hold paper on the surface to be able to re-create waveforms perhaps ? Please correct me if I understood this incorrectly. As you'll understand I'm now more than interested to find out all what could be done with the DT-100. OK, waveform drawing, a replacement for the mouse (absolute position). Anything else ? Some tricks now possible ? I saw in the sgroup archive someone mentioning some DT-100 info, I'll contact him. FWIW, I've copied it here below. Bye, Peter +++++++++ >To: sgroup Subject: [Fwd: RE: sgroup FS:(?) DT-100 Digitizer Tablet] From: "Jim Harris" To: "Pierre-Julien Grizel" Subject: RE: sgroup FS:(?) DT-100 Digitizer Tablet Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:25:44 -0000 definately works with s50 as I have one myself- fantastically lo-fi/old skool/vintage and actually quite useful! I have a few pages of instructions if anyone needs it jim +++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: P. Vermeeren To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested > Hi, > > Just found a DT-100 Digitizer Tablet and before I dare to connect it to my > S-550 I checked the little info I got about the DT-100. > > > > What I found: > > * > There should be a pen connected with a wire to the DT-100 ! > (at least there's one depicted at > http://junior.apk.net/~tofu/pix/dt100.jpg ) > Mine hasn't got one, I thought the hole at the back was to store a pen > > Am I finished with this thing now ? > I have some hope left: > a websearch gave a page that wasn't displayable but mentioned this in the > google-abstract: > "INXI - keyboard > Acessories for Roland S-50 > ... sequencer. I also include a Roland DT-100 Digitizer tablet in good > condition > but without the pen (can use any regular notepad pen). This ... " > > Is it true about the notepad pen ? And sorry, what's a regular notepad pen ? > Any stick with a wire ? > > * > Last but least: both my S-330 & S-550 manuals don't mention anything about > the DT-100, > so obviously it's of a later time. From which operating systems is the > DT-100 supported ? > > > I hope there's someone among you who has a DT-100 and can shed some more > light on the above. > > > Bye / thanks, > > Peter > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 17:53:05 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:52:57 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:52:54 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:52:45 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:52:44 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:52:44 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B984F@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Thread-Index: AcIT4um3Lff2s1PgQG2BLZ3QFe+MFgACoF+u From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "P. Vermeeren " , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 21:52:45.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0D03C80:01C213ED] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >As will be no surprise, I couldn't wait to try it out with my S-550, >even despite the missing pen. > >It turned out that it works, connected viia the RC-100 to the S-550 and >using the CD-5 system disk (SYS-556). Only tried this OS-version BTW. Interesting that also teh S-550 supports this tool. >No need for a pen, just moving your finger on the surface is enough. I thought of this as that time these Tablets were made with resistive = foils. You connect the foils by a little pressure and the X and Y resistance gives = the position. The DT-100 looks exactly like the Philips Tablet (I found a picture on = the net) - so maybe Philips produced an OEM version for Roland... 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From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 18:13:05 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13608>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:12:59 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13608>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:12:48 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:12:45 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:12:45 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: sgroup Director-S dongle "striptease" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:12:45 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9852@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Thread-Index: AcIT4um3Lff2s1PgQG2BLZ3QFe+MFgACoF+uAACzLcQ= From: "Ullrich Peter" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 22:12:45.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C3F0610:01C213F0] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! This evening I disassembled my Director-S Dongle and=20 made a schematic. The problem is that there is a SMD-circuit=20 with 8 pins in it without a marking code (rubbed away *Grrrrr*). I will try to find out which part it could be. I think it could be a serial EEPROM with SPI-interface... I haven't done an electrical interface analysis with my logic=20 analyzer as my time is very limited. Maybe I find some time in=20 the next few weeks... But I made photos of it. Maybe I will make a little webpage next weeks to show you what's it all about... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. 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From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 19:44:21 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:44:14 -0400 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-579>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:44:04 -0400 Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.113.12fa1fcd (4402) for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: DAJA300@aol.com Message-ID: <113.12fa1fcd.2a3bd9bc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:43:56 -0400 Subject: sgroup Roland S760 Sale To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Roland S-760 for sale $690.00 With Atari SC1224 no mouse or manual Email dave: daja300@aol.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 14 20:52:05 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-17199>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:51:56 -0400 Received: from web20802.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.191]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-17199>; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:51:50 -0400 Message-ID: <20020615005148.74877.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.183.212.49] by web20802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:51:48 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:51:48 -0400 From: Drum Programmer Subject: Re: sgroup Re: [No subject specified] To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <3D0A3F7B.000001.26510@guysmiley.blarg.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --- blincoln wrote: > > If you email me your credit card #, I'd be happy to > send you a full > refund of your membership fee... Ha ha ha ha.. funny, you have a unique sense of wit.. Anyway, to the guy from london who wanted details of a repair centre in the capital, check out this company I don't know what his charges/turnover are like but it's a lead to start from -; http://home.clara.net/dragonser/ Also, have you tried contacting Wayne Davies at Roland UK tech support dept and running the problem by him to see what he suggests? wayne.davies@roland.co.uk Good luck Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 15 00:33:33 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-28108>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:33:25 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-28108>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:33:22 -0400 Received: from maridia.blarg.net (vq122.atm01.sea.blarg.net [206.124.140.122]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBC637E57 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020614212909.00bc2c08@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:33:14 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Re: [No subject specified] In-Reply-To: <20020615005148.74877.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D0A3F7B.000001.26510@guysmiley.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 05:51 PM 6/14/2002, Drum Programmer wrote: >Ha ha ha ha.. funny, you have a unique sense of wit.. I figure it's better to make a cliched joke than be a total jerk and say outright "this is a forum of users, not a paid tech support line." - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 15 04:26:58 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:26:49 -0400 Received: from web13804.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.14]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: <20020615082641.9005.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.83.161] by web13804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:26:41 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:26:41 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: Re: sgroup Director-S dongle "striptease" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9852@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Big thanks to Peter for starting this process... If anybody else has a dongle/time/skills and they feel like checking out what that IC is, I'm sure that'd help. :) This raises the question though - I somehow have the impression that the sequencer packages for the S330 and S550, while both called Director-S, are different - the S330 Director-S part number was SYS-333, while the S550 sequencer was part number SYS-553. Can anybody confirm or deny this? If the sequencers are different, it seems likely that the dongles themselves are also different... Meaning Peter's work is definitely relevant to S330 owners, but not S550 owners. Any thoughts on this? I haven't seen either sequencer, or either dongle... So I can't really judge. Just thought it'd be worth checking. Given that the software and hardware are different, it would make sense for the dongle to be different too - although this isn't necessarily the case. -Gareth --- Ullrich Peter wrote: > Hi! > > This evening I disassembled my Director-S Dongle and > > made a schematic. The problem is that there is a > SMD-circuit > with 8 pins in it without a marking code (rubbed > away *Grrrrr*). > I will try to find out which part it could be. I > think it could be > a serial EEPROM with SPI-interface... > > I haven't done an electrical interface analysis with > my logic > analyzer as my time is very limited. Maybe I find > some time in > the next few weeks... > > But I made photos of it. Maybe I will make a little > webpage > next weeks to show you what's it all about... > > Ciao > Peter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 15 10:15:07 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:14:58 -0400 Received: from web20801.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.226.190]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:14:52 -0400 Message-ID: <20020615141449.84150.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.181.242.73] by web20801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:14:49 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:14:49 -0400 From: Drum Programmer Subject: Re: sgroup Re: [No subject specified] To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020614212909.00bc2c08@mail.blarg.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk My my, arrogant and presumptions, I was expressing my disappointment at the lack of response from other users who surely must be more experienced with the 330 than a novice like myself and you've rather strangely taken this whole matter upon your mighty shoulders to chastise me! If you can't help then fine, but don't berate me with your pompous self You seem to have a lot of time on your hands (methinks too much) to pick a faceless argument on the Internet, I don't know if this is indicative of a general indaquacy in your personal life, but spare me as care not for your neuroses. There is a multitude of shrinks who will sit and listen to your all too evident childhood angst. Get yourself a girlfriend and begone... --- Ben Lincoln wrote: > At 05:51 PM 6/14/2002, Drum Programmer wrote: > > >Ha ha ha ha.. funny, you have a unique sense of > wit.. > > I figure it's better to make a cliched joke than be > a total jerk and say > outright "this > is a forum of users, not a paid tech support line." > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to > majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for > more information. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 15 10:25:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-28108>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:25:24 -0400 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com ([65.24.0.112]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-28108>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:25:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (grv230021.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.21]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5FEPDv16416 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:24:00 -0400 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10664261733.20020615102400@columbus.rr.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Exchanging wit, oh yes, and info In-Reply-To: <20020615141449.84150.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020615141449.84150.qmail@web20801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I was prepared to help out. But before I could you basically slammed all of the people who could help. I'm sorry I'm not on a quicker turn around time. Many times I've had to post repeatedly to get a response. I don't get upset. That isn't constructive. I just keep trying. A little patience goes a long way. Afterall, you may still need these folks in the future. ---------------------------------------------------- Saturday, June 15, 2002, 10:14:49 AM, you wrote: DP> My my, arrogant and presumptions, I was expressing my DP> disappointment at the lack of response from other DP> users who surely must be more experienced with the 330 DP> than a novice like myself and you've rather strangely DP> taken this whole matter upon your mighty shoulders to DP> chastise me! If you can't help then fine, but don't DP> berate me with your pompous self Len "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead (Change starts here: http://www.ishmael.com/origins/Ishmael/) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 15 10:29:08 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-28108>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:29:01 -0400 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com ([65.24.0.112]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:28:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (grv230021.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.21]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5FEShv19699 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 10:27:30 -0400 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6964471985.20020615102730@columbus.rr.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Dongle In-Reply-To: <20020615082641.9005.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020615082641.9005.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Has anyone tried asking Roland? Since they no longer make the product why would they care? It would only keep the community of users happy with the company. I've managed to hang on to mine for 12 years. That hasn't been easy. Many a time I've wrecked my place looking for that darn thing. ------------------------------------------------------ Saturday, June 15, 2002, 4:26:41 AM, you wrote: gd> Big thanks to Peter for starting this process... If gd> anybody else has a dongle/time/skills and they feel gd> like checking out what that IC is, I'm sure that'd gd> help. :) Len "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead (Change starts here: http://www.ishmael.com/origins/Ishmael/) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 15 17:21:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:21:30 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:21:27 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:21:22 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:21:22 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup Director-S dongle "striptease" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:21:22 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9856@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Director-S dongle "striptease" Thread-Index: AcIURnM3JAp8ho3iQz+bw5SbtXXcngAa2Zur From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "gareth davies " , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2002 21:21:22.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[991F3A50:01C214B2] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >Big thanks to Peter for starting this process... =20 Thanx for the Roses :-) >If anybody else has a dongle/time/skills and they feel >like checking out what that IC is, I'm sure that'd >help. :) If there are any ideas please send them to me! >This raises the question though - I somehow have the >impression that the sequencer packages for the S330 >and S550, while both called Director-S, are different >- the S330 Director-S part number was SYS-333, while >the S550 sequencer was part number SYS-553. Can >anybody confirm or deny this? If the sequencers are >different, it seems likely that the dongles themselves >are also different... Meaning Peter's work is >definitely relevant to S330 owners, but not S550 >owners. You are right! I never used the sequencer so I didn't knew this. The manual is for both packages but on the dongle I have the SYS-553 marking and I have the S-550 disk set (3 disks: A,B,C). I haven't tried the sequencer on one of my S-330 samplers=20 only once on one of my S-550 samplers. As my S-330 samplers are packed = in the cellar I have no chance in the next few weeks to dig them out as I renovate my house... But if anyone has the Sequencer disk images for the S-330 version called SYS-333 you could send it to me and I could check it out some time if = the same dongle works with the S-330 version too! Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 15 18:05:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:05:14 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:05:08 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:05:03 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:05:03 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup Director-S dongle "striptease" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:05:03 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9859@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Director-S dongle "striptease" Thread-Index: AcIURnM3JAp8ho3iQz+bw5SbtXXcngAa2ZurAAGgiRo= From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "gareth davies " , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2002 22:05:03.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3765590:01C214B8] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! I found information about the third version of Director-S: for the S-550: SYS-553 for the S-330: SYS-333 for the S-50: SYS-503 I found the info here: http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/S-50-01.html Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 15 21:32:33 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:32:27 -0400 Received: from slc02.smtp.stsn.com ([12.23.74.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193717-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:32:16 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([10.1.31.2]) by slc02.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:31:27 -0600 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5FLSwb28319 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:28:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-28108>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:33:37 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-26-178.tnt2.me2.uunet.de [149.225.26.178]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id SAA00449 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:33:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D0B143A.42DB2831@cityweb.de> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:17:32 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9848@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 01:31:27.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[88CC11A0:01C214D5] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ullrich Peter wrote: > >As I understood it, the autosleep can't be disabled > >when used apart from a computer. > > But you have the function "HD RESTART" in the DISK MENU > of the S550! Can't you wake it up just by removing the media (pushing the button on the ZIP) and re-inserting it? > I have about 7 or 8 zip drives in use with different > computers and instruments and had no problems with it - > but I have read the webpage about it and tested some > disks with the free testing program. I have used a ZIP drive with my S-760 for several years. I even dropped the rack with it once. It works fine ever since. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 15 21:32:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193718-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:32:26 -0400 Received: from slc02.smtp.stsn.com ([12.23.74.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-28109>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:32:16 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([10.1.31.2]) by slc02.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:31:26 -0600 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5FLSMK28032 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:28:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-28108>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:33:46 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-26-178.tnt2.me2.uunet.de [149.225.26.178]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id SAA00588 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:33:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D0B6B19.3727FDFC@cityweb.de> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:28:14 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... References: <20020613165115.37661.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 01:31:26.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[885C11C0:01C214D5] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk 'Ace' Yates wrote: > > - can only truncate 'segments' of samples That's true, but if you're using very short samples and want to make use of the memory, there's a workaround: Pack two or more samples into one (or even more) segment(s), one after the other, and address the single samples by using subtones. Roland themselves did this on a "Latin Percussion" sample disk. The subtones aren't even included on that disk, perhaps because this was for the S-50, but can easily be generated. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 07:21:16 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:09 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:02 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.6]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:19:42 +0200 Message-ID: <01a201c21528$d65eb000$069d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9848@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> <029301c213cb$a4742880$6401a8c0@midiman> Subject: Zip reliability Re: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:38:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, According to an article I read about backing-up-your data the Jaz-thing was stopped among others because of reliability problems. Combine that with the COD-thing for Zips and you get a hell of an impression about Iomega ! :-) OK, please don't take that too serious, I'm not after starting some Iomega flaming debate. And I do like their CDRWs though... Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Schow To: Ullrich Peter ; ; Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) > I think as long as you keep CDR backups of your zip disk images, you will be > fine. Sooner or later your zip disks WILL fail. I had a lot of Jazz > cartridges fail on me. Lots. I lost lots of data actually. Zip disks, > however, are smaller and easier to backup. They are like extra large > floppies. Probably more reliable than jazz drives too. Don't trust them > any more than you would a floppy disk though. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ullrich Peter" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 5:16 AM > Subject: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) > > > I have about 7 or 8 zip drives in use with different > computers and instruments and had no problems with it - > but I have read the webpage about it and tested some > disks with the free testing program. > > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 07:21:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193719-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:08 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:01 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.6]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:19:39 +0200 Message-ID: <01a001c21528$d4f69480$069d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Ullrich Peter" , References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9848@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: Re: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:25:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello Peter, Zip goes asleep: You're right, I was too quick to assume that since the Roland was older than the Peavey sampler the Roland would have the same problems to awake the Zip. Nice, thanks for remembering this command ! COD: I'm not really losing much sleep about this either and haven't had problems so far either. It makes me want to have a backup though, on a different kind of media (so that's floppies for the S-550). Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ullrich Peter To: ; Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Hi! >Just some misc. on Zip-100 drives: >OK, here goes: Zip-100 works OK with the Akai S-2000 >but is of somewhat less use for the Peavey DPM-SP, >this because of the 15 min auto-sleep 'feature'. of >the Zip. The Akai can awake the Zip, the Peavey can't. >Likely the S-550 can't either. >As I understood it, the autosleep can't be disabled >when used apart from a computer. But you have the function "HD RESTART" in the DISK MENU of the S550! Sometimes you need to restart at the beginning too... but thats no problem for me as long as there is the command available... >Second and final issue is the dreaded/hyped ? 'COD': >Click Of Death. This has to do with reliability of >Zip-drives and is documented/described in great detail >elsewhere on the web. I have about 7 or 8 zip drives in use with different computers and instruments and had no problems with it - but I have read the webpage about it and tested some disks with the free testing program. Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 07:21:36 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:25 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193720-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:10 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.6]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:19:49 +0200 Message-ID: <01a801c21528$daf416a0$069d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Ullrich Peter" , "gareth davies " , References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9856@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: Re: sgroup Director-S dongle "striptease" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:17:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I have both versions but for both S-330 and S-550 I only got one disk (each). It's only now that I hear these were three disk sets each. Let me know if you want me to send some zips. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ullrich Peter To: gareth davies ; Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: RE: sgroup Director-S dongle "striptease" Hi! >Big thanks to Peter for starting this process... Thanx for the Roses :-) >If anybody else has a dongle/time/skills and they feel >like checking out what that IC is, I'm sure that'd >help. :) If there are any ideas please send them to me! >This raises the question though - I somehow have the >impression that the sequencer packages for the S330 >and S550, while both called Director-S, are different >- the S330 Director-S part number was SYS-333, while >the S550 sequencer was part number SYS-553. Can >anybody confirm or deny this? If the sequencers are >different, it seems likely that the dongles themselves >are also different... Meaning Peter's work is >definitely relevant to S330 owners, but not S550 >owners. You are right! I never used the sequencer so I didn't knew this. The manual is for both packages but on the dongle I have the SYS-553 marking and I have the S-550 disk set (3 disks: A,B,C). I haven't tried the sequencer on one of my S-330 samplers only once on one of my S-550 samplers. As my S-330 samplers are packed in the cellar I have no chance in the next few weeks to dig them out as I renovate my house... But if anyone has the Sequencer disk images for the S-330 version called SYS-333 you could send it to me and I could check it out some time if the same dongle works with the S-330 version too! Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 07:21:53 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:32 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193717-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:06 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.6]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:19:43 +0200 Message-ID: <01a301c21528$d71ef2c0$069d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Steve Schow" , "Jesse Segovia" , "Sampler Group" References: <20020613165115.37661.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> <008601c2130e$4f49c620$579c4bd5@ptr> <001101c2130e$3da441c0$6401a8c0@midiman> <002901c21339$cedf4ec0$41f04bd5@ptr> <3D09FEC0.4D34797E@mindspring.com> <02c401c213cf$05e35de0$6401a8c0@midiman> Subject: brass sounds/programming / Re: sgroup s-550 comments... Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:47:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, You could have a point there, 30k will give less than 15k bandwidth. In addition: When I listen to (imho) nice rocking brass performances I sometimes get a bit, hmm, I get the feeling - phew, how to mimic that with samples ?!? I guess a lot is also in all the expression-possibilities brass players have available. Especially the more 'weirdo' using of brass seems quite far away from those disks. I'm talking for instance about those old 'powerbrass' mambo-things of Perez Prado and Esquivel-stuff. I guess especially for sounds like this it becomes clear that I myself have still a lot to learn in the programming/expression-dept. I figure lots of people will simply use pre-recorded phrases (stabs, swells) from sample-CDs. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Schow To: Jesse Segovia ; P. Vermeeren ; Sampler Group Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... > I hear ya... The S-550 is only 30k sampling...so anything with lots of high > frequencies....such as brass overtunes...are going to get lost.. I > personally didn't find the S-550 brass overly realistic either, > however...For pop stuff...lots of great and useable sounds in there that sit > good in a mix. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jesse Segovia" > To: "P. Vermeeren" ; "Sampler Group" > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 comments... > > > > "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > > > I agree on the 550/50-lib, sounds good - although I'm not that > overwhelmed > > > by > > > the brass-sounds. Brass/horms sounds a bit cheap imho. > > > > There were some pro series (I think) brass samples in the S-550 library > > that I thought sounded very good. I used to use those trumpet and sax > > samples on my R&B-type songs and they sounded pretty darn good, > > (although the trumpet loops were weak). > > > > I can look and find out exactly which ones they were if anyone's > > interested. > > > > Jesse > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 07:21:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:33 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193721-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:13 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.6]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:19:44 +0200 Message-ID: <01a401c21528$d7e0bc20$069d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Edward Raison" , References: Subject: Re: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:50:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Thanks for the info ! I only got around to replying now, but sending my first question on friday night and receiving an answer just say half an hour later gives me the impression this is a very nice and responsive group ! (I just subscribed, but this is at least my impression so far). DT-100 OK so far, thanks again, Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Raison To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: RE: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested > Hello, > I have a DT-100 that I use with my s-50. The orange button on the upper > left side performs the same function as the orange button on the stylus pen, > so that you can use any pen-like object to draw on the tablet, but you will > have use the button on the tablet for click functions. > It allows you to set loop points and re-draw waveforms (and probably more I > have not discovered yet) when used with the s-50 in edit mode; I have not > used an s-550, but it must do similar things. > Hope that sheds some light, > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On > Behalf Of P. Vermeeren > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:03 PM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested > > > Hi, > > Just found a DT-100 Digitizer Tablet and before I dare to connect it to my > S-550 I checked the little info I got about the DT-100. > > > > What I found: > > * > There should be a pen connected with a wire to the DT-100 ! > (at least there's one depicted at > http://junior.apk.net/~tofu/pix/dt100.jpg ) > Mine hasn't got one, I thought the hole at the back was to store a pen > > Am I finished with this thing now ? > I have some hope left: > a websearch gave a page that wasn't displayable but mentioned this in the > google-abstract: > "INXI - keyboard > Acessories for Roland S-50 > ... sequencer. I also include a Roland DT-100 Digitizer tablet in good > condition > but without the pen (can use any regular notepad pen). This ... " > > Is it true about the notepad pen ? And sorry, what's a regular notepad pen ? > Any stick with a wire ? > > * > Last but least: both my S-330 & S-550 manuals don't mention anything about > the DT-100, > so obviously it's of a later time. From which operating systems is the > DT-100 supported ? > > > I hope there's someone among you who has a DT-100 and can shed some more > light on the above. > > > Bye / thanks, > > Peter > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 07:21:58 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193738-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:39 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:16 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.6]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:19:51 +0200 Message-ID: <01a901c21528$dbc52240$069d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Ingo Debus" , References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9848@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> <3D0B143A.42DB2831@cityweb.de> Subject: FWIW: Re: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:23:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, > Ullrich Peter wrote: > > >As I understood it, the autosleep can't be disabled > > >when used apart from a computer. > > > > But you have the function "HD RESTART" in the DISK MENU > > of the S550! > > Can't you wake it up just by removing the media (pushing the button on > the ZIP) and re-inserting it? I haven't tried the Zip with my S-550 yet, but for the Peavey DPM-SP the situation was like this (if I remember it correctly, which i doubt a bit...): Once the Zip has gone asleep it won't listen to eject-requests anymore. So better to load and eject the disk directly. I forgot if it was possible to insert & load disks after the Zip has gone asleep (being empty). But OK, this all for the Peavey; for the Roland there's at least a way out because of the HD Rstart-command. I'm afraid I didn't really address your actual question :-) Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ingo Debus To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: Re: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) > > > Ullrich Peter wrote: > > >As I understood it, the autosleep can't be disabled > > >when used apart from a computer. > > > > But you have the function "HD RESTART" in the DISK MENU > > of the S550! > > Can't you wake it up just by removing the media (pushing the button on > the ZIP) and re-inserting it? > > > > I have about 7 or 8 zip drives in use with different > > computers and instruments and had no problems with it - > > but I have read the webpage about it and tested some > > disks with the free testing program. > > I have used a ZIP drive with my S-760 for several years. I even dropped > the rack with it once. It works fine ever since. > > Ingo > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 07:22:01 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193718-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:39 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:09 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.6]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:19:48 +0200 Message-ID: <01a701c21528$da2aac20$069d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Clay Leander" Cc: References: <001401c213e3$c2e3ad00$78f14bd5@ptr> <3D0A9BCA.FB7903E0@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Fw: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:12:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, First I tried the DT-100 with the RC-100 in between S-550 & DT-100. Works OK. I just tried the DT-100 directly and setting the S-550 up for 'external mouse control'. This doesn't seem to work at all unfortunately. And if it did, there would of course been no right-mouse equivalent. Are there people who can confirm this ? How's the situation on the S-50, do you need the RC-100 in between as well ? A bit of a strange situation I guess. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Clay Leander To: P. Vermeeren Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:43 AM Subject: Re: Fw: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested > I have one a DT-100 for my S-50; What do you think: perhaps I could use > it for my S550 as a temporary "replacement mouse"-? > > Clay Leander > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 07:22:03 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193719-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:27 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193718-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:21:06 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.6]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:19:46 +0200 Message-ID: <01a501c21528$d8aa26a0$069d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Ullrich Peter" , References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B984F@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: Re: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:59:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello, > Interesting that also teh S-550 supports this tool. It says somewhere, from OS version 2. I don't know which version/type they intended, so I simply tried the lastet OS I have for the S-550 (CD-5 1.00). It worked. > The DT-100 looks exactly like the Philips Tablet (I found a picture on the net) > - so maybe Philips produced an OEM version for Roland... Sounds like the Roland-Philips-connection was really going on back then. As said before, the Philips MSX-mouse and Rolands MU-1 seem to be identical apart from the colours). Where did you see the picture Philips-tablet ? I work for Philips, too bad they moved/closed/removed/purged/whatevertheyactuallydidtoit the internal archives for access some years ago - otherwise I could perhaps been of help by digging up service docs of the Philips versions of mouse & tablet. Hmm, I guess I could have better not said this, it might give some people some unspecified pains... Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ullrich Peter To: P. Vermeeren ; Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: RE: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Hi! >As will be no surprise, I couldn't wait to try it out with my S-550, >even despite the missing pen. > >It turned out that it works, connected viia the RC-100 to the S-550 and >using the CD-5 system disk (SYS-556). Only tried this OS-version BTW. Interesting that also teh S-550 supports this tool. >No need for a pen, just moving your finger on the surface is enough. I thought of this as that time these Tablets were made with resistive foils. You connect the foils by a little pressure and the X and Y resistance gives the position. The DT-100 looks exactly like the Philips Tablet (I found a picture on the net) - so maybe Philips produced an OEM version for Roland... Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 12:15:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:15:39 -0400 Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.18]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:15:36 -0400 Message-ID: <20020616161529.82334.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.132.83.161] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:15:29 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:15:29 -0400 From: gareth davies Subject: Re: sgroup Dongle To: Gaffa , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <6964471985.20020615102730@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk That's a point. Personally, I'd want to wait until I had other things to ask about before calling them again, since for me, calling Roland Australia means paying for an interstate phone call (they're in Sydney, I'm in Melbourne) - but maybe someone else could call and ask. Uh... This might be more successful in the U.S. or Europe, too. I think it's kind of unlikely that service notes exist just for the dongle (since as far as I know it doesn't have its own part number - might be wrong), but maybe Roland U.S. or Europe could direct whoever called them to somebody who knew the details of the IC. Just a thought. Roland Australia may also have copies of the SYS-xx3 sequencer packages available, so if anybody's desperate, that's an option. -Gareth --- Gaffa wrote: > > Has anyone tried asking Roland? Since they no > longer > make the product why would they care? It would only > keep the community of users happy with the company. > I've managed to hang on to mine for 12 years. That > hasn't been easy. Many a time I've wrecked my place > looking for that darn thing. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 12:49:26 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:49:17 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:49:11 -0400 Received: from user-2ivf471.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.144.225] helo=opel) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17JdD7-00024p-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:49:05 -0400 From: "Edward Raison" To: Subject: RE: Fw: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:49:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <01a701c21528$da2aac20$069d4bd5@ptr> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On the s-50 I can just plug it into the mouse port. I've never used a rc-100, but from pictures it looks like the layout of buttons and alpha dial on that unit is about the same as the controls on the panel of an s-50. -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of P. Vermeeren Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 7:12 AM To: Clay Leander Cc: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Fw: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Hi, First I tried the DT-100 with the RC-100 in between S-550 & DT-100. Works OK. I just tried the DT-100 directly and setting the S-550 up for 'external mouse control'. This doesn't seem to work at all unfortunately. And if it did, there would of course been no right-mouse equivalent. Are there people who can confirm this ? How's the situation on the S-50, do you need the RC-100 in between as well ? A bit of a strange situation I guess. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Clay Leander To: P. Vermeeren Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:43 AM Subject: Re: Fw: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested > I have one a DT-100 for my S-50; What do you think: perhaps I could use > it for my S550 as a temporary "replacement mouse"-? > > Clay Leander > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 14:53:01 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:52:52 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:52:48 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:52:43 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:52:43 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: sgroup Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B985B@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! Thread-Index: AcIVZv9APt4HSOAOT+yDbbgjxI8V9g== From: "Ullrich Peter" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 18:52:43.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF56C7C0:01C21566] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! I made photos and scans of my dongle research efforts! You can have a look at it at: http://home.pages.at/pullrich/director-s.htm Remember that there is only this direct link and no reference from my = old homepage at http://www.ullrich.at.tt!!! If anybody of you has the S-330 or the S-50 version of Director-S I = would be glad in getting disk images. I could check my S-550 dongle with one of = my S-330 samplers and would keep the S-50 version for my disk image collection. If you have an idea which type of chip is used in teh dongle please let = me know. I have never used the sequencer package as I work with Ataris and PCs... I am already thinking of selling the package... But lets wait... Maybe = we can find a solution for the dongle problem... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 15:15:02 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:14:54 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:14:48 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:14:46 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:14:46 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:14:45 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B985D@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Thread-Index: AcIVJ+eO6vn1v1F1QPCEWz08LxdHbwAQckY7 From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "P. Vermeeren " , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 19:14:46.0155 (UTC) FILETIME=[13BB3DB0:01C2156A] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >> Interesting that also teh S-550 supports this tool. > >It says somewhere, from OS version 2. I don't know which version/type >they intended, so I simply tried the lastet OS I have for the S-550 = (CD-5 >1.00). It worked. As you all work with CD5 V1.00 I think I should upload the newer version = V1.02 I got a few months ago... >> The DT-100 looks exactly like the Philips Tablet (I found a picture = on >the net) > - so maybe Philips produced an OEM version for Roland... > >Sounds like the Roland-Philips-connection was really going on back = then. >As said before, the Philips MSX-mouse and Rolands MU-1 seem to be >identical apart from the colours). > >Where did you see the picture Philips-tablet ? I think it was on Ebay. Maybe I can dig out the picture and put it on my = website so that everybody can have a look at it... >I work for Philips, too bad they >moved/closed/removed/purged/whatevertheyactuallydidtoit >the internal archives for access some years ago - otherwise I could >perhaps been of help by digging up service docs of the Philips versions = of >mouse & tablet. >Hmm, I guess I could have better not said this, it might give some = people >some unspecified pains... Really bad. I would be interested in the protocol between the gadgets... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. 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From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 15:42:59 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:42:54 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:42:39 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:42:34 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:42:34 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:42:34 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9860@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Thread-Index: AcIU1bfU+/14osr8TKSKi99PpMQz8wAmA7AH From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Ingo Debus " , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 19:42:34.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[F63E93F0:01C2156D] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo! >> >As I understood it, the autosleep can't be disabled >> >when used apart from a computer. >>=20 >> But you have the function "HD RESTART" in the DISK MENU >> of the S550! > >Can't you wake it up just by removing the media (pushing the button on >the ZIP) and re-inserting it? This is another method that works most of the time but sometimes the=20 motor is switched off right after inserting the disk... *strange* Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 16:10:18 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:10:10 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:10:04 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:10:01 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:10:00 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9861@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! Thread-Index: AcIVZv9APt4HSOAOT+yDbbgjxI8V9gACipdH From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Ullrich Peter" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 20:10:00.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB6BC2C0:01C21571] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi again! >I made photos and scans of my dongle research efforts! >You can have a look at it at: > >http://home.pages.at/pullrich/director-s.htm If you have already loaded the images please reload as Disks A and B had = the wrong images! Now they should be OK! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 16:11:42 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-21283>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:11:32 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13546>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:11:29 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:11:25 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:11:25 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: sgroup Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:11:25 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9862@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! Thread-Index: AcIVcf22Yc/jveUSSMuDMwCqiJslYg== From: "Ullrich Peter" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2002 20:11:25.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDDC82D0:01C21571] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi again! >I made photos and scans of my dongle research efforts! >You can have a look at it at: > >http://home.pages.at/pullrich/director-s.htm If you have already loaded the images please reload as Disks A and B had = the wrong images! Now they should be OK! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 19:24:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:24:24 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:24:18 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.244]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:22:55 +0200 Message-ID: <002b01c2158d$de42ffa0$f49d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Ullrich Peter" , References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B985D@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: Re: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:23:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, >> Interesting that also teh S-550 supports this tool. > >It says somewhere, from OS version 2. I don't know which version/type >they intended, so I simply tried the lastet OS I have for the S-550 (CD-5 >1.00). It worked. >As you all work with CD5 V1.00 I think I should upload the newer version V1.02 I >got a few months ago... I must say that I'm a bit overwhelmed with all the floppies Roland managed to generate. I mean, lots of system & utility disks etc, and now today I even learned from your info that instead of one disk for the sequencer they again made it three ! :-) Is there somewhere an overview of what the various versions of the sytem & utility disk had for updates/bugfixes etc ? At least for the S-330 the situation is clear, the 1998-document says that version 1.03 is the last version. For the S-550: latest I have is HD5-IF v 1.00 (Z6-S550-06 / sys-554) and CD-5 v 1.00 (SYS-CD5-6 / sys-556). For the CD-5 I didn't knew there was a version 1.02. So yes, would be nice to be able to use CD-5, v 1.02. Thanks. >>> The DT-100 looks exactly like the Philips Tablet ... >>Where did you see the picture Philips-tablet ? > I think it was on Ebay. Maybe I can dig out the picture and put it on my website > so that everybody can have a look at it... If you happen to find it again, OK, please. But please don't search too long, I was just curious. Was it also an MSX-add-on perhaps ? W.r.t. the possible Philips / Roland-'link': both my MU-1 & DT-100 I have say 'made in Japan' though, but I have no idea where Philips actually made its MSX-stuff. Likely not in Japan, perhaps 'here' (the Netherlands) or who knows, Austria (that's were the later :YES-computers were made I thought). OK, enough Roland-trivia ! :-) Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ullrich Peter To: P. Vermeeren ; Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: RE: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Tablet for S-550: some info requested Hi! >> Interesting that also teh S-550 supports this tool. > >It says somewhere, from OS version 2. I don't know which version/type >they intended, so I simply tried the lastet OS I have for the S-550 (CD-5 >1.00). It worked. As you all work with CD5 V1.00 I think I should upload the newer version V1.02 I got a few months ago... >> The DT-100 looks exactly like the Philips Tablet (I found a picture on >the net) > - so maybe Philips produced an OEM version for Roland... > >Sounds like the Roland-Philips-connection was really going on back then. >As said before, the Philips MSX-mouse and Rolands MU-1 seem to be >identical apart from the colours). > >Where did you see the picture Philips-tablet ? I think it was on Ebay. Maybe I can dig out the picture and put it on my website so that everybody can have a look at it... >I work for Philips, too bad they >moved/closed/removed/purged/whatevertheyactuallydidtoit >the internal archives for access some years ago - otherwise I could >perhaps been of help by digging up service docs of the Philips versions of >mouse & tablet. >Hmm, I guess I could have better not said this, it might give some people >some unspecified pains... Really bad. I would be interested in the protocol between the gadgets... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. 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From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 23:57:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26459>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:57:48 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26459>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:57:38 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5H3vZQ94600 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:57:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-21283>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:40:46 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.244]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:39:24 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c2157f$690413e0$f49d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Ullrich Peter" Cc: References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B985B@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Subject: Re: sgroup Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:47:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Peter, I'll send you a disk image of the S-330 version of Director-S tomorrow, have to dig it up. For now, I'm amazed by the pictures on your site (thanks for providing this info BTW): the dongle has no feed-thru ! I didn't know this so far and am amazed, what a bad idea to loose the mouse when you want to use the Director-S program (at least that's what it means, not ?) Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ullrich Peter To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 8:52 PM Subject: sgroup Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! Hi! I made photos and scans of my dongle research efforts! You can have a look at it at: http://home.pages.at/pullrich/director-s.htm Remember that there is only this direct link and no reference from my old homepage at http://www.ullrich.at.tt!!! If anybody of you has the S-330 or the S-50 version of Director-S I would be glad in getting disk images. I could check my S-550 dongle with one of my S-330 samplers and would keep the S-50 version for my disk image collection. If you have an idea which type of chip is used in teh dongle please let me know. I have never used the sequencer package as I work with Ataris and PCs... I am already thinking of selling the package... But lets wait... Maybe we can find a solution for the dongle problem... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. 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From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 16 23:58:39 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-26459>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:58:30 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-26460>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:58:21 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5H3wIa94921 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:58:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from sunny.pacific.net.au ([203.25.148.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13545>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:23:56 -0400 Received: from wisma.pacific.net.au (wisma.pacific.net.au [210.23.129.72]) by sunny.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id g5H3NhZr025920 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:23:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.254] (ppp105.adsl89.pacific.net.au [202.7.89.105]) by wisma.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id NAA13063 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:23:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:24:45 -0400 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Zip reliability Re: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Message-ID: <1637905.1024320285@[192.168.0.11]> In-Reply-To: <01a201c21528$d65eb000$069d4bd5@ptr> References: <01a201c21528$d65eb000$069d4bd5@ptr> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > According to an article I read about backing-up-your data the Jaz-thing > was stopped among others because of reliability problems. Combine that > with the COD-thing for Zips and you get a hell of an impression about > Iomega ! :-) OK, please don't take that too serious, I'm not after > starting some Iomega flaming debate. And I do like their CDRWs though... There's been a lot of discussion over the years about removable media products, and Iomega's in particular. It's obvious that while the problems are genuine, some people are luckier than others. I have both a Jaz and a Zip drive connected to my Roland S-760. I have never had any problems with the Jaz, which are elsewhere reported to be extremely problematic with the S-760. Mind you, I've treated the Jaz cartridges EXTREMELY carefully, rarely removing the S-760 cartridge. I have experienced Click of Death problems with my Zip drive, and so rarely use that now, although it appears to be OK with fresh disks. As someone else mentioned, just treat it as a large floppy drive, and never keep your only copy of anything on a Zip disk. But I have read a really positive review of Iomega's latest CD-RW drive - apparently it's a rebadged Plextor. Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 17 02:49:47 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26459>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:49:38 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26460>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:49:28 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:49:21 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:49:20 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: AW: sgroup Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:49:20 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9865@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Director-S dongle *striptease* now online!!! Thread-Index: AcIVs0UZYHf6l3v+TkyLsxXjPYWDygAF6JDQ From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "P. Vermeeren" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 06:49:20.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BCFC1E0:01C215CB] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >I'll send you a disk image of the S-330 version of Director-S tomorrow, = have >to dig it up. Thank you. I will send you my disk images per private mail... >For now, I'm amazed by the pictures on your site (thanks for providing = this >info BTW): > >the dongle has no feed-thru ! I didn't know this so far and am amazed, = what >a bad idea to loose the mouse when you want to use the Director-S = program=20 >(at least that's what it means, not ?) Exactly... And I don't know if it would work if you make an adapter that = allows you to plug in two gadgets (f.e. dongle and mouse). I think that this = will=20 make problems... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 17 12:21:18 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26460>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:21:10 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26460>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:21:07 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id JAA05699; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma005696; Mon, 17 Jun 02 09:32:23 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5HGKnS34715 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:20:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26460>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:37:49 -0400 Received: from coq (213.36.40.175) by mail.libertysurf.net (5.1.053) id 3D07609B000995D9 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:37:28 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c215fb$7c7aea80$af2824d5@coq> From: "Kamaro" To: Subject: sgroup DJ-70 MKII update Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:35:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2160C.3F21E600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2160C.3F21E600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello everyone,=20 i have a dj-70 MKII with os 1.01 and i am looking for the latest update, Is there somebody for sending me this file thanks by advance kamaro ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2160C.3F21E600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello everyone,
i have a dj-70 MKII with os 1.01 and i = am looking=20 for the latest update,
Is there somebody for sending me this=20 file
thanks by advance
kamaro
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2160C.3F21E600-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 17 16:33:49 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26459>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:33:39 -0400 Received: from siaag2af.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.136]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26460>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:33:34 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2af.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id QAA20891 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:32:35 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200206171632_MC3-1-2B0-C4D8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >I have used a ZIP drive with my S-760 for several years. I even dropped= the >rack with it once. It works fine ever since. > >Ingo I tour all year with an s760 and ZIP 100. So far only one ZIP drive has failed in the last few year, and NO disks have failed. I bring a backup on floppies to be safe. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 17 22:28:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26459>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:28:17 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26459>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:28:06 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.86.253]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020618022803.MBJL19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:28:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2166e$d0b917c0$fd56580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , Subject: sgroup Reasons to use a patch librarian. Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:21:08 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2164D.478E5BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2164D.478E5BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, As I write more and more sequences/tracks, etc. I find myself getting = frustrated at having to scroll through and endless number of patches = with no kind of organization whatsoever. I have the Roland XP60, so = unlike the XV5080 and JV2080, there's no patch finder or categorical = hierarchy. Would this be a good reason to run out and get a program like = Sound Diver by Emagic? Is this the best patch editor/librarian? Should = every good studio have a program like this? What are some other programs = that you'd recommend. Bear in mind that I have worked with computer programs before = (Pro-Tools, Logic Audio, CuBase, etc), so I'm not computer illiterate or = anything. I just (gulp!) never had to use a patch librarian before.=20 Please Help, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2164D.478E5BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
As I write more and more = sequences/tracks, etc. I=20 find myself getting frustrated at having to scroll through and endless = number of=20 patches with no kind of organization whatsoever. I have the Roland XP60, = so=20 unlike the XV5080 and JV2080, there's no patch finder or categorical = hierarchy.=20 Would this be a good reason to run out and get a program like Sound = Diver by=20 Emagic? Is this the best patch editor/librarian? Should every good = studio have a=20 program like this? What are some other programs that you'd=20 recommend.
 
Bear in mind that I have worked with = computer=20 programs before (Pro-Tools, Logic Audio, CuBase, etc), so I'm not = computer=20 illiterate or anything. I just (gulp!) never had to use a patch = librarian=20 before.
 
Please Help,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2164D.478E5BC0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 17 22:55:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-26459>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:55:18 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26459>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:55:07 -0400 Received: from maridia.blarg.net (vq122.atm01.sea.blarg.net [206.124.140.122]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4077237EB0 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617195342.00bc95f0@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:54:58 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Reasons to use a patch librarian. In-Reply-To: <000d01c2166e$d0b917c0$fd56580c@epu1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 07:21 PM 6/17/2002, Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >As I write more and more sequences/tracks, etc. I find myself getting >frustrated at having to scroll through and endless number of patches with >no kind of organization whatsoever. I have the Roland XP60, so unlike the >XV5080 and JV2080, there's no patch finder or categorical hierarchy. Would >this be a good reason to run out and get a program like Sound Diver by >Emagic? Is this the best patch editor/librarian? Should every good studio >have a program like this? What are some other programs that you'd recommend. I would recommend Sound Diver over all the other patch librarian software out there. It has a much nicer interface, supports more devices, and it makes a really loud submarine sonar pinging sound when you open it up. Plus if you need to tweak the editors you can do so pretty easily. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 02:35:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:35:35 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:35:32 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:35:19 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:35:19 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: sgroup new pages online! MU-1 mouse and DT-10 graphic tablet / Software Disposition-Notification-To: "Ullrich Peter" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:35:18 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9885@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: new OS-version CD-5 V1.02 for the S-550 sampler / Director-S for S-550 and S-330 Thread-Index: AcIWgeZf9qpRLF8CRi29VTYnSiarJAADloRA From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "SGROUP" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2002 06:35:19.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[509A4900:01C21692] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! In the procedd of making an Roland sampler information site I made two = new pages: http://home.pages.at/pullrich/mu1mouse.htm http://home.pages.at/pullrich/dt100_tablet.htm I sent John Sellens (the owner of the SGROUP-Server) the S-330 and S-550 Director-S Software and also the latest software version V1.02 of the CD5 system = disks for the S-550. The software will be online in a few days I think. My pages about the MU-1 and DT-100 are already online! Check it out! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 04:01:24 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16480>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:01:16 -0400 Received: from [212.115.146.242] ([212.115.146.242]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16480>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:01:10 -0400 Received: from hivos.nl by [212.115.146.242] via smtpd (for hugin.uunet.ca [209.167.141.2]) with ESMTP; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:01:04 +0200 Received: from netbox.hivos.nl (unverified) by kerberos.intra.hivos.nl (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:52:09 +0200 Received: from [7601] ([192.168.200.20]) by netbox.hivos.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA21872; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:34:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200206180734.JAA21872@netbox.hivos.nl> From: "Ferry Bodijn" Organization: Stichting Hivos To: "Ullrich Peter" Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:01:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup new pages online! MU-1 mouse and DT-10 graphic tablet / Software Reply-to: f.bodijn@hivos.nl CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-reply-to: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9885@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Peter, I have thake notice of your intresse in the Phillips MSX drawing pad. I have an ROland s-760 sampler and I was wondering if such device also works on my sampler. Must be, it's just a mouse as I see it, isn't? Well, I did some research on the web and came up with this link: http://www.manuel.msxnet.org/msx/collection It's a page of an MSX freak and he claims that he has an hardware (service?) manual of the Phillips NMS-1510. So maby he can help you on your quest to obtain the shematics. Hope I helped you a little...;) Love your work on the Roland Information Site that you're creating. Go on with it and keep me informed! Ferry Subject: sgroup new pages online! MU-1 mouse and DT-10 graphic tablet / Software Date sent: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:35:18 -0400 From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "SGROUP" > Hi! > > In the procedd of making an Roland sampler information site I made two new > pages: > > http://home.pages.at/pullrich/mu1mouse.htm > http://home.pages.at/pullrich/dt100_tablet.htm > > I sent John Sellens (the owner of the SGROUP-Server) the S-330 and S-550 > Director-S > Software and also the latest software version V1.02 of the CD5 system disks for > the S-550. > The software will be online in a few days I think. > > My pages about the MU-1 and DT-100 are already online! > > Check it out! > > Ciao > Peter > > \|/ > (o o) > --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ > Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net > Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich > .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician > ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria > ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- > \_) ) / > (_/ > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > "Oh no! I'm caught with my .sig file down!" ============================= Hivos Ferry Bodijn System/Network Administrator Raamweg 16 2596 HL The Hague The Netherlands tel: +31-(0)70-3765571/00 fax: +31-(0)70-3624600 f.bodijn@hivos.nl http://www.hivos.nl ============================= ****************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message is free of computer viruses. 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From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 09:25:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:25:22 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:25:15 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5IDP5i95891 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:25:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:15:47 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-47-16.tnt6.me2.uunet.de [149.225.47.16]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA22058 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:15:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D0F3178.D4D77CC@cityweb.de> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:11:21 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Reasons to use a patch librarian. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617195342.00bc95f0@mail.blarg.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ben Lincoln wrote: > and it makes a really loud > submarine sonar pinging sound when you open it up. Luckily this can be turned off ;-) > Plus if you need to tweak > the editors you can do so pretty easily. This is only true for adaptations. There are two ways SoundDiver supports a device, either with a module or with an adaptation. Modules can't be user-modified, but in general are more powerful than adaptations. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 09:26:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16480>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:26:12 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16480>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:26:01 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5IDPxK95971 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:25:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:15:44 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-47-16.tnt6.me2.uunet.de [149.225.47.16]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA21866 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:15:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D0F2648.7E8384CE@cityweb.de> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:23:36 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Reasons to use a patch librarian. References: <000d01c2166e$d0b917c0$fd56580c@epu1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > > Hey All, > > As I write more and more sequences/tracks, etc. I find myself getting > frustrated at having to scroll through and endless number of patches > with no kind of organization whatsoever. I have the Roland XP60, so > unlike the XV5080 and JV2080, there's no patch finder or categorical > hierarchy. Would this be a good reason to run out and get a program > like Sound Diver by Emagic? Is this the best patch editor/librarian? Regarding SoundDiver support for Roland S-330, S-550 and S-760 samplers, I have (partly, in the case of S-760) made the adaptations for these units. No doubt SoundDiver is a useful program in general, but there are some limitations with these samplers. The most important one, not the samples themselves are stored in the computer, only the parameters. Storing the samples would require transferring them via MIDI, which is very slow (much slower than from/to floppy). One nice feature of SoundDiver is, it can find duplicate patches/partials/whatever, even if the names are different. This can be helpful because when convert-loading from Akai CDROMs, the S-760 sometimes creates lots of duplicate partials. Sorry, I can't comment on Roland JV/XV/XP, since I have no experience with these. There's a SoundDiver user's mailing list on yahoogroups, if you have further questions. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 09:38:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16480>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:38:37 -0400 Received: from smtp.unc.edu (smtpsrv10.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.241]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:38:27 -0400 Received: from ho08ed (dhcp8455.dhcp.unc.edu [152.2.214.73]) by smtp.unc.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5IDbacr006834 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:37:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Edward Raison" To: "SGROUP" Subject: RE: sgroup new pages online! MU-1 mouse and DT-10 graphic tablet / Software Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:37:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9885@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2030767027 Brand new DT-100 going for cheap; auction ends in a few hours. -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Ullrich Peter Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:35 AM To: SGROUP Subject: sgroup new pages online! MU-1 mouse and DT-10 graphic tablet / Software Hi! In the procedd of making an Roland sampler information site I made two new pages: http://home.pages.at/pullrich/mu1mouse.htm http://home.pages.at/pullrich/dt100_tablet.htm I sent John Sellens (the owner of the SGROUP-Server) the S-330 and S-550 Director-S Software and also the latest software version V1.02 of the CD5 system disks for the S-550. The software will be online in a few days I think. My pages about the MU-1 and DT-100 are already online! Check it out! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 14:26:18 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:26:12 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:26:02 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D0F131300021E0B; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:24:49 -0700 Message-ID: <00b001c216f5$85331030$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Ingo Debus" , References: <000d01c2166e$d0b917c0$fd56580c@epu1> <3D0F2648.7E8384CE@cityweb.de> Subject: Re: sgroup Reasons to use a patch librarian. Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:25:01 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk There is a sounddiver module for the XV-5080. Its right on the main download page of Sounddiver updates at emagic. Emagic also does provide either adaptations or modules for the S-550. I haven't tried it yet, so I don't know what it is or how well it works...maybe its Ingo's.... I dunno. But its there.. There are also a number of third party freeware editors for the S-550, none of which I have tried yet either. I doubt they deal with sample transfers. I can't remember if there ever was a program that transferred both the samples AND the parameters for editing. Certainly midi is much slower than floppy. It would probably take a few minutes to load one floppy full of stuff in one direction over midi. Easier to just use a floppy via sneakernet. However, I'm not sure if there are any programs out there that provide editing functions of s-550 patches AND samples. Too bad there isn't, that would be cool. That seems to universally be the situation with just about all samplers that I know of though. There are sample editing tools out there all over the place (but they don't bother with program parameters. And then there are program editors such as sound diver that don't bother with samples. So you have to use the sample editor if you wanna tweak the samples at all. use the program editor to modify how the sample is used. One thing that would be nice in one of these editors would be the ability to control the sampler via midi such that as you are editing a patch...it not only tweaks the program parameters, but if the sampler supports it, allows you to cut and paste and truncate or whatever else you want to do to the actual sample data that is residing in the sampler; via midi commands to the sampler. You're essentially editing the patch in place in the sampler, but using a nicer UI on the computer. Then when you're all done, you save the final product on the sampler's floppy or HD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingo Debus" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:23 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Reasons to use a patch librarian. > > > > "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > > > > Hey All, > > > > As I write more and more sequences/tracks, etc. I find myself getting > > frustrated at having to scroll through and endless number of patches > > with no kind of organization whatsoever. I have the Roland XP60, so > > unlike the XV5080 and JV2080, there's no patch finder or categorical > > hierarchy. Would this be a good reason to run out and get a program > > like Sound Diver by Emagic? Is this the best patch editor/librarian? > > Regarding SoundDiver support for Roland S-330, S-550 and S-760 samplers, > I have (partly, in the case of S-760) made the adaptations for these > units. No doubt SoundDiver is a useful program in general, but there are > some limitations with these samplers. The most important one, not the > samples themselves are stored in the computer, only the parameters. > Storing the samples would require transferring them via MIDI, which is > very slow (much slower than from/to floppy). > One nice feature of SoundDiver is, it can find duplicate > patches/partials/whatever, even if the names are different. This can be > helpful because when convert-loading from Akai CDROMs, the S-760 > sometimes creates lots of duplicate partials. > > Sorry, I can't comment on Roland JV/XV/XP, since I have no experience > with these. There's a SoundDiver user's mailing list on yahoogroups, if > you have further questions. > > Ingo > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 15:03:59 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-16480>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:03:52 -0400 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com ([65.24.0.112]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-16480>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:03:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (grv230021.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.21]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5IJ3bv13466 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:03:33 -0400 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1771692533.20020618150333@columbus.rr.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Roland DT-100 Digitizer and G-77 Bass synth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Well I managed to snatch up the digitizer. I can't believe the price stayed around $15.00 for so long. Someone did come in at the last minute and run the bidding up. But I closed at $59.50 which I think is excellent just from a collection viewpoint. I thought I'd never be able to find one. Now if I could get a SCSI kit for my S-50 that would make me megahappy. I know this isn't the right forum but maybe someone here might know the answer to this question... I have a Roland G-77 bass synth. I seem to recall Roland making an external programming interface for the pedalboard. Has anyone heard of this? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 15:12:37 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193719-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:12:31 -0400 Received: from mail2.lear.com ([63.68.228.222]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193717-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:12:15 -0400 Received: from 10.0.4.95 by mail2.lear.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:12:04 -0400 Received: by inet-imc-01.headquarters.lear.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:12:04 -0400 Message-ID: <70533B83BB16D111852D00805F59F04DC3327D@oakville.oakville.lear.com> From: "Gallagher, Jon" To: Gaffa , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Roland DT-100 Digitizer and G-77 Bass synth Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:12:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Roland made an external programmer for the GR-707 which was the PG200 Is the sound module the same in the bass version??? If so, the programmer should work.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gaffa [SMTP:gaffa@columbus.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:04 PM > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup Roland DT-100 Digitizer and G-77 Bass synth > > > Well I managed to snatch up the digitizer. I can't believe > the price stayed around $15.00 for so long. Someone did > come in at the last minute and run the bidding up. But I > closed at $59.50 which I think is excellent just from a > collection viewpoint. I thought I'd never be able to find > one. Now if I could get a SCSI kit for my S-50 that would > make me megahappy. > > I know this isn't the right forum but maybe someone here might > know the answer to this question... I have a Roland G-77 bass > synth. I seem to recall Roland making an external programming > interface for the pedalboard. Has anyone heard of this? > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 16:14:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-16480>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:13:57 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (bluenat.net.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.30.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:13:53 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5IKDo121733 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:13:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:13:50 -0400 From: John Sellens Message-Id: <200206182013.g5IKDo121733@gc0.generalconcepts.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup ROLAND S-760 SAMPLER EXPANSION CARD OP-760-1 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk | From: "Edward Raison" | | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2030767027 | | Brand new DT-100 going for cheap; auction ends in a few hours. As you heard, our friend Gaffa picked that up, but the same ebay seller has an S-760 expansion card for sale *with a mouse(!)*: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=886374064 John - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 18 21:52:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:52:48 -0400 Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16481>; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:52:37 -0400 Received: from [217.87.116.226] (helo=[217.87.116.226]) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.60 #1) id 17KUdz-0007Pd-00; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:52:23 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:51:54 -0400 Subject: Re: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) From: nichtlineareaudioproduktionen To: dennis barton , roland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200206171632_MC3-1-2B0-C4D8@compuserve.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >> >> I have used a ZIP drive with my S-760 for several years. I even dropped > the >> rack with it once. It works fine ever since. >> >> Ingo > > I tour all year with an s760 and ZIP 100. So far only one ZIP drive has > failed in the last few year, and NO disks have failed. > > I bring a backup on floppies to be safe. Thumbs up for the zip!! Nikolaus Sieveking nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 19 15:26:21 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1430>; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:26:13 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1430>; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:26:10 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:23:25 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C1092@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: skylab2000@compuserve.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:30:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk hi group (new member) What kind of Zip do you use? I just picked up a 760 and this is the last piece I need. Don't know what types/models are worthy. Are there any up to 600 MB? I keep seeing refernce to 100 MB models but the 760 can handle up to 600. Thanks Ralph >-----Original Message----- >From: nichtlineareaudioproduktionen [mailto:niko_s@web.de] >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:52 PM >To: dennis barton; roland >Subject: Re: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) > > >> >>> >>> I have used a ZIP drive with my S-760 for several years. I >even dropped >> the >>> rack with it once. It works fine ever since. >>> >>> Ingo >> >> I tour all year with an s760 and ZIP 100. So far only one >ZIP drive has >> failed in the last few year, and NO disks have failed. >> >> I bring a backup on floppies to be safe. > > >Thumbs up for the zip!! > > >Nikolaus Sieveking >nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 19 19:55:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-1429>; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:55:27 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1429>; Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:55:11 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.180]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:53:44 +0200 Message-ID: <005d01c217ed$b2b3a1c0$b49d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <000d01c2166e$d0b917c0$fd56580c@epu1> <3D0F2648.7E8384CE@cityweb.de> <00b001c216f5$85331030$6401a8c0@midiman> Subject: Re: sgroup Reasons to use a patch librarian. Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:01:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, From Steve: > There are also a number of third party freeware editors for the S-550, none > of which I have tried yet either. I doubt they deal with sample transfers. The only free one I know of for PC is the one from http://www.memi.com/ : "S550edit schließlich ist ein Editor für Windows, der einen schnellen Zugriff auf die Parameter des S-550 erlaubt (allerdings ohne Sample-Editing)." What are the others you know of ? Opinions which one is the most convenient ? Hmm, perhaps still the mouse + monitor with the S-330/550 itself ? Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Schow To: Ingo Debus ; Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Reasons to use a patch librarian. > There are also a number of third party freeware editors for the S-550, none > of which I have tried yet either. I doubt they deal with sample transfers. > I can't remember if there ever was a program that transferred both the > samples AND the parameters for editing. Certainly midi is much slower than > floppy. It would probably take a few minutes to load one floppy full of > stuff in one direction over midi. Easier to just use a floppy via > sneakernet. However, I'm not sure if there are any programs out there that > provide editing functions of s-550 patches AND samples. Too bad there > isn't, that would be cool. That seems to universally be the situation with > just about all samplers that I know of though. There are sample editing > tools out there all over the place (but they don't bother with program > parameters. And then there are program editors such as sound diver that > don't bother with samples. So you have to use the sample editor if you > wanna tweak the samples at all. use the program editor to modify how the > sample is used. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 20 11:29:47 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16272>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:29:37 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16272>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:29:34 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:26:52 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C1096@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup RE: S760 and WAV file CDROMs Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:33:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have an S760 with an Apple CD300. I recently picked up a CDROM of wav samples. The S760 recognizes my CD drive but either says the disk is unformatted or not a W30 or S330 disk (don't recall exact wording). I looked up and down my 3 manuals and couldn't find any reference to reading wav files. Can it read them? I know I can use the S760 to play an audio CD for sampling. What about wavs? Thanks Ralph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 20 12:27:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:27:34 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:27:19 -0400 Received: from user-2ive2pg.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.11.48] helo=mindspring.com) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17L4m7-0003sT-00; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:27:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3D120297.BBA3AE70@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:28:07 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca, Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup RE: S760 and WAV file CDROMs References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C1096@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > I know I can use the S760 to play an audio CD for sampling. What about wavs? Nope, no wav files imported or read into the S-760, unfortunately. I guess wav files just weren't anywhere near as popular an audio sample format when the 760 was released as they are now. I've never tried sampling from an audio CD in the 760's CD-ROM drive. I guess I should read the manual, but is this easy? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 20 16:50:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:50:01 -0400 Received: from riker.skynet.be ([195.238.3.89]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:49:58 -0400 Received: from deepzone (80-200-97-186.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.97.186]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g5KKnk904606 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:49:46 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <006701c2189c$05667240$b9dafea9@deepzone> From: "Vincent Janssens" To: "Sampler Group" Subject: sgroup Sdisk and win XP Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:49:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C218AC.C883D640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C218AC.C883D640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, I d'like to know if there is an alternative way using the sdisk soft on = Win XP. I'm now on Win XP and this program doesn't run normaly anymore... I have a lot of wav file I would like to transfert with the Smfw30... Thanks Vincent ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C218AC.C883D640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody,
 
I d'like to know if there is an = alternative way=20 using the sdisk soft on Win XP. I'm now on
Win XP and this program doesn't run = normaly=20 anymore...
I have a lot of wav file I would like = to transfert=20 with the Smfw30...
 
Thanks
 
Vincent
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C218AC.C883D640-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 20 16:56:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:56:48 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:56:45 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:54:03 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C109F@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: vin.janssens@skynet.be, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Sdisk and win XP Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:00:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2189D.8A5E1970" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2189D.8A5E1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" My understanding is the program works best under older versions of DOS, like 6.0. I use it outside of windows with DOS 6.22 and it works fine. -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Janssens [mailto:vin.janssens@skynet.be] Hi everybody, I d'like to know if there is an alternative way using the sdisk soft on Win XP. I'm now on Win XP and this program doesn't run normaly anymore... I have a lot of wav file I would like to transfert with the Smfw30... Thanks Vincent ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2189D.8A5E1970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
My understanding is the program works best under older versions of DOS, like 6.0. I use it outside of windows with DOS 6.22 and it works fine.


-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Janssens [mailto:vin.janssens@skynet.be]
Hi everybody,
 
I d'like to know if there is an alternative way using the sdisk soft on Win XP. I'm now on
Win XP and this program doesn't run normaly anymore...
I have a lot of wav file I would like to transfert with the Smfw30...
 
Thanks
 
Vincent
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2189D.8A5E1970-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 20 17:00:21 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:00:11 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:00:08 -0400 Received: from midiman (64.114.175.97) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D11B6110002CC5A; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:58:40 -0700 Message-ID: <017201c2189d$59cf11b0$6401a8c0@midiman> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Vincent Janssens" , "Sampler Group" References: <006701c2189c$05667240$b9dafea9@deepzone> Subject: Re: sgroup Sdisk and win XP Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:58:58 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016C_01C21862.9FD42FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016C_01C21862.9FD42FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes..just boot from a floppy and you're golden... ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Janssens To: Sampler Group Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: sgroup Sdisk and win XP Hi everybody, I d'like to know if there is an alternative way using the sdisk soft on Win XP. I'm now on Win XP and this program doesn't run normaly anymore... I have a lot of wav file I would like to transfert with the Smfw30... Thanks Vincent ------=_NextPart_000_016C_01C21862.9FD42FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes..just boot from a floppy = and you're=20 golden...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vincent=20 Janssens
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 = 1:49=20 PM
Subject: sgroup Sdisk and win = XP

Hi everybody,
 
I d'like to know if there is an = alternative way=20 using the sdisk soft on Win XP. I'm now on
Win XP and this program doesn't run = normaly=20 anymore...
I have a lot of wav file I would like = to=20 transfert with the Smfw30...
 
Thanks
 
Vincent
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_016C_01C21862.9FD42FA0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 20 17:07:14 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:07:05 -0400 Received: from excalibur.skynet.be ([195.238.3.90]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16273>; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:07:02 -0400 Received: from deepzone (80-200-97-186.adsl.powered-by.skynet.be [80.200.97.186]) by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with SMTP id g5KL6s828134 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:06:54 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <009101c2189e$6a0fb970$b9dafea9@deepzone> From: "Vincent Janssens" To: "Sampler Group" References: <006701c2189c$05667240$b9dafea9@deepzone> <017201c2189d$59cf11b0$6401a8c0@midiman> Subject: Re: sgroup Sdisk and win XP Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:06:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01C218AF.2D5F5100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C218AF.2D5F5100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Yes..just boot from a floppy and you're golden... Yeah it's so obvious...I didn't think about it... Thanks Vincent ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C218AF.2D5F5100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Yes..just boot from a = floppy and you're=20 golden...
 
Yeah it's so obvious...I didn't think = about=20 it...
 
Thanks
 
Vincent
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C218AF.2D5F5100-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 21 10:56:31 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-15449>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:56:23 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (bluenat.net.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.30.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15449>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:56:13 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5LEuAu91890 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:56:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15449>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:04:52 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-30-182.tnt4.me2.uunet.de [149.225.30.182]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id QAA18515 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:04:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D132972.EC3F07F5@cityweb.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:26:11 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup RE: S760 and WAV file CDROMs References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C1096@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> <3D120297.BBA3AE70@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Jesse Segovia wrote: > I've never tried sampling from an audio CD in the 760's CD-ROM drive. I > guess I should read the manual, but is this easy? Hm, is this possible at all? I thought the only thing the S-760 can do here is remote-control a CDROM drive so that it plays back audio CDs through its analog output. Whatever this might be good for... Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 21 12:42:21 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-15449>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:42:14 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15449>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:42:04 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10A0@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup RE: S760 CD Player function Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:46:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I had a look at my OP-760-1 manual, sent to me by a gent from Roland. It keeps making reference to the difference between Ver1 and Ver2. There's a section (pg 1-5) that says to put the 760 into CD player mode, select item 8 "CD Player" from the Performance menu. I checked mine - and I only had 7 items. No "CD Player" option. I suspect I don't have "Ver2". (I also figure that if the 760 is busy playing a CD, it probably can't sample at the same time.) I called Roland and they told me their tech notes say to select the SCSI menu (from the System Menu) and there I could specify the CD Player driver type. I recall having tried this last night but couldn't find any place that let me do this. The tech seemed to think that Ver2 referred to the software (I'm using 2.24) but he wasn't positive. So far if I tell the 760 to read the audio CD in the drive, it says "Media Error". I'll keep digging. >>Whatever this might be good for... Maybe saving mixer channels, or previewing samples...of course if you pair the 760 with a dedicated CD player with a digital out then who needs this function, really? The larger question now is what is Ver2? According to the OP-760-1 manual, there seem to be a number of improvements over to Ver1. Ralph >-----Original Message----- >From: Ingo Debus [mailto:debus@cityweb.de] >Hm, is this possible at all? I thought the only thing the S-760 can do >here is remote-control a CDROM drive so that it plays back audio CDs >through its analog output. Whatever this might be good for... > >Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 21 16:14:48 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-15448>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:14:40 -0400 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.190.223.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15448>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:14:29 -0400 Received: from Abit (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0227216000195 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:14:28 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: Subject: RE: sgroup RE: S760 CD Player function Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:14:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10A0@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Version 2 refers to the Operating System in use on the Roland sampler. When you switch on the S-760 it should display the Roland S760 Digital Sampler logo, System Initialising.. and SCSI scanning..it will then display the following as it loads the OS from floppy or SCSI; S-760 System Disk Ver. 2 24 System Loading This shows the revision of the OS and as can be seen it is Version 2.24 which I believe is the latest and contains 7 different audio CD-ROM drivers - I guess a Version 1 system will show Ver, 1.xx but as I haven't seen a version 1 machine I can only guess. The CD Player function is only supported in Ver 2 software and can be accessed if you press Command from the Performance Page. It will display items 1-7 and if you scroll down it should then display 8 CD Player. If you press the value button it should then display (in my case); Plextor CD-ROM PX20TS Track : xx(xx) A A-Time: xxmxxs00f P-Time: xxmxxs00f The 3 function buttons will also display Track Reverse - Stop - Track Forward The Play button when selected and playing an audio CD will then revert to the Play button. The above depends upon having Version 2 software, a compatible CD-ROM drive and the right driver selected. The right driver from a choice of 7 different types can be selected by the following; From the Performance Page select Mode, select System and press the value button. Scroll down the list and the last item you should see is CDP driver type. By default I believe it is set to off. Try each driver in turn (with an audio CD in the drive obviously :-) until you find one that is compatible with your CD-ROM. You may find that the sampler will lock-up as you progress through the list and will need to be rebooted. I tried all 7 drivers and a couple of them seemed to work OK although I had to reboot @ 3 times or so. CDP driver 1 works 100% here although when initially selected from the list it displayed CD-ROM not supported. After a reboot it worked perfectly although the PX-20TS is not included in the Roland compatibility list of supported drives. HTH Rregards, -=Glyn=- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On > Behalf Of Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca > Sent: 21 June 2002 17:46 > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup RE: S760 CD Player function > > > I had a look at my OP-760-1 manual, sent to me by a gent from Roland. It > keeps making reference to the difference between Ver1 and Ver2. There's a > section (pg 1-5) that says to put the 760 into CD player mode, > select item 8 > "CD Player" from the Performance menu. I checked mine - and I only had 7 > items. No "CD Player" option. I suspect I don't have "Ver2". (I > also figure > that if the 760 is busy playing a CD, it probably can't sample at the same > time.) > I called Roland and they told me their tech notes say to select the SCSI > menu (from the System Menu) and there I could specify the CD Player driver > type. I recall having tried this last night but couldn't find any > place that > let me do this. The tech seemed to think that Ver2 referred to > the software > (I'm using 2.24) but he wasn't positive. > So far if I tell the 760 to read the audio CD in the drive, it says "Media > Error". I'll keep digging. > > >>Whatever this might be good for... > > Maybe saving mixer channels, or previewing samples...of course if you pair > the 760 with a dedicated CD player with a digital out then who needs this > function, really? > > The larger question now is what is Ver2? According to the OP-760-1 manual, > there seem to be a number of improvements over to Ver1. > > Ralph > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Ingo Debus [mailto:debus@cityweb.de] > > >Hm, is this possible at all? I thought the only thing the S-760 can do > >here is remote-control a CDROM drive so that it plays back audio CDs > >through its analog output. Whatever this might be good for... > > > >Ingo > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 21 19:50:13 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-15448>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:50:07 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15448>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:50:01 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.36]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:48:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c2197f$5062fa00$249d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: Subject: sgroup S-550 CD 1.02 System: how to save external control ? Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:56:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Just got the latest version of the S-550 system disk (CD-5, v1.02) (thanks !) But have a problem: it is set for the mouse-control and I can't seem to find a way to _store_ the changed external control mode (for RC-100). As I understand it, it should be possible by storing the FUNC data, but then the S-550 responds with 'Insert Sound Disk', according to the error-message list indicating that I have in fact an utility-disk. Hmm, I thought System Disks were alike to sound disks. Do we have an oversight in the OS here ? Can't imagine it's not possible to elegantly store some changed setting, but it's remarkable that the S-330 _does_ have a separate entry for saving the external control mode. O yes, and while I'm at it, I'd like to update & store the sysex-switch to 'on' as well (for using the S550edit-program). Does anyone know how to store these settings to my system disk ? I guess it's fairly obvious, but I just don't see it now. Or is the change between CD-5 v1.02 & v1.01 only small so that I'd perhaps better stick to the previous system disk I used ? Thanks / bye, Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 21 20:21:50 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-15448>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:21:43 -0400 Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net ([196.25.240.74]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-15449>; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:21:30 -0400 Received: from [155.239.79.49] (ndf53-07-49.gt.saix.net [155.239.79.49]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g5M0LGd03273; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 02:21:17 +0200 (SAT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c2197f$5062fa00$249d4bd5@ptr> References: <000a01c2197f$5062fa00$249d4bd5@ptr> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:21:03 -0400 To: From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 CD 1.02 System: how to save external control ? Cc: "P. Vermeeren" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Peter, >As I understand it, it should be possible by storing the FUNC data, but >then the S-550 responds with 'Insert Sound Disk', according to the >error-message list indicating that I have in fact an utility-disk. Hmm, I >thought System Disks were alike to sound disks. > >O yes, and while I'm at it, I'd like to update & store the sysex-switch to >'on' as well (for using the S550edit-program). I haven't done this for a while but try this: Configure your mouse/sysex settings as you prefer. Go to and select I think that stores the settings as you want them.....try on a new disk. Hope this helps Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 23 10:46:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-25596>; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:46:01 -0400 Received: from VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25596>; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:45:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([24.201.27.101]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GY5YCH00.NR2 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:45:53 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:45:54 -0400 Subject: Re: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) From: "R.Lemay" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D0B143A.42DB2831@cityweb.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I had one in my Mac; worked for 2-3 weeks. Ruined disks and I lost my back-ups. Will NEVER trust that piece of S..T EVER again. Media is WAY too expensive; about 20 times what it should be. I had another one built-in my other Mac but I took it out. Waste of electricity. Save the planet; unplug your Zips! Some drives are OK, some are faulty. Just be prepared to throw out all your back-up data if you don't have an alternate system like CD burning. Old hard-drives are dirt cheap and...they do work. If you have to go with removable media, go Syquest; not as bad and cheaper. I don't think I ever got such a bad product. Iomega sucks. Their customer support sucks. Sounds a bit extreme, but it is true :-( Just my opinion... Richard > From: Ingo Debus > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:17:32 -0400 > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: AW: sgroup Zip-100 comments (FWIW) > > > > Ullrich Peter wrote: >>> As I understood it, the autosleep can't be disabled >>> when used apart from a computer. >> >> But you have the function "HD RESTART" in the DISK MENU >> of the S550! > > Can't you wake it up just by removing the media (pushing the button on > the ZIP) and re-inserting it? > > >> I have about 7 or 8 zip drives in use with different >> computers and instruments and had no problems with it - >> but I have read the webpage about it and tested some >> disks with the free testing program. > > I have used a ZIP drive with my S-760 for several years. I even dropped > the rack with it once. It works fine ever since. > > Ingo > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 23 18:54:34 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-25596>; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:54:25 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net015s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.155]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-25596>; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:54:15 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.240.113]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:52:42 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c21b09$dd215500$71f04bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Colin Shapiro" Cc: References: <000a01c2197f$5062fa00$249d4bd5@ptr> Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 CD 1.02 System: how to save external control ? Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:45:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Colin, Saving the RC-100-controller worked, thanks for your description ! It didn't save the Sysex-enable setting though. But I leave it at that, it's not that often that I need the Sysex-enable (only for running the S550edit-PC-program). Bye / thanks, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Shapiro To: Cc: P. Vermeeren Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:21 AM Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 CD 1.02 System: how to save external control ? > Hi Peter, > > >As I understand it, it should be possible by storing the FUNC data, but > >then the S-550 responds with 'Insert Sound Disk', according to the > >error-message list indicating that I have in fact an utility-disk. Hmm, I > >thought System Disks were alike to sound disks. > > > >O yes, and while I'm at it, I'd like to update & store the sysex-switch to > >'on' as well (for using the S550edit-program). > > I haven't done this for a while but try this: > Configure your mouse/sysex settings as you prefer. > Go to and select > > I think that stores the settings as you want them.....try on a new disk. > > Hope this helps > Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 24 09:29:58 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-20357>; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:29:53 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20357>; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:29:37 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5ODTXH02161 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:29:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20357>; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:40:41 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5OCeWe99267; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:40:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:40:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200206241240.g5OCeWe99267@gc0.generalconcepts.com> From: John Sellens To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca, vin.janssens@skynet.be Subject: Re: sgroup Sdisk and win XP Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk | From sgroup-owner@hugin.uunet.ca Thu Jun 20 23:02:14 2002 | From: "Vincent Janssens" | To: "Sampler Group" | Subject: sgroup Sdisk and win XP | Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:49:49 -0400 | | I d'like to know if there is an alternative way using the sdisk soft on = | Win XP. I'm now on | Win XP and this program doesn't run normaly anymore... | I have a lot of wav file I would like to transfert with the Smfw30... There are some hints at http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/hints.html which mention "floppy image", a dos window, and "samdisk" rather than "sdisk". More hints gratefully accepted. Cheers John jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 24 10:40:11 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-20357>; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:40:01 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20357>; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:39:57 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:37:12 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10AB@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup It works: S760 CD Player function for sampling Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:43:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >> >Hm, is this possible at all? I thought the only thing the S-760 can do >> >here is remote-control a CDROM drive so that it plays back audio CDs >> >Ingo I succesfully sampled from an audio CD on the weekend, using the S760 to control the tracks on CD. There are a couple of quirks (below). The method I used to enable the CD Player function is a bit different than described by Glyn: >The CD Player function is only supported in Ver 2 software and can be >accessed if you press Command from the Performance Page. >It will display items 1-7 and if you scroll down it should >then display 8 CD Player. Mine was actually item 7 of 7. (The OP-760-1 manual said it was found under the Performance menu, but what do they know?) Once I had the CD Player display, when I tried to play it it said "...not supported" >If you press the value button it should then display (in my case); >Plextor CD-ROM PX20TS What I had to do to select the CD Player Driver type was (mouse) select SCSI from the System menu. The "CDP Driver Type" is selected with the item just below the "Overwrite Switch". The choices were OFF, or 1 through 7. Mine was selected to 1. I selected 2, then went back to the CD Player. It fired right up, listing the CD Player as "Sony CD-Rom CDU8003A". (My CD-Rom drive is an Apple CD300.) I went back to try the other drivers and found they all came up with the Sony player, and >You may find that the sampler will lock-up as you progress through the list >and will need to be rebooted. Not for me, but sometimes I had to go back and forth to Performance once or twice to get the 760 to wake up and recognize the CDP Driver. Once set it seemed to work every time. The CDP Driver Type is one of the System parameters that needs to be saved before re-booting. Once I had the CD Audio available, I fed it to the analog input of the S760. I was able to exit from the CD Player with the CD still playing. I then went to the Sampling page, and the CD Audio was available and I could adjust the levels etc. The only problem is that there is no control of the CD once you close the Player function. I got around this by cueing the CD a few tracks before the one I wanted to sample. That gave me time to set the name, etc etc that has to be done before you actually sample. Then I went to Ready and waited for the track. Of course once the sample was done, I had the problem of the CD Audio still playing. To stop the CD Audio while I set looping etc, I could have used the 760 front-panel record level to turn it down, but I run several sources into my 760 through a submix, so I turned it down there (while it still played). That way I didn't have to re-adjust the record level if I needed to retry. Q: Will it erase the sample if I leave sampling mode before finalizing the sample? ie can I get out to kill the CD Player, then go back and finish tweaking the sample? I think I tried this and I lost the sample data. Once the sample was ready, I had a situation where I wanted to cue a CD Audio track while a Performance was being played by the 760 from my computer (Cubase). So I started the Performance with the CD Player function enabled, with my audio cued at the track I wanted. When I started the CD, it caused the Parts in the Performance to sustain (no note-off) and ruined the test "take". >> >through its analog output. Whatever this might be good for... >> >Ingo I try saving resources as much as possible. So it is possible to sample from the CD-Rom using the 760 as transport control and to play audio along with the 760. This is handy, but there is a limitation as to how it can be used. Perhaps someone knows how to get around this (multi-tasking) limitation. Thanks to Glyn for his kick-start. I am finding that the 760 tends to need waking up every now and then with a note-on from the computer. Anyone else find this? Ralph (I'm fairly new here and so far this has been great - thanks all) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 24 20:24:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-20356>; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:24:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.infolink.com.br ([200.187.64.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20356>; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:24:24 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (200-187-67-118.dialup.rjo.infolink.com.br [200.187.67.118]) by smtp.infolink.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 92F18A4C22 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:24:14 -0300 (BRT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:28:18 -0400 From: Fabio FZer0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Hello Message-Id: <20020624212818.438ab3c0.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Organization: Gerador Zero X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello Let me introduce myself: Fabio FZer0, from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I make electronic music (mostly drum'n'bass, breakbeats and electro, all with a rock'n'roll edge). About Brazil: We don't speak spanish, but portuguese (and our portuguese is quite different from the one spoken in Portugal). We don't live in the jungle. Rio de Janeiro has as much concrete around as New York. Being so, there are no monkeys on the streets (or even trees, at least in most places downtown). We don't dance mambo, and samba has nothing to do with conga. Also, i'm quite far from being a typical brazilian as i don't like soccer. And believe me, *everybody* around here loves it. Aside from that... i'm a happy S760 owner. I own it for less than a month but i just LOVE it. Signed in today and didn't receive anything, so... is there anybody out there? ----------------------------------------- Fabio FZer0 Rio de Janeiro - Brasil www.geradorzero.com /404 /null - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 04:39:52 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:39:44 -0400 Received: from relay-2.m.channel4.co.uk ([216.239.208.98]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:39:33 -0400 Received: from fw-1 (fw-qfe3.channel4.co.uk [216.239.208.110]) by relay-2.m.channel4.co.uk (OBJL-MAIL-2.3-CTL) with SMTP for id IAA26780; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:38:20 GMT Received: from ([150.135.97.133]) by fw-1; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:37:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: by CAMOMILE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:39:22 -0000 Message-ID: <7F48CDC05EA8D511AE6F009027DCF3C424F481@HEMLOCK> From: Paul Boobyer To: "'sgroup@lists.uunet.ca'" Subject: RE: sgroup Sdisk and win XP Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:39:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi John Floppy Image works a treat on XP. You just have to rename your "OUT" files to "IMG" files and have the floppy image app in the same folder as your OUT files. I could never get sdisk to work on Windows ME and Floppy Image was a godsend. Good luck Paul -----Original Message----- From: John Sellens [mailto:jsellens@certaintysolutions.com] Sent: Monday 24 June 2002 12:41 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; vin.janssens@skynet.be Subject: Re: sgroup Sdisk and win XP | From sgroup-owner@hugin.uunet.ca Thu Jun 20 23:02:14 2002 | From: "Vincent Janssens" | To: "Sampler Group" | Subject: sgroup Sdisk and win XP | Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:49:49 -0400 | | I d'like to know if there is an alternative way using the sdisk soft on = | Win XP. I'm now on | Win XP and this program doesn't run normaly anymore... | I have a lot of wav file I would like to transfert with the Smfw30... There are some hints at http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/hints.html which mention "floppy image", a dos window, and "samdisk" rather than "sdisk". More hints gratefully accepted. Cheers John jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster@channel4.co.uk - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 10:39:37 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:39:29 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:39:17 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id HAA25127; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma025122; Tue, 25 Jun 02 07:49:51 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5PEcD362426 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:38:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:55:02 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-30-230.tnt4.me2.uunet.de [149.225.30.230]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA03347 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:54:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D186F8F.F327E51D@cityweb.de> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:26:40 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup It works: S760 CD Player function for sampling References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10AB@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > > So it is possible to sample from the CD-Rom using the 760 as transport > control and to play audio along with the 760. This is handy, but there is a > limitation as to how it can be used. Yes sure, this way it's possible. But I was hoping that the S-760 could "rip" directly from a audio CD, like a computer does (unless the CD is copy-protected). I wouldn't want to sample from the analog audio output of my CDROM drive, since it's noisy. > I am finding that the 760 tends to need waking up every now and then with a > note-on from the computer. Anyone else find this? Never noticed that. What do you mean with "wake up"? Does this only happen when using the CD player function or in other situations too? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 10:39:38 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:39:28 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:39:18 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id HAA25129; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma025123; Tue, 25 Jun 02 07:49:57 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5PEcI362435 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:38:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:55:05 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-30-230.tnt4.me2.uunet.de [149.225.30.230]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA03434 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:55:02 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D18716B.80E5B132@cityweb.de> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:34:36 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Hello References: <20020624212818.438ab3c0.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Fabio FZer0 wrote: > > Hello > > Let me introduce myself: Fabio FZer0, from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I make > electronic music (mostly drum'n'bass, breakbeats and electro, all with a > rock'n'roll edge). > > About Brazil: We don't speak spanish, but portuguese (and our portuguese > is quite different from the one spoken in Portugal). We don't live in the > jungle. Rio de Janeiro has as much concrete around as New York. Being so, > there are no monkeys on the streets (or even trees, at least in most > places downtown). We don't dance mambo, and samba has nothing to do with > conga. Also, i'm quite far from being a typical brazilian as i don't like > soccer. And believe me, *everybody* around here loves it. Welcome Fabio. I'm from Germany, but we don't eat Sauerkraut here all the time :-) Speaking of conga, are there nice free conga samples out there? I find that most conga sample collections don't offer all playing techniques. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 10:47:00 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:46:51 -0400 Received: from smtp.infolink.com.br ([200.187.64.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:46:40 -0400 Received: from infolink.com.br (host.infolink.com.br [200.187.64.32]) by smtp.infolink.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A64AA4C6F for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:46:28 -0300 (BRT) From: "Fabio FZer0" Reply-To: fzlistas@infolink.com.br To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:46:31 -0400 Subject: sgroup Internal Zip on S760? Message-id: <3d188247.339.0@infolink.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've been reading some S760 reviews and this internal zip thing popped a few times. So, is it possible? Being possible, is it difficult? I'd really like to have an internal zip (or even a Jaz, or maybe an HD!) on it. []s! --------------------------------------------------- FZer0 at webmêiol fzero@geradorzero.com www.geradorzero.com /null /404 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 10:52:50 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:52:42 -0400 Received: from smtp.infolink.com.br ([200.187.64.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:52:32 -0400 Received: from infolink.com.br (host.infolink.com.br [200.187.64.32]) by smtp.infolink.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E203A4C1C for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:52:19 -0300 (BRT) From: "Fabio FZer0" Reply-To: fzlistas@infolink.com.br To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:52:22 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Hello Message-id: <3d1883a6.28d.0@infolink.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ingo: >Welcome Fabio. I'm from Germany, but we don't eat Sauerkraut here all >the time :-) I know, there's a german guy on my band. :-) >Speaking of conga, are there nice free conga samples out there? I find >that most conga sample collections don't offer all playing techniques. I have some that came with the S760 (second-hand, obvioulsy), but don't know if they all would fit on a diskette (so i could make a disk image etc.). Anyway, i'll look for it at home ("working" right now). FZ. --------------------------------------------------- FZer0 at webmêiol fzero@geradorzero.com www.geradorzero.com /null /404 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 10:54:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:54:37 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:54:34 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:51:50 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10B8@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup S760 "wake-up calls" Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:58:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >> I am finding that the 760 tends to need waking up every now >and then with a >> note-on from the computer. Anyone else find this? > >Never noticed that. What do you mean with "wake up"? Does this only >happen when using the CD player function or in other situations too? > >Ingo No, it sometimes happens when for instance I have moved from Performance to Patch/Split or elswhere then back to Performance. I press a key or start the sequence and no sound is produced. If I hit a few different notes, or restart the sequence from the beginning a few times, the 760 will "wake up" and start to respond. It's unpredictable and so far only a nuisance but it would be good to know if it's a common bug or perhaps something I can change with internal settings. (Actually my Roland R8m has been guilty of this too.) Ralph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 11:17:36 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:17:29 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:17:18 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10B9@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup RE:S760 CD Player function for sampling Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:21:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >But I was hoping that the S-760 could "rip" directly from a audio CD, like a computer does (unless the CD is >copy-protected). I wouldn't want to sample from the analog audio output >of my CDROM drive, since it's noisy. > >Ingo (throat clearing noises...) When the 760 came out in the early 90's, the most common computer was a 386 or 486, and most were still using Unix to talk on the internet. As you know MP3 technology (and "rippers") didn't show up till later. I don't mind the limitations of older equipment for now, as I'm on a budget. (That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it....) Incidentally the Apple CD300 that I use is nice and quiet. It is same vintage as the 760, and is super fast (and was cheap). Unrelated trivia: I have a Synton 222 Syntovox vocoder from late 70's. Wendy Carlos used one on all that Beethoven stuff on "A Clockwork Orange" and has said Synton is the best-sounding and quietest vocoder made, and even used it on her "Switched-On Back 2000" recording. Worth a listen if you see it cheap, she uses different scale tunings than the usual tempered scale, and the sound quality is quite nice. In the notes she says there is only one Moog on the whole recording, but doesn't say where. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 11:24:31 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:24:22 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:24:15 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:24:10 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:24:10 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup Hello / CONGA SAMPLES solution X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:24:10 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9924@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Hello Thread-Index: AcIcVjlVF624odSKQQmIGsue3mlHtgABjziA From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Ingo Debus" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2002 15:24:10.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AB58650:01C21C5C] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo Ingo! >Speaking of conga, are there nice free conga samples out there? I find >that most conga sample collections don't offer all playing techniques. Have a look at the PC software Percussion Studio! It is a nice software for programming drum patterns and also complete=20 songs via a simple note editing language known by many percussion=20 teachers. You can export the drumloops or songs as stereo wave files that can be sampled by your sampler! And on this page there are a lot of instruments sets with different drum hits (bass, tone, slap, flam,...) that can be used. My percussion teacher Andre Varkony also made some of the sample sets. You can play around with the demo version but you can not edit=20 instrument sets. But it is only 25$!!! Have a look at it! It's worth it! http://members.1012surfnet.at/henry.kellner/PercussionStudio/index.html Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. 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From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 11:25:35 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:25:27 -0400 Received: from mail.cwjamaica.com ([200.10.152.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:25:24 -0400 Received: from [208.163.45.2] by mail.cwjamaica.com with ESMTP id <20020625142359.SIK1946.mail@[208.163.45.2]>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:23:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp//richardsven.com@pop3.postoffice.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10B8@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10B8@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:28:28 -0400 To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup S760 "wake-up calls" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 10:58 am -0400 25/6/2002, Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > >> I am finding that the 760 tends to need waking up every now >>and then with a >>> note-on from the computer. Anyone else find this? >> >>Never noticed that. What do you mean with "wake up"? Does this only >>happen when using the CD player function or in other situations too? >> >>Ingo > >No, it sometimes happens when for instance I have moved from Performance to >Patch/Split or elswhere then back to Performance. I press a key or start the >sequence and no sound is produced. If I hit a few different notes, or >restart the sequence from the beginning a few times, the 760 will "wake up" >and start to respond. It's unpredictable and so far only a nuisance but it >would be good to know if it's a common bug or perhaps something I can change >with internal settings. >(Actually my Roland R8m has been guilty of this too.) > what interface are u using? I have two midi interfaces, opcode's studio 4 and studio 64xtc. my s-760's don't work properly on the 64xtc and have the same problem you describe, I usually have to send after touch data to it for it to respond, however on the studio 4's they work fine.... guess which one I have them on ;) rsp -- richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" Please note NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: rsp@richardsven.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 11:31:34 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:31:26 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:31:20 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:18:48 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BA@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup RE: Correction-Synton/Wendy Carlos Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:25:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >used it on her "Switched-On Back 2000" recording. Worth a listen if you see it oops - that's Bach, as in J.S. (...and I'm supposed to be German...) Ralph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 11:44:50 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:44:41 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:44:30 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:41:44 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BC@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup CDROM drive for 760 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:48:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Just info, on eBay I came across this: Apple Original Mac External SCSI CD-ROM Drive Item # 2033440148 This is an Apple CD300, the one Roland originally tested to work best with the 760, and the deal has everything needed, including the cable. Going very cheap. It's the same one I use and the audio outputs are nice and quiet. Ralph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 12:03:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:03:17 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:03:07 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BD@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Akai CDROMs for 760 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:07:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I see a few Roland CDROMS around but I hear they're only ok quality. I see others for Akai S1000 and S1100 and I've heard these are compatible with the 760 using Convert Load. Can anyone confirm this? What about the 2000 and 3000 Akai series? no good? Can anyone recommend a particular series for Akai that's any good. I'd like to find a good acoustic piano. I keep seeing one one on Ebay but it doesn't specify S1000 and the vendor doesn't know: Grand Piano Sampling CD-ROM (Akai format) Item # 885734644 thanks Ralph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 12:44:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:44:00 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:43:50 -0400 Received: from user-2ive0ec.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.1.204] helo=mindspring.com) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MtPj-00031K-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:43:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3D189DF7.7D539554@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:44:39 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca, Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup Akai CDROMs for 760 References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BD@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > > I see a few Roland CDROMS around but I hear they're only ok quality. I'm actually very happy with the Roland CDs I have, but mostly because I got them at a clearance price of $29.99 each. I honestly can't say whether I'd be as happy with them at ~$200 per. > I see > others for Akai S1000 and S1100 and I've heard these are compatible with the > 760 using Convert Load. Can anyone confirm this? I've got a few Akai S1000 format CDs and they work fine. Some of them do take quite long to load and the worst thing about them is the modulation control doesn't seem to work at all. Can anyone else confirm this? It's a real drag to play a very nice B3 sample and when you hit modulation, absolutely nothing happens. 8-( > I'd like to find a good acoustic piano. There are some nice acoustic pianos in the Roland CDs. There's a Yamaha D9 or something that's at least on their jazz composer series CD and maybe on others as well. I'll check for you if you're interested. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 13:06:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:06:00 -0400 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:05:45 -0400 Received: from user-2ive0ec.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.1.204] helo=mindspring.com) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Mtl5-00025s-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3D18A32B.3CD5854E@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:06:51 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca, Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup Akai CDROMs for 760 References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10C0@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I know you're international but I'd give them a call. I bought them about two years ago so I don't know what they now have in stock. If you buy even one I'd imagine the savings justify the price of a phone call. Jesse Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > > >I'm actually very happy with the Roland CDs I have, but mostly because > >I got them at a clearance price of $29.99 each. I honestly can't say > >whether I'd be as happy with them at ~$200 per. > > I've seen them at this price on the net at West LA Music, but so far they > haven't responded to my email. I want to get 2 or 3 of them, like 60's and > 70's keyboards vol 1, and Africa vol 2. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 13:49:34 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:49:31 -0400 Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com ([209.132.1.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13099>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:49:15 -0400 Received: from sjspc (66.224.34.21) by mail.san.yahoo.com (6.5.024) id 3D18317100023D39; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:48:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c21c70$8ed73aa0$6501a8c0@sjspc> Reply-To: "Steve Schow" From: "Steve Schow" To: "Jesse Segovia" , , "Sampler Group" References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BD@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> <3D189DF7.7D539554@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Akai CDROMs for 760 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:48:46 -0400 Organization: Backstage Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Check out Chickensys.com translator. It translates a lot of different sample formats....WITH parameters. I know they do Akai discs well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Segovia" To: ; "Sampler Group" Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:44 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Akai CDROMs for 760 > Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > > > > I see a few Roland CDROMS around but I hear they're only ok quality. > > I'm actually very happy with the Roland CDs I have, but mostly because > I got them at a clearance price of $29.99 each. I honestly can't say > whether I'd be as happy with them at ~$200 per. > > > I see > > others for Akai S1000 and S1100 and I've heard these are compatible with the > > 760 using Convert Load. Can anyone confirm this? > > I've got a few Akai S1000 format CDs and they work fine. Some of them > do take quite long to load and the worst thing about them is the > modulation control doesn't seem to work at all. Can anyone else confirm > this? It's a real drag to play a very nice B3 sample and when you hit > modulation, absolutely nothing happens. 8-( > > > I'd like to find a good acoustic piano. > > There are some nice acoustic pianos in the Roland CDs. There's a Yamaha > D9 or something that's at least on their jazz composer series CD and > maybe on others as well. I'll check for you if you're interested. > > Jesse > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 13:50:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:50:40 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193719-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:50:12 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10C1@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: FW: sgroup West LA Music and Roland CDROMs for 760 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:54:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've been in touch with West LA Music and here's all they have left in stock of Roland CD ROMs: Africa 2 Solo Brass 1 Super Sax 1 Guitar and Bass 2 Drums and Cymbals 1 Can anyone comment on these? I'm pretty sure I will get Africa 2 but are any others worth picking up? Mini-reviews are welcome. Thanks Ralph -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Segovia [mailto:jsegovia@mindspring.com] I know you're international but I'd give them a call. I bought them about two years ago so I don't know what they now have in stock. If you buy even one I'd imagine the savings justify the price of a phone call. Jesse Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > > >I'm actually very happy with the Roland CDs I have, but mostly because > >I got them at a clearance price of $29.99 each. I honestly can't say > >whether I'd be as happy with them at ~$200 per. > > I've seen them at this price on the net at West LA Music, but so far they > haven't responded to my email. I want to get 2 or 3 of them, like 60's and > 70's keyboards vol 1, and Africa vol 2. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 16:28:37 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:28:28 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net014s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.154]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:28:17 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.188]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:26:30 +0200 Message-ID: <002501c21c87$cb34e800$bc9d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BC@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Subject: sgroup S-550 Trigger Play function (old news but cool...?) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:35:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, By accident the S-550 manual opened up on page 144, which happens to describe the Trigger Play feature. Just had some fun with it (I must say it triggers really well from guitar), but it'd be cool - hmm, I mean it'd become really of use if it was possible to influence the selected sample and it's pitch with some controller while playing the triggering source. Anyone knows more ? Anybody found additional possibilities ? Bye, Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 16:45:05 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:44:56 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net014s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.154]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:44:50 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.157.188]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:43:06 +0200 Message-ID: <00a201c21c8a$1caf24a0$bc9d4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Fabio FZer0" , References: <20020624212818.438ab3c0.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Subject: Re: sgroup Hello Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:51:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey Fabio, your name rings a bell. Aren't you also on the Akai-samplers list ? Bye, Peter ...from the Netherlands (who has just joined sgroup since buying his S-550) ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio FZer0 To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:28 AM Subject: sgroup Hello > > Hello > > Let me introduce myself: Fabio FZer0, from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I make > electronic music (mostly drum'n'bass, breakbeats and electro, all with a > rock'n'roll edge). > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 16:53:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-13098>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:52:57 -0400 Received: from smtp.infolink.com.br ([200.187.64.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:52:45 -0400 Received: from infolink.com.br (host.infolink.com.br [200.187.64.32]) by smtp.infolink.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id C04E4A4BFD for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:52:37 -0300 (BRT) From: "Fabio FZer0" Reply-To: fzlistas@infolink.com.br To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:52:41 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Hello Message-id: <3d18d819.3b1.0@infolink.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Peter: >Hey Fabio, your name rings a bell. Aren't you also on the >Akai-samplers list? Sure, it's me. :-) I use the MPC with the S760, mainly live. Quite a combo, if you ask me! --------------------------------------------------- FZer0 at webmêiol fzero@geradorzero.com www.geradorzero.com /null /404 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 18:07:21 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-23893>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:07:12 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23893>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:07:09 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.83.82]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020625220704.TCMV5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:07:04 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c21c93$a0aa97e0$5253580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , Subject: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:59:48 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C21C72.18727940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C21C72.18727940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Everyone. I'm ready to roll with the big boys. I've finally saved up $200 and am = ready to buy a real sample CD without the compromise. I'm looking for a = CD that has MULTISAMPLES (And only multisamples - Absolutely NO LOOPS = where applicable) of Acoustic Drums and Funky Strat Guitars. The quality = of the drums should be comparable to the SRX01 Dynamic Drum Board for = the XV5080 developed by spectrasonics. The funky (strat, clean) guitars = need to sound Prince/John Scofield/Late 70 - Early 80s like. There are = some similar patches on the Roland SC880 Clean Guitar selection. I'm NOT looking for LOOPS!!!! So CDs where the majority of the stuff are = loops need not be suggested. I'm a musician and don't need someone else = to make my music for me. I'd appreciate the help if possible. = Spectrasonics' VINTAGE TIME TRAVELER looks like a good contender (with = it's funky guitars and realistic vintage velocity switchable drums).=20 I'm really looking for the Roland format as the Akai Conversion utility = on the S760 works, but isn't stellar. I'd really appreciate as much help = from you all as possible. I've heard demos of certain things, but these = are often void of any real applications and we usually don't hear = patches soloed to see what they are capable of individually. Thanks, Harold BTW - The LCDP-02 Guitar & Bass Sample CD ROM from Roland is a complete = waste of money!! ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C21C72.18727940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Everyone.
 
I'm ready to roll with the big boys. = I've finally=20 saved up $200 and am ready to buy a real sample CD without the = compromise. I'm=20 looking for a CD that has MULTISAMPLES (And only multisamples - = Absolutely NO=20 LOOPS where applicable) of Acoustic Drums and Funky Strat Guitars. The = quality=20 of the drums should be comparable to the SRX01 Dynamic Drum Board for = the XV5080=20 developed by spectrasonics. The funky (strat, clean) guitars need to = sound=20 Prince/John Scofield/Late 70 - Early 80s like. There are some similar = patches on=20 the Roland SC880 Clean Guitar selection.
 
I'm NOT looking for LOOPS!!!! So CDs = where the=20 majority of the stuff are loops need not be suggested. I'm a musician = and don't=20 need someone else to make my music for me. I'd appreciate the help if = possible.=20 Spectrasonics' VINTAGE TIME TRAVELER looks like a good contender (with = it's=20 funky guitars and realistic vintage velocity switchable drums). =
 
I'm really looking for the Roland = format as the=20 Akai Conversion utility on the S760 works, but isn't stellar. I'd really = appreciate as much help from you all as possible. I've heard demos of = certain=20 things, but these are often void of any real applications and we usually = don't=20 hear patches soloed to see what they are capable of = individually.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
BTW - The LCDP-02 Guitar & Bass = Sample CD ROM=20 from Roland is a complete waste of money!!
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From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 18:09:44 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:09:35 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23893>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:09:22 -0400 Received: from user-2ive098.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.1.40] helo=mindspring.com) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MyTz-0007WI-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:08:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3D18EA18.2D0EF7A7@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:09:28 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Schow CC: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca, Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup Akai CDROMs for 760 References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BD@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> <3D189DF7.7D539554@mindspring.com> <002b01c21c70$8ed73aa0$6501a8c0@sjspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Steve. Here's a question I'm sure I can get answered at the chickensys web site, but will the latest chickensys now translate wav. files, mono and stereo, into Roland S-760 format? With loop points? Business is better but I'm still not at the point of buying new music software and hardware. Later this year, though ... Jesse Steve Schow wrote: > > Check out Chickensys.com translator. It translates a lot of different > sample formats....WITH parameters. I know they do Akai discs well. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 18:25:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:25:14 -0400 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:25:04 -0400 Received: from user-2ive098.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.1.40] helo=mindspring.com) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Myjv-0008J2-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:24:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3D18EDF6.78C63B96@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:25:58 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "P. Vermeeren" , Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Trigger Play function (old news but cool...?) References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BC@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> <002501c21c87$cb34e800$bc9d4bd5@ptr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk There was a page somewhere on the web about a guy who does solo performances triggering his S-550 samplers from his guitar (black Les Paul Custom as I recall). I don't remember much about it but I think he used the S-550 trigger function and not a MIDI controller. As I recall, he was just triggering loops and samples to get some kind of quirky industrial thing going. I guess he played straight guitar over that. I found this page searching for "Roland S-550" years ago; you might still be able to find it. Jesse "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > > Hi, > > By accident the S-550 manual opened up on page 144, which happens to > describe the Trigger Play feature. > > Just had some fun with it (I must say it triggers really well from guitar), > but it'd be cool - hmm, I mean it'd become really of use if it was possible > to influence the selected sample and it's pitch with some controller while > playing the triggering source. > > Anyone knows more ? Anybody found additional possibilities ? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 18:28:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-23893>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:28:14 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23893>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:28:08 -0400 Received: from user-2ive098.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.1.40] helo=mindspring.com) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17MydM-0003tW-00; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:18:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3D18EC5D.10FC80CF@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:19:09 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: FW: sgroup West LA Music and Roland CDROMs for 760 References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10C1@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > Can anyone comment on these? I'm pretty sure I will get Africa 2 but are any > others worth picking up? The one I use the most and can heartily recommend is Drums and Cymbals 1. This is most of the Roland percussion CD library so if you've got lots of Roland drum machines you've probably got lots of these sounds already, but there is tons of stuff here. Unfortunately you don't get that many drum kits already set up for you - to really get full value from this CD you'll have to listen to all the drums yourself and put your own drum kits together. I've never done it but you can save your own patches to floppy, leaving all the sample data on the CD. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 19:46:33 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-23893>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:46:24 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (hnmail01.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.156]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23893>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:46:14 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.225.155]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:43:48 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c21ca3$76d34740$9be14bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Jesse Segovia" , "Sampler Group" References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BC@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> <002501c21c87$cb34e800$bc9d4bd5@ptr> <3D18EDF6.78C63B96@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Trigger Play function (old news but cool...?) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:52:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I recall having seen this page a while ago, there was a picture indeed of his Les Paul etc. But until your message I didn't realize he must have been using the Wave Trigger function, thanks for the hint. It'd be nice to be able to switch samples - and this is of course possible using up/down footswitches, huh, connected to a cannibalized MU-1 :-) But I guess this extra wishing & possibilities goes a bit beyond the target, there of course more-up-to-date ways to do the variations - I'm just curious how far the S-550 Wave Trigger function could be brought. (I don't read the Sysex from the S550-manual too well so I have no idea what could be done here.) Bye, Peter PS More people having the feeling that older gear often had more 'strange' functions ? Maybe they're gone for a good reason, but still... Just to name a few with imho a twist: 'alternating looping' on S-330/550, 'expander' on Boss RCL-10, 'backward' guitar with Boss RPS-10 etc... - just an impression. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: P. Vermeeren ; Sampler Group Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:25 AM Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Trigger Play function (old news but cool...?) > There was a page somewhere on the web about a guy who does solo > performances triggering his S-550 samplers from his guitar (black Les > Paul Custom as I recall). I don't remember much about it but I think he > used the S-550 trigger function and not a MIDI controller. As I recall, > he was just triggering loops and samples to get some kind of quirky > industrial thing going. I guess he played straight guitar over that. > > I found this page searching for "Roland S-550" years ago; you might > still be able to find it. > > Jesse > > "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > By accident the S-550 manual opened up on page 144, which happens to > > describe the Trigger Play feature. > > > > Just had some fun with it (I must say it triggers really well from guitar), > > but it'd be cool - hmm, I mean it'd become really of use if it was possible > > to influence the selected sample and it's pitch with some controller while > > playing the triggering source. > > > > Anyone knows more ? Anybody found additional possibilities ? > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 25 23:02:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:02:47 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-23893>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:02:41 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5Q32aA82388 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:02:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bph.elan.net ([216.151.192.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4302>; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:51:32 -0400 Received: from rocketparkmusic.com (adsl-65-64-136-61.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net [65.64.136.61]) by bph.elan.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25108 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3D190333.823B09F9@rocketparkmusic.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:56:35 -0400 From: Brian Andrew Marek Organization: Rocket Park X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Trigger Play function (old news but cool...?) References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10BC@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> <002501c21c87$cb34e800$bc9d4bd5@ptr> <3D18EDF6.78C63B96@mindspring.com> <002201c21ca3$76d34740$9be14bd5@ptr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "P. Vermeeren" wrote: > More people having the feeling that older gear often had more 'strange' > functions ? Maybe they're gone for a good reason, but still... > > Just to name a few with imho a twist: 'alternating looping' on S-330/550, > 'expander' on Boss RCL-10, 'backward' guitar with Boss RPS-10 etc... > - just an impression. I personally always thought the alternating looping on the S-550 served a good purpose - if you are dealing with a constant but fluctuating tone of some sort, I think going back and forth over the same piece of time gives it a little more variation than just going forward over the same bit. Not to mention, in theory (to my mind, anyway), it would make sense that the loop points would be smoother, wouldn't it? BaM -- Find out more about Rocket Park at our web page: http://www.rocketparkmusic.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 06:46:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:46:01 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:45:58 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.97.208]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020626104551.HBDF5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:45:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c21cfd$a06e9320$d061580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , References: Subject: sgroup Re: [Roland-XV-5080] Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:38:33 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C21CDC.1786FAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C21CDC.1786FAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Jorge, Finally - A real response! Thanks for your time. I assume that since you = have an XV5080, the CDs you suggested are on par with the sounds = available in the XV5080. BTW, how many kits are available on the Double = Platinum Drums CD? I heard the demo and was somewhat impressed. The = INTERACTIVE DRUMS KITS AND SNARES has (I think) 11 kits. $200 is a lot = to pay for a measly 11 kits (no matter how they sound). Also, are all of = the kits on the Double Platinum drums all recorded dry? Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J=F6rgen Frejs=F6=20 To: 'Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:50 AM Subject: RE: [Roland-XV-5080] Okay - The Buck Stops Here. For drums I would recommend you to check out Double Platinum Drums = from Ilio, Platinum 24 Acoustic Drums from Wizoo and pure drums from yellow tool. For electric guitars I prefer the = Hans Zimmer guitars Vol 1 from spectrasonic and for acoustic guitar I prefer pure guitars from yellow tool. You should = be able to find mp3 demo's from all the titles=20 I suggested and after hearing those you can make your own decision on = what you're looking for. I don't know if all those titles are available in Roland format = though. Cheers /Jugge -----Original Message----- From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] Sent: den 26 juni 2002 00:00 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Roland_Equipment@yahoogroups.com; Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Roland-XV-5080] Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Hey Everyone. I'm ready to roll with the big boys. I've finally saved up $200 and am = ready to buy a real sample CD without the compromise. I'm looking for a CD = that has MULTISAMPLES (And only multisamples - Absolutely NO LOOPS where applicable) of Acoustic Drums and Funky Strat Guitars. The quality of = the drums should be comparable to the SRX01 Dynamic Drum Board for the = XV5080 developed by spectrasonics. The funky (strat, clean) guitars need to = sound Prince/John Scofield/Late 70 - Early 80s like. There are some similar patches on the Roland SC880 Clean Guitar selection. I'm NOT looking for LOOPS!!!! So CDs where the majority of the stuff = are loops need not be suggested. I'm a musician and don't need someone = else to make my music for me. I'd appreciate the help if possible. = Spectrasonics' VINTAGE TIME TRAVELER looks like a good contender (with it's funky = guitars and realistic vintage velocity switchable drums).=20 I'm really looking for the Roland format as the Akai Conversion = utility on the S760 works, but isn't stellar. I'd really appreciate as much help = from you all as possible. I've heard demos of certain things, but these are = often void of any real applications and we usually don't hear patches soloed = to see what they are capable of individually. Thanks, Harold BTW - The LCDP-02 Guitar & Bass Sample CD ROM from Roland is a = complete waste of money!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Roland-XV-5080-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Hey Jorge,
 
Finally - A real response! Thanks for = your time. I=20 assume that since you have an XV5080, the CDs you suggested are on par = with the=20 sounds available in the XV5080. BTW, how many kits are available on the = Double=20 Platinum Drums CD? I heard the demo and was somewhat impressed. The = INTERACTIVE=20 DRUMS KITS AND SNARES has (I think) 11 kits. $200 is a lot to pay for a = measly=20 11 kits (no matter how they sound). Also, are all of the kits on the = Double=20 Platinum drums all recorded dry?
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J=F6rgen Frejs=F6
To: 'Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com'=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 = 5:50=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Roland-XV-5080] = Okay - The=20 Buck Stops Here.

For drums I would recommend you to check out Double = Platinum Drums from
Ilio, Platinum 24 Acoustic Drums from = Wizoo
and pure=20 drums from yellow tool. For electric guitars I prefer the = Hans
Zimmer=20 guitars Vol 1 from spectrasonic and
for acoustic guitar I prefer = pure=20 guitars from yellow tool. You should be
able to find mp3 demo's = from all=20 the titles
I suggested and after hearing those you can make your = own=20 decision on what
you're looking for.
I don't know if all those = titles=20 are available in Roland format=20 though.
Cheers
/Jugge


-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: = den 26=20 juni 2002 00:00
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca;=20 = Roland_Equipment@yahoogroups.com;
Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com
Su= bject:=20 [Roland-XV-5080] Okay - The Buck Stops Here.


Hey=20 Everyone.

I'm ready to roll with the big boys. I've finally = saved up=20 $200 and am ready
to buy a real sample CD without the compromise. = I'm=20 looking for a CD that
has MULTISAMPLES (And only multisamples - = Absolutely=20 NO LOOPS where
applicable) of Acoustic Drums and Funky Strat = Guitars. The=20 quality of the
drums should be comparable to the SRX01 Dynamic Drum = Board=20 for the XV5080
developed by spectrasonics. The funky (strat, clean) = guitars=20 need to sound
Prince/John Scofield/Late 70 - Early 80s like. There = are some=20 similar
patches on the Roland SC880 Clean Guitar = selection.

I'm NOT=20 looking for LOOPS!!!! So CDs where the majority of the stuff = are
loops need=20 not be suggested. I'm a musician and don't need someone else = to
make my=20 music for me. I'd appreciate the help if possible. = Spectrasonics'
VINTAGE=20 TIME TRAVELER looks like a good contender (with it's funky = guitars
and=20 realistic vintage velocity switchable drums).

I'm really = looking for=20 the Roland format as the Akai Conversion utility on
the S760 works, = but=20 isn't stellar. I'd really appreciate as much help from
you all as = possible.=20 I've heard demos of certain things, but these are often
void of any = real=20 applications and we usually don't hear patches soloed to
see what = they are=20 capable of individually.

Thanks,
Harold

BTW - The = LCDP-02=20 Guitar & Bass Sample CD ROM from Roland is a complete
waste of=20 money!!


[Non-text portions of this message have been=20 removed]



To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C21CDC.1786FAA0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 10:42:40 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:42:33 -0400 Received: from smtp.infolink.com.br ([200.187.64.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:42:29 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (200-187-67-163.dialup.rjo.infolink.com.br [200.187.67.163]) by smtp.infolink.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id 36A6DA4C07 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:42:19 -0300 (BRT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:46:24 -0400 From: Fabio FZer0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Message-Id: <20020626114624.4675db3e.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> In-Reply-To: <003201c21c93$a0aa97e0$5253580c@epu1> References: <003201c21c93$a0aa97e0$5253580c@epu1> Organization: Gerador Zero X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Harold Everton, Jr." disse: > I'm NOT looking for LOOPS!!!! So CDs where the majority of the stuff are > loops need not be suggested. I'm a musician and don't need someone else > to make my music for me. Now that's what i call prejudice. Drumloops are incredibly useful, specially if you're a creative musician and spend some time chopping and rearranging them. As everything in a drumloop has the same equalization and overall feel, re-arranged loops often sound more natural than sampled drumkits. It just takes a litle more time to chop and play with the pieces, but as you are a *musician* and certainly not a lazy person who lets othe people play for you, this should be no problem at all. []s FZ ----------------------------------------- Fabio FZer0 Rio de Janeiro - Brasil www.geradorzero.com /404 /null - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 10:46:57 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:46:48 -0400 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:46:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 11492 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 14:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?64.81.118.51?) ([64.81.118.51]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jun 2002 14:46:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: omz23@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020626114624.4675db3e.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> References: <003201c21c93$a0aa97e0$5253580c@epu1> <20020626114624.4675db3e.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:48:44 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >"Harold Everton, Jr." disse: > >> I'm NOT looking for LOOPS!!!! So CDs where the majority of the stuff are >> loops need not be suggested. I'm a musician and don't need someone else >> to make my music for me. > >Now that's what i call prejudice. Drumloops are incredibly useful, >specially if you're a creative musician and spend some time chopping and >rearranging them. As everything in a drumloop has the same equalization >and overall feel, re-arranged loops often sound more natural than sampled >drumkits. It just takes a litle more time to chop and play with the >pieces, but as you are a *musician* and certainly not a lazy person who >lets othe people play for you, this should be no problem at all. Well i'm glad someone spoke up...i think loops can be incredibly useful, especially if you do spend some time chopping them up. -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 10:58:34 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18295>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:58:24 -0400 Received: from mail.cwjamaica.com ([200.10.152.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18295>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:58:21 -0400 Received: from [208.163.44.31] by mail.cwjamaica.com with ESMTP id <20020626135655.PZMN1946.mail@[208.163.44.31]>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:56:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp//richardsven.com@pop3.postoffice.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003201c21c93$a0aa97e0$5253580c@epu1> <20020626114624.4675db3e.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:01:33 -0400 To: omz , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 11:48 am -0400 26/6/2002, omz wrote: >>"Harold Everton, Jr." disse: >> >>> I'm NOT looking for LOOPS!!!! So CDs where the majority of the stuff are >>> loops need not be suggested. I'm a musician and don't need someone else >>> to make my music for me. >> >>Now that's what i call prejudice. Drumloops are incredibly useful, >>specially if you're a creative musician and spend some time chopping and >>rearranging them. As everything in a drumloop has the same equalization >>and overall feel, re-arranged loops often sound more natural than sampled >>drumkits. It just takes a litle more time to chop and play with the >>pieces, but as you are a *musician* and certainly not a lazy person who >>lets othe people play for you, this should be no problem at all. > >Well i'm glad someone spoke up...i think loops can be incredibly >useful, especially if you do spend some time chopping them up. >-- > I too felt exactly the way Harold feels about loops, until one of the manufacturers told me to give them a try again, and I must tell you, that I can't live without them myself. Think of them as hiring a drummer for a studio session. With Groove Control from Ilio and Products like Recycle you can do so much personalising of loops, and at least for me, I could never program drops like a real drummer in a loop.... however I still feel the same way as Harold does about Guitar, Keyboard or Bass Loops and still insist on playing those myself. I guess it depends on what instrument you think you are competent at. rsp -- richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" Please note NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: rsp@richardsven.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 11:06:20 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18295>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:06:11 -0400 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18295>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:06:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 5889 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2002 15:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?64.81.118.51?) ([64.81.118.51]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jun 2002 15:06:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: omz23@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <003201c21c93$a0aa97e0$5253580c@epu1> <20020626114624.4675db3e.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:08:16 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I too felt exactly the way Harold feels about loops, until one of >the manufacturers told me to give them a try again, and I must tell >you, that I can't live without them myself. Think of them as hiring >a drummer for a studio session. With Groove Control from Ilio and >Products like Recycle you can do so much personalising of loops, and >at least for me, I could never program drops like a real drummer in >a loop.... >rsp >-- >richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com >876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice >876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" yeah, anyone who thinks drum loops are limiting has probably never used Recycle...the possibilities are endless... -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 11:22:04 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-18295>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:21:54 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18295>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:21:51 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.80.54]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020626152141.NFMU5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:21:41 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c21d24$2833b260$3650580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , References: <003201c21c93$a0aa97e0$5253580c@epu1><20020626114624.4675db3e.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:14:22 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C21D02.9F90C400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C21D02.9F90C400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey People, I used to mess with Loops from all types of synths, keyboards and = computer programs from the old Roland TR808 to the Yamaha PSR-500M, all = the way to the Recycle programs that were in use in my College Music = Studio. Just like Jimmy Jam would say (and yes, he does use loops) - "I = don't want to get in there". Synth programming to get that "sound" is = one thing, but not with loops. I don't want anyone else to have credit = on my material. I'm also a drummer in addition to a pianist, so I don't = need the handicap. I'm not crazy about ready-made loops - Sorry. If I = ever mess with loops, it's because they're my loops and I made them from = scratch.=20 However, no loop could EVER match a real drummer, from different fills = everytime, to slight sped up and slowed down variations in playing, you = just can't get it, even with Recycle. However, I am a huge 80s fan, when = drum machines were rampant, but that's a whole other story. If I want a = mechanical feel, I'll break out the TR909, 808, Linn (or whatever drum = machine) and program/record the loop myself. However, the fact remains that I didn't ask for an argument on loops, = rather for advice on Drum Sample CDs since I saved up the money. I got = the advice already, so thank you. Later, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: omz To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. > >I too felt exactly the way Harold feels about loops, until one of=20 > >the manufacturers told me to give them a try again, and I must tell=20 > >you, that I can't live without them myself. Think of them as hiring=20 > >a drummer for a studio session. With Groove Control from Ilio and=20 > >Products like Recycle you can do so much personalising of loops, and=20 > >at least for me, I could never program drops like a real drummer in=20 > >a loop.... > >rsp > >-- > >richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com > >876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice > >876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" >=20 > yeah, anyone who thinks drum loops are limiting has probably never=20 > used Recycle...the possibilities are endless... >=20 > --=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- > omz >=20 > beautamous loaf recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C21D02.9F90C400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey People,
 
I used to mess with Loops from all = types of synths,=20 keyboards and computer programs from the old Roland TR808 to the Yamaha=20 PSR-500M, all the way to the Recycle programs that were in use in my = College=20 Music Studio. Just like Jimmy Jam would say (and yes, he does use loops) = - "I=20 don't want to get in there". Synth programming to get that "sound" is = one thing,=20 but not with loops. I don't want anyone else to have credit on my = material. I'm=20 also a drummer in addition to a pianist, so I don't need the handicap. = I'm not=20 crazy about ready-made loops - Sorry. If I ever mess with loops, = it's=20 because they're my loops and I made them from scratch.
 
However, no loop could EVER match a = real drummer,=20 from different fills everytime, to slight sped up and slowed down = variations in=20 playing, you just can't get it, even with Recycle. However, I am a huge = 80s fan,=20 when drum machines were rampant, but that's a whole other story. If I = want a=20 mechanical feel, I'll break out the TR909, 808, Linn (or whatever drum = machine)=20 and program/record the loop myself.
 
However, the fact remains that I didn't = ask for an=20 argument on loops, rather for advice on Drum Sample CDs since I saved up = the=20 money. I got the advice already, so thank you.
 
Later,
Harold
 
 
 
 
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From: omz <omz23@speakeasy.net>
To: <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:08=20 PM
Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck = Stops=20 Here.

> >I too felt exactly = the way=20 Harold feels about loops, until one of
> >the manufacturers = told me to=20 give them a try again, and I must tell
> >you, that I can't = live=20 without them myself. Think of them as hiring
> >a drummer for = a studio=20 session. With Groove Control from Ilio and
> >Products like = Recycle=20 you can do so much personalising of loops, and
> >at least for = me, I=20 could never program drops like a real drummer in
> >a = loop....
>=20 >rsp
> >--
> >richard sven=20 patterson          &nbs= p;       =20 rsp@richardsven.com
>=20 >876-924-2898         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;     =20 "to fight for truth, justice
> >876-925-1247=20 (fax)           &n= bsp;          =20 and the analytical way"
>
> yeah, anyone who thinks drum = loops are=20 limiting has probably never
> used Recycle...the possibilities = are=20 endless...
>
> --
>
>
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> ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C21D02.9F90C400-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 11:22:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-18295>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:22:05 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-18295>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:21:54 -0400 Received: from user-2ive156.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.4.166] helo=mindspring.com) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17NEc7-00078T-00; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:21:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3D19DC4D.2F493C8E@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:22:53 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: omz CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. References: <003201c21c93$a0aa97e0$5253580c@epu1> <20020626114624.4675db3e.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I guess it's like anything else - the more you put into it the more you get out. Unfortunately, with lots of today's producers the intent is to make things sound looped and artificial. Just like the human eye knows when it's seeing the same thing duped over and over again, the human ear can recognize the same sound over and over again, and I really don't like that effect. Of course I'm talking about loop-based music in general like technica, and not just drum loops with live guitar, keys & vox on top. Does anyone have any real-sounding examples of this they can point to? Personally I used to play real drums and I would still rather challenge myself by doing my own rhythm tracks from scratch, even with a sequencer and a sampler or drum machine, than use other people's loops. Judging from the demos there are some great sounding loop CDs out there, but why not take the same time you'd spend chopping them up and re-do the beats and fills with your own equipment? Jesse omz wrote: > > >I too felt exactly the way Harold feels about loops, until one of > >the manufacturers told me to give them a try again, and I must tell > >you, that I can't live without them myself. Think of them as hiring > >a drummer for a studio session. With Groove Control from Ilio and > >Products like Recycle you can do so much personalising of loops, and > >at least for me, I could never program drops like a real drummer in > >a loop.... > >rsp > >-- > yeah, anyone who thinks drum loops are limiting has probably never > used Recycle...the possibilities are endless... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 11:50:04 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:49:55 -0400 Received: from thebe (thebe.your-site.com [140.186.45.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18295>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:49:45 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (12-249-58-103.client.attbi.com [12.249.58.103]) by thebe (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CF22DA9B for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:49:40 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:49:40 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. From: aeon To: Roland Sampler List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c21d24$2833b260$3650580c@epu1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I don't want anyone else to have credit on my material. Then don't use loops as-is...extract hits that you like and program away...it will be all yours. > I'm not crazy about ready-made loops - Sorry. no need to apologize...whatever works for you! I don't think anyone really like ready-made loops...I know I don't! One thing I do like about loops though is the fact that I will get 2-3 variations of a bassdrum/snare/hat per bar, so that I can keep variations that make a newly-programmed rhythm breathe. > If I ever mess with loops, it's because they're my > loops and I made them from scratch. Fair enough, but I think you are denying yourself a trememdous creative and timbral source. > However, no loop could EVER match a real drummer, from different fills > everytime, to slight sped up and slowed down variations in playing, you just > can't get it, even with Recycle. Really? Hmm, I guess my copy of ReCycle must be a special version then! I get lovely fills and tempo variations from it and a good bit of source material. > However, I am a huge 80s fan, when drum > machines were rampant, but that's a whole other story. If I want a mechanical > feel, I'll break out the TR909, 808, Linn (or whatever drum machine) and > program/record the loop myself. Yeah, I must admit, I have really been enjoying the Elektron Machinedrum SPS-1. :) > However, the fact remains that I didn't ask for an argument on loops, rather > for advice on Drum Sample CDs since I saved up the money. I got the advice > already, so thank you. Well, perhaps you are hearing about loops again for a couple of reasons: 1. They satisfy the need for single hits *and* something else. 2. The market has overwhelmingly chosen loop-based + hit CDs as its preferred format, so getting quality "hit only" CDs is going to be difficult. Why not look into something like a Groove Control drum CD?...you get everything in one go...all the loops, all the loops as MIDI files, and all the sounds from the loops as hits. I mean, I understand your dislike for canned loops...but a creative musician can make some dope beats from the kind of products that are out there today. cheers, aeon - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 12:23:29 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:23:22 -0400 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com ([65.24.0.112]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:23:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (grv230021.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.21]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g5QGN9927263 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:23:08 -0400 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11042328.20020626122308@columbus.rr.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Loops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Unless you play all of your instruments, someone is making your music for you. Right now I'm between drummers. Loops are just like hiring a drummer. I can ask for and get exactly what I want. Additionally, the feel is real. I've even fooled some drummers. They couldn't believe that it wasn't a real person. It's nice to have a snare that doesn't sound exactly the same with every hit. Or to have a pattern play on the front of a beat and then shift to dead on the beat. It's a natural sound. I tend to think of myself more of a composer/musician. My loop library is my orchestra. IMHO, those who are anti-loop seem to follow the same logic as those who said that digital recording was bad, or that hip-hop isn't music, or that only classical music is real, or that there's no room for synthesizers--only pianos and organs. The only truth I can see is that there is no right/wrong or good/bad. Len "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead (Change starts here: http://www.ishmael.com/origins/Ishmael/) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 26 12:49:55 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:49:47 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18294>; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:49:43 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:46:53 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10C8@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Un-canned Loop suggestions Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:53:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I think canned loops are fine though I feel a little guilty when I use one. The end justifies the means. I am mainly a guitar player with good knowledge of music theory and how most other instruments work. Not being trained as a drummer I have to rely on various methods to put drums on my stuff, short of having my drummer buds play on it, which has it's own problems. I sometimes create loops on a drum machine/module then sample at lo-fi (15kHz on my old S220 or 16 kHz on my S760) to make it less machine-sounding. A little eq etc should give good results. This can also be done with pad-triggers. I've had a drummer colleague do a double-take when I played something recorded with my R8m Jazz Brush card. Good sounding unit. I can't do fast paradiddles or triple ratamacues, but I can play a little drums and have decent time and feel. I've had an old Sonor set for about 15 years so I sometimes record a few minutes of a groove to digital multitrack. This gives me options to process the sounds with compression etc, then I sample the "good" sections in stereo (or mono) for looping. I also have several colleagues who play drums (for real) and as I've made multitrack recordings with them I sometimes isolate their parts and use this material for sampling/looping. These loops never sound quite as good as the studio-produced stuff done with $10,000+ microphones, but they're mine. I've had my 760 for one month and I've already downloaded (free) or created enough sample material to keep me busy for what could be forever. Not to mention my own collection of sample-worthy instruments like Simmons SDS9 brain, Korg Poly6, EH Mini-Synth, clav, rhodes, sop sax, flutes, etc. I also play guitar in a big band, and having a recorder handy I can get all kinds of great material during rehearsals. I plan to write some section stuff and get them to play it while I record it, then take it home and sample. I also carry a small Sony digital recorder for any interesting sound that I may come across. Q: If I could just find a decent bunch of East Indian instrument samples I'd be set for life...Is the Ethnic card for R8 what it's cracked up to be? It sells for as much as $200. Ralph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 00:36:02 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:35:55 -0400 Received: from web13105.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.150]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193715-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:35:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20020627043543.22252.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.24.94.11] by web13105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:35:43 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:35:43 -0400 From: DJ boomstick Subject: sgroup Re: director s To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <20020516035925.13041.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --- DJ boomstick wrote: > hi > i still have those 2 copies of director s for s330 & 1 for the > s50 in the wearhouse where i work. full origionals > with > manualls and everything still shrink wraped from > roland. if your interested call 585-544-3500 between > 1pm and 9pm est any weekday & ask for jeff. or email houseofguitars@earthlink.net > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 06:57:13 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:57:06 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.47]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:56:56 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.85.37]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020627105650.UYVM19902.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:56:50 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c21dc8$514f2040$2555580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , References: <11042328.20020626122308@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Loops Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:49:29 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C21DA6.C910E720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C21DA6.C910E720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Gaffa, I think trying to link this with Hip-Hop and Digital Recording = (especially with the reasons that I gave) is somewhat unscholarly. I say = this not to offend, but because I didn't say that loops were in general = bad (although I try to even stay away from those at all costs). I said = that having to use other peoples loops are. That argument would hold = well to current Hip-Hop which I don't like. I hate 4 and 8 bar loops. In = the early 90s and 80s, while Hip-Hop producers were sampling and using = loops, they were usually loops that THEY created, or put together = themselves by using a whole bunch of different source material. My argument is against canned loops. Unlike those who dislike loops and = certain genres and then try to downplay them entirely, I'm just saying = that loops ARE NOT my thing. I don't have a problems with those who use = them, I just don't want to have anything to do with them in my music = whatsoever. I enjoy creating my material from the ground up. And FYI, I = can play all of the instruments that I use in my recordings, but since I = have crappy studio acoustics and not so great mics/pre-amps, I prefer to = use my synths/sampler for the recordings. I also love my keys and the = flexibility that comes along with using them. Later, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gaffa To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: sgroup Loops >=20 > Unless you play all of your instruments, someone is making your > music for you. Right now I'm between drummers. Loops are just > like hiring a drummer. I can ask for and get exactly what I want. > Additionally, the feel is real. I've even fooled some drummers. > They couldn't believe that it wasn't a real person. It's nice to > have a snare that doesn't sound exactly the same with every hit. > Or to have a pattern play on the front of a beat and then shift > to dead on the beat. It's a natural sound. I tend to think of > myself more of a composer/musician. My loop library is my orchestra. >=20 > IMHO, those who are anti-loop seem to follow the same logic as those > who said that digital recording was bad, or that hip-hop isn't music, > or that only classical music is real, or that there's no room for > synthesizers--only pianos and organs. The only truth I can see is > that there is no right/wrong or good/bad. > =20 >=20 > Len=20 >=20 > "Never doubt that a small group of committed people can > change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." = --Margaret Mead > (Change starts here: http://www.ishmael.com/origins/Ishmael/) >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C21DA6.C910E720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Gaffa,
 
I think trying to link this with = Hip-Hop and=20 Digital Recording (especially with the reasons that I gave) is somewhat=20 unscholarly. I say this not to offend, but because I didn't say that = loops were=20 in general bad (although I try to even stay away from those at all = costs). I=20 said that having to use other peoples loops are. That argument would = hold well=20 to current Hip-Hop which I don't like. I hate 4 and 8 bar loops. In the = early=20 90s and 80s, while Hip-Hop producers were sampling and using loops, they = were=20 usually loops that THEY created, or put together themselves by using a = whole=20 bunch of different source material.
 
My argument is against canned loops. = Unlike those=20 who dislike loops and certain genres and then try to downplay them = entirely, I'm=20 just saying that loops ARE NOT my thing. I don't have a problems with = those who=20 use them, I just don't want to have anything to do with them in my music = whatsoever. I enjoy creating my material from the ground up. And FYI, I = can play=20 all of the instruments that I use in my recordings, but since I have = crappy=20 studio acoustics and not so great mics/pre-amps, I prefer to use my=20 synths/sampler for the recordings. I also love my keys and the = flexibility that=20 comes along with using them.
 
Later,
Harold
 
 
 
 
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From: Gaffa <gaffa@columbus.rr.com>
To: <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:23=20 PM
Subject: sgroup = Loops

>
> Unless you play = all of your=20 instruments, someone is making your
> music for you.  Right = now I'm=20 between drummers.  Loops are just
> like hiring a = drummer.  I=20 can ask for and get exactly what I want.
> Additionally, the feel = is=20 real.  I've even fooled some drummers.
> They couldn't = believe that=20 it wasn't a real person.  It's nice to
> have a snare that = doesn't=20 sound exactly the same with every hit.
> Or to have a pattern play = on the=20 front of a beat and then shift
> to dead on the beat.  It's a = natural=20 sound.  I tend to think of
> myself more of a=20 composer/musician.  My loop library is my orchestra.
> =
> IMHO,=20 those who are anti-loop seem to follow the same logic as those
> = who said=20 that digital recording was bad, or that hip-hop isn't music,
> or = that=20 only classical music is real, or that there's no room for
>=20 synthesizers--only pianos and organs.  The only truth I can see = is
>=20 that there is no right/wrong or good/bad.
>  
> =
> Len=20
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of committed people=20 can
>  change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that = ever=20 has."  --Margaret Mead
>  (Change starts here: http://www.ishmael.com/= origins/Ishmael/)
>=20
>
>
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> ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C21DA6.C910E720-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 07:02:47 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:02:38 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.47]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:02:33 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.85.37]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020627110230.VAFG19902.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:02:30 +0000 Message-ID: <002801c21dc9$1c170d60$2555580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:55:10 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey Aeon, I understand where you are coming from, but I don't like "Beats". In fact, when I "program" drums - It's usually me pressing [record] on the sequencer, and me using my Roland Octapad to physically play the drum track, in effect using the XP60 as a multitrack. When I finish with that, I overdub any other percussion with the Octapad or play it live using my congas, timbales, etc. I'm just not into loops. If I was to use loops, I'd have to overdub physical auxiliary percussion on top of it. I'm sorry, canned doesn't work, and rather than spend time at the PC or sampler "extracting" this and "programming" that, I could have a whole track recorded by the time you finish booting your program. No offense - I'm going to keep on searching for that fantastic hit CD, or keep saving money until I can get an XV5080 with that Drum card. Later, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: aeon To: Roland Sampler List Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. > > I don't want anyone else to have credit on my material. > > Then don't use loops as-is...extract hits that you like and program > away...it will be all yours. > > > I'm not crazy about ready-made loops - Sorry. > > no need to apologize...whatever works for you! I don't think anyone really > like ready-made loops...I know I don't! > > One thing I do like about loops though is the fact that I will get 2-3 > variations of a bassdrum/snare/hat per bar, so that I can keep variations > that make a newly-programmed rhythm breathe. > > > If I ever mess with loops, it's because they're my > > loops and I made them from scratch. > > Fair enough, but I think you are denying yourself a trememdous creative and > timbral source. > > > However, no loop could EVER match a real drummer, from different fills > > everytime, to slight sped up and slowed down variations in playing, you just > > can't get it, even with Recycle. > > Really? Hmm, I guess my copy of ReCycle must be a special version then! I > get lovely fills and tempo variations from it and a good bit of source > material. > > > However, I am a huge 80s fan, when drum > > machines were rampant, but that's a whole other story. If I want a mechanical > > feel, I'll break out the TR909, 808, Linn (or whatever drum machine) and > > program/record the loop myself. > > Yeah, I must admit, I have really been enjoying the Elektron Machinedrum > SPS-1. :) > > > However, the fact remains that I didn't ask for an argument on loops, rather > > for advice on Drum Sample CDs since I saved up the money. I got the advice > > already, so thank you. > > Well, perhaps you are hearing about loops again for a couple of reasons: > > 1. They satisfy the need for single hits *and* something else. > > 2. The market has overwhelmingly chosen loop-based + hit CDs as its > preferred format, so getting quality "hit only" CDs is going to be > difficult. > > Why not look into something like a Groove Control drum CD?...you get > everything in one go...all the loops, all the loops as MIDI files, and all > the sounds from the loops as hits. > > I mean, I understand your dislike for canned loops...but a creative musician > can make some dope beats from the kind of products that are out there today. > > > cheers, > aeon > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 07:42:54 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:42:45 -0400 Received: from smtp.infolink.com.br ([200.187.64.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:42:42 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (200-187-68-52.dialup.rjo.infolink.com.br [200.187.68.52]) by smtp.infolink.com.br (Postfix) with SMTP id E873EA4C23 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:42:38 -0300 (BRT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:46:51 -0400 From: Fabio FZer0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Message-Id: <20020627084651.6b2faa52.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> In-Reply-To: <002801c21dc9$1c170d60$2555580c@epu1> References: <002801c21dc9$1c170d60$2555580c@epu1> Organization: Gerador Zero X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Harold Everton, Jr." disse: > Hey Aeon, > > I understand where you are coming from, but I don't like "Beats". In > fact, when I "program" drums - It's usually me pressing [record] on the > sequencer, and me using my Roland Octapad to physically play the drum > track, in effect using the XP60 as a multitrack. When I finish with > that, I overdub any other percussion with the Octapad or play it live > using my congas, timbales, etc. I undertsand, but to do it that way i'd record live drums. Real live drums, with skins, cymbals sticks and all else. I'm a drummer too and you simply can't reproduce all the sounds you can make on a kit - no matter how good is the drum synth/sample CD. BUT (and there's always a but!) i really like to go to a studio, record a few hours of improvisation and then edit loops just like i do with othe regular loops. But then i'll go the pother way: taking the live, real, natural sound and mangling it into a surreal pitchshifted/timestretched monster. Sounds good (think Warp label), specially when the room has a nice ambience. But i see your line of work is different, and i respect that. > No offense - I'm going to keep on searching for that fantastic hit CD, > or keep saving money until I can get an XV5080 with that Drum card. I'd save money and buy a real drumkit. ----------------------------------------- Fabio FZer0 Rio de Janeiro - Brasil www.geradorzero.com /404 /null - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 08:30:30 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:30:23 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:30:17 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5RCU2Y89802 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:30:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:27:43 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-28-46.tnt3.me2.uunet.de [149.225.28.46]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA02132 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:27:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D1ACAB5.1FF3F448@cityweb.de> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:20:04 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: AW: sgroup Hello / CONGA SAMPLES solution References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9924@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ullrich Peter wrote: > > Hallo Ingo! > > >Speaking of conga, are there nice free conga samples out there? I find > >that most conga sample collections don't offer all playing techniques. > > Have a look at the PC software Percussion Studio! > > It is a nice software for programming drum patterns and also complete > songs via a simple note editing language known by many percussion > teachers. You can export the drumloops or songs as stereo wave files > that can be sampled by your sampler! > > And on this page there are a lot of instruments sets with different > drum hits (bass, tone, slap, flam,...) that can be used. > My percussion teacher Andre Varkony also made some of the sample sets. > You can play around with the demo version but you can not edit > instrument sets. But it is only 25$!!! > > Have a look at it! It's worth it! > > http://members.1012surfnet.at/henry.kellner/PercussionStudio/index.html Too bad, I'm on Mac. But it seems you guessed what I need the conga samples for. I'm learning to play conga at the moment. Out of curiousity I downloaded one of the .ins files, thinking perhaps I could convert them to S-760. But the format seems to be strange. Is it documented? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 08:44:10 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:44:01 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:43:55 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:43:51 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:43:51 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: sgroup Hello / CONGA SAMPLES solution X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:43:50 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B994B@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: sgroup Hello / CONGA SAMPLES solution Thread-Index: AcId1naOMUWImB0bTcOeNZyS4Tvc9gAAdK4A From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Ingo Debus" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2002 12:43:51.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A0BBD60:01C21DD8] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo Ingo! >> Have a look at the PC software Percussion Studio! >> = http://members.1012surfnet.at/henry.kellner/PercussionStudio/index.html > >Too bad, I'm on Mac. :-( Sorry for you... >But it seems you guessed what I need the conga samples for. I'm = learning >to play conga at the moment. For this purpose this program would have been nice.. My percussion teacher made a audio cd for learning playing the conga... http://www.andre-varkonyi.at/a.varkonyi/index.html Here is another site from the programmer of the Purcussion Studio with=20 Realaudio files of Percussion played live... http://hkellner.virtualave.net/whg25.html >Out of curiousity I downloaded one of the .ins files, thinking perhaps = I >could convert them to S-760. But the format seems to be strange. Is it documented? I don' t think so... But maybe you can find someone with a lot of time to make wavefiles with = the percussion studio software. But my time is very limited - sorry. Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. 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From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 09:34:08 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193718-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:33:59 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193717-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:33:51 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.85.37]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020627133349.PZYN5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:33:49 +0000 Message-ID: <004801c21dde$3f9b9020$2555580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: "Fabio FZer0" , , References: <002801c21dc9$1c170d60$2555580c@epu1> <20020627084651.6b2faa52.fzlistas@infolink.com.br> Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:26:20 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey Fabio, I have a real drum kit, it just sucks. I also hate recording kits and love the variety of sounds available on sets like the SRX Drum Board. Editing loops that you made by yourself though with a real kit sounds interesting. Later, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Fabio FZer0 To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. > "Harold Everton, Jr." disse: > > > Hey Aeon, > > > > I understand where you are coming from, but I don't like "Beats". In > > fact, when I "program" drums - It's usually me pressing [record] on the > > sequencer, and me using my Roland Octapad to physically play the drum > > track, in effect using the XP60 as a multitrack. When I finish with > > that, I overdub any other percussion with the Octapad or play it live > > using my congas, timbales, etc. > > I undertsand, but to do it that way i'd record live drums. Real live > drums, with skins, cymbals sticks and all else. I'm a drummer too and you > simply can't reproduce all the sounds you can make on a kit - no matter > how good is the drum synth/sample CD. > > BUT (and there's always a but!) i really like to go to a studio, record a > few hours of improvisation and then edit loops just like i do with othe > regular loops. But then i'll go the pother way: taking the live, real, > natural sound and mangling it into a surreal pitchshifted/timestretched > monster. Sounds good (think Warp label), specially when the room has a > nice ambience. But i see your line of work is different, and i respect > that. > > > No offense - I'm going to keep on searching for that fantastic hit CD, > > or keep saving money until I can get an XV5080 with that Drum card. > > I'd save money and buy a real drumkit. > > ----------------------------------------- > Fabio FZer0 > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil > > www.geradorzero.com > /404 /null > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 10:02:46 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193719-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:02:37 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193718-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:02:31 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:57:15 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10CC@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup RE: Percussion studio Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:03:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >>> Have a look at the PC software Percussion Studio! >>> >http://members.1012surfnet.at/henry.kellner/PercussionStudio/index.html I have the demo - this is an excellent program! It takes 2 secs to install. Ralph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 10:44:19 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:44:09 -0400 Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:44:04 -0400 Received: from [207.253.108.238] ([207.253.108.238]) by relais.videotron.ca (Videotron-Netscape Messaging Server v4.15 MTA-PRD5) with ESMTP id GYDCXE02.2SJ for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:44:02 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:44:00 -0400 Subject: Re: AW: AW: sgroup Hello / CONGA SAMPLES solution From: "R.Lemay" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B994B@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I don't really see what that product represent in term of novelty. Any MIDI based sample player can do the trick. It is just a matter of getting the right MIDI track in. Why not use your S sampler as a sound module? Or a drum machine? Did I miss something here? How about the old 'n plain Cubase? Richard > From: "Ullrich Peter" > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:43:50 -0400 > To: "Ingo Debus" , > Subject: AW: AW: sgroup Hello / CONGA SAMPLES solution > > Hallo Ingo! > >>> Have a look at the PC software Percussion Studio! >>> http://members.1012surfnet.at/henry.kellner/PercussionStudio/index.html >> >> Too bad, I'm on Mac. > > :-( Sorry for you... > >> But it seems you guessed what I need the conga samples for. I'm learning >> to play conga at the moment. > > For this purpose this program would have been nice.. > My percussion teacher made a audio cd for learning playing the conga... > > http://www.andre-varkonyi.at/a.varkonyi/index.html > > Here is another site from the programmer of the Purcussion Studio with > Realaudio files of Percussion played live... > > http://hkellner.virtualave.net/whg25.html > >> Out of curiousity I downloaded one of the .ins files, thinking perhaps I >> could convert them to S-760. But the format seems to be strange. Is it > documented? > > I don' t think so... > > But maybe you can find someone with a lot of time to make wavefiles with the > percussion studio software. > But my time is very limited - sorry. > > Ciao > Peter > > \|/ > (o o) > --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ > Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net > Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich > .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician > ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria > ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- > \_) ) / > (_/ > > This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are confidential, > protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named > recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, copying, > distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you are not the intended recipient, please inform us immediately, delete this > e-mail and all attachments from your system, and refrain from taking any other > action in reliance to this e-mail. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 11:30:06 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:29:58 -0400 Received: from thebe (thebe.your-site.com [140.186.45.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:29:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (12-249-58-103.client.attbi.com [12.249.58.103]) by thebe (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E692DB53; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:29:49 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:29:50 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. From: aeon To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , Roland Sampler List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c21dc9$1c170d60$2555580c@epu1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I understand where you are coming from, but I don't like "Beats". In fact, > when I "program" drums - It's usually me pressing [record] on the sequencer, > and me using my Roland Octapad to physically play the drum track, in effect > using the XP60 as a multitrack. When I finish with that, I overdub any other > percussion with the Octapad or play it live using my congas, timbales, etc. Oh, nice...I basically do the same thing using a Roland SPD-8 octapad. ;) > I'm just not into loops. If I was to use loops, I'd have to overdub physical > auxiliary percussion on top of it. I'm sorry, canned doesn't work Agreed, and again, no need to apologize...I don't like canned loops either. > rather than spend time at the PC or sampler "extracting" this and > "programming" that, I could have a whole track recorded by the time you > finish booting your program. That doesn't address the point that there is a boatload of fantastic hits contained in those loops. Second, your statement makes me wonder if you have really spent any time exploring the use of a program like ReCycle...it is largely automatic - I can open a loop, slice it up, and have an exported MIDI file and all the single hits from the loop sent over to my sampler or saved to disk in less than 10 seconds. Do you have 10 seconds to spare for some of the best sampled sounds available? > No offense - I'm going to keep on searching for that fantastic hit CD, or > keep saving money until I can get an XV5080 with that Drum card. No offense taken. You have been given numerous examples of CDs which have plenty of single hits...in the past I even mentioned a CD that is snares only. Some of the CDs that have an assortment of single hits also have loops...don't let that stop you. You say you are going to keep searching...what is it that you are looking for? I mean, a Groove Control CD has EVERY DRUM SOUND AS A SINGLE HIT ALREADY! Oh, and don't bother with the 5080 SRX Drum card...all of those sounds came from the very CDs that are being suggested to you...and many of those on the board have sampled reverb besides, so offer less control. cheers, aeon - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 13:20:43 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:20:39 -0400 Received: from siaag2ad.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.134]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:20:32 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id NAA03017 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:19:07 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup RE: Percussion studio To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200206271319_MC3-1-425-B222@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >>> = >http://members.1012surfnet.at/henry.kellner/PercussionStudio/index.html I cant seem to d/l this. File seem corrupted. Anywhere else online? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 15:39:09 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:39:02 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net015s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.155]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:38:52 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:03:50 +0200 Received: from hugin.uunet.ca ([209.167.141.2]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:05:06 +0200 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193718-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:02:48 -0400 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:02:47 -0400 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:02:38 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.47]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:02:33 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.85.37]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020627110230.VAFG19902.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:02:30 +0000 Message-ID: <002801c21dc9$1c170d60$2555580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:55:10 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey Aeon, I understand where you are coming from, but I don't like "Beats". In fact, when I "program" drums - It's usually me pressing [record] on the sequencer, and me using my Roland Octapad to physically play the drum track, in effect using the XP60 as a multitrack. When I finish with that, I overdub any other percussion with the Octapad or play it live using my congas, timbales, etc. I'm just not into loops. If I was to use loops, I'd have to overdub physical auxiliary percussion on top of it. I'm sorry, canned doesn't work, and rather than spend time at the PC or sampler "extracting" this and "programming" that, I could have a whole track recorded by the time you finish booting your program. No offense - I'm going to keep on searching for that fantastic hit CD, or keep saving money until I can get an XV5080 with that Drum card. Later, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: aeon To: Roland Sampler List Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. > > I don't want anyone else to have credit on my material. > > Then don't use loops as-is...extract hits that you like and program > away...it will be all yours. > > > I'm not crazy about ready-made loops - Sorry. > > no need to apologize...whatever works for you! I don't think anyone really > like ready-made loops...I know I don't! > > One thing I do like about loops though is the fact that I will get 2-3 > variations of a bassdrum/snare/hat per bar, so that I can keep variations > that make a newly-programmed rhythm breathe. > > > If I ever mess with loops, it's because they're my > > loops and I made them from scratch. > > Fair enough, but I think you are denying yourself a trememdous creative and > timbral source. > > > However, no loop could EVER match a real drummer, from different fills > > everytime, to slight sped up and slowed down variations in playing, you just > > can't get it, even with Recycle. > > Really? Hmm, I guess my copy of ReCycle must be a special version then! I > get lovely fills and tempo variations from it and a good bit of source > material. > > > However, I am a huge 80s fan, when drum > > machines were rampant, but that's a whole other story. If I want a mechanical > > feel, I'll break out the TR909, 808, Linn (or whatever drum machine) and > > program/record the loop myself. > > Yeah, I must admit, I have really been enjoying the Elektron Machinedrum > SPS-1. :) > > > However, the fact remains that I didn't ask for an argument on loops, rather > > for advice on Drum Sample CDs since I saved up the money. I got the advice > > already, so thank you. > > Well, perhaps you are hearing about loops again for a couple of reasons: > > 1. They satisfy the need for single hits *and* something else. > > 2. The market has overwhelmingly chosen loop-based + hit CDs as its > preferred format, so getting quality "hit only" CDs is going to be > difficult. > > Why not look into something like a Groove Control drum CD?...you get > everything in one go...all the loops, all the loops as MIDI files, and all > the sounds from the loops as hits. > > I mean, I understand your dislike for canned loops...but a creative musician > can make some dope beats from the kind of products that are out there today. > > > cheers, > aeon > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 27 15:51:22 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:51:15 -0400 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18909>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:51:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 16681 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2002 19:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?4.22.158.4?) ([4.22.158.4]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jun 2002 19:51:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: omz23@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002801c21dc9$1c170d60$2555580c@epu1> References: <002801c21dc9$1c170d60$2555580c@epu1> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:50:55 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup Okay - The Buck Stops Here. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >rather than spend time at the PC or sampler "extracting" this and >"programming" that, I could have a whole track recorded by the time you >finish booting your program. I don't think so Harold, wanna race? It doesn't take long to chop up a beat in recycle and send it to the 760. And recycle patches it all out for you, so once its in the 760, it's time for beat making. And while you are looking for that 'special' drum cd, I have already sampled drum hits from records, cd's, movies, TV, radio, etc. and got them patched out. And I have not spent a dime, and I have every drummer who has ever been recorded as my possible sample library. Ready, set...go! -- ________________________ omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 28 02:19:25 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-16566>; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:19:19 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-16566>; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:19:12 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:19:06 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:19:06 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup RE: Percussion studio X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9951@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup RE: Percussion studio Thread-Index: AcId/xJsI/5HOhZ7S+WIXIQj/t4O9wAbTTRw From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "dennis barton" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2002 06:19:06.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4BC2BC0:01C21E6B] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo! >>http://members.1012surfnet.at/henry.kellner/PercussionStudio/index.html= > >I cant seem to d/l this. File seem corrupted. Anywhere else online? Yes, it seems to be corrupted... But the link in the lower directory path works: http://members.1012surfnet.at/henry.kellner/SETUP.EXE Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, = copying, distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be = unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please inform us immediately, delete = this e-mail and all attachments from your system, and refrain from taking any = other action in reliance to this e-mail. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 28 02:25:42 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-16566>; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:25:33 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-16566>; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:25:30 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:25:21 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:25:21 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: AW: sgroup Hello / CONGA SAMPLES solution X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 02:25:21 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22760B9954@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: AW: sgroup Hello / CONGA SAMPLES solution Thread-Index: AcId6SZsrBtDC3ynQe23hTKd8YCEuwAg5ApA From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "R.Lemay" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2002 06:25:21.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[949B4460:01C21E6C] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >>> Have a look at the PC software Percussion Studio! >>> = http://members.1012surfnet.at/henry.kellner/PercussionStudio/index.html >I don't really see what that product represent in term of novelty. Any = MIDI >based sample player can do the trick. It is just a matter of getting = the >right MIDI track in. Why not use your S sampler as a sound module? >Or a drum machine? >Did I miss something here? >How about the old 'n plain Cubase? Of course you can use sequencer and samplers. But maybe some of=20 you (and including me) want to program rhythm patterns in an=20 easier way with a simple notation language. And don't forget that=20 Ingo was looking for Conga samples. And the Percussion studio site=20 offers a lot of sample sets for free!!! And with different drum hits (bass, tone, slap, flams,...). So even if you prefer the sequencer/sampler solution the program can=20 be a big help to get nice samples for free! Just program single hits=20 and sample them on your sampler and work with your sequencer! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. KAPSCH AG / TrafficCom Vienna / Austria ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, = copying, distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be = unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please inform us immediately, delete = this e-mail and all attachments from your system, and refrain from taking any = other action in reliance to this e-mail. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 28 08:21:49 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-16566>; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:21:44 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.48]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-16566>; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:21:29 -0400 Received: from epu1 ([12.88.83.212]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020628122119.RQXZ5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@epu1>; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:21:19 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c21e9d$473a5860$d453580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , Subject: sgroup The Buck Stops Here II Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:13:54 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21E7B.BEB8FBC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21E7B.BEB8FBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, The period of my annoyance on this subject is over as I've finally made = my decision. When I told you all that I saved up $200, you all said more = and with good reason. After talking to many sales reps and listening to = countless demos (makes you wonder why stores don't have these CDs = pre-loaded so you could actually play them in the stores using the = keyboard), I've decided to save close to $700 to get three CDs. These = are: 1) Quantum Leap Guitar and Bass - This CD has countless strat, clean and = funky multisample guitars. This got a great review in Keyboard magazine. 2) Interactive Drum Kits and Snares - Also got a great review from = Keyboard magazine. The kits are fantastic. I finally got to hear the = kits demoed by themselves. The 11 kits included are fantastic. 3) Concert Grand Piano - Also from Ilio. The pianos range from 16 to = 32MB, sound great and give the XV5080's SRX2 Concert Piano card a run = for its money. Just wanted to thank everyone here. Since I only have $200, it'd take me = a couple more months to save. I should have these CDs by September. = Thanks again guys. Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21E7B.BEB8FBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
The period of my annoyance on this = subject is over=20 as I've finally made my decision. When I told you all that I saved up = $200, you=20 all said more and with good reason. After talking to many sales reps and = listening to countless demos (makes you wonder why stores don't have = these CDs=20 pre-loaded so you could actually play them in the stores using the = keyboard),=20 I've decided to save close to $700 to get three CDs. These = are:
 
1) Quantum Leap Guitar and Bass = -=20 This CD has countless strat, clean and funky multisample guitars. This = got a=20 great review in Keyboard magazine.
 
2) Interactive Drum Kits and=20 Snares - Also got a great review from Keyboard magazine. The = kits are=20 fantastic. I finally got to hear the kits demoed by themselves. The 11 = kits=20 included are fantastic.
 
3) Concert Grand Piano = - Also from=20 Ilio. The pianos range from 16 to 32MB, sound great and give the = XV5080's SRX2=20 Concert Piano card a run for its money.
 
Just wanted to thank everyone here. = Since I only=20 have $200, it'd take me a couple more months to save. I should have = these CDs by=20 September. Thanks again guys.
 
Later,
Harold
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C21E7B.BEB8FBC0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 28 17:59:28 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-16565>; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:59:19 -0400 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-16566>; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:59:08 -0400 Received: from ptr ([213.75.240.58]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:00:57 +0200 Message-ID: <006201c21ef0$053c08c0$3af04bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C10CC@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Subject: [sgroup] Roland S-550/50 sound library: and the missing disks are........(sequenced drumroll please) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:06:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I've checked which disks are missing/damaged/wrong from the various Roland S-550/50 libraries around the web and I think the list is like below. Anyone with a complete library cares to sdisk us a few zipped disk-images ? Perhaps possible to do it by the sgroup site ? Thanks, Peter --- from the RSB-50 Sound Libraries --- RSB-501, disk #10 tenor/sophrano saxophone RSB-502, disk #1 mallets no.1 (but this might be identical to L503#12 available elsewhere...) RSB-502, disk #10 electr. guitar no.1 RSB-503, disk #8 train ride, air base RSB-504, disk #6 solo trump & french horn RSB-505, disk #5 latin perc. no.1 (perhaps identical to disk L503#11 available elsewhere...) RSB-505, disk #8 snares --- from the RSB-550 Sound Libraries --- RSB-5502, disk #10 stereo drum kit #2 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 29 08:00:42 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-9758>; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:00:33 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natpost.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-9758>; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:00:22 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0E540.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.229.64]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA14262 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:00:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g5TBwe701232 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:58:40 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 07:58:40 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup S-330 Director-S is cracked Message-ID: <20020629135840.A1054@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, i have cracked the Director-S for the S-330 Sampler. All functions are working, and no key is needed. How did I do that? I took a look into the Director-S for the S-330 Sampler with my Hex Editor. All I could see were Hex-Codes. But, at the Adress 19255 I found the message that is shown evry time the sampler needs the key. And after two hours of changing numbers I found 6 numbers that have to be changed. I changed them first to 00. Now the director-s wanted the key more than befor. Now I tested FF, and it workes. And now, the Director-S needs no key. You can save sogs and copy the disk and all other things that doesn't work befor. If anyone want's to have a copy of my disk, tell me. But first I will test all functions. bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Jun 29 09:00:27 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-9758>; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:00:17 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-9758>; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:00:07 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9E0E540.dip.t-dialin.net [217.224.229.64]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA22525 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:59:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g5TCwPC01329 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:58:25 +0200 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:58:25 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup S-330 Director-S is cracked, Part 2 Message-ID: <20020629145825.B1054@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi again, I forgot to say that the mouse is also working. I think thats great, because with the dongle the mouse doesn't work, and the mouse is a quiet good tool. I'm using the mouse for evrything at home. It's easier to edit samples and so on. And now, the Director-S can be controlled by mouse. bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 30 07:59:13 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-11837>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:59:05 -0400 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-11837>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:59:02 -0400 Received: from martin.unix-net (pD9517945.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.121.69]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26876 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:58:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by martin.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id g5UBvMd02513 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:57:22 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:57:22 -0400 From: Martin Wulff To: SGroup Mailinglist Subject: sgroup Director-S is cracked Part3 Message-ID: <20020630135722.C2251@martin.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I remeber that the Director-S includes 3 Disks. Does anyone have all 3 diks, and could I get all 3 disks as sdisk image? I want to see if I can crack the others too. The disks I cracked works fine, but I have to save the sounds and the song on seperate disks. and that sucks :-) can anyone send me the 3 images in sdisk format? that would be great. bye, Martin -- eMail : Martin Wulff ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 30 21:45:32 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-11837>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:45:22 -0400 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-11837>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:45:19 -0400 Received: from user-2ive1cb.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.5.139] helo=mindspring.com) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OqFV-0004oP-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:45:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3D1FB468.4B984AA4@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:46:16 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edward Raison , Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup LCDs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Sorry, this is old but I just noticed this post. Has anyone actually used these things with an S-550 or 760? This will display all the sampler's video output for you? And how would you mount it with your gear? Does anyone have a picture of how it looks with a sampler? Jesse Edward Raison wrote: > > I've seen them at circuit city... but the best price I've seen is on ebay; > there's always at least a few of these up there. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1356368394 > > just a basic lcd screen with a composite input. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:05 AM > To: Edward Raison; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup hello > > >make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" automotive headrest > >lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the big, ancient > >monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic samplers? > --ed > > Where do you get these? My color monitor is way too big! > > Anyone see any low cost LCD stuff? > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 30 21:55:37 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-11838>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:55:30 -0400 Received: from mail.blarg.net (floyd.blarg.net [206.124.128.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-11838>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:55:24 -0400 Received: from maridia.blarg.net (vq122.atm01.sea.blarg.net [206.124.140.122]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B12C37EF2 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020630185202.00bd38a0@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:55:21 -0400 To: Sampler Group From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup LCDs In-Reply-To: <3D1FB468.4B984AA4@mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk It would probably be easiest to get a blank rackmount panel that was big enough that you could cut an appropriately-sized hole in, then bolt the screen into it and mount it above your sampler in the rack. It's got a composite input, so you could just hook it to the RCA video output on the sampler. It would be black and white, but really I never noticed any benefits to colour when I was working with my S-330. If you have multiple samplers with the composite out, you could get fancy and bolt a video switchbox (or better yet, a KVM switch, assuming you can get those with composite connections) into the panel as well, and use it for all of the machines. At 06:46 PM 6/30/2002, Jesse Segovia wrote: >Sorry, this is old but I just noticed this post. Has anyone actually >used these things with an S-550 or 760? This will display all the >sampler's video output for you? And how would you mount it with your >gear? > >Does anyone have a picture of how it looks with a sampler? > >Jesse > >Edward Raison wrote: > > > > I've seen them at circuit city... but the best price I've seen is on ebay; > > there's always at least a few of these up there. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1356368394 > > > > just a basic lcd screen with a composite input. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:05 AM > > To: Edward Raison; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > > Subject: sgroup hello > > > > >make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" automotive headrest > > >lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the big, ancient > > >monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic samplers? > > --ed > > > > Where do you get these? My color monitor is way too big! > > > > Anyone see any low cost LCD stuff? > > > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > > ) skylab2000 > > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > / http://skylab2000.com > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 30 22:39:12 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-11837>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:39:07 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.230.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-11837>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:38:52 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g5U1pNr91860 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:51:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp.noos.fr (verlaine.noos.net [212.198.2.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-18908>; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:25:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 25013391 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 2002 17:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zgogor) ([195.132.186.52]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.73 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jun 2002 17:25:25 -0000 Message-ID: <020301c21dff$84c404e0$0200a8c0@noos.fr> From: "yael" To: References: <200206271319_MC3-1-425-B222@compuserve.com> Subject: sgroup OT cdxtract Mac is OUT :o)) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:24:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi guy's , just a line to announce the cdXtract Mac version :o)) reads Roland :o) www.cdxtract.com igor - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 30 23:58:21 2002 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-15950>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:58:13 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-15949>; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:58:03 -0400 Received: from user-2ivf471.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.144.225] helo=opel) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17OsK4-0005Aq-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:57:56 -0400 From: "Edward Raison" To: "Sampler Group" Subject: RE: sgroup LCDs Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:55:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020630185202.00bd38a0@mail.blarg.net> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Another thing I have wondered about are those PCI TV tuner cards. Could you get a composite to coaxial adapter, and then see the sampler video output in a little window on the desktop of a computer? -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Ben Lincoln Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:55 PM To: Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup LCDs It would probably be easiest to get a blank rackmount panel that was big enough that you could cut an appropriately-sized hole in, then bolt the screen into it and mount it above your sampler in the rack. It's got a composite input, so you could just hook it to the RCA video output on the sampler. It would be black and white, but really I never noticed any benefits to colour when I was working with my S-330. If you have multiple samplers with the composite out, you could get fancy and bolt a video switchbox (or better yet, a KVM switch, assuming you can get those with composite connections) into the panel as well, and use it for all of the machines. At 06:46 PM 6/30/2002, Jesse Segovia wrote: >Sorry, this is old but I just noticed this post. Has anyone actually >used these things with an S-550 or 760? This will display all the >sampler's video output for you? And how would you mount it with your >gear? > >Does anyone have a picture of how it looks with a sampler? > >Jesse > >Edward Raison wrote: > > > > I've seen them at circuit city... but the best price I've seen is on ebay; > > there's always at least a few of these up there. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1356368394 > > > > just a basic lcd screen with a composite input. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:05 AM > > To: Edward Raison; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > > Subject: sgroup hello > > > > >make a few patches. Maybe I will get one of those 5" automotive headrest > > >lcd screens to use as a video monitor, instead of the big, ancient > > >monochrome I'm using now. How do you guys use your archaic samplers? > > --ed > > > > Where do you get these? My color monitor is way too big! > > > > Anyone see any low cost LCD stuff? > > > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > > ) skylab2000 > > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > / http://skylab2000.com > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.