From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 09:57:28 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:57:20 -0400 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:57:06 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive0j1.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.2.97]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23843; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3986D7A7.F1408EB1@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:59:03 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Layzell, Brian A (by way of Maurits Jonkergouw)" CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Editing WAV. Samples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The good news is I found a shareware product that seems to do lots of neat stuff with wav. files. I downloaded it and immediately got it to split out the multi-samples exactly how I wanted. The bad news is the options to read from and write to an S-550 diskette don't work; they crash the product on all my PCs. 8-( So far I've made exactly one good sampler disk from an image downloaded from the web and SDISK. Other than that, nothing has worked. As I said before, I found TONS of great sounding wav. files from the net so it's depressing not to be able to work with them on my sampler. Any ideas? Jesse P.S. The shareware product called Sampled! and here's the web site: http://www.sylaba.poznan.pl/~neurod/sampled/ I've sent an email to the author but so far no response, so support may not be available. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 10:01:03 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:00:54 -0400 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:00:43 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive0j1.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.2.97]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09236 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3986D87E.E2A2FA9E@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:02:38 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I probably won't, but I'm lightly considering buying a newer sampler with better sound quality than the S-550, and which can handle wav. files. I've been out of the sampler/synth market for about ten years now so I know next to nothing about what's out there. What's the sampler market like today? Any very good new units for a reasonable price? And what would be a fair price for a good condition Roland S-770? I found one of the web for about $2,000.00! I should be able to get a brand new sampler for that, no? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 10:13:43 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:13:34 -0400 Received: from shasta.gate.net ([216.219.246.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:13:27 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb2-149.gate.net [207.36.197.149]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19998; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:13:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3986A064.D6D45DFF@feinsilver.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:03:18 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesse Segovia CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 References: <3986D87E.E2A2FA9E@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'm thinking about selling my S-760 for $1,100. 24 megs w/mouse & video option (I think it is called the OP-760-1P Option). Original. (Am I going to regret doing this Sgroup???) -adam- Jesse Segovia wrote: > I probably won't, but I'm lightly considering buying a newer sampler > with better sound quality than the S-550, and which can handle wav. > files. I've been out of the sampler/synth market for about ten years > now so I know next to nothing about what's out there. > > What's the sampler market like today? Any very good new units for a > reasonable price? > > And what would be a fair price for a good condition Roland S-770? I > found one of the web for about $2,000.00! I should be able to get a > brand new sampler for that, no? > > Jesse > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 10:15:18 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:15:09 -0400 Received: from web1806.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.49]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193681-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:15:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 25606 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2000 14:15:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000801141501.25605.qmail@web1806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.251.112.33] by web1806.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 07:15:01 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:15:01 -0400 From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > And what would be a fair price for a good condition Roland S-770? I > found one of the web for about $2,000.00! That's insane. I got a used S-760 for $1200 including the OP-760 expansion board, mouse, and 2 Roland CD-Roms. You really can't go wrong with the 760. Truly one of the greatest samplers ever manufactured. I would never part with mine, even for a newer sampler with all the bells and whistles. It does everything I need it to do extremely well. ===== OMZ BLI Recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 11:21:38 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:21:30 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f296.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.174]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193673-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:21:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 65803 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2000 15:21:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000801152118.65802.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.250.235.40 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:21:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [193.250.235.40] From: "Steph _" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup S-550 CDs with CD-5 reader Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:21:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Help ! Does anybody knows where to find:buy CDs for The S-550 and/or W30 Samplers readable with the Roland CD-5 reader ??? Or does anybody have some for sale ??? Also does anybody knows how I can write such CDs (on A Macintosh with Toast or other) with my own sounds ??? Thanks a lot everybody Steph ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 12:42:23 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:42:13 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:41:52 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10746; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (1Cust225.tnt4.new-york.ny.da.uu.net [63.17.143.225]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08798; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'omz'" , Subject: RE: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:40:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000801141501.25605.qmail@web1806.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Can the S-760 or S-770 play S-550 floppies or CD-Rom sample libraries? -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: omz [mailto:spiralinsana@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:15 AM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 > > > > And what would be a fair price for a good condition Roland S-770? I > > found one of the web for about $2,000.00! > > That's insane. I got a used S-760 for $1200 including the > OP-760 expansion > board, mouse, and 2 Roland CD-Roms. > > You really can't go wrong with the 760. Truly one of the > greatest samplers ever > manufactured. I would never part with mine, even for a newer > sampler with all > the bells and whistles. It does everything I need it to do > extremely well. > > > > > ===== > > OMZ > > BLI Recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf > Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW > http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 12:52:36 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:52:29 -0400 Received: from web1803.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.46]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:52:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 27734 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2000 16:52:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000801165208.27733.qmail@web1803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.251.112.33] by web1803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:52:08 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:52:08 -0400 From: omz Subject: RE: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 To: sjs@bstage.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --- Steve Schow wrote: > Can the S-760 or S-770 play S-550 floppies or CD-Rom sample libraries? I think there is some kind of convert load, but I'm not sure-never done it. As far as folks wanting to get .wav files into their samplers, what about D-Sound? Haven't used it in a while, but I remember it working pretty well. Otherwise you will have to fork out for Recycle. ===== OMZ BLI Recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 13:57:01 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:56:58 -0400 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:56:47 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive0j1.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.2.97]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19602; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39870FB6.26A152C8@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:58:14 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: omz CC: sjs@bstage.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 References: <20000801165208.27733.qmail@web1803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The web site I found for D-Sound has the Mac version only. Is there a Windows version? Jesse omz wrote: > > --- Steve Schow wrote: > > Can the S-760 or S-770 play S-550 floppies or CD-Rom sample libraries? > > I think there is some kind of convert load, but I'm not sure-never done it. > > As far as folks wanting to get .wav files into their samplers, what about > D-Sound? Haven't used it in a while, but I remember it working pretty well. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 14:15:23 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:15:21 -0400 Received: from shuswap.gate.net ([216.219.246.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:15:10 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb2-110.gate.net [207.36.197.110]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA41914; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:14:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3986D909.496C30@feinsilver.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:04:58 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesse Segovia , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 References: <20000801165208.27733.qmail@web1803.mail.yahoo.com> <39870FB6.26A152C8@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk DSound is Mac only...there are many other software packages that do sample dumps for PCs...any suggestions out there guyz?? Jesse Segovia wrote: > The web site I found for D-Sound has the Mac version only. Is there a > Windows version? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 15:14:50 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:14:41 -0400 Received: from sphmgaaf.compuserve.com (hs-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.177.155]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:14:38 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id PAA06382 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:13:56 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup s760 / s770 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200008011514_MC2-AE3E-CEB4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk With all this talk of s770's lately I shoud mention that I have one too many, and will be selling it. I actually have two too many, but I kinda wanna keep one for now.. The 770 is nicer than the 760 cos it has a hard drive built in, and 8 outputs compared to 760's four. The 760 is nicer than the 770 cos is has a nicer OS and more memory. Both really nice samplers, IMO. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 15:20:48 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:20:39 -0400 Received: from cocopah.gate.net ([216.219.246.49]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193681-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:20:28 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb2-162.gate.net [207.36.197.162]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA60438 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:20:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3986E85C.22910049@feinsilver.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:10:21 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 References: <200008011514_MC2-AE3E-CEB4@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The S760's 2 digital outputs can be converted to 4 analog outs...giving 8 total outs. Can the 770 read 550 disks? dennis barton wrote: > With all this talk of s770's lately I shoud mention that I have one too > many, and will be selling it. I actually have two too many, but I kinda > wanna keep one for now.. > > The 770 is nicer than the 760 cos it has a hard drive built in, and 8 > outputs compared to 760's four. > > The 760 is nicer than the 770 cos is has a nicer OS and more memory. > > Both really nice samplers, IMO. > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 16:05:33 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:05:24 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193682-2714>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:05:21 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21250; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (1Cust20.tnt3.new-york.ny.da.uu.net [63.17.141.20]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26313; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: , Cc: "SGroup Maillist \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3986D3E9.B924EF3B@feinsilver.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk There are, no doubt, many ways to get S-550 samples into other samplers such as the S-760. However, the real question is: 1 - What about program data? All the other parameters beyond the raw wave data. 2 - Can an S-760 read a CDROM that is formatted for the CD-5 and the S-550?? -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq. [mailto:adam@feinsilver.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:43 AM > To: sjs@bstage.com > Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 > > > Also...as OMZ said, you can use a program such as Recycle, > Peak, DSound, or other sample transfer > software to dump samples back and forth via midi or scsi. > adam > > Steve Schow wrote: > > > Can the S-760 or S-770 play S-550 floppies or CD-Rom sample > libraries? > > > > -steve > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: omz [mailto:spiralinsana@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:15 AM > > > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > > > Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price > Check on S-770 > > > > > > > > > > And what would be a fair price for a good condition > Roland S-770? I > > > > found one of the web for about $2,000.00! > > > > > > That's insane. I got a used S-760 for $1200 including the > > > OP-760 expansion > > > board, mouse, and 2 Roland CD-Roms. > > > > > > You really can't go wrong with the 760. Truly one of the > > > greatest samplers ever > > > manufactured. I would never part with mine, even for a newer > > > sampler with all > > > the bells and whistles. It does everything I need it to do > > > extremely well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > OMZ > > > > > > BLI Recordings > > > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf > > > Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW > > > http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to > majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more > information. > > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 16:17:10 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:17:01 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193683-2715>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:16:55 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21751; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (1cust20.tnt3.new-york.ny.da.uu.net [63.17.141.20]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26370; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'Benjamin Emerson'" , Cc: "SGroup Maillist \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:16:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39871F39.CC50FD2F@bu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk So I would guess that the convert function converts the other program data, in addition to raw sample data.....but the question is, what CDROM drive would I use with the S-770 or S-760 to read an S-550 CDROM disc? And is the disc format the same or readable by the S-770/760? I have a substantial S-550 CDROM collection... The only reason I even keep the S-550 is for this library of sounds...otherwise I would use nothing other than my Kurzweil 2500, which pretty much rocks. But the S-550 library is still awesome in my book....so I keep the S-550 just for this. If I could use this entire library in the S-760 or S-770 and it would work well...faster load times....more sample RAM....16 bit, stereo, etc... I would gladly upgrade my S-550 to a 7 series... but I need to know for sure that my entire library on CD-ROM will load easily into the 7 series.. Also, what is the difference between S-760 and S-770? -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Emerson [mailto:bemerson@bu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:04 PM > To: sjs@bstage.com > Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 > > > Steve Schow wrote: > > > > Can the S-760 or S-770 play S-550 floppies or CD-Rom sample > libraries? > > > The S-770 has a convert load function. I have used it without any > problems many times. > > As to the price check on the S-770, I would expect to pay well under > US$1,000.00. I had a music store offer me US$250.00 trade-in on mine > when I toyed with the idea. I like it too much to give it > up, the only > limitation being the 16meg RAM max, so I'm keepin' mine 'til it drops! > > -- > Benjamin Emerson > Audio Supervisor > Huntington Theatre Co. > Teaching Sound Designer > Boston University Theatre Arts Division > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 16:31:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:31:05 -0400 Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (hs-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.177.150]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193685-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:31:02 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id QAA21861; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:30:20 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup s760 / s770 To: adam@feinsilver.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200008011630_MC2-AE3E-1E60@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > The S760's 2 digital outputs can be converted to 4 analog outs...givin= g 8 >total outs. Can the 770 read 550 disks? Yes, they can be converted to analog outs, but you'd need 2 D/A converter= s and the power supplies for them and the cables, so it's a bit of a mess. D/A convertors are at least $125 each and you need two of them. The 770 can read 550 disks. I think you *might* need to "convert load" bu= t I don't recall. Might read em directly. It's been a while.. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 16:50:22 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:50:12 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:50:09 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23513; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (1cust20.tnt3.new-york.ny.da.uu.net [63.17.141.20]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26539; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'dennis barton'" , Subject: RE: sgroup s760 / s770 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200008011514_MC2-AE3E-CEB4@compuserve.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Which is newer....the 770 or 760 and what is nicer about the 760 OS? > -----Original Message----- > From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:14 PM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup s760 / s770 > > > > With all this talk of s770's lately I shoud mention that I > have one too > many, and will be selling it. I actually have two too many, > but I kinda > wanna keep one for now.. > > The 770 is nicer than the 760 cos it has a hard drive built in, and 8 > outputs compared to 760's four. > > The 760 is nicer than the 770 cos is has a nicer OS and more memory. > > Both really nice samplers, IMO. > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 16:57:51 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193690-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:57:43 -0400 Received: from web1804.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.47]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193686-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:57:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 10674 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2000 20:57:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000801205734.10673.qmail@web1804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.251.112.33] by web1804.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:57:34 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:57:34 -0400 From: omz Subject: RE: sgroup s760 / s770 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The main difference in my opinion is that the 770 only holds 18MB. The 760 holds 32MB. That's pretty much all it took me to decide... --- Steve Schow wrote: > Which is newer....the 770 or 760 and what is nicer about the 760 OS? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:14 PM > > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > > Subject: sgroup s760 / s770 > > > > > > > > With all this talk of s770's lately I shoud mention that I > > have one too > > many, and will be selling it. I actually have two too many, > > but I kinda > > wanna keep one for now.. > > > > The 770 is nicer than the 760 cos it has a hard drive built in, and 8 > > outputs compared to 760's four. > > > > The 760 is nicer than the 770 cos is has a nicer OS and more memory. > > > > Both really nice samplers, IMO. > > > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > > ) skylab2000 > > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > / http://skylab2000.com > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > ===== OMZ BLI Recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 17:09:20 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193692-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:09:11 -0400 Received: from spdmgaac.compuserve.com (ds-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.206.136]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193690-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:09:05 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id RAA00655; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:08:36 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup s760 / s770 To: sjs@bstage.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200008011708_MC2-AE41-C9E1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Which is newer....the 770 or 760 and what is nicer about the 760 OS? > 760 is newer, but they are very similar. Mostly small things only. The menus make more sense on the 760 and you save lower level objects.. They are both better than a 550 in most ways. Booting up and having your samples load automatically is very nice. 3 min= s of sample time is nice! Be aware that the 760 *needs* an old SCSI device like a zip 100 and they are not around any more. zip 250 will not work. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 17:56:07 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193692-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:55:57 -0400 Received: from shasta.gate.net ([216.219.246.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193677-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:55:47 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb1-215.gate.net [207.36.198.24]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12366 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:55:41 -0400 Message-ID: <39870CC0.DF0FF1A3@feinsilver.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:45:37 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca To: Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 References: <200008011630_MC2-AE3E-1E60@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Roland had/has? an attachment to convert the digitals to analogs. I thought that you could hook up a bigger SCSI device...the Jaz doesn't work well. I never tried a big drive...always used a Syquest EZ drive. You know about that one OMZ? dennis barton wrote: > > The S760's 2 digital outputs can be converted to 4 analog outs...giving > 8 > >total outs. Can the 770 read 550 disks? > > Yes, they can be converted to analog outs, but you'd need 2 D/A converters > and the power supplies for them and the cables, so it's a bit of a mess. > D/A convertors are at least $125 each and you need two of them. > > The 770 can read 550 disks. I think you *might* need to "convert load" but > I don't recall. Might read em directly. It's been a while.. > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 17:58:06 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193696-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:57:57 -0400 Received: from shasta.gate.net ([216.219.246.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193692-10682>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:57:47 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb1-215.gate.net [207.36.198.24]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA60794 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:57:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39870D34.6B2CF5B4@feinsilver.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:47:33 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "SGroup Maillist (E-mail)" To: Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Steve Schow wrote: > There are, no doubt, many ways to get S-550 samples into other samplers such > as the S-760. However, the real question is: > > 1 - What about program data? All the other parameters beyond the raw wave > data. Program data IS lost in a convert load. > > > 2 - Can an S-760 read a CDROM that is formatted for the CD-5 and the > S-550?? I don't know about that one...I don't have any S550 CD ROMS. Somebody else may know. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 18:05:03 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193697-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:05:02 -0400 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193696-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:04:59 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive0j1.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.2.97]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29901; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398749CE.19F0B7B3@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:06:06 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dennis barton CC: adam@feinsilver.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 References: <200008011630_MC2-AE3E-1E60@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > The 770 can read 550 disks. I think you *might* need to "convert load" but > I don't recall. Might read em directly. It's been a while.. Can anyone speak to what an S-550 sample sounds like when played by a 760/770? Is it exactly like the 550 or a little brighter? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 19:55:34 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10682>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:55:25 -0400 Received: from mail.airmail.net ([206.66.12.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193673-10682>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:55:18 -0400 Received: from [207.136.62.161] from [207.136.62.161] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.438) with esmtp for sender: id ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:55:15 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: omz23@mail.airmail.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39870CC0.DF0FF1A3@feinsilver.com> References: <200008011630_MC2-AE3E-1E60@compuserve.com> <39870CC0.DF0FF1A3@feinsilver.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:57:44 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Roland had/has? an attachment to convert the digitals to analogs. DA-400. Converts the 2 digi outs to 4 analog outs. I managed to find one new about 3 years ago. > I thought that you could hook up >a bigger SCSI device...the Jaz doesn't work well. I never tried a >big drive...always used a Syquest >EZ drive. You know about that one OMZ? You can hook up to a 600 MB SCSI drive to the 760. You can hook up a bigger one, say a 1gig, but the Roland OS will only recognize a 600MB partition. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: omz ............................................... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: BLI Recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf Alejandro Jodorowsky http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 1 21:11:46 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:11:37 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10112>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:11:34 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (06-081.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.81]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11205 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:27:07 -0700 Message-Id: <200008020127.SAA11205@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:09:27 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Editing WAV. Samples In-Reply-To: <3986D7A7.F1408EB1@mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 09:59 AM 8/1/00 -0400, Jesse Segovia wrote: >The bad news is the options to read from and write to an S-550 diskette >don't work; they crash the product on all my PCs. 8-( Yeah, mine too. Good thing the author is permanently on vacation and impossible to get ahold of, huh? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 07:04:23 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:04:15 -0400 Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:04:11 -0400 Received: from skeletonhome.com ([208.37.245.184]) by valiant.cnchost.com id HAA06111; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:04:09 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-ID: <39880027.43790E1C@skeletonhome.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:04:01 -0400 From: Bruce Tovsky Reply-To: bruce@skeletonhome.com Organization: skeleton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Comments from the field References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Fellow S550/S50/S330/W30 users Just got back from a well-deserved European vacation and found a flurry of activity on the usually quiet list, so I thought I'd add a few observations for some of the new members. In my experience, all of the sample libraries of 12-bit "S" series patches are at least 10-12 years old, and were dated when they were compiled. I have the Club 50 CD (not made by Roland, but by a group called Club 50) the Universe of Sounds CDs (there were 2) and the Roland Sample library (which came with the CD-5 CD-ROM made by Roland - which originally listed for something like $3,000!) Most of the current companies who provide samples on floppies are simply selling their old sounds, I know of no one who sells new sounds for our beloved 12-bit babies. What I've been doing for the last few years is using one of the plethora of sample editing programs to create (or buy) samples and load them into my S550 via one of the handful of shareware apps that allow you to save sounds to ROLAND FORMATTED FLOPPIES. I purposefully scream this phrase because it is one of the most pervasive misconceptions about using any of these apps - all of them (that I know of) need to see a disk formatted by the S550 (or S50, etc.) You need to format, and in the case of D-Sound Pro for the Mac (which I use, and was created by Stefano Daino - Hi Stefano!) you also need to create "blank sample slots" the length of the sound you want to transfer. It sounds more complicated than it really is - I created a few template disks and use them as temps. This way you can troll the internet for new, hip sounds - try Samplenet - and use them in your fat thick 12-bit box. I would welcome a new archive of sounds and would love to contribute to it. Anyone with questions fell free to email me directly. And for those in need of manuals, I have the latest manuals for the S550, the CD-5 software, and the SCSI interface, and I could scan and email sections for anyone needing info. Good Luck! Bruce Tovsky - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 07:06:23 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:06:17 -0400 Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:06:02 -0400 Received: from skeletonhome.com ([208.37.245.184]) by valiant.cnchost.com id HAA06769; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:05:57 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-ID: <39880095.2803EA11@skeletonhome.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:05:50 -0400 From: Bruce Tovsky Reply-To: bruce@skeletonhome.com Organization: skeleton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Addendum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk BTW Forgot to mention - the S550 only works with 720K, DD disks. Don't try using 1.4meg HD disks. BT - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 08:47:03 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:46:56 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com [212.120.66.198]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:46:45 -0400 Received: from [212.120.82.160] by mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000802124640.QWJK8917.mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com@[212.120.82.160]> for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:46:40 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swank.inc@mail Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:46:33 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: "Steph _" (by way of Maurits Jonkergouw) Subject: sgroup S-550 CDs with CD-5 reader Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Help ! Does anybody knows where to find:buy CDs for The S-550 and/or W30 Samplers readable with the Roland CD-5 reader ??? Or does anybody have some for sale ??? Also does anybody knows how I can write such CDs (on A Macintosh with Toast or other) with my own sounds ??? Thanks a lot everybody Steph First of all you need a HD connected to the S550 (Syquest 44/88/105mb for instance), then you load all your 'Floppy-sounds' into the memory and save them to the HD -> 40mb = 32 floppys/80-105mb = 64 floppys. When you're finished, connect the HD to a Macintosh (or SCSI-PC) and make a disk image of it within Toast and then burn it. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 09:02:36 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:02:27 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f292.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.170]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193673-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:02:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 90552 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2000 13:02:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000802130213.90551.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.250.100.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 06:02:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [193.250.100.120] From: "Steph _" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 CDs with CD-5 reader Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:02:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks ! does it means that the CD will have a 80 Mb size max ? Is it possible to make a multisession CD ? I think not but... Steph >From: "Steph _" (by way of Maurits Jonkergouw) >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: sgroup S-550 CDs with CD-5 reader >Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:46:33 -0400 > >Help ! Does anybody knows where to find:buy CDs for The S-550 and/or >W30 Samplers readable with the Roland CD-5 reader ??? Or does anybody >have some for sale ??? Also does anybody knows how I can write such >CDs (on A Macintosh with Toast or other) with my own sounds ??? >Thanks a lot everybody >Steph > > >First of all you need a HD connected to the S550 (Syquest 44/88/105mb >for instance), then you load all your 'Floppy-sounds' into the memory >and save them to the HD -> 40mb = 32 floppys/80-105mb = 64 floppys. >When you're finished, connect the HD to a Macintosh (or SCSI-PC) and >make a disk image of it within Toast and then burn it. > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 09:29:07 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:29:00 -0400 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:28:50 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive2qh.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.11.81]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20893; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39882282.11612212@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:30:42 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Lincoln CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup PLEASE READ: Question on Editing WAV. Samples References: <200008020127.SAA11205@www.peak.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've also had trouble getting the S550Lib program working. There's a conversion utility in the sgroup archive (WAV2S550) which creates W30 diskettes and then converts wav. files to W30 format on the diskette. You then run S550Lib which will convert W30 diskettes to S550 format, but this action fails every time. Either S550Lib balks at reading the W30 disk in, or the converted disk it creates is garbage when I load it into my S-550, and even when I try to read it in S-550Lib, so the program itself knows it's creating garbage. Is it possible S550Lib and Sampled! are only for Windows 3.1? Should I go through the bother of finding an old PC and installing Win3.1 to see if these apps will work? BTW, I'm find more and more great selections of samples in wav. file format on the net. Check this out: Here's the main site of a Yamaha A3000 sample library: http://www.samplelibrary.net And here's all the wav. files: http://www.samplelibrary.net/browse.php?num=1&order=0&type=3&l=10000&o=0 I'd like to build something like this for Roland format. Is anyone still interested? Jesse Ben Lincoln wrote: > > At 09:59 AM 8/1/00 -0400, Jesse Segovia wrote: > > >The bad news is the options to read from and write to an S-550 diskette > >don't work; they crash the product on all my PCs. 8-( > > Yeah, mine too. Good thing the author is permanently on vacation and > impossible to get ahold of, huh? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 10:12:51 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:12:42 -0400 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:12:36 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive2qh.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.11.81]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18174; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39882CC7.68E6AA76@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:14:31 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bruce@skeletonhome.com, sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Comments from the field References: <39880027.43790E1C@skeletonhome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Welcome back, Bruce. Yes, I think there's lots of interest in a Roland sample library. I'm still trying to OCR a list of my samples but I'll post it to sgroup ASAP. Please go into a little more detail about the shareware apps that write to Roland format diskette. Here's my experience so far: SDISK works OK (if I reboot my Win95 or 98 PCs to MS-DOS mode) but it seems most of the new disk images on the sgroup archive are bad because so far none of them work. But I downloaded some of the Roland sound library images from the archive and *they* worked. S550LIB either won't read in or convert the W30 format diskettes I've made from SDISK and the sgroup archive. 'Could be bad disk images, or it could be a bad convert or read in S550LIB. I don't have a W30 or any good W30 diskettes to test. Does S550LIB only work with Win3.1? SAMPLED! crashes whenever I try to read from or write to an S-550 diskette in the A drive. Other than that it looks great; too bad it won't work with the floppies (could this also require Win3.1?). I don't have a Mac to try D-Sound, so it pains me to hear that's the one you've been able to get working. 8-( Jesse Bruce Tovsky wrote: > > Fellow S550/S50/S330/W30 users > Just got back from a well-deserved European vacation and found > a flurry of activity on the usually quiet list, so I thought I'd add > a few observations for some of the new members.= - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 10:18:38 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:18:29 -0400 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:18:26 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive2qh.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.11.81]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26506 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39882E16.853C8BA4@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:20:06 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sampler Group Subject: sgroup Progress on WAV Files and My S-550??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk So I found a new PC freeware conversion program called Convert. Here's the URL; just click on convert14.zip to download: http://brahms.uni-passau.de/~zukowski/midi/files/wave/ It works in DOS and converts a bunch of different audio and sampler formats. The good news is it worked; it actually converted all the tones in a Roland sdisk image file to wav files. Great! The bad news is the Roland disk image is NOT a supported output format! 8-( So I have a dependable way to get WAV files out of my sample library, but not the other way around. Am I getting closer or farther away from my goal of reading wav files into my sampler??!! Help! Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 13:28:46 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:28:38 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:28:34 -0400 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@cypress-f [10.5.102.14]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id NAA20503; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id NAA26513; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Comments: NAA26513 on cypress (hop 0), Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:28:25 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: Bruce Tovsky cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Addendum In-Reply-To: <39880095.2803EA11@skeletonhome.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Forgot to mention - the S550 only works with 720K, DD disks. Don't try > using 1.4meg HD disks. BT i use HD disks with my 330 all the time. just cover the hole up so it apears as a DD.. i do this cos HDs are easier to come by these days - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 13:42:01 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:41:53 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:41:48 -0400 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@cypress-f [10.5.102.14]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id NAA23538; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id NAA30145; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Comments: NAA30145 on cypress (hop 0), Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:41:39 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: Jesse Segovia cc: bruce@skeletonhome.com, sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Comments from the field In-Reply-To: <39882CC7.68E6AA76@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk ill add something.. i did get sdisk to work a few times, but i found it a pain. especially if you are trying to put new wave files into yr sampler that way. i had better sucess with samplevision v 2.0 it is an outdated sample editor made by turtle beach. it supports the 330, 550, akai s900, 950.. quite good for getting samples from a buddy's akai. also good for loading wave files into the old 330. you have to resample to 30khz in another editor first, and create blank samples in the sampler's memory before transferring.. but other than that it is good. all of my personal sampling activities latly have been done with a microphone and preamplifier, then into a 20 bit input on my soundcard (event Layla). after i peak limit with soundforge (to increase the average to peak ratio by a few db) i connect an audio out of the soundcard to the sampler's audio input. i can get much higher quality samples this way as opposed to microphone directly into sampler (with a transformer) and the input gain up pretty high. likewise whenever i have a 16 bit sample i want to get into the old 12 bit sampler i find its usually just fine using the sampler's a/d converter. i know it isnt the best way, but with the 330's inherent limitations, i think it sounds just fine. and it's WAY faster. m - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 13:46:42 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:46:34 -0400 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.246]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:46:24 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive1ri.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.7.114]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02087 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39885EC5.F1A2C1EA@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:47:49 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sampler Group Subject: sgroup Another Wav to S550 Conversion Utility References: <39882E16.853C8BA4@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This one converts wav files to Roland sysex format; you can then send the file to your sampler via MIDI. The web site even has some already converted sysex files so you can try it out before you download. Unfortunately, I don't have a PC MIDI board and so far I've resisted buying one because I'm still considering doing digital recording on my PC (I'm also considering a Roland VS-1880 or Yamaha AW4416) so I don't know whether to buy a cheap one or the most expensive one. Recommendations? http://www.geocities.com/pctos550/ Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 15:57:03 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:56:54 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com [212.120.66.198]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:56:48 -0400 Received: from [212.120.82.160] by mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000802195645.XKTC8917.mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com@[212.120.82.160]> for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:56:45 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swank.inc@mail Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:56:40 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: "Steph _" (by way of Maurits Jonkergouw) Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 CDs with CD-5 reader Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Yepp! Thanks ! does it means that the CD will have a 80 Mb size max ? Is it possible to make a multisession CD ? I think not but... Steph > >Help ! Does anybody knows where to find:buy CDs for The S-550 and/or >W30 Samplers readable with the Roland CD-5 reader ??? Or does anybody >have some for sale ??? Also does anybody knows how I can write such >CDs (on A Macintosh with Toast or other) with my own sounds ??? >Thanks a lot everybody >Steph > > >First of all you need a HD connected to the S550 (Syquest 44/88/105mb >for instance), then you load all your 'Floppy-sounds' into the memory >and save them to the HD -> 40mb = 32 floppys/80-105mb = 64 floppys. >When you're finished, connect the HD to a Macintosh (or SCSI-PC) and >make a disk image of it within Toast and then burn it. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 16:15:43 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:15:33 -0400 Received: from relay1.inwind.it ([212.141.53.67]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:15:31 -0400 Received: from VIRDIS (212.141.110.156) by relay1.inwind.it; 2 Aug 2000 22:15:27 +0200 Message-ID: <015001bffcbf$2a4548c0$9c6e8dd4@VIRDIS> Reply-To: "P@V" From: "P@V" To: Subject: sgroup Zip 250 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:20:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Be aware that the 760 *needs* an old SCSI device like a zip 100 and they >are not around any more. zip 250 will not work. > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > > I thought that you could hook up > >a bigger SCSI device...the Jaz doesn't work well. I never tried a > >big drive...always used a Syquest > >EZ drive. You know about that one OMZ? > > You can hook up to a 600 MB SCSI drive to the 760. You can hook up a > bigger one, say a 1gig, but the Roland OS will only recognize a 600MB > partition. > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > omz ............................................... > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > BLI Recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf > Alejandro Jodorowsky > http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky > Hello but then the Zip 250 works with the S-759/769/770 samplers? Ciao P@V - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 21:04:35 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:04:26 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:04:23 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (08-180.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.180]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13757 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:19:58 -0700 Message-Id: <200008030119.SAA13757@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:02:36 -0400 To: sgroup From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Addendum In-Reply-To: References: <39880095.2803EA11@skeletonhome.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 01:28 PM 8/2/00 -0400, mike p wrote: >i use HD disks with my 330 all the time. just cover the hole up so it >apears as a DD.. i do this cos HDs are easier to come by these days This will work, but in the long run it is a _bad idea_. HD disks are physically different than DD disks, and over time your HD disks _will_ degrade and lose any information you saved on them with your sampler. I saw this myself with the library that came with my own S-330 - 50% of the HD disks had failed, as opposed to zero of the DD. I also ran into the same situation trying to load up old Amiga stuff a year or so ago - again, all the DD disks worked, whereas the HD disks I'd used as DD disks were dead. You can work around this by backing up all your disks as images with SDISK or somesuch, but it's much more worthwhile, IMO, to track down some real DD disks. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 23:01:35 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:01:27 -0400 Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (hs-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.177.150]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9848>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:01:17 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id XAA22985 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:00:48 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup DD disks To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200008022300_MC2-AE65-80DD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have a bunch of barely used DD disks for sale. I'll look and see hwo ma= ny of anyone is interested. I bought em for my s330, but use my 760 way more= nowadays.. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 2 23:42:21 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:42:11 -0400 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.246]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9847>; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:42:08 -0400 Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25072 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:42:06 -0400 (EDT) From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id XAA0000007574; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:42:06 -0400 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Addendum Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.247.2.111 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ben Lincoln wrote: > it's much more worthwhile, IMO, > to track down some real DD disks. Does anyone know anything about buying brand new DD diskettes? I've still got a few from my days at a software company but since I don't have a hard disk or CD-ROM attached, and I hope to find some way of getting all these wav files into my sampler, I'm going to need a whole lot more. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 01:54:27 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:54:18 -0400 Received: from web1404.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.168]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193673-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:54:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 17455 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2000 05:54:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000803055407.17454.qmail@web1404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.54.114.158] by web1404.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:54:07 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:54:07 -0400 From: "Theme MoTif." Subject: sgroup w30 cd To: Steph _ , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Anyone know where I can get a cd player for my kw30 and some cds? Also, can you burn those cds from sound files found via internet? (like the same ones you would use with sdisk) Also, is t possible to scsi the kw30 with a computer to transfer those files... ===== HTTP://LISTEN.TO/WCOR THEMEMUZIK@YAHOO.COM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 05:19:15 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:19:06 -0400 Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:18:55 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-50-152.tnt8.me2.uunet.de [149.225.50.152]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id LAA14435 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:18:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <39881F76.674A26D@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:17:45 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 References: <200008011630_MC2-AE3E-1E60@compuserve.com> <398749CE.19F0B7B3@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Jesse Segovia wrote: > Can anyone speak to what an S-550 sample sounds like when played by a > 760/770? Is it exactly like the 550 or a little brighter? I never did a direct comparison, but I wouldn't expect too much. The sample rate of converted S-550 samples is still 30 kHz. Of course you can make samples sound brighter with the S-760's built-in equalizer. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 05:19:17 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:19:06 -0400 Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:18:54 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-50-152.tnt8.me2.uunet.de [149.225.50.152]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id LAA14409 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:18:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <39881ECE.3D97FDEB@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:14:57 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Steve Schow wrote: > > So I would guess that the convert function converts the other program data, > in addition to raw sample data.... If you mean the ability to convert S-550 Patch/Tone parameters into S-760 Patch/Patial/Sample parameters, yes, these are converted as far as the S-760 parameters allow for that (the envelopes are pretty different for instance...). The S-550 "Play" parameters (or however they are called - those parameters acessible in Play mode: which Patch responds to which MIDI channel etc.) are not converted. Here's what I wrote about conversion a while ago: Ingo Debus wrote: > > It can read S-550, S-330 and W-30 disks, that's why I got my S-760 back > then (had some boxes full of those disks). But IMHO it doesn't this job > too well: if there are two Tones layered in a S-330 Patch, *two* S-760 > Patches are created. And, since the S-760 has no Sub-Tones, each > Sub-Tone is converted into a real Sample/Partial. If the Start/Loop/End > points of the Original Tone and Sub-Tone are the same, this could be > done more memory-efficiently. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 08:21:29 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:21:22 -0400 Received: from mail1.mclink.it (net128-007.mclink.it [195.110.128.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:21:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (net141-036.mclink.it [195.110.141.36]) by mail1.mclink.it (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA20932; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:20:53 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:22:35 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Comments from the field From: Stefano Daino To: , sgroup Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39880027.43790E1C@skeletonhome.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Bruce! thank you very much for naming my shareware program D-SoundPRO for Mac. I really hope it is useful to the Roland Users community. For who is new on this list, I'm attaching a description of D-SoundPRO here below. The last version of D-SoundPRO is the 3.5.1 and it is available at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sdaino It is the official D-SoundPRO web site. There you will always find the patc= h to the last version of D-SoundPRO, info, and more. D-SoundPRO for Windows is in progress, but I really don't know when it will be ready. D-SoundPRO 4.0 will be out as soon as I'll be sure that it runs fine under MacOS X. If someone needs assistance, if you have comments or requirements about new functions or features to add in next version of D-SoundPRO, don't hesitate to write to me. Ciao Stefano Daino the author of D-SoundPRO sdaino@compuserve.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< D-SoundPRO READ ME >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ******************************************************************** D-SoundPRO 3.5.1 COPYRIGHT =A9 1998 - Stefano Daino All rights reserved ******************************************************************** D-SoundPRO is a professional Audio Sound Editor, Software Synthesizer, Wave Generator and samplers MIDI/SCSI network manager. Its features are: - Load/Save AIFF, SDII and .WAV mono/stereo 8/16 bits sound files up to 48 kHz - Akai, E-MU, Kurzweil, Roland, SMDI, Yamaha SCSI sample dump supports - MIDI SAMPLE DUMP STANDARD (also with Yamaha SY sample headers) and S50, S550, S330 MIDI supports - Virtual Synthesizer module, to play samples from the Mac Keyboard or from MIDI (also from a sequencer running on the same Mac), including a real time AmpENV ADSR module. - Midi Notes, Pitch Bender, Sustain Pedal real time midi messages support t= o play the Virtual Synthesizer - Import/Export sounds from 3 1/2 Roland=AE Samplers Disks (W30, S50, S550, S330) - Import/Export sounds in RAW format - Sophisticated and undoable sample edit & clipboard management with Redo function - Floating palettes for edit tools, loops monitoring, sample info, and Virtual Keyboard. - X-Fade looping algorithm with programmable window length & X-fade coefficient - Time Stretching (with old/new BPM tempo input parameters) and Frequency Shifting parametric algorithms by a Spectral Resynthesizer - DSP Mono, Stereo, MultiTap Delay, Stereo Chorus, Early Reflection Reverbs and Stereoizer effects - LowPass, BandPass, HighPass and BandReject analog filter simulation with feedback up to self resonance (-12, -24, -36, -48 dB/oct selectable curves) - Full Parametric (Freq, Q, Gain) three ways and 7 Bands Graphic Equalizers (+/- 18dB)=20 - Rhythm loop for fast auto looping of musical audio files - Detect BPM function, to know which is the tempo from an audio file - HQ Digital Oscillator functions to generate new synthesized sound waves (up to 10 detunable SW oscillators at the same time!) - Resample using interpolation - Pitch conversion - Normalization - Complex sample extraction functions - Zooms and visual tools - Full OMS 1.2 (or better) optional support - It is a FAT application - it runs native on PowerMac - Japanese and Italian versions available (German and French very soon) - User Manual included >=20 > and in the case of D-Sound Pro for the Mac (which I use, and was created >=20 > by Stefano Daino - Hi Stefano!) you also need to create "blank sample > slots" > the length of the sound you want to transfer. It sounds more complicated > than it really is - I created a few template disks and use them as > temps. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 10:30:54 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:30:44 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f163.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.163]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:30:34 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:30:32 -0700 Received: from 12.13.248.4 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.13.248.4] From: "Mark Jones" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup DD disks Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:30:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2000 14:30:32.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[60FABB50:01BFFD57] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Dennis said: I have a bunch of barely used DD disks for sale. I'll look and see hwo many of anyone is interested. I bought em for my s330, but use my 760 way more nowadays.. |_e_/~ ) ~\/\ / Sign me up for some Dennis. I have an S550 and a JV1000 and they both take DD's Thanks, Mark ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 11:58:58 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:58:50 -0400 Received: from corpmail.unext.com ([38.156.158.45]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:58:47 -0400 Received: from unext.com ([10.32.100.227]) by corpmail.unext.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FYQ4DU00.V2Z for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:58:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3989963B.3960651E@unext.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:56:43 -0400 From: "Alexander Tabak" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sgroup To: Subject: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies References: <39880095.2803EA11@skeletonhome.com> <200008030119.SAA13757@www.peak.sfu.ca> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0A3D79364E7E02D94056723B" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0A3D79364E7E02D94056723B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A brief note: my S-50--running OS 2.0--seems perfectly capable of formatting HD (1.4 meg) disks down to its 700 (or so) k DD standard. 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From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 12:58:50 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:58:45 -0400 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193677-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:58:27 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive19k.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.5.52]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26088 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3989A520.48709F36@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:00:16 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sampler Group Subject: sgroup Latest S-550 OS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a very recent version of the S-550 OS they'd like to make available? I could run someone through the process of creating a SDISK image if they need help. The most recent version I have at home is 1.12 but trying to read an SDISK image (the load failed) I saw version 1.15. The Roland web site and sgroup archives have the CD-5 OS but that doesn't seem to work on an S-550 without the SCSI interface (like mine). Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 13:34:17 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:34:14 -0400 Received: from ahmler2.mail.eds.com ([192.85.154.76]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:33:59 -0400 Received: from ahmlir1.mail.eds.com (ahmlir1-2.mail.eds.com [192.85.154.25]) by ahmler2.mail.eds.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10421 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ahmlir1.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ahmlir1.mail.eds.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12000 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usahm102.exmi01.exch.eds.com (usahm102.exmi01.exch.eds.com [207.37.138.190]) by ahmlir1.mail.eds.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11985 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by usahm102.exmi01.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:33:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1CF4FE310DCDD3119A1F00508BDF0A686FC1D1@usahm019.exmi01.exch.eds.com> From: "Layzell, Brian A" To: "'sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca'" Subject: sgroup sysex dump and USB Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:33:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk With all of this discussion of archiving samples, has anyone performed a comparison between serial and USB MIDI. I own an S-50 and dumping to a sysex PC file has not been an option due the slowness of this transfer. I have used the sdisk program until now. I'm wondering if I should reconsider the sysex dump method if I upgrade to a USB MIDI port. Brian - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 15:34:26 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:34:18 -0400 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.3]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:34:11 -0400 Received: from CCartCat@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 6.9.8ebbfa4 (4459) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:34:01 -0400 (EDT) From: CCartCat@aol.com Message-ID: <9.8ebbfa4.26bb2328@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:34:00 -0400 Subject: sgroup for DD disks--check Walmart To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Try Walmart for double density disks. If no good, p'haps office supply stores, Rad Shack (pricey, I think), Internet sources, ham fest/electronics swap meets, the sgroup fellow who just offered up a bunch he won't be using, etc. etc. They're out there. In a message dated 8/2/0 8:05:06 PM, you wrote: <i use HD disks with my 330 all the time. just cover the hole up so it >apears as a DD.. i do this cos HDs are easier to come by these days This will work, but in the long run it is a _bad idea_. HD disks are physically different than DD disks, and over time your HD disks _will_ degrade and lose any information you saved on them with your sampler. I saw this myself with the library that came with my own S-330 - 50% of the HD disks had failed, as opposed to zero of the DD. I also ran into the same situation trying to load up old Amiga stuff a year or so ago - again, all the DD disks worked, whereas the HD disks I'd used as DD disks were dead. You can work around this by backing up all your disks as images with SDISK or somesuch, but it's much more worthwhile, IMO, to track down some real DD disks. >> - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 17:21:56 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:21:48 -0400 Received: from shasta.gate.net ([216.219.246.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:21:34 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb1-68.gate.net [207.36.131.131]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA178902 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:21:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3989A771.5DF05705@feinsilver.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:10:10 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup sysex dump and USB References: <1CF4FE310DCDD3119A1F00508BDF0A686FC1D1@usahm019.exmi01.exch.eds.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I use a MIDI USB box...it is no faster for sample dumps than serial. adam "Layzell, Brian A" wrote: > With all of this discussion of archiving samples, has anyone performed a > comparison between serial and USB MIDI. I own an S-50 and dumping to a > sysex PC file has not been an option due the slowness of this transfer. I > have used the sdisk program until now. I'm wondering if I should reconsider > the sysex dump method if I upgrade to a USB MIDI port. > > Brian > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 17:27:57 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:27:49 -0400 Received: from shasta.gate.net ([216.219.246.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:27:39 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb1-68.gate.net [207.36.131.131]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA161722 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:27:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3989A8EB.989F648D@feinsilver.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:16:28 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: sgroup S760 going...going Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd drop one more note before going onto E-Bay. My S-760 has 24 megs and the OP-760-1P Option (mouse/video). 4 analog & 2 digital outs. Going for $1,100 here + shipping. I have an EZ135 drive with samples carts too if anyone is interested. -adam- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 18:29:05 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:29:03 -0400 Received: from sameday.request.net ([216.172.148.68]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:28:53 -0400 Received: from hugin.request.net ([208.204.14.7]) by sameday.request.net with ESMTP id <289084-31145>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:28:35 -0400 Received: from zvsserver ([209.239.213.205]) by hugin.request.net with ESMTP id <31491689-23260>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:28:28 -0400 From: "James Thomas" To: Subject: RE: sgroup for DD disks--check Walmart Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:29:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bffd9a$4d03aa60$0100a8c0@zvsserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9.8ebbfa4.26bb2328@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have an unused box of 25 I'd be interested in selling - I could throw in about another 10 that have some sounds, etc., on them. (drop me a line at zvsmedia@myauctionwatch.com / see my ebay feedback). -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of CCartCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:34 PM To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup for DD disks--check Walmart Try Walmart for double density disks. If no good, p'haps office supply stores, Rad Shack (pricey, I think), Internet sources, ham fest/electronics swap meets, the sgroup fellow who just offered up a bunch he won't be using, etc. etc. They're out there. In a message dated 8/2/0 8:05:06 PM, you wrote: <i use HD disks with my 330 all the time. just cover the hole up so it >apears as a DD.. i do this cos HDs are easier to come by these days This will work, but in the long run it is a _bad idea_. HD disks are physically different than DD disks, and over time your HD disks _will_ degrade and lose any information you saved on them with your sampler. I saw this myself with the library that came with my own S-330 - 50% of the HD disks had failed, as opposed to zero of the DD. I also ran into the same situation trying to load up old Amiga stuff a year or so ago - again, all the DD disks worked, whereas the HD disks I'd used as DD disks were dead. You can work around this by backing up all your disks as images with SDISK or somesuch, but it's much more worthwhile, IMO, to track down some real DD disks. >> - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 23:13:28 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:13:19 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:13:11 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (08-207.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.207]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA16566 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:28:38 -0700 Message-Id: <200008040328.UAA16566@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:09:32 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 In-Reply-To: <39881F76.674A26D@cityweb.de> References: <200008011630_MC2-AE3E-1E60@compuserve.com> <398749CE.19F0B7B3@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 09:17 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Ingo Debus wrote: >I never did a direct comparison, but I wouldn't expect too much. The >sample rate of converted S-550 samples is still 30 kHz. Nothing wrong with 30 kHz =). You only get another 2/3 of an octave by going up to 44. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 23:13:29 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:13:20 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10985>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:13:10 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (08-207.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.207]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA16560 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:28:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200008040328.UAA16560@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:07:30 -0400 To: sgroup From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Addendum In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 11:42 PM 8/2/00 -0400, jsegovia@mindspring.com wrote: >Does anyone know anything about buying brand new DD diskettes? Check places that cater to people with a vested interest in outdated technology - office supply stores, school bookstores, and so on. Up until recently a lot of office supply places even had those abyssmal "Quick" Disks, and most of them should have DD. The school bookstore at the university I was going to up until this last spring also had them in stock all the time - Dyson (sp?) brand. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 23:17:26 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:17:17 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:17:03 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (08-207.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.207]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA16598 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:32:41 -0700 Message-Id: <200008040332.UAA16598@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:15:23 -0400 To: "'sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca'" From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup sysex dump and USB In-Reply-To: <1CF4FE310DCDD3119A1F00508BDF0A686FC1D1@usahm019.exmi01.exc h.eds.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 01:33 PM 8/3/00 -0400, Layzell, Brian A wrote: >With all of this discussion of archiving samples, has anyone performed a >comparison between serial and USB MIDI. I own an S-50 and dumping to a >sysex PC file has not been an option due the slowness of this transfer. I >have used the sdisk program until now. I'm wondering if I should reconsider >the sysex dump method if I upgrade to a USB MIDI port. Having a USB MIDI interface won't speed up your sysex dumps at all. The bottleneck is the slow MIDI data transfer between the interface and the sampler, not the serial connection between the interface and the PC. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 23:17:29 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:17:17 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-10986>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:17:06 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (08-207.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.207]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA16601 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:32:44 -0700 Message-Id: <200008040332.UAA16601@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:16:55 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies In-Reply-To: <3989963B.3960651E@unext.com> References: <39880095.2803EA11@skeletonhome.com> <200008030119.SAA13757@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 11:56 AM 8/3/00 -0400, Alexander Tabak wrote: > A brief note: my S-50--running OS 2.0--seems perfectly capable of formatting >HD (1.4 meg) disks down to its 700 (or so) k DD standard. Does this sound >unusual to anyone? No. Your S-50 just thinks they're DD disks. Most of the old DD drives don't have a mechanism to detect the DD/HD hole, so what you're doing is still fooling it into thinking they're a kind they're not, and again, there is a high probability that those disks will become corrupt much sooner than real DD ones. My S-330 and Amiga are the same way. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 3 23:48:30 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-16711>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:48:21 -0400 Received: from smui5.eng00.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.74]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-16711>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:48:15 -0400 Received: by smui5.eng00.mindspring.net id XAA0000021279; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:48:04 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.247.6.146 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Well, I'm just about ready to give up on the idea of working with my S-550 formatted diskettes from my PC (except perhaps to back-up my existing samples - I'm fairly confident that will work). Tomorrow I go to Radio Shack to buy a cable to go from the headphone jack of my PC or laptop soundcard and into the cannon input of my S-550. I guess I'll just play the wav files from MS Media Player and sample them from the S-550. 'Looks like a fun weekend ahead. Any recommendations on how to optimize the effort? I'm worried that the headphone out will be very low level and I'll have to crank up the sampler's Rec Level knob, perhaps introducing extraneous noise. What's the very best way to handle this? BTW, over the last couple of weeks I've downloaded over 340 Megabytes of what appear to be great sounding samples off the web, all from URLs I've already posted to the list. If this works, I'll have even more great sounds to contribute to a sound library. Who's still interested in swapping sounds? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 02:28:33 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:28:27 -0400 Received: from cadsys.com.pl (cadsys2.cadsys.com.pl [212.160.167.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-268>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:27:57 -0400 Received: from wojtek (pc100.wroclaw.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.76.198.100]) by cadsys.com.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA24330 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:25:28 +0200 (EEST) Message-ID: <002e01bffddc$df28aac0$0400a8c0@wojtek> From: "Wojciech Jakobczyk" To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:25:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Well, I'm just about ready to give up on the idea of working with my S-550 formatted diskettes from my PC (except perhaps to back-up my does the format of s550 diskettes differ from w-30 format? there are at least 2 tools for w-30 which i use with much success. wojtek - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 09:03:51 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-268>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:03:42 -0400 Received: from shuswap.gate.net ([216.219.246.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-268>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:03:28 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb1-136.gate.net [207.36.131.199]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA135350 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:03:15 -0400 Message-ID: <398A8436.DD0FA9AE@feinsilver.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 04:52:07 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup sysex dump and USB References: <000101bffd9a$9dbeeeb0$0100a8c0@zvsserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Yes...I'll second that...the latency I experienced on serial has been alleviated by using USB. Now...when will Transferstation work with USB??? Why wouldn't they just patch it to work with OMS instead of their own outdated midi os? adam James Thomas wrote: > Unfortunately, the MIDI protocol's timing is the same on all interfaces. A > USB port would be a useful upgrade if you're pushing much data though - they > seem to offer very good latency (i.e. under a heavy load they can conform to > the protocol better). > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca]On > Behalf Of Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq. > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:10 AM > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup sysex dump and USB > > I use a MIDI USB box...it is no faster for sample dumps than serial. > adam > > "Layzell, Brian A" wrote: > > > With all of this discussion of archiving samples, has anyone performed a > > comparison between serial and USB MIDI. I own an S-50 and dumping to a > > sysex PC file has not been an option due the slowness of this transfer. I > > have used the sdisk program until now. I'm wondering if I should > reconsider > > the sysex dump method if I upgrade to a USB MIDI port. > > > > Brian > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 09:08:52 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-268>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:08:44 -0400 Received: from shuswap.gate.net ([216.219.246.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-268>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:08:34 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb1-136.gate.net [207.36.131.199]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11072 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: <398A856D.83C0570B@feinsilver.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 04:57:17 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca To: Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies References: <39880095.2803EA11@skeletonhome.com> <200008030119.SAA13757@www.peak.sfu.ca> <200008040332.UAA16601@www.peak.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Heheheh - I forgot that Amiga's drives were DD. My dh0: is fried anyway. What ever happened to that port of Bars & Pipes we were supposed to get??? Ben Lincoln wrote: > > My S-330 and Amiga are the same way. > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 09:28:06 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-268>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:27:56 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f267.hotmail.com [209.185.130.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:27:54 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:27:40 -0700 Received: from 24.112.158.228 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.112.158.228] From: "Andrew Petrasiunas" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:27:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2000 13:27:40.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3230BA0:01BFFE17] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Another source for DD floppies are electronic surplus stores. Most major centres have one and should still have lots available. Cost ??? >From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." >Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com >To: >CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 04:57:17 -0400 > >Heheheh - I forgot that Amiga's drives were DD. My dh0: is fried anyway. >What ever happened to >that port of Bars & Pipes we were supposed to get??? > >Ben Lincoln wrote: > > > > > My S-330 and Amiga are the same way. > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 10:09:01 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:08:58 -0400 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.246]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-268>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:08:43 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive2v1.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.11.225]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04469; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398ACEA4.D732EB9E@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:09:40 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Jakobczyk CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 References: <002e01bffddc$df28aac0$0400a8c0@wojtek> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'm sorry to impose on you, but could you let me know what the two tools are, and the detailed procedure for using each? The only one I know for working with diskettes is WAV2S550 which uses a program called winit to make a W30 floppy and then wput to move each wav. file to the floppy. I'm then supposed to use a Windows program called S550Lib to convert the W30 disk to S-550 format. Unfortunately, either S550Lib says it's not a real W30 diskette, or the disk it converts is garbage. Neither S550Lib or my S-550 can read the new diskette. Jesse Wojciech Jakobczyk wrote: > > does the format of s550 diskettes differ from w-30 format? there are at > least 2 tools for w-30 which i use with much success. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 12:27:29 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:27:23 -0400 Received: from mail.pds.libertysurf.fr (mail.libertysurf.net [213.36.80.91]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:27:04 -0400 Received: from yo (213.36.88.2) by mail.pds.libertysurf.fr (5.0.047) id 39520ED8002A35CA; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:26:22 +0200 Message-ID: <003401bffe30$97925c20$025824d5@yo> From: "lionel Genois" To: , "v.herrmann@yanadoo.fr" , "Sylvain KEPLER" , , , "pierre.codol" , "Paul BROUSSEAU" , "paul" , "Pascal Therme" , "Laurent BOBIN" , "jp barrios" , "jean codol" , "Javier Barrios" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?ga=EBlle_deffrennes?= , "Gaelle Blancher" , "FRANCOIS COFFY" , "falzei" , "Fabienne Matthew Smith" , "chalet.mottet" , "Bertrand Bonnet" , "antoine" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?andr=E9_wilzius?= , "akim" , , Subject: sgroup ?????????????? 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References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I must've made a bad disk, then. Where did you get it? Did you download the image from the sgroup archive or the Roland web site? And have you tried all the utilities with it? Jesse Mark Jones wrote: > > I use the CD-5 on my 550 w/o SCSI and it works fine. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 14:26:15 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:26:09 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:26:03 -0400 Received: from banyan.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@banyan-f [10.5.102.15]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id OAA22555; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by banyan.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id OAA12372; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Comments: OAA12372 on banyan (hop 0), Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:25:56 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@banyan To: jsegovia@mindspring.com cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Any recommendations on how to optimize the effort? I'm worried that > the headphone out will be very low level and I'll have to crank up the more likely the headphone out will be noisy and too hot. use a line out instead. also, use the best soundcard you can. anything with a headfone out might be not so good. btw, the 550 has an XLR input? 330 only has 1/4" (unbal) m - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 14:49:34 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-268>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:49:25 -0400 Received: from web1204.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.140]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193677-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:49:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 5830 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2000 18:49:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000804184909.5829.qmail@web1204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.178.174.5] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:49:09 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:49:09 -0400 From: Javier Barrios Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies To: adam@feinsilver.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Is the Amiga DD the exact same as the S-330????? I have got a generic DD drive in my s-330 and I can't seem to get it to read all of the disks. I can use the S-50 convert mode fine. But when I load the disk I just converted, I get some kind of error. "Disk Load error" I can use the S-330 in S-50 mode fine. I was wondering if the DDrives were the exact same or are they different. The other thing I found out is that Roland uses a disk drive with jumper settings on them. If anyone can point me into the right direction, I would appreciate it. Javier --- "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." wrote: > Heheheh - I forgot that Amiga's drives were DD. My > dh0: is fried anyway. What ever happened to > that port of Bars & Pipes we were supposed to get??? > > Ben Lincoln wrote: > > > > > My S-330 and Amiga are the same way. > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to > majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for > more information. > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to > majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for > more information. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 14:49:35 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-268>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:49:24 -0400 Received: from web1204.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.140]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193678-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:49:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 5830 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2000 18:49:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000804184909.5829.qmail@web1204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.178.174.5] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:49:09 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:49:09 -0400 From: Javier Barrios Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies To: adam@feinsilver.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Is the Amiga DD the exact same as the S-330????? I have got a generic DD drive in my s-330 and I can't seem to get it to read all of the disks. I can use the S-50 convert mode fine. But when I load the disk I just converted, I get some kind of error. "Disk Load error" I can use the S-330 in S-50 mode fine. I was wondering if the DDrives were the exact same or are they different. The other thing I found out is that Roland uses a disk drive with jumper settings on them. If anyone can point me into the right direction, I would appreciate it. Javier --- "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." wrote: > Heheheh - I forgot that Amiga's drives were DD. My > dh0: is fried anyway. What ever happened to > that port of Bars & Pipes we were supposed to get??? > > Ben Lincoln wrote: > > > > > My S-330 and Amiga are the same way. > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to > majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for > more information. > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to > majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for > more information. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 21:19:45 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:19:37 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:19:30 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (03-157.009.popsite.net [207.227.230.157]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22092 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:34:35 -0700 Message-Id: <200008050134.SAA22092@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:18:20 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 09:27 AM 8/4/00 -0400, Andrew Petrasiunas wrote: >Another source for DD floppies are electronic surplus stores. Most major >centres have one and should still have lots available. Cost ??? Oh yeah. That reminds me. There's a store in Seattle called Re-PC that sells packs of 100 used DD disks for like $5. Maybe 5 of those 100 will be unusable due to poor condition, but the rest are totally fine. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 21:24:01 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:23:59 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193682-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:23:48 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (03-157.009.popsite.net [207.227.230.157]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22107 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:39:26 -0700 Message-Id: <200008050139.SAA22107@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:22:30 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies In-Reply-To: <398A856D.83C0570B@feinsilver.com> References: <39880095.2803EA11@skeletonhome.com> <200008030119.SAA13757@www.peak.sfu.ca> <200008040332.UAA16601@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 04:57 AM 8/4/00 -0400, Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq. wrote: >Heheheh - I forgot that Amiga's drives were DD. My dh0: is fried anyway. What ever happened to >that port of Bars & Pipes we were supposed to get??? Dang, that is a trip down memory lane =). Now I want to set my Amiga up and sample all of the sounds from my old games. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 21:24:03 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:23:58 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193681-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:23:48 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (03-157.009.popsite.net [207.227.230.157]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22104 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:39:23 -0700 Message-Id: <200008050139.SAA22104@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:20:03 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies In-Reply-To: <20000804184909.5829.qmail@web1204.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 02:49 PM 8/4/00 -0400, Javier Barrios wrote: >Is the Amiga DD the exact same as the S-330????? They're physically the same, but formatted differently. AFAIK only Amiga disk drives can read Amiga-formatted disks. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 4 23:14:28 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-23694>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:14:18 -0400 Received: from shasta.gate.net ([216.219.246.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193683-267>; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:14:10 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb1-387.gate.net [207.36.198.196]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA109728; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: <398B4B9D.5CBD69B@feinsilver.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:02:55 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Lincoln , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies References: <39880095.2803EA11@skeletonhome.com> <200008030119.SAA13757@www.peak.sfu.ca> <200008040332.UAA16601@www.peak.sfu.ca> <200008050139.SAA22107@www.peak.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Now THAT's a sample CD I'd be interested in :-) Don't forget to grab the samples from The Killing Game Show (one of my favorites) Ben Lincoln wrote: > At 04:57 AM 8/4/00 -0400, Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq. wrote: > >Heheheh - I forgot that Amiga's drives were DD. My dh0: is fried anyway. > What ever happened to > >that port of Bars & Pipes we were supposed to get??? > > Dang, that is a trip down memory lane =). > Now I want to set my Amiga up and sample all of the sounds > from my old games. > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Aug 5 01:27:01 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-15048>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:26:53 -0400 Received: from smui5.eng00.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.74]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193685-15048>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:26:46 -0400 Received: by smui5.eng00.mindspring.net id BAA0000027583; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:26:17 -0400 From: To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Sample Conversion Program & Online Samples Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.247.2.104 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Here's a software program that will read and convert sample library CDs in different formats, including Roland and Akai, to wav or aiff files. It costs about $80 and will probably do more than that (although it doesn't seem to support the S-50/550/330). http://www.cdxtract.com/ And here's some more online samples, in native Ensoniq EPS and wav. file format. Just click on the Samples link: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Comet/6730/index.html Anyone else know of any good online sample sites? So I started re-sampling from PC to sampler tonight. 'Sounds pretty good, but noisy. Some of the original samples are pretty noisy anyway, at least when played at high volume in my PC, so I don't know if I'm losing too much by re-sampling. 'Anybody remember how to move wav files onto S-550 diskettes using a PC? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Aug 5 10:23:55 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-15047>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:23:46 -0400 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193677-15047>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:23:39 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-51-0.tnt8.me2.uunet.de [149.225.51.0]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id QAA18224 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:23:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <398C2044.CAC2C23F@cityweb.de> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:10:14 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk jsegovia@mindspring.com wrote: > > Well, I'm just about ready to give up on the idea of working with my S-550 formatted diskettes from my PC (except perhaps to back-up my existing samples - I'm fairly confident that will work). Tomorrow I go to Radio Shack to buy a cable to go from the headphone jack of my PC or laptop soundcard and into the cannon input of my S-550. I guess I'll just play the wav files from MS Media Player and sample them from the S-550. 'Looks like a fun weekend ahead. Ummm, this way you'll loose all the loop information contained in the WAV file (if there is any). You'll have to find the loop points again... lots of work. No chance to transmit the samples via MIDI? Perhaps you can get hold of an old Atari - they have a MIDI interface built in. I wrote a little prog that reads WAV files and transmits the samples to S-330/550/760. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Aug 5 10:23:57 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-15047>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:23:47 -0400 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15047>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:23:39 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-51-0.tnt8.me2.uunet.de [149.225.51.0]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id QAA18256 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:23:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <398C220B.B339C6EA@cityweb.de> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:17:49 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 References: <002e01bffddc$df28aac0$0400a8c0@wojtek> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Wojciech Jakobczyk wrote: > does the format of s550 diskettes differ from w-30 format? there are at > least 2 tools for w-30 which i use with much success. Yes, there are slight differences. Shame on Roland - they never updated the S-330 OS so that it could read W-30 floppies (same is true for S-550 I think). However, once I managed to edit a W-30 disk with a disk editor on track/sector basis so that the S-330 finally read it. The same would be possible with a hex file editor and a W-30 disk image file. The parameters were still pretty much messed up and neeeded lots of re-editing in the S-330. W-30 disks are no problem for me anymore - the S-760 reads them :-) Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Aug 5 12:46:05 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15047>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:45:58 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15047>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:45:39 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (10-094.009.popsite.net [207.227.233.94]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA23455 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:01:16 -0700 Message-Id: <200008051701.KAA23455@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:42:59 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: sgroup [ OT ] Amiga memories In-Reply-To: <398B4B9D.5CBD69B@feinsilver.com> References: <39880095.2803EA11@skeletonhome.com> <200008030119.SAA13757@www.peak.sfu.ca> <200008040332.UAA16601@www.peak.sfu.ca> <200008050139.SAA22107@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 07:02 PM 8/4/00 -0400, Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq. wrote: >Now THAT's a sample CD I'd be interested in :-) >Don't forget to grab the samples from The Killing Game Show (one of my favorites) Totally off-topic tangent: The first time I saw an Amiga was in the Electronics Boutique at a mall in Downtown Seattle, around Christmas of 1990 or so. It was an A500 running a demo of The Killing Game Show, and it had this _totally cool_ cinematic intro sequence - a dead version of the walking skull thing sitting in a desert, then running through a power-up sequence. I wanted to play that game from that day on. I didn't manage to get myself a copy until last year, when I downloaded it from the (late) Lazarus archive. I haven't lived in a place yet where there was enough space to set up my PC and my A2000 so I can network them and transfer the image over to play on a real Amiga, but I ran it under an emulator... and there's no intro! AR! Ten years I waited! Bane of my existence! It did seem to have cool sample-able sounds, though. I'm moving into a new place in two weeks that will be big enough to set them both up, and then the sample-fest will begin =). - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Aug 5 13:10:25 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15047>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:10:18 -0400 Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15047>; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:10:03 -0400 Received: from skeletonhome.com ([208.37.245.184]) by valiant.cnchost.com id NAA09767; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:09:54 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-ID: <398C4A61.46AB6E22@skeletonhome.com> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:09:54 -0400 From: Bruce Tovsky Reply-To: bruce@skeletonhome.com Organization: skeleton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup S550 Hacker mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Just a brief comment or two.... I seem to remember that using the S550 "hacker mode" (see documentation @sgroup archive) that allows the S550 to load W30 disks. I think I used it a couple of times (forgive the memory loss, it was years ago) to load W30 image files I found somewhere. I used to use the DOS version of Samplevision many years ago to load and edit S550 sounds and it worked fine - however, Turtle Beach 'upgraded' it to a Windows version which did away with the S550 (and the old Akai S612, which I still have!) support. I worked with Turtle Beach for months to try to get the S550 driver working - even to the point of lending them my S550 (they didn't have access to one) to facilitate. Incidentally, they blew the fuse on my S550 by plugging/unplugging the mouse while it was powered on - be warned!! A general blanket comment on sampling in the S550 - from my experience, sampling on the computer @ 16bit/44.1 and then downsampling to 12 bit/30 is the way to go. The AD/DA convertors in the S550 leave a lot to be desired, and bypassing them is the key to getting good sounds. (All of the Roland library was made this way.) I'm sorry I can't provide more info for the PC members of the group, part of the reason I moved to the Mac years ago was the frustrations of getting good audio on a PC - I've used Pro Tools for years and love it! I see from Stefano's post that he's working on a Windows version of D-Sound, so I urge those of you who are looking for a solid way to access your Roland disks to bend his ear on that front. I'm sure that if he knows that there are a big group of people who'll buy it he'll be more motivated to get it done. D-Sound for the Mac works great, has a lot of sound manipulating power, and for those on a budget you can't beat the price! Viva shareware! An update on the sample archive front: I got an email from John Sellens, the sgroup guru (thanks John!) concerning the creation of a writeable archive @the sgroup site. He's looking into ways to facilitate this, including looking into EGroups, but he also stated that those of us who send him image files he'll strive to put them up on the site as quickly as he can. He asked that no one send him files till next week, as he's on a slow dialup while on vacation. I would also suggest not deluging him with files, it's a lot of work to transfer all that data! Cheers Bruce - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Aug 6 05:07:31 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-14622>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 05:07:24 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com [212.120.66.198]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-14622>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 05:07:18 -0400 Received: from [212.120.82.160] by mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000806090705.NMRZ8917.mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com@[212.120.82.160]> for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:07:05 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swank.inc@mail Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 05:07:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Maurits Jonkergouw Subject: sgroup SDISK FAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This I found in my archive: From nic@carrot.com.au Wed Nov 5 17:02:00 1997 Subject: sgroup sdisk FAQ/update To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:49:31 -0500 From: nic@carrot.com.au (Nic Grant) Hello sgroupers, Since there have been a few postings on sdisk and how it does/doesn't work, inadequate documentation and so on I thought I would post the following to the sgroup list in the hope that it helps someone. Now that Roland are shipping their OS' for lots of equipment and telling people to use sdisk, as you can imagine I have had a stream of emails and it got to the point wher I was answering the same questions again and again about a little program I wrote in 1993 for sgroup! Needless to say I get bored answering the same questions and the number of emails is increasing, so I now send out a form reply to most sdisk related emails...and it is attached. If anyone using sdisk thinks of anything I should add to this, be sure to tell me ;-) Regards, Nic. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ** This is a form message ** Due to the number of requests I receive about sdisk each day, I can no longer reply to each email about sdisk individually. However, attached is some further information, including some detailed instructions on how to use sdisk step by step, which may help you. Considering sdisk was written in 1993 and that it is a free program, I am only prepared to support it to this extent. If this document does not have enough information to get it working for you, then I'm sorry, but you will either need to persevere with it (try joining the sgroup mailing list!) or find another way to do what you need to. Hope you understand. Nic Grant Carrot Top Music SDISK This document consists of updated information on sdisk. It assumes the following: 1. You have sucessfully unzipped the sdisk.zip package 2. You have read the sdisk.doc file supplied with the sdisk zip file sdisk works with diskette images for the Roland series samplers. It takes a sampler diskette and saves the entire contents to a file for emailing or uploading. It does not interpret the actual data on the sampler diskete in any way. It also takes sampler diskette image (*.out or *.sdk) files created with sdisk (or smac for the Mac, which is NOT written by me) and writes them to a diskette which can be later used in a sampler. Roland and other sites make available diskette image files for sample sets and operating system updates. sdisk can be used to 'reconstitute' these files onto a diskette. sdisk cannot convert samples from a diskette to WAV or any such format. I am led to believe that there exists a utility called 'convert' which can do this, but have never tried this first hand. For the record, I have converted samples from my S750 to WAV, using SDS over MIDI and a commercial product called 'SampleVision' and then used GoldWave or Sound Forge to convert the SampleVision .SMP file to .WAV. I have had only marginal success going the other way with this method (loop points in the data file are not preserved and I got clicks and pops). As I have hardly any need to convert from my Roland to WAV I have not pursued this any further. Now, an examination of common problems (in order of frequency) USING SDISK UNDER WINDOWS 95 or WINDOWS NT Sadly, sdisk does NOT work under win95 or win NT. This is because sdisk was written years before these two systems and because the necessary BIOS calls that sdisk makes to do its work are not honoured by the 95/NT system. You will need to boot with a version of DOS 6 or below in order to use sdisk. This is commonly done by booting from a bootable iskette with DOS 6 or below on it. The error messages that sdisk generates are varied when attempting to run under win95/NT and don't appear to make any sense. DISK SIZES sdisk sometimes generates the message 'Diskette too small/large for file' when you attempt to write a sample image file to a diskette. This is because the file you are trying to write to the diskette is indeed the wrong size for the diskette. A sample image diskette can be of one of two sizes only and each size requires a different diskette type (use DIR to see the size of the file): File Size Common File Type Diskette Needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 737280 S50/550/W30 images Double Sided/Double Density (DS/DD) OS Updates from Roland 1474560 S7XX sample images Double Sided/High Density (DS/HD) Make sure you use the correct diskette type for the file size listed. If the file size is not either of those shown above, then it may need to be uncompressed or it may not be complete. If the file you downloaded for use with sdisk has a .zip extension, you will need to use an unzip package (PKZIP, WinZIP) to uncompress the file before attempting to use it. PATHNAME BUG The first version of sdisk has a bug in it where if you specify too long a pathname for the sample image file it will generate spurious error messages and abort the read/write. The lastest version of sdisk is V1.1 which is available from http://www.carrot.com.au . I believe Roland is still shipping V1.0 which has this bug. If you're not using long pathnames you will probably never notice this bug. W30 I have had many reports that the W30 OS upgrades shipped by Roland from their site do not work once placed into the W30. I cannot confirm this as I do not have a W30 myself and I have never heard from anyone using a W30 who has reported problems to me whether they ever got it working or not. In short, I don't know, but either the W30 images at Roland are corrupt, or the W30 diskette format is not compatible with sdisk (ie. a proprietary diskette sectoring scheme only known to Roland) OK, common problems out of the way, here are step by step instructions for both reading and writing a diskete image. These steps assume: 1. In the case of writing a diskette image, the file size of the file to be written is as described above under 'DISK SIZES'. 2. You are using DOS and not win95/NT 3. Your 3.5" diskete drive is the A: drive I also recommend making a separate directory on your hard disk and storing sdisk.exe and any sample files you may wish to use in the one directory. I'm going to assume this is C:\SDISK but of course you can use any directory you like. I'm also assuming the current directory is set to this directory. Under DOS, the command 'CD \SDISK' would do that. WRITING A DISKETTE IMAGE You need to to follow the steps below to write a diskette image. Generally you want to write when you have downloaded or received a sample image file and wish to use it in your sampler, say an OS update or a sample set. For the sake of these instructions, let's assume the sample file is called SAMPLE.OUT and is in the same directory as sdisk. 1. Insert the correct size diskette in the diskette drive on the PC. 2. Change to the directory with sdisk.exe and sample.out 3. Run sdisk 4. Press the 'D' key to set the file details 5. Type 'SAMPLE.OUT' and press RETURN 6. Press the 'A' key (or if your 3.5" floppy is B:, press the 'B' key) 7. Press the 'W' key and the image file sample.out will be written onto the diskette 8. When finished, remove the diskette from the PC and put it in your sampler. If an OS disk, try to boot with it or if a sample disk, see if you can read it. If you can, then all is well. If not... READING A DISKETTE IMAGE You need to to follow the steps below to read a diskette image to a file. Generally you want to read when you wish to make a sample image file from a sampler diskette for sending to someone or maybe just as a backup on your PC. For the sake of these instructions, let's assume you have a diskette with some string samples that you want to send to a friend and will call the image file STRINGS.OUT 1. Insert the sampler diskette in the drive of the PC 2. Change to the directory with sdisk.exe and where the sample image file will be stored. 3. Run sdisk 4. Press the 'D' key to set the file details 5. Type 'STRINGS.OUT' and press RETURN 6. Press the 'A' key (or if your 3.5" floppy is B:, press the 'B' key) 7. Press the 'R' key and the image file strings.out will be written into the directory. 8. When finished, you can email this file or do whatever you like with it. In order to make the file into a sampler readable diskette you (or someone else) will need to take the file and use sdisk to write the file to a diskette, as described above. TROUBLESHOOTING Got this far, but still no luck? Well I suggest you try as a test taking a known good sampler diskette (works in the sampler fine) and try reading it to a file and then writing the file back to a different diskette. If the sampler doesn't recognise the copy (or the PC doesn't recognise the original) you may have drive alignment problems on either the PC or the sampler (most likely the sampler) and may need to get it serviced. If the test above did work, then maybe the files you are working with are corrupt, incomplete or downloaded without the 'BINARY' setting if they were FTP'ed from an Internet site. EPILOG That is it, I'm afraid. If with all of the above, you still cannot get it working, then you may need to give up on the idea or get what you need through traditional Roland support channels (or your local dealer). If you can get it working, then great and I hope sdisk is useful for you. Regards, Nic Grant Carrot Top Music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Aug 6 06:22:55 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-14623>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:22:49 -0400 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-14623>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:22:35 -0400 Received: from cartman.netbert (stan106.zip.com.au [61.8.17.106]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA26404 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:22:07 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200008061022.UAA26404@vasquez.zip.com.au> From: "Bernie Maier" To: "Roland Samplers List" Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 02:25:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Bernie Maier" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:45:37 -0400, Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq. wrote: > Roland had/has? an attachment to convert the digitals to analogs. I thought that you could hook up > a bigger SCSI device...the Jaz doesn't work well. [...] FWIW - I've been using a Jaz drive with my S-760 for a few years now without any problems. Yes, I am aware of the bad reputation of the Jaz drive. So, I treat it very carefully, and essentially use it as a fixed rather than removable disk. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Remember - prog [rock] isn't dead - it just bloats up in the sun and smells really weird..." - Henry Warwick - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Aug 6 12:44:02 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-14622>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:43:55 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-14622>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:43:44 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (04-185.009.popsite.net [207.227.230.185]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25903 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 09:59:16 -0700 Message-Id: <200008061659.JAA25903@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:43:31 -0400 To: "Roland Samplers List" From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 In-Reply-To: <200008061022.UAA26404@vasquez.zip.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 02:25 AM 8/6/00 -0400, Bernie Maier wrote: >FWIW - I've been using a Jaz drive with my S-760 for a few years now >without any problems. Yes, I am aware of the bad reputation of the Jaz >drive. So, I treat it very carefully, and essentially use it as a fixed >rather than removable disk. Yeah, if you treat them really carefully they seem to work fine. I've had one I picked up used about three years ago that hasn't freaked out on me once - and its previous job was doing backups in the IT department of a startup, so it hasn't always had a cushy life where it only gets turned on once every few weeks like it does now =). OTOH, at my last job we had one that was on 24 hours a day, being used as an external hard drive for our fileserver, and that was most definitely a bad idea. It got to the point where it wouldn't properly eject disks, and when you tried to write to one it would work fine for like thirty seconds, then sloooowww... waaayyy... down. Then it ate one of my US$100 disks, and that was the end of that. - Ben "You have failed me for the LAST TIME, Admiral Jaz Drive!" Lincoln - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Aug 6 15:27:23 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-14622>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:27:17 -0400 Received: from cocopah.gate.net ([216.219.246.49]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-14622>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:27:07 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb1-426.gate.net [207.36.198.235]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA173712 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Message-ID: <398D8445.9F3CC859@feinsilver.com> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:29:10 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Roland Samplers List To: Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 References: <200008061659.JAA25903@www.peak.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk My Jaz is on 24 hours/day...although I use it very rarely. No problems...but I'd still rather have an Orb! Ben Lincoln wrote: > At 02:25 AM 8/6/00 -0400, Bernie Maier wrote: > > >FWIW - I've been using a Jaz drive with my S-760 for a few years now > >without any problems. Yes, I am aware of the bad reputation of the Jaz > >drive. So, I treat it very carefully, and essentially use it as a fixed > >rather than removable disk. > > Yeah, if you treat them really carefully they seem to work fine. I've > had one I picked up used about three years ago that hasn't freaked > out on me once - and its previous job was doing backups in the IT > department of a startup, so it hasn't always had a cushy life where > it only gets turned on once every few weeks like it does now =). > OTOH, at my last job we had one that was on 24 hours a day, > being used as an external hard drive for our fileserver, and that > was most definitely a bad idea. It got to the point where it wouldn't > properly eject disks, and when you tried to write to one it would > work fine for like thirty seconds, then sloooowww... waaayyy... > down. Then it ate one of my US$100 disks, and that was the end > of that. > > - Ben "You have failed me for the LAST TIME, Admiral Jaz > Drive!" Lincoln > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Aug 6 16:30:37 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-14623>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:30:28 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-14623>; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:30:18 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (10-068.009.popsite.net [207.227.233.68]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26296 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 13:45:46 -0700 Message-Id: <200008062045.NAA26296@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:30:02 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 In-Reply-To: <398D8445.9F3CC859@feinsilver.com> References: <200008061659.JAA25903@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 11:29 AM 8/6/00 -0400, Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq. wrote: >My Jaz is on 24 hours/day...although I use it very rarely. No problems...but I'd still rather have >an Orb! I've heard mixed reviews of the Orb, and been generally cautious about possible quality issues due to its low price tag. Does anyone on this list own one that they can comment on? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 7 03:55:56 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-18043>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:55:49 -0400 Received: from cadsys.com.pl (cadsys2.cadsys.com.pl [212.160.167.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-18043>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:55:17 -0400 Received: from wojtek (pc100.wroclaw.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.76.198.100]) by cadsys.com.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06327 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:54:46 +0200 (EEST) Message-ID: <00b901c00044$ce291970$0400a8c0@wojtek> From: "Wojciech Jakobczyk" To: References: <002e01bffddc$df28aac0$0400a8c0@wojtek> <398ACEA4.D732EB9E@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 03:55:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I'm sorry to impose on you, but could you let me know what the two tools > are, and the detailed procedure for using each? > > The only one I know for working with diskettes is WAV2S550 which uses a > program called winit to make a W30 floppy and then wput to move each > wav. file to the floppy. I'm then supposed to use a Windows program > called S550Lib to convert the W30 disk to S-550 format. Unfortunately, > either S550Lib says it's not a real W30 diskette, or the disk it > converts is garbage. Neither S550Lib or my S-550 can read the new > diskette. i use wput,wget (don't use winit, format disks on my w30). recently i discovered tool smfw30, which works fine, too. wojtek - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 7 14:30:55 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-18043>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:30:46 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:30:35 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27121; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (sjspc.portal.com [156.151.55.107]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05699; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: , "sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup S550 Hacker mode Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:30:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <398C4A61.46AB6E22@skeletonhome.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Wow...John Sellens still lives? Cool. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 10:10 AM > To: sgroup > Subject: sgroup S550 Hacker mode > > > Just a brief comment or two.... > I seem to remember that using the S550 "hacker mode" > (see documentation @sgroup archive) that allows the S550 > to load W30 disks. I think I used it a couple of times > (forgive the memory loss, it was years ago) to load W30 > image files I found somewhere. I used to use the DOS > version of Samplevision many years ago to load and edit > S550 sounds and it worked fine - however, Turtle Beach > 'upgraded' it to a Windows version which did away with > the S550 (and the old Akai S612, which I still have!) > support. I worked with Turtle Beach for months to try > to get the S550 driver working - even to the point of > lending them my S550 (they didn't have access to one) > to facilitate. Incidentally, they blew the fuse on my S550 > by plugging/unplugging the mouse while it was powered > on - be warned!! > A general blanket comment on sampling in the S550 - > from my experience, sampling on the computer @ 16bit/44.1 > and then downsampling to 12 bit/30 is the way to go. > The AD/DA convertors in the S550 leave a lot to be desired, > and bypassing them is the key to getting good sounds. > (All of the Roland library was made this way.) I'm sorry > I can't provide more info for the PC members of the group, > part of the reason I moved to the Mac years ago was the > frustrations of getting good audio on a PC - I've used Pro > Tools for years and love it! I see from Stefano's post that > he's working on a Windows version of D-Sound, so I urge > those of you who are looking for a solid way to access your > Roland disks to bend his ear on that front. I'm sure that if he > knows that there are a big group of people who'll buy it he'll > be more motivated to get it done. D-Sound for the Mac works > great, has a lot of sound manipulating power, and for those on > a budget you can't beat the price! Viva shareware! > An update on the sample archive front: > I got an email from John Sellens, the sgroup guru (thanks John!) > concerning the creation of a writeable archive @the sgroup site. > He's looking into ways to facilitate this, including looking into > EGroups, but he also stated that those of us who send him image > files he'll strive to put them up on the site as quickly as he can. > He asked that no one send him files till next week, as he's on a > slow dialup while on vacation. I would also suggest not deluging > him with files, it's a lot of work to transfer all that data! > Cheers > Bruce > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 7 14:34:34 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-18043>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:34:25 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193677-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:34:17 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27350; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (sjspc.portal.com [156.151.55.107]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05708; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'Ben Lincoln'" , Subject: RE: sgroup s760 / s770 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:34:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <200008040328.UAA16566@www.peak.sfu.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk well.. on this I will definitely beg to differ. The roland library is definitely one of the best libraries ever done. Eric Pershing is a certified genius. However, the pianos and strings on the S-550 never left me satisfied, that's one reason i got the K2500. This is primarily due to 12 bit and 30 kHz. Don't get me wrong, there are still oodles of incredibly cool samples in the S-550 lib, but you're kidding yourself if you think that you're only missing 2/3 an octave. You're missing ALL KINDS of overtone frequencies... > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lincoln [mailto:angelform@iname.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 8:10 PM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 > > > At 09:17 AM 8/2/00 -0400, Ingo Debus wrote: > > >I never did a direct comparison, but I wouldn't expect too much. The > >sample rate of converted S-550 samples is still 30 kHz. > > Nothing wrong with 30 kHz =). You only get another 2/3 of an > octave by going up to 44. > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 7 14:39:15 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:39:08 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:38:58 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27586; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (sjspc.portal.com [156.151.55.107]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05749; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'Ingo Debus'" , Subject: RE: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:38:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <39881ECE.3D97FDEB@cityweb.de> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ingo, Interesting. If its not efficient at converting, I can live with that. I can live with redundant samples in memory...even if on the S-550 the subtones make better use of memory. The big question for me is, will the samples sound as good played back on the S-760 as they do on the S-550? The S-550 has the interpolation algorithms to make 12bit/30kHz sound a lot better than it should. The same samples played back on something WITHOUT that feature may not sound so good. No? Also, can your S-760 read S-550 CD-ROMS? -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Ingo Debus [mailto:debus@cityweb.de] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 6:15 AM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 > > > > > Steve Schow wrote: > > > > So I would guess that the convert function converts the > other program data, > > in addition to raw sample data.... > > If you mean the ability to convert S-550 Patch/Tone parameters into > S-760 Patch/Patial/Sample parameters, yes, these are > converted as far as > the S-760 parameters allow for that (the envelopes are pretty > different > for instance...). The S-550 "Play" parameters (or however they are > called - those parameters acessible in Play mode: which Patch responds > to which MIDI channel etc.) are not converted. > Here's what I wrote about conversion a while ago: > Ingo Debus wrote: > > > > It can read S-550, S-330 and W-30 disks, that's why I got > my S-760 back > > then (had some boxes full of those disks). But IMHO it > doesn't this job > > too well: if there are two Tones layered in a S-330 Patch, > *two* S-760 > > Patches are created. And, since the S-760 has no Sub-Tones, each > > Sub-Tone is converted into a real Sample/Partial. If the > Start/Loop/End > > points of the Original Tone and Sub-Tone are the same, this could be > > done more memory-efficiently. > > Ingo > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 7 14:43:13 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:43:06 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:42:56 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27801; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (sjspc.portal.com [156.151.55.107]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05779; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'Jesse Segovia'" , "dennis barton" Cc: , Subject: RE: sgroup s760 / s770 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:42:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <398749CE.19F0B7B3@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk A question that I have too. Not only that, but the S-550 has the interpolation feature to smooth out playback of lower bitrate/samplerate samples. It makes them sound better than they actually are. So what happens when these same samples are played back on the S-760? -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Segovia [mailto:jsegovia@mindspring.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:06 PM > To: dennis barton > Cc: adam@feinsilver.com; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup s760 / s770 > > > > The 770 can read 550 disks. I think you *might* need to > "convert load" but > > I don't recall. Might read em directly. It's been a while.. > > Can anyone speak to what an S-550 sample sounds like when played by a > 760/770? Is it exactly like the 550 or a little brighter? > > Jesse > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 7 14:45:10 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-18043>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:45:01 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193681-18043>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:44:58 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27922; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (sjspc.portal.com [156.151.55.107]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05784; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: , "sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup Comments from the field Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:44:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <39880027.43790E1C@skeletonhome.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Bruce, There is one other CD by Outrigger Productions that floated around for a while. Anyone have it? -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Tovsky [mailto:bruce@skeletonhome.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 4:04 AM > To: sgroup > Subject: sgroup Comments from the field > > > Fellow S550/S50/S330/W30 users > Just got back from a well-deserved European vacation and found > a flurry of activity on the usually quiet list, so I thought I'd add > a few observations for some of the new members. > In my experience, all of the sample libraries of 12-bit "S" series > patches are at least 10-12 years old, and were dated when they were > compiled. I have the Club 50 CD (not made by Roland, but by a > group called Club 50) the Universe of Sounds CDs (there were 2) > and the Roland Sample library (which came with the CD-5 CD-ROM > made by Roland - which originally listed for something like $3,000!) > Most of the current companies who provide samples on floppies are > simply selling their old sounds, I know of no one who sells new sounds > for our beloved 12-bit babies. What I've been doing for the last few > years > is using one of the plethora of sample editing programs to create (or > buy) > samples and load them into my S550 via one of the handful of shareware > apps that allow you to save sounds to ROLAND FORMATTED FLOPPIES. > I purposefully scream this phrase because it is one of the most > pervasive > misconceptions about using any of these apps - all of them > (that I know > of) > need to see a disk formatted by the S550 (or S50, etc.) You need to > format, > and in the case of D-Sound Pro for the Mac (which I use, and > was created > > by Stefano Daino - Hi Stefano!) you also need to create "blank sample > slots" > the length of the sound you want to transfer. It sounds more > complicated > > than it really is - I created a few template disks and use them as > temps. > This way you can troll the internet for new, hip sounds - try > Samplenet > - > and use them in your fat thick 12-bit box. I would welcome a > new archive > > of sounds and would love to contribute to it. Anyone with > questions fell > > free to email me directly. And for those in need of manuals, > I have the > latest > manuals for the S550, the CD-5 software, and the SCSI interface, and I > could scan and email sections for anyone needing info. > Good Luck! > Bruce Tovsky > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 7 21:19:39 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:19:30 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193682-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:19:23 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (06-086.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.86]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28991 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:34:48 -0700 Message-Id: <200008080134.SAA28991@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:19:03 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: RE: sgroup s760 / s770 In-Reply-To: References: <200008040328.UAA16566@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 11:34 AM 8/7/00 -0700, Steve Schow wrote: >well.. on this I will definitely beg to differ. The roland library is >definitely one of the best libraries ever done. Eric Pershing is a >certified genius. However, the pianos and strings on the S-550 never left >me satisfied, that's one reason i got the K2500. This is primarily due to >12 bit and 30 kHz. Don't get me wrong, there are still oodles of incredibly >cool samples in the S-550 lib, but you're kidding yourself if you think that >you're only missing 2/3 an octave. You're missing ALL KINDS of overtone >frequencies... I'm not trying to be difficult here, but it's a fact of digital audio systems that when you jump from 22kHz to 44kHz you only get one more octave of overtones, so going from 30kHz to 44 kHz you get even less. Part of the reason the S-550/330 sounds a little less perfect is the 12-bit resolution, but that alters the accuracy of the amplitude of each sample, not the frequency components. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 7 21:29:07 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193687-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:29:02 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193683-18042>; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:28:46 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18228; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (sjspc.portal.com [156.151.55.107]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19500; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'Ben Lincoln'" , Subject: RE: sgroup s760 / s770 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:28:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <200008080134.SAA28991@www.peak.sfu.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Yes, from 15 kHz to 22 kHz. that is prime high frequency content range. True, only half an octave in terms of musical notes...but its a full 7000 Hz of linear frequencies that are just plain missing. This is important harmonic content...you can hear that its missing. Its like rolling off the top end...at 15 kHz.... And the fact that its 12 bit ALSO detracts. Its both things. the 12 bit is primarily the dynamic range though..and the interpolation algorithms help out a lot there on the S-550 to smooth out inconsistencies. that is probably the main reason that the S-550 sounded almost as good as other 16 bit samplers of its day. But make no mistake about it....the missing 7 kHz from the topend is VERY noticeable. -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lincoln [mailto:angelform@iname.com] > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:19 PM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: RE: sgroup s760 / s770 > > > At 11:34 AM 8/7/00 -0700, Steve Schow wrote: > >well.. on this I will definitely beg to differ. The roland > library is > >definitely one of the best libraries ever done. Eric Pershing is a > >certified genius. However, the pianos and strings on the > S-550 never left > >me satisfied, that's one reason i got the K2500. This is > primarily due to > >12 bit and 30 kHz. Don't get me wrong, there are still > oodles of incredibly > >cool samples in the S-550 lib, but you're kidding yourself > if you think that > >you're only missing 2/3 an octave. You're missing ALL KINDS > of overtone > >frequencies... > > I'm not trying to be difficult here, but it's a fact of > digital audio > systems > that when you jump from 22kHz to 44kHz you only get one more octave > of overtones, so going from 30kHz to 44 kHz you get even > less. Part of > the reason the S-550/330 sounds a little less perfect is the 12-bit > resolution, > but that alters the accuracy of the amplitude of each sample, not the > frequency components. > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 8 09:45:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-29819>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:45:08 -0400 Received: from picker.com (central2.picker.com [144.54.3.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-29819>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:45:02 -0400 Received: from [144.54.52.93] (HELO kayak.ct.picker.com) by picker.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3b1) with SMTP id 5130801 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:44:44 -0400 Received: by kayak.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA14801; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:44:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:44:43 -0400 From: shermane@ct.picker.com (Sherman) Message-Id: <200008081344.JAA14801@kayak.ct.picker.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: B&P - was Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > From adam@feinsilver.com Fri Aug 4 09:09:29 2000 > What ever happened to > that port of Bars & Pipes we were supposed to get??? > Tudor is on the Bars & Pipes list on egroups. Not being a PeeCee user I don't remember the name of the programs, but it is more directed to composing music for games. He seems very positive about it and its future. -Mike -------------------------------------------------------------- Michael E. Sherman michael.sherman@marconimed.com Marconi Medical Systems voice: 440-483-4609 CT Engineering fax: 440-483-7098 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 8 09:51:40 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-29820>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:51:32 -0400 Received: from picker.com (central2.picker.com [144.54.3.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-29820>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:51:25 -0400 Received: from [144.54.52.93] (HELO kayak.ct.picker.com) by picker.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3b1) with SMTP id 5131061 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:51:14 -0400 Received: by kayak.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA14803; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:51:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:51:13 -0400 From: shermane@ct.picker.com (Sherman) Message-Id: <200008081351.JAA14803@kayak.ct.picker.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Necessity of DD floppies X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > From: Javier Barrios > Is the Amiga DD the exact same as the S-330????? I used mine without problems with a S-550. -Mike -------------------------------------------------------------- Michael E. Sherman michael.sherman@marconimed.com Marconi Medical Systems voice: 440-483-4609 CT Engineering fax: 440-483-7098 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 8 14:50:42 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-29820>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:50:34 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-29820>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:50:09 -0400 Received: from palm.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@palm-f [10.5.102.11]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id OAA09423; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by palm.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id OAA16159; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Comments: OAA16159 on palm (hop 0), Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:49:42 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@palm To: Steve Schow cc: "'Ben Lincoln'" , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup s760 / s770 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > And the fact that its 12 bit ALSO detracts. Its both things. the 12 bit is > primarily the dynamic range though..and the interpolation algorithms help the fact that its 12 bit also makes for considerably more waveform distortion. thats a bigger issue to me than dynamic range. m - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 8 15:29:17 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-29819>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:29:09 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-29819>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:28:58 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive2tr.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.11.187]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24983; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39905FDD.66144204@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:30:37 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Jakobczyk CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 References: <002e01bffddc$df28aac0$0400a8c0@wojtek> <398ACEA4.D732EB9E@mindspring.com> <00b901c00044$ce291970$0400a8c0@wojtek> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Wojciech Jakobczyk wrote: > i use wput,wget (don't use winit, format disks on my w30). recently i > discovered tool smfw30, which works fine, too. Unfortunately I don't have a W-30 so I don't know if winit works for me or not. The only thing I have that works with W30 disks is S550LIB and as I've said I have all kinds of trouble with that. Tell more more about smfm30 (a web search resulted in no hits). Is this a PC tool which writes wav. files to W30 disks in the floppy disk drive? What else does it do? And how can I get it? Are there any other PC programs which will format a W30 diskette and then convert it to S-550 format? Anything else that will write a wav. file to a floppy? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 04:24:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:24:01 -0400 Received: from cadsys.com.pl (cadsys2.cadsys.com.pl [212.160.167.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:23:47 -0400 Received: from wojtek (pc100.wroclaw.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.76.198.100]) by cadsys.com.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13767 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:23:16 +0200 (EEST) Message-ID: <004401c001db$19eb23c0$0400a8c0@wojtek> From: "Wojciech Jakobczyk" To: References: <002e01bffddc$df28aac0$0400a8c0@wojtek> <398ACEA4.D732EB9E@mindspring.com> <00b901c00044$ce291970$0400a8c0@wojtek> <39905FDD.66144204@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:23:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > > i use wput,wget (don't use winit, format disks on my w30). recently i > > discovered tool smfw30, which works fine, too. > Unfortunately I don't have a W-30 so I don't know if winit works for me > or not. The only thing I have that works with W30 disks is S550LIB and > as I've said I have all kinds of trouble with that. > > Tell more more about smfm30 (a web search resulted in no hits). Is this > a PC tool which writes wav. files to W30 disks in the floppy disk > drive? yes. > What else does it do? setup patch data. > And how can I get it? http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/utilities/w30/SMFW30.zip > Are there any other PC programs which will format a W30 diskette and > then convert it to S-550 format? Anything else that will write a wav. > file to a floppy? if you just want to write to w30 disk just use wput. any problems with that? wojtek - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 08:57:20 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20517>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:57:15 -0400 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.157]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20517>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:57:00 -0400 Received: from smui1.atl.mindspring.net (smui1.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.121]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07679; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:56:29 -0400 (EDT) From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Received: by smui1.atl.mindspring.net id IAA0000003769; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:56:23 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Cc: Wojciech Jakobczyk Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 207.121.232.66 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Wojciech Jakobczyk wrote: > http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/utilities/w30/SMFW30.zip Thanks. I'll check it out ASAP. > if you just want to write to w30 disk just use wput. any problems with that? Actually, I want to write to S-550 diskettes but I don't know of any utilities to write wav. files directly to S-550 format. But, yes, I do have problems with wput. Since I don't have a W30, I have to use winit to format a W30 diskette on my PC. Then I use wput to write to the W30 floppy. But now comes the problem. The only way I now have to convert W30 diskettes to S-550 format is the Windows program (also from the sgroup archive) S550LIB. And as I've said before, that doesn't work for me on any PC I've tried. 1) Sometimes S550LIB says the diskette in the drive is NOT a W30 diskette. Failure! 2) Sometimes it recognizes the W30 diskette and let's me run the S550LIB Convert program (W30 to S-550 format). But the result is garbage; if I load it into the S-550 I get blinking nonsense characters where the disk, patch and tone information should be, and no sound comes out of the sampler. If I even ask S550LIB to load the new converted disk, I get garbage, so S550LIB doesn't even recognize its own output! Do you know of a better way to convert W30 disks to S-550 format? When the W30 was new I converted the W30 sounds diskette to S-550 format (I've still got it) but I don't remember how. Does the W30 itself allow you to do that? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 08:59:54 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20517>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:59:46 -0400 Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20517>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:59:42 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-33-213.tnt5.me2.uunet.de [149.225.33.213]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id OAA19590 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:59:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <39915267.474D642D@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:45:27 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Question on Modern Samplers, Price Check on S-770 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Steve Schow wrote: > The big question for me is, will the > samples sound as good played back on the S-760 as they do on the S-550? The > S-550 has the interpolation algorithms to make 12bit/30kHz sound a lot > better than it should. The same samples played back on something WITHOUT > that feature may not sound so good. No? I just toyed around a little with it: loaded the "S-330 System Disk 1 Piano" (which came with the S-330) into both the S-330 and the S-760 (conversion is slooow on the S-760...). I couldn't hear any artefacts like aliasing or quantization noise on either sampler, not even with headphones, and both samplers sounded equally "bright" *if* (see below) the filter was full open. Perhaps the sound was slightly buzzy (on both samplers), but this might as well be in the original piano's sound. Well, I'm almost 42 and most probably I can't hear anything above 15 kHz, so I don't know if others indeed might hear differences. *But*: The convert load of the S-760 does a really bad job when converting parameters: the velocity sensitivity of filter cutoff on the S-760 is *much* higher than on the S-330. So, if you want to sound and react both samplers the same, some parameter tweaking is required. Are there other S-330/550 samples than pianos where you would suspect a bigger difference between the samplers? > Also, can your S-760 read S-550 CD-ROMS? According to the manual yes, but I never tried it. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 09:16:42 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:16:32 -0400 Received: from cadsys.com.pl (cadsys2.cadsys.com.pl [212.160.167.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:16:24 -0400 Received: from wojtek (pc100.wroclaw.sdi.tpnet.pl [213.76.198.100]) by cadsys.com.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14991 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:16:07 +0200 (EEST) Message-ID: <001501c00203$fed0d430$0400a8c0@wojtek> From: "Wojciech Jakobczyk" To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup Re-sampling Wav Files Into My S-550 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:16:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > But, yes, I do have problems with wput. Since I don't have a W30, I have to use winit to format a W30 diskette on my PC. Then I use wput > to write to the W30 floppy. But now comes the problem. The only way I now have to convert W30 diskettes to S-550 format is the Windows > program (also from the sgroup archive) S550LIB. And as I've said before, that doesn't work for me on any PC I've tried. > > 1) Sometimes S550LIB says the diskette in the drive is NOT a W30 diskette. Failure! > > 2) Sometimes it recognizes the W30 diskette and let's me run the S550LIB Convert program (W30 to S-550 format). But the result is > garbage; if I load it into the S-550 I get blinking nonsense characters where the disk, patch and tone information should be, and no sound > comes out of the sampler. If I even ask S550LIB to load the new converted disk, I get garbage, so S550LIB doesn't even recognize its own > output! maybe the problem is on the side of winit. instead of (or maybe after) formatting disk with it, try to load blank w30 image on your diskette using sdisk. after that, write samples with wput and convert it via s550lib. i believe you'll find such a blank disk image with smfw30, or i can make one for you. > Do you know of a better way to convert W30 disks to S-550 format? When the W30 was new I converted the W30 sounds diskette to S-550 > format (I've still got it) but I don't remember how. Does the W30 itself allow you to do that? i don't think so. it's got special menu only for s50 disks. wojtek - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 14:17:46 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:17:39 -0400 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:17:25 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive0eq.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.1.218]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24142 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3991A160.6BC83C4A@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:22:24 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Sampling Story References: <001501c00203$fed0d430$0400a8c0@wojtek> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk All this talk of converting samples reminded me of a sampling story. In the late 80s, I bought so much equipment at Wurlitzers music store in Boston they used to let me do just about anything I wanted. They let me sample all their drum machines, check out all their sample libraries, and they even let me hog a brand new Korg M-1 for a whole night while I sampled it. While I was standing there with headphones on, sampling their M-1 into their Roland S-550, guess who walks into the store but the Korg USA national executives! The store manager was walking them around giving them the tour and bragging how well they were doing moving Korg units when the senior Korg guy asked 'how can you sell the M-1 if this guy is keeping it all to himself and no one else can check it out?' The store manager didn't miss a beat; he said 'we're sampling it to prove it sounds just as good when it's sampled into different sampler brands.' That was enough for the Korg guy. I thought the story manager was going to give it to me after they left but he never said a word. Nice guy! Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 19:43:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:43:01 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-oe19.hotmail.com [216.32.180.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:42:54 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:42:45 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [203.27.24.8] Reply-To: "casey" From: "casey" To: Subject: Fw: sgroup Latest S-550 OS? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:46:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 23:42:45.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[84518B70:01C0025B] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: Mark Jones ; Sampler Group Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2000 3:42 Subject: Re: sgroup Latest S-550 OS? > I must've made a bad disk, then. Where did you get it? Did you > download the image from the sgroup archive or the Roland web site? > > And have you tried all the utilities with it? > > Jesse > > Mark Jones wrote: > > > > I use the CD-5 on my 550 w/o SCSI and it works fine. > ........................................................................... ...... Hey can this bit of software be used with the S760 ? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 21:38:40 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20517>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:38:31 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f56.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.56]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20517>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:38:28 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:38:22 -0700 Received: from 216.0.34.77 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.0.34.77] From: "Mark Jones" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Fw: sgroup Latest S-550 OS? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:38:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2000 01:38:22.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB0CC170:01C0026B] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > > I must've made a bad disk, then. Where did you get it? Did you > > download the image from the sgroup archive or the Roland web site? > > > > And have you tried all the utilities with it? > > > > Jesse > > > > Mark Jones wrote: > > > > > > I use the CD-5 on my 550 w/o SCSI and it works fine. > > >........................................................................... >...... >Hey can this bit of software be used with the S760 ? > Sorry but no. It is exclusive to the 550. Mark ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 21:52:32 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:52:25 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.21]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:52:15 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:52:08 -0700 Received: from 216.0.34.77 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.0.34.77] From: "Mark Jones" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup A friend is looking for MB89352P SCSI-chips! Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:52:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2000 01:52:08.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[9757D320:01C0026D] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Peter wrote: >Hallo! > >One of my friends wants to build a revival of the S550-SCSI-interface. >The layout is ready for the first try but he still needs some of the >MB89352P chips >to check out his design. > >So if you have any chips or know about a source please let me know! >I will forward the information... > >Sources in Europe are preferred... but other sources are possible too! > >Ciao >Peter > > \|/ > (o o) >--oOOO--(_)--OOOo---------------------------------------------------- > .oooO ( ) Oooo. ----\ (----( >)---------------------------------------------------- > \_) ) / > (_/ > > Peter I have no idea about the chip. What I would like to say is that you absolutely MUST keep us posted! I'm sure there are plenty of potential customers on this group. Thanks, Mark ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 22:00:38 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:00:29 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f140.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.140]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-20516>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:00:19 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:00:15 -0700 Received: from 216.0.34.77 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.0.34.77] From: "Mark Jones" To: jv80@egroups.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Sys-ex to sampler? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:00:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2000 02:00:15.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9B419A0:01C0026E] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I am planning to use my S-550 to provide the drums and other miscellaneous samples to my JV1000 songs. I was wondering if it was possible to record the sampler's settings to the beginning of the song in the same way performance data and V-EXP settings are recorded? If so what can and cannot be recorded? I would like to get all song data to one disk instead of two or three. Thanks, Mark ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 9 23:41:14 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20517>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:41:06 -0400 Received: from repulse.cnchost.com (repulse.concentric.net [207.155.248.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20517>; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:40:59 -0400 Received: from skeletonhome.com ([208.37.245.184]) by repulse.cnchost.com id XAA00797; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:40:47 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-ID: <3992243E.A36A28DC@skeletonhome.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:40:16 -0400 From: Bruce Tovsky Reply-To: bruce@skeletonhome.com Organization: skeleton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Manuals etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Fellow S550 users Due to the many requests floating around the list these days I've been contemplating some possible schemes of piracy. I would appreciate feedback and comments from the group. I have a pretty complete collection of S-550 info, including the S-550 vers 1.1 manual, the "S-550 ver 1.1 Supplementary explanation" pamphlet (basically updates a ver 1.0 manual to 1.1), the "S-550/S-330 Additional Functions and Corrections in the Owner's Manual" orange sheet, the S-550 System Disk Sound Library green sheet, the info sheet on "Creating a Performance disk for the S-550", the info sheet "S-330/S-550 Supplemental Notes" (both downloads circa 1998 from the Roland website - no longer to be found) the Roland RSB-501 through RSB-5506 disk list (boxed sets of 10 disks each - no longer available AFAIK) Note: just a list of what's on each set of disks, the CD-5 CD-ROM info sheet, as well as the CD-5 owners manual and the HD5-IF Hard Disk Interface owners manual, the S-550 "Service Notes" manual (the schematics, specifications and service notes bible) and finally an old (circa 1991) article from Keyboard by Ted Greenwald called "Getting the most out of your Roland S-50/550/330" which is chock full of helpful tips. I also have a strictly spec info oriented "shoot-out" article from Keyboard (1989) that compares a group of samplers - the S-550 fares very well. Here's my conundrum: all of this stuff is copyrighted of course, yet most of it is obsolete and/or unavailable. I understand that the manuals are still available from Roland, albeit fairly expensive. I would love to make this stuff available to others on the list who need it - seems like quite a few of you - and am trying to figure out a way to do that. To keep costs down I thought of scanning and OCR'ing everything and making a html or doc file as a kind of 'compendium' for the S550. Any suggestions? BTW, I scanned the Roland website for "S-550" stuff - nothing. But I did find some stuff on the ftp site: ftp://ftp.rolandus.com/pub/roland/libdata/ Cheers Bruce - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 10 08:55:50 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-17266>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:55:38 -0400 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-17266>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:55:35 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive2p2.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.11.34]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04845; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3992A773.55C88230@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:00:35 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Jones CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup A friend is looking for MB89352P SCSI-chips! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk If anyone is truly serious about this, please read all the sgroup archived messages. I've just gone through the first batch and there's tons of useful information, much of it on the technical aspects of the Roland samplers. I'd be surprised if it's really not in there. Jesse Mark Jones wrote: > > Peter wrote: > >Hallo! > > > >One of my friends wants to build a revival of the S550-SCSI-interface. > >The layout is ready for the first try but he still needs some of the > >MB89352P chips > >to check out his design. > > > >So if you have any chips or know about a source please let me know! > >I will forward the information... > > > >Sources in Europe are preferred... but other sources are possible too! > > > >Ciao > >Peter > > > > \|/ > > (o o) > >--oOOO--(_)--OOOo---------------------------------------------------- > > > .oooO ( ) Oooo. ----\ (----( > >)---------------------------------------------------- > > \_) ) / > > (_/ > > > > > Peter I have no idea about the chip. What I would like to say is that you > absolutely MUST keep us posted! I'm sure there are plenty of potential > customers on this group. > Thanks, > Mark > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 10 10:59:59 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:59:51 -0400 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:59:48 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive2o4.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.11.4]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06190; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3992C48A.54A807DC@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:04:43 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Jones CC: jv80@egroups.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Sys-ex to sampler? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Where you say one disk instead of two or three, do you mean sending ALL sampler data for each song, including the sample data? You can certainly send patch changes, volume and pitch info, etc. as part of your sequence. But sending the samples themselves involves sending sysex data which takes a very long time, longer than loading the disks themselves. Plus, data is data; I don't believe you could store two disks worth of samples onto a single disk of MIDI sequencer data. I used to play live with my S-550 but we only ever used it as a horn section (my D-50 and D-110 did most of the work). So I wasn't changing samples or patches during the show. Jesse Mark Jones wrote: > > Hi guys, > I am planning to use my S-550 to provide the drums and other miscellaneous > samples to my JV1000 songs. I was wondering if it was possible to record the > sampler's settings to the beginning of the song in the same way performance > data and V-EXP settings are recorded? If so what can and cannot be recorded? > I would like to get all song data to one disk instead of two or three. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 10 11:37:46 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-17266>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:37:40 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f228.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.228]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-17266>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:37:26 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:37:11 -0700 Received: from 12.13.248.12 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.13.248.12] From: "Mark Jones" To: jv80@egroups.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Sys-ex to sampler? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:37:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2000 15:37:11.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9D1F780:01C002E0] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I want to send everything except patch data. What I want to do is use the JV1000 sequencer to set up the S-550 so that all I have to do is load the drum samples. When I say one disk instead of two or three, I mean is it possible to load a sequence on the 1000 and have this trigger my SYS553 without having to do anything more than load the samples and the 553 software? This would be much better than having to load the JV sequencer w/MIDI sequence, then load the corresponding SYS553 MIDI sequence. What I'm basically trying to do is put both sequencer files into the JV1000 and have it load the SYS553 MIDI data automatically. This is of course assuming that the correct samples are loaded and the SYS553 is running. If this is not possible, I may just bypass the SYS553 and program the whole sequence on the JV onboard seq. or vice versa. But I really, really want to use the SYS for the drums because its pattern based. Jesse wrote: >Where you say one disk instead of two or three, do you mean sending ALL >sampler data for each song, including the sample data? You can >certainly send patch changes, volume and pitch info, etc. as part of >your sequence. But sending the samples themselves involves sending >sysex data which takes a very long time, longer than loading the disks >themselves. Plus, data is data; I don't believe you could store two >disks worth of samples onto a single disk of MIDI sequencer data. > >I used to play live with my S-550 but we only ever used it as a horn >section (my D-50 and D-110 did most of the work). So I wasn't changing >samples or patches during the show. > >Jesse > >Mark Jones wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > I am planning to use my S-550 to provide the drums and other >miscellaneous > > samples to my JV1000 songs. I was wondering if it was possible to record >the > > sampler's settings to the beginning of the song in the same way >performance > > data and V-EXP settings are recorded? If so what can and cannot be >recorded? > > I would like to get all song data to one disk instead of two or three. > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 10 12:56:40 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:56:32 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:56:20 -0400 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@cypress-f [10.5.102.14]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id MAA12626; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id MAA27417; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Comments: MAA27417 on cypress (hop 0), Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:55:59 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: Mark Jones cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup A friend is looking for MB89352P SCSI-chips! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >MB89352P chips going to be hard to find. did some quick searches at electronics suppliers and on the web in general.. nothing. darn m - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 10 13:00:49 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-17266>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:00:45 -0400 Received: from corpmail.unext.com ([38.156.158.45]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-17266>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:00:35 -0400 Received: from unext.com ([10.32.100.227]) by corpmail.unext.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZ35WN00.GLM for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:00:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3992DF2A.7E789BAB@unext.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:58:18 -0400 From: "Alexander Tabak" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Sys-ex to sampler? References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E232242F1C7D8EC10DB2D199" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E232242F1C7D8EC10DB2D199 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where does one find this 'SYS553'? I've heard it's lame, but a lame sequencer might suit my needs better than no sequencer! -Alec Mark Jones wrote: > I want to send everything except patch data. What I want to do is use the > JV1000 sequencer to set up the S-550 so that all I have to do is load the > drum samples. > When I say one disk instead of two or three, I mean is it possible to load a > sequence on the 1000 and have this trigger my SYS553 without having to do > anything more than load the samples and the 553 software? This would be much > better than having to load the JV sequencer w/MIDI sequence, then load the > corresponding SYS553 MIDI sequence. What I'm basically trying to do is put > both sequencer files into the JV1000 and have it load the SYS553 MIDI data > automatically. This is of course assuming that the correct samples are > loaded and the SYS553 is running. > If this is not possible, I may just bypass the SYS553 and program the whole > sequence on the JV onboard seq. or vice versa. But I really, really want to > use the SYS for the drums because its pattern based. > > Jesse wrote: > >Where you say one disk instead of two or three, do you mean sending ALL > >sampler data for each song, including the sample data? You can > >certainly send patch changes, volume and pitch info, etc. as part of > >your sequence. But sending the samples themselves involves sending > >sysex data which takes a very long time, longer than loading the disks > >themselves. Plus, data is data; I don't believe you could store two > >disks worth of samples onto a single disk of MIDI sequencer data. > > > >I used to play live with my S-550 but we only ever used it as a horn > >section (my D-50 and D-110 did most of the work). So I wasn't changing > >samples or patches during the show. > > > >Jesse > > > >Mark Jones wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > I am planning to use my S-550 to provide the drums and other > >miscellaneous > > > samples to my JV1000 songs. I was wondering if it was possible to record > >the > > > sampler's settings to the beginning of the song in the same way > >performance > > > data and V-EXP settings are recorded? If so what can and cannot be > >recorded? > > > I would like to get all song data to one disk instead of two or three. > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. --------------E232242F1C7D8EC10DB2D199 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=iso-8859-2; name="atabak.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for alexander tabak Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="atabak.vcf" begin:vcard n:Tabak;Alec K. tel;pager:(312) 562-1197 tel;cell:(847) 702-7682 tel;work:(847) 444-8262 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.unext.com, http://www.cardean.com org:UNext.com;Cardean University adr:;;500 Lake Cook Road;Deerfield;IL;60015;US version:2.1 email;internet:atabak@unext.com title:Cardean Technical Author, Consultant fn:Alec K. 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From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 10 13:35:27 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:35:21 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:35:15 -0400 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@cypress-f [10.5.102.14]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id NAA14317; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id NAA15586; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Comments: NAA15586 on cypress (hop 0), Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:34:56 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: Alexander Tabak cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Sys-ex to sampler? In-Reply-To: <3992DF2A.7E789BAB@unext.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Where does one find this 'SYS553'? I've heard it's lame, but a lame sequencer > might suit my needs better than no sequencer! nah, it was probably me dissin it. my usual cynical self. its not lame per say, just limited. great for drums -- simple stuff like hip-hop, rock beats, since its patern based. just dont try make jungle anthems on it. it will bog down. but nowadays i prefer cubasis. simpler than cubase, and just as effective for drum programming good luck finding it tho. the damm dongle is obsolete. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 10 16:16:50 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-17266>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:16:45 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-17266>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:16:30 -0400 Received: from home.com ([24.9.141.226]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000810201627.DUHD24297.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:16:27 -0700 Message-ID: <39930F7A.E2F92519@home.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:24:27 -0400 From: shaynefair X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup 760 & 770 video monitors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk hello all: i know this has gone round a couple of times, but what is the absolute best video monitor & video switcher for these machines? and does anyone know where one might get one in orange county, calyfornia????? thanks much shayne fair http://www.mp3.com/shaynefair - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 10 21:30:27 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:30:18 -0400 Received: from shuswap.gate.net ([216.219.246.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:30:12 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tswpb1-357.gate.net [207.36.198.166]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA39278 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: <39931F1B.E93B993F@feinsilver.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:31:08 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca To: Subject: Re: sgroup 760 & 770 video monitors References: <39930F7A.E2F92519@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I highly recommend a TV tuner card...it saves physical space and avoids electromagnetic distortion. adam shaynefair wrote: > hello all: > > i know this has gone round a couple of times, but what is the absolute > best > video monitor & video switcher for these machines? > > and does anyone know where one might get one > in orange county, calyfornia????? > > thanks much > > shayne fair > > http://www.mp3.com/shaynefair > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 10 21:53:57 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:53:49 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-17267>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:53:38 -0400 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@cypress-f [10.5.102.14]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id VAA00236; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id VAA26815; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Comments: VAA26815 on cypress (hop 0), Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:53:17 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup 760 & 770 video monitors In-Reply-To: <39931F1B.E93B993F@feinsilver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I highly recommend a TV tuner card...it saves physical space and avoids > electromagnetic distortion. i want one of those. whats the current best deal and outright performer of a tuner card? but EM radiation causing interaction between my moniters isnt a problem for me (NEC monocrome directly next to a MAG 17"). thin sheet metal (18-24 gauge steel) , or even heavy duty aluminum foil (wont stop electroMAGNETIC radiation, but solved my flicker probolem none the less) will usually eliminate distortions caused by even the closest placement. you can get stuff like that cut to size at a (good) hardware store for next to nothing. try a cookie sheet inbetween to see if it will help first, before you spend any time/money on it. mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 11 07:50:10 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-27632>; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:50:04 -0400 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-27632>; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:49:58 -0400 Received: from cartman.netbert (ike217.zip.com.au [210.23.146.217]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA15105 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:49:42 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200008111149.VAA15105@vasquez.zip.com.au> From: "Bernie Maier" To: "Roland Samplers List" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:50:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Bernie Maier" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sgroup 760 & 770 video monitors Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:53:17 -0400, mike p wrote: > > > I highly recommend a TV tuner card...it saves physical space and avoids > > electromagnetic distortion. > > i want one of those. whats the current best deal and outright performer of > a tuner card? I'd like to use a tuner card, but my PCs always seem to have all their IRQs used (due to SCSI, MIDI, Audio, Graphics, Network cards etc.). So can anyone who uses these cards state whether or not they have had resource conflicts or other interoperability problems? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Remember - prog [rock] isn't dead - it just bloats up in the sun and smells really weird..." - Henry Warwick - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Aug 12 04:08:59 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10182>; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:08:50 -0400 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10182>; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:08:36 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-26-73.tnt2.me2.uunet.de [149.225.26.73]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA03629 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:08:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <399405C7.DE5449E@cityweb.de> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:55:19 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup 760 & 770 video monitors References: <39930F7A.E2F92519@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk shaynefair wrote: > i know this has gone round a couple of times, but what is the absolute > best > video monitor & video switcher for these machines? Don't know which monitor is best, but make sure you get one with a RGB input (S-video might be fine too). A friend of mine uses an old Commodore computer monitor with both RGB and "composite video" (cinch) inputs. The picture is *far* better with RGB. It requires a special cable though, although the plugs are the same, the pinning isn't. If using a monochrome monitor (which is sufficient IMHO), again the picture is much better when connected to the s-video (Y pins) output rather than to the composite video output. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Aug 12 15:01:58 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10182>; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:01:51 -0400 Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10182>; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:01:45 -0400 Received: from [63.81.56.175] [63.81.56.175] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id AF15C5040144; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:01:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: tgoodwin@mail.tidalwave.net Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:01:43 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Tim Goodwin Subject: sgroup Roland's Keyboards of the `60's & 70's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Has anybody seen a really good price on Roland's Keyboards of the `60's & 70's VOL. II CD-ROM ? How about the DA/400 for the S-760 ? Thanks Tim Goodwin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Aug 12 16:09:17 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10182>; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:09:10 -0400 Received: from thunderer.cnchost.com (thunderer.concentric.net [207.155.252.72]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10182>; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:09:00 -0400 Received: from skeletonhome.com ([208.37.245.184]) by thunderer.cnchost.com id QAA27873; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:08:53 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-ID: <3995AED4.62159DA3@skeletonhome.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:08:51 -0400 From: Bruce Tovsky Reply-To: bruce@skeletonhome.com Organization: skeleton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ullrich Peter CC: sgroup Subject: sgroup copying cd-r's References: <0931E18C3147D411A0B900A0C9CC39D65B95D7@hati.kapsch.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Peter & I wrote this about the possibility of swapping S550 sounds: >I have no problems with swapping, other than the time it >would take to copy the sounds from the CD-Rs to image >files! Since you can't read the CD-Rs on a computer (at >least I don't know of a way) one would have to transfer >the patches one-at-a-time. Right now I don't have the days >to spare! I got a W30-CD that Gabor Picacs made with his W30-CD program and this CD is in the S550 format. With my CD-writer (old one) I simple make a 1:1 disk copy and it works fine! I can't read the directory but the copy works fine!!! Peter Here's the follow up: Well I tried a bunch of ways to use Toast on my Mac to copy an S550 format CD-R and nothing I can do can get my Mac to see the CD-R. I've found a whole variety of info on cloning CDs on a PC, so I assume that it's possible on the Mac with the right software/expertise combo. Anyone out there have any ideas? Bruce - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Aug 12 23:06:02 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10182>; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:05:55 -0400 Received: from va.com.au ([203.15.106.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-10182>; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:05:44 -0400 Received: from [203.26.95.38] (203.26.95.38) by va.com.au with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:35:26 +0930 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:20:15 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Peter Sansom Subject: sgroup iMac and SCSI transfers Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello sampler friends, I am considering buying an iMac but I would still like to use it for SCSI sample transfer - obviously via some form of USB to SCSI adptor. I would like to know if anyone esle has done this and has it worked , have there been problems and any other issues that may need considering. Thanks Peter S http://sustenance.va.com.au - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 14 12:18:00 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-14032>; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:17:51 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-14031>; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:17:49 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive1oq.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.7.26]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01791; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39981CAD.94DFB066@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:22:05 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Goodwin CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Roland's Keyboards of the `60's & 70's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Wow! 'never heard of this. Was it for the 7X0 samplers? What's it sound like? Jesse Tim Goodwin wrote: > > Has anybody seen a really good price on Roland's Keyboards of the > `60's & 70's VOL. II CD-ROM ? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 14 15:31:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-14031>; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:30:59 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f191.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.191]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-14032>; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:30:56 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:30:48 -0700 Received: from 12.13.248.12 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.13.248.12] From: "Mark Jones" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup 2DD floppies Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:30:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2000 19:30:48.0967 (UTC) FILETIME=[266E7170:01C00626] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey Gang, Guess what? I found a company that manufactures 2DD floppies for our beloved machines! They are a bulk manufacturer, but you can buy 500 disks for $90+s&h. Not a bad deal. Then we'll never have to worry about running out. ;o) The site is: http://www.wdatamedia.com/floppy.html Thanks, Mark ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 16 08:44:01 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-4750>; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:43:53 -0400 Received: from mars.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.8.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-4750>; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:43:43 -0400 Received: from balu.kapsch.co.at (148.198.14.248) by mars.kapsch.co.at (MX V5.1-AX An9h) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:43:31 +0200 Received: by balu.kapsch.co.at with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:43:36 +0200 Message-ID: <0931E18C3147D411A0B900A0C9CC39D65B970C@hati.kapsch.co.at> From: Ullrich Peter To: 'Mark Jones' , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: AW: sgroup A friend is looking for MB89352P SCSI-chips! Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:43:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo Mark! >Peter I have no idea about the chip. What I would like to say is that you >absolutely MUST keep us posted! I'm sure there are plenty of potential >customers on this group. I searched the archieves and the internet and found some email adresses, but no useable response until now. There is one company that could find some but they only handle requests 1000$ up :-( I will let you know when I can find some chips. Maybe my friend can offer his S550-SCSI-Boards when he can find some chips... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: http://come.to/ullrich or the full link http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3586/ Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician .oooO KAPSCH AG / ECCN Vienna / Austria ( ) Oooo. Traffic Control and Transmission Technology ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 16 10:30:21 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-4750>; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:30:13 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-4750>; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:30:03 -0400 Received: from banyan.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@banyan-f [10.5.102.15]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id KAA31803; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by banyan.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id KAA14429; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Comments: KAA14429 on banyan (hop 0), Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:29:53 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@banyan To: Ullrich Peter cc: "'Mark Jones'" , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: AW: sgroup A friend is looking for MB89352P SCSI-chips! In-Reply-To: <0931E18C3147D411A0B900A0C9CC39D65B970C@hati.kapsch.co.at> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > useable response until now. There is one company that could find some but they only > handle requests 1000$ up :-( thats great! i didnt expect you to find ANY. how many is that, a few hundred? how much did the interface sell for originally? sell 10 for $100 a piece and yr getting close to breaking even. not bad! ive done some digital design, if yr friend isnt insterested in this (possibly only supply of these chips) maybe ill have a shot at it. m - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 17 02:11:59 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9262>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:11:50 -0400 Received: from va.com.au ([203.15.106.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9262>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:11:47 -0400 Received: from [203.16.208.65] (203.16.208.65) by va.com.au with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:41:29 +0930 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:26:21 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Peter Sansom Subject: sgroup USB -> SCSI adaptors and Sample transfer. Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello s-groovers Has anyone had _any_ experience with SCSI dumping via a USB to SCSI adaptor on any of the new macs ? I would really appreciate hearing of any experiences doing sample dumps this way. I will be dumping to a S-760 . Please , someone here must have done this ? Peter S http://sustenance.va.com.au/d/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 17 16:02:29 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9263>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:02:20 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f175.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.175]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9263>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:02:10 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:02:06 -0700 Received: from 12.13.248.12 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.13.248.12] From: "Mark Jones" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Comments from the field Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:02:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2000 20:02:06.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[04E7BDB0:01C00886] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Bruce, I am ordering the CD-5 manual from Roland (for 33 stinkin bucks) and I was wondering: If I order this manual, do I still need the original manual or is the CD-5 manual comprehensive and inclusive of all functions? Or is it just an update of the old manual? Thanks, Mark Jones >Fellow S550/S50/S330/W30 users >Just got back from a well-deserved European vacation and found >a flurry of activity on the usually quiet list, so I thought I'd add >a few observations for some of the new members. >In my experience, all of the sample libraries of 12-bit "S" series >patches are at least 10-12 years old, and were dated when they were >compiled. I have the Club 50 CD (not made by Roland, but by a >group called Club 50) the Universe of Sounds CDs (there were 2) >and the Roland Sample library (which came with the CD-5 CD-ROM >made by Roland - which originally listed for something like $3,000!) >Most of the current companies who provide samples on floppies are >simply selling their old sounds, I know of no one who sells new sounds >for our beloved 12-bit babies. What I've been doing for the last few >years >is using one of the plethora of sample editing programs to create (or >buy) >samples and load them into my S550 via one of the handful of shareware >apps that allow you to save sounds to ROLAND FORMATTED FLOPPIES. >I purposefully scream this phrase because it is one of the most >pervasive >misconceptions about using any of these apps - all of them (that I know >of) >need to see a disk formatted by the S550 (or S50, etc.) You need to >format, >and in the case of D-Sound Pro for the Mac (which I use, and was created > >by Stefano Daino - Hi Stefano!) you also need to create "blank sample >slots" >the length of the sound you want to transfer. It sounds more complicated > >than it really is - I created a few template disks and use them as >temps. >This way you can troll the internet for new, hip sounds - try Samplenet >- >and use them in your fat thick 12-bit box. I would welcome a new archive > >of sounds and would love to contribute to it. Anyone with questions fell > >free to email me directly. And for those in need of manuals, I have the >latest >manuals for the S550, the CD-5 software, and the SCSI interface, and I >could scan and email sections for anyone needing info. >Good Luck! >Bruce Tovsky > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 17 23:38:43 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9263>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:38:34 -0400 Received: from warspite.cnchost.com (warspite.concentric.net [207.155.248.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-9262>; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:38:31 -0400 Received: from skeletonhome.com ([208.37.245.184]) by warspite.cnchost.com id XAA27955; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:38:25 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-ID: <399CAFB0.C9E246BB@skeletonhome.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:38:38 -0400 From: Bruce Tovsky Reply-To: bruce@skeletonhome.com Organization: skeleton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Jones CC: sgroup Subject: sgroup CD-5 Manual References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Mark I have the CD-5 manual in my hand, all 51 pages of it, and unfortunately it only covers the revisions to the operating system and sampler as it relates CD-5 Cd-Rom unit. A large part of the manual relates specifically to the Cd-Rom units' hook-up, set-up and use. The CD-5 operating system - the last revision Roland made (officially) to the S-550 OS - only diffes from the other versions in the added features used with the CD-5 unit. An earlier revision covered use of the HD5-IF hard disc interface, which you need to use the CD-5 Cd-Rom unit.) I am still working on the scans and OCR'ing of the manuals, but it will take some time, so as I've stated in the past, if you or anyone has a specific problem or question about the use of the S-550 I can send that specific info, plus any additional tidbits I might have. Good Luck! Bruce - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 21 10:55:26 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-16611>; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:55:18 -0400 Received: from tigre.ucb.br ([200.236.72.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-16611>; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:55:01 -0400 Received: from poli06 (country.ucb.br [200.236.72.12]) by tigre.ucb.br (8.11.0/8.11.0-HS1) with ESMTP id e7LEs0r12804 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:54:14 -0200 Message-ID: <003901c00b80$27e9ff60$087d000a@ucb.br> Reply-To: "Ls2" From: "Ls2" To: Subject: sgroup s550 utility disk Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:57:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I own a s550 and cant sample anything because my utility disk is lost. Where can i find it on the net? Do i need to have a S550 formatted disk to copy it ??? Do i need to use SDISK?? thnks. ___________________________ http://pagina.de/tuntistun - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 21 11:09:27 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-16611>; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:09:16 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.207]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-16611>; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:09:06 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:08:56 -0700 Received: from 12.13.248.12 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.13.248.12] From: "Mark Jones" To: ls2@mymail.com.br, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Roland's old website Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:08:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2000 15:08:56.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9F37200:01C00B81] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi guys, Just letting you in on a little secret. You can still access the old Roland website if you want to download anything from there the URL is: http://209.144.99.11 Have Fun! Mark ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 21 11:09:32 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-16611>; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:09:28 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f139.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.139]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-16611>; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:09:22 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:09:14 -0700 Received: from 12.13.248.12 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.13.248.12] From: "Mark Jones" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Roland's old website Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:09:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2000 15:09:14.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4BC37D0:01C00B81] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi guys, Just letting you in on a little secret. You can still access the old Roland website if you want to download anything from there the URL is: http://209.144.99.11 Have Fun! Mark ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 22 08:13:52 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-25065>; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:13:44 -0400 Received: from mail.lear.com ([206.253.228.166]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193673-25064>; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:13:35 -0400 Received: from 10.0.4.95 by mail.lear.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:12:24 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: by inet-imc-01.headquarters.lear.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:12:23 -0400 Message-ID: <70533B83BB16D111852D00805F59F04D55B3C4@oakville.oakville.lear.com> From: "Gallagher, Jon" To: Sgroup Subject: sgroup S-50 monitors Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:12:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C00C32.3930A000" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00C32.3930A000 Content-Type: text/plain Howdy! Does anyone have a list of compatible RGB monitors for these beasts..?? Even better... Does anyone know where to find these types of monitors??? Another interesting site to check out is: www.lilchips.com Jon ------_=_NextPart_001_01C00C32.3930A000 Content-Type: text/html S-50 monitors

Howdy!

Does anyone have a list of compatible RGB monitors for these beasts..??
Even better... Does anyone know where to find these types of monitors???

Another interesting site to check out is: www.lilchips.com

Jon

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From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 22 09:51:44 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-25064>; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:51:35 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (oe46.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-25064>; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:51:34 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:51:32 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [193.250.109.102] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:52:39 -0400 Subject: sgroup W30 original disks From: Livefield To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <70533B83BB16D111852D00805F59F04D55B3C4@oakville.oakville.lear.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2000 13:51:32.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[14960470:01C00C40] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi does anyone have the original W30 disks with sounds and songs and can make copies ? My first one (with the nice acoustic guitar) is out of use... Thanks ! Steph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 22 15:30:15 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-25064>; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:30:06 -0400 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-25064>; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:29:59 -0400 Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07486 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:29:46 -0400 (EDT) From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id PAA0000010790; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:29:46 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup W30 original disks Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 207.121.232.66 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've got one of the samples diskettes. I'll check and see which one it is and let you know; if it's the one you want, I'll send the sdisk image to you. Jesse Livefield wrote: > Hidoes anyone have the original W30 disks with sounds and songs and can make copies ? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 23 09:51:21 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-19413>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:51:14 -0400 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193677-19413>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:51:03 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive1ju.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.6.126]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29219 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A3D80F.D32A75AF@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:56:31 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup W30 original disks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The W30 sound diskette I have contains the patches: HugeOrchstra AllKnwnSound Guitar Hit Is this the one you want? Also, it's been converted to an S-550 diskette; can the W30 read S-550 disks? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 23 13:38:15 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:38:07 -0400 Received: from web1405.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.169]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-19413>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:37:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 8247 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2000 17:42:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000823174224.8246.qmail@web1405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.24.225] by web1405.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:42:24 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:42:24 -0400 From: "Theme MoTif." Subject: sgroup request To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Is it possible that a digest version of this mailing list be created? The number of emails a day is overwhelming. Thanks. ===== HTTP://LISTEN.TO/WCOR THEMEMUZIK@YAHOO.COM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 23 14:04:44 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:04:34 -0400 Received: from web1802.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.45]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:04:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 4489 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2000 18:04:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000823180426.4488.qmail@web1802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.251.112.33] by web1802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:04:26 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:04:26 -0400 From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup request To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --- "Theme MoTif." wrote: > Is it possible that a digest version of this mailing > list be created? The number of emails a day is > overwhelming. Thanks. Overwhelming? I'd hardly call this list overwhelming. It's actually the lowest-traffic list I have ever been on. We might average maybe 5 a day here? That's not much! ===== OMZ BLI Recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 23 14:16:00 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-19413>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:15:52 -0400 Received: from mail2.lear.com ([165.207.8.200]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193677-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:15:42 -0400 Received: from 10.0.4.95 by mail2.lear.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:14:19 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: by inet-imc-01.headquarters.lear.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:14:18 -0400 Message-ID: <70533B83BB16D111852D00805F59F04D55B3FB@oakville.oakville.lear.com> From: "Gallagher, Jon" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup request Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:14:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk unless it was sarcasm.. > -----Original Message----- > From: omz [SMTP:spiralinsana@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:04 PM > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup request > > --- "Theme MoTif." wrote: > > Is it possible that a digest version of this mailing > > list be created? The number of emails a day is > > overwhelming. Thanks. > > Overwhelming? I'd hardly call this list overwhelming. It's actually the > lowest-traffic list I have ever been on. We might average maybe 5 a day > here? > That's not much! > > > > > ===== > > OMZ > > BLI Recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf > Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW > http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 23 14:21:41 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:21:34 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:21:18 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01321; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (lg1s8p12.dashmail.net [216.36.20.96]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04058; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'omz'" , Subject: RE: sgroup request Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:20:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20000823180426.4488.qmail@web1802.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk no kidding. > -----Original Message----- > From: omz [mailto:spiralinsana@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:04 AM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup request > > > --- "Theme MoTif." wrote: > > Is it possible that a digest version of this mailing > > list be created? The number of emails a day is > > overwhelming. Thanks. > > Overwhelming? I'd hardly call this list overwhelming. It's > actually the > lowest-traffic list I have ever been on. We might average > maybe 5 a day here? > That's not much! > > > > > ===== > > OMZ > > BLI Recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf > Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW > http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 23 14:32:01 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:31:54 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:31:44 -0400 Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00414 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:31:43 -0400 (EDT) From: jsegovia@mindspring.com Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id OAA0000004683; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:31:42 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup request Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 207.121.232.66 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk If it was sarcasm, then it's pretty funny. 8-) But please, if you'd like more traffic on this list, then contribute more. Realizing we're mostly talking about equipment that's been outdated for over ten years (the S-770 came out in 88-89, right?) I suppose we're doing pretty good as it is. I finally got my sample library list scanned in and I'm still putting it in a legible format (thirteen pages of very small text in four columns each page), after which I'll post it to the list if no one minds. I believe someone said our list meister has made or will make available space for us to share a reasonable amount of samples. I'd like to see some input on how to go about putting together an easily-accessible library for everyone to talk advantage of. Plus, now that I have a legitimate tool for moving wav. files into my S-550 (thanks, Ingo), I'd like to make those samples available to the list as well. If it wasn't sarcasm, well, then ... Jesse "Gallagher, Jon" wrote: > unless it was sarcasm.. > -----Original Message----- > From: omz [SMTP:spiralinsana@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:04 PM > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup request > > --- "Theme MoTif." wrote: > > Is it possible that a digest version of this mailing > > list be created? The number of emails a day is > > overwhelming. Thanks. > > Overwhelming? I'd hardly call this list overwhelming. It's actually the > lowest-traffic list I have ever been on. We might average maybe 5 a day > here? > That's not much! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 23 14:36:00 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-19413>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:35:57 -0400 Received: from web1405.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.169]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-19413>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:35:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 22389 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2000 18:40:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000823184013.22388.qmail@web1405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.24.225] by web1405.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:40:13 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:40:13 -0400 From: "Theme MoTif." Subject: sgroup midi To: Sgroup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I am having trouble controlling my w30 via midi with my alesis sr16... although, the w30 can control the sr16 just fine.... can anyone help? I want to trigger samples in the w30 with my drum machine ===== HTTP://LISTEN.TO/WCOR THEMEMUZIK@YAHOO.COM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 23 18:02:27 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:02:23 -0400 Received: from shuswap.gate.net ([216.219.246.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-19412>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:02:04 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tsftl3-68.du.gate.net [207.36.239.68]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10092 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: <39A410BA.66F5D75B@feinsilver.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:58:19 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup request References: <20000823180426.4488.qmail@web1802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hehe...how many weeks were there where NO messages came through? adam omz wrote: > --- "Theme MoTif." wrote: > > Is it possible that a digest version of this mailing > > list be created? The number of emails a day is > > overwhelming. Thanks. > > Overwhelming? I'd hardly call this list overwhelming. It's actually the > lowest-traffic list I have ever been on. We might average maybe 5 a day here? > That's not much! > > ===== > > OMZ > > BLI Recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf > Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW > http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 23 23:41:27 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-19413>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:41:20 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-19413>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:41:04 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (04-183.009.popsite.net [207.227.230.183]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA18640 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:57:07 -0700 Message-Id: <200008240357.UAA18640@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:39:44 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup request In-Reply-To: <20000823174224.8246.qmail@web1405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 01:42 PM 8/23/00 -0400, Theme MoTif. wrote: >Is it possible that a digest version of this mailing >list be created? The number of emails a day is >overwhelming. Thanks. As others have mentioned, hopefully this was a joke. The sgroup list has almost no traffic at all - I've been on several lists that had twenty to one-hundred-fifty new posts per day, and even then the list admins didn't create a digest =). - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 24 09:13:28 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-7377>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:13:20 -0400 Received: from mail2.lear.com ([165.207.8.200]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-7378>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:13:06 -0400 Received: from 10.0.4.95 by mail2.lear.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:11:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: by inet-imc-01.headquarters.lear.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:11:39 -0400 Message-ID: <70533B83BB16D111852D00805F59F04D55B416@oakville.oakville.lear.com> From: "Gallagher, Jon" To: Sgroup Subject: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Pads Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:11:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Guys, My local music store has a used Digitizer Pad (I think it's DT-100) for sale..I'm not sure if I should pick it up. Does anyone use one of these things?? Or is it just something that will end up gathering dust?? Any thoughts?? Help?? Thanks Jon - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 24 10:39:33 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-7378>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:39:28 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-7378>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:39:13 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive1kv.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.6.159]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26274; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39A534D4.C5182D5B@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:44:36 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gallagher, Jon" , Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Pads References: <70533B83BB16D111852D00805F59F04D55B416@oakville.oakville.lear.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk What do they want for it? This is the one that allows you to draw waveforms into the S-330 and S-550, right? I never used one so I don't know what else you can do with it but if you spend a lot of time sampling and editing your samples it might be worthwhile. Jesse "Gallagher, Jon" wrote: > > Guys, > My local music store has a used Digitizer Pad (I think it's DT-100) for > sale..I'm not sure if I should pick it up. Does anyone use one of these > things?? Or is it just something that will end up gathering dust?? > Any thoughts?? Help?? > > > Thanks > Jon > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 24 14:00:13 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-7378>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:00:06 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.232]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-7378>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:59:56 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id LAA08487; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.165) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma008484; Thu, 24 Aug 00 11:02:44 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc7.generalconcepts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA46927; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:59:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:59:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200008241759.NAA46927@gc7.generalconcepts.com> From: John Sellens To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca, thememuzik@yahoo.com Subject: Re: sgroup request Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk | From sgroup-owner@hugin.uunet.ca Thu Aug 24 02:33:47 2000 | Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:42:24 -0400 | From: "Theme MoTif." | Subject: sgroup request | To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca | | Is it possible that a digest version of this mailing list be created? Not at the present time, sorry. John - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 24 14:04:13 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-7377>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:04:05 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.232]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-7377>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:03:58 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id LAA08508; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.165) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma008501; Thu, 24 Aug 00 11:06:13 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc7.generalconcepts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA47004; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:02:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:02:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200008241802.OAA47004@gc7.generalconcepts.com> From: John Sellens To: jsegovia@mindspring.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup request Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk | From sgroup-owner@hugin.uunet.ca Thu Aug 24 02:34:04 2000 | From: jsegovia@mindspring.com | Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:31:42 -0400 | To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca | Subject: RE: sgroup request | | I believe someone said our list meister has made | or will make available space for us to share a reasonable amount | of samples. Yes. Contact me. My connectivity is generally pretty good, so mailing sample files should work just fine for me (unless I'm travelling and dialed in from some slow hotel or something), or we can do whatever is most convenient. | I'd like to see some input on how to go about putting | together an easily-accessible library for everyone to talk advantage | of. I'm trying to concoct a more interactive mechanism than a read-only FTP site, but I haven't had much time to devote to sgroup-ish things lately. Cheers John jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 24 14:14:17 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-7378>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:14:12 -0400 Received: from ops.yyz.gnac.net ([209.250.142.232]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-7378>; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:13:57 -0400 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id LAA08560; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.165) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma008556; Thu, 24 Aug 00 11:16:39 -0700 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc7.generalconcepts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA47283; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:13:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:13:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200008241813.OAA47283@gc7.generalconcepts.com> From: John Sellens To: adam@feinsilver.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup request Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk | Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:58:19 -0400 | From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." | Subject: Re: sgroup request | | Hehe...how many weeks were there where NO messages came through? (Geez I'm talkative today) Monthly message totals for the first half of 2000: 18 200001.idx 64 200002.idx 26 200003.idx 13 200004.idx 21 200005.idx 17 200006.idx 159 total Total for 1999 was 355 messages, 1998 550, 1997 820. So, current average is a little less than 1 message per day, but as you say, it's very "bursty". John jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Aug 25 02:29:43 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-12261>; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:29:36 -0400 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-12261>; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:29:26 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-28-43.tnt3.me2.uunet.de [149.225.28.43]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id IAA10211 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:29:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <39A5470F.49FA2C2E@cityweb.de> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:02:28 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup DT-100 Digitizer Pads References: <70533B83BB16D111852D00805F59F04D55B416@oakville.oakville.lear.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Gallagher, Jon" wrote: > My local music store has a used Digitizer Pad (I think it's DT-100) for > sale.. I'm just curious, what is this? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Aug 28 09:06:22 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15503>; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:06:14 -0400 Received: from bassia.wanadoo.fr (smtp-rt-5.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.159]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15503>; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:06:11 -0400 Received: from andira.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.152) by bassia.wanadoo.fr; 28 Aug 2000 14:59:26 +0200 Received: from [193.250.100.81] (193.250.100.81) by andira.wanadoo.fr; 28 Aug 2000 14:59:18 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: sgroup W30 original fisks From: Jos'n'Steph To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000823184013.22388.qmail@web1405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, does anybody have the W30 original disks ? My own disks (the first one) are out of use... thanks Steph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 29 17:53:05 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-21488>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:52:57 -0400 Received: from ares.idirect.com ([207.136.80.180]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-21488>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:52:47 -0400 Received: from [24.114.131.180] (cr812322-a.hnsn1.on.wave.home.com [24.114.131.180]) by ares.idirect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA36978; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008292148.RAA36978@ares.idirect.com> Subject: Re: sgroup USB -> SCSI adaptors and Sample transfer. Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:56:30 -0400 x-sender: nebula@postoffice.idirect.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Steve Cowan To: "Peter Sansom" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Has anyone had _any_ experience with SCSI dumping via a USB to >SCSI adaptor on any of the new macs ? If you have a Mac with PCI slots, I strongly recommend the Adaptec 2906 card for light-to-medium SCSI duties. It's about the same price or cheaper than a USB/SCSI adaptor, and offers better performance. I've had one in my G4 since March and it is flawless. The only drawback to the 2906 is that as long as it is in your computer, it will not fully go into "low power" sleep mode. === Steve Cowan ... reverb@home.com === Check out infindebula - Toronto's premiere illbient/improv live p.a. www.nubreed.com/infindebula - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 29 18:12:20 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-21488>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:12:12 -0400 Received: from web1405.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.23.169]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-21488>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:12:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 29094 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2000 22:21:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000829222125.29093.qmail@web1405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.3.24.225] by web1405.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:21:25 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:21:25 -0400 From: "Theme MoTif." 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Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-1804289383-967587685=:28886-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Aug 29 20:34:19 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-21488>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:34:12 -0400 Received: from cocopah.gate.net ([216.219.246.49]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193677-21488>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:34:02 -0400 Received: from feinsilver.com (tsftl3-306.du.gate.net [199.227.189.52]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA249248 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:33:53 -0400 Message-ID: <39AC1D3C.156E352D@feinsilver.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:29:48 -0400 From: "Adam S. Feinsilver, Esq." Reply-To: adam@feinsilver.com Organization: Adam S. Feinsilver, Attorney at Law X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup USB -> SCSI adaptors and Sample transfer. References: <200008292148.RAA36978@ares.idirect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've had no problem w/the Adaptec 2930 - unlike the 2906, the 2930 is self-bootable adam Steve Cowan wrote: > >Has anyone had _any_ experience with SCSI dumping via a USB to > >SCSI adaptor on any of the new macs ? > > If you have a Mac with PCI slots, I strongly recommend the Adaptec 2906 > card for light-to-medium SCSI duties. It's about the same price or > cheaper than a USB/SCSI adaptor, and offers better performance. I've had > one in my G4 since March and it is flawless. > > The only drawback to the 2906 is that as long as it is in your computer, > it will not fully go into "low power" sleep mode. > > === > Steve Cowan ... reverb@home.com > === > Check out infindebula - Toronto's premiere illbient/improv live p.a. > www.nubreed.com/infindebula > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 30 08:41:43 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-29669>; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:41:34 -0400 Received: from apeiba.wanadoo.fr (smtp-rt-2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.154]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-29669>; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:41:24 -0400 Received: from amyris.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.150) by apeiba.wanadoo.fr; 30 Aug 2000 14:33:42 +0200 Received: from [193.250.100.32] (193.250.100.32) by amyris.wanadoo.fr; 30 Aug 2000 14:33:01 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:41:34 -0400 Subject: sgroup CD Rom drive for My S-550 and W30 Roland From: steph To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000829222125.29093.qmail@web1405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I've got a Roland S-550 and W30 with CD-5. The Cd-5 is really helpfull for loading sounds much more quickly than the hard drive, that's not new ! But i want to have the same as I play on stage : loading the desired sounds as faster as at home, but I'm a little afraid to take the CD-5 with me on stage, because I'm afraid to put it in a rack and break it or I don't know what can append to it. So I asked me if is it possible to put any other CD reader (for exemple any we can find at the supermarket at the corner of the street), or must I be carefull for the model I have to buy for the S550 ? Does the speed have influence on the way the sounds are loaded into the S550 ? I can take an Hard drive too, tat's right, but I've got some questions about it. If I've understood well, the S550 can only read HD not bigger than 80 Mo. I've an 1 Go Hard drive. I can make one 80 Mo partition, but can I make several 80 Mo partitions on this 1Go hard drive and save and load sounds on each easily ? Will the S550 recognize each partition ? Thanks for any answer ! Steph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Aug 30 08:54:50 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-29669>; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:54:43 -0400 Received: from mars.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.8.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-29669>; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:54:33 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (148.198.9.36) by mars.kapsch.co.at (MX V5.1-AX An9h) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:54:10 +0200 Received: by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:54:10 +0200 Message-ID: <0931E18C3147D411A0B900A0C9CC39D65B97E4@hati.kapsch.co.at> From: Ullrich Peter To: 'steph' , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: AW: sgroup CD Rom drive for My S-550 and W30 Roland Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:54:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hallo Steph! >I've got a Roland S-550 and W30 with CD-5. >...So I asked me if is it >possible to put any other CD reader (for exemple any we can find at the >supermarket at the corner of the street), or must I be carefull for the >model I have to buy for the S550 ? You have to be careful. Normal PC cdrom drives don't work as they have the wrong sector size. Some older cdroms from sony can be set to the required sector size per jumper - I have 2 at home - it works fine. CDrom drives from old VAXes or UNIX-workstation can be used sometimes... >Does the speed have influence on the way >the sounds are loaded into the S550 ? No, the limit is the SCSI-interface or the data manipulation in the S550. >I can take an Hard drive too, tat's >right, but I've got some questions about it. If I've understood well, the >S550 can only read HD not bigger than 80 Mo. I've an 1 Go Hard drive. I can >make one 80 Mo partition, but can I make several 80 Mo partitions on this >1Go hard drive and save and load sounds on each easily ? I had no success with it... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: http://come.to/ullrich or the full link http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3586/ Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician .oooO KAPSCH AG / ECCN Vienna / Austria ( ) Oooo. Traffic Control and Transmission Technology ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 31 05:34:22 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-18903>; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:34:15 -0400 Received: from tamaris.wanadoo.fr (smtp-rt-12.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-18903>; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:34:09 -0400 Received: from mahonia.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.58) by tamaris.wanadoo.fr; 31 Aug 2000 11:26:02 +0200 Received: from [193.250.235.160] (193.250.235.160) by mahonia.wanadoo.fr; 31 Aug 2000 11:25:37 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:34:34 -0400 Subject: sgroup 2 interestd Ads From: steph To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <70533B83BB16D111852D00805F59F04D55B416@oakville.oakville.lear.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi everibody, I found today these 2 interesting Ads at http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/_inc/synsearch.cfm Classifieds / Samplers / Post ad Posted: 25/August FS: Roland S-550 w/hundreds of sample disks and CD5 OS This is a great sampler, and with literally hundreds of Sample disks you will have the sounds you need. it has 8-1/4 inch outs -- Midi in out-thru and a mouse. It hooks up to any TV with RCA in for easy editing. Price: $ 300 best offer Location: Texas USA Phone: 972-962-7578 mail: AsylumMoon@aol.com More info: Roland S550 sampler and Classifieds / Drums/Percussion / Post ad Posted: 22/August FS: @@ROLAND S550&SAMPLER+RC100 REMOTE CONTROL UNIT@@@ ROLAND S550 12 BIT DIGITAL RACK MOUNT SAMPLER(STANDARD 19 Price: Location: SAN BERNARDINO Phone: 909-792-8393 mail: monophonic_org@hotmail.com More info: Roland S550 sampler Steph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Aug 31 16:29:56 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-310>; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:29:47 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193677-310>; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:29:44 -0400 Received: from cx161037d ([24.11.92.103]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000831202937.FLBT12685.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx161037d> for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:29:37 -0700 Reply-To: From: "ajporter" To: Subject: sgroup Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:32:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0134F.E35645C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "ajporter" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:29:46 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0134F.E35645C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am looking for some of the Roland sound bank disks that are corrupt on the web site. Specifically 502 #1 (Mallets), 502 #10 (Electric Guitar #1), 504 #6 (Trumpet & Fr. Horn), 505 #5 (Latin percussion), 505 # 8 (Assorted Snares), 502 #8 (FM Filtered), 5502 #10 (Stereo Drum Kit #2), & 5503 #3 (Rock Composer's Tool). I have been round and round with Roland trying to find a source for these disks, as well as searching the internet for many, many days. I do have some of the other disks that are corrupt on the web site and would gladly swap files with you, or anyone you know that might have these disks. I am trying to specifically get the solo French Horn on 504 #6 for a song I am recording for my wife for her birthday next month. Any help you can give on this would be greatly appreciated! thanx, A.J. Porter ajporter@home.com ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0134F.E35645C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,

Hello,

 

I am = looking for some of the Roland sound bank disks that are corrupt on the web = site.  Specifically 502 #1 (Mallets), = 502 #10 (Electric Guitar #1), 504 #6 (Trumpet & Fr. Horn), 505 #5 (Latin percussion), 505 # 8 (Assorted Snares), 502 #8 (FM Filtered), 5502 #10 = (Stereo Drum Kit #2), & 5503 #3 (Rock Composer's Tool).

I have = been round and round with Roland trying to find a source for these disks, as = well as searching the internet for many, many days. I do have some of the other = disks that are corrupt on the web site and would gladly swap files with you, = or anyone you know that might have these disks.  I am trying to specifically get the solo French Horn = on 504 #6 for a song I am recording for my wife for her birthday next = month.

Any = help you can give on this would be greatly appreciated!

 

thanx,

A.J. Porter

ajporter@home.com<= /p>

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