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Can anybody point me in the direction of an S550 utility disk? Preferably in
the Birmingham, UK area.
Thanks in advance.
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| From sgroup-owner@hugin.uunet.ca Mon Jul 10 07:47:17 2000
| From: "MXQ Music Technology" <info@mxq.uk.com>
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| Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:14:45 -0400
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| Can anybody point me in the direction of an S550 utility disk? Preferably in
| the Birmingham, UK area.
| Thanks in advance.

You could download one from
    http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/os/S550/
and use sdisk on a PC to write a disk.


Alternatively, three years ago I made this note:
    Apparently you can get OS files from Roland, via

	http://www.rolandus.com

    which apparently leads you to

	ftp://ftp.phelpsgroup.com/pub/roland/libdata

    where there are PCSAMP and MACSAMP directories containing
    the OS files.
but ftp.phelpsgroup.com refused my connection just now.

John
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Has anyone ever written or come across a program that saves sounds onto a
S7xx series floppy disc, either on Mac or PC ?
Or, does anyone have a good method of converting instruments to the sampler
i.e. using SCSI transfer - that doesn't involve making every patch, partial
etc on the native sampler ? (having only sent the raw samples to it)




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On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Justin Scharvona wrote:

> Has anyone ever written or come across a program that saves sounds onto a
> S7xx series floppy disc, either on Mac or PC ?
> Or, does anyone have a good method of converting instruments to the sampler
> i.e. using SCSI transfer - that doesn't involve making every patch, partial
> etc on the native sampler ? (having only sent the raw samples to it)

at least for s760 there is a program called smac, i think, what supposedly
let's you read and write roland disks with mac. supposedly, 'cause i never
could get it work.. :(

samplifier is a program for mac what let's you transfer samples via scsi
(fast!) and creates partials (with fixed parameters, bit still) for them
automatically. also names the samples automatically. nice little program.


 t-mu


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This is a popular misconception that I wish people would realise , please
read this and absorb...SMAC is only for 12-bit samplers.





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On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Justin Scharvona wrote:

> Has anyone ever written or come across a program that saves sounds onto a
> S7xx series floppy disc, either on Mac or PC ?
> Or, does anyone have a good method of converting instruments to the
sampler
> i.e. using SCSI transfer - that doesn't involve making every patch,
partial
> etc on the native sampler ? (having only sent the raw samples to it)

at least for s760 there is a program called smac, i think, what supposedly
let's you read and write roland disks with mac. supposedly, 'cause i never
could get it work.. :(

samplifier is a program for mac what let's you transfer samples via scsi
(fast!) and creates partials (with fixed parameters, bit still) for them
automatically. also names the samples automatically. nice little program.


 t-mu


:::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::: kiva/ruumen - http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa ::::::::::::::::::::::
:: 'i wanna be a happy person. that's why i have yamaha headphones' ::
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - lee perry - ::::



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My name is Jesse Segovia and this is my first email post to the sgroup list.  I discovered the list today and spent more than a little time going over the archives and the ftp library.

My first question is on the utility samdisk.  I downloaded it and tried to use it on two computers (one on Win95, the other Win98) and when I run it on either I get the error 'Problem ID'ing disk - bioserr: 1.'  Am I doing anything wrong?

Also, I notice in the archives there's a very large samples library maintained out there somewhere but it doesn't appear to be on the ftp site for this email list.  Who maintains the samples library?  How does one go about trading samples (originally it was snail mail only but I imagine it's a bit easier than that with samdisk - once I get it working, anyway)?

Thanks in advance.

Jesse

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When I format disks on my computer for 720kb, they
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Hey Guys!
I just found this list! Thank God for email. I just bought a S550 and I'm 
trying to get some goodies to make the best of it. Does anyone have any idea 
about the SYS-553 sequencing software? I've heard that you need a special 
key for the mouse to save. I called Roland and they said that they don't 
carry the software anymore. Also I was wondering if the SCSI port is still 
available (needless to say Roland doesn't make them anymore) through some 
third party or something? If not, I could build one (since I am an 
electrical engineer) if I could obtain the plans. Anyone got any ideas? 
Thirdly, I need a manual! Roland wants 47 beans for it but that's 
ridiculous. Twelve years later, they should be giving them away! And also a 
manual for the CD-5 OS.
Just for your info, I am planning to use my 550 basically as a drum machine, 
much in the same way as the SP1200 is used (but much more affordably). The 
reason I got it is five-fold: one is price ($325), you just can't get a 
sampler for that price nowadays, two is because I believe that conventional 
drum machines get old and their sounds get dated, three is because I heard 
that the filters are great, four is because of the monitor (I credit many 
headaches to late night programming on two-line displays), and five is 
because of the 8 separate outs! I hope I've made a good decision. I have a 
Roland JV1000 (for typical sample playback synthesis) and an Akai AX80 (for 
analog bleeps and blurps) and my next purchase is probably going to be a 
Roland VS-840 or 880 or some other digital track machine (BTW does anyone 
have any opinions as to which of the many digital recorders I should invest 
in?). Talk about your dream basement studio for a starving student/musician! 
Alrighty guys, I guess I'm about done for this message. I thank you all in 
advance for the help.

Peace,
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I am new to this list with a w30 bought earlier this
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Welcome!  I just joined a week or so ago.  Yours is the first post I've
seen that wasn't mine!  BTW, are you sending your list emails to the
sgroup@lists.uunet.ca address?  It seemed your email was addressed only
to me.

Mark Jones wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys!
> I just found this list! Thank God for email. I just bought a S550 and I'm

Where did you buy it?  I think you got a good deal on the price; I
bought mine new around 1988 for about $2,100.00

> trying to get some goodies to make the best of it. Does anyone have any idea
> about the SYS-553 sequencing software? I've heard that you need a special
> key for the mouse to save.

Yes, I have it along with the 'dongle' (that's the special key) that
allows you to save songs.  I bought it to use live with the group I
played with at that time and NEVER, ever used it.  I loaded it once or
twice but I never even recorded a note.  I just kept using my Atari
computer and software sequencer.

> Also I was wondering if the SCSI port is still
> available (needless to say Roland doesn't make them anymore) through some
> third party or something?

This is a VERY good question.  I'd be interested in knowing the answer
to this.  I've got over 300 sound disks including two full CDs of stuff
and lots of my own sampling (synths, drum machines, etc.) so I'd love to
be able to dump this on a hard drive.  Have you looked into syncing the
S-550 with a PC through a MIDI cable and using the PC to store sounds? 
I'd be interested in this option, too.

I don't know about buying the interface from Roland (did you ask them?)
but in the archive for this email list, there were lots of posts from
engineers thinking of building their own.  I didn't finish reading the
archive so I don't know if anyone ever did but there seemed to be lots
of info on doing it yourself.

BTW, the latest S-550 system software including the CD control stuff is
available on the sgroup archive site, so if someone can find the
hardware we should be OK on the software.

> Just for your info, I am planning to use my 550 basically as a drum machine,

Me, too, and for some nice synth stack sounds I've got.  As soon as I
get mine back from repair, I'm going to buy a Roland 1880 and start
recording original music.  I'm interested in anyone's efforts to make
the S-550 sound good recorded, especially in digital, like using
compressors, exciters, etc.

Jesse

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Welcome to the list!  Yours is the second post I've seen that wasn't
mine.  8-)

I haven't used Roland sequencers very much but they're event-based like
drum machines.  You need to start recording a pattern; I guess you pick
your tempo, number of measures, etc., and start looping as you play your
instruments, patches, whatever.

Do you have the manual?

Where did you buy it and how much did you pay for it?

Jesse

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> I am new to this list with a w30 bought earlier this
> year.  I have yet to understand its sequencer... can
> anyone help me?

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Yeah I did accidentally send it to you. But then I realized my mistake and 
sent it to the whole group. Sorry! The other group I belong to, the JV80 
group, has a feature that lets you reply directly to the whole group instead 
of the person who sent the original message.

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>From: Jesse Segovia <jsegovia@mindspring.com>
>To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca, Mark Jones <mjones4th@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: sgroup New guy with an S550!
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:49:00 -0400
>
>Welcome!  I just joined a week or so ago.  Yours is the first post I've
>seen that wasn't mine!  BTW, are you sending your list emails to the
>sgroup@lists.uunet.ca address?  It seemed your email was addressed only
>to me.
>
>Mark Jones wrote:
> >
> > Hey Guys!
> > I just found this list! Thank God for email. I just bought a S550 and 
>I'm
>
>Where did you buy it?  I think you got a good deal on the price; I
>bought mine new around 1988 for about $2,100.00
>
> > trying to get some goodies to make the best of it. Does anyone have any 
>idea
> > about the SYS-553 sequencing software? I've heard that you need a 
>special
> > key for the mouse to save.
>
>Yes, I have it along with the 'dongle' (that's the special key) that
>allows you to save songs.  I bought it to use live with the group I
>played with at that time and NEVER, ever used it.  I loaded it once or
>twice but I never even recorded a note.  I just kept using my Atari
>computer and software sequencer.
>
> > Also I was wondering if the SCSI port is still
> > available (needless to say Roland doesn't make them anymore) through 
>some
> > third party or something?
>
>This is a VERY good question.  I'd be interested in knowing the answer
>to this.  I've got over 300 sound disks including two full CDs of stuff
>and lots of my own sampling (synths, drum machines, etc.) so I'd love to
>be able to dump this on a hard drive.  Have you looked into syncing the
>S-550 with a PC through a MIDI cable and using the PC to store sounds?
>I'd be interested in this option, too.
>
>I don't know about buying the interface from Roland (did you ask them?)
>but in the archive for this email list, there were lots of posts from
>engineers thinking of building their own.  I didn't finish reading the
>archive so I don't know if anyone ever did but there seemed to be lots
>of info on doing it yourself.
>
>BTW, the latest S-550 system software including the CD control stuff is
>available on the sgroup archive site, so if someone can find the
>hardware we should be OK on the software.
>
> > Just for your info, I am planning to use my 550 basically as a drum 
>machine,
>
>Me, too, and for some nice synth stack sounds I've got.  As soon as I
>get mine back from repair, I'm going to buy a Roland 1880 and start
>recording original music.  I'm interested in anyone's efforts to make
>the S-550 sound good recorded, especially in digital, like using
>compressors, exciters, etc.
>
>Jesse
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>Welcome!  I just joined a week or so ago.  Yours is the first post I've
>seen that wasn't mine!  BTW, are you sending your list emails to the
>sgroup@lists.uunet.ca address?  It seemed your email was addressed only
>to me.
>
>Mark Jones wrote:
> >
> > Hey Guys!
> > I just found this list! Thank God for email. I just bought a S550 and 
>I'm
>
>Where did you buy it?  I think you got a good deal on the price; I
>bought mine new around 1988 for about $2,100.00

I bought it from harmony-central.com classifieds. It was a really good deal. 
And it also included the nouse and monitor. But my mouse is kinda used and 
doesn't work so well. I was wondering if there was a way to clean it or do I 
have to get a new one? I heard they were proprietary and cost around $60.
It seems to me that every piece of new musical equipment rapidly depreciates 
to around $300. So we should all wait ten years before we buy that new 
do-it-all widget we want soooo bad, don't ya think? For instance the Yamaha 
EX-5. I now see them going for around $850 up! And they originally started 
around $2500, right? And this was only two years ago. (okay, given its buggy 
as hell but........ still?) And I wanted one sooooo bad when they were 
dropped.

>
> > trying to get some goodies to make the best of it. Does anyone have any 
>idea
> > about the SYS-553 sequencing software? I've heard that you need a 
>special
> > key for the mouse to save.
>
>Yes, I have it along with the 'dongle' (that's the special key) that
>allows you to save songs.  I bought it to use live with the group I
>played with at that time and NEVER, ever used it.  I loaded it once or
>twice but I never even recorded a note.  I just kept using my Atari
>computer and software sequencer.

You wanna sell the software and key then? I also need a copy of the manual 
(the original and CD-5 addendum).

> > Also I was wondering if the SCSI port is still
> > available (needless to say Roland doesn't make them anymore) through 
>some
> > third party or something?
>
>This is a VERY good question.  I'd be interested in knowing the answer
>to this.  I've got over 300 sound disks including two full CDs of stuff
>and lots of my own sampling (synths, drum machines, etc.) so I'd love to
>be able to dump this on a hard drive.  Have you looked into syncing the
>S-550 with a PC through a MIDI cable and using the PC to store sounds?
>I'd be interested in this option, too.
>
>I don't know about buying the interface from Roland (did you ask them?)
>but in the archive for this email list, there were lots of posts from
>engineers thinking of building their own.  I didn't finish reading the
>archive so I don't know if anyone ever did but there seemed to be lots
>of info on doing it yourself.
>
>BTW, the latest S-550 system software including the CD control stuff is
>available on the sgroup archive site, so if someone can find the
>hardware we should be OK on the software.

I don't have a computer yet, but I am planning to get one soon (and I call 
myself an engineer!). When I do I will look into the computer storage 
option. But for now I am limited to hardware. I am really not a big fan of 
computer based studios anyway , but then again I'm just starting to get into 
MIDI (most of my playing experience is in live bands, where MIDI is not 
needed). My main gripe is that I like buttons and knobs and sliders (again 
for live situations). I do, however, have a copy of the CD-5 OS and I will 
check the archives for info about the interface. BTW do you wanna sell me 
copies of some of your disks? I could pay around $2.50 per, and I'm 
basically interested in drum sounds.

>I'm interested in anyone's efforts to make
>the S-550 sound good recorded, especially in digital, like using
>compressors, exciters, etc.

Yeah me too! I also invested in a dbx 1066, and I'm also planning to get 
some effects and maybe a BBE sonic maximizer.

Mark
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Hi Cenek,
I'm very interested! But alas, payday just came and already my check is 
eaten up :( So it will have to wait two weeks but I am definitely 
interested! Can you hold it for me? Thanks.

Mark

PS the one at work! Doesn't that stink?


>From: Morous <goblin@inx.net>
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>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:04:53 -0400
>
>Hi Mark,
>I have the SYS-553 available for $75,- plus shipping/COD charges. It is a
>original package from Roland with 3 Floppy Disks, hardware key and manual
>for the SYS-553 software. I don't own S-550 anymore so I have no use for
>it.  I would also give you some other stuff (like sound disks), and info
>and some hard to find tips related to S-550.
>
>Please, let me know if You interested.
>
>Cenek Brozovsky
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>
>PS: what computer are you using, if any?
>
>
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 >
 >This is a VERY good question.  I'd be interested in knowing the answer =
to
 >this.  I've got over 300 sound disks including two full CDs of stuff an=
d
 >lots of my own sampling (synths, drum machines, etc.) so I'd love to be=

 >able to dump this on a hard drive.  Have you looked into syncing the
S-550
 >with a PC through a MIDI cable and using the PC to store sounds? I'd be=

 >interested in this option, too.

There is a San Diego company that advertises in the back of mags that I
think may still offer scsi kits. I'm afraid I cannot remember the name
though! When I find it, I'll post it. "Sound" something..

 >Me, too, and for some nice synth stack sounds I've got.  As soon as I g=
et
 >mine back from repair, I'm going to buy a Roland 1880 and start recordi=
ng
 >original music. I'm interested in anyone's efforts to make the S-550
sound
 >good recorded, especially in digital, like using compressors, exciters,=

etc.

The s550 is good as a drum sound module. I did that for years. The only
catch is that the sample rate is only 30k, so not as much lustre as you
might want, but multi outs are great.

   |_e_/~  Dennis Barton <db@skylab2000.com>
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> > about the SYS-553 sequencing software? I've heard that you need a special

> played with at that time and NEVER, ever used it.  I loaded it once or

ive used it alot with the 330. it sucks.. the timimg isnt that great, and
it cuts one or 2 notes of polophony if the sequence is dense.

> the S-550 sound good recorded, especially in digital, like using

ive used my 330 for lots of stuff, including realistic sampled drums on a
big clean digital recording. since its 12 bit i compress and limit the
samples a bit before i put them in the sampler. and after that very little
processing is necesary, but im aware of the unit's limitations, and
sometimes i kindof like it. just dont expect it to reproduce cymbals very 
clearly. the limit of sampling freqency, 30khz is an issue with cymbals,
tamborines, shakers.. but of course it also makes these same instruments
sound wonderful for hip hop.

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dennis barton <skylab2000@compuserve.com> wrote:
> The s550 is good as a drum sound module. I did that for years. The only
> catch is that the sample rate is only 30k, so not as much lustre as you
> might want, but multi outs are great.

Would a good compressor and perhaps the onboard exciter FX program from the VS-1880 make much difference?

Jesse

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> > catch is that the sample rate is only 30k, so not as much lustre as you
> > might want, but multi outs are great.
> 
> Would a good compressor and perhaps the onboard exciter FX program from
> the VS-1880 make much difference?

a compressor will not make it sound brighter or clearer , usually the
opposite if it is a less than superb compressor. an exciter will generate
some high frequencies in the realm that was lost, but it will not be the
same.. bight, but not clear. things like that are best used in great
moderation. 

some people might call the 330/550 sound flat, dull or a bit muddy. i
prefer adjectives like smooth, fat, thick. theres nothing wrong with
it.. the sampler has a great sonic character (something all but lost in
the world of digital equiptment)

just dont use the sampler for every track! ive found that playing the
tamborine live with a good condenser mic can add enough high end to make
sampled drums sound superb.

m


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Mike P wrote:

>cymbals, tamborines, shakers.. but of course it also makes these same 
> >instruments sound wonderful for hip hop.

That's exactly what finalized my decision to buy one.

>ive used it alot with the 330. it sucks.. the timimg isnt that great, >and 
>it cuts one or 2 notes of polophony if the sequence is dense.


So the sequencer isn't that good, huh? I doubt I will be using that many 
polyphony. (let's see, kick, snare, hi hat, cymbals, extra percussion, and 
maybe the occasional quircky sound that a synth can't create) In all 
likelihood the most polyphony I would use at any one instant is six notes. I 
was planning to use my JV1000 on board seq. to run the S-550 (but it's 
linear, not pattern based) until I heard of the SYS-553. Should I stick to 
plan A?
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There's lots of activity on the list today so I'll resend some questions.

1.  There used to be a very large sample library maintained by one of the sgroup list members; it had lots of drum machines, synths, etc.  Does anyone have or know how to find disks from the sample library?

2.  On the sgroup archive page is a PC utility called samdisk.exe.  It allows you to read and write Roland sampler diskettes from your PC floppy disk drive.  Excellent!  Unfortunately, it fails on all three PCs I've tried it on, with the error 'problem ID'ing disk - bioserr: 1.'  Does anyone have any luck using this utility?  Am I doing something wrong?

3.  Is anyone interested in creating a new sgroup list sample library?

Thanks.

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For those who like a very 'alive' drum sound, what are there any great sounding but inexpensive drum modules out there?  I don't need an onboard sequencer, just some nice drum kits and a good sampling of percussion.

I've heard some folks say even the Roland R8 is too low-resolution for digital recording, although supposedly the R8MKII is supposed to be fine.

mike p <hotrod@grove.ufl.edu> wrote:
> just dont use the sampler for every track! ive found that playing the
> tamborine live with a good condenser mic can add enough high end to make
> sampled drums sound superb.

Very good idea!  Maybe a live hi-hat and cymbals as well (if you've got those and some nice stereo mikes)?

Jesse

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Can I get some of those disks?

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> was planning to use my JV1000 on board seq. to run the S-550 (but it's 
> linear, not pattern based) until I heard of the SYS-553. Should I stick to 
> plan A?

no, i guess its not terrible. it is a fun little loop based
sequencer. probably ok for yr purposes. the nicest thing about it is you
dont need to bring a sequencer to gigs. but another annoying aspect is
that when running the sequencer you cannout sample. you must reboot to the
regular OS. this KILLS creativity.

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> Very good idea!  Maybe a live hi-hat and cymbals as well (if you've got
> those and some nice stereo mikes)?

now youve got the right idea! actually i have a beuatiful 60's slingerland
kit that besides being the best sample source ive ever had is a joy to
play the old fashioned way.

mike -lurk for 1 year, 3 emails contributions in one day..


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Also, when you're running the sequencing software on the S-550, you can only load one diskette's worth of samples, right?

Jesse

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Mike said:

>mike -lurk for 1 year, 3 emails contributions in one day..

That's the way it usually works. I plan on lively-ing up this group. The 
JV80 group I'm involved in is very active and all sorts of precious gems get 
passed daily. We trade patches, offer advice, and it seems as though a new 
member joins every week! BTW the JV80 group is hosted by egroups. THey have 
some nice features. I would suggest that whoever maintains this group look 
into egroups. Have a nice day!
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>that when running the sequencer you cannout sample. you must reboot to the
>regular OS. this KILLS creativity.
>

This is fine by me, since I will mostly be using pre-created (as opposed to 
procreated?) drum samples. As for the lo-finess (is this a word?) of the 30K 
samplers, this was exactly what I was looking for, since I'm a hip-hopper. I 
was raised on lo fi drums! Suits me fine, just as long as I can have some 
relatively quality key sounds. Last thing and then I'm out: Does anyone have 
an opinion about the various sample collections available on the net(e.g. 
midimark, patchmanmusic, greytsounds)? Have you guys ever dealt with them? 
Which has the best library? (in terms of sound quality not quantity) Their 
prices are kinda steep and I just wanna know before I plop down $100 for 
twenty disks that I will never use. Also how could I download patches into 
my 550 w/o an interface, if I decided on electronic delivery of the 
afore-mentioned banks?
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Would someone kindly point me toward a site from which I might download 
the S-50 software sequencer (sys550?).  I recently purchased an S-50, and 
wish to sequence drum samples and other fun noises.  Come to think of it, 
does anyone have an FAQ on OS 2.0 (feature differences between 1.0, new 
comman lines, etc.)?

	Thanks,
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Hi! I am fairly new to the list  as well...I have a S-50. I have bought
samples from greytsounds www.greytsounds.com and I am pleased with the
quality. I haven't gotten back to buy some more( I bought Alesis
HR-16,Rhodes/Wurlitzer, and Car EFX), but I intend to .I have the same
problemstrying to download sounds form the FTP site and using
S-Disc...anyone have any wxperience using it and could enlighten the rest of
us??
BTW , it's good to see this much activity .......
out of lurk mode...
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I have a copy of Director S for my S-50...I wnat to make it available to
anyone who wants it, bu tI am not sure how...I could make  copies and snail
mail.  If you are interested , email me off-list , and we'll try to set up
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> Would someone kindly point me toward a site from which I might download
> the S-50 software sequencer (sys550?).  I recently purchased an S-50, and
> wish to sequence drum samples and other fun noises.  Come to think of it,
> does anyone have an FAQ on OS 2.0 (feature differences between 1.0, new
> comman lines, etc.)?
>
> Thanks,
> Alec
>
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>I have a copy of Director S for my S-50...I wnat to make it available to
>anyone who wants it, bu tI am not sure how...I could make  copies and snail
>mail.  If you are interested , email me off-list , and we'll try to set up
>something.

You can't use it without the hardware dongle. The software by itself 
would be useless.


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that's true......I got my dongle from Roland( 35.00) , but that was at least
5 years ago. I odn't know if they still carry it.
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> >I have a copy of Director S for my S-50...I wnat to make it available to
> >anyone who wants it, bu tI am not sure how...I could make  copies and
snail
> >mail.  If you are interested , email me off-list , and we'll try to set
up
> >something.
>
> You can't use it without the hardware dongle. The software by itself
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Does anyone know if I can use my Alesis SR16 drum
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I wish to trigger the samples inside the W30 by using
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Well, I have the software and dongle...somewhere I think.  Buried away.  I
never ever use it the built in sequencer.  Its pretty  much a pile of crap.
Why would you want to waste your time with it?  There are a hundred other
solutions that would be better and just as affordable.

??

-steve

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Director S [with dongle] is a pile a crap, or is it the built in sequencer
that's worthless? I can't seem to find a built in sequencer . . .

    -Alec

Steve Schow wrote:

> Well, I have the software and dongle...somewhere I think.  Buried away.  I
> never ever use it the built in sequencer.  Its pretty  much a pile of crap.
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I sent out an email with 3 questions that didn't get a response so people may have missed the last question:  is anyone interested in creating a group sample library?  If we can find an easy way to swap samples online I'd be interested in making my samples available.

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Hallo!

>I sent out an email with 3 questions that didn't get a response so people may have missed the last question:  is anyone interested in 
>creating a group sample library?  If we can find an easy way to swap samples online I'd be interested in making my samples available.

I read your email but had no time to answer.
I am interested in building up a sample library if it is more than the J. Sellens Library.
A possible place could be the egroups www.egroups.com

Your problem with SAMDISK: Samdisk is for the Atari ST as far as I know. 
For the PC you need to download sdisk (actual version is 1.1)!

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You may have misunderstood me.  I didn't mean making a new email list, I meant the members of sgroup contributing their samples to a new library we could host somewhere on the net.  Is that what you thought I meant?

Reading about samdisk it seems to state it's for the PC, but I'll look for sdisk.

If I can get sdisk or any other program working, and I find a way to get my hard-copy list of samples into electronic format, I'll post a list of what I have to sgroup.

Also, we should discuss legality.  Besides my own samples I have two CDs worth of stuff, one from Roland and one from another company (don't remember the name off-hand, I'll find out tonight).  I know Roland makes some of their samples available online (they're also on ths sgroup site) so does that mean the Roland CD samples are OK to swap?

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All Roland Samples were originally made available completely for free for
the S-50, S-550 and W-30.  I think its totally ok to swap.  Well, actually,
Roland made a CD-ROM called "Club 40" that was not free.  But everything
that was available on Floppies from Roland was basically free.  All that
being said, since they do not sell any of those samples any longer.....I
seriously doubt if anyone would really care if you were trading samples.
May or may not be legal....but its just one of those things that aren't even
worth griping about.  There are so few people actually using the old
S-50,550.  Who's gonna notice or care, especially when they don't even sell
those sample disks anymore?

There are only a couple third party CD's that came out for the S-50,550
samplers.  I have at least one of them.  One of them is a cool one called
"Universe of Sounds".  It was made by a company that is still in business,
but no longer sells that disk.  The other one that I heard was floating
around is one from a company called "Outrigger Productions" that is no
longer in business.  I have always wanted to get my hands on that
disc.....But unfortunately I don't think I have that one.  I have to
check...all my S-550 stuff is in another state at a friend's house
momentarily.

sdisk is pretty much the only way to swap samples online.  That is PC based.
There is a similar tool for the Mac as well.  sdisk will export not only the
raw samples, but also all the parameter info....  The only problem is that
its sort of a pain to use....For example, to share samples from a CD
collection, you'd have to first load the samples into the S-550 memory from
the CD-ROM, then save to a floppy as an S-50 program disk, then take the
floppy to your PC and run sdisk to create an archive file that can be
shipped over the internet.  If memory serves anyway....its been a long time
since I messed around with any of this stuff.

I sure wish I could convince the guys at http://www.chickensys.com/ to
support the S-50/550.  SEND THEM LETTERS!

cheers

-steve

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> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 10:25 AM
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> Sample Library?
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>
> You may have misunderstood me.  I didn't mean making a new
> email list, I meant the members of sgroup contributing their
> samples to a new library we could host somewhere on the net.
> Is that what you thought I meant?
>
> Reading about samdisk it seems to state it's for the PC, but
> I'll look for sdisk.
>
> If I can get sdisk or any other program working, and I find a
> way to get my hard-copy list of samples into electronic
> format, I'll post a list of what I have to sgroup.
>
> Also, we should discuss legality.  Besides my own samples I
> have two CDs worth of stuff, one from Roland and one from
> another company (don't remember the name off-hand, I'll find
> out tonight).  I know Roland makes some of their samples
> available online (they're also on ths sgroup site) so does
> that mean the Roland CD samples are OK to swap?
>
> Jesse
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Steve wrote:
> Roland made a CD-ROM called "Club 40" that was not free.

Yep, that's the Roland CD I have (actually the individual diskettes).  I'd rather be safe than sorry.  Does anyone know Roland's stance on swapping samples from this CD, especially since they don't sell it anymore?

> One of them is a cool one called
> "Universe of Sounds".  It was made by a company that is still in business,
> but no longer sells that disk.

That's the other CD I have.  Is it OK to swap these samples?  I also have the Crystal something samples, a set of about twelve or sixteen diskettes of synth stacks that are very nice.  Illegal to swap?

BTW, I've got lots of other samples I've done myself, of synths, drum machines, etc.

> I sure wish I could convince the guys at http://www.chickensys.com/ to
> support the S-50/550.  SEND THEM LETTERS!

Will do.  Are there any other 3rd party sound sources you can recommend?

Jesse

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I found SDISK and I'm tring to use it from my work PC.  Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be able to write Roland sample outfiles directly onto 1.44 Mb floppies (I get 'diskette is too large/small for file'), and for some reason I can't format my 1.44Mb floppies to 720K (I used to do it all the time ten years ago but now I'm getting an 'invalid media' error).

How do I write Roland sample info onto 1.44Mb floppy disks with SDISK?

Jesse

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> I found SDISK and I'm tring to use it from my work PC.  Unfortunately,
> it doesn't seem to be able to write Roland sample outfiles directly
> onto 1.44 Mb floppies (I get 'diskette is too large/small for file'),
> and for some reason I can't format my 1.44Mb floppies to 720K (I used
> to do it all the time ten years ago but now I'm getting an 'invalid
> media' error).
> 
> How do I write Roland sample info onto 1.44Mb floppy disks with SDISK?
> 

I believe if you cover the other hole in the disk you can format as 720k.

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> I believe if you cover the other hole in the disk you can format as 720k.

yes, this is how i did it. i only made it work a few times, and tht was
long ago.. but i remember that you must format the disk as 720k on a
PC! not formatted in the sampler. cover the hole first

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In the past, I have offered my services twards making
s-series CD's for users from sgroup....

No One has stepped up and said "Hey Man, I'll
contribute"  Even if they did, I would not get
anything from them.  I can still offer it though.   If
anyone wants to contribute....

E-Me and I will sell them to members of Sgroup for
about $10 bucks.  That includes the CD, label, jewel
case and shipping and handling.  I think that's worth
it.

But I can't do it alone.  I would need some samples
from sgroupers to compile this list.  If we need more
that 1 CD, so be it.

I think that it would be good (as an sgrouper) to
participate so we can let all of the other sgroupers
know that even though we got an outdated machine, we
can still get it on and run with the best of them.

If you want to participate:

You would need WORKING DISKETTES with the sdisk format
and the title and patches of the disk. 
you can even E-mail them to me....  but you have to
make sure that they are working diskettes....

I would like to have a full working set of
s50/330/550/w30 & dj70 diskettes if possible...
 Kudos will also be provided.

Believe me, You deserve credit if you participate.

I have the entire R8 series ready to go.......

I will do s50/330/550/w30, s700/760, and the dj70
(This can convert to s-50.....)
I would also like to get users to add their own
samples into the mix.  

If anyone wants to step up to the plate and say OK
let's do it, E-Me back

Javier Barrios
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I'm definitely interested and I do have some good samples (although someone on the list with looping, filtering software to clean up and loop some of the samples would be VERY nice).  But I don't have a CD interface for my S-550.  I'd rather see all the samples posted on some web site, maybe a secure site if some of us are concerned.

Maybe we can do this AND you can provide the CD to any users who want it.

Jesse

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I'm interested! Count me in!
clay
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> I sent out an email with 3 questions that didn't get a response so people
may have missed the last question:  is anyone interested in creating a group
sample library?  If we can find an easy way to swap samples online I'd be
interested in making my samples available.
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> I'm interested! Count me in!

id be too.. if i had time. gradschool is beatin' my ass latly. but i have
drum n bass stuff.. drum samples, loops.

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I would send in some of my personal samples for the S7XX, I agree that we
need to promote the platform and keep it alive.  I have hundreds and
hundreds of MB of samples from years of sampling.

 Maybe Javier Barrios could compile a list of a rough guess as to how much
of what type of material and format would be contributed.  I would like to
see the level of committment from all contributors.

Its a kind offer from Javier, compiling samples to CDs takes a lot of time.
What sampler model do you have Javier?



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Yep!

Count me in on starting a new sample library. Don't know how much I'll be 
able to contribute, very little "free" time these days. 

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>You may have misunderstood me.  I didn't mean making a new email list, I meant the members of sgroup contributing their samples to >a new library we could host somewhere on the net.  Is that what you thought I meant?

Egroups does not only have email groups! You also get 20MB of harddisk space for files!

I made a PC-CDROM with the Roland Library on it and a lot of other disk images.
Maybe these disks are from companies that still exist. So swapping may be illegal.

I also put some info files, programs,... on this cdrom.

Ciao
Peter

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Hallo!

One of my friends wants to build a revival of the S550-SCSI-interface.
The layout is ready for the first try but he still needs some of the MB89352P chips
to check out his design.

So if you have any chips or know about a source please let me know!
I will forward the information...

Sources in Europe are preferred... but other sources are possible too!

Ciao
Peter

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I finally got SDISK to work so I'm all set (had to first restart my
Win98 PC in MS-DOS mode from the Start, Shut Down menu).   Plus, my
sampler is fixed and I get it back from repair TOMORROW!!!!  I'm still
looking into making an electronic copy of my samples to post to the
list.

It looks like we're talking about making an online library of sampler
diskettes image files that folks can then download and remake into
diskettes.  I guess we'll use the S-550 format since that's most common,
right?  I assume it's possible for the S-50 and W-30 owners to convert
for their units?

S-770 owners should of course participate.  I guess those samples will
be saved in S-770 format.  BTW, does anyone know of a S-770 to S-550
converter, beyond the wav. file converters that are out there?

For everyone interested in participating, here are some
questions/thoughts.  PLEASE contribute your ideas on each.

1.  Copyrights - Yes, this is an old machine and these are old sounds,
but I'd rather be EXTRA careful and avoid ANY legal problems that may
arise when posting commercial sounds (Roland's Club 50, Universe of
Sounds, Crystal, etc.).  Personally, I want to be 100% sure before I
post anything.  Does anyone know about these and other older
commercially available sounds?

2.  Sample editing - Does anyone on the list have access to PC or Mac
based software which allows you to clean up the samples and set better
loops?  Some of my home-made synth and synth stack samples have poor and
sometimes no loops, just because it's so difficult to loop with the
S-550.  It would be great if someone would volunteer to help with this. 
I'd do it but I don't have a PC to MIDI interface or the software.

3.  Location - It makes sense to me to put this in the sgroup archive
where some samples and utilities are now located.
Is this OK?  Is there enough available disk space there?  Or does anyone
think we need a secure site?

Jesse

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Ullrich Peter wrote: 
> Your problem with SAMDISK: Samdisk is for the Atari ST as far as I know.
> For the PC you need to download sdisk (actual version is 1.1)!

There are DOS and Atari versions of SAMDISK. Source code is also
included. If anyone's interested: I made a slightly improved version of
SAMDISK that supports HD floppies (for S7** samplers) too (without the
disk catalog functions) and compiled it for Atari.

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Can anyone recommend a good PC utility to manage wav. sample files? 
I've got a few very long files (several Mb) which each contain lots of
different samples and need to be split up into different wav. files
before I read them into my sampler (more about that later).

BTW, over the last couple of days, during my spare time, I downloaded a
few S-550 sample disk images but quickly running out of those ('anyone
know any good online sources besides our list archive?) I started
downloading wav. files, which I guess most modern samplers can read in
directly.  Some of these are excellent sounding, sampled at 16 bit,
44Khz.  Here are a couple of good URLs:

http://tilt.largo.fl.us/samples/free.html
bigsamples.free.fr/

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There's a utility on the sgroup archive, WAV2S550 (URL below), which
allows you to convert wav. files to S-550 diskettes.  This has failed
twice for me on two different PCs.  I've now got lots of great wav.
files I'd like to read in to my sampler so I'm wondering if anyone
either:

a) has had luck using the wav2s550 solution, or

b) knows a better way of getting wav. files into their S-550, short of a
MIDI link between their PC and their sampler.

Here's the link; click on WAV2S550.README for info or WAV2S550.ZIP for
the files:

http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/utilities/pc/

Jesse

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Can anyone recommend a good PC utility to manage wav. sample files?
I've got a few very long files (several Mb) which each contain lots of
different samples and need to be split up into different wav. files
before I read them into my sampler (more about that later).


For Macintosh there is this excellent program called 'Recycle', just 
check if there is a PC version.
This application cuts (and could save them as files to disk) all the 
samples automaticly just the way you want.

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Recycle is also available for the PC.  However, this program is very
expensive in my opinion, if that is an issue.  Alternatively, the shareware
program WaveSurgeon (basic and advanced) will do basically the same thing on
the PC.  Check http://www.squarecircle.co.uk/ for more info.

Brian


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Can anyone recommend a good PC utility to manage wav. sample files?
I've got a few very long files (several Mb) which each contain lots of
different samples and need to be split up into different wav. files
before I read them into my sampler (more about that later).


For Macintosh there is this excellent program called 'Recycle', just 
check if there is a PC version.
This application cuts (and could save them as files to disk) all the 
samples automaticly just the way you want.

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When I format any sized diskette as a 720kb on either
my desktop or laptop, they computer only recogizes
them as 713kb sized disks, leaving me unable to put my
w30 sound files from the internet on them.  Can anyone
help?  Should I be formatting them inside the w30 as
opposed to the computer?

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At 11:34 PM 7/27/00 -0400, Theme MoTif. wrote:
>When I format any sized diskette as a 720kb on either
>my desktop or laptop, they computer only recogizes
>them as 713kb sized disks, leaving me unable to put my
>w30 sound files from the internet on them.  Can anyone
>help?  Should I be formatting them inside the w30 as
>opposed to the computer?

	Yes. You'll also probably need a utility like SDISK 
to transfer the sound files onto the disk.


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Recycle is also available for the PC.  However, this program is very
expensive in my opinion, if that is an issue.  Alternatively, the shareware
program WaveSurgeon (basic and advanced) will do basically the same thing on
the PC.  Check http://www.squarecircle.co.uk/ for more info.

Brian

Try HotlineClient instead before you buy...(not)

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I got my w30 to trigger my sr26 drum machine through
midi, but I cannot get it to work the other way
around... can anyone help?


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I am unable to find my manual for the Roland R8 drum machine (Human Rhythm
Composer). Does the R8 respond to MIDI Volume controller data (i.e. #7) ? I
am asking cause I am sending MIDI Volume to it in a sequence and it has no
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I am unable to find my manual for the Roland R8 drum machine (Human Rhythm
Composer). Does the R8 respond to MIDI Volume controller data (i.e. #7) ? I
am asking cause I am sending MIDI Volume to it in a sequence and it has no
effect.

Thanks in advance,

David
david@roth-music.com

Yes it does. Check your MIDI and PATCH settings for MIDI VOLUME 'ON'. 
Otherwise I don't know.

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