From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 11:38:19 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:32:45 -0500 Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (ds-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.206.139]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:32:30 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id LAA06601; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:32:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:31:50 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup new roland sample PB To: SYNTH-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200002041132_MC2-97CA-83F9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk roland introduced a new sampler playback device for all 700 series sample= s that is also a sound module with jd990 and more sounds in it. looks very nice, and will probably kill the market for 700 series stuff..= 128 voice polyphony, onboard effects, 64mb of sounds, plus up to 128 meg = of sample ram. looks wicked. its called the vx5080. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 12:03:23 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:00:07 -0500 Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net ([216.106.1.32]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:00:01 -0500 Received: from socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA22922 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:02:51 -0600 Received: from jwade01 ([216.106.37.51]) by socket.net ; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:34:46 -0600 Message-ID: <003001bf6f31$4cc19960$33256ad8@jwade01> Reply-To: "Ben Wade" From: "Ben Wade" To: Subject: sgroup Roland s-10 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:00:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF6EFF.0112FA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF6EFF.0112FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I just inherited a s-10 and I am looking to get the small disk with the = os on it. Can anyone help?? Thanks in advance Ben Wade ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF6EFF.0112FA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
I just inherited a s-10 and I am = looking to get the=20 small disk with the os on it.
Can anyone help??
Thanks in advance
Ben Wade
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From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 12:22:13 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:19:03 -0500 Received: from smtp-2.mdc.net ([209.251.64.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:18:53 -0500 Received: from ntdesk.vl.com (tmetro.mdc.net [208.196.211.251]) by smtp-2.mdc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA57560; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:28:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tmetro@vl.com) Message-Id: <200002041728.MAA57560@smtp-2.mdc.net> X-Mailer: *Cinetic Mail Manager V2.1 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:18:55 -0500 From: tmetro@vl.com (Tom Metro) To: xsurfer@socket.net Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca (Roland Sampler users mailing list) Subject: Re: sgroup Roland s-10 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ben Wade writes: > I just inherited a s-10 and I am looking to get the small disk with > the os on it. It's been a while since I've used my S-10, but if I remember correctly, there is no OS on the disks - just data. The OS is in ROM. -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic tmetro@vl.com Newton, MA, USA - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 13:16:56 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:13:26 -0500 Received: from fep06.tmt.tele.fi (hank-fep6-0.inet.fi [194.251.242.201]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:13:23 -0500 Received: from eskora1 ([212.213.248.96]) by fep06.tmt.tele.fi (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000204181316.ILVY12513.fep06.tmt.tele.fi@eskora1> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:13:16 +0200 Message-ID: <002001bf6f3b$52086a20$60f8d5d4@eskora1> From: "Illusion Rake" To: "sgroup" References: <200002041132_MC2-97CA-83F9@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: sgroup new roland sample PB Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:11:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hmm...I guess it=B4s NOT April 1st, isn=B4t it...??? :))) Are there any photos & additional information anywhere?? Does it still have the RGB / mouse UI????? And did I understood right that it doesn=B4t boast A/D converters???? = :(( Hopefully a digital i/o??? can=B4t believe it=B4s true.... rake ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "dennis barton" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: sgroup new roland sample PB roland introduced a new sampler playback device for all 700 series = samples that is also a sound module with jd990 and more sounds in it. looks very nice, and will probably kill the market for 700 series = stuff.. 128 voice polyphony, onboard effects, 64mb of sounds, plus up to 128 meg = of sample ram. looks wicked. its called the vx5080. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 15:15:05 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:11:54 -0500 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:11:39 -0500 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm [196.3.0.2]) by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA03937; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:07:41 -0500 (GMT+5:00) Received: by minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id PAA13983; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:07:36 -0500 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200002041132_MC2-97CA-83F9@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:08:01 -0500 To: dennis barton , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup new roland sample PB Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 11:31 AM -0500 4/2/00, dennis barton wrote: >roland introduced a new sampler playback device for all 700 series samples >that is also a sound module with jd990 and more sounds in it. > >looks very nice, and will probably kill the market for 700 series stuff.. > >128 voice polyphony, onboard effects, 64mb of sounds, plus up to 128 meg of >sample ram. looks wicked. > >its called the vx5080. > other way around.. XV5080...... but it can't sample and it has to convert load 700 series stuff... I am curious to know if it will read only patches or will it also read volumes? and what kind of convert load time are we talking about... I was a bit disappointed but...c'est la vie.. rs richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 15:25:10 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:22:05 -0500 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:21:55 -0500 Received: from willow.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@willow-f [10.5.102.13]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h1) with ESMTP id PAA07741 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by willow.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id PAA09788 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:21:47 -0500 (EST) Comments: PAA09788 on willow (hop 0), Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:21:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:21:47 -0500 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@willow To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup new roland sample PB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >128 voice polyphony, onboard effects, 64mb of sounds, plus up to 128 meg of > >sample ram. looks wicked. > I was a bit disappointed but...c'est la vie.. darn. i was hoping that some of you multi s-7xx owners would prefer one 700 sampler and a few playback units. then i could suck up a second hand 700 series. (for a little less dough) m - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 16:50:43 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:47:33 -0500 Received: from fep07.tmt.tele.fi (hank-fep7-0.inet.fi [194.251.242.202]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:47:27 -0500 Received: from eskora1 ([212.213.246.148]) by fep07.tmt.tele.fi (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000204214718.DEVX25352.fep07.tmt.tele.fi@eskora1> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:47:18 +0200 Message-ID: <003301bf6f59$377d6340$94f6d5d4@eskora1> From: "Illusion Rake" To: "sgroup" Subject: sgroup XV-5080 - i should have guessed it Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:45:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk OK, so now I=B4ve seen the beast on the net... Somehow I was still hoping that Roland would produce a honourable = successor for the belowed S-series, but... ...IT=B4S A ****ing EXPANDED JV-2080 with the ability to CONVERT LOAD a = sample library that is dead already! I really can=B4t say anything else that Roland has kinda abandoned pro = musicians and producers and keeps on licking ass of all sorts of wanna-be-deejays. (I don=B4t know anybody who=B4s = using a SP-808 for serious music production.) That is short-sighted and it will cost Roland the reputation they have = built for + 25 years. rake - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 16:56:47 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:53:52 -0500 Received: from zoesis.com ([140.239.211.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:53:42 -0500 Received: from triton (triton.zoesis.com [140.239.211.111]) by zoesis.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA52355 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:53:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000204165322.00b8ac10@zoesis.com> X-Sender: mike@zoesis.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:53:22 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Mike Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 - i should have guessed it In-Reply-To: <003301bf6f59$377d6340$94f6d5d4@eskora1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Somehow I was still hoping that Roland would produce a honourable successor for the belowed S-series, but... >...IT=B4S A ****ing EXPANDED JV-2080 with the ability to CONVERT LOAD a sample library that is dead already! Hey, some of us use that sample library. But anyway, in my mind the real test of its use is: 1) Can it use the S-7xx mouse and monitor interface? This is after all why I haven't abandoned my dear S-760's yet. 2) After convert-loading, does it sound as good as playback through an s-7xx sampler? Anyone have any info on this? Mike Shapiro Mike Shapiro Music http://mikemusic.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 17:13:24 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:10:20 -0500 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:10:17 -0500 Received: from thirteen (ip68.vancouver5.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.128.68]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08442 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:20:45 -0800 Message-Id: <200002042220.OAA08442@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:09:54 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup new roland sample PB In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 03:21 PM 2/4/00 -0500, mike p wrote: >darn. i was hoping that some of you multi s-7xx owners would prefer one >700 sampler and a few playback units. then i could suck up a second hand >700 series. (for a little less dough) You'll probably be able to anyway. According to a friend of mine in the LA= =20 recording scene, "everybody" (his word) is ditching their hardware samplers= =20 in favour of Gigasampler. I always prefer hardware instruments, so I think it's=20 really weird to do that, but apparently it is the case. --- "I can't stand it when postmodern critics talk about stories in terms like 'narrative structure.' These hardhat deconstruction-workers=20 harass stories as if they were gals passing by on the sidewalk.=20 They yell out stuff that's not only obnoxious, but completely bizarre and impenetrable. It's like they yell: 'Hey, check out the pelvic bio- mechanics on that babe! What a set of hypertrophied lactiferous=20 tissues!" - Bruce Sterling, "The Sword of Damocles" Ben Lincoln=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0angelform@iname.com=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~ben/ http://listen.to/angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 17:26:23 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:23:17 -0500 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:23:14 -0500 Received: from thirteen (ip68.vancouver5.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.128.68]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08485 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:33:49 -0800 Message-Id: <200002042233.OAA08485@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:22:59 -0500 To: "sgroup" From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 - i should have guessed it In-Reply-To: <003301bf6f59$377d6340$94f6d5d4@eskora1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 04:45 PM 2/4/00 -0500, Illusion Rake wrote: >I really can=B4t say anything else that Roland has kinda abandoned pro musicians and producers and keeps on licking >ass of all sorts of wanna-be-deejays. (I don=B4t know anybody who=B4s using= a SP-808 for serious music production.) >That is short-sighted and it will cost Roland the reputation they have built for + 25 years. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that feels this way =3D). Roland= hasn't=20 totally abandoned releasing good products (witness the JP-8000/8080,=20 the DR-202, and the SP-202 (For fun value), for example), but they=20 definitely are WAY too obsessed with their "groove" line. The problem is=20 that when people wake up and realize how overused and cliched the=20 303 and 808 are, all of that "groove" gear is going to be worthless, since= =20 it's pretty much a one-trick pony from what I've seen of it (MC-303/JX-305,= =20 MC-505, etc.) Unlike, say, their 70s and 80s synths and samplers which=20 are classics now because they are capable of such cool, unique sounds. --- "I can't stand it when postmodern critics talk about stories in terms like 'narrative structure.' These hardhat deconstruction-workers=20 harass stories as if they were gals passing by on the sidewalk.=20 They yell out stuff that's not only obnoxious, but completely bizarre and impenetrable. It's like they yell: 'Hey, check out the pelvic bio- mechanics on that babe! What a set of hypertrophied lactiferous=20 tissues!" - Bruce Sterling, "The Sword of Damocles" Ben Lincoln=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0angelform@iname.com=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~ben/ http://listen.to/angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 17:28:20 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:25:10 -0500 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:25:04 -0500 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm [196.3.0.2]) by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA07937; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:23:11 -0500 (GMT+5:00) Received: by minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id RAA03644; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:23:08 -0500 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001bf6f3b$52086a20$60f8d5d4@eskora1> References: <200002041132_MC2-97CA-83F9@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:06:14 -0500 To: "Illusion Rake" , "sgroup" From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup new roland sample PB Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 1:11 PM -0500 4/2/00, Illusion Rake wrote: >Hmm...I guess itīs NOT April 1st, isnīt it...??? :))) > >Are there any photos & additional information anywhere?? >Does it still have the RGB / mouse UI????? >And did I understood right that it doesnīt boast A/D converters???? :(( >Hopefully a digital i/o??? > >canīt believe itīs true.... > > >rake > it's on roland web site.. near the bottom there is a link to namm 2000.... there is photos there and in the web site under press releases there are .pdf files with more info.. seems like the RGB/mouse UI is history..thank god I decided to keep my s-760..... only digital outs.. both coaxial and optical.. and roland's R-Bus. rsp richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 17:29:26 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:26:32 -0500 Received: from fep08.tmt.tele.fi (hank-fep8-0.inet.fi [194.251.242.203]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:26:06 -0500 Received: from eskora1 ([212.213.246.148]) by fep08.tmt.tele.fi (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000204222517.QQFY19407.fep08.tmt.tele.fi@eskora1> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 00:25:17 +0200 Message-ID: <004d01bf6f5e$85a11a80$94f6d5d4@eskora1> From: "Illusion Rake" To: "sgroup" References: <3.0.6.32.20000204165322.00b8ac10@zoesis.com> Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 - i should have guessed it Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:23:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I use that library too; as it is one of the best (especially the = orchestral stuff) but i think you have to agree that is not going to = expand anymore... I=B4m pretty sure that the mouse/monitor UI is abandoned too; no hints = on the spec sheet and by the looks it=B4s a straight evolution of the = JV-1080 / 2080 design. Also I see no reason why it wouldn=B4t sound as = good as the real thing after convert-loading, as it handles the samples = in linear format (or so I got it). D/A converters have progressed = through the years, too (was it -89 when S-770 hit the market??). I guess I have to buy one...but I=B4m still hugely dissapointed and = frustrated because of Roland=B4s current product philosophy. They want = to please the dance music making people with their product line, yet = they don=B4t realize that an up-to-date, serious pro sampler is the = corner stone of all present electronic music production. I=B4m NOT = satisfied with a 8-voice phrase sampler (that plays samples from a ZIP = drive and has a totally unusable beam crap controller to amuse some = shallow-minded people) or a complex, nightmare-to-use-tiny LCD = screen-equipped, JV-2080 based compromise synth-sampler mutant. If = that=B4s all, I=B4ll stick with my 750 & 760, possibly buy one more, or = consider an EMU. One more thing: I hate myself for all this whining; as the XV-5080 is = propably a terrific piece of equipment, but i can=B4t still help feeling = dissappointed after all those hopeful and promising rumours that the = NAMM =B400 would make our dreams come true..... :((((((((((((( rake >Somehow I was still hoping that Roland would produce a honourable successor for the belowed S-series, but... >...IT=B4S A ****ing EXPANDED JV-2080 with the ability to CONVERT LOAD a sample library that is dead already! Hey, some of us use that sample library. But anyway, in my mind the real test of its use is: 1) Can it use the S-7xx mouse and monitor interface? This is after all = why I haven't abandoned my dear S-760's yet. 2) After convert-loading, does it sound as good as playback through an s-7xx sampler? Anyone have any info on this? Mike Shapiro Mike Shapiro Music http://mikemusic.com/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 17:39:11 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:36:03 -0500 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:35:55 -0500 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm [196.3.0.2]) by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA08297; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:33:50 -0500 (GMT+5:00) Received: by minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id RAA05151; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:33:50 -0500 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003301bf6f59$377d6340$94f6d5d4@eskora1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:34:12 -0500 To: "Illusion Rake" , "sgroup" From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 - i should have guessed it Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 4:45 PM -0500 4/2/00, Illusion Rake wrote: >OK, so now Iīve seen the beast on the net... > >Somehow I was still hoping that Roland would produce a honourable >successor for the belowed S-series, but... >...ITīS A ****ing EXPANDED JV-2080 with the ability to CONVERT LOAD a >sample library that is dead already! > although I will admit that yesterday when I slowly realised that after waiting four years for a successor to the s-760 that one wasn't coming.... after I calmed down somewhat I realised that 92% of the times that I use my sampler is to sample tracks of my adat and use cd-roms....a hard disk system which I am planning to buy will take care of the former and I guess the XV-5080 will take care of teh latter assuming it doesn't take as long as the S-760 to do a akai convert load when it is loading S-700 series files and I do hope it can at least read s-760 performances if it can't read volumes.. rsp richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 17:42:44 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193687-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:39:38 -0500 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:39:17 -0500 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm [196.3.0.2]) by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA08367; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:37:08 -0500 (GMT+5:00) Received: by minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id RAA05437; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:37:14 -0500 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000204165322.00b8ac10@zoesis.com> References: <003301bf6f59$377d6340$94f6d5d4@eskora1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:37:27 -0500 To: Mike Shapiro , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 - i should have guessed it Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk from what I have gathered so far is that it DOESN"T have mouse or monitor interface at least it is not mentioned in the two page pdf file I downloaded and I imagine it would have been..... I am glad I didn't sell my s-760... maybe they will become even more pricey now.... the XP5080 has 24 bit D/A so maybe they should sound even better... my concerns as mentioned previously is how long does a load convert take... and I am sure that they may have dropped two of the nicest features of the s series to me.. 1) listen delete 2) Volume Dump rsp > >1) Can it use the S-7xx mouse and monitor interface? This is after all why >I haven't abandoned my dear S-760's yet. >2) After convert-loading, does it sound as good as playback through an >s-7xx sampler? > richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 17:46:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193688-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:43:10 -0500 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:42:41 -0500 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm [196.3.0.2]) by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA08491; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:40:44 -0500 (GMT+5:00) Received: by minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id RAA05681; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:40:49 -0500 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004d01bf6f5e$85a11a80$94f6d5d4@eskora1> References: <3.0.6.32.20000204165322.00b8ac10@zoesis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:40:58 -0500 To: "Illusion Rake" , "sgroup" From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 - i should have guessed it Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >One more thing: I hate myself for all this whining; as the XV-5080 is >propably a terrific piece of equipment, but i canīt still help feeling >dissappointed after all those hopeful and promising rumours that the NAMM >ī00 would make our dreams come true..... :((((((((((((( > >rake I know how you feel.. and the vp9000 with a glorious 6 voices of polyphony despite it's elastic audio processing quality can't be a pro-sampler.. rsp richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 17:50:52 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193690-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:47:46 -0500 Received: from relay1.bu.edu ([128.197.153.99]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:47:34 -0500 Received: from bu.edu (HUNT-PROD3.BU.EDU [128.197.223.63]) by relay1.bu.edu ((8.9.3.buoit.v1.0.ACS)/) with ESMTP id RAA00450 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:47:30 -0500 Message-ID: <389B5810.7C5CB282@bu.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:52:00 -0500 From: Benjamin Emerson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Samplers List Subject: sgroup XV-5080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I guess the thing I most disappointed in (and glad I still have my 770) is that it's not a SAMPLER. I want to be able to take a sound and use the editing capabilities of a true sampler to massage the sound into something completely new, not just have another way of playing back samples off a library. Oh, well, gotta love my 770... -- Benjamin Emerson Audio Supervisor Huntington Theatre Co. Teaching Sound Designer Boston University Theatre Arts Division - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 18:10:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193689-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:07:02 -0500 Received: from fep07.tmt.tele.fi (hank-fep7-0.inet.fi [194.251.242.202]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:06:52 -0500 Received: from eskora1 ([194.197.66.24]) by fep07.tmt.tele.fi (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000204230649.DHFZ25352.fep07.tmt.tele.fi@eskora1> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:06:49 +0200 Message-ID: <002901bf6f64$53171e60$1842c5c2@eskora1> From: "Illusion Rake" To: "sgroup" References: <389B5810.7C5CB282@bu.edu> Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:05:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I guess the thing I most disappointed in (and glad I still have my = 770) > is that it's not a SAMPLER. I want to be able to take a sound and use > the editing capabilities of a true sampler to massage the sound into > something completely new, not just have another way of playing back > samples off a library. That is so true...though it is possible to sample into a S-machine and = transfer it to the sample player, I think it=B4s disturbes the creative = flow that intuitive sampling is all about. For me, for example Pro = Tools, have never offered any substitute for a sampler because it = isn=B4t an musical instrument the way a sampler is. In sampler the = pieces become greater than the sum of their parts (I=B4m not sure if = that expression translates, sorry), and that=B4s when some creative = things happen. And by the way, I don=B4t have Korg Triton either... (though I love = Trinity) rake > Oh, well, gotta love my 770... >=20 > --=20 > Benjamin Emerson > Audio Supervisor > Huntington Theatre Co. > Teaching Sound Designer > Boston University Theatre Arts Division >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 4 22:01:13 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193691-28188>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:57:52 -0500 Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-28189>; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:57:43 -0500 Received: from home.com ([24.9.141.226]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000205025741.PNVV28777.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:57:41 -0800 Message-ID: <389B8433.977F20B2@home.com> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:00:20 -0500 From: shaynefair X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup 700 series Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk hi guys: yea, i don't know.... guess i'll keep my 770 and 760 too.... i broke down and bought a unity ds-1 and osmosis to convert our beloved library but the jury is still way out on that.... listen, i'm breaking down and replacing my composite w/ an rgb or svideo display.. what's the best?? anybody got one they want to part w/ in la area??? thanks.. enjoy the list yet communicate rarely shayne fair http://www.mp3.com/shaynefair - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 5 01:33:03 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193692-1657>; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:29:36 -0500 Received: from fep07.tmt.tele.fi (hank-fep7-0.inet.fi [194.251.242.202]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-1656>; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:29:26 -0500 Received: from eskora1 ([212.213.246.229]) by fep07.tmt.tele.fi (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000205062917.DOOB25352.fep07.tmt.tele.fi@eskora1>; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:29:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01bf6fa2$21d426c0$e5f6d5d4@eskora1> From: "Illusion Rake" To: "shaynefair" Cc: "sgroup" References: <389B8433.977F20B2@home.com> Subject: Re: sgroup 700 series Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:27:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Please share your impressions of DS-1/Osmosis <----> 700-series with us! > i broke down and bought a unity ds-1 and osmosis to convert our > beloved library but the jury is still way out on that.... >=20 > listen, i'm breaking down and replacing my composite w/ an rgb or > svideo display.. what's the best?? anybody got one they want to > part w/ in la area??? >=20 > thanks.. enjoy the list yet communicate rarely >=20 > shayne fair >=20 > http://www.mp3.com/shaynefair >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 5 12:09:30 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-1657>; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:03:42 -0500 Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-1656>; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:03:31 -0500 Received: from home.com ([24.9.141.226]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000205170322.XNCK28777.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:03:22 -0800 Message-ID: <389C4A67.6138FD76@home.com> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:06:00 -0500 From: shaynefair X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup unity/osmosis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk it's really as i said, basically.. i'll let you know more shortly... i am using unity w/vst/24.. i am working at it.. it IS lovely to have a sampler plugin!! the string samples seem to convert well, although i have been doing this at home and not at my studio. my precious guitar effects pad, i believe it is called, is abreviated or something. i am using a g3 300mghz w/ 128 and it is definitely a full plate for the cpu. i have a g4 at studio and when i have time, i will be putting it in there and let you know more. the guys at bitheadz are wonderful and they are working like dogs to get all right. any good ideas re: the rgb monitor for my 760, 770 stuff. what about the switcher.. what works best. this little composite monitor has got to do. i know it isn't a sampler but my how i love having my juno 60 back after a lengthy separation!!!! :) shayne http://www.mp3.com/shaynefair - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 6 12:07:00 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-5287>; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:03:07 -0500 Received: from bluebird.introweb.nl ([195.86.14.74]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-5288>; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:02:53 -0500 Received: from introweb.nl (ip149-140.introweb.nl [195.86.149.140]) by bluebird.introweb.nl (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03011 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:57:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <389DA826.AFBCB230@introweb.nl> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:58:14 -0500 From: Robert olde Damink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup More info on XV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Can anybody tell me the exact location of the .pdf files for the new Roland XV gear? I can't seem to find them under Press-Releases on their site. Thanks, oldamink@introweb.nl - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 6 12:48:07 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-5288>; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:44:33 -0500 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-5287>; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:44:16 -0500 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm [196.3.0.2]) by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA04453; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:43:50 -0500 (GMT+5:00) Received: by minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id MAA12403; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:44:08 -0500 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <389DA826.AFBCB230@introweb.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:44:38 -0500 To: Robert olde Damink , sgroup From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup More info on XV Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 11:58 AM -0500 6/2/00, Robert olde Damink wrote: >Can anybody tell me the exact location of the .pdf files for the new >Roland XV gear? I can't seem to find them under Press-Releases on their >site. > >Thanks, >oldamink@introweb.nl > > > sorry.. unfortunately I say roland web site and mean roland usa...... sorry I keep forgetting the others. since I go to the usa one 99.999999% of the time.. http://www.rolandus.com/PRODUCTS/PRESS/PRESSNAMM.HTM rsp richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 9 06:43:35 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193689-3666>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:36:24 -0500 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il ([194.90.1.13]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3667>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:36:18 -0500 Received: from [199.203.203.70] (ts045p14.tlv.netvision.net.il [199.203.203.70]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22479 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:36:12 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:36:12 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ran Bagno Subject: sgroup XV-5080 Price Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi all. Does anyone know the VX 5080 price ? Ran - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 9 07:11:26 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193693-3667>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:08:24 -0500 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3667>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:08:14 -0500 Received: from [61.8.18.221] (kenny93.zip.com.au [61.8.18.221]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20151 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:07:16 +1100 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:07:56 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 Price From: Matt Jones To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I heard US$2500 Matt on 9/2/2000 10:36 PM, Ran Bagno at bagno@netvision.net.il wrote: > Hi all. > Does anyone know the VX 5080 price ? > Ran > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 9 21:52:34 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193694-3666>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:48:51 -0500 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3666>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:48:48 -0500 Received: from thirteen (ip27.vancouver5.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.128.27]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22877 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:59:11 -0800 Message-Id: <200002100259.SAA22877@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:48:22 -0500 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 Price In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Holy crap. I do have to make a slight retraction of my earlier statement regarding the products Roland releases. On further reflection, they do put out a majority of good products - the new hand percussion trigger thing at NAMM 00 is a good example. They sure don't skimp on the prices, though. For US$2500 I could get three of the rack version of Korg's new MS2000 virtual analog, a really really good sampler, or a whole rack full of used gear. At 07:07 AM 2/9/00 -0500, Matt Jones wrote: >I heard US$2500 > >Matt > >on 9/2/2000 10:36 PM, Ran Bagno at bagno@netvision.net.il wrote: > >> Hi all. >> Does anyone know the VX 5080 price ? >> Ran >> - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 9 22:35:47 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193696-3666>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:32:45 -0500 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3666>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:32:41 -0500 Received: from thirteen (ip27.vancouver5.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.128.27]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22982 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:43:21 -0800 Message-Id: <200002100343.TAA22982@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:32:30 -0500 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: sgroup XV-5080 not the sampler Roland was talking about? In-Reply-To: <200002100259.SAA22877@www.peak.sfu.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Wow. Right after I sent that last message to sgroup, I got an email from a friend in LA who was at NAMM. Apparently the XV-5080 is *NOT* the sampler Roland was talking about when they dropped hints months ago about NAMM. Here's what he had to say: "the highlight of the show was the new Roland Samplers (VP series) although they are extraordinarily expensive they are stunning...Roland has a new sampler coming out (The VP series) I saw this demo of key layouts with orchestral samples...they took samples at 73 bpm and had them up to 150bpm spread across the who keyboard instantly. Incredible!" Looking at the Harmony Central NAMM coverage, I came across this article: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM00/Roland/VP-9000.html which seems to confirm my friend's findings. It's really confusing because they never actually refer to it as a sampler per se, even though that's what it does. It sounds pretty cool, if what they say is more than marketing department hype. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 10 01:12:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193697-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:06:16 -0500 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:06:04 -0500 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm [196.3.0.2]) by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA02485; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:06:28 -0500 (GMT+5:00) Received: by minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id BAA23478; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:06:10 -0500 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200002100343.TAA22982@www.peak.sfu.ca> References: <200002100259.SAA22877@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:06:38 -0500 To: Ben Lincoln , From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 not the sampler Roland was talking about? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >they never actually refer to it as a sampler per se, even though that's what >it does. It sounds pretty cool, if what they say is more than marketing >department hype. > >- and from what I gather it has a whopping SIX (6) voices of polyphony... no wonder they are not marketing it as a sampler... but a 'elastic audio processor' rsp richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 10 03:14:21 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193699-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 03:11:02 -0500 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 03:10:59 -0500 Received: from maximumleetness (ip74.vancouver10.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.152.74]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA23684 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:21:40 -0800 Message-Id: X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 03:10:52 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 not the sampler Roland was talking about? In-Reply-To: References: <200002100343.TAA22982@www.peak.sfu.ca> <200002100259.SAA22877@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 01:06 AM 2/10/00 -0500, Richard Sven Patterson wrote: >and from what I gather it has a whopping SIX (6) voices of polyphony... no >wonder they are not marketing it as a sampler... but a 'elastic audio >processor' I was tempted to cackle horribly when I read that, but then I remembered the Yamaha VL1, which is/was very cool and only had two voices of polyphony (and cost something like US$3000 as well). I guess every new technology has to start somewhere. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 10 09:42:11 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:38:09 -0500 Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net ([207.158.192.42]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193673-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:37:59 -0500 Received: from www.sampleheads.com (207.158.245.187) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 011737598; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:37:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 not the sampler Roland was talking about? Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:37:38 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3 Y2KJanuary 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: "Ben Lincoln" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Loop-Detect: 1 Message-Id: <2000Feb10.093759edt.193673-3023@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk 2 totally different products... The VP9000 is about loops and phrases. The XV-5080 *is* the sampler you want. The VP is extraordinary. Jaw dropping, etc... people working with loops may consider selling their soul for one. jr >Wow. > > Right after I sent that last message to sgroup, I got an email from a >friend >in LA who was at NAMM. > Apparently the XV-5080 is *NOT* the sampler Roland was talking about >when they dropped hints months ago about NAMM. Here's what he had >to say: > > "the highlight of the show was the new Roland Samplers (VP >series) although they are extraordinarily expensive they are >stunning...Roland has a new sampler coming out (The VP series) I saw >this demo of key layouts with orchestral samples...they took samples >at 73 bpm and had them up to 150bpm spread across the who keyboard >instantly. Incredible!" > > Looking at the Harmony Central NAMM coverage, I came across this >article: > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM00/Roland/VP-9000.html > > which seems to confirm my friend's findings. It's really confusing because >they never actually refer to it as a sampler per se, even though that's what >it does. It sounds pretty cool, if what they say is more than marketing >department hype. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 10 10:02:40 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:02:17 -0500 Received: from nordpol.dbf.ddb.de ([193.175.100.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:02:10 -0500 Received: from poppix.dbf.ddb.de (poppix.dbf.ddb.de [193.175.99.21]) by nordpol.dbf.ddb.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15342 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:03:27 +0100 Received: from f-ntws-01349 (f-ntws-01349.dbf.ddb.de [193.175.99.73]) by poppix.dbf.ddb.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA00445 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:06:23 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:01:57 +0100 Message-ID: <01BF73E0.28052E80.seidelt@dbf.ddb.de> From: Thomas Seidel To: "sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca" Subject: sgroup S-220 diagnostic program Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:01:55 -0500 Organization: Die Deutsche Bibliothek X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I just got the service notes for my S-220, this box has a builtin diagnostic feature! The tests will reset your settings to the default values (esp. in the midi section). - Press Perform and Midi together and power on - Use any structure key to step to the next test. For the first run, you will get a backup memory error. Ignore this and start a second run, now the backup mem will be ok. You will also need a scratch disk with a good sine wave sample for the D/A tests. If you need more information, drop me a mail... -- Thomas - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 10 22:25:25 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:23:40 -0500 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3023>; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:23:37 -0500 Received: from l33tfux0r (ip50.vancouver11.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.153.50]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26889 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:34:09 -0800 Message-Id: <200002110334.TAA26889@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:23:21 -0500 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup XV-5080 not the sampler Roland was talking about? In-Reply-To: <200002101437.JAA06745@smv08.iname.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 09:37 AM 2/10/00 -0500, Jeremy Roberts wrote: >2 totally different products... Right. I got that. >The VP9000 is about loops and phrases. > >The XV-5080 *is* the sampler you want. I'd hesitate to call the 5080 a sampler based on what I've heard. I'd categorize it more as a synth module which can import a selected category of samples. What I meant by "the sampler Roland was talking about" was how a few months ago someone mentioned that Roland had told people to wait until NAMM because something really amazing was going to show up. Since the 5080 isn't really amazing (it seems to be basically an evolution of the JV series), I'm thinking the VP is what they were talking about, since it's sort of a new breed of sampler. >The VP is extraordinary. Jaw dropping, etc... people working with loops >may consider selling their soul for one. Yeah, from what I've read I can see that happening. Even for someone like me who doesn't use loops, it's capabilities would be incredible just based on how it can alter a sample's formant, pitch, and length all independently of each other. There's not a chance I could afford one at this point in time, but it would be an incredible tool. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 14 17:21:39 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-25948>; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:19:16 -0500 Received: from dougsworld.com ([209.51.193.36]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-25948>; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:19:12 -0500 Received: (from mark@localhost) by dougsworld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30131 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:09:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200002142209.RAA30131@dougsworld.com> Subject: sgroup Sgroup: DJ-70? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:09:49 -0500 Reply-To: mark@dougsworld.com From: Markleford Friedman X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Just joined the list. Or rejoined, perhaps, as I was a member of some incarnation of this list a few years back... My only (hardware) sampler is still the Roland DJ-70 (the original, *not* a mkII), though it's fallen into disuse due to my more recent interest in digital audio via the PC. However, I'd still like a way to easily transfer data between the PC and the DJ-70. I tried doing it with my brother's copy of SoundDiver, but the handshaking kept failing on me. Anybody have luck with this? Or SampleDump in general? Or heck, even sdisk? At the very least, I'd like to be able to backup my disks and convert the samples to wav files. Heh, though I suppose I should ask firstly: does anyone even *use* this beast anymore? :) - m - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 15 21:31:56 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-21525>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:30:44 -0500 Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.68]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-21525>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:30:40 -0500 Received: from JimMIDIDR@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id 6.c7.2194570 (4250) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:30:22 -0500 (EST) From: JimMIDIDR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:30:22 -0500 Subject: sgroup s550 / scsi question To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, anyone out there..... I have a Roland S550 sampler, and just acquired the scsi kit for it. I tried to connect my scsi zip drive to it, but the sampler won't recognize it. Any suggestions? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 16 13:39:02 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15113>; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:38:03 -0500 Received: from picker.com (central2.picker.com [144.54.3.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15113>; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:37:56 -0500 Received: from [144.54.52.93] (HELO kayak.ct.picker.com) by picker.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 1402339 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:37:17 -0500 Received: by kayak.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA04892; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:37:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:37:44 -0500 From: shermane@ct.picker.com (Sherman) Message-Id: <200002161837.NAA04892@kayak.ct.picker.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s550 / scsi question X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > From: JimMIDIDR@aol.com > Hi, anyone out there..... > > I have a Roland S550 sampler, and just acquired the scsi kit for it. I tried > to connect my scsi zip drive to it, but the sampler won't recognize it. Any > suggestions? > 1) where did you find a scsi kit? 2) termination. Zip termination ain't so hot. Have something else terminate the chain. 3) I think there was a size limit on disks was... 40M or 64M or something. I believe it just wastes the disk space over the limit. p.s. Anyone know if the schematics for the SCSI board are available anywhere? Does it have any ROMs on it? -Mike -------------------------------------------------------------- Michael E. Sherman michael.sherman@marconimed.com Marconi Medical Systems voice: 440-483-4609 Picker Medical Imaging - CT Engineering fax: 440-483-7098 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 16 14:25:39 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15113>; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:24:58 -0500 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.1.101]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15112>; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:24:53 -0500 Received: from imp.corp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01800; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sjspc ([156.151.36.159]) by imp.corp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23291; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:24:49 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: , Subject: RE: sgroup s550 / scsi question Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:25:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200002161837.NAA04892@kayak.ct.picker.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk There are only a very limited set of drives that will work with your S-550 scsi interface. You *MIGHT* be able to obtain a list from Roland. I actually bought the Roland HD and Roland CD-ROM drive in order to make it work. I know there are a few third party drives that will work, but I'm not sure which ones.... You'll have to talk to Roland. Even then, you might not be able to find those models anymore. So it could be interesting to find a drive that works. Best of luck to you... -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: shermane@ct.picker.com [mailto:shermane@ct.picker.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 10:38 AM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup s550 / scsi question > > > > From: JimMIDIDR@aol.com > > > Hi, anyone out there..... > > > > I have a Roland S550 sampler, and just acquired the scsi > kit for it. I tried > > to connect my scsi zip drive to it, but the sampler won't > recognize it. Any > > suggestions? > > > 1) where did you find a scsi kit? > 2) termination. Zip termination ain't so hot. Have > something else terminate > the chain. > 3) I think there was a size limit on disks was... 40M or 64M > or something. I > believe it just wastes the disk space over the limit. > > p.s. Anyone know if the schematics for the SCSI board are > available anywhere? > Does it have any ROMs on it? > > -Mike > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael E. Sherman michael.sherman@marconimed.com > Marconi Medical Systems voice: 440-483-4609 > Picker Medical Imaging - CT Engineering fax: 440-483-7098 > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 16 14:51:47 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15113>; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:51:11 -0500 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15113>; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:51:08 -0500 Received: from dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@dogwood-f [10.5.102.12]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id OAA14468; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id OAA07602; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:50:54 -0500 (EST) Comments: OAA07602 on dogwood (hop 0), Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:50:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:50:53 -0500 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@dogwood To: Sherman cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s550 / scsi question In-Reply-To: <200002161837.NAA04892@kayak.ct.picker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > p.s. Anyone know if the schematics for the SCSI board are available anywhere? > Does it have any ROMs on it? wow. i hadent thought of this. indeed, i could bulid one. so whats the word on schematics?! m - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 17 23:37:16 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20702>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:36:01 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f168.hotmail.com [209.185.131.231]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193673-20702>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:35:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 13594 invoked by uid 0); 18 Feb 2000 04:35:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000218043549.13593.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.112.158.228 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:35:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [24.112.158.228] From: "Andrew Petrasiunas" To: JimMIDIDR@aol.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s550 / scsi question Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:35:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I've successfully used a Syquest 135 with terminator. Will only format and read first 80 meg but heck - speed over floppy booting and loading is worth the loss - but, I don't think the zip drive works - has to do with understanding the park command I believe. I seem to recall the drive must have "sony" or "JVC" mechanism to be read - or is that for CDroms - or is that another Roland product???? Will check my notes - haven't been using 550 much lately. (he searches) Here's an idea - directly from a HD5-IF manual addendum re. booting (original spelling, punctuation included for free - those were the days my friend...my comments are in perenthesis) "1. Turn the S-550 on, and wait until "Please Insert System Disk" appears in the display. 2. Turn the hard disk on, then wait 12 to 13 seconds. 3. Insert the HD5-IF system disk into the disk drive. Wgen bootin is complete, the Play Mode Display will return. (Here are my favourite lines - ed.) Notes *Please be sure to wait for 10 seconds before turning on the hard disk or S-550 after turning off, or before turninf off after turning on. (?????? - ed.) *If the access lamp on the hard disk remains lit while it is running, (????? - ed.) turn off the hard disk once, then turn it on again. (vs. turning it off several times before you turn it on again?? - ed,) *If the S-550 stops working properly, turn off the the hard disk and the S-550 once, then turn them on again." Also included are the following Apple/CMS? hard disk models Apple M-2620 (20M), M-2644 (40M), M2688 (80M) CMS SD-20 (20M), SD-80 (80M) If you do get it working 80 megs will provide with 64 storage locations - H11...H18...H28...H88 - 64 disks worth. Hope this helps. Andrew. >From: JimMIDIDR@aol.com >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: sgroup s550 / scsi question >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:30:22 -0500 > >Hi, anyone out there..... > >I have a Roland S550 sampler, and just acquired the scsi kit for it. I >tried >to connect my scsi zip drive to it, but the sampler won't recognize it. Any >suggestions? > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 18 00:08:09 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-26899>; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:07:25 -0500 Received: from uhura.concentric.net ([206.173.118.93]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-26899>; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:07:15 -0500 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA01512; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:07:06 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from compuserve.com ([208.37.245.184]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA29487; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:07:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38ACD352.6B3D7F4C@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:06:39 -0500 From: Bruce Tovsky Reply-To: BTovsky@compuserve.com Organization: Skeleton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JimMIDIDR@aol.com CC: SGroup Subject: sgroup Zip w/S550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Jim, I developed a technique to get my S550 to recognize my EZ135 Syquest. Let me see if I remember it... Got a pencil? First of all, you've got to have the System disk S550 CD-5 Sys V1.00 22 Nov/88, it's the last know version of the OS and the following tweak is only good for it, as far as I know. DISK MODE --- choose SETUP --- if the drive didn't mount (your problem, right?) you'll probably see an error message in the lower right of the screen (you DO have a monitor hooked up, don't you?) that says "Heads Parking *'HD Restart' " ignore this and go to HARD DISK ID = SCSI # 4 (or whatever you have the ZIP ID set to) and change the value up one and then back down to the original setting. The error message should go away and you'll see "80M --- Area 64" and you're good to go. Like I said, this works with my EZ135, never tried it on a ZIP, might work - might not. Can't hurt to try. My data gets to and from the EZ135 just fine, you can pack a lot of floppies into 80meg. Good luck Bruce - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 18 10:33:17 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-26899>; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:32:19 -0500 Received: from shasta.gate.net ([216.219.246.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-26899>; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:32:09 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tsdfb5-107.gate.net [199.227.90.107]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12310 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: <38AD65AB.3037A375@gate.net> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:30:58 -0500 From: -adam- Reply-To: dopey@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Zip w/S550 References: <38ACD352.6B3D7F4C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The EZ135 works perfectly with the S760 (incase anyone is interested). adam Bruce Tovsky wrote: > Jim, > I developed a technique to get my S550 to recognize > my EZ135 Syquest. Let me see if I remember it... > Got a pencil? > First of all, you've got to have the System disk > S550 CD-5 Sys V1.00 22 Nov/88, it's the last know > version of the OS and the following tweak is only good > for it, as far as I know. > DISK MODE --- choose SETUP --- if the drive didn't mount > (your problem, right?) you'll probably see an error message > in the lower right of the screen (you DO have a monitor > hooked up, don't you?) that says "Heads Parking *'HD Restart' " > ignore this and go to HARD DISK ID = SCSI # 4 (or whatever > you have the ZIP ID set to) and change the value up one and > then back down to the original setting. The error message > should go away and you'll see "80M --- Area 64" and you're > good to go. Like I said, this works with my EZ135, never tried > it on a ZIP, might work - might not. Can't hurt to try. My data > gets to and from the EZ135 just fine, you can pack a lot of > floppies into 80meg. > Good luck > Bruce > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 18 10:34:12 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-26898>; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:33:41 -0500 Received: from shasta.gate.net ([216.219.246.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-26899>; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:33:05 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tsdfb5-107.gate.net [199.227.90.107]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25928 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:32:59 -0500 Message-ID: <38AD65E1.F3421A74@gate.net> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:31:52 -0500 From: -adam- Reply-To: dopey@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Zip w/S550 References: <38ACD352.6B3D7F4C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The EZ135 is also much faster than the ZIP drive if you are accessing multiple samples at the same time (much faster seek) adam Bruce Tovsky wrote: > Jim, > I developed a technique to get my S550 to recognize > my EZ135 Syquest. Let me see if I remember it... > Got a pencil? > First of all, you've got to have the System disk > S550 CD-5 Sys V1.00 22 Nov/88, it's the last know > version of the OS and the following tweak is only good > for it, as far as I know. > DISK MODE --- choose SETUP --- if the drive didn't mount > (your problem, right?) you'll probably see an error message > in the lower right of the screen (you DO have a monitor > hooked up, don't you?) that says "Heads Parking *'HD Restart' " > ignore this and go to HARD DISK ID = SCSI # 4 (or whatever > you have the ZIP ID set to) and change the value up one and > then back down to the original setting. The error message > should go away and you'll see "80M --- Area 64" and you're > good to go. Like I said, this works with my EZ135, never tried > it on a ZIP, might work - might not. Can't hurt to try. My data > gets to and from the EZ135 just fine, you can pack a lot of > floppies into 80meg. > Good luck > Bruce > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 23 19:34:36 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-3160>; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:31:29 -0500 Received: from va.com.au ([203.15.106.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3160>; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:31:14 -0500 Received: from [150.101.97.24] (150.101.97.24) by va.com.au with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2); Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:01:00 +1030 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:34:11 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Peter Subject: sgroup Index to s770 disk images on ftp site ? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello S-group I was perusing the ftp site and came across all the s-770 disk images and was wondering if there is an index to indicate what is contained on the disks. Anyone know of one ? Have I missed it ? Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 23 19:41:35 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-25862>; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:40:13 -0500 Received: from va.com.au ([203.15.106.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-25862>; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:39:39 -0500 Received: from [150.101.97.24] (150.101.97.24) by va.com.au with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2); Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:09:08 +1030 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:42:21 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Peter Subject: sgroup creating 1.4 meg disk images on Mac ? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hiya S-groovers I see there is a 1.4 meg version of s-disk for the mac but it only creates disks from images and not the other way round. Is there another mac app that will create Roland disk images of the 1.4 meg kind ? If so I may be tempted to put some sounds on the www. Many thanks Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 23 20:16:36 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-3160>; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:15:55 -0500 Received: from duval.se.mediaone.net ([24.129.0.67]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-3160>; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:15:39 -0500 Received: from Recorder (surf116-53-84.jacksonville.net [24.129.53.84]) by duval.se.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA12894; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:15:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001e01bf7e65$980dc860$0264a8c0@Recorder.mediaone.net> From: "Micheal Goins" To: , "Peter" Subject: Re: sgroup Index to s770 disk images on ftp site ? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:22:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Yes there is. I managed to find another copy of the images on an FTP which also happens to be much faster than the GC site: ftp://sunsite.smc.univie.ac.at/mirrors/lotus.uwaterloo.ca/pub/sgroup/samples /Roland/READMES/l701-711.txt >Hello S-group > >I was perusing the ftp site and came across all the >s-770 disk images and was wondering if there is an >index to indicate what is contained on the disks. > >Anyone know of one ? Have I missed it ? > >Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 24 01:44:19 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-11447>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:43:28 -0500 Received: from mail4.uunet.ca ([209.167.141.34]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-11447>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:43:21 -0500 Received: from gc7.generalconcepts.com (24.65.54.138.on.wave.home.com [24.65.54.138]) by mail4.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <208021-1605>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:43:20 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc7.generalconcepts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17723; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:43:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:43:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200002240643.BAA17723@gc7.generalconcepts.com> To: mpgoins@mediaone.net, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: John Sellens Subject: Re: sgroup Index to s770 disk images on ftp site ? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk | From owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca Wed Feb 23 22:27:15 2000 | From: "Micheal Goins" | To: , "Peter" | Subject: Re: sgroup Index to s770 disk images on ftp site ? | Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:22:16 -0500 | | Yes there is. I managed to find another copy of the images on an FTP which | also happens to be much faster than the GC site: | ftp://sunsite.smc.univie.ac.at/mirrors/lotus.uwaterloo.ca/pub/sgroup/samples | /Roland/READMES/l701-711.txt That mirror site isn't up to date, because the machine it claims to be mirroring, lotus.uwaterloo.ca, hasn't existed for quite a while, since early February 1998, just over two years ago. But, fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your point of view), there haven't been huge changes since then. But there have been some ... John sgroup volunteer guy jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 24 11:25:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-11447>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:24:14 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f188.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.188]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193673-11447>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:24:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 26793 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2000 16:23:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224162355.26792.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.46.42.244 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:23:55 PST X-Originating-IP: [200.46.42.244] From: "Carlos Ucar" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup s-disk help Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:23:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk You guys may laugh at me for this, but I cannot get s-disk to work for me! Once I have the sample in my PC and make a succesful (at least it seems) transfer to floppy, my sampler won't recognize the disk. The readme file is not very helpful, so I was wondering if a merciful soul among you could explain to me how to use it. (At least I know that I'm supposed to use it in DOS, so that's not the problem) Thanks a lot, carlos ucar Seņor Loop Productions Panama City, Panama ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 24 11:35:55 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-11447>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:35:26 -0500 Received: from escambia.se.mediaone.net ([24.129.0.53]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-11446>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:35:11 -0500 Received: from mgoins (jas114-40.se.mediaone.net [24.129.58.90]) by escambia.se.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA08084; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:34:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Micheal Goins" To: "Carlos Ucar" , Subject: RE: sgroup s-disk help Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001001bf7ee5$adc45900$5a3a8118@mgoins.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000224162355.26792.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > You guys may laugh at me for this, but I cannot get s-disk to > work for me! For 720K: I've had problems with certain computers not handling Double density disks very well. Other's I've gone into the computers BIOS and change the floppy setting to 720K, essentially tricking the computer into thinking the floppy is 720K. In general make sure there are no errors on the floppy by doing a FULL format on the floppy from a computer. If there are any surface errors on the floppy then you cannot use it with sdisk, since sdisk writes to the entire floppy and doesn't care where bad sectors are. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 24 11:58:24 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-11447>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:58:06 -0500 Received: from shasta.gate.net ([216.219.246.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-11447>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:57:56 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tsdfb4-6.gate.net [199.227.99.133]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20036; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:57:41 -0500 Message-ID: <38B56287.280A2724@gate.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:55:36 -0500 From: -adam- Reply-To: dopey@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Micheal Goins , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup s-disk help References: <001001bf7ee5$adc45900$5a3a8118@mgoins.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk It's been a while...but I covered both disk notches when using sdisk to make the computer think the disk is low density. The program will work somehow. I managed to get it to work without a problem with an XT emulator on an Amiga a few years ago. adam Micheal Goins wrote: > > You guys may laugh at me for this, but I cannot get s-disk to > > work for me! > > For 720K: > I've had problems with certain computers not handling Double density disks > very well. Other's I've gone into the computers BIOS and change the floppy > setting to 720K, essentially tricking the computer into thinking the floppy > is 720K. > > In general make sure there are no errors on the floppy by doing a FULL > format on the floppy from a computer. If there are any surface errors on > the floppy then you cannot use it with sdisk, since sdisk writes to the > entire floppy and doesn't care where bad sectors are. > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 24 12:16:05 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-11446>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:15:36 -0500 Received: from asylum.carrot.com.au ([61.8.0.66]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-11447>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:15:30 -0500 Received: from parrot.cairead.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asylum.carrot.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02540 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:15:10 +1100 (EST) Received: from uv.cairead.com (uv.cairead.com [192.168.66.10]) by parrot.cairead.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA10954 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:00:21 GMT Received: (from nic@localhost) by uv.cairead.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id RAA07961 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:01:10 GMT Message-Id: <200002241701.RAA07961@uv.cairead.com> Subject: Re: sgroup s-disk help In-Reply-To: <20000224162355.26792.qmail@hotmail.com> from Carlos Ucar at "Feb 24, 2000 11:23:55 am" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:01:10 -0500 From: nic@carrot.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} You guys may laugh at me for this, but I cannot get s-disk to work for me! => Once I have the sample in my PC and make a succesful (at least it seems) => transfer to floppy, my sampler won't recognize the disk. The readme file is => not very helpful, so I was wondering if a merciful soul among you could => explain to me how to use it. (At least I know that I'm supposed to use it => in DOS, so that's not the problem) => Thanks a lot, Hmm. As author of the 'not very helpful' readme, :-) I can add the following: SDISK This document consists of updated information on sdisk. It assumes the following: 1. You have successfully unzipped the sdisk.zip package 2. You have read the sdisk.doc file supplied with the sdisk zip file sdisk works with diskette images for the Roland series samplers. It takes a sampler diskette and saves the entire contents to a file for emailing or uploading. It does not interpret the actual data on the sampler diskete in any way. It also takes sampler diskette image (*.out or *.sdk) files created with sdisk (or smac for the Mac, which is NOT written by me) and writes them to a diskette which can be later used in a sampler. Roland and other sites make available diskette image files for sample sets and operating system updates. sdisk can be used to 'reconstitute' these files onto a diskette. sdisk cannot convert samples from a diskette to WAV or any such format. I am led to believe that there exists a utility called 'convert' which can do this, but have never tried this first hand. For the record, I have converted samples from my S750 to WAV, using SDS over MIDI and a commercial product called 'SampleVision' and then used GoldWave or Sound Forge to convert the SampleVision .SMP file to .WAV. I have had only marginal success going the other way with this method (loop points in the data file are not preserved and I got clicks and pops). As I have hardly any need to convert from my Roland to WAV I have not pursued this any further. Now, an examination of common problems (in order of frequency) USING SDISK UNDER WINDOWS 95 or WINDOWS NT Sadly, sdisk does NOT work well under win95 or win NT. This is because sdisk was written years before these two systems and because the necessary BIOS calls that sdisk makes to do its work are not honoured by the 95/NT system. You will need to boot with a version of DOS 6 or below in order to use sdisk. This is commonly done by booting from a bootable iskette with DOS 6 or below on it. The error messages that sdisk generates are varied when attempting to run under win95/NT and don't appear to make any sense. DISK SIZES sdisk sometimes generates the message 'Diskette too small/large for file' when you attempt to write a sample image file to a diskette. This is because the file you are trying to write to the diskette is indeed the wrong size for the diskette. A sample image diskette can be of one of two sizes only and each size requires a different diskette type (use DIR to see the size of the file): File Size Common File Type Diskette Needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 737280 S50/550/W30 images Double Sided/Double Density (DS/DD) OS Updates from Roland 1474560 S7XX sample images Double Sided/High Density (DS/HD) Make sure you use the correct diskette type for the file size listed. If the file size is not either of those shown above, then it may need to be uncompressed or it may not be complete. If the file you downloaded for use with sdisk has a .zip extension, you will need to use an unzip package (PKZIP, WinZIP) to uncompress the file before attempting to use it. PATHNAME BUG The first version of sdisk has a bug in it where if you specify too long a pathname for the sample image file it will generate spurious error messages and abort the read/write. The lastest version of sdisk is V1.1 which is available from http://www.carrot.com.au . I believe Roland is still shipping V1.0 which has this bug. If you're not using long pathnames you will probably never notice this bug. W30 I have had many reports that the W30 OS upgrades shipped by Roland from their site do not work once placed into the W30. I cannot confirm this as I do not have a W30 myself and I have never heard from anyone using a W30 who has reported problems to me whether they ever got it working or not. In short, I don't know, but either the W30 images at Roland are corrupt, or the W30 diskette format is not compatible with sdisk (ie. a proprietary diskette sectoring scheme only known to Roland) OK, common problems out of the way, here are step by step instructions for both reading and writing a diskete image. These steps assume: 1. In the case of writing a diskette image, the file size of the file to be written is as described above under 'DISK SIZES'. 2. You are using DOS and not win95/NT 3. Your 3.5" diskete drive is the A: drive I also recommend making a separate directory on your hard disk and storing sdisk.exe and any sample files you may wish to use in the one directory. I'm going to assume this is C:\SDISK but of course you can use any directory you like. I'm also assuming the current directory is set to this directory. Under DOS, the command 'CD \SDISK' would do that. WRITING A DISKETTE IMAGE You need to to follow the steps below to write a diskette image. Generally you want to write when you have downloaded or received a sample image file and wish to use it in your sampler, say an OS update or a sample set. For the sake of these instructions, let's assume the sample file is called SAMPLE.OUT and is in the same directory as sdisk. 1. Insert the correct size diskette in the diskette drive on the PC. 2. Change to the directory with sdisk.exe and sample.out 3. Run sdisk 4. Press the 'D' key to set the file details 5. Type 'SAMPLE.OUT' and press RETURN 6. Press the 'A' key (or if your 3.5" floppy is B:, press the 'B' key) 7. Press the 'W' key and the image file sample.out will be written onto the diskette 8. When finished, remove the diskette from the PC and put it in your sampler. If an OS disk, try to boot with it or if a sample disk, see if you can read it. If you can, then all is well. If not... READING A DISKETTE IMAGE You need to to follow the steps below to read a diskette image to a file. Generally you want to read when you wish to make a sample image file from a sampler diskette for sending to someone or maybe just as a backup on your PC. For the sake of these instructions, let's assume you have a diskette with some string samples that you want to send to a friend and will call the image file STRINGS.OUT 1. Insert the sampler diskette in the drive of the PC 2. Change to the directory with sdisk.exe and where the sample image file will be stored. 3. Run sdisk 4. Press the 'D' key to set the file details 5. Type 'STRINGS.OUT' and press RETURN 6. Press the 'A' key (or if your 3.5" floppy is B:, press the 'B' key) 7. Press the 'R' key and the image file strings.out will be written into the directory. 8. When finished, you can email this file or do whatever you like with it. In order to make the file into a sampler readable diskette you (or someone else) will need to take the file and use sdisk to write the file to a diskette, as described above. TROUBLESHOOTING Got this far, but still no luck? Well I suggest you try as a test taking a known good sampler diskette (works in the sampler fine) and try reading it to a file and then writing the file back to a different diskette. If the sampler doesn't recognise the copy (or the PC doesn't recognise the original) you may have drive alignment problems on either the PC or the sampler (most likely the sampler) and may need to get it serviced. If the test above did work, then maybe the files you are working with are corrupt, incomplete or downloaded without the 'BINARY' setting if they were FTP'ed from an Internet site. Regards, Nic. -- Nic Grant, Soft Audio, nic@cairead.com, +353 872 300 914 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 24 15:14:49 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-11446>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:14:00 -0500 Received: from firewall.telsec.net ([209.250.135.138]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-11446>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:13:49 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.109] by firewall.telsec.net for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca id PAA06067; Thu Feb 24 15:13:45 2000 Received: by ops.yyz.gnac.net; id MAA22200; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nodnsquery(192.168.16.141) by firewall.ops.yyz.gnac.net via smap (V5.0) id xma022197; Thu, 24 Feb 00 12:14:06 -0800 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc7.generalconcepts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25930; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:13:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:13:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200002242013.PAA25930@gc7.generalconcepts.com> Subject: Re: sgroup s-disk help To: nic@carrot.com.au, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: John Sellens Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks Nic - a very slightly different version of this information was already with sdisk in the utilities directory in the archive as "sdisk.FAQ" from November 1997. I saved this message as "sdisk.FAQ.2000" and stored it a few additional places to (hopefully) make it harder to miss. John sgroup guy jsellens@generalconcepts.com | Subject: Re: sgroup s-disk help | To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca | Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:01:10 -0500 | From: nic@carrot.com.au (Nic Grant) | | Hmm. As author of the 'not very helpful' readme, :-) I can add the | following: | | ....... | | -- | Nic Grant, Soft Audio, nic@cairead.com, +353 872 300 914 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 24 23:42:19 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-11446>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:40:52 -0500 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-11446>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:40:42 -0500 Received: from l33tfux0r (ip126.vancouver5.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.128.126]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05155 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:52:00 -0800 Message-Id: <200002250452.UAA05155@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:40:33 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: sgroup SampleVision In-Reply-To: <200002241701.RAA07961@uv.cairead.com> References: <20000224162355.26792.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 12:01 PM 2/24/00 -0500, Nic Grant wrote: > For the record, I have > converted samples from my S750 to WAV, using SDS over MIDI and a commercial > product called 'SampleVision' and then used GoldWave or Sound Forge to > convert the SampleVision .SMP file to .WAV. Speaking of SampleVision, does anyone know where I can pick up a copy? Turtle Beach discontinued it awhile ago, and while there was a Mirage Users Group that distributed it in the past, they have disappeared and it may have been a pirated version anyway, which would of course be evil to pay money for. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 25 02:33:40 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-23607>; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:33:18 -0500 Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-23607>; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:33:12 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-51-47.tnt8.me.uunet.de [149.225.51.47]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id IAA14558 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:33:03 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <38B62EE8.8129D852@cityweb.de> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:27:36 -0500 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup creating 1.4 meg disk images on Mac ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Peter wrote: > I see there is a 1.4 meg version of s-disk for the mac Wow, I didn't know this. Just downloaded it, and it works fine on my Mac. Great news! Was this ever announced on this mailing list? > but it > only creates disks from images and not the other way round. > > Is there another mac app that will create Roland disk images > of the 1.4 meg kind ? I've used the Atari version of SAMDISK and an Atari emulator (MagicMac) for that purpose. Somehow complicated, but works. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 28 11:14:09 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20465>; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:12:05 -0500 Received: from mail5.uunet.ca ([142.77.1.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-20465>; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:11:58 -0500 Received: from gc7.generalconcepts.com (24.65.54.138.on.wave.home.com [24.65.54.138]) by mail5.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <231369-9658>; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:13:28 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc7.generalconcepts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09211 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:11:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:11:50 -0500 From: John Sellens Message-Id: <200002281611.LAA09211@gc7.generalconcepts.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Hey buddy - want to buy a CD? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk A long time ago I mentioned that I planned to offer to write sgroup archive CD-ROMs in case anyone wanted one. I'm now organized enough to actually do that. I'm happy to provide CD-ROMs containing the sgroup collection of stuff, which is a big-ish lump of the Roland library, various operating systems, mailng list archives, various contributed samples, utility programs and so on. I could put a file listing on line if anyone wants to see it. I was thinking that $10.00CAN within Canada or $10.00US elsewhere would allow me to cover my costs (media, mailers, postage, spoiled media, tranquilizers required after having to deal with the silly windows box, large hammers for fixing windows box, and so on), and allow me an occasional beer. If you're interested, please let me know. John volunteer sgroup guy jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 28 16:12:40 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-27108>; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:11:48 -0500 Received: from netgate.co.nz ([202.27.201.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-27108>; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:11:41 -0500 Received: from [202.27.201.30] (30.netgate.co.nz [202.27.201.30]) by netgate.co.nz (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03871 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:10:56 +1300 X-Sender: craigus@netgate.co.nz Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:11:22 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Craig Harris Subject: sgroup s10 transfer? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk hi - a friend of mine is borrowing a Roland s-10 and needs some help. He needs to transfer samples to it via midi with a PC Anyone know of any software that will do it? could you cc a solution to his email address: steve.voisey@clear.net.nz Cheers - Windows 95: n. 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. band webpage: http://www.elusivetones.co.nz band email: mailto:elusivetones@email.com webpage: http://www.geocities.com/moznz/ email: mailto:craigus@bigfoot.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 28 23:46:35 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-1068>; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:45:38 -0500 Received: from spamgaae.compuserve.com (as-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-27108>; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:45:20 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id XAA06068 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:45:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:44:43 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup s760 monitor? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200002282344_MC2-9B1A-11CA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I have been using a 13" Sony TV that has video in as a monitor for my s76= 0. The resolution is very bad and hard on my eyes, so I'd prefer to use something better. I assume a dedicated monitor will be higher res than TV= . Is there a old 9" or 10" color monitor from Apple or Commodore or someone= that is COMPOSITE video that would work better? Was the Apple 2c color? That about the right size.. I could use RGB or s-video, but I have a COMPOSITE VIDEO switcher for multiple samplers, so composite 9" good res color is my first choice. Any tips? If I must go RGB, what RBG 9" RBG monitors exist? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 29 00:26:50 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:26:19 -0500 Received: from shuswap.gate.net ([216.219.246.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:26:08 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tsdfb2-352.gate.net [207.36.153.225]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA155198; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:25:52 -0500 Message-ID: <38BB5796.20932FC8@gate.net> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:22:31 -0500 From: -adam- Reply-To: dopey@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dennis barton , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup s760 monitor? References: <200002282344_MC2-9B1A-11CA@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'm using an ixTV tuner card so that the S-760 shows up in a small window on my monitor...saves a lotta space! adam dennis barton wrote: > Hi, > > I have been using a 13" Sony TV that has video in as a monitor for my s760. > > The resolution is very bad and hard on my eyes, so I'd prefer to use > something better. I assume a dedicated monitor will be higher res than TV. > > Is there a old 9" or 10" color monitor from Apple or Commodore or someone > that is COMPOSITE video that would work better? Was the Apple 2c color? > That about the right size.. > > I could use RGB or s-video, but I have a COMPOSITE VIDEO switcher for > multiple samplers, so composite 9" good res color is my first choice. > > Any tips? > > If I must go RGB, what RBG 9" RBG monitors exist? > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 29 01:11:49 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:11:04 -0500 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:10:53 -0500 Received: from l33tfux0r (ip170.vancouver6.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.129.170]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA15307 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:22:10 -0800 Message-Id: <200002290622.WAA15307@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:10:46 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup s760 monitor? In-Reply-To: <200002282344_MC2-9B1A-11CA@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 11:44 PM 2/28/00 -0500, dennis barton wrote: >Is there a old 9" or 10" color monitor from Apple or Commodore or someone >that is COMPOSITE video that would work better? Was the Apple 2c color? >That about the right size.. The Apple IIe monitors were composite, and colour if you had the big bucks at the time. If you get the later models, they're pretty nice looking, as opposed to Roland's own S-series monitors =). I don't know if they came smaller than 12", though. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 29 03:04:29 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2963>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:03:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-2.mdc.net ([209.251.64.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2963>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:03:45 -0500 Received: from ntdesk.vl.com (tmetro.mdc.net [208.196.211.251]) by smtp-2.mdc.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA82934; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:04:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tmetro@vl.com) Message-Id: <200002290804.DAA82934@smtp-2.mdc.net> X-Mailer: *Cinetic Mail Manager V2.1 Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:12:29 -0500 From: tmetro@vl.com (Tom Metro) To: skylab2000@compuserve.com Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca (Roland Sampler users mailing list) Subject: Re: sgroup s760 monitor? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Is there a old 9" or 10" color monitor from Apple or Commodore or > someone that is COMPOSITE video that would work better? > > Was the Apple 2c color? That about the right size.. The 9" monitor used on the //c was a green screen. The color model was 13". > If I must go RGB, what RBG 9" RBG monitors exist? I'd say go for RGB, as the image would be better, but I think you'll have a tough time finding one that's color. The older (last 5 years) 9" monitors (mostly used for things like point-of-sale systems) were monochrome, but even they were analog VGA, which I assume wouldn't work. Modern point-of-sale systems are color, but again, VGA. (If a VGA monitor would do, and it didn't have to be small, you could pick up a used 14" VGA for as little as $15 (http://www.richardsontech.com/)) Your best bet may be to find a color composite monitor used for security systems or video production, if you really must have a <10" size. See if you can find someplace on the net that sells used equipment for either of those two fields. -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic tmetro@vl.com Newton, MA, USA - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 29 04:32:35 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2963>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:31:39 -0500 Received: from mime4.cpr.fr ([193.57.80.76]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:31:28 -0500 Received: from wall (unverified) by mime4.cpr.fr (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:33:12 +0100 Received: from cpr357.cpr.fr ([193.57.82.54]) by wall.cpr.fr; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:26:49 +0000 (MET) Received: by serv-hermes.systeme.cpr.fr with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id <114B6TYS>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:31:09 +0100 Message-ID: <5BF932D2CD05D211B54800805FE60FEB042E5CD8@serv-hermes.systeme.cpr.fr> From: PAPADACCI Alexandre To: "'sgroup@lists.uunet.ca'" Subject: RE: sgroup s760 monitor? Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:31:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF8297.B523D323" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8297.B523D323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I personally use an old Atari SC1425 monitor. It's an RGB monitor and = it works fine (it even has a 8-pin DIN digital RGB input). I think you = could easily find a used one and give it a try... Hope that helps Alex=20 -----Message d'origine----- De: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.com] Date: mardi 29 f=E9vrier 2000 05:45 =C0: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Objet: sgroup s760 monitor? Hi, I have been using a 13" Sony TV that has video in as a monitor for my = s760. The resolution is very bad and hard on my eyes, so I'd prefer to use something better. I assume a dedicated monitor will be higher res than = TV. Is there a old 9" or 10" color monitor from Apple or Commodore or = someone that is COMPOSITE video that would work better? Was the Apple 2c color? That about the right size.. I could use RGB or s-video, but I have a COMPOSITE VIDEO switcher for multiple samplers, so composite 9" good res color is my first choice. Any tips? If I must go RGB, what RBG 9" RBG monitors exist? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8297.B523D323 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: sgroup s760 monitor?


I personally use an old Atari SC1425 monitor. It's an = RGB monitor and it works fine (it even has a 8-pin DIN digital RGB = input). I think you could easily find a used one and give it a = try...

Hope that helps

Alex


-----Message d'origine-----
De: dennis barton [mailto:skylab2000@compuserve.c= om]
Date: mardi 29 f=E9vrier 2000 05:45
=C0: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Objet: sgroup s760 monitor?



Hi,

I have been using a 13" Sony TV that has video = in as a monitor for my s760.

The resolution is very bad and hard on my eyes, so = I'd prefer to use
something better. I assume a dedicated monitor will = be higher res than TV.

Is there a old 9" or 10" color monitor from = Apple or Commodore or someone
that is COMPOSITE video that would work better? Was = the Apple 2c color?
That about the right size..

I could use RGB or s-video, but I have a COMPOSITE = VIDEO switcher for
multiple samplers, so composite 9" good res = color is my first choice.

Any tips?

If I must go RGB, what RBG 9" RBG monitors = exist?

   |_e_/~  Dennis Barton = <db@skylab2000.com>
     )     = skylab2000
   ~\/\    Brainforest = Productions, Los Angeles
      /    = http://skylab2000.com

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For subscription information, send mail to = majordomo@lists.uunet.ca
and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more = information.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF8297.B523D323-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 29 08:15:12 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2963>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:14:33 -0500 Received: from escambia.se.mediaone.net ([24.129.0.53]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2963>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:14:23 -0500 Received: from mgoins (jas119-38.jacksonville.net [24.129.59.38]) by escambia.se.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA29368 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:14:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Micheal Goins" To: "Roland Sampler users mailing list" Subject: RE: sgroup s760 monitor? Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bf82b7$7a6aaa20$263b8118@mgoins.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200002290804.DAA82934@smtp-2.mdc.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk There's no doubt that monitors are going to have better resolution than TV's. I have been using a monochrome monitor that used to belong to a word processor (smith-corona). I had recently run across a nice looking $5 Commodore 1028. I didn't buy it because when I hooked it up, the Red was out. Sometimes when I'm out thrift store/pawn shop shopping, I take the sampler with me to try it out on old monitors. Takes the guessing out. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 29 09:59:53 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:59:20 -0500 Received: from cocopah.gate.net ([216.219.246.49]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:59:10 -0500 Received: from gate.net (tsdfb2-78.gate.net [199.227.116.78]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA40380; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:59:02 -0500 Message-ID: <38BBDDE7.37DAA2E3@gate.net> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:55:35 -0500 From: -adam- Reply-To: dopey@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dennis barton , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup s760 monitor? References: <200002290347_MC2-9B15-27E7@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I think they're going for around $90 still...maybe cheaper. It has coaxial, video in and s-video in. So you can actually get some use outa the TV part as well by switching which input you want to use at the time through the software. I thought it would be annoying to switch back and forth, but I actually prefer it now to having a seperate monitor or TV sitting around just for sampling...and I can concentrate on the same screen instead of refocusing on another. The s-video signal is crystal clear. adam dennis barton wrote: > > I'm using an ixTV tuner card so that the S-760 shows up in a small > window > >on my monitor...saves a lotta space! adam > > I thought about that, but wondered if I'd be annoyed by having to flip back > and forth instead of just lookign at my other monitor.. > > What's that cost? > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 29 14:46:50 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:45:21 -0500 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2963>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:45:08 -0500 Received: from bay.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@bay-f [10.5.102.9]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h2) with ESMTP id OAA10498 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by bay.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id OAA15031 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:45:03 -0500 (EST) Comments: OAA15031 on bay (hop 0), Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:45:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:45:02 -0500 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@bay To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup samplevision In-Reply-To: <35C2753D.43547ECC@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk whoever i told id try to help out supply samplevision 2.0, i accidentaly deleted yr address. please email me privatly. mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 29 15:03:44 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:03:10 -0500 Received: from lipa-mail.lipa.ac.uk ([194.81.169.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-2962>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:03:00 -0500 Received: from emanretuomoc (lipa0000225.lipa.ac.uk [194.81.169.225]) by lipa-mail.lipa.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id F54VD331; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:02:45 -0000 Message-ID: <001201bf82ef$e7b42240$e1a951c2@emanretuomoc> From: "r.parry" To: References: <200002290347_MC2-9B15-27E7@compuserve.com> <38BBDDE7.37DAA2E3@gate.net> Subject: Re: sgroup s760 monitor? Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:02:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk good idea about the tv card I have a hauppauge tv it works with my s770 but my system crashes when I start logicaudio ! oh I only actually got this card to watch tv on cause it saves space! The sampler thing was after thought! I'm quite happy with my ten inch Pillips monitor! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: -adam- To: dennis barton ; Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: Re: sgroup s760 monitor? > I think they're going for around $90 still...maybe cheaper. It has coaxial, > video in and s-video in. So you can actually get some use outa the TV part as > well by switching which input you want to use at the time through the > software. I thought it would be annoying to switch back and forth, but I > actually prefer it now to having a seperate monitor or TV sitting around just > for sampling...and I can concentrate on the same screen instead of refocusing > on another. The s-video signal is crystal clear. > adam > > > dennis barton wrote: > > > > I'm using an ixTV tuner card so that the S-760 shows up in a small > > window > > >on my monitor...saves a lotta space! adam > > > > I thought about that, but wondered if I'd be annoyed by having to flip back > > and forth instead of just lookign at my other monitor.. > > > > What's that cost? > > > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > > ) skylab2000 > > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > / http://skylab2000.com > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.