From owner-sgroup Fri Oct 1 19:49:39 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-18755>; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:41:14 -0400 Received: from rock101.genie.net (genie.com [199.164.140.11]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-18755>; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:41:03 -0400 Received: from rock103.genie.net (rock103.is.ge.com [204.90.131.103]) by rock101.genie.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12477 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:40:57 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rock103.genie.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27875 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:40:56 GMT From: t.dunbar2@genie.com Message-Id: <199910012340.XAA27875@rock103.genie.net> Received: by (genie.)rock103.genie.net ( 2rem/1.44 ) ; Fri, 1 Oct 99 23:40:56 GMT ( from inet# ; Fri, 1 Oct 99 23:40:56 GMT ) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:29:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca X-genie-QK-From: T.DUNBAR2 X-genie-QK-Id: 1616386 X-genie-Gateway-Id: 53854 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: sgroup disc resale Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi - I'm thinking of selling a Roland S-760 sample disc (one of the ones made by Roland) and my question is this: Is there any legal reason I'm not supposed to do this? I don't mean a copy of it of course. And I wouldn't keep any copies of the sounds. It's one I don't really use much. The licensing agreement says you can't make copies for resale, which is logical enough. I would think it would be the same as reselling sound card for a JV-1080 or something. The reason I'm confused is that on a sample disc by Ilio (I have a drum sample disc by them) it says that you can't even sell the original disc even if you destroy all other copies. This seems strange, and I don't think I've seen that agreement elsewhere. Thanks for any light you can shed on this - Tommy - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Oct 2 01:03:45 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-13858>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:03:05 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f195.hotmail.com [209.185.130.105]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-13857>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:02:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 92722 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 1999 05:02:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19991002050246.92721.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.82.45.156 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Oct 1999 22:02:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.82.45.156] From: "Andrew Petrasiunas" To: t.dunbar2@genie.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup disc resale Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:02:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Tommy, To the seller I think there is nothing but opportunity. Because it is an original CD you have purchased I'd say why not sell it if you're not using it - although with that sale may go your right to use those samples you've saved on your removable HD. The real question is - does the new end user have the right to use the samples they have bought from you commercially - i.e. for money. You see while some companies (I don't know which ones - you need to read the fine print on your CDs) license the "owner" of the "original" CD to use the material, some companies give you the CD's and you actually are paying for a "personal", "exclusive", "non-transferable" license for using the samples in your own projects. As an example let's say your $5000.00 CD library gets trashed in some kind of studio disaster. In case one, you've just lost $5000.00, in case two - Spectrasonics for example - you give them a call, they send you another set (I think) - remember you have already own the license, the CD's just store what it is you have bought the rights to. Incidentally, I'm sure anyone asking for a third set of disks because of a "disaster" whould be considered more than suspicious. Some of you might ask - well why don't I buy the "license" for $5000 and then sell the CD's for $4000 and get some money back? The license, for example from Spectrasonics, forbids you from doing this - and by opening the package - you know "Read this before opening" - you have agreed to the license and have entered into a contract with the original company - scary eh? Can you get caught if you use some of these samples? Ahh... they age old question. The proof is in the pudding. If they can identify their sample within your mix, regardless of how much you have distorted it, potentially you are open to legal action. Personally some smaples are so non-descript that it is nearly impossible - unfortuantely we all like the really cool ones that stand out and nearly yell "Hi, I'm a Bob Clearmountain Sample" If your license that comes with your CD (usually) states you are forbidden to sell your CD then you are in breach of this aggreement and open to legal action if you sell - see above re opening the package. ....boy I could go on for ever... Morals of the story 1. Read your little booklets that came with your CD - before and after you open the package. If you don't find any kind of statement - go to town? 2. If you sample and make $100 no one might care, if you sample and make $1000's - they might start looking for you 3. If you sell your original library CDs for $500 over the web - no one might care. If you start selling copies of originals for $1000's they will call on you. Hope this helps. Another never ending story in musicland. Andrew. P.S. in regards to your Roland disks, I looked at mine, I'd sell mine if I didn't use them, and I'll buy yours if you want to sell - let's talk. (This is where lawyers would have some sort indemnity clause). Good luck. >From: t.dunbar2@genie.com >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: sgroup disc resale >Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:29:00 -0400 > >Hi - > >I'm thinking of selling a Roland S-760 sample disc (one of the ones >made by Roland) and my question is this: > >Is there any legal reason I'm not supposed to do this? I don't mean a >copy of it of course. And I wouldn't keep any copies of the sounds. >It's one I don't really use much. The licensing agreement says you >can't make copies for resale, which is logical enough. I would think >it would be the same as reselling sound card for a JV-1080 or >something. > >The reason I'm confused is that on a sample disc by Ilio (I have a >drum sample disc by them) it says that you can't even sell the >original disc even if you destroy all other copies. This seems >strange, and I don't think I've seen that agreement elsewhere. > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this - Tommy > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Oct 2 01:12:25 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-13858>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:12:15 -0400 Received: from mailhost3.lanl.gov ([128.165.3.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-13858>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:12:09 -0400 Received: from cic-mail.lanl.gov (cic-mail.lanl.gov [128.165.3.68]) by mailhost3.lanl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/(cic-5, 2/8/99)) with ESMTP id XAA24865 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:11:59 -0600 Received: from synapse.lanl.gov (synapse.lanl.gov [128.165.24.197]) by cic-mail.lanl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3/(cic-5, 2/9/99)) with ESMTP id XAA27914 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from syzygy.lanl.gov (syzygy.lanl.gov [128.165.24.233]) by synapse.lanl.gov (8.8.8/(cic-5, 10/28/97)) with ESMTP id XAA28669 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:11:56 -0400 From: Ian Holmes To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup disc resale In-Reply-To: <199910012340.XAA27875@rock103.genie.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 t.dunbar2@genie.com wrote: > Hi - > > I'm thinking of selling a Roland S-760 sample disc (one of the ones > made by Roland) and my question is this: > > Is there any legal reason I'm not supposed to do this? I don't mean a > copy of it of course. And I wouldn't keep any copies of the sounds. > It's one I don't really use much. The licensing agreement says you > can't make copies for resale, which is logical enough. I would think > it would be the same as reselling sound card for a JV-1080 or > something. > > The reason I'm confused is that on a sample disc by Ilio (I have a > drum sample disc by them) it says that you can't even sell the > original disc even if you destroy all other copies. This seems > strange, and I don't think I've seen that agreement elsewhere. > > > Thanks for any light you can shed on this - Tommy I would think that sample discs are covered by the same copyright law as software or recorded music or (as you said) ROM cartridges for synths (or even Nintendos!) - which is to say, there's no law preventing you from selling it on, as long as the small print doesn't explicitly forbid it (or grant you an exclusive non-transferable license). But I can't refer you to legal chapter & verse I'm afraid. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Oct 2 05:37:56 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-13858>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 05:37:28 -0400 Received: from mb07.swip.net ([193.12.122.211]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-13858>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 05:37:18 -0400 Received: from ag001500 (d212-151-252-37.swipnet.se [212.151.252.37]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01853 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:37:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001d01bf0cb9$71608fe0$25fc97d4@ag001500> Reply-To: "BoomBoom" From: "BoomBoom" To: References: <199910012340.XAA27875@rock103.genie.net> Subject: Re: sgroup disc resale Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 05:35:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Honestly, why care? roland will *never* come running after you with a big tri-fork or = something, they will never notice if you even made a copy of the cd and = sold it. or sold ten copies. People do this all the time, so why not do = it yourself? and just selling a cd you have bought? do it, there really is no need to = worry whatsoever. (ofcourse if anybody asks, i have never copied a single cd in my whole = life. really. =3D) > Hi - >=20 > I'm thinking of selling a Roland S-760 sample disc (one of the ones > made by Roland) and my question is this: >=20 > Is there any legal reason I'm not supposed to do this? I don't mean a > copy of it of course. And I wouldn't keep any copies of the sounds. > It's one I don't really use much. The licensing agreement says you > can't make copies for resale, which is logical enough. I would think > it would be the same as reselling sound card for a JV-1080 or > something. >=20 > The reason I'm confused is that on a sample disc by Ilio (I have a > drum sample disc by them) it says that you can't even sell the > original disc even if you destroy all other copies. This seems > strange, and I don't think I've seen that agreement elsewhere. >=20 >=20 > Thanks for any light you can shed on this - Tommy >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Oct 2 11:11:38 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-13857>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:11:03 -0400 Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net ([207.158.192.42]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-13857>; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:10:53 -0400 Received: from www.sampleheads.com (207.158.245.187) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.51) with SMTP id 0102566 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sgroup disc resale Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:10:37 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Loop-Detect: 1 Message-Id: <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Honestly, why care? >People do this all the time, so why not do it >yourself? Because it's wrong. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 3 01:12:39 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-7126>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:11:30 -0400 Received: from rock101.genie.net (genie.com [199.164.140.11]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-7126>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:11:19 -0400 Received: from rock103.genie.net (rock103.is.ge.com [204.90.131.103]) by rock101.genie.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25950 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:11:11 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rock103.genie.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09713 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:11:10 GMT From: t.dunbar2@genie.com Message-Id: <199910030511.FAA09713@rock103.genie.net> Received: by (genie.)rock103.genie.net ( 2rem/1.44 ) ; Sun, 3 Oct 99 05:11:10 GMT ( from inet# ; Sun, 3 Oct 99 05:11:10 GMT ) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:54:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca X-genie-QK-From: T.DUNBAR2 X-genie-QK-Id: 7811065 X-genie-Gateway-Id: 55281 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: sgroup reselling discs Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Jeremy - >>Honestly, why care? >>People do this all the time, so why not do it >>yourself? >Because it's wrong. > While I wholeheartedly agree that lending discs, copying them, etc. is wrong, my question referred to selling a disc that I am not using. Wouldn't my right to do this depend on the specific licensing agreement? Assuming of course, that I don't keep any copies on hard disc or anything, which I wouldn't do. As I read Roland's agreement it may be permissible, whereas Olio's specifies that it is not okay. If you think this is wrong, please explain. Thanks - Tommy - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 3 15:19:48 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-7127>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:19:10 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-7126>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:19:00 -0400 Received: from thirteen (ip214.vancouver10.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.152.214]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06455 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:27:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199910031827.LAA06455@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:18:49 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: sgroup FTP server? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, everybody. Forgive me for asking this, since I'm sure a million people already have, but I'm new to the list as of yesterday. Does anyone know when and if the FTP server will be back up? I just picked up an S-330, and I'd really like to be able to back up the sample library on my PC, which the main page implies is possible using software on the Sgroup site. Thanks, Ben Lincoln --- "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bonds of Hell." -- St. Augustine Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 4 05:55:05 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-1662>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:53:02 -0400 Received: from mb07.swip.net ([193.12.122.211]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-1662>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:52:51 -0400 Received: from ag001500 (d212-151-165-186.swipnet.se [212.151.165.186]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17400; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:52:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002001bf0e4d$ee122360$baa597d4@ag001500> Reply-To: "BoomBoom" From: "BoomBoom" To: "Jeremy Roberts" , References: <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> Subject: Re: sgroup disc resale Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:50:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >Honestly, why care? > >People do this all the time, so why not do it=20 > >yourself? >=20 >=20 > Because it's wrong. hmm.. fair enough, i never thought of that =3D) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 4 13:33:46 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-23770>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:32:56 -0400 Received: from smtp.stratos.net ([207.54.80.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-23770>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:32:45 -0400 Received: from stratos.net (pm3-3-42.dial.stratos.net [207.86.132.170]) by smtp.stratos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA56170; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F90F1F.65DE0E0A@stratos.net> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:33:36 -0400 From: JoeCirino X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BoomBoom CC: Jeremy Roberts , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup disc resale References: <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> <002001bf0e4d$ee122360$baa597d4@ag001500> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello My name is Joe and Im new at the S-50 sampler. Can anyone here give me some sites that have patches and such for the S-50. I also need a Manual if you can tell me where I can get one=) Thanks Guys and gals JOe BoomBoom wrote: > > >Honestly, why care? > > >People do this all the time, so why not do it > > >yourself? > > > > > > Because it's wrong. > > hmm.. fair enough, i never thought of that =) > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 4 21:56:59 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-6560>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:56:26 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-6560>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:56:16 -0400 Received: from thirteen (ip208.vancouver10.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.152.208]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09374 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:05:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199910050105.SAA09374@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:56:04 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup disc resale In-Reply-To: <002001bf0e4d$ee122360$baa597d4@ag001500> References: <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 05:50 AM 10/4/99 -0400, BoomBoom wrote: >> Because it's wrong. > > >hmm.. fair enough, i never thought of that =) Funny how few people do >=). --- "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bonds of Hell." -- St. Augustine Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 4 22:31:52 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-6560>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:31:34 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-6560>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:31:24 -0400 Received: from thirteen (ip208.vancouver10.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.152.208]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09422 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:40:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199910050140.SAA09422@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:31:12 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: sgroup PC S-series disk reader In-Reply-To: <199910050105.SAA09374@www.peak.sfu.ca> References: <002001bf0e4d$ee122360$baa597d4@ag001500> <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Okay, so nobody seems to know about the FTP site, so one to plan B: Could anyone possible email me a copy of the S-series disk reading program for PCs, assuming one exists, please? --- "The flashing light machines have something the others don't." --- Paul Zachary, Wired Online, "Vintage Tech's Bells and Whistles" Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 4 23:53:04 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-6560>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:52:29 -0400 Received: from smtp.stratos.net ([207.54.80.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-6560>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:52:17 -0400 Received: from stratos.net ([209.119.11.219]) by smtp.stratos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10579; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37F9A05A.EB0269F6@stratos.net> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:53:14 -0400 From: JoeCirino X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Lincoln CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup PC S-series disk reader References: <002001bf0e4d$ee122360$baa597d4@ag001500> <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> <199910050140.SAA09422@www.peak.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ok Im new, so whats this topic about anyways? Whats this crap about Christan People? I am a Christian, who is saved by Grace, ok, whats this goto do with SAMPLERS? Help me out Im new here=) Ben Lincoln wrote: > Okay, so nobody seems to know about the FTP site, so one to > plan B: > Could anyone possible email me a copy of the S-series disk > reading program for PCs, assuming one exists, please? > --- > "The flashing light machines have something the others don't." > --- Paul Zachary, Wired Online, "Vintage Tech's Bells and Whistles" > Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 > > http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 5 21:59:41 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-18494>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:58:28 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-18494>; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:58:22 -0400 Received: from thirteen (ip229.vancouver10.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.152.229]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA11361 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:07:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199910060107.SAA11361@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:58:04 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup PC S-series disk reader In-Reply-To: <37F9A05A.EB0269F6@stratos.net> References: <002001bf0e4d$ee122360$baa597d4@ag001500> <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> <199910050140.SAA09422@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 02:53 AM 10/5/99 -0400, Joe Cirino wrote: >Ok Im new, so whats this topic about anyways? My original question was "does anyone know when the sgroup FTP server would be back up, because gosh, I'd love to download the alleged program that lets you read s-series disks on a PC." Since nobody answered, and I really needed it (until someone was nice enough to tell me that you can download the program from the Roland web site), I asked if anyone could email it to me. >Whats this crap about Christan >People? >I am a Christian, who is saved by Grace, ok, whats this goto do with SAMPLERS? >Help me out Im new here=) If you're referring to the signature in my original post (The quote from Saint Augustine, which was not in the one you quoted), I think anyone should be able to see the humour in that particular statement, since it's so illogical. I wasn't slamming Christians, I was slamming people who make stupid statements about things they don't understand. --- "The flashing light machines have something the others don't." --- Paul Zachary, Wired Online, "Vintage Tech's Bells and Whistles" Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 00:37:23 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-8992>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:36:54 -0400 Received: from smtp.stratos.net ([207.54.80.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-8992>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:36:48 -0400 Received: from stratos.net (pm3-7-26.dial.stratos.net [207.86.133.154]) by smtp.stratos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA84340; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37FAFC47.988A6F98@stratos.net> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:37:43 -0400 From: JoeCirino X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Lincoln CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup PC S-series disk reader References: <002001bf0e4d$ee122360$baa597d4@ag001500> <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> <199910050140.SAA09422@www.peak.sfu.ca> <199910060107.SAA11361@www.peak.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ok goch ya=) So can anyone here tell me by buying the s-50 for 200 bucks is a good deal, and can anyone here tell me were I can find a user manual if any? Peace Ben Lincoln wrote: > At 02:53 AM 10/5/99 -0400, Joe Cirino wrote: > >Ok Im new, so whats this topic about anyways? > > My original question was "does anyone know when the sgroup FTP server > would be back up, because gosh, I'd love to download the alleged program > that lets you read s-series disks on a PC." Since nobody answered, and I > really needed it (until someone was nice enough to tell me that you can > download the program from the Roland web site), I asked if anyone could > email it to me. > > >Whats this crap about Christan > >People? > >I am a Christian, who is saved by Grace, ok, whats this goto do with > SAMPLERS? > >Help me out Im new here=) > > If you're referring to the signature in my original post (The quote from > Saint > Augustine, which was not in the one you quoted), I think anyone should be > able to see the humour in that particular statement, since it's so > illogical. I > wasn't slamming Christians, I was slamming people who make stupid > statements about things they don't understand. > --- > "The flashing light machines have something the others don't." > --- Paul Zachary, Wired Online, "Vintage Tech's Bells and Whistles" > Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 > > http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 00:47:54 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:47:35 -0400 Received: from mail1.uunet.ca ([209.167.141.3]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:47:28 -0400 Received: from gc2.generalconcepts.com (24.65.54.138.on.wave.home.com [24.65.54.138]) by mail1.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <217003-14872>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:47:21 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc2.generalconcepts.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA23549 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:47:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:47:18 -0400 From: John Sellens Message-Id: <199910060447.AAA23549@gc2.generalconcepts.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup at long last, archive Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Some of you will recall that I changed jobs, houses and cities early this summer, and that was when the sgroup archive went offline. I can't guarantee that it's permanent, but look here http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ and you'll find a link to http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/ which contains a copy of the archive as it stands. As for CD-ROM copies, I hope to be able to tell you how to get the complete archive on CD-ROM in the not too distant future. Cheers John Sellens sgroup mailing list and archive maintainer jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 01:51:23 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:50:49 -0400 Received: from smtp.stratos.net ([207.54.80.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:50:42 -0400 Received: from stratos.net (pm3-19-17.dial.stratos.net [207.87.124.145]) by smtp.stratos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA86218 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37FB0D9E.EA0757CA@stratos.net> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 04:51:43 -0400 From: JoeCirino X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup hello all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk k can anyone tell me if the S-50 utilizes .sys exclusive and what program should I get? and can anyone send me a instrument definition file for cakewalk? thanks guys Joe - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 03:14:27 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:14:01 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:13:55 -0400 Received: from thirteen (ip24.vancouver10.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.152.24]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11655 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:23:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199910060623.XAA11655@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:13:25 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup PC S-series disk reader In-Reply-To: <37FAFC47.988A6F98@stratos.net> References: <002001bf0e4d$ee122360$baa597d4@ag001500> <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> <199910050140.SAA09422@www.peak.sfu.ca> <199910060107.SAA11361@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 03:37 AM 10/6/99 -0400, Joe Cirino wrote: >So can anyone here tell me by buying the s-50 for 200 bucks is a good deal, I'd say $200 for any sampler other than a Mirage or a Casio SK-1 is a pretty good deal, at least using Seattle (City of US$250 CZ-5000s with broken keys) as a guide. --- "The flashing light machines have something the others don't." --- Paul Zachary, Wired Online, "Vintage Tech's Bells and Whistles" Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 05:53:36 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-8992>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:53:10 -0400 Received: from spdmgaae.compuserve.com (ds-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.206.138]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-8992>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:53:07 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id FAA01543 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 05:52:41 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: sgroup differences? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <199910060552_MC2-87D9-4CCB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Are there any differences between s760 and s770 files? Can I just save a s760 patch onto a floppy or zip and load it right into = a s770? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 08:54:51 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:54:00 -0400 Received: from mail02.rapidsite.net ([207.158.192.68]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:53:57 -0400 Received: from www.sampleheads.com (207.158.245.187) by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.52) with SMTP id 0971 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sgroup differences? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:53:38 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Loop-Detect: 1 Message-Id: <1999Oct6.085357edt.193672-8991@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Are there any differences between s760 and s770 files? Files created on a 760 read perfectly into 770 or 750 or SP700 (and vice versa). jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 08:59:37 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:59:05 -0400 Received: from elmls01.ce.mediaone.net ([24.131.128.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-8991>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:58:58 -0400 Received: from [24.131.155.88] (el01-24-131-155-88.ce.mediaone.net [24.131.155.88]) by elmls01.ce.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA00245 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:00:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199910061300.IAA00245@elmls01.ce.mediaone.net> Subject: sgroup SP700 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:59:28 -0400 x-sender: aeon@pop.ce.mediaone.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: aeon To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk anyone know where to buy a used SP700? aeon - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 14:50:08 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-6604>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:49:22 -0400 Received: from mail3.cityweb.de ([193.189.228.21]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-6604>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:49:16 -0400 Received: from 62.52.145.187 (dtm8-m145-187.pool.cww.de [62.52.145.187]) by mail3.cityweb.de (8.9.1/8.9.1/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id UAA21775 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 20:49:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37FB6B24.1788@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:30:45 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cityweb.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de]-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup PC S-series disk reader References: <002001bf0e4d$ee122360$baa597d4@ag001500> <1999Oct2.111053edt.193672-13857@hugin.uunet.ca> <199910050140.SAA09422@www.peak.sfu.ca> <199910060107.SAA11361@www.peak.sfu.ca> <37FAFC47.988A6F98@stratos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk JoeCirino wrote: > and can anyone here tell me were I can find a user manual if any? Did you ask Roland? Usually they give their manuals (even service manuals) away, maybe for a small fee. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 22:31:52 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-25233>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:30:34 -0400 Received: from spamgaae.compuserve.com (as-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-25233>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:30:31 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id WAA28982 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:29:56 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: sgroup SCSI on s770/750/760? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <199910062229_MC2-87F1-77A6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk We have two s770's here and I'd like to hook em up via SCSI to transfer samples. Anyone ever done this? Can I just use a regular DB25 straight thru cable?= What settings need to change? I assume I need to change the SCSI ID on on= e of the samplers from 0 to 1. I don't want to damage them so I will wait for some advice from someone here.. Thanks! |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 22:38:50 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-25805>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:38:42 -0400 Received: from mail02.rapidsite.net ([207.158.192.68]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193679-25805>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:38:32 -0400 Received: from www.sampleheads.com (207.158.245.187) by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.52) with SMTP id 08090 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI on s770/750/760? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:38:16 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Loop-Detect: 1 Message-Id: <1999Oct6.223832edt.193679-25805@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >We have two s770's here and I'd like to hook em up via SCSI to transfer >samples. I would save your data to a hard drive first.... then re-load to the 2nd unit. I'm certain you can make a scsi chain that looks like this: 770#1 I scsi storage device I 770#2 make sure scsi IDs of the 770's and the scsi storage device all are unique. jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 6 22:40:00 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-25805>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:39:50 -0400 Received: from smtp.stratos.net ([207.54.80.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-25805>; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:39:43 -0400 Received: from stratos.net (pm3-11-1.dial.stratos.net [207.86.134.129]) by smtp.stratos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA55151; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37FC3257.E68706CA@stratos.net> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:40:40 -0400 From: JoeCirino X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI on s770/750/760? References: <199910062229_MC2-87F1-77A6@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I see most of the software located in the FTp site is for Knowledgeable people in computing,(dos) is there any windows apps for the s-50 sampler that's out today and if not can I use freeloader from my Qs8 to upload sys in my s-50? Peace dennis barton wrote: > We have two s770's here and I'd like to hook em up via SCSI to transfer > samples. > > Anyone ever done this? Can I just use a regular DB25 straight thru cable? > > What settings need to change? I assume I need to change the SCSI ID on one > of the samplers from 0 to 1. > > I don't want to damage them so I will wait for some advice from someone > here.. > > Thanks! > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 7 07:08:36 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-23336>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:02:29 -0400 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:02:15 -0400 Received: from ratbert.netbert (scratchy64.zip.com.au [61.8.12.192]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA14548 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:45:54 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199910071045.UAA14548@vasquez.zip.com.au> From: "Bernie Maier" To: "Roland Samplers List" Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:57:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Bernie Maier" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: sgroup SoundForge Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 someone mentioned... >> >no problem. connect your pc to the sampler via scsi. if you don't have a >> >scsi card in your pc already, get one, this is definitely the best way to >>> transfer files sampler<>pc. >> >then fire up soundforge, and load the wav. Select tools/sampler (menu >> >item) and set up scsi sds. You're off! Is this true? Does SoundForge definitely support Roland samplers, specifically the S-7x0 series? I looked at Sonic Foundry's web site, and the SoundForge FAQ and it said that they only support SCSI transfers to samplers using SMDI, and nothing in my S-760 manuals mentions anything about these samplers supporting that. In fact, I know the S-760 doesn't even properly identify itself as a SCSI device, and there's a sysex sequence to put it into SCSI remote mode. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "the Church had proof that when someone played a tritone, someone else got sodomized. [...] as we all know, tritones came into favor in the latter part of this century, and as a result, pretty much everyone gets sodomized all the time nowadays. i'm not sure whether or not instruments such as henry's tx81z and the heavenly pure thirds and sixths they produce can stem the tide of the rampant sodomy that plagues our society." - Lx Rudis - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 7 10:09:46 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193690-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:08:20 -0400 Received: from mail02.rapidsite.net ([207.158.192.68]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:08:14 -0400 Received: from www.sampleheads.com (207.158.245.187) by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.52) with SMTP id 017520 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI on s770/750/ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:07:48 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Loop-Detect: 1 Message-Id: <1999Oct7.100814edt.193671-23335@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I have a SCSI ZIP that I use, but it only has one jack for the SCSI cable >on it. How do I make that into a chain? Is there some adaptor? I was at the >computer store today and saw nothing like that.. If your zip only has 1 scsi port (really? most zips have 2 ports), yes, there are Y connectors available (I have a few extra that i'd part with if you have difficulty finding them). I bought mine from APS for about $39/each (mine are (1) 50 pin female - (2) 50 pin female) > >I have a 760 coming that I'd liek to have in that same chain if possible.. Same thing... the 760 definitely only has 1 scsi port... HOWEVER scsi termination will be an issue with the 760, as it has INTERNAL ternitation... you will need to remove the scsi terminator (it looks like a big blue resistor with 12 or so pins that plugs into the circuit board right next to the scsi conector) - you're heading into "scsi voodoo" territory.... >Can I have 3 760/770's and the ZIP? If you handle termination issues correctly, it can work... I've had 4 760's and 2 scsi devices (a cd-rom and a jaz) on a single chain.... things to know: don't try starting all of the devices up at once - we successfully have 5 chains of 2 760s and 1 zip working over at Jekyll & Hyde on Broadway... when the rig powers up, every pair of 760s shares a single zip... the system loads simultaneously - it works! try it! We tested all kinds of configurations, and the 4 760s with a hard drive solution worked, however the scsi voodoo was a pain when subs came in... they'd try to start all 4 units at once... and that sometimes failed.... > >Can I just hook the 2 770's together with a straight thru db25 cable or is >there some kind of crossover cable I'd need? not advised. you should have a storage device between them... save the data for sharing on the storage device, then reload into machine #2. > >I will soon have 3 samplers and a ZIP and it would sure be nice if they >could all talk to each other.. Sure, it's possible if you master the scsi voodoo issues. jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 7 12:21:42 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193694-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:20:51 -0400 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:20:31 -0400 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm [196.3.0.2]) by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA00560 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:11:15 -0400 (GMT+4:00) Received: by minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02457; Thu, 7 Oct 99 11:19:15-050 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:22:03 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI on s770/750/ Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 9:07 AM -0500 7/10/99, Jeremy Roberts wrote: >>I have a SCSI ZIP that I use, but it only has one jack for the SCSI cable >>on it. How do I make that into a chain? Is there some adaptor? I was at the >>computer store today and saw nothing like that.. > > >If your zip only has 1 scsi port (really? most zips have 2 ports), yes, >there are Y connectors available (I have a few extra that i'd part with >if you have difficulty finding them). I bought mine from APS > for about $39/each (mine are (1) 50 pin female >- (2) 50 pin female) > I think all scsi zips have two scsi ports as you say.. just one is labelled scsi and the other labelled zip.. but both ARE scsi ports... richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 7 13:54:51 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:54:18 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f302.hotmail.com [209.185.130.91]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:54:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 22663 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 1999 15:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19991007155340.22662.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.82.45.147 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 08:53:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.82.45.147] From: "Andrew Petrasiunas" To: blurk@zip.com.au, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup SoundForge Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:53:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Bernie - great quote on the tritone. Source? >From: "Bernie Maier" . . . >"the Church had proof that when someone played a tritone, someone else got >sodomized. [...] as we all know, tritones came into favor in the latter >part >of this century, and as a result, pretty much everyone gets sodomized all >the >time nowadays. i'm not sure whether or not instruments such as henry's >tx81z >and the heavenly pure thirds and sixths they produce can stem the tide of >the rampant sodomy that plagues our society." - Lx Rudis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 7 14:47:40 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-23336>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:15 -0400 Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (ds-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.135]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-23336>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:12 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id OAA13685 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:01 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: sgroup SoundForge To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <199910071447_MC2-8813-A34@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Is this true? Does SoundForge definitely support Roland samplers, >specifically the S-7x0 series? I looked at Sonic Foundry's web site, a= nd >the SoundForge FAQ and it said that they only support SCSI transfers to= >samplers using SMDI, and nothing in my S-760 manuals mentions anything about >these samplers supporting that. In fact, I know the S-760 doesn't even >properly identify itself as a SCSI device, and there's a sysex sequence= to >put it into SCSI remote mode. Soundforge works with the s770 for sure, but as far as I know only on SDS= transfers, not SCSI. It works but it is buggy and slow, and the samples dont get put back where the were in the sampler. They always get a new sl= ot which gets annoying. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 7 14:48:11 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-23336>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:39 -0400 Received: from spamgaad.compuserve.com (as-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.217.147]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:29 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spamgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id OAA06693 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:47:02 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: sgroup SCSI on s770/750/ To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <199910071447_MC2-8813-A35@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >I think all scsi zips have two scsi ports as you say.. just one is labelled >scsi and the other labelled zip.. but both ARE scsi ports... > I'm using a ZIP plus drive so it's SCSI or parallel, so I assumed that th= e second port was a paralell pass thru for a printer. I'll need to check th= e manual.. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 7 14:53:33 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:53:21 -0400 Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net ([207.158.192.42]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-23335>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:53:11 -0400 Received: from www.sampleheads.com (207.158.245.187) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.52) with SMTP id 03405427 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI on s770/750/ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:53:00 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Loop-Detect: 1 Message-Id: <1999Oct7.145311edt.193671-23335@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Seems to me that if I hook two samplers and a ZIP together, both samplers >will want to boot from whatever drive is SCSI 0, so maybe this isnt exactly >the best way to do things.. > >I really want each machine to boot from thier own drive, but have access to >other machine drives. Like a network. > >Maybe SCSi doesnt really do this.. yes it does. who says it has to boot from ID0? Who says the internal drive needs to be ID0? GO to scsi setup page, and you can set the boot drive to any ID. you can set the default drive to any ID. You can put a jumper on your internal drives to set them to any ID. You will also set each 770 or 760's SCSI ID to a unique ID. jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 7 23:05:25 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-5346>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:03:49 -0400 Received: from smtp.stratos.net ([207.54.80.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-5346>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:03:45 -0400 Received: from stratos.net (pm3-4-24.dial.stratos.net [207.86.132.216]) by smtp.stratos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24119 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37FD897E.9A031D5C@stratos.net> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:04:46 -0400 From: JoeCirino X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup What does ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have a question I anyone can help i would appreciate it. Ok I have a S-50 sampler and I went to the FTp site, I went to samples for the s-50 , ok what does the RSB-501, 502,503 ect.... what does this number Mean? I want to look for samples for the sampler Is that some kind of OS for that particular Disk? help me if you can Please! Peace - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Oct 8 02:38:30 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-6604>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:38:02 -0400 Received: from smtp.stratos.net ([207.54.80.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-6604>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:37:55 -0400 Received: from stratos.net (pm3-19-2.dial.stratos.net [207.87.124.130]) by smtp.stratos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29935 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37FDBBB0.91C0149B@stratos.net> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:38:56 -0400 From: JoeCirino X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup MUST READ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk OK GUYS IM NOT YELLING BUT IM EXCITED OK HERES THE DEAL I WAS SUFFING THE NE AND CAME ACROSS THIS PROGRAM YOU AHVE GOT TO CHECJ IT OUT ITS A EDITOR THAT READS ROLAND SAMPLES ITS AN EDITOR WITH MANNY EFECTS ITS IN WINDOWS AND DOS http://www.sylaba.poznan.pl/~neurod/sampled/ PEACE - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Oct 8 12:33:31 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-6604>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:32:42 -0400 Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net ([207.158.192.42]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-6605>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:32:29 -0400 Received: from www.sampleheads.com (207.158.245.187) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.52) with SMTP id 04506049 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI on s770/750/ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:32:12 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Loop-Detect: 1 Message-Id: <1999Oct8.123229edt.193671-6605@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >But if 770 #1's ID is 1, and 770 #2's id is 2, then if they are hooked >together, wont they both want to boot off the lowest numbered drive, which >mean they'll both boot from the HD in 770 #1? > >I'd liek them each to boot from thier own drives, but have access to the >"network". You can select the boot drive for each sampler. Go to the scsi page. jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Oct 8 20:12:15 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-25717>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:11:35 -0400 Received: from netgate.co.nz ([202.27.201.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-25717>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:11:29 -0400 Received: from [202.27.201.30] (30.netgate.co.nz [202.27.201.30]) by netgate.co.nz (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29921; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:10:05 +1300 X-Sender: craigus@netgate.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37FD897E.9A031D5C@stratos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:10:47 -0400 To: JoeCirino From: Craig Harris Subject: Re: sgroup What does ? Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk somewhere on the site should be a set of readmes or something that list each disk with the patch names as well. The filename you need to locate is "rsblst.txt ". If you can't find it, I can email the doc to to you. >I have a question I anyone can help i would appreciate it. Ok I have a >S-50 sampler and I went to the FTp site, I went to samples for the s-50 >, ok what does the RSB-501, 502,503 ect.... what does this number Mean? >I want to look for samples for the sampler Is that some kind of OS for >that particular Disk? - Windows 95: n. 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Oct 8 20:30:50 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-29552>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:30:27 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-29552>; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:30:26 -0400 Received: from thirteen (ip122.vancouver10.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.152.122]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18523 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:39:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199910082339.QAA18523@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:30:11 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup MUST READ In-Reply-To: <37FDBBB0.91C0149B@stratos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk It definitely looks cool. Too bad it locks up and corrupts my S-330 disks when I try to read or write from them =). When the author is back I guess I'll have to bug him and see if that's a common problem. I know that I can only use the sdisk utility in DOS mode or it always thinks my floppies are 1.44MB, so maybe it's a related issue. --- "The flashing light machines have something the others don't." --- Paul Zachary, Wired Online, "Vintage Tech's Bells and Whistles" Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 10 07:54:09 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-29818>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:53:06 -0400 Received: from mail3.cityweb.de ([193.189.228.21]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-29819>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:52:57 -0400 Received: from 62.52.146.245 (dtm8-m146-245.pool.cww.de [62.52.146.245]) by mail3.cityweb.de (8.9.1/8.9.1/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id NAA14002 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:52:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38006CD7.4BDA@cityweb.de> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 06:39:22 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cityweb.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de]-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup SoundForge References: <199910071447_MC2-8813-A34@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk dennis barton wrote: > Soundforge works with the s770 for sure, but as far as I know only on SDS > transfers, not SCSI. It works but it is buggy and slow, and the samples > dont get put back where the were in the sampler. They always get a new slot > which gets annoying. Don't know Soundforge, but this is probably due to the S-760 itself. When the S-760 receives a MIDI SDS dump the sample is always put into the first free slot. Much the same when a sample is load from floppy or HD. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 10 07:54:12 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-29819>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:53:07 -0400 Received: from mail3.cityweb.de ([193.189.228.21]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-29818>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:52:56 -0400 Received: from 62.52.146.245 (dtm8-m146-245.pool.cww.de [62.52.146.245]) by mail3.cityweb.de (8.9.1/8.9.1/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id NAA13993 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:52:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38006B36.5D2D@cityweb.de> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 06:32:25 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cityweb.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de]-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup MUST READ References: <199910082339.QAA18523@www.peak.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ben Lincoln wrote: > > It definitely looks cool. Too bad it locks up and corrupts my S-330 disks > when I try to read or write from them =). When the author is back I guess > I'll have to bug him and see if that's a common problem. I know that I > can only use the sdisk utility in DOS mode or it always thinks my floppies > are 1.44MB, so maybe it's a related issue. Do you use HD (1.44MB) or DD (720kB) floppies? While HD floppies are fine for the S-330 (at least for mine), maybe the detection hole has to be covered by some adhesive tape so the computer thinks they are DD. The detection hole is not the overwrite protection hole, it is the other one. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 10 16:10:02 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-29818>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:09:23 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-29818>; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:09:08 -0400 Received: from thirteen (ip221.vancouver5.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.128.221]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21005 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:18:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199910101918.MAA21005@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:08:49 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup MUST READ In-Reply-To: <38006B36.5D2D@cityweb.de> References: <199910082339.QAA18523@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 06:32 AM 10/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >Do you use HD (1.44MB) or DD (720kB) floppies? While HD floppies are >fine for the S-330 (at least for mine), maybe the detection hole has to >be covered by some adhesive tape so the computer thinks they are DD. The >detection hole is not the overwrite protection hole, it is the other >one. Right. I was actually using a set of genuine DD floppies that came with my S-330. For some reason, they show up as HD in sdisk when I run it in Windows 95. I'm glad to know that HD floppies will work in an S-330, though. I don't even know where I could buy new DD disks. --- "The flashing light machines have something the others don't." --- Paul Zachary, Wired Online, "Vintage Tech's Bells and Whistles" Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 12 20:04:22 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193689-4453>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:00:30 -0400 Received: from spdmgaac.compuserve.com (ds-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.206.136]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-4453>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:00:24 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id UAA02346 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:59:56 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: sgroup s760 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <199910122000_MC2-88C1-5C68@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On an s760, can you resave a volume's/patche's *parameter* file only, wihout resaving all the samples contained in it? This isn't possible on the 750/770, but was possible on the 330/550. A st= ep backwards there.. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 12 22:01:10 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193693-26728>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:58:04 -0400 Received: from wichita.gate.net ([198.206.134.42]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-26728>; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:57:54 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tsdfb5-101.gate.net [199.227.90.101]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA380240; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:58:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3803E6C0.F86C0826@gate.net> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:56:17 -0400 From: -adam- Reply-To: dopey@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com>, "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup s760 References: <199910122000_MC2-88C1-5C68@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk yes. dennis barton wrote: > On an s760, can you resave a volume's/patche's *parameter* file only, > wihout resaving all the samples contained in it? > > This isn't possible on the 750/770, but was possible on the 330/550. A step > backwards there.. > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 13 00:13:09 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193696-7129>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:09:39 -0400 Received: from mail02.rapidsite.net ([207.158.192.68]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-7129>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:09:36 -0400 Received: from www.sampleheads.com (207.158.245.187) by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.52) with SMTP id 019874 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sgroup s760 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:08:59 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Loop-Detect: 1 Message-Id: <1999Oct13.000936edt.193671-7129@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >On an s760, can you resave a volume's/patche's *parameter* file only, >wihout resaving all the samples contained in it? yes... just select ONLY the patches or performances and select "overwrite" jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Oct 16 02:28:57 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-17450>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:27:44 -0400 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com ([208.25.68.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-17450>; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:27:29 -0400 Received: from [208.25.89.114] (fence13.ppp.lmi.net [208.25.89.114]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA08255 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: froggy@pop.lmi.net Message-Id: Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:31:31 -0400 To: From: Chris Kirkham Subject: sgroup the new sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I dont want to be the spreader of rumors, but I have put so much effort into learning the S-760 OS and making my own samples in the S7X0 format that I just had to do something: I talked to a general sales advice person at Roland Los Angeles a few days ago about the lack of any new samplers, and how I was thinking about buying a DJ70mkII because I need more RAM and polyphony. He cautioned me to wait until the winter NAMM show before I buy, as there may be something new. He wouldnt say any more. So I emailed Jim Norman, someone in charge of digital products in Roland LA and gently asked him what he would do in my situation. Should I get a DJ70mkII, or wait for some supposed new sampler? Here is what he said: "Wait till Feb to decide if you can." Chris Kirkham - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 17 17:35:37 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-4715>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:34:24 -0400 Received: from icarus.idirect.com ([207.136.80.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-4715>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:34:20 -0400 Received: from terminus.idirect.com ([207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11cxwX-0002FG-00; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:34:17 -0400 Received: from [209.161.238.3] (ts3-20t-3.idirect.com [209.161.238.3]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27651; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910172133.RAA27651@terminus.idirect.com> Subject: sgroup S-330 HD/DD disks (was "MUST READ") Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:33:54 -0400 x-sender: nebula@postoffice.idirect.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Steve Cowan To: "Ben Lincoln" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On 10.10.1999 4:08 PM, Ben Lincoln ( angelform@iname.com ) wrote: > I'm glad to know that HD floppies will work in an S-330, though. I don't >even know where I could buy new DD disks. Don't be too sure. My S-330 absolutely HATES HD disks. You can go to almost any office supply store to pick up DD disks for roughly the same price as HD (maybe a 10-pack costs about $1 or $2 more). ========== Steve Cowan nebula@idirect.com check out infindebula's live, improvised techno/ambient/down-tempo at http://www.nubreed.com/infindebula - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 17 17:35:56 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193671-4716>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:34:25 -0400 Received: from icarus.idirect.com ([207.136.80.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-4715>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:34:21 -0400 Received: from terminus.idirect.com ([207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11cxwa-0002FS-00 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:34:20 -0400 Received: from [209.161.238.3] (ts3-20t-3.idirect.com [209.161.238.3]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27723 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910172134.RAA27723@terminus.idirect.com> Subject: sgroup repost: S-330/550 monitor cable schematic HELP!!?? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:34:13 -0400 x-sender: nebula@postoffice.idirect.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Steve Cowan To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Date originally posted: 06.26 3:27 PM (sorry but it's been over 3 months with no response so I thought I'd throw the question out again) Some time ago somebody posted a schematic for connecting an S-330/S-550 to a CGA monitor. I saved it, and I've been looking desperately for it and now I can't find it. The ftp site is down so I was unable to see if the file is available for download. If possible could the kind soul who posted it in the first place re-post it? I tried searching the net and haven't found anything. Thanks! - Steve Cowan nebula@idirect.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- ========== Steve Cowan nebula@idirect.com check out infindebula's live, improvised techno/ambient/down-tempo at http://www.nubreed.com/infindebula - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 17 20:13:57 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-4715>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:13:36 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-4715>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:13:30 -0400 Received: from thirteen (ip246.vancouver10.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.152.246]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01784 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:23:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199910172323.QAA01784@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:13:15 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup repost: S-330/550 monitor cable schematic HELP!!?? In-Reply-To: <199910172134.RAA27723@terminus.idirect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 05:34 PM 10/17/99 -0400, Steve Cowan wrote: >Some time ago somebody posted a schematic for connecting an S-330/S-550 >to a CGA monitor. I saved it, and I've been looking desperately for it >and now I can't find it. The ftp site is down so I was unable to see if >the file is available for download. Sorry for the formatting weirdness. It's still _pretty_ legible. [ From the "Selected" archive file - http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/archives/Selected.txt] >From sgroup-owner@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Wed Sep 2 14:30:07 1992 Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA18887 (5.54/UK-2.1-910806); Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:30:05 EDT Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by gould.encore.com with SMTP id AA02321 (5.64+/UK-2.1-920501); Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:40:20 -0400 Received: from vms2.ecs.rpi.edu ([128.113.5.14]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31357>; Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:38:14 -0400 Received: by vms.ecs.rpi.edu (MX V3.1C) id 1652; Wed, 02 Sep 1992 14:38:55 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:38:49 -0400From: Graham Doig To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <00960055.DD542DA0.1652@vms.ecs.rpi.edu> Subject: Re: S-550 & RGB MonitorsStatus: RO > > My question is, does any one know enough about the IIe or GS to tell me if > > this monitor would be compatible with my S-550. Seems to me that this would > > be a nice cheap RGB replacement for my little B&W TV I am now using as a > > monitor.> > I know enough about the IIgs, but I don't know enough about the S-550 to answer > this question. Tell me what you need from the RGB monitor, and I can tell you > if it'll do it.> I took the time to figure this out about a month ago. It turns out that an IBM CGA monitor will work if you invert the horizontal and vertical sync signals. I did this with a simple 7400-series TTL inverter chip. I put it in a small box which gets connected as shown below: +-------+ +----------+ +---------+ | | | | | | | S-550 |--------->| inverter |--------->| CGA | | | | box | | monitor | +-------+ +----------+ +---------+ Power for the inverter comes from one of the pins on the S-550 digital video output. From memory, I believe the pinout diagrams for the video output in the S-550 manual are correct; I think they show the 8-pin DIN socket on the sample with positive sync signals. The pinout shown for the type of connector on the CGA monitor has negative sync signals, so I tried the inversion. People have told me that some Atari monitor works without an inverter, so I would imagine that some monitors accept non-inverted sync signals (or perhaps they can use either polarity). The Apple monitor may be that type. Anyway, this worked for me. --- "The flashing light machines have something the others don't." --- Paul Zachary, Wired Online, "Vintage Tech's Bells and Whistles" Ben Lincoln | angelform@iname.com | ICQ #14102515 http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 17 23:41:48 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-4715>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:38:53 -0400 Received: from mail2.uunet.ca ([142.77.1.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-4715>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:38:50 -0400 Received: from gc2.generalconcepts.com (24.65.54.138.on.wave.home.com [24.65.54.138]) by mail2.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <51190-13789>; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:38:43 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc2.generalconcepts.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA01233; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:38:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:38:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199910180338.XAA01233@gc2.generalconcepts.com> To: nebula@idirect.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: John Sellens Subject: Re: sgroup repost: S-330/550 monitor cable schematic HELP!!?? Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Have a look in http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/archives/1997/9711.txt There are a bunch of articles about monitors there, including a message from Doug Ramsay quoting Graham Doig, re-posted by Otto Fajen. I've included one part of it below: I took the time to figure this out about a month ago. It turns out that an IBM CGA monitor will work if you invert the horizontal and vertical sync signals. I did this with a simple 7400-series TTL inverter chip. I put it in a small box which gets connected as shown below: +-------+ +----------+ +---------+ | | | | | | | S-550 |--------->| inverter |--------->| CGA | | | | box | | monitor | +-------+ +----------+ +---------+ Power for the inverter comes from one of the pins on the S-550 digital video output. From memory, I believe the pinout diagrams for the video output in the S-550 manual are correct; I think they show the 8-pin DIN socket on the sample with positive sync signals. The pinout shown for the type of connector on the CGA monitor has negative sync signals, so I tried the inversion. People have told me that some Atari monitor works without an inverter, so I would imagine that some monitors accept non-inverted sync signals (or perhaps they can use either polarity). The Apple monitor may be that type. Anyway, this worked for me. Graham Doig (graham@vms.ecs.rpi.edu) Sr. Systems Programmer RPI ECS, Troy, NY 12180 John sgroup archivist jsellens@generalconcepts.com | From owner-sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca Sun Oct 17 17:36:45 1999 | Subject: sgroup repost: S-330/550 monitor cable schematic HELP!!?? | Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:34:13 -0400 | From: Steve Cowan | To: | | Date originally posted: 06.26 3:27 PM | | (sorry but it's been over 3 months with no response so I thought I'd | throw the question out again) | | | Some time ago somebody posted a schematic for connecting an S-330/S-550 | to a CGA monitor. I saved it, and I've been looking desperately for it | and now I can't find it. The ftp site is down so I was unable to see if | the file is available for download. | | If possible could the kind soul who posted it in the first place re-post | it? I tried searching the net and haven't found anything. | | Thanks! | | - Steve Cowan | nebula@idirect.com | | - | Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca | For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca | and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. | | ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- | | ========== | Steve Cowan nebula@idirect.com | | check out infindebula's live, improvised techno/ambient/down-tempo at | http://www.nubreed.com/infindebula - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 18 15:18:03 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-21064>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:17:24 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.6]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-21064>; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:17:14 -0400 Received: from banyan.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@banyan-f [128.227.157.15]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/h1) with ESMTP id PAA31739; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by banyan.grove.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/c1) with ESMTP id PAA21901; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Comments: PAA21901 on banyan (hop 0), Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 15:17:03 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@banyan To: Steve Cowan cc: Ben Lincoln , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S-330 HD/DD disks (was "MUST READ") In-Reply-To: <199910172133.RAA27651@terminus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Don't be too sure. My S-330 absolutely HATES HD disks. You can go to mine likes um just fine... m - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 26 05:37:12 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-25165>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:35:39 -0400 Received: from inet-vrs-02.microsoft.com (mail2.microsoft.com [131.107.3.124]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-25165>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:35:29 -0400 Received: from 157.54.9.104 by inet-vrs-02.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:35:25 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Received: by INET-IMC-02 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:35:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: Peter Fitzpatrick To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup RC-100 for sale Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:34:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk RC-100 for sale on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=188557866 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 28 01:47:02 1999 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-20241>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:32:17 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-20242>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:32:07 -0400 Received: from thirteen (ip135.vancouver6.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.129.135]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23295 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:42:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199910280442.VAA23295@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:31:53 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: sgroup Roland Font? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, everybody. Here's a vaguely off-topic question: Does anyone know what font(s) it is/are that Roland/Boss use for their=20 product logos? You know, the "80s futuristic" one where, for example,=20 the P is missing the line between the top and the middle on the left? Wow.= =20 That was a poor description. Um, if you have a recent instrument catalog,=20 look at the logo for the DR-202, SP-808, or probably any of that alleged=20 "groove" gear. Anyhow, I'd really appreciate if anyone knows, or better yet, can tell=20 me where I can download it =3D). --- "I was pretty sure Reagan never unmade the Ring Of Power by throwing it into the cracks of Mount Doom. Then it turned out Amazon f--ked up and sent me the wrong book." --- The Onion, "The New Reagan Biography" Ben Lincoln=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 angelform@iname.com=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ICQ #14102515 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= http://www.peak.sfu.ca/~angelform/=20 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.