From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 02:55:40 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193776-10863>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:50:21 -0400 Received: from angel.uunet.ca ([205.150.160.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193676-10863>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:50:11 -0400 Received: from pollux.uunet.ca ([209.47.143.131]) by angel.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <17430-18735>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:49:56 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by pollux.uunet.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA05871 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:49:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:49:53 -0400 From: John Sellens Message-Id: <199809090649.CAA05871@pollux.uunet.ca> To: sgroup Subject: hello there sgroup! Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Gosh, the list has been quiet lately. Anyone lusting for a different, non-Roland Sampler? Anyone got samples to share? Anyone have a mouse that no longer seems to work? And don't forget the archive at ftp://jsellens0.uunet.ca/pub/sgroup Any questions? :-) John sgroup list maintainer - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 04:21:37 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-10863>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 04:18:26 -0400 Received: from htkws1.htk.fi ([195.156.245.11]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193676-10863>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 04:18:20 -0400 Received: from pc1961.public.htk.fi [194.111.182.61] by htkws1.htk.fi (AltaVista Mail V2.0o/2.0o BL25o listener) id 0000_005e_35f6_3b21_b1d2; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:24:01 +0300 Subject: Re: hello there sgroup Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:31:40 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: provoice To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <1998Sep9.041820edt.193676-10863@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk What we need right now would be a gorgeous, new sampler from Roland. SV-7700, anyone?? Illusion Rake - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 05:03:40 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193707-10864>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 04:57:43 -0400 Received: from uu2.pn.com ([204.96.36.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193676-10864>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 04:57:33 -0400 Received: from vl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uu2.pn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with UUCP id EAA13939 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 04:46:30 -0400 Received: by vl.com (Mini-Host for Windows v1.51; WinUUCP) with UUCP; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 04:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1998Sep9.044254@vl.com> X-Mailer: *Cinetic Mail Manager V2.1 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 04:42:54 -0400 Reply-To: tmetro@vl.com From: tmetro@vl.com (Tom Metro) To: sgroup (Roland Sampler users mailing list) Subject: sgroup Re: lusting for a different sampler Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk John Sellens writes: > Anyone lusting for a different, non-Roland Sampler? Music is admittedly a hobby and not a career, but I can't foresee a situation where I would consider the purchase of another stand alone sampler. It seems that computer based instruments are going to dominate the hobbyist market. Given the bang for the buck (like a 64-voice sound module (card) for $25), I think the stand alone equipment market is going to be limited to pros, people who play live, and those that choose to avoid computers. Given that, how well do you think the current state of the art PC instruments compare to what's available in stand alone equipment - specifically in the area of sampling? What are your favorites for PC instruments? Have you been pleasantly surprised by the quality or capability of any dirt cheap PC hardware? (When I say "PC" I'm referring to the original generic definition, which includes all personal computers, including Macs. Though my personal interest lies with the "IBM PC clone" variety.) Most of what I see in the cheap hardware (based on product specs. - not first hand experience) is that it is focused on wave table synthesis and not on manipulation of long samples in the same way that's possible with stand alone samplers. You can download samples to these cards, but of fairly limited length. And the ways in which you can manipulate the samples is limited. Then there's the issue of playability. If you happen to be skilled at playing a keyboard, how well will the PC instrument respond to incoming MIDI? Will the delays be unacceptable? Will there be enough control? Clearly, cheap PC sound hardware isn't designed with the expectation that the PC will be driven by an external MIDI source and expected to perform like an instrument, rather than just record MIDI data in a sequencer. I suspect these limitations could be solved using purely software, once the main CPUs in PCs gain enough speed and DSP capabilities, but for now we really need a solution in hardware on the sound card. Given this, I suspect PC instruments aren't quite there yet. I realize there are more specialized PC based instruments, like the products available from Digidesign (Avid), but last I looked, they weren't in the high volume, sub-$200 price range, where all the activity is happening right now. Though such instruments may still offer a big cost savings (excluding the PC cost) over stand alone samplers. -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic tmetro@vl.com Newton, MA, USA - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 08:02:42 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-10864>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:01:02 -0400 Received: from apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com ([163.185.72.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193676-10864>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:00:56 -0400 Received: by apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:00:34 -0500 Message-ID: <8AF646AA0CCCD111AD140060089047DF08B783@apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com> From: "Grubbs, Dan" To: sgroup Subject: sgroup The SDISK program Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:00:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hello, I have tried using the SDISK program to try to read and create sample diskettes for my W-30 on my PC. I can't seem to get it to work right. It always says that my disk has bad sectors. Does my floppy drive have to be a Low Density type? I put my actual working low density sampler floppies in my PC (high density) floppy drive and try to read them. I also tried to write to a floppy from a file I downloaded. Any hints? Thanks, Dan - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 08:38:15 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193776-10864>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:36:21 -0400 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net ([207.115.59.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193676-10864>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:36:15 -0400 Received: from hp-customer (DTRTB106-02.splitrock.net [209.156.116.186]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29808 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bddbed$cbe73020$ba749cd1@hp-customer> From: "LANDERPIANO" To: Subject: sgroup Re: Sdisk program Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:31:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I've tried everything to get the sdisk program to write onto S50 formatted disks. No luck. I've followed the instructions to the t. Any suggestions? bml landerpiano@prodigy.net - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 09:05:43 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193777-10863>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:03:53 -0400 Received: from mars.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.8.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193676-10863>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:03:50 -0400 Received: from trick.kapsch.co.at (148.198.9.29) by venus.kapsch.co.at (MX V5.0) with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:03:25 +0200 Received: by trick.kapsch.co.at with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:03:25 +0200 Message-ID: <13673333E22DD211B57F0000F8CB39FF1B623C@trick.kapsch.co.at> From: Ullrich@kapsch.net To: LANDERPIANO@prodigy.net CC: sgroup Subject: AW: sgroup Re: Sdisk program Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:03:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk For me the program only works when I use PC formatted disks. Sampler formatted disks don't work. If I want to make an image file of a sampler formatted disk I have to load the disk into the sampler and then have to write to a PC formatted disk and then my PC can read it! You have to use the command: FORMAT a: /F:720 to format 720kB disks on 1.44MB drives. I hope that also works for you! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: http://come.to/ullrich or the full link http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3586/ Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician .oooO KAPSCH AG / SGB2 Vienna / Austria ( ) Oooo. Traffic Control and Transmission Technology ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 10:11:39 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193782-4490>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:08:26 -0400 Received: from acs6.bu.edu ([128.197.152.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-4490>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:08:20 -0400 Received: from bu.edu (COMM595-0203-059.BU.EDU [168.122.48.59]) by acs6.bu.edu (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA157702; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:08:04 -0400 Message-ID: <35F68CB2.8853B269@bu.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:12:02 -0400 From: Benjamin Ang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: provoice CC: sgroup Subject: Re: hello there sgroup References: <1998Sep9.041820edt.193676-10863@hugin.uunet.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk yes, a new sampler with *sliders* like the JD-800 or JV-8000, so we can tweak resonance and LFO and ENVs on the *samples* while playing live! Benjamin Ang provoice wrote: > > What we need right now would be a gorgeous, new sampler from Roland. > SV-7700, anyone?? > > Illusion Rake > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 11:34:35 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-11028>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:30:21 -0400 Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu ([198.209.253.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193708-11028>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:30:11 -0400 Received: from ofajen ([168.166.54.10]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA26184 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:29:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980909102957.007bddf0@pop.coin.missouri.edu> X-Sender: ofajen@pop.coin.missouri.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:29:57 -0400 To: sgroup From: Otto Fajen Subject: sgroup Re: sliders, new samplers, etc. In-Reply-To: <35F68CB2.8853B269@bu.edu> References: <1998Sep9.041820edt.193676-10863@hugin.uunet.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk At 10:12 AM 9/9/1998 -0400, Benjamin Ang wrote: >yes, a new sampler with *sliders* like the JD-800 or JV-8000, >so we can tweak resonance and LFO and ENVs on the *samples* while >playing live! here's an option that's ready now... you could check out the various midi fader units that are available: peavey pc1600x kenton control freak (formerly pro fade) lexicon mrc etc. several come with lots of presets to control key parameters of a large number of synths and can be easily programmed to control others. that's generally a cheaper option than a new synth, plus they have other uses: i'm actually more interested in getting one for controlling mix automation. as far as new samplers... no thanks. i'll stick with the s-550, since i know how to use it to make new samples and have plenty of other samples to work with. i'm not interested right now in learning to use a new box (says the curmudgeon). otto - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 11:56:20 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193795-4490>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:53:30 -0400 Received: from hil-img-2.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.132]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11028>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:53:25 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) id LAA25250 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:50:59 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: hello there sgroup! To: sgroup Message-ID: <199809091153_MC2-58D5-49BF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > >Anyone have a mouse that no longer seems to work? I have a mouse that doesn't seem to work very well.. Any idea how to make em work better? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 18:22:05 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193810-691>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:20:49 -0400 Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193716-691>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:20:42 -0400 Received: from [194.222.88.198] (helo=grifgraf.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGsbP-0007Jw-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:20:39 +0000 Message-ID: <35F704FB.6468D10C@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:45:26 -0400 From: pete Reply-To: pete@grifgraf.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Re: lusting for a different sampler References: <1998Sep9.044254@vl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Tom Metro wrote: > > Given that, how well do you think the current state of the art PC > instruments compare to what's available in stand alone equipment - > specifically in the area of sampling? As I may well have moaned before, I had a Samplecell card before I bought the S750, and I couldn't sell it fast enough! I was seduced by its sexy on-screen mixer and the fact that it interfaced directly with Cubase. But because it used it's own bank of memory, editing was a kludgy nightmare of transferring sounds into the Mac's memory for editing with some well-known but rudimentary software (whose name mercifully escapes me). Anyway, the point about the whole sample-soundcard exercise I hoped would be that you could use your computer's memory as sample memory. But no. The S750 I found to be streets ahead of Samplecell in terms of software and hardware and also such priceless benefits as HAVING A MIDI ACTIVITY LED, so if there's no sound you can eliminate half of the suspect devices immediately. But, sort of beyond this thread, what would you want in your new dream super-sampler? Come to a rub, I can't think of anything much... more memory, more polyphony, more disc space, more compatibility, more knobs, yadda yadda yadda... it's not really ground-breaking stuff, is it? I mean... whatever happened to RESAMPLING? That was going to be the Next Big Thing. Too difficult for you technical guys, huh? Thought so! Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 18:22:07 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193811-21981>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:20:48 -0400 Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193810-691>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:20:42 -0400 Received: from [194.222.88.198] (helo=grifgraf.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGsbR-0007K4-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:20:41 +0000 Message-ID: <35F7058E.ACE79657@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:47:53 -0400 From: pete Reply-To: pete@grifgraf.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup I knew that! References: <199809091153_MC2-58D5-49BF@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Quick warning... if you buy one of these spiffy new and outrageously quick G3 Macs, you will no longer be able to use the internal CD-ROM to access your Roland CDs. Well of course you won't - the CD-ROM in a G3 is an IDE device. Now I wish I'd thought of that before I sold my Quadra... Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 22:38:21 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193826-6427>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:37:43 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.82.251.156]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193825-6427>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:37:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 253 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1998 02:37:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19980910023738.252.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.26.233.10 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:37:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.26.233.10] From: "Casey jones" To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Roland Rnt much help! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:37:37 -0400 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi,, I have steinbergs recycle program and i am running this on my PC which has the Win 95 os a 233mhz AMD chip with an Intel TX-I motherboard. I wish to use this software with my S-760 the only problem is I am not sure on which scsi card to use. I have been told that the the Adaptec 2940 is recommended then after reading the manual that comes with the recycle program.They suggest that if I wish to purchase a ('least expensive card') to get the 1505. I spoke to a technician at the Roland Corporation company here in Australia and he told me he new nothing about the recycle program which is unsuall because the programmers of recycle designed the software to run coincide with the 760.And he said that he new nothing at all about which scsi card to use because the policy with roland japan is that they don't give out any information on third party development vendors in case something goes wrong with there product.So that nothing comes back on them. So regardless of this crap service!I am still impressed with my sampler and will remain an advent user of the 760. "Could anyone out there help me please on what card to get" Thankyou.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 23:19:17 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193824-6427>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:18:51 -0400 Received: from juliet.its.uwo.ca ([129.100.2.61]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-6427>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:18:45 -0400 Received: from julian.uwo.ca by juliet.its.uwo.ca with ESMTP id XAA06417; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F8979E.143BB4FD@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:23:10 -0400 From: Andrew Petrasiunas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup dreamsampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Ahem. My theory...I think where Roland is still behind (love the sound, learned the architecture, love my mouse and monitor) is polyphony!!!!!!! Come on, 64 meg for $120.00 Canadian.(that's right Canadian). We should have 128 voice samplers with 256 meg of ram (not one's that cost a small fortune either i.e. Emu 64 et all). Don't even change the architecture, much, just build a box with four 760's in it (still a lot of air in the box as it is). - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 9 23:43:33 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193833-17148>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:43:04 -0400 Received: from l2.Lonet.ca ([207.134.187.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-17148>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:42:49 -0400 Received: from lonet.ca ([207.134.187.93]) by l2.Lonet.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11602) with ESMTP id AAA140; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35F74AD1.1CDAD4D5@lonet.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:43:14 -0400 From: Paul Gingerich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pete@grifgraf.demon.co.uk CC: sgroup Subject: sgroup SGROUP dream sampler References: <1998Sep9.044254@vl.com> <35F704FB.6468D10C@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Ummm, what about a PC dedicated to sampling? I've been considering that lately. Love my S-550 for it's raw edge, remote, monitor, but a PC could be thrown together probably as cheaply (old parts, etc), but throw in a 1-In/1-Out MIDI card and a great sound card, then it just comes down to the software. A better user-interface you could not have, I figure. :) 16 channels x 128 notes + massive storage capacity + massive RAM + easy-to-use + super flexible/upgradable + damn cool looking = PERFECTION! I haven't kept up with the studio stuff (with school & all), but could anybody recommend a sound card or software package? Any special combinations that'll work sweet together? Cheers, Paul ==================================== pete wrote: > what would you want in your new dream super-sampler? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Sep 10 03:17:28 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193826-20852>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:16:54 -0400 Received: from uu2.pn.com ([204.96.36.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-20852>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:16:39 -0400 Received: from vl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by uu2.pn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with UUCP id DAA15581; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:07:52 -0400 Received: by vl.com (Mini-Host for Windows v1.51; WinUUCP) with UUCP; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1998Sep10.030515@vl.com> X-Mailer: *Cinetic Mail Manager V2.1 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:05:14 -0400 Reply-To: tmetro@vl.com From: tmetro@vl.com (Tom Metro) To: pgingerich@lonet.ca Cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup dream sampler Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Paul Gingerich writes: > I do believe a PC with a proper MIDI interface would be sufficiently > fast enough to respond without any real delay... One would think so, but Microsoft operating systems are notorious for making PCs bad at real time activities. Perhaps, with the effort in recent years to make Windows a better gaming platform using all the various Direct-whatever interfaces, this has changed. > ...and also agree the DSP would certainly have to be hardware. The latest AMD processor contains new 3D graphics hardware, which is just dedicated floating point math hardware, but with a limited instruction set. Some of it may be applicable to audio processing. At some point I expect CPU manufacturers to start giving audio a higher priority and include hardware specifically for it, rather than audio just getting some side benefit from graphics hardware. There seems to be real attention being paid to the needs of gaming, so audio enhancement shouldn't be far behind. Given the nice competition going on in the CPU market, there should be sufficient incentive for manufacturers to continue the trend of one-upping their competition by adding features. > I know my lame PC with C.L. SoundBlaster 16 wouldn't be able to mix > 64 simultaneous voices - geez, i'd figure 8 maybe, but not much more > than that. I brought up the topic because I happen to be buying components for a new system. The sound card I'm considering, a Diamond Sonic Impact, supposedly has hardware to digitally mix 30 streams of audio and includes a 64 voice wave table synth. That card can be had for $30 (technically it's been discontinued, but is still available). As it's a PCI card, it's possible that one could load 3 or 4 of them into a PC, though you'd probably have to write your own drivers. I didn't pick this card for serious music production (I don't have the time to thoroughly evaluate and investigate more expensive cards right now), but I was impressed with what they could accomplish in such a low cost card these days. In addition to the above, because the card uses the PCI interface, it greatly offloads the system CPU compared to older ISA cards. (And of course Diamond claims that their card goes even further - using more dedicated hardware - to offload the CPU than comparable PCI cards.) In theory, if the card operated as a bus master (I believe it does) it could access your main memory over the PCI bus at nearly 33 MHz. That ought to be fast enough for a multi channel sampler application, though you're still limited by what intelligence is on the card (i.e. any audio processing not built-in to the hardware would have to be done by the CPU, making the direct RAM interface irrelevant). I was thinking that the next step would be to develop an audio card that used the AGP interface normally used by video cards. That interface would provide up to 132 MHz access to main memory. AGP was designed to make video cards cheaper by reducing the amount of onboard memory, but the same trick would work nicely for an audio sampler. All that's missing is the dedicated hardware for pushing the audio data around. > Ummm, what about a PC dedicated to sampling? > + massive storage capacity > + massive RAM And most importantly, both drives and RAM could be bought at commodity prices, further maximizing your value for your dollar. -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic tmetro@vl.com Newton, MA, USA - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Sep 10 06:50:42 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193826-20852>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:48:15 -0400 Received: from jess.sanger.ac.uk ([193.60.84.61]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-20852>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:48:05 -0400 Received: from gigha.sanger.ac.uk (gigha [193.60.84.40]) by jess.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04772; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:47:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from scarp.sanger.ac.uk (9393@scarp.sanger.ac.uk [193.60.84.227]) by gigha.sanger.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25242; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:50:02 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:47:54 -0400 From: Ian Holmes To: Tom Metro cc: pgingerich@lonet.ca, sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup dream sampler In-Reply-To: <1998Sep10.030515@vl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Tom Metro wrote: > Paul Gingerich writes: > > I do believe a PC with a proper MIDI interface would be sufficiently > > fast enough to respond without any real delay... > One would think so, but Microsoft operating systems are notorious > > ... > > > Ummm, what about a PC dedicated to sampling? > > + massive storage capacity > > + massive RAM > And most importantly, both drives and RAM could be bought at > commodity prices, further maximizing your value for your dollar. surely the answer to both these questions is LINUX - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Sep 10 08:29:39 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193842-20851>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:26:32 -0400 Received: from apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com ([163.185.72.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193841-20852>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:26:21 -0400 Received: by apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:26:03 -0500 Message-ID: <8AF646AA0CCCD111AD140060089047DF08B788@apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com> From: "Grubbs, Dan" To: sgroup Subject: RE: sgroup SGROUP dream sampler Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:26:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk If you're gonna dream, dream big: Here are the specs of my dream sampler: Actually, not a dream sampler, --- a dream music workstation. 88 weighted keys 256 MB of RAM with otions to upgrade to 2 GB of RAM A built in 450 Mhz IBM PC (Notebook Motherrboard) with internet access The whole workstation runs on Windows NT, 95, or 98 Built in 256+ Tracks MIDI sequencer VGA output to be plugged into a standard PC monitor (keyboard and mouse too) A DVD-R drive capabale of reading AND writing DVD and standard CD's 2 - 9GB hard disks built into an ultra SCSI BUS with external expansion capabilities A library of high quality sounds almost as big as the internet itself 5 separate MIDI outs Analog Inputs for live digital recording up to 128 tracks Polyphony out the kazoo multichannel out all the goodies on machines of today AND ALL FOR $999.00 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Sep 10 10:05:18 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-20852>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:04:55 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.12]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-20852>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:04:51 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA13955 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:04:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809101404.JAA13955@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Received: from nyc-ny63-05.ix.netcom.com(209.109.224.69) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013924; Thu Sep 10 09:04:18 1998 Subject: Re: sgroup Roland Rnt much help! Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:03:29 -0400 x-sender: jeremy99@popd.ix.netcom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >because the policy with roland >japan is that they don't give out any information on third party >development vendors in case something goes wrong with there product.So >that nothing comes back on them. bullshit recycle is a kick-ass program for anyone working with loops and isn't afraid to get a little wet. for those who want it ready to eat, you can buy "pre-rex'd" loops (".REX" is the file suffix for a recycle format file) and load thes into cubase. It's PFA (pretty f-in' amazing) when you load the pre-rex'd stuff in... shameless plug alert: ok, sampleheads is converting our enitire library into rex format (in fact it's essentially done - we just have to do the assembly and mastering - and figure out how to market it... i'll post here when it's definite) jr http://www.sampleheads.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Sep 10 10:17:53 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193844-20851>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:17:17 -0400 Received: from zoesis.com ([208.229.10.254]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193685-20852>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:17:09 -0400 Received: from sebastian.zoesis.com (sebastian.zoesis.com [208.229.10.239]) by zoesis.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA16686 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zoesis.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sebastian.zoesis.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/) via ESMTP id OAA03266 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:01 GMT Message-ID: <35F7DF5C.802CCFE3@zoesis.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:17:00 -0400 From: Mike Shapiro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup dreamsampler References: <35F8979E.143BB4FD@julian.uwo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Andrew Petrasiunas wrote: > Ahem. My theory...I think where Roland is still behind (love the sound, > learned the architecture, love my mouse and monitor) is polyphony!!!!!!! Well, here's a broader question (and forgive me if it's been asked): DOES Roland have any plans to launch any successors to the 760? It astounds me that such a popular sampler has remained un-updated after so many years. (Other than in system software.) Top film composers will often have stacks of 30 or more S-760s so they can get the polyphony and memory capacity they need. One would think Roland would produce something that would be to the 760 what the JV-1080 (or JV-2080) was to the JV-880 - same basic architecture and design, but more of it. Mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Sep 10 11:20:01 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-18009>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:17:43 -0400 Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-18009>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:17:37 -0400 Received: from Tristar77@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id STQCa11929; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:16:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Tristar77@aol.com Message-ID: <41a5314.35f7ed66@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:16:54 -0400 To: jeremy@sampleheads.com, sgroup Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: sgroup Roland Rnt much help! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-09-10 10:05:52 EDT, jeremy@sampleheads.com writes: << >because the policy with roland >japan is that they don't give out any information on third party >development vendors in case something goes wrong with there product.So >that nothing comes back on them. >> No Bullshit --- Roland Sucks when it comes to sharing Info Have a lot o Roland stuff too --- Im Not buying any more tho - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Sep 10 15:32:33 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193830-29411>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:29:46 -0400 Received: from siba.fi ([128.214.84.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-29358>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:26:42 -0400 Received: from amadeus.siba.fi (amadeus.siba.fi [128.214.84.2]) by siba.fi (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23408 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:37:25 +0300 Received: (from tkorpipa@localhost) by amadeus.siba.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA31051; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:33:48 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:33:47 -0400 From: tkorpipa@siba.fi To: sgroup Subject: Re: hello there sgroup! In-Reply-To: <199809091153_MC2-58D5-49BF@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, dennis barton wrote: > I have a mouse that doesn't seem to work very well.. Any idea how to make em > work better? i just serviced a macintosh mouse that didn't track very well. i opened the mouse, cleaned the rollers (what track the movement), what had about 1-2mm of 'crud' (propably dust and grease) on them. then i washed the ball itself with normal dishwashing soap. worked like a dream after this. it helps to keep your mousepad (you have one, don't you?) clean of dirt, i suppose. poor me, i seem to enjoy my meals best before my computer... :) teemu :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: kiva/ruumen - http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa ::::::::::::::::::::: ::'i wanna be a happy person. that's why i have yamaha headphones' :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - lee perry - ::: - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 02:34:01 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193862-29422>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:33:09 -0400 Received: from mail2.cityweb.de ([193.189.224.210]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193699-29422>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:32:59 -0400 Received: from 195.71.96.2 (dtm8-m96-2.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.2]) by mail2.cityweb.de (8.9.1/8.9.1/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id IAA18700 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:32:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35F8C32E.45B7@cityweb.de> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:29:01 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cityweb.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: hello there sgroup! References: <199809091153_MC2-58D5-49BF@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk dennis barton wrote: > I have a mouse that doesn't seem to work very well.. Any idea how to make em > work better? Everything clean? Bearings etc.? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 02:34:05 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193671-29421>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:32:47 -0400 Received: from mail2.cityweb.de ([193.189.224.210]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193699-29421>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:32:43 -0400 Received: from 195.71.96.2 (dtm8-m96-2.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.2]) by mail2.cityweb.de (8.9.1/8.9.1/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id IAA18647 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:32:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35F8201A.7796@cityweb.de> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:53:15 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cityweb.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup The SDISK program References: <8AF646AA0CCCD111AD140060089047DF08B783@apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Grubbs, Dan wrote: > I have tried using the SDISK program to try to read and create sample diskettes for my W-30 on my PC. I can't seem to get it to work right. It always says that my disk has bad sectors. Does my floppy drive have to be a Low Density type? Don't know about SDISK, but SMAC on my Macintosh and SAMDISK on my Atari Falcon work ok with DD disks. Both computers have HD drives. There's a SAMDISK version for DOS too. Did you try it? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 03:15:33 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193863-29422>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:15:02 -0400 Received: from htkws1.htk.fi ([195.156.245.11]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193705-29422>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:14:59 -0400 Received: from pc1027.public.htk.fi [194.111.182.27] by htkws1.htk.fi (AltaVista Mail V2.0o/2.0o BL25o listener) id 0000_005e_35f8_cf4f_2c23; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:20:47 +0300 Subject: Re: sgroup dreamsampler Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 05:28:27 -0400 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: provoice To: "Mike Shapiro" , "sgroup" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1998Sep11.031459edt.193705-29422@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >Well, here's a broader question (and forgive me if it's been asked): DOES >Roland have any plans to launch any successors to the 760? > >It astounds me that such a popular sampler has remained un-updated after = so >many years. (Other than in system software.) Top film composers will >often have stacks of 30 or more S-760s so they can get the polyphony and >memory capacity they need. One would think Roland would produce something >that would be to the 760 what the JV-1080 (or JV-2080) was to the JV-880 - >same basic architecture and design, but more of it. > >Mike There have been rumours of a sampler called SV-7700, and even = somebody (can=B4t remember who) who wrote to this list gave us a Roland-based confirmation that = the supersampler is about to hit the markets in (last) summer. Another rumour was that = there were at Frankfurt music messe a dummy-version of the new sampler, which was shown to = "privileged people" on the backstage of the Roland stand...And yet another rumour: I=B4ve = heard that the delay for the new sampler is somehow connected to the new USB bus standard... anyone from Roland to confirm? Illusion Rake producer Finland - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 07:32:46 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193705-29421>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:32:24 -0400 Received: from siba.fi ([128.214.84.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-29421>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:32:22 -0400 Received: from amadeus.siba.fi (amadeus.siba.fi [128.214.84.2]) by siba.fi (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03935 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:38:31 +0300 Received: (from tkorpipa@localhost) by amadeus.siba.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14725; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:34:39 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:34:38 -0400 From: tkorpipa@siba.fi To: sgroup Subject: RE: sgroup SGROUP dream sampler In-Reply-To: <8AF646AA0CCCD111AD140060089047DF08B788@apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk haha. before i got my s760, all i wanted was that my akai s950 would have 128megs of memory and internal 9GB harddrive... what would i like to see in sampler? well, actually many of them come from ancient samplers. on/off switches for sample muting sp1200-style, wicked analog filters (my akai s950/vx90 combo sounds incredible compared to any digital ones), freely adjustable sample rate (like on my s950), resampling with effects, tons of outputs, memory (with a 1min backup for live usage...), a row of sliders and buttons programmable to control almost anything..., riaa-input for vinyl player (no need to lug a dj-mixer/preamplifier then doing records 'on location'), fm-synthesis and virtual analogue modeling on board for sample creation, etc etc. teemu :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: kiva/ruumen - http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa ::::::::::::::::::::: ::'i wanna be a happy person. that's why i have yamaha headphones' :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - lee perry - ::: - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 08:21:51 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193702-29421>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:21:21 -0400 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net ([198.206.134.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-29421>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:21:20 -0400 Received: from [199.227.103.42] (tsdfb2-42.gate.net [199.227.103.42]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA64376; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:20:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199809111220.IAA64376@chickasaw.gate.net> Subject: Re: sgroup Roland Rnt much help! Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:22:16 -0400 x-sender: oceandig@pop.gate.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Tom Hartman To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 98-09-10 10:05:52 EDT, jeremy@sampleheads.com writes: > ><< >because the policy with roland > >japan is that they don't give out any information on third party > >development vendors in case something goes wrong with there product.So > >that nothing comes back on them. >> > > >No Bullshit --- Roland Sucks when it comes to sharing Info >Have a lot o Roland stuff too --- Im Not buying any more tho Anyone know where I can find a store with a S760 with the digital options? Roland seems not have them anymore,and Sweetwater Sound sold the one they were supposed to be holding for me.... TH "Let me explain something to you Walsh...this business takes a certain amount of finesse." -"Chinatown" - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 08:25:26 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193705-29422>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:25:03 -0400 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net ([198.206.134.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-29422>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:25:00 -0400 Received: from [199.227.103.42] (tsdfb2-42.gate.net [199.227.103.42]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA90878; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:24:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199809111224.IAA90878@chickasaw.gate.net> Subject: Re: sgroup dreamsampler Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:25:52 -0400 x-sender: oceandig@pop.gate.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Tom Hartman To: "provoice" , "Mike Shapiro" , "sgroup" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >There have been rumours of a sampler called SV-7700, and even somebody >(can=B4t remember >who) who wrote to this list gave us a Roland-based confirmation that the >supersampler >is about to hit the markets in (last) summer. Another rumour was that >there were at Frankfurt >music messe a dummy-version of the new sampler, which was shown to >"privileged people" on >the backstage of the Roland stand...And yet another rumour: I=B4ve heard >that the delay for >the new sampler is somehow connected to the new USB bus standard... > Don't know about the bus standard, but the sampler is for real. Uses = a touch screen and has a built-in 2080 synth. Lots of memory, lots of = voices. Now delayed till after the first of the year, supposedly. = Roland is very hyper about it and will not discuss it.... TH "Let me explain something to you Walsh...this business takes a = certain amount of finesse." -"Chinatown" - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 11:50:29 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-28477>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:47:50 -0400 Received: from jack.direct.ca ([199.60.229.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193681-28477>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:47:40 -0400 Received: from west-53-0104.direct.ca (scharles) [216.23.136.100] by jack.direct.ca with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zHVQ6-0006fi-00; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:47:34 -0700 X-Sender: scharles@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup From: Sean Charles Subject: Re: sgroup dream sampler Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:47:34 -0400 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk With all this talk about soundcards...You guys should check out the Pulsar card from Creamware: http://www.creamware.de/ Some tasty stuff...24 bit, onboard DSP with no latency, etc. check it out! Peace for now, Sean At 03:05 AM 9/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >Paul Gingerich writes: >> I do believe a PC with a proper MIDI interface would be sufficiently >> fast enough to respond without any real delay... >One would think so, but Microsoft operating systems are notorious >for making PCs bad at real time activities. Perhaps, with the effort >in recent years to make Windows a better gaming platform using all >the various Direct-whatever interfaces, this has changed. > >> ...and also agree the DSP would certainly have to be hardware. >The latest AMD processor contains new 3D graphics hardware, which is >just dedicated floating point math hardware, but with a limited >instruction set. Some of it may be applicable to audio processing. > >At some point I expect CPU manufacturers to start giving audio a >higher priority and include hardware specifically for it, rather >than audio just getting some side benefit from graphics hardware. >There seems to be real attention being paid to the needs of gaming, >so audio enhancement shouldn't be far behind. Given the nice >competition going on in the CPU market, there should be sufficient >incentive for manufacturers to continue the trend of one-upping >their competition by adding features. > >> I know my lame PC with C.L. SoundBlaster 16 wouldn't be able to mix >> 64 simultaneous voices - geez, i'd figure 8 maybe, but not much more >> than that. >I brought up the topic because I happen to be buying components for >a new system. The sound card I'm considering, a Diamond Sonic >Impact, supposedly has hardware to digitally mix 30 streams of >audio and includes a 64 voice wave table synth. That card can be had >for $30 (technically it's been discontinued, but is still >available). As it's a PCI card, it's possible that one could load 3 >or 4 of them into a PC, though you'd probably have to write your own >drivers. > >I didn't pick this card for serious music production (I don't have >the time to thoroughly evaluate and investigate more expensive cards >right now), but I was impressed with what they could accomplish in >such a low cost card these days. In addition to the above, because >the card uses the PCI interface, it greatly offloads the system CPU >compared to older ISA cards. (And of course Diamond claims that >their card goes even further - using more dedicated hardware - to >offload the CPU than comparable PCI cards.) > >In theory, if the card operated as a bus master (I believe it does) >it could access your main memory over the PCI bus at nearly 33 MHz. >That ought to be fast enough for a multi channel sampler >application, though you're still limited by what intelligence is on >the card (i.e. any audio processing not built-in to the hardware >would have to be done by the CPU, making the direct RAM interface >irrelevant). > >I was thinking that the next step would be to develop an audio card >that used the AGP interface normally used by video cards. That >interface would provide up to 132 MHz access to main memory. AGP was >designed to make video cards cheaper by reducing the amount of >onboard memory, but the same trick would work nicely for an audio >sampler. All that's missing is the dedicated hardware for pushing >the audio data around. > >> Ummm, what about a PC dedicated to sampling? >> + massive storage capacity >> + massive RAM >And most importantly, both drives and RAM could be bought at >commodity prices, further maximizing your value for your dollar. > > -Tom > >-- >Tom Metro >Venture Logic tmetro@vl.com >Newton, MA, USA > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 14:44:43 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193710-14325>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:42:29 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14325>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:42:22 -0400 Received: from bay.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.9]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id OAA23351; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by bay.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id OAA32353; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Comments: OAA32353 on bay (hop 0), Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:42:03 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@bay To: pete cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Re: lusting for a different sampler In-Reply-To: <35F704FB.6468D10C@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > more polyphony, more disc space, more compatibility, more knobs, yadda yadda > yadda... it's not really ground-breaking stuff, is it? I mean... whatever has anyone got their mits on an akai s5000 yet? looks pretty cool. it uses PC format .WAV files as it's native sample format. PC format on the disks too. and an LCD that growing to near the size of.. gosh, a moniter that was standard equiptment on a 1989 roland sampler. maybe their finally getting smart and realizing us users want big visual i/o not tiny LCDs mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 15:33:01 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193714-14325>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:32:27 -0400 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu ([128.32.25.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193713-14325>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:32:24 -0400 Received: from [136.152.26.34] (clkhomeip.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.26.34]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03994 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:34:00 -0400 To: sgroup From: Chris Kirkham Subject: Re: sgroup dream sampler Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I wonder if the new sampler will use the current Roland format. I hope so, Ive got a rather large library amassed! I noticed new Akai samplers are supposed to be using the .wav format as their primary format. !*********V***********!CHRIS KIRKHAM!*********N************! Industrial hygiene & industrial/electronic/soundtrack music !*********T***********!(510)665-1986!*********X************! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Sep 11 21:57:28 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-3755>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:55:59 -0400 Received: from l2.Lonet.ca ([207.134.187.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-3755>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:55:58 -0400 Received: from lonet.ca ([207.134.187.130]) by l2.Lonet.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11602) with ESMTP id AAA116; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:39:17 -0400 Message-ID: <35F9D49A.2A8A01D3@lonet.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:55:39 -0400 From: Paul Gingerich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike p CC: sgroup Subject: sgroup Re: new akai sampler References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hey, does it come with PC editing software? And them floppies, is that the std 1.44M? Considering the size of your average .wav, I'd hope for zips or something ... & tks to Sean for the creamware tip ... still investigating, wouldn't mind seeing a demo or hearing opinions of users -- anybody out there using their stuff? tty, Paul ============================== mike p wrote: > > more polyphony, more disc space, more compatibility, more knobs, yadda yadda > > yadda... it's not really ground-breaking stuff, is it? I mean... whatever > > has anyone got their mits on an akai s5000 yet? looks pretty cool. it uses > PC format .WAV files as it's native sample format. PC format on the disks > too. and an LCD that growing to near the size of.. gosh, a moniter that > was standard equiptment on a 1989 roland sampler. maybe their finally > getting smart and realizing us users want big visual i/o not tiny LCDs > > mike > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Sep 12 03:55:03 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193740-12722>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:53:32 -0400 Received: from mail1.cityweb.de ([193.189.224.217]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-12722>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:53:22 -0400 Received: from 195.71.97.85 (dtm8-m97-85.pool.cww.de [195.71.97.85]) by mail1.cityweb.de (8.9.1/8.9.1/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id JAA24682 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:53:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35F8CDEF.2E47@cityweb.de> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:14:57 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cityweb.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Roland Rnt much help! References: <41a5314.35f7ed66@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Tristar77@aol.com wrote: > No Bullshit --- Roland Sucks when it comes to sharing Info > Have a lot o Roland stuff too --- Im Not buying any more tho At least Roland service manuals, Sysex specs and replacement parts are available for everybody. Did you ever try to get a service manual for Ensoniq gear? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Sep 14 14:36:22 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-5646>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:34:30 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-5646>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:34:19 -0400 Received: from palm.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.11]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id OAA22396; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by palm.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id OAA00394; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Comments: OAA00394 on palm (hop 0), Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:34:12 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@palm To: tkorpipa@siba.fi cc: sgroup Subject: RE: sgroup SGROUP dream sampler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk hi altho all the replies to this thread have been very entertaining, i think some of the suggestions were a little too "out there" practically speaking (i liked them). ive had some ideas that i guess ill voice now: flash RAM instead of a hardrive. why not have a gig of instantly ready samples? itd be expensive, but its getting more feasible. USB is a good idea. better SCSI implemintation would be a nice start. what i mean is if EVERY aspect of the sampler was controllable by SCSI, no more midi sys-ex. too slow. how about if the sampler manufacturer bundled PC/MAC software with the hardware. you could have a roland-ish crt interface on yr PC, in a window... without any headaches. and the PC hardrive could serve as more sample storage with direct, fast scsi acsess. > haha. before i got my s760, all i wanted was that my akai s950 would have > 128megs of memory and internal 9GB harddrive... haha. thats my new PC.. 128MB and 2 4.5GIG HD's.. couldn't imagine that much power for just a sampler. (i still use the s-330) mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Sep 14 14:54:26 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-8457>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:51:35 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193698-8457>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:51:29 -0400 Received: from palm.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.11]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id OAA22774; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by palm.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id OAA14094; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Comments: OAA14094 on palm (hop 0), Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:51:21 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@palm To: Paul Gingerich cc: sgroup Subject: sgroup Re: new akai sampler In-Reply-To: <35F9D49A.2A8A01D3@lonet.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk about the s-5000 > Hey, does it come with PC editing software? And them floppies, is that the std > 1.44M? Considering the size of your average .wav, I'd hope for zips or something i saw a picture of it. its a 1.4 floppy on front. i think its understood that with a sampler of that caliber (and 2 scsi connecters for that matter) that youd be using a hard drive. mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Sep 15 18:05:47 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-4466>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:03:51 -0400 Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193676-422>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:03:39 -0400 Received: from [194.222.88.198] (helo=grifgraf.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zJ3C9-0001zP-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:03:33 +0000 Message-ID: <35FEE682.6CF47934@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:13:30 -0400 From: pete Reply-To: pete@grifgraf.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup SGROUP dream sampler References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk mike p wrote: > flash RAM instead of a hardrive. why not have a gig of instantly ready > samples? itd be expensive, but its getting more feasible. Yes yes yes! And while you're at it, what's the problem with flash RAM for computers in general - why do we still have this interminable wait for the damn things to load up? Reminds me of valve TVs... Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Sep 15 22:34:43 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193750-4466>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:33:25 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.82.251.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193683-8210>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:33:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 20436 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 1998 02:33:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19980916023302.20435.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.26.233.10 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:33:02 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.26.233.10] From: "Casey jones" To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Re:SGROUP dream sampler/upgradeof760 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:33:02 -0400 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk What ever happened to the rumors that I had heard going around earlier on in the year that roland were going to release an upgrade of the S-760. I put this message up on this forum and I did'nt get one mention from anybody.Actually someone else had metioned it before I did on the forum. I also thought that I had read a small mention of the gos in Future Music. Niggle rolond corp about that. Huh! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sun Sep 27 22:13:14 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193737-29074>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:11:45 -0400 Received: from sparcy.delanet.com ([208.9.136.54]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-29074>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:11:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 17644 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1998 02:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO borg) (208.9.136.233) by sparcy.delanet.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 1998 02:07:16 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980927221120.006a1020@mail.gangsterpump.com> X-Sender: borg@mail.gangsterpump.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:11:20 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: The Borg Subject: sgroup HDD in rack Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I know there was info about putting hard drives used with a W-30 into a RACK MOUNT unit a few years ago on this list.. Does anyone have such info? I just came across a 66 mb scsi HD that I want to add to my current HD setup. Thanks - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Sep 29 14:05:42 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193862-16129>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:04:21 -0400 Received: from postbox.dai.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.41.196]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193858-16129>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:04:11 -0400 Received: from rail (rail.dai.ed.ac.uk [129.215.25.35]) by postbox.dai.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA15082 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:04:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:04:04 -0400 From: Marcio Brandao To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup HDD for W-30 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980927221120.006a1020@mail.gangsterpump.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, The Borg wrote: > I know there was info about putting hard drives used with a W-30 into a > RACK MOUNT unit a few years ago on this list.. > > Does anyone have such info? I just came across a 66 mb scsi HD that I want > to add to my current HD setup. I'm interested in connecting a hard drive (at least one...) or a CD-ROM to my W-30. This topic was discussed on this list some years ago and a company from Los Angeles (PA-DECODER, 1258 South Ogden Drive, CA 90019, (213)938-8924) was selling at that time - 1992 - the appropriate hard drives (40 or 80 MB) and SCSI Interface for the W-30. Does anyone know how to get these components today? Thanks, Marcio Brandao - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Sep 29 19:25:28 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193898-3650>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:23:45 -0400 Received: from sparcy.delanet.com ([208.9.136.54]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-3650>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:23:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 23726 invoked from network); 29 Sep 1998 23:19:30 -0000 Received: from modem34.delanet.com (HELO borg) (207.124.0.66) by sparcy.delanet.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 23:19:30 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980929192337.006a1fec@mail.gangsterpump.com> X-Sender: borg@mail.gangsterpump.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:23:37 -0400 To: Marcio Brandao , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: The Borg Subject: Re: sgroup HDD for W-30 In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19980927221120.006a1020@mail.gangsterpump.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 02:04 PM 9/29/98 -0400, Marcio Brandao wrote: > >On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, The Borg wrote: > >> I know there was info about putting hard drives used with a W-30 into a >> RACK MOUNT unit a few years ago on this list.. >> >> Does anyone have such info? I just came across a 66 mb scsi HD that I want >> to add to my current HD setup. I still need the rack mount info... Help please.. >I'm interested in connecting a hard drive (at least one...) or a CD-ROM to >my W-30. This topic was discussed on this list some years ago and a >company from Los Angeles (PA-DECODER, 1258 South Ogden Drive, CA 90019, >(213)938-8924) was selling at that time - 1992 - the appropriate hard >drives (40 or 80 MB) and SCSI Interface for the W-30. I got an 80 mb HDD a few years ago with a small case for it. I think you might have to build it yourself. I have no ideas of anyone still selling them, but you can do a little surfing and find out. >Does anyone know how to get these components today? I just scored a 66mb & hopefully an 80 mb SCSI drives from 2 people that I work with. Place ads in newsgroups or discussion boards.. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 30 06:12:02 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193934-974>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:07:39 -0400 Received: from mail.vmicro.com ([208.153.234.10]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193694-974>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:07:24 -0400 Received: from [209.155.90.82] by mail.vmicro.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/7.aa2r) with ESMTP id aa617084 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 03:07:20 -0700 From: "James W. Thomas" Organization: Xevious Communications To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:06:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup HDD for W-30 Reply-to: xevious@vmicro.com References: <3.0.3.32.19980927221120.006a1020@mail.gangsterpump.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) X-Info: VM Online Message-Id: <10072026000014@vmicro.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I'm interested in connecting a hard drive (at least one...) or a CD-ROM to > my W-30. This topic was discussed on this list some years ago and a > company from Los Angeles (PA-DECODER, 1258 South Ogden Drive, CA 90019, > (213)938-8924) was selling at that time - 1992 - the appropriate hard > drives (40 or 80 MB) and SCSI Interface for the W-30. > As fro the HD, any old Quantum 40mb or 80mb should work. As for the SCSI kit, I know you can buy the chip seperately for something like $15us, but I no longer have the part number or any info. Is there any kind of archive for this list (it's been posted before)? _______________________________________________ James W. Thomas Xevious Communications xevious@audiophile.com xevious@vmicro.com Hear animalFarm in 2 clicks!: http://www.mp3.com/music/HeavyMetal/1270.html http://www.audiophile.com/animalFarm *Now seeking label deal/management* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Sep 30 08:18:40 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193946-974>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:17:58 -0400 Received: from apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com ([163.185.72.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193694-974>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:17:43 -0400 Received: by apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:17:04 -0500 Message-ID: <8AF646AA0CCCD111AD140060089047DF08B7D3@apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com> From: "Grubbs, Dan" To: 'The Borg' , Marcio Brandao , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup HDD for W-30 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:17:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I am also trying to find the SCSI kit for the W-30. In my W-30 manual, it is called the KW-30 optional SCSI kit. Most (if not all) Roland dealers have gotten rid of there W-30 and S-series gear years ago. I was told I can buy this from a parts department for Roland. Does anyone know exactly who I should contact to get this kit. I think it is an EEPROM and a different system disk that boots the W-30 with HDD and CD-ROM SCSI drivers. The system disk can be downloaded from Rolandus.com. Any contact info would be appreciated. I have also heard that larger SCSI drives (500MB) will work for this, but only if it is formatted by a different computer (MAC, PC?) Is there any truth to this? > -----Original Message----- > From: The Borg [SMTP:borg@gangsterpump.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 6:24 PM > To: Marcio Brandao; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup HDD for W-30 > > At 02:04 PM 9/29/98 -0400, Marcio Brandao wrote: > > > >On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, The Borg wrote: > > > >> I know there was info about putting hard drives used with a W-30 into a > >> RACK MOUNT unit a few years ago on this list.. > >> > >> Does anyone have such info? I just came across a 66 mb scsi HD that I want > >> to add to my current HD setup. > > I still need the rack mount info... Help please.. > > >I'm interested in connecting a hard drive (at least one...) or a CD-ROM to > >my W-30. This topic was discussed on this list some years ago and a > >company from Los Angeles (PA-DECODER, 1258 South Ogden Drive, CA 90019, > >(213)938-8924) was selling at that time - 1992 - the appropriate hard > >drives (40 or 80 MB) and SCSI Interface for the W-30. > > I got an 80 mb HDD a few years ago with a small case for it. I think you > might have to build it yourself. I have no ideas of anyone still selling > them, but you can do a little surfing and find out. > > >Does anyone know how to get these components today? > > I just scored a 66mb & hopefully an 80 mb SCSI drives from 2 people that I > work with. Place ads in newsgroups or discussion boards.. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca