From owner-sgroup Sun May 3 17:18:29 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-24643>; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:16:50 -0400 Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-24643>; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:16:40 -0400 Received: from (194.222.88.198) [194.222.88.198] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yW67V-0007TN-00; Sun, 3 May 1998 22:16:26 +0100 Message-ID: <354CEC70.17424B53@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:15:15 -0400 From: pete Reply-To: pete@grifgraf.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Drum kits X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I'm interested to know how people usually set up drumkits on their samplers. To date I've been setting up a whole kit as one patch - it's convenient and saves screen-space. But I'm finding that I tend to just use the same few kits because I'm too impatient to wade in and change the sounds used! So now I'm wondering whether I shouldn't try using individual patches for each drum, or group of drums? (i.e. a Kit therefore would comprise a Snare-only Patch, A Kick-only Patch, a Hats Patch, a Toms Patch etc) Then if I just want to try a different snare, I can simply load one as a patch rather than having to duplicate the existing kit, load a different sample and reassign the split etc. Sorry, that might sound like rather a trivial question, but it's driving me nuts! If anybody's got any strong opinions about the benefits and drawbacks of the options above, I'd love to hear them! Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sun May 3 18:31:14 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-23487>; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:29:01 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-23487>; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:28:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00925; Sun, 3 May 1998 18:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:26:24 -0400 From: Steve Harvey To: pete cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits In-Reply-To: <354CEC70.17424B53@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 May 1998, pete wrote: > I'm interested to know how people usually set up drumkits on their > samplers. To date I've been setting up a whole kit as one patch - it's > convenient and saves screen-space. But I'm finding that I tend to just > use the same few kits because I'm too impatient to wade in and change > the sounds used! I've followed a similar progression in my own experience... Single-patch kits are nice and convenient, but if each drum is its own patch, it makes it a lot more convenient to go in and change sounds (on a S760 in any event). I find myself wanting to have different drums EQ'd or panned differently, and it's so much easier to just set that on the performance screen. Plus, I find that if I save each song I'm working on as a seperate performance, it really isn't any more hassle... I just load up a basic drumkit template, re-save it as a new performance, and make the changes I want on that copy... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sun May 3 19:48:19 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-174>; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:47:53 -0400 Received: from smtp0-alterdial.uu.net ([192.48.96.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-174>; Sun, 3 May 1998 19:47:43 -0400 Received: from pop0-alterdial.uu.net by smtp0-alterdial.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop0-alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.27]) id QQenvj12468; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:47:37 GMT Received: from [208.200.211.254] by pop0-alterdial.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [208.200.211.254]) id QQenvj09476; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:47:36 GMT Message-Id: Received: from 208.200.211.209 by 208.200.211.254 with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for MacOS 1.0.2); 03 MAY 98 16:53:10 UT Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:55:34 -0400 From: Dan Phillips Subject: RE: sgroup Drum kits To: pete , sgroup X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Dan Phillips Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I use different patches for each drum - kick, snare, hats, etc. I also tend to use external processing (compression, EQ, reverb, etc.), so having the drums as separate patches makes it easy to send them to separate outputs as well. Best regards, Dan Phillips Korg Research and Development - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 01:19:01 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-15301>; Mon, 4 May 1998 01:17:30 -0400 Received: from nyntq1.tink.com ([165.254.101.54]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-15301>; Mon, 4 May 1998 01:17:20 -0400 Received: from forward-daemon by mail2.new-york.net (PMDF V5.1-10 #22883) id <01IWM8OK1U348WXLWY@mail2.new-york.net> for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 4 May 1998 01:16:45 EDT Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:38:04 -0400 From: Jeremy Roberts Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits To: sgroup Message-id: <01IWM8OK7Q9U8WXLWY@mail2.new-york.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >So now I'm wondering whether I shouldn't try using individual patches >for each drum, or group of drums? (i.e. a Kit therefore would comprise a >Snare-only Patch, A Kick-only Patch, a Hats Patch, a Toms Patch etc) Yes. Use individual patches per instrument... this allows output routing at the performance level, etc... This is how roland does it on their factory roms as well.... It really works great this way... AND considering many 3rd party libraries have standardized on "roland naming conventions" (and note mapping), it makes it simple to bring in that perfect snare or whatever.... *shameless plug alert* Yes, Sampleheads libraries adhere to "Roland standard drum mapping conventions". jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 08:50:52 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-15301>; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:47:42 -0400 Received: from mail2.uct.ac.za ([137.158.128.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-15302>; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:47:29 -0400 Received: from mort by mail2.uct.ac.za with local (Exim 1.70 #3) id 0yWKeG-0002yx-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:47:12 +0200 Received: by mail2.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.22) id 586 from STUART@SOCSCI; Mon May 4 14:47:12 1998 From: "John Stuart" To: sgroup Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 03:16:34 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk The other posters seconded Pete's suggestion about `one patch per percussion item'. This a good idea if you are sending the sounds to external processing and mixing, but if you have a micro PC setup and you mix straight to HDD its less advantageous (and for sequencing each `drum' requires its own track). In this case I would suggest having multiple versions of each drum in one, two or three patches. Think about it - most of us have at least 5 octave keyboards - that's 60 drums per patch before you have to shift octave or change patch . Should be enough for multiple snares, basses, toms etc. You don't need many versions of things like hi hats etc. john ct/SA - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 09:23:54 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-15301>; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:23:21 -0400 Received: from nyntq1.tink.com ([165.254.101.54]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-15301>; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:23:18 -0400 Received: from forward-daemon by mail2.new-york.net (PMDF V5.1-10 #22883) id <01IWMPNHUYXS8WXXYZ@mail2.new-york.net> for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:23:03 EDT Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:21:20 -0400 From: Jeremy Roberts Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits To: sgroup Message-id: <01IWMPNHWUGI8WXXYZ@mail2.new-york.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >(and for sequencing each >`drum' requires its own track). NOT AT ALL! What makes the roland OS cool is that you can constrain note mappings, which means you can have 32 patches all on midi channel #1... and the outputs can be routed and the panning adjusted in REAL TIME, etc... Look at the "preview disc" that came free with every 700 series sampler ever sold for examples of good drum programming (not the best sounds, but good prgramming). jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 09:46:03 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15302>; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:42:47 -0400 Received: from mail2.uct.ac.za ([137.158.128.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-15302>; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:42:36 -0400 Received: from mort by mail2.uct.ac.za with local (Exim 1.70 #3) id 0yWLVb-0004tU-00; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:42:19 +0200 Received: by mail2.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.22) id 586 from STUART@SOCSCI; Mon May 4 15:42:19 1998 From: "John Stuart" To: sgroup Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 04:11:47 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Jeremy Roberts wrote: >>(and for sequencing each >>`drum' requires its own track). > >NOT AT ALL! > >What makes the roland OS cool is that you can constrain note mappings, >which means you can have 32 patches all on midi channel #1... and the >outputs can be routed and the panning adjusted in REAL TIME, etc... >Look at the "preview disc" that came free with every 700 series sampler >ever sold for examples of good drum programming (not the best sounds, but >good prgramming). I think you're assuming that I have an S7+. As much a I'd like to I'm still in the world of Cakewalk and my W30 (live long & prosper), where I believe these constraints apply. Its possible that, with Cakewalk, Roland and other instrument definitions allow the sort of mapping you describe, but I don't have one of these instruments yet... Of course the W30 part assign does allow mutliple patches per midi channel, but the notes for each drum would still have to be mutually exclusive, leaving you with no real advantage over a single patch. (OK, a small advantage) But thinking aloud - I've just realised that you could probably overdub a single track with multiple takes using multiple midi channels in the W30, and so achieve the `different patch for each drum type' split everyone was refering to. You live & learn! later, John - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 10:08:54 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-15302>; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:05:22 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-15302>; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:05:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01172; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:59:40 -0400 From: Steve Harvey To: John Stuart cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 May 1998, John Stuart wrote: > The other posters seconded Pete's suggestion about `one patch per > percussion item'. This a good idea if you are sending the sounds to > external processing and mixing, but if you have a micro PC setup and > you mix straight to HDD its less advantageous (and for sequencing each > `drum' requires its own track). In this case I would suggest having > multiple versions of each drum in one, two or three patches. Think about it > - most of us have at least 5 octave keyboards - that's 60 drums per > patch before you have to shift octave or change patch . Should be > enough for multiple snares, basses, toms etc. You don't need many versions > of things like hi hats etc. Hmm, only problem there is that if you're using all kinds of different note mappings like you describe, it makes it difficult to audition different kits on an existing track. Most people use the standard General MIDI drum mappings (kick=C2, snare=D2 etc.), so it could potentially make your compositions less portable, if that's even an issue. Another thing worth mentioning is that since the Roland OS so nicely allows us to share sample data between multiple patches, it's not difficult to do things *both* ways, by having seperate patches for tight jazzy kick, tight jazzy snare, etc., and then collate all of the partials together into a single "tight jazzy kit" patch, for when you just want to flip through a bunch of kits to try out sounds... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 17:00:47 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193671-16328>; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:55:24 -0400 Received: from aloha.romnet.com ([209.61.17.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-16328>; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:55:14 -0400 Received: from romnet.com ([209.61.17.77]) by aloha.romnet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA08415 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:56:09 -0400 Message-ID: <354E2CEE.3FB54017@romnet.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:02:38 -0400 From: PMA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Archive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk hello can someone please post the address to the archive... -pma - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 18:16:53 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-16328>; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:16:12 -0400 Received: from onondaga.gate.net ([198.206.134.31]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-16328>; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:16:01 -0400 Received: from gate.net (dfbfl3-118.gate.net [199.227.5.118]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA59032; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:11:21 -0400 Message-ID: <354E4DC0.2D15788C@gate.net> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:22:42 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Harvey CC: John Stuart , sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk OK...How are you guyz using 1 drum per patch? It seems that then you would have to record each drum seprerately. How do you access them all if they're all on the same midi channel? It just seems that you couln't simply press record and play the drums from your keyboard in one shot. I would really appreciate it if someone would expound on this. I'm sure it would help a lot of us! I've been trying to figure out a good way to record drums...what about this general midi setup? -adam- Steve Harvey wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 1998, John Stuart wrote: > > > The other posters seconded Pete's suggestion about `one patch per > > percussion item'. This a good idea if you are sending the sounds to > > external processing and mixing, but if you have a micro PC setup and > > you mix straight to HDD its less advantageous (and for sequencing each > > `drum' requires its own track). In this case I would suggest having > > multiple versions of each drum in one, two or three patches. Think about it > > - most of us have at least 5 octave keyboards - that's 60 drums per > > patch before you have to shift octave or change patch . Should be > > enough for multiple snares, basses, toms etc. You don't need many versions > > of things like hi hats etc. > > Hmm, only problem there is that if you're using all kinds of different > note mappings like you describe, it makes it difficult to audition > different kits on an existing track. Most people use the standard General > MIDI drum mappings (kick=C2, snare=D2 etc.), so it could potentially make > your compositions less portable, if that's even an issue. > > Another thing worth mentioning is that since the Roland OS so nicely > allows us to share sample data between multiple patches, it's not > difficult to do things *both* ways, by having seperate patches for tight > jazzy kick, tight jazzy snare, etc., and then collate all of the partials > together into a single "tight jazzy kit" patch, for when you just want to > flip through a bunch of kits to try out sounds... > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 19:49:15 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-16328>; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:48:49 -0400 Received: from smtp0-alterdial.uu.net ([192.48.96.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-16328>; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:48:45 -0400 Received: from pop0-alterdial.uu.net by smtp0-alterdial.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop0-alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.27]) id QQenzb03133; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:48:43 GMT Received: from [208.200.211.254] by pop0-alterdial.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [208.200.211.254]) id QQenzb09002; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:48:42 GMT Message-Id: Received: from 208.200.211.203 by 208.200.211.254 with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for MacOS 1.0.2); 04 MAY 98 16:54:11 UT Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:50:44 -0400 From: Dan Phillips Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits To: sgroup X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Dan Phillips Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Adam writes: > OK...How are you guyz using 1 drum per patch? It seems that > then you would have to record each drum seprerately. How do > you access them all if they're all on the same midi channel? > It just seems that you couln't simply press record and play > the drums from your keyboard in one shot. I would really > appreciate it if someone would expound on this. I'm sure it > would help a lot of us! I've been trying to figure out a > good way to record drums...what about this general midi > setup? -adam- The samples (Partials, actually) are assigned to different key ranges. For instance, in a typical kick Patch, the kick sample(s) will be on C1 (and perhaps B1 as well). The snare Patch might have samples on both D1 and E1. This way, when both are assigned to the same MIDI channel, they still don't overlap. In some cases, it can still be handy to have them on separate MIDI channels - for separate MIDI volume control, for instance, or for MIDI modulation, if any. (Such as snare release time for a 909 sample - hacked that one up in Digital Performer, by assigning a slider to send SysEx - fun and effective.) Best regards, Dan Phillips Korg Research & Development - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 19:56:56 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-16689>; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:56:37 -0400 Received: from angel.uunet.ca ([205.150.160.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-16689>; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:56:30 -0400 Received: from pollux.uunet.ca ([209.47.143.131]) by angel.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <17259-22411>; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:56:19 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by pollux.uunet.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA03440; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:56:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:56:17 -0400 From: John Sellens Message-Id: <199805042356.TAA03440@pollux.uunet.ca> To: ed@romnet.com, sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Archive Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk | From ed@romnet.com Mon May 4 19:53:11 1998 | Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:02:38 -0400 | From: PMA | To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca | Subject: sgroup Archive | | hello | can someone please post the address to the archive... | -pma ftp://jsellens0.uunet.ca/pub/sgroup - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 22:11:04 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-3538>; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:10:31 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-3538>; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:10:21 -0400 Received: from gate.net (miafl2-21.gate.net [199.227.35.84]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA83870; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:09:23 -0400 Message-ID: <354E84AD.5D31087D@gate.net> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:17:03 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Phillips CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Sorry...I musdt have phrased the question wrong...I don't understand how you can play the drums on you keyboard when each patch only has one drum w/o recording each drum seperately instead of @ the same time Dan Phillips wrote: > Adam writes: > > > OK...How are you guyz using 1 drum per patch? It seems that > > then you would have to record each drum seprerately. How do > > you access them all if they're all on the same midi channel? > > It just seems that you couln't simply press record and play > > the drums from your keyboard in one shot. I would really > > appreciate it if someone would expound on this. I'm sure it > > would help a lot of us! I've been trying to figure out a > > good way to record drums...what about this general midi > > setup? -adam- > > The samples (Partials, actually) are assigned to different key > ranges. > > For instance, in a typical kick Patch, the kick sample(s) will be on > C1 (and perhaps B1 as well). > > The snare Patch might have samples on both D1 and E1. > > This way, when both are assigned to the same MIDI channel, they > still don't overlap. > > In some cases, it can still be handy to have them on separate MIDI > channels - for separate MIDI volume control, for instance, or for > MIDI modulation, if any. > > (Such as snare release time for a 909 sample - hacked that one up in > Digital Performer, by assigning a slider to send SysEx - fun and > effective.) > > Best regards, > > Dan Phillips > Korg Research & Development > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 4 22:23:09 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-3538>; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:22:34 -0400 Received: from smtp0-alterdial.uu.net ([192.48.96.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-3538>; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:22:31 -0400 Received: from pop0-alterdial.uu.net by smtp0-alterdial.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop0-alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.27]) id QQenzl21660; Tue, 5 May 1998 02:22:23 GMT Received: from [208.200.211.254] by pop0-alterdial.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [208.200.211.254]) id QQenzl00697; Tue, 5 May 1998 02:22:22 GMT Message-Id: Received: from 208.200.211.203 by 208.200.211.254 with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for MacOS 1.0.2); 04 MAY 98 19:27:51 UT Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:24:26 -0400 From: Dan Phillips Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits To: statik CC: sgroup X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Dan Phillips Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Adam writes: > Sorry...I musdt have phrased the question wrong...I don't understand > how you can play the drums on you keyboard when each patch only has > one drum w/o recording each drum seperately instead of @ the same > time Now I guess _I_ don't understand. The keyboard is routed to MIDI ch. 1, for instance. Patches for kick, snare, etc. are all also assigned to MIDI ch. 1. To make it simple, say that each Patch uses only a single Partial, each on a different key. Record from the keyboard into the sequencer - result: a single track with all drums. Split track as necessary. (I also sometimes use my DrumKat, in which case I can get fancy: each pad on the DrumKat sends on a separate MIDI channel, which are in turn each routed to a separate track in my sequencer, so that each is recorded separately; the sequencer takes care of re-channelizing for output to the sampler.) Dan Phillips Korg Research & Development - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 5 08:10:45 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-13830>; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:09:13 -0400 Received: from mail1.uct.ac.za ([137.158.128.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-13830>; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:09:02 -0400 Received: from mort by mail1.uct.ac.za with local (Exim 1.70 #2) id 0yWgVy-0005Vu-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:08:06 +0200 Received: by mail1.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.22) id 615 from STUART@SOCSCI; Tue May 5 14:08:06 1998 From: "John Stuart" To: statik@gate.net Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 02:37:28 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits CC: sgroup X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Adam wrote: >OK...How are you guyz using 1 drum per patch? It seems that then you would have >to record each drum seprerately. How do you access them all if they're all on >the same midi channel? It just seems that you couln't simply press record and >play the drums from your keyboard in one shot.... What I realised later was that you could use the `loop' function in the W30 sequencer (also the MC500 and maybe MC300?) to record multiple takes on the same track, while changing midi channel (and therefore drum patch) for each take. Note that the drum patches are on *different* MIDI channels. This gives you the desired effect: multiple drum patches and therefore much wider choice of drum kits. Yes, you would have to record each drum once at a time, but if you start with bass drum it should be OK. john cape town - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 5 09:57:09 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-13830>; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:56:08 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-13830>; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:56:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01790; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:52:01 -0400 From: Steve Harvey To: John Stuart cc: statik@gate.net, sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 May 1998, John Stuart wrote: > Adam wrote: > > What I realised later was that you could use the `loop' function in > the W30 sequencer (also the MC500 and maybe MC300?) to record > multiple takes on the same track, while changing midi > channel (and therefore drum patch) for each take. Note that the drum > patches are on *different* MIDI channels. This gives you the > desired effect: multiple drum patches and therefore much wider > choice of drum kits. Yes, you would have to record each drum once at > a time, but if you start with bass drum it should be OK. > Hmm, this may be a difference between the older and newer Roland samplers. On the S-760, you can have 32 patches per performance (song), and each patch can have any MIDI channel... You could set all 32 slots to channel 10, if you had that many patches with their own isolated note numbers (or if you wanted that wicked fat layered sound...) Do the older models have a restriction of one patch per MIDI channel? -- <--/---\------76-cols-----------------^-----Your-Name-Here----Something----> / Small*<-Perth Make Your Very 4 rows email@address.here witty some / Ascii \ Own Signature File! | Profession Here dead guy \ Picture / Follow The Instructions v Other Personal Info said here - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 5 10:30:18 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-13829>; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:29:47 -0400 Received: from ns1.eds.com ([192.85.154.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-13829>; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:29:41 -0400 Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa2.eds.com [192.85.154.30]) by ns1.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27184 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17104 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA04410; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:26:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9805051426.AA04410@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.31); 5 May 98 10:21:47 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.31); 5 May 98 10:21:41 -0500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:21:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On the S-50, you can only play (using the keyboard) one MIDI channel per patch. Up to 4 patches (and MIDI channels) can be controlled from a sequencer (MIDI) but the keyboard can only be assigned to one MIDI channel and one patch at a time. Of course, each patch can have any combination of samples mapped across it. If you use a PC and want to try it, you should be able to use MIDI preprocessing software to remap the S-50 keyboard across MIDI channels/patches. I would recommend MIDIOX available Jamie's Place at http://www.channel1.com/users/jamieo/. I've used this program for several things and it will create keyboard mappings. You can create and save as many mappings as you want. Make sure you turn off the local keyboard control on the S-50 (or other keyboard) first. BTW: This program is great and free! I can't believe Jamie is giving this software away free. Anyone doing MIDI with a PC needs it. Brian > On Tue, 5 May 1998, John Stuart wrote: > > > Adam wrote: > > > > What I realised later was that you could use the `loop' function in > > the W30 sequencer (also the MC500 and maybe MC300?) to record > > multiple takes on the same track, while changing midi channel (and > > therefore drum patch) for each take. Note that the drum patches are > > on *different* MIDI channels. This gives you the desired effect: > > multiple drum patches and therefore much wider choice of drum kits. > > Yes, you would have to record each drum once at a time, but if you > > start with bass drum it should be OK. > > > > > Hmm, this may be a difference between the older and newer Roland > samplers. On the S-760, you can have 32 patches per performance > (song), and each patch can have any MIDI channel... You could set all > 32 slots to channel 10, if you had that many patches with their own > isolated note numbers (or if you wanted that wicked fat layered > sound...) > > Do the older models have a restriction of one patch per MIDI channel? > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 5 12:15:19 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193671-7654>; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:13:05 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193677-7654>; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:12:57 -0400 Received: from gate.net (miafl2-22.gate.net [199.227.35.85]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA64916; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: <354F4A30.6D101A66@gate.net> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:19:46 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Harvey , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk If each patch had assignmnents accross the keyboard, it doesn't make sense to put them all of the patches on the same midi channel. -adam- Steve Harvey wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 1998, John Stuart wrote: > > > Hmm, this may be a difference between the older and newer Roland samplers. > On the S-760, you can have 32 patches per performance (song), and each > patch can have any MIDI channel... You could set all 32 slots to channel > 10, if you had that many patches with their own isolated note numbers (or > if you wanted that wicked fat layered sound...) > > Do the older models have a restriction of one patch per MIDI channel? > > -- > <--/---\------76-cols-----------------^-----Your-Name-Here----Something----> > / Small*<-Perth Make Your Very 4 rows email@address.here witty some > / Ascii \ Own Signature File! | Profession Here dead guy > \ Picture / Follow The Instructions v Other Personal Info said here > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 5 12:31:06 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-13830>; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:27:56 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-7654>; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:27:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01961; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:25:08 -0400 From: Steve Harvey To: Adam cc: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits In-Reply-To: <354F4A30.6D101A66@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 May 1998, Adam wrote: > If each patch had assignmnents accross the keyboard, it doesn't make sense to > put them all of the patches on the same midi channel. > -adam- Probably not if they're drums, but you can build up some great layered sounds that way... Besides, when does something have to "make sense" to be musically useful? It just has to sound good... ;-) -- <--/---\------76-cols-----------------^-----Your-Name-Here----Something----> / Small*<-Perth Make Your Very 4 rows email@address.here witty some / Ascii \ Own Signature File! | Profession Here dead guy \ Picture / Follow The Instructions v Other Personal Info said here - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 7 15:44:41 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-2415>; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:42:36 -0400 Received: from l2.Lonet.ca ([207.134.187.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-2415>; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:42:26 -0400 Received: from lonet.ca ([207.134.187.139]) by l2.Lonet.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11602) with ESMTP id AAA142 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:32:16 -0400 Message-ID: <35520E6D.83E03013@lonet.ca> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:41:34 -0400 From: Paul Gingerich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SGroup - Submissions Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits References: <01IWM8OK7Q9U8WXLWY@mail2.new-york.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Would anybody recommend this for an S-550? I was thinking about it, but I've only got two banks to work with, eh? That leaves my options something like, say, kicks with snares, or a smaller combined selection of kicks/snares, with a vox bank. Kinda cheesy if, later, you just want to add in a hat sample or something. So far, I've just been doing each kit as I need it, which is damn time-consuming. ;) [Aside: Is there any kind of drag & drop Windows interface that will write a S-compatable disk? Any programmers out there workin' on something?] Paul ============================== Jeremy Roberts wrote: > Yes. Use individual patches per instrument... this allows output routing > at the performance level, etc... > > This is how roland does it on their factory roms as well.... > > It really works great this way... AND considering many 3rd party > libraries have standardized on "roland naming conventions" (and note > mapping), it makes it simple to bring in that perfect snare or > whatever.... > > *shameless plug alert* > > Yes, Sampleheads libraries adhere to "Roland standard drum mapping > conventions". > > jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 12 01:10:20 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-8657>; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:09:05 -0400 Received: from onondaga.gate.net ([198.206.134.31]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193684-8656>; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:08:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (dfbfl4-36.gate.net [199.227.117.36]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA10102 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:02:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3557E91F.488AA023@gate.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 02:16:01 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: sgroup Jaz drive/Mac/S760 problem! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I have my Jaz drive, Mac, S-760, EZ135, and scanner on the same scsi chain. I never have this problem w/the EZ135, but I just tried formatting a Jaz disk for the S760, now, everytime I try inserting the cart, the mac wants to initialize or eject the disk. I'm really p-o'd about this. How do I eliminate the problem w/out disconnecting my whole scsi chain? -adam- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 12 02:24:35 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-8657>; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:24:05 -0400 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu ([128.32.25.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-8657>; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:23:55 -0400 Received: from [136.152.26.34] (clkhomeip.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.26.34]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05873; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3557E91F.488AA023@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 3.0 for Macintosh Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:31:38 -0400 To: statik@gate.net, sgroup From: Chris Kirkham Subject: Re: sgroup Jaz drive/Mac/S760 problem! Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Jaz drives don't work well with the 760, Roland LA confirmed my experience. jaz drives are total junk, I would sell it as quick as I could. I used one for Audio on my Mac for a while and it brought me a lot of heartache as well. BTW, scanners are SCSI trouble too. CHris >I have my Jaz drive, Mac, S-760, EZ135, and scanner on the same scsi >chain. I never have this problem w/the EZ135, but I just tried >formatting a Jaz disk for the S760, now, everytime I try inserting the >cart, the mac wants to initialize or eject the disk. I'm really p-o'd >about this. How do I eliminate the problem w/out disconnecting my whole >scsi chain? >-adam- > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca !*********V***********!CHRIS KIRKHAM!*********N************! 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In-Reply-To: <3557E91F.488AA023@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Reluctant sale due to imminent move and cash pressures: Roland S760 sampler, 12MB RAM, 2x CD-ROM drive, huge sample library including original Digital Boy CD-ROM set & lots of audio CDs, boxed with manuals......... UKP999 Roland JV1080 synth module, boxed with manuals...... UKP699 Mackie 1202 mixer, 2*FX send+return, boxed with manuals....... UKP299 Novation BassStation, boxed with manuals....... UKP199 Roland PC200 MIDI master keyboard, pitch bend, modulation, data slider, boxed with manual.... UKP99 SKB 4u flight-case, boxed.... UKP59 Midiman MidiThru 1-in-4-out MIDI interface, boxed with manual.... UKP25 All mint condition, used only by me (and not very much). Offers considered, especially if selling more than one unit. Buyer pays shipping. Convert UKP<--->$ at current rates. Call Ian (Cambridge,UK) on (+44/0) 1223 494991 (work) (+44/0) 1223 312945 (home) or email me at ihh@sanger.ac.uk Ian Holmes - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 12 11:54:25 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-28349>; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:51:59 -0400 Received: from onondaga.gate.net ([198.206.134.31]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-28349>; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:51:49 -0400 Received: from gate.net (dfbfl4-90.gate.net [199.227.117.90]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA87000; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:45:26 -0400 Message-ID: <35587FCF.444B1725@gate.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:58:57 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Norman , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Jaz drive/Mac/S760 problem! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Thank you Jim, BTW, I've never had this problem w/the EZ135 & non-mac formatted disks...maybe other will want to try it! Jim Norman wrote: > Macintoshs can not read S-760 formatted drives. You need to disabled the > init (probably the Iomega init, use a different extension setup when using > the JAZ drive the sampler) for the JAZ drive otherwise the Mac will always > spit the disk out because of this. This is normal. I don't know how your > EZ135 drive got away with it, but this is normal for non-Mac or PC > formatted disks. This will happen with 700 Series CD-ROMs as well. I use my > JAZ drive with a SCSI switcher so that I can share it with my Mac and > samplers. JAZ drives work fine with the S-760 I've been using one for the > past two years. > > >I have my Jaz drive, Mac, S-760, EZ135, and scanner on the same scsi > >chain. I never have this problem w/the EZ135, but I just tried > >formatting a Jaz disk for the S760, now, everytime I try inserting the > >cart, the mac wants to initialize or eject the disk. I'm really p-o'd > >about this. How do I eliminate the problem w/out disconnecting my whole > >scsi chain? > >-adam- > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 12 19:40:02 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-15767>; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:38:13 -0400 Received: from mail.airmail.net ([206.66.12.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193680-15767>; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:38:03 -0400 Received: from [207.136.60.95] from [207.136.60.95] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with esmtp for sender: id ; Tue, 12 May 98 18:37:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: omz23@mail.airmail.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3557E91F.488AA023@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:37:45 -0400 To: sgroup From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup Jaz drive/Mac/S760 problem! Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >I have my Jaz drive, Mac, S-760, EZ135, and scanner on the same scsi >chain. I never have this problem w/the EZ135, but I just tried >formatting a Jaz disk for the S760, now, everytime I try inserting the >cart, the mac wants to initialize or eject the disk. I'm really p-o'd >about this. How do I eliminate the problem w/out disconnecting my whole >scsi chain? I sometimes have this problem as well, except with a Zip. The easy solution? Simply stick in the zip (or jaz), do what you need to do with it-save, load, whatever, and then let the mac eject it...even though the mac wants to spit it out immediately, while it is in the drive it can be accessed by the 760. I would never try to hook up a scanner in my scsi chain with the 760...too buggy...I have enough amomalies with a mac/cd/zip/760 setup, my scanner just complicates things. And besides, if a device is in the chain, it should be turned on, and I wouldn't want to have to turn on the 760 every time I wanted to use the computer. my .02 _______________________________________________________ OMZ Beautamous Loaf Int'l Records - http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW - http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed May 13 16:49:45 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193694-27886>; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:48:06 -0400 Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193680-27885>; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:47:53 -0400 Received: from (grifgraf.demon.co.uk) [194.222.88.198] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yZiRH-0006QP-00; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:47:47 +0100 Message-ID: <3558C3EB.20C18AA5@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:49:36 -0400 From: pete Reply-To: pete@grifgraf.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Drum kits References: <01IWM8OK7Q9U8WXLWY@mail2.new-york.net> <35520E6D.83E03013@lonet.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Oh oh oh... Thanks for all your suggestions on this topic, boys and girls. The public and private concensus, if anyone's curious, seems to be in favour of the kits-made-of-multiple-patches approach. So that's my next few weeks' spare time spoken for... Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed May 13 21:08:08 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193698-29591>; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:06:58 -0400 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu ([198.82.160.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-25818>; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:06:45 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19895 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcurran.vt.edu (as2511-30.sl012.cns.vt.edu [128.173.36.209]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA07094 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006c01bd7ed5$3a74aa20$6e26ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> From: "Doc Martein" To: Subject: sgroup S-550 Hype Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:10:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I really like these samplers. I bought one last summer to use for breaks and I have not been disappointed at all. The 8 point EG filter is very dynamic even though it is digital, plus it's 8 parts multi-timberal so I can pitch bend each of the break patches I setup. I also use this sampler to sample sounds from my Juno, which is like making it multi-timberal. I have read about the S-550 and I think its underrated. I think that it could be due to the way I use it though. I have not had that much experience with sampling acoustic stuff. Does anybody else use the S-550 for breaks or think that it's a great buy? I have set up a little web page for S-550 users (mostly info and stuff) if anyone has any suggestions on anything I should add to it please let me know. I was thinking about adding some of my samples via sdisk, if anyone is interested. http://www.vt.edu:10021/D/drmartin/ peace martin drmartein@vt.edu - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 14 06:34:30 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193695-5020>; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:27:32 -0400 Received: from oznet11.ozemail.com.au ([203.2.192.118]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-5020>; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:27:25 -0400 Received: from dwalters (slcan5p07.ozemail.com.au [203.108.193.23]) by oznet11.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA18140; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:25:16 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <355AC67D.EC6@ozemail.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:25:01 -0400 From: Dennis Reply-To: dwalters@ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ronen Hillel CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup i want out References: <008b01bd741f$ac8ef4a0$18c8cbc7@ronen_h> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Me too please Ronen Hillel wrote: > > i want out of the list > > thank you > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 14 10:11:49 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-5021>; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:10:08 -0400 Received: from acs6.bu.edu ([128.197.152.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-5020>; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:10:04 -0400 Received: from bu.edu (PPP-96-34.BU.EDU [128.197.9.216]) by acs6.bu.edu (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id KAA222368; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:09:58 -0400 Message-ID: <355A98E0.A203FB89@bu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:10:24 -0400 From: Benjamin Ang Reply-To: bangg@bu.edu Organization: Boston University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doc Martein CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Hype References: <006c01bd7ed5$3a74aa20$6e26ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I've been using the S-330 (half the S-550) for basically the same functions - breaks and analog sounds - and I'm very happy with it too. Although the S-330 and S-550 don't have 48 KHz like the Akai, and are therefore not as sharp in the high freqs, they have great bass end. If anyone on this list is in Singapore in August, our band Terabyte will be performing at the National University of Singapore, electronica and techno material, free. Drop me an email. Benjamin Ang Terabyte Doc Martein wrote: > > I really like these samplers. I bought one last summer to use for breaks > and I have not been disappointed at all. The 8 point EG filter is very > dynamic even though it is digital, plus it's 8 parts multi-timberal so I can > pitch bend each of the break patches I setup. I also use this sampler to > sample sounds from my Juno, which is like making it multi-timberal. I have > read about the S-550 and I think its underrated. I think that it could be > due to the way I use it though. I have not had that much experience with > sampling acoustic stuff. Does anybody else use the S-550 for breaks or > think that it's a great buy? > > I have set up a little web page for S-550 users (mostly info and stuff) if > anyone has any suggestions on anything I should add to it please let me > know. I was thinking about adding some of my samples via sdisk, if anyone > is interested. > > http://www.vt.edu:10021/D/drmartin/ > > peace > martin > drmartein@vt.edu > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Ang MBA/MS-MIS 1999 Webmaster & Associate, Electronic Music Lab Chief Editor, The Spreadsheet MBA Newsletter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 14 18:24:43 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-27963>; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:18:18 -0400 Received: from netgate.co.nz ([202.37.78.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-27963>; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:18:12 -0400 Received: from [202.50.164.128] (128.magic.gen.nz [202.50.164.128]) by netgate.co.nz (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA02734 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:17:57 +1200 X-Sender: craigus@mail.netgate.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006c01bd7ed5$3a74aa20$6e26ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:21:05 -0400 To: sgroup From: Craig Harris Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Hype Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >...Does anybody else use the S-550 for breaks or >think that it's a great buy? I use the S-50 for drum and bass - the sound is great, but unlike the 550 and 330, it has _no_ filters :( I've noticed with sending volume while breaks are playing it can stutter a bit. Do you have the same problem on the S-550? How are filters in real-time control as well Cheers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Harris | craigus@netgate.co.nz or visit my web site RAMM Consultant | http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/9297 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Motto: ** Mercy is free. Sin has a cost. Shop smart! ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri May 15 17:34:48 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193702-13276>; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:33:09 -0400 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu ([198.82.160.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-2568>; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:33:07 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22445 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcurran.vt.edu (as5200-5.sl007.cns.vt.edu [128.173.38.22]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25257 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 17:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006a01bd8049$c9738140$1626ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> From: "Doc Martein" To: Subject: sgroup S-550 Filter/Shuttering Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:38:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >I use the S-50 for drum and bass - the sound is great, but unlike the 550 >and 330, it has _no_ filters :( >I've noticed with sending volume while breaks are playing it can stutter a bit. >Do you have the same problem on the S-550? How are filters in real-time >control as well I have not noticed any shuttering problems with the S-550. Sometimes I get a little lag from my computer's sequencer which may cause little timing inconsistencies like when playing a 1/32 note drum roll at say 173BPM while sending System Exclusive stuff. But this was solved when I record the sequence to my Alesis Data Disk or my MC-303 and quantize it. I think that computers are known for sketchy Midi Clocks when dealing with a lot of data. Something you might want to check is how far down the midi chain your S-50 is. Sometimes this can make a difference, if you have 4 or more things chained together you might notice some lag/shuttering the farther down the chain you go. The filter in the S-550 can't be controlled in real time from the front panel unless you are in edit mode and just want to play that one sample and edit its cutoff and res in the TVF section. However, you can assign the cutoff of a sample to velocity (when I do this I turn off the velocity controlled amplitude) and set the level curve of the velocity effect (linear or exponential). The S-550 also excepts System Exclusive Messages to program it in real time using a sequencer that can transmit these messages. I have been working on a S-550 mixer map for Cubase which can do just this. peace martin drmartein@vt.edu http://www.vt.edu:10021/D/drmartin/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri May 15 20:10:08 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-13276>; Fri, 15 May 1998 20:09:29 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-16446>; Fri, 15 May 1998 20:09:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08095; Fri, 15 May 1998 20:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:06:14 -0400 From: Steve Harvey To: Doc Martein cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Filter/Shuttering In-Reply-To: <006a01bd8049$c9738140$1626ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Fri, 15 May 1998, Doc Martein wrote: > Something you might want to check is how far down the midi chain your S-50 > is. Sometimes this can make a difference, if you have 4 or more things > chained together you might notice some lag/shuttering the farther down the > chain you go. Actually, there was a huge discussion about this on another list I'm on (Cakewalk list), and the consensus was that a module's position in a MIDI daisy chain does *not* matter. That is, if you have 16 synths chained together on the same MIDI port (out-to-in or MIDI thru), and send a note, it doesn't matter if you send a note to the first synth in the chain or the 16th, so far as latency is concerned. As long as everything is wired properly, the signal will travel through the chain at the speed of electricity, and I would imagine the delay would be in the order of nanoseconds. Of course, more synths in the chain means there will probably be more data in the pipe at any given moment, and too large a flow of data WILL cause delays/problems as most of us know. But the delay is a factor of exceeding the bandwidth of the pipe, not of how many "hops" the signal has to make down the chain. -Steve -- <--/---\------76-cols-----------------^-----Your-Name-Here----Something----> / Small*<-Perth Make Your Very 4 rows email@address.here witty some / Ascii \ Own Signature File! | Profession Here dead guy \ Picture / Follow The Instructions v Other Personal Info said here - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat May 16 07:51:07 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193693-26115>; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:49:47 -0400 Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-26115>; Sat, 16 May 1998 07:49:37 -0400 Received: from phase4.demon.co.uk ([194.222.206.17]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2013237; 16 May 98 11:39 GMT X-Sender: phase4@pop3.demon.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:43:06 -0400 To: sgroup From: Finnur Bjornsson Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Filter/Shuttering Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >> Something you might want to check is how far down the midi chain your S-50 >> is. Sometimes this can make a difference, if you have 4 or more things >> chained together you might notice some lag/shuttering the farther down the >> chain you go. >Actually, there was a huge discussion about this on another list I'm on >(Cakewalk list), and the consensus was that a module's position in a MIDI >daisy chain does *not* matter. That is, if you have 16 synths chained >together on the same MIDI port (out-to-in or MIDI thru), and send a note, >it doesn't matter if you send a note to the first synth in the chain or >the 16th, so far as latency is concerned. As long as everything is wired >properly, the signal will travel through the chain at the speed of >electricity, and I would imagine the delay would be in the order of >nanoseconds. > >Of course, more synths in the chain means there will probably be more data >in the pipe at any given moment, and too large a flow of data WILL cause >delays/problems as most of us know. But the delay is a factor of >exceeding the bandwidth of the pipe, not of how many "hops" the signal has >to make down the chain. --- --- --- MIDI-thru is a IC circuit process and the MIDI-thru port provides an exact copy of the signal coming into MIDI-in. There is unavoidable delay involved in the process, depending on the type of the circuit and the quality of the components, although the delay might be insignificant. The main risk using a MIDI-thru daisy chain is the risk of data loss or corruption as a copy will hardly ever be better than the original. Each instrument added to the chain will increase the risk of error. If I ever have to daisy chain my instruments I try to connect older synths to the end of the chain. I once had troubles with a MIDI chain(missing note off messages, stuck pitch-bends, corrupted sysex, etc.) until I moved my Juno-106 to the end of the chain. Finnur - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sun May 17 02:13:17 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193707-1927>; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:08:41 -0400 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu ([198.82.160.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193702-1927>; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:08:34 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18519 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcurran.vt.edu (as5200-11.sl060.cns.vt.edu [128.173.39.63]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA13869 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201bd815b$299e7720$3f27ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> From: "Doc Martein" To: Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Filter/Shuttering Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:54:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >MIDI-thru is a IC circuit process and the MIDI-thru port provides an exact >copy of the signal coming into MIDI-in. There is unavoidable delay involved >in the process, depending on the type of the circuit and the quality of the >components, although the delay might be insignificant. The main risk using >a MIDI-thru daisy chain is the risk of data loss or corruption as a copy will >hardly ever be better than the original. Each instrument added to the chain >will increase the risk of error. > >If I ever have to daisy chain my instruments I try to connect older synths to >the end of the chain. I once had troubles with a MIDI chain(missing note off >messages, stuck pitch-bends, corrupted sysex, etc.) until I moved my Juno-106 >to the end of the chain. Another thing I would watch out for is the length of the midi cables. I used to have a few synths on the other side of my room and I built some of my own midi cables (16' long) to reach them. I had built cables before and had no problems but this time I started to get stuck notes. I guess that some IC circuits (mentioned above) in older synths may send slightly weaker signals then newer synths. peace martin drmartein@vt.edu http://www.vt.edu:10021/D/drmartin/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sun May 17 18:35:43 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-1928>; Sun, 17 May 1998 18:28:45 -0400 Received: from netgate.co.nz ([202.37.78.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-1928>; Sun, 17 May 1998 18:28:38 -0400 Received: from [202.50.164.125] (125.magic.gen.nz [202.50.164.125]) by netgate.co.nz (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA22317 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:25:17 +1200 X-Sender: craigus@mail.netgate.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006a01bd8049$c9738140$1626ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:28:50 -0400 To: sgroup From: Craig Harris Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Filter/Shuttering Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >>I use the S-50 for drum and bass - the sound is great, but unlike the 550 >>and 330, it has _no_ filters :( >>I've noticed with sending volume while breaks are playing it can stutter a >bit. >>Do you have the same problem on the S-550? How are filters in real-time >>control as well > >I have not noticed any shuttering problems with the S-550. Sometimes I get >a little lag from my computer's sequencer which may cause little timing >inconsistencies like when playing a 1/32 note drum roll at say 173BPM while >sending System Exclusive stuff. But this was solved when I record the >sequence to my Alesis Data Disk or my MC-303 and quantize it. I think that >computers are known for sketchy Midi Clocks when dealing with a lot of data. >Something you might want to check is how far down the midi chain your S-50 >is. Sometimes this can make a difference, if you have 4 or more things >chained together you might notice some lag/shuttering the farther down the >chain you go. I've got the s50 on one of the 3 ouputs on my midi interface. using a 2 metre cable - no problems with sysex, pitch bend, modulation, timing on notes. I think the s50 is just old and when its got a total of 10 or 16 notes coming in on 3 or 4 channels with one simple volume change (eg. 120, then 60 not even a fade) it slightly stutters. Any other S50 owners with this??? Cheers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Harris | craigus@netgate.co.nz or visit my web site RAMM Consultant | http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/9297 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Motto: ** Mercy is free. Sin has a cost. Shop smart! ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 18 02:20:28 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193695-7865>; Mon, 18 May 1998 02:18:47 -0400 Received: from mail.cityweb.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-7865>; Mon, 18 May 1998 02:18:36 -0400 Received: from 195.71.96.252 (dtmd-m96-252.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.252]) by mail.cityweb.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id IAA03354 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:18:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <355DDE9B.5EC@cww.de> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:44:45 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Filter/Shuttering References: <006a01bd8049$c9738140$1626ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Doc Martein wrote: > or exponential). The S-550 also excepts System Exclusive Messages to > program it in real time using a sequencer that can transmit these messages. > I have been working on a S-550 mixer map for Cubase which can do just this. The S-550/S-330 filter cutoff can be controlled in real time by MIDI aftertouch too. SysEx control is more complicated, since the sampler has no edit buffer, so the SysEx message has to contain the information which of the Patches is concerned. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 18 02:29:23 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193708-7864>; Mon, 18 May 1998 02:29:08 -0400 Received: from ridge.spiritone.com ([205.139.108.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-7864>; Mon, 18 May 1998 02:29:02 -0400 Received: from vucqpqlj (m6-7.spiritone.com [205.139.109.7]) by ridge.spiritone.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA04555 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <355FD583.73F1@spiritone.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 02:30:27 -0400 From: Wayne Thompson Reply-To: synsin@spiritone.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup New S760 User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi, I am a new Roland S760 user (got it two days ago!) So far I really like the sounds and the monitor option (included in purchase and it has 32 megs in it) Are there any good sites for sounds for this? I have access to a CDROM library and I was thinking of getting a hard drive for it.... zip seems to much work. Also is there a way to convert ensoniq sounds over to it? I have access to some of them. Can anyone reccomend a good CDROM driive for it? Preferably rackmount but I could live with a table top. Any help would be appreciated. I also did not get a manual.... does anyone want to copy theirs for me? I would pay for copying and shipping or course. Thanx again. -- Thanx Wayne - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon May 18 15:10:19 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-28924>; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:08:29 -0400 Received: from mx2.global.co.za ([196.3.167.158]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-28924>; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:08:23 -0400 Received: from syn45.anx9.riva.gia.net.za ([209.88.78.45] helo=lin01.global.co.za) by mx2.global.co.za with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca id 0ybRGD-0004fR-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 16:51:30 +0200 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Terry" To: sgroup Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:54:37 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Filter/Shuttering Reply-to: evaluna@global.co.za X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Martin, > The filter in the S-550 can't be controlled in real time from the front > panel unless you are in edit mode and just want to play that one sample and > edit its cutoff and res in the TVF section. However, you can assign the > cutoff of a sample to velocity (when I do this I turn off the velocity > controlled amplitude) and set the level curve of the velocity effect (linear > or exponential). The S-550 also excepts System Exclusive Messages to > program it in real time using a sequencer that can transmit these messages. > I have been working on a S-550 mixer map for Cubase which can do just this. > You can also assign filter cutoff to be controlled by aftertouch, as i'm sure you know. This lets you do some things not possible by velocity control alone. > peace > martin Terry Engelbrecht evaluna@global.co.za http://home.global.co.za/~evaluna Reality is whatever your brain tells you it is. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 19 10:47:11 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-14314>; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:44:57 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-14315>; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:44:45 -0400 Received: from banyan.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.15]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id KAA29073; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by banyan.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id KAA05679; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Comments: KAA05679 on banyan (hop 0), Tue, 19 May 1998 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:44:23 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@banyan To: Benjamin Ang cc: Doc Martein , sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Hype In-Reply-To: <355A98E0.A203FB89@bu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > I've been using the S-330 (half the S-550) for basically the same > functions - breaks and analog sounds - and I'm very happy with it too. me too. s-330 for breakbeats and sampling effected guitar sounds. hehe, anything that goes "boom" or "skreee" mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 19 18:02:22 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193689-9950>; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:02:13 -0400 Received: from apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com ([163.185.72.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-9950>; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:02:11 -0400 Received: by apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: <8AF646AA0CCCD111AD140060089047DF08B636@apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com> From: "Grubbs, Dan" To: "'sgroup@lists.uunet.ca'" Subject: sgroup W-30 SCSI Kit Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:02:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know where I can find an upgrade kit for SCSI (called > KW-30) on the Roland W-30? > > Thanks, > > Dan Grubbs > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed May 20 00:51:17 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193697-25899>; Wed, 20 May 1998 00:46:31 -0400 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu ([128.32.25.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-25899>; Wed, 20 May 1998 00:46:21 -0400 Received: from [136.152.26.34] (clkhomeip.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.26.34]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14993 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 21:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:46:15 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 3.0 for Macintosh To: sgroup From: Chris Kirkham Subject: Re: sgroup New S760 User: CDROM drive Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >Hi, >I am a new Roland S760 user (got it two days ago!) >So far I really like the sounds and the monitor option (included in >purchase and it has 32 megs in it) >Are there any good sites for sounds for this? I have access to a CDROM >library and I was thinking of getting a hard drive for it.... zip seems >to much work. Also is there a way to convert ensoniq sounds over to >it? I have access to some of them. Can anyone reccomend a good CDROM >driive for it? the Plextor 32X works nicely and reads CDRW on the S760 Preferably rackmount but I could live with a table top. >Any help would be appreciated. I also did not get a manual.... does >anyone want to copy theirs for me? I would pay for copying and shipping >or course. Thanx again. >-- >Thanx >Wayne > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca !*********V***********!CHRIS KIRKHAM!*********N************! Industrial hygiene & industrial/electronic/soundtrack music !*********T***********!(510)665-1986!*********X************! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed May 20 13:40:45 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193693-25900>; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:36:35 -0400 Received: from hil-img-10.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.140]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-18742>; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:36:27 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id NAA21742 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:35:56 -0400 From: Stefano Daino Subject: sgroup New D-SoundPRO web pages To: Roland User List Message-ID: <199805201336_MC2-3DAA-EC20@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, I put the new D-SoundPRO official site on the web. It is at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/sdaino D-SoundPRO is an audio graphical editor for Mac/PowerMacs supporting most= samplers by MIDI and SCSI. Now on the web you find some D-SoundPRO screen= snapshots, the whole user manual, links for downloads and more... but I'm= sorry for my terrible English. Any comments will be very appreciate. Ciao Stefano Daino the author of D-SoundPRO sdaino@compuserve.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed May 20 15:14:11 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193693-25900>; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:13:39 -0400 Received: from apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com ([163.185.72.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-25900>; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:13:36 -0400 Received: by apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:13:19 -0500 Message-ID: <8AF646AA0CCCD111AD140060089047DF08B639@apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com> From: "Grubbs, Dan" To: 'Roland User List' Subject: sgroup W-30 SCSI Kit Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:13:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know where I can find an upgrade kit for SCSI (called > KW-30) on the Roland W-30? > > Thanks, > > Dan Grubbs > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 21 16:20:25 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-8741>; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:18:35 -0400 Received: from lohi.clinet.fi ([194.100.0.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8741>; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:18:24 -0400 Received: from captain.clinet.fi (96-55.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.96.55]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA28885 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:18:52 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <002e01bd84f5$f2bbf4a0$376064c2@captain.clinet.fi> From: "Markus Kaarlonen" To: "SGroup" Subject: sgroup s760 filter problem Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:20:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I have a very annoying problem with my S760. I'm using the controller wheel to modulate the filter cutoff frequency of an instrument with drum loops and fills (just play with the mod wheel, add some delay, and you have nice "Frozen"-type fills! :). The base cutoff freq of the partials is set to 64, and the modulation range is 64, so I can access the whole cutoff frequency range with the wheel. The problem is this: Sometimes when I set the wheel to 0 (filter closed), and play the instrument, the sample starts with the filter OPEN (propably at 64), and after playing like 0.05 seconds the filter suddenly closes, or jumps to the position where it should be. This causes a very nasty click in the beginning of the sample. This happens usually when s760 has to play some other sounds at the same time. Now, this _can't_ be a MIDI thing, because I'm sending the "MOD wheel to 0" command much before the actual note to s760. So s760 "knows" the mod wheel is at zero, and the cutoff SHOULD be at zero, but seems like it starts playing the sample, and only after that notices: "oops, the mod wheel is at zero, and because it's modulating the cutoff freq, that should be at zero too!".. but then it's too late, and we hear the beginning of the sample with the filter open. Anyone had the same problem? Or know how to fix it? (2.24, 32meg, mouse+monitor) Markus "Captain" Kaarlonen "A film is - or should be - more like music M2 Productions than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods m2.musicmakers.fi and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the captain@clinet.fi meaning, all that comes later." -- Stanley Kubrick - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 21 17:47:35 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-8741>; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:44:14 -0400 Received: from smtp0-alterdial.uu.net ([192.48.96.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8742>; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:44:04 -0400 Received: from pop0-alterdial.uu.net by smtp0-alterdial.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop0-alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.27]) id QQeqjm20145; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:43:53 GMT Received: from [208.200.211.254] by pop0-alterdial.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [208.200.211.254]) id QQeqjm02234; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:43:46 GMT Message-Id: Received: from 208.200.211.209 by 208.200.211.254 with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for MacOS 1.0.2); 21 MAY 98 14:43:21 UT Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:52:13 -0400 From: Dan Phillips Subject: RE: sgroup s760 filter problem To: Markus Kaarlonen , SGroup X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Dan Phillips Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I have found what might be a similar problem with the amplitude envelopes; when modulating attack time (such as on drum sounds), sometimes *one side* of the stereo sample will come up with a different attack time than the other - presumably, one side pays attention to the modulation, while the other does not. This has been more apparent in some OS versions that others; can't remember the details right now (such as which one was better or worse...) - Dan - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri May 22 21:31:31 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-16222>; Fri, 22 May 1998 21:29:20 -0400 Received: from mailq1.ncal.verio.com ([204.247.247.43]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-16223>; Fri, 22 May 1998 21:29:16 -0400 Received: from shell.wco.com (ai@shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by mailq1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA25287 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ai@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) id SAA26960; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:29:09 -0400 From: ai Message-Id: <199805230129.SAA26960@shell.wco.com> To: sgroup Subject: sgroup DMX samples wanted Cc: ai@shell.wco.com Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hello, Does anyone have samples of the DMX in Akai or Roland format? Thanks in advance . - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 26 14:33:17 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-8310>; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:28:56 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com ([192.100.81.130]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8310>; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:28:49 -0400 Received: from [192.0.2.1] (interval@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with SMTP id LAA12347 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805261828.LAA12347@netcom17.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:28:28 -0400 To: sgroup From: interval@netcom.com (Scott Morgan) Subject: sgroup FS: Atari ST Color Monitor Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk This is the model that can be fully dimmed for use w/ Roland S7xx series. Includes Roland video cable. Excellent cond - unused for the last 8 years. $75 fob Los Angeles, CA. More info & other studio, synths, misc FS: http://www.imuse.com/4sale regards, Scott Morgan --- Interval Music Systems --- http://www.imuse.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 26 15:01:45 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-8310>; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:01:13 -0400 Received: from laserfiche.com ([206.83.178.34]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8310>; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:01:02 -0400 Received: by cerberus.laserfiche.com id <12545>; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:04:07 -0700 Message-Id: <98May26.120407pdt.12545@cerberus.laserfiche.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:08:04 -0400 From: Peter Wayman To: sgroup Subject: sgroup speaking of monitors... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Speaking of monitors, I was thinking it would be nice to use the color output on my s-550. Ideally I would like to use my VGA monitor. This way I wouldn't have to balance my monochrome monitor on top of my computer's monitor - I would just use a switchbox... So, does anyone know if I can connect a VGA monitor to this output? If not, is there some kind of convertor available to do so? OR, is it at least possible to convert the MONOCHROME output into a VGA signal? I suppose one way to do it would be to use a VGA to TV convertor, and then use a tv as both my computer's and sampler's monitor. But In my experience, the resolution would be lacking. Also, do these specs change between different models of sampler? :Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 26 15:44:49 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-8310>; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:44:16 -0400 Received: from acs6.bu.edu ([128.197.152.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-7135>; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:44:04 -0400 Received: from bu.edu (COMM595-0203-059.BU.EDU [168.122.48.59]) by acs6.bu.edu (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA46976 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:44:01 -0400 Message-ID: <356B451C.1C1027A6@bu.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:41:32 -0400 From: Benjamin Ang Reply-To: bangg@bu.edu Organization: Boston University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup speaking of monitors... References: <98May26.120407pdt.12545@cerberus.laserfiche.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I've connected the monochrome output (RCA) to my TV's video-in jack (RCA) and I get a black & white display. I also get some ground hum, but it doesn't come out through headphones, so I use headphones for sampling, and I disconnect the TV when I record. Peter Wayman wrote: > > Speaking of monitors, I was thinking it would be nice to use the color > output on my s-550. Ideally I would like to use my VGA monitor. This way > I wouldn't have to balance my monochrome monitor on top of my > computer's monitor - I would just use a switchbox... > > So, does anyone know if I can connect a VGA monitor to this output? > If not, is there some kind of convertor available to do so? > OR, is it at least possible to convert the MONOCHROME output into a > VGA signal? > > I suppose one way to do it would be to use a VGA to TV convertor, and > then use a tv as both my computer's and sampler's monitor. But In my > experience, the resolution would be lacking. > > Also, do these specs change between different models of sampler? > > :Peter > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Ang MBA/MS-MIS 1999 Webmaster & Associate, Electronic Music Lab Chief Editor, The Spreadsheet MBA Newsletter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 26 15:45:39 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-7135>; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:44:07 -0400 Received: from acs6.bu.edu ([128.197.152.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-7135>; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:44:04 -0400 Received: from bu.edu (COMM595-0203-059.BU.EDU [168.122.48.59]) by acs6.bu.edu (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id PAA46976 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:44:01 -0400 Message-ID: <356B451C.1C1027A6@bu.edu> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:41:32 -0400 From: Benjamin Ang Reply-To: bangg@bu.edu Organization: Boston University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup speaking of monitors... References: <98May26.120407pdt.12545@cerberus.laserfiche.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I've connected the monochrome output (RCA) to my TV's video-in jack (RCA) and I get a black & white display. I also get some ground hum, but it doesn't come out through headphones, so I use headphones for sampling, and I disconnect the TV when I record. Peter Wayman wrote: > > Speaking of monitors, I was thinking it would be nice to use the color > output on my s-550. Ideally I would like to use my VGA monitor. This way > I wouldn't have to balance my monochrome monitor on top of my > computer's monitor - I would just use a switchbox... > > So, does anyone know if I can connect a VGA monitor to this output? > If not, is there some kind of convertor available to do so? > OR, is it at least possible to convert the MONOCHROME output into a > VGA signal? > > I suppose one way to do it would be to use a VGA to TV convertor, and > then use a tv as both my computer's and sampler's monitor. But In my > experience, the resolution would be lacking. > > Also, do these specs change between different models of sampler? > > :Peter > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Ang MBA/MS-MIS 1999 Webmaster & Associate, Electronic Music Lab Chief Editor, The Spreadsheet MBA Newsletter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue May 26 16:32:43 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-8310>; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:32:10 -0400 Received: from laserfiche.com ([206.83.178.34]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193677-8310>; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:32:03 -0400 Received: by cerberus.laserfiche.com id <12545>; Tue, 26 May 1998 13:35:16 -0700 Message-Id: <98May26.133516pdt.12545@cerberus.laserfiche.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:39:09 -0400 From: Peter Wayman To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup speaking of monitors... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Yes yes, but I'm trying to get the image to display on my computer monitor, so I can have only one CRT on my desk. I don't think I get any hum, though. :Peter >>> Benjamin Ang 05/26/98 03:41pm >>> I've connected the monochrome output (RCA) to my TV's video-in jack (RCA) and I get a black & white display. I also get some ground hum, but it doesn't come out through headphones, so I use headphones for sampling, and I disconnect the TV when I record. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Ang MBA/MS-MIS 1999 Webmaster & Associate, Electronic Music Lab Chief Editor, The Spreadsheet MBA Newsletter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed May 27 10:31:59 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-28152>; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:30:54 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-28152>; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:30:48 -0400 Received: from gate.net (miafl4-27.gate.net [199.227.35.218]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA204382; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:29:31 -0400 Message-ID: <356C2325.B2154D08@gate.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:28:53 -0400 From: Adam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wayman CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup speaking of monitors... References: <98May26.120407pdt.12545@cerberus.laserfiche.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Redmond sells a cable to connect the S-760, they may have one (or it may be the same one) for the 550. If you are looking to connect to the same monitor as your computer, you can use a switchbox to alternate back and forth (which, personally, I find cumbersome and worse than losing desk-space), or you could get a video input device (if you don't already have one) for your computer and using some software, display the sampler screen in its own window. Maybe someone else on the list can point you to the right software. -adam- Peter Wayman wrote: > Speaking of monitors, I was thinking it would be nice to use the color > output on my s-550. Ideally I would like to use my VGA monitor. This way > I wouldn't have to balance my monochrome monitor on top of my > computer's monitor - I would just use a switchbox... > > So, does anyone know if I can connect a VGA monitor to this output? > If not, is there some kind of convertor available to do so? > OR, is it at least possible to convert the MONOCHROME output into a > VGA signal? > > I suppose one way to do it would be to use a VGA to TV convertor, and > then use a tv as both my computer's and sampler's monitor. But In my > experience, the resolution would be lacking. > > Also, do these specs change between different models of sampler? > > :Peter > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed May 27 21:36:19 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-20317>; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:33:06 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-20317>; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:33:05 -0400 Received: from gate.net (dfbfl10-237.gate.net [199.227.103.237]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA120608 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:31:48 -0400 Message-ID: <356CCEA2.B340E941@gate.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:40:37 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: sgroup Midi repeat/delay - like Bars&Pipes??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Is there a way to have a midi repeat on a sequence as it is playing? I'm trying to get the same effect as putting the midi repeat tool on a track in Bars & Pipes, but on the mac. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed May 27 23:11:54 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-20317>; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:11:11 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-20317>; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:11:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14702; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:07:42 -0400 From: Steve Harvey To: Adam cc: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Midi repeat/delay - like Bars&Pipes??? In-Reply-To: <356CCEA2.B340E941@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 May 1998, Adam wrote: > Is there a way to have a midi repeat on a sequence as it is playing? > I'm trying to get the same effect as putting the midi repeat tool on a > track in Bars & Pipes, but on the mac. Hmm I never used B&P, but I think the answer to your question is "it depends". Technically, there is no such thing as a "sequence" or a "repeat" so far as the hardware MIDI spec is concerned... MIDI events are typically pretty low-level (i.e. a typical note consists of a 'note on' message followed some time later by a 'note off' message). Any higher level structures like melody, rhythm, etc. are dictated by the sequencer software you're using... I don't know what packages are on the Mac so I can't help you with specifics there. My own sequencer, Cakewalk Pro Audio, doesn't have a very sophisticated looping/repeat facility, but that's just because of its design... you can cut & paste a block of notes ad infinitum so it doesn't really matter that there's no repeat clip function per se... -- <--/---\------76-cols-----------------^-----Your-Name-Here----Something----> / Small*<-Perth Make Your Very 4 rows email@address.here witty some / Ascii \ Own Signature File! | Profession Here dead guy \ Picture / Follow The Instructions v Other Personal Info said here - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 28 08:04:42 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-7727>; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:03:14 -0400 Received: from bbs.cultura.com.br ([200.241.231.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-7726>; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:03:09 -0400 X-ROUTED: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:03:12 -0300 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Nsm Received: from nsm [200.241.231.149] by bbs.cultura.com.br with smtp id AJACDGDM ; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:02:54 -0300 From: "Cambui" To: Subject: sgroup Switchmaster and SCSI switcher Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:06:02 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd8a30$fc1156e0$0100007f@nsm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01BD8A17.D6C41EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BD8A17.D6C41EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Is anyone in this list using Switchmaster, a 4-way mouse and monitor = switching device for the S-760, made by=20 SHP Manufacturing? 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------=_NextPart_000_0048_01BD8A17.D6C41EE0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 28 08:47:49 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-7727>; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:47:28 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.16]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-7727>; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:47:22 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA24972 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:47:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805281247.HAA24972@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Received: from nyc-ny67-29.ix.netcom.com(209.109.225.157) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024919; Thu May 28 07:46:23 1998 Subject: Re: sgroup Switchmaster and SCSI switcher Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:44:24 -0400 x-sender: jeremy99@popd.ix.netcom.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jeremy Roberts To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >Is anyone in this list using Switchmaster, a 4-way mouse and monitor >switching device for the S-760, made by >SHP Manufacturing? And then? Does it work with NTSC/Video/S-Video >monitors? Do you know the price? Yes. I have a 16x switchmaster system with remote... it simply allows you to use one mouse and one monitor and view/control as many 760's as you have on line (up to 16). Yes, it sup[ports NTSC and/or RGB. The remote system is way cool as you only have a 4" x 4" x 2" swith box with 16 lighted switches on it... all the hardware can remain in your rack (in my case, in the machine room, 50 feet away). To my knowledge, it's no longer in production and is not available... I *may* consider selling my units once my new video patchbay is completed... >Also, how can I interface more than two S-760 with one CD-ROM drive, if >the S-760 has only one SCSI port? A SCSI switcher? Which one? Easy... assign unique scsi IDs to each 760, and REMOVE the internal termination of all devices except the ones on the end... I bought scsi splitters from APS (simply allows a daisy chain for devices that have only one port - I have extras, will consider selling a few)... and simply loaded up the chain... had 4 760s and 2 external scsi devices happily sharing one bus... HOWEVER, if more than 2 760s try to read from the same device at once, corruption of the load occured intermittently... so just be careful how many things you load at once. One at a time with some confiurations is best, but on shorter chains, 2 at a time is just fine. You can have 2 760's loading from the same cd-rom or hard drive simultaneously. Cool, huh? You CAN easily have 2 760s as bookends to a scsi chain no prob at all... they can also share the same system disk and initial volumes.... we do this at Jekyll & Hyde on Broadway.... and that's how I choose to run my system at the studio... 2 760s per chain, with a zip, cd-rom and fixed drive... if I need to share between pairs, i off-load to zip... I burn cdr of the zips per project.... it took me a long time to figure this data management method, and it's sort of brute force, but it's very elegant.... not as elegant as maybe a scsi switcher, but the redundancy is nice in case of failure (computer gear never breaks, does it?) Be very aware of scsi termination... it's not a science... it's voodoo... you may have to remove all termination, or only one device, etc... but try different combinations and ALWAYS work with hard drives with data you are prepared to lose at first... since until you perfect the scsi chain, you risk data corruption and directpry damage... BUT once you get it working happily, then it's rock solid. Sorry to be so long winded... this is one subject that I can contribute on big time... I still own about 32 760s, so networking them has become a little game over the years... :-) jr Jeremy Roberts SAMPLEHEADS, INC. 1600 Broadway, Suite 704 New York, NY 10019 tel: 212-262-3488 fax: 212-262-2009 jeremy@sampleheads.com http://www.sampleheads.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 28 10:53:04 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-7727>; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:52:42 -0400 Received: from mail.cityweb.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-7727>; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:52:36 -0400 Received: from 195.71.96.206 (dtmd-m96-206.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.206]) by mail.cityweb.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id QAA15180 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:52:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <356D469C.D3E@cww.de> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:12:30 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup speaking of monitors... References: <98May26.120407pdt.12545@cerberus.laserfiche.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Peter Wayman wrote: > > Speaking of monitors, I was thinking it would be nice to use the color > output on my s-550. Ideally I would like to use my VGA monitor. This way > I wouldn't have to balance my monochrome monitor on top of my > computer's monitor - I would just use a switchbox... The S-330's RGB output produces a video signal with 15.756kHz horizontal frequency and 60Hz vertical frequency. (This will most probably apply for the S-550 too, I think). Modern VGA monitors won't be able to work with such a low horizontal frequency, but maybe older VGA monitors will. Check the specs of your monitor. Also, the RGB output has TTL levels, so some attenuation (maybe just resistor dividers) may be necessary. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 28 11:15:39 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-7727>; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:14:44 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-7727>; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:14:34 -0400 Received: from gate.net (miafl3-10.gate.net [199.227.35.137]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA92560 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:13:31 -0400 Message-ID: <356D7EF5.1EAB4F8D@gate.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:12:54 -0400 From: Adam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca" Subject: sgroup Clarification - Midi repeat/delay question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk The Bars & Pipes tool would be visually placed on the end of the track (to indicate track output) and would take whatever note data was on the track and feed it (in real time) back through the midi chain at a user set number of times AND at the same velocity or increasing velocity or decreasing velocity. Punchmute was a tool, which would be graphically placed on the beginning or end of a track, that would (in real time) cause the volume of all notes currently playing on the track to switch to 0 when the user set keyboard note was depressed and come back on when the note was released. This is a great effect for an anologue synth sound and of course may other uses. I want to be able to do these functions w/the Mac. A few of you guyz suggested copying the note data and shifting it to the right. This could get the effect w/manual velocity adjustment, however, not in real time. In effect, you could not tap keys on your keyboard and hear the repeats. Bars and Pipes ran flawlessly on my 8 mhz Amiga 2000 w/5 megs of memory. There has to be a way to do this on the Mac, or some way to make a program to do it. Would it be possible for someone to make an effect for Cubase that would do this?...it has that modular aspect for audio tracks, couldn't an effect plug-in send midi events? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 28 11:29:00 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-7726>; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:28:38 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-7726>; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:28:28 -0400 Received: from banyan.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.15]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id LAA23657; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by banyan.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id LAA12735; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Comments: LAA12735 on banyan (hop 0), Thu, 28 May 1998 11:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:28:24 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@banyan To: Adam cc: "sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Clarification - Midi repeat/delay question In-Reply-To: <356D7EF5.1EAB4F8D@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk i once saw a hardware device that did midi delay, volume processing (velocity compression, expansion) it looked like a guitar pedal, but bigger and with an LCD mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu May 28 12:08:12 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-7726>; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:07:43 -0400 Received: from apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com ([163.185.72.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-7726>; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:07:37 -0400 Received: by apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:07:49 -0500 Message-ID: <8AF646AA0CCCD111AD140060089047DF08B64F@apc-trader.austin.apc.slb.com> From: "Grubbs, Dan" To: sgroup Subject: RE: sgroup Clarification - Midi repeat/delay question Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:07:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk MIDI is only the industry standard for serial communication between one MIDI device and another. Looping must be handeled by the controlling device's software or firmware code. With a Mac, get sequencing software that would allow you to repeat MIDI signals sent to your module. > -----Original Message----- > From: mike p [SMTP:hotrod@grove.ufl.edu] > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 10:28 AM > To: Adam > Cc: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup Clarification - Midi repeat/delay question > > > i once saw a hardware device that did midi delay, volume processing > (velocity compression, expansion) > > it looked like a guitar pedal, but bigger and with an LCD > > mike > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat May 30 15:20:28 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-23706>; Sat, 30 May 1998 15:19:04 -0400 Received: from aloha.romnet.com ([209.61.17.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-23706>; Sat, 30 May 1998 15:19:00 -0400 Received: from romnet.com ([209.61.17.75]) by aloha.romnet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA24179 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 15:19:49 -0400 Message-ID: <35705D9D.C30B65E1@romnet.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:27:25 -0400 From: ed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Director S-333 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk i used to have a manual for Director S that someone kindly sent to me but i lost it and never got a chance to thank the guy who sent it. but anyways.. is there any way in this sequencing program to add sometime of "swing" settings to the input values in microscope mode? i've tried to manually enter notes but i'm not getting the right "feel" for what i'm trying to do. i've looked through page after page in the program and i did find something called note offest but without the manual i forgot what it does. any help would be greatly appreiated because i'd rather just use this sequencer then buy something else...real low on funds right now. thanks... -pma - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca