From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 1 06:26:40 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-18205>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:24:22 -0500 Received: from mail.magi.com ([204.191.213.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-18205>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:24:06 -0500 Received: from (198.166.48.151) [198.166.48.151] by mail.magi.com with smtp (Exim 1.80 #5) id 0yKLe7-0000Om-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:25:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3521DDD6.7880@magi.com> Date:Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:25:25 -0500 From: David Pattee Reply-To: dpattee@magi.com Organization: tripwire X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Roland S-330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hello, I am interested in purchasing this sampler. If you want to rid yourself of the one you own please contact me. Thanks. dave - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 1 15:41:05 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-18205>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:40:05 -0500 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-18205>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:39:54 -0500 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.14]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id PAA05336; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id PAA11030; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:39:40 -0500 (EST) Comments: PAA11030 on cypress (hop 0), Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:39:40 -0500 (EST) Date:Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:39:39 -0500 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: Brian Layzell cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Hammond Samples In-Reply-To: <9803302201.AA35332@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk hi wow, i never thought to use my sampler for cool 60s organ stuff instead of sound manipulation. i usually keep those things sepereate. anyhow, does anyone know where i could find some farfisa samples? a friend of mine has a farfisa, i might sample it myself but itd be cool to find some good ones. to think that i might actually use a sampler with my retroish pop band. mike .::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 1 16:24:59 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-18205>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:24:10 -0500 Received: from deimos.frii.com ([208.146.240.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-18205>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:24:00 -0500 Received: from ftc-0542.ppp.frii.com (ftc-0542.ppp.frii.com [208.146.244.42]) by deimos.frii.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA26880 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by ftc-0542.ppp.frii.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD5D79.AC827A20@ftc-0542.ppp.frii.com>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:23:00 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD5D79.AC827A20@ftc-0542.ppp.frii.com> From: Russell Jackson To: "'Roland Samplers'" Subject: sgroup Riff learning machines. Date:Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:22:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Anyone interested in using samplers for learning riffs? This new Boss Dr. Sample 202 looks like a fun little unit. I wonder if = its "time stretch" function can be used to slow down complicated solos = for practice, like the Akai Riffmaster, etc. Any feedback on the 202? = How about riff machines in general? I've been looking for the best = device for slowing tempo while keeping same pitch. Still looking. = Check out software, called "CD Looper" , www.replayinc.com, that does it all with = a PC and soundcard. =20 R Jackson - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 1 16:38:24 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-18205>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:38:01 -0500 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-18205>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:37:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09500; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:36:29 -0500 (EST) Date:Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:36:29 -0500 From: Steve Harvey Reply-To: Steve Harvey To: Russell Jackson , sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Riff learning machines. In-Reply-To: <01BD5D79.AC827A20@ftc-0542.ppp.frii.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Russell Jackson wrote: > Anyone interested in using samplers for learning riffs? > > This new Boss Dr. Sample 202 looks like a fun little unit. I wonder if > its "time stretch" function can be used to slow down complicated solos > for practice, like the Akai Riffmaster, etc. Any feedback on the 202? > How about riff machines in general? I've been looking for the best > device for slowing tempo while keeping same pitch. Still looking. > Check out software, called "CD Looper" , www.replayinc.com, that does it > all with a PC and soundcard. > I've been thinking about picking up a "Dr. Sample" myself, though not for learning riffs etc. I'm looking for something with sampling/effects capabilities to use when playing live, and this box looks pretty promising. I've seen them selling for about $350 US, and they support up to about 45 seconds of sampled data at the highest resolution (32khz). The realtime effects section is supposed to be pretty cool, with delays, resonant filters etc. which can be applied to existing samples as well as using it as a realtime effects thru with the line-in or the built-in mic. There's also a tap tempo function to change the tempo of loops in realtime. I *don't* know if it supports a true timestretch (i.e. change tempo without changing pitch)... I would sort of have my doubts as this is usually a very computationally expensive process, and not something I'd expect to see implemented well on an "all in one" box like this. Anyway, I too would be interested in hearing the opinion's of anyone who has had a chance to hands-on this box... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 1 18:52:44 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-18204>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:50:34 -0500 Received: from mail.magi.com ([204.191.213.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-18204>; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:50:24 -0500 Received: from ts38-05.ott.istar.ca (198.53.5.84) [198.53.5.84] by mail.magi.com with smtp (Exim 1.80 #5) id 0yKXID-00034U-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:51:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3522D242.59A6@magi.com> Date:Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:48:19 -0500 From: dave Reply-To: dpattee@magi.com Organization: pyrex13 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell Jackson CC: 'Roland Samplers' Subject: Re: sgroup Riff learning machines. References: <01BD5D79.AC827A20@ftc-0542.ppp.frii.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Russell Jackson wrote: > > Anyone interested in using samplers for learning riffs? > > This new Boss Dr. Sample 202 looks like a fun little unit. I wonder if its "time stretch" function can be used to slow down complicated solos for practice, like the Akai Riffmaster, etc. Any feedback on the 202? How about riff machines in general? I've been looking for the best device for slowing tempo while keeping same pitch. Still looking. Check out > software, called "CD Looper" , www.replayinc.com, that does it all with a PC and soundcard. > > R Jackson > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca I have one and its for sale. If interested email me privately. dave - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 2 01:40:38 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9462>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:39:04 -0500 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu ([128.32.25.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-9462>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:38:58 -0500 Received: from [136.152.26.34] (clkhomeip.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.26.34]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10798; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:38:45 -0800 (PST) Date:Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:38:45 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 3.0 for Macintosh To: Richard Sven Patterson , sgroup From: Chris Kirkham Subject: Re: sgroup Plextor 32X CDROM works w S760 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk DC drives in Texas: 1 800 473-0972 for $257. At 7:18 PM -0500 30/3/98, Chris Kirkham wrote: >>Hi sgroupers, >> >>I just wanted to report that I bought the new 32X UltraPlex caddy CDROM >>drive from Plextor and it works fine with the S760 OS 2.24. Roland >>formatted CDRW disks also work with the 760 and this drive. >> >>Chris > > >thanks, > >what price do these go for and from where? > >richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm >876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice >876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" >hounDog music > > Please note that Jamaica now has a new area code!!! *********************** Chris Kirkham ckirkham@uclink4.berkeley.edu (510)665-1986 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 2 19:49:12 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-9463>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:47:44 -0500 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net ([198.206.134.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-9463>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:47:38 -0500 Received: from gate.net (miafl6-58.gate.net [199.227.169.121]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA70534 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:47:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3524332A.1A6A490C@gate.net> Date:Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:54:05 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: [Fwd: sgroup Hammond Samples] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4B816C7BDB04534177DC1984" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4B816C7BDB04534177DC1984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------4B816C7BDB04534177DC1984 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu (root@mail2.grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.82]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA39782 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:18:29 -0500 Received: from palm.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.11]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id OAA26924 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by palm.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id OAA25069 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:21:30 -0500 (EST) Comments: OAA25069 on palm (hop 0), Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:21:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:21:30 -0500 (EST) From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@palm To: Adam Subject: Re: sgroup Hammond Samples In-Reply-To: <3522EF84.7466C53F@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > 1) where are those samples again? > 2) how do I convert them on the mac...I didn't recognize the file format i deleted the url. (im not the one that posted about it originally..) i know what you mean, i couldn't get them to convert either. i downloaded .exe files, which would not run (?) post to the list maybe.. mike --------------4B816C7BDB04534177DC1984-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 2 23:18:15 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-9463>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:17:33 -0500 Received: from netgate.co.nz ([202.37.78.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-9463>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:17:30 -0500 Received: from [202.50.164.131] (131.magic.gen.nz [202.50.164.131]) by netgate.co.nz (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA08277 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:17:00 +1200 X-Sender: craigus@mail.netgate.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3524332A.1A6A490C@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:20:35 -0500 To: sgroup From: Craig Harris Subject: Re: [Fwd: sgroup Hammond Samples] Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >> 1) where are those samples again? http://us.creativeinspire.com/community/music/goodies2.html >> 2) how do I convert them on the mac...I didn't recognize the file format So far there is nothing on the mac to convert them with. The only option is get someone with a PC to convert them for you to wav or aiff format :( ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Harris | craigus@netgate.co.nz or visit my web site RAMM Consultant | http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/9297 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Motto: ** Mercy is free. Sin has a cost. Shop smart! ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Apr 4 15:29:54 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-2572>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:27:55 -0500 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-2572>; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:27:45 -0500 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.14]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id PAA00167; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id PAA32067; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:27:40 -0500 (EST) Comments: PAA32067 on cypress (hop 0), Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:27:40 -0500 (EST) Date:Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:27:40 -0500 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: Craig Harris cc: sgroup Subject: Re: [Fwd: sgroup Hammond Samples] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > http://us.creativeinspire.com/community/music/goodies2.html > > >> 2) how do I convert them on the mac...I didn't recognize the file format > > So far there is nothing on the mac to convert them with. The only option > is get someone with a PC to convert them for you to wav or aiff format :( i couldn't get this to work. i downloaded .exe files which when i tried to run them it said "program too big to fit in memory". which is crap, there was plenty of memory free. how do you convert these? mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sun Apr 5 17:09:08 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-14894>; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:07:17 -0400 Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.133]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14894>; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:07:14 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id RAA15789 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Date:Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:58:11 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: sgroup s770??? To: sgroup Message-ID: <199804051701_MC2-3905-4065@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Is there ANYONE that is having success transferring samples from a PC to an S770? I can get samples from my S770 with Soundforge, but when I send em back they are corrupt and will not play. If I do this in the old DOS program, Samplevision, it seems to work fine. If someone here is having sucess, I can troubelshoot my system more... Help! |_e_/~ Dennis Barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> ) Skylab2000 : Paperboy2000 : Mushroom Nation ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sun Apr 5 20:25:40 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-14894>; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:25:02 -0400 Received: from mail.airmail.net ([206.66.12.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-14893>; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:24:56 -0400 Received: from [207.136.53.104] from [207.136.53.104] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with esmtp for sender: id ; Sun, 5 Apr 98 19:24:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: omz23@mail.airmail.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:23:54 -0400 To: sgroup From: omz Subject: sgroup S-760 filters Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk A couple of S-760 questions... Is there a way to control the TVF of a sample using the pitch bend wheel on your controller? Or any other way to tweak the filters real-time while a sequence is playing samples? It seems like there should be a way to do this... Also, i just burned my first Roland CD-Rom:). Using Toast, i made a scsi image of a zip disk full of 760 samples, burned it to a cd, and stuck it in the cd-rom drive of the 760. Bingo! But, this is only a 100 mb cd, obviously. Has anyone had any luck combining multiple zips onto one cd? This would be nice... Thanks again to everyone for all of the help over the past few months. What does everyone think about the SP-808 groove sampler? Just curious. _______________________________________________________ OMZ Beautamous Loaf Int'l Records - http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW - http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sun Apr 5 20:50:34 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-14894>; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:50:21 -0400 Received: from light.lightlink.com ([205.232.34.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14894>; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:50:18 -0400 Received: from [205.232.34.252] (doug.lightlink.com [205.232.34.252]) by light.lightlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00225 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:50:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:50:36 -0400 To: sgroup From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 filters Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi, At 20:23 -0400 4/5/98, omz wrote: > Is there a way to control the TVF of a sample using the pitch bend wheel on > your controller? Or any other way to tweak the filters real-time while a > sequence is playing samples? It seems like there should be a way to do > this... Sure. Under Patch Control, there's the TVF Control row of parameters. Here you can control the TVF cutoff with pitch bend, aftertouch or a MIDI control you set elsewhere under Patch Control. > Also, i just burned my first Roland CD-Rom:). Using Toast, i made a scsi > image of a zip disk full of 760 samples, burned it to a cd, and stuck it in > the cd-rom drive of the 760. Bingo! But, this is only a 100 mb cd, > obviously. Has anyone had any luck combining multiple zips onto one cd? > This would be nice... I think you'll have to have an S-760 hard disk onto which to assemble the CD image. You might try looking around for used 500-600 MB SCSI drives ... they can't be all that expensive. Hope this helps, Doug --- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (music and music software) http://www.sonosphere.com/ my new CD, "Accidental Beauties": http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 6 09:27:28 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-29787>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:25:32 -0400 Received: from mail2.uct.ac.za ([137.158.128.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-29788>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:25:27 -0400 Received: from mort by mail2.uct.ac.za with local (Exim 1.70 #3) id 0yMBtO-0007eO-00; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:24:54 +0200 Received: by mail2.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.22) id 460 from STUART@SOCSCI; Mon Apr 6 15:24:54 1998 From: "John Stuart" To: debus@cww.de Date:Mon, 6 Apr 1998 03:54:29 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup Hammond Samples CC: sgroup X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Don't know if I'm to late off the mark, but in response to: Ingo Debus >Brian Layzell wrote: >> http://us.creativeinspire.com/community/music/goodies2.html >> It's a free sample of EMU SoundFont. It can be converted of course. > >Any chance to convert it on a Mac to a more common format? SoundApp >accepts the following: A Soundfont is not simply audio data, its tone and patch information as well (its a `bank'). The sound data itself is stored in .WAV format in the soundfont. You need to load the Soundfont into Vienna 2, then clipboard copy the particular sample to a wav editor and save it as wav. If someone sends me the soundfont I'll do it, I'll even upload it to an ftp site if you have one. later, john cape town south africa - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 6 11:49:25 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-29787>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:48:56 -0400 Received: from redwood.shu.ac.uk ([143.52.2.24]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-29787>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:48:50 -0400 Received: from ntlupus.shu.ac.uk by redwood.shu.ac.uk with inbound ESMTP (local); Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:47:25 +0100 Received: by ntlupus.shu.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD617B.E1E5FE20@ntlupus.shu.ac.uk>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:48:53 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Badger, Richard" To: THE S newsgroup Subject: sgroup Tubular bell Date:Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:48:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm an S330 user and am looking for a Tubular bell sound preferably in wav format, does anyone know where I might find one having already searched and got nothing but Mike Oldfield Thanks Badge badge@earthling.net - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 6 13:57:40 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-29787>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:55:23 -0400 Received: from ns1.eds.com ([192.85.154.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-29787>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:55:08 -0400 Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa2.eds.com [192.85.154.30]) by ns1.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25240 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA03721 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA39008; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:14:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9804061714.AA39008@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 6 Apr 98 13:04:32 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 6 Apr 98 13:04:28 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:04:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup Hammond Samples Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Yes, a soundfont is a complete instrument configuration with keyboard mappings, loop points, layers, etc. OK, here's what I can do: I have taken the Hammond samples from the creative site, converted each of the 18 WAV files to AIFF format using Awave on the PC, saved each file to disk and zipped them into a single file. The size is about 460K. The loop points are still defined in each file. If you are a MAC user (and can unzip a zip file) and would like me to email you this file, you can send your request to "blayzell@ameritech.net". I have already mailed this file to someone else with success. If you are a PC user, you can get the unregistered version of Awave at http://hem.passagen.se/fmj/fmjsoft.html and save individual WAV samples yourself. I think that the Vienna software will not install on a PC unless you are using an AWE soundcard. After you get the individual samples, you will have to use your sampler to import these files and make a patch(s) out of them. Brian > Don't know if I'm to late off the mark, but in response to: > > Ingo Debus >Brian Layzell wrote: > >> http://us.creativeinspire.com/community/music/goodies2.html > >> It's a free sample of EMU SoundFont. It can be converted of course. > > > >Any chance to convert it on a Mac to a more common format? SoundApp > >accepts the following: > > A Soundfont is not simply audio data, its tone and patch information > as well (its a `bank'). The sound data itself is stored in .WAV > format in the soundfont. You need to load the Soundfont into Vienna > 2, then clipboard copy the particular sample to a wav editor and save > it as wav. If someone sends me the soundfont I'll do it, I'll even > upload it to an ftp site if you have one. > > later, > john > cape town > south africa ************* Brian Layzell ************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 6 14:02:32 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-29788>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:02:15 -0400 Received: from light.lightlink.com ([205.232.34.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-29788>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:02:09 -0400 Received: from [205.232.34.252] (doug.lightlink.com [205.232.34.252]) by light.lightlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04837 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:02:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:02:23 -0400 To: THE S newsgroup From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: sgroup Tubular bell Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk At 11:48 -0400 4/6/98, Badger, Richard wrote: > Hi, > I'm an S330 user and am looking for a Tubular bell sound preferably in wav > format, does anyone know where I might find one having already searched and > got nothing but Mike Oldfield I could be coaxed into sampling my DX7II and/or JV-1080 ... The DX sound is a bit of a classic (a little old but familiar sounding), the JV-1080 a typical wavesample. Doug --- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (music and music software) http://www.sonosphere.com/ my new CD, "Accidental Beauties": http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 6 16:11:38 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-29787>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:11:11 -0400 Received: from ns2.eds.com ([199.228.142.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-29787>; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:11:05 -0400 Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa2.eds.com [192.85.154.30]) by ns2.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23510 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01327 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16348; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:12:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9804061812.AA16348@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 6 Apr 98 14:02:53 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 6 Apr 98 14:02:41 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:02:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [Fwd: sgroup Hammond Samples] Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I'm resending this message from earlier today. I don't think it was received by sgroup. If it was, then please ignore this. Here it goes... The Hammond files are EMUs SoundFont V2 format (.sf2 file extention) for use in the AWE PC soundcards. For some reason, they download as .exe files but the online link indicates .sf2 before downloading. After downloading, I renamed the files from "x.exe" to "x.sf2". Then I used the Awave program on the PC to convert these samples to AIFF, WAV or anything else. This process worked fine for me and the loop points were also converted. I'm not sure that conversion utility you can use on the MAC. > > > http://us.creativeinspire.com/community/music/goodies2.html > > > > >> 2) how do I convert them on the mac...I didn't recognize the file format > > > > So far there is nothing on the mac to convert them with. The only option > > is get someone with a PC to convert them for you to wav or aiff format :( > > i couldn't get this to work. i downloaded .exe files which when i tried to > run them it said "program too big to fit in memory". which is crap, there > was plenty of memory free. > > how do you convert these? > > mike ************* Brian Layzell ************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 7 00:28:14 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-21085>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:26:47 -0400 Received: from ns1.eds.com ([192.85.154.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-21085>; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:26:41 -0400 Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa2.eds.com [192.85.154.30]) by ns1.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05703; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21086; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA39058; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:30:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9804061330.AA39058@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 6 Apr 98 8:20:27 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 6 Apr 98 8:20:27 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:20:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [Fwd: sgroup Hammond Samples] Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com Cc: mike p References: In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk These file are EMUs SoundFont V2 format (.sf2 file extention) for use in the AWE PC soundcards. For some reason, they download as .exe files but the online link indicates .sf2 before downloading. After downloading, I renamed the files from "x.exe" to "x.sf2". Then I used the Awave program on the PC to convert these samples to AIFF, WAV or anything else. This process worked fine for me and the loop points were also converted. I'm not sure that conversion utility you can use on the MAC. > > > http://us.creativeinspire.com/community/music/goodies2.html > > > > >> 2) how do I convert them on the mac...I didn't recognize the file format > > > > So far there is nothing on the mac to convert them with. The only option > > is get someone with a PC to convert them for you to wav or aiff format :( > > i couldn't get this to work. i downloaded .exe files which when i tried to > run them it said "program too big to fit in memory". which is crap, there > was plenty of memory free. > > how do you convert these? > > mike ************* Brian Layzell ************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 8 05:14:53 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:12:57 -0400 Received: from mars.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.8.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:12:50 -0400 Received: from balu.kapsch.co.at by mars.kapsch.co.at (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:12:36 +0200 Received: by balu.kapsch.co.at with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:12:31 +0200 Message-ID: <06E83B40290BD111B41B08002BB769DA8E2718@balu.kapsch.co.at> From: Ullrich@kapsch.net To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Interesting S330/S550 paper Date:Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:12:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Roland US wrote an intersting paper (like a little short form manual) with tips and tricks. And also the new features of the CD-5 version for the S550 sampler are mentioned. You can download it from: http://www.rolandus.com/support/FAQs/supnotes/S330550.PDF Have fun with it! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: http://come.to/ullrich or the full link http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3586/ Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician .oooO KAPSCH AG / SGB2 Vienna / Austria ( ) Oooo. Traffic Control and Transmission Technology ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 8 05:19:19 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:18:58 -0400 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:18:55 -0400 Received: from 195.71.96.22 (dtmd-m96-22.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.22]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id LAA05490 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:18:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3529EA56.4E50@cww.de> Date:Tue, 7 Apr 1998 04:56:56 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Tubular bell References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Badger, Richard wrote: > > Hi, > I'm an S330 user and am looking for a Tubular bell sound preferably in wav > format, does anyone know where I might find one having already searched and > got nothing but Mike Oldfield Did you try Roland's L503 0012? There are several mallet sounds and also one tubular bell on it. L-709-3 contains tubular bells too, but this is S-7** format. Must be converted to S-330. Too bad, the ftp is still not working :-( Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 8 06:30:29 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:30:06 -0400 Received: from mail1.uct.ac.za ([137.158.128.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 06:30:00 -0400 Received: from mort by mail1.uct.ac.za with local (Exim 1.70 #2) id 0yMs6l-0007BI-00; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 12:29:31 +0200 Received: by mail1.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.22) id 744 from STUART@SOCSCI; Wed Apr 8 12:29:31 1998 From: "John Stuart" To: sgroup Date:Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:59:11 -0400 Subject: sgroup Roland/Boss Manuals on line? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Ullrich@kapsch.net wrote: >Roland US wrote an intersting paper (like a little short form manual) with >tips and tricks. And also the new features of the CD-5 version for the S550 >sampler are mentioned. >You can download it from: >http://www.rolandus.com/support/FAQs/supnotes/S330550.PDF This got me excited: does anyone know if Roland and Boss owner's manuals are on line as well? If so where? I could obviously do the sleuthing, but if someone knows anyway it could save me effort. It would be great to be able to get these in PDF format, I just bought an ME6 without a manual. [BTW: Brian Layzell is of course right about that Hammond Soundfont, you really only need Awave to extract the individual wavs. Now that I have started using Awave I have found out that its quite powerful. Its also partially helped my looping problems because I have found out that it can do bi-directional loops (called `alt' loops by S Samplers)]. john cape town south africa - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 8 09:07:02 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:06:00 -0400 Received: from angel.uunet.ca ([205.150.160.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:05:50 -0400 Received: from pollux.uunet.ca ([205.150.160.111]) by angel.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <17428-20893>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:05:36 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by pollux.uunet.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA00956; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:05:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date:Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:05:35 -0400 From: John Sellens Message-Id: <199804081305.JAA00956@pollux.uunet.ca> To: debus@cww.de Subject: sgroup FTP archive site is available again Cc: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk | From: Ingo Debus | To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca | Subject: Re: sgroup Tubular bell | | Too bad, the ftp is still not working :-( I still don't have a really fabulous place for it, but it's now available at ftp://jsellens0.uunet.ca/pub/sgroup for your downloading pleasure. Slow machine, behind an ISDN link, so not blindingly fast, but it should work. Please let me know if you run into any problems. John jsellens@uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 8 13:07:05 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193690-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:03:36 -0400 Received: from smtp3.erols.com ([207.172.3.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-20941>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:03:21 -0400 Received: from [207.172.74.101] (207-172-74-101.s38.as6.man.erols.com [207.172.74.101]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01066 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:03:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mrsyms@pop.erols.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:08:50 -0400 To: sgroup From: Tim Goodwin Subject: sgroup Rhodes Samples Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if the Fender/Rhodes samples on the Roland CD-ROM Keyboards from the 60's and 70'2 Vol II are the same as the Rhodes samples on the Rhythm Section Vol I Roland CD-ROM ? Thanks Tim Goodwin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 8 18:24:06 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193695-20940>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:21:48 -0400 Received: from smtp2.erols.com ([207.172.3.235]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-20940>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:21:42 -0400 Received: from [207.172.73.26] (207-172-73-26.s26.as1.man.erols.com [207.172.73.26]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01304 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:21:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mrsyms@pop.erols.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:27:08 -0400 To: sgroup From: Tim Goodwin Subject: Re: sgroup Rhodes Samples Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >THEY ARE DIFFERENTS! Ok, which ones would you say are better, sonically speaking? The ones on the Rhythm Section Vol. I have some overtones that hurt my ears. Also, the patches are very small. I was hoping to find a Fender/Rhodes patch with more samples. Thanks Tim Goodwin >Tim Goodwin wrote: > >> Does anyone know if the Fender/Rhodes samples on the Roland CD-ROM >> Keyboards from the 60's and 70'2 Vol II are the same as the Rhodes samples >> on the Rhythm Section Vol I Roland CD-ROM ? >> >> Thanks >> Tim Goodwin >> >> - >> Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >> For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 9 02:45:11 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193700-26608>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:42:28 -0400 Received: from venus.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.8.3]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-26608>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:42:22 -0400 Received: from balu.kapsch.co.at by mars.kapsch.co.at (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:41:11 +0200 Received: by balu.kapsch.co.at with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2SQB5XJ7>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:41:10 +0200 Message-ID: <06E83B40290BD111B41B08002BB769DA8E2721@balu.kapsch.co.at> From: Ullrich@kapsch.net To: stuart@socsci.uct.ac.za CC: sgroup Subject: AW: sgroup Roland/Boss Manuals on line? Date:Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:41:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi John! >This got me excited: does anyone know if Roland and Boss owner's >manuals are on line as well? If so where? I could obviously do the >sleuthing, but if someone knows anyway it could save me effort. > >It would be great to be able to get these in PDF format, I just >bought an ME6 without a manual. I haven't found any manual on the Roland site except the short tutorial I mentioned a few days before - sorry. Yes it would be great if Roland could offer all the manuals in PDF-format for free (except the service documents - it is clear that they want to charge something for them...) Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: http://come.to/ullrich or the full link http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3586/ Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician .oooO KAPSCH AG / SGB2 Vienna / Austria ( ) Oooo. Traffic Control and Transmission Technology ----\ (----( )------------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 9 14:04:11 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193706-26607>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:59:31 -0400 Received: from inx.inx.net ([198.70.60.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-26607>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:59:12 -0400 Received: from 206.231.6.57 (modem38.nyc.inx.net [206.231.6.57]) by inx.inx.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06880 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <352CC420.BB9@inx.net> Date:Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:50:40 -0400 From: Morous Reply-To: goblin@inx.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup FS: Roland DJ-70 sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk For sale: Roland DJ-70 Sampling Workstation in good working condition with 4Mb RAM. $600,- plus S/H. 5 years old. This is the original DJ-70(no SCSI, 4Mb RAM is maximum). Samples at 44.1KHz and 22Khz in 16 bit format. Great sounding unit, very quiet. Reads disks from S-750/S-770/S-550/S-330/W-30 samplers.Comes with 50 disk sample disk library. If interested send e-mail or call me at 718 729 6245. Cenek - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 9 17:00:25 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193711-26608>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:59:53 -0400 Received: from mailcrunch.cis.co.za ([196.2.16.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-26608>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:59:43 -0400 Received: from woof.wna.co.za. (Woof.wna.co.za [196.2.16.13]) by mailcrunch.cis.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA04091; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:01:27 -0200 (GMT) Received: from ufrmsa1.olivetti.za (cpt-ts523-137.mweb.co.za [196.2.56.137]) by woof.wna.co.za. (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with ESMTP id WAA27772; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:58:54 +0200 Message-ID: <352D361F.DC776D42@ufrmsa1.olivetti.za> Date:Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:57:03 -0400 From: Cyber-7 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Sellens CC: debus@cww.de, sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup FTP archive site is available again References: <199804081305.JAA00956@pollux.uunet.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I am sorry to say, but after struggeling on for about 4 years with my S760, I finnally sold out to hahaha... Ok, ok I know what the 'roland-heads' is going to say, but I must add that the S760 just does not cut for me today, in this competitive market. With this, I say to all of those of you who has stuck with the SMDI and SCSi questions of mine, thanks a stack. Well, this is it, THANK YOU FOR THE FISH, AND GOOD BYE. Aubrey South Africa CAPETOWN. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 9 21:30:48 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193717-16346>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:29:19 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193710-16346>; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:29:13 -0400 Received: from gate.net (dfbfl3-30.gate.net [199.227.5.30]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA66080 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:28:44 -0400 Message-ID: <352D777A.8E9263C0@gate.net> Date:Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:35:56 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: [Fwd: sgroup FTP archive site is available again] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------78343630F6BC8C32B6A2B7E5" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------78343630F6BC8C32B6A2B7E5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------78343630F6BC8C32B6A2B7E5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <352D774C.5BCA6E44@gate.net> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 20:35:09 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cyber-7 Subject: Re: sgroup FTP archive site is available again References: <199804081305.JAA00956@pollux.uunet.ca> <352D361F.DC776D42@ufrmsa1.olivetti.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only loss suffered is Aubrey's! Good luck...you'll be back! :) Cyber-7 wrote: > I am sorry to say, but after struggeling on for about 4 years with my > S760, I finnally sold out to hahaha... Ok, ok I know what the > 'roland-heads' is going to say, but I must add that the S760 just does > not cut for me today, in this competitive market. With this, I say to > all of those of you who has stuck with the SMDI and SCSi questions of > mine, thanks a stack. > > Well, this is it, THANK YOU FOR THE FISH, AND GOOD BYE. > Aubrey > South Africa > CAPETOWN. > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca --------------78343630F6BC8C32B6A2B7E5-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Apr 11 08:12:57 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-12829>; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:10:51 -0400 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-12829>; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:10:41 -0400 Received: from 195.71.96.36 (dtmd-m96-36.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.36]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id OAA18065 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:10:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <352CE1F4.7B45@cww.de> Date:Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup FTP archive site is available again References: <199804081305.JAA00956@pollux.uunet.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Good news! Thanks a lot! :-) Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 13 12:02:36 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-19320>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:00:34 -0400 Received: from cc.wwu.edu ([140.160.240.18]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-19320>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:00:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (n9344749@localhost) by cc.wwu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id JAA16164 ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:00:04 -0700 Date:Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:00:03 -0400 From: Jason Pitt To: Morous cc: sgroup Subject: sgroup DJ-70s leaving..need to create a sound library...HOW??? In-Reply-To: <352CC420.BB9@inx.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hey speaking of DJ70s I have one that I'm getting rid of and I was wanting to transfer over my sounds. I could simply do a MIDI sample dump but I'd like to get my envelope settings etc. I'm wanting to transfer them to an EMU esi 32 which is supposed to be able to read roland sound libraries...My question is how do I create a roland sound library. I've got a CD-R so I could make a CD but I assume you need some sort of software to transfer the roland disk data into a "library" format. Any ideas?? Thanks- Hyde http://terrasoftware.webking.com/hydefreak/hnf.html - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 13 15:02:00 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-19321>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:01:06 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19320>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:01:01 -0400 Received: from dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.12]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id PAA08531 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id PAA22981 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Comments: PAA22981 on dogwood (hop 0), Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Date:Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:00:58 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@dogwood To: sgroup Subject: sgroup HD recording In-Reply-To: <9803181349.AA37226@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk hi i want to purchase a MIDI sequencing and HD-r program for my PC. what is everybod'y favorites? specificaly, hows cubase audio versus VST versus cakewalk pro audio? oh yeah, my ROLAND SAMPLER will be connected to the thing thanks, mike .::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 13 16:17:14 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-19321>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:16:12 -0400 Received: from onondaga.gate.net ([198.206.134.31]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19321>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:16:09 -0400 Received: from gate.net (dfbfl6-63.gate.net [199.227.99.190]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA29530; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:15:02 -0400 Message-ID: <352FD0F6.12EE8729@gate.net> Date:Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:22:15 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike p , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup HD recording References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk How about .....oh, sorry...never mind, that's a Mac program. :) mike p wrote: > hi > > i want to purchase a MIDI sequencing and HD-r program for my PC. what is > everybod'y favorites? > > specificaly, hows cubase audio versus VST versus cakewalk pro audio? > > oh yeah, my ROLAND SAMPLER will be connected to the thing > > thanks, > mike > > .::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::. > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 13 16:38:45 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-19320>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:38:26 -0400 Received: from l2.Lonet.ca ([207.134.187.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19320>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:38:23 -0400 Received: from lonet.ca ([207.134.187.182]) by l2.Lonet.ca (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11602) with ESMTP id AAA140; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:29:04 -0400 Message-ID: <353277B1.DF4EBDFA@lonet.ca> Date:Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:38:09 -0400 From: Paul Gingerich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike p CC: SGroup - Submissions Subject: sgroup Favourite Sequencers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Personally, I recommend Cubase VST. I used Cubase back years ago before Win95, and it was pretty darn kewl. I'd seen Bars & Pipes and Cakewalk, and used Master Tracks Pro and Music-X back then also, and though it may have been unfamiliarity biasing me, I wasn't really impressed. Cubase blew me away from the git-go. Now, with VST!?!? Why use anything else? It does it ALL! Just one man's humble opinion. :) tty'all Paul - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 13 19:16:25 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-19321>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:15:40 -0400 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu ([198.82.160.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19321>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:15:34 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28631 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcurran.vt.edu (as5200-3.sl050.cns.vt.edu [128.173.37.183]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA13747 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201bd6732$b4176620$b725ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> From: "Kerri" To: Subject: sgroup Trading S-550 Date:Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:20:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hello sgroup, I am thinking about getting rid of one of my samplers, my S-550. It is in excellent shape and includes the mouse and manuals plus 4 original disk sets from the Roland sound library (20 disks: L-501, L-502, L-503, L-504). I could also throw in a RGB monitor if the trade is right. I am looking to trade it for a synth. But I will consider any offers. If anyone is interested please email me. Thanks, Kerri Curran kcurran@vt.edu - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 13 22:03:29 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-19320>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:00:11 -0400 Received: from inx.inx.net ([198.70.60.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19320>; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:00:08 -0400 Received: from 206.231.6.65 (modem46.nyc.inx.net [206.231.6.65]) by inx.inx.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA22696; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35327AD4.4100@inx.net> Date:Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:51:32 -0400 From: Morous Reply-To: goblin@inx.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Pitt CC: sgroup Subject: sgroup Re: DJ-70s leaving..need to create a sound library...HOW??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I don't really know how to do this and I know nothing about EMU samplers. If You want to preserve Your envelope settings, You can resample sounds from Performance and dump the new samples. However, it will not solve the problem, if You use controllers to change parameters in real time. Cenek - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 14 03:11:01 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15051>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:09:16 -0400 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu ([198.82.160.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-15051>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:09:10 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA25344 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcurran.vt.edu (as5200-11.sl041.cns.vt.edu [128.173.39.48]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA15876 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006601bd6774$e961a600$3027ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> From: "Kerri" To: Subject: sgroup S-550 Question Date:Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:14:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I just read a post that talked about some SY-553 sequencing software for the S-550 sampler. What is it? And can any S-550 use the software? Does anyone on the list have the software that can comment about it? Any info is appreciated. Kerri Curran kcurran@vt.edu - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 14 13:32:18 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15052>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:27:29 -0400 Received: from laserfiche.com ([206.83.178.34]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-15051>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:27:23 -0400 Received: by cerberus.laserfiche.com id <12545>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:29:52 -0700 Message-Id: <98Apr14.102952pdt.12545@cerberus.laserfiche.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date:Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:33:28 -0400 From: Peter Wayman To: sgroup Subject: sgroup S-550 Question -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk The 553 sequencing software can be used on any S-550, and thus turn your sampler into a sequencer (you can still use the sampler), but you need to have the dongle if you want to save your sequences. I guess the cool thing is that you can see the notes displayed on a grid of MIDI channel vs. time. But it didn't appeal to me personally (but I have very little experience with sequencers), so I sold mine. I've seen some friends have a good time with their sy-333 (s330 software), using it to control drum machines, and what-not... and they put up with not having the dongle, so it must be easy enough and likeable enough for some. :Peter >>> "Kerri" 04/14/98 12:14am >>> I just read a post that talked about some SY-553 sequencing software for the S-550 sampler. What is it? And can any S-550 use the software? Does anyone on the list have the software that can comment about it? Any info is appreciated. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 14 15:01:26 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15052>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:01:00 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-15052>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:00:53 -0400 Received: from dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.12]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id PAA02026; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id PAA03176; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Comments: PAA03176 on dogwood (hop 0), Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Date:Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:00:42 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@dogwood To: Peter Wayman cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 Question -Reply In-Reply-To: <98Apr14.102952pdt.12545@cerberus.laserfiche.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > I've seen some friends have a good time with their sy-333 (s330 > software), using it to control drum machines, and what-not... and they > put up with not having the dongle, so it must be easy enough and likeable > enough for some. i have the sys-333 for the s-330. i've used it ALOT, but i think it sucks. the timing of fast sequences is bad. its really cool tho to be able to have a sampler and sequencer in a 1U rack. can lead to people saying things like.."how do you get drum beats out of yr effets processor?.." milk - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 14 18:36:29 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-15051>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:34:40 -0400 Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu ([198.82.160.250]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-15051>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:34:30 -0400 Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19788 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kcurran.vt.edu (as5200-1.sl023.cns.vt.edu [128.173.34.99]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA02102 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e601bd67f6$44cdddc0$6322ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> From: "Kerri" To: Subject: sgroup SY-553 Info Thanks! Date:Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:40:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk SGROUP, I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my question about the SY-553 software for the S-550. Personally, I think it is lame of Roland to use a dongle for a piece of software that is sort of an upgrade to one of their products (where is our product support?). They should have released the dongle schematics when they decided to drop the S-550 support. But oh well, it seems people have found a work around to the save limitation. Unfortunately the software probably (I say this because I have never used it) doesn't compare to computer/hardware sequecers now a days. I welcome any discussions (please no flames) about that statement. Thanks, Kerri kcurran@vt.edu - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 14 20:57:51 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-15052>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:57:05 -0400 Received: from mail.airmail.net ([206.66.12.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-15051>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:57:02 -0400 Received: from [207.136.48.215] from [207.136.48.215] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with esmtp for sender: id ; Tue, 14 Apr 98 19:56:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: omz23@mail.airmail.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00e601bd67f6$44cdddc0$6322ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:56:05 -0400 To: sgroup From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup SY-553 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my question about the SY-553 >software for the S-550. Personally, I think it is lame of Roland to use a >dongle for a piece of software that is sort of an upgrade to one of their >products (where is our product support?). They should have released the >dongle schematics when they decided to drop the S-550 support. I agree. I always thought that little thing was stupid and very hard to keep track of! >it seems people have found a work around to the save limitation. >Unfortunately the software probably (I say this because I have never used >it) doesn't compare to computer/hardware sequecers now a days. Oh hell no. From what I remember the memory filled up real quick and the sequencer lagged quite a bit. But, it was my first sequencer (the S-50 equivalent) and will always have a special place in my heart:) _______________________________________________________ OMZ Beautamous Loaf Int'l Records - http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW - http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 14 21:47:59 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15052>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:47:03 -0400 Received: from laserfiche.com ([206.83.178.34]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-15052>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:46:57 -0400 Received: by cerberus.laserfiche.com id <12546>; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:49:35 -0700 Message-Id: <98Apr14.184935pdt.12546@cerberus.laserfiche.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date:Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:53:27 -0400 From: Peter Wayman To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup SY-553 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >>> omz 04/14/98 06:56pm >>> >I agree. I always thought that little thing was stupid and very hard to >keep track of! Obviously you didn't take advantage of the neatly driled hole and keep it tied around your neck. :) :Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 15 04:47:48 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:45:19 -0400 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:45:12 -0400 Received: from 195.71.97.72 (dtmd-m97-72.pool.cww.de [195.71.97.72]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id KAA00669 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:45:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35337D64.5486@cww.de> Date:Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:14:45 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup S-760 Aftertouch Pitch control Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi, anyone noticed this: when Aftertouch Pitch Control (Patch/Control parameter) is set to a small negative value, the patch is detuned, about one semitone up, until the first MIDI aftertouch command is received. When another note is played, the patch is detuned again. Bug or feature? I found a workaround to bend down the pitch with aftertouch: set Aftertouch Pitch Control to 0, and set Aftertouch LFO-Pitch Depth to about 40 instead. Then set the LFO of each partial the patch uses to Waveform B.UP and Rate 0. Aftertouch pitch bend sounds great with ethnic string samples, like the famous "Cymbalom" from RSB-506 #5. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 15 06:01:06 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:00:33 -0400 Received: from helium.tip.nl ([195.18.64.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:00:27 -0400 Received: from tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with esmtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0yPP1s-001Yn1C; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:02:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35337C2F.D2CF44B8@tip.nl> Date:Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:09:35 -0400 From: Frans Aal Organization: Backbone Informatie Techniek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike p CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup HD recording References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Cubase VST is called 'tools', cakewalk is called 'toys'. draw your own conclusions :) mike p wrote: > hi > > i want to purchase a MIDI sequencing and HD-r program for my PC. what is > everybod'y favorites? > > specificaly, hows cubase audio versus VST versus cakewalk pro audio? > > oh yeah, my ROLAND SAMPLER will be connected to the thing > > thanks, > mike > > .::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::. > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 15 08:30:12 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:29:34 -0400 Received: from ns1.eds.com ([192.85.154.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:29:24 -0400 Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa2.eds.com [192.85.154.30]) by ns1.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03978 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA05030 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA37024; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:26:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9804151226.AA37024@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 15 Apr 98 8:21:52 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 15 Apr 98 8:21:23 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:21:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup SY-553 Info Thanks! Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com In-Reply-To: <00e601bd67f6$44cdddc0$6322ad80@kcurran.vt.edu> Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi, Did I miss a tip for a work-around for the sequencer doggle (I own an S50)? I'd be very interested in this tip, in case I loose the doggle. Brian > SGROUP, > > I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my question about the SY-553 > software for the S-550. Personally, I think it is lame of Roland to use a > dongle for a piece of software that is sort of an upgrade to one of their > products (where is our product support?). They should have released the > dongle schematics when they decided to drop the S-550 support. But oh well, > it seems people have found a work around to the save limitation. > Unfortunately the software probably (I say this because I have never used > it) doesn't compare to computer/hardware sequecers now a days. I welcome > any discussions (please no flames) about that statement. > > Thanks, > Kerri > kcurran@vt.edu > ************* Brian Layzell ************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 15 12:15:22 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-9183>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:13:13 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-9183>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:13:07 -0400 Received: from gate.net (miafl3-45.gate.net [199.227.35.172]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA175178; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:12:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3534DC44.DB82B99C@gate.net> Date:Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:11:49 -0400 From: Adam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frans Aal CC: mike p , sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup HD recording References: <35337C2F.D2CF44B8@tip.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I saw a promo for CoolEdit for the PC at Sam Ash...how does this stack up? Frans Aal wrote: > Cubase VST is called 'tools', cakewalk is called 'toys'. > > draw your own conclusions :) > > mike p wrote: > > > hi > > > > i want to purchase a MIDI sequencing and HD-r program for my PC. what is > > everybod'y favorites? > > > > specificaly, hows cubase audio versus VST versus cakewalk pro audio? > > > > oh yeah, my ROLAND SAMPLER will be connected to the thing > > > > thanks, > > mike > > > > .::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::. > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 15 14:53:41 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:53:06 -0400 Received: from mail.vmicro.com ([208.153.234.10]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:52:55 -0400 Received: from [209.144.106.77] by mail.vmicro.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/7.aa2r) with ESMTP id ua187220 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:52:45 -0700 From: "James W. Thomas" Organization: Xevious Communications To: sgroup Date:Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:52:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup HD recording Reply-to: xevious@audiophile.com In-reply-to: <3534DC44.DB82B99C@gate.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) X-Info: VM Online Message-Id: <18524538811545@vmicro.com> Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On 15 Apr 98, at 12:11, Adam wrote: > I saw a promo for CoolEdit for the PC at Sam Ash...how does this stack up? > CoolEdit Pro is a really good multi-track audio recorder, but it has no sequencer. _______________________________________________ James W. Thomas Xevious Communications xevious@audiophile.com xevious@vmicro.com http://www.audiophile.com/xevious Nation of Lies - Now on VoxPop Records http://www.audiophile.com/nol - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 15 15:36:30 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:35:47 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:35:37 -0400 Received: from banyan.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@old.grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.15] (may be forged)) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id PAA29776; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by banyan.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id PAA17700; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Comments: PAA17700 on banyan (hop 0), Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Date:Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:35:23 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@banyan To: "James W. Thomas" cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup HD recording In-Reply-To: <18524538811545@vmicro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > CoolEdit Pro is a really good multi-track audio recorder, but it has no > sequencer. is it any better than the multitrack recorder of VST? i think i might end up using the audio recording of whatever package i choose without midi from time to time.. but i need midi too. kinda hard to play drum n bass in realtime on a keyboard :) mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 15 16:23:21 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:23:04 -0400 Received: from mail.vmicro.com ([208.153.234.10]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-9182>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:22:58 -0400 Received: from [209.144.106.77] by mail.vmicro.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/7.aa2r) with ESMTP id ia187338 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:22:18 -0700 From: "James W. Thomas" Organization: Xevious Communications To: sgroup Date:Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:22:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup HD recording Reply-to: xevious@audiophile.com References: <18524538811545@vmicro.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.00 beta 6) X-Info: VM Online Message-Id: <20221869112266@vmicro.com> Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On 15 Apr 98, at 15:35, mike p wrote: > > CoolEdit Pro is a really good multi-track audio recorder, but it has no > > sequencer. > > is it any better than the multitrack recorder of VST? i think i might end > up using the audio recording of whatever package i choose without midi > from time to time.. but i need midi too. kinda hard to play drum n bass in > realtime on a keyboard :) > It's kind of dangerous to make comparisons with VST due to the legions of Cubase users here :) but I would say that because it's designed from the ground up as an audio-only multitracker, it probably performs that function better than any sequencer/multitrack combo out there. I prefer it to SAW32 as well. It will also sync to Midi/SMPTE/etc., so combined with a sequencing package it may be an option. My personal choice is Cakewalk Pro Audio (probably because I've been using Cakewalk for almost ten years - I think this is also why so many Cubase users are so dedicated as well), and it may be worth noting that a brand new version of CPA is due out in the next few weeks. You might want to hold off a bit to see how that is before making a purchase. _______________________________________________ James W. Thomas Xevious Communications xevious@audiophile.com xevious@vmicro.com http://www.audiophile.com/xevious Nation of Lies - Now on VoxPop Records http://www.audiophile.com/nol - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 16 04:36:21 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-5255>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:19:32 -0400 Received: from helium.tip.nl ([195.18.64.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-5255>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:19:31 -0400 Received: from tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with esmtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0yPjvn-001YE6C; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:22:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3535BFE9.D4D6644C@tip.nl> Date:Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:23:05 -0400 From: Frans Aal Organization: Backbone Informatie Techniek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike p CC: "James W. Thomas" , sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup HD recording References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Buy Cubase, its all you need, and more. mike p wrote: > > CoolEdit Pro is a really good multi-track audio recorder, but it has no > > sequencer. > > is it any better than the multitrack recorder of VST? i think i might end > up using the audio recording of whatever package i choose without midi > from time to time.. but i need midi too. kinda hard to play drum n bass in > realtime on a keyboard :) > > mike > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 16 05:50:17 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-5255>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 05:45:38 -0400 Received: from helium.tip.nl ([195.18.64.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-5255>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 05:45:28 -0400 Received: from tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with esmtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0yPjkq-001YG3C; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:10:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3535BD42.382A3AD8@tip.nl> Date:Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:11:46 -0400 From: Frans Aal Organization: Backbone Informatie Techniek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam CC: mike p , sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup HD recording References: <35337C2F.D2CF44B8@tip.nl> <3534DC44.DB82B99C@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk CoolEdit isnt a sequencer, its a sound editor, and a pretty good one. Adam wrote: > I saw a promo for CoolEdit for the PC at Sam Ash...how does this stack up? > > Frans Aal wrote: > > > Cubase VST is called 'tools', cakewalk is called 'toys'. > > > > draw your own conclusions :) > > > > mike p wrote: > > > > > hi > > > > > > i want to purchase a MIDI sequencing and HD-r program for my PC. what is > > > everybod'y favorites? > > > > > > specificaly, hows cubase audio versus VST versus cakewalk pro audio? > > > > > > oh yeah, my ROLAND SAMPLER will be connected to the thing > > > > > > thanks, > > > mike > > > > > > .::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::. > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 16 16:07:52 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-5256>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:05:40 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-5256>; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:05:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19674 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Date:Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:03:47 -0400 From: Steve Harvey To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup HD recording In-Reply-To: <3535BD42.382A3AD8@tip.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Frans Aal wrote: > CoolEdit isnt a sequencer, its a sound editor, and a pretty good one. > Actually CoolEdit Pro is a multi-track audio package along the lines of SAW. Looks good but kind of pricey. I personally have been pretty happy with Cakewalk Pro Audio. There's still a few rough spots, and I think that Cubase is probably better at least in a live setting, but CPA is a good solid package that does digital audio as well as MIDI, etc. -Steve -- http://www.thoughtshop.com/egodeath/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 20 09:28:54 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-8888>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:25:58 -0400 Received: from amadeus.siba.fi ([128.214.84.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8889>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:25:56 -0400 Received: (from tkorpipa@localhost) by amadeus.siba.fi (8.8.8/8.6.12+CSC-2.1) id QAA12137; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:27:03 +0300 (EET DST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date:Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:27:03 -0400 From: tkorpipa@siba.fi To: sgroup Subject: sgroup s760 lfo problem... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk does s760 always stop the lfo after note-off? i'm havin' a problem with sustained notes as the lfo 'freezes' to it's last value then the note-off is transmitted... i couldn't find a solution to this and yes, i even opened the manual a little... :) also, modulation seems to be ignored after note-off... is this the only way to go? hope not... teemu :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: kiva/ruumen - http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa ::::::::::::::::::::: ::'i wanna be a happy person. that's why i have yamaha headphones' :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - lee perry - ::: - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 20 16:11:04 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-8889>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:09:14 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-8889>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:09:04 -0400 Received: from gate.net (miafl5-21.gate.net [199.227.169.21]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA208870; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:07:51 -0400 Message-ID: <353909BB.E125567A@gate.net> Date:Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:14:53 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tkorpipa@siba.fi, "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk YES... :( Your hopes, unfortunately have been lead astray Here's the pain-in-the #$@% work around (Roland should make a correction to its system!) Have the note stay on & assign a wheel to modulate the LFO, altering volume w/the other GOOD LUCK...its no fun! The way around this is tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote: > does s760 always stop the lfo after note-off? i'm havin' a problem with > sustained notes as the lfo 'freezes' to it's last value then the note-off > is transmitted... i couldn't find a solution to this and yes, i even > opened the manual a little... :) > > also, modulation seems to be ignored after note-off... is this the only > way to go? hope not... > > teemu > > :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > :::: kiva/ruumen - http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa ::::::::::::::::::::: > ::'i wanna be a happy person. that's why i have yamaha headphones' :: > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - lee perry - ::: > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 20 16:29:53 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-8889>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:29:22 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-8889>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:29:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21714 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Date:Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:27:23 -0400 From: Steve Harvey To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... In-Reply-To: <353909BB.E125567A@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Adam wrote: > YES... :( Your hopes, unfortunately have been lead astray > > Here's the pain-in-the #$@% work around (Roland should make a correction to > its system!) > Have the note stay on & assign a wheel to modulate the LFO, altering > volume w/the other > > GOOD LUCK...its no fun! > > The way around this is > > tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote: > > > does s760 always stop the lfo after note-off? i'm havin' a problem with > > sustained notes as the lfo 'freezes' to it's last value then the note-off > > is transmitted... i couldn't find a solution to this and yes, i even > > opened the manual a little... :) > > > > also, modulation seems to be ignored after note-off... is this the only > > way to go? hope not... > > Couldn't you just use the MIDI volume controller (cc 7) to fade the note, simulating the effect you want? (Or is this what you are suggesting above?) This wouldn't be much help for live performance, but would be easy enough to implement on most sequencing software (Cubase, Cakewalk, etc.) -Steve - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 20 22:38:38 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193689-20082>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:37:06 -0400 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net ([198.206.134.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193688-20082>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:37:00 -0400 Received: from gate.net (miafl5-44.gate.net [199.227.169.44]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA54784; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:36:37 -0400 Message-ID: <353964C1.533C62F0@gate.net> Date:Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:43:14 -0400 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Harvey , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Maybe I interpreted the original question incorrectly. I thought the complaint was about the LFO cutting off when a note is released? I was explaining how to do whatever you want w/the LFO regardless of if a note is sounding or not, as long as the note-off signal had not been received. If I'm wrong, I guess my explanation went overboard. Steve Harvey wrote: > On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Adam wrote: > > > YES... :( Your hopes, unfortunately have been lead astray > > > > Here's the pain-in-the #$@% work around (Roland should make a correction to > > its system!) > > Have the note stay on & assign a wheel to modulate the LFO, altering > > volume w/the other > > > > GOOD LUCK...its no fun! > > > > The way around this is > > > > tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote: > > > > > does s760 always stop the lfo after note-off? i'm havin' a problem with > > > sustained notes as the lfo 'freezes' to it's last value then the note-off > > > is transmitted... i couldn't find a solution to this and yes, i even > > > opened the manual a little... :) > > > > > > also, modulation seems to be ignored after note-off... is this the only > > > way to go? hope not... > > > > > Couldn't you just use the MIDI volume controller (cc 7) to fade the note, > simulating the effect you want? (Or is this what you are suggesting > above?) This wouldn't be much help for live performance, but would be > easy enough to implement on most sequencing software (Cubase, Cakewalk, > etc.) > > -Steve > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 21 03:43:17 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193687-5911>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:41:54 -0400 Received: from amadeus.siba.fi ([128.214.84.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-5911>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:41:51 -0400 Received: (from tkorpipa@localhost) by amadeus.siba.fi (8.8.8/8.6.12+CSC-2.1) id KAA15456; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:42:55 +0300 (EET DST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date:Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:42:54 -0400 From: tkorpipa@siba.fi To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... In-Reply-To: <353909BB.E125567A@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Adam wrote: > Here's the pain-in-the #$@% work around (Roland should make a correction to > its system!) > Have the note stay on & assign a wheel to modulate the LFO, altering > volume w/the other yeah, of course that would work, but only if i use a sequencer... i noticed this then i made a random-lfo filter pad with a long release time and was suprised then the lfo 'froze' to it's last value then releasing the key... instead of ZZ-YY-SS-ZZ-zz-yy-ss-yy-__ i got ZZ-YY-SS-ZZZZZzzzzz__ what (while also quite cool-sounding) was not what i was looking for... and i play that from a keyboard so the controller workaround is no good... also, i suppose the roland won't have a function to sustain a note infinitely? the little boss dr.sample has something like that (starting a loop with a note-on and stopping it with another) and the mega-$ emu-4 has it too. would be handy for 5-minute pads... more than stucking little cards under the keys... :) teemu :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: kiva/ruumen - http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa ::::::::::::::::::::: ::'i wanna be a happy person. that's why i have yamaha headphones' :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - lee perry - ::: - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 21 08:45:47 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193693-5910>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:43:13 -0400 Received: from cbgw2.lucent.com ([207.24.196.52]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193678-5910>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:43:03 -0400 Received: from aloft by cbig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id IAA21508; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:42:53 -0400 Received: from palmdale (palmdale.micro.lucent.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M11.3) id AA29462; Tue, 21 Apr 98 08:43:06 EDT Received: by palmdale (4.1/DCS-aloft_spooler-S3.2) id AA19721; Tue, 21 Apr 98 08:43:05 EDT Date:Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:43:05 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <9804211243.AA19721@palmdale> To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Adam: > Here's the pain-in-the #$@% work around (Roland should make a correction to > its system!) teemu: > noticed this then i made a random-lfo filter pad with a long release time > and was suprised then the lfo 'froze' to it's last value then releasing > the key... instead of ZZ-YY-SS-ZZ-zz-yy-ss-yy-__ i got Yes, Roland should fix this. After all, if the beastie is smart enough to continue sounding a note during the envelope's decay upon receiving a note off, it should know to maintain ALL of that note's resources, like the LFO teemu has controlling the filter. Is Jim Norman still on this list to take this as an MR (Modification Request), bug fix, customer complaint, action item? Hey teemu, do you notice any other resources that die at note off instead of at the end of the amplitude envelope? Bill BillFox@lucent.com http://wdiyfm.org ============================================================================== Host of Emusic, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 21 12:34:56 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193703-4195>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:32:58 -0400 Received: from light.lightlink.com ([205.232.34.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-4195>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:32:51 -0400 Received: from [205.232.34.252] (doug.lightlink.com [205.232.34.252]) by light.lightlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10334; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:32:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <353909BB.E125567A@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:15:14 -0400 To: tkorpipa@siba.fi, sgroup From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk At 3:42 -0400 4/21/98, tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote: > also, i suppose the roland won't have a function to sustain a note > infinitely? the little boss dr.sample has something like that (starting a > loop with a note-on and stopping it with another) and the mega-$ emu-4 > has it too. would be handy for 5-minute pads... more than stucking little > cards under the keys... :) I do this by triggering from my Peavey PC-1600 ... have a button alternately send note ons and offs, and have the fader above it send volume. Another trick I've used is to strike the note, hold it down with the sustain pedal, release the key, then change my controller's transmit channel, so I can let go of the sustain pedal. To stop the note, I just change the transmit channel back and tap the sustain pedal. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (music and music software) http://www.sonosphere.com/ "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 21 13:03:50 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193705-28122>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:03:22 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-28122>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:03:16 -0400 Received: from gate.net (miafl3-39.gate.net [199.227.35.166]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA133358; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:02:27 -0400 Message-ID: <353CD0FD.C5DC3E50@gate.net> Date:Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:01:50 -0400 From: Adam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tkorpipa@siba.fi CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote: yeah, of course that would work, but only if i use a sequencer... i > noticed this then i made a random-lfo filter pad with a long release time > and was suprised then the lfo 'froze' to it's last value then releasing > the key... instead of ZZ-YY-SS-ZZ-zz-yy-ss-yy-__ i got > ZZ-YY-SS-ZZZZZzzzzz__ what (while also quite cool-sounding) was not what > i was looking for... and i play that from a keyboard so the controller > workaround is no good... > > also, i suppose the roland won't have a function to sustain a note > infinitely? the little boss dr.sample has something like that (starting a > loop with a note-on and stopping it with another) and the mega-$ emu-4 > has it too. would be handy for 5-minute pads... more than stucking little > cards under the keys... :) Yes, the Roland can sustain a note until cut off by another note. Of course, the sound must be looped and set to "forward" or "alternate" in the "Sample" menu. The rest is done in the Patch set up section. I'm not in front of the S-760 now, but I think the selection is in the top left of the screen (on a monitor) that is used to assign the partial to a key. I use this for a bass drum, for example. As for the LFO...it would be nice if...! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 21 13:09:00 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193706-4195>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:08:39 -0400 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193679-28122>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:08:26 -0400 Received: from gate.net (miafl3-39.gate.net [199.227.35.166]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA133180; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:07:36 -0400 Message-ID: <353CD232.61E04801@gate.net> Date:Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:06:58 -0400 From: Adam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Wyatt CC: tkorpipa@siba.fi, sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... References: <353909BB.E125567A@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Question 1) Do we have enough people to get Roland to modify the code yet? Question 2) Will they go to the trouble to respond w/o financial incentive {assuming Roland will not take into account repeat customers}? They've been good to us so far, even if the updates haven't been major. Doug Wyatt wrote: > At 3:42 -0400 4/21/98, tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote: > > also, i suppose the roland won't have a function to sustain a note > > infinitely? the little boss dr.sample has something like that (starting a > > loop with a note-on and stopping it with another) and the mega-$ emu-4 > > has it too. would be handy for 5-minute pads... more than stucking little > > cards under the keys... :) > > I do this by triggering from my Peavey PC-1600 ... have a button > alternately send note ons and offs, and have the fader above it send volume. > > Another trick I've used is to strike the note, hold it down with the > sustain pedal, release the key, then change my controller's transmit > channel, so I can let go of the sustain pedal. To stop the note, I just > change the transmit channel back and tap the sustain pedal. > > Doug > > -- > Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com > Sonosphere (music and music software) http://www.sonosphere.com/ > "Accidental Beauties" CD release: http://www.sonosphere.com/wyatt/ > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 21 14:38:29 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193716-4195>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:37:28 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193712-4195>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:37:17 -0400 Received: from dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.12]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id OAA11576; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id OAA05759; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Comments: OAA05759 on dogwood (hop 0), Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Date:Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:37:07 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@dogwood To: tkorpipa@siba.fi cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > also, i suppose the roland won't have a function to sustain a note > infinitely? the little boss dr.sample has something like that (starting a i use this little trick with my s-330 all the time. hold down the note and switch off the keyboard controller. release the key and turn the keyboard back on. the sampler never gets a note-off. those notes will never stop, unless you go over the polyphony or something. to make them stop i can usually (don't ask why it doesn't work all the time ..?) play the note again, and the note-off will stop both the hanging note and the new one you just played. of course if you have a fancy controller (unlike me) there might be an "all notes off" button or something. but in that case the simple powering off to kill the note-off message might not work. try it! mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 21 19:39:19 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193699-24222>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:36:50 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-24222>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:36:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA22772; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Date:Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:34:40 -0400 From: Steve Harvey To: mike p cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, mike p wrote: > i use this little trick with my s-330 all the time. hold down the note and > switch off the keyboard controller. release the key and turn the keyboard > back on. the sampler never gets a note-off. those notes will never stop, > unless you go over the polyphony or something. to make them stop i can > usually (don't ask why it doesn't work all the time ..?) play the note > again, and the note-off will stop both the hanging note and the new one > you just played. of course if you have a fancy controller (unlike me) > there might be an "all notes off" button or something. but in that case > the simple powering off to kill the note-off message might not work. Wow I love brute force engineering like this. :-) Actually, it might be less wear and tear all around if you yanked the MIDI plug for a sec instead of power-cycling the controller (for me at least, since my ctrlr is an Alpha-Juno w/a big heavy toggle switch on the back...) -Steve - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 21 21:35:27 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-24222>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:34:53 -0400 Received: from adelicia.belmont.edu ([198.146.88.12]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-24222>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:34:47 -0400 Received: from 198.146.93.37 ([198.146.93.37]) by BELMONT.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #24213) with SMTP id <01IW57BOKOQ6001LL6@BELMONT.EDU> for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:34:42 CST Date:Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:37:29 -0400 From: Kevin Hanson Subject: sgroup S-760 SIMMs? To: sgroup Message-id: <353D5700.4E9C@belmont.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me what kind of SIMMS the S-760 call for? If you can give me the specs (EDO? speed? etc.) I'd appreciate it. Kevin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 21 21:51:27 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193703-24222>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:50:56 -0400 Received: from light.lightlink.com ([205.232.34.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-24222>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:50:41 -0400 Received: from [205.232.34.252] (doug.lightlink.com [205.232.34.252]) by light.lightlink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05864; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:50:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <353D5700.4E9C@belmont.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:51:44 -0400 To: Kevin Hanson , sgroup From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 SIMMs? Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk At 22:37 -0400 4/21/98, Kevin Hanson wrote: > Can anyone tell me what kind of SIMMS the S-760 call for? If you can > give me the specs (EDO? speed? etc.) I'd appreciate it. I don't know that, but I got it in my head when I got my 760 three years ago that RAM for a Mac Centris 610 would suffice. At the time I paid almost $300 for an 8 MB SIMM. I just replaced it with 2 16 MB SIMMs for under $60 (they're supposedly for the Centris and they work fine). Hope this helps. Doug - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Apr 22 06:24:08 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193707-13322>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:22:09 -0400 Received: from amadeus.siba.fi ([128.214.84.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-13322>; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:22:03 -0400 Received: (from tkorpipa@localhost) by amadeus.siba.fi (8.8.8/8.6.12+CSC-2.1) id NAA06930; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:23:03 +0300 (EET DST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date:Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:23:03 -0400 From: tkorpipa@siba.fi To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... In-Reply-To: <9804211243.AA19721@palmdale> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, William_B_Fox wrote: > Yes, Roland should fix this. After all, if the beastie is smart enough > to continue sounding a note during the envelope's decay upon receiving a > note off, it should know to maintain ALL of that note's resources, like > the LFO teemu has controlling the filter. Is Jim Norman still on this > list to take this as an MR (Modification Request), bug fix, customer > complaint, action item? Hey teemu, do you notice any other resources > that die at note off instead of at the end of the amplitude envelope? mmmm, so far i've noticed that modulation (cc #2, i think) and lfo freeze after note-off. pitch bend works, but i'm sure you all know about that... :) my setup is temporarely backed up for a gig so i haven't had a chance to test any other controllers/resources, but unfortunately my guess would be they all die out after note-off. too bad... it _should_ be fixed. after all, this machine is still in production so an os fix would be nice. teemu :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::: kiva/ruumen - http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa ::::::::::::::::::::: ::'i wanna be a happy person. that's why i have yamaha headphones' :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - lee perry - ::: - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 23 04:42:42 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193734-17089>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:38:00 -0400 Received: from mail.magi.com ([204.191.213.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-17089>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:37:50 -0400 Received: from ts22-07.ott.istar.ca (198.53.6.118) [198.53.6.118] by mail.magi.com with smtp (Exim 1.80 #5) id 0ySHXd-0001mF-00; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: <353EB714.76B4@magi.com> Date:Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:35:51 -0400 From: dave Reply-To: dpattee@magi.com Organization: pyrex13 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup FTP Site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Someone recently mentioned that the FTP site was back up but I can't seem to access it. Is there a mirror somewhere that I can check? Thanks dave - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 23 10:18:49 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193741-17089>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:18:02 -0400 Received: from angel.uunet.ca ([205.150.160.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-17089>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:17:52 -0400 Received: from pollux.uunet.ca ([205.150.160.111]) by angel.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <17425-17421>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:17:20 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by pollux.uunet.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA07018; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:17:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date:Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:17:44 -0400 From: John Sellens Message-Id: <199804231417.KAA07018@pollux.uunet.ca> To: dpattee@magi.com Subject: Re: sgroup FTP Site Cc: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk | From dpattee@magi.com Thu Apr 23 04:46:30 1998 | Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:35:51 -0400 | From: dave | To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca | Subject: sgroup FTP Site | | Someone recently mentioned that the FTP site was back up but I can't | seem to access it. Is there a mirror somewhere that I can check? | | Thanks | | dave ftp://jsellens0.uunet.ca/ There is no mirror that I know of. John - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 23 10:27:04 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193742-17088>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:26:40 -0400 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-17088>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:26:34 -0400 Received: from 195.71.97.95 (dtmd-m97-95.pool.cww.de [195.71.97.95]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id QAA29535 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:26:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <353E4697.63F@cww.de> Date:Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:35:53 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s760 lfo problem... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote: > > Have the note stay on & assign a wheel to modulate the LFO, altering > > volume w/the other > > yeah, of course that would work, but only if i use a sequencer and only if you play monophonic... > also, i suppose the roland won't have a function to sustain a note > infinitely? If you set TVA time 4 to maximum it sustains quite long. There *is* a TVA level 0,4 parameter mentioned in the Sysex specs, but the range contains only the value 0. Recently I wrote a S-760 adaptation for SoundDiver, but I didn't try what happens if this parameter is set to illegal values. I should try this. BTW, there's another partial parameter in the Sysex not editable on the S-760 itself, called ENV Depth Keyfollow. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 23 17:49:49 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-27970>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:47:47 -0400 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193677-27970>; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:47:35 -0400 Received: from uwimona.edu.jm by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (8.6.4/10.0) id SAA15495; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:47:39 -0400 Received: by uwimona.edu.jm (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19500; Thu, 23 Apr 98 16:47:35-050 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:49:15 -0400 To: sgroup From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: sgroup bug in s-760 cut and splice Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk hi ... has anyone else noticed a but in the s-760 os. 2.24 cut and splice algorithm....I was editing some samples and sometimes when I did cut and splice the sample would not play.....unless I did an undo or cut some other part of the sample.. then it would play again... even saving the sample to disk and reloading it didn't help... I would cut and splice and if the problem occur have to do some insignificant cut and splice even of one sample lenght of the entire SAMPLE for the sample to play again.. has anyone else experienced this? thanks, richard sven richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music Please note that Jamaica now has a new area code!!! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Apr 27 15:49:08 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-12107>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:47:11 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-12107>; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:47:04 -0400 Received: from dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.12]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id PAA22903 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id PAA01311 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Comments: PAA01311 on dogwood (hop 0), Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:46:54 -0400 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@dogwood To: sgroup Subject: sgroup VST/ recycle In-Reply-To: <01bd3d50$97975fc0$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk hi after the advice of people on this list, and other reasons ive decided to buy cubase VST. i have a little question first. a friend of mine has recycle 1.6, and it says in the manual that under the file menu ther should be an "export .REX" item to use with VST. it's not there. do you have to have VST on yr system for it to appear? id like to use the two together eventually. does it work as advertized? also, wheres a good (cheap) source to buy the latest version of cubase VST from? mike .::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 28 02:45:06 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193698-5407>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:43:03 -0400 Received: from dub-img-10.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.140]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193695-5407>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:42:57 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id CAA25692 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:39:20 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> Subject: sgroup memory To: sgroup Message-ID: <199804280242_MC2-3B39-F3BF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk If any s750 or s770 owners need memory, my local computer superstore has no-name mixed 1 meg 30 pins simms for $1.75. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com> ) Skylab2000 : Paperboy2000 : Mushroom Nation ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Apr 28 06:07:07 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193690-5408>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:05:43 -0400 Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.135]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193687-5408>; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:05:40 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id GAA15587 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:05:09 -0400 From: Stefano Daino Subject: sgroup New D-SoundPRO 3.5 for Mac is available To: Roland User List Message-ID: <199804280605_MC2-3B36-1A24@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hello everybody, The final 3.5 version of D-SoundPRO, the sound editor/software synthesizer/MIDI SCSI network manager is available on the web. Actually you find it at: http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac Next days it will be also: into Compuserve database, (MIDI Forum) into Info-mac database and mirrors http://www.synthzone.com/dsound.htm If you tried the 3.5 beta or previous versions, please download and try t= he final 3.5. I fixed some major bugs and added important new features. See the abstract here below. It is a shareware product, the archive you find on the web is fully operational. Try it and let me know your comments! If you need assistance, don't hesitate to write to me. Ciao Stefano Daino the author of D-SoundPRO sdaino@compuserve.com <------- D-SoundPRO 3.5 final release abstract -------------------> ******************************************************************** D-SoundPRO 3.5 COPYRIGHT =A9 1998 - Stefano Daino All rights reserved ******************************************************************** D-SoundPRO is a professional Audio Sound Editor, Software Synthesizer, Wa= ve Generator and samplers MIDI/SCSI network manager. Its features are: - Load/Save AIFF, SDII and .WAV mono/stereo 8/16 bits sound files up to 4= 8 kHz - Akai, E-MU, Kurzweil, Roland, SMDI, Yamaha SCSI sample dump supports - MIDI SAMPLE DUMP STANDARD (also with Yamaha SY sample headers) and S50= , S550, S330 MIDI supports - Virtual Synthesizer module, to play samples from the Mac Keyboard or fr= om MIDI (also from a sequencer running on the same Mac), including a real ti= me AmpENV ADSR module. - Midi Notes, Pitch Bender, Sustain Pedal real time midi messages support= to play the Virtual Synthesizer - Import/Export sounds from 3 1/2 Roland=AE Samplers Disks (W30, S50, S55= 0, S330) - Import/Export sounds in RAW format - Sophisticated and undoable sample edit & clipboard management with Redo= function - Floating palettes for edit tools, loops monitoring, sample info, and Virtual Keyboard. - X-Fade looping algorithm with programmable window length & X-fade coefficient - Time Stretching (with old/new BPM tempo input parameters) and Frequency= Shifting parametric algorithms by a Spectral Resynthesizer - DSP Mono, Stereo, MultiTap Delay, Stereo Chorus, Early Reflection Reverbers and Stereoizer effects - LowPass, BandPass, HighPass and BandReject analog filter simulation wit= h feedback up to self resonance (-12, -24, -36, -48 dB/oct selectable curve= s) - Full Parametric (Freq, Q, Gain) three ways and 7 Bands Graphic Equalize= rs (+/- 18dB) = - Rhythm loop for fast auto looping of musical audio files - Detect BPM function, to know which is the tempo from an audio file - HQ Digital Oscillator functions to generate new synthesized sound waves= (up to 10 detunable SW oscillators at the same time!) - Resample using interpolation - Pitch conversion - Normalization - Complex sample extraction functions - Zooms and visual tools - New Internal MIDI Driver and OMS 1.2 (or better) or FreeMidi (1.34 or better) optional support - It is a FAT application - it runs native on PowerMac - Japanese and Italian versions available (German and French very soon) - User Manual included = System requirements: System 7.1, SoundManager 3.1 and a 68020 MAC supporting 16 bit audio (68030 mac recommended for MIDI and PowerMac for full performaces). = Optional: MIDI interface and synth supporting MIDI Sample Dump Standard, = a MAC with sound inputs, OMS 1.2 (or better), FreeMidi 1.34 (or better). D-SoundPRO is a program which is distributed as SHAREWARE. This version i= s fully operating. You are permitted to use it on a trial basis for up to = 15 days. If you wish to continue using this product beyond that period, you are expected to pay a registration fee of $39 (the update fee for version= 2.x registered users is $10). You will receive a registration code which you may enter to eliminate registration screens. Thank you for your help to this shareware product. You can distribute an unregistered copy of D-SoundPRO 3.5 on commercial CD-ROM if you include also all files you find in archive as they are. You= are kindly request to send me a free copy of your CD-ROM. = For the Italian, 68000 and 68k+FPU versions please write to me. This is my E-Mail for informations, help and bugs report: Stefano Daino sdaino@compuserve.com VERSIONS HISTORY: = ******************************************************** What is NEW in Version 3.5 (final release) (20-04-98) - New Internal Midi Driver with new parser of midi messages (OMS is now n= ot mandatory) - Now the positional marker moves itself playing using the space bar - New feedback auto-gain function built into the analog filters simulatio= n, to avoid the immediate saturation of the audio signal - Now at full graphical zoom-in the sound wave can be displayed as lines = or as dots (it is a selectable option). = - Better HD based clipboard management - Fixed a major bug at startup causing immediate crashes or application instability in certain configurations - Fixed a occasional problem receiving midi Sustain Pedal OFF message - Fixed some other major and minor bugs - New User Manual included (sorry for my broken English...) ******************************************************** What is NEW in Version 3.5 beta (18-02-98) - Redo function - A3000 and S2000 OS2 SCSI sample dumps support - LowPass, BandPass, HighPass and BandReject analog filter simulation wit= h feedback up to self resonance (-12, -24, -36, -48 dB/oct selectable curve= s) - Full Parametric (Freq, Q, Gain) three ways and 7 Bands Graphic Equalize= rs (+/- 18dB) - Chorus and Early Reflections Reverber stereo effects - Detect BPM function, to know which is the tempo from an audio file - New Time Stretching input parameters, also based on old/new BPM values - Repeat audio function - X-Paste function, to paste the clipboard with programmable FadeIn/FadeO= ut times - Change Gain function with programmable FadeIn/FadeOut times - Now Kurzweil SCSI dump works also for stereo audio files - New memory managemet, now it is more efficient. - Many functions are faster and the code optimized - Minor and Major bugs fixed = - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 30 06:04:46 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193690-474>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:02:51 -0400 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il ([194.90.1.13]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-474>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:02:44 -0400 Received: from ronen_h (ts001p4.tlv.netvision.net.il [199.203.200.24]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA27219 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:01:05 +0300 (IDT) Message-ID: <008b01bd741f$ac8ef4a0$18c8cbc7@ronen_h> From: "Ronen Hillel" To: Subject: sgroup i want out Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:06:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk i want out of the list thank you - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 30 06:06:55 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193706-474>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:06:35 -0400 Received: from mail1D.dns.microsoft.com ([195.17.129.12]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-474>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:06:24 -0400 Received: by DUB-IMC-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:06:21 +0100 Message-ID: From: Peter Fitzpatrick To: sgroup Subject: RE: sgroup i want out Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:01:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk then try reading the message that is placed at the bottom of every mail you receive from the list. also take a look at the introductory mail you received when you subscribed. ...I haven't had my coffee yet and I'm grumpy as hell..... ;-) Peter Fitzpatrick Multimedia Production Manager -----Original Message----- From: Ronen Hillel [mailto:ronen_h@netvision.net.il] Sent: 30 April 1998 11:07 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup i want out i want out of the list thank you - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Apr 30 17:20:21 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-1960>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:17:26 -0400 Received: from mail.magi.com ([204.191.213.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-1960>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:17:15 -0400 Received: from ts12-05.ott.istar.ca (198.53.7.52) [198.53.7.52] by mail.magi.com with smtp (Exim 1.80 #5) id 0yV0jL-0004Y0-00; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:19:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3548A388.33AC@magi.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:15:11 -0400 From: dave Reply-To: dpattee@magi.com Organization: pyrex13 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Roland S-550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi, This is going out to anybody who has one and would like to sell. Actually, I would prefer that the individual who is willing to psrt with it is in Canada. I, however, would not be that fussed if the price is right. I want to avoid hefty tariffs and brokerage fees is all. Thank you dave - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca