From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 2 06:16:28 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193694-22327>; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:14:18 -0500 Received: from arl-img-10.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.140]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-22327>; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:14:08 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id GAA14076 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:14:05 -0500 (EST) Date:Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:13:33 -0500 From: Stefano Daino Subject: sgroup D-SoundPRO 3.5 Beta (for Mac) is available To: Roland User List Message-ID: <199803020614_MC2-352F-1F5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hello everybody, the new version of D-SoundPRO, the shareware sound editor for Mac, is available. It is the version 3.5 beta. I tested it for some weeks, it see= ms to be free of major bugs and ready to be distributed. If you want, please= try it and send to me an e-mail to tell me if it works fine and your comments. It includes some very important new features. Here below there is a short= abstract. You find a patch to update your version 3.1.2 to 3.5 at: http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac To apply it, you need the 3.1.2 version you find in the same web site. If= you don't know D-SoundPRO, in the same place you can read an short text abstract about all its features. Next weeks the complete 3.5 archive will be available on the web, it will= include also the new user manual. Let me know your comments! Ciao Stefano Daino the author of D-SoundPRO sdaino@compuserve.com ******************************************************** What is NEW in Version 3.5 (18-02-98) - Redo function - A3000 and S2000 OS2 SCSI sample dumps support - LowPass, BandPass, HighPass and BandReject analog filter simulation wit= h feedback up to self resonance (-12, -24, -36, -48 dB/oct selectable curve= s) - Full Parametric (Freq, Q, Gain) three ways and 7 Bands Graphic Equalize= rs (+/- 18dB) - Chorus and Early Reflections Reverber stereo effects - Detect BPM function, to know which is the tempo from an audio file - New Time Stretching input parameters, also based on old/new BPM values - Repeat audio function - X-Paste function, to paste the clipboard with programmable FadeIn/FadeO= ut times - Change Gain function with programmable FadeIn/FadeOut times - Now Kurzweil SCSI dump works also for stereo audio files - New memory managemet, now it is more efficient. - Many functions are faster and the code optimized - Minor bugs fixed - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 3 10:20:33 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-14287>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:17:26 -0500 Received: from smtp.enteract.com ([206.54.252.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-14288>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:17:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 10933 invoked from network); 3 Mar 1998 15:17:16 -0000 Received: from 4.prairiecomm.com (HELO prairiecomm.com) (207.229.152.196) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 1998 15:17:16 -0000 Received: from raven by prairiecomm.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25847; Tue, 3 Mar 98 09:14:21 CST Reply-To: "Paul Knight" From: "Paul Knight" To: "sgroup" Subject: sgroup W30 SCSI / S550 SCSI Compatibility? Date:Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:17:11 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd46b7$704a9f20$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hello! I was just wondering if anyone ever looked into the possibility that the W30 SCSI upgrade might work in the S550? Cheers, Paul - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 4 13:04:58 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-16948>; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:00:46 -0500 Received: from mbox.vol.it ([195.31.190.111]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-16948>; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:00:42 -0500 Received: from brunello.tin.it (Napoli10-19.tin.it [195.31.145.18]) by mbox.vol.it (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07864 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:00:21 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980304185639.006a23a0@mbox.vol.it> X-Sender: brunello@mbox.vol.it (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date:Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:56:42 -0500 To: sgroup From: Brunello Subject: sgroup O.T. :Help with the SoundMan Wave Logitech and it's Win95 Midi driver !!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi to Everybody!! My problem is simple... I got Soundman Wave Logitech and a msmpu401 midi port . Until yesterday I used to control my expanders with the msmpu401 port using the Soundman audio device only for the games,and not as midi device. Until yesterday the msmpu401.drv was present into my Device Manager and into Huby's Loop and into CW3.0 Setting Midi Device Panel. Now I've installed the Wave95.drv,replacing the old one that was made for Win 3.1. Contemporary the msmpu401.drv seems to be disappeared from the device panel and from Huby's loop panel,despite the msmpu401.drv is still present into Win system directory. Actually I can't play nothing:no midi messages. What can I do? Thanks in advance and sorry for the off-topic. Bruno from Naples,Italy Please answer to my personal email adress - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 7 11:35:31 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-19898>; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:29:50 -0500 Received: from mailcrunch.cis.co.za ([196.2.16.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-19898>; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 11:29:40 -0500 Received: from cyber7 (cpt-ts522-98.mweb.co.za [196.2.56.98]) by mailcrunch.cis.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA06717; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 18:29:14 -0200 (GMT) Message-Id: <199803072029.SAA06717@mailcrunch.cis.co.za> Date:Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:04:40 -0500 From: cyber7 <"kloppers"@ufrmsa1.olivetti.za (remove-spam) > Reply-To: remove-spam Organization: cyber7 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NS-USR (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Holmes CC: Jeremy Roberts , Doug Rogers , sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup SAMPLE CDROMS EXCHANGE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hey, I am now sick of this absolute SHiTe!!! YOU are the reason for me sending this message. I know there are people who contrabute and people who listens... READ THE EXAMPLE and then try to take me to YOUR police state!!! 1. I have a CD (from ie. SAMPLEHEADS.) 2. I think it sucks. 3. I offer to swap it (with say TIME&SPACE) Now take this and shove it!!! I can do with my property what I like. In my country you people were always fast enough to point a finger to show the corruption! As a first time sample buyer 10 years ago I also 'stole' samples, but without that learning curve YOU would not have made R10 000.00+ over the last 10 years from me. At R850-1200 a shot (And I am talking about the PRE-SET stuff) I can drive a CORSA (Not that I wanted to :) As a last point, I HATE SPAMS, I HATE MESSAGES WITH NO POINT! Let's keep this about the S Samplers? fanks 7 -- _________________________ _ / cyber7 \ _ / \ / from \ / \ / \ / "I-freek-in-sud" \ / \ / \/ "sevEn - The only way to goa" \/ \ ------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 16 08:28:40 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193699-20528>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:27:32 -0500 Received: from smtp.enteract.com ([206.54.252.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-20528>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:27:22 -0500 Received: (qmail 14337 invoked from network); 16 Mar 1998 13:27:21 -0000 Received: from 4.prairiecomm.com (HELO prairiecomm.com) (207.229.152.196) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 1998 13:27:21 -0000 Received: from raven by prairiecomm.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02592; Mon, 16 Mar 98 07:24:22 CST Reply-To: "Paul Knight" From: "Paul Knight" To: "sgroup" Subject: sgroup S760/Sound Forge SCSI Transfers possible? Date:Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:27:24 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd50df$415b6640$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Also - does anyone know if Sound Forge 4.0 (running under Win3.1) is capable of SCSI transfers to/from the S760? Many thanks for your help, Paul - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 16 08:28:41 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193691-20529>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:26:01 -0500 Received: from smtp.enteract.com ([206.54.252.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-20529>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:25:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 14244 invoked from network); 16 Mar 1998 13:25:52 -0000 Received: from 4.prairiecomm.com (HELO prairiecomm.com) (207.229.152.196) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 1998 13:25:52 -0000 Received: from raven by prairiecomm.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02578; Mon, 16 Mar 98 07:22:53 CST Reply-To: "Paul Knight" From: "Paul Knight" To: "sgroup" Subject: sgroup Can the S760 read/load S550 Sample Disks? Date:Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:25:54 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd50df$0bd528d0$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Just curious, as I'm contemplating the purchase of a '760; can I use my library of S550 sample disks with the S760, without a lot of reprogramming (much like the convert disk/convert load functions on the S550 for S50 disks)? Thanks, Paul - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 17 08:38:12 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193700-9103>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:34:46 -0500 Received: from smtp.enteract.com ([206.54.252.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-9103>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:34:40 -0500 Received: (qmail 29549 invoked from network); 17 Mar 1998 13:34:42 -0000 Received: from 4.prairiecomm.com (HELO prairiecomm.com) (207.229.152.196) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 1998 13:34:42 -0000 Received: from raven by prairiecomm.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21174; Tue, 17 Mar 98 07:31:41 CST Reply-To: "Paul Knight" From: "Paul Knight" To: "sgroup" Subject: sgroup Thanks for S760 Info! Date:Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:34:45 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd51a9$7306f2c0$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who provided me info on the S760. I really appreciate it. Cheers, Paul - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 17 20:01:04 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193711-9103>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:00:22 -0500 Received: from mail.airmail.net ([206.66.12.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-9103>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:00:15 -0500 Received: from [207.136.9.122] from [207.136.9.122] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with esmtp for sender: id ; Tue, 17 Mar 98 19:00:13 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: omz23@mail.airmail.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:58:49 -0500 To: sgroup From: omz Subject: sgroup S760 + tv = hum Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I have the video out of my 760 running into the video in on my vcr (which also has a cable box hooked up to it) and then into a tv. that way i can switch from tv/vcr/sampler with a press of the tv/vcr button. but...there is a very bad hum, sounds like 60 cycles. this completely disappears when i unplug the video out on the 760. anyone else have this problem and what can i do about it!!! this is driving me nuts!!! i experienced this to a degree with a s330 hooked up to a monochrome monitor, but this is much, much worse. help :) _______________________________________________________ OMZ Beautamous Loaf Int'l Records - http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ Alejandro Jodorowsky WWW - http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 17 20:52:55 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-9103>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:52:18 -0500 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu ([128.32.25.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193711-9104>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:52:07 -0500 Received: from [136.152.26.34] (clkhomeip.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.26.34]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23564 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:52:03 -0800 (PST) Date:Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:52:03 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 3.0 for Macintosh To: sgroup From: Chris Kirkham Subject: Re: sgroup S760 + tv = hum Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I do not have this problem, and I run my S760 thru a VCR (SVHS). Are you running a composite signal? That may be sketchier. Chris >I have the video out of my 760 running into the video in on my vcr (which >also has a cable box hooked up to it) and then into a tv. that way i can >switch from tv/vcr/sampler with a press of the tv/vcr button. but...there >is a very bad hum, sounds like 60 cycles. this completely disappears when >i unplug the video out on the 760. anyone else have this problem and what >can i do about it!!! this is driving me nuts!!! > >i experienced this to a degree with a s330 hooked up to a monochrome >monitor, but this is much, much worse. > >help :) *********************** Chris Kirkham ckirkham@uclink4.berkeley.edu (510)665-1986 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 18 06:44:37 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-28732>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:41:54 -0500 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-28732>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:41:51 -0500 Received: from 195.71.96.128 (dtmd-m96-128.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.128]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id MAA18441 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:41:46 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <350F818B.7125@cww.de> Date:Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:10:53 -0500 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Can the S760 read/load S550 Sample Disks? References: <01bd50df$0bd528d0$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Paul Knight wrote: > > Just curious, as I'm contemplating the purchase of a '760; can I use my > library of S550 sample disks with the S760, without a lot of > reprogramming (much like the convert disk/convert load functions on the > S550 for S50 disks)? Yes. You have to do some reprogramming, if the S-550 patch uses two tones per key. The S-760 creates two separate patches in this case :-( The S-760 has no sub-tones like the S-550, so each sub-tone is converted into a different sample, although the sample data are same. If the start/loop/end point data of the original tone and the sub-tones are same, it would be possible to use only one sample and create several S-760 partials, thus saving some memory space. But this is not done by the convert load function automatically. And, if some weird envelope settings on the S-550 have been used (e.g. more than one segment after the release point), sometimes you will have to readjust the S-760 envelope. The S-760's envelope generators are not as powerful as the ones of the S-550. I'm wondering how many S-760 users interested in using Roland's S-50/S-550 sample library are here? Maybe we could share some work? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 18 06:44:55 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-28733>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:42:12 -0500 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-28733>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:42:06 -0500 Received: from 195.71.96.128 (dtmd-m96-128.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.128]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id MAA18498 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:41:59 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <350FA643.2B45@cww.de> Date:Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:47:40 -0500 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S760 + tv = hum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk omz wrote: > > I have the video out of my 760 running into the video in on my vcr (which > also has a cable box hooked up to it) and then into a tv. that way i can > switch from tv/vcr/sampler with a press of the tv/vcr button. but...there > is a very bad hum, sounds like 60 cycles. this completely disappears when > i unplug the video out on the 760. anyone else have this problem and what > can i do about it!!! this is driving me nuts!!! Sounds like a ground loop. Does it still hum when you disconnect the antenna from the tv? BTW, what is a cable box? A cable tv receiver? Maybe you should try to disconnect this too. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 18 06:53:21 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-28733>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:52:58 -0500 Received: from halley.planet.it ([195.103.0.201]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-28733>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:52:47 -0500 Received: from luka (pri1-38.planet.it [195.103.1.38]) by halley.planet.it (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 167-40284U5000L500S0) with ESMTP id AAA4085 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:52:29 +0100 Message-ID: <350FB4B5.3013F0F0@planet.it> Date:Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:49:09 -0500 From: Luca Saponaro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: S-group Subject: sgroup S-330 and midi sds X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Is it possible to transfer samples to the S-330 using MIDI SDS?

If so, which softrware do you suggest? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 18 08:48:01 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-28733>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:47:32 -0500 Received: from ns2.eds.com ([199.228.142.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193678-28733>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:47:21 -0500 Received: from nnsp.eds.com (nnsp2.eds.com [199.228.143.130]) by ns2.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14462 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsp.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA24412 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA37226; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:49:48 -0500 Message-Id: <9803181349.AA37226@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 18 Mar 98 8:41:10 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 18 Mar 98 8:40:47 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:40:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: sgroup Sampled - Sample Editor Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi, I came across Sampled - a sample editor by Gabriele Giuseppini. It currently supports the Roland S-50 and S-330 with plans to support all Roland S-series samplers (and others) along with .wav files. Location: http://www.dis.uniroma1.it/~acm/sampled/ Here's the scoop: * It's a DOS program that seems to be difficult to get working for Win95 users. It did work for me though. It has a very slick interface. * Plans are to build a Win95 version when time allows. * It loads, edits and saves individual samples only (from the original sample disk). It doesn't save entire sample disks :-( * It has lots of editing features! * It's free! My brief experience was that it worked as stated but I had trouble auditioning S-50 samples once loaded. Thought others may be interested in checking it out. It's definitely worth it. I don't remember seeing this software referred to previously in sgroup. Brian Layzell ************* Brian Layzell ************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 18 18:46:09 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-28733>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:45:08 -0500 Received: from mail.airmail.net ([206.66.12.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-28733>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:44:58 -0500 Received: from [206.66.4.131] from [206.66.4.131] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with esmtp for sender: id ; Wed, 18 Mar 98 17:44:56 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: omz23@mail.airmail.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <350F57FA.DB147460@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:43:33 -0500 To: sgroup From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup S760 + tv = hum Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >> I have the video out of my 760 running into the video in on my vcr (which >> also has a cable box hooked up to it) and then into a tv. that way i can >> switch from tv/vcr/sampler with a press of the tv/vcr button. but...there >> is a very bad hum, sounds like 60 cycles. this completely disappears when >> i unplug the video out on the 760. anyone else have this problem and what >> can i do about it!!! this is driving me nuts!!! >> i experienced this to a degree with a s330 hooked up to a monochrome >> monitor, but this is much, much worse. >> help :) >Is your trouble only when sampling..or constant? If only during sampling, >did you try turning off the TV? nope, it's constant. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 18 18:50:37 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193686-28732>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:50:22 -0500 Received: from mail.airmail.net ([206.66.12.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-28733>; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:50:09 -0500 Received: from [206.66.4.131] from [206.66.4.131] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with esmtp for sender: id ; Wed, 18 Mar 98 17:50:01 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: omz23@mail.airmail.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <350FA643.2B45@cww.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:48:37 -0500 To: sgroup From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup S760 + tv = hum Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >> I have the video out of my 760 running into the video in on my vcr (which >> also has a cable box hooked up to it) and then into a tv. that way i can >> switch from tv/vcr/sampler with a press of the tv/vcr button. but...there >> is a very bad hum, sounds like 60 cycles. this completely disappears when >> i unplug the video out on the 760. anyone else have this problem and what >> can i do about it!!! this is driving me nuts!!! >Sounds like a ground loop. Does it still hum when you disconnect the >antenna from the tv? there is no antenna, i have cable. >BTW, what is a cable box? A cable tv receiver? Maybe you should try to >disconnect this too. i would like to keep the cable box (regular cable company issue) for sampling from tv, and the occasional tv watching in the studio :) >I do not have this problem, and I run my S760 thru a VCR (SVHS). Are you >running a composite signal? That may be sketchier. Yes, it is the composite signal. i dont have a svhs vcr. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 19 01:18:59 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193687-16320>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:16:55 -0500 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu ([128.32.25.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-16321>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:16:45 -0500 Received: from [136.152.26.34] (clkhomeip.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.26.34]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13916; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:16:32 -0800 (PST) Date:Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:16:32 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <350F818B.7125@cww.de> References: <01bd50df$0bd528d0$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 3.0 for Macintosh To: debus@cww.de, sgroup From: Chris Kirkham Subject: sgroup S50 S550 S770 librarys converted to 760 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I have done a tremendous amount of work converting and nameing the S50 and S550 libraries off the net to S760 format. I am still working on the S50 set. I have also downloaded all of the 770 library. I have a CD burner too. I suppose I could sell CDs with all this stuff for the cost of all of the time of conversion, naming and burning and the cost of the CD, but I don't know if this would be legal, becaue even though the samples are free, they are Roland's. I think the 550 library is pretty good actually. I don't know what the difference is between the S50 and the S550 libraries (in terms of content, not sample format), because I really haven't had a chance to listen to the S50 library. Chris >Paul Knight wrote: >> >> Just curious, as I'm contemplating the purchase of a '760; can I use my >> library of S550 sample disks with the S760, without a lot of >> reprogramming (much like the convert disk/convert load functions on the >> S550 for S50 disks)? > >Yes. You have to do some reprogramming, if the S-550 patch uses two >tones per key. The S-760 creates two separate patches in this case :-( >The S-760 has no sub-tones like the S-550, so each sub-tone is converted >into a different sample, although the sample data are same. If the >start/loop/end point data of the original tone and the sub-tones are >same, it would be possible to use only one sample and create several >S-760 partials, thus saving some memory space. But this is not done by >the convert load function automatically. >And, if some weird envelope settings on the S-550 have been used (e.g. >more than one segment after the release point), sometimes you will have >to readjust the S-760 envelope. The S-760's envelope generators are not >as powerful as the ones of the S-550. > >I'm wondering how many S-760 users interested in using Roland's >S-50/S-550 sample library are here? Maybe we could share some work? > >Ingo > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca !*********V***********!CHRIS KIRKHAM!*********N************! Industrial hygiene & industrial/electronic/soundtrack music !*********T***********!(510)665-1986!*********X************! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 19 04:35:20 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193687-16320>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:34:47 -0500 Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com ([169.207.16.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-16320>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:34:41 -0500 Received: from execpc.com (cygnus.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.73.84]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id DAA10238 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:34:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3510E7CB.E609D323@execpc.com> Date:Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:39:23 -0500 From: Tim Curtis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sgroup Subject: sgroup Lost the URL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Okay - I'm an idiot and I lost the URL to the ftp site. Could someone please help me out here? Thanks, Tim - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 19 08:11:52 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193687-16320>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:11:03 -0500 Received: from angel.uunet.ca ([142.77.1.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-16320>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:10:59 -0500 Received: from pollux.uunet.ca ([205.150.160.111]) by angel.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <17425-5893>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:10:49 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by pollux.uunet.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA00343; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:52:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Date:Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:52:47 -0500 From: John Sellens Message-Id: <199803191152.GAA00343@pollux.uunet.ca> To: sexsymbol@execpc.com, sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Lost the URL Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk | From sexsymbol@execpc.com Thu Mar 19 04:38:26 1998 | Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:39:23 -0500 | From: Tim Curtis | To: Sgroup | Subject: sgroup Lost the URL | | Okay - I'm an idiot and I lost the URL to the ftp site. Could someone | please help me out here? Nope - you're not an idiot. There is not currently an sgroup FTP site, but it's something that I'm (slowly) working on fixing. John jsellens@uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 19 09:24:49 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193687-16320>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:24:16 -0500 Received: from osage.gate.net ([198.206.134.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-16321>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:24:06 -0500 Received: from gate.net (dfbfl5-121.gate.net [199.227.117.248]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA80466; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:23:43 -0500 Message-ID: <35112BDE.D7019271@gate.net> Date:Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:29:52 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Kirkham , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup S50 S550 S770 librarys converted to 760 References: <01bd50df$0bd528d0$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk If these sounds are copyrighted by Roland, you will likely have to get 3 licenses from Roland: *sound recording license - for the actual duplicates of the exact samples *performance license - for your recordings of the sound *mechanical license - for the printing of the CDs Since (as far as I know) these samples are pretty old, and since they are freely distributed, you won't have a problem with Roland's consent...but, you'd better still be safe and get everything in writing...especially after all the work you've done! -adam- Chris Kirkham wrote: > I have done a tremendous amount of work converting and nameing the S50 and > S550 libraries off the net to S760 format. I am still working on the S50 > set. I have also downloaded all of the 770 library. > I have a CD burner too. I suppose I could sell CDs with all this stuff for > the cost of all of the time of conversion, naming and burning and the cost > of the CD, but I don't know if this would be legal, becaue even though the > samples are free, they are Roland's. I think the 550 library is pretty > good actually. I don't know what the difference is between the S50 and the > S550 libraries (in terms of content, not sample format), because I really > haven't had a chance to listen to the S50 library. > > Chris > > >Paul Knight wrote: > >> > >> Just curious, as I'm contemplating the purchase of a '760; can I use my > >> library of S550 sample disks with the S760, without a lot of > >> reprogramming (much like the convert disk/convert load functions on the > >> S550 for S50 disks)? > > > >Yes. You have to do some reprogramming, if the S-550 patch uses two > >tones per key. The S-760 creates two separate patches in this case :-( > >The S-760 has no sub-tones like the S-550, so each sub-tone is converted > >into a different sample, although the sample data are same. If the > >start/loop/end point data of the original tone and the sub-tones are > >same, it would be possible to use only one sample and create several > >S-760 partials, thus saving some memory space. But this is not done by > >the convert load function automatically. > >And, if some weird envelope settings on the S-550 have been used (e.g. > >more than one segment after the release point), sometimes you will have > >to readjust the S-760 envelope. The S-760's envelope generators are not > >as powerful as the ones of the S-550. > > > >I'm wondering how many S-760 users interested in using Roland's > >S-50/S-550 sample library are here? Maybe we could share some work? > > > >Ingo > > > > > > > >- > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > !*********V***********!CHRIS KIRKHAM!*********N************! > Industrial hygiene & industrial/electronic/soundtrack music > !*********T***********!(510)665-1986!*********X************! > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 19 13:21:33 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-16320>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:20:37 -0500 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net ([198.206.134.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-16320>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:20:27 -0500 Received: from gate.net (dfbfl2-42.gate.net [199.227.116.42]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA54258; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: <35116331.84C27440@gate.net> Date:Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:25:54 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: statik@gate.net, "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" , Chris Kirkham Subject: Re: sgroup S50 S550 S770 librarys converted to 760 References: <01bd50df$0bd528d0$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> <35112BDE.D7019271@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > Since (as far as I know) these samples are pretty old, and since they are > freely distributed, you won't have a problem with Roland's consent I meant to write that you "shouldn't" have a problem w/consent :) > Chris Kirkham wrote: > > > I have done a tremendous amount of work converting and nameing the S50 and > > S550 libraries off the net to S760 format. I am still working on the S50 > > set. I have also downloaded all of the 770 library. > > I have a CD burner too. I suppose I could sell CDs with all this stuff for > > the cost of all of the time of conversion, naming and burning and the cost > > of the CD, but I don't know if this would be legal, becaue even though the > > samples are free, they are Roland's. I think the 550 library is pretty > > good actually. I don't know what the difference is between the S50 and the > > S550 libraries (in terms of content, not sample format), because I really > > haven't had a chance to listen to the S50 library. > > > > Chris > > > > >Paul Knight wrote: > > >> > > >> Just curious, as I'm contemplating the purchase of a '760; can I use my > > >> library of S550 sample disks with the S760, without a lot of > > >> reprogramming (much like the convert disk/convert load functions on the > > >> S550 for S50 disks)? > > > > > >Yes. You have to do some reprogramming, if the S-550 patch uses two > > >tones per key. The S-760 creates two separate patches in this case :-( > > >The S-760 has no sub-tones like the S-550, so each sub-tone is converted > > >into a different sample, although the sample data are same. If the > > >start/loop/end point data of the original tone and the sub-tones are > > >same, it would be possible to use only one sample and create several > > >S-760 partials, thus saving some memory space. But this is not done by > > >the convert load function automatically. > > >And, if some weird envelope settings on the S-550 have been used (e.g. > > >more than one segment after the release point), sometimes you will have > > >to readjust the S-760 envelope. The S-760's envelope generators are not > > >as powerful as the ones of the S-550. > > > > > >I'm wondering how many S-760 users interested in using Roland's > > >S-50/S-550 sample library are here? Maybe we could share some work? > > > > > >Ingo > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > > !*********V***********!CHRIS KIRKHAM!*********N************! > > Industrial hygiene & industrial/electronic/soundtrack music > > !*********T***********!(510)665-1986!*********X************! > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 20 03:21:44 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-3160>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:20:27 -0500 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193690-3161>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:20:14 -0500 Received: from 195.71.96.190 (dtmd-m96-190.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.190]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id JAA20594 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:20:10 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3510E027.4CEA@cww.de> Date:Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:07:00 -0500 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S760 + tv = hum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk omz wrote: > i would like to keep the cable box (regular cable company issue) for > sampling from tv, and the occasional tv watching in the studio :) I meant, just try it to find out if it is a ground loop problem or not. If it is, maybe a tv service technician can help you. Does it still hum when you disconnect all outputs and use headphones? If it doesn't, you could try a DI-box between the S-760 and the mixing console. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 20 03:21:45 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193691-3161>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:20:14 -0500 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-3161>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:20:08 -0500 Received: from 195.71.96.190 (dtmd-m96-190.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.190]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id JAA20579 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:20:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3510DE49.3F10@cww.de> Date:Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:59:01 -0500 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S50 S550 S770 librarys converted to 760 References: <01bd50df$0bd528d0$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Chris Kirkham wrote: > > I have done a tremendous amount of work converting and nameing the S50 and > S550 libraries off the net to S760 format. I am still working on the S50 > set. I have also downloaded all of the 770 library. > I have a CD burner too. I suppose I could sell CDs with all this stuff for > the cost of all of the time of conversion, naming and burning and the cost > of the CD, but I don't know if this would be legal, becaue even though the > samples are free, they are Roland's. This question could only be answered by Roland themselves, I think. Maybe they would even pay for your work, if you make it freely available? > I think the 550 library is pretty > good actually. I don't know what the difference is between the S50 and the > S550 libraries (in terms of content, not sample format), because I really > haven't had a chance to listen to the S50 library. How could you convert them without listening to them? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 20 07:48:51 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193690-3161>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:48:26 -0500 Received: from angel.uunet.ca ([205.150.160.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-3161>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:48:23 -0500 Received: from pollux.uunet.ca ([209.47.143.131]) by angel.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <17428-8141>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:48:17 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by pollux.uunet.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA08051 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:48:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193672-3161>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:19:58 -0500 Received: from 195.71.96.190 (dtmd-m96-190.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.190]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id JAA20516 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:19:54 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3510D1F7.3E62@cww.de> Date:Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:06:20 -0500 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S-330 and midi sds References: <350FB4B5.3013F0F0@planet.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Luca Saponaro wrote: > > Is it possible to transfer samples to the S-330 using MIDI SDS? No, the S-330 uses its own Sysex format to transfer samples. > If so, which softrware do you suggest? Which platform? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 20 08:01:38 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193690-3161>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:01:09 -0500 Received: from mail1.uct.ac.za ([137.158.128.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-3161>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:01:03 -0500 Received: from mort by mail1.uct.ac.za with local (Exim 1.70 #2) id 0yG1Ph-0006QK-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:00:45 +0200 Received: by mail1.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.22) id 565 from STUART@SOCSCI; Fri Mar 20 15:00:45 1998 From: "John Stuart" To: sgroup Date:Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:30:24 -0500 Subject: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Thanks Brian Layzell for drawing our attention to this package: >Location: http://www.dis.uniroma1.it/~acm/sampled/ I haven't used it yet (no support yet for w30/s550), but I have a query that will stand regardless of its performance. My problem is trying to create sample loops in PC packages (like Soundforge) that are as good as the auto looped, or even manually-generated loops in my w30 samples. Up to now, My success in Soundforge or Vienna has been that low that I've preferred to sample in the w30 and covert to .wav using AWAVE (with loss of sound detail in having to sample at 12 bits) . The loops are not always preserved properly though. My question is: is there an easy way (as easy as on a Roland Sampler) to generate loops in PC packages like Soundforge of Vienna? Is there another package I could get? If anyone knows I'd be most grateful. [As an example of a technique I use on my w30, and which is *not* available in the above-mentioned packages. To loop a really complex, modulated tone on my w30 I use `reverse loop'. Provided the sample length is sufficient (at least 0.8s, preferably 1.2s), you reverse over a full cycle of the modulated wave, thereby creating a natural-sounding continuation of the tone. In the the w30 I can `hand pick' the loop point using peak select (not in the two PC packages), what a pleasure.] Thanks, john cape town sa - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 20 10:34:18 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-3160>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:33:28 -0500 Received: from smtp.enteract.com ([206.54.252.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193672-3160>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:33:22 -0500 Received: (qmail 7102 invoked from network); 20 Mar 1998 15:33:22 -0000 Received: from 4.prairiecomm.com (HELO prairiecomm.com) (207.229.152.196) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 1998 15:33:22 -0000 Received: from raven by prairiecomm.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13240; Fri, 20 Mar 98 09:30:19 CST Reply-To: "Paul Knight" From: "Paul Knight" To: "sgroup" Subject: sgroup FS: S550 Date:Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:33:13 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd5415$7ef05d10$e998e5cf@raven.prairiecomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Unit is in excellent condition, fully functional, and includes the mouse, manual and a healthy library (most Roland and a few MidiMark and Patchman disks) $350 + shipping If you're interested, please drop me a note. Thanks, Paul paul.knight@prairiecomm.com -OR- PEKnSLK@aol.com (preferred email) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 21 16:30:01 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193708-21579>; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:24:43 -0500 Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193684-21580>; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:24:29 -0500 Received: from grifgraf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.88.198]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2027253; 21 Mar 98 21:11 GMT Message-ID: <3512DC7F.2DDF@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Date:Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:15:44 -0500 From: pete X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk John Stuart inquired: > My question is: is there an easy > way (as easy as on a Roland Sampler) to generate loops in PC packages > like Soundforge of Vienna? Is there another package I could get? Hur hur, I would be very surprised. The looping system in the Roland OS is incredibly good and very quick, even on the early machines, because the you hear the changing loop in real-time as you move it around. I've never seen any other hardware or software that performs that particular stunt. My mate who has an A*ai sampler couldn't believe it; he doesn't loop things because he doesn't want to die of old age in the process. Still, I hope you find something... Pete - - - - - - - - - - Sign here please - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 21 17:31:41 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193714-21580>; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:28:58 -0500 Received: from shell.wco.com ([199.4.94.16]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193684-21580>; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:28:55 -0500 Received: (from ai@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) id OAA28061; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:28:50 -0800 (PST) Date:Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:28:50 -0500 From: ai Message-Id: <199803212228.OAA28061@shell.wco.com> To: sgroup Subject: sgroup S760 .wav/.aiff Mac->S760 xfers; Also: S760 pre-emphasis Cc: ai@shell.wco.com Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hello, This may have been asked before - so sorry for the re-post: 1. Does the S/PDIF inputs on the S760 apply the 'famous' S760 pre-emphasis EQ to the incoming digital signal? 2. If so - is it the same curve that is applied to the analog inputs? 3. What Shareware or Cost-ware exists for the Mac that will add the *same* S760 pre-emphasis curve to a sample on the Mac - then send this sample to the S760 digital S/PDIF input? (TransferStation?, D-SoundPro? or Bias??) 4. Basically - what I want to be able to do is: a. load .wav (or .aiff) format samples from my Mac to a S760, using a digital transfer (SCSI or S/PDIF : Mac -> S760) b. have the resulting sample on ths S760 have the correct pre-emphasis curve on it Thanks in advance for any info on this to me at: ai @ wco.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 22 00:08:50 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193708-5077>; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:07:25 -0500 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com ([192.100.81.132]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-5076>; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:07:15 -0500 Received: from [192.0.2.1] (netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) with SMTP id VAA28527 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:07:03 -0800 (PST) Date:Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:07:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199803220507.VAA28527@netcom19.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup From: interval@netcom.com (Scott Morgan) Subject: Re: sgroup S760 .wav/.aiff Mac->S760 xfers; Also: S760 pre-emphasis Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >1. Does the S/PDIF inputs on the S760 apply the 'famous' > S760 pre-emphasis EQ to the incoming digital signal? Yes. >2. If so - is it the same curve that is applied to the analog inputs? Yes. >3. What Shareware or Cost-ware exists for the Mac that will > add the *same* S760 pre-emphasis curve to a sample on the > Mac - then send this sample to the S760 digital S/PDIF > input? (TransferStation?, D-SoundPro? or Bias??) Nothing that I know of that will EQ & send to S/PDIF input. >4. Basically - what I want to be able to do is: > > a. load .wav (or .aiff) format samples from my Mac to a S760, > using a digital transfer (SCSI or S/PDIF : Mac -> S760) > > b. have the resulting sample on ths S760 have the > correct pre-emphasis curve on it TransferStation does batch conversions with the pre-emphasis curve - matched to within +.86 dB of the Roland curve - and sends via the S760 scsi bus. Loops, names and original pitch are intact that way - something not possible via the S/PDIF inputs. regards, Scott Morgan --- Interval Music Systems --- http://www.imuse.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 23 04:52:28 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193726-18404>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:50:32 -0500 Received: from helium.tip.nl ([195.18.64.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-18404>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:50:22 -0500 Received: from tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with esmtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0yH3uw-001YVvC; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:53:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <35163142.ACC6154D@tip.nl> Date:Mon, 23 Mar 1998 04:54:10 -0500 From: Frans Aal Organization: Backbone Informatie Techniek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pete CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <3512DC7F.2DDF@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk This was also possible on Protracker, a 4 channel samplebased MOD editor on the Commodore Amiga. PC never was/is so flexibel as that little program. pete wrote: > John Stuart inquired: > > > My question is: is there an easy > > way (as easy as on a Roland Sampler) to generate loops in PC packages > > like Soundforge of Vienna? Is there another package I could get? > > Hur hur, I would be very surprised. The looping system in the Roland OS > is incredibly good and very quick, even on the early machines, because > the you hear the changing loop in real-time as you move it around. I've > never seen any other hardware or software that performs that particular > stunt. My mate who has an A*ai sampler couldn't believe it; he doesn't > loop things because he doesn't want to die of old age in the process. > > Still, I hope you find something... > Pete > > - - - - - - - - - - > Sign here please > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 23 14:31:07 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-18404>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:30:00 -0500 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-18404>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:29:49 -0500 Received: from bay.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@old.grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.9] (may be forged)) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id OAA29868; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by bay.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id OAA19188; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:29:36 -0500 (EST) Comments: OAA19188 on bay (hop 0), Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:29:36 -0500 (EST) Date:Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:29:36 -0500 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@bay To: Scott Morgan cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S760 .wav/.aiff Mac->S760 xfers; Also: S760 pre-emphasis In-Reply-To: <199803220507.VAA28527@netcom19.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > TransferStation does batch conversions with the pre-emphasis curve - > matched to within +.86 dB of the Roland curve - and sends via the S760 scsi > bus. Loops, names and original pitch are intact that way - something not > possible via the S/PDIF inputs. does anyone know what happens when you send a sample to a s-330 by midi with samplevision. is the pre-emphasis taken into account? ive never given it too much thought.. what about using one of the many softwares that write a sample to disk? do these have a way of avoiding the high end loss? mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 23 18:47:20 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-18403>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:42:01 -0500 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net ([198.206.134.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-18404>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:41:50 -0500 Received: from gate.net (dfbfl8-118.gate.net [199.227.99.118]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA100226; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3516F497.D5BED6A1@gate.net> Date:Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:47:38 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frans Aal , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <3512DC7F.2DDF@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> <35163142.ACC6154D@tip.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Well, the Amiga was a anomoly. Too bad its 1987 technology has not been implemented in Macs or PCs. My 8 mhz Amiga 2000 has better animation than both the Mac G3s or Pentiums. And multitasking??? Pre-emptive multitasking is old technology as well. The only computer that seems to recognize this today is the Bebox. But do they have much chance of catching on...not likely. Now I'm mad at the computer industry again...I'm going to take a cold shower! Frans Aal wrote: > This was also possible on Protracker, a 4 channel samplebased MOD editor on > the > Commodore Amiga. PC never was/is so flexibel as that little program. > > pete wrote: > > > John Stuart inquired: > > > > > My question is: is there an easy > > > way (as easy as on a Roland Sampler) to generate loops in PC packages > > > like Soundforge of Vienna? Is there another package I could get? > > > > Hur hur, I would be very surprised. The looping system in the Roland OS > > is incredibly good and very quick, even on the early machines, because > > the you hear the changing loop in real-time as you move it around. I've > > never seen any other hardware or software that performs that particular > > stunt. My mate who has an A*ai sampler couldn't believe it; he doesn't > > loop things because he doesn't want to die of old age in the process. > > > > Still, I hope you find something... > > Pete > > > > - - - - - - - - - - > > Sign here please > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 24 09:38:58 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-4426>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:36:28 -0500 Received: from mail1.uct.ac.za ([137.158.128.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-4427>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:36:15 -0500 Received: from mort by mail1.uct.ac.za with local (Exim 1.70 #2) id 0yHUnH-00037e-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:35:11 +0200 Received: by mail1.uct.ac.za (Mort 2.22) id 565 from STUART@SOCSCI; Tue Mar 24 16:35:11 1998 From: "John Stuart" To: sgroup Date:Tue, 24 Mar 1998 04:04:44 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Pete wrote: >> My question is: is there an easy >> way (as easy as on a Roland Sampler) to generate loops in PC packages >> like Soundforge of Vienna? Is there another package I could get? > >Hur hur, I would be very surprised. The looping system in the Roland OS >is incredibly good and very quick, even on the early machines, because >you hear the changing loop in real-time as you move it around. I've >never seen any other hardware or software that performs that particular >stunt. My mate who has an A*ai sampler couldn't believe it; he doesn't >loop things because he doesn't want to die of old age in the process. Interesting, it only reinforces my resolve to upgrade to another Roland sampler when the time and the money is right. As for looping in packages like Soundforge - with the wave data cut 'n paste functions you can still get something done. For example, to do a `reverse' loop as I previously decribed, copy the loop segment to a new file, reverse it and paste in on the end of the original sample. Now you have to find the start point for the loop, and if your accuracy is not 100% you could still get the dreaded blips and scratches. Plus the sample is now nearly twice as long as it should be if you were able to set the loop in the tone parameters, rather than in the wave. Moral: long live S samplers! (and W30: live long & prosper). john cape town sa - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 24 14:21:41 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-4427>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:18:37 -0500 Received: from ns2.eds.com ([199.228.142.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-4427>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:18:33 -0500 Received: from nnsp.eds.com (nnsp2.eds.com [199.228.143.130]) by ns2.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01000 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsp.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA06982 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA37392; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:20:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9803241920.AA37392@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:11:20 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:11:06 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:10:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Well, I will continue to look for a looping tool for the PC. My S-50 does a good job at helping create loop points. However: * the S-50 samples are 12-bit, not 16-bit * the S-50 only has 512K of memory for samples * its very awkward (as we all know) to get PC .wav files to and back from the S-50 just to loop samples and quality would be lost in the process. IMHO: in today's world, the PC is a much better choice for sample creation and playback. I just purchased and installed my second PC soundcard - Turtle Beach Daytona ($80 US) that plays DLS (downloadable) sample files. This soundcard, together with the registered version of Awave ($52 US) will do much more and much better than the S-50 can. I will probably even convert my S-50 sound disks to DLS format and play them back through the Daytona using the S-50 solely as a MIDI controller. The S-50 was a good machine and still is but in today's world, there are many more options. brian > Pete wrote: > > >> My question is: is there an easy > >> way (as easy as on a Roland Sampler) to generate loops in PC packages > >> like Soundforge of Vienna? Is there another package I could get? > > > >Hur hur, I would be very surprised. The looping system in the Roland OS > >is incredibly good and very quick, even on the early machines, because > >you hear the changing loop in real-time as you move it around. I've > >never seen any other hardware or software that performs that particular > >stunt. My mate who has an A*ai sampler couldn't believe it; he doesn't > >loop things because he doesn't want to die of old age in the process. > > Interesting, it only reinforces my resolve to upgrade to another > Roland sampler when the time and the money is right. As for looping > in packages like Soundforge - with the wave data cut 'n paste > functions you can still get something done. For example, to do a > `reverse' loop as I previously decribed, copy the loop segment to a > new file, reverse it and paste in on the end of the original sample. > Now you have to find the start point for the loop, and if your accuracy > is not 100% you could still get the dreaded blips and scratches. Plus > the sample is now nearly twice as long as it should be if you were able to set > the loop in the tone parameters, rather than in the wave. > > Moral: long live S samplers! (and W30: live long & prosper). > > john > cape town > sa ************* Brian Layzell ************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 24 21:32:45 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-4426>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:31:28 -0500 Received: from inx.inx.net ([198.70.60.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-4426>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:31:22 -0500 Received: from 206.231.6.129 (modem88.nyc.inx.net [206.231.6.129]) by inx.inx.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16824 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:21:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35182443.2FA1@inx.net> Date:Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:23:16 -0500 From: Morous Reply-To: goblin@inx.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup S-770 Midi Dump Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, I just got a used S-770 sampler and any sample sent from Alchemy(Mac) via SDS contains random cracking noise. It always appears in different spots. I'm using the same setup with S-550 and DJ-70 without any problems. I tried to change cables, open-closed loops, but no luck. On the other hand, samples received by Alchemy from S-770 are O.K. Manual didn't help me. Also, how can I put S-770 in the "Hacker Mode"? Thanks for any information! Cenek Brozovsky goblin production - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 25 05:55:39 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-19499>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:52:04 -0500 Received: from hil-img-10.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.140]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19499>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:51:54 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id FAA05695; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:51:13 -0500 (EST) Date:Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:49:55 -0500 From: Stefano Daino Subject: sgroup S-770 Midi Dump Problem To: Roland User List Cc: "INTERNET:goblin@inx.net" Message-ID: <199803250551_MC2-37DE-63C7@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi Cenek, >>> I just got a used S-770 sampler and any sample sent from Alchemy(Mac) via SDS contains random cracking noise. It always appears in different spots. I'm using the same setup with S-550 and DJ-70 without any problems. <<< Check if the Virtual Memory is on, it should be turned off. You could try also to use D-SoundPRO, you find it at: http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac It supports the DJ70 also by SCSI. Ciao Stefano Daino the author of D-SoundPRO sdaino@compuserve.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 25 09:20:06 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-19498>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:19:25 -0500 Received: from wall.cpr.fr ([193.57.80.130]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-19498>; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:19:14 -0500 Received: by wall.cpr.fr; id PAA01247; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:19:03 +0100 Received: from ccmail.cpr.fr(193.57.80.66) by wall.cpr.fr via smap (3.2) id xma001225; Wed, 25 Mar 98 15:18:49 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccmail.cpr.fr (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00045367; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:24:28 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date:Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:14:41 -0500 Message-ID: <00045367.3045@cpr.fr> From: apapadacci@cpr.fr (Alexandre PAPADACCI) Subject: sgroup compatibility of S750 and Fujitsu Magneto Optical 640 MB ? To: sgroup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi! Does anyone know if the S750 is compatible with the Fujitsu Magneto Optical 640 MB drive ? I currently use OS 2.24 . Thanks in advance. Alexandre - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 26 08:42:22 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-8874>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:40:05 -0500 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8874>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:40:02 -0500 Received: from 195.71.96.251 (dtmd-m96-251.pool.cww.de [195.71.96.251]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id OAA14352 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:39:56 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3518BF45.58B7@cww.de> Date:Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:24:38 -0500 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <9803241920.AA37392@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Brian Layzell wrote: > * its very awkward (as we all know) to get PC .wav files to and back > from the S-50 just to loop samples and quality would be lost in the > process. Can't you just transfer the sample to the S-50, find out a good loop there, read the loop/end point from the S-50's display and use those points for the WAV file? You wouldn't have any loss due to 12 bits resolution and you wouldn't have to transfer the sample back to the PC. > IMHO: in today's world, the PC is a much better choice for sample > creation and playback. I just purchased and installed my second PC > soundcard - Turtle Beach Daytona ($80 US) that plays DLS > (downloadable) sample files. This soundcard, together with the > registered version of Awave ($52 US) will do much more and much better > than the S-50 can. I don't know much about soundcards. What about polyphony and multitimbrality? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 26 09:06:48 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-8875>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:06:28 -0500 Received: from ns2.eds.com ([199.228.142.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8875>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:06:18 -0500 Received: from nnsp.eds.com (nnsp2.eds.com [199.228.143.130]) by ns2.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00136 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsp.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA12464 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA36912; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:08:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9803261408.AA36912@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 26 Mar 98 8:59:09 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 26 Mar 98 8:58:44 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:58:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com In-Reply-To: <3518BF45.58B7@cww.de> Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Ingo, That is worth a try - if the sample is too hard to loop with AWave. Actually, since my original message, I have looped successfully with AWave without much trouble. It auditions in real-time and the waveform display makes it fairly easy to see what is going on. I'm not sure if the loop start/end data points translate exactly but I suspect they should. Additionally, it's still awkward to get the WAV file from the PC to the S-50 in the first place. It involves 2 indirect conversions on the PC (W-30 format to S-550) then a conversion on the S-50 sampler (S-550 to S-50) using Roland's conversion utility. Once this takes place the S-50 sample has to be saved to disk and the S-50 O/S reloaded. The easy part is getting the S-50 samples to the PC in WAV format. Awave does this directly. One test that could take place is to check the loop start/end data points with an existing S-50 sound disk sample, load the disk to the PC using the SDISK utility and then open the PC image with Awave. However, I'm not sure (sitting away from my home PC) if Awave recognizes Roland SDK format loop points. I will check this out also. RE: polyphony and multitimbrality - each sound card varies greatly. Some support 32 voices, some 64. If you're ambitious, you can install 2 sound cards and get double your pleasure. Most that I have seen support at least 16 MIDI channels (simultaneous playback) - some more. If not, an additional MIDI interface can be added (32, 64, 128 MIDI channels). Sound quality depends on the card - there are cards for $20 US that are good enough for games and there are cards for > $500 US that are studio quality. Brian > Brian originally Layzell wrote: > > * its very awkward (as we all know) to get PC .wav files to and back > > from the S-50 just to loop samples and quality would be lost in the > > process. > > Can't you just transfer the sample to the S-50, find out a good loop > there, read the loop/end point from the S-50's display and use those > points for the WAV file? You wouldn't have any loss due to 12 bits > resolution and you wouldn't have to transfer the sample back to the PC. > > > IMHO: in today's world, the PC is a much better choice for sample > > creation and playback. I just purchased and installed my second PC > > soundcard - Turtle Beach Daytona ($80 US) that plays DLS > > (downloadable) sample files. This soundcard, together with the > > registered version of Awave ($52 US) will do much more and much better > > than the S-50 can. > > I don't know much about soundcards. What about polyphony and > multitimbrality? > > Ingo ************* Brian Layzell ************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 26 09:31:41 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-8875>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:31:07 -0500 Received: from nyntq1.tink.com ([165.254.101.54]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8875>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:30:57 -0500 Received: from forward-daemon by mail2.new-york.net (PMDF V5.1-10 #22883) id <01IV48KMWZGW8WWOQI@mail2.new-york.net> for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:30:49 EDT Date:Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:30:10 -0500 From: Jeremy Roberts Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes To: sgroup Message-id: <01IV48KMYBOY8WWOQI@mail2.new-york.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk >> IMHO: in today's world, the PC is a much better choice for sample >> creation and playback. I just purchased and installed my second PC >> soundcard - Turtle Beach Daytona ($80 US) that plays DLS >> (downloadable) sample files. This soundcard, together with the >> registered version of Awave ($52 US) will do much more and much better >> than the S-50 can. >What about polyphony and >multitimbrality? What about sound quality? What about outputs? What about latency? What about ?????? :-) Sometimes, you get what you pay for. There is a reason the new batch of Emu/Roland/Akai/Kurzweil samplers are in the $3000+ range. jr - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 26 10:55:56 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-8874>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:55:17 -0500 Received: from ns2.eds.com ([199.228.142.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8874>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:55:11 -0500 Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa2.eds.com [192.85.154.30]) by ns2.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29282 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20454 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:54:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14318; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:57:49 -0500 Message-Id: <9803261557.AA14318@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 26 Mar 98 10:48:07 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 26 Mar 98 10:47:41 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:47:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com In-Reply-To: <01IV48KMYBOY8WWOQI@mail2.new-york.net> Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > >> IMHO: in today's world, the PC is a much better choice for sample > >> creation and playback. I just purchased and installed my second PC > >> soundcard - Turtle Beach Daytona ($80 US) that plays DLS > >> (downloadable) sample files. This soundcard, together with the > >> registered version of Awave ($52 US) will do much more and much better > >> than the S-50 can. > > >What about polyphony and > >multitimbrality? > I'm not an expert by any means. I have a very meager, low cost, home studio. Best bang for the buck is my primary criteria in selecting hardware/software. I know about my soundcards (TB Daytona and Ensoniq Soundscape Elite) and the S-50. I'm happy with all of them for what I do. Maybe someone else has some additional opinions to offer in general about soundcards versus dedicated samplers. > What about sound quality? Not much to compare to - I'm satisfied. > What about outputs? No digital outputs, just stereo audio. Higher-end cards have more features and outputs. > What about latency? No noticeable lags for small amounts of MIDI and audio tracks using Cakewalk Pro Audio. > What about ?????? > > :-) > > Sometimes, you get what you pay for. There is a reason the new batch of > Emu/Roland/Akai/Kurzweil samplers are in the $3000+ range. > > jr > Brian ************* Brian Layzell ************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 26 11:26:01 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-8875>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:23:51 -0500 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8874>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:23:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06002 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:22:45 -0500 (EST) Date:Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:22:44 -0500 From: Steve Harvey To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes In-Reply-To: <3518BF45.58B7@cww.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Ingo Debus wrote: > > IMHO: in today's world, the PC is a much better choice for sample > > creation and playback. I just purchased and installed my second PC > > soundcard - Turtle Beach Daytona ($80 US) that plays DLS > > (downloadable) sample files. This soundcard, together with the > > registered version of Awave ($52 US) will do much more and much better > > than the S-50 can. > > I don't know much about soundcards. What about polyphony and > multitimbrality? > > Ingo I think both still have their place; PC soundcards are getting better and better in terms of sound quality, but samplers still offer many intrinsic advantages of their own. I've had a Turtle Beach Pinnacle for several months now, which I use mostly for digital recording + some audio (loops, soundbites), but I still rely on my S760 for pitched instruments and soforth. The card is very convenient in that it shares my PC's disk space, I don't have to upload sounds via SDS, and there are lots of very nice editing facilities on the PC. The sampler, on the other hand, has only crashed once in the ~4 years I've used it. I reboot my PC a lot between Windoze and Linux, and it's nice not having to re-load patches every time I start up the PC (I mostly leave the sampler on all the time). The sampler has more outputs and greater polyphony than most PC sound cards (though this is starting to change with cards like the Event Darla/Gina). The sampler's EQ/filters are still light years ahead of anything I've heard on a sound card, espescially since they are easily usable in realtime. I can take my sampler on the road quite easily, and plug it into a MIDI-able Mac/SGI/standalone sequencer and still have all my sounds in a predictable format. In short, the latest generation of soundcards are great - they've made digital recording a reality for me, and offer all kinds of flexability in production. But the 760 is still indispensible to me, and I don't see that changing any time over the next few years at least. -Steve -- http://www.thoughtshop.com/egodeath/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 26 14:36:41 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-8874>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:50 -0500 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8874>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:40 -0500 Received: from dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.12]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id OAA10794; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by dogwood.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id OAA29057; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:33 -0500 (EST) Comments: OAA29057 on dogwood (hop 0), Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:33 -0500 (EST) Date:Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:32 -0500 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@dogwood To: Jeremy Roberts cc: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes In-Reply-To: <01IV48KMYBOY8WWOQI@mail2.new-york.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > >What about polyphony and > >multitimbrality? > > What about sound quality? > What about outputs? > What about latency? > What about ?????? hmm. well, i have a turtle beach tropez plus w/ 12 megs on ot, and altho it sounds good.. whenever i try editing more than a few things it frezzes up my computer.. so i never use the "sample store" except for sampling very long phrases. i think it boils down to this addage: if it's hardware based it's expected to work, if its software based it expected not to work. unless you spend 1000 hourd hacking it into submission. and it has NO FILTERS. reverb and other effects yes, but no filters i like my s-330 way more mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 26 14:58:44 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-8874>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:58:13 -0500 Received: from ns1.eds.com ([192.85.154.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8874>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:58:07 -0500 Received: from nnsa.eds.com (nnsa2.eds.com [192.85.154.30]) by ns1.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06869 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsa.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28947 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41160; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:00:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9803262000.AA41160@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 26 Mar 98 14:51:04 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 26 Mar 98 14:50:58 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:50:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com References: <01IV48KMYBOY8WWOQI@mail2.new-york.net> In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk > > > >What about polyphony and > > >multitimbrality? > > > > What about sound quality? > > What about outputs? > > What about latency? > > What about ?????? > > hmm. well, i have a turtle beach tropez plus w/ 12 megs on ot, and altho > it sounds good.. whenever i try editing more than a few things it frezzes > up my computer.. so i never use the "sample store" except for sampling > very long phrases. i think it boils down to this addage: > > if it's hardware based it's expected to work, if its software based it > expected not to work. unless you spend 1000 hourd hacking it into > submission. > > and it has NO FILTERS. reverb and other effects yes, but no filters > i like my s-330 way more > > mike One additional note: The Ensoniq Soundscape Elite soundcard has a very good effects chip. It includes about 14 algorithms with 1 to 3 effects in each. Effects include reverbs, chorusing, flanging, delay, wah-wah, distortion, filtering, sample and hold, parametric eq. and pitch shift. This is the primary reason why I purchased this soundcard. These effects can be applied to WAV files (including recorded audio) and the Soundscape's GM wavetable patches by MIDI channel. The effects are clean and there's lots of parameters to play with. Effect parameter settings can be saved to SYX files and loaded into a sequencer for playback transmission to the effect chip. Brian ************* Brian Layzell ************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 26 18:30:37 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-8875>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:27:07 -0500 Received: from onondaga.gate.net ([198.206.134.31]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-8875>; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:26:57 -0500 Received: from gate.net (miafl3-42.gate.net [199.227.35.169]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA17972; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:25:23 -0500 Message-ID: <351AE5AD.9E7D992B@gate.net> Date:Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:33:02 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike p , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk All of these messages make it clear why Macs exist! :) mike p wrote: > > >What about polyphony and > > >multitimbrality? > > > > What about sound quality? > > What about outputs? > > What about latency? > > What about ?????? > > hmm. well, i have a turtle beach tropez plus w/ 12 megs on ot, and altho > it sounds good.. whenever i try editing more than a few things it frezzes > up my computer.. so i never use the "sample store" except for sampling > very long phrases. i think it boils down to this addage: > > if it's hardware based it's expected to work, if its software based it > expected not to work. unless you spend 1000 hourd hacking it into > submission. > > and it has NO FILTERS. reverb and other effects yes, but no filters > i like my s-330 way more > > mike > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 27 07:50:09 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-1874>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:48:41 -0500 Received: from helium.tip.nl ([195.18.64.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-1874>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:48:35 -0500 Received: from tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with esmtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0yIYaW-001ZZgC; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:50:24 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <351BA010.6FA346A7@tip.nl> Date:Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:48:16 -0500 From: Frans Aal Organization: Backbone Informatie Techniek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: statik@gate.net CC: mike p , "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <351AE5AD.9E7D992B@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Not really. Actually makes it UNclear why macintrashes STILL exist Adam wrote: > All of these messages make it clear why Macs exist! :) > > mike p wrote: > > > > >What about polyphony and > > > >multitimbrality? > > > > > > What about sound quality? > > > What about outputs? > > > What about latency? > > > What about ?????? > > > > hmm. well, i have a turtle beach tropez plus w/ 12 megs on ot, and altho > > it sounds good.. whenever i try editing more than a few things it frezzes > > up my computer.. so i never use the "sample store" except for sampling > > very long phrases. i think it boils down to this addage: > > > > if it's hardware based it's expected to work, if its software based it > > expected not to work. unless you spend 1000 hourd hacking it into > > submission. > > > > and it has NO FILTERS. reverb and other effects yes, but no filters > > i like my s-330 way more > > > > mike > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 27 07:50:10 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-1875>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:48:12 -0500 Received: from helium.tip.nl ([195.18.64.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-1874>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:47:58 -0500 Received: from tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with esmtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0yIYaU-001ZZfC; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:50:22 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <351B9FD9.AA61485E@tip.nl> Date:Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:47:22 -0500 From: Frans Aal Organization: Backbone Informatie Techniek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <9803261557.AA14318@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I think the main drawback on all pc-based samplers is that you have to be half a computer tech to operate one of those programs, or even worse, fine tune your software to work good with your hardware. Nowadays software gets better and better, and i wont even CONSIDER buying a harddiskrecorder anymore now i've seen Cubase VST at work. Same goes for samplers, give wavelab a try and you're lost. As for good soundcards, I got a Terratec EWS64XL in my PC right now, which can hold about as much as the EMU E4 (you know, the big one) in sample time (64Mb), and play 64 tracks as clear as crystal. 18 bit, digital i/o (twice!), and 2 independant midi interfaces gets you a studio inside your PC. But only if you got the skill and knowledge to maintain it (and your internet connection ofcourse, cos you got about 2 updates every month to get the bugs out :) Brian Layzell wrote: > > >> IMHO: in today's world, the PC is a much better choice for sample > > >> creation and playback. I just purchased and installed my second PC > > >> soundcard - Turtle Beach Daytona ($80 US) that plays DLS > > >> (downloadable) sample files. This soundcard, together with the > > >> registered version of Awave ($52 US) will do much more and much better > > >> than the S-50 can. > > > > >What about polyphony and > > >multitimbrality? > > > > I'm not an expert by any means. I have a very meager, low cost, home > studio. Best bang for the buck is my primary criteria in selecting > hardware/software. I know about my soundcards (TB Daytona and Ensoniq > Soundscape Elite) and the S-50. I'm happy with all of them for what I > do. Maybe someone else has some additional opinions to offer in > general about soundcards versus dedicated samplers. > > > What about sound quality? > Not much to compare to - I'm satisfied. > > > What about outputs? > No digital outputs, just stereo audio. Higher-end cards have more > features and outputs. > > > What about latency? > No noticeable lags for small amounts of MIDI and audio tracks using > Cakewalk Pro Audio. > > > What about ?????? > > > > :-) > > > > Sometimes, you get what you pay for. There is a reason the new batch of > > Emu/Roland/Akai/Kurzweil samplers are in the $3000+ range. > > > > jr > > > > Brian > ************* > Brian Layzell > ************* > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 27 16:05:48 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-1875>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:04:57 -0500 Received: from post.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-1875>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:04:50 -0500 Received: from grifgraf.demon.co.uk ([194.222.88.198]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2010272; 27 Mar 98 21:00 GMT Message-ID: <351BF6CF.2FC5@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> Date:Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:58:22 -0500 From: pete X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <351AE5AD.9E7D992B@gate.net> <351BA010.6FA346A7@tip.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Jeremy Roberts, apropos of Soundcards, inquired: > What about sound quality? > What about outputs? > What about latency? > What about ?????? and Adam smirked: > > All of these messages make it clear why Macs exist! :) It's not a level playing field, I know, but I sold my S330 to buy the SampleCell card for the Mac, which should have had sound quality, outputs, latency AND ??????. And I HATED it! You have to transfer sounds back and forth from the card's memory into Sound Designer in the computer's RAM to do any "editing" - buuurppp! Sound Designer I thought was an ugly and basic piece of software - buuurppp. Only two outputs per patch - buuuurrrpp. And sounds would _often_ get badly mangled and glitched in SampleCell - ultrabuuuurrppp! Plus on startup I always got the most ginormous THUNK through the outputs - watch those woofers dance, kids! I couldn't sell it fast enough. Then I bought an S750 which has been a paragon of good behaviour. So, absolutely no contest there. One of the things I like is the fact that it's got a Midi monitor LED, so YOU CAN SEE AT A GLANCE IF IT'S RECEIVING MIDI INPUT. And it's got ACCURATE INPUT MONITORS and CLIPPING LEDS so you can SET YOUR LEVELS EASILY. And KNOBS, to help you do it, which I don't think you'll find on ANY soundcard. Sorry, getting a bit heated here... Mind you, the SampleCell control panel software looks very cool, it's just like a mixing desk. In fact, that must be why I bought it. Cuhhh, one born every minute. Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 28 04:36:47 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-19218>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:27:32 -0500 Received: from onondaga.gate.net ([198.206.134.31]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19218>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:27:17 -0500 Received: from gate.net (miafl3-58.gate.net [199.227.35.185]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA55742 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: <351CC3E8.93733A4C@gate.net> Date:Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:33:29 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <351AE5AD.9E7D992B@gate.net> <351BA010.6FA346A7@tip.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Gee, I never had these problems w/my "Macintrash" (as you put it). Maybe its that archaic Intel processor that's driving your frustration. Ya know, come to think of it, I never had these problems w/my 8 mhz Amiga 2000 either. Oh, that's right...it was driven by a Motorola 68000. It must be trashy too then. The new BeBox's. Oh, trashy as well, despite its much advanced Amiga-integrated technological foundation...their machines use Motorola processors too. Yeah, I suppose PC's are just the cream of the crop! Frans Aal wrote: > Not really. Actually makes it UNclear why macintrashes STILL exist > > Adam wrote: > > > All of these messages make it clear why Macs exist! :) > > > > mike p wrote: > > > > > > >What about polyphony and > > > > >multitimbrality? > > > > > > > > What about sound quality? > > > > What about outputs? > > > > What about latency? > > > > What about ?????? > > > > > > hmm. well, i have a turtle beach tropez plus w/ 12 megs on ot, and altho > > > it sounds good.. whenever i try editing more than a few things it frezzes > > > up my computer.. so i never use the "sample store" except for sampling > > > very long phrases. i think it boils down to this addage: > > > > > > if it's hardware based it's expected to work, if its software based it > > > expected not to work. unless you spend 1000 hourd hacking it into > > > submission. > > > > > > and it has NO FILTERS. reverb and other effects yes, but no filters > > > i like my s-330 way more > > > > > > mike > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 28 04:48:58 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-19217>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:40:29 -0500 Received: from helium.tip.nl ([195.18.64.71]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19217>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:40:22 -0500 Received: from tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with esmtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0yIs8H-001cS3C; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:42:33 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <351CC63A.B4030826@tip.nl> Date:Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:43:22 -0500 From: Frans Aal Organization: Backbone Informatie Techniek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: statik@gate.net CC: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <351AE5AD.9E7D992B@gate.net> <351BA010.6FA346A7@tip.nl> <351CC3E8.93733A4C@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Oh well.... I guess Im only dreaming when i got VST running with 24 audio tracks, with lots of choice in hardware and software... lost more than available on apple anyway. but hey, some people like museums, and some like apple computers Adam wrote: > Gee, I never had these problems w/my "Macintrash" (as you put it). Maybe its > that archaic Intel processor that's driving your frustration. Ya know, come to > think of it, I never had these problems w/my 8 mhz Amiga 2000 either. Oh, > that's right...it was driven by a Motorola 68000. It must be trashy too then. > The new BeBox's. Oh, trashy as well, despite its much advanced Amiga-integrated > technological foundation...their machines use Motorola processors too. Yeah, I > suppose PC's are just the cream of the crop! > > Frans Aal wrote: > > > Not really. Actually makes it UNclear why macintrashes STILL exist > > > > Adam wrote: > > > > > All of these messages make it clear why Macs exist! :) > > > > > > mike p wrote: > > > > > > > > >What about polyphony and > > > > > >multitimbrality? > > > > > > > > > > What about sound quality? > > > > > What about outputs? > > > > > What about latency? > > > > > What about ?????? > > > > > > > > hmm. well, i have a turtle beach tropez plus w/ 12 megs on ot, and altho > > > > it sounds good.. whenever i try editing more than a few things it frezzes > > > > up my computer.. so i never use the "sample store" except for sampling > > > > very long phrases. i think it boils down to this addage: > > > > > > > > if it's hardware based it's expected to work, if its software based it > > > > expected not to work. unless you spend 1000 hourd hacking it into > > > > submission. > > > > > > > > and it has NO FILTERS. reverb and other effects yes, but no filters > > > > i like my s-330 way more > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > - > > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > > > > - > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 28 04:54:13 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-19218>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:45:53 -0500 Received: from mail.vmicro.com ([208.153.234.10]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193671-19218>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:45:43 -0500 Received: from [209.144.106.87] by mail.vmicro.com (NTMail 3.03.0013/7.aa2r) with ESMTP id ia157542 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:45:20 -0800 From: "James W. Thomas" To: sgroup Date:Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:45:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes In-reply-to: <351CC3E8.93733A4C@gate.net> X-Info: VM Online Message-Id: <09452069117656@vmicro.com> Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk On 28 Mar 98 at 4:33, Adam wrote: > Gee, I never had these problems w/my "Macintrash" (as you put it). > Maybe its that archaic Intel processor that's driving your > frustration. Ya know, come to think of it, I never had these > problems w/my 8 mhz Amiga 2000 either. Oh, that's right...it was > driven by a Motorola 68000. It must be trashy too then. The new > BeBox's. Oh, trashy as well, despite its much advanced > Amiga-integrated technological foundation...their machines use > Motorola processors too. Yeah, I suppose PC's are just the cream of > the crop! > $10 to the person that comes up with a new insult in the PC-Mac war!!!! Just kidding. Maybe we could talk about Roland samplers instead? _______________________________________________ _|ames \/\/. Thomas >; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:26:57 -0500 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net ([198.206.134.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19217>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:26:53 -0500 Received: from gate.net (miafl3-52.gate.net [199.227.35.179]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA63612 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:26:12 -0500 Message-ID: <351D7A97.2E2B2BB2@gate.net> Date:Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:32:57 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <351AE5AD.9E7D992B@gate.net> <351BA010.6FA346A7@tip.nl> <351CC3E8.93733A4C@gate.net> <351CC63A.B4030826@tip.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Very impressive. I didn't know that the PC version could successfully do this. I'm not sure how this discounts the Macs capabilities...well, maybe this means that the PC actually exceeded its expectations, but that same PC only met a Mac's expectations I wonder why the large music chains, such as Mars and Sam Ash, seem to have so many Macs & so little PCs set up. Your PC must be pretty fast to do these 24 tracks, huh? My friend's 75 mhz, 32 meg PowerPC Mac ran 15 tracks w/plenty of processing power to spare...come to think of it...NO NEED FOR HARDWARE (yeah, that means NO sound card). This was actually a long time ago...pre-PC Cubase VST. Maybe you can expound on why the PC version came out so long after the MAC version if PCs are so much more capable. I have no quarrel w/anyone who actually thinks that PC is a more capable machine...but when I ask why, PC owners suddenly get very defensive...go figure! BTW...in response to a request for Roland-info. I love my Roland S-760. It's an integral part of my little sound studio. With the S-760, I REALLY have no need to waste my money on a sound card. The internal 16 bit sound in my PowerComputing machine is nice & quiet. I've tried out the shareware samplers for the Mac. They're actually not bad...no way am I giving up my Roland for it...especially w/the Roland's S-760's Commodore 64 looking interface. It reminds me of the good old days when I was doing things w/the C-64 that PC users couldn't do. Frans Aal wrote: > Oh well.... I guess Im only dreaming when i got VST running with 24 audio tracks, > with lots of choice in hardware and software... lost more than available on apple > anyway. > but hey, some people like museums, and some like apple computers > > Adam wrote: > > > Gee, I never had these problems w/my "Macintrash" (as you put it). Maybe its > > that archaic Intel processor that's driving your frustration. Ya know, come to > > think of it, I never had these problems w/my 8 mhz Amiga 2000 either. Oh, > > that's right...it was driven by a Motorola 68000. It must be trashy too then. > > The new BeBox's. Oh, trashy as well, despite its much advanced Amiga-integrated > > technological foundation...their machines use Motorola processors too. Yeah, I > > suppose PC's are just the cream of the crop! > > > > Frans Aal wrote: > > > > > Not really. Actually makes it UNclear why macintrashes STILL exist > > > > > > Adam wrote: > > > > > > > All of these messages make it clear why Macs exist! :) > > > > > > > > mike p wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >What about polyphony and > > > > > > >multitimbrality? > > > > > > > > > > > > What about sound quality? > > > > > > What about outputs? > > > > > > What about latency? > > > > > > What about ?????? > > > > > > > > > > hmm. well, i have a turtle beach tropez plus w/ 12 megs on ot, and altho > > > > > it sounds good.. whenever i try editing more than a few things it frezzes > > > > > up my computer.. so i never use the "sample store" except for sampling > > > > > very long phrases. i think it boils down to this addage: > > > > > > > > > > if it's hardware based it's expected to work, if its software based it > > > > > expected not to work. unless you spend 1000 hourd hacking it into > > > > > submission. > > > > > > > > > > and it has NO FILTERS. reverb and other effects yes, but no filters > > > > > i like my s-330 way more > > > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > > > > > > - > > > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 28 17:30:57 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-19218>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:30:47 -0500 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net ([198.206.134.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19218>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:30:37 -0500 Received: from gate.net (miafl3-52.gate.net [199.227.35.179]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA63686 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <351D7B80.380E1A10@gate.net> Date:Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:36:50 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <09452069117656@vmicro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk James W. Thomas wrote: > $10 to the person that comes up with a new insult in the PC-Mac > war!!!! > > Just kidding. > > Maybe we could talk about Roland samplers instead? I forfeit! Let Frans Aal have it for his next sound card :)It would be boring if everyone liked the same machine...and even worse of an antitrust problem! > > > _______________________________________________ > _|ames \/\/. Thomas > xevious@audiophile.com xevious@vmicro.com > http://www.audiophile.com/xevious > Nation of Lies - Now on VoxPop Records > http://www.audiophile.com/nol > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 30 14:14:14 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-14352>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:08:48 -0500 Received: from CARBON ([165.21.74.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14352>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:08:42 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by singnet.com.sg with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 03:09:06 +0800 Received: from xenon.singnet.com.sg - 165.21.74.26 by singnet.com.sg with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:34:36 +0800 Received: from hugin.uunet.ca (root@hugin.uunet.ca [142.77.1.49]) by xenon.singnet.com.sg (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18151 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:31:10 +0800 (SST) Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193676-19218>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:30:47 -0500 Received: from chickasaw.gate.net ([198.206.134.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-19218>; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:30:37 -0500 Received: from gate.net (miafl3-52.gate.net [199.227.35.179]) by chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA63686 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <351D7B80.380E1A10@gate.net> Date:Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:36:50 -0500 From: Adam Reply-To: statik@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes References: <09452069117656@vmicro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk James W. Thomas wrote: > $10 to the person that comes up with a new insult in the PC-Mac > war!!!! > > Just kidding. > > Maybe we could talk about Roland samplers instead? I forfeit! Let Frans Aal have it for his next sound card :)It would be boring if everyone liked the same machine...and even worse of an antitrust problem! > > > _______________________________________________ > _|ames \/\/. Thomas > xevious@audiophile.com xevious@vmicro.com > http://www.audiophile.com/xevious > Nation of Lies - Now on VoxPop Records > http://www.audiophile.com/nol > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 30 14:47:45 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-14352>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:43:05 -0500 Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com ([169.207.16.5]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14352>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:43:02 -0500 Received: from execpc.com (machiavelli.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.73.108]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.8.8) id NAA01529 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:42:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <351FF6CA.E981BB8C@execpc.com> Date:Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:47:22 -0500 From: Tim Curtis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sgroup Subject: sgroup SDS from PC? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Forgive me for what has undoubtedly been answered several times before: My modem is attached to my PC, and I've typically been using my Mac for sample editing for my S770 using Alchemy. I just purchased a larger hard drive for the S770, so now I have no excuse for not downloading samples from the net to try in my sampler. However, I'd REALLY like to avoid having to transfer everything into my Mac just to send it to the sampler - some samples are just too large to do that with anyway. Can anyone suggest a decent SDS utility for the PC that will also convert .wav files? I'd like to have SoundForge, but I'm not up to spending that cash right now on something that's redundant to what I have on my Mac. Are there any Freeware/Shareware utilities available? Or less expensive commercial packages? Thanks, Tim - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 30 14:59:46 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193679-14352>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:50:08 -0500 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14352>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:49:52 -0500 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.14]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with ESMTP id OAA12355; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6/1) with SMTP id OAA29594; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:49:29 -0500 (EST) Comments: OAA29594 on cypress (hop 0), Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:49:29 -0500 (EST) Date:Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:49:29 -0500 From: mike p X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: Adam cc: "sgroup@lists.uunet.ca" Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes In-Reply-To: <351D7A97.2E2B2BB2@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk hi why the mac/ibm arguements?!? everyone knows macs are better for music.. im in a bind tho, as i MUST use PCs. being in the mechanical engineering field there is no sence in me having a mac. all the computer aided design and simulation programs run on PC only, and technically music is not my primary use for the computer. im am however about to buy a new computer. i would LOVE to do hardisk recording (probably w/ VST). any suggestions on a system? im thinking about a 200 or 233 MHz pentium system with about 100MB ram. is a SCSI harddrive necesary for HD recording? how many tracks can you get going with just a top of the line EIDE? any comments or help is appreciated. 1 more think, nobody ever had any comments on my last question it was: does any of the softwares that midi sample dumps to the s-330 compensate for the pre-emphasis? specifically does samplevision 2.0 ? i have a feeling that it might not be. this would be ok if you transfer from sampler to computer, edit, then back to sampler, but if you .wav file to samplevision to sampler... i think im loosing hi end ?!? anyone? what about "sampled" or Dsound (i know, its mac only) mike .::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 30 16:48:46 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-14352>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:46:35 -0500 Received: from netgate.co.nz ([202.37.78.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14352>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:46:24 -0500 Received: from [202.50.164.131] (131.magic.gen.nz [202.50.164.131]) by netgate.co.nz (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA17931 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:46:05 +1200 X-Sender: craigus@mail.netgate.co.nz Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date:Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:38:20 -0500 To: sgroup From: Craig Harris Subject: sgroup Hammond Samples Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any funky hammond samples with good leslie speaker action?? Thanks heaps! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Harris | craigus@netgate.co.nz or visit my web site RAMM Consultant | http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/9297 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Motto: ** Mercy is free. Sin has a cost. Shop smart! ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 30 16:52:33 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-14353>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:52:10 -0500 Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com ([169.207.16.10]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14353>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:52:00 -0500 Received: from execpc.com (aargau-110.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.85.238]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.8.8) id PAA29150; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:51:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <352014FE.FE97E89C@execpc.com> Date:Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:56:14 -0500 From: Tim Curtis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Harris CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Hammond Samples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Craig Harris wrote: > Does anyone have any funky hammond samples with good leslie speaker action?? > Hell - for that matter any REALLY good ones that can be played through a Leslie? Obviously sampes with a Leslie in them will be pretty useless. Thanks, Tim - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 30 16:59:52 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-14352>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:59:36 -0500 Received: from ns2.eds.com ([199.228.142.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14353>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:59:22 -0500 Received: from nnsp.eds.com (nnsp2.eds.com [199.228.143.130]) by ns2.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19982 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com [130.175.156.10]) by nnsp.eds.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10014 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA35332; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:01:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9803302201.AA35332@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 30 Mar 98 16:52:09 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 30 Mar 98 16:52:03 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup Date:Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:52:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup Hammond Samples Reply-To: blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk I found a gritty hammond sample at: http://us.creativeinspire.com/community/music/goodies2.html It's a free sample of EMU SoundFont. It can be converted of course. It's #13 in the list on that page. I don't know if it has goodleslie speaker action but it sure sounds like the tubes are overdriven. Brian > Does anyone have any funky hammond samples with good leslie speaker action?? > > Thanks heaps! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Craig Harris | craigus@netgate.co.nz or visit my web site > RAMM Consultant | http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/9297 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Motto: ** Mercy is free. Sin has a cost. Shop smart! ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 30 19:18:56 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193672-14353>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:18:26 -0500 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu ([128.32.25.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-14353>; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:18:20 -0500 Received: from [136.152.26.34] (clkhomeip.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.26.34]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21649 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:18:16 -0800 (PST) Date:Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:18:16 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 3.0 for Macintosh To: sgroup From: Chris Kirkham Subject: sgroup Plextor 32X CDROM works w S760 Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi sgroupers, I just wanted to report that I bought the new 32X UltraPlex caddy CDROM drive from Plextor and it works fine with the S760 OS 2.24. Roland formatted CDRW disks also work with the 760 and this drive. Chris !*********V***********!CHRIS KIRKHAM!*********N************! Industrial hygiene & industrial/electronic/soundtrack music !*********T***********!(510)665-1986!*********X************! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 31 04:27:11 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-3022>; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:23:53 -0500 Received: from arl-img-1.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.131]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-3023>; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:23:48 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id EAA24458; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:23:12 -0500 (EST) Date:Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:22:59 -0500 From: Stefano Daino Subject: Re: sgroup Sample Editor & Looping Woes To: Roland User List Cc: mike p Message-ID: <199803310423_MC2-3874-804F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, >>> does any of the softwares that midi sample dumps to the s-330 compensate for the pre-emphasis? =2E.. = i think im loosing hi end ?!? anyone? what about "sampled" or Dsound (i know, its mac only) <<< I know that the S-330, S550, S50 do not support any pre-emphasis algorith= m, or perhaps I lost something... I know it is a feature of only the S760 models, may someone confirm this?= Stefano Daino the author of D-SoundPRO sdaino@compuserve.com = - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 31 10:31:32 1998 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193673-3022>; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:30:43 -0500 Received: from mail.cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193671-3023>; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:30:39 -0500 Received: from 195.71.97.122 (dtmd-m97-122.pool.cww.de [195.71.97.122]) by mail.cww.de (8.8.7/8.8.7/powered by Telemedia) with SMTP id RAA17556 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:30:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35210ACC.2CAE@cww.de> Date:Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:25:00 -0500 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Hammond Samples References: <9803302201.AA35332@blackhole.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup Precedence: bulk Brian Layzell wrote: > > I found a gritty hammond sample at: > http://us.creativeinspire.com/community/music/goodies2.html > > It's a free sample of EMU SoundFont. It can be converted of course. Any chance to convert it on a Mac to a more common format? SoundApp accepts the following: • SoundCap (including Huffman-compressed) and Studio Session Instruments • SoundEdit (including stereo, MACE-3 and MACE-6), • AIFF and AIFF-C (8-, 16-, 24- and 32-bit, MACE-3, MACE-6, IMA 4:1 and µ-law), • System 7 sound and 'snd ' resource (including MACE-3, MACE-6, IMA 4:1 and µ-law), • QuickTime MooV (soundtracks only, including MIDI movies), • Sun Audio .au and NeXT .snd (including µ-law, a-law, 8-, 16-, 24- and 32-bit linear, 32- and 64-bit floating point, G.721 ADPCM and G.723 ADPCM), • Windows WAVE (including GSM-, IMA- and MS ADPCM-compressed, µ-law and a-law, 8-, 16- and 32-bit linear), • MPEG audio (layers I, II and III, requires a PowerPC processor for playback), • Sound Blaster VOC, • Many varieties of MODs, ScreamTracker 3 module (S3M), Multitracker module (MTM), • MIDI (type 0, 1 and 2, including GS and XG; playback only), • Amiga IFF/8SVX (including stereo and compressed), • Sound Designer and Sound Designer II, • IRCAM (8-, 16-bit and 32-bit floating point), and • PSION sound. 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