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There were rumours on this list about some new Roland mega-sampler
to be unveiled at NAMM? Any observations from people nearby?


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 Paul Gingerich <PGingerich@Lonet.ca> wrote:

>I'd noticed the fine-tuning requirement, actually, but I'm unfamiliar with
>any other way to do it.  I've got SamDisk, but haven't really used it
>(ummm, don't know how).  Anyways, I believe it outputs entire disk files,
>which would make storage and downloading more of a problem.  (I personally
>don't really mind having to fine-tune the patches.  Let's me set the
>samples up my way.)
>
>But, if there's more to it than my uneducated assumptions here, someone
>please help me out.  I'm still new on this PC to sampler stuff.
 
I would suggest using CONVERT1.4 or AWAVE to convert s550 sounds to a
proper PC patch format like Sounfont 2. If you are not using an AWE64 
then these conversion utlilities have other patch formats to export 
to.  You really don't want to waste too much time re-engineering 
every patch manually on your PC.

later
  
 john
 cape town
 sa

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My primary concern is getting samples from the PC to the s550, but my
interest is peaked with these two new proggies I've never heard of.
Ultimately, I'd like a dedicated librarian program for my PC that's capable
of archiving, sorting, etc, and from that, writing ready-to-go,
no-fine-tuning-required s550 disks.  Wouldn't that be kewl?  So..........

How can I get CONVERT1.4 or AWAVE?  What can they do?  Do they cost anything?

tks
Paul
========================================

>I would suggest using CONVERT1.4 or AWAVE to convert s550 sounds to a
>proper PC patch format like Sounfont 2. If you are not using an AWE64 
>then these conversion utlilities have other patch formats to export 
>to.  You really don't want to waste too much time re-engineering 
>every patch manually on your PC.
>
>later
>  
> john
> cape town
> sa

>>I'd noticed the fine-tuning requirement, actually, but I'm unfamiliar with
>>any other way to do it.  I've got SamDisk, but haven't really used it
>>(ummm, don't know how).  Anyways, I believe it outputs entire disk files,
>>which would make storage and downloading more of a problem.  (I personally
>>don't really mind having to fine-tune the patches.  Let's me set the
>>samples up my way.)
>>
>>But, if there's more to it than my uneducated assumptions here, someone
>>please help me out.  I'm still new on this PC to sampler stuff.


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>There were rumours on this list about some new Roland mega-sampler
>to be unveiled at NAMM? Any observations 

Yes... it's awesome... everything we've been asking for. I heard it is 
expected to ship by this summer.

jr

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At 6:44 PM -0500 2/2/98, Jeremy Roberts wrote:
>>There were rumours on this list about some new Roland mega-sampler
>>to be unveiled at NAMM? Any observations
>
>Yes... it's awesome... everything we've been asking for. I heard it is
>expected to ship by this summer.
>
>jr
>

Thanks for playing with us jeremy :-). You could imagine my disappointment
when I checked roland's web page on Friday in their pr section and found
that the only new sampler was some groove sampler thingamij !!!
sven

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>Thanks for playing with us jeremy :-). You could imagine my disappointment
>when I checked roland's web page on Friday in their pr section and found
>that the only new sampler was some groove sampler thingamij !

And that "groove sampler thingamij" is pretty neat too!

I was asked by Roland NOT to post the specs on the net, although I was 
told I could say that I saw it at NAMM (in a private room) and it's 
cool...

The rumors are essentially true. It appears that Roland has a winner. It 
will be 100% file format compatible with existing libraries - important 
for sample developers! :-)

When Roland says leak it, I will....

jr

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Paul Gingerich <PGingerich@Lonet.ca> wrote:

>How can I get CONVERT1.4 or AWAVE?  What can they do?  
>Do they cost anything?

The utility CONVERT1.4 does the trick and its freeware.  I attach 
here a portion of a message from mike p, which gives the site:

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Date sent:        Wed, 8 
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To:               sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca
Subject:          sgroup convert 1.4


i found the conversion utility that i was talking about. its called
convert 1.4 it can be found (with lots of other stuff) at:

http://www.cdrom.com/pub/demos/music/programs/convert/
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The problem with AWAVE (which is at the same site) is that it does 
not write Roland disk image format, and its also not freeware (costs 
about US $50 I think).

BTW I would have known nothing about these programs if it hadn't 
have been for the sgroup...thanks guys. 

 john 
 cape town
 sa

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At 12:44 AM -0500 3/2/98, Jeremy Roberts wrote:
>>Thanks for playing with us jeremy :-). You could imagine my disappointment
>>when I checked roland's web page on Friday in their pr section and found
>>that the only new sampler was some groove sampler thingamij !
>
>And that "groove sampler thingamij" is pretty neat too!
>
>I was asked by Roland NOT to post the specs on the net, although I was
>told I could say that I saw it at NAMM (in a private room) and it's
>cool...
>
>The rumors are essentially true. It appears that Roland has a winner. It
>will be 100% file format compatible with existing libraries - important
>for sample developers! :-)
>
>When Roland says leak it, I will....
>
>jr
>



Ooh, you weren't joking. I hope you are not yanking our chain, I really do
need a new sampler, preferable by far from Roland.
richard sven


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AWAVE: http://hem.passagen.se/fmj/fmjsoft.html

CONVERT1.4: ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/demos/music/programs/convert/
however I get errors when unzipping the archive.  Does anyone else know 
another location for convert1.4?

> My primary concern is getting samples from the PC to the s550, but my
> interest is peaked with these two new proggies I've never heard of.
> Ultimately, I'd like a dedicated librarian program for my PC that's capable
> of archiving, sorting, etc, and from that, writing ready-to-go,
> no-fine-tuning-required s550 disks.  Wouldn't that be kewl?  So..........
> 
> How can I get CONVERT1.4 or AWAVE?  What can they do?  Do they cost anything?
> 
> tks
> Paul
> ========================================
> 
> 

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Brian Layzell
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Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling.

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here is convert 1.4 :)
latah!

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> Van: Paul Gingerich <PGingerich@Lonet.ca>
> Aan: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
> Onderwerp: Re: sgroup S550 sample conversion
> Datum: dinsdag 3 februari 1998 0:26
> 
> My primary concern is getting samples from the PC to the s550, but my
> interest is peaked with these two new proggies I've never heard of.
> Ultimately, I'd like a dedicated librarian program for my PC that's
capable
> of archiving, sorting, etc, and from that, writing ready-to-go,
> no-fine-tuning-required s550 disks.  Wouldn't that be kewl?  So..........
> 
> How can I get CONVERT1.4 or AWAVE?  What can they do?  Do they cost
anything?
> 
> tks
> Paul
> ========================================
> 
> >I would suggest using CONVERT1.4 or AWAVE to convert s550 sounds to a
> >proper PC patch format like Sounfont 2. If you are not using an AWE64 
> >then these conversion utlilities have other patch formats to export 
> >to.  You really don't want to waste too much time re-engineering 
> >every patch manually on your PC.
> >
> >later
> >  
> > john
> > cape town
> > sa
> 
> >>I'd noticed the fine-tuning requirement, actually, but I'm unfamiliar
with
> >>any other way to do it.  I've got SamDisk, but haven't really used it
> >>(ummm, don't know how).  Anyways, I believe it outputs entire disk
files,
> >>which would make storage and downloading more of a problem.  (I
personally
> >>don't really mind having to fine-tune the patches.  Let's me set the
> >>samples up my way.)
> >>
> >>But, if there's more to it than my uneducated assumptions here, someone
> >>please help me out.  I'm still new on this PC to sampler stuff.
> 
> 
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> >Yes... it's awesome... everything we've been asking for. I heard it is
> >expected to ship by this summer.

well, if theres any truth to this then im assuming therll be a bunch of
s-760's and 75-'s up for sale... hmmm. i might be interested in some of
that action, heheheh

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Sgroupers,

After forgetting to change my email alias for sgroup's new home...

Here's what came across on SYNTH-L today regarding Roland at the recent
NAMM in LA.

Bill	BillFox@lucent.com	http://wdiyfm.org
==============================================================================
Host of Emusic, an electronic, ambient, and space music show.  Thursdays at
11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and
Phillipsburg.  Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration.

================
> Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:26:28 MST
> >From:    Mike Metlay <atomic@TESSER.COM>
> Subject: Synth report from NAMM
>
> Hey, gang, just got back from NAMM and have a few things to report in the
> realm of synthesis and other cool toys. These are personal opinions and do
> not reflect the editorial stance or affiliations of the magazine for which
> I work. Honest.
>
> Also, because of the nature of this data, please note that Metlay's Law is
> temporarily suspended in spirit if not in letter; it is true that all of
> this is vaporware and you shouldn't be stopping making good music while you
> wait for it, but it was shown and except as noted, all of it was working
> and touchable by people other than the demo artists. Also note that my
> report here is based on my own biases as to what's cool--I'm not going to
> talk about stuff I personally wasn't interested in, regardless of its
> quality. Read the April RECORDING for a full report on stuff like software
> and mics, etc. Here I'll be talking about synths, hardware multitrack
> recorders, and a couple of sound cards and MIDI controllers.
>
> ***
>
> The really big rollout of gearhead-relevant boxes at the show was Roland's.
> They announced to their dealers that this year, after the promising start
> of the MC-303 Groovebox, they are creating a new division of Roland
> (similar to BOSS, sorta) called GROOVE, in which they will create and
> release a new line of stuff for dance markets. Expect ads in DJ and hiphop
> magazines as well as pro music books. The lineup starts with the DJ70MkII
> (still being made, new lower price) and MC-303, and they'll soon be
> shipping some new products to fill out the lineup.
>
> They announced the MC-505 Groovebox, basically a 303 with more oomph and
> realtime control, and the JX-305 Groovesynth, a combined sample playback
> synth and most of an MC-505 mounted in a keyboard with performance knobs
> and controls, so you can combine keyboard playing with DJ stuff.
>
> The one that got MY attention, though, was the SP-808 Groovesampler. It's a
> tabletop unit with 16 pads, six faders, three DJ "kill" eq knobs, effects,
> large LCD, 4-part sequencer, onboard modeled analog monosynth, and lots
> more. The ones they had at the show were working great, and I had a chance
> to play with one for about a half hour. Very cool. Oh,and it has little or
> no RAM on board; the thing stores all data, sound and otherwise, on Zip
> disks, and reads from them on the fly.
>
> One more thing: Roland announced that they've licensed Interactive Light's
> Dimension Beam IR controller, and it comes stock in two of the above units:
> a single DBeam in the MC-505 and a dual one in the SP-808. So you can alter
> tempo, do effects control, or other stuff by waving a hand over the unit.
> (People wanted a unit where not only did you not have to be able to play
> keyboards to make use of it, but you could sound cool just by flapping your
> arms. Now they have one.) The dual beam on the SP-808 can do a dandy
> Theremin imitation, too.
>
> Oh, and there was one straight-up keyboard: the XP-60, basically an XP-80
> UI and engine in an XP-50 case for an XP-50 price. There was also a new GS
> module and a new pad controller and some other stuff.
>
> In recording, the VS-880 has been supplemented top and bottom by the
> VS-840, which has simplified routing and effects and writes to an onboard
> Zip drive, and the VS-1680, which is basically a VS-880 with all of the
> complaints I had in my review answered (except one): huge graphic LCD, 16
> tracks playback and 8 simultaneous record, onboard 2 Gb drive, better I/O
> with 24-bit converters, blah blah blah. Yes, it still uses RDAC
> compression, but supposedly you get better than 16-bit linear sound because
> you start with 24-bit data words before you compress. We'll see.
>
> When's this stuff shipping? I don't recall all of the details; some is
> ready to go right now, others not. The main thing is, they had working
> models that people could actually play with of all of these items, not just
> empty boxes, so while this stuff is still vapor, it's not likely NOT to
> happen. And that's as close to stretching Metlay's Law as I care to get.

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"Brian Layzell" <blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com> wrote:

>CONVERT1.4: ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/demos/music/programs/convert/
>however I get errors when unzipping the archive.  Does anyone else know 
>another location for convert1.4?

Strange, my download unpacked fine. What about trying to contact the 
author to find if there are other sites, or even an upgrade. Mail him 
at: 
    usufi4@finf.upv.es

 john 
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I think i owe everybody who didnt want convert 1.4 an apology :)
sorry for stuffing 140 k in your mailbox... accidentaly mailed it to the =
group,
and not the guy who wanted it (but maybe some others were happy to =
receive it too, i dont know.. whatever..). Anyway.. one of the people in =
the list thought it
was necessary to be a complete prick about it and sent it back (haha =
very funny,
now you had to wait twice for your 386, doubt you have more if you're =
whining about 100k, to receive/send the file). Here's a little message =
for this 'person', who
didnt include his email... ofcourse not.. chickenshits never do....
everybody else : im sorry for sending you stuff you didnt want..

MESSAGE FOR 'JOHN DOE'

Aha.. look at this.. I was expecting something like this already.
I got one thing to say to you.... I feel sorry for you if you got =
problems
with over 100 K files. Get a job and buy a harddisk (not your 270 meg =
toy
you got now) . You can even fit 14 of em on a floppy... so what's the
whining about... sorry that i sent it.. but i couldnt help it.. it was =
gone
already, and instead of adressing it to the fellow who wanted it (you =
know??
trying to help) i adressed it to the group.. the only thing a REAL moron
would do would be sending it BACK (this is how list wars start, but i'll =
bet
you know that already, or not, depending on that carrot sized brain of
yours)
If you dont want it.. PRESS DELETE.... or didnt you know that yet.
stupid idiot...... supposedly people on the net should be more =
intelligent
than others.. but you are obviously the big exeption..

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Now that you've displayed your intellectual integrity for everyone on
the list, I hope you and whoever returned the program that you sent us
will go back to treating this listserve as intended.  By the way, it was
funny, and (hopefully) not meant to illicit your display of maturity.
Were all on this list b/c we support Roland (well, or need support from
Roland).
...and just so you know, I thought it was funny that you accidentally
sent us all the file too.  (Next time include a mac program.)

My Roland complaint:  I have 4 manuals for my S-760 (quick-start, easy,
advanced, and the one that came w/the mouse module).  Couldn't Roland
have made one of them good?

DJ System wrote:

>  I think i owe everybody who didnt want convert 1.4 an apology :)sorry
> for stuffing 140 k in your mailbox... accidentaly mailed it to the
> group,and not the guy who wanted it (but maybe some others were happy
> to receive it too, i dont know.. whatever..). Anyway.. one of the
> people in the list thought itwas necessary to be a complete prick
> about it and sent it back (haha very funny,now you had to wait twice
> for your 386, doubt you have more if you're whining about 100k, to
> receive/send the file). Here's a little message for this 'person',
> whodidnt include his email... ofcourse not.. chickenshits never
> do....everybody else : im sorry for sending you stuff you didnt
> want.. MESSAGE FOR 'JOHN DOE' Aha.. look at this.. I was expecting
> something like this already.
> I got one thing to say to you.... I feel sorry for you if you got
> problems
> with over 100 K files. Get a job and buy a harddisk (not your 270 meg
> toy
> you got now) . You can even fit 14 of em on a floppy... so what's the
> whining about... sorry that i sent it.. but i couldnt help it.. it was
> gone
> already, and instead of adressing it to the fellow who wanted it (you
> know??
> trying to help) i adressed it to the group.. the only thing a REAL
> moron
> would do would be sending it BACK (this is how list wars start, but
> i'll bet
> you know that already, or not, depending on that carrot sized brain of
>
> yours)
> If you dont want it.. PRESS DELETE.... or didnt you know that yet.
> stupid idiot...... supposedly people on the net should be more
> intelligent
> than others.. but you are obviously the big exeption..



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Perhaps you downloaded it in ftp ASCII mode in stead of binary?

:Peter

> "Brian Layzell" <blayze01@cps.plnin.gmeds.com> wrote:
> 
> >CONVERT1.4: ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/demos/music/programs/convert/
> >however I get errors when unzipping the archive.  Does anyone else know 
> >another location for convert1.4?
> 
> Strange, my download unpacked fine. What about trying to contact the 
> author to find if there are other sites, or even an upgrade. Mail him 
> at: 
>     usufi4@finf.upv.es
> 
>  john 
>  cape town
>  sa
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You've hit on exactly what a friend of mine and I have suspected for quite a
while.  There's got to be a problem with the conversion from Japanese to
English.  Parts of the manual must be a direct translation...words are exactly
reversed in some places!  (Did they get  the 'don't submerse in water' line
straight').  I hope that Roland's translators don't ever work for the
government!  It can't be ignorance...their machines are to awesome!  Maybe the
engineers get too technical for the transcriber????  I've never seen the W30
manual...but I plan on experimenting with future Roland acquisitions before
cracking open the manual.

DJ System wrote: >My Roland complaint:  I have 4 manuals for my S-760
(quick-start, easy,

> >advanced, and the one that came w/the mouse module).  Couldn't Roland
> >have made one of them good?
>
> pff... tell me about it.. i got a dutch (well.... supposedly :) manual for
> my W30. and i think its translated by a badly dutch speaking japanese... its
> a crime.. totally



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Dear Sgroup

Recently John Sellens notified us that the ftp library will need a new 
host, as lotus.uwaterloo.ca is being retired. Yesterday I discovered 
an web-based dowload sound library called Sound Central 
(www.soundcentral.com) and I emailed the webmaster (James Olsen) 
to ask if they'll consider taking the Roland files. I have attached his 
reply, but someone needs to take over the process from here as I
cannot answer some of his questions (John Sellens?).

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John Stuart wrote: 
> Now for my suggestion: would your site consider hosting the
> Roland Sound Library (s10, s330, s550, s50, w30, s760)? The 
> current host - ftp://lotus.uwaterloo.ca is being retired &

That site appears to already be down (or the connection between myself and
that site is momentarily inoperative).

If the samples are freely distributable, I would consider hosting them
here. Please let me know a little more information about this site, the
samples, and why the site is no longer available.

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Does anybody want to buy a copy of Director-S
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I just purchased a CyberDrive 12X CD-ROM drive for my S-760.

First, it continually spins the CD-ROM whether or not it is being accessed.
Is this normal?

Secondly, and most importantly, it will load all the samples but when I go
to play them some grooves are missing large chunks of data and a very
strange noise will play instead. For example, the strange noise will play,
then a portion of the loop then more strange noise.

When I examine the sample data, the sample will be missing portions of data
which has been replaced by a straight flat line. This is what makes the
strange noise.

Is this a compatibility problem between the CD-ROM and my S-760 or is the
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John/James - thanks to both of you for your help and interest.

Just for the record, the archive (of which I've saved a couple of
copies) is about 165MB and consists of 582 files, which are a large
part of the official Roland sample library, various versions of
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archives, and a number of user contributed samples.

The old archive host, lotus.uwaterloo.ca was a nice DEC Microvax II,
about 10 years old, and it was just dismantled to scavenge for parts,
most notably the nice rack mount power supply.  Oh well - free rides
usually last only so long.

I'm thinking about a couple of alternatives for a new home for the
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Is there any way to save loops created using Peak on the Macintosh to a Zip
disk connected to the Mac but formatted for the Roland S-760?

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capability of writing to Roland formatted disks. As I understand it,
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Is there anyone who has built a tb303 or look alike patch for the s760?
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On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, cyber7 wrote:

> Is there anyone who has built a tb303 or look alike patch for the s760?

I have a couple of 303 patches for the 760.  Of course, the filters on the
760 sound nothing like a real 303, so nobody is going to mistake it for
the real deal, but the original sample data is from a 303 at least.

I can try to bundle some relevant things together in an .SDK file if
anyone is interested.



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Hi, cyber-7 here...
Have any one of you looked at the A3000 lately?  Included in this
sampler is tools that you can communicate with the A3k with via scsi. 
When do you think (I hope Roland monitors this ng) Roland will wake up
and either (1)implement standard SCSI on the S760 or (2)bring out tools
that will make it easy to send and retrieve sample to the S760.  
Roland is about to bring out a new release of sampler and I know what is
going to happen - OUT THE DOOR WITH THE OLD STUFF.
Thanks
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>When do you think (I hope Roland monitors this ng) Roland will wake up
>and either (1)implement standard SCSI on the S760 or (2)bring out tools
>that will make it easy to send and retrieve sample to the S760.

What's not standard about the scsi on the 760?

I send samples between my 760 and a macintosh all the time, and it is super
easy with recycle, d-sound, transfer station, or Bias.

am i missing something?


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On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, omz wrote:

> >When do you think (I hope Roland monitors this ng) Roland will wake up
> >and either (1)implement standard SCSI on the S760 or (2)bring out tools
> >that will make it easy to send and retrieve sample to the S760.
> 
> What's not standard about the scsi on the 760?
> 
> I send samples between my 760 and a macintosh all the time, and it is super
> easy with recycle, d-sound, transfer station, or Bias.
> 
> am i missing something?
> 

Someone will hopefully give a more complete detailed answer to this
question than I, since I don't know the exact manner in which the 760
deviates from the standard SCSI spec, but it definitely is an incomplete
implementation.  You're lucky to have a Mac; I don't know *any* PC users
who have been able to talk directly to the 760 via SCSI (I know I
haven't...)  I also have heard talk of people having difficulty using
various CD-ROMS, optical disks, etc. with the 760 (though the various OS
revisions have helped somewhat in this area).

Aside from compatibility issues, the other thing Roland absolutely needs
to get rid of is the 600MB per volume limit...  I don't even think they
make disks that tiny anymore.  :-)

  -Steve


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Steve Harvey wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, omz wrote:
> 
> > >When do you think (I hope Roland monitors this ng) Roland will wake up
> > >and either (1)implement standard SCSI on the S760 or (2)bring out tools
> > >that will make it easy to send and retrieve sample to the S760.
> >
> > What's not standard about the scsi on the 760?
> >
> > I send samples between my 760 and a macintosh all the time, and it is super
> > easy with recycle, d-sound, transfer station, or Bias.
> >
> > am i missing something?
> >
> 
> Someone will hopefully give a more complete detailed answer to this
> question than I, since I don't know the exact manner in which the 760
> deviates from the standard SCSI spec, but it definitely is an incomplete
> implementation.  You're lucky to have a Mac; I don't know *any* PC users
> who have been able to talk directly to the 760 via SCSI (I know I
> haven't...)  I also have heard talk of people having difficulty using
> various CD-ROMS, optical disks, etc. with the 760 (though the various OS
> revisions have helped somewhat in this area).
> 
> Aside from compatibility issues, the other thing Roland absolutely needs
> to get rid of is the 600MB per volume limit...  I don't even think they
> make disks that tiny anymore.  :-)
> 
>   -Steve
> 
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I did get it right using ReCycle 1.6 to see the S760 on the SCSI line,
but I did not think that it was worth anything as my 32bit drivers had
to disabled...  No CD-R, No DAT, No SCANNER ect.  Propellerheads started
with hacking the code, but seem to have lost interest.
cyber-7
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>>When do you think (I hope Roland monitors this ng) Roland will wake up
>>and either (1)implement standard SCSI on the S760 or (2)bring out tools
>>that will make it easy to send and retrieve sample to the S760.
>
>What's not standard about the scsi on the 760?
>
>I send samples between my 760 and a macintosh all the time, and it is super
>easy with recycle, d-sound, transfer station, or Bias.
>
>am i missing something?

You still need MIDI and OMS to transfer samples and it doesn=B4t seem to
be possible to edit partials, patches or performaces via SCSI.  If cyber-7
is talking about full control over sounds via SCSI I totally agree.  Maybe
this is not the S760's fault, but rather what is happening on the other end =
of
the SCSI cable!?  Those of you who have been writing programs for the
S760 could explain things here...


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>>What's not standard about the scsi on the 760?

>Those of you who have been writing programs for the
S760 could explain things here...

Well, there is nothing really 'standard' about any sampler doing scsi
sample dumps. I guess the SMDI protocol is the closest thing to a standard
and even then each manufacturer has its own variances (sample numbering,
extended headers, etc).

The S760 needs a MIDI message to put the S760 into/out of its Remote Mode.
If the S760 is not in its Remote Mode, then the S760 will ignore any scsi
inquiry messages, etc. That is why the S760 does not show up using SCSI
Probe.

All other samplers I've written scsi drivers for (Akai, Emu, Kurzweil,
Peavey) do not require any MIDI for doing sample dumps. The Ensoniq
ASR-10/EPS requires MIDI setup messages before doing the scsi dump, the
ASR-X (which uses SMDI) does not. Akais have their own weird way of
identifying themselves on the scsi bus. And so it goes.

The S760 is a old device in sampler-years. Remember, the previous Roland
samplers (S770,750,700) cannot even reside on the same scsi bus as the Mac!
My crystal ball says things will change for the better in the future. Yes,
Roland is thinking of this.

Now if manufacturers could agree on a standard spec for doing keymaps...!

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On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, cyber7 wrote:

> I did get it right using ReCycle 1.6 to see the S760 on the SCSI line,
> but I did not think that it was worth anything as my 32bit drivers had
> to disabled...  No CD-R, No DAT, No SCANNER ect.  Propellerheads started
> with hacking the code, but seem to have lost interest.
> cyber-7
> -- 


Mmm.  Not to mention that disabling the 32bit drivers absolutely KILLS
performance; that's not a viable option at all in my opinion.

Has anyone tried a recent version of Sound Forge w/a SCSI-ed 760?  I have
a somewhat old version (v3.x, which is a couple of years old), which only
works with MIDI/SDS, but in one of the readmes, Sonic Foundry mentioned
plans to improve 760 support in the future.  I haven't tried v4.0, but I
figured I would have heard something about it here if anything had
changed.


  -Steve


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> The S760 is a old device in sampler-years. Remember, the previous Roland
> samplers (S770,750,700) cannot even reside on the same scsi bus as the Mac!

Now wait a minute.  When I have my Mac and Roland on the same scsi chain, I
lock up sooner or later.  The problem seems to appear if I turn on the Roland
or if the Roland accesses the SCSI chain at the same time as the Mac
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Adam <statik@gate.net> writes:

> > The S760 is a old device in sampler-years. Remember, the previous
Roland
> > samplers (S770,750,700) cannot even reside on the same scsi bus as
the Mac!
> 
> Now wait a minute.  When I have my Mac and Roland on the same scsi
chain, I
> lock up sooner or later.  The problem seems to appear if I turn on the
Roland
> or if the Roland accesses the SCSI chain at the same time as the Mac
> (Powerbase).

In Digital Performer's documentation for their sampler support, they
note that doing a disk scan on the S-760 can cause the Mac to hang.
Worth noting if this is not commonly known...

Since I use a removable drive for the sampler, scanning is
unfortunately not really avoidable in general...I'm considering
getting one of the little APS SCSI hot-swap dongles, so that I can
connect and disconnect the sampler and the Mac as desired (for
instance, disconnect when I need to scan a new cartridge). A SCSI
switcher would be a more elegant, but more expensive, solution.

- Dan



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I do understand how to change the S760's SCSI ID, however, the problem seems to
occur when the S-760 boots up (when it scans the SCSI chain) and when the Mac
scans the SCSI chain (this is even more of a problem b/c it happens more often
whereas the Roland only seems to on boot-up).  I will visit your site :)

Scott Morgan wrote:

> >> The S760 is a old device in sampler-years. Remember, the previous Roland
> >> samplers (S770,750,700) cannot even reside on the same scsi bus as the Mac!
> >
> >Now wait a minute.  When I have my Mac and Roland on the same scsi chain, I
> >lock up sooner or later.  The problem seems to appear if I turn on the Roland
> >or if the Roland accesses the SCSI chain at the same time as the Mac
> >(Powerbase).
>
> Which Roland sampler? The Pre-S760's were, I think, fixed at scsi ID#7
> -same as the Mac. That is why there is  a conflict. SCSI devices each need
> their own ID# on the SCSI bus.
>
> If you are using a S760, change the S760's SCSI ID. There is a screen dump
> on our website on how to do this: www.imuse.com. Look in the
> TransferStation page.
>
> regards,
>
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EXACTLY what I've been trying to find...a SCSI switchbox.  How much is a
PCI SCSI card w/nothing on it?  Couldn't that be another solution?

Dan Phillips wrote:

> Adam <statik@gate.net> writes:
>
> > > The S760 is a old device in sampler-years. Remember, the previous
> Roland
> > > samplers (S770,750,700) cannot even reside on the same scsi bus as
> the Mac!
> >
> > Now wait a minute.  When I have my Mac and Roland on the same scsi
> chain, I
> > lock up sooner or later.  The problem seems to appear if I turn on the
> Roland
> > or if the Roland accesses the SCSI chain at the same time as the Mac
> > (Powerbase).
>
> In Digital Performer's documentation for their sampler support, they
> note that doing a disk scan on the S-760 can cause the Mac to hang.
> Worth noting if this is not commonly known...
>
> Since I use a removable drive for the sampler, scanning is
> unfortunately not really avoidable in general...I'm considering
> getting one of the little APS SCSI hot-swap dongles, so that I can
> connect and disconnect the sampler and the Mac as desired (for
> instance, disconnect when I need to scan a new cartridge). A SCSI
> switcher would be a more elegant, but more expensive, solution.
>
> - Dan



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hi
 
i  am starting to wish that my s-330 had a higher maximum sample rate than
30 kHz. using digital recorders and some notibly rich sound sources makes
my sampler sound dull. i have this idea that i can't tell if it works.
 
sample with a computer.. just record a .wav at 44.1 (or 48) kHz. then i
can sample dump it to my sampler with samplevision, which has a weird way
of assuming that the sample rate is 30 KHz. i usually export the .wav's as
30 kHz files to avoid this.. but ive found that if i don't, then when i
play em back un the sampler they are way too low in pitch. by tuning the
sample up to propper pitch it should fool the sampler into using a higher
sample rate, right? except that i have a feeling that the filter will
always be at 127 (never higher) and those added high frequencies will just
get removed by the filter. has anyone had enough experiecne hacking the OS
to find a way around this? um, probably not, huh. does anybody WANT to?
 
id gladly give up a little sample time for 44.1 kHz samples.
im not ready to shell out for a new sampler yet tho.

thanks,
mike


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No...you're not fooling your sampler.

    Your sampler is incapable of containing a sample beyond 30khz.  The reason why
the sample plays back slower when you've dumped a 44.1 or 48khz sample is that
your sampler is playing the sample back as if it had been sampled at 30khz.  When
you pitch up your sample, you are still playing a 30khz sample, but at a different
SAMPLE RATE.  For example, you are now playing your 30khz sample back at 30
samples per second.  If you pitch your sample up or down enough you will find
digital distortion that is not present in a 44.1khz sample pitched up or down the
same degree.  Don't foget that the bit rate will affect your sound quality as well
(I don't think that the S330 is a 16 bit machine...is it?)  (I'm sure that the
concept expressed here is correct.  If anyone thinks that the specific terms I've
used (ie. "sample rate" and "samples per second") please tell me!)
    As far as getting the pitches higher at 30khz.  There must be a way to do it.
The S760 has a little toy in it that will enhance the highs (like a booster) in a
30khz (or any other sample rate) sample.  I have an idea.  This must be some sort
of EQ.  For example, if you put an EQ on the output of your 30Khz sample...well,
you see where I'm going.  I am not familiar with the S330.  Maybe there is an
internal EQ curve you can apply?  If not, try putting an EQ on the sample before
dumping the sample over.  OF COURSE this is not very scientific (for you recording
engineers)...but it should work.  I guess it will take same experimenting...but
once you find a setting that you like, you should be able to use the same one for
all of your samples.  It won't be perfect...but it should give you what you're
looking for!

I hope this helps!
The Quad Squad - http://www.gate.net/~statik

mike p wrote:

> hi
>
> i  am starting to wish that my s-330 had a higher maximum sample rate than
> 30 kHz. using digital recorders and some notibly rich sound sources makes
> my sampler sound dull. i have this idea that i can't tell if it works.
>
> sample with a computer.. just record a .wav at 44.1 (or 48) kHz. then i
> can sample dump it to my sampler with samplevision, which has a weird way
> of assuming that the sample rate is 30 KHz. i usually export the .wav's as
> 30 kHz files to avoid this.. but ive found that if i don't, then when i
> play em back un the sampler they are way too low in pitch. by tuning the
> sample up to propper pitch it should fool the sampler into using a higher
> sample rate, right? except that i have a feeling that the filter will
> always be at 127 (never higher) and those added high frequencies will just
> get removed by the filter. has anyone had enough experiecne hacking the OS
> to find a way around this? um, probably not, huh. does anybody WANT to?
>
> id gladly give up a little sample time for 44.1 kHz samples.
> im not ready to shell out for a new sampler yet tho.
>
> thanks,
> mike
>
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>What's not standard about the scsi on the 760?

It doesn't respond to the standard "Device identification" command.

But the problem with Win 95 isn't simply that the S-760 is non-standard
in this respect, but that the SCSI subsystem for Win 95 refuses to
talk to any device that doesn't identify itself.

So it's partly a crappy SCSI implementation on the S-760 and a crappy
SCSI implementation in Win 95.

I recall this from some ReCycle documentation that I downloaded from
the web.

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>>What's not standard about the scsi on the 760?
>
>It doesn't respond to the standard "Device identification" command.

Actually the S760 does response to this, but first needs a MIDI message to
put the S760 into remote scsi mode. Akais do not respond to standard device
inquiries.

>But the problem with Win 95 isn't simply that the S-760 is non-standard
>in this respect, but that the SCSI subsystem for Win 95 refuses to
>talk to any device that doesn't identify itself.

Among other things. That is a horror story for another day.

>So it's partly a crappy SCSI implementation on the S-760 

The S760 is not so bad, except for the MIDI message/Remote mode part.

>and a crappy
>SCSI implementation in Win 95.

You got that right!

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Adam wrote:
> > Remember, the previous Roland
> > samplers (S770,750,700) cannot even reside on the same scsi bus as the Mac!

Not so, my S750 can reside on the same SCSI chain as my Mac. Having said
that, that particular set-up is more trouble than it's worth - as you
note, sooner or later something will hang. I only ever set up like this
in order to access Roland CD-ROMs as the internal Apple CD drive is the
only one I have.

Posted as a matter of interest for other S750/770 owners!


Also re 'sgroup sorry manuals' - I reckon the S750 manual is the
clearest and easiest manual I've ever seen for any piece of tech kit.
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Scott Morgan wrote:

>>>What's not standard about the scsi on the 760?
>>
>>It doesn't respond to the standard "Device identification" command.
>
>Actually the S760 does response to this, but first needs a MIDI message to
>put the S760 into remote scsi mode. Akais do not respond to standard device
>inquiries.

Yeah - I know that you need to put the S-760 into remote SCSI mode via
MIDI first.  I'm sure I have done that, then booted Win 95 (and OS/2
for that matter).  It doesn't show up on the SCSI probe when the PC
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> you pitch up your sample, you are still playing a 30khz sample, but at a different
> SAMPLE RATE.  For example, you are now playing your 30khz sample back at 30

i think you missed the point here. right, the 30kHz sample is being
played back at a different rate.. 44.1kHz, making it higher in pitch. but
in this case I would have made that 30kHz sample purposly lowered in
pitch. the way that a sampler changes the pitch of a sample is by changing
the sample rate. the only "question" i had was weather a sample pitch
shifted up contains higher frequencies than a sample played back on the
"original key". i have a funny feeling that the high frequencies
(everything above 15k) is always cut to prevent aliasing distortion, altho
the said nyquist filter *should* move up with the sample rate.. 

>     As far as getting the pitches higher at 30khz.  There must be a way to do it.
> The S760 has a little toy in it that will enhance the highs (like a booster) in a

yes, and no. regardless of how you eq it there is just NO information
above 15k in a 30kHz sample. altho you can't really hear these
frequencies, they are responsible for the "sparkle" quality in cymbals and
other sounds, which im sure you probably knew.

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Hi sgroup,

I'm in desparate need of a s550 utility dik image. I'm hundreds of miles
away from home working on a performance and I've forgotten my utility
disk. I haven't heard if the sgroup ftpsite is back up yet or not. Could
some kind soul throw  this file up in .sdk form on a site somewhere or
email it to me? If emailed send it to shawnp@supernet.ab.ca

Thanks!!

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Folks, here's what I did.  Since this was my first time using SamDisk, can
anybody tell me if it was as easy as I thought it was?

If so, wish I'd tried earlier.  And then to the guy who e-mailed me earlier
about using .out's on my site instead of .zips:  compare .out at ~80k to
.zip at ~380k!  Wow!  Wish I'd listened to you and tried sooner!  `:)  Tks.

If not, someone please enlighten me to as what I did do?

Tks,
Paul
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Shawn,

I don't know if this is right, but I figured better to try and fail (and
stiff you with a fat download), than to scratch my head and do nothing.

 - put my S-550 Utility Disk in and ran samdisk to get samdisk.out image.
 - it's renamed here as Util1_13.out.
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OK.
    Since I'm the only one who has posted a response to the group, it seems that nobody
has caught the jist of what were asking.  Now, I'm even more uncertain.
    It seems now that your asking if, by pressing a higher note on your keyboard, you
are illiciting a higher frequency sample.  Since it seems that you know more about
digital sampling than first appeared, this is probably incorrect.  In case I am not
(and in hope that someone new to digital sampling might benefit), the answer is "sort
of."  The sample data is exactly the same.  The frequency is higher because you're
playing a higher pitch.  Hence, if you are correct in assuming that any frequency over
15khz is truncated on a 30khz sample, the same sample pitched up may emit frequencies
over 15khz.  The sample played back at the same rate is limited to <= 15khz.  Moral:
the sample data does not change.


mike p wrote:

> > you pitch up your sample, you are still playing a 30khz sample, but at a different
> > SAMPLE RATE.  For example, you are now playing your 30khz sample back at 30
>
> i think you missed the point here. right, the 30kHz sample is being
> played back at a different rate.. 44.1kHz, making it higher in pitch. but
> in this case I would have made that 30kHz sample purposly lowered in
> pitch. the way that a sampler changes the pitch of a sample is by changing
> the sample rate. the only "question" i had was weather a sample pitch
> shifted up contains higher frequencies than a sample played back on the
> "original key". i have a funny feeling that the high frequencies
> (everything above 15k) is always cut to prevent aliasing distortion, altho
> the said nyquist filter *should* move up with the sample rate..
>
> >     As far as getting the pitches higher at 30khz.  There must be a way to do it.
> > The S760 has a little toy in it that will enhance the highs (like a booster) in a
>
> yes, and no. regardless of how you eq it there is just NO information
> above 15k in a 30kHz sample. altho you can't really hear these
> frequencies, they are responsible for the "sparkle" quality in cymbals and
> other sounds, which im sure you probably knew.
>
> mike
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I'm also curious about Adam's question, but thought
confusing all the talk of ...
> played back at a different rate.. 44.1kHz, making
it higher in pitch. but
> in this case I would have made that 30kHz sample
purposely lowered in
...

Lets try to simplify and re-ask the question.
Maybe here is another way of putting Adam's
question (if not, please correct me):

If you sample a 100Hz sine wave and map it to key
C2, when you press C3, you hear a 200Hz tone. If
you press C4 you get a 400Hz tone.

So what would happen if I sampled a 10kHz tone, and
mapped it to C2? Well, if I pressed C3, I should
produce a 20kHz tone. If I pressed C4 I should
produce a 40kHz tone. (Note I said "produce", not
"hear," and even that is probably wrong)

Now let's introduce system limitations. The initial
sampling rate was 30kHz, which most people claim is
good enough to reproduce up to 15kHz tones (I have
questions about this, but we'll deal with that
later).

My question, and what I believe Adam's question to
be is: Shouldn't pressing C3 now produce a 20kHz
tone? Isn't pitching up a 10kHz tone different from
sampling an original 20kHz tone?


My hypothesis:
I think that this will not work, because I think
that the digital data is sent to the DAC at a fixed
rate (clock speed), that rate being 30kHz in the
case of the s550.

On the other hand, I also have a little
Digitech/DOD digital delay/sampler pedal. It has a
rotary control to adjust the sample time. Am I
totally insane/stupid/misguided to think that this
control is changing the clock speed of the unit?



Now lets go back to the matter of 30kHz digital
reproducing up to 15kHz. The way I understand it,
at 15kHz, a sine wave and a square wave should be
indistinguishable to the digital recorder. This
doesn't sound like a good thing. Again, am I stupid
or misguided? Or merely insane?

Thanks to anyone who can help.

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NOTE:  THIS IS NOT ADAM'S QUESTION...IT IS MICHAEL P'S QUESTION

Peter Wayman wrote:

> I'm also curious about Adam's question, but thought
> confusing all the talk of ...
> > played back at a different rate.. 44.1kHz, making
> it higher in pitch. but
> > in this case I would have made that 30kHz sample
> purposely lowered in
> ...
>
> Lets try to simplify and re-ask the question.
> Maybe here is another way of putting Adam's
> question (if not, please correct me):
>
> If you sample a 100Hz sine wave and map it to key
> C2, when you press C3, you hear a 200Hz tone. If
> you press C4 you get a 400Hz tone.
>
> So what would happen if I sampled a 10kHz tone, and
> mapped it to C2? Well, if I pressed C3, I should
> produce a 20kHz tone. If I pressed C4 I should
> produce a 40kHz tone. (Note I said "produce", not
> "hear," and even that is probably wrong)
>
> Now let's introduce system limitations. The initial
> sampling rate was 30kHz, which most people claim is
> good enough to reproduce up to 15kHz tones (I have
> questions about this, but we'll deal with that
> later).
>
> My question, and what I believe Adam's question to
> be is: Shouldn't pressing C3 now produce a 20kHz
> tone? Isn't pitching up a 10kHz tone different from
> sampling an original 20kHz tone?
>
> My hypothesis:
> I think that this will not work, because I think
> that the digital data is sent to the DAC at a fixed
> rate (clock speed), that rate being 30kHz in the
> case of the s550.
>
> On the other hand, I also have a little
> Digitech/DOD digital delay/sampler pedal. It has a
> rotary control to adjust the sample time. Am I
> totally insane/stupid/misguided to think that this
> control is changing the clock speed of the unit?
>
> Now lets go back to the matter of 30kHz digital
> reproducing up to 15kHz. The way I understand it,
> at 15kHz, a sine wave and a square wave should be
> indistinguishable to the digital recorder. This
> doesn't sound like a good thing. Again, am I stupid
> or misguided? Or merely insane?
>
> Thanks to anyone who can help.
>
> :P
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Oy vey! I am so confused!

Adam: my apologies, good sir!


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Peter Wayman said:
> Now lets go back to the matter of 30kHz digital
> reproducing up to 15kHz. The way I understand it,
> at 15kHz, a sine wave and a square wave should be
> indistinguishable to the digital recorder. This
> doesn't sound like a good thing.

Don't confuse our hearing abilities with a sampling system's design
specs.  Yes, a sampling system having 15kHz bandwidth will grab two
samples of a 15kHz sinewave.  Concievably, both samples could even occur
at the zero crossings!  But that is a system spec.  That is, it wasn't
designed to work on frequencies above its design limit.  That's why the
input is fed to a filter that insures no frequencies above its design
limit get through to the sample-and-hold and ADC circuits.  A 15kHz
squarewave would have all of its overtones filtered out and be presented
to the S/H and ADC as a sinewave.  This is either good or bad, depending
upon your application.

> The initial
> sampling rate was 30kHz, which most people claim is
> good enough to reproduce up to 15kHz tones (I have
> questions about this, but we'll deal with that
> later).

It's more than a claim, it's a mathematical fact that was proven by Bell
Laboratories' Harry Nyquist in the 1920s! Brain teaser:  If digital
audio systems are supposed to have a 20kHz bandwidth and a 40kHz
sampling frequency is sufficiently fast enough for such a system, then
why is 44.1kHz the standard for CDs and the like?

Bill	BillFox@lucent.com	http://wdiyfm.org
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On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, William_B_Fox wrote:

> Peter Wayman said:
> > The initial
> > sampling rate was 30kHz, which most people claim is
> > good enough to reproduce up to 15kHz tones
> 
> It's more than a claim, it's a mathematical fact that was proven by Bell
> Laboratories' Harry Nyquist in the 1920s!

30kHz can reproduce up to 15kHz frequencies but there is potential for
confusion here: a 15kHz *tone* (as opposed to sinusoidal frequency) will
not reproduce correctly if it has overtones (harmonics) at higher
frequencies. Virtually all natural tones will have such harmonics.


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Hahah !!!

>Brain teaser:  If digital
>audio systems are supposed to have a 20kHz bandwidth and a 40kHz
>sampling frequency is sufficiently fast enough for such a system, then
>why is 44.1kHz the standard for CDs and the like?


AND !!!! why are there 48Khz and even 56(!)Khz sampling devices (like
datrecorders).
Its the same old digital analog story, you can never have too much
resolution, and THAT's
what's important in sampling.... and, well, i dont have to tell you that
records still sound a lot
better and more dynamic then any cd in the world.

Frans


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@ Bill	BillFox@lucent.com:
@ Brain teaser:  If digital audio systems are
@ supposed to have a 20kHz bandwidth and a 40kHz
@ sampling frequency is sufficiently fast enough
@ for such a system, then why is 44.1kHz the
@ standard for CDs and the like?

Well, I'd guess that if the recording only had
20kHz bandwidth, you still wouldn't be getting a
faithful reproduction because signals at the
highest frequencies couldn't be at different
phases.
@ Concievably, ... samples could even occur at
@ the zero crossings!


# Frans:
# AND !!!! why are there 48Khz and even 56(!)Khz
# sampling devices (like datrecorders). Its the
# same old digital analog story, you can never
# have too much resolution, and THAT's what's
# important in sampling.... and, well, i dont
# have to tell you that records still sound a
# lot better and more dynamic then any cd in
# the world.
Oh oh.. let's not start a religious war now!

Thanks for the input!

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Peter Wayman wrote:

> Now lets go back to the matter of 30kHz digital
> reproducing up to 15kHz. The way I understand it,
> at 15kHz, a sine wave and a square wave should be
> indistinguishable to the digital recorder. This
> doesn't sound like a good thing. Again, am I stupid
> or misguided? Or merely insane?

That's always been my belief as well (although PW expresses it rather
succinctly!) and it would imply that the sampling rate should be much
higher that 44.1KHz for true fidelity. And I seem to recall that I've
seen this heatedly argued in the pro sound magazines. There were some
DAT machines made for the 'pro' market that sampled at 96KHz or
thereabouts. So Boo! Hiss!! to Mr. Nyquist!

On a subjective level, I notice that sometimes when you hear a ride
cymbal played by a real drummer, it can sound better than any recording
I've ever heard - the sound is more of a sparkly shimmer than the sort
of tappy hiss of a recorded cymbal.

Wandering further from topic, if digital devices have their upper
frequency limit deliberately 'capped' by filters, what determines the
upper frequency limit on analogue equipment? Is the high frequency
response determined by design, or is it just dictated by the limits of
transistors, valves and capacitors?

Pete


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> Brain teaser:  If digital audio systems are
> supposed to have a 20kHz bandwidth and a 40kHz
> sampling frequency is sufficiently fast enough
> for such a system, then why is 44.1kHz the
> standard for CDs and the like?

	There is a logical reason for that 44.1kHz figure. Back in the days
when Philips was developing the compact disk, the only machines capable
of recording such a high density signal as digital audio where video
machines. So for the mastering of CD they used the 3/4" U-Matic video
machines and recorded the audio signal on the video part of the tape.
Now let's go into mathematics. In a video frame there's about 510 lines
of information from which 490 lines are usable for digital audio, and
they could fit 3 samples on each line; and we all know that there is 30
frames per second in video.

	So: 490 lines x 3 samples x 30 frames/sec. = 44100 samples/sec.

I hope i resolved your brain teaser.

Martin Lizee
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>and we all know that there is 30
>frames per second in video.

Only in the US, of course, and the cd was developed for more than 
America....nice try though!;)


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 Hey Folks...

> 
> That's always been my belief as well (although PW expresses it rather
> succinctly!) and it would imply that the sampling rate should be much
> higher that 44.1KHz for true fidelity. And I seem to recall that I've
> seen this heatedly argued in the pro sound magazines. There were some
> DAT machines made for the 'pro' market that sampled at 96KHz or
> thereabouts. So Boo! Hiss!! to Mr. Nyquist!

 Actually, even Nyquist stated that to (somewhat) faithfully reproduce a
 sine wave at some frequency....sample it at greater than twice the
 frequency. The 2x sample rate thing has a statistical component that is
 often overlooked. But the possibility of sampling at the zero crossings
 is real.
> 
> On a subjective level, I notice that sometimes when you hear a ride
> cymbal played by a real drummer, it can sound better than any recording
> I've ever heard - the sound is more of a sparkly shimmer than the sort
> of tappy hiss of a recorded cymbal.

I think this is the main problem with sampling......when you hit a real
cymbal, there's lots stuff happening across the surface of the cymbal.
Not the least of which is alot of phase interference.....destructive and
constructive. If a sample is made and looped to provide the sustain,
all that phasing (shimmer) is locked down. The result is a mere snapshot
of the original....very static....no motion.

Interesting point: If the sample is long enough to capture the cymbal
>from hit to decay to silence it will still not have the shimmer of the
original. Alot of the phasing that occurrs is the beat products of
cymbal frequencies way above the audible range. Even if the sound is
sampled at 'full bandwidth'....say 44.1khz, the component frequencies
that cause some of that shimmer may be in the 100khz region....say
100100 hz and 100110 hz. that could cause a 10 hz beat contributing to
the shimmer we hear. The 10 hz beat falls within the sampled range and
will be recorded.....But, the component frequencies are lost to the
anti-aliasing filters....the result is that the sound has a more static
feel/sound to it....most noticeable with multiple sampled-cymbal hits.
Even if you shift the pitch of succesive hits to give a more dynamic
flavor to it, I think that on some level, the ear sense the harmonic
monotony of it.
> 
> Wandering further from topic, if digital devices have their upper
> frequency limit deliberately 'capped' by filters, what determines the
> upper frequency limit on analogue equipment? Is the high frequency
> response determined by design, or is it just dictated by the limits of
> transistors, valves and capacitors?

Both really, a given device will have a finite bandwidth so some
filtering network is designed in to provide attenuation at the higher
frequencies. There is little practical purpose to extending the response
to more than a few hundred kilohertz (some would argue less) as it only
invites increased noise from other sources.
> 
My two cents anyway. Don't get me wrong....I'm not anti-sampling....I
love it...I just think we sometimes expect alittle too much from it.

Jim

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># AND !!!! why are there 48Khz and even 56(!)Khz
># sampling devices (like datrecorders). Its the
># same old digital analog story, you can never
># have too much resolution, and THAT's what's
># important in sampling.... and, well, i dont
># have to tell you that records still sound a
># lot better and more dynamic then any cd in
># the world.
>Oh oh.. let's not start a religious war now!


JIHAD !! JIHAD !! KILL THE CD PLAYERS !!
hmm. think ill emigrate to iraq :)


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Thanks to all that replied to my call for assistance!

I think I've got what I need. I'm off to try out this disk image!

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Tom Hartman wrote:
> 
> >and we all know that there is 30
> >frames per second in video.
> 
> Only in the US, of course, and the cd was developed for more than
> America....nice try though!;)


	That doesn't mean that they can't use 30 frames machines in the rest of
the world for digital audio.

	I worked for a couple of years in a CD manufacturing plant in Canada
and was sent to Philips in Eindoven to study CD mastering; and that
information was given to me by one of the developers of CD. So believe
me it's the truth.

	And don't forget that CD was co-developed by Sony in Japan where they
use the NTSC 30 frames standard.

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mike p wrote:
> i  am starting to wish that my s-330 had a higher maximum sample rate than
> 30 kHz. using digital recorders and some notibly rich sound sources makes
> my sampler sound dull.

Hm... I have both a S-330 and a S-760. I didn't notice any "dullness" in
the S-330's sound compared to the S-760 running at 44.1kHz sampling
frequncy yet. But maybe I'm too old to hear frequencies above 15kHz?
What kind of samples are you using when you notice dullness? Cymbals or
something like that?

> except that i have a feeling that the filter will
> always be at 127 (never higher) and those added high frequencies will just
> get removed by the filter.

Do you mean the TVF? This can be bypassed. See Tone PRM page, parameter
TVF On/Off.
But there are still smoothing filters behind the D/A-converters. Just
had a look at the service notes: these seem to be the units labelled
FL10 to FL17, K25-J1, FC=14.5kHz.

Ingo


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William_B_Fox <wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com> writes:
> If digital audio systems are supposed to have a 20kHz bandwidth and
> a 40kHz sampling frequency is sufficiently fast enough for such a
> system, then why is 44.1kHz the standard for CDs and the like?
The short answer is that it's impractical to build a filter that
drops off so quickly without introducing distortion. The higher
sampling rate allows you to use a more gentle analog filter that
starts rolling off at 20 KHz and hits its maximum attenuation before
the Nyquist frequency is reached.

When CDs originally hit the market there was lots of talk by
audiophiles of the phase distortion added by the steep filtering
(i.e. 44.1 KHz was still not good enough).


Martin Lizée <lizeem@ntic.qc.ca> writes:
> There is a logical reason for that 44.1kHz figure. ...the only
> machines capable of recording such a high density signal as digital
> audio where video machines. ... 490 lines x 3 samples x 30
> frames/sec. = 44100 samples/sec.
It's been a long time since I read about the early days of digital
audio, but that sounds like a plausible reason why that specific
frequency was chosen. However, I'll stand by my answer above as to
why a frequency above 40 KHz was chosen in the first place.


pete <pete@grifgraf.demon.co.uk> writes:
> ...it would imply that the sampling rate should be much higher that
> 44.1KHz for true fidelity. And I seem to recall that I've seen this
> heatedly argued in the pro sound magazines. There were some DAT
> machines made for the 'pro' market that sampled at 96KHz or
> thereabouts. So Boo! Hiss!! to Mr. Nyquist!
You're getting a few things confused. It's common practice these
days that just about all digital audio equipment, including cheap CD
players (though probably not most PC sound cards) use quite high
sampling rates for recording and playback. 2, 3, 4 times and higher
oversampling isn't uncommon. However, this higher data rate occurs
only between the ADC or DAC and a digital filter chip. The higher
frequency resolution data doesn't ever get recorded on the media.
Your DAT still stores 48 K samples per second (per channel).

The reason behind this is that manufacturers are taking advantage of
the speed enhancements (and corresponding cost reductions) occurring
in digital electronics to replace the analog filtering components.
Because they can now build fast ADCs and digital filters fairly
cheaply, it's easier for them to build a digital filter that can be
fairly simple and gradual due to the Nyquist frequency being so much
higher, than to do the equivalent with analog components. The end
result is you get less distortion from the filtering and better
reconstruction of the waveform.

> ...if digital devices have their upper frequency limit deliberately
> 'capped' by filters...
Technically, the filtering is chosen by the designers as a result of
other limits in the design, such as the DAC speed, processor speed,
available memory, and bandwidth of the memory system. This is why
you can't trivially get more bandwidth out of your sampler than it
was designed for.

> ...what determines the upper frequency limit on analogue equipment?
> Is the high frequency response determined by design, or is it just
> dictated by the limits of transistors, valves and capacitors?
To an extent it depends on when you ask that question. These days,
electronic components place no practical limits on the audio
bandwidth of analog equipment. Many decades ago I'm sure it did.
Today the limitation is the media.

But remember, upper frequency limit isn't a problem with modern
analog equipment. It's easy to find a reel-to-reel recorder with a
fast enough tape rate - or a common Hi-Fi VCR whose spinning heads
give you an effective high tape speed (and thus high bandwidth). The
problem is in separating the noise introduced by the media from the
music. That's what digital solves.

> Wandering further from topic...
I think we've gone far enough.
Maybe direct email would be more appropriate for further questions.
Also, there are a number of "basics of digital audio" books on the
market.

 -Tom

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Tom Metro
Venture Logic                                     tmetro@vl.com
Newton, MA, USA

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If  you  are  interested  in  trading  sample  cdroms  Roland / Akai/Emu  
format . Pls  email  me .

My  list  is  as  follows:


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CD-ROM  LIST
ROLAND  :                                                                                
NO.  OF  CD'S

1.  DIGITAL  BOY     -                                                         			                
2
2.  FOUNDATIONS    -  CLUB 50                                        		                
1
3.  WORLD  INSTRUMENTS  &  PERCUSSION -          		                1
4.  SYNCLAVIER  PERCUSSION   -                                 			                
1
5.  GIGAPACK  - 1                                                   			                
2
6.  GIGAPACK -  2                                                                                                               
2
7.  STACKWARE                                                     		                                
1  
8.  PREVIEW  DISK                         				                                
1
9.  ORCHESTRAL  FAMILY   1& 2                       			                2
10. PROSONUS  STRINGS                                     			                
1
11. DENNY  JAEGER   MASTER  VIOLIN            			                1
12. SONIC  IMAGES                                                                                                            
1
13. SUPREME  BEATS  - BASHIRI JOHNSON      				2
14. GLOBAL  INSTRUMENTS  1 &  2                   				2
15. DISTORTED  REALITY                                                                                                
1
16. BOB  CLEARMOUNTAIN   DRUM  SAMPLES 				1
17. HEAVY  HITTERS  GREATEST HITS  VOL -1  			                1
18. RHYTHM  OF  LIFE    vol 2                                                                                          
1  
19. NOW  CD - ROM   (  BEST  OFF  )		                                                
1
20. ROLAND   DRUMSCAPES  LOOPS  &  SOUNDS                                                   
1  
21.  STEVE   REID   PERCUSSION  SAMPLER   		                                
1
22.  ROLAND   ORCHESTRAL  WOODWINDS   		                                
1
23.  DANCE  INDUSTRIAL  -  VOL 1                         		                                
1   
24.  BURNING  GROOVES                                                                                                  
1           
25.  SYNCLAVIER  PERCUSSION +  WORLD  , ORCHESTRAL                                 
1
26.  ROLAND  SAMPLE  ARCHIVES  -  AFRICA  VOL-1 & 2                                     
2
27.  HEART  OF  ASIA                                                                                                       
2
28.  ROLAND  PRODUCERS  SFX  LIBRARY                                                                
1
29.  THE  VOICE  OF  NATIVE  AMERICA                                                                    
1
30.  ROLAND  SAMPLE  ARCHIVES -  RHYTHM  SECTION  VOL - 1                     
1
31.  BOB  CLEARMOUNTAIN   DRUM  SAMPLES   -  1  &  2                                   
1
                            NEW  ADDITIONS
32.  HEART  OF  AFRICA     VOL. 3  ( new )                                                                  
1
33.  KEYBOARDS OF THE 60'S & 70'S VOL. 1 & 2                                                       
2
34.  DAVID  RUFFY'S  DRUMS                                                                                        
1
35.  ORCHESTRAL  PERCUSSION  VOL . 1                                                                   
1
36.  PETER  SIEDLACZEK'S  ADVANCED  ORCHESTRA                                         
1
37.  SPECTRASONICS  APPETIZER  DISC                                                                    
1
38.  HANS  ZIMMER  GUITARS  VOL. 1                                                                        
1
39.  BASS  LEGENDS  - JOHN  PATITUCI   &  STANLEY  CLARKE                        
1
40.  MIROSLAV   VITOUS  -  ADVANCED  STRINGS                                                 
1
41.  ORCHESTRAL  SYMPHONY -  ROLAND  SAMPLE ARCHIVES                      
1 
42.  NYC Drumworks (Roland CD Rom) -                                                                        
2
43.  Liquid Grooves (Roland CD Rom)                                                                            
1
44.  Miroslav Vitous Woodwinds & Brass (Roland CD Rom)                                     
1       

AKAI   CD  ROMS

2.  LIGHTWARE  1  &  2                                                                                                   
2 
3.  WILL  LEE  BASS  LIBRARY                            			              
1
4.  AKAI  CD  ROM  SHOWCASE                         			              1
5.  AKAI  CD3000XL  SAMPLER                           			              1
6.  BRASS  SUPER  SECTION                                  			              
1
7.  SUPREME  BEATS  - BASHIRI  JOHNSON                                                             
1
    ( AFRICAN  CONTEMPORARY )  VOL -1          					                   
8.  SYNCLAVIER  STRINGS                                                                                             
1
9.  SYNCLAVIER   BRASS  &  WOODWINDS       					                         
10.TECHNO  TRANCE  - ZERO -G                                                                                  
1
11. AMBIENT                -  ZERO -G                                                                                  
1
12. DANCE  +  INDUSTRIAL                                                                                           
1
13. BLACK  2  BLACK                                                                                                      
2
14. PETER  SIEDLACZEKS   ORCHESTRA 8                                                                
1
15.XX-LARGE  EXTREME  1750  DRUM  LOOPS                                                        
1
                                     NEW  ADDITIONS 
16.  ZERO -  G   DATA  FILE  (  DRUM  LOOPS ,  TECHNO  FILLS )                        
1
17.  STEVE  GADD   -  DRUMSCORES                                                                           
1
18.  ALPHA  DANCE  -BEST  SERVICE                                                                         
1
19.  ELECTRO  SHOK  VOL .  1 & 2                                                                                 
2    
20.  EUROTECH                                                                                                                  
1  
21.  The Ultimate Piano Collection VOL.1 (Akai CD Rom)                                           
1  
22.  The Ultimate Piano Collection Vol.3 (Akai CD Rom)                                             
1     
23.  The Studio Grand (Akai CD Rom)
24.  The Drum Doctor (Akai CD Rom)
25.  Tekno Industrial (Akai CD Rom)
26.  PERCUSSION WORKS (Akai Format)
27.  Smoov Grooves (Akai CD Rom)
28.  WORLD COLORS ( AKAI Format)
29.  XX-Large Strings (Akai /Emu CD Rom)
28.  Advanced Orchestra (Akai CD Rom)
29.  Classical Choirs (Akai)
    Peter Siedlaczek's Film Score Version
30.)Volume #3-Woodwinds
32.)Volume #4-Brass & Effects
33. XX-Large - the killer (Akai CD Rom)
34. XX-Large - the killer 2 (Akai /Emu CD Rom)  1000 STRING  PADS  &  
800  DRUM LOOPS  
35. The Ultimate Piano Collection	Vol2	SteinwayC/Fazoli	East*West
37. The Ultimate Piano Collection	Vol3	SteinwayD/Bosendorfer	East*West 
38. Total Zone		Techno Drums & Drum FX	Masterbits
39. Einstein		Dance, Tekno, Ananlog, FX	Music Store
40.Peter Siedlackeks Adv. Orch	Brass & Orch. Effects	Sound & Vision
41.Bass Legends	Vol 1	3 players, basses, grooves	Spectrasonics
42.Bass Legends	Vol 2	3 players, basses, grooves	Spectrasonics
43.Pads		Many synth Pads	XX-Large 
44.X-Static: Goldmine	Vol 3	House loops & Tekno Samples	E-lab
45.Denny Jaeger Strings	Vol 1	Orchestral Strings	OMI
46.Denny Jaeger  Strings	Vol 2	Orchestral Strings	OMI
47.Denny Jaeger  Strings	Vol 3	Orchestral Strings	OMI
48.Symphonic Adventures		Orchestral film loops	Sound Hunters Inc  
49.Jason Miles Psychic Horns	Horns	QUp Arts
50.Jam Box Akai                       1 Überschall
51. Dance Mega Drums (Akai, 1 disc) 
52. Dream Experience (Akai, 1 disc) 
53. Film Collection (Audio, 2 discs)
54. Funky Ass Loops (Akai, 1 disc) 
55.Heart of Africa (Akai, 2 discs) 
56.Heart of Asia (Akai, 3 discs) x
57.Hollywood Edge: Super Single (Akai S3000, 1 disc) 
58. Housemaster (Akai, 1 disc) 
59. Phat & Phunky (Akai, 1 disc + floppy disk) 
60. Ethnic Vol. 1 & 2 (Akai, 1 disc) 
61. Korg Universe (Akai, 1 disc) 
62. Total Zone (Akai, 1 disc) 
63. TRminator (Akai, 1 disc) 
64. Vintage Voltage 2 (Akai, 1 disc) 
65. XX-Large Analogue Dreams (Akai, 1 disc) 
EMU
1. WORLD  INSTRUMENTS  , 
2. EMU  PIANO , 
3. EMU -  XX-LARGE  EXTREME  1750  DRUM  LOOPS ,
4. EMU  PREVIEW  DISK ,
New  additions
5.   Emu Dance 2000 (Emu, 1 disc) x
6.   Emu Vol. 5: World Instruments (Emu, 1 disc) x
7.   Emu Vol. 6: World Percussion (Emu, 1 disc) x
8.   Emu Vol. 7: Classics (Emu, 1 disc) x
9.   Emu Vol. 8: Vintage (Emu, 1 disc) x
10. The Wizard  1 & 2  ,
11. Hollywood Edge 1 , Hollywood Edge 2 ,
12. VFX-4 Emu 1 Northstar USA ,
13. XX-Large - the killer 2 (Akai /Emu CD Rom)  1000 STRING  PADS  &  
800  DRUM LOOPS , 
14. PRODUCER  SERIES  x  2  CDROMS ,
15.  Emu Classics (Emu Vol. 7) 
16. Sound Ideas Vol. 1 (Emu, 1 disc) x
17. Sound Ideas Vol. 2 (Emu, 1 disc) x
18. Sound Ideas Vol. 3 (Emu, 1 disc) x

ASR
 DENNY  JAEGER  ,  BASHIRI  JOHNSON  WORLD/DANCE . XX-LARGE  1500  LOOPS
CDR  1, 2 , 3,  4 , 8, 9.

AUDIO: 
VOICE   SPECTRAL  SAMPLER , 
 BASHIRI  JOHNSON - SUPREME  BEATS  x 2 , ETHNIC  BEATS  x 2.
VINDALOOPS   - ZERO -G
FUNKY  ASS  LOOPS
NEW  WORLD  ORDER
ON  THE  JAZZ  TIP
ANALOG  GROOVES  (  AMBIENT , HARDCORE , TRANCE ,  ACID  )
PETER  SIEDLACZEKS   -  CLASSICAL  CHOIR
DRUMWORKS  -  1  &  2
PROSONUS  DRUM  LOOPS
SAMPLEMANIA   III
DRUMSCAPES
PETER   SIEDLACZEK'S  ORCHESTRAL  COLOURS
RHYTHM  OF  LIFE  -  2   (  DIFFERENT  FROM  THE  CD  -  ROM  VERSION )
LOOPZILLA           2 x  CDS    OF  LOOPS 
LOOPSOUP             2  x  CDS     OF  BEST  DRUM  LOOPS
PHAT  &  PHUNKY    2  x  CDS   OF  DRUM / BASS  LOOPS 
GLOBAL TRANCE   MISSION    1  &  2 -   2 x  CDS OF  AMBIENT  SWELLS ,  
SFX , ---LOOPS.
HEART  OF  AFRICA     VOL 2 
NORMAN  COOK'S  SKIP  TO  MY  LOOPS
MEGABASS  REMIX
LE  SON  DE  LA  TROISIEME  DIMENSION
THE ANALOG  KEYBOARD  BASS
DANCE  SERIES NO. 2
REMIX  2
VINYLYSTICS  1  &  2
LIQUID  GROOVES 
GOTA    YASHIKI
UNPLUGGED   GUITARS
New  additions
Hypnotica
Whole Lotta Country
Hallelujah (By-Best Service )
Cuckooland	Vol 1	Misc. Odd Sounds	Zero G
Abracatabla		Ethnic Percussion	AMG
Jungle Warefare		Ethnic Loops	Time+Space
Distorted Reality		Misc House Samples	???
Datafile 1 (Audio, 1 disc) Datafile 2 (Audio, 1 disc) x
 Datafile 3 (Audio, 1 disc) x
Karma Chopra (Audio, 1 disc) x
Killer Vocals 3 (Audio, 2 discs) x
Megabeats Beats Collection (Audio, 1 disc) 
Methods of Mayhem (Audio, 1 disc) x
Strictly 12" (Audio, 1 disc) x
Strictly House (Audio, 1 disc) x
 XX-Large No Kick (Audio, 1 disc) x, 

KURZWEIL  CDROMS :

 3D Keys, vol 1 (Kurzweil CD Rom)
 Power Tools (Kurzweil CD Rom)
 DISTORTED REALITY REALITY   
 PRO  -  REC 2000  ULTIMATE  CD 
 Pro Rec MEGA SYNTH (Kurzweil CD ROM )
 The World Vol.-1 (Kurzweil CD Rom)

Wave File Collection (Wave File Format)
This is a 3 Volume Set-
VIRTUAL BAND: this includes Reggae & Country Styles
IN FOCUS: This Cd contains House & Gangster Type Styles
DRUM TOOLS: Pop,Rock,Brushed,& Peter Gabrial Type Styles
Phantom Horns (Wave File Format /Audio CD )
Dance Vocals (Creative Essentials 4) PC-wav/audio 1 Time+Space UK
Dream Zone (Creative Essentials 7) PC-wav/Audio   , World FX - best of 
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Tom Metro wrote:

> You're getting a few things confused. It's common practice these
> days that just about all digital audio equipment, including cheap CD
> players (though probably not most PC sound cards) use quite high
> sampling rates for recording and playback. 2, 3, 4 times and higher
> oversampling isn't uncommon. However, this higher data rate occurs
> only between the ADC or DAC and a digital filter chip. The higher
> frequency resolution data doesn't ever get recorded on the media.
> Your DAT still stores 48 K samples per second (per channel).


"Pioneer have launched a high sampling rate DAT recorder: the D9601
records at a jaw-dropping 96KHz, and can also record at 88.2KHz, 48KHz 
and 44.1KHz. The high sampling rates are achieved by doubling both tape
and head drum rotation speed, and results in half the playing time of
your tapes, but also a much extended frequency response - up to 44KHz,
well outside the limits of human hearing. Although frequencies above
20KHz  or so are technically inaudible to human ears, they do have an
effect on the overall sound quality - which is why so much high-end pro
audio equipment works with top limits of 50KHz  or more"

OK, so that was Jan 1996 and the D9601 hasn't exactly set the world on
fire. But that's what I was thinking of. Confused? Pah!

Pete


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"Fred King"

You should know better than to post this bullshit in public.

You are clearly violating every license agreement and copyright law =
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>If  you  are  interested  in  trading  sample  cdroms  Roland / Akai/Emu  
>format . Pls  email  me .
>
>My  list  is  as  follows:
>
>
>cdrom4u@hotmail.com
>
>CD-ROM  LIST
>ROLAND  :                                                                 =
 
>              
>NO.  OF  CD'S
>
>1.  DIGITAL  BOY     -                                                    =
 
>    			                
>2
>2.  FOUNDATIONS    -  CLUB 50                                        		   =
 
>            
>1
>3.  WORLD  INSTRUMENTS  &  PERCUSSION -          		                1
>4.  SYNCLAVIER  PERCUSSION   -                                 			        =
 
>       
>1
>5.  GIGAPACK  - 1                                                   			   =
 
>            
>2
>6.  GIGAPACK -  2                                                         =
 
>                                                     
>2
>7.  STACKWARE                                                     		      =
 
>                         
>1  
>8.  PREVIEW  DISK                         				                            =
 
>   
>1
>9.  ORCHESTRAL  FAMILY   1& 2                       			                2
>10. PROSONUS  STRINGS                                     			             =
   
>1
>11. DENNY  JAEGER   MASTER  VIOLIN            			                1
>12. SONIC  IMAGES                                                         =
 
>                                                  
>1
>13. SUPREME  BEATS  - BASHIRI JOHNSON      				2
>14. GLOBAL  INSTRUMENTS  1 &  2                   				2
>15. DISTORTED  REALITY                                                    =
 
>                                           
>1
>16. BOB  CLEARMOUNTAIN   DRUM  SAMPLES 				1
>17. HEAVY  HITTERS  GREATEST HITS  VOL -1  			                1
>18. RHYTHM  OF  LIFE    vol 2                                             =
 
>                                            
>1  
>19. NOW  CD - ROM   (  BEST  OFF  )		                                     =
 
>          
>1
>20. ROLAND   DRUMSCAPES  LOOPS  &  SOUNDS                                 =
 
>                 
>1  
>21.  STEVE   REID   PERCUSSION  SAMPLER   		                              =
  
>1
>22.  ROLAND   ORCHESTRAL  WOODWINDS   		                                
>1
>23.  DANCE  INDUSTRIAL  -  VOL 1                         		               =
 
>                
>1   
>24.  BURNING  GROOVES                                                     =
 
>                                            
>1           
>25.  SYNCLAVIER  PERCUSSION +  WORLD  , ORCHESTRAL                        =
 
>        
>1
>26.  ROLAND  SAMPLE  ARCHIVES  -  AFRICA  VOL-1 & 2                       =
 
>             
>2
>27.  HEART  OF  ASIA                                                      =
 
>                                                
>2
>28.  ROLAND  PRODUCERS  SFX  LIBRARY                                      =
 
>                         
>1
>29.  THE  VOICE  OF  NATIVE  AMERICA                                      =
 
>                             
>1
>30.  ROLAND  SAMPLE  ARCHIVES -  RHYTHM  SECTION  VOL - 1                 =
 
>   
>1
>31.  BOB  CLEARMOUNTAIN   DRUM  SAMPLES   -  1  &  2                      =
 
>            
>1
>                            NEW  ADDITIONS
>32.  HEART  OF  AFRICA     VOL. 3  ( new )                                =
 
>                                 
>1
>33.  KEYBOARDS OF THE 60'S & 70'S VOL. 1 & 2                              =
 
>                        
>2
>34.  DAVID  RUFFY'S  DRUMS                                                =
 
>                                       
>1
>35.  ORCHESTRAL  PERCUSSION  VOL . 1                                      =
 
>                            
>1
>36.  PETER  SIEDLACZEK'S  ADVANCED  ORCHESTRA                             =
 
>           
>1
>37.  SPECTRASONICS  APPETIZER  DISC                                       =
 
>                            
>1
>38.  HANS  ZIMMER  GUITARS  VOL. 1                                        =
 
>                               
>1
>39.  BASS  LEGENDS  - JOHN  PATITUCI   &  STANLEY  CLARKE                 =
 
>      
>1
>40.  MIROSLAV   VITOUS  -  ADVANCED  STRINGS                              =
 
>                  
>1
>41.  ORCHESTRAL  SYMPHONY -  ROLAND  SAMPLE ARCHIVES                      
>1 
>42.  NYC Drumworks (Roland CD Rom) -                                      =
 
>                                 
>2
>43.  Liquid Grooves (Roland CD Rom)                                       =
 
>                                    
>1
>44.  Miroslav Vitous Woodwinds & Brass (Roland CD Rom)                    =
 
>                
>1       
>
>AKAI   CD  ROMS
>
>2.  LIGHTWARE  1  &  2                                                    =
 
>                                              
>2 
>3.  WILL  LEE  BASS  LIBRARY                            			              
>1
>4.  AKAI  CD  ROM  SHOWCASE                         			              1
>5.  AKAI  CD3000XL  SAMPLER                           			              1
>6.  BRASS  SUPER  SECTION                                  			            =
  
>1
>7.  SUPREME  BEATS  - BASHIRI  JOHNSON                                    =
 
>                        
>1
>    ( AFRICAN  CONTEMPORARY )  VOL -1          					                   
>8.  SYNCLAVIER  STRINGS                                                   =
 
>                                         
>1
>9.  SYNCLAVIER   BRASS  &  WOODWINDS       					                         
>10.TECHNO  TRANCE  - ZERO -G                                              =
 
>                                   
>1
>11. AMBIENT                -  ZERO -G                                     =
 
>                                            
>1
>12. DANCE  +  INDUSTRIAL                                                  =
 
>                                        
>1
>13. BLACK  2  BLACK                                                       =
 
>                                              
>2
>14. PETER  SIEDLACZEKS   ORCHESTRA 8                                      =
 
>                         
>1
>15.XX-LARGE  EXTREME  1750  DRUM  LOOPS                                   =
 
>                    
>1
>                                     NEW  ADDITIONS 
>16.  ZERO -  G   DATA  FILE  (  DRUM  LOOPS ,  TECHNO  FILLS )            =
 
>           
>1
>17.  STEVE  GADD   -  DRUMSCORES                                          =
 
>                                
>1
>18.  ALPHA  DANCE  -BEST  SERVICE                                         =
 
>                               
>1
>19.  ELECTRO  SHOK  VOL .  1 & 2                                          =
 
>                                      
>2    
>20.  EUROTECH                                                             =
 
>                                                    
>1  
>21.  The Ultimate Piano Collection VOL.1 (Akai CD Rom)                    =
 
>                      
>1  
>22.  The Ultimate Piano Collection Vol.3 (Akai CD Rom)                    =
 
>                        
>1     
>23.  The Studio Grand (Akai CD Rom)
>24.  The Drum Doctor (Akai CD Rom)
>25.  Tekno Industrial (Akai CD Rom)
>26.  PERCUSSION WORKS (Akai Format)
>27.  Smoov Grooves (Akai CD Rom)
>28.  WORLD COLORS ( AKAI Format)
>29.  XX-Large Strings (Akai /Emu CD Rom)
>28.  Advanced Orchestra (Akai CD Rom)
>29.  Classical Choirs (Akai)
>    Peter Siedlaczek's Film Score Version
>30.)Volume #3-Woodwinds
>32.)Volume #4-Brass & Effects
>33. XX-Large - the killer (Akai CD Rom)
>34. XX-Large - the killer 2 (Akai /Emu CD Rom)  1000 STRING  PADS  &  
>800  DRUM LOOPS  
>35. The Ultimate Piano Collection	Vol2	SteinwayC/Fazoli	East*West
>37. The Ultimate Piano Collection	Vol3	SteinwayD/Bosendorfer	East*West 
>38. Total Zone		Techno Drums & Drum FX	Masterbits
>39. Einstein		Dance, Tekno, Ananlog, FX	Music Store
>40.Peter Siedlackeks Adv. Orch	Brass & Orch. Effects	Sound & Vision
>41.Bass Legends	Vol 1	3 players, basses, grooves	Spectrasonics
>42.Bass Legends	Vol 2	3 players, basses, grooves	Spectrasonics
>43.Pads		Many synth Pads	XX-Large 
>44.X-Static: Goldmine	Vol 3	House loops & Tekno Samples	E-lab
>45.Denny Jaeger Strings	Vol 1	Orchestral Strings	OMI
>46.Denny Jaeger  Strings	Vol 2	Orchestral Strings	OMI
>47.Denny Jaeger  Strings	Vol 3	Orchestral Strings	OMI
>48.Symphonic Adventures		Orchestral film loops	Sound Hunters Inc  
>49.Jason Miles Psychic Horns	Horns	QUp Arts
>50.Jam Box Akai                       1 =D0berschall
>51. Dance Mega Drums (Akai, 1 disc) 
>52. Dream Experience (Akai, 1 disc) 
>53. Film Collection (Audio, 2 discs)
>54. Funky Ass Loops (Akai, 1 disc) 
>55.Heart of Africa (Akai, 2 discs) 
>56.Heart of Asia (Akai, 3 discs) x
>57.Hollywood Edge: Super Single (Akai S3000, 1 disc) 
>58. Housemaster (Akai, 1 disc) 
>59. Phat & Phunky (Akai, 1 disc + floppy disk) 
>60. Ethnic Vol. 1 & 2 (Akai, 1 disc) 
>61. Korg Universe (Akai, 1 disc) 
>62. Total Zone (Akai, 1 disc) 
>63. TRminator (Akai, 1 disc) 
>64. Vintage Voltage 2 (Akai, 1 disc) 
>65. XX-Large Analogue Dreams (Akai, 1 disc) 
>EMU
>1. WORLD  INSTRUMENTS  , 
>2. EMU  PIANO , 
>3. EMU -  XX-LARGE  EXTREME  1750  DRUM  LOOPS ,
>4. EMU  PREVIEW  DISK ,
>New  additions
>5.   Emu Dance 2000 (Emu, 1 disc) x
>6.   Emu Vol. 5: World Instruments (Emu, 1 disc) x
>7.   Emu Vol. 6: World Percussion (Emu, 1 disc) x
>8.   Emu Vol. 7: Classics (Emu, 1 disc) x
>9.   Emu Vol. 8: Vintage (Emu, 1 disc) x
>10. The Wizard  1 & 2  ,
>11. Hollywood Edge 1 , Hollywood Edge 2 ,
>12. VFX-4 Emu 1 Northstar USA ,
>13. XX-Large - the killer 2 (Akai /Emu CD Rom)  1000 STRING  PADS  &  
>800  DRUM LOOPS , 
>14. PRODUCER  SERIES  x  2  CDROMS ,
>15.  Emu Classics (Emu Vol. 7) 
>16. Sound Ideas Vol. 1 (Emu, 1 disc) x
>17. Sound Ideas Vol. 2 (Emu, 1 disc) x
>18. Sound Ideas Vol. 3 (Emu, 1 disc) x
>
>ASR
> DENNY  JAEGER  ,  BASHIRI  JOHNSON  WORLD/DANCE . XX-LARGE  1500  LOOPS
>CDR  1, 2 , 3,  4 , 8, 9.
>
>AUDIO: 
>VOICE   SPECTRAL  SAMPLER , 
> BASHIRI  JOHNSON - SUPREME  BEATS  x 2 , ETHNIC  BEATS  x 2.
>VINDALOOPS   - ZERO -G
>FUNKY  ASS  LOOPS
>NEW  WORLD  ORDER
>ON  THE  JAZZ  TIP
>ANALOG  GROOVES  (  AMBIENT , HARDCORE , TRANCE ,  ACID  )
>PETER  SIEDLACZEKS   -  CLASSICAL  CHOIR
>DRUMWORKS  -  1  &  2
>PROSONUS  DRUM  LOOPS
>SAMPLEMANIA   III
>DRUMSCAPES
>PETER   SIEDLACZEK'S  ORCHESTRAL  COLOURS
>RHYTHM  OF  LIFE  -  2   (  DIFFERENT  FROM  THE  CD  -  ROM  VERSION )
>LOOPZILLA           2 x  CDS    OF  LOOPS 
>LOOPSOUP             2  x  CDS     OF  BEST  DRUM  LOOPS
>PHAT  &  PHUNKY    2  x  CDS   OF  DRUM / BASS  LOOPS 
>GLOBAL TRANCE   MISSION    1  &  2 -   2 x  CDS OF  AMBIENT  SWELLS ,  
>SFX , ---LOOPS.
>HEART  OF  AFRICA     VOL 2 
>NORMAN  COOK'S  SKIP  TO  MY  LOOPS
>MEGABASS  REMIX
>LE  SON  DE  LA  TROISIEME  DIMENSION
>THE ANALOG  KEYBOARD  BASS
>DANCE  SERIES NO. 2
>REMIX  2
>VINYLYSTICS  1  &  2
>LIQUID  GROOVES 
>GOTA    YASHIKI
>UNPLUGGED   GUITARS
>New  additions
>Hypnotica
>Whole Lotta Country
>Hallelujah (By-Best Service )
>Cuckooland	Vol 1	Misc. Odd Sounds	Zero G
>Abracatabla		Ethnic Percussion	AMG
>Jungle Warefare		Ethnic Loops	Time+Space
>Distorted Reality		Misc House Samples	???
>Datafile 1 (Audio, 1 disc) Datafile 2 (Audio, 1 disc) x
> Datafile 3 (Audio, 1 disc) x
>Karma Chopra (Audio, 1 disc) x
>Killer Vocals 3 (Audio, 2 discs) x
>Megabeats Beats Collection (Audio, 1 disc) 
>Methods of Mayhem (Audio, 1 disc) x
>Strictly 12" (Audio, 1 disc) x
>Strictly House (Audio, 1 disc) x
> XX-Large No Kick (Audio, 1 disc) x, 
>
>KURZWEIL  CDROMS :
>
> 3D Keys, vol 1 (Kurzweil CD Rom)
> Power Tools (Kurzweil CD Rom)
> DISTORTED REALITY REALITY   
> PRO  -  REC 2000  ULTIMATE  CD 
> Pro Rec MEGA SYNTH (Kurzweil CD ROM )
> The World Vol.-1 (Kurzweil CD Rom)
>
>Wave File Collection (Wave File Format)
>This is a 3 Volume Set-
>VIRTUAL BAND: this includes Reggae & Country Styles
>IN FOCUS: This Cd contains House & Gangster Type Styles
>DRUM TOOLS: Pop,Rock,Brushed,& Peter Gabrial Type Styles
>Phantom Horns (Wave File Format /Audio CD )
>Dance Vocals (Creative Essentials 4) PC-wav/audio 1 Time+Space UK
>Dream Zone (Creative Essentials 7) PC-wav/Audio   , World FX - best of 
>(PC-wav, 2 discs) 
>
>
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>that is, when it comes to people 
>making copies of the CDs and selling them...but if I want to trade my 
>copy of "Jaws" for my neighbors copy of "Alien" it shouldn't be anyone's 
>business but my own. Likewise, if I want to trade my copy of a given CD 
>Rom for a friends, it shouldn't be an offense to anyone. 

Well, what if you make a clone of it for yourself before you "trade"...

Thereby stealing the content, yes?

Jeremy Roberts
SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
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New York, NY 10019
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Fred King who proposed trading sample CD-ROMs is not an honest person, I 
once did a trade with him and I'm still waiting for the 9 Cds he still 
owes me...

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>Fred King who proposed trading sample CD-ROMs is not an honest person, I 
>once did a trade with him and I'm still waiting for the 9 Cds he still 
>owes me...

So Roger, if he had sent you the pirated software, he'd be "honest" in 
your book?

:-)

Why are our priorities all f***ed up?

What is the motivation to pirate software?

Are sample CDs too expensive?

What would it take to make piracy less attractive to you?

What if new sampler formats allowed a copy protection bit? And by 
developing with copy protection, the price of the discs would drop in 
half, but only on the protected versions, etc... What do you think about 
that?

I really want to know.

jr

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At 04:50 AM 2/16/98 -0500, Jeremy Roberts wrote:
>What is the motivation to pirate software?
>
>Are sample CDs too expensive?

Y E S !



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At 04:50 AM 2/16/98 -0500, Jeremy Roberts wrote:
>What is the motivation to pirate software?
>
>Are sample CDs too expensive?


Yes they are!!!
Small businesses? Don't care!
What a bull shit! I'm not buying for that an abstract folk could eat, I
buying to get sounds!
And most of the time THE FUCKING SOUNDS ARE TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE !!!

...thanks for the attention.


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Jeremy,

Here's a classic case to send to the SPA and have this guy thrown in jail -
he obviously has almost every Sample CD ever released and is a MAJOR
problem. The last guy we nailed is still serving time - let's do the same
to this guy and anyone else in his group.

We'll imediately start finding out his true identity from his ISP and we'll
send all the information to the SPA to prosecute him - doesn't this fool
know he can do 5 years for this type of piracy?

I've cc'd him so he knows what to expect.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Best Regards
Doug Rogers
EASTWEST

On February 16 you wrote:

>"Fred King"
>
>You should know better than to post this bullshit in public.
>
>You are clearly violating every license agreement and copyright law for
>every one of these products.
>
>Sample libraries are made by a relatively few individuals and are
>typically very small companies who depend on every sale to make ends meet
>and pay their staff.
>
>By pirating, you are stealing from these people, most likely putting a guy
>out of a job, and you're jeapordizing further development of quality
>soundware.
>
>PLEASE debate me on this... if you feel it's your right to pirate, please
>tell me why?
>
>Do you understand the ramifications of your actions?
>
>Do you understand that we might knock on your door with a federal marshall
>and haul your ass to jail?
>
>It's already happened to one fool in New York City...
>
>PLEASE debate me in public on this, and while you're at it, why not use a
>"real" e-mail and stop hiding behind an alias.
>
>Jeremy Roberts
>SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
>1600 Broadway, Suite 704
>New York, NY 10019
>tel: 212-262-3488
>fax: 212-262-2009
>jeremy@sampleheads.com
>http://www.sampleheads.com
>
>
>
>>If  you  are  interested  in  trading  sample  cdroms  Roland / Akai/Emu
>>format . Pls  email  me .
>>
>>My  list  is  as  follows:
>>
>>
>>cdrom4u@hotmail.com
>>
>>CD-ROM  LIST
>>ROLAND  :
>>
>>NO.  OF  CD'S
>>
>>1.  DIGITAL  BOY     -
>>
>>2
>>2.  FOUNDATIONS    -  CLUB 50
>>
>>
>>1
>>3.  WORLD  INSTRUMENTS  &  PERCUSSION -
>>1
>>4.  SYNCLAVIER  PERCUSSION   -
>>
>>
>>1
>>5.  GIGAPACK  - 1
>>
>>
>>2
>>6.  GIGAPACK -  2
>>
>>2
>>7.  STACKWARE
>>
>>
>>1
>>8.  PREVIEW  DISK
>>
>>
>>1
>>9.  ORCHESTRAL  FAMILY   1& 2
>>2
>>10. PROSONUS  STRINGS
>>
>>1
>>11. DENNY  JAEGER   MASTER  VIOLIN
>>1
>>12. SONIC  IMAGES
>>
>>1
>>13. SUPREME  BEATS  - BASHIRI JOHNSON      				2
>>14. GLOBAL  INSTRUMENTS  1 &  2
>>	2
>>15. DISTORTED  REALITY
>>
>>1
>>16. BOB  CLEARMOUNTAIN   DRUM  SAMPLES 				1
>>17. HEAVY  HITTERS  GREATEST HITS  VOL -1
>>1
>>18. RHYTHM  OF  LIFE    vol 2
>>
>>1
>>19. NOW  CD - ROM   (  BEST  OFF  )
>>
>>
>>1
>>20. ROLAND   DRUMSCAPES  LOOPS  &  SOUNDS
>>
>>1
>>21.  STEVE   REID   PERCUSSION  SAMPLER
>>
>>1
>>22.  ROLAND   ORCHESTRAL  WOODWINDS
>>
>>1
>>23.  DANCE  INDUSTRIAL  -  VOL 1
>>
>>
>>1
>>24.  BURNING  GROOVES
>>
>>1
>>25.  SYNCLAVIER  PERCUSSION +  WORLD  , ORCHESTRAL
>>
>>1
>>26.  ROLAND  SAMPLE  ARCHIVES  -  AFRICA  VOL-1 & 2
>>
>>2
>>27.  HEART  OF  ASIA
>>
>>2
>>28.  ROLAND  PRODUCERS  SFX  LIBRARY
>>
>>1
>>29.  THE  VOICE  OF  NATIVE  AMERICA
>>
>>1
>>30.  ROLAND  SAMPLE  ARCHIVES -  RHYTHM  SECTION  VOL - 1
>>
>>1
>>31.  BOB  CLEARMOUNTAIN   DRUM  SAMPLES   -  1  &  2
>>
>>1
>>                            NEW  ADDITIONS
>>32.  HEART  OF  AFRICA     VOL. 3  ( new )
>>
>>1
>>33.  KEYBOARDS OF THE 60'S & 70'S VOL. 1 & 2
>>
>>2
>>34.  DAVID  RUFFY'S  DRUMS
>>
>>1
>>35.  ORCHESTRAL  PERCUSSION  VOL . 1
>>
>>1
>>36.  PETER  SIEDLACZEK'S  ADVANCED  ORCHESTRA
>>
>>1
>>37.  SPECTRASONICS  APPETIZER  DISC
>>
>>1
>>38.  HANS  ZIMMER  GUITARS  VOL. 1
>>
>>1
>>39.  BASS  LEGENDS  - JOHN  PATITUCI   &  STANLEY  CLARKE
>>
>>1
>>40.  MIROSLAV   VITOUS  -  ADVANCED  STRINGS
>>
>>1
>>41.  ORCHESTRAL  SYMPHONY -  ROLAND  SAMPLE ARCHIVES
>>1
>>42.  NYC Drumworks (Roland CD Rom) -
>>
>>2
>>43.  Liquid Grooves (Roland CD Rom)
>>
>>1
>>44.  Miroslav Vitous Woodwinds & Brass (Roland CD Rom)
>>
>>1
>>
>>AKAI   CD  ROMS
>>
>>2.  LIGHTWARE  1  &  2
>>
>>2
>>3.  WILL  LEE  BASS  LIBRARY
>>
>>1
>>4.  AKAI  CD  ROM  SHOWCASE
>>1
>>5.  AKAI  CD3000XL  SAMPLER
>>	              1
>>6.  BRASS  SUPER  SECTION
>>
>>1
>>7.  SUPREME  BEATS  - BASHIRI  JOHNSON
>>
>>1
>>    ( AFRICAN  CONTEMPORARY )  VOL -1
>>
>>8.  SYNCLAVIER  STRINGS
>>
>>1
>>9.  SYNCLAVIER   BRASS  &  WOODWINDS
>>
>>10.TECHNO  TRANCE  - ZERO -G
>>
>>1
>>11. AMBIENT                -  ZERO -G
>>
>>1
>>12. DANCE  +  INDUSTRIAL
>>
>>1
>>13. BLACK  2  BLACK
>>
>>2
>>14. PETER  SIEDLACZEKS   ORCHESTRA 8
>>
>>1
>>15.XX-LARGE  EXTREME  1750  DRUM  LOOPS
>>
>>1
>>                                     NEW  ADDITIONS
>>16.  ZERO -  G   DATA  FILE  (  DRUM  LOOPS ,  TECHNO  FILLS )
>>
>>1
>>17.  STEVE  GADD   -  DRUMSCORES
>>
>>1
>>18.  ALPHA  DANCE  -BEST  SERVICE
>>
>>1
>>19.  ELECTRO  SHOK  VOL .  1 & 2
>>
>>2
>>20.  EUROTECH
>>
>>1
>>21.  The Ultimate Piano Collection VOL.1 (Akai CD Rom)
>>
>>1
>>22.  The Ultimate Piano Collection Vol.3 (Akai CD Rom)
>>
>>1
>>23.  The Studio Grand (Akai CD Rom)
>>24.  The Drum Doctor (Akai CD Rom)
>>25.  Tekno Industrial (Akai CD Rom)
>>26.  PERCUSSION WORKS (Akai Format)
>>27.  Smoov Grooves (Akai CD Rom)
>>28.  WORLD COLORS ( AKAI Format)
>>29.  XX-Large Strings (Akai /Emu CD Rom)
>>28.  Advanced Orchestra (Akai CD Rom)
>>29.  Classical Choirs (Akai)
>>    Peter Siedlaczek's Film Score Version
>>30.)Volume #3-Woodwinds
>>32.)Volume #4-Brass & Effects
>>33. XX-Large - the killer (Akai CD Rom)
>>34. XX-Large - the killer 2 (Akai /Emu CD Rom)  1000 STRING  PADS  &
>>800  DRUM LOOPS
>>35. The Ultimate Piano Collection	Vol2	SteinwayC/Fazoli
>>	East*West
>>37. The Ultimate Piano Collection	Vol3	SteinwayD/Bosendorfer
>>	East*West
>>38. Total Zone		Techno Drums & Drum FX	Masterbits
>>39. Einstein		Dance, Tekno, Ananlog, FX	Music Store
>>40.Peter Siedlackeks Adv. Orch	Brass & Orch. Effects	Sound & Vision
>>41.Bass Legends	Vol 1	3 players, basses, grooves	Spectrasonics
>>42.Bass Legends	Vol 2	3 players, basses, grooves	Spectrasonics
>>43.Pads		Many synth Pads	XX-Large
>>44.X-Static: Goldmine	Vol 3	House loops & Tekno Samples	E-lab
>>45.Denny Jaeger Strings	Vol 1	Orchestral Strings	OMI
>>46.Denny Jaeger  Strings	Vol 2	Orchestral Strings	OMI
>>47.Denny Jaeger  Strings	Vol 3	Orchestral Strings	OMI
>>48.Symphonic Adventures		Orchestral film loops	Sound
>>Hunters Inc
>>49.Jason Miles Psychic Horns	Horns	QUp Arts
>>50.Jam Box Akai                       1 =D0berschall
>>51. Dance Mega Drums (Akai, 1 disc)
>>52. Dream Experience (Akai, 1 disc)
>>53. Film Collection (Audio, 2 discs)
>>54. Funky Ass Loops (Akai, 1 disc)
>>55.Heart of Africa (Akai, 2 discs)
>>56.Heart of Asia (Akai, 3 discs) x
>>57.Hollywood Edge: Super Single (Akai S3000, 1 disc)
>>58. Housemaster (Akai, 1 disc)
>>59. Phat & Phunky (Akai, 1 disc + floppy disk)
>>60. Ethnic Vol. 1 & 2 (Akai, 1 disc)
>>61. Korg Universe (Akai, 1 disc)
>>62. Total Zone (Akai, 1 disc)
>>63. TRminator (Akai, 1 disc)
>>64. Vintage Voltage 2 (Akai, 1 disc)
>>65. XX-Large Analogue Dreams (Akai, 1 disc)
>>EMU
>>1. WORLD  INSTRUMENTS  ,
>>2. EMU  PIANO ,
>>3. EMU -  XX-LARGE  EXTREME  1750  DRUM  LOOPS ,
>>4. EMU  PREVIEW  DISK ,
>>New  additions
>>5.   Emu Dance 2000 (Emu, 1 disc) x
>>6.   Emu Vol. 5: World Instruments (Emu, 1 disc) x
>>7.   Emu Vol. 6: World Percussion (Emu, 1 disc) x
>>8.   Emu Vol. 7: Classics (Emu, 1 disc) x
>>9.   Emu Vol. 8: Vintage (Emu, 1 disc) x
>>10. The Wizard  1 & 2  ,
>>11. Hollywood Edge 1 , Hollywood Edge 2 ,
>>12. VFX-4 Emu 1 Northstar USA ,
>>13. XX-Large - the killer 2 (Akai /Emu CD Rom)  1000 STRING  PADS  &
>>800  DRUM LOOPS ,
>>14. PRODUCER  SERIES  x  2  CDROMS ,
>>15.  Emu Classics (Emu Vol. 7)
>>16. Sound Ideas Vol. 1 (Emu, 1 disc) x
>>17. Sound Ideas Vol. 2 (Emu, 1 disc) x
>>18. Sound Ideas Vol. 3 (Emu, 1 disc) x
>>
>>ASR
>> DENNY  JAEGER  ,  BASHIRI  JOHNSON  WORLD/DANCE . XX-LARGE  1500  LOOPS
>>CDR  1, 2 , 3,  4 , 8, 9.
>>
>>AUDIO:
>>VOICE   SPECTRAL  SAMPLER ,
>> BASHIRI  JOHNSON - SUPREME  BEATS  x 2 , ETHNIC  BEATS  x 2.
>>VINDALOOPS   - ZERO -G
>>FUNKY  ASS  LOOPS
>>NEW  WORLD  ORDER
>>ON  THE  JAZZ  TIP
>>ANALOG  GROOVES  (  AMBIENT , HARDCORE , TRANCE ,  ACID  )
>>PETER  SIEDLACZEKS   -  CLASSICAL  CHOIR
>>DRUMWORKS  -  1  &  2
>>PROSONUS  DRUM  LOOPS
>>SAMPLEMANIA   III
>>DRUMSCAPES
>>PETER   SIEDLACZEK'S  ORCHESTRAL  COLOURS
>>RHYTHM  OF  LIFE  -  2   (  DIFFERENT  FROM  THE  CD  -  ROM  VERSION )
>>LOOPZILLA           2 x  CDS    OF  LOOPS
>>LOOPSOUP             2  x  CDS     OF  BEST  DRUM  LOOPS
>>PHAT  &  PHUNKY    2  x  CDS   OF  DRUM / BASS  LOOPS
>>GLOBAL TRANCE   MISSION    1  &  2 -   2 x  CDS OF  AMBIENT  SWELLS ,
>>SFX , ---LOOPS.
>>HEART  OF  AFRICA     VOL 2
>>NORMAN  COOK'S  SKIP  TO  MY  LOOPS
>>MEGABASS  REMIX
>>LE  SON  DE  LA  TROISIEME  DIMENSION
>>THE ANALOG  KEYBOARD  BASS
>>DANCE  SERIES NO. 2
>>REMIX  2
>>VINYLYSTICS  1  &  2
>>LIQUID  GROOVES
>>GOTA    YASHIKI
>>UNPLUGGED   GUITARS
>>New  additions
>>Hypnotica
>>Whole Lotta Country
>>Hallelujah (By-Best Service )
>>Cuckooland	Vol 1	Misc. Odd Sounds	Zero G
>>Abracatabla		Ethnic Percussion	AMG
>>Jungle Warefare		Ethnic Loops	Time+Space
>>Distorted Reality		Misc House Samples	???
>>Datafile 1 (Audio, 1 disc) Datafile 2 (Audio, 1 disc) x
>> Datafile 3 (Audio, 1 disc) x
>>Karma Chopra (Audio, 1 disc) x
>>Killer Vocals 3 (Audio, 2 discs) x
>>Megabeats Beats Collection (Audio, 1 disc)
>>Methods of Mayhem (Audio, 1 disc) x
>>Strictly 12" (Audio, 1 disc) x
>>Strictly House (Audio, 1 disc) x
>> XX-Large No Kick (Audio, 1 disc) x,
>>
>>KURZWEIL  CDROMS :
>>
>> 3D Keys, vol 1 (Kurzweil CD Rom)
>> Power Tools (Kurzweil CD Rom)
>> DISTORTED REALITY REALITY
>> PRO  -  REC 2000  ULTIMATE  CD
>> Pro Rec MEGA SYNTH (Kurzweil CD ROM )
>> The World Vol.-1 (Kurzweil CD Rom)
>>
>>Wave File Collection (Wave File Format)
>>This is a 3 Volume Set-
>>VIRTUAL BAND: this includes Reggae & Country Styles
>>IN FOCUS: This Cd contains House & Gangster Type Styles
>>DRUM TOOLS: Pop,Rock,Brushed,& Peter Gabrial Type Styles
>>Phantom Horns (Wave File Format /Audio CD )
>>Dance Vocals (Creative Essentials 4) PC-wav/audio 1 Time+Space UK
>>Dream Zone (Creative Essentials 7) PC-wav/Audio   , World FX - best of
>>(PC-wav, 2 discs)
>>
>>
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From: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>
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> So for the mastering of CD they used the 3/4" U-Matic video
>machines

It gets  better...

The engineer at Sony used a BLACK & WHITE video deck... referencing 60 
hz...

Anyone wanna do the math for 44.056? :-)

Who'dda thunk.

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From: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>
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>>What is the motivation to pirate software?
>>
>>Are sample CDs too expensive?
>
>Y E S !

OK, at what price are they reasonable to you?

What investment should developers make? Let's do the math... should we 
not hire world class musicians like Peter Erskine? Should we not hire 
world class engineers and studios? Should we not have color packaging.

Tell me, how many copies of a roland cd-rom do you think we or anyone 
else sells? 10,000? 5,000? 1,000? 500? 250? 50? 5?

Take a wild guess?

Do you understand the retail channel? Do you think music store employees 
should get paid? Should stores even exist? Should my landlord get rent on 
my studio/office space? Should my employees get paid? Should my CD plant 
get paid? 

DO THE MATH

Then get back to me.

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From: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>
Subject: Re: sgroup CD-ROMs too expensive?
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>>Are sample CDs too expensive?
>
>Y E S !

BTW,

Sampleheads lowered all cd-rom prices last year:

All single cd-roms are $149.95
All 2-cd-rom sets are $249.95

If your time is worth more than 50 cents/hr., you'd be a fool not to buy 
the cd-rom version at these prices.

What price would be the price you value a cd-rom at? (and if you say 
"free" you will simply be showing everyone on the list that you're a 
moron).

jr

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From: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>
Subject: Re: sgroup SAMPLE  CDROMS  EXCHANGE
To: Doug Rogers <doug@eastwestsounds.com>
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>We'll imediately start finding out his true identity from his ISP and we'll
>send all the information to the SPA to prosecute him - doesn't this fool
>know he can do 5 years for this type of piracy?
>
>I've cc'd him so he knows what to expect.

I sent e-mail to his ISP (hotmail) and they advised me that they will be 
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From: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>
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>Yes they are!!!
>Small businesses? Don't care!
>What a bull shit! I'm not buying for that an abstract folk could eat, I
>buying to get sounds!
>And most of the time THE FUCKING SOUNDS ARE TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE !!!

OK, what's it worth to you?

And are you willing to accept a lower quality for the lower price?

What kind of car do you drive?

jr

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Maybe, just maybe, if you had any, ANY, talent, you wouldnt need that much
sound
to get productive

>And most of the time THE FUCKING SOUNDS ARE TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE !!!
>
>...thanks for the attention.
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>Tell me, how many copies of a roland cd-rom do you think we or anyone
>else sells? 10,000? 5,000? 1,000? 500? 250? 50? 5?
>

First off, let me state my views on the subject. I really think the
original poster had a nerve to come an explicitly try to do illegal
activity on this group.  I for one buy all my cd-roms.Because: 1) Here in
Jamaica with a roland sampler I ain't got nobody to trade anything with. 2)
I ain't setting myself up to be sued when my million seller record comes
out or a cd-rom producer recognises his sample on my movie soundtrack. 3)
And most importantly the cd-roms that I own, I buy after long conversations
with usually the producer/manufacturer of the cd-rom, by which time I feel
I would almost be cheating a "friend" out of  his business. And I think I
usually have built up some kind of 'relationiship' where I can e-mail them
and bug them about bad loop points, future products etc, and get discounts
too. In my particular case, most of the cd-roms that I own are from
spectrasonics and Eric Persing has always been very helpful to me re: a lot
of other keyboard and production tricks not only relating to their
products. This alone is worth the price of paying for a cd-rom legally.


To exchange with a friend when no one else knows is illegal and wrong but
to go the step further and advertise that you are doing it in a group,
which worse of all is known to have cd-rom producers, has a certain je ne
sais quoi that defies logic to me.

Anyway after all of that :-), what I really am curious about, is number of
sales of cd-roms. I am curious for instance, since Jeremy is around what is
the biggest seller of sampleheads cd-rom's that exist and how many has it
sold say in Roland format.
I remember reading a few places that usually that it is usually a labour of
love on the part of cd-rom producers since they scarely make money from it.

just curious,
richard sven

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---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date:        2/16/98 9:37 PM
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>
>So Roger, if he had sent you the pirated software, he'd be "honest" in 
>your book?
>
>:-)
>
>Why are our priorities all f***ed up?
>
>What is the motivation to pirate software?
>
>Are sample CDs too expensive?
>
>What would it take to make piracy less attractive to you?
>
>What if new sampler formats allowed a copy protection bit? And by 
>developing with copy protection, the price of the discs would drop in 
>half, but only on the protected versions, etc... What do you think 
about 
>that?
>
>I really want to know.
>


DEAR  JEREMY,

FIRSTLY  ,  I HAVE  NO  CLUE  WHO THIS ROGER  GUY IS AND  HAVE  NEVER  
EVER  STIFFED  ANYONE ON  A  TRADE !

I  think  its  someone  you've  made up or a figment  of  Samplehead's 
imagination  in order  to  deter  people  from trading .

Well  jeremy  i  agree  its  illegal  but  from  where  i  stay  in Asia 
,  firstly  even  if  I  had  a 100,000 $  to  buy  cdroms  they  are  
not  available , also  what for  what  they  cost  in  our  currency  a  
family  of  4  could  eat   2  entire  months  for the cost  one  sample  
cdrom!

So  unless  you guys  frasticaLLy  lower  your  prices to  affordable  
levels for  us  third world  musicians   and  see that  your product  is  
freely  available ,  our  only  option is  trading !!

piracy  is  when  you  sell  the  softwatre  and  I  am  not  selling  
it !!!

regards -  fred

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>DEAR  JEREMY,
>
>FIRSTLY  ,  I HAVE  NO  CLUE  WHO THIS ROGER  GUY IS AND  HAVE  NEVER  
>EVER  STIFFED  ANYONE ON  A  TRADE !

Except the copyright holder.

>I  think  its  someone  you've  made up or a figment  of  Samplehead's 
>imagination  in order  to  deter  people  from trading .

Uh, yeah, sure... like I don't have better things to do?

Please be assured that SAMPLEHEADS, INC. would never do such a thing. We 
are leaders in the soundware industry and simply want to make good discs 
and sell them honestly.

I have been on-line for 14 years. I'm known throughout the music 
industry... I ALWAYS use my real name and e-mail address since I have 
nothing to hide. Why don't you use a real e-mail?

>Well  jeremy  i  agree  its  illegal

SO WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DOING THIS? DO YOU REALIZE YOU'RE HURTING PEOPLE?

>but  from  where  i  stay  in Asia 
>,  firstly  even  if  I  had  a 100,000 $  to  buy  cdroms  they  are  
>not  available , also  what for  what  they  cost  in  our  currency  a  
>family  of  4  could  eat   2  entire  months  for the cost  one  sample  
>cdrom!

Do you steal cars? Do you rob banks? Your argument just doesn't make it.

>So  unless  you guys  frasticaLLy  lower  your  prices to  affordable  
>levels for  us  third world  musicians   and  see that  your product  is  
>freely  available ,  our  only  option is  trading !

My option is to go out of business and blame jerks like you. No more 
Peter Erskine. No More Pocket Syndrome. Would that please you? Could you 
live with that? How about if future soundware products were copy 
protected (very likely to happen

>piracy  is  when  you  sell  the  softwatre  and  I  am  not  selling  
>it !!!

What???? I don't understand. The license agreement specifically says you 
can't copy, loan, trade, or any number of acts that you've admitted to.

It's too bad you're not in NYC because I'd invite you to our offices to 
meet the guys who program these discs. To meet the guys who will lose 
their jobs if guys like you continue.

Don't you get it? We're all musicians here. If you made your living as a 
professional you'd understand. Do you want people stealing your work?

If you could steal music hardware, would you? But stealing software is ok?

I'd like to call you and discuss this. Please e-mail your telephone 
number so I can have a reasonable conversation with you.

Thank you,

Jeremy Roberts
SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
1600 Broadway, Suite 704
New York, NY 10019
tel: 212-262-3488
fax: 212-262-2009
jeremy@sampleheads.com
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Farhad K. Wadia <power@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in> is our pirate.

He was foolish enough to post to rec.music.marketplace.

He's deadmeat.

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From: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>
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>I remember reading a few places that usually that it is usually a labour of
>love on the part of cd-rom producers since they scarely make money from it

FYI, We made the Roland version of Whole Lotta Country for ourselves 
because we are Roland sampler snobs. The Akai version has recouped... but 
I persoanlly don't care for the akai OS, nor do I wish to use it for my 
music. We do not anticipate breaking even on the Roland version, nor is 
it a big concern... I'm not crying here, ok?

To get our product distributed worldwide means we are simply a 
manufacturer... selling at wholesale prices to the distributors, who sell 
to the dealers... so by the time we see anything, we have to sell MANY, 
MANY discs... to hire the best programmers in the biz (many of you know 
may recognize the name Glen Darcey, our lead Roland programmer, who's 
responsible for MANY of the outstanding Roland discs on the market) 
doesn't come free.

What irritates me the most about this issue is the guys that do it in 
front of your face.

OK, we were at the NAMM show a few weeks ago, and a well known LA studio 
musician is telling me how amazing he thought our discs were... "Thanks! 
Where did you buy them?" - "oh, xxxxx xxxxx gave them to me..." (xxxxx 
xxxxx is also a very well known session guy). All I could do was smile... 
since neither guy realized what they'd done... I guilted him into buying 
one of everything right there and then (and he could afford it, no prob). 
The moral: if you accept it, you're guilty. If you clone it, you're 
guilty. BUT DON'T BE A FOOL and ADVERTISE it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

jr


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Folks,

I've been quietly watching the Saga unfold here, daily.  Poor Fred just
doesn't seem to possess too much common sense, and so I pity him, but this
following inconsistency is just too tasty to refuse:

>but  from  where  i  stay  in Asia 
>,  firstly  even  if  I  had  a 100,000 $  to  buy  cdroms  they  are  
>not  available , also  what for  what  they  cost  in  our  currency  a  
>family  of  4  could  eat   2  entire  months  for the cost  one  sample  
>cdrom!

Ummm, so a $149 dollar CD (here) could feed a family for 2 months.  How do
you afford the sampler?  Starve for a year?  Come on, Fred, please expect
more from us?

And, make your own sounds (and then try to sell them - heh).

Thanks,
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Jeremy, the list-serv, and the rest of the sample cd industry,

    I can and do understand the price of sample CD-Roms. I realize, in a
limited degree, of what is involved in making one of these.  But the
biggest problem(s) I have sample CD's is that there are very few
'usable' samples for me.  I know others are happy w/ sample cdroms, but
they don't find all of the disc usable.  For me, it's frustrating not
being able to listen to the whole CD before I purchase.  Where I live,
no one has those 'cd juke boxes' that are advertised in magazines such
as 'Keyboard' and 'Electronic Musician'.  I have to relay on so-called
reviews in said magazines.  I have yet to buy a sample CD and be even
50% happy with it.  I always feel burnt.  What can I do about it?
Nothing.  It would be REALLY nice to offer some sort of 'listen before
you buy' type of situation on the internet.  What would be even better
would be the ability to pick which samples to buy and build your own
sample CD of 100% usable samples.

    The technology is there, at least in audio sample cds.  You can do
little .aiff / .wav / .ra / mpeg 3 / lo-fi demo files.  Download the
high qual. stuff w/ something like a secure web site password, or Liquid
Audio (this is what some places are doing to buy commercial singles off
the web).  I'm aware of what East-West has started, but I feel it could
use some improvements (ask me and I'll privately email you)

    With cd-roms, maybe have a download file that contains an .aiff file
that has loop points, key range, root key and sampler programming
parameters in some sort of SoundDiver file (I know this would work w/
K2k/K2.5k and EOS systems, don't know about Akai or Roland systems,
maybe a patch sheet PDF file???).

    I don't mean this as a flame towards you Jeremy, nor a flame towards
the industry.  I feel the industry has come a long way since I started
playing with my first synth in the late 80's (remember the Roland
D-110?).  I just feel there is room for improvement.

To the rest of the group who is still reading...

    Now, all this bitching and moaning has been at least some what
beneficial (imho), it's forced me to make my own samples and loops.
Anybody interested in exchanging samples that are original and NOT
pirated from someone else's hard work?  I've started a web page of
'home-brewed' samples.  What I would like it to turn into is a 'place'
where inspiring sound designers/muscians can exchange ideas/techniques
on how to create 'pro'-level samples.  It would also be used as a place
to exchange samples, in a 'share-ware' approach.  Use a sample, great.
Use a sample in a piece, pay me what you think it's worth.  That type of
thing.  Tired of paying $100+ for a sample cd?  Do something about it!
Make your own!

    Maybe some of you 'pros' could share some of your secrets with us!


Thanks for the bandwidth,

Mike G.

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Jeremy Roberts wrote:

> >>Are sample CDs too expensive?
> >
> >Y E S !
>
> BTW,
>
> Sampleheads lowered all cd-rom prices last year:
>
> All single cd-roms are $149.95
> All 2-cd-rom sets are $249.95
>
> If your time is worth more than 50 cents/hr., you'd be a fool not to
> buy
> the cd-rom version at these prices.
>
> What price would be the price you value a cd-rom at? (and if you say
> "free" you will simply be showing everyone on the list that you're a
> moron).
>
> jr
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> Tired of paying $100+ for a sample cd?  Do something about it!
>Make your own!
>
>    Maybe some of you 'pros' could share some of your secrets with us!

Hi Mike,

I agree with most everything you're saying!

Sampleheads is simply the outgrowth of a sampling session gone mad/over 
the top :-)

We were at Will Lee's place trying to make the "perfect" electric bass 
sample set... and it turned into a $45,000 series of sessions (that 
luckily, we could afford), so we thought... "hey, let's package it and 
try to recoup our investment"... and 39 disc later, here we are! :-)

As for not being satisfied with libraries.... we have a fairly liberal 
policy... if it aint what we represented it to be, then we'll back it 
up.... and make good... but if anyone tries to pull one on us, we know....

We publish track listings on our web site. 
We have audio demos on our web site.
We're trying to remain a leader in the industry with free demo discs, 
etc...

Have you tried our stuff?

I'm not trying to make a sale or a pitch here... I'm simply trying to 
make a point... our industry has some exceptional product. Everything in 
Eric Persing's catalog (Spectrasonics) is outstanding. I'll say the same 
thing for ours, if I may (shameless plug). Not all of it is up to this 
level... And I know that our licensing agreement is the loosest in the 
industry (we don't ask for credit. We don't require any use fees or 
permission. If you buy it, it's yours to use to make music. Period.) And 
it may not be what you're looking for....

If that's the case, then your concept to "roll your own" is by far the 
best alternative. 

Have fun!

jr 

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A very strong argument on both your parts. Although I think your both over
exaggerating to make a point. I'm not familiar with international copyright
law but i think i'm safe in saying there are bigger "pirates" out there you
should consider condeming.
Yes, there is the potential for lost income, but you could recouperate with
the free advertisement you get using this site.
Sorry if i'm missing some of the facts behind this "debate", but I think the
idea of calling one another is a better approach than advertising your
differences for all us to see.
 Maybe you two can talk about the costs of purchasing/pirating in comparison
to each of your incomes?
  End the end it's all about music
                 

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>Yes, there is the potential for lost income, but you could recouperate with
>the free advertisement you get using this site

As the long-time subscribers to sgroup know, I was a subscriber LONG 
before sampleheads.

I don't do the shameless plugs.

I contribute to the group as a user, not a sound developer.

4-6 times a year, we send  a 1 or 2 page e-mail to the list announcing 
new Roland products - that's the TOTAL degree of commercialism from us 
here... and we asked permission from the list members before we did it 
the first time, and most everyone said, "yeah, no prob, just keep it to a 
minimum and short and sweet..."   Haven't we?

I'm always there with answers when I can... remember, I own (24) S-760's! 
I use them as much as anyone...

The sgroup has been a valuable resource to discuss technique and I read 
everything... hey, you don't see me posting every day, do you?

I'm in the fire because I was offended that Farhad K. Wadia had the 
chutzpah to post in public. Look, we know that many people are 
pirating... there's little any of us can do about it except educate.... 
BUT - to do it IN MY FACE is an insult of the greatest magnitude. 
Terrible nettiquite, you agree? Hey, we're not like Disney (going after a 
nursery school for painting a Mickey Mouse image on its outside wall) or 
McDonalds (attempted to sue a restaurant in Scotland called "McDonalds - 
a family business for 300 years) - we're just a small company with 4 
employees trying to do our best.

Maybe the Clinton policy, "don't ask, don't tell", is most appropriate 
here... 

Don't debate the right or wrong of it... just don't talk about it and 
maybe the so-called problem will go away???

Best regards,

jr





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Someone asked me about our license agreement. Here is the text...

>(P) & (C) copyright 1998 SAMPLEHEADS, Inc. All rights reserved. The sounds 
>on this disc are licensed to the original purchaser of this disc for use 
>in music production only. Copying, loaning, duplicating, selling, 
>electronically transmitting, renting or other uses of these sounds not 
>specifically for the purpose of music production is prohibited by law. 
>Please respect our work just as we respect yours.

This is clearly on the outside of the packaging, visible before the 
shrinkwrap is opened.

This is a fairly liberal license for the software industry. Have you ever 
read a Microsoft license agreement? :-) This is kids stuff in comparison.

The reality is, in the case of a one-for-one trade, or even a private 
sale, we may look the other way (how are we to know?), but ALL copies of 
the sounds must be removed from all media. NO backups, no "my favorite 
bass sound" stored on a zip... and this reality will never happen, so we 
have to take the hard-line position. It's just not licensed. The 
liklihood of a user not keeping a few banks around is slim to none.

Our license is tame compared to other Sound Developers. Ask them....

:-)

jr

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Fred King: please do not use being in Asia or 'the third world' as an
excuse. As an Asian musician I do not agree that currency or
unavailability are excuses for breaking the law. I find sample CD's
expensive, so I simply don't buy them. They're not a necessity or a
right, they're a luxury. If you can afford so many CD's, you don't
appear to have a problem with the cost.

> 
> DEAR  JEREMY,
> 
> FIRSTLY  ,  I HAVE  NO  CLUE  WHO THIS ROGER  GUY IS AND  HAVE  NEVER
> EVER  STIFFED  ANYONE ON  A  TRADE !
> 
> I  think  its  someone  you've  made up or a figment  of  Samplehead's
> imagination  in order  to  deter  people  from trading .
> 
> Well  jeremy  i  agree  its  illegal  but  from  where  i  stay  in Asia
> ,  firstly  even  if  I  had  a 100,000 $  to  buy  cdroms  they  are
> not  available , also  what for  what  they  cost  in  our  currency  a
> family  of  4  could  eat   2  entire  months  for the cost  one  sample
> cdrom!
> 
> So  unless  you guys  frasticaLLy  lower  your  prices to  affordable
> levels for  us  third world  musicians   and  see that  your product  is
> freely  available ,  our  only  option is  trading !!
> 
> piracy  is  when  you  sell  the  softwatre  and  I  am  not  selling
> it !!!
> 
> regards -  fred
> 
> ______________________________________________________

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Just a little question,

>> So  unless  you guys  frasticaLLy  lower  your  prices to  affordable
>> levels for  us  third world  musicians   and  see that  your product  is

Do samplers grow in the wild over there ? You obviously have one, otherwise
you wouldnt
need the CD's. Or did you get one from some kinda charitable institute ?
If you were playing bongo's you wouldnt need CD's right ?


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Hi Michael,

You must have heard about these guys:

http://www.eastwestsounds.com

They have what you are talking about.

dave

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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Jeremy Roberts wrote:

> >We'll imediately start finding out his true identity from his ISP and we'll
> >send all the information to the SPA to prosecute him - doesn't this fool
> >know he can do 5 years for this type of piracy?
> >
> >I've cc'd him so he knows what to expect.
> 
> I sent e-mail to his ISP (hotmail) and they advised me that they will be 
> on the case.

yeah /right/, hotmail are the slackest around. notorious for spam.

BTW I have some sympathy for you Jeremy but can you honestly say you've
never used pirated software in your life before?


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Has anyone noticed this happening? The screen on the S-760 module itself 
has got thin horizontal lines across it, making the display unreadable. I 
have sometimes had to keep the thing switched on for a couple of weeks. 
Is that what causes it? Is there a cure? At the moment it's only the 
lower half that's illegible but it's getting gradually worse.

Peter


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From: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>
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>BTW I have some sympathy for you Jeremy but can you honestly say you've
>never used pirated software in your life before?

Yesterday, with my senior programmer Scott Shapiro, we went through our 5 
computers and tried to find unlicensed software. We couldn't find any.

We own everything that's installed, or in use. Or on the shelf...

As a commercial businesss, it's foolish to risk an SPA audit for a few 
hundred $$.

We pay our shareware fees. We own our software. Period.

Next time you're in NYC, please visit our offices and we'll show you the 
walls filled with owners manuals and master discs.

Best regards,

Jeremy Roberts
SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
1600 Broadway, Suite 704
New York, NY 10019
tel: 212-262-3488
fax: 212-262-2009
jeremy@sampleheads.com
http://www.sampleheads.com

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---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date:        2/17/98 11:05 AM
Received:    2/17/98 9:08 AM
From:        Farhad K. Wadia, power%giasbm01.vsnl.net.in@fwd.com
To:          jeremy@sampleheads.com


Dear Sir,

I have recieved the below message  from you . I would like to inform you
that we have a studio in Bombay to which the address
power@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in  belongs to and is owned by me Farhad Wadia. We
have 2 computers in our rest & recreation area where musicians relax &
download  their mail etc. We have roughly over a dozen different musicians
coming in every week all of whom use this facility .

What I am trying to get at is that someone working at this studio has made
this posting wherein my email address has appeared. I would like to assure
you that not only does the studio not own any samplers or synthesizer
equipment ( In India musicians come with their own equipment ) nor any
pirated software !

We are not in the piracy buisness and nor intend to make a start in it !
Thus I take exception to your accusations & threats against me , and ask 
you
to refrain from doing so in the future . Please rest assured that if I
intended to pirate I would not be stupid enough to use  my email ID and
would have done so from an anonymous address !

However I do realise the seriousness of this problem and have already
instructed my staff to be vigilant so that we can find out the person who
has posted this email.

I trust this explains our position

Yours Sincerely - Farhad Wadia




>>DEAR  JEREMY,
>>
>>FIRSTLY  ,  I HAVE  NEVER
>>EVER  STIFFED  ANYONE ON  A  TRADE !
>
>Except the copyright holder.
>
>>Well  jeremy  i  agree  its  illegal
>
>SO WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DOING THIS? DO YOU REALIZE YOU'RE HURTING
>PEOPLE?
>
>>but  from  where  i  stay  in Asia
>>,  firstly  even  if  I  had  a 100,000 $  to  buy  cdroms  they  are
>>not  available , also  what for  what  they  cost  in  our  currency  a
>>family  of  4  could  eat   2  entire  months  for the cost  one  sample
>>cdrom!
>
>Do you steal cars? Do you rob banks? Your argument just doesn't make it.
>
>>So  unless  you guys  frasticaLLy  lower  your  prices to  affordable
>>levels for  us  third world  musicians   and  see that  your product  is
>>freely  available ,  our  only  option is  trading !
>
>My option is to go out of business and blame jerks like you. No more
>Peter Erskine. No More Pocket Syndrome. Would that please you? Could you
>live with that? How about if future soundware products were copy
>protected (very likely to happen
>
>>piracy  is  when  you  sell  the  softwatre  and  I  am  not  selling
>>it !!!
>
>What???? I don't understand. The license agreement specifically says you
>can't copy, loan, trade, or any number of acts that you've admitted to.
>
>It's too bad you're not in NYC because I'd invite you to our offices to
>meet the guys who program these discs. To meet the guys who will lose
>their jobs if guys like you continue.
>
>Don't you get it? We're all musicians here. If you made your living as a
>professional you'd understand. Do you want people stealing your work?
>
>
>Jeremy Roberts
>SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
>1600 Broadway, Suite 704
>New York, NY 10019
>tel: 212-262-3488
>fax: 212-262-2009
>jeremy@sampleheads.com
>http://www.sampleheads.com
>



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Dear Farhad K. Wadia:

Based on your letter, it appears that someone used your e-mail account to 
promote illegal activity.

We understand the circumstances and we apologize for any inconvenience 
this may have caused you, but I'm sure you understand our hard-line/zero 
tolerance position in regards to theft of our product!

I am copying this to the major players in the soundware industry.

I trust that you will take actions to prevent unauthorized use of your 
account for illegal activites (i don't know about Indian law, but in the 
US, the owner of an internet account is responsible for all uses)

Thank you for your prompt response.

Jeremy Roberts
SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
1600 Broadway, Suite 704
New York, NY 10019
tel: 212-262-3488
fax: 212-262-2009
jeremy@sampleheads.com
http://www.sampleheads.com



>
>Dear Sir,
>
>I have recieved the below message  from you . I would like to inform you
>that we have a studio in Bombay to which the address
>power@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in  belongs to and is owned by me Farhad Wadia. We
>have 2 computers in our rest & recreation area where musicians relax &
>download  their mail etc. We have roughly over a dozen different musicians
>coming in every week all of whom use this facility .
>
>What I am trying to get at is that someone working at this studio has made
>this posting wherein my email address has appeared. I would like to assure
>you that not only does the studio not own any samplers or synthesizer
>equipment ( In India musicians come with their own equipment ) nor any
>pirated software !
>
>We are not in the piracy buisness and nor intend to make a start in it !
>Thus I take exception to your accusations & threats against me , and ask you
>to refrain from doing so in the future . Please rest assured that if I
>intended to pirate I would not be stupid enough to use  my email ID and
>would have done so from an anonymous address !
>
>However I do realise the seriousness of this problem and have already
>instructed my staff to be vigilant so that we can find out the person who
>has posted this email.
>
>I trust this explains our position
>
>Yours Sincerely - Farhad Wadia
>
>
>
>
>>>DEAR  JEREMY,
>>>
>>>FIRSTLY  ,  I HAVE  NEVER
>>>EVER  STIFFED  ANYONE ON  A  TRADE !
>>
>>Except the copyright holder.
>>
>>>Well  jeremy  i  agree  its  illegal
>>
>>SO WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DOING THIS? DO YOU REALIZE YOU'RE HURTING
>>PEOPLE?
>>
>>>but  from  where  i  stay  in Asia
>>>,  firstly  even  if  I  had  a 100,000 $  to  buy  cdroms  they  are
>>>not  available , also  what for  what  they  cost  in  our  currency  a
>>>family  of  4  could  eat   2  entire  months  for the cost  one  sample
>>>cdrom!
>>
>>Do you steal cars? Do you rob banks? Your argument just doesn't make it.
>>
>>>So  unless  you guys  frasticaLLy  lower  your  prices to  affordable
>>>levels for  us  third world  musicians   and  see that  your product  is
>>>freely  available ,  our  only  option is  trading !
>>
>>My option is to go out of business and blame jerks like you. No more
>>Peter Erskine. No More Pocket Syndrome. Would that please you? Could you
>>live with that? How about if future soundware products were copy
>>protected (very likely to happen
>>
>>>piracy  is  when  you  sell  the  softwatre  and  I  am  not  selling
>>>it !!!
>>
>>What???? I don't understand. The license agreement specifically says you
>>can't copy, loan, trade, or any number of acts that you've admitted to.
>>
>>It's too bad you're not in NYC because I'd invite you to our offices to
>>meet the guys who program these discs. To meet the guys who will lose
>>their jobs if guys like you continue.
>>
>>Don't you get it? We're all musicians here. If you made your living as a
>>professional you'd understand. Do you want people stealing your work?
>>
>>
>>Jeremy Roberts
>>SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
>>1600 Broadway, Suite 704
>>New York, NY 10019
>>tel: 212-262-3488
>>fax: 212-262-2009
>>jeremy@sampleheads.com
>>http://www.sampleheads.com
>>
>
>

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do you have the screen set too dark?  (obvious, but...just in case)

Peter Brewis wrote:

> Has anyone noticed this happening? The screen on the S-760 module itself
> has got thin horizontal lines across it, making the display unreadable. I
> have sometimes had to keep the thing switched on for a couple of weeks.
> Is that what causes it? Is there a cure? At the moment it's only the
> lower half that's illegible but it's getting gradually worse.
>
> Peter
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all this vigilante business of hunting down fred king is getting a little
tiresome.  Could you shift it to private emails, please, instead of
posting your threats and manifestoes to the group.

thanks.

-Daryn




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Hi!  I've been away for awhile, and was wondering if any progress has
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This is nice to see... The net actually being used for something usefull...

keep it up folks

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>
Aan: Farhad K. Wadia <power%giasbm01.vsnl.net.in@fwd.com>
CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
Datum: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 3:31 PM
Onderwerp: sgroup Re: your email mesage


>Dear Farhad K. Wadia:
>
>Based on your letter, it appears that someone used your e-mail account to
>promote illegal activity.
>
>We understand the circumstances and we apologize for any inconvenience
>this may have caused you, but I'm sure you understand our hard-line/zero
>tolerance position in regards to theft of our product!
>
>I am copying this to the major players in the soundware industry.
>
>I trust that you will take actions to prevent unauthorized use of your
>account for illegal activites (i don't know about Indian law, but in the
>US, the owner of an internet account is responsible for all uses)
>
>Thank you for your prompt response.
>
>Jeremy Roberts
>SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
>1600 Broadway, Suite 704
>New York, NY 10019
>tel: 212-262-3488
>fax: 212-262-2009
>jeremy@sampleheads.com
>http://www.sampleheads.com
>
>
>
>>
>>Dear Sir,
>>
>>I have recieved the below message  from you . I would like to inform you
>>that we have a studio in Bombay to which the address
>>power@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in  belongs to and is owned by me Farhad Wadia. We
>>have 2 computers in our rest & recreation area where musicians relax &
>>download  their mail etc. We have roughly over a dozen different musicians
>>coming in every week all of whom use this facility .
>>
>>What I am trying to get at is that someone working at this studio has made
>>this posting wherein my email address has appeared. I would like to assure
>>you that not only does the studio not own any samplers or synthesizer
>>equipment ( In India musicians come with their own equipment ) nor any
>>pirated software !
>>
>>We are not in the piracy buisness and nor intend to make a start in it !
>>Thus I take exception to your accusations & threats against me , and ask
you
>>to refrain from doing so in the future . Please rest assured that if I
>>intended to pirate I would not be stupid enough to use  my email ID and
>>would have done so from an anonymous address !
>>
>>However I do realise the seriousness of this problem and have already
>>instructed my staff to be vigilant so that we can find out the person who
>>has posted this email.
>>
>>I trust this explains our position
>>
>>Yours Sincerely - Farhad Wadia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>DEAR  JEREMY,
>>>>
>>>>FIRSTLY  ,  I HAVE  NEVER
>>>>EVER  STIFFED  ANYONE ON  A  TRADE !
>>>
>>>Except the copyright holder.
>>>
>>>>Well  jeremy  i  agree  its  illegal
>>>
>>>SO WHY THE HELL ARE YOU DOING THIS? DO YOU REALIZE YOU'RE HURTING
>>>PEOPLE?
>>>
>>>>but  from  where  i  stay  in Asia
>>>>,  firstly  even  if  I  had  a 100,000 $  to  buy  cdroms  they  are
>>>>not  available , also  what for  what  they  cost  in  our  currency  a
>>>>family  of  4  could  eat   2  entire  months  for the cost  one  sample
>>>>cdrom!
>>>
>>>Do you steal cars? Do you rob banks? Your argument just doesn't make it.
>>>
>>>>So  unless  you guys  frasticaLLy  lower  your  prices to  affordable
>>>>levels for  us  third world  musicians   and  see that  your product  is
>>>>freely  available ,  our  only  option is  trading !
>>>
>>>My option is to go out of business and blame jerks like you. No more
>>>Peter Erskine. No More Pocket Syndrome. Would that please you? Could you
>>>live with that? How about if future soundware products were copy
>>>protected (very likely to happen
>>>
>>>>piracy  is  when  you  sell  the  softwatre  and  I  am  not  selling
>>>>it !!!
>>>
>>>What???? I don't understand. The license agreement specifically says you
>>>can't copy, loan, trade, or any number of acts that you've admitted to.
>>>
>>>It's too bad you're not in NYC because I'd invite you to our offices to
>>>meet the guys who program these discs. To meet the guys who will lose
>>>their jobs if guys like you continue.
>>>
>>>Don't you get it? We're all musicians here. If you made your living as a
>>>professional you'd understand. Do you want people stealing your work?
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeremy Roberts
>>>SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
>>>1600 Broadway, Suite 704
>>>New York, NY 10019
>>>tel: 212-262-3488
>>>fax: 212-262-2009
>>>jeremy@sampleheads.com
>>>http://www.sampleheads.com
>>>
>>
>>
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I dont mind reading about it.... if you dont wanna read just delete the
messages..
or is it that difficult ?

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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Aan: Ian Holmes <ihh@sanger.ac.uk>
CC: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>; Doug Rogers
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>
>all this vigilante business of hunting down fred king is getting a little
>tiresome.  Could you shift it to private emails, please, instead of
>posting your threats and manifestoes to the group.
>
>thanks.
>
>-Daryn
>
>
>
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mine has gone so bad that the entire screen dissapeared.  I wrote about
this about 2 years ago, but no-one seemed to care about it as the couple
of people who noticed it, used external displays and it did not bother
them.  I have ordered a neew lcd screen from Roland - It should ciome any
day now as it has been 6 weeks already.  The cost is in the region of
about $75-100.
Thanks
cyber-7

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Adam wrote:

> do you have the screen set too dark?  (obvious, but...just in case)
> 
> Peter Brewis wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone noticed this happening? The screen on the S-760 module itself
> > has got thin horizontal lines across it, making the display unreadable. I
> > have sometimes had to keep the thing switched on for a couple of weeks.
> > Is that what causes it? Is there a cure? At the moment it's only the
> > lower half that's illegible but it's getting gradually worse.
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> > Peter
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----------
From: 	Jeremy Roberts[SMTP:jeremy@sampleheads.com]
Sent: 	Tuesday, February 17, 1998 2:26 AM
To: 	Ian Holmes
Cc: 	Doug Rogers; sgroup
Subject: 	Re: sgroup SAMPLE  CDROMS  EXCHANGE

>BTW I have some sympathy for you Jeremy but can you honestly say you've
>never used pirated software in your life before?


This questions misses the point.  This argument is settled by copyright =
laws, period.  It doesn't matter about individuals differing views about =
what "should" be the way to do things, or how they used to do things, or =
how much something "should" cost.  It doesn't matter if its right or =
wrong, it's the law. =20

Jeremy's extensive and reasonable argument will hopefully educate people =
to do the right (and legal) thing.  Ideas(software) are more valuable =
than hardware.  People shouldn't steal either one.

	

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On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Russell Jackson wrote:

> >BTW I have some sympathy for you Jeremy but can you honestly say you've
> >never used pirated software in your life before?
> 
> 
> This questions misses the point.  This argument is settled by copyright
> laws, period.  It doesn't matter about individuals differing views about
> what "should" be the way to do things, or how they used to do things, or
> how much something "should" cost.  It doesn't matter if its right or
> wrong, it's the law.  
> 
> Jeremy's extensive and reasonable argument will hopefully educate people
> to do the right (and legal) thing.  Ideas(software) are more valuable
> than hardware.  People shouldn't steal either one.


I agree with you 100%, but with respect it's you (& Jeremy) who are
missing the point. Jeremy asked what motivates people to copy software and
I answered by asking if he had ever used copied software himself. (Not
whether his company currently owned any, as he interpreted the question.) 
Yes it's illegal and it's wrong and people do it and they shouldn't, but
vendors of this kind of product need to think hard about how they can add
value to the service they offer, not complain about what is basically
human nature. For example, in the software industry, after-sales training
and support help encourage users to register. Why can't we have (for
example) custom CD-Roms; my Digital Boy (from Time&Space, I've got the
receipt) has loads of patches which I don't want, or don't need, or can't
load into my paltry 10MB.

This is the solution: be creative, & try to empathise with your target
market. Anyway that's my manifesto, sorry for boring ppl who're sick of
these flames.

yam


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I wrote:

> blah blah blah value-added service etc

of course i'm not saying you shouldn't prosecute the big fish when you
catch them. anyway i've said enough on this.


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.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.::.:..:.::.

hi everyone
sorry to drag this back out, but ive been away for a week.

> But there are still smoothing filters behind the D/A-converters. Just
> had a look at the service notes: these seem to be the units labelled
> FL10 to FL17, K25-J1, FC=14.5kHz.

AHA! yes! this is what i was talking about.. but these are hardware?
analog filters? ..if they were digital then i was hoping that they could
be disabled.. to see what happens at least. but nobody else seems to think
itll work. :(

someone mentioned a delay/sampler pedal by digitech. i only have real
inside knowledge of analog delay lines.. but they work exactly this way,
to change the pitch (delay time) you change the clock frequency. id think 
that at least the simpler digital units, like the mentioned digitech,
may work the same.

a quick $.02 about pirating CD-ROMs
like someone else on this list, i can't buy those CDs cos its just not
worth it. $150 plus for the very few useable samples.. doesn't make sense. 

hypothetically (don't flame me jeremy, i m on yr side)
if some one gave me like 1 sample that came from a cd rom, i wouldnt feel
bad about it. i mean, it doesn;t hurt their business any, id NEVER buy the
disk for 1 snare you know? its never come up anyway. i make my sounds.

mike


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This guy is right:

Fred King: please do not use being in Asia or 'the third world' as an
excuse. As an Asian musician I do not agree that currency or
unavailability are excuses for breaking the law. I find sample CD's
expensive, so I simply don't buy them. They're not a necessity or a
right, they're a luxury. If you can afford so many CD's, you don't
appear to have a problem with the cost.

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Benjamin Ang <bangg@bu.edu>
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I think it's a shame that Samplehead are using this list (dedicated to
Roland samplers if I remember well...) to promote, and promote, and
re-promote their products. This is not a comercial list of any kind. I'm
fed up of receiving their mails mixed with interesting others. Can
anybody suggest something? I suggest the boycott of Samplehead! Their
prices are too high compare to other companies, they come inside our
home without been invited, and they are arrogant.

I'm also living in Asia, in South China, and of course we have access to
whatever CD order via the Internet. I think there are also "third world
people" in the US.
I'm in favor of piracy. Particularly with companies like Microsoft... or
Samplehead.
I'm in favor of oxidation. Particularly when the metal isn't stainless!

Everything that is done today had already been done before. Music,
sound, piracy, business, everything! We are all thieves, but the worst
are the ones that are telling they are not!


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From: Jeremy Roberts <jeremy@sampleheads.com>
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>I think it's a shame that Samplehead are using this list (dedicated to
>Roland samplers if I remember well...) to promote, and promote, and
>re-promote their products. This is not a comercial list of any kind. I'm
>fed up of receiving their mails mixed with interesting others. Can
>anybody suggest something? I suggest the boycott of Samplehead! Their
>prices are too high compare to other companies, they come inside our
>home without been invited, and they are arrogant.

Do I really have to defend myself?

Our prices too high? We have the lowest prices on the market for the type 
of products we make. Where have you been?

As for the commercialism, I'm not here to "promote, promote, promote". 
"Fred King" used the list to pirate my software, so I used the list to 
blow him up.

Arrogant? I think others will come to my defense... I'm just a successful 
session player/producer in New York City (got a Grammy nomination this 
year!) with a soundware company. I try to contribute when I can, the rest 
of the time, I listen ad learn.

>I'm in favor of piracy. Particularly with companies like Microsoft... or
>Samplehead.

I'm flattered that you lumped the largest software company in the world, 
with a $186 Billion market capitalization with us.

Your public statements in support of piracy negate everything you 
possibly could ever say on this issue.

Jeremy Roberts
SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
1600 Broadway, Suite 704
New York, NY 10019
tel: 212-262-3488
fax: 212-262-2009
jeremy@sampleheads.com
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Tom,

If you could spread this message through your group that would be good
enough for us.

As you can imagine, it's very frustrating spending hundreds of thousands of
dollars to develop products that not only make our company money but give
musicians powerful tools to enhance their music (in many cases make them
millions of dollars) - only to have someone rip it off (whether they sell
it or share it).

We have formed an association "The Sound Developers Association" - or SDA
for short and are all working diligently to limit this piracy by
prosecuting offenders using the Software Publishers Association (SPA) who
have suceeded in putting many pirates behind bars. Frankly I would rather
spend my time making the next mega Sample Collection than chasing pirates
but we all feel violated and we have to do something.

FYI - we are releasing a product on March 12 called GigaSampler - which is
the world's first Sampler to read massive instruments from a PCs hard drive
instead of RAM. Both GigaSampler and the GigaSound libraries are
copy-protected. It may end up being the only format we release future
product on which will make all the other format owners real happy -
Samplers are pretty useless if they can't play the latest and greatest
sounds available.

Doug Rogers
EASTWEST

 >Doug,
>
>A further thought, Doug.
>
>It is my belief that it is in my own best interests not to pirate
>software of any kind, because I enjoy having the option of buying a CD
>with the work already done for me.
>
>The more counterfeit material there is out there, the less sales for you,
>the less sales for you, the less likely you are to do another CD, the
>less likely you are to do another CD, the harder it is for me to find the
>particular sound I'm looking for. SImple.
>
>I think if people just looked at it that way the reasoning would be a lot
>more clear to them why they should stay away from "free" offers.
>
>Best
>Tom




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It is my belief that it is in my own best interests not to pirate
software of any kind, because I enjoy having the option of buying a CD
with the work already done for me.
The more counterfeit material there is out there, the less sales for you,
the less sales for you, the less likely you are to do another CD, the
less likely you are to do another CD, the harder it is for me to find the
particular sound I'm looking for. SImple.

I think if people just looked at it that way the reasoning would be a lot
more clear to them why they should stay away from "free" offers.

Tom Hartman
THS

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>It is my belief that it is in my own best interests not to pirate
>>software of any kind, because I enjoy having the option of buying a CD
>>with the work already done for me.
>>
>>The more counterfeit material there is out there, the less sales for you,
>>the less sales for you, the less likely you are to do another CD, the
>>less likely you are to do another CD, the harder it is for me to find the
>>particular sound I'm looking for. SImple.
>>
>>I think if people just looked at it that way the reasoning would be a lot
>>more clear to them why they should stay away from "free" offers.
>>
>>Best
>>Tom


This message was sent to East West from me, Tom Hartman, a composer in 
South Florida. It is my take on the situation, and I believe it's the 
only one anyone with any conscience, or just plain good sense, can have. 


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About 2 years old, with all options and 32 megs. Mint. 

$975.00 Buyer Pays Shipping from FL

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>The more counterfeit material there is out there, the less sales for you,
>the less sales for you, the less likely you are to do another CD, the
>less likely you are to do another CD, the harder it is for me to find the
>particular sound I'm looking for. SImple.


If this is simple, then tell me, what was here first, the chicken or the egg
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On 17 Feb 98 at 12:17, Jeremy Roberts wrote:

> >I think it's a shame that Samplehead are using this list (dedicated to
> >Roland samplers if I remember well...) to promote, and promote, and
> >re-promote their products. This is not a comercial list of any kind. I'm
> >fed up of receiving their mails mixed with interesting others. Can
> >anybody suggest something? I suggest the boycott of Samplehead! Their
> >prices are too high compare to other companies, they come inside our
> >home without been invited, and they are arrogant.
> 
I don't know about a boycott, but I too feel that the blatantly 
commerical posts to this list are inappropriate.  I have no problem 
with an occassional "come join OUR maillist" post, but the constant 
advertising is basically spam, IMHO.


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I didnt see any 'blatant' advertisements.. only someone protecting his
business...

 I don't know about a boycott, but I too feel that the blatantly
  commerical posts to this list are inappropriate.  I have no problem
  with an occassional "come join OUR maillist" post, but the constant
  advertising is basically spam, IMHO.


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Hello,

With the recent spate of opinions on what constitutes piracy and
copyright infringements I would like to ask one question, but first...

My opinion:

I have a total of 6 sample cd's with an approximate usefulness index of
about 3%, and an estimated combined worth of about $800.

Will I ever buy another sample CD. No way. Will I visit a site such as
EastWest and PAY for ONLY what I want? You bet.

My question is: Are the samples on Future Music's cover CD copyright
free or are there restrictions involved? I haven't found anything to
define what they can be used for. 

I do find them WAY more useful than any other dedicated CD yet before I
get to attached to some of my samples that I have obtained from them
perhaps someone on this list has had experience with this particular CD.

On a side note, those CD's I mentioned above are for sale. You will have
to take my word that I have made absolutely NO copies, back ups or
samples of them, either pristine or manipulated.

If you want a run down of what they are please do it privately. They are
useless to me. I'd rather make my own

dave

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On 18 Feb 98 at 5:38, DJ System wrote:

> I didnt see any 'blatant' advertisements.. only someone protecting
> his business...
> 
>  I don't know about a boycott, but I too feel that the blatantly
>   commerical posts to this list are inappropriate.  I have no
>   problem with an occassional "come join OUR maillist" post, but the
>   constant advertising is basically spam, IMHO.
> 
I didn't mean to imply there was any blatant commercialism with 
respect to the "Fred King" issue, but Jeremy does post what could 
only be called advertisements to the group periodically.


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>but Jeremy does post what could 
>only be called advertisements to the group periodically.

ONCE every 2-3 months (if that), I post a "we have new product shipping 
in ROLAND format" newsletters.

I discussed this with the group almost 2 years ago... the consensus was, 
"as long as it's only 5-6 times a year, and keep it to a page or 2, and 
as long as it's about Roland Sampler related topics, then cool..."

Can anyone honestly say I haven't followed the spirit of this intent?

In my defense, here are the exact dates of ALL the "newsletters" i've 
sent to the list for the past 18 months:

9/19/96
4/30/97
6/29/97
12/9/97
1/24/98

If (5) 2-page e-mails in 18 months are offensive to you, I don't 
understand.... we're ROLAND developers... how many other ROLAND 
developers hang out and CONTRIBUTE to this list?

Would you rather I go away?

Best regards,

Jeremy Roberts
SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
jeremy@sampleheads.com
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>I too feel that the blatantly 
>commerical posts to this list are inappropriate.  I have no problem 
>with an occassional "come join OUR maillist" post, but the constant 
>advertising is basically spam, IMHO.

You think I'm posting "constant advertising"?

Show me where....

jr

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>I didnt see any 'blatant' advertisements.. only someone protecting his
>business...

> I don't know about a boycott, but I too feel that the blatantly
>  commerical posts to this list are inappropriate.  I have no problem
>  with an occassional "come join OUR maillist" post, but the constant
>  advertising is basically spam, IMHO.

DJ System,

I don't know how long you have been subscribing to the Sgroup,
but Jeremy Roberts has been informing us regularly with a list of
his companys products...

Finnur Bjornsson



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>Samplers are pretty useless if they can't play the latest and greatest
>sounds available.
>
>Doug Rogers
>EASTWEST

i'm sure that's how you see it.  however, there are others, such as myself,
who consider sampling to be a small but useful part of the music making
arsenal and as much for creating our own new samples as using someone
else's.  i thought this comment needed to be brought up after so much
recent focus on stealing other people's samples.  

i've used an s-550 for 10 years and have plenty of "other people's samples"
in just 3 cds, lawfully obtained, of course.  i couldn't care less if the
s-550 plays the "latest and greatest" because i don't want to use the exact
same sounds other people use.  as someone once said, "imitation is the
sincerest form of irrelevance."  

that's not to say that i'm not pleased as punch to have a cdrom and be able
to dial up the roland library or universe of sounds from a single cd.  i'm
just pointing out that some of us consider samplers perfectly useful with a
good basic library and the option to make our own new sounds when that
library doesn't cut it.  and that's not even touching the conversation
about how much to use real instruments or samples, especially for final
productions.  but then, i'm somewhat reactionary in that regard, so let's
not go there today.

otto



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I agree with Otto. I got my S-330 to create all the sounds I couldnt get
from sample-players like Korg's M,T and X series. I find those synths
easier for getting 'latest and greatest' sounds, which quite soon become
'most used and abused' sounds. On the other hand my S-330 allows me to
create my own identity in my music with my own unique sounds.

Otto Fajen wrote:
> 
> >Samplers are pretty useless if they can't play the latest and greatest
> >sounds available.
> >
> >Doug Rogers
> >EASTWEST
> 
> i'm sure that's how you see it.  however, there are others, such as myself,
> who consider sampling to be a small but useful part of the music making
> arsenal and as much for creating our own new samples as using someone
> else's.  
-- 
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IMHO I find Jeremy's/Samplehead's occasional postings acceptable, as
have most of our group (assuming we are the same people who reached that
consensus 2 years ago). I don't usually purchase sample CDs but
Sampleheads' postings are informative.

Jeremy, please calm down :)

Jeremy Roberts wrote:
> 
> >but Jeremy does post what could
> >only be called advertisements to the group periodically.
> 
> ONCE every 2-3 months (if that), I post a "we have new product shipping
> in ROLAND format" newsletters.
> 
> I discussed this with the group almost 2 years ago... the consensus -- 
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* This is your arrogance:

What price would be the price you value a cd-rom at? (and if you say
"free" you will simply be showing everyone on the list that you're a
moron).

OK, what's it worth to you?
And are you willing to accept a lower quality for the lower price?
What kind of car do you drive?

I have been on-line for 14 years. I'm known throughout the music
industry... I ALWAYS use my real name and e-mail address since I have
nothing to hide. Why don't you use a real e-mail?

My option is to go out of business and blame jerks like you. No more
Peter Erskine. No More Pocket Syndrome. Would that please you? Could you
live with that? How about if future soundware products were copy
protected (very likely to happen

How can one be so stupid?

...etc



* And this is hypocrisy:

>Yes, there is the potential for lost income, but you could recouperate with
>the free advertisement you get using this site

As the long-time subscribers to sgroup know, I was a subscriber LONG
before sampleheads.

I don't do the shameless plugs.

I contribute to the group as a user, not a sound developer.

4-6 times a year, we send  a 1 or 2 page e-mail to the list announcing
new Roland products - that's the TOTAL degree of commercialism from us
here... and we asked permission from the list members before we did it
the first time, and most everyone said, "yeah, no prob, just keep it to a
minimum and short and sweet..."   Haven't we?


EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU SPEAK ABOUT YOUR COMPANY ON THIS LIST, YOU PROMOTE IT!
And you know it very well...
Sampleheads has its own list... WHY ARE YOU NOT STAYING THERE WITH WHAT YOUR
COMPANY IS!
Or maybe there is not enough people there?...

Also, the problem with you americans is that you are so used to
self-promotion that you don't even realize when you are doing it or when you
are a victim of it.


* To get colder about piracy I'll just make a citation of this guy, with whom
I fully agree:

I agree with you 100%, but with respect it's you (& Jeremy) who are
missing the point. Jeremy asked what motivates people to copy software and
I answered by asking if he had ever used copied software himself. (Not
whether his company currently owned any, as he interpreted the question.)
Yes it's illegal and it's wrong and people do it and they shouldn't, but
vendors of this kind of product need to think hard about how they can add
value to the service they offer, not complain about what is basically
human nature. For example, in the software industry, after-sales training
and support help encourage users to register. Why can't we have (for
example) custom CD-Roms; my Digital Boy (from Time&Space, I've got the
receipt) has loads of patches which I don't want, or don't need, or can't
load into my paltry 10MB.

This is the solution: be creative, & try to empathise with your target
market. Anyway that's my manifesto, sorry for boring ppl who're sick of
these flames.

yam


* Wow! Need to explain my point about you and Microsoft?
I just lumped the atitude the two companies have to cheat people: the way you
sell a product without people knowing you're doing it. This is an excellent
reason for piracy...


* There are many cheaper CD's than yours at TIME+SPACE, for example...but of
course you must have better quality ones...


In conclusion, of course I wouldn't like my music to be stollen, and will not
make piracy my primary ocupation. But if I have in front of me a Sampleheads
pirate CD at $4 (the kind of buys we have here in China) and the same
Sampleheads CD in its original version at $145, guess what...







Jeremy Roberts wrote:

> >I think it's a shame that Samplehead are using this list (dedicated to
> >Roland samplers if I remember well...) to promote, and promote, and
> >re-promote their products. This is not a comercial list of any kind. I'm
> >fed up of receiving their mails mixed with interesting others. Can
> >anybody suggest something? I suggest the boycott of Samplehead! Their
> >prices are too high compare to other companies, they come inside our
> >home without been invited, and they are arrogant.
>
> Do I really have to defend myself?
>
> Our prices too high? We have the lowest prices on the market for the type
> of products we make. Where have you been?
>
> As for the commercialism, I'm not here to "promote, promote, promote".
> "Fred King" used the list to pirate my software, so I used the list to
> blow him up.
>
> Arrogant? I think others will come to my defense... I'm just a successful
> session player/producer in New York City (got a Grammy nomination this
> year!) with a soundware company. I try to contribute when I can, the rest
> of the time, I listen ad learn.
>
> >I'm in favor of piracy. Particularly with companies like Microsoft... or
> >Samplehead.
>
> I'm flattered that you lumped the largest software company in the world,
> with a $186 Billion market capitalization with us.
>
> Your public statements in support of piracy negate everything you
> possibly could ever say on this issue.
>
> Jeremy Roberts
> SAMPLEHEADS, INC.
> 1600 Broadway, Suite 704
> New York, NY 10019
> tel: 212-262-3488
> fax: 212-262-2009
> jeremy@sampleheads.com
> http://www.sampleheads.com
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Agreed.
    Although I have a Roland S-760, I have not purchased any CD ROM sounds
(exept that included w/the Roland).  Where's the fun in using boxed sounds?
The fun in using the sampler for me is taking a sample as far away from the
original as possible...or breaking down and filtering some drums to the point
where they are distinguishable from the original.  (Yes, I think ReCycle is a
fun-buster too).

Otto Fajen wrote:

> >Samplers are pretty useless if they can't play the latest and greatest
> >sounds available.
> >
> >Doug Rogers
> >EASTWEST
>
> i'm sure that's how you see it.  however, there are others, such as myself,
> who consider sampling to be a small but useful part of the music making
> arsenal and as much for creating our own new samples as using someone
> else's.  i thought this comment needed to be brought up after so much
> recent focus on stealing other people's samples.
>
> i've used an s-550 for 10 years and have plenty of "other people's samples"
> in just 3 cds, lawfully obtained, of course.  i couldn't care less if the
> s-550 plays the "latest and greatest" because i don't want to use the exact
> same sounds other people use.  as someone once said, "imitation is the
> sincerest form of irrelevance."
>
> that's not to say that i'm not pleased as punch to have a cdrom and be able
> to dial up the roland library or universe of sounds from a single cd.  i'm
> just pointing out that some of us consider samplers perfectly useful with a
> good basic library and the option to make our own new sounds when that
> library doesn't cut it.  and that's not even touching the conversation
> about how much to use real instruments or samples, especially for final
> productions.  but then, i'm somewhat reactionary in that regard, so let's
> not go there today.
>
> otto
>
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I think Jeremy raises excellent points about buying/copying sample CDs. 
I also think one of the main things he does very well is pricking the
CONSCIENCE (or LACK thereof) of many list members...  We're basically
talking about STEALING or NOT stealing someone else's work.  A person
can lie to himself so long he actually begins to believe his argument
and justify his actions.  I think we've got someone occupying 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue right now experiencing some of the inevitable
results of being less than honest....   Food for thought?

Kevin 

PS  For those who "can't tolorate another 'shameless self-promotion'"
from Jeremy and his company, on most current browsers there exists a
button titled "Delete" - if one persists it's use can be very
effective.  (I have NO affiliation to Jeremy & company nor do I own any
of his CDs, but I wholeheartedly support his arguments)

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On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Adam wrote:

> Agreed.
>     Although I have a Roland S-760, I have not purchased any CD ROM sounds
> (exept that included w/the Roland).  Where's the fun in using boxed sounds?
> The fun in using the sampler for me is taking a sample as far away from the
> original as possible...or breaking down and filtering some drums to the point
> where they are distinguishable from the original.  (Yes, I think ReCycle is a
> fun-buster too).
> 

Hear hear.  I've probably used about 40-50 patches from the sample CD that
comes with the 760 - it's handy for when I need a good sounding electric
piano or acoustic drum kit in a pinch - but by and large most of my
samples are homebrew.  I can see where sample CDs could be useful for
commercial/soundtrack producers ("quick, I need a bamboo flute sound to go
with this nature footage..."), but I've never much seen the attraction
otherwise.  Particularly these days, when there is so much good sound
creation software freely available, as well as free sample sites, etc.
etc.  A sampler can certainly simulate a lot of realistic-sounding
instruments, but if that's all you do with it, I think you're missing out
on the whole potential of the sampler as an unique musical instrument with
its own characteristics.




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i can delete and ignore off-topic drivel as well as the next guy, but when
it comes to censorship and criminal intent, i respond...

J-M Mariojouls wrote:

>EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU SPEAK ABOUT YOUR COMPANY ON THIS LIST, YOU PROMOTE IT!
>And you know it very well...
>Sampleheads has its own list... WHY ARE YOU NOT STAYING THERE WITH WHAT YOUR
>COMPANY IS!

oh, so just because jr makes income from selling samples, we're going to
gag him and not let him participate in discussions related to roland
samplers?  sorry, that's not the way discussion lists work.

>Also, the problem with you americans is that you are so used to
>self-promotion that you don't even realize when you are doing it or when you
>are a victim of it.

oh, ok.  thanks for pointing that out.  that explains everything...  that's
why i'm so great!  no, wait, i feel exploited...  i'm so confused and
victimized.

just kidding.  i can't buy that one either.  nothing quite like a good
generalization to set things straight for us.  look, jr should not be
beaten up for participating personally in a legitimate on-topic discussion.
 that's an entirely different matter to address than preventing the
careless, automated, mass-posting of commercial email flyers.

>This is the solution: be creative, & try to empathise with your target
>market. Anyway that's my manifesto, sorry for boring ppl who're sick of
>these flames.
>
>* Wow! Need to explain my point about you and Microsoft?
>I just lumped the atitude the two companies have to cheat people: the way you
>sell a product without people knowing you're doing it. This is an excellent
>reason for piracy...

sorry, can't buy this one either.  there is no "reason" which justifies
unlawful conduct and theft.  there are lots of things i'd like to have and
can't afford, but it's disrespectful of others not to compensate them for
their original contributions, and i would appreciate the same respect from
others.  if samples are not offered on terms you like, that is still no
justification for stealing.

i would suggest that there is a lot more at stake here for you than a few
sample cds, but it goes way beyond the subject domain of this list.

peace,

otto

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On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Otto Fajen wrote:

> generalization to set things straight for us.  look, jr should not be
> beaten up for participating personally in a legitimate on-topic discussion.


I agree.  But I haven't seen *ANY* legitimate, on-topic discussion on this
list from ANYONE for the past several days.  My feelings about the whole
copyright/trademark morrass are probably as strong as anyone elses, but I
haven't contributed them because I really don't think they belong here.

PLEASE people, if you need to continue this infernal Fred King/copyright
thread, PLEASE PLEASE do so by private email.  It's just causing a lot of
bickering in what is typically a very friendly forum, and, well,
"copyright law" != "Roland Samplers".  Sure, all I have to do is delete
the messages, but it gets old after a while. 


  Thanks,
   Steve


"Yeah, I sample--
 Now sample this:
 My pit bull."
     -Public Enemy



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I'm going to request that we take a break from the discussion of
copyright, commercialism, and so on, as I fear that it is currently
generating more heat than light.

So, please, let's hold off on this dicussion for at least a week, ok?

Thanks!

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Funny that you stuck on that P.E. quote...since they went after Madonna for using
their drum loop after flavor flav rapped "you can't copyright no beats."  (Guess
that double negative really turned into a positive)

Hey Steve, did you clear that Calvin gif? :)

Steve Harvey wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Otto Fajen wrote:
>
> > generalization to set things straight for us.  look, jr should not be
> > beaten up for participating personally in a legitimate on-topic discussion.
>
> I agree.  But I haven't seen *ANY* legitimate, on-topic discussion on this
> list from ANYONE for the past several days.  My feelings about the whole
> copyright/trademark morrass are probably as strong as anyone elses, but I
> haven't contributed them because I really don't think they belong here.
>
> PLEASE people, if you need to continue this infernal Fred King/copyright
> thread, PLEASE PLEASE do so by private email.  It's just causing a lot of
> bickering in what is typically a very friendly forum, and, well,
> "copyright law" != "Roland Samplers".  Sure, all I have to do is delete
> the messages, but it gets old after a while.
>
>   Thanks,
>    Steve
>
> "Yeah, I sample--
>  Now sample this:
>  My pit bull."
>      -Public Enemy
>
> --
> http://www.thoughtshop.com/egodeath/
>
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On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Adam wrote:

> Funny that you stuck on that P.E. quote...since they went after Madonna for using
> their drum loop after flavor flav rapped "you can't copyright no beats."  (Guess
> that double negative really turned into a positive)

I did not know about that...  Still, I really like that PE song:
"Understand where we're goin / Then listen to this, plus my Roland"


> Hey Steve, did you clear that Calvin gif? :)

Didn't have to.  Bill Waterson never trademarked the Calvin & Hobbes
characters, so people can use them freely.  Another reason C&H is one of
the greatest comics ever.  :-)


    -Steve


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> I'm going to request that we take a break from the discussion of
> copyright, commercialism, and so on, as I fear that it is currently
> generating more heat than light.

   'heat than light', hey, arnt those peter gabriel lyrics?

    Re: sgroup "the pause that refreshes ...". hey, isnt that a soft 
drink add?  

 (sorry, i couldnt resist......)



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> > Hey Steve, did you clear that Calvin gif? :)
>
> Didn't have to.  Bill Waterson never trademarked the Calvin & Hobbes
> characters, so people can use them freely.  Another reason C&H is one of
> the greatest comics ever.  :-)
>
>     -Steve

Wow!  I didn't know that.  They still should be covered by copyright law though.

>
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if i might start a little thread.. how many people on this list are
musicians that have records out by the way? and whats the style? i just
wonder.
ill start: 2 compilation tracks and forthcoming CD/LP on fuzzybox records
. drum n bass infused shoegazing pop. oh, bands called monorail

mike



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On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, mike p wrote:

> 
> if i might start a little thread.. how many people on this list are
> musicians that have records out by the way? and whats the style? i just
> wonder.
> ill start: 2 compilation tracks and forthcoming CD/LP on fuzzybox records
> . drum n bass infused shoegazing pop. oh, bands called monorail
> 

No releases on commercial labels at the moment, but I've independently
recorded & released 5 tapes of original material on my own basement label
(EGODEATH Productions).  Style ranges from gritty, noisy techno to jazzy
drum & bass.  I'm currently re-doing the music section on my web page +
should have some new Realaudio tracks up to listen to in a week or two...


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At 04:09 PM 2/18/98 -0500, Steve Harvey wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, mike p wrote:
>
>> 
>> if i might start a little thread.. how many people on this list are
>> musicians that have records out by the way? and whats the style? i just
>> wonder.
>> 
>
>No releases on commercial labels at the moment, but I've independently
>recorded & released 5 tapes of original material on my own basement label
>(EGODEATH Productions).  Style ranges from gritty, noisy techno to jazzy
>drum & bass.  I'm currently re-doing the music section on my web page +
>should have some new Realaudio tracks up to listen to in a week or two...

Yeah, I'm in a band called "Gangster Pump." We're somewhat of a ska-core
band, but we're basically a hard-core band with some minor ska influences.
We've put out 2 independent CD's in the past 6 years and are working to go
back into the studio in May of this year. 

You can check us out at:  http://www.gangsterpump.com


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Hi!  I've recorded several albums as well, but nothing commercial yet.
My own music leans toward jazz/new-age.  I've also done some
spoken-voice work for some friends, as well as some "soundtrack" work
for friends big into video production.  I'm going to do a little gigging
soon, with my father, playing jazz standards.  My "band" name, as such,
is "Eric Eats an Orange".

Thanks!

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Can someone tell me what is inside my 760(and what is not)?

Which functions are part of the system software and what is
processed by hardware or ROM?  Does Rolands' pre-emphasis
happen in the D/A - A/D process or is that a system process?
Could a hacker modify/customize the system software or even
write a totally different system software for the unit?  Is there a
hidden Playstation inside my 760 :-)


Finnur

BTW: What is the secret sysex message that puts S760 into
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mike p wrote:

> if i might start a little thread.. how many people on this list are
> musicians that have records out by the way? and whats the style? i just
> wonder.
> ill start: 2 compilation tracks and forthcoming CD/LP on fuzzybox records
> . drum n bass infused shoegazing pop. oh, bands called monorail

Statik@gate.net:
2 albums - Bass Trancemission (self titled) and Quad Squad - "Bottom Out"
single - Shake it Down!
future???  Law school's too time consuming for music production!


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mike p wrote:

> if i might start a little thread.. how many people on this list are
> musicians that have records out by the way? and whats the style? i
just
> wonder.
> ill start: 2 compilation tracks and forthcoming CD/LP on fuzzybox
records
> . drum n bass infused shoegazing pop. oh, bands called monorail

Statik@gate.net:
2 albums - Bass Trancemission (self titled) and Quad Squad - "Bottom
Out"
single - Shake it Down!
future???  Law school's too time consuming for music production!


Hi!  I've recorded several albums as well, but nothing commercial yet.
My own music leans toward jazz/new-age.  I've also done some
spoken-voice work for some friends, as well as some "soundtrack" work
for friends big into video production.  I'm going to do a little gigging

soon, with my father, playing jazz standards.  My "band" name, as such,
is "Eric Eats an Orange".

Thanks!

Paul


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Thank goodness for a change of topic!

We are Terabyte, and we've been playing techno / trance / new wave /
synthpop live at various gigs in Singapore, including Sparks Disco and
Zouk Club (listed as one of the world's top 3 clubs by MixMag).

Our regular annual gig is at the Electronic Music Lab's concert, at the
National University of Singapore. This year we're in Boston, so we
emailed our track to them.

We last appeared on an Electronic Music Lab compilation in 94, and we
are way overdue recording a CD ...

Anyone who's interested in electronica in South-East Asia can email Ben
directly (bangg@bu.edu).  Ben also maintains the Electronic Music Lab
website at http://www.eml.org.sg, and every week there's a link to a new
electronic music site that's interesting.

	Benjamin & Jane Ang

mike p wrote:
> 
> if i might start a little thread.. how many people on this list are
> musicians that have records out by the way? and whats the style? i just
> wonder.
> ill start: 2 compilation tracks and forthcoming CD/LP on fuzzybox records
> . drum n bass infused shoegazing pop. oh, bands called monorail
> 
> mike

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From: Dan Phillips <dan@korgrd.com>
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Hello all,

I have done underscore and source for a few tv shows (As The World 
Turns, Valley of the Dolls), and produced a rather strange CD of songs
from the soap opera Santa Barbara.

I'm currently working on my own singer/songwriter project, which
falls somewhere on a continuum between electronica and rock.

Dan Phillips
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Hey, all,

Nothing released, been an uphill battle to get the $$$ to buy *for myself*
the gear I was used to.  Mostly write ravey styles:  drum'n'bass, trance,
slow ambient, whatever mood I'm in when I begin.  Gear is too limited at
moment to do anything tremendously serious.

S-550 users: Take a look at the first site below.  Haven't had the sampler
long, and pretty pressed for time, but any good "final" version of my disks
will be uploaded as developed.  Currently working on a 909 set, and
graciously accepting contributions...  :)

Paul
London, Ontario, Canada
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/5050/download_studio.html
http://www.lonet.ca/res/pgingerich

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I've lost some mail recently so if I've missed this... let me hear from
you again.  Does anyone know how to either purchase or diy a scsi
connection for the S-550???  I've been looking and am still looking.  

Many thanks,

Kevin

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Nice idea !!

I am an Hip-Hip / Rare-groove / Acid-Jazz DJ, and play in a band called "The
Murray Field Size Five", composed of 12 persons (Drums, percussions, bass,
guitar, Rhodes piano & piano, flute, tenor sax, alto sax, 3 voices, DJ &
sampler.)

By the way, we're looking for a funky bass player (our's going to London for
some months) and a funky drummer (our's going to study too far) ... anyone
interested ?

Oh yes, we're located in Borex, ~25Km from Geneva, Switzerland.

I currently own a S-770, but started with an Amiga (yes!) and then a S-330
(yes again !)

We recorded two tracks on a compilation, and are currently touring &
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On 18 Feb 98 at 14:45, mike p wrote:

> if i might start a little thread.. how many people on this list are
> musicians that have records out by the way? and whats the style? i
> just wonder. ill start: 2 compilation tracks and forthcoming CD/LP
> on fuzzybox records . drum n bass infused shoegazing pop. oh, bands
> called monorail
> 
I have my own label (in the sig) which I've used to put out an EP and 
CD for Naiton of Lies (which is just me).  The band is 
metal/industrial (lots of W30-yea!).  I also have a forthcoming 
CD-Extra for my new metal project, 451.

_______________________________________________
_|ames \/\/. Thomas     ><evious <ommunications
xevious@audiophile.com       xevious@vmicro.com
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Hello,

I'm "MR PIERRE" and I'm playing french pop song with ambient music. I=20
mix my own french songs with live outside recording, loops, guitars,=20
and different stange noise.

I just made a brand new LP CD included a CD ROM part with images,=20
videos, text and music.

I use S550, an old D10, DAT, FX, PC with audio sequencer, 8track=20
tape.
I'm looking for an used sampler with SIMM RAM (AKAI S2000, S2800,=20
Yamaha A3000, EMU, ...) for live concert, also looking for a Mackie=20
1604 (16/4/2).

See my web site:
http://www.mygale.org/00/mrpierre


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mike p <hotrod@grove.ufl.edu> wrote:

>if i might start a little thread.. how many people on this list are
>musicians that have records out by the way? and whats the style? i just
>wonder.
>ill start: 2 compilation tracks and forthcoming CD/LP on fuzzybox records
>. drum n bass infused shoegazing pop. oh, bands called monorail

I've rebirthed my musical career recently. I'm working with a female 
vocalist, with me writing and programming everything besides vocals 
and guitars. We're exploring ethereal/enya genre's as well as 
a slightly harder sound in retro'ing the early Cocteau Twins (Garlands) 
sound. No website yet but I hope to set one up and allow limited MP3 
downloads of our stuff. I'll let the band name out when its registered.

Did I mention the fact that she has the voice *and* the face of an 
angel?

later,

john stuart
cape town
south africa

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>If this is the way you react to simple criticsm, I can imagine what 
>it must be like for a customer who gets a defective product from you.

We replace defective cd's without question. We've done it but twice in 5 
years (our plant spits out pretty high quality product).

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Some people can be so damn stupid...

>EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU SPEAK ABOUT YOUR COMPANY ON THIS LIST, YOU PROMOTE
IT!

ITS CALLED BUSINESS !!! ITS WHAT MAKES THE WORLD TURN !!! GET IT ???

>Sampleheads has its own list... WHY ARE YOU NOT STAYING THERE WITH WHAT
YOUR
>COMPANY IS!

Oh.. So there cant be information anymore for others because YOU dont want
to receive it...
What did you say about arrogance ?

>Or maybe there is not enough people there?...

Is this the 3rd grade "i got more friends than you" variant ? pathetic

>* Wow! Need to explain my point about you and Microsoft?
>I just lumped the atitude the two companies have to cheat people: the way
you
>sell a product without people knowing you're doing it. This is an excellent
>reason for piracy...

Which must mean you are pretty stupid.. What did you do, go to a computer
store and buy all the MS stuff in there
without knowing it and ending up with a bag full of retail packs ? And that
is a reason to pirate software ??

>* There are many cheaper CD's than yours at TIME+SPACE, for example...but
of
>course you must have better quality ones...

Do you own stocks there  ?? *grin*

>In conclusion, of course I wouldn't like my music to be stollen, and will
not
>make piracy my primary ocupation. But if I have in front of me a
Sampleheads
>pirate CD at $4 (the kind of buys we have here in China) and the same
>Sampleheads CD in its original version at $145, guess what...

Oh yeah.. Hypocrisy... look at the above....

My thought.. and mine only...

DJS


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From: Daryn Lehoux <dlehoux@chass.utoronto.ca>
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On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Kevin Hanson wrote:

> I think Jeremy raises excellent points about buying/copying sample CDs. 
> I also think one of the main things he does very well is pricking the
> CONSCIENCE (or LACK thereof) of many list members...  We're basically
> talking about STEALING or NOT stealing someone else's work. 


Anyone who has ever, ever, ever used pirated software can shut the fuck up
about this right now.  Your moral high ground is seething with
self-contradiction.  
 
> PS  For those who "can't tolorate another 'shameless self-promotion'"
> from Jeremy and his company, on most current browsers there exists a
> button titled "Delete" - if one persists it's use can be very
> effective.  (I have NO affiliation to Jeremy & company nor do I own any
> of his CDs, but I wholeheartedly support his arguments)

I know where the delete button is you weenie.  I'm just getting sick of
using it so much these days. 

Why don't you move this whole discussion to private communications between
the few of you who are interested in it?  Please?

-Daryn




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Subject: sgroup Comments on Sample Disks from MidiMark?
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Hi!  Has anyone used any of the S550 disks offered by MidiMark?  If so,
what is your objective opinion about the quality of them?  They're
reasonably priced ($59 for 10), and there are quite a few to choose
from.  Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Paul


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At 10:37 AM 2/19/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi!  Has anyone used any of the S550 disks offered by MidiMark?  If so,
>what is your objective opinion about the quality of them?  They're
>reasonably priced ($59 for 10), and there are quite a few to choose
>from.  Any thoughts?

no.  but, on the same subject, has anyone used any of the Patchman s-550
library?  Patchman's wind synth patches are highly regarded by many on the
wind synth list, so i would have high expectations for these disks, too.
any comments?

otto

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Finnur,

I've been subscing to the last for about 2 weeks.. Didnt see any adds..
So it must not be that frequent.. Anyway.. I think news about (good) sample
cd's are appreciated around these kind of lists (i wouldnt mind receiving an
e once every
2 or 3 mounths about new samplematerial available). And you said it.. he is
INFORMING you.
now.. i thought the internet was (for a lot of people) for supply of
information. So he must not be
blatantly spamming your mailbox with 20 messages a day saying BUY IT BUY IT
DO THIS DO THAT.
The only pollution in my mailbox now is all the comments from everybody
else. That's even worse than advertising.

DJS

>DJ System,
>
>I don't know how long you have been subscribing to the Sgroup,
>but Jeremy Roberts has been informing us regularly with a list of
>his companys products...
>
>Finnur Bjornsson



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>no.  but, on the same subject, has anyone used any of the Patchman
s-550
>library

I've got a couple of the disks (the jazz snares and jazz kit come to
mind).  They are well programmed and useful samples for that genre.

Patchman synth patch disks are the most immediately useable in my
arsenal.  I would imagine that the rest of his patch disks are of equal
quality.

Cheers,

Paul


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Dear 'DJ System' (Frans?),

Please don't misrepresent other peoples messages to the group!

There is nothing in my message which implies any dissatisfaction of
my behalf regarding Jeremy's postings!


Finnur Bjornsson
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>>DJ System,
>>
>>I don't know how long you have been subscribing to the Sgroup,
>>but Jeremy Roberts has been informing us regularly with a list of
>>his companys products...
>>
>>Finnur Bjornsson


>Finnur,
>
>I've been subscing to the last for about 2 weeks.. Didnt see any adds..
>So it must not be that frequent.. Anyway.. I think news about (good) sample
>cd's are appreciated around these kind of lists (i wouldnt mind receiving an
>e once every
>2 or 3 mounths about new samplematerial available). And you said it.. he is
>INFORMING you.
>now.. i thought the internet was (for a lot of people) for supply of
>information. So he must not be
>blatantly spamming your mailbox with 20 messages a day saying BUY IT BUY IT
>DO THIS DO THAT.
>The only pollution in my mailbox now is all the comments from everybody
>else. That's even worse than advertising.
>
>DJS



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mike p wrote:
> > But there are still smoothing filters behind the D/A-converters. Just
> > had a look at the service notes: these seem to be the units labelled
> > FL10 to FL17, K25-J1, FC=14.5kHz.
> 
> AHA! yes! this is what i was talking about.. but these are hardware?
> analog filters? ..if they were digital then i was hoping that they could
> be disabled.. to see what happens at least. but nobody else seems to think
> itll work. :(

The filters are hardware analog filters. They could be bypassed, but I
don't think that would do any good. The sampling rate the D/A-converter
is running at would remain the same.

> someone mentioned a delay/sampler pedal by digitech. i only have real
> inside knowledge of analog delay lines.. but they work exactly this way,
> to change the pitch (delay time) you change the clock frequency. id think
> that at least the simpler digital units, like the mentioned digitech,
> may work the same.

Samplers like the S-330 do not change pitch by changing the real
sampling rate (the rate of the D/A). They interpolate samples digitally.
If they would change the sampling rate they would need a separate D/A
for each voice (i.e. 16 D/As in the case of the S-330), since a
D/A-converter cannot run at several different rates at once.
There were old samplers that indeed did change the sampling rate to
change pitch (for instance the Synclavier AFAIK).

But there's still an advantage using samples of higher sampling rate
than 30kHz on the S-330. When  a 30kHz (rate) sample is played back at
its original pitch there are no freuencies higher than 15kHz in it, as
is the case with samples of higher sampling rates (because of the D/A
sampling rate of the S-330). But if this 30kHz (rate) sample is played
back at, say, one octave lower, there are only frequencies up to 7.5kHz
in it. A 48kHz (rate) sample played back one octave below its original
pitch still could have frequencies up to 12kHz in it.

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Otto Fajen wrote:
> i'm sure that's how you see it.  however, there are others, such as myself,
> who consider sampling to be a small but useful part of the music making
> arsenal and as much for creating our own new samples as using someone
> else's.

I too prefer creating my own sounds. But, when using the sampler, often
I cannot obtain the "raw material" I need with just a microphone...
A sampler still offers lots of possibilities when samples created by
other people are used. Take a short-looped distorted Hammond and use it
for synthesizer-like filter sweeps. Or use a dark vocal sample, layer it
several times at different pitches and do a additive-synthesis-like
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mike p wrote:
> 
> if i might start a little thread.. how many people on this list are
> musicians that have records out by the way? and whats the style? i just
> wonder.

I play in a band named "Trialog", we have made one CD. The style is, hm,
fingerpicking guitar mixed with ethnic music and electronics. I used a
S-330 on that CD but meanwhile I have a S-760.

But hey, isn't that advertising some people don't like here? ;-)
(I don't mind advertising sampling CDs and the like on this list, BTW.)

Ingo


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Another thought:
Yes, sampling CD-ROMs are expensive, but look at the prices for
extension boards for so-called synthesizers which in fact are ROM sample
players (we call them romplers sometimes). An extension board doesn't
contain anything else than a sampling CD-ROM, samples and playback
parameters. A sampling CD-ROM may contain several 100s of megabytes
while an extension board in most cases contains way less. Ok,
manufacturing of a PCB with several ROM chips on it is more expensive
than manufacturing of a CD but this does not justify the high price
IMHO.
How come expansion boards are so expensive? Maybe because they cannot be
pirated so easy?

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>I've got quite a few and think they're pretty good.  Do they sell S-760
>disks also?

It appears that the disks are all in S330 format, so they'd be pretty
rough in a '760, if they're even compatible.

Check out:

http://www.midimark.com/roland.html

For more details.

PS. If it matters, no, I'm not affiliated.  Heck, I haven't even bought
any disks from them yet.  I was just sharing a potential source of
sample disks with the list.
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> But there's still an advantage using samples of higher sampling rate
> than 30kHz on the S-330. When  a 30kHz (rate) sample is played back at
...
> in it. A 48kHz (rate) sample played back one octave below its original
> pitch still could have frequencies up to 12kHz in it.

ahhh. yes, this makes sense. and is of GREAT use to me. i often sample
guitar textures and slow it down, wherein the highs are lost. but if i
sampled on my PC at 48kHz, then use the method i mentioned before.. this
could be really good! for reasons other than my original intentions

thanks
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David,
    If your CD does not explicitly state what it can be used for, assume it
cannot be used for anything.  You may get written permission for samples
you want to use on it...maybe even a letter stating that anything on it may
be used.  Beware!  I don't personally have experience with Future Music
CDs, but, you may be personally held liable for any copyright violations
that you were unaware of.  Let's say the company misrepresented their
license or ownership of the samples on the CD or CD ROM.  Easiest
example...you get permission from the publishing and record companies that
own the rights to "Can't Touch This" to use the background groove loop.
Unless these companies have the right to license the groove that they got
permission for out to you, your license is void.  You must get permission
for both the sound recording copyright and the performance copyright from
the owner (mechanical royalties may also be a problem for you).  The fair
use law may also offer you a defense, but that depends on your use for the
sample.  The courts have tightened the reins on sample
infingements...beware!
    Bottom line...don't "assume" (we all know the famous you & me
expression...it is applicable here).  If there is no definition on what
they can be used for, GET PERMISSION.  Do not let anyone tell you
otherwise...their pockets will not be emptied at the end of the day.
-=adam=-

David Pattee wrote:

> Hello,
>
> With the recent spate of opinions on what constitutes piracy and
> copyright infringements I would like to ask one question, but first...
>
> My opinion:
>
> I have a total of 6 sample cd's with an approximate usefulness index of
> about 3%, and an estimated combined worth of about $800.
>
> Will I ever buy another sample CD. No way. Will I visit a site such as
> EastWest and PAY for ONLY what I want? You bet.
>
> My question is: Are the samples on Future Music's cover CD copyright
> free or are there restrictions involved? I haven't found anything to
> define what they can be used for.
>
> I do find them WAY more useful than any other dedicated CD yet before I
> get to attached to some of my samples that I have obtained from them
> perhaps someone on this list has had experience with this particular CD.
>
> On a side note, those CD's I mentioned above are for sale. You will have
> to take my word that I have made absolutely NO copies, back ups or
> samples of them, either pristine or manipulated.
>
> If you want a run down of what they are please do it privately. They are
> useless to me. I'd rather make my own
>
> dave
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Marcel Prisi wrote:

> Nice idea !! I currently own a S-770, but started with an Amiga (yes!) and
> then a S-330
> (yes again !)

AMIGA !!!!  I did an album w/an Amiga's 8 bit sampling, DSS-8 software, and an
Ensoniq keyboard.


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On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Adam wrote:

> 
> 
> Marcel Prisi wrote:
> 
> > Nice idea !! I currently own a S-770, but started with an Amiga (yes!) and
> > then a S-330
> > (yes again !)
> 
> AMIGA !!!!  I did an album w/an Amiga's 8 bit sampling, DSS-8 software, and an
> Ensoniq keyboard.
> 

Yeah, well I recorded my first full-length tape on an Atari ST (8-bit
sampling), no sequencing software, a CZ-101, some guitar effects pedals,
and a 4-track...  And I'm possibly prouder of that tape than most of what
I've done since.  ;-) 

Both STs and Amigas were *great* music-making machines...  Even if the
software isn't as powerful as what's available today, those machines were
just solid and well-designed...


  -Steve


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I'm not familiar w/the software on the Atari, although I've heard great things
about it.  I think Bars and Pipes Pro for the Amiga is better than the sequencing
programs today.  It was very easy and logical to work with.

Steve Harvey wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Adam wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Marcel Prisi wrote:
> >
> > > Nice idea !! I currently own a S-770, but started with an Amiga (yes!) and
> > > then a S-330
> > > (yes again !)
> >
> > AMIGA !!!!  I did an album w/an Amiga's 8 bit sampling, DSS-8 software, and an
> > Ensoniq keyboard.
> >
>
> Yeah, well I recorded my first full-length tape on an Atari ST (8-bit
> sampling), no sequencing software, a CZ-101, some guitar effects pedals,
> and a 4-track...  And I'm possibly prouder of that tape than most of what
> I've done since.  ;-)
>
> Both STs and Amigas were *great* music-making machines...  Even if the
> software isn't as powerful as what's available today, those machines were
> just solid and well-designed...
>
>   -Steve
>
> --
> http://www.thoughtshop.com/egodeath/
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I received this reply from Mik at SoundLogic regarding the S550 SCSI
interfaces!

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Mik Adams <sndlogic@connectnet.com>
To: Paul Knight <paul.knight@prairiecomm.com>
Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: Roland S550 SCSI?


>Paul Knight wrote:
>>
>> Mik,
>>
>> Hi!  Some time ago, I had inquired about the availability of the SCSI
>> upgrade for the Roland S550 sampler.  You had told me that there
wasn't
>> enough interest in it at that time to make it worth your while.  I
tried
>> to generate some interest in the S550 SCSI upgrade on the Roland
SGroup
>> Mailing List, and was wondering if anyone else has contacted you
about
>> it.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Paul Knight
>> paul.knight@prairiecomm.com
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\o/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(\~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~
>
>Paul,
>
>The number of people interested in the S50/S550 SCSI upgrade is slowly
>growing and so is the likelyhood that we will build a few sometime in
>the future.  As soon as I know something definite, I will let the
Roland
>discussion group know. You will be notified by phone since you are a
>Sound Logic customer.
>
>Hope all is well.  Talk with you later.
>
> <MiK==
>
>Mik Adams
>SOUND LOGIC
>1125 Eleventh Street
>Ramona, CA 92065
>619-484-9817 (Info)
>619-484-9857 (FAX)
>800-753-6558 (Orders)
>mailto:sndlogic@connectnet.com
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WOW COOL!
I did it all with an amiga too.. hehe.. well not anymore.. but you can get a
sound out of that
thing that isnt matched by any sampler I know....And protracker as seq
ofcourse

>Marcel Prisi wrote:
>
>> Nice idea !! I currently own a S-770, but started with an Amiga (yes!)
and
>> then a S-330
>> (yes again !)
>
>AMIGA !!!!  I did an album w/an Amiga's 8 bit sampling, DSS-8 software, and
an
>Ensoniq keyboard.
>
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I'm experiencing a very low level medium pitched "whine" on my S-760's B
outputs. The noise is only audible when you turn the mixer all the way up.
It does however show up in the ProTools meters when a record button is
enabled. The noise appears as a low steady level on the Left meter and an
intermittent blip on the Right channel. When I remove my SCSI chain the
noise is reduced to an intermittent blip on the left channel and disappears
on the right channel.

Through testing has proven that this is definitely not related to the mixer.

The noise is not present on the A outputs.

Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Would anyone have any idea as to what may be the problem.

I'm seriously considering the purchase of a D/A 400 and would like to know
if anyone has experienced any similar problems with noise using the D/A 400.

Thanks
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Heh, I had an Amiga, too, until about a year and a half ago.  Musix-X was
pretty darn good for its time, but I'm in love with Cubase now.

Speaking of which, anybody use Cubase (VST) and notice some of the
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ICQ 4144409 (mention sgroup or Cubase in authorization).  Tks.

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My name is Ben Emerson, I am a Theatrical Sound Designer in Boston, MA.
I use my S-770 largely for what I would call 'sonic composition', using
concrete sounds as well as musical tones for creating sound effects,
sonic textures, as well as more musically driven compositions.  I have
posted an axample on my web site if anyone's interested:

www.members.aol.com/bensounds/BenSounds.htm

The examples are in RealAudio format, and the page includes a link to
the RealPlayer free download site.


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> I have
>posted an axample on my web site if anyone's interested:
>
>www.members.aol.com/bensounds/BenSounds.htm

  leave off the www in Ben's url, just hit
http://members.aol.com..........seems to work best for me...

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Could it be problems generated as a result of some sort of "ground
looping"?
Nyrup.

----------
> Fra: Tim Goodwin <mrsyms@erols.com>
> Til: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca
> Emne: sgroup Noise on S-760's B Outputs
> Dato: 20. februar 1998 19:56
> 
> I'm experiencing a very low level medium pitched "whine" on my S-760's B
> outputs. The noise is only audible when you turn the mixer all the way
up.
> It does however show up in the ProTools meters when a record button is
> enabled. The noise appears as a low steady level on the Left meter and an
> intermittent blip on the Right channel. When I remove my SCSI chain the
> noise is reduced to an intermittent blip on the left channel and
disappears
> on the right channel.
> 
> Through testing has proven that this is definitely not related to the
mixer.
> 
> The noise is not present on the A outputs.
> 
> Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> 
> Would anyone have any idea as to what may be the problem.
> 
> I'm seriously considering the purchase of a D/A 400 and would like to
know
> if anyone has experienced any similar problems with noise using the D/A
400.
> 
> Thanks
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
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>> I'm seriously considering the purchase of a D/A 400 and would like to
>know
>> if anyone has experienced any similar problems with noise using the D/A
>400.
>>



Re: the DA-400. I have been using one for the past four years or so and in
my experience it is much nosier than the outputs a and b, and roland has
acknowledged that to me. However I use mind in an unbalanced situation, and
I have heard that users who use it in balanced enviroments don't have that
problem.
richard sven

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> > I'm experiencing a very low level medium pitched "whine" on my S-760's B
> > outputs. The noise is only audible when you turn the mixer all the way

this reminds me about a "problem" with my s-330. when i turn the resonance
on any of the filters up past about 80 i can hear high pitched wines when
nothing is being played. its only really noticable with the gain way up,
and i don't use super high res that much, but is this normal?

mike


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Tim Goodwin wrote:

>I'm experiencing a very low level medium pitched "whine" on my S-760's B
>outputs. The noise is only audible when you turn the mixer all the way
up.

Do you have a video monitor connected?

If so, try turning off the monitor, and see what happens to the noise.

I found that mine adds a good deal of noise to the outputs.

Dan Phillips
Korg Research and Development
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&gt;I'm experiencing 
a very low level medium pitched &quot;whine&quot; 
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is only audible when you turn the mixer 
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Do you have a video 
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If so, try turning 
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From: Dan Phillips <dan@korgrd.com>
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Richard Sven Patterson wrote:

>Re: the DA-400. I have been using one for the past four years or so and
in
>my experience it is much nosier than the outputs a and b, and roland has
>acknowledged that to me. However I use mind in an unbalanced situation,
and
>I have heard that users who use it in balanced enviroments don't have
that
>problem.

I also have a DA-400, but I use it with balanced TRS cables. As
Richard says, in a balanced setup, I find it to be fine; in fact, at
least in my setup, it is significantly quieter than the built-in
analog outputs. Output level is respectably high; my mixer trims are
set to -10 ref. level for the built-in outputs, and +4 ref. level
for the DA-400.

Best regards,

Dan Phillips
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Lee Vardell wrote:

> > I have
> >posted an axample on my web site if anyone's interested:
> >
> >www.members.aol.com/bensounds/BenSounds.htm
>
>   leave off the www in Ben's url, just hit
> http://members.aol.com..........seems to work best for me...
>
> OOP!  yes, you're quite correct.  Sorry folks, these aol URL's always
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From: "James W. Thomas" <xevious@audiophile.com>
To: cakewalk-l@sunsite.smc.univie.ac.at, sgroup, 2112-users@portal.com,
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A while back I flubbed and posted an incorrect URL for what I feel to 
be a very hnady music calculator that many of you may want to try.  
Here is a response from the author as to the correct URL...

Have fun!
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

Hi James.
You can always find the newest version of MC at: 
ftp.teklab.com/teklab/a3k/software

Version 1.4 is on it's way now.

/Johan
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It does make a change from the copyright thing.
Hangdog make funk & dub influenced breakbeat, with the 
occasional foray into techno. Tracks have appeared on a British 
compilation called Project 1, on Funk 1 and Funk 4 (a South African 
magazine called Get The Funk Out compiles CDs of weird and wonderful 
music), and on the cover CD of UK magazine The Mix a couple of times 
(in accompaniment to reviews).
We are about to do the mastering for our first full CD, which will be 
self-financed. We hope to have it out in a couple of months.

       Terry Engelbrecht
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Hi Sgroup,

I like the introductions idea. :-)

I have a couple of different hats I wear, but mostly I do an ambient
electronic thing with lots of processed sounds, environmental sound, and
noise. I work with acoustic instrumentalists and other media artists,
dancers, film makers, etc. I perform live quite a lot. Lately, I've been
doing these noise environment multichannel sound system shows with a
friend who designs weird midi instruments that control a realtime
synthesis box. I have a CD called Resonance that I released  in 1996 that
is a collaboration with a Flute Player Marion Garver. Just got a good
review of it in the new Billboard Guide to Progressive Music book. I'm
still looking for solid distribution for it Internationally, but have
Canadian retail and some mail-order action happening. I'm recording a new
CD in England with a multi-instrumentalist/producer Robert Lee and
singer/songwriter Rose McDowall that we hope will be out in the fall on
the World Serpent label. It's more pop oriented than most of my stuff
with vocals, guitar and other acoustic goodies, but in a very ambient
noise sort of way...so far.

Shawn Pinchbeck
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hello sgroup!

i have a problem with my w30, and i hope anyone can help me and my w30.
i have installed in my w30 a fujitsu mb89352 (the kw30, like joris cruel told us 
on his homepage), but w30 don´t boot the systemdisk for hd.
the miracle is, that the w30 is working fine with new chip and FD-System 1.10. 
(but not with scsi, cause of FD). and when i put in the HD systemdisk, then it 
worked fine too. (loading sampling, truncating etc.)
the only thing is the booting. the screen told me then "disk error .... 08".
the system disks from roland/germany (w30hdcd v1.10) is the same. no booting, 
but working.
have anyone an hint or idea?
or do is there someone with the same problem?
i hope, someone have an idea (or a systemdisk, that is running) for me.
thanks for answering/helping.
olly
detmold/germany
w30 - live longer and prosper !

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AHA !!! another W30 user !!!!

I got the opposite problem, i can only get it booted with the original disk,
not the 1.1 version.
But on the roland site WWW.ROLAND-US.COM has disks on it (including the HD
version!),
and the SDISK utility to make a W30 disk in a pc floppy drive..
Maybe that's the solution for your problem, just make a new system disk.



hello sgroup!

i have a problem with my w30, and i hope anyone can help me and my w30.
i have installed in my w30 a fujitsu mb89352 (the kw30, like joris cruel
told us
on his homepage), but w30 don´t boot the systemdisk for hd.
the miracle is, that the w30 is working fine with new chip and FD-System
1.10.
(but not with scsi, cause of FD). and when i put in the HD systemdisk, then
it
worked fine too. (loading sampling, truncating etc.)
the only thing is the booting. the screen told me then "disk error .... 08".
the system disks from roland/germany (w30hdcd v1.10) is the same. no
booting,
but working.
have anyone an hint or idea?
or do is there someone with the same problem?
i hope, someone have an idea (or a systemdisk, that is running) for me.
thanks for answering/helping.
olly
detmold/germany
w30 - live longer and prosper !

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In-Reply-To: <memo.350978@cix.compulink.co.uk>

Thank you,  Adam and Aubrey (Statik and Kloppers). I appreciate your help.

Looks like I'll have to order a new LCD screen. I don't want to buy 
another external monitor: I've already got one for my S-750 and it seems 
daft to fill the place up with the things.

What a lousy bit of design!

Peter



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How about connecting the video out of the 750 & the 760 to a switchbox
and one monitor?

>In-Reply-To: <memo.350978@cix.compulink.co.uk>
>Looks like I'll have to order a new LCD screen. I don't want to buy 
>another external monitor: I've already got one for my S-750 and it seems
>daft to fill the place up with the things.



:Peter

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On 24 Feb 98 at 12:33, DJ System wrote:

> TAHA !!! another W30 user !!!!
> I got the opposite problem, i can only get it booted with the
> original disk, not the 1.1 version. But on the roland site
> WWW.ROLAND-US.COM has disks on it (including the HD version!), and
> the SDISK utility to make a W30 disk in a pc floppy drive.. Maybe
> that's the solution for your problem, just make a new system disk.
> 
FWIW, I have a 40mb disk that the W30 boots off of just fine, but an 
80mb that I have to boot off of the floppy with.  I've tried 
everything imaginable, but that's just the way it is for some reason.

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hello sgroup freaks for W30 !!
yesterday i got from roland germany a new system disk, v1.04 for w30hdcd. 
i had the problem, that the systemdisk for w30hd v.1.10 from roland germany, and 
the system disks from joris´w30 homepage, v1.06 and 1.07, is not booted by my 
w30. the funny things is, when i have boot the fd-system, and put in then the  
system disk for HD, it worked fine (loading sampling, truncating, etc). only the 
booting is not done by the w30.
what can i do to boot the higher system, i don´t know what bugs are in version 
1.04!
any idea ??
thanx for answering, and keep on the w30 homepage.
w30 - live longer and prosper!
olly, harke@t-online.de

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introductions? ok, here goes...

i'm a kinda jack-of-all-trades-kinda guy... originally a guitarist, but 
got lost in the wonderland of sampling... nowdays i divide my time 
between live mixing (to pay the bills... :), recording/engineering work 
(to pay even more bills...), programming/sampling work, playing bass and 
guitar, and of course messing around my own different projects (to get 
the bills... :)

my own musical activities tend to center around the group giant robot 
nowdays. we are a moderately loose collective of about 12+ musicians, 
where 6-7 of us form the core group. we have one 12" out 'vinyl record 33 
rpm' out on our own 'hki robotiks' label. the future looks bright, as we 
got a distribution deal to london and we are planning to release 3 more 
12":s in the near future. our music switches gears between dub, hip-hop, 
ambient, d'n'b and some ethnic musics. strangely, the band's newest 
material celebrates 80's style disco/house... hmmm... the gigs are 
usually willfully (is that a word?) chaotic happenings there anything can 
happen. guests come and go, and sometimes the size of the band has 
doubled on stage! needless to say, mixing (i usually do the live mix with 
lot's of effects/dubbing) this band never get's boring! 

my main interest beside gr is my own project kiva, what seems to reinvent 
itself twice every year (check out www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa)  nowdays kiva 
could be descibed as experimental ambient or chaotic ambient. lot's of 
disembodied voices (from all over the place, i still love my walkman pro :)
strange static and washes of sounds, and sometimes hard beats and 
rumbling bass. the band (what also includes my friend veikko) also 
concentrates hard on the visual side. we may release our first cd soon. 
stay tuned, i most likely will put some audio on www.

some technical data:

 - atari megast2 (ataris still rule, as far as sequencing is concerned...)
 - akai s950 (ok, shoot me. i love this old beast... 12bits rules...)
 - roland s760 (got it recently, wondeful...)
 - mackie 24.4 + 1202 boards
 - alesis mmt-8 (for live use... nice'n'easy)
 - some analog oscillators/filter boxes
 - roland d110 (yum yum... i love it! really! i always kinda liked dx7 - 
                ok, shoot me again - and this is kinda dx with filters...)
 - a million effect boxes...


 teemu

:::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html :::::::::::::::
: 'i wanna be a happy person. that's why i have yamaha headphones' ::
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hello w30 freaks!
if anyone is looking for a kw30 for the w30, and has nothing found:
i have what you need:
the scsi-chip from fujitsu (called "the kw30")
the systemdisk
the manual in english!
price: 50.- DM (german marks), plus shipping/transfer and poststamps!
order now!
olly löbbert
c/o musikhaus harke (musicstore "harke")
harke@t-online.de

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Anybody < 30 who loves video games has gotta check out ruumen's title page
below!  Well Done!  Very reminiscent.

tkorpipa@siba.fi wrote:

> introductions? ok, here goes...
>
> i'm a kinda jack-of-all-trades-kinda guy... originally a guitarist, but
> got lost in the wonderland of sampling... nowdays i divide my time
> between live mixing (to pay the bills... :), recording/engineering work
> (to pay even more bills...), programming/sampling work, playing bass and
> guitar, and of course messing around my own different projects (to get
> the bills... :)
>
> my own musical activities tend to center around the group giant robot
> nowdays. we are a moderately loose collective of about 12+ musicians,
> where 6-7 of us form the core group. we have one 12" out 'vinyl record 33
> rpm' out on our own 'hki robotiks' label. the future looks bright, as we
> got a distribution deal to london and we are planning to release 3 more
> 12":s in the near future. our music switches gears between dub, hip-hop,
> ambient, d'n'b and some ethnic musics. strangely, the band's newest
> material celebrates 80's style disco/house... hmmm... the gigs are
> usually willfully (is that a word?) chaotic happenings there anything can
> happen. guests come and go, and sometimes the size of the band has
> doubled on stage! needless to say, mixing (i usually do the live mix with
> lot's of effects/dubbing) this band never get's boring!
>
> my main interest beside gr is my own project kiva, what seems to reinvent
> itself twice every year (check out www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa)  nowdays kiva
> could be descibed as experimental ambient or chaotic ambient. lot's of
> disembodied voices (from all over the place, i still love my walkman pro :)
> strange static and washes of sounds, and sometimes hard beats and
> rumbling bass. the band (what also includes my friend veikko) also
> concentrates hard on the visual side. we may release our first cd soon.
> stay tuned, i most likely will put some audio on www.
>
> some technical data:
>
>  - atari megast2 (ataris still rule, as far as sequencing is concerned...)
>  - akai s950 (ok, shoot me. i love this old beast... 12bits rules...)
>  - roland s760 (got it recently, wondeful...)
>  - mackie 24.4 + 1202 boards
>  - alesis mmt-8 (for live use... nice'n'easy)
>  - some analog oscillators/filter boxes
>  - roland d110 (yum yum... i love it! really! i always kinda liked dx7 -
>                 ok, shoot me again - and this is kinda dx with filters...)
>  - a million effect boxes...
>
>  teemu
>
> :::: e-mail tkorpipa@siba.fi ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> :::: ruumen: http://www.siba.fi/~tkorpipa/ruumen.html :::::::::::::::
> : 'i wanna be a happy person. that's why i have yamaha headphones' ::
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: - lee perry - :::
>
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HuH ?

> - atari megast2 (ataris still rule, as far as sequencing is concerned...)


Where the hell have you been.. on Mars ? Ever heard of VST ? Try that on an
ST.. hah!


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I'm curious what mempory chips an S7609 uses. I'd like to buy a machine and 
wonder how the configuration will afffect the final price.

Anyone have one for sale?

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About two weeks ago Tom said:
 >
 >About 2 years old, with all options and 32 megs. Mint. 
 >
 >$975.00 Buyer Pays Shipping from FL
 >

I enquired about this ad twice and never heard back from Tom. Anyone know 
what happened to him?

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same here!

dennis barton wrote:

> About two weeks ago Tom said:
>  >
>  >About 2 years old, with all options and 32 megs. Mint.
>  >
>  >$975.00 Buyer Pays Shipping from FL
>  >
>
> I enquired about this ad twice and never heard back from Tom. Anyone know
> what happened to him?
>
>    |_e_/~  Dennis Barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com>
>      )     Skylab2000 : Paperboy2000 : Mushroom Nation
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I have an 8 MB SIMM that I don't use anymore for my S760 that I would sell
for real cheap.  It uses Centris 610 type RAM.

Chris

>I'm curious what mempory chips an S7609 uses. I'd like to buy a machine and
>wonder how the configuration will afffect the final price.
>
>Anyone have one for sale?
>
>   |_e_/~  Dennis Barton <70531.2124@compuserve.com>
>     )     Skylab2000 : Paperboy2000 : Mushroom Nation
>   ~\/\    Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
>      /    http://skylab2000.com
>
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Just be very carefull.  There is a DIODE that blew when I took the old
screen out and placed the new screen in.  If yiour screen goes totally lit
up with no display, it is a sign that it is gone.  This is a 22c part, so
don't let your service guy tell you it will cost 100000$$$$$'s :)

On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Peter Brewis wrote:

> In-Reply-To: <memo.350978@cix.compulink.co.uk>
> 
> Thank you,  Adam and Aubrey (Statik and Kloppers). I appreciate your help.
> 
> Looks like I'll have to order a new LCD screen. I don't want to buy 
> another external monitor: I've already got one for my S-750 and it seems 
> daft to fill the place up with the things.
> 
> What a lousy bit of design!
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
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