From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 1 04:21:11 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88200-2>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 04:20:59 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 04:11:26 -0500 Received: from chaplin.rz.uni-frankfurt.de ([141.2.22.74]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 04:10:49 -0500 Received: from 141.2.28.157 by chaplin.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with SMTP (PP) id <22418-0@chaplin.rz.uni-frankfurt.de>; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:03:54 +0100 Message-ID: <309681B3.58B2@stud.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:06:11 -0500 From: Mickey X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S770 & SCSI sample dump Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Marcel-Philippe Prisi wrote: > Does anyone know wether the S-770 will support SCSI sample dump ?? (and > which software to use ?) > > Is there an update planned for its OS ?? Sorry to say this, but... forget it. No chance! The S750/S770 are discontinued and since Roland is not willing to supply enough information about its OS, that one of us can improve it (consider the TX16-W and it's really brillant "hacker"-OS), you are sticked to the current features. I'm very disappointed by Rolands product philosophies. From my point of view, the S-series is no longer an alternative in the professional sampler market. :-( Sorry to say that, but I'm buying an E64. - Mickey - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 1 08:17:00 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-3>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:16:52 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:06:07 -0500 Received: from mailgate.telecom.ie ([159.134.141.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:05:17 -0500 Received: from smtpgw.dundrum.telecom.ie by mailgate.telecom.ie (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18025; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:02:41 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgw id AA815259649 Wed, 01 Nov 95 13:00:49 gmt Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:00:49 -0500 From: emanning@telecom.ie Message-Id: <9510018152.AA815259649@smtpgw> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO An open letter to all Roland Sampler users, I've just read various messages regarding Roland's poor policy on software upgrades and am frankly very annoyed. I, like many others, looked upon the annoyance of booting from a diskette as a necessity to avail of upgrades. My own experience goes back (years) to my purchase of a Roland W30. While the sequencer does "midi sync chase" in play mode, it won't in record mode. This means that if you want to drop in that solo over the last chorus you have to start the song from the beginning - for every take. Now pardon me if I sound unduly negative, but this is a flaw, a bug, an unplanned feature - call it what you will. I informed Roland who said "No major software updates" will be made. And this wasn't recently, but when the machine was only over a year old. Several minor releases came afterwards - none of which cured the problem. I sold the W30. Now I read of the discontinuation of S750/S770 development. I strongly recommend that this group use its lobbying power by weight of numbers and make sure Roland is aware that this is not good enough. I'll vote with my feet for my next sampler purchase. I was interested in an S760 but Roland's "premature ageing" after-sales policy means it would not be a good investment. Ed Manning - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 1 08:54:21 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-1>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:54:08 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:45:30 -0500 Received: from wr.com.au ([203.12.42.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:44:40 -0500 Received: by wr.com.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4-1.0) id AA20980; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 00:43:59 +1100 Message-Id: <9511011343.AA20980@wr.com.au> Subject: sgroup Re: Open Letter To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:43:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9510018152.AA815259649@smtpgw> from "emanning@telecom.ie" at Nov 1, 95 08:00:49 am From: nic@carrot.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} Now I read of the discontinuation of S750/S770 development. I => strongly recommend that this group use its lobbying power by weight of => numbers and make sure Roland is aware that this is not good enough. Jim Norman from Roland reads or used to (are you still there Jim?) read this group. He has copped plenty of it over the time he has been subscribed. This thread comes up every now and again on this group and we all voice our displeasure, but I'm afraid that is all. My guess is that most of this policy is issued from Japan, where culturally no-one wants yesterday's technology, and companies like Roland do not perceive a need to support their existing client base. I would say Japan is unique in this. Most companies I can think of from other countries do recognise the value of their current customers and manage a comprehensive upgrade and support program to keep these customers coming back until the customer has outgrown the product, and not the product the market. However, while Roland Corp. makes lotsa money selling new products (and we all know about musicians' latest technology cravings), I can't see this changing. I think that when purchasing a product one should evaluate the post sales support/upgrade facilities or reputation and add this in to the equation that finally makes the cash fall out of the wallet and into the dealers open arms. :-) For some people, the quality of the product offering outweighs the support factor. They usually regret it when they can't get any spare parts or service on their Volkswagen, cause the company is now making Boeing parts or something (no disrespect to either manufacturer here). So, that's my two cents worth. Pessimistic as it may sound, I don't think that sgroup's lobbying power is that much cop with the decision makers in Japan. I agree, vote with your feet! It's late. Please forgive my (unusual) ramblings. Nic. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 1 17:50:04 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:49:51 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <39>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:37:47 -0500 Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl ([193.78.33.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:36:57 -0500 Received: from xs4all.xs4all.nl (asd04-12.dial.xs4all.nl) by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA23537 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:20:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:20:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199511012220.AA23537@xs1.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: ito@dds.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: "S.R. van Roekel" Subject: sgroup DJ70 systemdisk Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've heard about a new systemdisk for the dj-70 (v1.05). Roland should be distributing the systemdisk, but Roland-europe hasn't heard anything about it; so it's impossible to get it here. Can anyone who has it upload it? S.R.van Roekel "Ik wordt nooit gedist, maar hij wordt nooit gedister," < > "Ik ben een componist, maar hij is componister." Amsterdam,Holland -Mozart +31 20 6188874 e-mail: ito@dds.nl - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 1 22:19:52 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 22:19:40 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 22:07:19 -0500 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu ([128.138.129.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 19:01:09 -0500 Received: (from lyk@localhost) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) id RAA04978; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:00:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 19:00:30 -0500 From: lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu To: Doug Wyatt cc: Tangerine To Hilt , sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Lots of questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO How do I send MIDI info from my PC to my synthesizers? I'm using SoundBlaster Pro, but I'm not sure how to configure it to work...I also have a MIDI adapter for it. But i can't seem to get it working correctly. can anyone help me? On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Doug Wyatt wrote: > At 5:27 10/27/95, Tangerine To Hilt wrote: > > Another thing, can anyone tell me the speed difference between midi > > sample transfer and SCSI sample transfer ? I am wondering if its > > worth installing a SCSI card in my PC. > > MIDI sample dump is no better than 3K/second. Maybe a bit worse (I'm > calculating based on the MIDI baud rate, but there's also handshaking > between the computer and the sampler after every 120 bytes or so). Also 16 > bit sound files are transferred using 24 bits per sample (you have to go > 14-bit to have only 16 bits per sample transferred). So a 100K sound file > occupies 150K when transferred over MIDI, which will take at least 50 > seconds. > > I haven't measured SCSI transfers, but they are much, much, much faster. > That 100K sound file shouldn't take more than 10 seconds at the most, if > even that. > > Doug > > > --- > Doug Wyatt programmer, Opcode Systems Inc. > doug@opcode.com http://www.lightlink.com/doug > "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." > - Albert Einstein > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 2 23:01:36 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-3>; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 23:01:30 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <18>; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 22:48:10 -0500 Received: from relay5.UU.NET ([192.48.96.15]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 22:47:15 -0500 Received: from uucp4.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzoex11805; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 22:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from korgrd.UUCP by uucp4.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 22:47:01 -0500 Received: from korgrd.com by korgrd.korgrd.com (8.6.9/3.3W4-korgrd_950728) id TAA02400; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 19:35:57 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 22:34:17 -0500 From: "Dan" Subject: sgroup Re- Open Letter To: "Roland Samplers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Reply to: Re: Open Letter Ed Manning (uunet!telecom.ie!emanning) writes: > Now I read of the discontinuation of S750/S770 development. I > strongly recommend that this group use its lobbying power by weight of > numbers and make sure Roland is aware that this is not good enough. > > I'll vote with my feet for my next sampler purchase. I was interested > in an S760 but Roland's "premature ageing" after-sales policy means it > would not be a good investment. I understand the writer's frustration, but I think it's misplaced. The S-770 is about five years old; that's quite a long time for an electronic musical instrument. Roland has not sold new S-770's for some years now. With computers, we are certainly used to the idea that it is eventually necessary to purchase new hardware in order to run the latest software. We don't expect Adobe to support the Mac Plus in a 1995 version of Photoshop, for instance. I am very pleased with Roland's continuing support of the S-760. They have been releasing regular maintenance releases, which fix bugs and even occasionally add new features (such as SCSI sample transfers). Roland isn't abandoning these instruments. They will certainly continue to offer technical support and service for many years to come (heck, they helped me out with an 11-year-old Jupiter 6). "Voting with one's feet" is fine, but you won't find another MI company with a substantially different policy -- so you may end up walking a long way. This business is based on hardware, and generally charges very nominal amounts for software upgrades. This means that updates are not a profit center; software development for older instruments does not usually pay for itself. One major upgrade - which the S-770 did in fact receive - is generally all that one can hope for. (Kurzwiel just released a second major upgrade for the K2000, but they have said that it is the last one). After that, if you want new features, expect to buy new hardware. High-end, single-product companies such as New England Digital continued to support older hardware as much as possible, but one payed dearly for the priviledge (both up front and for software updates). Even then, in general, one eventually had to buy new hardware to get the latest and greatest. - Dan - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 3 07:12:37 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-3>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 07:12:22 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <16>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 07:01:03 -0500 Received: from mailgate.telecom.ie ([159.134.141.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 06:59:43 -0500 Received: from smtpgw.dundrum.telecom.ie by mailgate.telecom.ie (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14908; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:58:17 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgw id AA815428541 Fri, 03 Nov 95 11:55:41 gmt Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 06:55:41 -0500 From: emanning@telecom.ie Message-Id: <9510038154.AA815428541@smtpgw> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Re- Open Letter Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO In response to my open letter, Dan feels my frustration is misplaced but I fear he has missed the point of my letter. Sure I wish products could go on forever but I too am a realist. My story regarding the W30 was to point out that it was not an "enhancement" which I sought but a fix for a bug which ultimately led to its premature sale. I accept your point regarding the lack of profitability in updates but feel this is not a justification. My purchase of a W30 was influenced by Roland's promise of the benefit of software fixes. Regarding my long walk to find a better company, complacent acceptance of the industry's policies will not improve the service we ultimately receive. I'm not out to knock Roland specifically, they have a very good track record in other matters, e.g. helpdesk assistance. To replace the W30, I bought a PC sequencer and a used S550 - mainly because of the extensive time I've spent putting a library together. Remember - a sample library is for life, not just for Christmas :-) Ed Manning - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 3 10:13:34 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:13:24 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:03:14 -0500 Received: from amalia.rz.uni-frankfurt.de ([141.2.149.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:02:18 -0500 Received: from mars (actually dialin131.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) by amalia.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with Local SMTP (PP); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:49:39 +0000 Message-ID: <309A2C8E.578D@stud.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 09:51:58 -0500 From: Mickey X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca CC: dan@korgrd.com Subject: Re: sgroup Re- Open Letter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dan wrote: > The S-770 is about five years old; that's quite a long time for an > electronic musical instrument. Roland has not sold new S-770's for some > years now. The S-750 is three years old; that's not very much for a sampler. Samplers definately have longer product cycles than other electronic musical instruments, don't they ? > This business is based on hardware, and generally charges very nominal > amounts for software upgrades. This means that updates are not a profit > center; software development for older instruments does not usually pay > for itself. One major upgrade - which the S-770 did in fact receive - > is generally all that one can hope for. But why not offering technical (OS specific) details of a product, when there won't be additional upgrades from the company itself ? Skilled users can eventually offer a better support for dismissed devices and implement features which are possible to implement but won't be by the company because of the lack of additional profit ? > After that, if you want new features, expect to buy new hardware. Especially if you regard samplers, there are no technical milestones made since all have 48k sampling rate, cool synthesis features, many voices etc. Dismissed products aren't usable anymore only because they're dismissed. But when it's still possible to enhance the usability by simply modifying the operating system, why not trying do achieve that ? -=========================================- - Michael 'Mickey' Lauer - - -=========================================- Win32 / MFC / MIDI - SMTP: mlauer@stud.uni-frankfurt.de - - HTTP: //www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~mlauer - -=========================================- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 3 13:19:27 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-3>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:19:21 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <67>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:10:29 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com ([152.163.172.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:09:40 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA18215 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:09:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:09:33 -0500 From: SkyBry@aol.com Message-ID: <951103130932_97107309@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup S-760 manual Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Has anyone out there heard of a third party manual for the S-760? Roland has always had pathetic manuals in the past, but these manuals are probably the worst I have seen, especially if you have the OP-760-01 upgrade. It's really frustrating to have to deal with these bad translations, and 3 volume basic, advanced, etc...nightmares. On another subject...can we expect to find samples other than the Roland sample library at the sgroup ftp site? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 3 14:24:25 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:24:16 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <111>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:16:43 -0500 Received: from kuikka.inet.fi ([192.89.123.26]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:15:53 -0500 Received: from [193.208.255.192] (user-6-38.dial.inet.fi) by kuikka.inet.fi with SMTP (1.37.109.14/16.2) id AA133986126; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 21:15:26 +0200 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:15:26 -0500 X-Sender: eskora-1@pop.inet.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi (Illusion Rake) Subject: Re: sgroup Re- Open Letter Message-Id: <95Nov3.141553est.15@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Mickey wrote: >The S-750 is three years old; that's not very much for a sampler.= Samplers >definately have longer product cycles than other electronic musical= =20 >instruments, don't they ? Let us be philosophical!! I see sampler as an open-ended music production tool for serious= users. To get all power out of your pro sampler takes time, patience, expensive RAM, storage= units, collecting, creating=20 and buying sound libraries - it means involvement and relationship= similar to marriage!! :) One of the most important things (at least for me) are the sounds available. As a I don=B4t often have an extra time to create sounds from the scratch,= and I would appreciate a good back catalogue of basic sounds (loops, fx, etc.) that you= could easily tweak for your own purposes (which is easy enough, thanx for the monitor= and the mouse), and save the whole setup on your hard disk. It=B4s obvious even now that it is hard to find any ready-to-go CD-ROMS= for 750/770 - just because=20 S-760 can read AKAI format disks. A great feature indeed. Could the= 750/770 OS be modified, please, to support Akai format ???? In other case the future seems quite haunting for trusty 750/770= users. 8-( Illusion Rake jingles & music producer Provoice Oy / Duda Records Hameenlinna Finland rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 3 15:34:29 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:34:24 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:24:00 -0500 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu ([128.138.129.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:23:10 -0500 Received: (from lyk@localhost) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) id NAA23677; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:21:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:21:29 -0500 From: lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu To: Illusion Rake cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Re- Open Letter In-Reply-To: <95Nov3.141553est.15@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Don't anyone use S-550 anymore? I can't find sounds for it at all. I mean sounds that aren't in the factory library. On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Illusion Rake wrote: >=20 > Mickey wrote: >=20 > >The S-750 is three years old; that's not very much for a sampler. Sample= rs > >definately have longer product cycles than other electronic musical=20 > >instruments, don't they ? >=20 > Let us be philosophical!! >=20 > I see sampler as an open-ended music production tool for serious users. T= o > get all power > out of your pro sampler takes time, patience, expensive RAM, storage unit= s, > collecting, creating=20 > and buying sound libraries - it means involvement and relationship simila= r > to marriage!! :) >=20 > One of the most important things (at least for me) are the sounds > available. As a > I don=B4t often have an extra time to create sounds from the scratch, and= I > would appreciate > a good back catalogue of basic sounds (loops, fx, etc.) that you could > easily tweak > for your own purposes (which is easy enough, thanx for the monitor and th= e > mouse), and save > the whole setup on your hard disk. >=20 > It=B4s obvious even now that it is hard to find any ready-to-go CD-ROMS f= or > 750/770 - just because=20 > S-760 can read AKAI format disks. A great feature indeed. Could the 750/7= 70 > OS be modified, > please, to support Akai format ???? >=20 > In other case the future seems quite haunting for trusty 750/770 users. 8= -( >=20 >=20 > Illusion Rake > jingles & music producer > Provoice Oy / Duda Records > Hameenlinna Finland > rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca >=20 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 3 15:57:51 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:57:44 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:49:37 -0500 Received: from opal.spawar.navy.mil ([192.26.7.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:48:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil by opal.spawar.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08526; Fri, 3 Nov 95 15:45:06 EST Received: from cc:Mail by smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil id AA815442488; Fri, 03 Nov 95 15:44:38 EST Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:44:38 -0500 From: ramsayd@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil Encoding: 82 Text Message-Id: <9510038154.AA815442488@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil> To: rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi, lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-550 sounds (was: Re[2]: sgroup Re- Open Letter) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Got plenty of non-factory sounds for it, by trading with others, converting S-50 and W-30 sounds to S-550 sounds. There was a library created by the users of this group a few years ago. What ever happened to it? Doug ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: sgroup Re- Open Letter Author: lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu at smtp-gw Date: 11/3/95 3:38 PM Don't anyone use S-550 anymore? I can't find sounds for it at all. I mean sounds that aren't in the factory library. On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Illusion Rake wrote: >=20 > Mickey wrote: >=20 > >The S-750 is three years old; that's not very much for a sampler. Sample= rs > >definately have longer product cycles than other electronic musical=20 > >instruments, don't they ? >=20 > Let us be philosophical!! >=20 > I see sampler as an open-ended music production tool for serious users. T= o > get all power > out of your pro sampler takes time, patience, expensive RAM, storage unit= s, > collecting, creating=20 > and buying sound libraries - it means involvement and relationship simila= r > to marriage!! :) >=20 > One of the most important things (at least for me) are the sounds > available. As a > I don=B4t often have an extra time to create sounds from the scratch, and= I > would appreciate > a good back catalogue of basic sounds (loops, fx, etc.) that you could > easily tweak > for your own purposes (which is easy enough, thanx for the monitor and th= e > mouse), and save > the whole setup on your hard disk. >=20 > It=B4s obvious even now that it is hard to find any ready-to-go CD-ROMS f= or > 750/770 - just because=20 > S-760 can read AKAI format disks. A great feature indeed. Could the 750/7= 70 > OS be modified, > please, to support Akai format ???? >=20 > In other case the future seems quite haunting for trusty 750/770 users. 8= -( >=20 >=20 > Illusion Rake > jingles & music producer > Provoice Oy / Duda Records > Hameenlinna Finland > rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca >=20 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 3 16:10:42 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-3>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:10:36 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:58:45 -0500 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu ([128.138.129.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:57:37 -0500 Received: (from lyk@localhost) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) id NAA03565; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:53:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:53:36 -0500 From: lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu To: ramsayd@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil cc: rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S-550 sounds (was: Re[2]: sgroup Re- Open Letter) In-Reply-To: <9510038154.AA815442488@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO others? i don't know any others? hehe well I'll trade with whoever wants to trade S-550 sounds, or S-50 or W-30 too.!! On Fri, 3 Nov 1995 ramsayd@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil wrote: > > Got plenty of non-factory sounds for it, by trading with others, converting S-50 > and W-30 sounds to S-550 sounds. There was a library created by the users of > this group a few years ago. What ever happened to it? > > Doug > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: sgroup Re- Open Letter > Author: lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu at smtp-gw > Date: 11/3/95 3:38 PM > > > Don't anyone use S-550 anymore? I can't find sounds for it at all. > I mean sounds that aren't in the factory library. > > > On Fri, 3 Nov 1995, Illusion Rake wrote: > > >=20 > > Mickey wrote: > >=20 > > >The S-750 is three years old; that's not very much for a sampler. Sample= > rs > > >definately have longer product cycles than other electronic musical=20 > > >instruments, don't they ? > >=20 > > Let us be philosophical!! > >=20 > > I see sampler as an open-ended music production tool for serious users. T= > o > > get all power > > out of your pro sampler takes time, patience, expensive RAM, storage unit= > s, > > collecting, creating=20 > > and buying sound libraries - it means involvement and relationship simila= > r > > to marriage!! :) > >=20 > > One of the most important things (at least for me) are the sounds > > available. As a > > I don=B4t often have an extra time to create sounds from the scratch, and= > I > > would appreciate > > a good back catalogue of basic sounds (loops, fx, etc.) that you could > > easily tweak > > for your own purposes (which is easy enough, thanx for the monitor and th= > e > > mouse), and save > > the whole setup on your hard disk. > >=20 > > It=B4s obvious even now that it is hard to find any ready-to-go CD-ROMS f= > or > > 750/770 - just because=20 > > S-760 can read AKAI format disks. A great feature indeed. Could the 750/7= > 70 > > OS be modified, > > please, to support Akai format ???? > >=20 > > In other case the future seems quite haunting for trusty 750/770 users. 8= > -( > >=20 > >=20 > > Illusion Rake > > jingles & music producer > > Provoice Oy / Duda Records > > Hameenlinna Finland > > rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > >=20 > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat Nov 4 01:46:39 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:46:29 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:38:12 -0500 Received: from mail.st.rim.or.jp ([202.255.181.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:37:21 -0500 Received: from 202.247.133.83 (ppp683.st.rim.or.jp [202.247.133.83]) by mail.st.rim.or.jp (8.7.1+2.6Wbeta4/3.4Wbeta6-rim1.1) with SMTP id PAA24033; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:36:58 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199511040636.PAA24033@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: Jun Enoki Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:34:57 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re> Re: sgroup S770 & SCSI sample dump X-Mailer: MailConnect v1.1 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi sgroup, >Sorry to say this, but... forget it. No chance! The S750/S770 are discontinued and since Roland is not willing to supply enough information about its OS, that one of us can improve it (consider the TX16-W and it's really brillant "hacker"-OS), you are sticked to the current features.< I talked with a local music dealer and they say "There _is_ a small utility program written by Roland USA which supports scsi dump between mac and s750/770 samplers. This software has never been released officially, but you could find it somewhere. It has been around here for years. And it also works with s760." Has anybody heard of this story? The person who told me this claims he actually owns it, although he says he will never give me a copy of it. Personally I am tired of waiting the release of new ReCycle which is supposed to support s760 scsi. Maybe s760 2.20 os supports scsi dump, but actually nobody can enjoy this feature without ReCycle... Am I right? Jun Enoki - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat Nov 4 07:22:31 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:22:17 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:08:13 -0500 Received: from lili.cyber.ch ([194.148.6.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:06:42 -0500 Received: from mprisi.cyber.ch (cpu2.cyber.ch [194.148.6.2]) by lili.cyber.ch (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15526 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 13:11:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:11:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199511041211.NAA15526@lili.cyber.ch> X-Sender: mprisi@cyber.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Marcel-Philippe Prisi Subject: Re: sgroup Re- Open Letter Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO At 22:34 02/11/1995 -0500, you wrote: > Reply to: Re: Open Letter > >Ed Manning (uunet!telecom.ie!emanning) writes: > >> Now I read of the discontinuation of S750/S770 development. I >> strongly recommend that this group use its lobbying power by weight of > >> numbers and make sure Roland is aware that this is not good enough. >> >> I'll vote with my feet for my next sampler purchase. I was interested > >> in an S760 but Roland's "premature ageing" after-sales policy means it > >> would not be a good investment. > >I understand the writer's frustration, but I think it's misplaced. > >The S-770 is about five years old; that's quite a long time for an >electronic musical instrument. Roland has not sold new S-770's for some >years now. > >With computers, we are certainly used to the idea that it is eventually >necessary to purchase new hardware in order to run the latest software. >We don't expect Adobe to support the Mac Plus in a 1995 version of >Photoshop, for instance. I think this is totally stupid, we live in society of consomation, and everyone says it's not good. I am perfectly pleased with the possibilities and performances of my S-770, I can't see any other piece of hardware that would be more satisfying in the ROI (Return Of Investment) point of view. So I think it's not because my S-770 is quite old that I _have_ to change it !! >I am very pleased with Roland's continuing support of the S-760. They >have been releasing regular maintenance releases, which fix bugs and >even occasionally add new features (such as SCSI sample transfers). What will you say when they'll abandon the S-760 ?? >Roland isn't abandoning these instruments. They will certainly continue to >offer technical support and service for many years to come (heck, they >helped me out with an 11-year-old Jupiter 6). In a way they are: the S-770&S-750 are now like children that won't grow anymore ... I'm perfectly sure that we haven't pushed the S-7?0's to their limits, there are still many things to develop ... the Jupiter is another thing : How to update it's OS? >"Voting with one's feet" is fine, but you won't find another MI company >with a substantially different policy -- so you may end up walking a >long way. > >This business is based on hardware, and generally charges very nominal >amounts for software upgrades. This means that updates are not a profit >center; software development for older instruments does not usually pay >for itself. One major upgrade - which the S-770 did in fact receive - >is generally all that one can hope for. (Kurzwiel just released a >second major upgrade for the K2000, but they have said that it is the >last one). > >After that, if you want new features, expect to buy new hardware. So you think this is normal ?? I think Roland is trying to make money on our back !! they don't care what we think or like !! If they don't want to continue development of OS for S-770, why don't they let us do ?? It wouldn't cost so much !! a simple mail with technical datum at sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca ... They won't do that because they want us to buy ($$$$$$$$) new products !! >High-end, single-product companies such as New England Digital >continued to support older hardware as much as possible, but one payed >dearly for the priviledge (both up front and for software updates). >Even then, in general, one eventually had to buy new hardware to get >the latest and greatest. > Do you really think the S series of Roland is their major source of benefits ?? I don't ... It's just a nice image of their serious work, for people to think "Waoh !! they are the greatest !! Look at that piece of hardware !! I'm gonna buy a nice little Roland keyboard for my daughter at Christmas !!". I think they'd better treat us better, as we are a kind of testbed for tomorrow's popular technology !! >- Dan > - Marcel ______________________________________________________________________________ +------------------+---------------------------------------------------------+ | Marcel Prisi | CyberNet Telecommunications Roulin & Berney | | | Av. de France 98 CH - 1004 LAUSANNE | | Marketing & | Tel: +41 (0)21 683.01.81 Fax: +41 (0)21 683.01.88 | | Public Relation | | | Manager | Technical Hotline (From Switzerland Only) 157.50.96 | +------------------+---------------------------------------------------------+ | E-Mail:mprisi@cyber.ch | | HTTP://www.cyber.ch/cybernet/french/marcel/marcel.html | | ** PGP signature on request ** | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat Nov 4 17:20:12 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 17:20:07 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 17:08:23 -0500 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu ([128.252.120.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 17:07:18 -0500 Received: from wups.fold by wugate.wustl.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA03970; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 16:07:09 -0600 Received: by wups.fold (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21472; Sat, 4 Nov 95 16:06:01 CST Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 16:58:43 -0500 From: Paul Scott 894-1533 Subject: Re: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca To: emanning@telecom.ie Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9510018152.AA815259649@smtpgw> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Ed, here's another vote in agreement with you. Roland is notorious for releasing new products on a regular basis and almost immediately afterwards,discontinuing support for the last models. If you're buying something like a Sound Canvas synth with fixed ROM sounds in it,this isn't so much of an issue - because it always does exactly what it is supposed to do and has no issue of an operating system to load up from disk,etc. I don't need or expect future upgrades for my Roland JV-30 Sound Canvas synth...... On the other hand,I also own an S-50 sampler,and I'm totally unimpressed with the way Roland left S-50 users hanging shortly after it came out. After opening the unit up and checking out the insides,I'm convinced that this unit has the potential of being upgraded quite a bit (things like adding more RAM to it,replacing the 720K floppy drive with a 1.44 meg. high-density drive which could hold twice the number of patches,more like an S-550 does,adding a SCSI port to it,and so on). Unfortunately,Roland would rather not consider selling us any upgrades like this - and expects us to just dump the S-50s completely and buy their latest model instead. I don't have the money to spend on all the latest music stuff,and would much rather spend a little here and there to upgrade what I've got. If I ever do save up money for another big sampler purchase,it sure won't be for a Roland! I'm looking at the Kurzweil though..... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat Nov 4 19:37:50 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 19:37:39 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 19:27:37 -0500 Received: from f15.pix.za ([196.11.62.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 19:26:31 -0500 Received: from net-21.pix.za (net-21.pix.za [196.11.62.149]) by f15.pix.za (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA26638 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 1995 02:26:37 +0200 Message-Id: <199511050026.CAA26638@f15.pix.za> X-Sender: pak05238@pixie.co.za (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 20:31:43 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) From: Noel.da.Costa@pixie.co.za (Noel da Costa) Subject: sgroup Sample CDs Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hey, Does anyone know where I can order Sample CDs from? I'm in South Africa, so they need to handle international orders.=20 Many thanks. Adios, Noel =20 =20 /!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\ /| Noel.da.Costa@pixie.co.za |"Be carefull where you aim, |\ =20 || Tel: +27 (11) 726-1733 | Because where you aim you || |/ Fax: +27 (11) 726-1772 | just might hit." \| /| Johannesburg, South Africa | |\ ||_____________________________|_______U2=B0"Dirty Day"________|| =20 |/-----------------------------------------------------------\| /_____________________________________________________________\ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat Nov 4 22:49:49 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 22:49:41 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <39>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 22:37:27 -0500 Received: from alaska.magpage.com ([204.179.92.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:25:18 -0500 Received: from modem011.magpage.com by alaska.magpage.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA22960; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:31:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:31:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199511041731.MAA22960@alaska.magpage.com> X-Sender: borg@magpage.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: borg@magpage.com Subject: sgroup Hammond B3 samples needed!! 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From: Myles Wakeham To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >I need some good Hammond B3 organ sounds before my band goes into the >recording studio in December.. The B3 samples that come on the Roland S760 Sampler CD that's included with the unit are fantastic. Myles +------- MYLES WAKEHAM, Technologist, Music Producer, Engineer... ---------+ | AUSTRALIA U.S.A. | | P.O. Box 394, 23705 Vanowen Street, #112 | | Prospect SA 5082 West Hills CA 91307 | +------------------------( mylesw@dove.mtx.net.au )------------------------+ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 04:07:51 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:07:48 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 03:37:07 -0500 Received: from sara.telepost.no ([193.212.240.44]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 03:36:15 -0500 X400-Received: by mta gw.telepost.no in /PRMD=internet/ADMD=telemax/C=no/; Relayed; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:33:53 +0100 X400-Received: by /ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:37:28 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:35:06 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:31:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 02:31:16 -0500 X400-Originator: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no X400-Recipients: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/;2719 95/11/06 08:31] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2719 95/11/06 From: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no Message-ID: <"2719 95/11/06 08:31*/G=axel/S=strand/O=ad/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@ MHS> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: sgroup W-30 and Syquest HDs or Zip drives Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Has anybody out there tried to use a SyQuest removable SCSI disk or a Zip drive with a W-30? In case, does it work? Thanks. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 04:38:48 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:38:39 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id EAA22836 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:38:38 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <37>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:20:00 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com ([198.68.32.51]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <23>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:19:09 -0500 Received: from usr6.primenet.com (root@usr6.primenet.com [198.68.32.16]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id CAA06790 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 02:19:54 GMT Received: from [204.212.59.12] (ip012.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.12]) by usr6.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA24942 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 02:18:52 -0700 (MST) X-Sender: mrn@mailhost.primenet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:25:17 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: mrn@primenet.com (Mark R. Nathan) Subject: sgroup Sucess with Roland -> Mac Transfer? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just bought a used Roland s-330 and am trying to get it to recognize when Alchemy 3.0 (Macintosh editor) is calling for it. can't seem to work it out without the sampler freezing on me. Has anyone had success at this or any other related Roland Sampler to Computer transfers? Any special protocols or chants I should sing before attempting another try? BTW, who the *#&$ wrote the manual for this machine? I think my pet gerbal could do a better job! Regards, Mark Nathan mrn@primenet.com _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ Mark R. Nathan http://www.primenet.com/~mrn mrn@primenet.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 10:59:29 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:59:18 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:32:23 -0500 Received: from mail2.digital.com ([204.123.2.56]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:31:16 -0500 Received: from us2rmc.zko.dec.com by mail2.digital.com; (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA01765; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 06:34:34 -0800 Received: from dregs.enet by us2rmc.zko.dec.com (5.65/rmc-22feb94) id AA01337; Mon, 6 Nov 95 09:31:42 -0500 Message-Id: <9511061431.AA01337@us2rmc.zko.dec.com> Received: from dregs.enet; by us2rmc.enet; Mon, 6 Nov 95 09:31:42 EST Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:31:42 -0500 From: General MIDI 06-Nov-1995 0920 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Apparently-To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup My take on the "Roland Open Letter" stuff Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I think the bottom line issue here is not so much whether Roland is in the right or the wrong, but how they compare to other companies. I have purchased MANY Roland products. My feeling is that Roland products typically are the strongest in price/performance and in sound quality. However, I also think that Roland cuts the strings to owners of old products MUCH sooner than most of the other big MIDI manufacturers. I remember buying a Roland U-220 over a Proteus largely because of the ROM card slots and Roland's advertising of the library of sounds I would have access to, compared with being stuck with whatever happened to built into the Proteus. And how many ROM cards did Roland come out with: about a dozen or so, some of which were cards which brought U-220 samples to U-110 owners (i.e. of no use to U-220 owners). I also was dissappointed (but not surprised) with how quickly the S-50 stuff was cut-off. It boils down to this. Anyone who advocates not buying Roland solely on this basis is not looking at the larger picture. My suggestions: 1) Never EVER buy anything that only promises to eventually have what you need. I.E. don't buy "vaporware". 2) If you value price/performance and sound quality above "upgradeability" (as you reasonably might) then Roland is worth considering. 3) If you value upgradeability above other things than I would not consider Roland. In fairness to Roland, they can point to some architectures where they have done well in that regard, but the point is that (in my opinion) "in general" they don't do as well as other companies. 4) If your expectation is to be treated with new upgrade options much past 4 or 5 years, your expectations aren't likely to be met by ANY company. I've often wondered why there isn't much of an after market today like there used to be for (say) the Mirage, and the D-50. Just my opinion, Dave Blickstein One-time owner/user of: U-220, S-550, SRV-2000, MT-32, RD-300, RCE-10, TD-7, GP-8, GP-16, etc. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 13:36:58 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:36:51 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <67>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:25:30 -0500 Received: from christopher.INS.CWRU.Edu ([129.22.8.185]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:24:39 -0500 Received: (aa699@localhost) by christopher.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id NAA22025; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:24:24 -0500 (from aa699) Message-Id: <199511061824.NAA22025@christopher.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:24:24 -0500 From: aa699@Cleveland.Freenet.EDU (Tony Thomas) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup My take on the "Roland Open Letter" stuff Reply-To: aa699@Cleveland.Freenet.EDU (Tony Thomas) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Reply to message from blickstein@dregs.ENET.dec.com of Mon, 06 Nov > >I also was dissappointed (but not surprised) with how quickly the S-50 >stuff was cut-off. > It was amazing since Roland promised upgradability in their advertising campaign for the S-50. I purchased the S-550 about six years ago and Roland halted S-550 development within months of my purchase and debuted the 700 series. As there are no development tools for the S-50 or 550 and the specs were never published, there is no way that third party developers could support these devices either. Thus, the promise of future upgrades from any manufacturer is generally a shallow one, especially when that manufacturer makes money on hardware, not software. If you are looking for open architecture and software upgradability, look at a computer-based sampling system using sound cards which are much less expensive to upgrade. -- aa699@Cleveland.Freenet.EDU - TONY THOMAS - The Thomas Group Integrated Communications Solutions SIGop Audio Arts SIG - Cleveland FreeNet - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 14:35:38 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:35:27 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <111>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:26:00 -0500 Received: from beachmus.demon.co.uk ([158.152.168.188]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:25:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:12:51 -0500 From: GARDENS@beachmus.demon.co.uk (Sue Gardener) Reply-To: GARDENS@beachmus.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <1638@beachmus.demon.co.uk> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup .WAV to S760 X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 8 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Can anyone tell me how to load a WAV file from my PC to my S760? I run Cakewalk Pro v2 as my sequencer. My PC has an Adaptec SCSI adapter. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Gardener gardens@beachmus.demon.co.uk *** BeachMusic: Life's a reach and then you gybe *** --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 15:05:52 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:05:45 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id PAA03867 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:05:33 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:55:11 -0500 Received: from huey.disney.com ([204.128.192.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:54:13 -0500 Received: from cc.wdi.disney.com ([139.104.100.251]) by huey.disney.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA11306 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: Steve_Petitt@cc.wdi.disney.com Received: from cc:Mail by cc.wdi.disney.com id AA815687614; Mon, 06 Nov 95 11:45:00 pst Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:45:00 -0500 Message-Id: <9510068156.AA815687614@cc.wdi.disney.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Brian Layzell, are you out there? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Brian, You responded to my post for the DT-100, but every one of my e-mail's to you has been returned.Could you give me your phone # so I can contact you if you're still interested in buying one of these? Steve - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 16:10:36 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:10:29 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id QAA18705 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:10:22 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:59:08 -0500 Received: from tribeca.ios.com ([198.4.75.48]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:58:30 -0500 Received: from [206.20.1.57] (ppp-57.ts-5.hck.idt.net [206.20.1.57]) by tribeca.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA03742 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:54:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:54:35 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: petea@tribeca.ios.com (Pete Ankelein) Subject: sgroup S-760...cutting up a sample...? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Does anybody know how to cut up a partial (sample) and save them as separate samples: For example, say you have a partial of a vocal bit, saying "Keep it moving" assigned to one key....how does one cut/edit the partial into separate pieces and assign them within the sampler?..i.e. "keep" goes to one key...."it" to another...."moving" to a third. The manual is a bit sketchy about this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 17:06:24 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:06:10 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:55:26 -0500 Received: from huey.disney.com ([204.128.192.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:54:36 -0500 Received: from cc.wdi.disney.com ([139.104.100.251]) by huey.disney.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA21867 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: Steve_Petitt@cc.wdi.disney.com Received: from cc:Mail by cc.wdi.disney.com id AA815694823; Mon, 06 Nov 95 13:45:05 pst Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:45:05 -0500 Message-Id: <9510068156.AA815694823@cc.wdi.disney.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Brian Layzell, are you there? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Brian?, You responded to a post regarding the DT-100's for sale. I've attempted to e-mail you three times now, but my mail is returned. If you're still interested, e-mail me with your voice #, and I'll call you to discuss shipping arrangements. Steve - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 18:36:46 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:36:40 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <18>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:24:14 -0500 Received: from hp1.online.apple.com ([192.215.65.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:23:23 -0500 Received: by hp1.online.apple.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA13733 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:23:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:23:14 -0500 From: ColinWebber@eworld.com Message-ID: <951106152124_17955416@hp1.online.apple.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup cutting up samples Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO From: petea@tribeca.ios.com "X-From: petea@tribeca.ios.com (Pete Ankelein) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Does anybody know how to cut up a partial (sample) and save them as separate samples: For example, say you have a partial of a vocal bit, saying "Keep it moving" assigned to one key....how does one cut/edit the partial into separate pieces and assign them within the sampler?..i.e. "keep" goes to one key...."it" to another...."moving" to a third. The manual is a bit sketchy about this. Any help would be greatly appreciated." The only way I know is to copy the sample and edit it seperately, or use a computer based editor to do so. Colin. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 6 18:56:07 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:56:01 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id SAA28149 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:55:46 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <39>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:46:22 -0500 Received: from relay5.UU.NET ([192.48.96.15]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:45:30 -0500 Received: from uucp1.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzotb17380; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from korgrd.UUCP by uucp1.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:45:18 -0500 Received: from korgrd.com by korgrd.korgrd.com (8.6.9/3.3W4-korgrd_950728) id PAA14307; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:49:15 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:46:24 -0500 From: "Dan" Subject: FWD>RE>sgroup S-760...cutti To: "Pete Ankelein" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Reply to: FWD>RE>sgroup S-760...cutting up a sample...? Pete Ankelein (uunet!tribeca.ios.com!petea) writes (re the 760): > Does anybody know how to cut up a partial (sample) and save them as > separate samples: For example, say you have a partial of a vocal bit, > saying "Keep it moving" assigned to one key....how does one cut/edit > the partial into separate pieces and assign them within the > sampler?..i.e. "keep" goes to one key...."it" to another...."moving" to > a third. There may be another way, but... I do this by first duplicating the Sample (*not* the Partial), and then editing the copied Samples as desired, setting new start and end points and truncating as necessary. Each Sample then is assigned to its own Partial, which may then be assigned to the keyboard as desired. - Dan - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 7 01:58:35 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-3>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:58:26 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id BAA13883 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:58:24 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:48:59 -0500 Received: from f15.pix.za ([196.11.62.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:47:47 -0500 Received: from net-22.pix.za (net-22.pix.za [196.11.62.150]) by f15.pix.za (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA13453; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:47:27 +0200 Message-Id: <199511070647.IAA13453@f15.pix.za> X-Sender: pak05238@pixie.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 05:55:54 -0500 To: ColinWebber@eworld.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) From: Noel.da.Costa@pixie.co.za (Noel da Costa) Subject: Re: sgroup cutting up samples Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Does anybody know how to cut up a partial (sample) and save them as >separate samples: For example, say you have a partial of a vocal bit, >saying "Keep it moving" assigned to one key....how does one cut/edit the >partial into separate pieces and assign them within the sampler?..i.e. >"keep" goes to one key...."it" to another...."moving" to a third. The >manual is a bit sketchy about this. Any help would be greatly appreciated." >The only way I know is to copy the sample and edit it seperately, or use a >computer based editor to do so. Most samplers allow you to specify the start and end points of the sample for a particular tone. What I mean is that the sample data is stored seperately to tone data and you can assign the same sample data to different tones using different tone parameters. On the W-30 (I assume it would be similar on the rest of the Roland samplers - you have'nt specified which sampler you use) I would copy the tone twice, giving me three seperate tones. Then I would edit the sample start and end points of each tone, effectively chopping up the sample so that each of the three tones plays a different section on it. On the W-30 tones are arranged as components of patches within in which I can assign different tones to different keys. So in summery, I would'nt try and edit the actual sample data, I would mess about with how you implement that data in a variety of tones. I know the AKAI S- samplers work on a similar principle too. Adios, Noel =20 =20 /!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\ /| Noel.da.Costa@pixie.co.za |"Be carefull where you aim, |\ =20 || Tel: +27 (11) 726-1733 | Because where you aim you || |/ Fax: +27 (11) 726-1772 | just might hit." \| /| Johannesburg, South Africa | |\ ||_____________________________|_______U2=B0"Dirty Day"________|| =20 |/-----------------------------------------------------------\| /_____________________________________________________________\ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 7 02:11:12 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:11:01 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <16>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:57:53 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com ([198.68.32.51]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:48:07 -0500 Received: from usr5.primenet.com (root@usr5.primenet.com [198.68.32.15]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA27286 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:48:45 GMT Received: from [204.212.59.142] (ip142.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.142]) by usr5.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA03377 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:47:39 -0700 (MST) X-Sender: mrn@mailhost.primenet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:54:10 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: mrn@primenet.com (Mark R. Nathan) Subject: Re: sgroup cutting up samples Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO ->Does anybody know how to cut up a partial (sample) and save them as ->separate samples: For example, say you have a partial of a vocal bit, ->saying "Keep it moving" assigned to one key....how does one cut/edit the ->partial into separate pieces and assign them within the sampler?..i.e. ->"keep" goes to one key...."it" to another...."moving" to a third. The ->manual is a bit sketchy about this. Any help would be greatly appreciated." ->The only way I know is to copy the sample and edit it seperately, or use a ->computer based editor to do so. Easily..as long as you have enough memory. 1. Copy and rename two identicle samples of what you want to chop 2. Truncate and cut each word from sample you want. 3. assign to a key Buy a S-3000 from Akai :-> Regards, Mark Nathan _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ Mark R. Nathan http://www.primenet.com/~mrn mrn@primenet.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 7 04:48:45 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 04:48:39 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 04:31:24 -0500 Received: from cc2.itea.unit.no ([129.241.183.75]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 04:30:28 -0500 Received: from ccMail by cc2.itea.unit.no (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 09f28000; Tue, 7 Nov 95 10:33:52 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 04:42:14 -0500 Message-ID: <09f28000@ktek.unit.no> From: Jon.Jenssen@ktek.unit.no (Jon.Jenssen) Subject: Re[2]: sgroup cutting up samples To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO ->Does anybody know how to cut up a partial (sample) and save them as ->separate samples: For example, say you have a partial of a vocal bit, ->saying "Keep it moving" assigned to one key....how does one cut/edit the ->partial into separate pieces and assign them within the sampler?..i.e. ->"keep" goes to one key...."it" to another...."moving" to a third. The ->manual is a bit sketchy about this. Any help would be greatly appreciated." ->The only way I know is to copy the sample and edit it seperately, or use a ->computer based editor to do so. >Easily..as long as you have enough memory. On the S-550 (and the S330 and W-30 as well I guess) you can do this without using any extra sample memory. Let's say that you sample "Keep it moving" is tone I11 and that tone I12, I13 and I14 is blank. What you do is: Select tone I12, and say that this is a sub-tone of I11, that is, set the Tone parameter "Sub" of I12 to I11, that is I12 and I11 use the same sample. Now, you can adjust the starting and ending points of I12 (by using the loop-screen), f.eks. to just include "keep". Next, do the same with I13 (to include just "it") and I14 (to include just "moving"). DO NOT truncate I12, I13 and I14, as they use the same sample. Also, adjust pitch etc for each tone (f.ex. turning Pitch Follow off might be useful...) Now, you can use the split-command from the edit meny and assign the samples I12, I13 and I14 to whatever keys you want. I use this method quite a lot, and it's quite convenient as you don't have to use any extra sample memory while processing. Greetings from Norway, Jon Jenssen. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 7 05:40:17 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 05:40:01 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id FAA01216 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 05:39:50 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 05:31:41 -0500 Received: from xmission.xmission.com ([198.60.22.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 05:29:58 -0500 Received: from slc27.xmission.com (slc27.xmission.com [204.228.136.27]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA15022 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 03:29:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199511071029.DAA15022@xmission.xmission.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "michael moncur" Organization: not usually To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:29:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: sgroup cutting up samples Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > >Easily..as long as you have enough memory. > > On the S-550 (and the S330 and W-30 as well I guess) you can do this > without using any extra sample memory. I can confirm that this works on the S330 and W-30... As far as I'm aware, the lowly S-10 is the only Roland machine that doesn't do something of the sort. -- ...michael moncur, mgm@xmission.com - http://www.xmission.com/~mgm 'Men have become the tools of their tools.' -- Henry David Thoreau - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 7 06:46:50 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-3>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:46:45 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:36:21 -0500 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net ([158.152.1.64]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:35:30 -0500 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by relay-4.mail.demon.net id sg.aa25327; 7 Nov 95 11:18 GMT Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by relay-3.mail.demon.net id sg.aa25237; 7 Nov 95 11:18 GMT Received: from bagpuss.argonaut.com by argonaut.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0tCj22-0003hdC; Tue, 7 Nov 95 08:05 GMT Received: from BAGPUSS/MAILQ by bagpuss.argonaut.com (Mercury 1.21); 7 Nov 95 09:10:05 +0 Received: from MAILQ by BAGPUSS (Mercury 1.21); 7 Nov 95 09:10:00 +0 From: Tangerine To Hilt Organization: Argonaut Software Ltd To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 04:09:52 -0500 Subject: sgroup Akai samples !!!! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-ID: <37F84F8285D@bagpuss.argonaut.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm very sorry for using the 'A' word but I need a program that will read Akai floppy disks into either PC or MAC- not to get the samples but to store the image of the disk so it can be copied using my computer as I DONT have an Akai. I've already tried Sdisk(PC) and DART(MAC) but neither like the sodding disks. Or, if you know of any places on the net where Akai users chat and hang out, can you point me in that direction ? Many thanks. justin@argonaut.com ................... : london.uk : :.................: - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 7 09:16:13 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:16:06 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:07:10 -0500 Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl ([193.78.33.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:06:35 -0500 Received: from xs4all.xs4all.nl (asd04-00.dial.xs4all.nl) by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA04134 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:06:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:06:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199511071406.AA04134@xs1.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: ito@dds.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: "S.R. van Roekel" Subject: Re: sgroup .WAV to S760 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO At 02:12 PM 11/6/95 -0500, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me how to load a WAV file from my PC to my S760? > >I run Cakewalk Pro v2 as my sequencer. My PC has an Adaptec SCSI adapter. There are different ways of doing this: 1. By using the sampledump option; you let the computer send the wav-file by midi to your s760. Soundforge and Samplevision are capable of doing this. 2. If the s760 can read w30 disks you do the following: download w30utils.zip from the Uwaterloo-server. Format a 720kb-disk on your s760. Use winit.exe (from w30utils.zip) to initialise that disk on your pc. Now type: wput yourwavefile.wav. Then convert load them into your s760. The bad thing about this method is that you can only use samples <720kb. S.R.van Roekel "Ik wordt nooit gedist, maar hij wordt nooit gedister," < > "Ik ben een componist, maar hij is componister." Amsterdam,Holland -Mozart +31 20 6188874 e-mail: ito@dds.nl - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 7 18:40:00 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:39:55 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <18>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:28:46 -0500 Received: from hp1.online.apple.com ([192.215.65.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:27:57 -0500 Received: by hp1.online.apple.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA08419 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:27:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:27:39 -0500 From: ColinWebber@eworld.com Message-ID: <951107152733_18031536@hp1.online.apple.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup trasfering operating system Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Can someone explain the procedure for transferring the S760 operating system as posted on the ftp site from the Mac to the s760. I tried copying onto a "system" format disk using smac, but without success. Thanks, Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 8 10:35:34 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:35:26 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id KAA13547 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:35:25 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:24:45 -0500 Received: from mailgate.telecom.ie ([159.134.141.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:23:53 -0500 Received: from smtpgw.dundrum.telecom.ie by mailgate.telecom.ie (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07817; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:22:16 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgw id AA815872836 Wed, 08 Nov 95 15:20:36 gmt Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:20:36 -0500 From: emanning@telecom.ie Message-Id: <9510088158.AA815872836@smtpgw> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Listing an S550 diskette's contents. Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I now find myself with a much tailored and cut down S550 sample library but it's still 200 disks. I want a PC utility (similar to SAMDISK) which will read a batch of diskettes and produce a text listing of the relevant parameters. My problem with SAMDISK is that it doesn't seem to list patch size (only tone size), the number of tones per patch and even an optional listing of which tones are used in each patch. Has anyone already developed such a program? If not, can anyone point me in the right direction? I can program (at a push) but am unfamiliar with disk I/O in C to read a binary diskette. Ed Manning - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 8 12:24:34 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-3>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:24:18 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id MAA09860 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:24:11 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:13:18 -0500 Received: from tribeca.ios.com ([198.4.75.48]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:12:29 -0500 Received: from [206.20.1.44] (ppp-44.ts-5.hck.idt.net [206.20.1.44]) by tribeca.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28601 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:08:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:08:24 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: petea@tribeca.ios.com (Pete Ankelein) Subject: sgroup Sample dump...S-760 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I was just wondering if any S-760 owners have tried loading sounds via sample dump standard from the Akai S1000 series to the S-760. How did it turn out? Also....has anyone tried reading the Akai CD-Roms with a 760 as well? Just curious.... Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 8 16:02:13 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:02:07 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id QAA15243 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:01:57 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:52:21 -0500 Received: from beachmus.demon.co.uk ([158.152.168.188]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <24>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:51:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:05:28 -0500 From: GARDENS@beachmus.demon.co.uk (Sue Gardener) Reply-To: GARDENS@beachmus.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <1656@beachmus.demon.co.uk> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup .WAV to S760 X-Mailer: PCElm 1.10 Lines: 13 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thanks for the suggestions folks. Not wishing to pay out lots for soundforge/samplevision/re-cycle, I tried the W30UTILS approach. The S760 will recognise W30 disks, but not the ones created by my PC using WINIT and WPUT unfortunately. Maybe its because I'm formatting on an S760 rather than a W30. Oh well! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Gardener gardens@beachmus.demon.co.uk *** BeachMusic: Life's a reach and then you gybe *** --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 09:17:11 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:17:06 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id JAA32261 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:17:00 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:01:16 -0500 Received: from sirius.wye.ac.uk ([192.195.117.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:59:36 -0500 Received: from microlab1.wye.ac.uk (microlab1.wye.ac.uk [192.195.116.60]) by sirius.wye.ac.uk (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA12384 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:59:00 GMT Received: from MICROLAB1/SpoolDir by microlab1.wye.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 9 Nov 95 14:01:52 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MICROLAB1 (Mercury 1.21); 9 Nov 95 14:01:48 GMT Received: from [192.195.116.200] by microlab1.wye.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 9 Nov 95 14:01:41 GMT X-Sender: pbb_mb@microlab1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:58:43 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: pbb_mb@wye.ac.uk (Mark A Bennett) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO does anyone Know of a way to load K2000 sounds into something/program I might be able to get into my S760?(I run a Mac).... Thanks MArk. =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4 There is a value in making mistakes The trick is forming a coherent whole. =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 11:25:58 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:25:50 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <39>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:15:56 -0500 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:14:46 -0500 Received: from david by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tDZYC-000JfUC; Thu, 9 Nov 95 11:10 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Thu, 9 Nov 95 11:05:19 EST Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: From: David A.Roth ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted From: To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Sucess with Roland -> Mac Transfer? Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:05:19 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-ID: <0105009A.cf47f0@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO In Regards to your letter : > > Just bought a used Roland s-330 and am trying to get it to recognize when > Alchemy 3.0 (Macintosh editor) is calling for it. can't seem to work it > out without the sampler freezing on me. > > Has anyone had success at this or any other related Roland Sampler to > Computer transfers? Any special protocols or chants I should sing before > attempting another try? > > BTW, who the *#&$ wrote the manual for this machine? I think my pet > gerbal could do a better job! > > Regards, > > Mark Nathan > mrn@primenet.com Your gerbal is hired! :-) I'm a Mac user and although I don't use Alchemy, in the early days I played with SYSEX for the S-330. I will assume that Alchemy knows what a S-330 is from the SYSEX point of view. Making that assumption you might want to go to the MIDI page on the S-330 and enable all the options. Also, look at what the device ID is set to. It your S-330 is working through MIDI to be used with a sequencer or keyboard ok, then it is likely the MIDI set-up on the S-330. Also, examine and verify your Alchemy set-ups with your S-330. Doing a sample dump on a S-330 is not a standard thing that is supported, so there might be some touchy configuration to do it. Anyone who doesn't think so should look in the SYSEX part of the S-330 manual sometime. With all the packet exchanges I felt like I was looking at BX.25 or something. :-) David A. Roth david@roth-music.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 11:39:19 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:39:15 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id LAA14228 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:39:12 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <18>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:25:43 -0500 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <37>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:15:04 -0500 Received: from david by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tDZYC-000JfXC; Thu, 9 Nov 95 11:10 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Thu, 9 Nov 95 11:13:38 EST Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: From: David A.Roth ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted From: To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S50, SYSEX Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:13:38 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-ID: <0105009A.cf4n22@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO In Regards to your letter <95Nov8.084910est.16@lotus.uwaterloo.ca>: > > Can anyone tell me how to initiate a SYSEX dump on a S50? > There is a menu item that lets you turn on/off SYSEX and set the device ID, > but I can't see how to initiate a dump.... You can't. At least not that way. According to the SYSEX part of the S-330 manual (like the S-50) it doesn't support standard midi sample dump. You need a software package that does this because of the packet exchanges. It is not like dumping patches from a synth on this system, it requires an exchange between the machine. Think of it more like a communications protocol like UUCP, xmodem, zmodem or kermit and you get the idea. David A. Roth david@roth-music.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 12:20:46 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-3>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:20:37 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <37>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:11:19 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:51:24 -0500 Received: from opal.spawar.navy.mil ([192.26.7.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:50:35 -0500 Received: from smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil by opal.spawar.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11662; Thu, 9 Nov 95 09:47:00 EST Received: from cc:Mail by smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil id AA815939401; Thu, 09 Nov 95 09:44:16 EST Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:44:16 -0500 From: ramsayd@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil Encoding: 34 Text Message-Id: <9510098159.AA815939401@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, pbb_mb@wye.ac.uk (Mark A Bennett) Subject: sgroup Re: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have the same question. K2K files have the .krz extension. The only conversion program I know of is Convert 1.4B, but it's DOS. Doug ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Author: pbb_mb@wye.ac.uk (Mark A Bennett) at smtp-gw Date: 11/9/95 9:24 AM does anyone Know of a way to load K2000 sounds into something/program I might be able to get into my S760?(I run a Mac).... Thanks MArk. =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4 There is a value in making mistakes The trick is forming a coherent whole. =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 12:33:28 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:33:19 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <67>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:20:16 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:18:25 -0500 Received: from dialin.ind.net ([157.91.128.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:16:51 -0500 Received: from PLC (port9.mhill.ind.net) by dialin.ind.net (4.1/9.5jsm) id AA28409; Thu, 9 Nov 95 09:17:52 EST Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:17:51 -0500 X-Sender: dsublett@dialin.ind.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Daryl Sublette Subject: sgroup S50 Disks Message-Id: <95Nov9.091651est.18@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Anyone know where I can find all of the S50 disks? ================================================================ Daryl Sublette dsublette@dialin.ind.net Info / Telecom Dept. Pilot Industries, North Vernon, In. 47265 PILOT!NORTHVERNO!DarylS@pilotind.attmail.com ================================================================ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 12:47:16 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:47:12 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:35:17 -0500 Received: from mailgate.telecom.ie ([159.134.141.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <24>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:33:19 -0500 Received: from smtpgw.dundrum.telecom.ie by mailgate.telecom.ie (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18847; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:15:27 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgw id AA815966021 Thu, 09 Nov 95 17:13:41 gmt Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:13:41 -0500 From: emanning@telecom.ie Message-Id: <9510098159.AA815966021@smtpgw> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Sysex call for an S550 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm using Cakewalk for Windows and would like to use Sysex to store samples and the sequence together in a .WRK file. I know it's slow over midi so I was wondering if its possible to just load/dump S550 patches. Do anyone know the sysex data to do this? If not, how about the sysex to load/dump the whole bank? I can't make it out from the Roland manual. Ed Manning - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 13:24:47 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:24:34 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id NAA13062 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:24:29 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <111>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:13:57 -0500 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com ([130.13.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <24>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:13:05 -0500 Received: from lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.109.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01873 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:12:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from shaker.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (shaker.ecte.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.35.190]) by lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (8.6.11/uswc-hub.950320) with SMTP id LAA01698 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:13:25 -0700 Received: by shaker.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (5.x/uswc-solaris-server.950106) id AA14749 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:14:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:14:10 -0500 From: Keith Lewis Message-Id: <9511091814.AA14749@shaker.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S50 Disks In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Daryl Sublette ' dated: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:17:51 -0500 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > Anyone know where I can find all of the S50 disks? > ================================================================ > Daryl Sublette > dsublette@dialin.ind.net > Info / Telecom Dept. > Pilot Industries, North Vernon, In. 47265 > PILOT!NORTHVERNO!DarylS@pilotind.attmail.com > ================================================================ > I asked this same question several weeks ago and got no response. All I can find at the ftp site is S-550 stuff. Is the S-50 stuff out there anywhere? Keith Lewis kjlewis@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com kjlewis@dash.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 14:58:32 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:58:27 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:47:56 -0500 Received: from opal.spawar.navy.mil ([192.26.7.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <24>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:47:07 -0500 Received: from smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil by opal.spawar.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18163; Thu, 9 Nov 95 14:43:43 EST Received: from cc:Mail by smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil id AA815957124; Thu, 09 Nov 95 14:38:37 EST Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:38:37 -0500 From: ramsayd@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil Encoding: 38 Text Message-Id: <9510098159.AA815957124@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, Keith Lewis Subject: Re[2]: sgroup S50 Disks Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I got all my S50 samples from the sgroup archive months ago. Last I looked they were still there, but I can't find them now . Anyway, e-mail rebmug@tribeca.ios.com (Joe Gumber). He and I were supossed to be trading sounds (I have a S-550) , but we somehow lost track of each other. He has the whole library. I, too, have some I haven't conveted to S-550 format. Doug ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: sgroup S50 Disks Author: Keith Lewis at smtp-gw Date: 11/9/95 1:52 PM > > Anyone know where I can find all of the S50 disks? > ================================================================ > Daryl Sublette > dsublette@dialin.ind.net > Info / Telecom Dept. > Pilot Industries, North Vernon, In. 47265 > PILOT!NORTHVERNO!DarylS@pilotind.attmail.com > ================================================================ > I asked this same question several weeks ago and got no response. All I can find at the ftp site is S-550 stuff. Is the S-50 stuff out there anywhere? Keith Lewis kjlewis@lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com kjlewis@dash.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 17:05:59 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:05:48 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id RAA08413 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:05:37 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:53:42 -0500 Received: from relay5.UU.NET ([192.48.96.15]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <24>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:50:59 -0500 Received: from uucp4.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzpdv22986; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from korgrd.UUCP by uucp4.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:50:42 -0500 Received: from korgrd.com by korgrd.korgrd.com (8.6.9/3.3W4-korgrd_950728) id NAA17750; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:48:27 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:50:34 -0500 From: "Dan" Subject: sgroup Re: None To: "Roland Samplers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Reply to: RE>None uunet!wye.ac.uk!pbb_mb (Mark A Bennett) writes: > does anyone Know of a way to load K2000 sounds into something/program I > might be able to get into my S760?(I run a Mac).... There's a Mac program called Transfer Station (from Interval Music Systems, at 310-478-3956) which may do the trick, but I'm not sure. The program will read directly from S-700 series and S-1000 CD-ROMs into the Mac, and will do SCSI sample transfers from S-760 (not 770 or 750), S-1000, S-3000, K2000, K2500, EIV, E-64, ESI-32, and Peavey samplers. It also lets you use a Mac internal CD-ROM drive directly from the S-760 (and perhaps the 770 and 750 as well - don't know). So, you wouldn't need a separate CD-ROM drive for the sampler. They sell the program direct for $149. - Dan - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 9 18:23:19 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:23:14 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <166>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:13:46 -0500 Received: from alaska.magpage.com ([204.179.92.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <162>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:13:12 -0500 Received: from modem007.magpage.com by alaska.magpage.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA17889; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:19:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:19:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199511092319.SAA17889@alaska.magpage.com> X-Sender: borg@magpage.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: borg@magpage.com Subject: sgroup S-760 to W-30 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Is there any way to change formats of tones/patches form a S-760 to W-30 format??? I need some Hammond B3 organ samples for Decmeber when my band goes back into the recording studio. Some people have replied to me saying that they have Hammond B3 organ samples, but for the S-760... But I have a W-30.... Is there a program than can change S-760 sounds to the W-30 format??? **************************************************************************** ******************************* For info & bookings contact: * ** G A N G S T E R P U M P **Jeremy (302)239-5156 | Jeremy2470@aol.com * ******************************* OR * ** Delaware Ska-Core ** Jeff (302)239-2209 | borg@magpage.com * ******************************* * * Try our NEW & COOL web page! 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Last I looked they > were still there, but I can't find them now . Anyway, e-mail > rebmug@tribeca.ios.com (Joe Gumber). He and I were supossed to be trading sounds > (I have a S-550) , but we somehow lost track of each other. He has the whole > library. I, too, have some I haven't conveted to S-550 format. > > Doug > > In looking for the S-50 lib, I was really looking for one disk in particular. It was a tone wheel organ disk called tone wheel action (right off the top of my head I can't remember the number). I can use S-550 disks, so if there is a tone wheel organ on S-550 format, do you know what number it is? Thanks, Keith - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 10 11:08:35 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:08:19 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <189>; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:51:38 -0500 Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl ([193.78.33.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <187>; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:50:48 -0500 Received: from xs4all.xs4all.nl (asd04-06.dial.xs4all.nl) by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA21561 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:50:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:50:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199511101550.AA21561@xs1.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: ito@dds.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: "S.R. van Roekel" Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 to W-30 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO At 06:19 PM 11/9/95 -0500, you wrote: >Is there any way to change formats of tones/patches form a S-760 to W-30 >format??? > >I need some Hammond B3 organ samples for Decmeber when my band goes back >into the recording studio. Some people have replied to me saying that they >have Hammond B3 organ samples, but for the S-760... But I have a W-30.... > >Is there a program than can change S-760 sounds to the W-30 format??? > This is what you do: you use convert1.4 (search for convert.zip or convert14.zip) to extract the samples from the s-disk'ed s-760-disk as .wav-files. Then use the w30-utils from the Uwaterloo-server too copy those .wav-files to a w30 disk. and you'll have them on your w30. ------------------------------------cut--here------------------------------- ---------- S.R.van Roekel "Ik ben nooit gedist, maar hij is nooit gedister," < > "Ik ben een componist, maar hij is componister." Baarsjeswg 276 "Kijk daarom uit, bruid hij dolt je je kerk uit, " Amsterdam, Holland "Terug in de keuken, en ga aan je werk bruid." +31.20.6188874 "Luister dus snollen, jullie koppen gaan rollen, " If Busy.6180873 "Als jullie soms dachten dat je ons kon dollen." << e-mail: ito@dds.nl >> -Amadeus Mozart's "Twee echt wat? Musici op pad." << try visiting Ito w.h.q. http://www.xs4all.nl/~niet >> -------------------------------------or--here------------------------------- ---------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat Nov 11 03:19:51 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:19:37 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id DAA30392 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:19:29 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:08:59 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com ([198.68.32.51]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:08:02 -0500 Received: from usr6.primenet.com (root@usr6.primenet.com [198.68.32.16]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA05279 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [204.212.59.183] (ip183.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.183]) by usr6.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id BAA21855 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:07:28 -0700 (MST) X-Sender: mrn@mailhost.primenet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:14:00 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: mrn@primenet.com (Mark R. Nathan) Subject: sgroup Upgrade options? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello there folks. I own an S-330 and was qurious to what upgrade options I may or may no have for the sampler. Anything? Memory, balanced outs, scsi interface? Thanks! Mark Nathan mrn@primenet.com _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ Mark R. Nathan http://www.primenet.com/~mrn mrn@primenet.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun Nov 12 19:42:39 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 19:42:29 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 19:14:21 -0500 Received: from tribeca.ios.com ([198.4.75.48]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 19:13:31 -0500 Received: from [206.20.1.59] (ppp-59.ts-5.hck.idt.net [206.20.1.59]) by tribeca.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA07993 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 19:09:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 19:09:09 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: petea@tribeca.ios.com (Pete Ankelein) Subject: sgroup SMAC conversion question... Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Just had a question regarding the sgroup FTP site and converting with SMAC. I tried to download the current o/s for the S-760 and various S-770 samples. When converting, SMAC would give me a message saying something regarding "Disk memory being wrong" (or some such thing) and a prompt asking if I wanted to continue....so I would. Anyways, after loading the samples, I'd find that only one would work out of the bunch I downloaded. The others would be nothing but blips. When I tried the new o/s disk, my 760 gave gave me a bunch of binaries (1's and 0's), then an error reading. Has anyone else had this problem and possibly figured out a solution? Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 13 03:46:49 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:46:44 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id DAA11337 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:46:42 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:31:33 -0500 Received: from sara.telepost.no ([193.212.240.44]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <23>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:30:35 -0500 X400-Received: by mta gw.telepost.no in /PRMD=internet/ADMD=telemax/C=no/; Relayed; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:27:26 +0100 X400-Received: by /ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:31:07 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:28:57 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:26:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 02:26:15 -0500 X400-Originator: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no X400-Recipients: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/;2798 95/11/13 08:26] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2798 95/11/13 From: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no Message-ID: <"2798 95/11/13 08:26*/G=axel/S=strand/O=ad/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@ MHS> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 to W-30 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO At 06:19 PM 11/9/95 -0500, you wrote: >Is there any way to change formats of tones/patches form a S-760 to W-30 >format??? > >I need some Hammond B3 organ samples for Decmeber when my band goes back >into the recording studio. Some people have replied to me saying that they >have Hammond B3 organ samples, but for the S-760... But I have a W-30.... > >Is there a program than can change S-760 sounds to the W-30 format??? > The following was posted on usenet resently: "A far as I know, the Roland 7xx series uses "preemphasis" on all of their samples. This is similar to a digital version of "Dolby". The problem is if you don't decode the samples, they are unusable. I'm not sure why Roland did this. It may affect the sound of the sampler (it may be why it's a good-sounding sampler) but I think another reason is to prevent pirating. You really cant do SCSI dumps of samples to/from Roland 7xx samplers. You have to re-sample them. " - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 13 04:12:29 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 04:12:18 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:47:59 -0500 Received: from tribeca.ios.com ([198.4.75.48]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <23>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:46:53 -0500 Received: from [206.20.1.53] (ppp-53.ts-5.hck.idt.net [206.20.1.53]) by tribeca.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA25536 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:42:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 03:42:08 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: petea@tribeca.ios.com (Pete Ankelein) Subject: sgroup Updated SMAC Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I was just informed by Terje that that there was an updated version of SMAC that reads HD floppies. Can someone email me the version that will work with S-760 floppies? Thanks in advance. Re'z, Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 13 06:38:47 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-3>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 06:38:38 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id GAA01403 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 06:38:34 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <37>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 06:28:37 -0500 Received: from stargate.ansaldo.it ([151.89.15.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <23>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 06:28:03 -0500 Received: by stargate.ansaldo.it (8.7/SMI-4.1) id MAA14216; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:28:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from ns.ansaldo.it(151.89.1.1) by stargate.ansaldo.it via smap (V1.3) id sma014210; Mon Nov 13 12:27:48 1995 Received: from ari.ansaldo.it by ansaldo.it (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA23954; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:24:11 +0100 Received: by ari.ansaldo.it (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14791; Mon, 13 Nov 95 12:26:01 +0100 From: pvalle@ari.ansaldo.it (Paolo Vallebona ) Message-Id: <9511131126.AA14791@ari.ansaldo.it> Subject: sgroup Hello To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 06:25:58 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello everybody! this is my first message to this list. My name is Paolo Vallebona, and I live in Genova, Italy. I have an S-330 and an S-550 with the Roland SCSI interface. I tried connecting the S-550 to a removable 44Meg Syquest through the SCSI, but I can't make it work. Would anyone help me please ? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 13 14:33:46 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:33:41 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:22:17 -0500 Received: from relay5.UU.NET ([192.48.96.15]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:21:42 -0500 Received: from uucp5.UU.NET by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP id QQzpsf13467; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from korgrd.UUCP by uucp5.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:21:33 -0500 Received: from korgrd.com by korgrd.korgrd.com (8.6.9/3.3W4-korgrd_950728) id LAA22024; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:13:30 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:16:40 -0500 From: "Dan" Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 to W-30 To: "Roland Samplers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Reply to: RE>>sgroup S-760 to W-30 uunet!ad.dep.telemax.no!axel.strand writes: > The following was posted on usenet resently: > > "A far as I know, the Roland 7xx series uses "preemphasis" on all of their > samples. This is similar to a digital version of "Dolby". The problem is > if you don't decode the samples, they are unusable. I'm not sure why > Roland did this. It may affect the sound of the sampler (it may be why > it's a good-sounding sampler) but I think another reason is to prevent > pirating. You really cant do SCSI dumps of samples to/from Roland 7xx > samplers. You have to re-sample them. " This over-states the case. The pre-emphasis is basically a mild high shelving eq boost; the de-emphasis is a corresponding mild cut. I know of at least one major sample developer who starts work on a Roland sampler, and then exports the samples to other platforms. He likes the slightly brighter sound which results from the emphasis without de-emphasis. This issue applies not only to exporting Roland samples to other manufacturer's instruments, but also to importing samples into the S-7xx series (e.g., Akai samples). Basically, imported samples will play back with de-emphasis; since the sample was recorded without emphasis, it will be slightly muted. It is possible to add or remove emphasis as a destructive edit to the sample; this option is available in the sample edit pages, along with the destructive high and lowpass filtering operations. However, adding emphasis also adds gain. This means that you may need to scale back the gain of the sample to avoid clipping, making it somewhat of a trial-and-error operation. Overall, I've found adding emphasis to be too time-consuming to be practical when converting a large number of samples. In talking to Roland tech support, they have said that emphasis (for imported Akai sounds, for instance) may be simulated by adding 3-4 dB of 6kHz shelving. This is the default frequency for the high eq, so either they were planning for this when they set up the software, or the tech support guys just tried the default and it sounded OK. It's certainly much easier than adding emphasis to every sample. - Dan - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 13 20:18:29 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-2>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:18:19 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id UAA06915 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:18:12 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <18>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:05:55 -0500 Received: from gold.interlog.com ([198.53.145.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:05:06 -0500 Received: from howbru.interlog.com (howbru.interlog.com [205.206.73.253]) by gold.interlog.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA17130 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:05:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199511140105.UAA17130@gold.interlog.com> X-Sender: howbru@mail.interlog.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:47:22 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: howbru@interlog.com (Shiga) Subject: sgroup I want to be a part of the club Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO My name is John Shiga. I bought a used Roland W-30 this past summer and have had extremely bad luck trying to find a source for samples. So I hope you guys are for real. I would like to join as soon as possible by sending a disk I've made of original samples. But I need to know if the W-30 formatted disks are OK as I don't have any S-series disks yet. Can you tell me where to send the disk too. If possible, could you tell me how much postage (American dollars) is required on the return envelope so you can send me nine or ten disks in Toronto Canada. My address: John Shiga 9 Willis Drive Aurora, Ontario Canada L4G 5N8 By the way, have you any idea what type of hard drive is compatible with the W-30's scci port. I called Roland the other day and they said they didn't know. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 14 13:52:44 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:52:38 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <39>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:34:36 -0500 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu ([128.138.129.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:33:27 -0500 Received: (from lyk@localhost) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) id LAA06641; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:32:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:32:41 -0500 From: lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu To: Shiga cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup I want to be a part of the club In-Reply-To: <199511140105.UAA17130@gold.interlog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Do you have a computer, because it would be alot easier to just transfer the files through the internet. You don't want to spend lots of money mailing the disks when you can just download the file in just minutes and then transfer them onto your sampler. Beats waiting for the mailman to get to your house. hehe On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Shiga wrote: > My name is John Shiga. I bought a used Roland W-30 this past summer and > have had extremely bad luck trying to find a source for samples. So I hope > you guys are for real. I would like to join as soon as possible by sending > a disk I've made of original samples. But I need to know if the W-30 > formatted disks are OK as I don't have any S-series disks yet. > > Can you tell me where to send the disk too. > > If possible, could you tell me how much postage (American dollars) is > required on the return envelope so you can send me nine or ten disks in > Toronto Canada. > > > My address: > > John Shiga > 9 Willis Drive > Aurora, Ontario > Canada L4G 5N8 > > By the way, have you any idea what type of hard drive is compatible with the > W-30's scci port. I called Roland the other day and they said they didn't know. > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 14 14:10:27 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:10:17 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <16>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:54:02 -0500 Received: from alaska.magpage.com ([204.179.92.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:53:09 -0500 Received: from modem020.magpage.com by alaska.magpage.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA05648; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:54:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:54:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199511141854.NAA05648@alaska.magpage.com> X-Sender: borg@magpage.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: howbru@interlog.com (Shiga) From: borg@magpage.com Subject: Re: sgroup I want to be a part of the club Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >My name is John Shiga. I bought a used Roland W-30 this past summer and >have had extremely bad luck trying to find a source for samples. I do most of my own sampling... But I sample tv/movie dialog, drum loops, and other noises for my band... >So I hope you guys are for real. Yes.. This is for real... >Can you tell me where to send the disk too. I believe you need to upload them to server lotus.UWaterloo.ca to the sgroup directory.. Check it out... >By the way, have you any idea what type of hard drive is compatible with the >W-30's scci port. I called Roland the other day and they said they didn't >know. Of course not.. Roland are a bunch of idiots... I got a 80MB Quantum hard drive for my W-30 about 3 years ago from a third party company.. Not sure if they are still in business though... I BELIEVE, all you need to do is get a Mac-compatible hard drive and build your own box if you want to do it yourself (might be cheaper).. My 80MB hard drive holds 64 disks in it.. 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It is in mint condition. It has only been used sparingly and only at home. Included with the W30 are 30+ disks worth of samples, a hard case, keyboard stand, all cables and necessary hookup equipment, a DP2 pedal, and two Roland MA-12 monitor speakers. I'm asking $1000 or best offer. If interested or if you have any further questions you can email me at stumcbri@acs.eku.edu. Geoff - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Nov 14 23:48:54 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:48:47 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:36:53 -0500 Received: from watserv1.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.128.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:36:00 -0500 Received: from sequoia.itd.uts.EDU.AU by watserv1.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Nov 95 23:34:58 -0500 Received: from [138.25.139.66] by sequoia.itd.uts.EDU.AU with SMTP id AA26528 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:31:02 +1100 X-Sender: ascott@mailbox.uts.edu.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 23:30:57 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: a.scott@uts.edu.au (A Scott) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO This is my first message to this list, so hello. The S-550 is my third sampler - after an S10 (many years ago) and Akai S700. I've had it for a week and really, the operating system is pretty obscure (this is v.1.14) - but then, no more so than any other hardware sampler I suppose. The biggest problem I see is in disk organisation - the SMAC programs are extremely helpful for this, even more so when/if the promised 'tone_2_SAM' application is released. I'd like to know if anyone has a pinout for the mouse port, as Roland want $180au. for a mouse (which verges on the obscene) - one could adapt an Atari mouse for it or something similar. I've been going through the mailing list archive - but I thought I'd just come out and ask in a newby fashion. Also - what happened to the S-50 library at the Sgroup site! was it ever installed? Looking at the list from the 'sample/roland' directory, theres some things I'd like to listen to in there. Ash - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 15 06:21:03 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-2>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:20:59 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id GAA19896 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:20:57 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:06:37 -0500 Received: from ppp.eunet.be ([192.92.130.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:05:46 -0500 Received: from nit.be (nit.eunet.be [193.74.251.94]) by ppp.eunet.be (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA15661; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:07:57 +0100 (MET) Received: by nit.be (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17106; Wed, 15 Nov 95 12:00:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:00:11 -0500 From: mr@nit.be (Marc Resibois) Message-Id: <9511151100.AA17106@nit.be> To: soeder@mail.teledanmark.dk Subject: sgroup Re: w30 utilities won't work Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Dear Morten, Here are some more information about the w-30.exe ... | | ... unfortunately I haven't been able to get this wput.exe-thing working :-( | | I get the following message: | "Error 0x10 in LoadSector while trying to access h:0 t:0 s:1" | What the program tells you is that it has some trouble to read/write the disk you have put into its drive. The reason for this is that the W-30 has a slightly different way to write its data than a regular MS-DOS machine (there is something called the interleave factor that is different). "Good" PC drives are able to handle non-standard interleave while "bad" ones -obviously- cannot. However, you have some luck because I used to have a "bad" PC and tried to workaround the problem. The thing is that the W-30 can read disk that are non-standard to him so the way to do this is: - Get a formatted MS-DOS disk - Write on it the minimal information needed for the W30 to recognise it. - Use that disk to make the transfer between your PC and the W-30. Step 2 is done through a program called winit.exe or wformat.exe (can't remember the name now) which -I hope- I did include in the archive. If I didn't, mail me again, I'll include it and post a new release... | and | "Error opening 'wav-file' for input" Probably this is your fault this time ;). Are you sure you did specify the right name ? Let me know... | | Therefore I would like to ask you if you have written some kind of manual | for the utilities. I'm far too Lazy [ ] (check the appropriate) to do this ;) Busy [ ] | | BTW: Have you heard of any w30-editors on the market today? | Not that I know... I've been waiting for this 5+ years and it never came out so I did write it myself. Hopes this helps, Marc. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 15 09:20:30 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88200-2>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:20:27 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <111>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:05:39 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:54:20 -0500 Received: from mcs.nl ([194.178.19.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:53:15 -0500 Received: from mcs.mcs.nl (async1.mcs.nl [194.178.19.66]) by mcs.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA00083 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:53:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:53:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199511151353.OAA00083@mcs.nl> X-Sender: saycheese@mcs.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: saycheese@mcs.nl (Say Cheese!) Subject: sgroup SCSI DISKS for W-30 and S-550 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>By the way, have you any idea what type of hard drive is compatible with the >>W-30's scci port. I called Roland the other day and they said they didn't >know. > HARD DISK UNIT FOR USE WITH S-550 AND W-30 DYNATEK 60M ELTEKON (19" rack-mount Access Time: 16,5ms) 20M - 600M Fixed disk drive 44M Removable disk drive ESSENTIAL HARDWARE (19" rack-mount) 20M, 48M, 80M and 300M HYBRID ARTS (19" rack-mount) 60M, 80M MACRATE 20M, 40M, 60M, 80M OISK 80M REBO SOFT AND HARDWARE SD20 20,6M 20U 20,5M 30U 32,1M 40U 38,5M 43U 43,1M 45U 42,6M 45RM 48,6M 60U 62,4M 80U 85M 100U 100,9M RODIME R0652B 20M R0305ST 45M 308ST 60M 312ST 100M SEAGATE ST225N 30M ST251N 40M ST157N 60M ST277N 64M ST296N 80M Hope I didn't make to many typo's Good luck in finding, because it's not so easy. Kees +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Say Cheese :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 15 10:14:34 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:14:17 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:52:36 -0500 Received: from UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU ([138.26.1.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:51:45 -0500 Received: from uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu by UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 15 Nov 95 08:50:05 CST X-Sender: circ010@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Jim Willett Subject: sgroup W-30 stuff Message-Id: <95Nov15.095145est.136@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:51:38 -0500 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, i'm new to sgroup but not to the W-30--had it a number of years now. Would like to connect with some other w-30 users to chew the bytes a bit---uh sorry 'bout that--- i've been trying to use the sdisk program to move samples downloaded to a PC over to the w-30 but so far i've had no luck-- get error message can't find sector when i use a w-30 formatted disk in association with sdisk--- any pointers anyone?-- I'm emailing NIC in ausie land to get more info-- also, did Roland ever have an upgrade package for the stock w-30 ond was the units SCSI port ever developed for anything-- any controllers for it? your thoughts would be appreciated. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 15 14:21:34 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:21:26 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <162>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:06:14 -0500 Received: from alaska.magpage.com ([204.179.92.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <26>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:05:24 -0500 Received: from modem016.magpage.com by alaska.magpage.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA24891; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:12:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:12:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199511151912.OAA24891@alaska.magpage.com> X-Sender: borg@magpage.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Daryl Sublette From: borg@magpage.com Subject: sgroup Re: Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>Of course not.. Roland are a bunch of idiots... I got a 80MB Quantum hard >>drive for my W-30 about 3 years ago from a third party company.. Not sure >>if they are still in business though... I BELIEVE, all you need to do is >>get a Mac-compatible hard drive and build your own box if you want to do it >>yourself (might be cheaper).. >>My 80MB hard drive holds 64 disks in it.. If you can use larger owns, I'm >>not sure.. Mabye Roland knows (probably not)... >Will this work on a S-50? Not sure about the S-50... Never used one before.. **************************************************************************** ******************************* For info & bookings contact: * ** G A N G S T E R P U M P **Jeremy (302)738-1921 | Jeremy2470@aol.com * ******************************* OR * ** Delaware Ska-Core ** Jeff (302)239-2209 | borg@magpage.com * ******************************* * * Try our NEW & COOL web page! URL: http://www.magpage.com/~borg/gpwww.htm * **************************************************************************** * NOTE: We have no relation to the ska band "Gangster Fun" of Detroit. * * We got our name independently from a porn movie! * **************************************************************************** - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 15 15:42:08 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:42:05 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <166>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:27:16 -0500 Received: from huey.disney.com ([204.128.192.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <162>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:23:32 -0500 Received: from cc.wdi.disney.com ([139.104.100.251]) by huey.disney.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA10507 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:21:51 -0800 (PST) From: Steve_Petitt@cc.wdi.disney.com Received: from cc:Mail by cc.wdi.disney.com id AA816459776; Wed, 15 Nov 95 10:17:06 pst Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:17:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9510158164.AA816459776@cc.wdi.disney.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup How to convert between Mac and pc? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Oh great Imperial Wizard, I've received a Roland sample file via (via e-mail) from someone that uses a Mac. I have a pc, and need to know how to convert the file to my pc so that I can then use sdisk.Do I need to strip the header before converting, or will most converters do this? Any help would be great. Thanks, Steve - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 15 19:37:10 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88200-2>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:37:01 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id TAA09844 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:36:54 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:24:41 -0500 Received: from alaska.magpage.com ([204.179.92.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <26>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:23:52 -0500 Received: from modem016.magpage.com by alaska.magpage.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA02072; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:30:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:30:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199511160030.TAA02072@alaska.magpage.com> X-Sender: borg@magpage.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Jim Willett From: borg@magpage.com Subject: Re: sgroup Re: Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Hell, i'll just keep using good ole music-x midi softwareon my old amiga >2000 and with a good outboard tone box i won't have to worry so much about >loading sound disks-- thanks though-- at least most of roland's samples >sound pretty good-- i've certainly heard worse on more expensive boxes than >the w-30. Do you want to LUG your Amiga 2000 with you on the road with your band?? Set it up on stage at every show, break it down, lug it back home, take it to practice, hook it up, practice, break it down, lug it back home, go to a gig, set it up, play the show, break it down again, etc, etc,etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc???????? I use the hard drive as a way to SPEED UP the loading of sounds I use for my band. It speeds up loading (compared to a floppy disk) over 100 times!!! Load an entire floppy disk takes about a minute or so.. Load that same disk from the hard drive and it takes about 15-20 secs, and even less for patches.... And it's small enough that it is not a pain in the ass.. Instead of worrying about 64 individual floppy disks, all I have to worry about it is ONE hard drive. Easy to set up.. Easy to break down.... **************************************************************************** ******************************* For info & bookings contact: * ** G A N G S T E R P U M P **Jeremy (302)738-1921 | Jeremy2470@aol.com * ******************************* OR * ** Delaware Ska-Core ** Jeff (302)239-2209 | borg@magpage.com * ******************************* * * Try our NEW & COOL web page! URL: http://www.magpage.com/~borg/gpwww.htm * **************************************************************************** * NOTE: We have no relation to the ska band "Gangster Fun" of Detroit. * * We got our name independently from a porn movie! * **************************************************************************** - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 15 19:53:52 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-3>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:53:42 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:39:37 -0500 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <26>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:38:23 -0500 Received: from sequoia.itd.uts.EDU.AU (daemon@sequoia.itd.uts.EDU.AU [138.25.16.1]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id TAA06531 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:38:12 -0500 Received: from [138.25.139.65] by sequoia.itd.uts.EDU.AU with SMTP id AA19345 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:34:46 +1100 X-Sender: ascott@mailbox.uts.edu.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:34:53 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: a.scott@uts.edu.au (A Scott) Subject: sgroup s-550 questions Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thanks Jon.Jenssen for the suggestion of your librarian program but I'm afraid that I'm a Mac-head. I should explain what I meant by the 'disk organisation problems' (inherent in the s550 o/s) - please contradict me if I'm wrong but if, say, I want to move a large multisample patch from one location to another, to create a block to suit a composition (and thus to be saved as a single block on disk) - surely I have to copy the patch, then the tones/subtones - all separately! There doesn't seem to be a single bulk moving operation or the alternative: to load a patch and its constituent tones to a nominated location in memory. The factory vibraphone patch is an example of this: comprising quite a lot of tones/subtones, I've tried a) copying it between blocks and b)loading patch Prm and all the tones from disk - and found that the split assignments have gone missing, the original key assignments are initialised, etc... This is what I'd expect (that the tone Prm are intitialised because they get overwritten) - but it still adds up to the problem that large data reorganisations are so bloody difficult that one doesn't really bother.Maybe I just haven't read the manual well enough - but then its written in like, martian, which I'm not familiar with. I'd really love someone to contradict me on this and tell me a way around it - until then (or until the 'tone_2_SAM' part od SMAC is released), I guess we assemble a library in Alchemy and selectively dump to the Roland. Actually, I think this is a very nice sampler. Ash - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 01:37:39 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-1>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 01:37:28 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 01:25:13 -0500 Received: from coyote.csusm.edu ([144.37.1.41]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <26>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 01:24:22 -0500 Received: from ciscots2_13.csusm.edu by coyote.csusm.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/TM-7.19-4) id AA11402; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:25:01 -0800 Message-Id: <9511160625.AA11402@coyote.csusm.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James W. Thomas" Organization: Nation of Lies To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:04:26 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI DISKS for W-30 and S-550 Reply-To: thoma003@coyote.csusm.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > >>By the way, have you any idea what type of hard drive is > compatible with the W-30's scci port. I called Roland the other > day and they said they didn't know. > > ST277N 64M I have one of these in an "Apple Crate," but I could not make it work. Two things I suspect may be wrong are: 1) Termination: Even though the drive has the terminators on it, the box has two DB-25 connectors on it, and I don't have a terminator for the one I don't use. 2) SCSI ID settings: There's a three jumper array in the back, and I have no idea how to set it. I don't know much at all about SCSI. Anyone have any ideas? ___________________________________________________________ _|ames \/\/. Thomas |\|ation of |_ies http://www.csusm.edu/public/thoma003/nol.html Send email for inclusion on the Nation of Lies mailing list ___________________________________________________________ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 02:27:59 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-2>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:27:50 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <156>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:18:40 -0500 Received: from midilink.nl ([194.151.35.193]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <26>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:17:48 -0500 Received: by midilink.nl (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12jc) for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca; id AA0145; Thu, 16 Nov 95 08:16:45 -0100 From: jc@midilink.nl (Johan Corstjens) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 05:15:08 -0500 Subject: sgroup Anybody alive here? Message-Id: <385_9511160816@midilink.nl> Organization: Dutch MIDI Association [NL] - +31-10-4703905 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello ALL! Haven't seen any message for some time... are we still on the right track here? Greetings, J C (INTERNET: jc@midilink.nl) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 05:24:06 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 05:23:50 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id FAA24733 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 05:23:48 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 05:11:51 -0500 Received: from slab.slip.uiuc.edu ([128.174.23.180]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <24>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 05:10:59 -0500 Received: by slab.slip.uiuc.edu id AA06894 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 04:11:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 05:11:21 -0500 From: Derek Taubert Message-Id: <199511161011.AA06894@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup W-30 SCSI upgrade Reply-To: taubert@uiuc.edu Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO All this discussion of using SCSI with the W-30 has made me want to jump in the ring. Is there anyplace where I can still find the upgrade? Is it just a single chip that plugs into the motherboard, or is there more to it than that? Derek Taubert - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 08:25:36 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:25:28 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <37>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:14:22 -0500 Received: from sara.telepost.no ([193.212.240.44]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <24>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:13:28 -0500 X400-Received: by mta gw.telepost.no in /PRMD=internet/ADMD=telemax/C=no/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:35:38 +0100 X400-Received: by /ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:38:11 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:30:41 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:27:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 05:27:59 -0500 X400-Originator: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no X400-Recipients: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/;2854 95/11/16 11:27] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2854 95/11/16 From: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no Message-ID: <"2854 95/11/16 11:27*/G=axel/S=strand/O=ad/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@ MHS> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: Re: sgroup I want to be a part of the club Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >By the way, have you any idea what type of hard drive is compatible with the >W-30's scci port. I called Roland the other day and they said they didn't >know. I think most apple/Macintosh HDs will work. BUT the W-30 can only address 80Mb, so getting bigger HDs than 80Mb will not do any extra, but I think they should work. I have myself four 40Mb HDs chained together (3 Quantums and one IBM) all put into an empty minitower box with powersupply. I works very well. An alternative could be to get a removable HD ala Syquest or ZIP, but it's still unconfirmed wether these will work. OBS! You need a SCSI controller to use the W-30 with HDs. I you haven't got one, you'll have to get hold on an IC chip produced by Fujutsu labeled MB89352(a)p. Have fun!! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 08:38:55 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:38:48 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:25:21 -0500 Received: from sara.telepost.no ([193.212.240.44]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <28>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:13:34 -0500 X400-Received: by mta gw.telepost.no in /PRMD=internet/ADMD=telemax/C=no/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:48:28 +0100 X400-Received: by /ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:52:11 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:50:07 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:47:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 06:47:26 -0500 X400-Originator: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no X400-Recipients: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/;2857 95/11/16 12:47] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2857 95/11/16 From: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no Message-ID: <"2857 95/11/16 12:47*/G=axel/S=strand/O=ad/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@ MHS> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Non Receipt Notification Requested) In-Reply-To: <199511161011.AA06894@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> Subject: sgroup W-30 SCSI upgrade Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >All this discussion of using SCSI with the W-30 has made me want to jump in >the ring. Is there anyplace where I can still find the upgrade? Is it just a >single chip that plugs into the motherboard, or is there more to it than that? > >Derek Taubert It's just a single chip, that is a "MB89352P" manufactured by Fujutsu. And you'll need the FD-HD-CD operating system. Axel - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 08:49:56 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:49:44 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:40:08 -0500 Received: from mailgate.telecom.ie ([159.134.141.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:39:01 -0500 Received: from smtpgw.dundrum.telecom.ie by mailgate.telecom.ie (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13628; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:33:29 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgw id AA816470901 Wed, 15 Nov 95 13:28:21 gmt Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:28:21 -0500 From: emanning@telecom.ie Message-Id: <9510158164.AA816470901@smtpgw> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 questions Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Part of original note: Author: a.scott@uts.edu.au (A Scott) at csgnet Date: 16/11/95 00:51 I want to move a large multisample patch from one location to another, to create a block to suit a composition (and thus to be saved as a single block on disk) - surely I have to copy the patch, then the tones/subtones - all separately! There doesn't seem to be a single bulk moving operation or the alternative: to load a patch and its constituent tones to a nominated location in memory. Reply: I could stand corrected on this but doesn't the later version (and all hard disk versions) of the S550 o.s. allow this? I know the earlier versions do not. One new option, Patch Load from the Disk menu, will load a patch and all its associated tones. It's a bit crude (doesn't make use of tones already loaded) but it will do what you want. Start off with nothing in sampler memory. Insert the disk containing the required patch. Select Load Patch (and the destination patch). Repeat this for other disks from which you want patches. Save the final results to disk. Now you have a disk(s) containing just the required patches. The layout of the tones can look a bit odd. The S550 will attempt to load them into the original tone positions. If these are not free then it will load them into the next available positions. This is more elegant on the W30 which will reorder all loaded tones sequentially. I'm not sure if a later S550 o.s. changed this. Ed Manning - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 09:28:04 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-1>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:27:58 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <170>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:19:35 -0500 Received: from sara.telepost.no ([193.212.240.44]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:18:44 -0500 X400-Received: by mta gw.telepost.no in /PRMD=internet/ADMD=telemax/C=no/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:20:47 +0100 X400-Received: by /ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:24:31 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:22:23 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:19:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 05:19:40 -0500 X400-Originator: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no X400-Recipients: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/;2853 95/11/16 11:19] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2853 95/11/16 From: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no Message-ID: <"2853 95/11/16 11:19*/G=axel/S=strand/O=ad/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@ MHS> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Non Receipt Notification Requested) In-Reply-To: <9511160625.AA11402@coyote.csusm.edu> Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI DISKS for W-30 and S-550 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >2) SCSI ID settings: >There's a three jumper array in the back, and I have no idea how to >set it. > >I don't know much at all about SCSI. Anyone have any ideas? If you just have one HD connected to the W-30, I think you have to give it address 0. This you achieve by removing all of the address jumpers. Then you should format the HD. If you connect more you have to give the other HDs different addresses by adding jumpers. After you have booted the w-30 with HDs connected, you can use the SCSI check menu option to see on which addresses the HDs are connected. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 09:46:02 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:45:52 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <159>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:33:13 -0500 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <183>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:31:30 -0500 Received: from david by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tG5Gq-000JjJC; Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:26 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:30:12 EST Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: From: David A.Roth ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted From: To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s-550 questions Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:30:12 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-ID: <0105009A.d1d93w@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO In Regards to your letter <9510158164.AA816470901@smtpgw>: > > > Part of original note: > Author: a.scott@uts.edu.au (A Scott) at csgnet > Date: 16/11/95 00:51 > > I want to move a large multisample patch from one location to another, to > create a block to suit a composition (and thus to be saved as a single block > on disk) - surely I have to copy the patch, then the tones/subtones - all > separately! There doesn't seem to be a single bulk moving operation or the > alternative: to load a patch and its constituent tones to a nominated > location in memory. > > Reply: > I could stand corrected on this but doesn't the later version (and all hard > disk versions) of the S550 o.s. allow this? I know the earlier versions do > not. One new option, Patch Load from the Disk menu, will load a patch and > all its associated tones. It's a bit crude (doesn't make use of tones > already loaded) but it will do what you want. > > Start off with nothing in sampler memory. Insert the disk containing the > required patch. Select Load Patch (and the destination patch). Repeat > this for other disks from which you want patches. Save the final results > to disk. Now you have a disk(s) containing just the required patches. > > The layout of the tones can look a bit odd. The S550 will attempt to load > them into the original tone positions. If these are not free then it will > load them into the next available positions. This is more elegant on the > W30 which will reorder all loaded tones sequentially. I'm not sure if a > later S550 o.s. changed this. > > Ed Manning It was also my impression that the latest software for the S-550 did this. It would be great if they had done this for S-330 too. But having a software utility to run on the Mac, perhaps an extension of the SMAC and Samdisk would be ideal to do this sort of thing. Also, at least in the S-330, if there is no memory available and just overwrites "something" (you don't know where) if you are not careful to monitor it. That could be also taken care of on a Mac or PC extended feature of the most excellent software we have now on the archives. David A. Roth david@roth-music.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 12:27:08 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:26:57 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <182>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:15:27 -0500 Received: from slab.slip.uiuc.edu ([128.174.23.240]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:14:32 -0500 Received: by slab.slip.uiuc.edu id AA00696 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:14:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:14:41 -0500 From: Derek Taubert Message-Id: <199511161714.AA00696@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup W-30 SCSI upgrade Reply-To: taubert@uiuc.edu Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > It's just a single chip, that is a "MB89352P" manufactured by > Fujutsu. And you'll need the FD-HD-CD operating system. For others that might be interested, I've found this chip at Marshall for $11.85: http://www.marshall.com/vdoc/pdpage?m=FUJ&p=MB89352AP This says they don't have any in stock and the lead time is 3 months, tho, that has me rather worried. :( OS 1.10 on the ftp site will allow me to use SCSI, right? What exactly does the FD-HD part stand for? Full Density/High Density? Derek Taubert - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 8 09:01:40 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:01:34 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <18>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:49:59 -0500 Received: from dialin.ind.net ([157.91.128.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:49:10 -0500 Received: from PLC (port7.mhill.ind.net) by dialin.ind.net (4.1/9.5jsm) id AA25874; Wed, 8 Nov 95 08:50:28 EST Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:50:27 -0500 X-Sender: dsublett@dialin.ind.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Daryl Sublette Subject: sgroup S50, SYSEX Message-Id: <95Nov8.084910est.16@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Can anyone tell me how to initiate a SYSEX dump on a S50? There is a menu item that lets you turn on/off SYSEX and set the device ID, but I can't see how to initiate a dump.... ================================================================ Daryl Sublette dsublette@dialin.ind.net Info / Telecom Dept. Pilot Industries, North Vernon, In. 47265 PILOT!NORTHVERNO!DarylS@pilotind.attmail.com ================================================================ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 13:22:37 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:22:28 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <183>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:08:40 -0500 Received: from mcs.nl ([194.178.19.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:07:30 -0500 Received: from mcs.mcs.nl (async2.mcs.nl [194.178.19.67]) by mcs.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01265 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:08:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:08:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161908.UAA01265@mcs.nl> X-Sender: saycheese@mcs.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: saycheese@mcs.nl (Say Cheese!) Subject: Re: sgroup W-30 SCSI upgrade Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >All this discussion of using SCSI with the W-30 has made me want to jump in >the ring. Is there anyplace where I can still find the upgrade? Is it just a >single chip that plugs into the motherboard, or is there more to it than that? The official update is still available from Roland. It even has a product number (which I can't remember). I had mine installed a couple of weeks ago. Kees +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Say Cheese :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 13:36:29 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:36:24 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <190>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:24:31 -0500 Received: from mcs.nl ([194.178.19.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:22:28 -0500 Received: from mcs.mcs.nl (async2.mcs.nl [194.178.19.67]) by mcs.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01270 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:11:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:11:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161911.UAA01270@mcs.nl> X-Sender: saycheese@mcs.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: saycheese@mcs.nl (Say Cheese!) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >It's just a single chip, that is a "MB89352P" manufactured by Fujutsu. And you'll need the >FD-HD-CD operating system. It's version 1.07 that has the FD-HD-CD O.S. If someone gives me a ftp side then I'm willing to upload the 'sdisk' .out file there. Kees +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Say Cheese :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 13:47:41 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:47:29 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <180>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:36:11 -0500 Received: from mcs.nl ([194.178.19.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:22:35 -0500 Received: from mcs.mcs.nl (async2.mcs.nl [194.178.19.67]) by mcs.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01282 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:14:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:14:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161914.UAA01282@mcs.nl> X-Sender: saycheese@mcs.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: saycheese@mcs.nl (Say Cheese!) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >>2) SCSI ID settings: >>There's a three jumper array in the back, and I have no idea how to >>set it. >> >>I don't know much at all about SCSI. Anyone have any ideas? > >If you just have one HD connected to the W-30, I think you have to give it address 0. This >you achieve by removing all of the address jumpers. Then you should format the HD. If >you connect more you have to give the other HDs different addresses by adding >jumpers. It doesn't have to be 0 as long as it's NOT 7. 7 is the W-30! >After you have booted the w-30 with HDs connected, you can use the SCSI check menu >option to see on which addresses the HDs are connected. That's correct. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Say Cheese :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 13:58:31 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:58:21 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id NAA02182 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:58:15 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <184>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:47:27 -0500 Received: from mcs.nl ([194.178.19.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <187>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:23:11 -0500 Received: from mcs.mcs.nl (async2.mcs.nl [194.178.19.67]) by mcs.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01298 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:21:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:21:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161921.UAA01298@mcs.nl> X-Sender: saycheese@mcs.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: saycheese@mcs.nl (Say Cheese!) Subject: sgroup problems with depacking Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi, I've downloaded a demo-disk for the S-550. When I tried to write it to a formatted W-30 disk with the "sdisk" program it said: 'BAD SECTOR DETECTED'. I''ve concluded that S-50 disks seem to work, however I've problems with S-550 disks. Any help would be appreciated. Kees +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Say Cheese :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 14:09:53 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:09:42 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id OAA30366 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:09:37 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <187>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:58:05 -0500 Received: from mcs.nl ([194.178.19.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:22:47 -0500 Received: from mcs.mcs.nl (async2.mcs.nl [194.178.19.67]) by mcs.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01290 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:15:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:15:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161915.UAA01290@mcs.nl> X-Sender: saycheese@mcs.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: saycheese@mcs.nl (Say Cheese!) Subject: Re: sgroup W-30 SCSI upgrade Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >OS 1.10 on the ftp site will allow me to use SCSI, right? Don't know. I got 1.07. > What exactly does >the FD-HD part stand for? Full Density/High Density? What about Floppy Disk and Hard-Disk ;-) Kees +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Say Cheese :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 14:53:15 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:53:06 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <193>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:43:17 -0500 Received: from amalia.rz.uni-frankfurt.de ([141.2.149.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <192>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:42:27 -0500 Received: from mars (actually dialin154.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) by amalia.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with Local SMTP (PP); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:33:18 +0000 Message-ID: <30AB9291.332F@stud.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:35:45 -0500 From: Mickey Organization: JWG Uni Frankfurt X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (Windows; I; 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI DISKS for W-30 and S-550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > I have one of these in an "Apple Crate," but I could not make it > work. Two things I suspect may be wrong are: > > 1) Termination: > Even though the drive has the terminators on it, the box has two > DB-25 connectors on it, and I don't have a terminator for the one I > don't use. If you connect more than one device, you must remove the internal termination. On most (older) drives, there are one or two resistor packs, which must be removed. > 2) SCSI ID settings: > There's a three jumper array in the back, and I have no idea how to > set it. SCSI ID's are between 0 and 7, the three jumpers refer to the three bits: 0 (not connected) 1 (connected) 000 = 0 001 = 1 010 = 2 011 = 3 100 = 4 101 = 5 110 = 6 111 = 7 You must try 100 or 001 to find out which jumper corresponds to the first bit (the left or the right). Regards, -=========================================- - Michael 'Mickey' Lauer - - -=========================================- - SMTP: mlauer@stud.uni-frankfurt.de - - HTTP: //www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~mlauer - -=========================================- -using Roland, Yamaha, Emu, Ensoniq & Korg- -=========================================- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 16 15:30:29 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:30:15 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <192>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:17:06 -0500 Received: from acs.eku.edu ([157.89.8.64]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:16:15 -0500 Received: from ACS.EKU.EDU by ACS.EKU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #11885) id <01HXPRLNVK0K000V42@ACS.EKU.EDU> for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:15:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:15:33 -0500 From: STUMCBRI@ACS.EKU.EDU To: sgroup-outgoing@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-id: <01HXPRLNVKYU000V42@ACS.EKU.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I am selling my Roland W30. It is in mint condition and has been used only spareingly and only at home. Included with the keyboard is a stand, hard case, all the cables and manuals, 30+ disks worth of samples, and two Roland MA-12 monitor speakers. I paid $2600 and am looking to sell for $1000 OBO. Anyone who is interested or has further questions please email me at stumcbri@acs.eku.edu or phone (606)622-4191. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 17 03:39:33 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 03:39:22 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 03:15:10 -0500 Received: from sara.telepost.no ([193.212.240.44]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 03:14:18 -0500 X400-Received: by mta gw.telepost.no in /PRMD=internet/ADMD=telemax/C=no/; Relayed; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:11:47 +0100 X400-Received: by /ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:15:31 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:13:24 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 08:10:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 02:10:43 -0500 X400-Originator: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no X400-Recipients: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/;2879 95/11/17 08:10] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2879 95/11/17 From: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no Message-ID: <"2879 95/11/17 08:10*/G=axel/S=strand/O=ad/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@ MHS> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Non Receipt Notification Requested) In-Reply-To: <199511161714.AA00696@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: sgroup W-30 SCSI upgrade Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >OS 1.10 on the ftp site will allow me to use SCSI, right? What exactly does >the FD-HD part stand for? Full Density/High Density? > >Derek Taubert The Os 1.10 is a "normal" OS and can not be used for SCSI. You will need the FD (Floppy Disk) - HD (HardDisc)- CD (Compact Disc) system. Axel - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 17 12:48:51 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:48:36 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id MAA22098 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:48:32 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <189>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:35:24 -0500 Received: from huey.disney.com ([204.128.192.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:34:32 -0500 Received: from cc.wdi.disney.com ([139.104.100.251]) by huey.disney.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA00534 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:32:43 -0800 (PST) From: Steve_Petitt@cc.wdi.disney.com Received: from cc:Mail by cc.wdi.disney.com id AA816629609; Fri, 17 Nov 95 09:25:33 pst Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:25:33 -0500 Message-Id: <9510178166.AA816629609@cc.wdi.disney.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup opinions on HDI-5 and CD-5 wanted. Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello fellow Roland-ites, I've recently stumbled across a couple of accessories for my s-550, and would like some input from the group. The first item is the HDI-5 interface, which I've located on the net. The asking price is $100 (new in the box). The second item is the CD-5, which I found for $25.00 at a local music store (without cd's). I know that the s-550 is an old machine that's no longer supported by Roland (gee, what else is new) but I still like the sound of it. I have to be realistic though, and not pump money into this if I can buy a `better' machine for what I'd be investing in this. Thanks ! Steve - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 17 14:38:55 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88201-2>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:38:45 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <18>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:23:49 -0500 Received: from tribeca.ios.com ([198.4.75.48]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:22:58 -0500 Received: from [206.20.1.33] (ppp-33.ts-5.hck.idt.net [206.20.1.33]) by tribeca.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04770 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:17:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:17:59 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: petea@tribeca.ios.com (Pete Ankelein) Subject: sgroup S-760...partitioning a syquist? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Anyone know if you can partition a syquist cartridge with the S-760 and if so, how? Pete - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat Nov 18 07:42:06 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 07:41:56 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <39>; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 07:23:21 -0500 Received: from amalia.rz.uni-frankfurt.de ([141.2.149.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <16>; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 07:22:11 -0500 Received: from mars (actually dialin145.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) by amalia.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with Local SMTP (PP); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:21:09 +0000 Message-ID: <30ADD04A.64B7@stud.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 07:23:38 -0500 From: Mickey Organization: JWG Uni Frankfurt X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (Windows; I; 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Pete Ankelein wrote: > > Anyone know if you can partition a syquist cartridge with the S-760 > and if so, how? Sorry, but: no way. Roland samplers can only use the whole syquest cartridge. - M. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun Nov 19 09:51:01 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:50:58 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:35:34 -0500 Received: from sequoia.itd.uts.EDU.AU ([138.25.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:34:42 -0500 Received: from [138.25.139.74] by sequoia.itd.uts.EDU.AU with SMTP id AA12534 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:27:22 +1100 X-Sender: ascott@mailbox.uts.edu.au (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:27:28 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: a.scott@uts.edu.au (A Scott) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO thanks david and ed. I seem to have every o/s version scattered across my library disks so I will see which version allows for 'patch load' This would be really useful - I'm just trying to create loadable blocks for use with a Finale score I'm working on. re the ongoing SCSI talk on this list - has anyone ever used this port (on S550/S330/W30) for transferring tones to and from a mac for editing, as with and EMAX or the bigger Akai samplers ? It would be a lot faster than via MIDI. Ash - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 20 02:46:04 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 02:46:00 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 02:35:18 -0500 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu ([128.252.120.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 02:34:27 -0500 Received: from wups.fold by wugate.wustl.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id BAA02617; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:34:02 -0600 Received: by wups.fold (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17562; Mon, 20 Nov 95 01:32:39 CST Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 02:27:46 -0500 From: Paul Scott 894-1533 Subject: sgroup Re: your mail To: A Scott Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Yeah,I,too would sure like to see a complete (or at least partially complete?) collection of Roland S-50 sample disks on the lotus.uwaterloo site. I've been using the S550 to S50 conversion utility program on my S-50 sampler to try and use some of the 550 stuff that's available to download - but that's not perfect. Since the S-550 sampler had more RAM memory than the S-50 did and could store more sample data on a disk, conversions to S-50 format require splitting each S-550 data disk into two S-50 data disks, and sometimes a few of the patches get mangled/lost in the process. (At least they have for me on occasion?) Next time I get a chance, maybe I'll upload a few S-50 disks in "Samdisk" format. I created one that's all cartoon sounds and music from "Ren and Stimpy" and another one with lots of dance/rap music related sounds. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 20 03:00:49 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:00:45 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id DAA28176 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 03:00:43 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 02:47:36 -0500 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu ([128.252.120.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 02:45:51 -0500 Received: from wups.fold by wugate.wustl.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id BAA02866; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 01:41:57 -0600 Received: by wups.fold (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17568; Mon, 20 Nov 95 01:40:37 CST Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 02:38:00 -0500 From: Paul Scott 894-1533 Subject: Re: sgroup I want to be a part of the club To: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no Cc: Non Receipt Notification Requested In-Reply-To: <"2854 95/11/16 11:27*/G=axel/S=strand/O=ad/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@ MHS> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Regarding the use of a removable drive like a Zip Drive on a Roland sampler like the S-550, I have no experience with it either - but highly suspect it wouldn't work well. Most likely,it would only work if you left the same disk in the drive and didn't eject and switch it while the sampler was powered up. I do own an IOMega Zip Drive (SCSI model) on my PC, and it attaches to any standard SCSI controller - but requires special software drivers for the PC to "understand" that even though it accesses like a hard drive,it may suddenly go "off-line" for a little while and come back up with a whole new disk of data in it. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 20 05:24:22 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 05:24:11 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 05:07:56 -0500 Received: from odhin.hil.no ([128.39.109.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 05:07:06 -0500 Received: from ccmail.hil.no by odhin.hil.no with SMTP id AA18102 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for <@odhin.hil.no:sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca>); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:52:43 +0100 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.hil.no (1.30/SMTPLink) id A16151; Mon, 20 Nov 95 11:07:49 SET Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:07:49 -0500 From: Stein Tore Sonsteli Message-Id: <9511201107.A16151@ccmail.hil.no> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Differences between S-550 & S-330? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi All, Better introduce myself since this is my first posting to this group: My name is Stein Tore Sonsteli, and I'm working part time as a Multimedia Developer at Lillehammer College, Norway, besides being a musician. My problem: I need to replace my S-550 with a S-330. Can anybody assure me that the S-330 sounds exactly the same as the S-550? Is the S-330 able to read S-550 disks, or do they have to be converted first? Stein Tore - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 20 06:58:17 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:58:15 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:48:24 -0500 Received: from sara.telepost.no ([193.212.240.44]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:47:35 -0500 X400-Received: by mta gw.telepost.no in /PRMD=internet/ADMD=telemax/C=no/; Relayed; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:44:28 +0100 X400-Received: by /ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:48:15 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:45:56 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:43:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 05:43:12 -0500 X400-Originator: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no X400-Recipients: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/;2915 95/11/20 11:43] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2915 95/11/20 From: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no Message-ID: <"2915 95/11/20 11:43*/G=axel/S=strand/O=ad/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@ MHS> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: Re: sgroup I want to be a part of the club Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Regarding the use of a removable drive like a Zip Drive on a Roland >sampler like the S-550, I have no experience with it either - but highly >suspect it wouldn't work well. Most likely,it would only work if you left >the same disk in the drive and didn't eject and switch it while the >sampler was powered up. > >I do own an IOMega Zip Drive (SCSI model) on my PC, and it attaches to any >standard SCSI controller - but requires special software drivers for the >PC to "understand" that even though it accesses like a hard drive,it may >suddenly go "off-line" for a little while and come back up with a whole >new disk of data in it. I just got a s-550 last week, and the last couple of days I have been busy finding a good setup for the SCSI HDs. I have now seven 40 MB HDs (all put into a minitower box) connected to my S-550 and W-30 using an A/B switch to switch between the W-30 and the S-550 and it all works wonderful. What I wanted to say is that in the process of making this setup, I have been attaching, deattaching and reattaching HDs and made address changes without having to turn the S-550 nor the W-30 off and on. When a change in disk setup was done, I just executed the SCSI-check command, and then the sampler(s) updated the new SCSI setup in the internal memory. This could mean that those problems you point at concerning the ZIP-drive actually don't have to be any problem. But, I think the only way to find out is to try? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 20 07:28:48 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:28:37 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:20:55 -0500 Received: from sara.telepost.no ([193.212.240.44]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:20:00 -0500 X400-Received: by mta gw.telepost.no in /PRMD=internet/ADMD=telemax/C=no/; Relayed; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:15:51 +0100 X400-Received: by /ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:18:57 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:16:53 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/; Relayed; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:14:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:14:09 -0500 X400-Originator: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no X400-Recipients: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/;2918 95/11/20 12:14] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2918 95/11/20 From: axel.strand@ad.dep.telemax.no Message-ID: <"2918 95/11/20 12:14*/G=axel/S=strand/O=ad/PRMD=dep/ADMD=TELEMAX/C=NO/"@ MHS> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: sgroup W-30 SCSI Op.Sys. Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >It's version 1.07 that has the FD-HD-CD O.S. >If someone gives me a ftp side then I'm willing to upload the 'sdisk' .out >file there. > >Kees It would be nice if it could be made available on Lotus.uwaterloo.ca. I think I have only got version 1.06 so I would be interested in an upgraded version. Axel - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 20 10:32:14 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-3>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:32:06 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id KAA12081 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:32:00 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:17:22 -0500 Received: from mailgate.telecom.ie ([159.134.141.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:16:33 -0500 Received: from smtpgw.dundrum.telecom.ie by mailgate.telecom.ie (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18323; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:13:58 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgw id AA816909104 Mon, 20 Nov 95 15:11:44 gmt Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:11:44 -0500 From: emanning@telecom.ie Message-Id: <9510208169.AA816909104@smtpgw> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Sysex call for an S550 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm repeating my previous message of 9/11/95 because I assume someone must know how to do this but may have missed (or forgotten) my previous message. I'm using Cakewalk for Windows and would like to use Sysex to store samples and the sequence together in a .WRK file. I know it's slow over midi so I was wondering if its possible to just load/dump S550 patches. Do anyone know the sysex data to do this? If not, how about the sysex to load/dump the whole bank? I can't make it out from the Roland manual. Ed Manning - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 20 14:56:52 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88200-2>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:56:42 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:45:31 -0500 Received: from slab.slip.uiuc.edu ([128.174.23.228]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:44:39 -0500 Received: by slab.slip.uiuc.edu id AA05179 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:44:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:44:49 -0500 From: Derek Taubert Message-Id: <199511201944.AA05179@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: /pub/sgroup/incoming Reply-To: taubert@uiuc.edu Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO The incoming area on lotus doesn't have the permissions/owner set properly to allow uploads. Who is in charge of this? Also, ls -l never works properly for me there, I always get: "550 /bin/ls: No more processes." Derek - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 20 15:36:19 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88201-1>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:36:06 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id PAA07248 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:36:01 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:25:34 -0500 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:24:44 -0500 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88198-3>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:24:29 -0500 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, taubert@uiuc.edu Subject: Re: /pub/sgroup/incoming Message-Id: <95Nov20.152429est.88198-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:24:19 -0500 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 20 14:56:52 1995 | From: Derek Taubert | To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca | Subject: /pub/sgroup/incoming | | | The incoming area on lotus doesn't have the permissions/owner set properly to | allow uploads. Who is in charge of this? That would be me. | Also, ls -l never works properly for me there, I always get: | | "550 /bin/ls: No more processes." That's happened twice recently, where a whole bunch of ftp processes hang around for days. I killed them all off. John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 22 12:55:51 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:55:39 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id MAA12605 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:55:32 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:37:42 -0500 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:36:40 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with ESMTP id IAA13506 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:57:22 -0500 From: AlanDMuse@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA22660 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:55:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:55:39 -0500 Message-ID: <951122085538_30699695@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I had the opportunity to do some work in a local studio the other day and I brought in my S-550, only to find that they had, like, three of them already there. (Nothing like that to make you feel good about your purchase:) ). Anyway, we started using mine but were getting a lot of noise (hum, buzz, whatever) from the it, especially the mix output. We ended up using the studio unit, which was much quieter. What I'm wanting to know is if what might make my unit's outputs so much noisier than the studio unit. If anyone can offer suggestions and/or remedies, I'd be much obliged. Alan D. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 22 13:39:31 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:39:20 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id NAA23966 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:39:18 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:22:09 -0500 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu ([128.138.129.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:21:20 -0500 Received: (from lyk@localhost) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) id LAA20316; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:13:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:13:40 -0500 From: lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu To: AlanDMuse@aol.com cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? In-Reply-To: <951122085538_30699695@mail02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I've had similar troubles with my S550, but kinda diferent. When ever I sample a loop and play it back, sometimes it doesn't sound as clear and sometimes it sounds very clear. I thought it was the pressure pressing the keys, but I scaled every note to maximum velocity and it still had the same troubles. Then I thought maybe there wasn't enough voices to play and it choked, but then I solo'd the loop and still it gave me the same, unclearness on some notes. Does anyone know what's going on??? On Wed, 22 Nov 1995 AlanDMuse@aol.com wrote: > I had the opportunity to do some work in a local studio the other day and I > brought in my S-550, only to find that they had, like, three of them already > there. (Nothing like that to make you feel good about your purchase:) ). > Anyway, we started using mine but were getting a lot of noise (hum, buzz, > whatever) from the it, especially the mix output. We ended up using the > studio unit, which was much quieter. What I'm wanting to know is if what > might make my unit's outputs so much noisier than the studio unit. If anyone > can offer suggestions and/or remedies, I'd be much obliged. > > Alan D. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 22 19:09:59 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:09:46 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:59:54 -0500 Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu ([144.92.104.66]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:59:04 -0500 Received: from by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id RAA109680; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:58:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:58:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199511222358.RAA109680@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: rwpeeble@facstaff.wisc.edu (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: rwpeeble@facstaff.wisc.edu (Ross Peebles) Subject: sgroup Archive Compression Scheme X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I downloaded one of the S-50 sound libraries from the FTP site. Several of the files have a .z extension and are not zip files. I was told that these may be compresses in Unix format. Does anyone know the format of this file compression and if and where I can get a decompression utility for DOS or Windows? Thank You. Ross - - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 23 04:26:39 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 04:26:25 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 04:12:55 -0500 Received: from odhin.hil.no ([128.39.109.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 04:12:03 -0500 Received: from ccmail.hil.no by odhin.hil.no with SMTP id AA23250 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for <@odhin.hil.no:sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca>); Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:57:28 +0100 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.hil.no (1.30/SMTPLink) id A18784; Thu, 23 Nov 95 10:12:34 SET Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:12:34 -0500 From: Stein Tore Sonsteli Message-Id: <9511231012.A18784@ccmail.hil.no> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have a similar problem with my S-550. When I turn the front volume knob more than halfway up, my samples sound distorted (and no, there's nothing wrong with my mixer or gain structure). The headphone output is fine. I've spoke to some technicians, and they say there might be some trouble with the D/A-converters (haven't had time to check this yet). This might not be true with your S-550, if it's just noise your experiencing. Stein Tore _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? Author: AlanDMuse@aol.com Date: 22-11-95 08:55 I had the opportunity to do some work in a local studio the other day and I brought in my S-550, only to find that they had, like, three of them already there. (Nothing like that to make you feel good about your purchase:) ). Anyway, we started using mine but were getting a lot of noise (hum, buzz, whatever) from the it, especially the mix output. We ended up using the studio unit, which was much quieter. What I'm wanting to know is if what might make my unit's outputs so much noisier than the studio unit. If anyone can offer suggestions and/or remedies, I'd be much obliged. Alan D. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 23 06:33:53 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-3>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:33:43 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id GAA04062 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:33:41 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:20:15 -0500 Received: from mailgate.telecom.ie ([159.134.141.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:19:25 -0500 Received: from smtpgw.dundrum.telecom.ie by mailgate.telecom.ie (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12119; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:17:55 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgw id AA817154156 Thu, 23 Nov 95 11:15:56 gmt Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:15:56 -0500 From: emanning@telecom.ie Message-Id: <9510238171.AA817154156@smtpgw> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I used to have a W30 but recently moved to an S550. I too have noticed that when the output volume is over 2 thirds, the outputs distort (never happened on the W30). I assumed the output was too high and didn't match my -10dBm input mixer. Maybe they're set up for +4dBm professional level. Anyone have experience of using it with a +4dBm mixer? Ed Manning - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 23 06:46:03 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:45:57 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:34:59 -0500 Received: from mail.fwi.uva.nl ([146.50.4.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:33:28 -0500 Received: from gene.fwi.uva.nl by mail.fwi.uva.nl with ESMTP (sendmail 8.6.12/config 5.15). id MAA22417; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:30:55 +0100 Received: from localhost by gene.fwi.uva.nl (sendmail 8.6.12/config 5.15). id MAA11018; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:30:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199511231130.MAA11018@gene.fwi.uva.nl> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:30:45 -0500 X-Organisation: Faculty of Mathematics, Computer Science, Physics & Astronomy University of Amsterdam Plantage Muidergracht 24 NL-1018 TV Amsterdam The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 20 525 5200 X-Fax: +31 20 525 5101 From: ovrielin@fwi.uva.nl To: Stein-Tore.Sonsteli@hil.no Subject: Re: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Content-Length: 505 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I also have the problem of a distorted output sometimes on my W30 (when the volume-slider is more than 3/4 up) especially with loud sounds like basses with a lot of resonance. The first thing I thought of was also that it should be something in the DA-converters, but I never had it checked because it doesn't occur that often. But as I read the mail in the sgroup I began to get the idea that this might be a known bug for W30s/S550s ? Is there anyone out there from Roland who can tell us? Merijn :-( - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 23 11:56:58 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-3>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:56:54 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:48:24 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com ([152.163.172.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:47:50 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA10740 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:47:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:47:39 -0500 From: MatteBlack@aol.com Message-ID: <951123114738_114756475@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO <> Check the impedence of the mixer input. I found that a low impedence, 3 pin, MIC input works great. As far as noise, the MIX output is much noisier than the individual outs. Also turn off the video monitor for less noise. Matt Patchman Music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 23 17:53:17 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-3>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:53:05 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:43:55 -0500 Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl ([193.78.33.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:43:05 -0500 Received: from xs4all.xs4all.nl (asd04-12.dial.xs4all.nl) by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA19908 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:42:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:42:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199511232242.AA19908@xs1.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: ito@dds.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: "S.R. van Roekel" Subject: sgroup Sds on a Dj-70 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I want to use my Dj70 in combination with soundforge, that is I want to use the Sampledump option, I can't get this option decently working, I think it has something to do with "sample bias" ; Does anyone know how to configure the sampler-options in soundforge correctly or does anyone knows how to set the sample bias? Thanks in advance, S.R.van Roekel "Ik ben nooit gedist, maar hij is nooit gedister," < > "Ik ben een componist, maar hij is componister." Baarsjeswg 276 "Kijk daarom uit, bruid hij dolt je je kerk uit, " Amsterdam, Holland "Terug in de keuken, en ga aan je werk bruid." +31.20.6188874 "Luister dus snollen, jullie koppen gaan rollen, " If Busy.6180873 "Als jullie soms dachten dat je ons kon dollen." << e-mail: ito@dds.nl >> -Amadeus Mozart's "Twee echt wat? Musici op pad." << try visiting Ito w.h.q. http://www.xs4all.nl/~niet >> - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 23 19:08:08 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-3>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:08:02 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <37>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:59:56 -0500 Received: from wr.com.au ([203.12.42.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:59:05 -0500 Received: by wr.com.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4-1.0) id AA17712; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:59:33 +1100 Message-Id: <9511232359.AA17712@wr.com.au> Subject: sgroup zip drives To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:59:31 -0500 From: nic@carrot.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j}; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:34:42 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <39>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:24:57 -0500 Received: from julian.uwo.ca ([129.100.2.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:24:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:23:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199511240423.XAA12040@julian.uwo.ca> X-Sender: andrpetr@julian.uwo.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: andrpetr@julian.uwo.ca Subject: sgroup .z and .tar.z and hex etc X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO What program (.ttp) is used to decompress these files and where can I get it? I download to PC then copy to ATARI. Enjoyed the browse - lots of stuff to try once I learn to -x or -d! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 24 07:27:06 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-2>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:26:58 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id HAA20915 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:26:55 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:15:17 -0500 Received: from sirius.wye.ac.uk ([192.195.117.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:14:26 -0500 Received: from microlab1.wye.ac.uk (microlab1.wye.ac.uk [192.195.116.60]) by sirius.wye.ac.uk (8.6.11/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA27912 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:13:25 GMT Received: from MICROLAB1/SpoolDir by microlab1.wye.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Nov 95 12:14:10 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MICROLAB1 (Mercury 1.21); 24 Nov 95 12:14:05 GMT Received: from [192.195.116.206] by microlab1.wye.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Nov 95 12:14:00 GMT X-Sender: pbb_mb@microlab1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:13:33 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: pbb_mb@wye.ac.uk (Mark A Bennett) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Does anyone have any experience of the sample editing software for the mac called M.E.S.A......Akai are bundling it with the new S2000 and I wondered if anyone out there knows of it ps....I'm not going to buy an akai!(quite happy with my 'out of date' S760!) ta AMrk =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4 There is a value in making mistakes The trick is forming a coherent whole. =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4= =A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4=A4 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 24 09:25:31 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-1>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:25:12 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id JAA13106 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:25:11 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:16:16 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com ([198.81.10.43]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:15:27 -0500 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA17079 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:15:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:15:15 -0500 From: AlanDMuse@aol.com Message-ID: <951124091515_32547244@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO First off, I'd like to thank everyone for their input and suggestions regarding my original query. While apparently others has experienced a noise problem of a different kind, I wanted to clarify the symptoms in my particular situation. The noise, hum, etc occurs before any notes are played at all; it's there when you plug the audio cord in. Fiddling with the volume knob on the front does not affect the noise level. The less offensive S-550 was plugged in to the same cord bundle (of expensive, fancy schmancy oxygen-free audio cords) and was identically routed to a Mackie board as my unit. So, thanks for the contributions so far and keep 'em coming. Alan D. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 24 12:17:32 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:17:19 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:07:00 -0500 Received: from borg.mindspring.com ([204.180.128.14]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:06:10 -0500 Received: from mikod.mindspring.com [168.121.26.195] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id MAA26963 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:05:11 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:10:07 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: mikod@MindSpring.COM (Warren Hunt) Subject: sgroup S550 Manual Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I just bought a used s550 and it came with a partial photocopied manual, is there anyone who has a complete manual for sale, or is there a resource that I can use to purchase one? >From the mind of mikod - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 24 19:03:42 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 19:03:31 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:49:21 -0500 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM ([192.9.25.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:48:30 -0500 Received: from Corp.Sun.COM by mercury.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id PAA26004; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:48:14 -0800 Received: from mtvmail.Corp.Sun.COM (mtvmail-12.Corp.Sun.COM) by Corp.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA29577; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:48:10 -0800 Received: from vampire.Corp.Sun.COM by mtvmail.Corp.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA07460; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:48:11 -0800 Received: by vampire.Corp.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA10609; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:48:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:48:10 -0500 From: scorch@mtvmail.Corp.Sun.COM (John McCartney) Message-Id: <199511242348.PAA10609@vampire.Corp.Sun.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup AJ-1 manual? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO On the off chance that someone might have one, (this being a hideout for Roland owners and all), does anyone out there have a manual for the Alpha-Juno 1 that they would be willing to make a copy of? I am of course willing to cover copying & postage costs... Thanks! scorch - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Nov 24 20:18:37 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-3>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 20:18:28 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id UAA32601 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 20:18:26 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 20:07:33 -0500 Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl ([193.78.33.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 20:06:43 -0500 Received: from xs4all.xs4all.nl (asd04-00.dial.xs4all.nl) by xs1.xs4all.nl with SMTP id AA24881 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 02:06:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 20:06:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199511250106.AA24881@xs1.xs4all.nl> X-Sender: ito@dds.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: "S.R. van Roekel" Subject: sgroup other groups Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I was wondering if anyone knows other usefull mail-groups that have something to do with sampling/composing music. S.R.van Roekel "Ik ben nooit gedist, maar hij is nooit gedister," < > "Ik ben een componist, maar hij is componister." Baarsjeswg 276 "Kijk daarom uit, bruid hij dolt je je kerk uit, " Amsterdam, Holland "Terug in de keuken, en ga aan je werk bruid." +31.20.6188874 "Luister dus snollen, jullie koppen gaan rollen, " If Busy.6180873 "Als jullie soms dachten dat je ons kon dollen." << e-mail: ito@dds.nl >> -Amadeus Mozart's "Twee echt wat? Musici op pad." << try visiting Ito w.h.q. http://www.xs4all.nl/~niet >> - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat Nov 25 13:26:58 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 13:26:50 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <37>; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 13:10:34 -0500 Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg ([165.21.1.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 13:09:26 -0500 Received: from benj4ang.singnet.com.sg (ts900-1309.singnet.com.sg [165.21.5.125]) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id AAA08308 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 00:58:50 +0800 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 11:58:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199511251658.AAA08308@merlion.singnet.com.sg> X-Sender: benj4ang@singnet.com.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: benj4ang@singnet.com.sg (Benjamin Ang) Subject: Re: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >As far as noise, the MIX output is much noisier than the individual outs. >Also turn off the video monitor for less noise. > >Matt >Patchman Music I had a similar problem because my monitor has a 3 pin power plug (i.e. with earth) whereas all my synths have 2 pin power (i.e. no earth) so I can hear ground hum. To get rid of the hum, I not only switch the monitor off, I also unplug it from the power point. Otherwise it continues to give ground hum. I understand that I could also remove the earth from my monitor's plug, but I would like some views on the safety aspect of that. Anyone? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B E N J A M I N A N G email: benj4ang@singnet.com.sg ----------------------- location: Singapore my own homepage - http://www.singnet.com.sg/~benj4ang ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun Nov 26 12:25:32 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-1>; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:25:24 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:06:29 -0500 Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg ([165.21.1.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:05:22 -0500 Received: from benj4ang.singnet.com.sg (ts900-203.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.207]) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id BAA12567 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:05:06 +0800 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:05:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199511261705.BAA12567@merlion.singnet.com.sg> X-Sender: benj4ang@singnet.com.sg (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: benj4ang@singnet.com.sg (Benjamin Ang) Subject: Re: sgroup Noisy S-550 outputs??? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO This sounds exactly like my ground hum problem, which I solved by unplugging the video monitor when I need to record. (pls refer to my other email) problem of a different kind, I wanted to clarify the symptoms in my >particular situation. The noise, hum, etc occurs before any notes are played >at all; it's there when you plug the audio cord in. Fiddling with the volume >knob on the front does not affect the noise level. The less offensive S-550 >was plugged in to the same cord bundle (of expensive, fancy schmancy >oxygen-free audio cords) and was identically routed to a Mackie board as my >unit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B E N J A M I N A N G email: benj4ang@singnet.com.sg ----------------------- location: Singapore my own homepage - http://www.singnet.com.sg/~benj4ang ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 27 06:45:40 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-1>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 06:45:33 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 06:29:42 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com ([198.68.32.51]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <24>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 06:29:09 -0500 Received: from usr1.primenet.com (root@usr1.primenet.com [198.68.32.11]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA04167 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 04:28:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [204.212.59.7] (ip007.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.7]) by usr1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA16733 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 04:28:54 -0700 (MST) X-Sender: mrn@mailhost.primenet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 06:35:50 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: mrn@primenet.com (Mark R. Nathan) Subject: sgroup Upgrade options? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello there folks. I own an S-330 and was qurious to what upgrade options I may or may no have for the sampler. Anything? Memory, balanced outs, scsi interface? Thanks! Mark Nathan mrn@primenet.com _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ Mark R. Nathan http://www.primenet.com/~mrn mrn@primenet.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 27 08:09:35 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88199-3>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:09:28 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <37>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:01:44 -0500 Received: from opal.spawar.navy.mil ([192.26.7.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <28>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:00:54 -0500 Received: from smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil by opal.spawar.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15585; Mon, 27 Nov 95 07:58:07 EST Received: from cc:Mail by smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil id AA817488083; Mon, 27 Nov 95 07:57:26 EST Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 07:57:26 -0500 From: ramsayd@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil Encoding: 23 Text Message-Id: <9510278174.AA817488083@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, rwpeeble@facstaff.wisc.edu (Ross Peebles) Subject: Re: sgroup Archive Compression Scheme Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO DECOMP for DOS works very well. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: sgroup Archive Compression Scheme Author: rwpeeble@facstaff.wisc.edu (Ross Peebles) at smtp-gw Date: 11/22/95 7:10 PM I downloaded one of the S-50 sound libraries from the FTP site. Several of the files have a .z extension and are not zip files. I was told that these may be compresses in Unix format. Does anyone know the format of this file compression and if and where I can get a decompression utility for DOS or Windows? Thank You. Ross - - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Nov 27 16:46:14 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88202-2>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:46:10 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id QAA25220 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:46:08 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:33:01 -0500 Received: from wr.com.au ([203.12.42.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:32:11 -0500 Received: by wr.com.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4-1.0) id AA29118; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:32:51 +1100 Message-Id: <9511272132.AA29118@wr.com.au> Subject: sgroup new version of sdisk (v1.1) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:32:50 -0500 From: nic@carrot.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j}; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:55:06 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id TAA10227 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:54:55 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:47:29 -0500 Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu ([144.92.104.66]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:46:39 -0500 Received: from by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id SAA07745; 8.6.9W/42; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:46:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:46:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199511280046.SAA07745@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: rwpeeble@facstaff.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: nic@carrot.com.au (Nic Grant) From: rwpeeble@facstaff.wisc.edu (Ross Peebles) Subject: sgroup SDISK info. Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Nic! A couple of months ago I asked you about getting SDISK to work, as I was having problems in being able to write and read sampler disks to an S-50. Since then I have found several systems that it works on. When I couldn't get SDISK to work, I downloaded SAMDDISK, another sampler disk conversion program hopeing that it would work. When I ran that, it gave me an "imcompatible BIOS error" which then started me thinking that I should try some other computers. I tried using an old IBM P-70 portable with micro-channel architechture, and I go further, except the SAMDISK apprently requires a 3.5" drive B:. I then though of trying SDISK on this system just for the heck of it, since it was quite different then the several systems I tried in the past. Astonishling, IT WORKED!!! So all I can tell you is that SDISK seems to work on some systems and not on others. From my personal experince, SDISK would NOT work on these systems Dell 486-D50 Gateway DX2-50 Colorbook Laptop ESP 486SX (Not suprising, since anything DOS above 4.x is incompatible with this system.) It does work on these systems: Dell 486 DX2-50 IBM P-70 Portable Compaq 286's and a "peiced together" 386 DX-40 I am not sure why it works on some systems and not others but thought this may be of use. Ross - ================================= Ross Peebles Research Specialist Agricultural Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Madison (608)-262-5062 e-mail:rwpeeble@facstaff.wisc.edu - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 29 11:34:15 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88202-1>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:34:08 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id LAA17058 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:34:04 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:13:49 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com ([152.163.172.66]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:13:00 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA07777 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:12:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:12:45 -0500 From: AlanDMuse@aol.com Message-ID: <951129111244_119823532@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup S-550 OS 1.00 doesn't work w/ HD?? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm sure this has probably been covered in this group before but I've never had a need to deal with it, so I probably ignored it. I recently got a SCSI interface for the S-550. I'm still trying to round up a HD case (5.25" Seagate, in case anyone has an extra one lying around...) so I'm not using the hard drive yet. Anyway, I boot up using the original system disks (v 1.00) and if I want to load a different set from floppy, it will not recognize the original S-550 disks as sound disks. Now, I have found a work-around, as the OS on my Patchman disks (v 1.13) appears to clear up the problem. This brings me to a couple questions that really have to do with the above at all...first, am I going to screw anything up on the original system disks if I save the new sys version to them? Also, would I benefit from saving the more recent sys to my utility disks, which I think are v.1.11? Finally, it I just booted with the HD system disk, would the S-550 still recognize the floppy drive and load stuff from it? Thanks for any insights! Alan D. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 29 12:32:16 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-1>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:31:59 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:19:19 -0500 Received: from borg.mindspring.com ([204.180.128.14]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:18:29 -0500 Received: from mikod.mindspring.com [168.121.26.195] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id MAA00175 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:18:05 -0500 Received: by mikod.mindspring.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BABE54.FF982000@mikod.mindspring.com>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:19:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01BABE54.FF982000@mikod.mindspring.com> From: Warren Hunt To: "'sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca'" Subject: sgroup SCSI Interface kit for S550 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:19:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Non of my local music dealers sell or stock the SCSI interface kit, I = have poped open my unit and I see that there is a 50 pin male connector, = I'm wondering if I could purchase a 50 pin ribbon female cable on one = end and a standard SCSI interface on the other and then hook it into my = SCSI case. I am also wondering if I can put a 500 MB FUJI HD in that = case? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Nov 29 16:52:06 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-2>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:51:54 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:37:17 -0500 Received: from personal.eunet.fi ([192.26.119.4]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:36:25 -0500 Received: from zman.pp.fi by personal.eunet.fi with SMTP id AA22558 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 23:35:34 +0200 Received: by zman.pp.fi with Microsoft Mail id <01BABEB3.5DE4A940@zman.pp.fi>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 23:35:28 +-200 Message-Id: <01BABEB3.5DE4A940@zman.pp.fi> From: Jouko Sivusalo To: 'Sgroup list' Subject: sgroup new face ... Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:33:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all ! I'am new face on the list, I own S-760 and Fujitsu 530 hd + 2-Speed CD-Rom. + ECM-5400 ega monitor. My previous sampler was S-750 / SyQuest 44. jouko.sivusalo@zman.pp.fi - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 01:12:39 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-2>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 01:12:24 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 01:02:58 -0500 Received: from opal.spawar.navy.mil ([192.26.7.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 01:02:24 -0500 Received: from smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil by opal.spawar.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22833; Thu, 30 Nov 95 00:59:38 EST Received: from cc:Mail by smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil id AA817722171; Thu, 30 Nov 95 00:19:18 EST Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 00:19:18 -0500 From: ramsayd@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil Encoding: 21 Text Message-Id: <9510308177.AA817722171@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, Warren Hunt Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI Interface kit for S550 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Sorry, the S550 will only recognize 20, 40 or 80 MB HDs, as for the ribbon hookup, I doubt that. Anybody? Doug ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: sgroup SCSI Interface kit for S550 Author: Warren Hunt at smtp-gw Date: 11/29/95 12:41 PM Non of my local music dealers sell or stock the SCSI interface kit, I = have poped open my unit and I see that there is a 50 pin male connector, = I'm wondering if I could purchase a 50 pin ribbon female cable on one = end and a standard SCSI interface on the other and then hook it into my = SCSI case. I am also wondering if I can put a 500 MB FUJI HD in that = case? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 04:42:48 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88202-1>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:42:46 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id EAA30682 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:42:41 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:31:17 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com ([198.68.32.51]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:30:02 -0500 Received: from usr4.primenet.com (root@usr4.primenet.com [198.68.32.14]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id CAA26659 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 02:29:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [204.212.59.29] (ip029.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.29]) by usr4.primenet.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA08183 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 02:29:41 -0700 (MST) X-Sender: mrn@mailhost.primenet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:36:42 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: mrn@primenet.com (Mark R. Nathan) Subject: sgroup Upgrade options? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello there folks. I own an S-330 and was qurious to what upgrade options I may or may no have for the sampler. Anything? Memory, balanced outs, scsi interface/HD? Also noticed that when my monitor (monochrome) is pluged in via shielded RCA I get this horrific buzz through all outputs. will an RGB (color monitor) take care of this. Any suggestions? Thanks! Mark Nathan mrn@primenet.com _____________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ Mark R. Nathan http://www.primenet.com/~mrn mrn@primenet.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 05:21:59 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-3>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:21:56 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id FAA09472 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:21:48 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <37>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:10:17 -0500 Received: from mailgate.telecom.ie ([159.134.141.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:09:26 -0500 Received: from smtpgw.dundrum.telecom.ie by mailgate.telecom.ie (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18450; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:08:29 GMT Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgw id AA817754772 Thu, 30 Nov 95 10:06:12 gmt Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:06:12 -0500 From: emanning@telecom.ie Message-Id: <9510308177.AA817754772@smtpgw> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI Interface kit for S550 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO The Roland SCSI interface for the S550 is a PCB with some chips on it so your cable idea won't work. Maybe try a hard disk supplier aimed at the sampler market (I got mine from DAC in the U.K. who had a couple left over). If you can get the part number for this PCB (i.e. not for the whole SCSI kit) then order it from Roland's spares department. The rest of the SCSI kit is just the manual and software - which can be obtained elsewhere. *** Extra *** Extra *** Extra *** Extra *** Extra *** I haven't got any replies yet to my request for a Sysex to load/dump individual patches from the S550 over midi. H E L P :-) *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** Ed ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: sgroup SCSI Interface kit for S550 Author: Warren Hunt at csgnet Date: 29/11/95 17:48 Non of my local music dealers sell or stock the SCSI interface kit, I = have poped open my unit and I see that there is a 50 pin male connector, = I'm wondering if I could purchase a 50 pin ribbon female cable on one = end and a standard SCSI interface on the other and then hook it into my = SCSI case. I am also wondering if I can put a 500 MB FUJI HD in that = case? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 05:58:30 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88202-3>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:58:28 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id FAA20553 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:58:18 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:49:53 -0500 Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com ([198.4.9.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:49:17 -0500 Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA27080; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:49:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:47:45 -0500 From: Francois DECHERY <100635.3064@compuserve.com> To: Roland S-series List Subject: sgroup Turbokit / RAS770 Message-ID: <951130104745_100635.3064_BHL64-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hello everyboby, I own a S770 since a long time. Does anybody know what exacly do the "turbo kit" for S770? Is it possible to put something (Rom, Eprom, etc...) on the RAS770 (expensive memory board)? I know there is 8 (?) Rom sockets ! Best regards Francois PS: I'm a brand new subscriber in this List: Is there a way to get sgroup mail in one "digest" list per day? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 07:16:43 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88202-2>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:16:34 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id HAA10450 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:16:28 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:06:50 -0500 Received: from coyote.csusm.edu ([144.37.1.41]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <39>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:05:47 -0500 Received: from ciscots2_2.csusm.edu by coyote.csusm.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/TM-7.19-4) id AA58264; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:05:25 -0800 Message-Id: <9511301205.AA58264@coyote.csusm.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James W. Thomas" Organization: Nation of Lies To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:19:12 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI Interface kit for S550 Reply-To: thoma003@coyote.csusm.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.22) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Non of my local music dealers sell or stock the SCSI interface kit, > I = have poped open my unit and I see that there is a 50 pin male > connector, = I'm wondering if I could purchase a 50 pin ribbon > female cable on one = end and a standard SCSI interface on the other > and then hook it into my = SCSI case. I am also wondering if I can > put a 500 MB FUJI HD in that = case? > For whatever it's worth, since they treat HDs somewhat similarly, I have a W30 with a 100MB Quantum hooked up to it. The W30 will only recognize it as 80MB (the max), though. I also hooked up a 730MB Quantum Lightning to it just to test the drive, and it worked fine, again seeing it as 80MB. I suspect the 500MB drive would work, but it'd be a waste functioning at only 80MB. Also, since we're on the subject, I have a 60MB Seagate drive that I've used for this purpose with (though I didn't use it in) an Apple Crate cabinet. I'll sell it "best reasonable offer." I'm getting rid of it because I don't need it since I have two other drives running with the W30 as well. ___________________________________________________________ _|ames \/\/. Thomas |\|ation of |_ies http://www.csusm.edu/public/thoma003/nol.html Send email for inclusion on the Nation of Lies mailing list ___________________________________________________________ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 07:28:44 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88203-3>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:28:38 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id HAA12637 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:28:34 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <39>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:16:25 -0500 Received: from coyote.csusm.edu ([144.37.1.41]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:05:54 -0500 Received: from ciscots2_2.csusm.edu by coyote.csusm.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/TM-7.19-4) id AA58284; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:05:34 -0800 Message-Id: <9511301205.AA58284@coyote.csusm.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James W. Thomas" Organization: Nation of Lies To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:19:12 -0500 Subject: sgroup W30 CD + HD OS Reply-To: thoma003@coyote.csusm.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.22) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO At long last I've gotten the SCSI port on my W30 going (victim of bad cables). 2 Questions: a) I have ver 1.04 of the HD operating system. Is there an update to that? b) Am I locked into the Roland CD (CD-5?), or can I use another external SCSI? Thanks, ___________________________________________________________ _|ames \/\/. Thomas |\|ation of |_ies http://www.csusm.edu/public/thoma003/nol.html Send email for inclusion on the Nation of Lies mailing list ___________________________________________________________ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 08:29:16 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-2>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:29:05 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <67>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:17:38 -0500 Received: from odhin.hil.no ([128.39.109.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:16:48 -0500 Received: from ccmail.hil.no by odhin.hil.no with SMTP id AA02489 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for <@odhin.hil.no:sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca>); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:02:04 +0100 Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.hil.no (1.30/SMTPLink) id A19038; Thu, 30 Nov 95 14:17:27 SET Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:17:27 -0500 From: Stein Tore Sonsteli Message-Id: <9511301417.A19038@ccmail.hil.no> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup S-330 Sys-version Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi all, I've just bought a S-330 to replace my S-550 for live work (less weight to carry :). My S-330 came with Sys 1.01. I've downloaded sys.1.03 from lotus.uwaterloo.ca, but what are the differences between 1.01 and 1.03? Is 1.03 the latest sys. version? Stein Tore - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 09:31:01 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-3>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:30:57 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:21:51 -0500 Received: from central.picker.com ([144.54.31.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:21:02 -0500 Received: from ct.picker.com by central.picker.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0tL9ex-0004rwC; Thu, 30 Nov 95 09:08 EST Received: from kayak ([144.54.49.45]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28977; Thu, 30 Nov 95 09:08:19 EST Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:08:19 -0500 From: shermane@ct.picker.com (Sherman) Message-Id: <9511301408.AA28977@ct.picker.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI Interface kit for S550 Cc: mikod@mindspring.com Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO mikod@mindspring.com asks: > Non of my local music dealers sell or stock the SCSI interface kit, I > have poped open my unit and I see that there is a 50 pin male connector, > I'm wondering if I could purchase a 50 pin ribbon female cable on one > end and a standard SCSI interface on the other and then hook it into my The 50 pin header IS the standard SCSI connector. Apple computer came up with the DB-25 version of the SCSI connector. Check an Apple dealer for a 50-to-DB25 adaptor cable. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 12:52:27 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88207-1>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:52:15 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id MAA13776 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:52:05 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:43:20 -0500 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu ([128.138.129.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:42:30 -0500 Received: (from lyk@localhost) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) id KAA28927; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:41:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:41:14 -0500 From: lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu To: "Mark R. Nathan" cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Upgrade options? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well, I have an RGB monitor, but i don't h the special PIN cable for color, so i use the monochrome rca plug, i hear a faint fuzz on all output as well! On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Mark R. Nathan wrote: > Hello there folks. I own an S-330 and was qurious to what upgrade options > I may or may no have for the sampler. > > Anything? Memory, balanced outs, scsi interface/HD? > > Also noticed that when my monitor (monochrome) is pluged in via shielded RCA > I get this horrific buzz through all outputs. will an RGB (color monitor) > take care of this. Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Mark Nathan > mrn@primenet.com > > > _____________________________________________________________ > _____________________________________________________________ > Mark R. Nathan http://www.primenet.com/~mrn > mrn@primenet.com > > > > > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 13:06:33 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-1>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:06:20 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:53:39 -0500 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu ([128.138.129.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:52:17 -0500 Received: (from lyk@localhost) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) id KAA02848; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:51:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:51:49 -0500 From: lyk@ucsub.colorado.edu To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup selling my S550!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well folks, .. I'm planing to get a new 16bit sampler, so I guess I'll sell my S550, It does have the SCSI interface with a 20 meg apple HD. Most of my samples are from the FTP site that has the standard factory library for all roland samplers. It also comes with an RGB monitor although, I don't have the PIN connector for it (goto radio shack), an RCA cable works fine. I'm asking $500 or best offers. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 15:13:24 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-3>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:13:16 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <37>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:03:17 -0500 Received: from mcs.nl ([194.178.19.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:02:27 -0500 Received: from mcs.mcs.nl (async4.mcs.nl [194.178.19.69]) by mcs.nl (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00339 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:03:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:03:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199511302103.WAA00339@mcs.nl> X-Sender: smile@mcs.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: smile@mcs.nl (Smile!) Subject: sgroup W30 CD + HD OS Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >At long last I've gotten the SCSI port on my W30 going (victim of bad >cables). 2 Questions: > >a) I have ver 1.04 of the HD operating system. Is there an update to >that? I have 1.07. I did an upload to a ftp-side but forgot the name. I'm willing to upload it again. Gr. Kees --> A day NOT laughed is a day NOT lived... Smile :-) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 15:47:33 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88202-1>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:47:29 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id PAA26980 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:47:24 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <39>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:36:41 -0500 Received: from charlie.rz.uni-frankfurt.de ([141.2.21.79]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:35:51 -0500 Received: from mars (actually dialin187.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) by charlie.rz.uni-frankfurt.de with Local SMTP (PP); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:14:05 +0100 Message-ID: <30BE1117.488A@stud.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:16:23 -0500 From: Mickey Organization: JWG Uni Frankfurt X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (Windows; I; 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francois DECHERY <100635.3064@compuserve.com> CC: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Turbokit / RAS770 References: <951130104745_100635.3064_BHL64-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Francois DECHERY wrote: > Does anybody know what exacly do the "turbo kit" for S770? The turbo kit contains an Intel 80186/16Mhz processor instead of an Intel 80186/8Mhz built in S750/S770. Therefore, most operations , especially the screen update run at double speed. It's a must-have! > Is it possible to put something (Rom, Eprom, etc...) on the RAS770 (expensive > memory board)? I know there is 8 (?) Rom sockets ! Expensive memory board is good, hey! :-) There are 4 RAM(!) sockets on the expansion board. You can fill the 4 slots with 30 pin 4 MB or 1 MB SIMMS. Regards, -=========================================- - Michael 'Mickey' Lauer - - -=========================================- - SMTP: mlauer@stud.uni-frankfurt.de - - HTTP: //www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~mlauer - -=========================================- -using Roland, Yamaha, Emu, Ensoniq & Korg- -=========================================- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 18:46:55 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-3>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:46:44 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <28>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:36:05 -0500 Received: from acs.eku.edu ([157.89.8.64]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:25:57 -0500 Received: from ACS.EKU.EDU by ACS.EKU.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #11885) id <01HY97SMQDA8001I1M@ACS.EKU.EDU> for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:25:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:25:05 -0500 From: STUMCBRI@ACS.EKU.EDU Subject: sgroup IN%"SELLING MY W30" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-id: <01HY97SMQPIQ001I1M@ACS.EKU.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I am selling my Roland W30. It's in mint condition and has only been used at my home. It comes with all the manuals, including a few outside help books, a DP-2 pedal, keyboard stand, hard carrying case, all necessary cables, 30+ disks worth of sounds, and two Roland MA-12C monitor speakers. Asking $1000 OBO. Will consider any resonable offer. Contact me at stumcbri@acs.eku.edu with any questions or offers. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 19:08:07 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88202-2>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:08:00 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12UW) with SMTP id TAA26829 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:07:55 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <159>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:57:15 -0500 Received: from borg.mindspring.com ([204.180.128.14]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:21:36 -0500 Received: from mikod.mindspring.com [168.121.26.195] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id SAA13867 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:21:14 -0500 Received: by mikod.mindspring.com with Microsoft Mail id <01A8FA4D.B2FA6BE0@mikod.mindspring.com>; Thu, 24 Jan 1980 18:29:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01A8FA4D.B2FA6BE0@mikod.mindspring.com> From: MIko To: "'sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca'" Subject: sgroup Thanks!! Date: Thu, 24 Jan 1980 18:29:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Thank you all for your information concerning my S550!!, I hope that I = will be able to contribute some help in the future. If anyone knows where I can purchase a SCSI interface kit for my S550 I = would appreciate the info!! I also have an item for sale/trade: Studio Vision AV for Macintosh, = Version 1.2.9 lastest version!! only 3 weeks old!, All manuals = included!, I will transfer registration also!! Again thank you for all of your help miko - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Nov 30 19:22:18 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88198-1>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:22:11 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:07:50 -0500 Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com ([198.4.7.4]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <20>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:27:52 -0500 Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA13680; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:27:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:26:21 -0500 From: Francois DECHERY <100635.3064@compuserve.com> To: Roland S-series List Subject: Re> Re: sgroup Turbokit / RAS770 Message-ID: <951130222621_100635.3064_BHL102-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Mickey Thanks for help about Turbo Kit ! You wrote about RAS770: >Expensive memory board is good, hey! :-) There are 4 RAM(!) sockets on the >expansion board. You can fill the 4 slots with 30 pin 4 MB or 1 MB SIMMS. Sorry, you described the RAS750 card! Mine is a RAS770, much more expensive :-(, with 14 1MB simm sockets and 8 Eprom-like sockets. Any info ? (more Ram, ROMs, ...) Regards, francois (my surname is Donald Duck; It's not a joke!) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca