From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue May 2 00:01:39 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Tue, 2 May 1995 00:01:33 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Mon, 1 May 1995 23:45:07 -0400 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com ([152.163.172.53]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 1 May 1995 23:44:13 -0400 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA167346241; Mon, 1 May 1995 23:44:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 23:44:01 -0400 From: MJKocisci@aol.com Message-Id: <950501225934_103451098@aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup js-30 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R >Has anyone used or seen the new ROLAND JS-30 Sampler workstation?? Yes. I got to look at (but did not test) one of these over the weekend while shopping at Sam Ash. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who's played with one, and if possible, compare it to the MS-1 (entry level phrase sample unit). Thanks! Mark MJKocisci@AOL.com From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed May 3 11:56:57 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:56:52 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77225-2>; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:56:47 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:41:25 -0400 Received: from open.cc.etf.hr ([161.53.70.141]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Wed, 3 May 1995 10:25:59 -0400 Received: (from rkahler@localhost) by open.cc.etf.hr (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA04491 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 3 May 1995 15:09:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:09:04 -0400 From: Robert Kahler Message-Id: <199505031309.PAA04491@open.cc.etf.hr> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup W30 + Avalon 2.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi ! Please , help. I have Roland W-30 , Atari MEGA 4 and Avalon 2.0. I have being trying to dump samples from W-30 to Avalon via MMA dump standard , but Avalon's keep reporting 'MIDI timeout error'. Is connection W-30 & Avalon possible at all ? Am I doing something wrong ? Kahler Robert rkahler\@open.hr From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri May 5 15:46:20 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Fri, 5 May 1995 15:46:10 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Fri, 5 May 1995 15:24:26 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Fri, 5 May 1995 15:23:35 -0400 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA20044; Fri, 5 May 95 15:23:35 EDT From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from acropolis by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA18398; Fri, 5 May 95 15:23:10 EDT Received: by acropolis (4.1/DCS-aloft_spooler-S2.1) id AA04269; Fri, 5 May 95 15:23:09 EDT Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 15:23:09 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9505051923.AA04269@acropolis> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: sgroup 550/760 SCSI & 760 SIMMs Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R I haven't installed that HD5-IF SCSI interface into my S550, yet. I'm at work but I seem to recall a lack of documentation with my interface, so I may be asking what hard disks and CD-ROM players will work with this setup. Wasn't there an 80Meg limit on the disk that the S550 can handle? I know that the S760 has a 600Meg limit. Just out of curiosity, what causes these limits? Why should there be any limit at all? I just connected a Glyph unit to my S760. Man, is it nice to save to and load from its SyQuest 270Meg removable! And the CD-ROM drive is nice, too. Jim Norman gave me the names of three places to get SIMMs for the S760. It looks like the real power opens up with added RAM! Unfortunately, SIMMs are real expensive and they just went up 10%!!! These are the contacts Jim gave me. I called them all for prices of 16Meg, 72 pin SIMMs. Custom Services 818-881-6185 $555 each, $537 for 10 or more pay by cashier check or money order Memory International 800-266-0488 Duane Obards $555 each, $545 each for 4 or more, $540 each for 10 or more pay by VISA, MC Simple Technology 714-476-1180 ext 241 800-367-7330 ext 241 Jim $545 each, no price breaks with quantities pay by VISA, money order All three places offer a lifetime guaranty. Simple Technology has the lowest single price and Jim seemed the most knowledgable, but I felt he had a bit of an attitude. He sells these SIMMs to AT&T for their laptop PCs, Globalist 200 and 250. Duane at M.I. seemed the nicest and was the only one to say the phrase "customer service." He sells to Apple. Both places mentioned that they are wafer fabs (i.e. they make the memories themselves - not foreign imports!) Only Duane seemed impressed that I'm a DSP Product engineer at AT&T's wafer fab in Allentown, Pa. The guy at Custom didn't identify himself but seemed knowledgable. He didn't mention if Custom is a fab or a distributor. The reason I'm going through all this is, if I can get together an order for 10 or more, then I could deal with Duane (who I liked) AND get the lowest price. Duane will even drop ship each person's SIMMs directly. I'd place the order and pay by VISA once the last check clears. Shipping would run between $5 and $15, depending on speed, distance, etc. If I can't put together a deal, then I'll buy from Simple because they have the lowest single price. Let me know what you think. Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri May 5 17:53:51 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Fri, 5 May 1995 17:53:46 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <15>; Fri, 5 May 1995 17:42:58 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Fri, 5 May 1995 17:42:09 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA13790 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Fri, 5 May 1995 17:41:46 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (940406.SGI/5.17) id AA07723; Fri, 5 May 95 17:41:45 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (940406.SGI/5.17) id AA20765; Fri, 5 May 95 17:41:44 -0400 From: stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9505052141.AA20765@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: sgroup TR-909 sounds, where? To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 17:41:43 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 601 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I'm looking for TR-909 sounds for my S-50. Samdisk or SampleVision format accepted. (I you have another format, well, I can still manage) :) Cheers! Marc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc St-Jacques "Allons, bon! Qu'est-ce qu'il me veut encore!!! C'est pas dans ces conditions que j'arriverai a passer ma these." stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca - Kador, par Binet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 8 01:15:14 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Mon, 8 May 1995 01:15:11 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Mon, 8 May 1995 00:46:43 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 8 May 1995 00:46:07 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88166-1>; Mon, 8 May 1995 00:45:45 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Announcement Roland Digital World On-Line Message-Id: <95May8.004545edt.88166-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 00:45:39 -0400 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I got this in the mail, and I thought the folks on the list might be interested ... John | From imagic.be!ghannon Mon May 8 00:05:57 1995 | From: Geert Hannon | To: jmsellens@watdragon.UWaterloo.ca | Subject: Announcement Roland Digital World On-Line | | ROLAND (the market leader in digital instruments) is now on-line! | Midi questions and files, new products, new sounds & samples, | the ROLAND academy,... To anyone in music: add the URL | http://www.imagic.be/roland/ to your bookmarks, and fill in | the questionnaire so that ROLAND knows what you really | expect from them! | | Just make a hyperlink and let us know | by e-mail (ghannon@imagic.be)! | | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | | iM@Gic | Geert Hannon | Jan van Rijswijcklaan, 74 | 2018 Antwerp (Belgium) | Tel: +32/3/248.20.41 | Fax: +32/3/216.92.76 | GSM: +32/75/26.53.37 | E-mail: ghannon@imagic.be | URL: http://www.imagic.be/imagic/ From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat May 13 21:24:23 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Sat, 13 May 1995 21:24:07 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77550-1>; Sat, 13 May 1995 21:23:55 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Sat, 13 May 1995 21:07:08 -0400 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.2.0.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sat, 13 May 1995 21:06:14 -0400 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (5.64/10.0) id AA29503; Sat, 13 May 95 20:04:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 20:04:32 -0400 From: patterso@uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: <9505140004.AA29503@xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup backing up a hardrive for a s-760 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi fellow sgroupers, I have a little problem that I am hoping someone has a solution for. I just bought a 270MB removable drive and wish to back up the hard drive attached to my s-760. The problem is that all my patches are not in performances as some patches are saved individually, similarly all performances do not form part of a volume. Is there an easy way to back up this hard drive? As it is, the best I can think of is first copy all patches from the hard drive and samples that have already been copied. As you can imagine this is a very long roundabout way of just copying everything on the harddrive can anyone suggest a simpler way to do it? Secondly does anyone know if the S-760 is compatible with the new Iomega Zip 100Mb removable drives? Thanks in advance, richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun May 14 10:22:03 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-1>; Sun, 14 May 1995 10:21:54 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Sun, 14 May 1995 10:10:10 -0400 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com ([192.100.81.136]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sun, 14 May 1995 10:09:19 -0400 Received: from by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA27479; Sun, 14 May 1995 07:08:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 10:08:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199505141408.HAA27479@netcom22.netcom.com> X-Sender: mylesw@netcom22.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: patterso@uwimona.edu.jm From: mylesw@netcom.com (Myles Wakeham) Subject: Re: sgroup backing up a hardrive for a s-760 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R >Secondly does anyone know if the S-760 is compatible with the new Iomega >Zip 100Mb removable drives? Well I ordered one of these drives a week ago, and there's a huge backorder on them at the moment. I should hope that it is coz that's why I bought it. When I get it on my SCSI chain, I'll let you know how it works. Myles ========================================================================= From: Myles Wakeham Los Angeles, CA mylesw@netcom.com "I never advocate the use of drugs, weirdness, sex and violence to anyone, but its always worked for me" - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson. From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 15 23:18:14 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-3>; Mon, 15 May 1995 23:18:04 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77682-2>; Mon, 15 May 1995 23:17:52 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Mon, 15 May 1995 22:59:27 -0400 Received: from dn.net ([204.91.31.71]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 15 May 1995 22:58:50 -0400 Received: from csgi.com (fc-gw.csgi.com [204.91.31.10]) by dn.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA02586 for ; Mon, 15 May 1995 21:55:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 00:00:34 -0400 From: Doug_Ramsay@csgi.com (Doug Ramsay) Organization: digitalnation@dca Subject: sgroup Re: Users of S-330,S-550, S-50etc. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-ID: <982029.ensmtp@csgi.com> Priority: normal X-Mailer: ExpressNet/SMTP v1.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R In message ID <3p6qah$li3@moe.cc.emory.edu> on 5/15/95, mhan@curly.cc.emory.edu wrote: > Hello Comrades, > > I am in desperate need of a manual which explains how to use the > Director-S sequencer software which came with my S-330. If you happen to > own a version of Director-S sequencing software & have the manual > for it, PLEASE e-mail me. I will pay for all copying charges (of > the manual, that is) and even for your time. > > Thank You, > > Martin :) > > The same here... Thanks, Doug / `-' / ,,, |[====|||||||||||[:::} My kind of "g-strings" \__.-._\ ``` Acknowledge Him Productions - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sent via digitalNATION the premier FirstClass System (703) 642.0453 digitalNATION access provided by Computer Services Group, Inc. a World Wide Web and Internet Access Provider Phone: (703) 642.2800 or email sales@csgi.com for info -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue May 16 03:42:53 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Tue, 16 May 1995 03:42:49 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Tue, 16 May 1995 03:28:43 -0400 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se ([130.100.2.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Tue, 16 May 1995 03:27:32 -0400 Received: from nisms.tei.ericsson.se (nisms.tei.ericsson.se [141.137.75.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id JAA15928 for ; Tue, 16 May 1995 09:26:54 +0200 Received: from hawk.ericsson.se.tei.ericsson.se ([141.137.74.21]) by nisms.tei.ericsson.se (4.1/LME-2.2.1) id AA29615; Tue, 16 May 95 09:27:06 +0200 From: Roberto.Ceteroni@nisms.tei.ericsson.se (Ceteroni Roberto) Received: by hawk.ericsson.se.tei.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA08906; Tue, 16 May 95 09:27:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 03:27:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9505160727.AA08906@hawk.ericsson.se.tei.ericsson.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup S330_SOUNDS? Cc: ceteroni@nisms.tei.ericsson.se Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello everybody... Does anyone knows if there is a site where are sounds ready-made for my S-330 ? I' d like to know if these sounds are in right format to play directly on the sampler of I 'll need to convert in some way. This is my first mail,and I wish to greet all of you. Roberto From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed May 17 09:27:00 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 17 May 1995 09:26:56 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Wed, 17 May 1995 09:03:29 -0400 Received: from fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com ([199.184.182.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Wed, 17 May 1995 09:02:35 -0400 Received: from jimw@fullfeed.com by fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com (8.6.9/FF-1.1) id IAA17067; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:02:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 09:02:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199505171302.IAA17067@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com> X-Sender: jimw@pop.fullfeed.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: jimw@msn.fullfeed.com (Jim Wohlgemuth) Subject: sgroup FS: S550 SCSI Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R I have an HD5-IF SCSI adapter for the S550 which I've never used. First $150 (plus shipping) gets it. All manuals, disk, box, of course are included. Reply E-mail or landline at 608.429.2976 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed May 17 14:51:29 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 17 May 1995 14:51:21 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Wed, 17 May 1995 14:33:09 -0400 Received: from duncan.cs.utk.edu ([128.169.94.83]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Wed, 17 May 1995 14:32:18 -0400 Received: by duncan.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA14333; Wed, 17 May 1995 14:32:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 14:32:08 -0400 From: Derek Christopher Jeter Subject: Re: sgroup FS: S550 SCSI To: Jim Wohlgemuth cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <199505171302.IAA17067@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Will this work with the S50 keyboard version as well? | Derek Jeter == djeter@cs.utk.edu == http://www.cs.utk.edu/~djeter/ | | Computer Science Department, University of Tennessee, Knoxville | On Wed, 17 May 1995, Jim Wohlgemuth wrote: > I have an HD5-IF SCSI adapter for the S550 which I've never used. > First $150 (plus shipping) gets it. > All manuals, disk, box, of course are included. > > Reply E-mail or landline at 608.429.2976 > > > From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu May 18 12:10:42 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Thu, 18 May 1995 12:10:32 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77157-4>; Thu, 18 May 1995 12:10:30 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Thu, 18 May 1995 11:49:44 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Thu, 18 May 1995 11:48:49 -0400 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA09685; Thu, 18 May 95 11:48:52 EDT From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from acropolis by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA10677; Thu, 18 May 95 11:48:31 EDT Received: by acropolis (4.1/DCS-aloft_spooler-S2.1) id AA25916; Thu, 18 May 95 11:48:29 EDT Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:48:29 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9505181548.AA25916@acropolis> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: sgroup Re: Users of S-330,S-550, S-50etc. Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Director-S is fairly easy to use, but beware. There is a 300 event limit per pattern. This means that many songs I've done have two measure patterns. This is inconvenient if you want your patterns to be 4, 8, or 16 bars long or the size of a chorus or verse, or if you thickly orchestrate your music. Smaller chunks are harder to keep the flow and feel smooth. But it can be done, I've used Director-S for years. Now I'm trying to use a hardware sequencer but my working style is so pattern-based from using Director-S for so long! I can loan out my manual, so Martin, send me your address. When you're done copying the manual, send it to Doug. Doug, send Martin (and me, too) your address. When you're done copying the manual, send it back to me. I'll send you my address. Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu May 18 12:26:35 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Thu, 18 May 1995 12:26:22 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Thu, 18 May 1995 12:11:31 -0400 Received: from watserv1.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.128.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Thu, 18 May 1995 12:10:24 -0400 Received: from gw1.att.com by watserv1.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 May 95 12:00:38 -0400 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA13518; Thu, 18 May 95 11:56:53 EDT From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from acropolis by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA10795; Thu, 18 May 95 11:56:39 EDT Received: by acropolis (4.1/DCS-aloft_spooler-S2.1) id AA25940; Thu, 18 May 95 11:56:37 EDT Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:56:37 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9505181556.AA25940@acropolis> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: sgroup Preview CD-ROM Mystery Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R To S-7xx owners, The Roland PREVIEW CD-ROM that came with my S-760 puzzles me a little bit. I just added 32Meg of sample RAM and am loading Volumes like crazy. But some Volumes are only 0.1 second. What gives here, anybody know? Also, in the Sound List portion of the CD-ROM's booklet, it says: "* The number in parenthesis() indicates the numeric position when particular files with the same Vol. ID are sorted." I haven't read the manual about sorting, yet, but when I do, will this quote still be a mystery to me? What does it mean? Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat May 20 10:18:34 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Sat, 20 May 1995 10:18:25 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Sat, 20 May 1995 10:03:40 -0400 Received: from public.kat.lth.se ([130.235.79.107]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sat, 20 May 1995 10:02:47 -0400 Received: from katz13.kat.lth.se by public.kat.lth.se ((null)) with SMTP id AA1623 ; Sat, 20 May 95 15:02:43 CET X-Sender: magnus_ehlde@public.kat.lth.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: magnus_ehlde@public.kat.lth.se (Magnus Ehlde) Subject: sgroup S50 and hard disk Message-Id: <95May20.100247edt.11@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 10:02:36 -0400 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi, I don't know if it is ok to send a question to this address, but anyhow here it is. I have an S-50 sampler which I seldom use nowadays. The main reason for this is the mess with all the diskettes and the time it takes loading them. I also happen to have a hard disk for a PC. Is it possible to connect the hard disk to the S-50? Do I have to buy some kind of interface, and if so, what does it cost and where can I get it? It is a pity to have my old friend (S-50) standing in a corner collectiong dust. It is still quite a good instrument, despite its age. Thankful for an answer Magnus Ehlde Lund, Sweden From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat May 20 19:08:15 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Sat, 20 May 1995 19:08:10 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Sat, 20 May 1995 18:56:40 -0400 Received: from wr.com.au ([203.12.42.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sat, 20 May 1995 18:56:03 -0400 Received: by wr.com.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4-1.0) id AA02140; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:56:55 +1000 Message-Id: <9505202256.AA02140@wr.com.au> Subject: Re: sgroup S50 and hard disk To: magnus_ehlde@public.kat.lth.se (Magnus Ehlde) Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 18:56:54 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) In-Reply-To: <95May20.100247edt.11@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> from "Magnus Ehlde" at May 20, 95 10:02:36 am From: nic@wr.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} I don't know if it is ok to send a question to this address, but anyhow here I think it is probably OK. :-) => it is. I have an S-50 sampler which I seldom use nowadays. The main reason => for this is the mess with all the diskettes and the time it takes loading => them. I also happen to have a hard disk for a PC. Is it possible to connect => the hard disk to the S-50? Do I have to buy some kind of interface, and if => so, what does it cost and where can I get it? => It is a pity to have my old friend (S-50) standing in a corner collectiong => dust. It is still quite a good instrument, despite its age. First of all, your PC hard disk needs to be SCSI and be listed on the Roland S50 compatibility sheet that you should have with your sampler. After that you need a SCSI i/f kit, which I understand has been discontinued but some kind people post here every now and then if they find one or two sitting on a shop floor somewhere. Also, some people post on this group if they are selling one. Finally, I believe you can access at most 80Mb drives with the kit. I own an S750, so if my info is incorrect, could any S50 owner please correct or elaborate. Regards, Nic. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sat May 20 22:20:56 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Sat, 20 May 1995 22:20:49 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <15>; Sat, 20 May 1995 22:10:38 -0400 Received: from brahms.udel.edu ([128.175.13.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sat, 20 May 1995 22:09:48 -0400 Received: (from borg@localhost) by brahms.udel.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA14223; Sat, 20 May 1995 22:09:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 22:09:30 -0400 From: Zarge Jeffrey R To: Nic Grant cc: Magnus Ehlde , Roland Samplers Subject: Re: sgroup S50 and hard disk In-Reply-To: <9505202256.AA02140@wr.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R On Sat, 20 May 1995, Nic Grant wrote: > to quote Magnus Ehlde: > => I don't know if it is ok to send a question to this address, but anyhow here > > I think it is probably OK. :-) > > => it is. I have an S-50 sampler which I seldom use nowadays. The main reason > => for this is the mess with all the diskettes and the time it takes loading > => them. I also happen to have a hard disk for a PC. Is it possible to connect > => the hard disk to the S-50? Do I have to buy some kind of interface, and if > => so, what does it cost and where can I get it? > => It is a pity to have my old friend (S-50) standing in a corner collectiong > => dust. It is still quite a good instrument, despite its age. > > First of all, your PC hard disk needs to be SCSI and be listed on the > Roland S50 compatibility sheet that you should have with your sampler. > After that you need a SCSI i/f kit, which I understand has been discontinued > but some kind people post here every now and then if they find one or two > sitting on a shop floor somewhere. Also, some people post on this > group if they are selling one. Finally, I believe you can access at most > 80Mb drives with the kit. > > I own an S750, so if my info is incorrect, could any S50 owner please > correct or elaborate. > > Regards, > Nic. > > I have a Roland W-30. I added a 80 MB hard drive to it about 2.5 years ago. I think what you said about the S750 is close to what I had to do.. But the W-30 and S750 both have SCSI ports.. I know the W-30 needs an extra chip put in to it that runs about $180 the last time I checked... I am unsure about the S-50 though.. I used one a long time ago and don't know if it has a SCSI port.. To Magnus, there are many third party companies that supply hard drives and other equipment for Roland keyboards.. If you get Roland User Group magazine, there is a list of companies that might carry the stuff you need. Plus you should try calling Roland to see if they know... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun May 21 08:45:51 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:45:47 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <16>; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:27:44 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com ([152.163.172.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:26:22 -0400 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA163489166; Sun, 21 May 1995 08:26:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 08:26:06 -0400 From: AlanDMuse@aol.com Message-Id: <950521082603_126261663@aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup WTB: S-550 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R I am wanting to sell my S-330 and get an S-550 in order to get mass storage capabiities. Anyone know of an S-550 thats being neglected and needs a good home? (and anyone want to buy my 330?). Alan D. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun May 21 11:51:04 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Sun, 21 May 1995 11:50:53 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <18>; Sun, 21 May 1995 11:32:11 -0400 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu ([128.135.12.73]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sun, 21 May 1995 11:31:21 -0400 Received: from quads.uchicago.edu (quads.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.63]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA11763 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 10:31:18 -0500 Received: (akarnaus@localhost) by quads.uchicago.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id KAA04094 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Sun, 21 May 1995 10:31:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 11:31:15 -0400 From: Alexander Karnauskas To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup CD-ROMS for S-760 and such.... Message-ID: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone out there could give me (and maybe others) some input on CD-ROMS they have purchased, and where from. For myself, I have XX-Large Analogue Dreams from east-west for $199 and find it too be not worth the money (maybe for about $99) at all. The percussion sound are minimal if at all, and the variety is pretty bad overall as well. For instance, many of the synth sounds are quite "thin" and "drone" sounding. Anyway, anyone else have a different opinion. Finally, the Now CD-ROM from east-west I find to be an excellent purchase for $99. The variety is great, samples fresh, and includes some excellent demos. Although basically it is a "demo" like disk of various artists, it gives great insight into what is available, at least from east-west distributors. So, I am anxious to here what else people have to say. ALthough my collection is small and I am new to sampling, I am curious as to what else is out there (and don't feel like wasting money on dumb CD-ROMS since they are so expensive and non-refundable, like I did with Analogue Dreams). When in doubt, sample it... Alex K. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun May 21 14:09:50 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Sun, 21 May 1995 14:09:40 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <19>; Sun, 21 May 1995 13:56:40 -0400 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sun, 21 May 1995 13:55:34 -0400 Received: from duncan.cs.utk.edu ([128.169.94.83]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77166-3>; Sun, 21 May 1995 13:55:18 -0400 Received: by duncan.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA14569; Sun, 21 May 1995 13:53:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 13:53:50 -0400 From: Derek Christopher Jeter Subject: Re: sgroup S50 and hard disk To: Roland Samplers In-Reply-To: <9505202256.AA02140@wr.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R On Sat, 20 May 1995, Nic Grant wrote: > First of all, your PC hard disk needs to be SCSI and be listed on the > Roland S50 compatibility sheet that you should have with your sampler. > After that you need a SCSI i/f kit, which I understand has been discontinued > but some kind people post here every now and then if they find one or two > sitting on a shop floor somewhere. Also, some people post on this > group if they are selling one. Finally, I believe you can access at most > 80Mb drives with the kit. > > I own an S750, so if my info is incorrect, could any S50 owner please > correct or elaborate. I've never seen or heard of a SCSI interface kit for the S50... I was told Roland never even made one at the local music store... People on here talk about them, but I have never seen 'em! If anyone has one, I'd sure like to grab it! | Derek Jeter == djeter@cs.utk.edu == http://www.cs.utk.edu/~djeter/ | | Computer Science Department, University of Tennessee, Knoxville | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun May 21 14:59:12 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Sun, 21 May 1995 14:59:02 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <22>; Sun, 21 May 1995 14:49:32 -0400 Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu ([132.236.56.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sun, 21 May 1995 14:48:12 -0400 Received: from [132.236.155.103] (CU-DIALUP-0925.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.155.103]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03390 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 14:47:56 -0400 X-Sender: dsw4@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 14:48:49 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: dsw4@cornell.edu (Doug Wyatt) Subject: sgroup S-760, SMAC Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi, I'm a happy new owner of an S-760 and glad to discover this list exists. I've downloaded some things from the FTP archive and have questions. Is there a version of SMAC which works with the S-760 and HD floppies? The version in the archive complains about the disk image files being incorrect, and writes disks which are only partially readable. I verified that the disk images were downloaded okay by transferring them to a PC, where SDISK happily created working disks. I wrote to the author of SMAC, who told me that he did add HD floppy support at one time, but unfortunately lost the source code after mailing the program to some people on this list. Does anyone have this version of SMAC? If not I would be interested in writing a new program -- anyone have any relevant source? (I admit, I didn't look in the FTP archive very carefully for it). My other question is about the S-760 operating system. I received version 2.15 with my unit. I downloaded 2.16 from the FTP server but can't figure out how to make a working disk from it (tried both SMAC and SDISK). I'd appreciate any help. Doug --- Doug Wyatt "don't negate, create" programmer, Opcode Systems Inc. #include keyboards, Red Letter dsw4@cornell.edu http://www.io.com/~redlettr From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 01:54:45 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Mon, 22 May 1995 01:54:37 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Mon, 22 May 1995 01:44:17 -0400 Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu ([132.236.56.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 22 May 1995 01:43:26 -0400 Received: from [132.236.155.103] (CU-DIALUP-0828.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.155.74]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA23359 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 01:43:14 -0400 X-Sender: dsw4@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 01:44:07 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: dsw4@cornell.edu (Doug Wyatt) Subject: sgroup S-760 SCSI, sample dump Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Thanks to Nic Grant and Richard Sven for fast, helpful responses to my earlier questions. I have a few more. [1] Monday I'm going down to Glyph to look at some sort of rackmounted SCSI storage. I'm inclined towards a large (400-500 meg) hard disk, because I like the idea of having as much as possible in one place. I can occasionally borrow the 128 meg optical drive off my computer for backup. I have a couple of concerns about this idea though. How likely am I to run into the limitations on numbers of files on a disk drive (128 volumes, 512 performances, 1024 patches, 4096 partials, 8192 samples)? It seems like there could be a real danger of running into those. Would I be better off with a 128 meg optical (or 100 meg Zip drive if that works), where there wouldn't be the risk of wasting space due to the smaller drive size? Also, if I had a large HD, does the software support backing it up to multiple smaller removable disks? (e.g. if I have a 512 MB hard disk, will the software let me back it up to 4 128 MB optical disks in one operation?) What storage solutions have others chosen? [2] I'm interested in being able to take audio files from my computer (Mac SND, AIFF, WAV etc) and somehow download them to the S-760. I think Alchemy might be the way to do this on the Mac, and I have a friend who will be telling me more about that. Are there any free/shareware Mac sample dump utilities? A salesman at Sam Ash told me that Roland might support SCSI transfer of samples ("SMIDI"?) in a recent or near-future OS revision. Was he imagining things or can anyone tell me about this? Thanks in advance for any help ... let me know if I can return the favor in some way. Doug --- Doug Wyatt "don't negate, create" programmer, Opcode Systems Inc. #include keyboards, Red Letter dsw4@cornell.edu http://www.io.com/~redlettr From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 04:46:18 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Mon, 22 May 1995 04:46:11 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <24>; Mon, 22 May 1995 04:32:11 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 22 May 1995 04:31:18 -0400 Received: from uucp1.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyquk12791; Mon, 22 May 1995 04:31:07 -0400 Received: from korgrd.UUCP by uucp1.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Mon, 22 May 1995 04:31:07 -0400 Received: from korgsmtp by korgrd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04033; Mon, 22 May 95 01:03:59 PDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 05:11:17 -0400 From: "Dan" Subject: Re: sgroup CD-ROMS for S-760 To: uunet!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup@uunet.uu.net X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Reply to: RE>sgroup CD-ROMS for S-760 and such.... Alexander Karnauskas writes: > Hey everyone, > I was wondering if anyone out there could give me (and maybe others) > some input on CD-ROMS they have purchased, and where from. Ross Garfield Drums (from Big Fish) is full of superb drum sounds. Only complaints: 1. Pre-programmed stereo Patches have only two levels of velocity switching (the max that you can put in one Patch, using stereo samples ...but that's what Performances are for!). Many greater varieties of inflection are included only in "menu" Patches. 2. Hats are mostly of the tight, tip-hit variety; no big, thrashy hats. Many very exellent percussion sounds, too; over a dozen different hits from each of two tamborines, for instance, including back-hand movements for creating authentic-sounding 16th-note patterns. Clearmountain drums are also superb, but I have experience only with the audio disks. I like his hat sounds better than Garfield's. Just got the Bass Legends CD-ROM for review, and it appears to be pretty wonderful. Bought the Masterbits bass CD-ROM from Q-up Arts. $69, worth the price perhaps, but nowhere near as well-done as Bass Legends (many out-of-tune samples, for instance). ProSonus Orchestral Strings CD-ROM is OK, but their sections don't sound as lush as Roland's own orchestral strings. - Dan From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 12:37:47 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:37:40 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <26>; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:25:22 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 22 May 1995 12:24:33 -0400 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA13875; Mon, 22 May 95 12:17:06 EDT From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from acropolis by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA05389; Mon, 22 May 95 12:13:58 EDT Received: by acropolis (4.1/DCS-aloft_spooler-S2.1) id AA07911; Mon, 22 May 95 12:13:57 EDT Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 12:13:57 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9505221613.AA07911@acropolis> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup CD-ROMS for S-760 and S-760 SCSI, sample dump Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Doug Wyatt said: > [1] Monday I'm going down to Glyph to look at some sort of rackmounted SCSI > storage. I'm inclined towards a large (400-500 meg) hard disk, because I > ...[snip]... > What storage solutions have others chosen? It must be nice being in the same town as Glyph. The next time that I visit my sister in Freeville, I plan to check out Glyph if I can. I recently bought a 2 unit high rack from them which includes a CD-ROM drive and a SyQuest 270MB removable. For some reason, I've had problems with the OS on floppy disks getting corrupted. So I put the OS on the SyQuest and everything boots up great! It's unbelievable the speed difference between HD and floppy. So far, I've loaded stuff from the Preview CD-ROM and am impressed with some of the samples/patches. (Thanks to all who responded to my question about the 0.1 sec volumes.) I haven't looked into making backups. Dan just got the Bass Legends CD-ROM and likes it. Wasn't this recently reviewed in KEYBOARD? I seem to recall a very favorable review. It's nice to get confirmation from a real-world user. Helps me figure out how good certain reviewers are. Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 14:15:24 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:15:09 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77130-4>; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:15:01 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:07:13 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:06:22 -0400 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA24225; Mon, 22 May 95 14:03:49 EDT From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from acropolis by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA07129; Mon, 22 May 95 14:03:37 EDT Received: by acropolis (4.1/DCS-aloft_spooler-S2.1) id AA08403; Mon, 22 May 95 14:03:36 EDT Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:03:36 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9505221803.AA08403@acropolis> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: sgroup Re: Glyph? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Mark Simon asks: > Gee, what is Glyph? Is it a store? And if you can get there easily from > Freeville, how come I don't know about it? Glyph is a company that sells SCSI solutions for the music biz. You check out Keyboard, Recording, EM, et al and see their ads. Although they prefer to sell through distributors, they will also sell direct. Glyph is located in Ithaca. Noticing that Doug's address is dsw4@cornell.edu, I just assumed that he's in the area. Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 14:51:58 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:51:45 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:44:40 -0400 Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu ([132.236.56.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:44:06 -0400 Received: from [132.236.155.131] (CU-DIALUP-1021.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.155.131]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22049 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:43:59 -0400 X-Sender: dsw4@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:44:52 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: dsw4@cornell.edu (Doug Wyatt) Subject: sgroup DART Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Since lots of you are replying privately (thanks!!!!! you guys are impressive) I'd better pre-empt further responses and say: I was able to use the S-760 2.16 OS image when using DART 1.5.3 (from info-mac) instead of DART 1.4 which is on the lotus archive. I've gotten the HD floppy version of SMAC from a couple of you, but (at least the first one) still seemed to have problems -- one disk readable, one disk completely unreadable. I've been using SDISK on my PC and it's been okay. It could be my Mac's floppy drive for all I know. Doug --- Doug Wyatt "don't negate, create" programmer, Opcode Systems Inc. #include keyboards, Red Letter dsw4@cornell.edu http://www.io.com/~redlettr From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 20:39:59 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:39:49 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <16>; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:32:48 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:31:53 -0400 Received: from uucp2.UU.NET by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyqww29697; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:31:34 -0400 Received: from korgrd.UUCP by uucp2.UU.NET with UUCP/RMAIL ; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:31:34 -0400 Received: from korgsmtp by korgrd.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04012; Mon, 22 May 95 14:53:21 PDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:58:12 -0400 From: "Dan" Subject: sgroup S-760 SCSI, sample d To: "Roland Samplers" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO RE:sgroup S-760 SCSI, sample dump 2:43 PM 5/22/95 Doug Wyatt writes: > [1] Monday I'm going down to Glyph to look at some sort of rackmounted SCSI > storage. I'm inclined towards a large (400-500 meg) hard disk, because I > like the idea of having as much as possible in one place. I can > occasionally borrow the 128 meg optical drive off my computer for backup. > > I have a couple of concerns about this idea though. How likely am I to run > into the limitations on numbers of files on a disk drive (128 volumes, 512 > performances, 1024 patches, 4096 partials, 8192 samples)? It seems like > there could be a real danger of running into those. Would I be better off > with a 128 meg optical (or 100 meg Zip drive if that works), where there > wouldn't be the risk of wasting space due to the smaller drive size? I can't answer this for 500-600 meg drives. I have never encountered file number limitations with 230-meg opticals. The recent message noting this problem was relating to S-550 samples, which (due to the S-550's much smaller RAM capacity) are going to be much smaller on average than those for the S-760. Thus, many more of them fit on a drive, their Patches and Partials use much less sample memory so the file allocation is used up quicker, etc. With a 500 meg drive, your Patches would have to average less than 500k of samples per to run into a problem. With Patches of 8-16 meg being common, that's a pretty low average. Akai samples with many, many different Patches for the same samples might also cause a problem - I've hit that limit in memory (so that I had to divide some translated samples across several Volumes), but not on disk. > What storage solutions have others chosen? I think buying a fixed drive for a high-RAM-capacity sampler (such as the S-760) is a bad idea. 230 meg opticals are now $500 through normal mail-order channels; media, if you look hard, is $25 per 230-meg disk. That's the way that I've gone. It's pretty easy to get into the gigabytes of storage with the S-760; with a 230-meg MO, each additional gig costs me about $125. Plus, I get to back up my Macintosh data. :-) The new 600+ -meg 3.5" opticals will be good also, I'd imagine, but it will be interesting to see how the format wars work out (Sony vs. IBM/Fujitsu et al [the "ISO Group," supposedly compatible with 230 meg cartridges] vs. Panasonic). 270-meg Syquest drives are about the same price, but the media is about twice as expensive. Speed should be somewhat greater, but the 230-meg MOs are fast enough for me (1.5 meg/sec on reads, slower on writes). Zip drives are attractive for their low start-up cost, but I think 100 meg media is a bit small for a 32-meg sampler; presumably they'll increase the capacity eventually. Don't know about compatability. Media is slightly more expensive per meg than 230-meg opticals, but that should go down over time (as may opticals, as well). > Also, if I had a large HD, does the software support backing it up to > multiple smaller removable disks? (e.g. if I have a 512 MB hard disk, will > the software let me back it up to 4 128 MB optical disks in one operation?) I don't think so. Backup is done via a "disk copy" function which copies to same-size or larger drives, as I recall. Tape drives are supported, but with only one backup per tape. (No backing up of multiple drives, or multiple disk images, to a single tape - increases media cost, unfortunately.) > [2] I'm interested in being able to take audio files from my computer (Mac > SND, AIFF, WAV etc) and somehow download them to the S-760. I think > Alchemy might be the way to do this on the Mac, and I have a friend who > will be telling me more about that. Are there any free/shareware Mac > sample dump utilities? A salesman at Sam Ash told me that Roland might > support SCSI transfer of samples ("SMIDI"?) in a recent or near-future OS > revision. Was he imagining things or can anyone tell me about this? I've heard of a Mac program from Roland which allows direct downloading of AIFF files to a Roland-format SCSI drive. You might speak to Jim Norman, the S-760 product specialist at Roland USA, and ask whether this is publicly available (I do not know). - Dan From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 20:51:01 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:50:54 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <11>; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:39:42 -0400 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com ([192.100.81.117]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Sun, 21 May 1995 16:16:15 -0400 Received: from [192.0.2.1] by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA21102; Sun, 21 May 1995 13:15:11 -0700 X-Sender: allmon@netcom8.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 16:14:59 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: allmon@netcom.com (Jim Allmon) Subject: sgroup MT-32 manual? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Sorry, a little of topic here, but would anyone happen to have a MT-32 manual? I picked one up yesterday for $90 at a music flea market, but alas no manual. Thanks in advance for any help. --Jim From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 21:03:51 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:03:43 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <22>; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:52:23 -0400 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu ([128.252.120.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <18>; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:50:59 -0400 Received: from wups.wustl.edu (wups.wustl.edu [128.252.144.4]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA09351; Mon, 22 May 1995 19:50:51 -0500 Received: by wups.wustl.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05567; Mon, 22 May 95 19:47:33 CDT Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:43:25 -0400 From: Paul Scott 894-1533 Subject: Re: sgroup S50 and hard disk To: Derek Christopher Jeter Cc: Roland Samplers In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Sun, 21 May 1995, Derek Christopher Jeter wrote: > I've never seen or heard of a SCSI interface kit for the S50... I was > told Roland never even made one at the local music store... People on here > talk about them, but I have never seen 'em! If anyone has one, I'd sure > like to grab it! > Actually,someone once told me that a 3rd. party company located in California did indeed once offer an upgrade for the Roland S-50 to give it a SCSI port. They also offered a kit that expanded it to 8 audio jacks in the back,instead of just 4. Unfortunately,they seem to be out of business now. Back when I still had the company's name and number and tried calling,I had no luck reaching anyone. I still have an S-50 myself,and would love to be able to expand the unit with more RAM, a hard drive, or possibly, if nothing else, a high-density 1.44 meg floppy drive instead of the 720K drive it now uses. (Seems like a ROM upgrade would be about it would need to be able to use larger capacity floppies.) If anyone finds out about hard drive upgrades of any time for an S-50 though, please pass the info on! From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 21:44:41 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:44:38 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77154-4>; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:44:28 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <18>; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:37:49 -0400 Received: from comp.uark.edu ([130.184.253.197]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:36:59 -0400 Received: (from pstaffor@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA08430; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:35:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:35:39 -0400 From: Phillip Stafford X-Sender: pstaffor@comp To: Jim Allmon cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup MT-32 manual? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Anyone picking up an MT-32 is in for a bit of a surprise. The manual is about 3 pages long and covers almost nothing of this machines capabilities. Get an editor for PC or MAC and you'll be miles ahead of the manual. There are literally hundreds of things (reverb, echo, tuning, chorus, delay, access to sending ascii to the screen, etc) you cannot access from the front panel that you can access from MIDI. Good luck and not a bad machine at all. Mine was almost $600 new, good deal. Phillip From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 23:41:09 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Mon, 22 May 1995 23:40:58 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <19>; Mon, 22 May 1995 23:33:59 -0400 Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu ([132.236.56.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Mon, 22 May 1995 23:33:25 -0400 Received: from [132.236.155.131] (CU-DIALUP-0809.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.155.55]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA28892 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 23:33:02 -0400 X-Sender: dsw4@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 23:33:57 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: dsw4@cornell.edu (Doug Wyatt) Subject: sgroup S-760 SCSI Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO At 18:58 5/22/95, Dan wrote: > I think buying a fixed drive for a high-RAM-capacity sampler (such as the > S-760) is a bad idea. > > 230 meg opticals are now $500 through normal mail-order channels; media, > if you look hard, is $25 per 230-meg disk. That's the way that I've > gone. It's pretty easy to get into the gigabytes of storage with the > S-760; with a 230-meg MO, each additional gig costs me about $125. > > Plus, I get to back up my Macintosh data. :-) Both you and another person who wrote recommended 230 meg opticals. Another person who wrote uses a 500 MB drive to boot an S-750 and store frequently-used stuff, and backs up to two different removable media. I guess I'm thinking along similar lines -- the fixed HD for gigging and often-used sounds, and removable media for backup/archival. I do already have a 128 meg optical drive for backing up my Mac, and presumably the sampler. Roland confirmed that a disk copy can't span multiple destination disks though :-( But I figure I can go to larger/faster/cheaper removable media for backup/archival later, when my bank account has recovered, I get some more RAM and start making bigger/more files. Thanks to you and everyone for the input. I'm going to do what I was going to anyways, but it's good to hear what others are doing. Doug --- Doug Wyatt "don't negate, create" programmer, Opcode Systems Inc. #include keyboards, Red Letter dsw4@cornell.edu http://www.io.com/~redlettr From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon May 22 23:50:10 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Mon, 22 May 1995 23:49:57 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <23>; Mon, 22 May 1995 23:41:56 -0400 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com ([192.100.81.114]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <15>; Mon, 22 May 1995 23:41:03 -0400 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA09324; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:38:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 23:38:53 -0400 From: Brian Thomas Cheek Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 SCSI, sample dump To: Doug Wyatt cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > > [1] Monday I'm going down to Glyph to look at some sort of rackmounted SCSI > storage. I'm inclined towards a large (400-500 meg) hard disk, because I > like the idea of having as much as possible in one place. I can > occasionally borrow the 128 meg optical drive off my computer for backup. I bought Glyph's rack mount SyQuest 270. Works great, and they have a knowledgeable group of people, and they stand by their products. > > I have a couple of concerns about this idea though. How likely am I to run > into the limitations on numbers of files on a disk drive (128 volumes, 512 > performances, 1024 patches, 4096 partials, 8192 samples)? It seems like > there could be a real danger of running into those. Would I be better off > with a 128 meg optical (or 100 meg Zip drive if that works), where there > wouldn't be the risk of wasting space due to the smaller drive size? It is indeed a danger. I once counted, and if you took Roland's 8 SyQuests from the Roland Sample Archives (RSA 1-8), they would overflow that limit. So a 2 gig drive could end up quite wasted. > What storage solutions have others chosen? I believe Roland supports certain tape drives, but SyQuest 270's are about $0.20/meg (after drive purchase), and are incredibly fast, and small. They also make a good backup medium. I also know this same drive is compatible with the K2000, and most probably my PC too. > > [2] I'm interested in being able to take audio files from my computer (Mac > SND, AIFF, WAV etc) and somehow download them to the S-760. I think > Alchemy might be the way to do this on the Mac, and I have a friend who > will be telling me more about that. Are there any free/shareware Mac > sample dump utilities? A salesman at Sam Ash told me that Roland might > support SCSI transfer of samples ("SMIDI"?) in a recent or near-future OS > revision. Was he imagining things or can anyone tell me about this? > Sound Forge for Windows can do this, but I need to get off my lazy butt and connect a MIDI out cable from the S770 to my PC (never needed to before). At least my initial attempt proved somewhat successful for SDSing samples across. I'll probably do better when I allow handshaking. I don't think anybody supports S770 in its native SCSI format for transferring samples. The S770 is not SMDI ready. Good luck. I've never had any problem with removables only with the S770. The internal 40 meg HD is always full of something I don't need... Removables make song creation easy, as you put a project on a cart. Filled? Get another. I have my mail bread-n-butter logically organized on 2 SyQuests, so I minimize swapping, and a cart change is a quick process (under 10 seconds cycle up time). -Brian From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed May 24 09:55:02 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:54:56 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:33:36 -0400 Received: from fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com ([199.184.182.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:32:46 -0400 Received: from jimw@fullfeed.com by fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com (8.6.9/FF-1.1) id IAA25284; Wed, 24 May 1995 08:32:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 09:32:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199505241332.IAA25284@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com> X-Sender: jimw@pop.fullfeed.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: jimw@msn.fullfeed.com (Jim Wohlgemuth) Subject: sgroup S550 SCSI still available Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Well, now we know this adapter won't work with the S-50 or 330 etc. therefore its still available! Roland HD5-IF $150.00 US + shipping Jim Wohlgemuth PlanetZ Techno/Dance Madison, Wisconsin USA jimw@msn.fullfeed.com tel: 608.429.2976 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu May 25 02:04:48 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Thu, 25 May 1995 02:04:41 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Thu, 25 May 1995 01:56:13 -0400 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu ([128.135.12.73]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Thu, 25 May 1995 01:55:22 -0400 Received: from quads.uchicago.edu (quads.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.63]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA25360 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 00:55:16 -0500 Received: (akarnaus@localhost) by quads.uchicago.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id AAA09962 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Thu, 25 May 1995 00:55:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 01:55:05 -0400 From: Alexander Karnauskas To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup SDX/SDXSEND??? Message-ID: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Anyone out there familiar with SDX and SDXSEND for Sample Dumps from PC to S-760 (or any sampler for that matter that supports sample dump)? I can't get the idiotic program to work. For some reasone when I run SDXSEND, the program freezes (i even waited for about 20 minutes) without any indication of why it is freezing. Also, both midi in/outs are hooked up on both the sampler and the PC. Finally, the midi port is correct at H330. What else is there? Am I missing something obvious? HHHHEEELLLLPPPPP. Alex Karnauskas The University of Chicago (akarnaus@midway.uchicago.edu) p.s. If I can't get this program to work is there another one out there that does that allows my computer to send/receive sample dumps (location?) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu May 25 03:38:51 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:38:43 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <15>; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:26:50 -0400 Received: from wr.com.au ([203.12.42.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:25:58 -0400 Received: by wr.com.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4-1.0) id AA09664; Thu, 25 May 1995 17:27:07 +1000 Message-Id: <9505250727.AA09664@wr.com.au> Subject: Re: sgroup SDX/SDXSEND??? To: akarnaus@midway.uchicago.edu (Alexander Karnauskas) Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 03:27:07 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: from "Alexander Karnauskas" at May 25, 95 01:55:05 am From: nic@carrot.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} Anyone out there familiar with SDX and SDXSEND for Sample Dumps from PC to => S-760 (or any sampler for that matter that supports sample dump)? I can't get => the idiotic program to work. For some reasone when I run SDXSEND, the program => freezes (i even waited for about 20 minutes) without any indication of why it => is freezing. Also, both midi in/outs are hooked up on both the sampler and => the PC. Finally, the midi port is correct at H330. What else is there? Am I => missing something obvious? HHHHEEELLLLPPPPP. I'm not familiar with SDX and SDXSSEND, but I know that the SDS implementation on the S750/770 is broken. I managed to get a file to my S750 by hacking a midi sample file and setting the loop points, to get the sample into the sampler, but the contents of the sample was mostly garbage when it arrived. Dumping from the sampler is no problem. Maybe it still hasn't been fixed for the S760, as I don't think it is something that many Roland customers would do, methinks. Sorry I haven't helped you, but I thought I would share my experience. BTW, I used another PD utility, called mdf to do the dumping to and fro. Nic. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu May 25 13:12:11 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:12:01 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:02:47 -0400 Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu ([132.236.56.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:01:42 -0400 Received: from [132.236.155.28] (CU-DIALUP-0714.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.155.28]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA17880; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:00:10 -0400 X-Sender: dsw4@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:01:03 -0400 To: nic@carrot.com.au (Nic Grant) From: dsw4@cornell.edu (Doug Wyatt) Subject: Re: sgroup SDX/SDXSEND??? Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R At 3:27 5/25/95, Nic Grant wrote: > I'm not familiar with SDX and SDXSSEND, but I know that the SDS > implementation on the S750/770 is broken. I managed to get a file to my > S750 by hacking a midi sample file and setting the loop points, to get > the sample into the sampler, but the contents of the sample was mostly > garbage when it arrived. Dumping from the sampler is no problem. Maybe it > still hasn't been fixed for the S760, as I don't think it is something > that many Roland customers would do, methinks. Sorry I haven't helped you, > but I thought I would share my experience. BTW, I used another PD utility, > called mdf to do the dumping to and fro. I've successfully sent sounds to my S-760 (2.15 or 2.16) via sample dump. So there's nothing wrong with Roland's implementation. Doug --- Doug Wyatt "don't negate, create" programmer, Opcode Systems Inc. #include keyboards, Red Letter dsw4@cornell.edu http://www.io.com/~redlettr From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu May 25 18:15:04 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 25 May 1995 18:14:52 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Thu, 25 May 1995 18:06:28 -0400 Received: from netcom12.netcom.com ([192.100.81.124]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Thu, 25 May 1995 18:05:37 -0400 Received: by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA06053; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:04:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 18:04:35 -0400 From: Brian Thomas Cheek Subject: Re: sgroup SDX/SDXSEND??? To: Nic Grant cc: Alexander Karnauskas , sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9505250727.AA09664@wr.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R > I'm not familiar with SDX and SDXSSEND, but I know that the SDS > implementation on the S750/770 is broken. I managed to get a file to my > S750 by hacking a midi sample file and setting the loop points, to get > the sample into the sampler, but the contents of the sample was mostly > garbage when it arrived. Dumping from the sampler is no problem. Maybe it > still hasn't been fixed for the S760, as I don't think it is something > that many Roland customers would do, methinks. Sorry I haven't helped you, > but I thought I would share my experience. BTW, I used another PD utility, > called mdf to do the dumping to and fro. Using Sound Forge 3.0 with a one-way transfer (no handshake) I got a sample from the computer to the S770 OS v2.21, but the loop points were screwed up (numbers in the billions appeared, and could not be changed). -Brian From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri May 26 04:33:18 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Fri, 26 May 1995 04:33:04 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <15>; Fri, 26 May 1995 04:22:53 -0400 Received: from uldns1.unil.ch ([130.223.8.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Fri, 26 May 1995 04:22:02 -0400 Received: from hector.unil.ch (actually pcbf1servcei) by uldns1 with SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 May 1995 10:21:45 +0200 Received: from FS5/SpoolDir by hector.unil.ch (Mercury 1.13); Fri, 26 May 95 10:23:26 GMT-2 Received: from SpoolDir by FS5 (Mercury 1.13); Fri, 26 May 95 10:23:07 GMT-2 Received: from pcbf1cei27.unil.ch by hector.unil.ch (Mercury 1.13); Fri, 26 May 95 10:22:57 GMT-2 From: PRISI MARCEL-PHILIPPE - PREMIERE - 10/10/19 <94411220@pcbf1servcei.unil. ch> Organization: Ecole des HEC Lausanne To: Alexander Karnauskas , sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 05:22:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup SDX/SDXSEND??? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <82124800686@hector.unil.ch> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 01:55:05 -0400 > From: Alexander Karnauskas > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > Subject: sgroup SDX/SDXSEND??? > Anyone out there familiar with SDX and SDXSEND for Sample Dumps from PC to > S-760 (or any sampler for that matter that supports sample dump)? I can't get > the idiotic program to work. For some reasone when I run SDXSEND, the program > freezes (i even waited for about 20 minutes) without any indication of why it > is freezing. Also, both midi in/outs are hooked up on both the sampler and > the PC. Finally, the midi port is correct at H330. What else is there? Am I > missing something obvious? HHHHEEELLLLPPPPP. > Alex Karnauskas > The University of Chicago > (akarnaus@midway.uchicago.edu) > > p.s. If I can't get this program to work is there another one out there that > does that allows my computer to send/receive sample dumps (location?) > > Forget this program !! I found another piece of software called "WinSDS", it's quite buggy (particularly with big samples), but it works, and it is shareware (or even freeware, I don't remember ...) If you're interested, let me know, I'll upload it at the sgroup FTP site ... ________________________ M. Prisi - HEC 1er cycle "Life would be an error without music." - Nietzche 94411220@hector.unil.ch ------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue May 30 00:03:17 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Tue, 30 May 1995 00:03:08 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <12>; Mon, 29 May 1995 23:43:26 -0400 Received: from dn.net ([204.91.31.71]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Mon, 29 May 1995 23:42:49 -0400 Received: from csgi.com (fc-gw.csgi.com [204.91.31.10]) by dn.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA03697 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 22:40:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 00:45:03 -0400 From: Doug_Ramsay@csgi.com (Doug Ramsay) Organization: digitalnation@dca Subject: sgroup Re: Wave file to sysex (crosspost) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-ID: <1116187.ensmtp@csgi.com> Priority: normal X-Mailer: ExpressNet/SMTP v1.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R In message ID <3q4fn9$t2m@netnews.upenn.edu> on 5/29/95, apervazo@mail2.sas.upenn.edu wrote: > You can dump a wav file to a sampler through MIDI using SDS - the > Sample Dump Standard. There's a program for the PC that does it. > It's called SDX and can be found at the ftp site alf.uib.no in the > directory pub/midi/sdx. > > Andrian If any knows ofwhere such an application for the Mac can be found, please e-mail me (would this happen to be SMAC?) Thanks... Doug - via The Vibe -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sent via digitalNATION the premier FirstClass System (703) 642.0453 digitalNATION access provided by Computer Services Group, Inc. a World Wide Web and Internet Access Provider Phone: (703) 642.2800 or email sales@csgi.com for info -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue May 30 13:28:37 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:28:30 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <14>; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:55:14 -0400 Received: from opal.spawar.navy.mil ([192.26.7.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Tue, 30 May 1995 12:53:58 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil by opal.spawar.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26657; Tue, 30 May 95 12:51:28 EDT Received: from cc:Mail by smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil id AA801863572; Tue, 30 May 95 12:44:40 EST Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 13:44:40 -0400 From: ramsayd@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil Encoding: 20 Text Message-Id: <9504308018.AA801863572@smtp-gw.spawar.navy.mil> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, Doug_Ramsay@csgi.com (Doug Ramsay) Subject: sgroup Owners Key w/Director-S Software Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Recently I bought an S-550 with Director-S and a few days ago I received the Director-S software manual from a friend. On pg. 4 of the manual, an Owner's Key is mentioned for use in implementing certain functions with Director-S. I didn't get this key form the previous sampler owner. Am I outta luck? Please e-mail replies to me also. Thanks... Doug ============================================== / `-' / ,,, |[====|||||||||||[:::} My type of "g-strings" \__.-._\ ``` >>>>>>>> Acknowledge Him Productions <<<<<<<< 301.499.7271 ============================================== From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue May 30 20:33:56 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:33:50 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77138-2>; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:33:35 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <15>; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:21:50 -0400 Received: from sky.net ([198.70.175.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <11>; Tue, 30 May 1995 20:21:01 -0400 Received: from dialin-ttyt2.sky.net (dialin-ttyt2.sky.net [198.70.175.194]) by sky.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08223 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:19:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:19:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199505310019.TAA08223@sky.net> X-Sender: fpotter@sky.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: fpotter@solar.sky.net (Fred Potter) Subject: sgroup S550lib v2.00 Won't Read Drive B: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Has anyone else had this problem? I'm in contact with the author at this time and so far he isn't sure what the problem might be. I'm running it on a Pionex 486sx 25mHz machine with 8 meg of RAM, and Windows is running out of DR DOS 6.0. S550lib installs and the screens come up just fine, but it won't read Roland disks from drive B. The drive light comes on and it grinds for a second, then I get a screen which states "System Error: Cannot Read from Drive B" with the buttons "Cancel" and "Retry." A similar second screen follows. It's doing this on Roland factory disks as well as disks I've made. Thanks for any help. Cheers, Fred