From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Feb 1 01:08:39 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 01:08:27 -0500 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <138>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 01:00:00 -0500 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (8.6.9/941220-22:07) id BAA06897; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 01:59:56 -0400 Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.6.9/950125-15:45) id BAA02182; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 01:59:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:59:55 -0500 From: scott dhomas trenn X-Sender: dhomas@jupiter To: john hamilton kimble cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Sample Utility for Amiga. In-Reply-To: <199502010133.UAA21271@ccrb.engin.umich.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Tue, 31 Jan 1995, john hamilton kimble wrote: > I tried to find it on cdrom.com and it wasn't on aminet! > Where is it? SITE: wcarchive.cdrom.com + mirrors FILE: SampleUtility.lha DIR: mus/misc dhomas. ************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: dhomas@unb.ca * ** ** ************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Feb 1 02:50:29 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 02:50:11 -0500 Received: from ccrb.engin.umich.edu ([141.211.163.28]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 02:42:10 -0500 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by ccrb.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id CAA24280; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 02:41:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 02:41:58 -0500 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199502010741.CAA24280@ccrb.engin.umich.edu> To: dhomas@unb.ca, jkimble@engin.umich.edu Subject: Re: Sample Utility for Amiga. Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO OK, thanks! LjSkD From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Feb 1 14:08:15 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 14:08:04 -0500 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <162>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 13:50:12 -0500 Received: from euler.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.9/UniDo 2.0.27) id TAA06712; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 19:49:56 +0100 Message-Id: <9502011849.AA00176@euler.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from localhost by euler.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA00176; Wed, 1 Feb 95 19:49:50 +0100 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Amiga sdk transfer Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 13:49:50 -0500 From: Frank Hoffmann Status: R To amiga users. Scott dhomas trenn's amiga samdisk is a really nice tool. But you do not have to pay a shareware fee to transfer samdisk disk images to floppies (sorry Scott). I think a shareware fee for the so called public version is no good idea. There are many ways to do this. If you have an standard Amiga DOS Device, that can read and write MS-Dos disks (for example mfm.device that comes with OS >3.0) you can use the freeware tools devblocks or device-handler to easy write and read samdisks. Both tools can be found on aminet. And do not forget to format the floppies on your sampler. This because Samdisk is a simple Diskimage reader/writer for MS-Dos files. If you need some more advice, drop me a mail. Ciao, Frank. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Feb 1 16:33:52 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:33:43 -0500 Received: from ccrb.engin.umich.edu ([141.211.163.28]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <166>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:19:21 -0500 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by ccrb.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id QAA00822; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:19:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:19:05 -0500 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199502012119.QAA00822@ccrb.engin.umich.edu> To: fhoffman@euler.informatik.uni-dortmund.de, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Amiga sdk transfer Status: R In defense it does read DJ-70 disks. :) LjSkD From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Feb 1 22:05:42 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 22:05:37 -0500 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 21:51:20 -0500 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (8.6.9/941220-22:07) id WAA24177; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 22:51:04 -0400 Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.6.9/950125-15:45) id WAA12689; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 22:51:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 21:51:01 -0500 From: scott dhomas trenn X-Sender: dhomas@jupiter To: Frank Hoffmann cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Amiga sdk transfer In-Reply-To: <9502011849.AA00176@euler.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Wed, 1 Feb 1995, Frank Hoffmann wrote: > Scott dhomas trenn's amiga samdisk is a really nice tool. But > you do not have to pay a shareware fee to transfer samdisk disk > images to floppies (sorry Scott). I think a shareware fee for the > so called public version is no good idea. No need to apologize... unfortunately, very few people send in a shareware fee for working software, anyway. To be honest, I don't expect anyone to, though a couple might. Of course, $5 isn't going to hurt anyone, is it. But to keep you happy - and all those guilt ridden people without $5 who just plain won't use the program unless they pay (do these people exist?), I'll change the documentation to reflect the $5 is not REQUIRED, but happily accepted. :) > There are many ways to do this. If you have an standard Amiga DOS > Device, that can read and write MS-Dos disks (for example > mfm.device that comes with OS >3.0) you can use the freeware tools mfm.device comes with OS2.1> and/or CrossDOS. > devblocks or device-handler to easy write and read samdisks. Both > tools can be found on aminet. And do not forget to format the > floppies on your sampler. This method is slow slow slow... but will work... well atleast for Roland sampler formats anyway. It isn't going to work with Yamaha or most other formats, which mine will... of course, you don't get a nice user interface either... or the ability to recognize disk types... or... or... or... > This because Samdisk is a simple Diskimage reader/writer for MS-Dos > files. Samdisk does more than this... Then again, we are only talking about the basically freebie version I released into the public... you'll never do more than that with the other method. Frank, don't get me wrong here... I'm not upset... :) You pointed out the benefits of your suggested method... I'm just pointing out the bad! dhomas trenn. ************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: dhomas@unb.ca * ** ** ************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Feb 2 13:54:20 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:54:18 -0500 Received: from waffle.berksys.com ([192.216.219.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <183>; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:39:22 -0500 Received: from wchester.berksys.com (wchester.berksys.com [192.216.219.84]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA01655 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:38:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:38:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199502021838.KAA01655@waffle.berksys.com> X-Sender: wchester@mail.berksys.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: wchester@berksys.com (Wes Chester) Subject: Re: Roland Sample => WAV etc. format X-Mailer: Status: R >Hello all > >I wish to know if one can convert S-samples to WAV format and back. I >have a few very good samples in WAV format, but the sampler is at >work, and our computer has no sound card, so I cannot re-record the >samples. Can you reverse this process (Sample to WAV) ? > >Edwin Edwin, I do this on my Roland S-50 with an MPU-401 card in my PC. I use what's called MIDI Sample Dump to send the digital sample data through the MIDI cable into my PC. 'SAMPLE VISION' will recognize several of the top name samplers, and also any others that support the Sample Dump standard. This will get the sounds into your PC as Sample Vision sound files (16bit 44khz or whatever). Then you will need a Windows app to convert from the SMP (Sample Vision) format into a .wav format. I suggest buying Turtle Beaches 'Wave' program. Wave will recognize the .smp format and convert it into .wav. There are many other windows apps that will also recognize the .smp format though. I hope this helps. ____________________ WCHESTER@BERKSYS.COM From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Feb 2 04:14:54 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 04:14:50 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77181-2>; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 04:14:42 -0500 Received: from ctech.ac.za ([155.238.4.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 04:02:10 -0500 Received: from norton.ctech.ac.za by ctech.ac.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rZxcS-0001rvC; Thu, 2 Feb 95 11:14 EET Received: from NORTON/SpoolDir by norton.ctech.ac.za (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 2 Feb 95 10:57:48 GMT-2 Received: from SpoolDir by NORTON (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 2 Feb 95 10:57:35 GMT-2 From: "Edwin Lloyd" Organization: Cape Technikon, South Africa To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 07:57:30 -0500 Subject: Roland Sample => WAV etc. format Priority: normal X-mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1a) Message-ID: <1D941C13DCF@norton.ctech.ac.za> Status: RO Hello all I wish to know if one can convert S-samples to WAV format and back. I have a few very good samples in WAV format, but the sampler is at work, and our computer has no sound card, so I cannot re-record the samples. Can you reverse this process (Sample to WAV) ? I am quite new to sampling on a professional sampler. The closest I came to sampling was on my SB AWE32 on my PC, but as soon as I complete my first project, I will distribute some of my stuff on Internet -> By the way, is there any FTP site I can try out? Thanks for your help Edwin From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Feb 2 06:37:41 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:37:27 -0500 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:25:23 -0500 Received: from banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.9/UniDo 2.0.27) id MAA20757; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 12:25:12 +0100 Message-Id: <9502021125.AA19701@banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from localhost by banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA19701; Thu, 2 Feb 95 12:25:11 +0100 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S7xx SCSI filesystem Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:25:10 -0500 From: Frank Hoffmann Status: RO Has anybody informations about the SCSI filesystem of the Roland S-7x0 samplers? Frank. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Feb 2 06:50:31 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:50:21 -0500 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <182>; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:37:26 -0500 Received: from banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.9/UniDo 2.0.27) id MAA20808; Thu, 2 Feb 1995 12:29:22 +0100 Message-Id: <9502021129.AA19734@banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from localhost by banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA19734; Thu, 2 Feb 95 12:29:21 +0100 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Amiga sdk transfer Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:29:21 -0500 From: Frank Hoffmann Status: RO somebody wrote: >In defense it does read DJ-70 disks. :) >LjSkD I did not get the point. scott dhomas trenn wrotes: >This method is slow slow slow... but will work... well atleast for Roland >sampler formats anyway. It isn't going to work with Yamaha or most other >formats, which mine will... of course, you don't get a nice user >interface either... or the ability to recognize disk types... or... or... >or... I am sure this will work with the Yamaha Samplers, because they use also the MS-Dos format. In difference to Roland sample disks, you are able to read the samplefiles of a TX16W disk and play it under OS 3.1 with the (my) tx16w datatype, because they use a subset of the MS-Dos filesystem. I am sure you can also swap ASR-10 disks with this method. They can optional also use the MS-Dos format. I do not know about K-2000 and Akai. A real benfit would be the abilety to exchange samples between the formats. >> This because Samdisk is a simple Diskimage reader/writer for MS-Dos >> [disk image] files. > >Samdisk does more than this... What? I am talking about the public version. >Frank, don't get me wrong here... I'm not upset... :) You pointed out >the benefits of your suggested method... I'm just pointing out the bad! Of course. There are advantages of your samdisk version. But you should think again about the shareware fee for the so called public version. Or did I misunderstood the legal status? Frank. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 05:12:10 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 05:12:02 -0500 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 04:50:19 -0500 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA14173; Fri, 3 Feb 95 01:50:02 -0800 Received: from iconet.Ico.Olivetti.Com by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14158; Fri, 3 Feb 95 01:49:53 PST Received: from wgpo04.ico.olivetti.com with Microsoft Mail by iconet.Ico.Olivetti.Com; Fri, 3 Feb 95 10:27:00 WET Received: by wgpo04.ico.olivetti.com with Microsoft Mail id <2F3274EC@wgpo04.ico.olivetti.com>; Fri, 03 Feb 95 10:24:44 PST From: BORZIERI Ivan To: Roland Samplers Group Subject: Midi Sample Dump on the S50 ? Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 13:24:00 -0500 Message-Id: <2F3274EC@wgpo04.ico.olivetti.com> Encoding: 22 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 940 Status: R >Edwin, I do this on my Roland S-50 with an MPU-401 card in my PC. >I use what's called MIDI Sample Dump to send the digital sample data through >the MIDI cable into my PC. 'SAMPLE VISION' will recognize several of the top >name samplers, and also any others that support the Sample Dump standard. >This will get the sounds into your PC as Sample Vision sound files (16bit >44khz or whatever). Does anybody know how this can be achieved ? The S50 has no commands to send or recieve MSD... I've always been interested in this, as I'd like to transfer from the S50 to my Amiga... but there's no Sample Vision for the Amiga. I know there is an editor/librarian called PatchMeister by Blue Ribbon Software (the ones after Bars & Pipes), but I don't know if it can do such a thing. To Scott Thomas (author of Sample Utility): this sounds very interesting... Bye, Ivan Borzieri From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 08:47:46 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:47:36 -0500 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:30:43 -0500 Received: from banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.9/UniDo 2.0.27) id OAA23152; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:30:37 +0100 From: Frank Hoffmann Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:30:36 -0500 Message-Id: <9502031330.AA26603@banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: by banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA26603; Fri, 3 Feb 95 14:30:36 +0100 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Midi Sample Dump on the S50 ? Status: R >Does anybody know how this can be achieved ? The S50 has no commands to send Does anybody know how this can be achieved ? The S50 has no commands to send From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 09:03:47 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:03:42 -0500 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <135>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:47:28 -0500 Received: from banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.9/UniDo 2.0.27) id OAA23258; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:38:14 +0100 From: Frank Hoffmann Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:38:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9502031338.AA26670@banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: by banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA26670; Fri, 3 Feb 95 14:38:14 +0100 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R Subject: Midi Sample Dump on the S50 ? >>Edwin, I do this on my Roland S-50 with an MPU-401 card in my PC. >>I use what's called MIDI Sample Dump to send the digital sample data >>through >>the MIDI cable into my PC. 'SAMPLE VISION' will recognize several of the >>top >>name samplers, and also any others that support the Sample Dump standard. >>This will get the sounds into your PC as Sample Vision sound files (16bit >>44khz or whatever). >Does anybody know how this can be achieved ? The S50 has no commands to send >or recieve MSD... I've always been interested in this, as I'd like to >transfer from the S50 >to my Amiga... but there's no Sample Vision for the Amiga. I know there is >an editor/librarian The S50 does not support MSDS. It has its own dump format, that can request a physical memory blocks of the internal S50 ram. A Memory map comes with the S50 manual. You have to write your own Routine. No problem with the midilibrary 2.0. >called PatchMeister by Blue Ribbon Software (the ones after Bars & Pipes), >but I don't >know if it can do such a thing. I think it can not. Frank. From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 10:13:14 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:13:09 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77157-4>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:13:04 -0500 Received: from paris.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de ([141.2.15.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:53:29 -0500 Received: by paris.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14836; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:52:28 +0100 From: mickey@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Posted-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 15:52:27 MEZ Received-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:52:28 +0100 Message-Id: <9502031452.AA14836@paris.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Subject: Opinions concerning the future To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:52:27 -0500 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: R Hello again! While I'm reading an article about the ESI-32 and EIV, I'd like to hear your opinions concerning the future of the Roland S-Series. Do you think, the S-760 can compete against ESI-32 / AkaiS2800 ? (my local dealer said, the prices are now nearly the same). By the way, OP1 (the digital I/O and monitor extension board costs still the same, ...) Compared to Akai-S3200 and EIV, Roland has nothing to offer in the 'high-price- market'. Could it be, that Roland is going to give up this product-line? Dont' get me wrong, I don't want to be pathetic, but I'm really asking myself, if there's a chance for Roland-Samplers in the future. Look into the studios, what do you see ? Akai, Akai, EIII and Akai. Look into the homerecording-studios and you'll also see Akai and a maybe a few Ensoniq and K2000. Read the sampler-overviews in keyboard-magazines, most of them say, Akai is the production-tool, EIII and Ensoniq, K2000 are top, concerning the synthesizer-features, and Roland ? Well, not here, not there, not good, not bad...? Personally, I think the Roland S-7x0 with digital I/O, mouse & monitor has really the best handling, sounds great, is enormous flexible, and therefore still better than Akai S-3xxx,ESI & K2000. But it seems that it's more important to be compatible than to be innovative? What do you think about the future of Roland Samplers? What features do you expect from a new Roland Sampler? Mickey. (mickey@rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 11:51:20 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 11:51:14 -0500 Received: from news.primenet.com ([198.68.32.30]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 11:34:50 -0500 Received: from ip209.lax.primenet.com (ip209.lax.primenet.com [198.68.36.209]) by news.primenet.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03252 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:34:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199502031634.JAA03252@news.primenet.com> X-Sender: climate@mailhost.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 11:19:12 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: climate@PrimeNet.Com (Abraham Heward) Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Status: R >Personally, I think the Roland S-7x0 with digital I/O, mouse & monitor has >really the best handling, sounds great, is enormous flexible, and therefore still >better than Akai S-3xxx,ESI & K2000. It was these very features that lead me to choose an S-770 over the K2000. I love the loop-editing features that using the mouse and monitor allows. Does the K2000 have a comparable interface? The things I don't like about the S-770 are that it only has 24 note polyphony and that the sample RAM is stuck at 16 Megs. The K2000 I think has 64 voices and the internal RAM can go up to 128 Megs. From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 12:35:09 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 12:34:55 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77121-3>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 12:34:52 -0500 Received: from WordPerfect.com ([151.155.3.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <187>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 12:17:42 -0500 Received: from Gateways-Message_Server by WordPerfect.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 Feb 1995 09:53:31 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 11:53:01 -0500 From: Kyle Echols To: mickey@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Opinions concerning the future -Reply Status: R I respectfully disagree with Mickey about "it seems that it's more important to be compatible than to be innovative" and that you don't find Roland in studios. For example, Roland Users Group had a great interview with Hans Zimmer, the composer of Disney's "The Lion King" in Vol. 12 N. 2. He has a ton of Roland S-760's and uses them for everything. Admittedly this is in a Roland publication but I still think it points out that Roland is not giving up on their S-series samplers and neither is the industry. I don't think that "Compatability" in musical instruments is as big of a deal as Mickey thinks it is, either. If you have great samples on your Roland S-760 and want to do a session at a studio that only has Akai or Emu or something else, just take your S-760 along in the protective rack case it's probably already in from last weekend's live gig anyway. Anyway, - Kyle >>> 02/03/95 07:52am >>> Hello again! While I'm reading an article about the ESI-32 and EIV, I'd like to hear your opinions concerning the future of the Roland S-Series. Do you think, the S-760 can compete against ESI-32 / AkaiS2800 ? (my local dealer said, the prices are now nearly the same). By the way, OP1 (the digital I/O and monitor extension board costs still the same, ...) Compared to Akai-S3200 and EIV, Roland has nothing to offer in the 'high-price- market'. Could it be, that Roland is going to give up this product-line? Dont' get me wrong, I don't want to be pathetic, but I'm really asking myself, if there's a chance for Roland-Samplers in the future. Look into the studios, what do you see ? Akai, Akai, EIII and Akai. Look into the homerecording-studios and you'll also see Akai and a maybe a few Ensoniq and K2000. Read the sampler-overviews in keyboard-magazines, most of them say, Akai is the production-tool, EIII and Ensoniq, K2000 are top, concerning the synthesizer-features, and Roland ? Well, not here, not there, not good, not bad...? Personally, I think the Roland S-7x0 with digital I/O, mouse & monitor has really the best handling, sounds great, is enormous flexible, and therefore still better than Akai S-3xxx,ESI & K2000. But it seems that it's more important to be compatible than to be innovative? What do you think about the future of Roland Samplers? What features do you expect from a new Roland Sampler? Mickey. (mickey@rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 14:53:43 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:53:40 -0500 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:40:13 -0500 Received: from argonaut.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa04719; 3 Feb 95 18:16 GMT Received: from dellboy.argonaut.com by argonaut.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0raRNG-0000WuC; Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:00 GMT Received: from DELLBOY/MAILQUEUE by dellboy.argonaut.com (Mercury 1.13); Fri, 3 Feb 95 16:58:33 +0 Received: from MAILQUEUE by DELLBOY (Mercury 1.13); Fri, 3 Feb 95 16:58:15 +0 From: Tangerine To The Hilt Organization: Argonaut Ltd. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 11:58:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <47C2625334@dellboy.argonaut.com> Status: R : : What do you think about the future of Roland Samplers? They are still the leader because they use a monitor & mouse. Until AKAI do that, Roland get the customers who cant stand small LCD displays. (Don't tell me there's people out there with S750/60/70's who dont use monitors ?) : : What features do you expect from a new Roland Sampler? I would hope the 'Next Generation' of samplers will 'Morph' samples, like the Morpheus does with synth sounds, be compatible with most other sampler formats....and work with Samplevision (unlike the S760). justin@argonaut.com ........ :london: :..uk..: From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 16:25:14 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:25:06 -0500 Received: from waffle.berksys.com ([192.216.219.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <190>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:12:28 -0500 Received: from wchester.berksys.com (wchester.berksys.com [192.216.219.84]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA13418 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 13:10:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:10:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199502032110.NAA13418@waffle.berksys.com> X-Sender: wchester@mail.berksys.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: wchester@berksys.com (Wes Chester) Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future X-Mailer: Status: R >I would hope the 'Next Generation' of samplers will 'Morph' samples, >like the Morpheus does with synth sounds, be compatible with most >other sampler formats....and work with Samplevision (unlike the S760). > >justin@argonaut.com What? I'm looking into purchasing a Roland S760, and to hear that it is not compatible with 'Sample Vision' bites! Are you sure this is the case? I have done allot of work with SV, and would hate to think that the S760 does not support MSD standard. Every other Roland sampler I have used supports it... -Wes Chester -wchester@berksys.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 16:39:11 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:39:06 -0500 Received: from pipeline.com ([198.80.32.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:25:02 -0500 Received: from pipe3.pipeline.com (pipe3 [198.80.32.43]) by pipeline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01242 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:12:51 -0500 From: Rob Gorton Received: (rag@localhost) by pipe3.pipeline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA15959; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:12:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:12:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199502032112.QAA15959@pipe3.pipeline.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Midi Sample Dump on the S50 ? Status: RO On Fri, 03 Feb 1995 13:24:00 BORZIERI Ivan wrote: >Does anybody know how this can be achieved ? The S50 has no commands to send >or recieve MSD... I've always been interested in this, as I'd like to >transfer from the S50 At one point I asked Roland Tech support how I could perform a Midi Sample Dump to/from my S-550, and they said it was not a supported command. However, DigiDesign's Sound Designer does transfer samples to/from the S-550 via MIDI so the sampler can be convinced to transmit/recieve this info. Incidentally, since Sound Designer 2.7 no longer supports interface with any sampler , I would be interested in a MIDI (or better yet SCSI!) hack that would let me continue to port my samples to and from my Mac digitally. -Rob From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 17:25:27 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:25:20 -0500 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <192>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:13:27 -0500 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (8.6.9/941220-22:07) id SAA19115; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:13:18 -0400 Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.6.9/950125-15:45) id SAA00853; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:13:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:13:17 -0500 From: scott dhomas trenn X-Sender: dhomas@jupiter To: Rob Gorton cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Midi Sample Dump on the S50 ? In-Reply-To: <199502032112.QAA15959@pipe3.pipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, Rob Gorton wrote: > At one point I asked Roland Tech support how I could perform a Midi Sample > Dump to/from my S-550, and they said it was not a supported command. This is correct, though it may be possible in Hacker's Mode... I haven't tried yet. > However, DigiDesign's Sound Designer does transfer samples to/from the > S-550 via MIDI so the sampler can be convinced to transmit/recieve this > info. Incidentally, since Sound Designer 2.7 no longer supports interface This is not Sample Dump Standard... it must be in a S-550's format. dhomas. ************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: dhomas@unb.ca * ** ** ************************************************************************** From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 17:37:18 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-1>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:37:06 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77121-2>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:36:57 -0500 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <193>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:25:20 -0500 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (8.6.9/941220-22:07) id SAA20251; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:20:39 -0400 Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.6.9/950125-15:45) id SAA01740; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:20:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:20:37 -0500 From: scott dhomas trenn X-Sender: dhomas@jupiter To: BORZIERI Ivan cc: Roland Samplers Group Subject: Re: Midi Sample Dump on the S50 ? In-Reply-To: <2F3274EC@wgpo04.ico.olivetti.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, BORZIERI Ivan wrote: > Does anybody know how this can be achieved ? The S50 has no commands to send > or recieve MSD... I've always been interested in this, as I'd like to > transfer from the S50 > to my Amiga... but there's no Sample Vision for the Amiga. I know there is > an editor/librarian > called PatchMeister by Blue Ribbon Software (the ones after Bars & Pipes), > but I don't > know if it can do such a thing. PatchMeister is presently nearly useless... I am striving to convince Blue Ribbon to get back on it... though I am currently writing my own program called MIDI SYStem EXplorer which will blow PatchMeister and most other packages away. > To Scott Thomas (author of Sample Utility): this sounds very interesting... ^ that's a D not a T. BTW, Anyone who is anxiously awaiting responses from me... please be patient, my monitor is currently dying... it works for as many as 10 minutes in a row!!! Imagine that! So, my EMails have been kept short! dhomas. ************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: dhomas@unb.ca * ** ** ************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 17:58:36 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:58:31 -0500 Received: from u.cc.utah.edu ([155.99.22.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <194>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:46:16 -0500 Received: from [198.60.30.14] (cts4.cc.utah.edu [198.60.30.14]) by u.cc.utah.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA16517 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:45:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:45:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199502032245.PAA16517@u.cc.utah.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Michael.Gillilan@m.cc.utah.edu (Mike Gillilan) Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Status: RO >>Personally, I think the Roland S-7x0 with digital I/O, mouse & monitor has >>really the best handling, sounds great, is enormous flexible, and therefore >still >>better than Akai S-3xxx,ESI & K2000. > > It was these very features that lead me to choose an S-770 over the >K2000. I love the loop-editing features that using the mouse and monitor >allows. Does the K2000 have a comparable interface? > The things I don't like about the S-770 are that it only has 24 note >polyphony and that the sample RAM is stuck at 16 Megs. The K2000 I think >has 64 voices and the internal RAM can go up to 128 Megs. I think things need to be cleared up about the K2000. The K2000 has only 24 note polyphony and 96 osclators (spelling?). Internal RAM goes up to 64Megs. The K2500 is 48 note polyphony, 192 osclators (I think), and a max of 128Megs, plus a lot of other cool things (but it will probably cost an arm and a leg). I think the only thing that the K2000 has for '...loop-editing...using mouse and monitor...' is a large LCD display and some interesting DSP effects. Unless you edit in your computer, but that's a different post. I've given up on Roland Samplers. I felt like I got burned with my purchase of my Roland W-30. I was hoping for some sort memory upgrade, expansion of the sample library, 'Real' OS upgrades---not bug fixes. I know some people who own the S-50 feel the same. When was the last time Roland added new samples to the older S-series sample lib? After a bought my W-30, I think they released a few disks and that was it! When their CD-Rom came out, what was on it? The complete Roland Sound lib (ooh wait, I seem to remember a new 1 meg piano sample for the S-550, anything for the s-50/w-30/s330? NO!). Look at Ensoniq, ver 2.0 of the ASR OS adds Digital Recording, ver 3.0 adds readablity of other samplers' samples. Look at Kurzweil, ver 2.x adds readablity or Roland, Akai, Ensoniq samples, new sampling DSP, etc. Ver 3.01 adds better file handling, reads .aiff and .wav files, a real sequencer and other things. Akai has done similar things with their OS, adding readiblity of other's samples. What has Roland done? Not a whole lot. The S-50 got a sequencer, the S-760 can read Akai s-1000/1100 samples, if there are more that Roland has done for there samplers, please let me know! I'm sorry, but I feel totally burned by Roland. I spent my hard earned money on a Roland gear and feel like they sold me a product and then just dropped it. I'm now searching for a new sampler (anybody want to buy my Roland W-30?). I also know that it won't be a Roland sampler (and yes, I did listen to S-760, the thougt of transfering all my W-30 samples to another sampler seems like a big pain in the ass). I feel that other companies have a lot more to offer and support their gear a lot longer than Roland seems to do. Sorry for the long post, just this post struck a nerve in me :) -mike mwg4616@u.cc.utah.edu ps, flame only intened for Roland. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Feb 3 21:30:51 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 21:30:39 -0500 Received: from waffle.berksys.com ([192.216.219.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 21:17:59 -0500 Received: from wchester.berksys.com (wchester.berksys.com [192.216.219.84]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA06441 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:15:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 21:15:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199502040215.SAA06441@waffle.berksys.com> X-Sender: wchester@mail.berksys.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: wchester@berksys.com (Wes Chester) Subject: Re: Midi Sample Dump on the S50 ? X-Mailer: Status: RO >>Does anybody know how this can be achieved ? The S50 has no commands to >send >>or recieve MSD... I've always been interested in this, as I'd like to >>transfer from the S50 It's fairly easy. Set MIDI Exclusive to on, on the S50 and set the MSD software to match the MIDI exlusive channel on the S50. I use 10. Then you are set to send and recieve. -Wes Chester -wchester@berksys.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Feb 5 15:31:42 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:31:36 -0500 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu ([129.22.8.51]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:19:56 -0500 Received: (ej345@localhost) by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.8.1+cwru/CWRU-2.1-freenet) id PAA29935; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:19:41 -0500 (from ej345) Message-Id: <199502052019.PAA29935@nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:19:41 -0500 From: ej345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen C. Harvey) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Looking to trade S-760 samples... Reply-To: ej345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephen C. Harvey) Status: R I've been on the Lotus archive, and while there appears to be a fairly substantial user-generated library discussed, the samples all seem to be in S-550 format. I am a new S-760 user who would be interested in trading samples, either over the net or (preferred) via snailmail. I have a few disks worth of samples from my Juno-1 (typical analogy stuff), electric bass samples, and random weirdness (samples from Sega games and Adam West as Batman...) What I am espescially looking for is vocal samples, espescially female (anything from wailing divas to pitched "oohs" and "aahs".) I'm also interested in interesting ethnic sounds; drums, digeridoos, whatever. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 06:20:18 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 06:20:01 -0500 Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com ([131.107.1.13]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 06:07:02 -0500 Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA23640; Mon, 6 Feb 95 03:07:24 -0800 Message-Id: <9502061107.AA23640@netmail2.microsoft.com> Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Mon, 06 Feb 95 03:07:24 PST X-Msmail-Message-Id: DFCCAB16 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: DFCCAB16 From: Peter Fitzpatrick To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 22:38:08 -0500 Subject: W30 SCSI Startup Status: RO Hi, Has anyone out there had any success booting their W30 from the external (scsi) hard drive. The manual says I can save the sys and sounds to area 0 and can boot from the HD thus loading the sounds in area 0 too. Though right now all I'm getting is nothing....not even a "please insert system disk" error message. Thoughts ? Suggestions ? -Peter From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 07:43:37 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 07:43:33 -0500 Received: from netman.iscs.nus.sg ([137.132.87.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <137>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 07:32:27 -0500 Received: from sununx.iscs.nus.sg (fongsiul) by netman.iscs.nus.sg with SMTP id AA25186 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 20:32:03 +0800 Received: (from fongsiul@localhost) by sununx.iscs.nus.sg (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA00293 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 20:32:01 +0800 From: _the_JazZMaN_ Message-Id: <199502061232.UAA00293@sununx.iscs.nus.sg> Subject: W30 SCSI Startup To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 07:32:00 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1064 Status: RO Forwarded message: > Has anyone out there had any success booting their W30 from the > external (scsi) hard drive. The manual says I can save the sys and > sounds to area 0 and can boot from the HD thus loading the sounds in > area 0 too. > Though right now all I'm getting is nothing....not even a "please > insert system disk" error message. => Hi Pete! Funny, I don't seem to have that problem. When I bootup, I make sure that the HDs are powered up before I power up my W30. Of course, you have to make sure that your HD ids are set correctly. i.e. your bootup HD should have the lowest id set (0 or 1 I think) These ids are set via jumper pins on the pcb of the HD. I did the HD format and transfwe of the sys from the floppy once and it has been working ever since. Hope this helps _______ / DISCS National University of Singapore ) / Internet: fongsiul@iscs.nus.sg )RIAN FONG / a.k.a. the_JazZMaN_ B') -Christian-GUSser-jazz-r&b-bassguitar-synth-tennis-ST&SW-Xmen- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 08:36:35 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:36:22 -0500 Received: from gmlink.gmeds.com ([192.85.154.65]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <138>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:19:55 -0500 Received: from sun.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by gmlink.gmeds.com with SMTP id AA08771 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:19:44 -0500 Received: from cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com by Sun.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (4.1/EDS-1.0) id AA13399; Mon, 6 Feb 95 08:19:44 EST Received: from CPS01/SpoolDir by cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 6 Feb 95 8:19:39 +500 Received: from SpoolDir by CPS01 (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 6 Feb 95 8:19:35 +500 From: "Brian Layzell" Organization: EDS/CPS To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 07:19:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <187C6C678CB@cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com> Status: RO > I've given up on Roland Samplers. I felt like I got burned with my > purchase of my Roland W-30. I was hoping for some sort memory upgrade, > expansion of the sample library, 'Real' OS upgrades---not bug fixes. I > know some people who own the S-50 feel the same. When was the last time > Roland added new samples to the older S-series sample lib? After a bought > my W-30, I think they released a few disks and that was it! When their > CD-Rom came out, what was on it? The complete Roland Sound lib (ooh wait, > I seem to remember a new 1 meg piano sample for the S-550, anything for the > s-50/w-30/s330? NO!). Look at Ensoniq, ver 2.0 of the ASR OS adds Digital > Recording, ver 3.0 adds readablity of other samplers' samples. Look at > Kurzweil, ver 2.x adds readablity or Roland, Akai, Ensoniq samples, new > sampling DSP, etc. Ver 3.01 adds better file handling, reads .aiff and > .wav files, a real sequencer and other things. Akai has done similar > things with their OS, adding readiblity of other's samples. What has > Roland done? Not a whole lot. The S-50 got a sequencer, the S-760 can > read Akai s-1000/1100 samples, if there are more that Roland has done for > there samplers, please let me know! I'm sorry, but I feel totally burned > by Roland. I spent my hard earned money on a Roland gear and feel like > they sold me a product and then just dropped it. > > I'm now searching for a new sampler (anybody want to buy my Roland W-30?). > I also know that it won't be a Roland sampler (and yes, I did listen to > S-760, the thougt of transfering all my W-30 samples to another sampler > seems like a big pain in the ass). I feel that other companies have a lot > more to offer and support their gear a lot longer than Roland seems to do. > Sorry for the long post, just this post struck a nerve in me :) > > -mike > mwg4616@u.cc.utah.edu > > ps, flame only intened for Roland. > Mike, you can add another dissatisfied Roland S-50 owner to your list. I agree with everything you said above. I still have the original marketing literature for the S-50 saying that not only can the OS be upgraded but that educational software was in the making. I thought that would be great for my kids. Unfortunately, it never happened. Furthermore, instead of upgrading the operating system, they release a utility program (for copying patches, converting sample formats and the like) and charge too much for it and make it difficult to obtain. I too have given up on Roland. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 08:49:56 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:49:43 -0500 Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com ([131.107.1.13]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:36:18 -0500 Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA26276; Mon, 6 Feb 95 05:32:06 -0800 Message-Id: <9502061332.AA26276@netmail2.microsoft.com> Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Mon, 06 Feb 95 05:32:06 PST X-Msmail-Message-Id: 54A38869 X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 54A38869 From: Peter Fitzpatrick To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 01:22:10 -0500 Subject: RE: W30 SCSI Startup Status: R Hi, Yes, there are two HD's in the enclosure. One 40MB and one 80MB drive. They're set to ID 0 and 6 respectively. There's termination at one end. I have no problems with data transfer with them. any other ideas? (I might change the ID's on the other drive to see if I can boot from that one)/ -Peter ---------- >>>From: _the_JazZMaN_ >>>To: >>>Subject: W30 SCSI Startup >>>Date: 06 February 1995 07:32 >>> >>>Forwarded message: >>>> Has anyone out there had any success booting their W30 from the >>>> external (scsi) hard drive. The manual says I can save the sys and >>>> sounds to area 0 and can boot from the HD thus loading the sounds in >>>> area 0 too. >>>> Though right now all I'm getting is nothing....not even a "please >>>> insert system disk" error message. >>> >>> => Hi Pete! Funny, I don't seem to have that problem. When I >>> bootup, I make sure that the HDs are powered up before I power >>> up my W30. Of course, you have to make sure that your HD ids >>> are set correctly. i.e. your bootup HD should have the lowest >>> id set (0 or 1 I think) These ids are set via jumper pins on >>> the pcb of the HD. I did the HD format and transfwe of the sys >>> from the floppy once and it has been working ever since. Hope >>> this helps >>> >>>_______ / DISCS National University of Singapore >>> ) / Internet: fongsiul@iscs.nus.sg >>> )RIAN FONG / a.k.a. the_JazZMaN_ B') >>>-Christian-GUSser-jazz-r&b-bassguitar-synth-tennis-ST&SW-Xmen- >>> >>> From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 12:12:08 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:11:51 -0500 Received: from convex.cl.msu.edu ([35.8.7.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:00:31 -0500 Received: from philemon.asc.msu.edu by convex.cl.msu.edu (5.64/1.35) id AA10681; Mon, 6 Feb 95 12:00:12 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: rrobb@msu.edu (Randy Robb) Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 07:02:14 -0500 Message-Id: Status: R In article Michael.Gillilan@m.cc.utah.edu (Mike Gillilan) writes: >I've given up on Roland Samplers. I felt like I got burned with my >purchase of my Roland W-30. I was hoping for some sort memory upgrade, >expansion of the sample library, 'Real' OS upgrades---not bug fixes. I >know some people who own the S-50 feel the same. When was the last time >Roland added new samples to the older S-series sample lib? After a bought >my W-30, I think they released a few disks and that was it! When their >CD-Rom came out, what was on it? The complete Roland Sound lib (ooh wait, >I seem to remember a new 1 meg piano sample for the S-550, anything for the >s-50/w-30/s330? NO!). Look at Ensoniq, ver 2.0 of the ASR OS adds Digital >Recording, ver 3.0 adds readablity of other samplers' samples. Look at >Kurzweil, ver 2.x adds readablity or Roland, Akai, Ensoniq samples, new >sampling DSP, etc. Ver 3.01 adds better file handling, reads .aiff and >.wav files, a real sequencer and other things. Akai has done similar >things with their OS, adding readiblity of other's samples. What has >Roland done? Not a whole lot. The S-50 got a sequencer, the S-760 can >read Akai s-1000/1100 samples, if there are more that Roland has done for >there samplers, please let me know! I'm sorry, but I feel totally burned >by Roland. I spent my hard earned money on a Roland gear and feel like >they sold me a product and then just dropped it. >I'm now searching for a new sampler (anybody want to buy my Roland W-30?). >I also know that it won't be a Roland sampler (and yes, I did listen to >S-760, the thougt of transfering all my W-30 samples to another sampler >seems like a big pain in the ass). I feel that other companies have a lot >more to offer and support their gear a lot longer than Roland seems to do. >Sorry for the long post, just this post struck a nerve in me :) > -mike > mwg4616@u.cc.utah.edu >ps, flame only intened for Roland. I totally agree with you. I will NEVER spend my money on Roland equipment again. I also have a W-30 and think that the only decent thing that Roland can do is refund us the money (or a good part of) that we paid for them. I feel that they are theives, and I will not trust them again. If they cannot support their products then they shouldn't be producing them. Maybe we (W-30 owners) should get together and start some kind of a joint protest and bring this to Roland's attention. Maybe we could at least get some kind of compensation from them. Any ideas? Maybe we could all get together and buy a full page ad in Electronic Musician to rag on Roland. That would get their attention. -- Randy From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 12:41:16 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:41:08 -0500 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com ([192.100.81.128]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <135>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:31:09 -0500 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id JAA04619; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 09:29:37 -0800 From: zzz@netcom.com (jt) Message-Id: <199502061729.JAA04619@netcom15.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future To: rrobb@msu.edu (Randy Robb) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:29:36 -0500 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: from "Randy Robb" at Feb 6, 95 07:02:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 427 Status: R > them. Any ideas? Maybe we could all get together and buy a full page ad in > Electronic Musician to rag on Roland. That would get their attention. Its a good idea, but too bad EM kisses every advertiser's ass. Ever read a review where they, or any mag for that matter, said, "Don't buy it. They have a history of not supporting their products and not delivering on promises."? (flames directed only to the press ;) jt From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 12:51:21 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:51:11 -0500 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <162>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:41:18 -0500 Received: from waffle.berksys.com ([192.216.219.2]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77498-3>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:39:57 -0500 Received: from wchester.berksys.com (wchester.berksys.com [192.216.219.84]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA17726 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 09:32:14 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:32:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199502061732.JAA17726@waffle.berksys.com> X-Sender: wchester@mail.berksys.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: wchester@berksys.com (Wes Chester) Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future X-Mailer: Status: R >I totally agree with you. I will NEVER spend my money on Roland equipment >again. I also have a W-30 and think that the only decent thing that Roland can >do is refund us the money (or a good part of) that we paid for them. I feel >that they are theives, and I will not trust them again. If they cannot support >their products then they shouldn't be producing them. Maybe we (W-30 owners) >should get together and start some kind of a joint protest and bring this to >Roland's attention. Maybe we could at least get some kind of compensation from >them. Any ideas? Maybe we could all get together and buy a full page ad in >Electronic Musician to rag on Roland. That would get their attention. > -- Randy Ouch! I have an S-50 and am contemplating a S760. Although I do agree that Roland supoort is awfull, I still think that even today my S-50 is problly one of the best samplers out there (minus the 30khz 12bit sampling limit). I simply rent or barrow other instruments and equipment and sample the whole lot to create my own librarys. When I found out that I only had half of the sound library disks, Roland stuck me with an extra meaty charge. They also did not seem to even know about SCSI compatibility for the S50 and could not give me any answers about it. Still, they are ahead of their time in the technology area to me, and the keyboard itself has been through many flights and recording sessions with only some scratches. -Wes Chester -wchester@berksys.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 13:46:36 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:46:22 -0500 Received: from persian.engin.umich.edu ([141.212.64.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <166>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:38:00 -0500 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by persian.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id NAA07441; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:37:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:37:27 -0500 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199502061837.NAA07441@persian.engin.umich.edu> To: rrobb@msu.edu, zzz@netcom.com Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R I dunno if you saw the review that Future Music gave of the Doepfer analogue MIDI sequencer, but the ripped it apart!! They gave it a 40 percent rating, previously the lowest was 50! Then again Doepfer is not a "paying" advertiser in that mag. :$ LjSkD From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 15:06:02 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:05:56 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77121-3>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:05:45 -0500 Received: from services.more.net ([128.206.1.214]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 14:56:45 -0500 Received: from [204.185.50.10] by services.more.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16895; Mon, 6 Feb 95 13:52:51 CST Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 14:52:50 -0500 Message-Id: <9502061952.AA16895@services.more.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: ofajen@services.more.net (otto fajen) Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Status: R geee... maybe for fun we could file a class-action suit against roland for failure to support their products? :-) otto From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 15:39:36 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:39:28 -0500 Received: from ccrb.engin.umich.edu ([141.211.163.28]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:25:43 -0500 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by ccrb.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id PAA29517; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:25:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:25:25 -0500 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199502062025.PAA29517@ccrb.engin.umich.edu> To: ofajen@services.more.net, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Status: R yeah I want scsi on my DJ-70! I know that it has the same chip as their new DJ sampler with SCSI, it has to! LjSkD From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 16:14:43 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 16:14:31 -0500 Received: from duncan.cs.utk.edu ([128.169.94.83]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <183>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 16:05:48 -0500 Received: by duncan.cs.utk.edu (8.6.8/2.8c-UTK) id QAA00834; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 16:05:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 16:05:38 -0500 From: Derek Christopher Jeter Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9502061952.AA16895@services.more.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R I have to agree with the recent disgust with Roland support. They make great synths and drum machines, but their sampler support department leaves something to be desired. I have a Roland S50, and I was looking forward to upgrading RAM, adding a SCSI drive, etc.. But now I'm stuck with a stock sampler. All of Roland's early samplers (W30, S50, etc) have the potential to be exceellent machines, but Roland chose not to carry them to their limit. Bummer eh? Oh well, I hope Roland is reading this... | Derek Jeter == djeter@cs.utk.edu == http://www.cs.utk.edu/~djeter/ | | % Roland S50, MT32, JUNO-106, Yamaha TX81Z, 486/50+PAS16 win3.1 Cubase % | | % Audio, Video, Home Theatre, Mobile autosound/security, Computer Tech % | On Mon, 6 Feb 1995, otto fajen wrote: > geee... maybe for fun we could file a class-action suit against roland for > failure to support their products? :-) > > otto > > > From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 17:56:13 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:56:00 -0500 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <182>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:48:45 -0500 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (8.6.9/941220-22:07) id SAA06479; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:48:31 -0400 Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.6.9/950125-15:45) id SAA05571; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:48:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:48:29 -0500 From: scott dhomas trenn X-Sender: dhomas@jupiter To: SGroup Subject: Why? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R How come EMail posted to this list comes back to me as Undeliverable (usually twice)? But it does actually make it to the list, as I receive it back... as well as responses. does anyone else have this problem? dhomas. ************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: dhomas@unb.ca * ** ** ************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 18:30:27 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:30:13 -0500 Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu ([128.8.73.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:19:09 -0500 Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (mbastian@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.124]) by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA18084 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:18:49 -0500 Received: (mbastian@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA11362; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:18:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:18:45 -0500 From: Mark Bastian To: Roland Sampler Group Subject: Re: Why? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Mon, 6 Feb 1995, scott dhomas trenn wrote: > How come EMail posted to this list comes back to me as Undeliverable > (usually twice)? But it does actually make it to the list, as I receive > it back... as well as responses. does anyone else have this problem? > > dhomas. same here. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 19:28:51 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:28:45 -0500 Received: from netmail.microsoft.com ([131.107.1.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:20:22 -0500 Received: by netmail.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA05837; Mon, 6 Feb 95 16:19:45 -0800 Message-Id: <9502070019.AA05837@netmail.microsoft.com> Received: by netmail using fxenixd 1.0 Mon, 06 Feb 95 16:19:44 PST X-Msmail-Message-Id: C25F845D X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: C25F845D From: Peter Fitzpatrick To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 21:38:54 -0500 Subject: FW: Opinions concerning the future Cc: rrobb@msu.edu Status: R I agree 100%, totally. Absolutely. "Maybe we (W-30 owners) should get together and start some kind of a joint protest and bring this to Roland's attention. " Yes. Agreed. I'm in. Here's the text of a mail I sent to Roland tech. on Compuserve last week : My message : (paraphrased) >>>a message suggesting that they hire a couple of >>>freelance programmers to write some useful file conversion >>>utilites (e.g. W30 Sequence to PC MIDI and vice versa etc etc etc) Also asking if I could get an SDK since I knew a couple of programmers >>>who would gladly write some apps for me. I even mentioned this group to them. Their Reply : (quoted) >>>I would like to be able to freely exchange sample >>>disks in *both* directions but can't. >>>You should be able to if you simply format the disk >>>on the S-330, then save sounds from your W-30. >>>The W-30 uses a different disk format as it must accomodate >>>both sounds and songs. >>>Sorry, but there is no additional development planned >>>for the long discontinued W-30. >>>RolandTech >>>Jeff ---------- From: Randy Robb To: Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Date: 06 February 1995 07:02 I totally agree with you. I will NEVER spend my money on Roland equipment again. I also have a W-30 and think that the only decent thing that Roland can do is refund us the money (or a good part of) that we paid for them. I feel that they are theives, and I will not trust them again. If they cannot support their products then they shouldn't be producing them. Maybe we (W-30 owners) should get together and start some kind of a joint protest and bring this to Roland's attention. Maybe we could at least get some kind of compensation from them. Any ideas? Maybe we could all get together and buy a full page ad in Electronic Musician to rag on Roland. That would get their attention. -- Randy From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 20:47:09 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 20:46:58 -0500 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM ([151.144.254.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <187>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 20:37:46 -0500 Received: from atlas.ccmail.airtouch.com (ccmail.airtouch.com) by Zool.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-Zool:MLC:940403-02) id AA29467; Mon, 6 Feb 95 17:33:43 PST Received: from cc:Mail by atlas.ccmail.airtouch.com id AA792121183 Mon, 06 Feb 95 17:39:43 PST Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 20:39:43 -0500 From: charlie.malone@atlas.ccmail.AirTouch.COM (charlie malone) Encoding: 383 Text Message-Id: <9501067921.AA792121183@atlas.ccmail.airtouch.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Alchmey Status: R >I am looking for Alchemy 2.5 or earlier for Mac (that is, a version >that can support S-50, S-330, etc). If you have it, want to sell or >trade, contact me. >Antoine W Caron caron@biotech.lan.nrc.ca I'm looking for it too.... Charlie.Malone@atlas.ccmail.airtouch.com Doesn't the new version support the s-series? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 21:17:31 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 21:17:23 -0500 Received: from ccrb.engin.umich.edu ([141.211.163.28]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 21:09:35 -0500 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by ccrb.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id VAA03244; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 21:09:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 21:09:13 -0500 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199502070209.VAA03244@ccrb.engin.umich.edu> To: dhomas@unb.ca, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Why? Status: R same here! I dunno all my lists are messed up. LjSkD From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 22:28:47 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:28:41 -0500 Received: from innet.com ([166.93.40.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:21:35 -0500 Received: from 4263.innet.com by innet.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #13) id m0rbgMI-0003rRC; Mon, 6 Feb 95 22:12 EST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:12:00 -0500 X-Sender: joek@innet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: joek@innet.com (Joe Kearney) Subject: DJ-70 X-Mailer: Status: R >yeah I want scsi on my DJ-70! I know that it has the same chip as their new DJ >sampler with SCSI, it has to! I sure would like to see that as well. Im new to the mailing list, and have yet to hear of any mods or programs that take advantage of the DJ. Anything interesting, like something that will convert formats and stuff like that? Thanks, Joe From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 22:41:19 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:41:12 -0500 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <190>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:30:54 -0500 Received: from david by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rbgcE-000JeEC; Mon, 6 Feb 95 22:29 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Mon, 6 Feb 95 21:35:44 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 21:35:44 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-ID: <0105009A.lohlf1@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R In Regards to your letter <187C6C678CB@cps01.cps.plnin.gmeds.com>: > > list. I agree with everything you said above. I still have the > original marketing literature for the S-50 saying that not only can > the OS be upgraded but that educational software was in the making. > I thought that would be great for my kids. Unfortunately, it never > happened. Educational software? What, to run on a S-50? David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 22:50:49 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:50:44 -0500 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:40:58 -0500 Received: from david by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rbgcF-000Je6C; Mon, 6 Feb 95 22:29 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Mon, 6 Feb 95 21:44:35 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 21:44:35 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-ID: <0105009A.loi633@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R In Regards to your letter <199502061732.JAA17726@waffle.berksys.com>: > > >I totally agree with you. I will NEVER spend my money on Roland equipment > >again. I also have a W-30 and think that the only decent thing that Roland can > >do is refund us the money (or a good part of) that we paid for them. I feel > >that they are theives, and I will not trust them again. If they cannot support > >their products then they shouldn't be producing them. Maybe we (W-30 owners) > >should get together and start some kind of a joint protest and bring this to > >Roland's attention. Maybe we could at least get some kind of compensation from > >them. Any ideas? Maybe we could all get together and buy a full page ad in > >Electronic Musician to rag on Roland. That would get their attention. > > -- Randy > > Ouch! > I have an S-50 and am contemplating a S760. Although I do agree that Roland > supoort is awfull, I still think that even today my S-50 is problly one of > the best samplers out there (minus the 30khz 12bit sampling limit). I simply > rent or barrow other instruments and equipment and sample the whole lot to > create my own librarys. When I found out that I only had half of the sound > library disks, Roland stuck me with an extra meaty charge. They also did not > seem to even know about SCSI compatibility for the S50 and could not give me > any answers about it. Still, they are ahead of their time in the technology > area to me, and the keyboard itself has been through many flights and > recording sessions with only some scratches. > > -Wes Chester > -wchester@berksys.com > I still use a lot of the Roland Sample library for production use. I heard the K-2000 cassette demo sent to me from Sweetwater Sound and although it was a good demo, it didn't blow me away to think that I should rush out and buy it as a replacement sampler. I think if there were a sampler out there with 64 voice or more it would certainly get my attention. I wasn't impressed with the K-2000 only having 20 voice. David From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Feb 6 23:04:40 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 23:04:30 -0500 Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com ([131.107.1.13]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <194>; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:51:01 -0500 Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA22032; Mon, 6 Feb 95 19:41:17 -0800 Message-Id: <9502070341.AA22032@netmail2.microsoft.com> Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Mon, 06 Feb 95 19:41:17 PST X-Msmail-Message-Id: CCF29CAD X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: CCF29CAD From: Peter Fitzpatrick To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 13:37:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Cc: djeter@cs.utk.edu Status: RO Well, I'll save the mails and send them all as a text file to Roland on both Compuserve and also to their offices. Does anyone think they'll take notice ? ---------- >>>From: Derek Christopher Jeter >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future >>>Date: 06 February 1995 16:05 >>> >>> >>> >>> I have to agree with the recent disgust with Roland support. They make >>> great synths and drum machines, but their sampler support department leaves >>> something to be desired. I have a Roland S50, and I was looking forward >>> to upgrading RAM, adding a SCSI drive, etc.. But now I'm stuck with >>> a stock sampler. All of Roland's early samplers (W30, S50, etc) have the >>> potential to be exceellent machines, but Roland chose not to carry them >>> to their limit. Bummer eh? Oh well, I hope Roland is reading this... >>> >>>| Derek Jeter == djeter@cs.utk.edu == http://www.cs.utk.edu/~djeter/ | >>>| % Roland S50, MT32, JUNO-106, Yamaha TX81Z, 486/50+PAS16 win3.1 Cubase % | >>>| % Audio, Video, Home Theatre, Mobile autosound/security, Computer Tech % | >>> >>>On Mon, 6 Feb 1995, otto fajen wrote: >>> >>>> geee... maybe for fun we could file a class-action suit against roland for >>>> failure to support their products? :-) >>>> >>>> otto >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Feb 7 00:38:33 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:38:23 -0500 Received: from ccrb.engin.umich.edu ([141.211.163.28]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <192>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:31:15 -0500 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by ccrb.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id AAA05077; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:30:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:30:59 -0500 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199502070530.AAA05077@ccrb.engin.umich.edu> To: joek@innet.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: DJ-70 Status: RO although I have not tried it still dhomas's sample utility should load the DJ disks on the amiga! LjSkD From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Feb 7 12:19:28 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:19:25 -0500 Received: from duncan.cs.utk.edu ([128.169.94.83]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <193>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:02:58 -0500 Received: by duncan.cs.utk.edu (8.6.8/2.8c-UTK) id MAA21413; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:02:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:02:42 -0500 From: Derek Christopher Jeter Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9502070341.AA22032@netmail2.microsoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Sun, 5 Feb 1995, Peter Fitzpatrick wrote: > Well, I'll save the mails and send them all as a text file to Roland on > both Compuserve and also to their offices. Does anyone think they'll > take notice ? Yeah they will. Forward everything to 'em. Tell Roland, "This is a news group devoted to *your* products! And listen to how UNhappy the people are!" | Derek Jeter == djeter@cs.utk.edu == http://www.cs.utk.edu/~djeter/ | | % Roland S50, MT32, JUNO-106, Yamaha TX81Z, 486/50+PAS16 win3.1 Cubase % | | % Audio, Video, Home Theatre, Mobile autosound/security, Computer Tech % | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Feb 7 12:53:18 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-2>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:53:12 -0500 Received: from kresge.engin.umich.edu ([141.211.163.25]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <195>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:39:04 -0500 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by kresge.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id MAA12407; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:38:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:38:11 -0500 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199502071738.MAA12407@kresge.engin.umich.edu> To: djeter@cs.utk.edu, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Opinions concerning the future Status: R Yes !! do it! Like they'll even care tho. I honestly think that companies fight what their customers want sometimes. After using an Amiga this is a very raw spot! LjSkD From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Feb 7 15:23:17 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-2>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:23:13 -0500 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <196>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:14:16 -0500 Received: from gw1.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77121-1>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:13:43 -0500 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA13646; Tue, 7 Feb 95 15:09:21 EST From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from dspsun by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA16895; Tue, 7 Feb 95 14:12:57 EST Received: by dspsun (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA20517; Tue, 7 Feb 95 14:12:54 EST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 14:12:54 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9502071912.AA20517@dspsun> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Roland Hears Us Status: R Concerning the recent hub-bub about Roland's support, please be aware that Jim Norman, Roland USA's Sampler Product Specialist, is a member of the sgroup. (Unless he's quietly left sgroup and I don't know it.) Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com ============ > From: filmuse@netcom.com (Jim Norman) > Subject: Joining Sgroup > To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca > Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 15:21:09 -0400 > > Hi there, I've been trying to find you guys for some time. > I lost the address information about Sgroup. Please add me > to your subscription list. I work for Roland as their > Sampler Product Specialist. If I can be of any help let me > know.I'm very interested in your group, and I'll pass along > to other Roland sampler owners about your existance. I get > lots of calls from S550, S50, W30, and other Sampler owners. > If you want to talk with me by phone you can call me directly > at Roland (213) 685-5141 ext 770. > Jim Norman ============ To contact Roland US online: 72662.376@compuserve.com This is for US residents only! (They are very picky about this) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Feb 7 16:16:02 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-2>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:15:53 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <199>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:58:34 -0500 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <198>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:57:59 -0500 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88172-3>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:57:46 -0500 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup mailing list administrative change Message-Id: <95Feb7.155746est.88172-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:57:44 -0500 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO At long last, the sgroup mailing list has been changed to be under the control of an automated mailing list manager -- in this case, majordomo. This will free me from a certain amount of the mailing list maintenance drudgery, and should result in less junk mail for me, and fewer bounced mail messages for you. Subscription related requests should be sent to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca with subscribe sgroup or unsubscribe sgroup in the body of the mail message. Majordomo also understands other commands, like help, info, and so on. Those of you already on the mailing list may have trouble unsubscribing without human intervention - if so, just let me know. Let me know if you run into any problems. John Sellens jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Roland sgroup mailing list maintainer From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Feb 7 17:16:38 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-1>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:16:31 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77770-2>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:16:14 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <200>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:07:26 -0500 Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu ([128.101.115.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <198>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:06:35 -0500 Received: from dialup-2-155.gw.umn.edu by gold.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 7 Feb 95 16:04:55 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:06:03 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: hend0057@gold.tc.umn.edu (Mark D. Henderson) Subject: sgroup Re: Opinions concerning the future Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:00:20 -0600 >From:hend0057@gold.tc.umn.edu (Mark D. Henderson) >Subject:Re: Opinions concerning the future > >>On Sun, 5 Feb 1995, Peter Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Well, I'll save the mails and send them all as a text file to Roland on >>> both Compuserve and also to their offices. Does anyone think they'll >>> take notice ? >> >> >> Yeah they will. Forward everything to 'em. Tell Roland, "This is a news >> group devoted to *your* products! And listen to how UNhappy the people >> are!" >> I guess I have felt this way for several years (after spending many thousands of dollars on an S-550 and a MKS-70. Roland never did offer any tech support. The best help always came from my local dealer. For this reason, I have taken to buying ONLY USED Roland gear. You save the $$$ and don't have to worry about losing your support form the company (as fi you ever had any). At least this way, Roland never sees any of my money going directly to them. (How about that piece of propagandist crap, the "Roland Users Magazine"? I hope that Roland does get to see all this mail. Unfortunately, I fear they really don't give a shit. Mark D. Henderson //..."it don't mean a thing hend0057@gold.tc.umn.edu // if it ain't got that swing" Universtiy of Minnesota -Duke Ellington From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Feb 7 21:44:55 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 21:44:44 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <201>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 21:36:29 -0500 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM ([151.144.254.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <198>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 21:35:39 -0500 Received: from atlas.ccmail.airtouch.com (ccmail.airtouch.com) by Zool.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-Zool:MLC:940403-02) id AA05461; Tue, 7 Feb 95 18:31:42 PST Received: from cc:Mail by atlas.ccmail.airtouch.com id AA792211063 Tue, 07 Feb 95 18:37:43 PST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 21:37:43 -0500 From: charlie.malone@atlas.ccmail.airtouch.com (charlie malone) Encoding: 1180 Text Message-Id: <9501077922.AA792211063@atlas.ccmail.airtouch.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, joek@innet.com (Joe Kearney) Subject: sgroup Re: DJ-70 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I know one of the design consultants (a L.A. club DJ) for the DJ-70 and he couldn't believe they opted to not put a SCSI on it. After they got the final product together, he did the demo for it at NAMM'94 then Roland dropped the DJ-70, and my friend like a hot brick. I think they pretty much wrote it off as a loss, so I wouldn't expect to see any upgrades or expansions from Roland at all. Bummer, I love the scratch wheel on that thing, I wish someone would make a stand alone scratch wheel/MIDI/sample controller.... Charlie.. I am Am! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: DJ-70 Author: joek@innet.com (Joe Kearney) at atlas Date: 2/6/95 7:41 PM >yeah I want scsi on my DJ-70! I know that it has the same chip as their new DJ >sampler with SCSI, it has to! I sure would like to see that as well. Im new to the mailing list, and have yet to hear of any mods or programs that take advantage of the DJ. Anything interesting, like something that will convert formats and stuff like that? Thanks, Joe From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Feb 7 23:08:36 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 23:08:31 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <202>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 23:00:05 -0500 Received: from waffle.berksys.com ([192.216.219.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <198>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:59:15 -0500 Received: from wchester.berksys.com (wchester.berksys.com [192.216.219.84]) by waffle.berksys.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA18102 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 19:56:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:56:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199502080356.TAA18102@waffle.berksys.com> X-Sender: wchester@mail.berksys.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: wchester@berksys.com (Wes Chester) Subject: sgroup S760 Upgrade... X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO What's the deal with paying extra for the CRT option on the S760? I would like to use S-Video and a mouse. Anybody know if I can avoid poaying extra for this? -Wes Chester -wchester@berksys.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 01:17:42 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:17:30 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <203>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:10:07 -0500 Received: from netcom.netcom.com ([192.100.81.100]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <198>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:09:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id WAA11538; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:07:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199502080607.WAA11538@netcom.netcom.com> To: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, pdel@netcom.com Subject: sgroup Re: Roland Hears Us In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Feb 95 14:12:54 EST." <9502071912.AA20517@dspsun> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:07:24 -0500 From: Peter Delevoryas Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Question, Is the policy of not releasing O.S. source code still enforced? It would sure be neat if the HD-5 system could be finished so it would allow you to boot from the HD and save the systems to the hard disk. Did you know it would have been able to store 4 different O.S.'s to HD? Plus, you could save sequences from the SYS-550 sequencer OS to HD. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 01:27:45 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:27:35 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <208>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:19:03 -0500 Received: from netcom.netcom.com ([192.100.81.100]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <198>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:18:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id WAA12780; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:15:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199502080615.WAA12780@netcom.netcom.com> To: hend0057@gold.tc.umn.edu (Mark D. Henderson) cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, pdel@netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup Re: Opinions concerning the future In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 07 Feb 95 17:06:03 EST." Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:15:54 -0500 From: Peter Delevoryas Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >Roland never did offer any tech support. >I have taken to buying ONLY USED Roland gear What makes the difference? Is it management? How can Ensoniq make great equipment and have support too? I know there are some good people at Roland, too, but why do you hear more complaints than thanks? I am sorry to say that I too voted with my wallet and will not buy any Roland equipment because of the support issue. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 01:46:15 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:46:08 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <198>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:36:23 -0500 Received: from innet.com ([166.93.40.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <209>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:35:24 -0500 Received: from 4253.innet.com by innet.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #13) id m0rc5rI-000451C; Wed, 8 Feb 95 01:26 EST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 01:26:00 -0500 X-Sender: joek@innet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: joek@innet.com (Joe Kearney) Subject: sgroup DJ-70 Manual X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Would anyone happen to have a manual they dont need anymore for the DJ-70? I picked one up secondhard and I sure could use the book. Id also be willing to pay for a copy if anyone is so inclined. Are they available from Roland? See ya, Joe joek@innet.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 04:43:34 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 04:43:27 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <210>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 04:33:22 -0500 Received: from veda.is ([193.4.230.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <209>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 04:32:29 -0500 Received: from johann.veda.is (johann.veda.is [193.4.230.132]) by veda.is (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA14769 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:30:03 GMT Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 04:30:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199502080930.JAA14769@veda.is> X-Sender: johann@veda.is X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: johann@veda.is (Johann Bjarnason) Subject: sgroup control over cut-off frequency and reconance Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Is there any way to assign cut-off frequency and reconance to real time events such as aftertouch or key velocity on a S-550? I have been trying this for some time but no luck. job. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 12:03:54 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-1>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:03:48 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <211>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:54:39 -0500 Received: from news.his.com ([198.4.81.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <209>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:53:49 -0500 Received: from clone.UUCP (clone@localhost) by news.his.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) with UUCP id LAA00275 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:34:35 -0500 Received: by clone.his.com (Fred/1.9q) id AA09241; Wed, 08 Feb 1995 11:17:29 From: doug.ramsay@his.com (Doug Ramsay) Reply-To: doug.ramsay@his.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 04:37:39 -0500 Message-ID: <792271051.AA09241@clone.his.com> Subject: sgroup S-7xx Sampler Info To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi S-Group: The following is some useful information for S-7xx sampler owners (now if we can only get something as comprehensive for S-550 owners). Downloaded from The Washington MIDI Users Group. Cheers, Doug P.S.: If anyone knows if there is compatibility of these units for use with S-550 samplers, please post. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ROLAND 700 SERIES DIGITAL SAMPLER COMPATIBILITY GUIDE 7/7/94 ====================================================================== CURRENT OPERATING SYSTEMS* S-760 2.13 S-770 / S-750 2.23 SP-700 1.06 *Subject to change without notice ====================================================================== CD-ROM DRIVES SONY Mechanism CDU-6111 Roland CD-5 SONY Mechanism CDU-541 MicroNet PLI ProCom SONY Mechanism CDU-561 Apple CD-300 Dynatek (Rack Mount Version) Sound Logic (Rack Mount Version) Pacific Coast Technologies AKA P.C.T. (Rack Mount Version) RAMTEK (Rack Mount Version) NEC* Mechanisms CDR-25 CDR-35 CDR-36 CDR-37 CDR-38 CDR-74 CDR-84 CDR-210 MacWarehouse PowerUser Drive CDR-211 * We do not currently support the NEC 3 & 4X CD-ROM drives. Roland will add more drivers in the system software in the future for these and other popular CD-ROM drives. CHINON Mechanisms CDX-431 CDX-435 CDX-535 (Rack Mount Version) Glyph Technologies TOSHIBA Mechanisms XM-3301 XM-3401 XM-4401A (Rack Mount Versions) Sound Logic and RAMTEK PLEXTOR (formally Texel) Mechanisms M-5024D 3028 (Rack Mount Version) Dynatek PIONEER (6 Disc Multi CD-ROM changers) Mechanisms DRM-204X DRM-604X *HARD DRIVES Most SCSI hard drives that fully compatible with a Macintosh computer should work with the 700 series digital samplers. Our samplers format up to 600MB per drive. SUGGESTED TYPES OF FIXED HARD DRIVES Quantum Toshiba Conner Seagate Fujitsu Maxtor ====================================================================== REMOVABLE MEDIA DRIVES SYQUEST MECHANISMS 44MB, 88MB, 105MB, 200MB, and 270MB PLI P.C.T. (Rack Mount Version) Dynatek (Rack Mount Version) Sound Logic (Rack Mount Version) BERNOULLI MECHANISMS 150MB* RAMTEK (Rack Mount Version) Sound Logic (Rack Mount Version) * No Bernoulli drives other than the 150MB drive have been tested. 128MB OPTICAL MECHANISMS SONY Mechanism RMO-S50 MassMicro MicroNet Pinnacle Micro PLI Dynatek (Rack Mount Version) SONY Mechanism 301F Glyph Technology (Rack Mount Version) RICOH RS-3100E Chinon Relax Sierra RICOH RS-5031E SoundLogic (Rack Mount Version) 256MB OPTICAL MECHANISMS Ocean Micro Most 256MB RAMTEK (Rack Mount Version) Sound Logic (Rack Mount Version) 600MB OPTICAL MECHANISMS SONY RMO-S550 FWB/Hammerdisk MassMicro/Datapak ThirdWave/Optidisk PLI/Optical 5.25 Optima/Concord 600 Sharp JY-750 Maxoptix Tahiti-2 & 3 Dynatek (Rack Mount Version) Soundlogic (Rack Mount Version) RICOH RS-9200 1.3 GB OPTICAL MECHANISMS We can format up to 600MB per side. These optical discs have 650+MB per side PINNACLE MICRO Sierra 1.3 SONY * SMO-F521 1.3GB Dynatek (Rack Mount Version) Sound Logic * The samplers will see this drive as a hard disk, rather than as a optical drive. The drive will operate correctly otherwise. All Optical media should use 512K sector discs. ====================================================================== SCSI DATA DAT Backup Drives Wang DATA DAT Archive Python DATA DAT Conner DATA DAT Sound Logic (Rack Mount Version) Dynatek (Rack Mount Version) P.C.T. (Rack Mount Version) ====================================================================== *RGB MONITORS These monitors require special adapter cables. See the numbers listed below for monitor cables. Atari 1224 Atari 1435 Mitsubshi DiamondScan Commodore 1080 & 1084 Darius TSM-1431 Taxan 610/420 Sony KV1311 Sony PVM NEC 3D Magnavox 8762 Zenith ZVM133 ====================================================================== MEMORY We recommend using the highest quality SIMMs possible. See the numbers listed below under Contact Sources for companies recommended by Roland U.S.for compatibile SIMMs. S-770 & DJ-70 30pin 1X8 100ns or faster S-750 30pin 4X8 100ns or faster SP-700 30pin 4X8 100ns or faster S-760 72pin 8 or 16MB*Non-composite.Modules mounted on one side only. *Depending on the memory configuration CONTACT SOURCES ====================================================================== SCSI Drives: Phone Pacific Coast Technologies (P.C.T.) (619) 693-0209 Dynatek (902) 832 3000 RAMTEK (313) 513-7440 SoundLogic (619) 789-6558 Glyph Technologies (800) 335-0345 Memory: Simple Technologies (800) 367-7330 Custom Services (818) 881-6185 Monitors: Direction Sound and Vision (Atari Dealer) (310) 276-2063 San Jose Computers (rebuilt Atari Monitors) (408) 995-5080 SoundLogic (Atari Dealer) See Above Monitor Cables: Redmond Cable Washington (206) 882-2009 Nashville (615) 478-5760 Switchers: Redmond Cable (Video and SCSI) See above P.C.T. (5 way active SCSI switchers) See above Removable Media Sources: Quest (800) 359-2535 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 12:48:47 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:48:38 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <212>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:40:43 -0500 Received: from gw1.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <209>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:39:37 -0500 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA00316; Wed, 8 Feb 95 12:38:35 EST From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from dspsun by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA01253; Wed, 8 Feb 95 12:38:28 EST Received: by dspsun (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA25262; Wed, 8 Feb 95 12:38:26 EST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:38:26 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9502081738.AA25262@dspsun> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup control over cut-off frequency and reconance Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 04:30:03 -0500 > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > From: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup@ig2.att.att.com > Subject: sgroup control over cut-off frequency and reconance > Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > > Is there any way to assign cut-off frequency and reconance to real time > events such as > aftertouch or key velocity on a S-550? I have been trying this for some > time but no luck. > > job. I'm fairly certain that things like envelope and LFO can be used to modulate cut-off frequency. I don't think that resonance can be modulated. I'll check my manual tonight (time permitted and memory retained) and I'll report back tomorrow (or very soon). Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 13:07:54 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-2>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 13:07:46 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <213>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:58:11 -0500 Received: from gw1.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <209>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:57:22 -0500 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA09850; Wed, 8 Feb 95 12:56:31 EST From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from dspsun by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA01524; Wed, 8 Feb 95 12:56:23 EST Received: by dspsun (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA25372; Wed, 8 Feb 95 12:56:21 EST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:56:21 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9502081756.AA25372@dspsun> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup mailing list administrative change Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi John, > Subscription related requests should be sent to > majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Does this mean that I should throw away the old administrative address? sgroup-request@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 17:30:55 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 17:30:44 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <214>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 17:22:57 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([132.239.254.201]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 17:22:08 -0500 Received: from [137.110.36.137] by ucsd.edu; id OAA26162 sendmail 8.6.9/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:21:53 -0800 for Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 17:21:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199502082221.OAA26162@ucsd.edu> X-Sender: dscarey@sdcc13.ucsd.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: dscarey@ucsd.edu (Apollo) Subject: sgroup Where are the S50 Archives? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello...does anyone know where the s50 archive is. I found the s550 one, but the index lists a bunch of samples for the s50...where is this archive? Thanks in advance.... Steve From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 19:35:48 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:35:45 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <215>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:25:46 -0500 Received: from WordPerfect.com ([151.155.3.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:24:56 -0500 Received: from Gateways-Message_Server by WordPerfect.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Feb 1995 09:55:41 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:54:17 -0500 From: Kyle Echols To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Cc: majordomo@lotus.waterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R I'd like to express my reasons for unsubscribing to this "Roland Samplers" group. As a music and audio professional I have wasted more time reading the flame-ridden notes about "future of S Series samplers" the last week or so than anything I've done in my life. The other thing that amazes me is all this discussion about Amiga computers and new software for them. The computer is no longer even sold. The company Commodore Computer no longer exists. People still writing software for a platform that has absolutely no chance of expanding just don't get it. Give it up...let the platform finally die!! With that... unsubscribe sgroup From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 21:18:09 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 21:18:03 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <216>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 21:10:12 -0500 Received: from news.his.com ([198.4.81.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 21:09:22 -0500 Received: from clone.UUCP (clone@localhost) by news.his.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) with UUCP id VAA18372 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 21:01:10 -0500 Received: by clone.his.com (Fred/1.9q) id AA09258; Wed, 08 Feb 1995 15:20:38 From: doug.ramsay@his.com (Doug Ramsay) Reply-To: doug.ramsay@his.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 07:35:13 -0500 Message-ID: <792285639.AA09258@clone.his.com> Subject: sgroup Bulk Dump Patch Data to S-330 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Was flipping through some old Keyboard mags and the following was taken from a letter to the Nov '90 Keyboard Mag's Reader's Tips Section (sent in by Crotti ambrogio, Parabiago, Italy): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...However, rather than buy a dedicated MIDI system-exclusive data storage system, I decided to try an experiment with my Roland S-330 sampler. The S-330 provides 14.4 seconds of sampling at 15kHz, which turned out to be long enough to capture a dump from the DW-8000. I connected the DW's tape output to the S-330's sampling input, made a test dump while setting an appropriate sampling level, started the 330's sampling function, and initialized teh DW's bulk dump sequence. Next, I initiated the DW's memory (for safety, I'd already stored its contents on data cassette), connected the 330's audio output to the DW's tape input, set the DW to receive a bulk tape dump, and played the sample. My patches reappeared in the DW's memory banks. To save my work, I gave the bulk-dump sample a name and stored it on a 330 sample disk" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hope this wasn't posted before and that it's useful data. I assume it'll work with other S-series samplers...anyone. Crotti, if you're out there, thanks. Doug From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 8 16:03:13 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:03:01 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <209>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:51:34 -0500 Received: from inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com ([16.1.0.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <209>; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:03:50 -0500 Received: from us2rmc.zko.dec.com by inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA29012; Wed, 8 Feb 95 10:37:27 -0800 Received: from dregs.enet by us2rmc.zko.dec.com (5.65/rmc-22feb94) id AA09198; Wed, 8 Feb 95 13:35:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9502081835.AA09198@us2rmc.zko.dec.com> Received: from dregs.enet; by us2rmc.enet; Wed, 8 Feb 95 13:35:54 EST Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 13:35:54 -0500 From: db 08-Feb-1995 1333 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Apparently-To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup re: Roland Support level Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R I'll start by saying that in my own experience I found Roland support to be about the same as other companies, both with respect to providing customers with help and providing owners with upgrade options. So to clarify, I don't disagree that Roland support sucks - I'm arguing that support in general sucks. >What makes the difference? Is it management? How can Ensoniq make >great equipment and have support too? Here's an example. Roland now has a forum on CompuServe and they have been VERY responsive and helpful. Ensoniq does not have any such forum although I hear there is now a bboard that you can dial into (at long distance rates). I give the companies that have opened up support forums on the online services or on the web/internet a LOT of credit. This includes Roland and Kurzweill (among the sampler makers). I give the ones that have NOT done that, at least 12 demerits. Dave Blickstein S-550 owner but looking to sell it and get a K-2000 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 9 00:43:53 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 00:43:46 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <217>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 00:36:29 -0500 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 00:35:39 -0500 Received: from david by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rcRW4-000JcoC; Thu, 9 Feb 95 00:34 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Thu, 9 Feb 95 00:29:45 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup S-50 RSB-50x archive site? Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 00:29:45 -0500 CC: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-ID: <0105009A.lu4jn1@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R In Regards to your letter <95Feb7.155746est.88172-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>: > > John Sellens > jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca > Roland sgroup mailing list maintainer & All Around Good Guy! Hi John! I finally got around to checking out my collection of RSB-50x and RSB-550x (for the S-50 and S-550) and found out I am missing some from the RSB-50x samples from the S-50 library. I FTP'ed to 'lotus' and wasn't able to find the ones I am missing. I was delighted to see the S-550 was complete but didn't find a directory for the S-50 that had everything (or even the ones I am looking for). Am I looking in the right place? Are there other archives sites that might have a complete S-50 library? Thanks in advance, David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 9 01:28:57 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 01:28:46 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <67>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 01:18:45 -0500 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <218>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 01:17:47 -0500 Received: from david by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0rcSAg-000JeQC; Thu, 9 Feb 95 01:16 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Thu, 9 Feb 95 01:16:42 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 01:16:42 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-ID: <0105009A.lu7bpd@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R In Regards to your letter : > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:54:17 -0500 > From: Kyle Echols > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > Cc: majordomo@lotus.waterloo.ca > Subject: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > > I'd like to express my reasons for unsubscribing > to this "Roland Samplers" group. As a music and > audio professional I have wasted more time reading I wasn't aware that Word Perfect, in addition to making word processing software now has a music and audio professional division. What a shame I seem to have missed your most interesting and insightful postings to the sgroup mailing list. If anyone has saved them, please forward them immediately. :-) > the flame-ridden notes about "future of S Series > samplers" the last week or so than anything I've > done in my life. You might be new around here so let me clue you in. A mailing list is only as interesting to the individual as to what they can contribute in terms of interesting postings and perhaps to spark some new ideas to solve problems. This is exactly how the Samdisk utilities concept came into being. The people who subscribe to this mailing list do so freely and those who post are not paid to do so. Telling people you don't like what they are talking about on the mailing list is about as polite as going into a room crowded with folks at a user group meeting and tapping people on the shoulder as to instruct them that you don't care for their conversations because they don't amuse you, so they should change them. If you re-read your posting, this is the message it conveys. > The other thing that amazes me > is all this discussion about Amiga computers and > new software for them. The computer is no longer > even sold. The company Commodore Computer no Which is a perfect reason for people such as those working as professionals in the audio and music industry, who don't have $10k work stations supplied by their employers so they can access the Internet on their lunch hour, to make use of cheap used computer systems that don't require a lot of horse power for MIDI/Music related applications. > longer exists. People still writing software for a > platform that has absolutely no chance of > expanding just don't get it. Give it up...let the > platform finally die!! Creating software that is shareware or public domain is a fairly self-less act. The people who do so should be given a pat on the back, especially when it will help people who would otherwise not have access to the resources because their local dealer doesn't have the complete library. Speaking of that, several times I have needed some samples from the Roland library that I missed and some kind soul on the sgroup mailing list in the past has helped me out and sent them to me and I was able to complete my project on time. I have also done the same for others and hopefully the archive site will be completed soon so everything is there. > With that... > unsubscribe sgroup > > If you want something of value from the sgroup, you need to contribute to it. There is no free lunch. Give it some thought. Best regards, David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 9 11:54:46 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:54:39 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <229>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:24:12 -0500 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <234>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:22:41 -0500 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88170-3>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:18:41 -0500 From: "John M. Sellens" To: david@roth-music.com Subject: sgroup Re: S-50 RSB-50x archive site? Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <95Feb9.111841est.88170-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:18:38 -0500 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R | From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) | To: jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca | Subject: S-50 RSB-50x archive site? | CC: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca | | > John Sellens | > jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca | > Roland sgroup mailing list maintainer | & All Around Good Guy! Gee - thanks! | Hi John! I finally got around to checking out my collection of RSB-50x | and RSB-550x (for the S-50 and S-550) and found out I am missing some | from the RSB-50x samples from the S-50 library. | | I FTP'ed to 'lotus' and wasn't able to find the ones I am missing. | I was delighted to see the S-550 was complete but didn't find a directory | for the S-50 that had everything (or even the ones I am looking for). | Am I looking in the right place? Are there other archives sites that | might have a complete S-50 library? We don't have the "official" set of disks from Roland yet, but I suspect that they will arrive eventually. In the mean time, there are some of the S-50 disks in the samples/wbf directory: ORIGIN RSB-505.1 RSB-505.4 RSB-506.9 RSB-507.1 RSB-507.6 RSB-507.7 RSB-507.8 RSB-508.2 RSB-508.4 RSB-508.7 RSB50.txt s50_1_4.txt and in the samples/slab.slip.uiuc.edu/S-50/RSB-50 directory: RSB-506.7 RSB-507.5 RSB-508.3 index.memos I don't know anywhere else that has them online for free access. Compuserve may have them, but that would cost moeny to retrieve them. | Thanks in advance, You're welcome! John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 9 14:52:44 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 14:52:38 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 14:31:14 -0500 Received: from gw1.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 14:30:01 -0500 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.com id AA06382; Thu, 9 Feb 95 14:29:23 EST From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from dspsun by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA19548; Thu, 9 Feb 95 14:28:09 EST Received: by dspsun (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA00597; Thu, 9 Feb 95 14:28:07 EST Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 14:28:07 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9502091928.AA00597@dspsun> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:54:17 -0500 > From: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup@ig2.att.att.com > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > Cc: majordomo@lotus.waterloo.ca > Subject: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > > I'd like to express my reasons for unsubscribing > to this "Roland Samplers" group. As a music and > audio professional I have wasted more time reading > the flame-ridden notes about "future of S Series > samplers" the last week or so than anything I've > done in my life. The other thing that amazes me > is all this discussion about Amiga computers and > new software for them. The computer is no longer > even sold. The company Commodore Computer no > longer exists. People still writing software for a > platform that has absolutely no chance of > expanding just don't get it. Give it up...let the > platform finally die!! > With that... > unsubscribe sgroup Whoever wrote that, I was going to blast some scathing remarks in your general direction. Luckily for me, David Roth responded before I did. And a good thing, too, as I thought his post was very constructive in content - and I get to keep my reputation as a generally even tempered guy. ( Or is that equal temperament? ;-) ) Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Feb 10 14:24:26 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:24:17 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <111>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:15:14 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 09:03:24 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com ([152.163.172.66]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 09:02:34 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA26248; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 09:03:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 09:03:59 -0500 From: MatteBlack@aol.com Message-Id: <950210090357_17930567@aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Patchman Music Roland Support Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R <> With all this talk of support drying up, I should remind everyone that there ARE third party companies out there still fully supporting Roland samplers. Patchman Music for one has over 70 disks available for the S-550, S-330, and W-30. If interested, you can request a free catalog from: Patchman music 2043 Mars Avenue Lakewood, OH 44107 216-221-8887 or contact: MatteBlack@aol.com for it. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Feb 10 14:43:38 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:43:31 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <135>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:35:11 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:46:05 -0500 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.1.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:45:14 -0500 Received: from kong.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id LAA24662; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:31:13 -0500 Received: by kong.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA18886; Fri, 10 Feb 95 11:32:12 EST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:32:12 -0500 From: neil herzinger Reply-To: neil herzinger Subject: Re: sgroup Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca To: Sgroup In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R On Wed, 8 Feb 1995, Kyle Echols wrote: > I'd like to express my reasons for unsubscribing > to this "Roland Samplers" group. As a music and [...] > is all this discussion about Amiga computers and > new software for them. The computer is no longer > even sold. The company Commodore Computer no > longer exists. People still writing software for a > platform that has absolutely no chance of > expanding just don't get it. Give it up...let the > platform finally die!! Well, with that attitude, it doesn't sound like he had anything useful to contribute to this group anyway. Just like me :-) (And I don't even use an Amiga). And yes graying sgroupers, I'm still alive. Just no time to turn on my dusty S50 with this grad school thing and all. (cough! hack!). Bye for now. neil.herzinger...graduate...art.media.studies...computer.graphics...syracuse.u. ....................................grae.com................................... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Feb 10 14:52:50 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:52:40 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <159>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:43:16 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:27:46 -0500 Received: from gw1.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:26:56 -0500 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA09903; Fri, 10 Feb 95 10:59:43 EST From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from dspsun by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA03876; Fri, 10 Feb 95 10:53:49 EST Received: by dspsun (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA04471; Fri, 10 Feb 95 10:53:46 EST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 10:53:46 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9502101553.AA04471@dspsun> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup control over cut-off frequency and reconance Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R > > Is there any way to assign cut-off frequency and reconance to real time > > events such as > > aftertouch or key velocity on a S-550? I have been trying this for some > > time but no luck. > > > > job. > > I'm fairly certain that things like envelope and LFO can be used > to modulate cut-off frequency. I don't think that resonance can be > modulated. I'll check my manual tonight (time permitted and memory > retained) and I'll report back tomorrow (or very soon). Pages 86 through 91 of the S550 manual deal with the tone parameters for the TVF. Cutoff and resonance can be set. Key Follow, LFO, and TVF EG will modulate Cutoff. Key-Rate can alter EG shape and Velocity can modulate R1 of the EG. Sorry, resonance isn't modulatable. Can this additional modulation routing with an OS change? I think yes, but don't expect it at this late date. Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Feb 10 15:03:20 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 15:03:17 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <166>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 14:52:47 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:58:31 -0500 Received: from eis.calstate.edu ([130.150.102.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:57:42 -0500 Received: by eis.calstate.edu (4.1/KNMods2.1) id AA02874; Fri, 10 Feb 95 08:38:40 PST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:38:40 -0500 From: jortega@eis.calstate.edu (Jim Ortega) Message-Id: <9502101638.AA02874@eis.calstate.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup 770's Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R has anyone noticed that some of the samples in the 770 library are missing? For instance, some guitars missing from the rock kit, and well all the disks I have downloaded have waveforms that look like: ___________________ just taking up space, where are they? jortega@eis.calstate.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Feb 10 18:45:43 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:45:35 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:36:05 -0500 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:35:29 -0500 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com ([192.100.81.130]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <78151-3>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:35:20 -0500 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id PAA10024; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 15:32:25 -0800 From: zzz@netcom.com (jt) Message-Id: <199502102332.PAA10024@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Patchman Music Roland Support To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:32:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <950210090357_17930567@aol.com> from "MatteBlack@aol.com" at Feb 10, 95 09:03:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 647 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R > With all this talk of support drying up, I should remind everyone that there > ARE third party companies out there still fully supporting Roland samplers. And here is one that is advertising that they "support" roland samplers... kind of a bit different than Roland supporting their products, unless I can call up an request that they get off their butts and give me an OS upgrade, or more sounds for the library, for FREE since I own a Roland product. In otherwords (forgetting the whole idea of no-ad internet), a company that ADVERTISES that they sell and/or make third party products is NOT the kind of support we are talking about. -jt From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Feb 10 19:01:13 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 19:01:06 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:51:24 -0500 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com ([192.100.81.130]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:50:32 -0500 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id PAA11850; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 15:48:41 -0800 From: zzz@netcom.com (jt) Message-Id: <199502102348.PAA11850@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: sgroup S-550 with SCSI, 80 meg hard drive To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:48:40 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1814 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R I posted an ad before and only got a few replies... so that tells me I was asking too much. I recently found out I'm going to need some cash quicker than I thought, so I'm going to just drop the price because I have to sell this pup. Roland S-550 great shape (only a few typical nicks on top edge from being racked - never gigged) Mouse Manual for S-550 SCSI interface card installed... working great Manual for the interface 80 meg hard drive, one of the few models that Roland says works. //c monitor that I purchased (legally) from the Ohio State University's surplus - it has "OSU CON" (OSU College of Nursing) spray painted across the top. No //c base. No big deal. ;) Monitor picture looks fine, but the case is a bit roughed up. Not bad, but not mint by any means. Hasn't been used for a while because I have to busy at work. I have already pulled it out of the rack and all I need to do is box it up. Here's the deal: I think I was asking about $800 before, intending to be talked down. I want to sell it, but I also can hang on to it if I have to. Therefore, I'd like to get $625 for the above package, sent COD, shipping included in the price, up to about $75. so if it costs me $75 to get it to you next day, you'll get it next day. If it costs much more than that, then you'll get it the following the day - but no later than second day, sent FedEx. It also comes with a stack of floppies that have samples on them. I do not know exactly what the samples are from, but they are all kinds of synths and instruments, taken from a sample library (ie - not amateur/home produced). Anyways, I'd throw that in also. If you don't like them, you still get a stack of floppies. I haven't counted them, but there are probably about 50 floppies there. Thanks, -jt zzz@netcom.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Fri Feb 10 23:41:43 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:41:35 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <162>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:29:31 -0500 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu ([129.22.8.51]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:28:38 -0500 Received: (ej345@localhost) by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.8.1+cwru/CWRU-2.1-freenet) id XAA20240; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:28:30 -0500 (from ej345) Message-Id: <199502110428.XAA20240@nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:28:30 -0500 From: ej345@Cleveland.Freenet.EDU (Stephen C. Harvey) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Microtuning on an S-760 Reply-To: ej345@Cleveland.Freenet.EDU (Stephen C. Harvey) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R I recently purchased a really good book on microtonaility, which is something I know very little about, but am interested in exploring. I would like to be able to find some way to fake different tuning tables on my S-760, and am hoping someone else has attempted this experiment before and can lend some advice. The other thing i have come up with thus far is to assign a different partial to each key and alter the fine tuning parameter of each. If I only had to do this once, it wouldn't be so bad, but it seems like I'd have to go through the whole process for each patch I wanted to play in a different tuning (i.e. I don't know of a way to tell the OS to substitute sample A for sample B for every partial in a given patch). Is any of this making sense? Is there a way I can do this, or am I just a madman? :-) -Steve From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 13 15:01:14 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88175-1>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:01:06 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 14:06:54 -0500 Received: from netop3.harvard.edu ([128.103.205.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 14:06:19 -0500 Received: by netop3.harvard.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19420; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 14:03:59 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:03:42 -0500 From: "Kokubo Ken" Subject: sgroup faq? To: "sgroup" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.1 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Is there a faq for the sgroup? I've gone throught the ftp site and caught bits of info, but still in the dark on some things. tia kenK From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 13 16:42:17 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:42:14 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <111>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:31:00 -0500 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:29:40 -0500 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88175-1>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:29:25 -0500 From: "John M. Sellens" To: kokubo_ken@nocmsmgw.harvard.edu, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup faq? Message-Id: <95Feb13.162925est.88175-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:29:25 -0500 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 13 15:01:14 1995 | From: "Kokubo Ken" | Subject: sgroup faq? | To: "sgroup" | Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca | Precedence: bulk | | Is there a faq for the sgroup? I've gone throught the ftp site and caught | bits of info, but still in the dark on some things. | | tia | kenK | | No - I don't remember anyone asking before (but I have a short memory). If anyone would like to volunteer .... John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 13 19:39:01 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88174-1>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:38:57 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77497-3>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:38:46 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:31:52 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([132.239.254.201]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:31:03 -0500 Received: from man104-1.UCSD.EDU by ucsd.edu; id QAA15224 sendmail 8.6.9/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:30:46 -0800 for Received: by man104-1.UCSD.EDU (NX5.67c/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA07249 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 13 Feb 95 16:29:56 -0800 From: prost@man104-1.UCSD.EDU (Patrick Rost) Message-Id: <9502140029.AA07249@man104-1.UCSD.EDU> Subject: sgroup MKS-100 FS To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler Group) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:29:55 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 904 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R My MKS-100 is still up for 200$...I just have not gotten that into it, plain and simple. I have the manual and 55 disks with mostly synth samples (jx-10, FM, Moog) on them that is part of the deal. I only ask that the buyer pay s/h, as I am a poor college student (another reason for its sale!) Thanks, Patrick T. Rost -- . . ._____. |\ |\ .--. | | | \ | \ / \ ______| | .-------' \ | \ ,______/ \ .------ | | \ | \ | \ / '-----' \| \| '--' Patrick T. Rost, ' ' Director of Fundraising - Equestrian Team of UCSD Director of Communications - T A S C Finger/email me: prost@man104-1.ucsd.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Feb 14 15:40:47 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:40:40 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:28:26 -0500 Received: from netop3.harvard.edu ([128.103.205.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:27:36 -0500 Received: by netop3.harvard.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10231; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:26:33 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:26:19 -0500 From: "Kokubo Ken" Subject: RE: sgroup faq? To: "sgroup" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.1 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R I wrote: >| Is there a faq for the sgroup? I've gone throught the ftp site and caught >| bits of info, but still in the dark on some things. > >john wrote: > >No - I don't remember anyone asking before (but I have a short >memory). If anyone would like to volunteer .... Most of my questions regard the SCSI interface and archiving/reading sound files (on the MAC in particular). I actually don't have an s550 yet (it should be here tommorrow - thanks jt) but have used one quite a bit a couple of years ago w/o the interface. My main ?'s being. 1. I understand that you can use up to an 80meg HD ("roland approved" working the best). And have heard that 88meg syquests might work if formatted 80meg, I assume by the sampler. 2. You can use the utilities from the ftp site to copy s-series disks on your mac. Does this mean you could create a backup folder on the MAC to store your sounds? 3.Is there any other way to use the s550 with a computer (ie. SDS/SMDI transfers, the only things I know of are Alchemy for the MAC and Samplevision? for Amiga). Or AIFF conversion software? thanks again kenK p.s. Whatever info I collect I'll compile and send to john if he wants to upload it. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 15 04:14:35 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 04:14:23 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 03:57:10 -0500 Received: from pandion.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de ([141.2.15.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 03:56:17 -0500 Received: by pandion.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA00498; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:55:59 +0100 From: mickey@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Posted-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 9:55:58 MEZ Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:55:59 +0100 Message-Id: <9502150855.AA00498@pandion.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Subject: sgroup Monitor Pain! To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 03:55:58 -0500 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello fellow S-users! I've used my S750 with my old Commodore Amiga 1081 Monitor via CVBS (Black&White) quite long, but now I wanted to use it via the TTL RGB input. I know that Roland inverts the HSYNC & VSYNC signal, so I used the sync-inverter- schematics published in the back of the Roland S750 - manual, but still, the picture isnt' stable, even not recognisable. The only thing I'm sure about is that the colors are ok. Does anybody use the Commodore 1081 ? Which cable do you use ? And another thing: Is is possible to connect a standard VGA monitor ? I don't think, because the possible hsync-rate starts at 30 Khz and Roland sends out 15khz hsync . . . ? Any ideas ? Mickey. (mickey@rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!biotech.lan.nrc.ca!caron Wed Feb 15 09:31:29 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:31:24 -0500 Received: from nrcnet0.nrc.ca ([132.246.160.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:31:01 -0500 Received: from coursmtp.nrc.ca by nrcnet0.nrc.ca with SMTP id AA26751 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:30:41 -0500 Received: by coursmtp.nrc.ca with Microsoft Mail id <2F421011@coursmtp.nrc.ca>; Wed, 15 Feb 95 09:30:41 EST From: "Caron, Antoine" To: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Monitor Pain! Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:30:00 -0500 Message-Id: <2F421011@coursmtp.nrc.ca> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: R ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ REPLY FROM: Caron, Antoine Return-Path: From: mickey@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Posted-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 9:55:58 MEZ Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:55:59 +0100 Message-Id: <9502150855.AA00498@pandion.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Subject: sgroup Monitor Pain! To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 03:55:58 -0500 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello fellow S-users! I've used my S750 with my old Commodore Amiga 1081 Monitor via CVBS (Black&White) quite long, but now I wanted to use it via the TTL RGB input. I know that Roland inverts the HSYNC & VSYNC signal, so I used the sync-inverter- schematics published in the back of the Roland S750 - manual, but still, the picture isnt' stable, even not recognisable. The only thing I'm sure about is that the colors are ok. Does anybody use the Commodore 1081 ? Which cable do you use ? And another thing: Is is possible to connect a standard VGA monitor ? I don't think, because the possible hsync-rate starts at 30 Khz and Roland sends out 15khz hsync . . . ? Any ideas ? Mickey. (mickey@rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de) ------------------------------------- There is a piece of info about hooking up an Atari color monitor to a Roland S-50 in the UTILITY or INFO section of the sgroup archives at ftp://UWaterloo.ca. It says how to make an adapter, with pinouts and step by step instructions. I have a copy somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment. Hope this helps Antoine Caron From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 15 15:53:07 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-2>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:52:56 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77158-2>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:52:47 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:30:48 -0500 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com ([192.100.81.137]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:29:43 -0500 Received: by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id MAA25721; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:28:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:28:45 -0500 From: Brian Thomas Cheek Subject: Re: sgroup Monitor Pain! To: mickey@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9502150855.AA00498@pandion.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R > I've used my S750 with my old Commodore Amiga 1081 Monitor via CVBS > (Black&White) quite long, but now I wanted to use it via the TTL RGB input. If I have been told correctly, the color output is for a CGA monitor. -Brian From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 15 18:15:47 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:15:38 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <159>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:05:37 -0500 Received: from fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com ([199.184.182.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:04:48 -0500 Received: from jimw@fullfeed.com by fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com (8.6.9/FF-1.1) id RAA21404; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 17:04:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:04:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199502152304.RAA21404@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com> X-Sender: jimw@pop.fullfeed.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: jimw@msn.fullfeed.com (Jim Wohlgemuth) Subject: sgroup 760? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi I'm new to this list... Is there much traffic on the 760 here? I'll be getting mine in a few days. Have had the S550 for a few years with CGA monitor and quite happy with it (I'm keeping it!) I've been using my 20+ vingtage synth collection to create custom samples for the 550 and could use the extra fidelity and stereo on the new unit. Anyone have any comments on the 760?... things I should try etc... much appreciated Jim Wohlgemuth Madison, WI From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 15 18:32:05 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:31:58 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <162>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:23:12 -0500 Received: from fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com ([199.184.182.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:22:02 -0500 Received: from jimw@fullfeed.com by fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com (8.6.9/FF-1.1) id RAA21918; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 17:17:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:17:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199502152317.RAA21918@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com> X-Sender: jimw@pop.fullfeed.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mickey@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de From: jimw@msn.fullfeed.com (Jim Wohlgemuth) Subject: Re: sgroup Monitor Pain! Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R >Hello fellow S-users! > >I've used my S750 with my old Commodore Amiga 1081 Monitor via CVBS >(Black&White) quite long, but now I wanted to use it via the TTL RGB input. > >I know that Roland inverts the HSYNC & VSYNC signal, so I used the sync-inverter- >schematics published in the back of the Roland S750 - manual, but still, the >picture isnt' stable, even not recognisable. The only thing I'm sure about >is that the colors are ok. I'll be getting the S-760 soon and I'll try the Amdek CGA monitor that I had been using with my S-550. I had to redo the end of the cable as the plug was different for the sampler. (9 pin din?) It works great tho and is the primary reason I stuck with Roland for my new unit. Just checked ... and there is a switch on the back of the Amdek for different CGA configs.... one is IBM, but it gets squiggly lines (rolling) on that position... It works on the "DVM80E/Apple III" position which seems to imply CGS'a come in different flavors/pinouts for different platforms.... seems like the Apple platform or something conforming to DVM80E is the type of monitor that works. Happy hunting! From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 16 01:39:32 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:39:19 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77158-3>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:39:11 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <166>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:28:45 -0500 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:27:56 -0500 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (8.6.9/941220-22:07) id CAA17561; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 02:27:39 -0400 Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (8.6.9/950215-16:05) id CAA07871; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 02:27:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:27:37 -0500 From: scott dhomas trenn X-Sender: dhomas@jupiter To: mickey@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Monitor Pain! In-Reply-To: <9502150855.AA00498@pandion.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO On Wed, 15 Feb 1995 mickey@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de wrote: > I've used my S750 with my old Commodore Amiga 1081 Monitor via CVBS > (Black&White) quite long, but now I wanted to use it via the TTL RGB input. > > I know that Roland inverts the HSYNC & VSYNC signal, so I used the sync-inverter- > schematics published in the back of the Roland S750 - manual, but still, the > picture isnt' stable, even not recognisable. The only thing I'm sure about > is that the colors are ok. > > Does anybody use the Commodore 1081 ? Which cable do you use ? To use my S550 with a Commodore 1084 monitor... I borrowed a Roland RGB cable for the S550, and tried to build one from looking at it. It didn't work right... had problems with it. I ended up buying the Roland cable. dhomas. ************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: dhomas@unb.ca * ** ** ************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 16 05:34:59 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 05:34:57 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <170>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 05:12:40 -0500 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 05:11:48 -0500 Received: from argonaut.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa07262; 16 Feb 95 10:08 GMT Received: from dellboy.argonaut.com by argonaut.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rf2z9-0000WtC; Thu, 16 Feb 95 09:58 GMT Received: from DELLBOY/MAILQUEUE by dellboy.argonaut.com (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 16 Feb 95 9:54:16 +0 Received: from MAILQUEUE by DELLBOY (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 16 Feb 95 9:53:56 +0 From: Tangerine To The Hilt Organization: Argonaut Ltd. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 04:53:53 -0500 Subject: sgroup Monitors & Roland Samplers Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <2F715C1B6D@dellboy.argonaut.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I use my S750 with a Commodore 1081 style monitor. You really have to use the Euroconnector/SCART if you want it to work....I think. I have bought 2 cables (home & work), for this purpose, from SYCO in London, and they connect to the SCART, NOT the small DIN type plug on the monitor. SYCO's number is 0171-625-6070. justin@argonaut.com ........ :london: :..uk..: From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 16 05:35:19 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 05:35:12 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77498-2>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 05:34:51 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <170>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 05:12:40 -0500 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 05:11:48 -0500 Received: from argonaut.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa07262; 16 Feb 95 10:08 GMT Received: from dellboy.argonaut.com by argonaut.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rf2z9-0000WtC; Thu, 16 Feb 95 09:58 GMT Received: from DELLBOY/MAILQUEUE by dellboy.argonaut.com (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 16 Feb 95 9:54:16 +0 Received: from MAILQUEUE by DELLBOY (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 16 Feb 95 9:53:56 +0 From: Tangerine To The Hilt Organization: Argonaut Ltd. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 04:53:53 -0500 Subject: sgroup Monitors & Roland Samplers Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <2F715C1B6D@dellboy.argonaut.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I use my S750 with a Commodore 1081 style monitor. You really have to use the Euroconnector/SCART if you want it to work....I think. I have bought 2 cables (home & work), for this purpose, from SYCO in London, and they connect to the SCART, NOT the small DIN type plug on the monitor. SYCO's number is 0171-625-6070. justin@argonaut.com ........ :london: :..uk..: From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 16 11:09:30 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 11:09:25 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <180>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:52:36 -0500 Received: from nrcnet0.nrc.ca ([132.246.160.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:52:01 -0500 Received: from coursmtp.nrc.ca by nrcnet0.nrc.ca with SMTP id AA02619 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:51:45 -0500 Received: by coursmtp.nrc.ca with Microsoft Mail id <2F437490@coursmtp.nrc.ca>; Thu, 16 Feb 95 10:51:44 EST From: "Caron, Antoine" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:50:00 -0500 Message-Id: <2F437490@coursmtp.nrc.ca> Encoding: 5 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I know this is a little off focus, but I just acquired an old Korg DSS-1 to complement my pair of (old!) Roland samplers. I'm looking for sounds for that venerable thing. Anybody also owns one? Thanks Antoine From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 16 19:18:39 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:18:34 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <111>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:02:53 -0500 Received: from mail.fwi.uva.nl ([146.50.4.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:01:47 -0500 Received: from gene.fwi.uva.nl by mail.fwi.uva.nl with SMTP (5.65c/5.1) id AA21140; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 01:01:40 +0100 Received: by gene.fwi.uva.nl id AA17851; Fri Feb 17 01:01:38 1995 Message-Id: <199502170001.AA17851@gene.fwi.uva.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:01:38 -0500 From: ovrielin@fwi.uva.nl (Merijn Oude Vrielink (AI94)) X-Organisation: Faculty of Mathematics & Computer Science University of Amsterdam Plantage Muidergracht 24 NL-1018 TV Amsterdam The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 20 525 5200 X-Telex: 16460 facwn nl X-Fax: +31 20 525 5101 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup looking for FILEMASTER FD!!!! Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Is there anyone outhere on the list who knows where to get the program 'Filemaster FD' ? It's a mean program, it alows you to load samples from any sampler and save to a W30 disk. I need this program!!! Thanx in advance, Merijn Oude Vrielink. E-mail:ovrielin@gene.fwi.uva.nl Address: Willem de Zwijgerlaan 365-3 1055 RC Amsterdam The Netherlands. From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Thu Feb 16 19:30:40 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:30:37 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77995-3>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:30:28 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <182>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:19:29 -0500 Received: from mail.fwi.uva.nl ([146.50.4.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:18:37 -0500 Received: from gene.fwi.uva.nl by mail.fwi.uva.nl with SMTP (5.65c/5.1) id AA21190; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 01:08:11 +0100 Received: by gene.fwi.uva.nl id AA17862; Fri Feb 17 01:08:10 1995 Message-Id: <199502170008.AA17862@gene.fwi.uva.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:08:10 -0500 From: ovrielin@fwi.uva.nl (Merijn Oude Vrielink (AI94)) X-Organisation: Faculty of Mathematics & Computer Science University of Amsterdam Plantage Muidergracht 24 NL-1018 TV Amsterdam The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 20 525 5200 X-Telex: 16460 facwn nl X-Fax: +31 20 525 5101 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup W30 disk-structure Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Does anyone have detailed information on how the W30 stores it's tone data on disk? I'm especially interested in the exact location of each tone parameter. I need this info for my W30 tool I am about to write and which I will put on the Sgroup FTP-site as soon as I've finished it. But in order to even start programming I need the information. Help me PLEEEEZ! Thanx in advance again, Merijn Oude Vrielink E-mail : ovrielin@gene.fwi.uva.nl Address: willem de zwijgerlaan 365-3 1055 RC Amsterdam The Netherlands From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun Feb 19 18:39:04 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:38:53 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:27:55 -0500 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu ([132.239.50.13]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:26:28 -0500 Received: by sdcc13.ucsd.edu (8.6.8.1/1.37.bk) id PAA05865; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 15:26:11 -0800 From: dscarey@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Apollo ) Message-Id: <199502192326.PAA05865@sdcc13.ucsd.edu> Subject: sgroup Superdrive and Util1.5 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:26:10 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1243 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello all, Two questions: 1) I have a Quadra 660AV, and I can't get it to read Roland disks while using the GREAT smac program. No problem on a Powermac or IIfx, but on mine, no luck...any suggestions? 2) Has anyone found the Util_1.5 file to be corrupted (the one in the sgroup archive?) I downloaded it twice, and it didn't work both times. Maybe someone could repost it (I've only got 1.1, and it won't let me load W-30 disks). Cheers, ____ ____ /\ \/\ \ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ \ \ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ \ \ \\\\\\\\\\\ \\\/\______ \\\/\ ___ \\/\ ___ \ \ \ \ \\/\ ___ \ \\\/______\ \\ \ \ /\ \ \ \ /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ /\ \ \\/\ _____ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \\ \ \___/\ \\ \ \__\ \ \ \__\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \__\ \ \\ \___________\ \ ______\ \_______\ \___\ \___\ \_______\ \\/___________/\ \ \____/\ /_______/\_/___/\/___/\ /_______/ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\_/__/\\\\\\\\\\\\dscarey@sdcc13.ucsd.edu\\\\\\ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 20 08:01:07 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 08:00:57 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <111>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 07:44:28 -0500 Received: from sun2.mhs-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.35]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 07:43:51 -0500 Via: uk.ac.lon.wye; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:43:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 07:43:36 -0500 Via: microlab1.wye.lon.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 95 12:43:36 GMT Received: from MICROLAB1/SMTPMAIL by microlab1.wye.lon.ac.uk (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 20 Feb 95 12:45:38 GMT Received: from SMTPMAIL by MICROLAB1 (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 20 Feb 95 12:45:19 GMT Received: from [192.195.116.207] by microlab1.wye.lon.ac.uk (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 20 Feb 95 12:45:18 GMT X-Sender: pbb_mb@192.195.116.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: pbb_mb@wye.lon.ac.uk (Mark A Bennett) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi..one quick question! | How do I get S770 samples out of my mac and into | my S760?!....I can transfer them OK from the Sgroup ftp site de.bin them and end up with a file xxx_x_.OUT but SMAC doesn't read 16bit format files so I cannot tranfer the file onto a preformated Roland Disk..a la SAM_2_Roland....can anyone help?. | mark. | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 20 09:08:00 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 09:07:55 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 08:56:37 -0500 Received: from bwh.harvard.edu ([134.174.81.34]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 08:55:46 -0500 Received: from jpnepi1.BWH.Harvard.EDU (jpnepi1.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.93.2]) by bwh.harvard.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA25595 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 08:55:19 -0500 X-Organization: Brigham & Womens Hospital, A Teaching Affiliate of Harvard Medical School Received: by jpnepi1.BWH.Harvard.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16058; Mon, 20 Feb 95 08:56:27 EST Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 08:56:27 -0500 From: Charles Anderson Subject: sgroup S-550 SCSI and CDROMs To: sgroup Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R I am selling an S-550 scsi interface (hard to find now) and 3 CDROMs, which include the complete Roland S-50 and S-550 libraries, Club 50 and Universe of sounds. All you need is the CD player and you have got an amazing library for your sampler. Also the samples load alot quicker than from disk and options exist for adding a hard drive. This is an amazing steal at $225 + shipping. I no longer have an S-550 and although I thought I might buy another it made more since to expand my library for my K2000RS. My loss can be your gain as this is an amazing library and hard to find piece of hardware! You can call me at 617-734-5292 or Email me at anderson@jpnepi1.bwh.harvard.edu I think my price is extremely fair but feel free to make me an offer. I would however like to sell this as a set, although I do have someone who has expressed interest in the interface if someone else is interested in the CDROMs. Charles From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Feb 21 12:19:08 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 12:19:00 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:52:29 -0500 Received: from xmission.xmission.com ([198.60.22.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:51:39 -0500 Received: from alchemy.xmission.com (slc43.xmission.com [198.60.22.143]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA17514 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:51:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199502211651.JAA17514@xmission.xmission.com> From: "Anthony Chavez" To: SGROUP@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:51:23 -0500 Subject: sgroup WTB! PLEASE READ! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello, fellow S-Groupers! I am still in the process of finding a couple of 80 megabyte hard disks and a CD-ROM drive for my W-30, which I love so dearly! Please! If you know where I can get any of the following models, email me! I need these soon! Hard disks: Apple Computer, Inc. model M-2688 CMS Entercements, Inc. model SD-80 CD-ROM drives: Roland model CD-5 These are all SCSI units and I'm going to need a 19" rack mount case for the drives along with cables. Cables are as follows: The Apple drives have a 50-pin SCSI connector, CMS drives have a 25-pin SCSI connector, and the W-30 has a 25-pin SCSI connector. I'll need cables accordingly. PLEASE HELP! I would appreciate it greatly! =] -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Chavez o \o/ _ o o o-o +===+ o +===+ alchemy@xmission.com /|\ | /\ __\o o_| \ / | | /|\ | | Salt Lake City, Utah / \ / \ | \ /) | \\o \| |~~~| Co-"=|~~~| Salt Lake Community College o-o o-o o-o o-o \ o\ |___| / \ |___| From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Feb 21 19:10:35 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:10:31 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:01:17 -0500 Received: from netcom.netcom.com ([192.100.81.100]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:00:25 -0500 Received: from localhost by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id PAA28443; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:59:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199502212359.PAA28443@netcom.netcom.com> To: Charles Anderson cc: sgroup , pdel@netcom.com Subject: Re: sgroup S-550 SCSI and CDROMs In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Feb 95 08:56:27 EST." Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:59:54 -0500 From: Peter Delevoryas Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Wow that is an amazing deal. Unfortunately I already have the interface. Are you thinking of parting items out? What is on the Club50 and Universe CD's? thanks From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Wed Feb 22 08:01:13 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:01:10 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:48:58 -0500 Received: from ub4b.eunet.be ([192.92.130.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:48:05 -0500 Received: from nit.be (nit.eunet.be) by ub4b.eunet.be (5.65c/ub4b_06) id AA18492; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:49:24 +0100 Received: by nit.be (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25610; Wed, 22 Feb 95 13:34:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:34:17 -0500 From: mr@nit.be (Marc Resibois) Message-Id: <9502221234.AA25610@nit.be> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup (fwd) >>> W-30 Hacker Mode <<< Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Does Any one knows more about this ????? -+-> Marc. <100126,1007> ----- Begin Included Message ----- ... Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth ... How to enter the Roland W-30 Hacker Mode. -Press user twice to enter the the "user setting mode". -While pressing tempo, press twice quickly. 1) New choices in "sequencer" menu. 2) "Jump to screen" window. 3) New items in "FD Format" window. 4) New information in the "micro edit" window. It seems like this could be used by technicians to trouble-shoot the W-30. There are things like RAM test, and keypad test. There are also some very strange commands. Make sure to back up your system disk, it can even do strange things to it. Let me know if any of you guys out there find out what this crap is. ... ----- End Included Message ----- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 27 07:48:37 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:48:29 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:39:12 -0500 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 07:38:36 -0500 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA22829; Mon, 27 Feb 95 04:38:27 -0800 Received: from xsft1.ICO.Olivetti.Com by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22813; Mon, 27 Feb 95 04:37:40 PST Received: by xsft1.ICO.Olivetti.Com (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA17951; Mon, 27 Feb 95 13:37:50 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:37:50 -0500 From: grillo@xsft1.ICO.Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) Message-Id: <9502271237.AA17951@xsft1.ICO.Olivetti.Com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Akay library compatibility Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi there, Anyone knows if there is any possibility to read an Akay disk ? Maybe through a PC/MAC utility ? I heard of an utility running on PC or MAc thta is able to read/write Akay/Emu disks...... Savino From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 27 11:24:12 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:24:00 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:16:41 -0500 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com ([192.100.81.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:15:51 -0500 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA14430; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 08:15:28 -0800 From: zzz@netcom.com (jt) Message-Id: <199502271615.IAA14430@netcom2.netcom.com> Subject: sgroup S-550 is sold To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:15:27 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 272 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R The S-550 is sold. I appreciate the replies. A friend is selling an S-50 sampling keyboard. I'm not sure what all is included, but frm what he said, it is in great condition and may come in the original box. ;) Please email him at mcolony@infinet.com. Thank you, JT From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 27 13:07:04 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:07:01 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:57:02 -0500 Received: from u.cc.utah.edu ([155.99.22.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:56:12 -0500 Received: from [198.60.30.42] (cts32.cc.utah.edu [198.60.30.42]) by u.cc.utah.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09593 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:55:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:55:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199502271755.KAA09593@u.cc.utah.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Michael.Gillilan@m.cc.utah.edu (Mike Gillilan) Subject: sgroup SoundDesinger II and W-30 question Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Anyone one using an older version of SoundDesigner II with a W-30? I know that SoundDesigner II will send to a S-330 and S-550, but could I use the those modules to send to my W-30? Thanks, -Mike From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 27 13:58:29 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:58:22 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77770-3>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:58:15 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:49:01 -0500 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:48:25 -0500 Received: from argonaut.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa07926; 27 Feb 95 17:59 GMT Received: from bagpuss.argonaut.com by argonaut.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rj98Z-0003hZC; Mon, 27 Feb 95 17:21 GMT Received: from BAGPUSS/MAILQ by bagpuss.argonaut.com (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 27 Feb 95 17:11:46 +0 Received: from MAILQ by BAGPUSS (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 27 Feb 95 17:11:19 +0 From: Tangerine To The Hilt Organization: Argonaut Software Ltd To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:11:15 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup S-7xx Sampler Info X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Tangerine To The Hilt" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <11CCCD6781@bagpuss.argonaut.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R * * From: Doug Ramsay * * Date sent: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 04:37:39 -0500 * * Subject: sgroup S-7xx Sampler Info * * To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca * * * * The following is some useful information for S-7xx sampler owners (now if we * * can only get something as comprehensive for S-550 owners). Downloaded from The * * Washington MIDI Users Group. * * * * ====================================================================== * * CURRENT OPERATING SYSTEMS* * * * * S-760 2.13 Our S760 came with v2.14. Is this the most up to date ? I've also just found out that it doesn't 'RESAMPLE' itself like our S750 does. Does anyone know if (a) there is a way to get round it (b) Roland are going to put it in the next version of the OS (c) its impossible due to hardware design ? I know I could digitally go to DAT, but I need to resample onto the S760 for speed. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun Feb 26 20:05:58 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:05:49 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <111>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 19:51:46 -0500 Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.64.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 19:51:11 -0500 Received: from mama.research.canon.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA08916 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:50:37 +1100 Received: from john.research.canon.oz.au by mama.research.canon.oz.au with SMTP id AA17737 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:50:03 +1100 Received: by john.research.canon.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11464; Mon, 27 Feb 95 11:50:02 EST Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:50:02 -0500 From: david@research.canon.oz.au (David White) Message-Id: <9502270050.AA11464@john.research.canon.oz.au> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Sample swapping Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi fellow sgroupers. I'd like to encourage everyone to make their sample libraries available to other sgroupers. I am currently putting my library into some sort of logical order and will make it available soon. As you are all aware there was a lot of noise a little while ago about Roland and upgrades etc etc. One thing that can make these samplers more useful is to keep extending the sample library. Surely one of the main reasons that the sgroup exists is to allow us to swap sounds. I have about 20 disks worth of original samples plus I am gradually (and painstakingly) sampling the Analog Collection CD that was recently put together by fellow netters (I will check to see if I can make these samples available too). So come on, I'm sure there are some people out there with some interesting samples. BTW. I'm interested in buying a CD-5 for my W-30. Let me know if you'd like to sell one. David. David White CAE Systems Administrator | david@research.canon.oz.au Canon Information Systems Research Australia Pty Ltd | Phone +61-2-805-2916 PO Box 313, 1 Thomas Holt Drive, | Fax +61-2-805-2929 NORTH RYDE, NSW, 2113, AUSTRALIA | Mobile +61-15-225-828 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Sun Feb 26 20:46:20 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:46:10 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:35:40 -0500 Received: from bwh.harvard.edu ([134.174.81.34]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:34:51 -0500 Received: from jpnepi1.BWH.Harvard.EDU (jpnepi1.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.93.2]) by bwh.harvard.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA26606 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:34:20 -0500 X-Organization: Brigham & Womens Hospital, A Teaching Affiliate of Harvard Medical School Received: by jpnepi1.BWH.Harvard.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28425; Sun, 26 Feb 95 20:35:59 EST Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:35:59 -0500 From: Charles Anderson Subject: sgroup S-550 SCSI and ROMS To: sgroup Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I still have these items for sale. Although I really want to sell them as a unit I have gotten some interest in the ROMs but not much about the SCSI. Here is the deal I was hoping to sell the entire package SCSI interface and 3 CDs (Roland complete library s50 and s550, Club 50 and Universe of Sounds) for $250 however I would also be willing to sell the ROMs for $175 and the interface for $100. The hitch is that I need to sell both and will sell them separately only if I have offers for them individually. Otherwise it is a great library and as the price of S-550s are dropping I will just get another one and use the library. If interested you can contact me by email: anderson@jpnepi1.bwh.harvard.edu or by phone at 617-734-5292 Charles From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 27 17:26:51 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:26:40 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77698-2>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:26:36 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <159>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:19:01 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([132.239.254.201]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:33:56 -0500 Received: from man104-1.UCSD.EDU by ucsd.edu; id NAA29507 sendmail 8.6.10/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:33:47 -0800 for Received: from man104-2.ucsd.edu by man104-1.UCSD.EDU (NX5.67e/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA29145 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 27 Feb 95 13:33:35 -0800 Message-Id: <9502272133.AA29145@man104-1.UCSD.EDU> Received: by man104-2.ucsd.edu.UCSD.EDU (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0a) id AA12786; Mon, 27 Feb 95 13:33:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:33:34 -0500 From: jdawes@man104-1.UCSD.EDU To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup MAC .CPT format Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi ya'all, I use an IBM PC but I need access to some data files that I downloaded from a Mac ftp site. It has the .cpt.hqx extension on it. If I remember correctly, .hqx is for bin-hex encoding? What is .cpt for? I am only aware of SIT as Mac compression program. Can any of you Mac Masters help me out? Thanks, John Dawes. PS: I have a program that un-binhexes files on a DOS platform. Know of any other file utilities that I may need in the future? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 27 21:18:36 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:18:33 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <162>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:10:01 -0500 Received: from isgate.is ([130.208.165.63]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:09:11 -0500 Received: from rvik.ismennt.is by isgate.is (8.6.10/ISnet/14-10-91); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 02:08:50 GMT Received: by rvik.ismennt.is (8.6.9/ISnet/11-02-92); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 02:08:42 GMT From: rhf@ismennt.is (Rikhardur H Fridriksson) Message-Id: <199502280208.CAA00338@rvik.ismennt.is> Subject: Re: sgroup MAC .CPT format To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:08:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: <9502272133.AA29145@man104-1.UCSD.EDU> from "jdawes@man104-1.UCSD.EDU" at Feb 27, 95 04:33:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 833 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R John Dawes wrote: > I use an IBM PC but I need access to some data files that I downloaded > from a Mac ftp site. It has the .cpt.hqx extension on it. If I > remember correctly, .hqx is for bin-hex encoding? What is .cpt for? I > am only aware of SIT as Mac compression program. Can any of you Mac > Masters help me out? .cpt is a suffix for Compact Pro files. Stuffit (which makes the .sit files can also uncompress .cpt files. > PS: I have a program that un-binhexes files on a DOS platform. Know of > any other file utilities that I may need in the future? Can't help the DOS-ers, but the single most valuable utlity for a Mac would be Stuffit Expander, which can convert bin-hex, as well as expanding some of the most popular compression formats, such as .sit .cpt .Z and .gz Rikhardur H. Fridriksson From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Mon Feb 27 21:42:16 1995 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:42:11 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77497-2>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:42:03 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <170>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:33:39 -0500 Received: from news.his.com ([198.4.81.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:32:46 -0500 Received: from clone.UUCP (clone@localhost) by news.his.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) with UUCP id VAA15664 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:27:15 -0500 Received: by clone.his.com (Fred/1.9q) id AA01626; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:14:52 From: doug.ramsay@his.com (Doug Ramsay) Reply-To: doug.ramsay@his.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <793948494.AA01626@clone.his.com> Subject: sgroup Giebler Disk Mgr To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Here's a crosspost from Music Newsic. Anybody know about this with Roland samplers? Peace... Doug **** HERE'S SOME INTERESTING NEWS.... 3D SOUNDS - BOX 22065, 50 WESTMOUNT RD. N., WATERLOO, ONTARIO, CANADA, N2L 6J7 has a new IBM-PC format CD-ROM that is useful to almost any MIDI and computer musician Here is the scoop... The CD contains a version of Giebler Enterprises' Disk Manager - What this does is allow you to transfer files from the CD-ROM (in IBM format) to floppy disks that are readable by a particular sampler. The program will format and write the disk image file in one pass. It is a failsafe process and works on any PC 286 or higher with a CD-ROM and 3.5" floppy drive. There are over 150 megs of EPS/EPS-16+/ASR-10/TS-10/K-2000 compatable sample files. Mostly drums, basses, synths, loops and effects. (lots of analog for dance, industrial etc.). That's about 200 floppies worth!!! There are over 125 megs of Yamaha TX-16W compatable sample files. Similar library to the EPS (above). That's about 175 floppies worth!!! It also contains the definitive Mirage library of lots of digitally transfered samples from other samplers direct to the Mirage. Lots of drums and synths. There are about 100 megs here and that translates to over 200 Mirage disks!!! There are also tons of VFX-SD patches in the Giebler format ready to be written to floppy and read by the VFX-SD. O.K. Now for the PC music creators. A utility is included to convert any of the EPS disk files into .WAV files. There is also a Windows .WAV editor. There are about 100 megs of .WAV files that kick butt. Most of these are synth and drum oriented. So if you have say the Turtle Beach Maui sound card (I hear that they have an even better one now) or a sound card that is similar - where you can set up your own Wavetable samples (like the Ultrasound series), you can use these .WAV files to create professional MIDI instruments. The samples are all CD quality and some are in stereo (killer stereo drums with effects). For synthesizer owners...the CD has thousands of patches in IBM format ( download over MIDI to your synth). For DX-7, DX-100/FB-01 etc., M-1, VFX, K- 5, I-4, K-3, K-1, JD-800, Wavestation, SY-22/TG-33, SY-77, Microwave and many more. There are also many IBM-PC MIDI and sound utilities. WOW!!! THAT'S A MOUTHFUL. I think this CD-ROM has just about everything I've wanted for a long time in one package. 3D SOUNDS IS ASKING $200 U.S. PER CD-ROM SHIPPED AND ARE TAKING ORDERS NOW. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!owner-sgroup Tue Feb 28 17:18:39 1995 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:18:32 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <166>; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:05:46 -0500 Received: from xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm ([196.2.0.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:05:11 -0500 Received: from minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm by xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm (5.64/10.0) id AA28921; Tue, 28 Feb 95 16:56:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 16:56:36 -0500 From: patterso@uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: <9502282156.AA28921@xaymaca.uwimona.edu.jm> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup RGB monitor for S-760 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO I need to purchase hopefully a used RGB monitor for use with my S-760. Ideally I am looking for a 13'' screen. Does anyone know of any mail order stores in the US, which might have these used RGB monitors for sale. How much should I expect to pay for this. Failing this, does any one know of a mail order store that has reasonable priced new RGB monitors? Sincerely, richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm