From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 1 12:23:33 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:23:28 -0400 Received: from gwa.ericsson.com ([138.85.146.253]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:17:28 -0400 Received: from mr2.exu.ericsson.se (mr2.exu.ericsson.com [138.85.147.2]) by gwa.ericsson.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with ESMTP id LAA06889 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:17:16 -0500 Received: from munin.ebu.ericsson.se (munin.ebu.ericsson.se [138.85.150.3]) by mr2.exu.ericsson.se (8.6.8/NAHUB-MR1.1) with ESMTP id LAA08347 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:17:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (ebumfr@localhost) by munin.ebu.ericsson.se (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA22470 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 09:17:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:17:15 -0400 From: Mike Rembis 66520 Message-Id: <199408011617.JAA22470@munin.ebu.ericsson.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: AMS Info? Status: RO | | >Please educate me. I've never hear of AMS or I just don't recognize the | >name. SCSI ports for the S-550 for $50? Do tell!! | > | >Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com | | AMS is American Music Supply, a mail order house for music gear. They | send out a color catalog quarterly (?) which contains some very | competitive pricing. They can be a good source for discontinued items | since they buy in large quantities. Their number is 800-458-4076. | | Yes they advertised S550 SCSI upgrades for $50 (US) in their latest issue | which I received about a month ago. This item was discounted from $250 | (?). When I called the *very* next day, they were sold out - hence my | initial comment which asked if they really had more than one. I was, | however, able to get my hands on their limited quantity of S550 library | diskettes (the first 20) for $13.95. | | Tom | tompelli@xstor.com | | Sounds like a modified bait-n-switch to me .... From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 1 12:58:45 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:58:34 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77553-3>; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:58:26 -0400 Received: from xstor.com ([192.187.246.129]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:48:47 -0400 Received: from stdim.xstor.com by xstor.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19581; Mon, 1 Aug 94 09:41:14 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by stdim.xstor.com (1.20/SMTPLink) id A30549; Mon, 01 Aug 94 09:51:28 PST Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:51:28 -0400 From: Tom Pellicer Message-Id: <9408010951.A30549@stdim.xstor.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re[2]: AMS Info? Status: RO || AMS is American Music Supply... || || Yes they advertised S550 SCSI upgrades for $50 (US) in their latest || issue which I received about a month ago. This item was discounted || from $250 (?). When I called the *very* next day, they were sold out || - hence my initial comment which asked if they really had more than || one. I was, however, able to get my hands on their limited || quantity of S550 library diskettes (the first 20) for $13.95. || || Tom tompelli@xstor.com | Sounds like a modified bait-n-switch to me .... I was pretty miffed, but after I posted this message, the wonderful Stan Sawyer (who I've been meaning to thank personally) emailed me and said he just checked with AMS and they discovered two more units in an unmarked box. I called AMS and they sent me one for the pre-advertised price of $50, true to their word. Stan got the other one. I'm still in need of one more SCSI upgrade kit for the 550. If anyone can tell me where to get one, please let me know. Tom tompelli@xstor.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 2 20:29:25 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:29:19 -0400 Received: from eos.arc.nasa.gov ([128.102.21.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:19:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (shrum@localhost) by eos.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA09876 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:19:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:19:13 -0400 From: Rick Shrum Message-Id: <199408030019.RAA09876@eos.arc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO > > >I have recently purchased a Roland S-760 sampler with the optional >video and digital recording expansion board. I *like* the sampler, >and it has a lot of cool features, but I am having a problem doing MIDI >sample dumps. I can transfer data fine via SCSI, but whenever I try to >do it via MIDI it doesn't go thru. I have a Mac FX running Sound Designer >2 software. Under the "sampler" menu, the S-760 isn't offered, being a >new device and all, so I choose "16 bit sample dump" as my "type". I go >to the "Sampler > MIDI" menu, start the transfer, but the Mac comes back >with a "Communication Error" message. I called up both Roland and Sound >Designer for advice, but the about all they said was to try getting >"Alchemy" software - it might correct the problem. I resent having to >spend another $400.00 for a cure that "might" correct the problem. Is >there anyone out here with any ideas toward solving this dilemma? If there >was I would sure appreciate it. >Rick >PS I am aware that a SCSI dump is MUCH faster than a MIDI dump, but there >is a need for editing that requires accessing the MIDI dump. >PPS The documentation that comes with the instrument sucks big-time. RS From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 3 14:47:02 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-2>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:46:56 -0400 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com ([192.100.81.120]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:39:03 -0400 Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA01335; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:39:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:39:02 -0400 From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions Subject: Re: Can't load samples into my S-550 To: Tom Pellicer cc: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9407261039.A26192@stdim.xstor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Tue, 26 Jul 1994, Tom Pellicer wrote: > I just bought the first 20 disks in the Roland S550 library from AMS. > $13.50 sounded like a good deal, except that I can't successfully > load any of the samples into my unit. I'm using an external monitor, and > the message "insert an S550 diskette" appears in the top left status bar > almost immediately after selecting a load option. Simultaneously, version > 1.0 is displayed center screen. > What you need to do is use the convert utility. the disks from AMS are probably S-50 disks that need to be converted. I have never had any problem booting any disk because of version number. If the S-50 convert thing does not work, then try putting the AMS disk in and recycling power. This will boot from the AMS disk(using its old OS) rather than attempting to load the patches into an already booted system. If THAT works, then that is wierd. > P.S. Did anyone catch those S550 SCSI upgrades in AMS for $50? Did they > really have more than one? Could you please explain this last thing to me? Does someone have SCSI for S-550 for $50?..... =8-O If that is the case, then I want one RIGHT NOW. What software do you need to use it on an S-550? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 3 14:56:21 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:56:15 -0400 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com ([192.100.81.120]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:46:54 -0400 Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA01583; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:41:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:41:09 -0400 From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions Subject: Re: AMS Info? To: Stan Sawyer cc: "william.b.fox" , sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9407261925.AA21257@nlp4> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Tue, 26 Jul 1994, Stan Sawyer wrote: > AMS is American Musical Supply (Paramus, NJ, USA) and their phone number > is 1-800-458-4076 in the U.S. Yes. They really do have the HD5-IF for > $49.95 plus 4.95 shipping and handling. The HD5-IF.....is that Roland product? What disk drives and/or CD-ROM's will work with that? What a steal!!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 3 15:05:56 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-2>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:05:48 -0400 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com ([192.100.81.120]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:55:50 -0400 Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id LAA02085; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:46:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:46:06 -0400 From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions Subject: Re: S550 scsi option To: Keith Hall cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Thu, 28 Jul 1994, Keith Hall wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can find the S550 scsi option kit. I saw some > previous postings stating AMS had it for $50, but it also indicated that > they were sold out. What kind of price should I expect to pay (non-AMS > closeout price). I am interested in this information too! thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 5 03:27:35 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 03:27:23 -0400 Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.64.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 03:20:25 -0400 Received: from mama.research.canon.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA19288 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 17:20:02 +1000 Received: from john.research.canon.oz.au by mama.research.canon.oz.au with SMTP id AA12964 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 17:18:35 +1000 Received: by john.research.canon.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23778; Fri, 5 Aug 94 17:18:34 EST Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 18:18:34 -0400 From: david@research.canon.oz.au (David White) Message-Id: <9408050718.AA23778@john.research.canon.oz.au> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: Roland Library Status: R Hi there, I recently went to Roland Australia and got a copy of the S50 library but unfortunately some of the disks were missing out of their library (looks like the most popular ones). Roland said that this was their only copy in Australia and they didn't intend to get in another one. If possible could someone send me the following titles by email or other means? RSB-502-8 AIR DISK NO. 1 RSB-502-7 JUNGLE LIFE RSB-503-1 OOOZE AND OZ RSB-503-9 NEW DRUMS AND 808 RSB-504-10 ANARCHY TIME! RSB-505-1 METAL AND GLASS FX RSB-505-4 INDIAN PERCUSSION NO. 1 RSB-505-8 ASSORTED SNARES NO. 1 RSB-506-6 TECHNO SET RSB-506-9 PAN PIPES / SHAKOHASHI RSB-506-10 FUNK GUITAR RSB-507-1 AIR DISK NO. 2 RSB-507-6 ANALOG PERCUSSION RSB-507-8 POP PIANO NO. 1 RSB-508-2 MUTE TRUMPET RSB-508-4 KOTO NO. 1 RSB-508-7 FUNK ROCK SET NO. 1 I can accept SAMDISK format with just about any type of file compression. If this is too much to ask, I can send some floppies or I can fetch them from an ftp site. I'd appreciate any help at all. David. David White CAE Systems Administrator | david@research.canon.oz.au Canon Information Systems Research Australia Pty Ltd | Phone +61-2-805-2916 PO Box 313, 1 Thomas Holt Drive, | Fax +61-2-805-2929 NORTH RYDE, NSW, 2113, AUSTRALIA | Mobile 015-225-828 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 5 05:59:40 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 05:59:36 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 05:53:57 -0400 Received: from argonaut.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa28976; 5 Aug 94 10:30 GMT-60:00 Received: from dellboy.argonaut.com by gate.argonaut.com with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qWN0m-0008LvC; Fri, 5 Aug 94 12:00 BST Message-Id: Received: from DELLBOY/MAILQUEUE by dellboy.argonaut.com (Mercury 1.1); Fri, 5 Aug 94 10:34:49 +0 From: Ribidibidibidodadeh Organization: Argonaut Ltd. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:34:23 -0400 Subject: Downloaded Disk Problem Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Status: R I downloaded classic.Z from the W-30 directory, to my PC. Then used the Dos UNCOMPRESS.EXE to decompress it to a file size of 737280 bytes. Then used SDISK.EXE to write a W-30 disk. (1) SDISK did not recognise it as a valid file type. (2) The disk it created was however, recognisable to my S-750 as a W- 30 disk, and could read its directory structure. (3) But it gave !ERROR when trying to actually load it I am using OS 2.21 on my S-750. Where am I going wrong ? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 5 06:51:52 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:51:47 -0400 Received: from cyklop.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.71]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:46:23 -0400 Received: from klkmac008.nada.kth.se by cyklop.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA14971; Fri, 5 Aug 94 12:45:56 +0200 Message-Id: <9408051045.AA14971@cyklop.nada.kth.se> X-Sender: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:50:01 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: h+@nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) Subject: Bye bye! Status: R It's been nice knowing you. I have traded in my S-750 for a SampleCell= II, which means that I get slightly less sample munging capability (I= do have an AudioMedia II) and I get no resonant filters, AND I lose the Roland library :-( BUT I stream-line my work considerably! Much faster sample loading! 32 voices! 32 MB of memory! MUCH MUCH faster sound processing= (a 33 MHz 68040 and a DSP56000 instead of a 12 MHz 80186 and some custom chips) In essence, my precious time is spent making music, not mucking around looking for/creating sounds all the time. Cheers, / h+ Jon W{tte -- Jon W=E4tte (h+@nada.kth.se), Hagagatan 1, 113 48 Stockholm, Sweden There's no problem that can't be solved using brute-force algorithms and a sufficiently fast computer. Ergo, buy more hardware. = (NOT!) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 5 10:48:03 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 10:48:00 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu ([128.101.118.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 10:41:47 -0400 Received: from [134.84.101.49] by maroon.tc.umn.edu id SMTP-0012e424f4fa19808; Fri, 5 Aug 94 09:40:16 -0500 From: "Mark D. Henderson" Reply-To: "Mark D. Henderson" To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: roland library Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 10:41:43 -0400 Message-Id: <94Aug5.104147edt.159@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R In message <9408050718.AA23778@john.research.canon.oz.au> David White writes: > Hi there, I recently went to Roland Australia and got a copy of the > S50 library but unfortunately some of the disks were missing out of > their library (looks like the most popular ones). Roland said that > this was their only copy in Australia and they didn't intend to get in > another one. > If we could get permission from the sgroup server, I could upload these disks over the next few weeks. I do have the entire factory library for the S-50 and the S-550. If worse came to worse, you could mail me the disks, but with the Internet at our disposal, seems like we should be able to improve on the snail mail. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 5 15:04:59 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 15:04:47 -0400 Received: from siri1.siri.unit.no ([129.241.20.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 14:57:57 -0400 Received: from siri7.siri.unit.no by siri1.siri.unit.no with SMTP id (5.65+/1.2); Fri, 5 Aug 94 20:57:36 +0200 From: Thomas Hammer Received: by siri7.siri.unit.no ; Fri, 5 Aug 94 20:57:34 +0200 Message-Id: <9408051857.AA10104@siri7.siri.unit.no> Subject: Re: Bye bye! To: h+@nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 14:57:33 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9408051045.AA14971@cyklop.nada.kth.se> from "Jon W{tte" at Aug 5, 94 06:50:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 218 Status: R > an AudioMedia II) and I get no resonant filters, AND I lose the Roland > library :-( BUT I stream-line my work considerably! Much faster sample You don't HAVE to loose it, you know.. Thomas thammer@siri.unit.no From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 5 19:28:50 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 19:28:36 -0400 Received: from warrane.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <182>; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 19:18:57 -0400 Received: from kralizec.zeta.org.au by warrane.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA12701 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 09:18:44 +1000 Received: (from carrot@localhost) by kralizec.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA06339 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 09:18:08 +1000 From: Nic Grant Message-Id: <199408052318.JAA06339@kralizec.zeta.org.au> Subject: Re: Downloaded Disk Problem To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 19:18:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: from "Ribidibidibidodadeh" at Aug 5, 94 06:34:23 am X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} I downloaded classic.Z from the W-30 directory, to my PC. Then used => bytes. Then used SDISK.EXE to write a W-30 disk. => => (1) SDISK did not recognise it as a valid file type. Don't worry about this. It doesn't affect how sdisk works. It should still do the conversion successfully. => (3) But it gave !ERROR when trying to actually load it => I am using OS 2.21 on my S-750. Where am I going wrong ? I always suggest that the diskettes be formatted in the sampler prior to using sdisk. I will ftp that file and give it a go myself. Regards, Nic. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Aug 7 20:35:37 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 20:35:33 -0400 Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.64.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 20:27:01 -0400 Received: from mama.research.canon.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA05790 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 10:26:48 +1000 Received: from john.research.canon.oz.au by mama.research.canon.oz.au with SMTP id AA06609 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 8 Aug 1994 10:25:19 +1000 Received: by john.research.canon.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26420; Mon, 8 Aug 94 10:25:19 EST Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 11:25:19 -0400 From: david@research.canon.oz.au (David White) Message-Id: <9408080025.AA26420@john.research.canon.oz.au> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Cc: david@research.canon.oz.au Subject: Re: Roland Library In-Reply-To: <199408051441.AA27504@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> References: <199408051441.AA27504@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Status: R >>>>> "Mark" == Mark D Henderson writes: Mark> In message <9408050718.AA23778@john.research.canon.oz.au> David White writes: >> Hi there, I recently went to Roland Australia and got a copy of the >> S50 library but unfortunately some of the disks were missing out of >> their library (looks like the most popular ones). Roland said that >> this was their only copy in Australia and they didn't intend to get in >> another one. >> Mark> If we could get permission from the sgroup server, I could upload these disks Mark> over the next few weeks. I do have the entire factory library for the S-50 and Mark> the S-550. If worse came to worse, you could mail me the disks, but with the Mark> Internet at our disposal, seems like we should be able to improve on the snail Mark> mail. Would it be possible for Mark to upload 17 roland library disks to the S-50 directory on the sgroup server? These disks are the ones that I'm missing from my library. Cheers David. David White CAE Systems Administrator | david@research.canon.oz.au Canon Information Systems Research Australia Pty Ltd | Phone +61-2-805-2916 PO Box 313, 1 Thomas Holt Drive, | Fax +61-2-805-2929 NORTH RYDE, NSW, 2113, AUSTRALIA | Mobile 015-225-828 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 8 14:25:16 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:25:06 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu ([128.101.118.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:18:23 -0400 Received: from [134.84.101.41] by maroon.tc.umn.edu id SMTP-0012e4676d6a23368; Mon, 8 Aug 94 13:17:59 -0500 From: "Mark D. Henderson" Reply-To: "Mark D. Henderson" To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: uploads Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:18:09 -0400 Message-Id: <94Aug8.141823edt.41@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R OK, I need some advice. I have been trying to upload some disk images to the sgroup server. I'm using Fetch (for MAC) to ftp stuff. I compressed the file using Stuffit and fetch says it's sending it as a Macbinary II date stream. The transfer goes really slowly, and eventually I get an error message saying the server has reset my connection, and the upload has terminated. What gives? From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 8 15:25:00 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 15:24:51 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77248-3>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 15:24:40 -0400 Received: from adelbert5.Stanford.EDU ([36.211.0.63]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 15:19:00 -0400 Received: (from stilti@localhost) by adelbert5.Stanford.EDU (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA14737 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 12:18:44 -0700 From: Timothy Scott Stilson Message-Id: <199408081918.MAA14737@adelbert5.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Re: uploads To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 15:18:43 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1057 Status: R > OK, I need some advice. I have been trying to upload some disk images to the > sgroup server. I'm using Fetch (for MAC) to ftp stuff. I compressed the file > using Stuffit and fetch says it's sending it as a Macbinary II date stream. The > transfer goes really slowly, and eventually I get an error message saying the > server has reset my connection, and the upload has terminated. What gives? > 1) PC users are going to want to use the files also, Stuffit format may not be the best compression choice (any suggestions on which to use? I would lean towards either unix compress or zip). Similarly with the MacBinary format: raw data should be best. 2) It sounds like there is some _really_ slow network somewhere in the connection between you and the server. I get the same problem when other people on my PhoneNet network disconnect their computers and leave the connections hanging, which causes nearly continuous packet collisions. --Tim Stilson stilti@leland.stanford.edu P.S., I second the idea of someone uploading the S50 disks. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 8 17:02:49 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 17:02:45 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:53:36 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88155-1>; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:53:26 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: more Roland samples online ... Message-Id: <94Aug8.165326edt.88155-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:53:25 -0400 Status: R These are now on lotus.uwaterloo.ca in pub/sgroup/samples/wbf Thanks Bill! | From aloft.att.com!wbf Mon Aug 8 16:14:04 1994 | From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) | To: jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca | Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) | Original-To: watdragon.uwaterloo.ca!jmsellens | Subject: FTP Upload | | Hi John, | | I just uploaded two disks that somebody was wanting. I used samdisk to | make these files: | | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 8 08:10 RSB-505.1 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 8 08:10 RSB-505.4 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 2840 Aug 8 08:10 s50_1_4.txt | | My PC at work is networked via ethernet so I was able to copy these | files over to UNIX using Window's Program Manager. I hope that somebody | tries to download these files soon so I can find out if the process I | used provides usable files. The ethernet connection makes my process | efficient because I no longer need to tie up my PC for hours with | ctrmkrmt doing the transfer to UNIX. The disks I used are S550 format. | I made them from S50 disks which I convert loaded and saved as S550 | disks. Good luck to all! | | Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 9 00:19:36 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 00:19:28 -0400 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com ([192.100.81.114]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 00:10:49 -0400 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id VAA05184; Mon, 8 Aug 1994 21:10:49 -0700 From: sgs@netcom.com (Q-source (Stan Sawyer)) Message-Id: <199408090410.VAA05184@netcom6.netcom.com> Subject: Re: uploads To: stilti@leland.Stanford.EDU (Timothy Scott Stilson) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 00:10:46 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <199408081918.MAA14737@adelbert5.Stanford.EDU> from "Timothy Scott Stilson" at Aug 8, 94 03:18:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2176 Status: R > > > OK, I need some advice. I have been trying to upload some disk images to the > > sgroup server. I'm using Fetch (for MAC) to ftp stuff. I compressed the file > > using Stuffit and fetch says it's sending it as a Macbinary II date stream. The > > transfer goes really slowly, and eventually I get an error message saying the > > server has reset my connection, and the upload has terminated. What gives? > > > > 1) PC users are going to want to use the files also, Stuffit format may > not be the best compression choice (any suggestions on which to use? I > would lean towards either unix compress or zip). Similarly with the > MacBinary format: raw data should be best. The MacBinary is _due_ to the fact that it is a Stuffed file. I can upload a freeware UnStuffIt utility for DOS if this is the best option. UNIX compress seems to get some of the best compression ratios on the samdisk files if that's what we're talking about here. [deletia] > --Tim Stilson > stilti@leland.stanford.edu > > P.S., I second the idea of someone uploading the S50 disks. -- -------------=============<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>=============------------- sgs@netcom.com \||/ "As the intruder drew nearer, the drag- Q-source | @___oo on analyzed it...Human, it seemed... /\ /\ / (__,,,,| The creature worried the concept of ) /^\) ^\/ _) time the way only a mortal could. It ) /^\/ _) also bore the tragedy of understanding ) _ / / _) death, clutching to concerns about its /\ )/\/ || | )_) own and others...Over all, uncertainty < > |(,,) )__) pervaded every thought, and it seemed || / \)___)\ most focused on the need to destroy a | \____( )___) )___ beast of fantasy to place its life \______(_______;;; __;;; back on the even keel it sought." or anonymously as anon-3010@twwells.com M. Z. Reichert -------------=============<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>=============------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 9 12:52:36 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 12:52:27 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 12:45:52 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88155-2>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 12:45:39 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: more Roland samples from Bill Fox Message-Id: <94Aug9.124539edt.88155-2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 12:45:35 -0400 Status: R thanks again Bill ... | From aloft.att.com!wbf Tue Aug 9 11:54:21 1994 | From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) | To: jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca | Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) | Original-To: watdragon.uwaterloo.ca!jmsellens | Subject: S50 Roland Sound Bank FTP Upload - Part II | | Hi John, | | David White listed the disks that he's missing from the S-50 library: | | RSB-502-8 AIR DISK NO. 1 | RSB-502-7 JUNGLE LIFE | RSB-503-1 OOOZE AND OZ | RSB-503-9 NEW DRUMS AND 808 | RSB-504-10 ANARCHY TIME! | RSB-505-1 METAL AND GLASS FX | RSB-505-4 INDIAN PERCUSSION NO. 1 | RSB-505-8 ASSORTED SNARES NO. 1 | RSB-506-6 TECHNO SET | RSB-506-9 PAN PIPES / SHAKOHASHI | RSB-506-10 FUNK GUITAR | RSB-507-1 AIR DISK NO. 2 | RSB-507-6 ANALOG PERCUSSION | RSB-507-8 POP PIANO NO. 1 | RSB-508-2 MUTE TRUMPET | RSB-508-4 KOTO NO. 1 | RSB-508-7 FUNK ROCK SET NO. 1 | | I just uploaded these files today. | | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-506.9 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-507.1 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-507.6 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-507.7 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-507.8 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-508.2 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-508.4 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-508.7 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 11360 Aug 9 10:23 RSB50.txt | | Together with yesterday's files, I've uploaded most of the disks I have that | fill David's request. Unfortunately, some of my disks are corrupted so | I can't complete his library. As I said yesterday, I copied these S50 | Roland Sound Bank disks using convert load and saving to S550 disks. I | used samdisk to make the files that I uploaded to the ftp site. Please | report any problems with these files, if any. I still have to locate | banks 1 - 4 before I can do the top few items in David's list. | | Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 9 15:09:11 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 15:09:07 -0400 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com ([192.100.81.126]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 15:00:14 -0400 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id MAA09552; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 12:00:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 15:00:16 -0400 From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions Subject: WANTED: S-550 SCSI adapter To: S-550 Group In-Reply-To: <94Aug9.124539edt.88155-2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Thanks to the folks that uploaded disks to the archive. A while back I needed the Techno Set disk really bad and I finally found someone who emailed me a copy of it. Now its on the ftp site, so I won't have to worry about it. Its great to know that there are a few faithful S-550 folks out there still. Now then..... Where can I find a SCSI adapter for my S-550? I have been reading a little about how hard they are to find. Now I really want one. New or used. Thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 9 15:17:12 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 15:16:59 -0400 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com ([192.100.81.126]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 15:08:49 -0400 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id MAA09907; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 12:03:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 15:03:40 -0400 From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions Subject: Question for all? To: S-550 Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R How many of you use MS Windows and of you MS Windows users, how many would benefit from a program that can read an S-550 or S-50 disk and then display information in windows as to how the patches and tones are organized. Then allow the user the reorganize tones and patches(basically a patch editor) and then write a new sample disk. Might have to work in conjunction with samdisk, at least at first. The built in editing facilities on the S-550 leave something to be desired, especially in terms of memory economy when setting up custom disks. any thoughts? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 9 17:16:18 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 17:16:14 -0400 Received: from celtech.com ([192.84.22.14]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <182>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 17:08:39 -0400 Received: by celtech.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0qXyNY-0006YaC; Tue, 9 Aug 94 14:06 PDT Message-Id: From: khall@celtech.com (Keith Hall) Subject: Re: WANTED: S-550 SCSI adapter To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 17:06:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: ; from "Steve Schow-Backstage Productions" at Aug 9, 94 3:00 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Status: R > Now then..... > > Where can I find a SCSI adapter for my S-550? I have been reading a > little about how hard they are to find. Now I really want one. New or used. > I'm still trying to find the same. If anyone has any information please let us know.. Thanks khall@celtech.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 9 18:33:49 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 18:33:44 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu ([128.101.118.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 18:27:57 -0400 Received: from [134.84.101.134] by maroon.tc.umn.edu id SMTP-0012e4802d8a25917; Tue, 9 Aug 94 17:27:37 -0500 From: "Mark D. Henderson" Reply-To: "Mark D. Henderson" To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: SCSI adapter Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 18:27:44 -0400 Message-Id: <94Aug9.182757edt.184@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R I don't understand all the fuss about a SCSI adapter for the S-550. I bought one when they were still $200+ and finally sold it to buy other gear. Before you purchase one you should know this. 1- It will only work with 20, 40, 60, and 80 meg hard drives, and these have to be on Rolands approved drive list (usually Apple drives, although I got a Quantum 80 to work) 2- An 80 meg disk will only hold 64 floppies worth of data. The system Roland uses will not recognize a larger drive. 3- The SCSI implementation is slowwww. A normal floppy load is about 60 seconds, and the hard drive load is about 35 seconds. (not breakneck speed). 4- BIG ONE! Roland never tells you this, but you cannot boot from a system on the hard drive. You will ALWAYS have to insert a floppy to load the hard drive system. After the system loads from the floppy, it will access a chain that you have previously designated as your default load. 5- There are no sample editing programs that will access the S-550 by SCSI. Rolands implementation never took this into account, so any sample editing has to be done by dumping over MIDI (tedious). 6- If you get the CD-5 operating system, it will allow you to access multiple hard drives, which may make it a more viable storage option, but wait til you have all the fun of loading 64 floppies to the sampler and then saving them to your hard drive (2 disks at a time!). If you are still attracted to SCSI'ifying your S-550, more power to you. Just be aware that it isn't going to radically increase your overall power in using the S-550 sampler. I would be glad to answer any other questions if you e-mail me. From mama.research.canon.oz.au!david Tue Aug 9 22:33:17 1994 Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.64.2]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 22:33:08 -0400 Received: from mama.research.canon.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA26765 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 12:32:41 +1000 Received: from john.research.canon.oz.au by mama.research.canon.oz.au with SMTP id AA21231 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 10 Aug 1994 07:47:17 +1000 Received: by john.research.canon.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29912; Wed, 10 Aug 94 07:47:16 EST Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:47:16 -0400 From: david@research.canon.oz.au (David White) Message-Id: <9408092147.AA29912@john.research.canon.oz.au> To: "John M. Sellens" Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: more Roland samples from Bill Fox In-Reply-To: <94Aug9.124539edt.88155-2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> References: <94Aug9.124539edt.88155-2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R >>>>> "John" == John M Sellens writes: John> | I just uploaded these files today. John> | John> | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-506.9 John> | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-507.1 John> | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-507.6 John> | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-507.7 John> | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-507.8 John> | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-508.2 John> | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-508.4 John> | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 737280 Aug 9 10:23 RSB-508.7 John> | -rw-rw-r-- 1 wbf 11360 Aug 9 10:23 RSB50.txt John> | John> | Together with yesterday's files, I've uploaded most of the disks I have that John> | fill David's request. Unfortunately, some of my disks are corrupted so John> | I can't complete his library. As I said yesterday, I copied these S50 John> | Roland Sound Bank disks using convert load and saving to S550 disks. I John> | used samdisk to make the files that I uploaded to the ftp site. Please John> | report any problems with these files, if any. I still have to locate John> | banks 1 - 4 before I can do the top few items in David's list. John> | John> | Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com John> | Thanks for all the effort guys - I appreciate it. David. David White CAE Systems Administrator | david@research.canon.oz.au Canon Information Systems Research Australia Pty Ltd | Phone +61-2-805-2916 PO Box 313, 1 Thomas Holt Drive, | Fax +61-2-805-2929 NORTH RYDE, NSW, 2113, AUSTRALIA | Mobile 015-225-828 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 9 23:56:19 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:56:16 -0400 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com ([192.100.81.129]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <186>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:49:11 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id UAA05117; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 20:49:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:49:12 -0400 From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions Subject: Re: WANTED: S-550 SCSI adapter To: Keith Hall cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R > > Where can I find a SCSI adapter for my S-550? I have been reading a > > little about how hard they are to find. Now I really want one. New or used. > > > > I'm still trying to find the same. If anyone has any information please > let us know.. Well, I called about 25 different places across the USA today and NADA. I called Roland and they just sorta shrugged their shoulders. I guess we are probably hosed. Too bad Roland decided to use their own special interface instead of building something standard(like a PC buss interface or something like that. now that they don't make em anymore and don't care about it, I have a $3500 sampler(back then that's what they cost) that I can't get a part for, which happens to be a SCSI adapter. Oh well, on with the floppies until I can afford an S-760 I suppose. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 10 00:06:09 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 00:05:59 -0400 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com ([192.100.81.129]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <187>; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:56:11 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id UAA05414; Tue, 9 Aug 1994 20:51:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:51:24 -0400 From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions Subject: Re: SCSI adapter To: "Mark D. Henderson" cc: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <94Aug9.182757edt.184@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Yeah, I know I had heard all that. I mostly just wanted to be able to use a CD-ROM with my S-550 so that I can throw out the floppies and never worry again about losing sample disks ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 9 Aug 1994, Mark D. Henderson wrote: > I don't understand all the fuss about a SCSI adapter for the S-550. I bought one > when they were still $200+ and finally sold it to buy other gear. Before you > purchase one you should know this. > > 1- It will only work with 20, 40, 60, and 80 meg hard drives, and these have to > be on Rolands approved drive list (usually Apple drives, although I got a > Quantum 80 to work) > > 2- An 80 meg disk will only hold 64 floppies worth of data. The system Roland > uses will not recognize a larger drive. > > 3- The SCSI implementation is slowwww. A normal floppy load is about 60 seconds, > and the hard drive load is about 35 seconds. (not breakneck speed). > > 4- BIG ONE! Roland never tells you this, but you cannot boot from a system on > the hard drive. You will ALWAYS have to insert a floppy to load the hard drive > system. After the system loads from the floppy, it will access a chain that you > have previously designated as your default load. > > 5- There are no sample editing programs that will access the S-550 by SCSI. > Rolands implementation never took this into account, so any sample editing has > to be done by dumping over MIDI (tedious). > > 6- If you get the CD-5 operating system, it will allow you to access multiple > hard drives, which may make it a more viable storage option, but wait til you > have all the fun of loading 64 floppies to the sampler and then saving them to > your hard drive (2 disks at a time!). > > If you are still attracted to SCSI'ifying your S-550, more power to you. Just be > aware that it isn't going to radically increase your overall power in using the > S-550 sampler. I would be glad to answer any other questions if you e-mail me. > > > > > From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 10 10:06:41 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:06:36 -0400 Received: from gw1.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <188>; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:57:45 -0400 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA05766; Wed, 10 Aug 94 09:56:34 EDT From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from dspsun by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA19168; Wed, 10 Aug 94 09:57:02 EDT Received: by dspsun (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA05789; Wed, 10 Aug 94 09:56:59 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:56:59 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9408101356.AA05789@dspsun> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: s-550 files Status: R Hi JT, > I have a few questions about using the disks you uploaded to the > sgroup ftp site. More or less, how do I get them? May I assume that you can access the ftp site (lotus.uwaterloo.ca) and and download the files to your Mac? If you can't, I'm not Mac literate. Somebody else on sgroup could probably help you there. At work, I transfer the files from PC to a UNIX machine via ethernet. Once on UNIX, it is easy for me to use ftp to upload the files. (However, I am concerned about the PC to UNIX transfer. I hope somebody downloads a file soon so we all can find out if my process is a success.) > ... what do with them once I get them on my > machine at home. Hmmm. I used samdisk to copy my S550 floppies onto my PC's hard drive at work. Samdisk can also reverse the procress to make an S550 disk from a (samdisk) file on the hard drive. I got samdisk from the sgroup's ftp site and it is (obviously) a PC program. Off hand, I don't know if there is a version for the Mac. If there is, then it will write a floppy that you can stick in the S550. Good luck! Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 10 10:33:52 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:33:42 -0400 Received: from bosshog.arts.uwo.ca ([129.100.20.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:25:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:25:26 -0400 From: Paul Martin To: Subject: Re: s-550 files Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9408101356.AA05789@dspsun> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Wed, 10 Aug 1994, william.b.fox wrote: > > Hmmm. I used samdisk to copy my S550 floppies onto my PC's hard drive > at work. Samdisk can also reverse the procress to make an S550 disk > from a (samdisk) file on the hard drive. I got samdisk from the > sgroup's ftp site and it is (obviously) a PC program. Off hand, I don't > know if there is a version for the Mac. If there is, then it will write > a floppy that you can stick in the S550. Good luck! > > Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com > The SMAC utility found at the ftp site does exactly the same thing for the mac and works wonderfully. Many thanks to the person who wrote that program!!! From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 10 20:26:32 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 20:26:25 -0400 Received: from beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.216.26]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 20:17:25 -0400 Received: from localhost by beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.6.4/4.940426) id UAA18630; Wed, 10 Aug 1994 20:17:20 -0400 From: JT Message-Id: <199408110017.UAA18630@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: s-550 files To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 20:17:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9408101356.AA05789@dspsun>; from "william.b.fox" at Aug 10, 94 9:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R > May I assume that you can access the ftp site (lotus.uwaterloo.ca) and > and download the files to your Mac? Not a problem at all. What concerns me is Roland's format, which I believe is a PC format (??), which was told to me by someone who had a W-30 with a couple of corrupted floppies and was asking me if I new of any PC utilities. Since I am using a mac, I thought there might be some problems more with conversion to and from the Mac to the S-550's disk format. I just got SMAC a few days ago, but I haven't tried it because I use a MAC and just spent a full day (as I do every month) diagnosing and fixing the damn thing, so I was afraid to jump into it and spending hours of frustration trying to get it to work. At work I often talk about how good it is that the monitors are so big and heavy otherwise I would have thrown it out the window months ago! ;) Thanks for the advice. Also, this might be more appropriate bow the daw-mac list, but I am having a hard time getting sounds in and out of my mac. I am running sounds through my mixer (Mackie 1604) into the mac, and back out again after I tinker with it in some sound editing software. I don't have an AV mac. The sounds coming in are too hot, and coming out, even with the volume on the mac all the way up, they are very faint and the Mac's noise is actually more in the foreground than the sound I just made/edited. Any ideas? Thanks again, JT From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 11 05:41:18 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 05:41:15 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 11 Aug 1994 05:34:14 -0400 Received: from argonaut.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa22073; 11 Aug 94 10:22 GMT-60:00 Received: from dellboy.argonaut.com by gate.argonaut.com with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qYXpi-0008NVC; Thu, 11 Aug 94 11:58 BST Message-Id: Received: from DELLBOY/MAILQUEUE by dellboy.argonaut.com (Mercury 1.1); Thu, 11 Aug 94 10:03:45 +0 From: Tangerine To The Hilt Organization: Argonaut Ltd. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 06:03:12 -0400 Subject: Samples Still Wont Work Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Status: R If you remember, last week I could not get 'CLASSIC.Z' to work, from the W-30 library. Today, RSB-5505.4 - the Grand Piano Disk gives the same problem. I even got SDISK to recognise that it was a 'S550-W30' disk, but my S- 750 just gives !!ERROR!! when trying to load them in. I have tried pre-formatting the disks on the S-750, and have verified them and they have no errors. My guess is that the S750 has the bug somewhere, so can some other S750/760/770 user tell me if they've got these disks to work. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 12 00:38:49 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 00:38:46 -0400 Received: from news.his.com ([198.4.81.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 00:31:21 -0400 Received: from clone.UUCP (clone@localhost) by news.his.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) with UUCP id AAA27167 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 00:30:07 -0400 Received: by clone.his.com (Fred/1.9q) id AA08342; Fri, 12 Aug 1994 00:28:12 From: doug.ramsay@his.com (Doug Ramsay) Reply-To: doug.ramsay@his.com Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:58:14 -0400 Message-ID: <776676494.AA08342@clone.his.com> Subject: s550lib.zip To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Does anyone know if there is a Macintohs version of this? Thanks much. Doug From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 15 04:13:53 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 04:13:41 -0400 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com ([192.100.81.117]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 03:55:48 -0400 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id AAA13585; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 00:55:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 03:55:56 -0400 From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions Subject: WANTED:schematic for S-550 SCSI adapter To: S-550 Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Well I called all over the US and called ROland and everyone in between. There are no S-550 SCSI adapters to be found anywhere. Hope nothing else on my sampler goes bad. hard to believe that a company as big as Roland does not support parts for their keyboards, including those that are a few years old. I know the S-760 is gobs better, but I purchased the S-550 with full intention to use it for a while.....I can't afford an S-760 right now, so what if something goes bad on my S-550, will I be hosed or what? The real question...... Does anyone have access to the schematic and/or pin diagram for the Roland S-550 SCSI adapter? I might try to just put one together myself. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 15 05:35:58 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 05:35:51 -0400 Received: from hypnos.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de ([141.2.1.90]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 05:24:36 -0400 Received: by hypnos.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19983; Mon, 15 Aug 94 11:24:15 +0200 From: mickey@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Posted-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:24:13 +0200 (MESZ) Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 94 11:24:15 +0200 Message-Id: <9408150924.AA19983@hypnos.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Subject: Samples Still Wont Work (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 05:24:13 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 921 Status: R > If you remember, last week I could not get 'CLASSIC.Z' to work, from > the W-30 library. > Today, RSB-5505.4 - the Grand Piano Disk gives the same problem. > > I even got SDISK to recognise that it was a 'S550-W30' disk, but my S- > 750 just gives !!ERROR!! when trying to load them in. I have tried > pre-formatting the disks on the S-750, and have verified them and > they have no errors. My guess is that the S750 has the bug somewhere, > so can some other S750/760/770 user tell me if they've got these > disks to work. Hi! I've got a 750, too, and I got this error when I first operated with OS 2.21! Then I've tried it with OS 2.20 and it worked... Maybe a bug in OS 2.21... Well, Jim Norman once said that OS 2.21 has some bugs, which are fixed now in OS 2.23. Unfortunately, no one seems to have it. So, the only solution to this problem seems to be to use the older OS for converting disks. Mickey. From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 15 11:13:36 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:13:34 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77245-2>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:13:27 -0400 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <166>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:00:44 -0400 Received: by mail.infinet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qa3Ws-000DPrC; Mon, 15 Aug 94 11:00 EDT Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:00:49 -0400 From: "Paul W. Campbell" Subject: s330 os To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R i have os 1 or os 1.01 on the s-330. i had a later one on my s50. is that the most current os for the s-330, or can a get a newer one ? thanks for the help. Paul Campbell = mcolony@infinet.com Pounce, Intl. "When I nod my head, you hit it" Po Box 164171 -Laurel and Hardy cols, Oh 43216-4171 USA .............................................................................. mcolony@infinet.com .............................................................................. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 15 11:50:12 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:49:59 -0400 Received: from havoc.gtf.gatech.edu ([130.207.150.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:37:05 -0400 Received: by havoc.gtf.gatech.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) Message-Id: <94Aug15.113705edt.191@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> From: To: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:37:05 -0400 Status: R id m0qa4AZ-000JfAC; Mon, 15 Aug 94 11:41 EDT Message-Id: From: data@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu (Mike Ashton) Subject: DJ-70 buzz ? To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 11:41:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1289 Ok, if anyone knows offhand about this problem, please post... I've got a DJ-70, and I've also got a bunch of sample disks from the S770 library. When I play them, the samples are accompanied by a buzz which seems to vary in frequency with the sample being played. It sounds almost like the A/D converter is ringing, but I'm not too sure. I originally thought it was just because they were from a different sampler (although really it's the same circuitry, right? so there shouldn't be any difference). However, now I'm starting to think it's a) something not set properly or b) a problem with the hardware, because I can't sample anything without encountering the same problem. It's most noticeable on bass-drum samples, because the low frequencies present there make for a buzz that's well within hearing range. One additional clue ... the amplitude of the buzz remains constant. So for example, if the TVA is fading out a sample, the buzz doesn't fade with it, but sticks around until the very last, almost as if the sample was being clipped way way down. That's actually what the buzz sounds like - a severely clipped version of the sample being played. Thanks in advance, in case I do get any responses.... - Michael Ashton data@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 15 18:56:44 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 18:56:36 -0400 Received: from havoc.gtf.gatech.edu ([130.207.150.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <192>; Mon, 15 Aug 1994 18:43:20 -0400 Received: by havoc.gtf.gatech.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) Message-Id: <94Aug15.184320edt.192@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> From: To: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 18:43:13 -0400 Status: R id m0qaAow-000JfAC; Mon, 15 Aug 94 18:47 EDT Message-Id: From: data@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu (Mike Ashton) Subject: Re: your mail To: joseph@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU (Joseph Dennis) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 18:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9408151652.AA29018@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU> from "Joseph Dennis" at Aug 15, 94 12:52:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1112 > > Ok, if anyone knows offhand about this problem, please post... > > > > I've got a DJ-70, and I've also got a bunch of sample disks from the S770 > > library. When I play them, the samples are accompanied by a buzz which > > seems to vary in frequency with the sample being played. It sounds almost > > like the A/D converter is ringing, but I'm not too sure. I originally > > thought it was just because they were from a different sampler (although > > really it's the same circuitry, right? so there shouldn't be any difference). > > You could try one of the filters features. > > > joseph > I've tried it, although I don't remember whether the filters had any effect. Assuming that they do, this would still be an inadequate solution for two reasons: 1. it makes useless much of the sampler's bandwidth (after all, if I'd wanted a 22.1 KHz sampler, I would've bought one for alot less money), 2. the buzz is of a pretty high amplitude, so that you couldn't filter it out completely without really cutting off alot of the signal. I appreciate the suggestion though... - Michael From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 16 01:15:32 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Tue, 16 Aug 1994 01:15:25 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77226-1>; Tue, 16 Aug 1994 01:15:18 -0400 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <194>; Tue, 16 Aug 1994 01:00:32 -0400 Received: from david by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qaGdm-000DM0C; Tue, 16 Aug 94 01:00 EDT Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Tue, 16 Aug 94 00:34:00 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Buzzing sound Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 01:34:00 -0400 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-ID: <0105009A.7befn1@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R In Regards to your letter <94Aug15.184320edt.192@lotus.uwaterloo.ca>: > > id m0qaAow-000JfAC; Mon, 15 Aug 94 18:47 EDT > Message-Id: > From: data@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu (Mike Ashton) > Subject: Re: your mail > To: joseph@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU (Joseph Dennis) > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 18:47:58 -0400 (EDT) > Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > In-Reply-To: <9408151652.AA29018@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU> from "Joseph Dennis" at Aug 15, 94 12:52:35 pm > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 1112 > > > > Ok, if anyone knows offhand about this problem, please post... > > > > > > I've got a DJ-70, and I've also got a bunch of sample disks from the S770 > > > library. When I play them, the samples are accompanied by a buzz which > > > seems to vary in frequency with the sample being played. It sounds almost > > > like the A/D converter is ringing, but I'm not too sure. I originally > > > thought it was just because they were from a different sampler (although > > > really it's the same circuitry, right? so there shouldn't be any difference). > > > > You could try one of the filters features. > > > > > > joseph > > > > I've tried it, although I don't remember whether the filters had any > effect. Assuming that they do, this would still be an inadequate > solution for two reasons: 1. it makes useless much of the sampler's > bandwidth (after all, if I'd wanted a 22.1 KHz sampler, I would've bought > one for alot less money), 2. the buzz is of a pretty high amplitude, so > that you couldn't filter it out completely without really cutting off > alot of the signal. > I appreciate the suggestion though... > > - Michael This conversations sounds too techie for this solution to work for the problem, but I offer it for your considersation. Anytime I have had any kind of noise problems related to a Roland sampler it was caused by other equipment. The Roland sampler for some reason likes to be an only child, with respect to rack space and if something else is even within a couple of spaces, the Roland sampler will make noise about it. Effects processors being the worst of them. Trying shutting everything off that doesn't need to be on. Listen to the sampler through headphones. Plug your midi keyboard directly into the sampler to trigger the sample. Find the problem you were having and see if it is still there. If not, then turn each piece of equipment back on one at a time while listening through the headphones. I would find it pretty strange if only certain samples sounded noisy on your sampler, but not on others. Let us know! David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 16 07:43:23 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Tue, 16 Aug 1994 07:43:19 -0400 Received: from sun2.mhs-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.35]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <196>; Tue, 16 Aug 1994 07:29:02 -0400 Via: uk.ac.lon.lbs; Tue, 16 Aug 1994 12:28:29 +0100 Via: charon.lbs.lon.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Aug 94 12:25:13 +0100 Received: From TERRA/WORKQUEUE by charon.lbs.lon.ac.uk via Charon-4.0A-VROOM with IPX id 100.940816122506.320; 16 Aug 94 12:26:15 -0100 Message-Id: From: Orvel Benjamin Organization: London Business SChool To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 08:25:05 -0400 Subject: New to this kind of stuff Reply-To: obenjamin@lbs.lon.ac.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1) Status: R Hi everyone I'm not sure if this is the right group which I'm sending this request to but here we go. Does anyone know of a good Roland keyboard, sampler and sequencer in any order. I have a 486 computer and is interested in making music at home, I have just added to my soundcard a Roland SCD-15 Daughterboard, which supports General Midi and the Roland GS standard. Cause I don't know which is a good keyboard to buy and so on.... I'm a little bit suck. Any help from anyone would be greatfully welcomed. Plus does anyone know of any sampling or sequencing software on the net, and what are the net address. Thanks Orvel obenjamin@lbs.lon.ac.uk Mailnet : obenjamin@lbs.lon.ac.uk Snailnet : Orvel Benjamin, Information Systems Division London Business School, Sussex Place, Regent's Park, London, NW1 4SA Voicenet : (+44) 071 262 5050 x 3347 Mobile : (+44) 0831 755924 Fax : (+44) 071 724 7875 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 16 18:59:50 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Tue, 16 Aug 1994 18:59:43 -0400 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com ([192.100.81.113]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <193>; Tue, 16 Aug 1994 18:47:09 -0400 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id PAA17217; Tue, 16 Aug 1994 15:47:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 18:47:28 -0400 From: Steve Schow-Backstage Productions Subject: writing C programs using rs12.h To: S-550 Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R OK, I am about to attempt to write my first program to dink with S-550 disks. I got the header file which describes the structures contained on the S-550 disks. That is GREAT! Now the big question is, how do I read the S-550 disks directly? I am assuming that normally people use samdisk to read the disk into a file and the use rs12.h to read the file created by samdisk. However I really want to read the disk directly. So, how do I do that exactly? Thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 18 01:15:12 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 01:15:05 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77248-4>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 01:14:56 -0400 Received: from news.his.com ([198.4.81.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <197>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 01:04:10 -0400 Received: from clone.UUCP (clone@localhost) by news.his.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) with UUCP id BAA13933 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 01:02:59 -0400 Received: by clone.his.com (Fred/1.9q) id AA09030; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 01:01:53 From: doug.ramsay@his.com (Doug Ramsay) Reply-To: doug.ramsay@his.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 21:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: <777196913.AA09030@clone.his.com> Subject: SOX7 for the Mac To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R I understand that SOX7 for the IBM-PC will allow you to load TX16W and Samplevisiion samples into a S-550. Anything similar for the Mac? Thanks much Doug From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 18 04:53:41 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 04:53:37 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 04:44:31 -0400 Received: from argonaut.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa21567; 18 Aug 94 9:33 GMT-60:00 Received: from dellboy.argonaut.com by gate.argonaut.com with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qb43C-0008MiC; Thu, 18 Aug 94 10:46 BST Message-Id: Received: from DELLBOY/MAILQUEUE by dellboy.argonaut.com (Mercury 1.1); Thu, 18 Aug 94 8:43:46 +0 From: Tangerine To The Hilt Organization: Argonaut Ltd. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 04:43:20 -0400 Subject: Our Group Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Status: R Has anyone got any statistics which show : 1) How many people are on this group ? 2) What their samplers are ? I would be very interested because I guess its mainly S-550 owners, all of whom ask the same 2 questions, (a) Where can I get a SCSI interface or (b) Where can I get more Roland library samples. Maybe I'm just pissed off because no-one has helped me get the Hammond B3 samples I was after. Come on S750/770 owners, can we start talking ? So, has anyone got any Hammond B3 samples from the EMU Vintage Keys on their Roland Sampler ? If so can we swap samples ? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 18 11:47:02 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 11:46:56 -0400 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu ([128.32.136.72]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 11:37:17 -0400 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.8/1.33(web)) id IAA19599; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 08:37:02 -0700 Received: by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.8/1.33(web)-oc4) id IAA08732; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 08:33:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 11:33:50 -0400 From: becucb96@uclink.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Edmund Chan) Message-Id: <199408181533.IAA08732@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: help Status: R Hi, I downloaded samdisk.zip.uu on to my ibm, i have no clue how to utilize it at all please help, Benjamin S50 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 18 12:24:06 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 12:23:59 -0400 Received: from pjl53ig.i-p.attmail.com ([198.152.2.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <166>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 12:15:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 08:06:07 -0400 From: everhart@vortex.attmail.com (everhart) Received: from vortex by attmail; Thu Aug 18 12:06 GMT 1994 Subject: Help!!! Roland W-30 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Content-Type: Text Message-ID: Status: R From: Tangerine To The Hilt To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: -0400 Subject: Our Group In the message titled "Our Group", Thu, 18 Aug 1994 04:43:20, Tangerine To The Hilt writes: > >Has anyone got any statistics which show : > >1) How many people are on this group ? >2) What their samplers are ? > >I would be very interested because I guess its mainly S-550 owners, >all of whom ask the same 2 questions, (a) Where can I get a SCSI >interface or (b) Where can I get more Roland library samples Since we are getting up on our soapboxes here, let me put in my 2 cents. I purchased a Roland W-30 about 5 years ago, and I wish I never had. I truly believe Roland did not and never will have the intention of supporting this product, either with software (operating system upgrades/Patches, etc..) or hardware upgrades (INCREASING THE @#$! MEAGER 1MB MEMORY LIMITATIONS). Does ANYBODY on this group have ANY information on this product that could improve my attitude!! Thanks, -Rob Everhart From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 18 13:06:59 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 13:06:51 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77502-1>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 13:06:41 -0400 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com ([130.13.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 12:56:12 -0400 Received: from lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com by uswat.advtech.uswest.com with SMTP id AA23953 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 18 Aug 1994 10:55:59 -0600 Received: from mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.35.186]) by lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (8.6.8.1/uswc-hub-V8.052394) with SMTP id KAA12958 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 10:55:41 -0600 Received: by mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (uswc-generic.940224) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 12:55:39 -0400 From: Keith Lewis Message-Id: <9408181655.AA05437@mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Help!!! Roland W-30 In-Reply-To: Mail from 'everhart@vortex.attmail.com (everhart)' dated: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 08:06:07 -0400 Status: R > Since we are getting up on our soapboxes here, let me put in my 2 cents. > I purchased a Roland W-30 about 5 years ago, and I wish I never had. I truly > believe Roland did not and never will have the intention of supporting this > product, either with software (operating system upgrades/Patches, etc..) or > hardware upgrades (INCREASING THE @#$! MEAGER 1MB MEMORY LIMITATIONS). Does > ANYBODY on this group have ANY information on this product that could improve > my attitude!! > > Thanks, > > -Rob Everhart Roland, in general, offers crappy support. The W-30 (I have one) is a perfect example. This wouldn't be a problem if the stuff they make didn't sound good. I like the Roland gear I have, but I pretty much assume that there will be no support from Roland. I solved some of my W-30 problems by picking up a used S-550. Now I can sample dump to and from Sound Designer II and share the samples between the two units. Not a very cost effective solution, but it works for me. This info probably won't improve your attitude about Roland. Sorry, Keith Lewis From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 18 13:50:11 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-3>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 13:49:59 -0400 Received: from netcom17 ([192.100.81.130]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <198>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 13:39:32 -0400 Received: by netcom17 (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id KAA13330; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 10:39:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 13:39:18 -0400 From: mcartney@netcom.com ( scorch ) Message-Id: <199408181739.KAA13330@netcom17> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-10 Status: R Ok, I've got an S-10, and I never see anything about these on this list, or in the archives. Is there a source for samples? I've only got a couple disks from the Roland library, is there any way to get more, and is the S-10 library going to be made available like the others? Question - how would I get an S-10 sample from a computer to the sampler? Am I just SOL? scorch From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 18 20:07:45 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 20:07:31 -0400 Received: from warrane.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <199>; Thu, 18 Aug 1994 19:58:29 -0400 Received: from kralizec.zeta.org.au by warrane.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA04982 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:58:10 +1000 Received: (from carrot@localhost) by kralizec.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA08979 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca; Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:57:48 +1000 From: Nic Grant Message-Id: <199408182357.JAA08979@kralizec.zeta.org.au> Subject: Re: Our Group To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 19:57:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: from "Tangerine To The Hilt" at Aug 18, 94 04:43:20 am X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} => Has anyone got any statistics which show : => => 1) How many people are on this group ? => 2) What their samplers are ? Hi, I maintain the sgroup directory which lists all the sgroup users who have mailed me their details. It also lists statistics about the user profile. You can get a copy by mailing to carrot@kralizec.zeta.org.au with the subject set to 'xdist sgroup' (without the quotes). The latest copy is mailed back to you automatically if your Return-Path field is set correctly in your mail header. Else I will forward it to you manually. As far as S7xx owners goes, there are a few on the list. I downloaded classic.Z this week to take a look at your problem, but haven't had time to bring it home from work and try it. Maybe tonight. Regards, Nic. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 19 16:40:51 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Fri, 19 Aug 1994 16:40:46 -0400 Received: from news.his.com ([198.4.81.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <194>; Fri, 19 Aug 1994 16:30:44 -0400 Received: from clone.UUCP (clone@localhost) by news.his.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) with UUCP id QAA03233 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Fri, 19 Aug 1994 16:29:10 -0400 Received: by clone.his.com (Fred/1.9q) id AA09193; Fri, 19 Aug 1994 16:28:43 From: doug.ramsay@his.com (Doug Ramsay) Reply-To: doug.ramsay@his.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 12:40:12 -0400 Message-ID: <777338923.AA09193@clone.his.com> Subject: TX16W samples to S-550 via Mac To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R On 12/23/93, David Wilson writes: ----------------------------- cut here --------------------------------------- To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) For all those interested, there is also a Yamaha TX16W sampler ftp site at the same SampleVision FTP site address: 128.255.19.233 in /pub/tx16w. This directory contains a cool new version of SOX7 that can read all the Yamaha TX16W sampler files located at that same ftp site in that directory. You can convert any of the Yamaha sample files into .WAV or .SMP or any other format that SOX handles. This works quite well, I just converted a Yamaha TX16W sampler disk file of Fairlight CMI series IIx samples using the new SOX and converted them into SampleVision files. I uploaded them into my S-550 and voila!! I now have a few of the Fairlight CMI IIx library sounds (think of Miami Vice and early 80's Peter Gabriel). The Yamaha TX16W user group there has quite a few interesting disks on the ftp site of many classic synths such as PPG Wave, Prophet 5, and others. Not to mention the collection of SampleVision sounds in the /pub/samplevision directory. I will probably try to upload any new S-550 disks that I make to lotus, but I have been pretty busy lately so I would recommend that you try converting the sounds yourself first. Bottom line is this, it does work. Just unzip the TX16W sample files, you will get many sample files called something like "ppgbass.w04", rename this to "ppgbass.txw". Run the new sox (on the ftp site) like this: sox -V -ttxw ppgbass.txw This will list the sampling rate and info on the TX16W sample file. Then sox -V -ttxw -r33000 ppgbass.txw ppgbass.smp You now have a nice SampleVision converted sample for uploading into your Roland S-xxx sampler. I like free samples ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- s-group, I'm new to this and was wondering if there is a utility for the Mac that will do the above. Thanks $1M. Doug From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 19 18:04:39 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Fri, 19 Aug 1994 18:04:31 -0400 Received: from ukelele.GCR.COM ([198.5.166.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <195>; Fri, 19 Aug 1994 17:55:00 -0400 Received: by ukelele.GCR.COM (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qbbvI-000A8XC; Fri, 19 Aug 94 17:56 EDT Message-Id: From: bwilks@ukelele.GCR.COM (Bobby) Subject: mouseless S-550 To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 17:56:25 -0400 Cc: bwilks@ukelele.gcr.com (bobby wilks) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 467 Status: R hi.. i've since lost this important bit of esoterica :) what keys do i have to hold down at startup to coerce the S-550 into letting me run it without the mouse plugged in? thanks bobby ps--so happy to have found the W-30 reading mode via s550 hacker mode ! -- _-_-_-_--_--___--__---____-__--_--__----____-_-_---__--___-_-_______---_--__--- dream in the faint glow of dark matter bwilks@ukelele.gcr.com From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Aug 20 18:00:20 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Sat, 20 Aug 1994 18:00:02 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <78382-4>; Sat, 20 Aug 1994 17:59:58 -0400 Received: from xmission.com ([198.60.22.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <226>; Sat, 20 Aug 1994 17:47:02 -0400 Received: by xmission.com (4.1/Xmission/SMI-4.1) id AA04065; Sat, 20 Aug 94 15:46:05 MDT From: mgm@xmission.com (michael moncur) Message-Id: <9408202146.AA04065@xmission.com> Subject: Sample conversion - .WAV to s330, etc. To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (SGroup Post) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 1994 17:46:04 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 811 Status: R Hello Sgroup, if you're still out there. I recall some discussion a while back of conversion utilities for S330 samples... I ignored them at the time since I was using an Atari ST and most of the programs weren't available. I have a PC clone now, and I'd like to try this if possible. I have several .wav and .voc conversion utilities, and `sox', which appears to be able to change sampling rates and convert formats... But how do I convert one of those formats to S330 format? Also, could a few of you reply to this message just to let me know you got it? I'm not sure if my sgroup subscription is still sending to the right address. -- ~` michael moncur, BC, OEADM - mgm@xmission.com/mgm@world.std.com [X] fot#1 ~` "Life is divided into the horrible and the miserable." -- Woody Allen From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Aug 21 13:53:32 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Sun, 21 Aug 1994 13:53:29 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77258-3>; Sun, 21 Aug 1994 13:53:17 -0400 Received: from guardian.brooktree.com ([157.152.4.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Sun, 21 Aug 1994 13:43:18 -0400 Received: from btree.brooktree.com (btree.is.brooktree.com) by guardian.brooktree.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.10G/16.2) id AA187951074; Sun, 21 Aug 1994 10:44:34 -0700 Received: by btree.brooktree.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA241450882; Sun, 21 Aug 1994 10:41:22 -0700 From: Michael Eskin Subject: Reliable Sound Designer 2.5 to S550 transfer? To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Sun, 21 Aug 1994 13:41:22 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 982 Message-Id: <94Aug21.134318edt.111@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R I have been using Sound Designer 2.5 to edit and send samples to my S550 and have run into all kinds of "A communications problem occured" errors on about 75% of the transfers. I can't imagine this is normal, but I was hoping for either some verification that this is either a common occurence, or suggestions on how to correct the problem. My system configuration is: PowerBook Duo 250 12 Meg RAM in Duo Dock, Sound Accelerator II with Sound Tools Digital interface, S550 running version 1.15 system. Ideally, I would rather use a program like SDISK to just store the samples directly on an S550 disk, but it appears that operation is not currently supported by the Mac SDISK utilities. Does the DOS version of SDISK support this operation? Any other suggestions for reliable transfer of Sound Designer II samples to the S550 would be greatly appreciate as I have wasted huge amounts of time trying to solve this problem and have so far gotten nowhere. Regards, Michael Eskin From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Aug 21 15:47:05 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Sun, 21 Aug 1994 15:47:01 -0400 Received: from mail.infinet.com ([198.30.154.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Sun, 21 Aug 1994 15:38:01 -0400 Received: from david by mail.infinet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0qcIiV-000DLfC; Sun, 21 Aug 94 15:38 EDT Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Sun, 21 Aug 94 15:37:16 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Reliable Sound Designer 2.5 to S550 transfer? Date: Sun, 21 Aug 1994 16:37:16 -0400 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-ID: <0105009A.7q99c7@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R In Regards to your letter <94Aug21.134318edt.111@lotus.uwaterloo.ca>: > > I have been using Sound Designer 2.5 to edit and send samples to my S550 > and have run into all kinds of "A communications problem occured" errors > on about 75% of the transfers. I can't imagine this is normal, but I was > hoping for either some verification that this is either a common > occurence, or suggestions on how to correct the problem. > > My system configuration is: PowerBook Duo 250 12 Meg RAM in Duo Dock, Sound > Accelerator II with Sound Tools Digital interface, S550 running version > 1.15 system. What are you using for a MIDI interface? I'm using a Midi Time Piece and have found out that to avoid any communications problems that includes MIDI SYSEX use the 1 MHZ ASYNC mode. For the rest of the time I leave it in FAST 1X mode though. Hope this helps! David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 22 10:04:07 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 22 Aug 1994 10:04:01 -0400 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com ([130.13.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:49:27 -0400 Received: from lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com by uswat.advtech.uswest.com with SMTP id AA14728 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 22 Aug 1994 07:49:15 -0600 Received: from mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.35.186]) by lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (8.6.8.1/uswc-hub-V8.052394) with SMTP id HAA14160 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 1994 07:48:40 -0600 Received: by mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (uswc-generic.940224) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:48:39 -0400 From: Keith Lewis Message-Id: <9408221348.AA10331@mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Reliable Sound Designer 2.5 to S550 transfer? In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Michael Eskin ' dated: Sun, 21 Aug 1994 13:41:22 -0400 Status: R > I have been using Sound Designer 2.5 to edit and send samples to my S550 > and have run into all kinds of "A communications problem occured" errors > on about 75% of the transfers. I can't imagine this is normal, but I was > hoping for either some verification that this is either a common > occurence, or suggestions on how to correct the problem. > > My system configuration is: PowerBook Duo 250 12 Meg RAM in Duo Dock, Sound > Accelerator II with Sound Tools Digital interface, S550 running version > 1.15 system. > > Ideally, I would rather use a program like SDISK to just store the > samples directly on an S550 disk, but it appears that operation is not > currently supported by the Mac SDISK utilities. Does the DOS version of > SDISK support this operation? > > Any other suggestions for reliable transfer of Sound Designer II samples > to the S550 would be greatly appreciate as I have wasted huge amounts of > time trying to solve this problem and have so far gotten nowhere. > > Regards, > > Michael Eskin I use SDII 2.5 with an S-550 and it all seems to work fine. I did have a problem at first, but I discovered the SDII was sending the device ID offset by one, so the S-550 just ignored the requests to send or receive data. Once I set the ID in SDII one higher everything works. You also probably want to have both MIDI in and out connected for handshaking. I've also found that there needs to be a sample "space" created to send samples to the S-550. I just record a blank sample of the correct length in the S-550. I picked up my S-550 used and don't have a manual, but so far I've been able to get things going by trial and error (heavy on the error ). Another thing I just though of is extensions on the Duo. Sample dumps are pretty thick data steams, and if anything out there is messing up the timing you could get errors. Try removing all the extra stuff not needed and see if it improves performance. Also, don't run any MIDI thrus. Go direct to and from the S-550. It seems that most device's MIDI thru has some delay, some worse than others. Hope this helps, Keith Lewis From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 22 11:37:44 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:37:30 -0400 Received: from havoc.gtf.gatech.edu ([130.207.150.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <166>; Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:28:12 -0400 Received: by havoc.gtf.gatech.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) Message-Id: <94Aug22.112812edt.166@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> From: To: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:27:57 -0400 Status: R id m0qcbNg-000JiGC; Mon, 22 Aug 94 11:33 EDT Message-Id: From: data@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu (Mike Ashton) Subject: DJ-70 Buss To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:33:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 829 I mean "buzz"... sorry... Well, as per the request of David Roth, here's the news. Roth's tip was a good one, and much appreciated, but alas, the problem remained, and so we're thinking that there's a hardware problem and so into the shop it's going. I suppose I could've tried to fix it myself, but with no O-scope and no service manual, well, I like the DJ too much to play crazy doctor with its insides like that. If anyone wants, I'll keep 'em posted. My hunch is that they stuck bad capacitor values or something in at the factory, since it has apparently been buzzing ever since it was bought. Unfortunately, the original owner thought the buzz was inherent in the design, and let it go past the warranty deadline. (Sigh....) - Michael Ashton < Coming soon to this space: a spiffy new Signature! > From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 22 16:14:52 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:14:45 -0400 Received: from ccrb.engin.umich.edu ([141.211.163.28]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:05:44 -0400 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by ccrb.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id QAA22145; Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:05:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:05:22 -0400 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199408222005.QAA22145@ccrb.engin.umich.edu> To: data@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: dj 70 Status: R my dj 70 doesn't buzz when i load samples, but i don't ever load 770 samples Have uyou changed the pitch mode to 770? jk From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 23 10:00:48 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Tue, 23 Aug 1994 10:00:41 -0400 Received: from gw1.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:46:30 -0400 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA09504; Tue, 23 Aug 94 09:43:58 EDT From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: synth-l@auvm.american.edu, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wicker@physical.uncg.edu Received: from dspsun by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA15420; Tue, 23 Aug 94 09:40:47 EDT Received: by dspsun (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA14953; Tue, 23 Aug 94 09:40:46 EDT Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:40:46 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9408231340.AA14953@dspsun> Original-To: att!auvm.american.edu!synth-l, lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup, physical.uncg.edu!wicker Subject: Re: Roland W30 Status: R Hi Ray, I forwarded your request to the sgroup list - Roland Samplers Users Group. Hi Sgroupers, Can one of our W30 owners give Ray a hand? Bill Fox ============ > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:17:06 EST > From: att!AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU!owner-synth-l > Subject: Roland W30 > > I have a chance to pick up a Roland W30 workstation cheap! One > problem, there are no diskettes with the unit. What disks do I need > to boot this machine? Can anybody send me a copy of the operating > system and a couple of diskettes so that I can test it before I buy. > Any additional information about this keyboard will be VERY helpful. > > thanks, > > ray.... > > Ray Wicker Internet: wicker@physical.uncg.edu > Computer Systems Coordinator Phone: (910) 334-5684 > UNC-Greensboro Physical Plant > Greensboro, N.C. 27412 > > Standard Disclaimers Apply From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 23 16:11:56 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 23 Aug 1994 16:11:53 -0400 Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU ([147.9.1.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Tue, 23 Aug 1994 16:01:44 -0400 Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0422; Tue, 23 Aug 94 15:59:47 EDT Received: from american.edu (NJE origin RE5385A@AUVM) by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7316; Tue, 23 Aug 1994 15:59:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 15:51:47 -0400 From: Jazz Organization: The American University Subject: Re: W-30 To: Ray Wicker cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <94Aug23.160144edt.185@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Ray, I own a W-30, and I guess I am the pessimist in this group, in terms of this product. I personally own one, and I personally would not recommend that you buy one!! For the following reasons: LIMITED patch memory (1Mb) - I had dreams of combining multiple instruments in my sequences, and alas, all patches must have "like" tones for stuff to fit in memory. Frequent drop outs when playing back sequences. Pitch bender often disrupts sequence on playback. ...and other problems. In terms of disks, you only need the system disk. I have ver 1.02 - there may be an updated version. I'm not sure how I could get this to you, though. Let me know if you have further questions.... -Rob Everhart. RE5385A@american.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 23 19:43:38 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 23 Aug 1994 19:43:26 -0400 Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU ([147.9.1.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <186>; Tue, 23 Aug 1994 19:34:08 -0400 Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2238; Tue, 23 Aug 94 19:32:19 EDT Received: from american.edu (NJE origin RE5385A@AUVM) by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3534; Tue, 23 Aug 1994 19:32:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 19:28:56 -0400 From: Rob Organization: The American University Subject: Re: W-30 To: Osman cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <94Aug23.193408edt.186@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Osman, o.k, o.k, so I guess I am a bit cynical....but you have given me renewed hope, in terms of the potential for memory upgrade. Do you (or does anyone in the group) know of the dealer who provides this, and how much memory can be added? Also, could you email me the system disk, ver 1.06 as you mentioned? I would be receiving it on a DOS machine, so keep that in mind. My address to mail it to is: everhart@vortex.attmail.com. I would appreciate it!!! Thanks, -Rob