From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 5 09:10:34 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88174-1>; Tue, 5 Apr 1994 09:10:26 -0400 Received: from lise1.lise.unit.no ([129.241.36.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Tue, 5 Apr 1994 08:57:12 -0400 Received: from lise10 (lise10.lise.unit.no) by lise1.lise.unit.no with SMTP id (5.65c8/pvv-4.2-hybrid for ); Tue, 5 Apr 1994 14:56:50 +0200 Received: from localhost by lise10 ; Tue, 5 Apr 1994 14:56:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199404051256.AA02051@lise10> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S550lib bugfix update Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 08:56:48 -0400 From: jonjen@lise.unit.no X-Mts: smtp X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: R Hello S550lib users! I just found a bug in the S550lib database. Whenever you update a S550 data diskette, any changes done to tone names are not written onto the diskette. The reason why is a couple of debugging lines in the source code. I will release an bugfix version (ver 1.02) soon. I just thought that I should wait and see if anybody discovered more bugs. I'm sure that there are plenty more of them hanging around. Please let me know as soon as possible any suggestions for changes to the program as well as bug fixes and new features. My plans for ver. 2.00 are printing routines for printing reports from database, S-50 and possibly W-30 support, help system (don't ask why...), more patch types (which one do you want?), more searching routines and the ability to read disk updates from diskette into the database, not just the other way... I hope that someone found the program useful, at least I did... :-) Greetings from Norway, Jon Jenssen, jonjen@lise.unit.no From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 5 19:01:52 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88191-3>; Tue, 5 Apr 1994 19:01:48 -0400 Received: from lise1.lise.unit.no ([129.241.36.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Tue, 5 Apr 1994 18:55:01 -0400 Received: from lise14.lise.unit.no by lise1.lise.unit.no with SMTP id (5.65c8/pvv-4.2-hybrid for ); Wed, 6 Apr 1994 00:54:41 +0200 Received: from localhost by lise14.lise.unit.no ; Wed, 6 Apr 1994 00:54:40 +0200 Message-Id: <199404052254.AA17506@lise14.lise.unit.no> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Mail box crash! Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 18:54:39 -0400 From: jonjen@lise.unit.no X-Mts: smtp X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: R Hello everybody! If somebody has sent a mail to me since the 29th of march, please REPOST it. Our mail box system has had a serious crash, and lots of mail have disappeard. Greetings from Norway, Jon Jenssen, jonjen@lise.unit.no From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 03:56:16 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-2>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 03:56:10 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 03:49:43 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA26194; Thu, 7 Apr 94 00:49:37 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26191; Thu, 7 Apr 94 00:49:32 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA12830; Thu, 7 Apr 94 09:48:30 GMT Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 05:48:30 -0400 From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Message-Id: <9404070848.AA12830@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S50-MidiSampleDump? Status: R Hi, I'd like to know if it's possible to send and receive samples through midi with the S50. If anyone is interested and has MidiSampleStandard capable sampler and an Amiga, there is a program on Aminet which can do that. It's called MPMaster. Bye, Ivan From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 07:35:51 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 07:35:42 -0400 Received: from amazonas.cic.unb.br ([164.41.14.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 07:29:48 -0400 Received: by amazonas.cic.unb.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02994; Wed, 6 Apr 94 15:48:39 EST Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 16:48:39 -0400 From: zeppe@cic.unb.br (Zeppe) Message-Id: <9404061848.AA02994@amazonas.cic.unb.br> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: W-30 Hacker Mode Status: R How to enter W-30's Hacker Mode: Press twice to enter the "user setting mode". Then, while keeping pressed, press twice. After that, the sequencer menu will contain one more option named "Hacking tools". When executed, it will load hacker commands from the system disk. To see the ROM version, turn on the W-30 while pressing and Osman Giuseppe zeppe@cic.unb.br From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 07:41:51 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 07:41:45 -0400 Received: from amazonas.cic.unb.br ([164.41.14.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 07:35:27 -0400 Received: from madeira.cic ([164.41.14.3]) by amazonas.cic.unb.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02917; Wed, 6 Apr 94 15:14:57 EST Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 16:14:57 -0400 From: zeppe@cic.unb.br (Zeppe) Message-Id: <9404061814.AA02917@amazonas.cic.unb.br> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: W-30 ROM version Status: R The way to see the W-30 ROM Version is: Turn on the W-30 while pressing the "tempo" and "F1" buttons and you'll see the following message before and atop the system disk version message: W-30 ROM VER 1.03 [01/21] (This is my ROM's version) Osman Giuseppe Zeppe@cic.unb.br From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 09:49:30 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-1>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 09:49:26 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77996-1>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 09:49:16 -0400 Received: from central.picker.com ([144.54.31.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 09:43:14 -0400 Received: from ct.picker.com by central.picker.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0pou91-0004tIC; Thu, 7 Apr 94 09:29 EDT Received: from kayak.ct.picker.com by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21427; Thu, 7 Apr 94 09:29:41 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 09:29:41 -0400 From: shermane@ct.picker.com (Sherman) Message-Id: <9404071329.AA21427@ct.picker.com> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S50-MidiSampleDump? Status: R > From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) > > Hi, > > I'd like to know if it's possible to send and receive samples through midi > with the S50. My S550 doesn't, so I suspect the S50 doesn't either. Do any of the operating system upgrades I here about on this list add this feature (to the S50 or the S550)? > If anyone is interested and has MidiSampleStandard capable sampler and an > Amiga, there is a program on Aminet which can do that. It's called MPMaster. > > Bye, > Ivan > I'm very interested in that! Can you tell me more about the program? Do you have it? If it only does MidiSampleStandard and source is available, maybe we could make a Roland version. Mike From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 10:41:26 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 10:41:19 -0400 Received: from USARSO-LAN1.ARMY.MIL ([146.49.1.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 10:35:48 -0400 Received: by USARSO-LAN1.ARMY.MIL with VINES ; Thu, 7 Apr 94 10:39:20 EDT Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 10:34:34 -0400 From: FSU-PCB%FSU%USARSO@USARSO-LAN1.ARMY.MIL Subject: Converting MT-2000 files to *.mid (PC) and back To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Message-Id: <94Apr7.103548edt.111@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Hi, I've got an Roland MT-2000 sequencer that writes *.rsd and *.rsc files to a standard IBM formatted floppy. I'd like to know if there is a programs that can convert these files to *.mid or *.wrk to be able to edit them with my PC. I know I can transfer them over the MIDI cables, but it's a tough job to do. HEEEELP... Thanks.... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 11:13:22 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 11:13:11 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 11:07:05 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA07206; Thu, 7 Apr 94 08:06:42 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07203; Thu, 7 Apr 94 08:06:36 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA18523; Thu, 7 Apr 94 17:05:34 GMT Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 13:05:34 -0400 From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Message-Id: <9404071605.AA18523@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S50-MidiSampleDump? Status: R Mike, MPMaster is on aminet sites in /pub/aminet/mus/midi/MPMaster.lha. The best aminet site is 128.252.135.4 anonymous anonymous. It has been done by a spanish guy, information on this guy is stored in the archive. In the docs, the guy says MPMaster can send/receive samples through a MIDI interface connected to the Amiga. Problem is you must have a sampler which can do Standard MIDI Sample Dumps, and I fear my S50 cannot. The only sampler mentioned in the docs is the Yamaha SY85. Once you receive the sample data, you can store it on Hard Drive in IFF or RAW format. No source is provided in the archive, only binary. You could try to contact the guy and ask him for source code. Tonight, I was thinking about a program which could: - Read an S50/S550/W30 etc floppy contents (but by making the read/write routines modular this could be adapted to loads of samplers) - Store samples on Amiga's HD in some format (maybe SDS ?) - Play samples in SDS format through Amiga Hardware (I think it could convert 16/12 bit samples to 8 bit on the fly, for example) - Let you select samples stored on HD and write them on floppy in S50/S550/W30 etc format. I thought about this program because the thing I find most frustrating about S50 is that I have to "try" samples in songs and to do this I have to: - find the disk on which the sound is. - load the sound into S50 from floppy - listen to it in the song - restart from first point if I don't like the sound. This can be very long and in the end, I get bored and stop playing/composing. If I'd have a program like the above one, I could: - listen to how the samples sound from the Amiga - when I get a few sounds I think are suitable for the song I want to make, create a sampler disk and load it directly in the S50. - Save lot of space (by keeping samples on HD instead of floppies) - Save time for art, not for technology :) Further more, samples could be re-worked with some software like Samplitude (which demo is on aminet too, and seems very good). Now, we know the disk format of S50/W30 etc. The big question is: would you be able and have time and want to write such a wonderful program ? Bye, Ivan ============================================================================ = E-mail: borzieri@olivea.ATC.olivetti.com = Ex quite happy programmer, = = = now unhappy PCB Router. = = "Life is quite never as you would like." = = ============================================================================ = Commodore Amiga 1200, Microbotics XA1230 accelerator with 68030 @ 50 Mhz,= = no FPU, 2+4 Megs Ram, 120 Megs HD. = ============================================================================ = MIDI Setup: Roland D5 Synth, Roland S50 Sampler, Yamaha TX81Z Expander. = ============================================================================ From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 14:41:21 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 14:41:11 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <78401-3>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 14:41:03 -0400 Received: from amazonas.cic.unb.br ([164.41.14.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 14:34:45 -0400 Received: by amazonas.cic.unb.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01964; Thu, 7 Apr 94 15:36:23 EST Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 16:36:23 -0400 From: zeppe@cic.unb.br (Zeppe) Message-Id: <9404071836.AA01964@amazonas.cic.unb.br> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: more W-30 Hacker mode Cc: zeppe@cici.unb.br Status: R To enter W-30 Hacker mode: Press twice to enter "user setting" mode. While pressing , press twice quickly. The Hacker mode is on now. To quit Hacker mode, do the above procedures again. In the "Sequencer menu" window now appears two more choices: 7. Block Hacker 8. Hacking tools In the "Jump to screen" window now appears four new choices: 63. Block using 64. Block tracer 65. Block show 66. Hacking tools In the "FD Format" window now appears three new choices: 3. Hack system 4. Hack save util 5. Hack save sys In the "micro edit" window appears a new information on top. I don't know exactly what each new choice make, I'm still trying to discover. If someone will have a new information please tell me. I'll be very glad. To see the ROM version, while pressing and turn on the W-30, and it will appear in the screen. Osman Giuseppe zeppe@cici.unb.br From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 15:14:45 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 15:14:33 -0400 Received: from inthehat.engin.umich.edu ([141.212.64.29]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 15:08:29 -0400 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by inthehat.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id PAA19241; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 15:08:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 15:08:12 -0400 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199404071908.PAA19241@inthehat.engin.umich.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, shermane@ct.picker.com Subject: Re: S50-MidiSampleDump? Status: R I would like to find any utility that can emulate/read sample data from Roland disks into my amiga, not necesarily MIDI. jk From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 18:53:22 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 18:53:20 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <156>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 18:46:03 -0400 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 18:14:02 -0400 Received: from remora.MorningStar.Com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/94011701) id AA21521; Thu, 7 Apr 94 18:13:15 -0400 Received: by remora.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93052901) id AA06456; Thu, 7 Apr 94 18:12:36 -0400 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Thu, 7 Apr 94 17:49:10 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S550 librarian uploaded to incoming. Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 18:49:10 -0400 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.sju0m1@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R In Regards to your letter <94Mar29.112249est.88171-2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>: > > Jon Jenssen's S550 librarian is now available on lotus.uwaterloo.ca, > in pub/sgroup/utilities/s550lib.{README,zip} > > Thanks Jon! > Anyone working on a Mac version of it? Also, has there been any updates to SMAC (SAMDISK for the Mac) ? Thanks in advance, David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 22:56:45 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 22:56:39 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <156>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 22:50:40 -0400 Received: from inthehat.engin.umich.edu ([141.212.64.29]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 22:24:31 -0400 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by inthehat.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id WAA22458; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 22:24:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 22:24:11 -0400 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199404080224.WAA22458@inthehat.engin.umich.edu> To: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S50-MidiSampleDump? Status: R I second the motion for this program! I also have a 1200 and I want to be qabto read Roland sample disks on my Amiga! jk From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 7 23:25:01 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88183-1>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 23:24:59 -0400 Received: from owl.INS.CWRU.Edu ([129.22.8.26]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 23:19:41 -0400 Received: (aa699@localhost) by owl.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.8.1+cwru/CWRU-2.0-bsdi) id XAA10941; Thu, 7 Apr 1994 23:19:20 -0400 (from aa699) Message-Id: <199404080319.XAA10941@owl.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 23:19:20 -0400 From: aa699@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Thomas) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-550/330 Converter Reply-To: aa699@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Thomas) Status: R It should be possibile for someone to write a program to download S-550 files to a computer and convert them to Sample Dump Standard format. I remember Digidesign Sound Tools did this on the Atari. -- aa699@Cleveland.Freenet.EDU - TONY THOMAS - The Thomas Group Integrated Communications Solutions SIGop Audio Arts SIG - Cleveland FreeNet From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Apr 8 15:47:41 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Fri, 8 Apr 1994 15:47:30 -0400 Received: from isgate.is ([130.208.165.63]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 8 Apr 1994 15:40:03 -0400 Received: from rvik.ismennt.is by isgate.is (5.65c/ISnet/14-10-91); Fri, 8 Apr 1994 19:39:14 GMT Received: by rvik.ismennt.is (16.8/ISnet/11-02-92); Fri, 8 Apr 94 19:40:51 GMT From: rhf@ismennt.is (Rikhardur H Fridriksson) Message-Id: <9404081940.AA02151@rvik.ismennt.is> Subject: Re: S50-MidiSampleDump?[& S-550] To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 15:40:51 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 773 Status: R >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to know if it's possible to send and receive samples through >> midi with the S50. > My S550 doesn't, so I suspect the S50 doesn't either. > Do any of the operating system upgrades I here about on this list add > this feature (to the S50 or the S550)? Sure they do. The problem is that you can't initiate the dumps by pushing front panel buttons. You have to send commands through Midi. Sound Designer II is one program that does this on a Mac. You can do this yourself if you can decode the SysEx instructions in the back of the manual, make procedures to deal with Roland's handshake protocol during transfer and find a way to calculate Rolands not-too-common way of calculating checksums. Good luck, Rikhardur H. Fridriksson From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Apr 9 01:08:37 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Sat, 9 Apr 1994 01:08:26 -0400 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Sat, 9 Apr 1994 01:02:34 -0400 Received: from remora.MorningStar.Com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/94040804) id AA06966; Sat, 9 Apr 94 01:01:29 -0400 Received: by remora.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93052901) id AA08703; Sat, 9 Apr 94 01:01:03 -0400 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Sat, 9 Apr 94 00:43:07 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S330 Hacker Mode Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 01:43:07 -0400 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.snakr2@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R Dear sgroupers (S-330 owners especially), Below is old e-mail about using the Hacker mode on the S-330 to read W-30 disks. Since I just obtained a W-30 disk I wanted to use on my S-330 I became more interested in all this. The follow comments from my experience I wish to add to the benefit of others, and perhaps get some of my own questions answered too: I did as was described below and I was able to read the W-30 disk on my S-330. I started to load one Tone at a time and then some patches and then decided that, "hey, if it can do this, why can't I just get out of this message and simply execute a LOAD SET?". So I reboot the S-330 and got back to where I was before. Then I executed a LOAD SET after entering Hacker mode and it read the W-30 disk without any problem including the disk label! So far so good. After doing so I saved the disk to a new floppy. I then loaded from my newly created S-330 disk and everything seemed to be fine, even the patches worked. However, I wasn't able to read the last three tones. The contained noise like it was read some junk in memory(?). I don't have a W-30 so I didn't have the original source to compare things to and I don't know about this disk or the W-30. If someone else has had this kind of experience please let me know. Another thing I wanted to add to the instructions below. I believe the Roland Sampler manual asks you not to turn the system on while a floppy disk is in the drive. I also found out that you don't need to follow this in order to get hacker mode to work. Hope this helps! David david@roth-music.com In Regards to your letter <9309221917.AA16269@rosalind>: > > I don't remember who wanted the S330 hacker information, but here's what > I saved from those discussions. > > Bill Fox > ================================================== > > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:12:16 EDT > > Sender: "Electronic music \"gearhead\" list" > > From: dennis barton <70531.2124@COMPUSERVE.COM> > > Subject: s330 hacker mode > > > > Since there is lot of talk of hacking your sampler OS.. > > I don't know why you might want to know this.. It seems dangerous to play > > with it.. but here is the way to get to hacker mode on a s330. Obviously I > > can claim no reponsibilities for you screwing up your sampler. Just passing > > along what little info I have.. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > turn power on with UTIL disk inserted (I use version 1.03) > > hit: Mode, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, Execute > > hit: DownArrow, Execute, Excecute > > hit: Menu, Dec/No, Submenu > > Now it says "hacker mode tone map" (I have no idea what this means..) > > hit: Mode, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, Execute > > You now have more choices on the UTIL menu... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I am quite curious what this hacker tone map you'll see is.. > > I haven't experimented with this much so please fill me and the list in on > > any discoveries! > > > > Dennis (70531.2124@compuserve.com) > > > > From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) > > Subject: S550 reads W-30 > > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) > > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 09:35:00 -0400 > > > > I just want to clarify the point I was making about the S-550 and S-330 > > reading W-30 disks in "Hacker Mode". There is no "Read W-30 Disk" menu option > > that appears in the pull-down menu while in "Hacker Mode". What you do > > is select the normal disk menu in the S-550 and S-330 and select either > > "Load Tone" or "Dir Tone" from the normal disk menu. Then you simply pop > > a W-30 disk in the S-550 or S-330 disk drive and the W-30 disk will be > > read by the S-550 or S-330. In non-hacker mode (normal mode) on the S-550 > > or S-330, the screen would come up and say "Insert S-550 disk" when you > > tried to load tones from a W-30 disk, in "Hacker Mode" it WILL read the W-30 > > disks and the screen will come up and say "W-30 Sound and Song Data Disk" > > while loading. This allows you to load the individual tones (samples) from > > a W-30 disk into the S-550 and then save them to a S-550 disk. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. > > 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 > > UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 > > internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw > > HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Apr 9 01:14:27 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-3>; Sat, 9 Apr 1994 01:14:18 -0400 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <186>; Sat, 9 Apr 1994 01:07:59 -0400 Received: from remora.MorningStar.Com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/94040804) id AA06972; Sat, 9 Apr 94 01:01:56 -0400 Received: by remora.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93052901) id AA08716; Sat, 9 Apr 94 01:01:32 -0400 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Sat, 9 Apr 94 00:46:14 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: davidw@krf.com Subject: Re: Roland news !! Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 01:46:14 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.snaql4@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R In Regards to your letter : > > Jim Norman just called me again to tell me that Roland is going > to give us (sgroup) the entire S-550 and S-50 sample library disks > to put on lotus ftp site. This way, Roland is able to refer any > Roland sampler user's around the world to us at lotus. He said since > Roland is going on-line on CompuServe in about 2 weeks, he wants to know how > we could get CompuServe tied into the sgroup. I told himn CompuServe is > on the Internet and we could have e-mail go thru CompuServe to non_internet > Roland users. Roland is apparantly very keen now on interacting with the > sgroup as a resource. Who knows, maybe we'll all get jobs with Roland ?? Have this developed any further? Have they sent the entire Roland disk library to anyone to be placed on an FTP site? David david@roth-music.com From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Apr 9 18:15:38 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Sat, 9 Apr 1994 18:15:34 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77770-3>; Sat, 9 Apr 1994 18:15:23 -0400 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Sat, 9 Apr 1994 17:58:31 -0400 Received: from remora.MorningStar.Com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/94040804) id AA15285; Sat, 9 Apr 94 17:57:35 -0400 Received: by remora.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93052901) id AA09662; Sat, 9 Apr 94 17:57:09 -0400 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Sat, 9 Apr 94 17:55:19 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: artcrrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu Subject: Re: S330 Hacker Mode Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 18:55:19 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.sp7463@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: RO In Regards to your letter : > > Yes, I could read W30 disks after the hacker mode was enabled, but I > think you have to load them from a different option than just normal load > (from the Utility disk I think?). Do you think that explains why some of the last samples seem to have been trashed? Do you have or know of someone who has had success with this so I can specific instructions? I can't help from wondering if this hacker mode is documented in perhaps a Roland hardware manual. > Also, if you have access to a > computer, there is a way to change the header info of a W30 disk so it > can be read by the S330 anytime, even when you're not in hacker mode. I > used this process on all of my W30 disks and it worked on every one. It > just beats having to go through the hassle of getting into hacker mode > all the time. I am using Apple Macintoshs and have Norton Disk Utilitites so I could edit raw blocks of data on disk if I knew where it needs to be edited and what needs to be done. David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Apr 11 09:47:12 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 09:47:10 -0400 Received: from isgate.is ([130.208.165.63]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 09:34:06 -0400 Received: from rvik.ismennt.is by isgate.is (5.65c/ISnet/14-10-91); Mon, 11 Apr 1994 13:33:34 GMT Received: by rvik.ismennt.is (16.8/ISnet/11-02-92); Mon, 11 Apr 94 13:35:09 GMT From: rhf@ismennt.is (Rikhardur H Fridriksson) Message-Id: <9404111335.AA07226@rvik.ismennt.is> Subject: Re: S50/S550 Midi Sample Dump To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 09:35:09 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1965 Status: R > By reading what somebody wrote in this group, it seems that Dumping of > Samples is possible on S50 and S550, but they do not let you do it form > the panel. Yes, that was me. > So, what would be the exact command to make the S50 dump it's samples > through MIDI ? I'd like to experiment, as I have somewhere a little > utility to send MIDI messages. Sorry, there is no one exact command. You have to request data and simultateously specify an address. The exact command to start the whole thing is 41H, which has then to be accompanied by 4 bytes of address and four bites of size (the length of the wave) and checksum. At the same time the program is receiving the data, it has to send acknowledge messages for (probably) every packet it receives from the sampler (Roland's dreadful "handshake" protocol, very reliable but problematic to program). Nobody is going to do this without _a_lot_ of information from the manual, and even with that present, decoding what the manual says. No wonder you can't find any S50/S550 editors/librarians around. Not even the pros have been able to make it work reliably. Perhaps you could hack something together on your own, but if you value your time more than $0.02 per hour, you would be saving money by buying Sound Designer II or Alchemy. > I'll take a look at my manual, but I doubt that I will find anything, as > Roland has the bad habit of translating only a part of its manulas in > italian, and I remember in the D5 manual the MIDI stuff was missing. This may sound slightly sarcastic, but in this case you should consider it a blessing. It saves you time to make music instead of spending days and weeks doing something that probably won't work. If you need some SysEx info from the manual, write me and I'll see what I can come up with. Not for Sample dumps though. For them I'd need to copy a number of pages from the manual for all that's needed for them. Rikhardur H. Fridriksson From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Apr 11 10:01:53 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 10:01:44 -0400 Received: from inthehat.engin.umich.edu ([141.212.64.29]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <193>; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 09:47:03 -0400 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by inthehat.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id JAA22905; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 09:36:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 09:36:31 -0400 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199404111336.JAA22905@inthehat.engin.umich.edu> To: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S50/S550 Midi Sample Dump Status: R I see that you have an Amiga 1200, and I am going to purchase a sequencer for my 1200, and I was wondering if you have a sequencer, or if you could recommend a good one for amigas. jk From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 12 07:59:19 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 07:59:16 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77372-3>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 07:59:05 -0400 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 07:24:25 -0400 Received: from banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.8/UniDo 2.0.14) id LAA03246; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:52:27 +0200 Message-Id: <9404120952.AA26543@banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA26543; Tue, 12 Apr 94 11:52:26 +0200 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-50 MIDI DUMP Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 05:52:26 -0400 From: Frank Hoffmann (pg221) Status: R The roland sampler have some address based dump system. If you want data from the sampler you have to request a memory location plus a length of the data. Frank Hoffmann From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 12 08:28:50 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 08:28:48 -0400 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <192>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 07:58:44 -0400 Received: from banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.8/UniDo 2.0.14) id LAA03148; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:45:34 +0200 Message-Id: <9404120945.AA26487@banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA26487; Tue, 12 Apr 94 11:45:33 +0200 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Amiga (Re: J.H.Kimble) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 05:44:35 -0400 From: Frank Hoffmann (pg221) Status: R Hi, >I second the motion for this program! I also have a 1200 and I want >to be qabto read Roland sample disks on my Amiga! I do not know a program allowing to get the sample data from a Roland sampler disk, but you can simply copy, read disks with the Amiga OS (Trackdisk Device). This can also be used to read and write samdisks. But you can not extract the samples without knowledge of the datastrukture of the sampler disks. >I see that you have an Amiga 1200, and I am going to purchase a >sequencer for my 1200, and I was wondering if you have a sequencer, >or if you could recommend a good one for amigas. At the monment there are some good for the amiga. But you should try them by yourself. My favourite is Dr.Ts KCS. But Music-X 2.0 and Bars & Pipes Pro are also good ones. Try to ask the amiga.audio newsgroup for this. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 12 09:01:07 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 09:00:57 -0400 Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl ([192.87.5.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <193>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 08:44:45 -0400 Received: from HUTSUR by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-12 #3330) id <01HB35NVA6TC002LUJ@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 12:20:12 +0200 (MET-DST) Received: from cetis.hut.nl by HUT.NL (PMDF V4.2-14 #6495) id <01HB35HRTJKW000AXD@HUT.NL>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 12:15:16 GMT +0100 Received: from CETIS-FS/MAILQUEUE by cetis.hut.nl (Mercury 1.11); Tue, 12 Apr 94 12:12:23 GMT+1 Received: from MAILQUEUE by CETIS-FS (Mercury 1.11); Tue, 12 Apr 94 12:11:47 GMT+1 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 08:11:38 -0400 From: Johan Pater Subject: Re: more W-30 hacker mode To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Message-id: <10BB15275EC@cetis.hut.nl> Organization: Hogeschool Utrecht / Cetis X-Envelope-to: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Status: R > 66. Hacking tools In here you will find some things like testing the tones in the memory and changing the W30 system (another) and testing the keys. Also there is a function called reboot but that didn't work for me. > In the "FD Format" window now appears three new choices: > > 3. Hack system > 4. Hack save util > 5. Hack save sys What do these functions do ????, because i'v tried number 3 and my w30 started to format my system disk which didn't work ofcourse > In the "micro edit" window appears a new information on top. That's I think the adres in memory of the position your at. Does someone know if there are more patches for the W30 then the ones that are at lotus... ???? Also the file w30110.zip didn't work for me i don't if someone else has tested it (i'm very new at this list) ???? Isn't there a newer version of the system which will work without a hard disk or CD rom player or MIDI interface ???? -- ->: See ya, Johan Pater -- Johan Pater ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cetis | | Centre for Educational Technology, Innovation and Stafftraining | | at the 'Hogeschool Utrecht' University for Vocational Education | ------------------------------------------------------------------- | INTERNET : JPATER@CETIS.HUT.NL | PO-BOX 573 | | FAX : (+31) (0)30-368180 | 3500 AN UTRECHT | | PHONE : (+31) (0)30-308117 | THE NETHERLANDS (EUROPE)| ------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 12 10:36:52 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 10:36:43 -0400 Received: from msu.edu ([35.8.2.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <200>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 10:20:20 -0400 Received: from MSU.BITNET by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6360; Tue, 12 Apr 94 10:19:18 EDT Received: by MSU (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 5177; Tue, 12 Apr 94 10:19:17 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 10:17:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: "Randy.Robb" Subject: W30 system disk (Re:W30 Hacker) Message-Id: <94Apr12.102020edt.200@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R I asked this question twice before, and I believe that both the sdisk and the samdisk programs do not copy the correct info the system disk needs. No one has responded in the past that they have successfully downloaded and converted a W30 system disk. In fact I have tried both programs on my present system disk (creating an image of my system, saving it to a file, and recreating it on a new floppy) and the new system disk DID NOT WORK! I would be glad to work on the program if I could have access to the source code. I would even write a windows based version... Randy From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 12 11:03:28 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:03:24 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77748-3>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:03:21 -0400 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com ([130.13.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <201>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 10:48:14 -0400 Received: from lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com by uswat.advtech.uswest.com with SMTP id AA19026 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 12 Apr 1994 08:47:32 -0600 Received: by lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (uswc-dns.940311) Tue, 12 Apr 94 08:42:58 MDT Received: by mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (uswc-generic.940224) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 10:42:58 -0400 From: Keith Lewis Message-Id: <9404121442.AA21215@mover.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: W-30 system disk Status: R I have been able to create a W-30 system disk, but I think I used the Mac version SMAC. I know I've use the DOS version, samdisk I think, to create sample disks, but now that I have a Mac version I don't touch DOS much. I wonder if there is a functional difference in the way SMAC archives the data, but it should be the same as the W-30 system I downloaded was created on a DOS system with sdisk or samdisk. Maybe you got a bad download. I can't remember now where I got the W-30 system, but I have in the past downloaded some files that were not functional after unpacking. Keith From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 12 11:39:23 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:39:20 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77748-1>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:39:10 -0400 Received: from msu.edu ([35.8.2.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <202>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:22:42 -0400 Received: from MSU.BITNET by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7683; Tue, 12 Apr 94 11:22:27 EDT Received: by MSU (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 0891; Tue, 12 Apr 94 11:22:26 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:19:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.Uwaterloo.ca From: "Randy.Robb" Subject: W-30 system disk In-Reply-To: The letter of Tuesday, 12 April 1994 11:07am ET Message-Id: <94Apr12.112242edt.202@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R I don't know if the downloading for the W3 was corrupt or not, but that still doesn't explain why I can't use either program on my system disk. I have successfully downloaded sounds from the lotus site, so I know the s programs are working properly for that purpose. I do have access to a Mac, so maybe I should try the transparency test on that first, then try to download the W30 system again. I did try to get the new system by using a Mac before, but maybe that didn't work because the W30 system that was downloaded was corrupt! Thanks for your reply. Randy From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 12 12:14:01 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 12:13:49 -0400 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <203>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 12:04:59 -0400 From: gjm@research.att.com Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:59:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Cc: fhoffman@banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Subject: Re: Amiga (Re: J.H.Kimble) Message-Id: <94Apr12.120459edt.203@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Frank Hoffmann writes: >... But you can not extract the samples without knowledge of >the datastrukture of the sampler disks. The data structure of the Roland 12-bit sampler disks has been available on lotus since May 1992. Ftp get: pub/sgroup/utilities/disk-tools.shar pub/sgroup/utilities/rs12.h -Gary From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Apr 11 05:47:44 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 05:47:42 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77211-4>; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 05:47:33 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 05:35:52 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA21295; Mon, 11 Apr 94 02:35:36 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21278; Mon, 11 Apr 94 02:35:33 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA13181; Mon, 11 Apr 94 11:34:33 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 07:34:33 -0400 From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Message-Id: <9404111034.AA13181@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S50/S550 Midi Sample Dump Status: RO By reading what somebody wrote in this group, it seems that Dumping of Samples is possible on S50 and S550, but they do not let you do it form the panel. So, what would be the exact command to make the S50 dump it's samples through MIDI ? I'd like to experiment, as I have somewhere a little utility to send MIDI messages. I'll take a look at my manual, but I doubt that I will find anything, as Roland has the bad habit of translating only a part of its manulas in italian, and I remember in the D5 manual the MIDI stuff was missing. Ivan ============================================================================ = E-mail: borzieri@olivea.ATC.olivetti.com = Ex quite happy programmer, = = = now unhappy PCB Router. = = "Life is quite never as you would like." = = ============================================================================ = Commodore Amiga 1200, Microbotics XA1230 accelerator with 68030 @ 50 Mhz,= = no FPU, 2+4 Megs Ram, 120 Megs HD. = ============================================================================ = MIDI Setup: Roland D5 Synth, Roland S50 Sampler, Yamaha TX81Z Expander. = ============================================================================ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Apr 11 05:59:44 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 05:59:37 -0400 Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com ([198.4.9.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <192>; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 05:47:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.4/5.930129sam) id FAA02225; Mon, 11 Apr 1994 05:46:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 05:44:37 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Roland email address is: Message-ID: <940411094437_70531.2124_FHH5-3@CompuServe.COM> Status: RO FYI, To contact Roland US online: 72662.376@compuserve.com This is for US residents only! (They are very picky about this) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Apr 12 18:02:18 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88185-3>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 18:02:12 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca ([192.54.242.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <199>; Tue, 12 Apr 1994 17:53:51 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA23214; Tue, 12 Apr 94 17:51:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 16:47:32 -0400 From: Mark Subject: Information on Sample Format's Wanted! To: Sampler Groups , emax@foobar.hpl.hp.com, k2000.jyu.fi@mach1.wlu.ca, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R I am compiling a detailed FAQ of _ALL_ of the different types of sampler's disk and sample formats. If you have any information, or know of someone who may, please contact me via email. I have checked all of the FTP sites for information. The purpose of the FAQ is to have in one document all of the information needed to write sample-conversion software. Thanks. -Mark -- "Key chuckles. 'If Skinny Puppy, in terms of the movie _Alien_, is a chest-burster, then Doubting Thomas is more of a face-hugger,' he informs, as if that were an explanation." -Keyboard, Jan '92 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 02:12:14 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 02:12:10 -0400 Received: from linus.socs.uts.EDU.AU ([138.25.8.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 02:06:32 -0400 Received: by linus.socs.uts.EDU.AU id AA11500 (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:05:44 +1000 Received: by kralizec.zeta.org.au (5.67/1.37) id AA06861; Wed, 13 Apr 94 08:21:02 +1000 From: carrot@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Nic Grant) Message-Id: <9404122221.AA06861@kralizec.zeta.org.au> Subject: Re: W30 system disk (Re:W30 Hacker) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 18:20:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <94Apr12.102020edt.200@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> from "Randy.Robb" at Apr 12, 94 10:17:00 am X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} I asked this question twice before, and I believe that both the sdisk and the => samdisk programs do not copy the correct info the system disk needs. No one => has responded in the past that they have successfully downloaded and converted => a W30 system disk. In fact I have tried both programs on my present system => disk (creating an image of my system, saving it to a file, and recreating it => on a new floppy) and the new system disk DID NOT WORK! I would be glad to work => on the program if I could have access to the source code. I would even write a => windows based version... => => Randy => => I have responded to this question numerous times. This is the last. The W30 OS version on lotus is corrupt. There is nothing wrong with either the samdisk or sdisk programs. The Mac versions are OK. Don't ask me why. Again, I have asked someone with a Mac to kindly un-hqx all the mac versions on lotus, email them to me uuencoded which I would then be happy to put on lotus in DOS form. One person tried, but his mailer kept on destroying the uu-encoding and eventually he gave up. My apologies for being so curt, but I am a little fed up that lots of people try the W30 (or any other OS, except the S700 which I fixed on lotus :-)) post to the group, I respond with a suggestion (follows) and then I hear nothing until the next person tries it. In summary: 1) Please try formatting the W30 diskette in the W30 before using samdisk/sdisk. If anyone has tried this and it did not work, please post to the group. This is the advice I give to the above problem. So far no responses to about 7 queries... 2) Anyone with a Mac who could uuencode the hqx versions, (un hqx'ed) please do so and I will arange for lotus to be updated. For what it's worth, sdisk/samdisk merely read and write the disk sectors to/from the diskette. Any copy program will do this :-) Kind Regards, Nic. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 02:22:14 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 02:22:00 -0400 Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.64.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 02:15:51 -0400 Received: from mama.research.canon.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA27443 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:15:28 +1000 Received: from john.research.canon.oz.au by mama.research.canon.oz.au with SMTP id AA21584 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:10:37 +1000 Received: by john.research.canon.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11631; Wed, 13 Apr 94 16:10:36 EST Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 17:10:36 -0400 From: david@research.canon.oz.au (David White) Message-Id: <9404130610.AA11631@john.research.canon.oz.au> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: s330 hacker mode Status: R Hi, I have a w30 and a friend has an s330. So we'd like to swap disks. I've been reading all of this mail about the s330 hacker mode but nobody (as far as I can tell) has actually mentioned how you get into it on th s330 (I know how to on my w30). Could someone please enlighten me? Thanks in advance, David. David White | david@research.canon.oz.au CAE Systems Administrator | Canon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone +61-2-805-2916 PO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113 | Fax +61-2-805-2929 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 10:25:45 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-1>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 10:25:36 -0400 Received: from msu.edu ([35.8.2.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 10:18:49 -0400 Received: from MSU.BITNET by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2646; Wed, 13 Apr 94 10:18:38 EDT Received: by MSU (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 6048; Wed, 13 Apr 94 10:18:38 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 10:18:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.Uwaterloo.ca From: "Randy.Robb" Subject: Re: W30 system disk (Re:W30 Hack In-Reply-To: The letter of Wednesday, 13 April 1994 7:58am ET Message-Id: <94Apr13.101849edt.185@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R I did what was suggested, formating a diskette on the W30, then use the samdisk program. This did not work. I even did a dos disk compare for the original diskette (of the operating system) and the copy, and it said they were identical! Yet the copy didn't work! Has anyone else tried this and gotten this result? Could it be that my w30 is messed up, or is Roland writing something to a different area unseen by dos? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 10:58:16 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 10:58:06 -0400 Received: from lise1.lise.unit.no ([129.241.36.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 10:52:42 -0400 Received: from lise10 (lise10.lise.unit.no) by lise1.lise.unit.no with SMTP id (5.65c8/pvv-4.2-hybrid for ); Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:52:25 +0200 Received: from localhost by lise10 ; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:52:21 +0200 Message-Id: <199404131452.AA22862@lise10> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S550lib ver 1.1 uploaded. Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 10:52:20 -0400 From: jonjen@lise.unit.no X-Mts: smtp X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: R S550lib users! Version 1.10 of the S550lib program has been uploaded to lotus. It is in the directory: /pub/sgroup/utilities and the filename is: s550lib.lib (should be renamed to s550lib.zip as it is a zip-file...) To upgrade, simply unpack the zip-file into your old s550lib directory, that's it and that's that. No conversion of the database file is necessery. The new version will use it as is. New features are: - An edit disk dialog window, allowing the user to edit sampler disks without adding them to the database. This greatly simplifies the work of naming the patches and tones of a sampler disk you don't want to register in the database. - Help system added. Don't ask why... - Disk update functions enhanced. Now you can select either to update the data in the database from the data on the disk, or update the data on the disk from the data in the database. - A bug is fixed. (Now, S550lib also updates tone names on sampler disks...) Please, mail any comments and/or suggestions for new features to me. (S-50 sampler support will soon be available, W-30 as well) (I hope..) (Also I hope to enable s550lib to do sampler data conversions...) Greetings from Norway, Jon Jenssen. --------------------------------------------- jonjen@lise.unit.no From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 03:56:57 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 03:56:55 -0400 Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl ([192.87.5.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 03:51:15 -0400 Received: from HUTSUR by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-12 #3330) id <01HB4ETUNOLS004AOY@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 09:53:08 +0200 (MET-DST) Received: from cetis.hut.nl by HUT.NL (PMDF V4.2-14 #6495) id <01HB4ESVY41C000C2M@HUT.NL>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 09:52:20 GMT +0100 Received: from CETIS-FS/MAILQUEUE by cetis.hut.nl (Mercury 1.11); Wed, 13 Apr 94 9:49:18 GMT+1 Received: from MAILQUEUE by CETIS-FS (Mercury 1.11); Wed, 13 Apr 94 9:48:45 GMT+1 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 05:48:44 -0400 From: Johan Pater Subject: Re: more W-30 hacker mode To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-id: <1214FAF59ED@cetis.hut.nl> Organization: Hogeschool Utrecht / Cetis X-Envelope-to: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Status: R > 66. Hacking tools In here you will find some things like testing the tones in the memory and changing the W30 system (another) and testing the keys. Also there is a function called reboot but that didn't work for me. > In the "FD Format" window now appears three new choices: > > 3. Hack system > 4. Hack save util > 5. Hack save sys What do these functions do ????, because i'v tried number 3 and my w30 started to format my system disk which didn't work ofcourse > In the "micro edit" window appears a new information on top. That's I think the adres in memory of the position your at. Does someone know if there are more patches for the W30 then the ones that are at lotus... ???? Also the file w30110.zip didn't work for me i don't if someone else has tested it (i'm very new at this list) ???? Tried every possible way so couldn't someone ftp the mac version of the w30 system disk and convert it to a dos disk or something like that ???? I've got an other program that's called teledisk (only dos) this will read and write your w30 disks to HD or FD. This saves up a lot of space. A normal 720Kb FD would be about 300 Kb on your HD. I've tried this also with the new system of the W30 but that didn't work. Teledisk uses the extension td0, so i copied the system to a file with this extention but that didn't work. So if someone could PLEASE HELP ME HERE CAUSE I'M REALLY GETTING LOST HERE !!!! MAYBE SOME W30 USERS WHO AREN'T SCARED TO STEP INTO THE LIGHT ..... Isn't there a newer version of the system which will work without a hard disk or CD rom player or MIDI interface ???? -- ->: See ya, Johan Pater -- Johan Pater ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cetis | | Centre for Educational Technology, Innovation and Stafftraining | | at the 'Hogeschool Utrecht' University for Vocational Education | ------------------------------------------------------------------- | INTERNET : JPATER@CETIS.HUT.NL | PO-BOX 573 | | FAX : (+31) (0)30-368180 | 3500 AN UTRECHT | | PHONE : (+31) (0)30-308117 | THE NETHERLANDS (EUROPE)| ------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 12:41:43 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88175-2>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:41:34 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:35:17 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88175-3>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:30:54 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: jonjen@lise.unit.no, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S550lib ver 1.1 uploaded. Message-Id: <94Apr13.123054edt.88175-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:30:51 -0400 Status: R | Version 1.10 of the S550lib program has been uploaded to lotus. It is | in the directory: | | /pub/sgroup/utilities | | and the filename is: | | s550lib.lib (should be renamed to s550lib.zip as it is a zip-file...) Sorry - the silly name was my fault - fixed. John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 14:56:56 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 14:56:45 -0400 Received: from ENH.NIST.GOV ([129.6.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 14:50:49 -0400 Received: from sugoi.nist.gov by ENH.NIST.GOV (PMDF V4.2-13 #4653) id <01HB4P5PGTOG004J0K@ENH.NIST.GOV>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 14:48:57 EDT Received: from mozart.nist.gov by sugoi.nist.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02422; Wed, 13 Apr 94 14:49:30 EST Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 15:49:30 -0400 From: CLOUGH@ENH.NIST.GOV (Roger Clough) Subject: Samplevision (Turtle Beach) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Errors-to: john@sugoi.nist.gov Reply-to: CLOUGH@ENH.NIST.GOV Message-id: <9404131949.AA02422@sugoi.nist.gov> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: R After a rough start, I got Samplevision loading and dumping my Roland S220 sampler to my PC hard disk. The price has dropped to $99 and I bought it on the street for $85. I works swell, and can handle just about any sampler, including all of the Roland ones (It lists them by group. the S10, MKS100, and S220 use one type of driver, and the S50, S330,and S550 another. One undocumented word of warning: apparently the drivers are misnamed in the current version (Ver.2.02) and if you have a S220 as I do, you have to install it as an S10. I don't know what you do for the others, except to try them and if a structure menu doesn't drop down when you ask to send, try another driver. The reason I know this is that after an incredible amount of time unsuccessfully fumbling around with their tech support hot-line to get it to work, I finally shipped my Roland S220 to Turtle Beach and they discovered their error.) You can do some slick loop editing and filtering, spectrum analyzing and other tricks in the graphical editor. It also has a software program that will convert digidesign (MAC) files to their format. For the FAQ, the manual gives the format for their own *.smp files, which unfortunately uses the 16-bit Intel format (one word per sample, least significant word first, least significant byte first) which I am trying to implement. I think this means that 1E2G hexadecimal is stored on disk as G2E1? The program will read just about any file as long as you start with their header, and upon saving it, the end part is correctly added. I am at present trying to create my own waveforms mathematically. So far I have had no trouble loading them into the Roland from my PC via Samplevision, and they play, but they sound screachy because I haven't gotten the Intel format cracked yet. (Anybody out there care to send me a few lines of C code for this? In turn I'll supply everyone with a sample program in C to create your own waveform files that Samplevision will read and send to your Roland sampler (any type). Roger Clough From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 15:36:13 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 15:36:03 -0400 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com ([146.225.8.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <192>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 15:29:39 -0400 Received: from gaea.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA13018 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:29:12 -0700 Received: from scorch.synopsys.com by gaea.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA00341 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:29:04 -0700 Received: by scorch.synopsys.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19187; Wed, 13 Apr 94 12:29:04 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 15:29:04 -0400 From: jhm@Synopsys.COM (John McCartney) Message-Id: <9404131929.AA19187@scorch.synopsys.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: QD source? Status: R Does anyone know of a source *other than* Roland for QuickDisks? Their price seems a bit high, but I can't find anyplace that's even *heard* of them, though I've been told that they're also used in some makes of laptop computers... Help! scorch From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 18:29:03 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:28:52 -0400 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <193>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:22:55 -0400 Received: from relay2.macom.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwlmv07697; Wed, 13 Apr 94 18:19:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9404132219.AAwlmv07697@relay2.UU.NET> Received: from quickset.macom.com by relay2.macom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01979; Wed, 13 Apr 94 18:15:04 -0400 Received: from technet.macom.com by quickset.macom.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA28955; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:14:03 -0400 Received: by technet.macom.com (15.11/15.6) id AA25634; Wed, 13 Apr 94 18:12:29 edt From: Keith Barkley Subject: re: QD source? To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:12:28 -0400 Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: R I have found that Smith-Corona used them in some of their word- processors. Check in large Office Supply Stores: Office Depot, Staples... They have them with all the other Smith-Corona Supplies. I fond them 2 to a white-silver-grey plastic sack for about $8 US. They call them data disks, but they look and work like the QD's we all know and love. -- Keith Barkley | M/A-COM PHO (310)320-6160 x316 keith@technet.macom.com | 1742 Crenshaw Blvd, Torrance CA 90501 "I believe in coincidences. They happen all the time. But I don't trust coincidences." Garak ST:DS9 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 18:45:34 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:45:24 -0400 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.107]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <194>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:40:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id PAA27587; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 15:40:52 -0700 From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) Message-Id: <199404132240.PAA27587@mail.netcom.com> Subject: What is phone number for Roland? To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (S-550 Group) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:40:50 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 503 Status: R Anyone have a phone number for Roland? I want to find out detailed information about the Roland RAP-10 soundcard. Thanks in advance -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 22:13:58 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 22:13:51 -0400 Received: from linus.socs.uts.EDU.AU ([138.25.8.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <195>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 22:07:34 -0400 Received: by linus.socs.uts.EDU.AU id AA03438 (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:06:30 +1000 Received: by kralizec.zeta.org.au (5.67/1.37) id AA18176; Thu, 14 Apr 94 08:11:25 +1000 From: carrot@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Nic Grant) Message-Id: <9404132211.AA18176@kralizec.zeta.org.au> Subject: Re: W30 system disk (Re:W30 Hack To: RROBB@msu.edu (Randy.Robb) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 18:11:22 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <94Apr13.101849edt.185@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> from "Randy.Robb" at Apr 13, 94 10:18:00 am X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} I did what was suggested, formating a diskette on the W30, then use the => samdisk program. This did not work. I even did a dos disk compare for the => original diskette (of the operating system) and the copy, and it said they => were identical! Yet the copy didn't work! Has anyone else tried this and => gotten this result? Could it be that my w30 is messed up, or is Roland writing => something to a different area unseen by dos? => Thank you for doing this. It does seem that only the W30 seems to have this problem. It could well be that this sampler has some hidden extras on the disk structure that low level format even doesn't know about. However, someone recently claimed success using a Mac. Maybe this machine can also duplicate this hidden information where DOS cannot. I suspect that our W30 members with DOS are probably in for some disappointment. :-( Nic. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 22:34:39 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 22:34:27 -0400 Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.64.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <196>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 22:28:38 -0400 Received: from mama.research.canon.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA23944 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:28:14 +1000 Received: from john.research.canon.oz.au by mama.research.canon.oz.au with SMTP id AA01362 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 14 Apr 1994 10:04:04 +1000 Received: by john.research.canon.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13373; Thu, 14 Apr 94 10:04:04 EST Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 11:04:04 -0400 From: david@research.canon.oz.au (David White) Message-Id: <9404140004.AA13373@john.research.canon.oz.au> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: s330 hacker mode Status: R Hi, I have a w30 and a friend has an s330. So we'd like to swap disks. I've been reading all of this mail about the s330 hacker mode but nobody (as far as I can tell) has actually mentioned how you get into it on th s330 (I know how to on my w30). Could someone please enlighten me? Thanks in advance, David. David White | david@research.canon.oz.au CAE Systems Administrator | Canon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone +61-2-805-2916 PO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113 | Fax +61-2-805-2929 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 13 22:45:10 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 22:45:05 -0400 Received: from metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.64.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <197>; Wed, 13 Apr 1994 22:39:21 -0400 Received: from mama.research.canon.oz.au by metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU with MHSnet id AA26108 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:38:09 +1000 Received: from john.research.canon.oz.au by mama.research.canon.oz.au with SMTP id AA02575 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 14 Apr 1994 11:31:07 +1000 Received: by john.research.canon.oz.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13628; Thu, 14 Apr 94 11:31:06 EST Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:31:06 -0400 From: david@research.canon.oz.au (David White) Message-Id: <9404140131.AA13628@john.research.canon.oz.au> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: W30 & KW30 OS Status: R Hi, I've been following various discussions in sgroup about the W30 OS extensions that support CDROM etc. So, here's what I know aboput the subject. Roland have an upgrade for the W30 called the KW30 upgrade. The kit includes a SCSI chip, a new version of the OS and a manual update. The OS is called KW30 OS, not W30 OS. Roland Corp. Australia say that the current version of the KW30 OS is 1.07. The manual update explains how to use hard disks and CDROMs with the W30. I have this upgrade in my W30. I have 3x40MByte and 2x20Mbyte hard disks attached. One of the 40Mbyte drives I have installed inside the machine (not a job for the faint hearted as Roland have made no provision for this inside the case). This makes it a very usable workstation for live work as well as studio work. From hard disk it only takes about 20 seconds to load the data equivalent to 1 floppy. I noticed that someone has been monitoring Compuserv for the latest Roland OS updates. I would appreciate it if someone could let me know if there is a later version of the KW30 OS than 1.07 (one with some of the bugs fixed would be nice). I hope that this info helps. BTW, a 20M hard disk holds 16 "areas" which is eqivalent to 16 floppies. The 40M holds 32 areas. David. David White | david@research.canon.oz.au CAE Systems Administrator | Canon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone +61-2-805-2916 PO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113 | Fax +61-2-805-2929 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 14 09:03:32 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Thu, 14 Apr 1994 09:03:23 -0400 Received: from ENH.NIST.GOV ([129.6.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Thu, 14 Apr 1994 08:54:19 -0400 Received: from sugoi.nist.gov by ENH.NIST.GOV (PMDF V4.2-13 #4653) id <01HB5R08W7V4004W5Y@ENH.NIST.GOV>; Thu, 14 Apr 1994 08:52:37 EDT Received: from mozart.nist.gov by sugoi.nist.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02460; Thu, 14 Apr 94 08:53:09 EST Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 09:53:09 -0400 From: CLOUGH@ENH.NIST.GOV (Roger Clough) Subject: Samplevision To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Errors-to: john@sugoi.nist.gov Reply-to: CLOUGH@ENH.NIST.GOV Message-id: <9404141353.AA02460@sugoi.nist.gov> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: R Some people have asked me for Turtle Beach's phone number. Please understand that I have no connection with them, I'm no salesman. You can reach them in York, PA at 717-767-0200. There are a number of discount software places you can find in magazines like Electronic Musician and Keyboard. One, although I haven't tried them, is Disk-Count Software at 800-448-6658, which has a S&H fee of $4 per order. The latest version of Samplevision is ver. 2.02. I got my copy at a local place called Washington Music Center in Wheaton MD for $85, but they really aren't a mail order place. Thanks for the advice that the Intel format is just what a PC uses anyway, that I shouldn't have to do anything special, I'm trying that. -Roger Clough From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 14 12:45:18 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:45:10 -0400 Received: from husc8.harvard.edu ([128.103.25.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:37:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:37:27 -0400 From: henrik@husc.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9404141637.AA10382@husc8.harvard.edu> To: jhm@Synopsys.COM, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: QD source? Status: R You can get them from Maxell, and from Smith-Corona (their typewriters use them). I used to buy them at Lechmere (a dept. store near us in Boston) for about $2/disk, as opposed to the $4/disk most people want for them. larry... From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 14 12:50:49 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:50:45 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77132-2>; Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:50:42 -0400 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com ([146.225.8.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:45:10 -0400 Received: from gaea.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA29085 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 14 Apr 1994 09:41:07 -0700 Received: from scorch.synopsys.com by gaea.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA00168 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 14 Apr 1994 09:41:05 -0700 Received: by scorch.synopsys.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25050; Thu, 14 Apr 94 09:41:04 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:41:04 -0400 From: jhm@Synopsys.COM (John McCartney) Message-Id: <9404141641.AA25050@scorch.synopsys.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: QD source? Status: R Ok, ok, no more! Thanks for the pointers (*all* of you :^) I found them at the local Office Max @ 2 for $5.95 - a lot better than the 10 for $50 listed in the Roland info (which is a few years old anyway, so it's probably higher!) Thanks scorch From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Apr 16 15:16:10 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-2>; Sat, 16 Apr 1994 15:16:06 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <189>; Sat, 16 Apr 1994 15:03:49 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA21188 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Sat, 16 Apr 1994 15:02:32 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA27874; Sat, 16 Apr 94 15:02:31 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA02772; Sat, 16 Apr 94 15:02:31 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9404161902.AA02772@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Samplevision files To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 15:02:30 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 501 Status: R Since the number of SampleVision owners is growing, maybe we should start swaping files instead of disks, no? It would make formats compatibility a lot easier. SV owners should indicate this for possible swaps. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Apr 18 08:57:54 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-2>; Mon, 18 Apr 1994 08:57:50 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <78007-2>; Mon, 18 Apr 1994 08:57:40 -0400 Received: from ENH.NIST.GOV ([129.6.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Mon, 18 Apr 1994 08:42:07 -0400 Received: from sugoi.nist.gov by ENH.NIST.GOV (PMDF V4.2-13 #4653) id <01HBBBR2HZSG004D8J@ENH.NIST.GOV>; Mon, 18 Apr 1994 08:40:51 EDT Received: from mozart.nist.gov by sugoi.nist.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03090; Mon, 18 Apr 94 08:41:17 EST Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 09:41:17 -0400 From: CLOUGH@ENH.NIST.GOV (Roger Clough) Subject: Repeat of message on Samplevision To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Errors-to: john@sugoi.nist.gov Reply-to: CLOUGH@ENH.NIST.GOV Message-id: <9404181341.AA03090@sugoi.nist.gov> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: R I APOLOGIZE IF YOU ALREADY GOT THESE MESSAGES BUT THE NET SENT THEM BACK AS UNDELIVERED 1) After a rough start, I got Samplevision loading and dumping my Roland S220 sampler to my PC hard disk. The price has dropped to $99 and I bought it on the street for $85. I works swell, and can handle just about any sampler, including all of the Roland ones (It lists them by group. the S10, MKS100, and S220 use one type of driver, and the S50, S330,and S550 another. One undocumented word of warning: apparently the drivers are misnamed in the current version (Ver.2.02) and if you have a S220 as I do, you have to install it as an S10. I don't know what you do for the others, except to try them and if a structure menu doesn't drop down when you ask to send, try another driver. The reason I know this is that after an incredible amount of time unsuccessfully fumbling around with their tech support hot-line to get it to work, I finally shipped my Roland S220 to Turtle Beach and they discovered their error.) You can do some slick loop editing and filtering, spectrum analyzing and other tricks in the graphical editor. It also has a software program that will convert digidesign (MAC) files to their format. For the FAQ, the manual gives the format for their own *.smp files, which unfortunately uses the 16-bit Intel format (one word per sample, least significant word first, least significant byte first) which I am trying to implement. I think this means that 1E2G hexadecimal is stored on disk as G2E1? The program will read just about any file as long as you start with their header, and upon saving it, the end part is correctly added. I am at present trying to create my own waveforms mathematically. So far I have had no trouble loading them into the Roland from my PC via Samplevision, and they play, but they sound screachy because I haven't gotten the Intel format cracked yet. (Anybody out there care to send me a few lines of C code for this? In turn I'll supply everyone with a sample program in C to create your own waveform files that Samplevision will read and send to your Roland sampler (any type). Roger Clough 2) Some people have asked me for Turtle Beach's phone number. Please understand that I have no connection with them, I'm no salesman. You can reach them in York, PA at 717-767-0200. There are a number of discount software places you can find in magazines like Electronic Musician and Keyboard. One, although I haven't tried them, is Disk-Count Software at 800-448-6658, which has a S&H fee of $4 per order. The latest version of Samplevision is ver. 2.02. I got my copy at a local place called Washington Music Center in Wheaton MD for $85, but they really aren't a mail order place. Thanks for the advice that the Intel format is just what a PC uses anyway, that I shouldn't have to do anything special, I'm trying that. -Roger Clough /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\/\/\ 3) PS I haven't been successful at reading and writing the *.smp format even with the above advice I also think we ought to set up a Samplevision Library of sounds. -Roger Clough From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 20 12:39:58 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-2>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 12:39:51 -0400 Received: from YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu ([130.132.21.136]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 12:28:45 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3604; Wed, 20 Apr 94 12:27:58 EDT Received: from YaleVM.CIS.Yale.edu (NJE origin GORTON@YALEVM) by YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3235; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 12:27:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 12:11:52 -0400 From: rob gorton Organization: Yale University Subject: this is great To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <94Apr20.122845edt.111@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R As an S-550 owner I was delighted to discover your existance. I have some questions but they may hinge on the answer to the first one: How can I deCOMPRESS the .Z files. I am FTPing through the Yale IBM mainframe (VM/CMS) and downloading to my Mac. Access to a Unix machine is possible but problematic. -rag From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 20 14:45:27 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88175-2>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 14:45:18 -0400 Received: from siri1.siri.unit.no ([129.241.20.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 14:34:19 -0400 Received: from siri8.siri.unit.no by siri1.siri.unit.no with SMTP id (5.65+/1.2); Wed, 20 Apr 94 20:33:53 +0200 From: Thomas Hammer Received: by siri8.siri.unit.no ; Wed, 20 Apr 94 20:33:51 +0200 Message-Id: <9404201833.AA09052@siri8.siri.unit.no> Subject: Re: this is great To: GORTON@YaleVM.CIS.Yale.edu (rob gorton) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 14:33:50 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <94Apr20.122845edt.111@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> from "rob gorton" at Apr 20, 94 12:11:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 746 Status: R > > As an S-550 owner I was delighted to discover your existance. I have some > questions but they may hinge on the answer to the first one: How can I > deCOMPRESS the .Z files. I am FTPing through the Yale IBM mainframe (VM/CMS) > and downloading to my Mac. Access to a Unix machine is possible but > problematic. > -rag > If you have access to an IBM :(or softPC) ftp to ugle.unit.no (at my university) in the dir. /pub/msdos/arctool you'll need comp430d.lzh and (unfortunately) lha213.exe to decompress the .lzh file. Read the .doc-file in comp430d These programs are probably available for the mac somewhere (maybe even at ugle, didn't have time to check) Hope this'll help. :) Thomas Hammer thammer@siri.unit.no From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 20 15:06:29 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-1>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:06:18 -0400 Received: from ENH.NIST.GOV ([129.6.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 14:57:10 -0400 Received: from sugoi.nist.gov by ENH.NIST.GOV (PMDF V4.2-13 #4653) id <01HBEHG1U8WG0055U9@ENH.NIST.GOV>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 14:56:09 EDT Received: from mozart.nist.gov by sugoi.nist.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03369; Wed, 20 Apr 94 14:56:43 EST Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:56:43 -0400 From: CLOUGH@ENH.NIST.GOV (Roger Clough) Subject: Digidesign or Samplevision files To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Errors-to: john@sugoi.nist.gov Reply-to: CLOUGH@ENH.NIST.GOV Message-id: <9404201956.AA03369@sugoi.nist.gov> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: R 1) Anybody know where I can find Digidesign or Samplevision files (Samplevision will convert Digidesign files) to load my Roland sampler with from the hard disk? 2) What about setting up a sound file folder for users of these programs? -Roger Clough From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 20 15:58:58 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88175-2>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:58:52 -0400 Received: from gw1.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:51:51 -0400 Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA16295; Wed, 20 Apr 94 15:48:06 EDT From: wbf@aloft.att.com (william.b.fox) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from bianca by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M3.1) id AA28407; Wed, 20 Apr 94 15:47:45 EDT Received: by bianca (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA17138; Wed, 20 Apr 94 15:47:42 EDT Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:47:42 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9404201947.AA17138@bianca> Original-To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: this is great Status: R > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 12:11:52 -0400 > From: att!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner > Organization: Yale University > Subject: this is great > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > > As an S-550 owner I was delighted to discover your existance. I have some > questions but they may hinge on the answer to the first one: How can I > deCOMPRESS the .Z files. I am FTPing through the Yale IBM mainframe (VM/CMS) > and downloading to my Mac. Access to a Unix machine is possible but > problematic. > -rag Hi rag, (What's your name?) I don't know if this will work, but some ftp sites will automatically uncompress .Z files for you if you specify their names without the .Z suffix. Ex: Instead of saying "get file.Z" saying "get file" will get the file already uncompressed. Try it and let us know if it works. Bill Fox wbf@aloft.att.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Apr 20 23:31:01 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88194-3>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 23:30:54 -0400 Received: from mailgate.prod.aol.net ([192.203.190.181]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Wed, 20 Apr 1994 23:24:28 -0400 Received: by mailgate.prod.aol.net (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17300; Wed, 20 Apr 94 23:21:39 -0400 From: trevorg242@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "trevorg242" Message-Id: <9404202321.tn106338@aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 23:21:36 -0400 Subject: Introduction Status: R Hello everyone. Since I just joined the group I figured that I would introduce myself. My name is Trevor George and I work as a System Analyst/Programmer in New York City. As a hobby I enjoy listening to and creating industrial and alternative music. I have been using my Commodore Amiga as a sampler for years. When I saw a closeout sale on the Roland DJ-70 I couldn't pass it up. I've been told that it is the same as a Roland S-750. I'm still waiting for the store I got it from to get the manual for me so I'm not quite sure. The one thing I know is that the S-550 files that I've gotten from the ftp site work just fine! Is there anyone else out there with a DJ-70? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 04:59:11 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 04:58:59 -0400 Received: from mumrik.nada.kth.se ([130.237.223.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 04:51:05 -0400 Received: by mumrik.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA27146; Thu, 21 Apr 94 10:50:50 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 04:50:50 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9404210850.AA27146@mumrik.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, trevorg242@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction Status: R > When I saw a closeout sale on the Roland DJ-70 I couldn't pass > it up. I've been told that it is the same as a Roland S-750. I'm The main problem is taht you can't expand it to more than 4 MB memory :-( > I'm not quite sure. The one thing I know is that the S-550 files > that I've gotten from the ftp site work just fine! Is there anyone else Yes; that's a good thing about the 7XXs. However, the 550 samples are only 12-bit, and are not at 48 kHz, so you're losing out on some of the potential in the instrument. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 05:07:41 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 05:07:34 -0400 Received: from inthehat.engin.umich.edu ([141.212.64.29]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 04:58:53 -0400 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by inthehat.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id EAA08680; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 04:56:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 04:56:57 -0400 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199404210856.EAA08680@inthehat.engin.umich.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, trevorg242@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction Status: R Well your in the same boat as me, I started with an Amiga, and then bought a DJ-70 as well! it's 6:00 am so I just replied in brief Email me though. jk jkimble@engin.umich.edu From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 10:26:27 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-3>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 10:26:19 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <78005-1>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 10:26:10 -0400 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 10:20:43 -0400 Received: from banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.8/UniDo 2.0.14) id QAA16758; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 16:20:29 +0200 Message-Id: <9404211420.AA09003@banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA09003; Thu, 21 Apr 94 16:20:27 +0200 To: trevorg242@aol.com Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, fhoffman@banach.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Subject: Re: Introduction In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 20 Apr 1994 23:21:36 EDT." <9404202321.tn106338@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 10:20:26 -0400 From: Frank Hoffmann (pg221) Status: R Hey Trevor I am useing a S-750. I program on Amiga. I make and like industrial music. Perhaps you want discuss some things. I am a little bit busy today, drop me a mail if you are interested. Ciao, Frank Hoffmann From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 11:45:42 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 11:45:34 -0400 Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu ([128.8.73.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <182>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 11:40:04 -0400 Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA25863 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 21 Apr 1994 11:39:34 -0400 Received: by rac1.wam.umd.edu id AA25565 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for Roland Sampler Group ); Thu, 21 Apr 1994 11:39:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 11:39:03 -0400 From: Mark Bastian Subject: This is great! To: Roland Sampler Group Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Hi all! I'm new to the group and thought I'd introduce myself. I'm a student & part time Windows programmer though I have a mac myself. I own an S-550 which I don't really use very often and have been trying to sell. (Probably still would if someone was interested). But what I'd REALLY like to do is hook up a hard disk to it. It has the SCSI interface, and I have the HD software, but one time I borrowed a 20MB SCSI from a friend, hooked it all up and it DIDN'T WORK! The sampler did not even know it was there. When I asked Roland, they mumbled something about it only working with a Sony mechanism... so I got a little turned off. Does anyone out there have a hard disk hooked up? What brand is it? Do I have to buy one from some music store (and pay a fortune) or can I get one through a computer products supplier? Mark From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 14:01:04 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:00:56 -0400 Received: from mailgate.prod.aol.net ([192.203.190.181]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <183>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 13:50:01 -0400 Received: by mailgate.prod.aol.net (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03922; Thu, 21 Apr 94 13:44:35 -0400 From: trevorg242@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "trevorg242" Message-Id: <9404211344.tn10562@aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 13:44:32 -0400 Subject: Amiga and S-550 disks Status: R Is the source code for any of the PC programs for reading Roland format disks available. It seems like there would be a demand for such a program since I'm not the only Amiga user out here. I've never written any Ami programs to read disks of another format but maybe I could manage it working from source code. My amiga only has a double density drive so I woundn't be able to use DJ-70 formatted disks but I'd be willing to give S-550 disks a shot. Trevor George From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 14:33:25 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:33:22 -0400 Received: from mlb.engin.umich.edu ([141.211.163.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:27:18 -0400 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by mlb.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id OAA07923; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:26:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:26:56 -0400 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199404211826.OAA07923@mlb.engin.umich.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, trevorg242@aol.com Subject: Re: Amiga and S-550 disks Status: R I would be real grateful for any type of interface with my amiga. I tried using sam2tone on a mac, and then using apple file exchange to save on an IBM disk and then from there use crossdos on my amiga to read the disk, but I don't think it worked because the DJ-70 is 16 bit and sam2tone is for 12-bit grrrr! All that trouble and nothing. How did you download the 550 disks? did you put them on a blank disk, or what because I have no way to format a disk to 550 with my DJ-70 and I haven't seen any utilities to do this on a computer, so how did you get the samples to the DJ-70? thoroughly confused and angry at Commodore. thanks jk From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 14:54:17 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:54:11 -0400 Received: from motgate.mot.com ([129.188.136.100]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:46:31 -0400 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA29863; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 13:46:25 -0500 Received: from comm.mot.com (il02dns1.comm.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA11633; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 13:46:21 -0500 Received: from ecs.comm.mot.com by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA10213; Thu, 21 Apr 94 13:46:18 CDT Received: by ecs.comm.mot.com ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA27188; Thu, 21 Apr 94 13:45:07 CDT Received: by cc83 ( 5.52 (84)/5.17) id AA06308; Thu, 21 Apr 94 13:46:20 CDT From: michaeld@comm.mot.com (Michael Dvorkin) Message-Id: <9404211846.AA06308@cc83> Subject: S-10 for sale To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:46:18 -0400 Cc: synth-l@american.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 189 Status: R Hi all, anybody wants to buy my S-10??? It's in very good condition... plus I have about 60 disks for it.... I'd like to get $450 for it.... Thanks Mike PS. reach me via e-mail From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 19:40:13 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 19:39:59 -0400 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 19:31:28 -0400 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-940224-08:05) id AA11147; Thu, 21 Apr 94 20:31:13 ADT Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-940126-11:10) id AA16462; Thu, 21 Apr 94 20:31:12 ADT Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 19:31:10 -0400 From: scott dhomas trenn / Scott Wilkie Subject: Re: Amiga and S-550 disks To: john hamilton kimble Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, trevorg242@aol.com In-Reply-To: <199404211826.OAA07923@mlb.engin.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, john hamilton kimble wrote: > thoroughly confused and angry at Commodore. It doesn't make much sense to be angry at Commodore. It doesn't really have anything to do with them. I believe I have something already for the Samplers and the Amiga. I will look. It has been awhile since I converted stuff, since there seems to be no new samples available in S550 format. I have been working with other sample formats converted to S550, more recently, and so I will have to look back and see what I was doing. Contact me directly at the below address... dhomas **************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: wilkie@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca * ** ** **************************************************************************** From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 20:18:56 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-3>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 20:18:54 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <78053-2>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 20:18:50 -0400 Received: from inthehat.engin.umich.edu ([141.212.64.29]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 20:10:53 -0400 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by inthehat.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id UAA14319; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 20:10:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 20:10:35 -0400 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199404220010.UAA14319@inthehat.engin.umich.edu> To: jkimble@engin.umich.edu, wilkie@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca Subject: Re: Amiga and S-550 disks Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, trevorg242@aol.com Status: R Oh I'm just angry at Commodore for being such a lazy unsupportive company, and letting amiga get passed by the wayside. I should have put a ":)". jk From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 21 23:28:45 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-3>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 23:28:39 -0400 Received: from mailgate.prod.aol.net ([192.203.190.181]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <182>; Thu, 21 Apr 1994 23:22:01 -0400 Received: by mailgate.prod.aol.net (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26552; Thu, 21 Apr 94 23:19:09 -0400 From: trevorg242@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "trevorg242" Message-Id: <9404212317.tn32145@aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 23:17:02 -0400 Subject: S550 to DJ-70 Status: R Hello S-group, it's Trevor again. To all those who were curious about getting S-550 disks to a DJ-70 with an Amiga... well I didn't use an Amiga for that. I used my IBM compatible with sdisk. I didn't have to format the floppy. Sdisk seemed to have formatted it as it read the S-550 file I downloaded. The only thing is that I had to use a double density disk to make it work. It didn't work with high density. I then used the DJ-70 convert load option and then took a nap. The conversion took a looooong time. I guess it has to convert 12 bit to 16 bit. You might be able to get it to work on an Amiga with one of those PC-emulators. There is no convert load function for the 750,770 so I think that it must be the same format. There is an option that says use 750/770 setup (or something like that). I can't wait till I get a manual. Figuring this out without one is very tricky. From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Apr 22 03:38:47 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-1>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 03:38:33 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <78109-4>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 03:38:27 -0400 Received: from mailgate.prod.aol.net ([192.203.190.181]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <183>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 03:28:51 -0400 Received: by mailgate.prod.aol.net (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25740; Fri, 22 Apr 94 03:26:04 -0400 From: trevorg242@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "trevorg242" Message-Id: <9404220326.tn39231@aol.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 03:26:03 -0400 Subject: DJ-70 reading S-550 Status: R >Subj: Re: S550 to DJ-70 >Date: 94-04-22 03:19:04 EDT >From: rmayo@tradenz.geis.com >To: TrevorG242 > >Reply to item 7140611 from TREVORG242@A INTERNET >GATEWAY sent on 94/04/22 11:17 > >So you mean that you can't just stick an S550 disk in the DJ-70 >and load it >up? You have to go through a PC? What's sdisk? Where can I get it >from? > >Rob Yes you can just stick an S550 disk in the DJ-70 and load it. Sdisk is a program on lotus.uwaterloo.ca that lets you read and write Roland sample disks on a PC. Using this program you can download sample disks (also located on the same site) write then to S550 disks and then load them into a DJ-70 (or more logically into an S550. I've had a great time playing with these sample disks. They've given me lots of idea on ways to arrange samples into patches. Trevor George From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Apr 22 05:56:29 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-3>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 05:56:23 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <186>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 05:47:28 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA12001; Fri, 22 Apr 94 02:47:24 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11998; Fri, 22 Apr 94 02:47:18 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA28567; Fri, 22 Apr 94 11:46:13 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 07:46:13 -0400 From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Message-Id: <9404221046.AA28567@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Do u own an Amiga ? Status: R Just curious to know ... how many Amiga users are in this group ? Which MIDI software do they use ? Is there anybody who can upload/download samples from/to their sampler and the Amiga ? ============================================================================ = E-mail: borzieri@olivea.ATC.olivetti.com = Ex quite happy programmer, = = = now unhappy PCB Router. = = "Life is quite never as you would like." = = ============================================================================ = Commodore Amiga 1200, Microbotics XA1230 accelerator with 68030 @ 50 Mhz,= = no FPU, 2+4 Megs Ram, 120 Megs HD. = ============================================================================ = MIDI Setup: Roland D5 Synth, Roland S50 Sampler, Yamaha TX81Z Expander. = ============================================================================ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Apr 22 07:13:55 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-3>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 07:13:45 -0400 Received: from ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl ([131.211.32.68]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <187>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 07:05:24 -0400 Received: from ruund2.fys.ruu.nl by ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl with SMTP id AA23407 (5.65b+/IDA-1.4.3); Fri, 22 Apr 94 13:01:47 +0200 Received: by ruund2.fys.ruu.nl id AA06315 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 22 Apr 1994 13:00:04 +0200 From: Wilfried van Sark Message-Id: <199404221100.AA06315@ruund2.fys.ruu.nl> Subject: Re: Do u own an Amiga ? To: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 07:00:04 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9404221046.AA28567@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> from "Ivan Borzieri" at Apr 22, 94 07:46:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 767 Status: R WvS > Just curious to know ... how many Amiga users are in this group ? WvS > Which MIDI software do they use ? Hi, I own an Amiga 500, with 1 MB ram and run KCS on it. WvS > Is there anybody who can upload/download samples from/to their sampler and WvS > the Amiga ? No, I can't. -- Bye ==TheWilf== aka Wilfried G.J.H.M. van Sark, (email: vansark@fys.ruu.nl) w w Utrecht Univ., Dept. of Atomic and Interface Physics, w w w P.O. Box 80000, 3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands. w w (tel: +31 - 30 533173) (fax: +31 - 30 543165) "Anything CAN be music, but it doesn't BECOME MUSIC until someone WILLS it to be music, and the audience listening to it decides to PERCEIVE IT AS MUSIC" Frank Zappa in "The Real Frank Zappa book" (1989). From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Apr 22 11:03:01 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-3>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 11:02:49 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 10:55:34 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA21174 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Fri, 22 Apr 1994 10:48:56 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA08424; Fri, 22 Apr 94 10:48:56 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA09966; Fri, 22 Apr 94 10:48:55 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9404221448.AA09966@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Do u own an Amiga ? (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 10:48:55 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1034 Status: R Forwarded message: > From sgroup-owner@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 22 05:51:21 1994 > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 07:46:13 -0400 > From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) > Message-Id: <9404221046.AA28567@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > Subject: Do u own an Amiga ? > > > Just curious to know ... how many Amiga users are in this group ? > Which MIDI software do they use ? > Is there anybody who can upload/download samples from/to their sampler and > the Amiga ? > For these an other questions, Nic, our good ol' australian man has compiled the respective platforms of each s-group members. Care to send him a copy, Nic? While your at it, why not send me a new form 'cause I bought a few things since. Marc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Apr 22 16:11:53 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:11:50 -0400 Received: from central.picker.com ([144.54.31.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:03:01 -0400 Received: from ct.picker.com by central.picker.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0puRGe-0004rlC; Fri, 22 Apr 94 15:52 EDT Received: from kayak.ct.picker.com by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23412; Fri, 22 Apr 94 15:52:02 EDT Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 15:52:02 -0400 From: shermane@ct.picker.com (Sherman) Message-Id: <9404221952.AA23412@ct.picker.com> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Do u own an Amiga ? Status: R >Just curious to know ... how many Amiga users are in this group ? >Which MIDI software do they use ? >Is there anybody who can upload/download samples from/to their sampler and >the Amiga ? I use an Amiga for sequencing with Music-X and also use (the old) Deluxe Music some too (and a lot of other non-music stuff). I havn't tried any movment of samples, disks, or anything to and from my S550... I have yet to try to get any samples from this group of from ftp. None of the read.me files at the ftp site told me much about what samples are there or what from they are in. Amiga = 2000 + 25MHz 68030, 25MHz 68881, 13Mbyte RAM, 148MByte HD ============================================================================== | __ | Michael E. Sherman | | | /// | | Picker International | | /// | Picker International | 595 Miner Road | | __ /// | C.T. Engineering | Cleveland, Ohio 44143 | | \\\ /// | Camera & Communications Group | | | \\\/// | | voice: (216)473-4609 | | \XX/ | shermane@ct.picker.com | fax: (216)473-7098 | ============================================================================== | "Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious" - Harold Orr | ============================================================================== From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Apr 22 16:31:05 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-1>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:30:55 -0400 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com ([146.225.8.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:24:52 -0400 Received: from gaea.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA04651 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 22 Apr 1994 13:24:19 -0700 Received: from scorch.synopsys.com by gaea.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA20204 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 22 Apr 1994 13:24:17 -0700 Received: by scorch.synopsys.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12629; Fri, 22 Apr 94 13:24:16 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:24:16 -0400 From: jhm@Synopsys.COM (John McCartney) Message-Id: <9404222024.AA12629@scorch.synopsys.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Do u own an Amiga ? Status: R Ok, we've heard from Amiga folks - does anyone else out there use a Commodore 64? I've only recently gone MIDI and since that's what I had laying around, that's what I'm using. I'm looking for more MIDI software/hardware for it, so..... scorch From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Apr 22 17:49:31 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 17:49:26 -0400 Received: from mlb.engin.umich.edu ([141.211.163.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 17:37:07 -0400 Received: (jkimble@localhost) by mlb.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id RAA19962; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 17:36:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 17:36:49 -0400 From: john hamilton kimble Message-Id: <199404222136.RAA19962@mlb.engin.umich.edu> To: jhm@Synopsys.COM, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Do u own an Amiga ? Status: R Woah!! a 64. jk From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Apr 22 21:03:30 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-2>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 21:03:27 -0400 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.99.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 22 Apr 1994 20:52:04 -0400 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA02844 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 1994 10:48:51 +1000 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.2) id AA09161; Sat, 23 Apr 94 10:52:22 EST Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA06189; Sat, 23 Apr 94 00:52:08 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA04296; Sat, 23 Apr 94 00:52:06 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23500; Sat, 23 Apr 94 00:51:46 GMT Message-Id: <9404230051.AA23500@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: sgroup directory To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 06:51:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9404221448.AA09966@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA>; from "St-Jacques Marc" at Apr 22, 94 10:48 am From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} For these an other questions, Nic, our good ol' australian man has compiled => the respective platforms of each s-group members. Care to send him a copy, Marc is referring to the sgroup user directory, which I have been looking after. Basically it is a list of sgroup members and the equipment they use (+ some other sordid details) We seem to have a number of new members, so anyone who would like to be added into the directory, send me email in the format specified at the end of this message. After a couple of weeks when the replies have died down, I will post out the updated directory. If any existing members want to remove themselves or change details, mail me and I will accommodate... I won't send out the current directory as I feel it will be too out of date to be useful. Any existing members can get me to send them their own listing if they don't remember what is on it as well. Note that any information you provide is given to all members of sgroup. Don't give out any information you consider private without telling me. :-) I also compile statistics of the sgroup membership. If you just want to be another statistic and _not_ be listed in the sgroup directory, please specify this. Regards, Nic. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Location: , , Sampler Model: Computer: Software: Equipment: Instruments: Music: Activities: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Apr 25 15:22:44 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Mon, 25 Apr 1994 15:22:34 -0400 Received: from msu.edu ([35.8.2.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Mon, 25 Apr 1994 15:07:07 -0400 Received: from MSU.BITNET by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5371; Mon, 25 Apr 94 15:06:55 EDT Received: by MSU (Mailer R2.08 PTF008) id 8475; Mon, 25 Apr 94 15:06:54 EDT Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 15:04:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.Uwaterloo.ca From: "Randy.Robb" Subject: SampleVision and W30 Message-Id: <94Apr25.150707edt.111@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Does anyone know if Samplevision will work with a W30? I tried to contact the sales office but they haven't gotten back with me yet. I've looked at the midi tech specifications in the manual and I saw no evidence that appropriate handshaking exists to dump sample data to and from the sampler. Does anyone have any additional info? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 28 08:29:38 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Thu, 28 Apr 1994 08:29:32 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 28 Apr 1994 08:13:28 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA17843; Thu, 28 Apr 94 05:13:05 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17750; Thu, 28 Apr 94 05:12:57 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA28071; Thu, 28 Apr 94 14:11:50 GMT Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 10:11:50 -0400 From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Message-Id: <9404281311.AA28071@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: User-List entry Status: RO This is my entry to update the user's list database: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Location: , , Sampler Model: Computer: Software: Equipment: Instruments: Music: Activities: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================================ = E-mail: borzieri@iconet.olivetti.com = Ex quite happy programmer, = = = now unhappy PCB Router. = = "Life is quite never as you would like." = = ============================================================================ = Commodore Amiga 1200, Microbotics XA1230 accelerator with 68030 @ 50 Mhz,= = no FPU, 2+4 Megs Ram, 120 Megs HD. = ============================================================================ = MIDI Setup: Roland D5 Synth, Roland S50 Sampler, Yamaha TX81Z Expander. = ============================================================================ From math.uwaterloo.ca!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Apr 28 08:55:59 1994 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Thu, 28 Apr 1994 08:55:55 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <77244-4>; Thu, 28 Apr 1994 08:55:51 -0400 Received: from sun2.mhs-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.35]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 28 Apr 1994 08:47:39 -0400 Via: uk.ac.exeter; Thu, 28 Apr 1994 13:46:54 +0100 Received: from cen.exeter.ac.uk by exub.exeter.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <10054-0@exub.exeter.ac.uk>; Thu, 28 Apr 1994 13:46:24 +0100 Received: from eng by cen; Thu, 28 Apr 94 13:46:13 +0100 Message-Id: <12266.9404281246@eng> Subject: W30 Guitar type disks To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 08:46:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9404281311.AA28071@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> from "Ivan Borzieri" at Apr 28, 94 10:11:50 am From: Joseph Hornsby Reply-To: J.M.Hornsby@exeter.ac.uk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 668 Status: RO Dear Fellow Roland Owners, I am looking for a W30 disk full of guitar sounds. I used to have it, but the disk became corrupted. (No flames about backups please. &;) I can't remember any of the specific names of the sounds, but I know that it was from the Roland sond library... Any ideas of what the disk could be and how to get it would be greatly appreciated. &:) Joseph. -- Jo Hornsby |*| Sam: "Why me, Al?" Dept. of Engineering (Sparky) |*| Al: "Because you're a hero" Exeter Uni, UK |*| Sam: "Even heroes are human." Email: J.M.Hornsby@exeter.ac.uk |*| -- QL: Trilogy, Part 2 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Sat Apr 30 00:21:57 1994 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Sat, 30 Apr 1994 00:21:54 -0400 Received: from MAX.UREGINA.CA ([142.3.100.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Sat, 30 Apr 1994 00:14:46 -0400 Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8404; Fri, 29 Apr 94 22:13:36 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) id 4449; Fri, 29 Apr 94 22:13:35 CST Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 00:07:54 -0400 From: Rod Lemcke Subject: Amiga -to- S550 disk reader found... To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA Message-Id: <94Apr30.001446edt.156@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R I've been in touch with a programmer who says that has an Amiga program that CAN read S50/550 disks. Plus he said that he had another utility that lets you save samples from other formats to the S-serie's format. He said that he is real busy right now and would get to it next week and dig it up. Of course I'll respect his wishes and call him in about 12 days. I'll be out off town until May 11th but I will contact him as soon as I get back and I will of course for- ward the info and news to all of you Amiga owner's. Later... Rod L.