From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Dec 1 01:58:10 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 01:58:03 -0500 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.99.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 01:52:37 -0500 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.4/8.6.beta.2) with SMTP id RAA09157 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 17:51:57 +1100 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.2) id AA26991; Wed, 1 Dec 93 06:52:08 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA00246; Wed, 1 Dec 93 06:53:07 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA17730; Wed, 1 Dec 93 06:53:06 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21754; Wed, 1 Dec 93 06:52:51 GMT Message-Id: <9312010652.AA21754@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: Re: CD-ROM (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 12:52:51 -0500 From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} If you can find a HD5IF interface for your S-550, you can use an older Sony drive ie: CDU-6111, or Roland CD-5 CD-ROM player. The CD-5 came with a S-550 CD-ROM of the Roland S-550 library. Also Q up Arts carries two S-550 CD ROM disks. => JIm => -- Thanks Jim, More evidence that I am totally misinformed about CDROM capabilities of the S550. However, you still need to buy a SCSI card for your PC and CDROM player to use it on the 550... :-) Nic. ============================================================================== Nic Grant /\ Level 7, 363 Oxford Street Logica Pty. Limited / \ /\ Paddington, 2021, AUSTRALIA ________________________/ \ / \ /\____________________________________ Voice: +61 2 339 3744 \ / \/ Email: nic@nms.otc.com.au Fax: +61 2 339 3917 \/ ============================================================================== From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Dec 1 04:37:12 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 04:37:07 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.114]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 04:29:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id BAA18426; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 01:29:51 -0800 From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) Message-Id: <199312010929.BAA18426@mail.netcom.com> Subject: Hacker Mode To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (S-550 Group) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 04:29:50 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Anyone know what this "hacker" mode is on the S-550? What can I do with it? Thanks -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Dec 1 10:39:23 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 10:39:12 -0500 Received: from watserv1.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 1 Dec 93 10:39:09 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by watserv1.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 1 Dec 93 10:31:12 -0500 Received: from lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com ([155.95.177.193]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 10:14:22 -0500 Received: from carla.noname (carla.ndhm.gtegsc.com) by lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05868; Wed, 1 Dec 93 10:16:51 EST Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 10:16:51 -0500 From: joe@lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Joe Musmanno) Message-Id: <9312011516.AA05868@lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: CD5 latest disk Status: R David J. Wilson writes: > I'm supposed to get the latest CD5 S550 operating system disk from > Jim Norman in the mail (US Mail). When I get it, I'll e-mail it > to John Sellens and he can put it on lotus. [...] I've been on this list for only a week or so, but several times I've noticed people mentioning newer versions of the S550 OS that I've not heard of. Can someone please tell me what the latest version available for the S50 is? I've rooted around on lotus and not seen any info about this. I suppose, with my luck, that the version that came with it (could it be five years ago now?...*shudder*) is the last version that ever came out. Along a similar line, how about the sequencing software that you could buy for the S50? I bought it, and was subsequently disappointed with how many MAJOR bugs it had. I eventually called the folks that make it (Roland sells it, but it was written by a third-party) and they said they had no plans for any new versions (Thanks, guys. :-| ) So, does anyone out there know of any updates? Or a way to hack into that code? Appreciatively, -joe joe@lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Dec 1 10:42:14 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-3>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 10:42:03 -0500 Received: from qualcomm.com ([129.46.64.14]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <160>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 10:35:52 -0500 Received: from harvey.qualcomm.com by qualcomm.com; id AA08372 sendmail 5.67/QC-main-2.2 via SMTP Wed, 1 Dec 93 07:31:30 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Received: from alighton-mac.qualcomm.com by harvey; id AA28984 sendmail 5.67/QC-subsidiary-2.1 via SMTP Wed, 1 Dec 93 07:31:26 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Message-Id: <9312011531.AA28984@harvey> X-Sender: alighton@qualcomm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 10:31:18 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca From: alighton@qualcomm.com (Al Lighton) Subject: Roland S50 sampler Status: R An acquaintance of mine is selling a Roland S50 sampler keyboard. I recently sold my clavinova digital piano to buy a more portable keyboard, so I was thinking of buying it. I have some questions about the S50. I don't really know all that much about sampling, so forgive my ignorance. I read it has 12 bit ADC/16 bit DAC. Does that mean that I can buy better sounds for it than I would be able to sample myself? How are samples other than ones I would sample myself created for the S50? Would I be able to edit samples on my PC? What software/hardware would be required to accomplish this? approximate cost? How good a piano sound can be coaxed out of this beast? (very subjective question, obviously. Tell me YOUR opinion.) I've read it has 1.5mB of sample ram. I assume is has no sounds in ROM. Is 1.5mB suitable for holding several "patches" simultaneously so that they can be called up at the touch of a button? Do the sounds need to be re-booted everytime the keyboard is turned on, or are the backed up by battery when the unit is turned off/unplugged? If I have one "patch" loaded that I want to keep in the machine, and another one that I want to load, is it easy to load the second without stomping on the first? I don't have a reall good feel for how the memory space is allocated. How much is an S50 worth today? When did they first come out? Thanks, Al Lighton [alighton@qualcomm.com] (619)-658-3731 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Dec 1 10:35:53 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 10:35:44 -0500 Received: from gsusgi2.gsu.edu ([131.96.1.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 10:28:02 -0500 Received: by gsusgi2.gsu.edu (931110.SGI.ANONFTP/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca id AA15103; Wed, 1 Dec 93 10:21:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 10:20:27 -0500 From: Roth Ritter Subject: %% ROLAND SAMPLER FORSALE %% To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R ROLAND S330 1-Space rack sampler for sale. I don't still have the manual but they are easily available by a phone call to Roland. The unit is in guarunteed mint condition as it is only 4.5 months old. I am including the original 4 system disks (all disks are standard 3.5" format) and 22 sound disks which contain many sounds of their own. Some specs are as follows: * 28.8 seconds sample time @15Khz/14.4 secs @30Khz * Multitimbral (receives on 8 channels at once), polyphonic, after touch * 8 individually controlled outputs + 1 headphone out * Keyboard splits to as many samples as you have in memroy (48 max) * You can hookup a tv or monitor to the video output to take advantage of it's easy to use menus & visual graphics (HIGHLY recommended) * You can also add a mouse for easier editing (available from Roland) * Digital filters, oscillators, looping, resonance editing and more features * Compatable with Roland S50 & S550 sampler disks which are available free on the net through the Roland Samplers Group which also contribute to valuable discussion of Roland S-series samplers. Price: $470+shipping OBO. I would prefer prepayment (any type) but not a requirement. Prepaying offers will have a higher priority. Leave all inquiries/offers to my email address below. Thanks. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Roth Ritter :: :: >> artcrrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu << :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Georgia State University Art & Music :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Dec 1 21:17:05 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 21:16:58 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 1 Dec 93 21:16:49 -0500 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 21:10:19 -0500 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA11627 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Wed, 1 Dec 1993 21:07:59 -0500 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA02480; Wed, 1 Dec 93 21:07:57 -0500 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA08340; Wed, 1 Dec 93 21:07:55 -0500 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9312020207.AA08340@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: It's only a dream! To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 21:07:55 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 655 Status: R Hi Sgroup! Here's a It's-only-a-dream of question. Is there an IBM version or IBM equivalent of TURBO-SYNTH? Any Mac users using such software? Any comments? E-mail me, please! Marc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? As a matter of fact, I've been busting my head teaching religion to 15 year old kids since semptember. I just can't wait for the end of my copntract so I can START writing it! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Dec 6 00:51:31 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-2>; Mon, 6 Dec 1993 00:51:25 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <245>; Mon, 6 Dec 1993 00:45:58 -0500 Received: from trigger.MorningStar.Com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93052901) id AA20185; Mon, 6 Dec 93 00:45:43 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93081601) id AA23431; Mon, 6 Dec 93 00:45:41 -0500 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Mon, 6 Dec 93 00:44:03 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Fwd: Audio CD->QUicktime->Audiofile (AIFF/SDII) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 00:44:03 -0500 Cc: phillip@flagstaff.Princeton.EDU Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: david@david.roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.igc6ih@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R After reading this posting to rec.music.makers.synth, it would be possible to add an additional step to this process using SAMDISK on the Mac to convert the sound file to be used on 12-bit Roland samplers. Enjoy! David david@roth-music.com Forward of article <1993Nov29.160140.3956@Princeton.EDU> from phillip@flagstaff.Princeton.EDU (Phillip Charles Saunders): Summary: Expires: References: Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: na Organization: Princeton University Keywords: I found an answer to my recent question about converting Quicktime Audio-only Movie files to other sound formats. The basic procedure for converting an audio CD to a Quicktime movie is to use a Quicktime player, open a file on the CD (they will be labled Audio Track 1, Audio Track 2, etc), then hit the convert button on the player. You can use the options button to set resolution (8 or 16 bit), sampling rate (22KHz or 44.1KHz), and mono/stereo. You then save the Quicktime audio file. I wanted to go a step further and convert the Quicktime file into an AIFF or Sound Designer II file for further editing and playback. The freeware program Soundhack .62 has an option to RRead any fileS. Read in the Quicktime audio movie. SoundHack will say that it canUt read the header info. You must manually set the resolution, sampling rate, and mono/stereo info in the header. (Be sure to note the values you entered when converting from the Audio CD). You can then RSave AsS either an AIFF or Sound Designer II file. The converted file can now be loaded into Alchemy or Sound Designer II for further editing. (The first thing you will want to do is to trim off the Quicktime header at the front of the file, which sounds like a sharp RclickS when the converted sound plays.) Voila--a perfect digitally sampled copy. If you used values of 16 bits, 44.1KHz, and stereo, the copy sounds just as good as the original. This technique is ideal for reading from sampling CDs, but can work with any audio CD. Phil Saunders (phillip@phoenix.princeton.edu) (Note: you must have Quicktime 1.51 or later and a Quicktime player which supports these features. I used "Bijouplay" successfully" Soundhack is available from Reed.edu, I believe From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Mon Dec 6 22:54:17 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-2>; Mon, 6 Dec 1993 22:54:10 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 6 Dec 93 22:54:07 -0500 Received: from MAX.UREGINA.CA ([142.3.100.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <245>; Mon, 6 Dec 1993 22:47:15 -0500 Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5763; Mon, 06 Dec 93 21:47:27 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) id 8926; Mon, 06 Dec 93 21:47:26 CST Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 22:45:10 -0500 From: Jason Keeler Subject: Dumping S-330/W30 samples to a raw sample format To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA Message-Id: <93Dec6.224715est.245@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Seeing as our beloved S-series samplers (except maybe for the S-7... series) do not support sample dump, has anyone written or have a utilitiy which will allow me to dump samples to a raw format? I would like to transfer a few of my samples to my Gravis Ultrasound card. I'd also like to reverse this process. - Jason From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 7 14:09:33 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 14:09:31 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 14:00:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA28290; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 11:00:23 -0800 From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) Message-Id: <199312071900.LAA28290@mail.netcom.com> Subject: Dumping S-330/W30 samples to a raw sample format (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (S-550 Group) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 14:00:22 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1235 Status: R Forwarded message: > From SGROUP-owner@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Dec 6 19:55:26 1993 > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 22:45:10 -0500 > From: Jason Keeler > Subject: Dumping S-330/W30 samples to a raw sample format > To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA > Message-Id: <93Dec6.224715est.245@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> > > Seeing as our beloved S-series samplers (except maybe for the S-7... series) > do not support sample dump, has anyone written or have a utilitiy which will > allow me to dump samples to a raw format? I would like to transfer a few > of my samples to my Gravis Ultrasound card. I'd also like to reverse this > process. > > - Jason > I have not done it yet, but I REALLY want to know what you find out. I also have a Gravis Ultrasound that I just got and I would love to load some of the great Roland samples I have onto it. Anyone? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 7 15:15:09 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-3>; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 15:14:58 -0500 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <245>; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 15:09:02 -0500 From: gjm@research.att.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 15:08:00 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Dumping S-330/W30 samples to a raw sample format Message-Id: <93Dec7.150902est.245@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Well, the disk tools for the S-550 are still available via ftp: ftp lotus.uwaterloo.ca cd pub/sgroup/utilities get disk-tools.shar -Gary From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 7 16:19:06 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-2>; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 16:18:54 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Dec 93 16:18:42 -0500 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.99.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <246>; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 16:13:04 -0500 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.4/8.6.beta.2) with SMTP id IAA24808 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1993 08:12:33 +1100 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.2) id AA01112; Tue, 7 Dec 93 21:12:37 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA19754; Tue, 7 Dec 93 21:12:39 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA03337; Tue, 7 Dec 93 21:12:37 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05068; Tue, 7 Dec 93 21:13:17 GMT Message-Id: <9312072113.AA05068@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: Re: Dumping S-330/W30 samples to a raw sample format To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 03:13:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <199312071900.LAA28290@mail.netcom.com>; from "Stephen Schow" at Dec 7, 93 2:00 pm From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} Seeing as our beloved S-series samplers (except maybe for the S-7... series) > do not support sample dump, has anyone written or have a utilitiy which will > allow me to dump samples to a raw format? I would like to transfer a few > of my samples to my Gravis Ultrasound card. I'd also like to reverse this > process. > > - Jason What machine does the Gravis Ultrasound go into? If it is a PC and it can play Windows 3.1 .WAV or SoundBlaster .VOC files, then one possible solution is: 1) Use Turtle Beach SampleVision (US$99) to upload the sample from the Roland to the PC. You can use this software to do equalisation and other fancy sample editing. Save the results to a .smp file. I don't know of any public domain (or non, for that matter. Maybe Alchemy for Mac or Atari?) utility which can do the same thing. 2) Use sox (public domain utility, available on lotus, I think) to convert the .smp file to a .voc file. Although sox claims it can convert to .wav files, I have had little success in getting these to actually work. Windows just throws its hands up in horror. 3) Use GoldWave (public domain/shareware program, maybe on lotus, but can easily obtained from a number of ftp sites worldwide). Load the .voc file and then create a new .wav file window. Copy and paste the contents of the loaded .voc file window into the newly created .wav window and save this to a .wav file. I have not yet been able to reverse this process, but this is 'cause I have an S750 and its idea of SDS is not the same as SampleVision's. As SampleVision has specific drivers for the other S-Series samplers, I am sure that it would work. If the Gravis isn't part of a PC platform, (Actually, I suspect it's not, but there may be PC sgroupies who have a similar problem with soundblaster cards (or whatever)) then most of the above is of not much use. I'm sorry. Also, SampleVision used to cost around, I think, $400 and they brought the price down recently. It does a reasonable job, but you need a lot of patience for large, 16 bit samples or a high sample rate. It runs under GEM which is probably why they are practically giving it away, as the user interface is pretty shoddy compared to what is around these days. I have no connection with Turtle Beach whatsoever, I just own SampleVision. Nic. ============================================================================== Nic Grant /\ Level 7, 363 Oxford Street Logica Pty. Limited / \ /\ Paddington, 2021, AUSTRALIA ________________________/ \ / \ /\____________________________________ Voice: +61 2 339 3744 \ / \/ Email: nic@nms.otc.com.au Fax: +61 2 339 3917 \/ ============================================================================== From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 7 19:46:19 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-1>; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 19:46:11 -0500 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <247>; Tue, 7 Dec 1993 19:40:34 -0500 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA04344 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 7 Dec 1993 19:37:47 -0500 Received: from brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA21426; Tue, 7 Dec 93 19:37:46 -0500 Received: by brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA16080; Tue, 7 Dec 93 19:37:45 -0500 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Message-Id: <9312080037.AA16080@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: Dumping S-330/W30 samples to a raw sample format To: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 19:37:45 -0500 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9312072113.AA05068@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> from "Nic Grant" at Dec 8, 93 03:13:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3198 Status: R Dans la Matrice, Nic Grant a dit: > > What machine does the Gravis Ultrasound go into? IBM PCs. If you want to use it in windows, you need at least a 386. It is an ISA 16 bit card with 1MB ram, 32 channels. Can use 8 bit or 16 bit samples, signed or unsigned, (intel byte ordering, 32 byte alignment for DMA). Sample loading is done thru DMA, so it takes only 1 second to fill the 1MB. Compare that to several minutes thru SDS... > If it is a PC and it can play Windows 3.1 .WAV or SoundBlaster .VOC files, > then one possible solution is: Yes it can play .wav or .voc but much better it can use multisampled patches (.pat) with looping (several modes), fractional points, 6 point envelopping, envelopped or sampled attack and release, lfo, vibrato, tremolo, balance, volume, etc... Only lacks realtime filters and has a limit of 1MB ram. > 1) Use Turtle Beach SampleVision (US$99) to upload the sample from the > 2) Use sox (public domain utility, available on lotus, I think) to convert > 3) Use GoldWave (public domain/shareware program, maybe on lotus, but can Hmmm. With playfile, one can easily find out if a file that contains sampled sound is signed, unsigned, 8/12/16 bit, intel or motorola byte ordering, offset etc... (it comes with the Gravis Ultrasound). Once you know the type of file you are dealing with, simply use sox. Example: the file is 16 bit signed, motorola ordering and it's 22KHz. sox -r22050 -x file.sw -r22050 file.wav. Personally i use sox for weird formats, but for the above example, i use: ren file.(whatever) file.wsd wsd2snd file.wsd which create a file.snd (16 bit signed, intel) convert file.snd file.wav I then use cool waveform editor for windows (cooled) to maximise, enhance, process, fx, edit, etc... the sample till i have something i like, then save it and use patchgod to transfer to a Gravis .pat. In a week, Patch Maker from Gravis will be released and will do in realtime patch manipulation and i can say that nothing will match it in term of ease of use. > Also, SampleVision used to cost around, I think, $400 and they brought the > price down recently. It does a reasonable job, but you need a lot of > patience for large, 16 bit samples or a high sample rate. It runs under GEM > which is probably why they are practically giving it away, as the user > interface is pretty shoddy compared to what is around these days. I have > no connection with Turtle Beach whatsoever, I just own SampleVision. Even patch maker lite is better... and it's free with the Gravis Ultrasound (and the card sells for 135$US with 256KB ram...). Runs under windows, is very easy and fast to use, has auto tuning, auto loop and auto enveloppe with simple dialogs. Patch maker pro will also add thge possibility of low level patch modifications and enhanced loop editor and functions. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Dec 8 17:05:10 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-3>; Wed, 8 Dec 1993 17:05:06 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Dec 93 17:04:59 -0500 Received: from sage.cc.purdue.edu ([128.210.10.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <248>; Wed, 8 Dec 1993 16:58:24 -0500 Received: by sage.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA20793; Wed, 8 Dec 93 16:58:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 16:58:10 -0500 From: hideuser@sage.cc.purdue.edu (User D. User) Message-Id: <9312082158.AA20793@sage.cc.purdue.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: Opinions on new S-760 Cc: hideuser@sage.cc.purdue.edu Status: R I am interested in the new Roland S-760 sampler. Does anyone know what kind of sample RAM it takes (standard or proprietary SIMMS?) Also, do the S-7** series samplers have a sequencer? How does the video interface compare to that of the S-50, with which I am familiar? Thank you, User D. User From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Dec 9 22:38:10 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-1>; Thu, 9 Dec 1993 22:38:01 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Dec 93 22:37:53 -0500 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.99.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Thu, 9 Dec 1993 22:32:11 -0500 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.4/8.6.beta.2) with SMTP id OAA02609 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1993 14:31:36 +1100 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.2) id AA26557; Fri, 10 Dec 93 03:31:40 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA28062; Fri, 10 Dec 93 03:31:51 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA06879; Fri, 10 Dec 93 03:31:50 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11374; Fri, 10 Dec 93 03:32:21 GMT Message-Id: <9312100332.AA11374@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: sdisk To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 09:32:20 -0500 From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} I was just wondering if your S-Disk program does anything different from => Pete Lyal's Samdisk. They appear to be almost the same. I have yet to => try either. Essentially they do the same thing. sdisk also supports 1.44Mb drives, (S700 samplers) which samdisk doesn't. They will both work with any diskette, they just won't be able to identify the diskette. samdisk also lets you view the disk's catalogue if it can recognise the disk type. sdisk doesn't do any interpretation (other than identifying the disk type) when it generates the file. The only other difference is that sdisk is full screen menu driven, while samdisk is command line driven. I wrote sdisk, cause I needed to convert 1.44Mb floppies. Both should do the job, I guess it depends on if you want to look at the tone names or you prefer a full screen interface. => BTW, does S-Disk work with a W30? Yes, it will read & write the W30's disks. It definitely can identify a W330 diskette, but I don't have any W30 disks, so have not tested it. If it can't you will just get a message saying that sdisk couldn't identify the disk type. It will still work. If samdisk doesn't recognise the disk it throws garbage up on the screen as the disk type. Don't be alarmed. BTW, Pete, hope this is an unbiased comparison. :-) Regards, Nic. ============================================================================== Nic Grant /\ Level 7, 363 Oxford Street Logica Pty. Limited / \ /\ Paddington, 2021, AUSTRALIA ________________________/ \ / \ /\____________________________________ Voice: +61 2 339 3744 \ / \/ Email: nic@nms.otc.com.au Fax: +61 2 339 3917 \/ ============================================================================== From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Dec 9 23:18:46 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-1>; Thu, 9 Dec 1993 23:18:41 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Dec 93 23:18:28 -0500 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 9 Dec 1993 23:13:03 -0500 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA25565 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 9 Dec 1993 23:09:47 -0500 Received: from brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA14625; Thu, 9 Dec 93 23:09:46 -0500 Received: by brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA05572; Thu, 9 Dec 93 23:09:44 -0500 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Message-Id: <9312100409.AA05572@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: sdisk To: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1993 23:09:42 -0500 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9312100332.AA11374@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> from "Nic Grant" at Dec 10, 93 09:32:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1183 Status: R Dans la Matrice, Nic Grant a dit: > > The only other difference is that sdisk is full screen menu driven, while > samdisk is command line driven. I wrote sdisk, cause I needed to convert > 1.44Mb floppies. Both should do the job, I guess it depends on if you > want to look at the tone names or you prefer a full screen interface. Do you have any idea what is the format on the disk? i tried to find what format the sounds were on a .sdk disk image but i have not figured it yet. I've been able to understand about every sampler format, but this is a bit more weird. Are there any 16 bit images on lotus? I checked one i think was 12 bit, and there are just too many possibilities of data representations for 12 bit (padded, concatenated, big and small endian, signed/unsigned etc... about 32 possibilities). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Dec 10 00:33:29 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-3>; Fri, 10 Dec 1993 00:33:19 -0500 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.99.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Fri, 10 Dec 1993 00:27:52 -0500 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.4/8.6.beta.2) with SMTP id QAA03772; Fri, 10 Dec 1993 16:26:55 +1100 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.2) id AA28489; Fri, 10 Dec 93 05:26:59 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA28444; Fri, 10 Dec 93 05:27:10 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA13575; Fri, 10 Dec 93 05:27:09 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11682; Fri, 10 Dec 93 05:27:40 GMT Message-Id: <9312100527.AA11682@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: Re: sdisk To: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 11:27:39 -0500 Cc: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) In-Reply-To: <9312100409.AA05572@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA>; from "Francois Dion" at Dec 9, 93 11:09 pm From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} Do you have any idea what is the format on the disk? i tried to find what > format the sounds were on a .sdk disk image but i have not figured it yet. > I've been able to understand about every sampler format, but this is a bit > more weird. Are there any 16 bit images on lotus? I checked one i think was > 12 bit, and there are just too many possibilities of data representations for > 12 bit (padded, concatenated, big and small endian, signed/unsigned etc... > about 32 possibilities). Unfortunately I don't know the different formats, and as far as I know no-one has uploaded any 16bit samples onto lotus. I'm sure that the disk format can be discovered in some Roland technical manual, just depends which format. :-) (W30, S50, S10, S700) If anybody requests, I can upload the S7xx versions of Marc St. Jacques infamous samples, or just email them. Nic. ============================================================================== Nic Grant /\ Level 7, 363 Oxford Street Logica Pty. Limited / \ /\ Paddington, 2021, AUSTRALIA ________________________/ \ / \ /\____________________________________ Voice: +61 2 339 3744 \ / \/ Email: nic@nms.otc.com.au Fax: +61 2 339 3917 \/ ============================================================================== From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Fri Dec 10 19:02:26 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88183-1>; Fri, 10 Dec 1993 19:02:15 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Dec 93 19:02:13 -0500 Received: from MAX.UREGINA.CA ([142.3.100.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Fri, 10 Dec 1993 18:52:44 -0500 Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2707; Fri, 10 Dec 93 17:52:38 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) id 7270; Fri, 10 Dec 93 17:52:37 CST Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 18:51:23 -0500 From: Jason Keeler Subject: Sample Library To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA Message-Id: <93Dec10.185244est.10@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R I was browsing through the sample library listings and I was just wondering if there have been any other updates to the list. ...Jason From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Dec 10 20:00:12 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-2>; Fri, 10 Dec 1993 20:00:06 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.107]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Fri, 10 Dec 1993 19:55:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA08820; Fri, 10 Dec 1993 16:55:04 -0800 From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) Message-Id: <199312110055.QAA08820@mail.netcom.com> Subject: Sample Library (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (S-550 Group) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 19:55:03 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 777 Status: R > I was browsing through the sample library listings and I was just wondering > if there have been any other updates to the list. > > ...Jason > I dunno, but I am still looking for someone to email me a samdisk image of the Roland Techno Disk. That's that one with Techno Drums and bass and brass and so on. I love those drums but my disk got corrupted. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Dec 11 11:24:50 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Sat, 11 Dec 1993 11:24:43 -0500 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Sat, 11 Dec 1993 11:10:05 -0500 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA24030 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Sat, 11 Dec 1993 11:07:37 -0500 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA26738; Sat, 11 Dec 93 11:07:36 -0500 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA07730; Sat, 11 Dec 93 11:07:36 -0500 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9312111607.AA07730@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: sdisk (to Nic Grant) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1993 11:07:36 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 741 Status: R [Quoting Nic Grant] If anybody requests, I can upload the S7xx versions of Marc St. Jacques > infamous samples, or just email them. Geeeez! Are they still in demand after six months? Wow! It's nice to know I leave something to history. When I die, put this on my tombstone: "R.I.P - Marc St-jacques - He did a pretty damn good 360K disk of samples." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You COULD add (but only in small print) "and still hasn't finished his thesis!" MSTJ. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Sun Dec 12 17:08:14 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-3>; Sun, 12 Dec 1993 17:08:04 -0500 Received: from MAX.UREGINA.CA ([142.3.100.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Sun, 12 Dec 1993 16:57:57 -0500 Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3905; Sun, 12 Dec 93 15:58:17 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) id 1904; Sun, 12 Dec 93 15:58:16 CST Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 16:55:30 -0500 From: Jason Keeler Subject: Transferring from raw8 to Roland To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA Message-Id: <93Dec12.165757est.10@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Now that I've got the process of transferring from the W30 to the Ultrasound working correctly, how can I reverse this process? Does anyone have a utility to insert back into an image file? If not, any takers for the project? I would consider it myself but after programming in C 8hrs a day, the last thing I want to do is do more C coding! ...Jason From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Sun Dec 12 17:17:24 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88185-1>; Sun, 12 Dec 1993 17:17:17 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sun, 12 Dec 93 17:17:16 -0500 Received: from MAX.UREGINA.CA ([142.3.100.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Sun, 12 Dec 1993 17:08:09 -0500 Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3907; Sun, 12 Dec 93 16:00:30 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) id 1910; Sun, 12 Dec 93 16:00:30 CST Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 16:59:53 -0500 From: Jason Keeler Subject: Disk-Tools shar file To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA Message-Id: <93Dec12.170809est.158@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Has anyone had any success in compiling these? I've got a ton of errors (using Quick C). ....Jason From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Dec 12 23:48:49 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Sun, 12 Dec 1993 23:48:41 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <160>; Sun, 12 Dec 1993 23:38:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA13109; Sun, 12 Dec 1993 20:38:13 -0800 From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) Message-Id: <199312130438.UAA13109@mail.netcom.com> Subject: Transferring from raw8 to Roland (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (S-550 Group) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 23:38:12 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 908 Status: R > Now that I've got the process of transferring from the W30 to the Ultrasound > working correctly, how can I reverse this process? Does anyone have a > utility to insert back into an image file? If not, any takers for the > project? > > I would consider it myself but after programming in C 8hrs a day, the last > thing I want to do is do more C coding! > > ...Jason > Woa....I am VERY interested in whatever you have found out so far about W30(S-550) -> GUS samples conversions. I might be able to help with the programming too! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Dec 13 01:30:53 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 01:30:44 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <163>; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 01:20:29 -0500 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AB00126; Mon, 13 Dec 93 01:20:04 -0500 Received: from krfiny.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 011818.28537; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 01:18:18 EST Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Mon, 13 Dec 93 02:14 EST Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 13 Dec 93 01:17 EST Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@uunet.UU.NET (UNIXMAN) Subject: Re: Disk-Tools shar file To: KEELERJA@max.cc.uregina.ca (Jason Keeler) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 01:17:15 -0500 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) In-Reply-To: <93Dec12.170809est.158@lotus.uwaterloo.ca>; from "Jason Keeler" at Dec 12, 93 4:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Jason Keeler said: > > Has anyone had any success in compiling these? I've got a ton of errors > (using Quick C). > > ....Jason > You have to remember that the code was written (I'm guessing) on the UNIX operating system. UNIX doesn't mind you having a raw disk read buffer of 720K bytes, but DOS, that pillar of hi-tech operating systems, and Microsoft C want everything less than or in segments of 64K bytes. This presents a problem for the Microsoft C compiler. You either, chop up the disk structure in the disk-tools code and read in pieces of the disk into separate disk-read buffers less than 64K, or use the large or huge memory model libraries with the compiler so you can have larger than 64K byte data structures. I have been playing with this code and converting it for DOS, but haven't had much (any) time lately to continue with it. In short, when trying to hack code like this that does big raw device reads, in DOS, (which sucks for this), you have to mess with the Microsoft compiler options for large or huge memory models. You may have to chop up the disk structure into smaller chunks and read 'em a piece at a time. DOS is fast as hell for MIDI and device I/O, but let's face it, it is a royal pain in the ass for this memory model nonsense. Note that none of what I said above applies if you are coding the 386 chip in flat-memory model 32 bit mode, only in 16 bit 8086 type mode. If anyone has any other ideas or corrections to my blabberings about this type of memory model stuff, please let me know. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 MS-EE student EE-CS Dept. internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University NY davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Dec 13 11:07:25 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 11:07:13 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Dec 93 11:07:03 -0500 Received: from MIT.EDU ([18.72.1.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <164>; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 10:57:34 -0500 Received: from HODGE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26109; Mon, 13 Dec 93 10:57:12 EST From: wes@MIT.EDU Received: by hodge.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA25892; Mon, 13 Dec 93 10:57:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9312131557.AA25892@hodge.MIT.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: REQ: S550 and Director-S System Disks Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 10:57:05 -0500 Status: R Hello... I blew the dust off my S550 last night in anticipation of taking the spring off to play morning, noon, and night. Guess what -- I have LOST my Director-S disk and have no System disk later than v1.01. Would some kind soul please let me pay you shipping costs to forward me the latest disks? (I do still have the Director-S Magic Key, thank goodness...) My hunch is that there is a way I could pull this stuff from the net, but I haven't a clue how to do it. That info would be equally helpful, and also much appreciated as well. The only computers I have access to are UNIX boxes ...SPARC IPC and some other random DEC boxes on MIT's network. Finally, if there is a FAQ site with this info, I'd be more than happy to RTFM. :) Thanks a zillion. Wes Carroll wes@mit.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Dec 13 14:50:14 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-3>; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 14:50:12 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Dec 93 14:50:06 -0500 Received: from lamb.sas.com ([192.35.83.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168>; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 14:42:08 -0500 Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/10-28-91) id AA16630; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 14:41:38 -0500 Received: from nghtshad.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA06452; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 14:40:56 -0500 Received: by nghtshad.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA08504; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 14:40:59 -0500 From: Anthony Friebel Message-Id: <199312131940.AA08504@nghtshad.unx.sas.com> Subject: Need star chime sample To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers Mailing List) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 14:40:59 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 421 Status: R does anyone have a "star chime" sample ? S10RECV/samplevision formats preferred. thanks in advance -- ________________________________________________________________ Anthony L. Friebel |9> 6804 Electra Drive Internet: sasalf@unx.sas.com | Raleigh, NC 27607 Phone: (919) 859.5371 (evenings) | __________________________________________________________|_o___ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Mon Dec 13 23:37:23 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 23:37:13 -0500 Received: from OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU ([132.235.8.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 23:27:41 -0500 Received: by ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (MX V3.1C) id 14208; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 23:32:35 EST Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 23:32:17 -0500 From: rowand@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA Message-ID: <00976F98.C2D28E00.14208@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu> Subject: S330 Sysex info Status: R Ohio University Electronic Communication Date: 13-Dec-1993 11:29pm EST To: Remote Addressee ( _mx%"SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA" ) From: Allen Rowand Dept: Theater ROWAND Tel No: 614-593-0567 Subject: S330 Sysex info Hey, can anyone tell me where the System Exclusive switch is on the S330? I've looked everywhere in the Midi and Util menus and can't find it. I'm usingv.1 of the os, and supposedly it has this feature. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Allen Received: 13-Dec-1993 11:32pm From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 14 10:07:34 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 10:07:23 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Dec 93 10:07:21 -0500 Received: from ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl ([131.211.32.68]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 09:55:00 -0500 Received: from ruunat.fys.ruu.nl by ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl with SMTP id AA09203 (5.65b+/IDA-1.4.3 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 14 Dec 93 15:52:53 +0100 Received: by ruunat.fys.ruu.nl id AA07006 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 14 Dec 1993 15:50:27 +0100 From: Wilfried van Sark Message-Id: <199312141450.AA07006@ruunat.fys.ruu.nl> Subject: Re: Roland System Software Updates To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Sample Users Group Sample Users Group) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 09:50:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <199312140738.XAA03320@mail.netcom.com> from "Marc K.W." at Dec 14, 93 02:38:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 871 Status: R WvS > Roland has recently uploaded the latest system softwares for almost their WvS > entire line samplers to Compu-Serve. All of the uploads are in DART and WvS > SAMDISK formats. If it is requested Id gladly retrieve these files and WvS > upload them to the S-Group archives. From what I saw the samplers included WvS > were: S-550,S-330,W-30,S-770,and S-750... This would be great! -- Bye ==TheWilf== aka Wilfried G.J.H.M. van Sark, (email: vansark@fys.ruu.nl) w w Utrecht Univ., Dept. of Atomic and Interface Physics, w w w P.O. Box 80000, 3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands. w w (tel: +31 - 30 533173) (fax: +31 - 30 543165) "Anything CAN be music, but it doesn't BECOME MUSIC until someone WILLS it to be music, and the audience listening to it decides to PERCEIVE IT AS MUSIC" Frank Zappa in "The Real Frank Zappa book" (1989). From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 14 10:22:08 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 10:22:01 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <171>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 10:16:50 -0500 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA02593; Tue, 14 Dec 93 10:15:21 EST Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA09617; Tue, 14 Dec 93 10:15:19 EST Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 10:15:19 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9312141515.AA09617@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: Roland System Software Updates Status: R Hi Marc, Yes, please upload the latest S550 system software in SAMDISK format to the sgroup archive. Also, can you post the version numbers for each of the s-series machines? Thanks! Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 14 02:46:24 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 02:46:13 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Dec 93 02:46:00 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 02:38:20 -0500 Received: from [192.187.228.11] by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id XAA03320; Mon, 13 Dec 1993 23:38:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199312140738.XAA03320@mail.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 02:38:35 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca From: lupotb@netcom.com (Marc K.W.) Subject: Roland System Software Updates Status: RO Roland has recently uploaded the latest system softwares for almost their entire line samplers to Compu-Serve. All of the uploads are in DART and SAMDISK formats. If it is requested Id gladly retrieve these files and upload them to the S-Group archives. From what I saw the samplers included were: S-550,S-330,W-30,S-770,and S-750... Marc K.W. - Composer - Producer - Engineer - Music/Computer Programmer - Email: lupotb@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- "So the Maples formed a union and demanded equal rights" "The Oaks are just too greedy. We will make them give us light." "Now there's no more Oak oppression, for they passed a noble law" "And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw." -Neil Peart- --------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 14 11:23:51 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 11:23:48 -0500 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 11:17:09 -0500 From: Received: from theta.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.4/UniDo 2.0.9) id RAA13622; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 17:16:45 +0100 Message-Id: <9312141616.AA01228@theta.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by theta.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA01228; Tue, 14 Dec 93 17:16:49 +0100 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: System Software & SamDisk Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 13:16:47 -0500 Status: R Hi SGoup, I am new in this Group and want to come in contact with other S-7xx User. My Questions as SGroup-Rookie: 1. How can I get S-750 Software Updates, can somebody upload it and mail me or SGroup? I have no access to Compu-Serve. 2. Which software is available for the S-750 sampler? I am using Atari ST and Amiga. But i have also access to SUN and MS-Dos ( for convertion or diskhandling). 3. On which systems can I read and write Roland S-750 Disks? 4. Which format have Roland Disks and how looks the Image of them? 5. Did anybody know a free piece of software, which can send and recieve MIDI Sample Dump Standard? ( Amiga, Atari or Source) Thanks in advance, Frank. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 14 20:51:03 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 20:50:54 -0500 Received: from leonis.nus.sg ([137.132.1.18]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <172>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 20:45:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (isc26235@localhost) by leonis.nus.sg (8.6.4/8.6.4/CNS-2.0) id JAA07377 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 15 Dec 1993 09:44:48 +0800 From: Fong Siu Lun Brian Message-Id: <199312150144.JAA07377@leonis.nus.sg> Subject: W30 o/s needed. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 20:44:47 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 385 Status: R Hi I heard that the latest o/s for all the Roland group of samplers have been uploaded to Compuserve. I do not have Compuserve access. I was looking around in lotus but they've got only o/s(s) for S-series. Can someone kindly dump the W30 one into lotus? Or is there another way I can get it? regards, -brian- Internet: isc26235@leonis.nus.sg DISCS National University of Singapore. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 14 21:32:50 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-1>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 21:32:35 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Dec 93 21:32:31 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <173>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 21:26:31 -0500 Received: from [192.187.228.11] by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA17781; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 18:26:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199312150226.SAA17781@mail.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 21:26:40 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca From: lupotb@netcom.com (Marc Wilhite) Subject: System software updates Status: R Here's a list of the latest Roland system software updates I have: S-50 v2.0 in Macintosh DART format S-330 v1.03 in Macintosh DART format W-30 v1.1 in PC S-Disk format S-770 v2.21 in PC S-Disk format S-770 v2.21 in Macintosh DART format (note: the S-770 and S-750 use the same system software) S-550 CD-ROM-5 in Macintosh DART format S-550 CD-ROM-5 in PC S-Disk format (I believe this S-550 software is already on lotus archive) S-550->S-50 converter in Macintosh DART format(lets S-550 read S-50 disks) Thats all...I have already tried u/ling to the lotus.UWaterloo.ca in the /pub/sgroup/incoming/ directory but got that pesky 'access denied' response. Laters, Marc K.Wilhite - Producer - Engineer - Music/Computer Programmer - Email: lupotb@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- "So the Maples formed a union and demanded equal rights" "The Oaks are just too greedy. We will make them give us light." "Now there's no more Oak oppression, for they passed a noble law" "And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw." -Neil Peart- --------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 14 22:33:06 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 22:32:56 -0500 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <174>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 22:26:52 -0500 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88155-1>; Tue, 14 Dec 1993 22:26:38 -0500 From: "John M. Sellens" To: lupotb@netcom.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: System software updates Message-Id: <93Dec14.222638est.88155-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 22:26:35 -0500 Status: R | Thats all...I have already tried u/ling to the lotus.UWaterloo.ca in the | /pub/sgroup/incoming/ directory but got that pesky 'access denied' | response. Contact me, and I'll arrange a way for you to get it to lotus. (This goes for anyone who has anything interesting to contribute to the archive.) Thanks John Sellens jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Dec 15 12:20:07 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-3>; Wed, 15 Dec 1993 12:20:04 -0500 Received: from husc8.harvard.edu ([128.103.25.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Wed, 15 Dec 1993 12:09:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 12:09:36 -0500 From: henrik@husc.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9312151709.AA14122@husc8.harvard.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: Marc Wilhite's message of Tue, 14 Dec 1993 21:26:40 -0500 <199312150226.SAA17781@mail.netcom.com> Subject: System software updates Status: R Sorry to tune in so late, but what's Macintosh DART format? And how do I convert that to something my S-50 can cope with? Do I need SAMDISK? Are these things self-extracting? And what about Naomi? I'll tune in next week for the answers to these and other exciting questions... larry... PS: please excuse me if i am a little punchy. on top of finals, it has been discovered that berklee's main buildings don't have enough oxygen to support all the people in them (and I thought I was falling asleep because my counterpoint class was boring)... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Dec 16 04:52:27 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Thu, 16 Dec 1993 04:52:14 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Thu, 16 Dec 1993 04:46:43 -0500 Received: from [192.187.228.11] by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id BAA02356; Thu, 16 Dec 1993 01:46:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199312160946.BAA02356@mail.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 04:46:59 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca From: lupotb@netcom.com (Marc Wilhite) Subject: Posted Roland OS updates Status: R I posted the Roland sampler operating system updates to the lotus archive in the pub/sgroup/incoming directory. These are all the files Roland Posted on Compu-serve. For Macintosh they include: S-770-221.hqx - Roland S-770 v2.21 in Mac DART format S330103.hqx - Roland S-330 v1.03 in Mac DART format S50-V2.0.hqx - Roland S-50 v2.0 in Mac DART format S-550-CD-ROM-5.hqx Roland S-550 CD-ROM 5 v1.0 in Mac DART format S550-S50-Conv.hqx Allows S-550 to read S-50 disks also in Mac DART format To use these files you will need a way to de-hqx them and the DART application which can be found on the lotus, sumex-aim, and merit archives. For MS-DOS machines: S77022.Z - Roland S-770 v2.21 in S-DISK format W30110.Z - Roland W-30 v1.10 in S-DISK format These files are unix compressed. You will need the S-DISK application found the lotus archive to use them. The S-550 OS is already on the archive. For an explanation on DART and SDISK there are text files as well as the actual applications on the lotus archive explaining everything you need to know. Actually, I believe Roland posted their own explanation on how to use these on Compu-serve, I will try to get them and post them on the mailing list if they have any valuable information. This is it, Roland hasn't yet posted all the files for both Macs and PCs and I only have a Macintosh to work with here so I can't convert them myself. Ill keep all of you posted if Roland puts anything new up on Compu-serve(an online commercial service, since some have asked about it). Thanks, --Marc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Dec 18 02:52:14 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-3>; Sat, 18 Dec 1993 02:52:08 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Dec 93 02:52:02 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Sat, 18 Dec 1993 02:43:31 -0500 Received: from [192.187.228.11] by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id XAA05430; Fri, 17 Dec 1993 23:43:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199312180743.XAA05430@mail.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 02:43:37 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca From: lupotb@netcom.com (Marc Wilhite) Subject: Re: New OS Status: R > Anyone tried the new S770/750 OS put on lotus during the week? I downloaded > it and sdisk'ed it OK, but the S750 doesn't boot off it once it has loaded. > Seems to show an empty screen with blank function boxes at the bottom and > the cursor. Then it just hangs. > > Anyone with an S750/770 able to get it to work? If anyone else is having problem with the S770/750 OS (the SDISK file) or any of the other OS files send me a message and Ill convert to an SMAC image file which I have heard is compatible with either SDISK or SAMDISK(dont remember which). Though, all I have is a Macintosh and my S-770 so I have no way of testing them on any other systems to be sure they work. Thanks. Marc K.Wilhite - Producer - Engineer - Music/Computer Programmer - Email: lupotb@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- "So the Maples formed a union and demanded equal rights" "The Oaks are just too greedy. We will make them give us light." "Now there's no more Oak oppression, for they passed a noble law" "And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw." -Neil Peart- --------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Dec 17 17:51:12 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Fri, 17 Dec 1993 17:51:08 -0500 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.99.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Fri, 17 Dec 1993 17:45:24 -0500 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.4/8.6.beta.2) with SMTP id JAA29697 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1993 09:44:40 +1100 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.2) id AA09115; Fri, 17 Dec 93 22:45:02 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA00340; Fri, 17 Dec 93 22:45:43 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA13245; Fri, 17 Dec 93 22:45:42 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01255; Fri, 17 Dec 93 22:45:41 GMT Message-Id: <9312172245.AA01255@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: New OS To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 04:45:41 -0500 From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j}; Sun, 19 Dec 1993 16:02:28 -0500 Received: from MAX.UREGINA.CA ([142.3.100.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Sun, 19 Dec 1993 15:55:33 -0500 Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4007; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:58:59 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) id 2290; Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:58:59 CST Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 15:53:36 -0500 From: Jason Keeler Subject: W30 Drivers for SampleVision To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA Message-Id: <93Dec19.155533est.10@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: RO Something just occured to me; are there any W30 drivers for SampleVision available? I've been testing the transfer of some Ultrasound samples to the S550 and I've been quite impressed. I haven't yet tried taking the W30 to my friends place to see if either the S330, S550 or S50 drivers will work but I highly doubt it. Given that SampleVision is only $99 now, I would consider buying it if only to do sample transfers. P.S. I transferred a few of the samples from the Guitar Slinger .MOD over to the S550....WOW!!! Things are starting to look pretty exciting. ...Jason From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 21 05:11:18 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-2>; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 05:11:11 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Dec 93 05:11:02 -0500 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 05:04:00 -0500 From: Received: from gamma.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.4/UniDo 2.0.9) id LAA28311; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 11:03:44 +0100 Message-Id: <9312211003.AA14250@gamma.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by gamma.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA14250; Tue, 21 Dec 93 11:03:43 +0100 To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Re: New OS (S750) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 07:03:42 -0500 Status: R > Anyone tried the new S770/750 OS put on lotus during the week? I downloaded > it and sdisk'ed it OK, but the S750 doesn't boot off it once it has loaded. > Seems to show an empty screen with blank function boxes at the bottom and > the cursor. Then it just hangs. Same Problem! > Anyone with an S750/770 able to get it to work? > > BTW, to the kind person who obtained the os upgrades (thank you Marc, for > doing this), did Roland include any info about what is in the new releases? > I don't want to upgrade all my disks if I don't have to as all my customised > function boxes, volume names, templates and the like are all lost :-( Same Questions! > If anyone else is having problem with the S770/750 OS (the SDISK file) or > any of the other OS files send me a message and Ill convert to an SMAC > image file which I have heard is compatible with either SDISK or > SAMDISK(dont remember which). Though, all I have is a Macintosh and my > S-770 so I have no way of testing them on any other systems to be sure they > work. This means the SMAC files work?! Are there informations about the new Roland Sampler and the S-7xx Turbo Kit? Is there a Digital I/O Interface Upgrade for the S-750? Thanks, Frank. Frank Hoffmann E-Mail: fhoffman@euklid.informatik.uni-dortmund.de From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 21 06:24:27 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 06:24:18 -0500 Received: from waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ([129.217.4.42]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 06:19:13 -0500 From: Received: from theta.informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (Sendmail 8.6.4/UniDo 2.0.9) id MAA01125; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 12:18:59 +0100 Message-Id: <9312211118.AA05117@theta.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by theta.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA05117; Tue, 21 Dec 93 12:18:57 +0100 To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: Problems with Dart Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 08:18:57 -0500 Status: R I tried to get the S-770/750 OS 2.21 from Lotus. But there are some Problems: 1. The SDisk Archive does not work. -> O.K., trying the Mac-Archive 2. The Dart-Archive does not work with the Dart Version from Lotus. Says something like: ...try a newer Version of Dart... ??? Where can I get a new Dart Version ??? Thanks, Frank. Frank Hoffmann E-Mail: fhoffman@euklid.informatik.uni-dortmund.de From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Dec 21 10:14:00 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-2>; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 10:13:51 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Dec 93 10:13:47 -0500 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <186>; Tue, 21 Dec 1993 10:08:39 -0500 Received: from avocado (avocado.msfc.nasa.gov) by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA09989; Tue, 21 Dec 93 08:49:53 CST Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 09:49:52 -0500 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9312211449.AA09989@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S-750 info Status: R I tried to send this out last week, in response to someone (I've lost the attribution) who posted an inquiry about the S-7xx samplers. Due to problems at our end, it apparently didn't make it out. So, here it is again. >I am interested in the new Roland S-760 sampler. Does anyone know what >kind of sample RAM it takes (standard or proprietary SIMMS?) Also, The S-750/770 take standard SIMMs... once you buy an expansion board, which is about $300. They can be taken to, I think, 18 MB. >do the S-7** series samplers have a sequencer? No. >How does the video interface >compare to that of the S-50, with which I am familiar? I've never seen an S-50, so I'll just briefly describe the S-750 interface and let you judge. The 750 uses a sort of menu-driven interface. There are numerous pages, which can be brought up by either menu selections or by function keys. The pages are pretty crude-looking, compared to your basic Windows, Mac, etc., interface. The text used is a blocky 40-characters-per-line font. Use of color is pretty good, though. There are a number of pages that you let you work on a graphic representation of a waveform, and even one page that lets you draw waveforms with the mouse. All of the pages are pretty complicated, with zillions of options, and it takes a lot of manual-studying to find your way around. But at least every menu and page is easily accessible; there's none of this business of having to go through ten different menus to get to a particular function. The video interfaces to a standard VGA-capable monitor, provided you have the right cable. Sadly, Roland doesn't ship the cable with the unit; you have to buy it separately, and get dinged for about $30. They make two; one with a modern D-connector interface, and one for the old-style M-block connector. There is also a composite video output, but from personal experience I can tell you: don't figure on using it for any length of time. It's monochrome, and the resolution is very poor. In short, it sucks. You can operate the unit without a monitor, using the built-in backlit LCD display. This display is very crisp, with good contrast and resolution, and a decent view angle range. But, some of the fancier graphics pages (like the wave-drawing page) don't work with the LCD display; for these, you need a monitor. (This applies to sample construction and editing pages; you can access all of the performance functions without a monitor.) Hope that was enough. Write if you need more details. Dave (P.S.: I *finally* got my RC-100. I'll write a review in a few days, after I've had a chance to play with it for a while.) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Dec 23 15:05:03 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-3>; Thu, 23 Dec 1993 15:04:58 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <672>; Thu, 23 Dec 1993 14:57:14 -0500 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA26708; Thu, 23 Dec 93 14:57:08 -0500 Received: from krfiny.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 145532.23813; Thu, 23 Dec 1993 14:55:32 EST Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 23 Dec 93 15:51 EST Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 23 Dec 93 14:54 EST Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@uunet.UU.NET (UNIXMAN) Subject: TX16W FTP SITE To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1993 14:54:29 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO For all those interested, there is also a Yamaha TX16W sampler ftp site at the same SampleVision FTP site address: 128.255.19.233 in /pub/tx16w. This directory contains a cool new version of SOX7 that can read all the Yamaha TX16W sampler files located at that same ftp site in that directory. You can convert any of the Yamaha sample files into .WAV or .SMP or any other format that SOX handles. This works quite well, I just converted a Yamaha TX16W sampler disk file of Fairlight CMI series IIx samples using the new SOX and converted them into SampleVision files. I uploaded them into my S-550 and voila!! I now have a few of the Fairlight CMI IIx library sounds (think of Miami Vice and early 80's Peter Gabriel). The Yamaha TX16W user group there has quite a few interesting disks on the ftp site of many classic synths such as PPG Wave, Prophet 5, and others. Not to mention the collection of SampleVision sounds in the /pub/samplevision directory. I will probably try to upload any new S-550 disks that I make to lotus, but I have been pretty busy lately so I would recommend that you try converting the sounds yourself first. Bottom line is this, it does work. Just unzip the TX16W sample files, you will get many sample files called something like "ppgbass.w04", rename this to "ppgbass.txw". Run the new sox (on the ftp site) like this: sox -V -ttxw ppgbass.txw This will list the sampling rate and info on the TX16W sample file. Then sox -V -ttxw -r33000 ppgbass.txw ppgbass.smp You now have a nice SampleVision converted sample for uploading into your Roland S-xxx sampler. I like free samples -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 MS-EE student EE-CS Dept. internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University NY davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------------