From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Nov 1 21:56:48 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:56:33 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 1 Nov 93 21:56:28 -0500 Received: from leonis.nus.sg ([137.132.1.18]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:51:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (law23718@localhost) by leonis.nus.sg (8.2/8.2) id KAA25017; Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:49:44 +0800 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:42:18 -0500 From: Lim Chin Ping Suzanne Subject: phasing effect? To: SGROUP Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R This message was forwarded from Benjamin Ang ---------------------- i've been told that i can make my patches more 'spacey' by layering tones that are out of phase. any suggestions how to do this? i've been creating flanging patches by layering tones that are detuned. is the phasing effect anything like this? ---------------------- law23718@leonis.nus.sg National University of Singapore From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Nov 6 00:33:29 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88185-2>; Sat, 6 Nov 1993 00:33:24 -0500 Received: from relay2.geis.com ([192.77.188.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Sat, 6 Nov 1993 00:20:59 -0500 Received: by relay2.geis.com (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA12508; Sat, 6 Nov 93 05:20:21 GMT From: p.lanctot@genie.geis.com Message-Id: <9311060520.AA12508@relay2.geis.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 22:35:00 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Phasing X-Genie-Id: 6636202 X-Genie-From: P.LANCTOT Status: R A simple way to get the phaing effect is to send 2 or more identicle midi notes to the sampler ( or any synth, for that matter) I've used this effect alot, especially when I used to use my D-50 as a master controller and forgot to turn "Local Off" ;) Just be careful not to use more voices than are available, this used to lock up my S330 with Panic Button - proof stuck notes and I'd have to reboot! ----------paul From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Nov 8 01:44:54 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88214-2>; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 01:44:45 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 8 Nov 93 01:44:42 -0500 Received: from csn.org ([128.138.213.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Mon, 8 Nov 1993 01:39:26 -0500 Received: from rainbow.sosi.com by csn.org with SMTP id AA06537 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 7 Nov 1993 23:39:00 -0700 Subject: Sequences Anyone? To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 01:39:48 -0500 From: John Hunter X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1134 Message-Id: <9311072339.aa12600@rainbow.sosi.com> Status: R Hi to all sgroup members, I just joined today (7 Nov 93) and have a (mostly legal) proposition for anyone who's interested. This may have occurred to members already, but I didn't see any signs of it in the libraries. Director-S disks with sequences can also be used with the samdisk programs to enable all of us to transfer sequences back and forth across the INet. Mac, Amiga, Atari, and DOS machines can benefit from this as well as others I may have missed. I have Megs of sequences from around the world, and produced locally that I'll be posting as soon as I find out I'm not infringing Roland's copyright by doing so. Sample disks for use with each sequence will be included. All I have is a S-330, but S-550 users can do the same. Did anyone else think of this? Comments, questions? I'd like to think I had something new to contribute, but don't really care as long as we use the idea. Later, John Hunter, MSgt, USAF jmhunter@sosi.com Free-lance Programming Consultant Spectrum On-Line Systems, Inc. Colorado Springs, CO 80914 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!Sgroup-owner Sun Oct 31 14:31:25 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Sun, 31 Oct 1993 14:31:22 -0500 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com ([192.100.81.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <160>; Sun, 31 Oct 1993 14:25:13 -0500 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA02194; Sun, 31 Oct 93 11:25:31 -0800 From: filmuse@netcom.com (Jim Norman) Message-Id: <9310311925.AA02194@netcom2.netcom.com> Subject: SampleTools sfoftw To: Sgroup@lotus.Uwaterloo.ca Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 14:25:31 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO I thought I'd put this information for any S-50, S-550, and W-30 owners. There was some software written for the Atari Platform for the above sampler owners. It is put out by an Italian company named Intersound and Soft. Mail address ddress is Loretostra 47/49 L-39040 Salurn (BZ) Italien. Phone and Fax 0030 471-881616. The current program is Unistar, which can edit all the above samplers. Isamplers. I haven't been able to examine the current version. I've only seen Sampletools. Which I believe to be the best editor libraian for samplers on the AtaAtari. The price for the program is $500.00 in europe. A bit pricey compared to programs here in the states, but Mr. Constantin the software editor is uninterested in changing the price here in the US. This might also be the reason why noonreason why no company distributes the program here in the US. Any questions. Jim -- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 9 06:28:22 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-3>; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 06:28:19 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 9 Nov 93 06:28:14 -0500 Received: from icil64.cilea.it ([131.175.1.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 06:23:54 -0500 Received: from ICIL64.CILEA.IT by ICIL64.CILEA.IT (PMDF V4.2-14 #2920) id <01H540WSXXV49UN7U3@ICIL64.CILEA.IT>; Tue, 9 Nov 1993 12:23:40 MET-DST Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 06:23:40 -0500 From: MTVENTUR@icil64.cilea.it Subject: W30 sequencer editing To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <01H540WSZ0G29UN7U3@ICIL64.CILEA.IT> X-Vms-To: IN%"sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: R On Wed, 27 Oct 1993 Rick_Fiorentino@vos.stratus.com wrote: >Hello fellow Rolandites(?), > Is the W30 disk format DOS compatible? The reason I ask is I would like >to be able to take songs I have sequenced up on the W30 and do some editing >on a PC. On 28-OCT-199 "artcrrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu" "Roth Ritter" wrote: >I'm not sure how compatible it is, but I know that the W30 are formated >as IBM. Once I put in a W30 disk in a PC and loaded a DOS file utility >(i.e. one that shows the files and lets you do renames, deletes, etc..) >and saw a couple of files on the W30 disk that I was able to view in >ASCII/HEX mode. All I could see was the names of songs and sounds. I also >successfully changed these names through the editor. So, again, I'm sure >it is, but to what extend I don't know... The W30 disk format is DOS compatible. There are two kinds of disks, song and sound&song. From the DOS point of view there is no difference, you can put them in the PC drive and list the content with the "DIR" command. What you will see putting a blank disk of either type is: --------------------------------------------------------- Il volume nell'unita' B e' Directory di B:\ SONG DIR 2048 1 file 2048 byte 728064 byte disponibili --------------------------------------------------------- The file "SONG.DIR" is always present, as long as you save songs from the W30 sequencer you will see files from "SONG63.DAT" (first song saved) to "SONG00.DAT" - the W30 disk cannot hold more than 64 songs. As Roth Ritter pointed out, the "SONG.DIR" file contains the titles of the songs, and more precisely it does contain from the 9th to the 41st character of the .DAT corresponding song file. The size 2048 bytes means that you can hold 64 * 32 bytes, i. e. "SONG.DIR" is the directory for the W30 sequencer when you try to save or load songs. The link between the title in "SONG.DIR" and the "SONGnn.DAT" files is in the position of the title in "SONG.DIR" and the suffix nn in the name of the file: the last position for the "SONG63.DAT", the first for the "SONG00.DAT". The difference between song and sound&song disk is the following: the sound&song disk is similar in structure to the song disk, it has less space free because the sound data are in a protected area of the disk. If you execute the command "CHKDSK" you will get the message that there are errors, because the sound data don't belong to any file. You can see it with any program who can perform a "mapping" of the disk. All what I observed is from the PC - DOS point of view. I suppose that also Atari or Mac users can find the same. I wrote two programs in basic: one reads the W30 songs from the floppy into the hard disk renaming them with the first eight chars of the title, the other makes the opposite: it reads from a list of valid file names and build on a floppy (a blank song disk formatted on the W30 or created with samdisk) a valid song disk with songs in the order you gave in the file. Soon will be available C programs to handle W30 disks as DOS disks. I saw that people who own a W30 use many different computers: let me know what do you prefer, I will give the source code to anyone or John Sellens can put it somewhere available to anyone. Only a request: share with me any progress concerning this field. -Paolo From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Nov 10 03:20:16 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 03:20:05 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Nov 93 03:19:59 -0500 Received: from pamir.inria.fr ([192.93.2.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <111>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 03:14:54 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=inria/ADMD=atlas/C=fr/; Relayed; 10 Nov 93 09:14:39+0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=cea/ADMD=atlas/C=FR/; Relayed; 10 Nov 93 09:14:42+0100 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 04:14:00 -0500 From: David HAUBENSACK Message-Id: <9311100814.AA11945@hostsit.cad.cea.fr> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Phasing Status: RO > A simple way to get the phaing effect is to send 2 or more > identicle midi notes to the sampler ( or any synth, for that > matter) I've used this effect alot, especially when I used > to use my D-50 as a master controller and forgot to turn > "Local Off" ;) Just be careful not to use more voices > than are available, this used to lock up my S330 with Panic > Button - proof stuck notes and I'd have to reboot! > ----------paul Well it does not work perfectly on every synth. It supposes that your synth has an intelligent merge between the MIDI IN and LOCAL ON signals. Not always the case. But it works perfectly on a sequencer if you just double the track you want to phase. You can even add a little time offset to one of the track to increase this effect, that sounds for me more like a chorus. David. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Nov 10 11:47:26 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:47:17 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:47:05 -0500 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:43:05 -0500 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:42:11 -0500 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA00438; Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:40:13 -0500 Received: from krfiny.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 102657.5280; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:26:57 EST Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Wed, 10 Nov 93 10:21 EST Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 10 Nov 93 10:28 EST Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@uunet.uu.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: Phasing on S-series samplers To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 10:28:34 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Regarding the "phasing" effect people have been posting about, I think the best way of doing this (at least on the S-series samplers) is to set the Patch parameter "Unison" so two voices are assigned to a Midi note-on event to play the Patch. Then you can adjust the Unison detune parameter of the patch to apply the degree of Phasing or Chorusing you wish. This is much more efficient than sending the sampler two Midi note-on events at the same time for the same patch, and is a much "cleaner" approach to producing the effect. I have used the Unison mode on some patches to "fatten" them up or give 'em a phase shift effect. It works great, especially on big Industrial "techno-grungy" synth samples. Of course, I also run 'em through my Alesis QuadraVerb too :-) Any news regarding the sgroup member who was going to upload the most recent version of S-550 CD operating system disk to lotus ?? Last I heard about that topic was a month or so ago. It was a more recent version than the CD 1.0 O/S version currently on lotus. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 MS-EE student EE-CS Dept. internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University NY davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Nov 10 11:56:33 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:56:27 -0500 Received: from dront.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.70]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:51:05 -0500 Received: by dront.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA17083; Wed, 10 Nov 93 17:50:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:50:44 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9311101650.AA17083@dront.nada.kth.se> To: davidw%rnd220@uunet.uu.net, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Phasing on S-series samplers Status: R > I think the best way of doing this (at least on the S-series samplers) > is to set the Patch parameter "Unison" so two voices are assigned Hmm, I have none such parameter. However, just adding the same sample twice in a partial, and detuning one copy a little, does the same thing (except they both share the partial filter settings) Cheers, /h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Nov 15 14:29:28 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-2>; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:29:16 -0500 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:15:55 -0500 Received: from peach.msfc.nasa.gov by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA08950; Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:02:53 CST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 14:02:53 -0500 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9311151902.AA08950@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Phasing on S-series samplers Status: RO >> I think the best way of doing this (at least on the S-series samplers) >> is to set the Patch parameter "Unison" so two voices are assigned >Hmm, I have none such parameter. However, just adding the same >sample twice in a partial, and detuning one copy a little, does >the same thing (except they both share the partial filter settings) Another S-750 user. Here's a pair of tricks I've done on the 750; I don't know what other models these are possible on. 1. Make two copies of a sample in memory, and assign them to different partials. Change the loop points on one, so that it is a few words longer or shorter than the other copy. 2. Make two copies, like above, and use time stretch to slightly lengthen and detune one. Works great on long percussion samples (snares, cymbals, etc.) (Of course, both of these mean that the patch eats up two voices for every note that is on. You could overcome this by internal resampling.) Dave From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Nov 15 15:25:38 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 15:25:28 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 15:21:46 -0500 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA01777; Mon, 15 Nov 93 15:19:18 EST Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA03439; Mon, 15 Nov 93 15:19:15 EST Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 15:19:15 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9311152019.AA03439@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Director-S Status: RO Upon joining the sgroup, John Hunter said: > This may have occurred to members already, but I didn't see > any signs of it in the libraries. Director-S disks with sequences > can also be used with the samdisk programs to enable all of us to transfer > sequences back and forth across the INet. Mac, Amiga, Atari, and DOS > machines can benefit from this as well as others I may have missed. > > I have Megs of sequences from around the world, and produced > locally that I'll be posting as soon as I find out I'm not infringing I wasn't aware that anybody else was using Director-S! Those "Megs of sequences from around the world" that you have, are they Dir-S files? On another note, one problem that has always plagued me is that some notes, which always seem to be on the downbeat (if not the first beat of a pattern), fail to play the first time after being loaded into memory from the disk. All replays after that work fine! Have you ever noticed that? Many sgroups responses guessed at solutions but, unfortunately, none ever panned out. And nobody at Roland has a clue as I doubt that they have ever been able to reproduce the error. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Nov 15 17:14:38 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 17:14:34 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Nov 93 17:14:30 -0500 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu ([132.239.50.13]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <164>; Mon, 15 Nov 1993 17:05:54 -0500 Received: by sdcc13.ucsd.edu (5.67/1.37.bk) id AA24349; Mon, 15 Nov 93 14:03:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 17:03:35 -0500 From: jdawes@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Handle Head Messiah) Message-Id: <9311152203.AA24349@sdcc13.ucsd.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: LOOking for samples Status: RO Hello sgroupers! I have been unable to find any decent Bagpipe samples. Does anybody have one in S50/S550 format? ( Or maybe a good resource for sampling? ) Also I am looking for Raven sounds ( Squaking, etc. ) and any dark Choral pieces with both male and female singers singing simultaneously. Thanks for your help John Dawes. PS: I know these are wierd combinations, but I am on the verge of an Industrial/Gothic masterpiece! Thanks again Guys&Gals PSS: the bagpipe sample I am looking for is a solo bagpipe. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 16 09:44:47 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 09:44:38 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 09:39:34 -0500 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA09455; Tue, 16 Nov 93 09:34:37 EST Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA03611; Tue, 16 Nov 93 09:34:33 EST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 09:34:33 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9311161434.AA03611@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: Director-S Status: RO Paul Martin responded: > Bill, way back when I was using Director-S, I noticed that problem as > well. Strange isn't it. Speaking of Director S, I do have a copy of it > for the 550 if you're ever interested. Did you ever find a fix for it? I'm still trying on my copy. BTW, during my last move (December '92) I lost my key. I had to pay $50 for a new one. Anyway, I have an MC-50 now so I'm going to sequence on it in the future. Bill From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 16 11:21:03 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 11:20:57 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 11:15:59 -0500 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA10369; Tue, 16 Nov 93 11:12:44 EST Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA03643; Tue, 16 Nov 93 11:12:40 EST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 11:12:40 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9311161612.AA03643@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: Director-S Status: RO Phil Regan asked: > Just been reading your correspondence re the Director-S and was wondering > if you happened to know where I might obtain a copy for the S50 ? Maybe an S-50 owner or Jim Norman can give an answer. I know there was a sequencer that ran on the S-50 but I never knew its name. [ We were never properly introduced. :-) ] Somehow I doubt that Director-S will run on an S-50; I always thought that it was S-550 specific, though I may be wrong. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 16 11:56:11 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 11:56:00 -0500 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 11:50:44 -0500 Received: from tinton.ccur.com (via tinton.tinton.ccur.com) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA10394; Tue, 16 Nov 93 11:49:43 -0500 Received: from cantor by tinton.tinton.ccur.com SMTP/TCP Channel id aa22682; 16 Nov 93 11:49 EST Subject: What is the value of the S-550? To: Roland Sampler SIG Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 11:48:58 -0500 From: Keith O McConnell X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9311161148.aa00471@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Status: RO Anyone know what the S-550 is worth these days? I seem to remember that they were going for about $1600. Is this the fair market value? Is anyone interested in buying mine? I'm looking at purchasing an ADAT and trying to raise the funds :-) Keith -- /=======================================================================\ | Keith McConnell Concurrent Computer Corporation | | kom@tinton.ccur.com "The camel is a horse designed | | (908) 870-4983 by a committee." -Anonymous | \=======================================================================/ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 16 13:41:27 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 13:41:19 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 13:36:15 -0500 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA11653; Tue, 16 Nov 93 13:31:57 EST Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA03692; Tue, 16 Nov 93 13:31:53 EST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 13:31:53 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9311161831.AA03692@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: What is the value of the S-550? Status: RO Keith McConnell in fund raising mode: > Anyone know what the S-550 is worth these days? I seem to remember that > they were going for about $1600. Is this the fair market value? > > Is anyone interested in buying mine? I'm looking at purchasing an ADAT > and trying to raise the funds :-) I bought my second S-550 last year for $800. I didn't know what the market was bearing but I liked the price. Getting a second S-550 was what kept me sane while my studio was in storage. Besides, what other way is there of increasing S-550 sample memory? Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 16 17:38:36 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 17:38:25 -0500 Received: from apple.com ([130.43.2.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 17:14:11 -0500 Received: by apple.com (5.61/8-Oct-1993-eef) id AA03563; Tue, 16 Nov 93 13:08:20 -0800 Received: from nlp4.UUCP by nli.com (4.1/nli.com(V1.0)) id AA13556; Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:41:57 PST Received: from nlp16.nli.com (nlp16.ARPA) by nlp4 (4.1/nli(V1.0)) id AA05455; Tue, 16 Nov 93 12:24:06 PST Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 15:24:06 -0500 From: stan@nli.com (Stan Sawyer) Message-Id: <9311162024.AA05455@nlp4> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aloft.att.com Subject: Re: Director-S Status: R >Maybe an S-50 owner or Jim Norman can give an answer. I know there was >a sequencer that ran on the S-50 but I never knew its name. [ We were >never properly introduced. :-) ] Somehow I doubt that Director-S will >run on an S-50; I always thought that it was S-550 specific, though I >may be wrong. As a *former* S-50 owner, I can give a definitive, YES. There is Director-S for the S-50. I assume that I gave mine away when I sold the S-50, but if someone needs a copy I can either see if I still have one or put you in touch with the person to whom I sold my S-50... sgs@netcom.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 16 21:24:04 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88174-1>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 21:23:59 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Nov 93 21:23:52 -0500 Received: from leonis.nus.sg ([137.132.1.18]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Tue, 16 Nov 1993 21:17:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (isc26235@localhost) by leonis.nus.sg (8.6.4/8.6.4/CNS-2.0) id KAA21195 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 10:17:23 +0800 From: Fong Siu Lun Brian Message-Id: <199311170217.KAA21195@leonis.nus.sg> Subject: Disk error? To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 21:17:22 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 535 Status: R Hi guys, This is for W30 owners. When I try to make a sound+song disk loaded with my own samples and patches (making sure of course that all the tones can fit in nicely) saving all the data onto disk is ok...but when I come back to reloading the entire sound set back into W30 memory, I consistently get Disk Error message. The W30 also spends a lot of time trying to get those patches in. i.e. you see the timer going from 70+sec down then loop again.. arrr...am I doing something wrong here? -Brian- "Will program GUS for food" From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Nov 17 04:37:21 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 04:37:18 -0500 Received: from apple.com ([130.43.2.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 04:32:10 -0500 Received: by apple.com (5.61/8-Oct-1993-eef) id AA06271; Tue, 16 Nov 93 23:08:25 -0800 Received: from nlp4.UUCP by nli.com (4.1/nli.com(V1.0)) id AA14093; Tue, 16 Nov 93 22:41:37 PST Received: from nlp16.nli.com (nlp16.ARPA) by nlp4 (4.1/nli(V1.0)) id AA06626; Tue, 16 Nov 93 22:20:05 PST Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 01:20:05 -0500 From: stan@nli.com (Stan Sawyer) Message-Id: <9311170620.AA06626@nlp4> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aloft.att.com Subject: Re: Director-S Status: R I just read this on a bulletin board connected to "MIDIlink": > FOR SALE: > >I have the Roland Director-S Sequencer Package (SYS-553) for the S-550 >which includes 3 disks, a manual, and a dongle (the lock device, or >key). This software requires a CRT. > >$42 Or Best Offer. (No reasonable offers refused - I paid approx. $200 >for it in 1989.) >--- > * SLMR 2.0 * Make headlines! Use a corduroy pillow. > p TNet 3.60 v MidiLink>> Midi Out BBS - Philadelphia 215-472-9371 > >PCRelay:SNDMGMT -> #618 MIDILINK MUSICIANS' NETWORK >4.10 Sound Management - MIDILink Net 708*949*MIDI > If anyone is interested and wants to avoid the long distance call if it's already sold or whatever, I'd be glad to send a message for you. stan From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Nov 10 00:28:55 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 00:28:44 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Nov 93 00:28:35 -0500 Received: from relay2.geis.com ([192.77.188.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Wed, 10 Nov 1993 00:23:05 -0500 Received: by relay2.geis.com (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA23788; Wed, 10 Nov 93 05:22:46 GMT From: p.lanctot@genie.geis.com Message-Id: <9311100522.AA23788@relay2.geis.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 21:59:00 -0500 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca To: Subject: Phasing X-Genie-Id: 5225144 X-Genie-From: P.LANCTOT Status: RO A simple way to get the phaing effect is to send 2 or more identicle midi notes to the sampler ( or any synth, for that matter) I've used this effect alot, especially when I used to use my D-50 as a master controller and forgot to turn "Local Off" ;) Just be careful not to use more voices than are available, this used to lock up my S330 with Panic Button - proof stuck notes and I'd have to reboot! ----------paul (if you've seen this message already then sorry. It was returned to me as 'not sent'.) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Nov 17 18:38:08 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88174-3>; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 18:37:59 -0500 Received: from dront.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.70]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Wed, 17 Nov 1993 18:29:18 -0500 Received: by dront.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA23714; Thu, 18 Nov 93 00:28:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 18:28:20 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9311172328.AA23714@dront.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Accordion, please! Status: R I have a pop (done myself) I have explosions I have french horns (no snickering in the back!) I have tremolo strings I have NO accordion sample Opening on Tuesday. Thanx in advance! / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- This article printed on 100% recycled electrons. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Nov 18 11:56:24 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-3>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 11:56:20 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <164>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 11:51:08 -0500 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA09883; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:50:12 -0500 Received: from krfiny.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 114852.23761; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 11:48:52 EST Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 18 Nov 93 12:45 EST Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 18 Nov 93 11:47 EST Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@uunet.UU.NET (UNIXMAN) Subject: SampleVision ftp site To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 11:47:23 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Just to let all sgroupies know, I read about a new SampleVision ftp site "ftp-ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de" 129.217.52.140 The guy who started it is garncarz@sfu.ca I looked there, but so far there are a whole lot of sample subdirs, but not much of anything there yet. Apparently, the site will accept Digidesign samples and raw samples too. Anyone with SampleVision, Wave for Windows, or whatever, please post your samples to that site !! I think it's a great idea to have a SampleVision ftp site, I hope everyone uses it. - Roland S-550, Korg Wavestation EX : there is no substitute :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 MS-EE student EE-CS Dept. internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University NY davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Nov 18 14:56:04 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88174-1>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 14:55:53 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 14:51:36 -0500 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA05603; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:48:46 EST Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA04437; Thu, 18 Nov 93 14:48:42 EST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 14:48:42 -0500 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9311181948.AA04437@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: SampleVision ftp site Status: R David J. Wilson informs us: > Just to let all sgroupies know, I read about a new SampleVision > ftp site "ftp-ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de" 129.217.52.140 I don't have SampleVision and I doubt that my poor old, mouseless PC could run it unless it comes on 5.25" 360K floppies. But out of curiosity, I logged onto the ftp site... just for jollies. Here's the directory architecture I found: | ftp> cd pub/samplevision | ftp> ls -l | -rw-rw-r-- 1 7003 824 Nov 4 08:33 README | drwxrwxr-x 13 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 samples | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 15 11:37 util | | ftp> cd util | ftp> ls -l | -rw-rw-r-- 1 7003 12802 Nov 15 11:37 tx2smp.zip | | ftp> cd ../samples | ftp> ls -l | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 ambient | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 contemporary | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 drums | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 fix | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 fx | drwxrwxr-x 4 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 loops | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 misc | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 new | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 orchestral | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 synths | drwxrwxr-x 2 7003 512 Nov 4 08:22 vocal The README file in /pub contains: | This directory contains the following sub-directories: | | incoming - directory for uploads | reports - technical reports | tools - various software we keep archived | tx16w - the Yamaha TX16W sampler archive The README file in /pub/samplevision contains: | This directory tree contains sound samples in SampleVision format. | | You are very welcome to upload samples. Please obey the following rules: | | - Uploads should go into the directory /pub/incoming. | | - Send me (ruprecht@ls7.informatik.uni-dortmund.de) mail containing a | short description and information where to put the file. | | - Uploads should be in PKZIP format, and should contain the following: | | 1. contents.txt - written by the uploader, which lists the samples in the | zip file and a short description of each. | ex. BOOM.SMP-the exxon valdez hitting the rocks | | 2. .smp files and/or subdirectories containg them. | | Other than providing the space and moving stuff to the proper place I | have nothing to do with this. | info/question/suggestions send to daSZ (garncarz@sfu.ca) | | Nick Ruprecht I went into a few of the subdirectories but they were empty. Since I didn't go into all of them, there may be samples that I didn't see. Must be real new. As it fills up, maybe some kind sgrouper who has SampleVision will grap samples, convert them to S-550 format, samdisk them, and upload them for us! Cheers. Bill Fox -------- Now that there's only one guy left in the group, maybe he should call himself Tear for Fear. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Thu Nov 18 18:21:45 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88183-1>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 18:21:38 -0500 Received: from MAX.UREGINA.CA ([142.3.100.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Thu, 18 Nov 1993 18:17:42 -0500 Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2814; Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:18:13 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) id 6455; Thu, 18 Nov 93 17:18:12 CST Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 18:14:00 -0500 From: Jason Keeler Subject: S330 Patch Copying To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA Message-Id: <93Nov18.181742est.10@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Hi folx; It's been a while, but now I'm back (at least for the next month or so) I know I've asked this question in the past (about a year ago) but I thought I'd see if there were any further developments. My question is in regards to any software updates to 1.03 that allows for copying of patches, in addition to the copying of the associated tones for that patch. I know that the S-50 had an update some time ago that could do this. Are there any other companies out there who may have written such a thing (tone genics?) Also, has anyone ever ordered samples from MIDIMARK? Jason From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Nov 19 00:36:36 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-3>; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 00:36:34 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 19 Nov 93 00:36:25 -0500 Received: from relay2.geis.com ([192.77.188.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 00:31:28 -0500 Received: by relay2.geis.com (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA10620; Fri, 19 Nov 93 05:30:08 GMT From: p.lanctot@genie.geis.com Message-Id: <9311190530.AA10620@relay2.geis.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 20:30:00 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: disk error messages X-Genie-Id: 7373305 X-Genie-From: P.LANCTOT Status: RO I don't have a w30 but I did have an s330 and this would happen to me whenever th s330 "heard" midi information (especially patch changes) *while* I was saving. SAVE would complete nomally (so I thought) but when I tryed to load from that disk it would try a couple of times then give me the disk error message. I eventually taught myself not to send ANY patch changes during save operations. If this doesn't apply to the W30 guy (-Brian-) it will apply to someone's case i hope. Also, throw away that disk where you'll never find it (you can extract individual tones and patterns etc. first if you want) 11, because it may come back to haunt you when you have no back-ups.--------------paul. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Nov 19 16:22:34 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-1>; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 16:22:28 -0500 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu ([132.239.50.13]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <10>; Fri, 19 Nov 1993 16:17:27 -0500 Received: by sdcc13.ucsd.edu (5.67/1.37.bk) id AA27078; Fri, 19 Nov 93 13:17:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 16:17:57 -0500 From: jdawes@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Handle Head Messiah) Message-Id: <9311192117.AA27078@sdcc13.ucsd.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: WAV's Status: R Hey all....Doesn't anyone know of a .WAV ftp site. ( Someplace with a huge selection! ) I know about ftp.cica.indiana.edu, though. Thanks agian. Also, just a quick question: Does anybody have samples of: Bagpipes, Ravens in the squacking black bird ), and that "finger piano" thing ( can't remember the name of it.) that is a small wood box for a resonator, and metal strips that are played with the thumbs. ( I have mainly seen them in African music, and mostly tuned in a Pentatonic Scale. ) Thanks! John. I'll try and get the name of that thingie. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Nov 22 15:05:50 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Mon, 22 Nov 1993 15:05:48 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 22 Nov 93 15:05:46 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Mon, 22 Nov 1993 14:55:21 -0500 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA21807; Mon, 22 Nov 93 14:55:06 -0500 Received: from krfiny.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 145334.27943; Mon, 22 Nov 1993 14:53:34 EST Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Mon, 22 Nov 93 15:49 EST Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 22 Nov 93 14:52 EST Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@uunet.UU.NET (UNIXMAN) Subject: SampleVision FTP site sounds To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 14:52:09 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO SampleVision FTP site 129.217.52.140 now has some sounds in it, I'm grabbing some right now. You apparantly can convert Yamaha TX16W sampler disks into .SMP files as well, pretty nifty. Try it out ... -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 MS-EE student EE-CS Dept. internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University NY davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 23 13:28:47 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 13:28:36 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:28:25 -0500 Received: from lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com ([155.95.177.193]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 13:20:37 -0500 Received: from carla.noname (carla.ndhm.gtegsc.com) by lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01803; Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:23:55 EST Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 13:23:55 -0500 From: joe@lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Joe Musmanno) Message-Id: <9311231823.AA01803@lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: S50 hacker mode? Status: R Hello all. I've just subscribed to this list, and I already have a request (people sure are pushy these days, yes?). The sgroup archives contain instructions on how to get the S550 into hacker mode, courtesy of David Wilson. In his post, he suggests that there are sgroup members who know how to get the S50 into hacker mode, as well. Could someone please tell me how to do this? Thanks very much. -j joe@lilith.ndhm.gtegsc.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Nov 25 17:51:53 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-3>; Thu, 25 Nov 1993 17:51:51 -0500 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.223.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Thu, 25 Nov 1993 17:46:09 -0500 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA01554; Thu, 25 Nov 93 23:45:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 17:45:26 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9311252245.AA01554@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S750 ghost virus bug Status: R This is scary. This is irritating. This has me pissed. I use an 18 MB S-750 packed with sounds for foley & effects for a play (I have to reload in the middle :-) Yesterday and today, at the same time in the play, random samples started playing without me doing anything! (It wasn't the same samples; at least did not seem like it) This comes when I've been silent for a long time (10 min? 20?) after playing two consecutive sound effects. I'm not 100% positive it's the Roland that's doing something wrong; it COULD be the MIDI controller, but it sounds as if it plays patches that are NOT in the currently selected performance! I use system version 2.19. My current theory is that something's strange with one of the effects, like a release loop of length 0 or something, and when the effect is done, a timer starts counting, and when it has come to wrapping around, it start playing "random" pieces of memory (or from the start of memory) I will test this theory tomorrow by going there EARLY, playing the effects, and reading a book for half an hour, listening to nothing... Luckily this didn't happen on our opening day; as for why I don't know. Any suggestions welcome, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Nov 25 18:34:52 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-3>; Thu, 25 Nov 1993 18:34:40 -0500 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Thu, 25 Nov 1993 18:29:53 -0500 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88171-1>; Thu, 25 Nov 1993 18:29:38 -0500 From: "John M. Sellens" To: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S750 ghost virus bug Message-Id: <93Nov25.182938est.88171-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 18:29:36 -0500 Status: R I was using my S330 for a play once, and it went crazy and stopped working. In my case, it was heat buildup from inadequate ventilation that was the culprit. If you have moved your sampler into the theatre, have you considered environmental changes? John From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Nov 26 04:58:44 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 04:58:35 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 26 Nov 93 04:58:26 -0500 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk ([132.146.5.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <171>; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 04:53:34 -0500 Received: from einstein.axion.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 26 Nov 1993 09:52:51 +0000 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S330 failures (was 750...) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 04:52:48 -0500 From: The Wizard of ID (Andy Gray) Message-Id: <93Nov26.045334est.171@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R My S330 has a nasty habit of being in the middle of a piece and then resetting itself. When all goes quiet you can see the display freeze and then the disk starts to reload, inevitably stating that a system disk is required. Someone mentioned that the CPU does a backward somersault and resets once it hits its carrier. Apart from being inconvenient its also bl**dy annoying! Andy. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Nov 29 00:57:13 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 00:57:07 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 00:50:21 -0500 Received: from remora.MorningStar.Com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93052901) id AA18509; Mon, 29 Nov 93 00:50:04 -0500 Received: by remora.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93052901) id AA16164; Mon, 29 Nov 93 00:50:02 -0500 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Mon, 29 Nov 93 00:46:07 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Mac utility to create sound files playable on a PC? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 00:46:07 -0500 Cc: midi@blink.att.com Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.httmet@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R Does anyone have or know of a Mac utility to create sound files that can be played on a PC? Thanks in advance, David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Nov 29 15:30:29 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 15:30:18 -0500 Received: from lear.Bos.Locus.COM ([192.80.81.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <160>; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 15:24:29 -0500 Received: from orchard.la.locus.com by lear.Bos.Locus.COM id aa02995; 29 Nov 93 15:24 EST Received: by orchard.la.locus.com (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0) from fafnir.la.locus.com with SMTP id AA103101 (for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, from tron@devnet.la.locus.com/tron@devnet.la.locus.com); Mon, 29 Nov 93 12:24:55 -0800 Received: by devnet.la.locus.com (5.61-AIX-1.2/0.07d) id AA102341 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 29 Nov 93 12:24:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 15:24:54 -0500 From: Michael Trofimoff Message-Id: <9311292024.AA102341@devnet.la.locus.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: W30 System Disk In Status: R Hi All, What's the latest W30 system disk (version #) out there? I haven't updated my system disk in about 2 years, so, I imagine there's probably a new version by now. BTW, can this stuff be downloaded or ftp'd ? Thanks, -=< tron >=- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Tue Nov 30 08:39:03 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 08:39:00 -0500 Received: from MAX.UREGINA.CA ([142.3.100.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <112>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 08:32:48 -0500 Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by MAX.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4251; Tue, 30 Nov 93 07:32:46 CST Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) id 2141; Tue, 30 Nov 93 07:32:46 CST Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 08:27:50 -0500 From: Jason Keeler Subject: W30 Display Noise To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA Message-Id: <93Nov30.083248est.112@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R I know this question has been asked in the past but I figured I would see if any new developments have been made. I phoned Roland Canada yesterday and spoke to one of the technicians who told me that for about $60, they could supress a good portion of the display noise depending on the display. He said in some cases they've been able to eliminate almost all of the sound yet in others barely none. Has anybody had anything done? I'm contemplating an interesting trade which would essentially swap my M1 for a W30 and then I'd trade my S330 for either a Korg 05/W or an Alesis S4 (if it ever gets here!). I've got the W30 here now but this display noise is going to drive me into insanity sooner or later! ...Jason From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 30 16:03:19 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:03:10 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <163>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 15:57:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA14168; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 12:57:09 -0800 From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) Message-Id: <199311302057.MAA14168@mail.netcom.com> Subject: I need the Techno Disk To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (S-550 Group) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 15:57:08 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Anyone out there that can help me? I need the Roland Techno Disk. I have SAMDISK so anyone can email it to me or direct me to an FTP site I would REALLY appreciate it. Also, Anyone hacked around with samdisk at all. I am wondering if anyone has looked at creating software to create custom sample disks for the S-550. Basically something that is a little more intelligent about arranging sample, tones,etc on a disk then what comes with the S-550 OS. Thanks in advance -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 30 16:56:44 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:56:38 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 30 Nov 93 16:56:36 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:49:42 -0500 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA12200; Tue, 30 Nov 93 16:48:52 -0500 Received: from krfiny.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 164510.4535; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:45:10 EST Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 30 Nov 93 17:40 EST Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 30 Nov 93 16:43 EST Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@uunet.UU.NET (UNIXMAN) Subject: CD5 latest disk To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:43:15 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I'm supposed to get the latest CD5 S550 operating system disk from Jim Norman in the mail (US Mail). When I get it, I'll e-mail it to John Sellens and he can put it on lotus. It supposedly has some nice handy little enhancements such as loading patches/tones in one shot, naming tones/patches via a little text window with all characters displayed, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 MS-EE student EE-CS Dept. internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University NY davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 30 19:53:39 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 19:53:33 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 30 Nov 93 19:53:29 -0500 Received: from mail.netcom.com ([192.100.81.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <171>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 19:48:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA21430; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 16:48:03 -0800 From: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) Message-Id: <199312010048.QAA21430@mail.netcom.com> Subject: CD-ROM To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (S-550 Group) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 19:47:59 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Ok Roland S_GROUPers I am about to get a CD-ROM for my PC and if I could get one that would work with my S-550 that would be sweeeet! What is the low-down on CD-ROM's for Roland Samplers? Thanks in advance -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you sjs@netcom.com | pick the pear with the big paw paw...... (415) 354-4908 | Have I given you a clue......? 800-722-2007x4908 | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 30 20:17:31 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 20:17:26 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 30 Nov 93 20:17:22 -0500 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.99.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <173>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 20:09:40 -0500 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.4/8.6.beta.2) with SMTP id MAA03634; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 12:07:58 +1100 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.2) id AA20933; Wed, 1 Dec 93 01:08:15 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA29080; Wed, 1 Dec 93 01:09:13 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA28750; Wed, 1 Dec 93 01:09:10 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20479; Wed, 1 Dec 93 01:08:57 GMT Message-Id: <9312010108.AA20479@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: Re: CD-ROM To: sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 07:08:56 -0500 Cc: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) In-Reply-To: <199312010048.QAA21430@mail.netcom.com>; from "Stephen Schow" at Nov 30, 93 7:47 pm From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} I am about to get a CD-ROM for my PC and if I could get one that would work => with my S-550 that would be sweeeet! To get your S550 to make use of a CDROM, you need the following: 1. Buy a SCSI CDROM, and not IDE. This means you need a SCSI card for your PC as well. Virtually any SCSI CDROM will work. 2. Get a SCSI upgrade for the 550, I'm not sure if this is available, although I do remember seeing someone on this list mention it. 3. Get CDROM's with S550 compatible samples. I have never seen any of these. Only for the S700 series, Akai, Ensoniq and SampleCell. So in short, I don't think you are going to be able to get much joy with a CDROM drive and your ol' S550. Sorry. :-( This is all IMHO, of course... Someone on the list may disagree with me. Nic. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Nov 30 21:41:45 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 21:41:43 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 30 Nov 93 21:41:31 -0500 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.99.99]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <181>; Tue, 30 Nov 1993 21:36:18 -0500 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.4/8.6.beta.2) with SMTP id NAA05632 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1993 13:35:42 +1100 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.2) id AA22553; Wed, 1 Dec 93 02:35:59 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA29441; Wed, 1 Dec 93 02:36:57 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA03638; Wed, 1 Dec 93 02:36:56 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20844; Wed, 1 Dec 93 02:36:42 GMT Message-Id: <9312010236.AA20844@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: Re: CD-ROM To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 08:36:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <199312010200.NAA04872@amalfi.trl.OZ.AU>; from "Jason Keeler" at Nov 30, 93 7:56 pm From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} Actually, I have seen at least one ad for S550 CD-ROMS. Check out page 68 => in Keyboard (November 1993) Thanks Jason, I'm glad someone has seen them. Haven't been able to get keyboard mag here for ages. Every newsagent seems to be out of stock. :-( The only Oz distributor of sample CDROMS certainly doesn't have any... Regards, Nic. ============================================================================== Nic Grant /\ Level 7, 363 Oxford Street Logica Pty. Limited / \ /\ Paddington, 2021, AUSTRALIA ________________________/ \ / \ /\____________________________________ Voice: +61 2 339 3744 \ / \/ Email: nic@nms.otc.com.au Fax: +61 2 339 3917 \/ ==============================================================================