From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 1 16:36:11 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 16:36:01 -0400 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 16:32:10 -0400 Received: from banana (banana.msfc.nasa.gov) by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA25936; Wed, 1 Sep 93 15:31:23 CDT Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 16:31:23 -0400 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9309012031.AA25936@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S-500 samples and K2000S Status: R Keith McConnell writes: >How difficult is it to convert S-550 disks to S-770 format. The 750/770 has a "Convert Load" option that will load S-550 samples. From there, you can save them on an S-770-format disk. They can also be converted to one of the other S-770 sample rates (48, 44.1, 24, 22.05). It's not too difficult, but I imagine doing a lot of them would be a lengthy process. Also, I don't recall how all the bits of the S-550 patch hierarchy map to the S-770 world. (I'll look in the manual tonight.) >Also, does this mean that S-770 disks use the DOS format? Well, the way the disk is formatted is compatible with DOS, but the file structure is not the same. If you want to experiment, send me a few S-550 disks, and I'll convert them and send them back. Drop me a line if you're interested. Dave From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 1 11:40:45 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 11:40:41 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 1 Sep 93 11:40:36 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 11:35:22 -0400 Received: from tinton.ccur.com (via tinton.tinton.ccur.com) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA29466; Wed, 1 Sep 93 11:35:04 -0400 Received: from cantor by tinton.tinton.ccur.com SMTP/TCP Channel id aa28301; 1 Sep 93 11:32 EDT Subject: S-500 samples and K2000S To: Roland Sampler SIG Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 11:31:52 -0400 From: Keith O McConnell X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9309011131.aa20586@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Status: RO This had been discussed before but I don't remember the details. I've recently gotten access to a K2000S (with Sampler option) and thought I read that it could read Roland S-550 sampler disks but when I tried it it complained that it was not a DOS disk. By further investigating I'm beginning to realize that the K2000S only reads S-770 disks. Is this true? This would be terrible since I have a big collection of S-550 disks. How difficult is it to convert S-550 disks to S-770 format. Also, does this mean that S-770 disks use the DOS format? Keith -- /=======================================================================\ | Keith McConnell | | Compilers and Tools Group ________ | | Oceanport, NJ / _____/__ | | /__/____/ / | | e-mail: kom@tinton.ccur.com Concurrent /_______/ | | Voice: (908) 870-4983 Computer Corporation | \=======================================================================/ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 1 17:18:45 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 17:18:43 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <186>; Wed, 1 Sep 1993 17:15:27 -0400 Received: from tinton.ccur.com (via tinton.tinton.ccur.com) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA15315; Wed, 1 Sep 93 17:15:16 -0400 Received: from cantor by tinton.tinton.ccur.com SMTP/TCP Channel id aa04598; 1 Sep 93 17:14 EDT Subject: Re: S-500 samples and K2000S To: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 17:13:27 -0400 From: Keith O McConnell Cc: Roland Sampler SIG In-Reply-To: <9309011907.AA18601@mumrik.nada.kth.se>; from "d88-jwa@nada.kth.se" at Sep 1, 93 9:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9309011713.aa20892@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Status: R > > How difficult is it to convert S-550 disks to S-770 format. > > Also, does this mean that S-770 disks use the DOS format? > > Not very, and No. > > Conversion means getting access to a S.750/770 (same thing, almost) > and loading the 550 disks into memory, and then save them to 750 disks. > Since the 750 comes with at least 2 MB memory (and most have 18 MB) > loading a disk and then saving it should not be too cumbersome. OK, problem is that I don't have access to an S-770. So, does it make sense to get the Roland Sample Library disks for the S-770 rather than trying to convert my existing S-550 library? Since I ultimately want to use these on the K2000S should I just forget about doing any of this altogether. Keith P.S. No one disagreed with my statement that the K2000S cannot read S-550 disks, so I assume that this is true. This is such a shame. -- /=======================================================================\ | Keith McConnell | | Compilers and Tools Group ________ | | Oceanport, NJ / _____/__ | | /__/____/ / | | e-mail: kom@tinton.ccur.com Concurrent /_______/ | | Voice: (908) 870-4983 Computer Corporation | \=======================================================================/ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 30 16:56:22 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 16:56:14 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 30 Aug 93 16:56:10 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 16:51:55 -0400 Received: from tinton.ccur.com (via tinton.tinton.ccur.com) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA19238; Mon, 30 Aug 93 16:51:31 -0400 Received: from cantor by tinton.tinton.ccur.com SMTP/TCP Channel id aa13564; 30 Aug 93 16:51 EDT Subject: Re: Continued Support To: wbf@aloft.att.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 16:50:02 -0400 From: Keith O McConnell Cc: Roland Sampler SIG In-Reply-To: <9308241330.AA06060@rosalind>; from "wbf@aloft.att.com" at Aug 24, 93 9:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9308301650.aa18755@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Status: RO > David Wilson said, in part: > > At worst they will tell us all to go out and buy their latest S-770 if > > we want updates. ;-) > > I called tech support once and that's EXACTLY what I was told. But can > you blame them too much? After all, they stay in business by selling us > the new gear. It's just that, like most of you, I have limited funds > and am satisfied with the sound quality. Since I have two of the > beasties, I can even resample. So until I have a spare $3-8k and a real > need for 16 bit stereo samples, I'll do nicely with my S550s... > Especially if we can keep Roland interested in continuing support. > After all, they need economic reasons to do anything and I'd be willing > to pay for protecting my investments. Now if I added SCSI ports to both > machines, would they be able to share resources? CDROM and a removable > hard disk come to mind. > > Bill Fox This all sounds like computer vendors of the past (i.e. sell propriatary systems so that the customer has to pay through the nose to get the latest technology). Since samplers are really special-purpose computers and since more general-purpose systems can now handle many of the same tasks, I think it would be wise for Roland to take a more "open systems" view of some of their products. If they don't, someone else may! Keith -- /=======================================================================\ | Keith McConnell | | Compilers and Tools Group ________ | | Oceanport, NJ / _____/__ | | /__/____/ / | | e-mail: kom@tinton.ccur.com Concurrent /_______/ | | Voice: (908) 870-4983 Computer Corporation | \=======================================================================/ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 30 19:26:32 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 19:26:29 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 19:23:14 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA17995 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Mon, 30 Aug 1993 19:22:50 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 93 19:25 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 93 19:18 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 93 19:24 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: S550 hacker mode To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 19:24:41 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO I got my S550 technical service manual, here's the initial scoop so far: CPU: DEC Alpha RISC (just kidding) Intel 8095 (I looked inside too) Judging from my preliminary circuit diagram peeking, I think it is using the built-in A/D in the 8095. It also uses 2 gate-arrays at line in input and mic-level input. Some serious potential hardware hacking here, folks. It shows the SCSI adapter I/O pins, controls Western Digital floppy controller IC, pins, etc. Hacker Mode (at last): - Press and hold 1 and turn on S-550 (or 2 if you are using a mouse, etc.) - Insert Utility disk (ver. 1.01 or higher), let it load - Once loaded, Press these buttons in this sequential order: FUNC -> MENU -> [down arrow] -> EXECUTE -> MENU -> 0 -> DEC/NO - Video monitor now shows "Hacker Mode" - Press UTILITY, then press MENU to load the new utility menu from disk. - Click on or cursor over to "THE TEST" and hit enter. - Now you have all the groovy test mode stuff, I won't go into what everything is yet, because I haven't even read about most of it yet. It won't damage anything as far as my preliminary scanning thru the pages shows. Most of it is self-tests as far as I can tell. Bummer: I don't think I see any advanced tone/sample information features like the guy who posted the W-30 hacker mode setup said was in the W-30. Oh well, what the hell. S-330 owners: Try the above boot-up key sequence on the S-330, I bet it probably is the same, or else order the S-330 service manual (my S-550 tech manual was only $14) -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. EE student 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 30 20:21:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:20:52 -0400 Received: from world.std.com ([192.74.137.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <186>; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:17:05 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA21685; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:16:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:13:09 -0400 From: michael gary moncur Subject: Re: S550 hacker mode To: SGroup Post In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Mon, 30 Aug 1993, UNIXMAN wrote: > I got my S550 technical service manual, here's the initial scoop so far: > > CPU: DEC Alpha RISC (just kidding) Threw me off guard for a second there. > Hacker Mode (at last): > - Press and hold 1 and turn on S-550 (or 2 if you are > using a mouse, etc.) > - Insert Utility disk (ver. 1.01 or higher), let it load > - Once loaded, Press these buttons in this sequential order: > > FUNC -> MENU -> [down arrow] -> EXECUTE -> MENU -> 0 -> DEC/NO > S-330 owners: > Try the above boot-up key sequence on the S-330, I > bet it probably is the same, or else order the S-330 > service manual (my S-550 tech manual was only $14) no such luck... different control panel. The S-330 has no "FUNC", "0", or "1" keys. I suppose someone will have to buy the manual... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 2 01:30:06 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 01:29:52 -0400 Received: from lancelot.st.nepean.uws.edu.au ([137.154.148.30]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 01:25:09 -0400 Received: from guinevere.st.nepean.uws.edu.au (guinevere) by lancelot.st.nepean.uws.edu.au with SMTP id AA29724 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:25:56 +1000 Received: by guinevere.st.nepean.uws.edu.au id AA23200 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:24:24 +1000 From: Fluro Message-Id: <199309020524.AA23200@guinevere.st.nepean.uws.edu.au> Subject: S550 Hackers Mode (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 01:24:23 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 871 Status: R Forwarded message: > From sgroup-owner@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Aug 31 16:54:29 1993 > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 04:45:14 -0400 > From: grillo%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) > Message-Id: <9308310745.AA21751@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > Subject: S550 Hackers Mode > > > Hi there, > > How can I get the service Manual ? > I'm very intersted on SCSI information, just to understand if > ,buying the SCSI Interface, I can connect whatever disk I want. > > Reading the SCSI Interface manual ( A friend courtesy ) it seems that > only Macintosh 20/40/80 Megs diks are allowed to work. Any Hint ? > > > Savino > Im also interested on getting it myself for a W30 keyboard... Can they be obtained from roland easily.... We have roland here in Australia, but im not so sure they could get it for me??? Regards Matthew Parker From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 2 09:36:50 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:36:44 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 2 Sep 93 09:36:39 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:33:24 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA06860 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:33:09 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 93 09:35 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 93 09:28 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 93 09:35 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: ordering manuals To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 09:35:05 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R HOW TO GET STUFF FROM ROLAND USA, CALIFORNIA Ordering service manuals, user manuals, parts, etc. from Roland can be done simply by calling Roland US in Los Angeles California at phone number (213) 685 - 5141 and listen to the automated menu touch-tone selection for which department you want. Press the button for the parts/service dept. and tell the operator for that department that you want to order whatever it is you want. You can pay right over the phone by VISA credit card or you can send a check or money order too I believe. I paid for my Roland S-550 service manual by VISA over the phone and I got it in the mail cross-country to NYC in about 3 - 4 days !!! I don't know how you folks in Western Europe and Australia can get parts from your local Roland division. You could always call Roland USA and ask them. Sure it's a long-distance call, but what other choice do you have ? Also you can get BOSS parts/manuals from the Roland headquarters too. Don't forget that Roland will soon have a CompuServe account, probably in the MIDI forum, where all the other MIDI companies have their on-line accounts. There are a lot of MIDI companies on there, particularly MIDI software manufacturers for updates and new drivers, tech support, etc. Don't ask me how to get on CompuServe though, I really don't know that much about it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 2 13:42:32 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 13:42:22 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 13:38:17 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA17132 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 2 Sep 1993 13:38:02 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 93 13:40 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 93 13:33 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 2 Sep 93 13:40 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: KORG Wavestation To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 13:40:01 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Does anybody else in the sgroup have a Korg Wavestation synth any model (EX keyboard, A/D rack, SR rack) ?? If so, what type of Midi patch editing software do you use and for what brand of computer is it for ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 2 15:16:40 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:16:31 -0400 Received: from RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM ([128.81.41.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:12:57 -0400 Received: from MOOG.SESC.SYMBOLICS.COM ([128.81.253.5]) by RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM via INTERNET with SMTP id 1051808; 2 Sep 1993 14:32:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 14:30:00 -0400 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: From: Eric S.Crawley ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted Subject: KORG Wavestation From: To: UNIXMAN cc: Roland Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19930902183049.9.ESC@MOOG.SESC.Symbolics.COM> Status: R Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 13:40 EDT From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Does anybody else in the sgroup have a Korg Wavestation synth any model (EX keyboard, A/D rack, SR rack) ?? If so, what type of Midi patch editing software do you use and for what brand of computer is it for ?? I have a Wavestation A/D rack. I currently use Opcode Galaxy Plus Editors on the Macintosh. It is pretty snazzy and it integrates very nicely with Opcode Studio Vision sequencing software. Previously, I have used Dr. T's XOR on the Atari (Unisyn from Mark of the Unicorn is the same product ported to the Mac). XOR is also available on the PC. XOR has more editors than Galaxy Plus Editors but they aren't as nice. It depends on what you are looking for in an editor. I have my copy of XOR for sale along with an Atari Mega 2ST, if anyone is interested. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 2 17:47:03 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 17:46:55 -0400 Received: from shiva.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.20.34]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 17:43:33 -0400 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by shiva.trl.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA27613 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 07:43:24 +1000 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.1) id AA03959; Thu, 2 Sep 93 21:40:57 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA24126; Thu, 2 Sep 93 21:43:15 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA19721; Thu, 2 Sep 93 21:43:14 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20833; Fri, 3 Sep 93 07:44:14 AES Message-Id: <9309022144.AA20833@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: Re: ordering manuals To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 03:44:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: ; from "UNIXMAN" at Sep 2, 93 9:35 am From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) Return-Path: nic@nms.otc.com.au X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j} I don't know how you folks in Western Europe and Australia can get parts => from your local Roland division. You could always call Roland USA and ask I have successfully obtained technical manuals just by going to my local dealer and having them do the hard work for me. They tend to have more contacts in Roland Australia and get better service than Johnny Come Lateley. :-) Nic. ============================================================================== Nic Grant /\ Level 7, 363 Oxford Street Logica Pty. Limited / \ /\ Paddington, 2021, AUSTRALIA ________________________/ \ / \ /\____________________________________ Voice: +61 2 339 3744 \ / \/ Email: nic@nms.otc.com.au Fax: +61 2 339 3917 \/ ============================================================================== From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 2 19:51:13 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 19:51:09 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 19:47:42 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA03144 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Thu, 2 Sep 1993 19:45:16 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA18911; Thu, 2 Sep 93 19:45:15 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA29368; Thu, 2 Sep 93 19:45:14 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9309022345.AA29368@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: .SMP --> .WAV: At last. To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 19:45:13 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2061 Status: RO Hi sgroup! Well ok! After keeping in touch with several (in fact, two) members of the sgroup, I made tests on the hability for SOX to transfer .SMP (SampleVision) files into .WAV (Windows 3.1 speaker) files. The opponents were David Wilson and Nic Grant each suggesting a different approach to the problem. David represents the "straightforward approach" with SOX when he suggested a regular SOX syntax such as: -V -b -s -tsmp -r15000 OLD_S50_SAMPLE.SMP -r15000 NEW_SAMPLE.WAV Sorry Dave! Tried it again and again. Actually I pretty figured out myself such syntax before that. Nic told me that he had himself tried it with all alteration to such commands possible and also declared forfeit. Seems that the .WAV driver is simply bull. ON THE OTHER HAND ... Nic introduced me to a very good solution: it seems that the .VOC files are genuine sound files and with a little magical (Windows!!!) program called Goldwave you can actually transform .VOC into .WAV. Actually, it is a great sound editor for someone who wants to go into multimedia. It edits 16 bits Soundblaster files, too. A great sound editor with ... with ... enough features for minimal and extended use. I might sound a little childish about this but hey! I answered my solution. For those who want Goldwave, here's Nic answering this: > I retrieved it from our Australian ftp site, plaza (it can be found > using archie) from /micros/pc/oak/sound, file gldwav10.zip. It is public > domain, I believe, but am not sure. That fact that it is publicly available > via ftp should give you license to announce its existence. :-) Also, for those who don't have the Windows speaker driver, it's available on ftp.cica.indioana.edu /pub/pc/win3/speak.exe: self-extractng program. Ciao everyone! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? ________________________________________________________________________________ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 3 16:26:22 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 16:26:15 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 3 Sep 93 16:26:10 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.129]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 16:19:23 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA19155; Fri, 3 Sep 93 16:15:14 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA10033; Fri, 3 Sep 93 16:15:10 EDT Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 16:15:10 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309032015.AA10033@rosalind> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Continued S550 Support Status: R =============================== > From: filmuse@netcom.com (Jim Norman) > Subject: Joining Sgroup > To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca > Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 15:21:09 -0400 > > Hi there, I've been trying to find you guys for some time. > I lost the address information about Sgroup. Please add me > to your subscription list. I work for RolaRoland as their > Sampler Product Specialist. If I can be of any help let me > know.I'm very interested in your group, and I'll pass along > to other Roland sampler owners about your existance. I get > lots of calls from S550, S50, W30, and other Sampler owners. > If you want to talk with me by phone you can call me directly > at Roland (213) 685-5141 ext 770. > Jim Norman ================================== Hi Jim, I would like to make a suggestion that might even make some money for Roland. The S550's opsys is currently at rev 1.13 and, so far, the updates have been free as they're mainly bug fixes. I propose that an upgrade to rev 2.0 be considered because not being a bug fix, but a major upgrade, Roland would charge a fee for it. A simple mailing to those S550 owners who sent in their warrantee cards would bring in enough funds to pay for the effort even if only 10% responded! This major release should add the ability to read and write disks of ALL Roland samplers, including the S700 series. With the K2000 able to read the disks of its competitors, Roland should include this ability in rev 2.0 for Ensoniq (ASR/EPS 16+/EPS/Mirage), Akai, Kurzweil, and Yamaha. I know I'd pay money to be able to so easily expand my sample library! Please let me know what you think of this idea and what you think the chances are of Roland actually doing it. Sgroupies... let's discuss what other features you'd like to see in rev 2.0. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Sep 4 23:16:00 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 23:15:55 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sat, 4 Sep 93 23:15:53 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <175>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 23:12:28 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA09691 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 23:08:52 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA25704; Sat, 4 Sep 93 23:08:51 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA27872; Sat, 4 Sep 93 23:08:50 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9309050308.AA27872@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: .SMP --> .WAV: At last. (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 23:08:49 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 693 Status: R [Quoting Tom Metro] > So is Goldwave really a Windows program? I wonder why it isn't > available at cica. Yes! A genuine Windows program! > > Also, for those who don't have the Windows speaker driver, it's > > available on ftp.cica.indioana.edu /pub/pc/win3/speak.exe: > > self-extractng program. > I think that's /pub/pc/win3/sound/speak.exe ^^^^^ Oups! OK. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________________ Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? ________________________________________________________________________________ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Sep 4 08:21:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88183-3>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 08:20:51 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.2.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <175>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 08:15:24 -0400 Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <22660-0@pat.uio.no>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 14:15:00 +0200 Received: by bilbo ; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 14:14:58 +0200 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 08:14:58 -0400 From: thomas.flemming@usit.uio.no Message-Id: <9309041214.AA22468@bilbo> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Continued S550 Support Status: RO If you can make an utility for the S-550, then it should be easy to port it to W-30 as well. Offcourse there a lots of things you could want in an upgrade: -Time stretching. (S-950 have had it for years.) -Resampling. Just as simple as converting 30khz sounds to 15khz or less, if you are short of memory. -Defragmentation of sample memory, to get rid of the milliseconds you can't use between the end of sample to the nearesst 0.4 sec. block. -Read/write S900, K2000, Ensoniq, Windows WAV samples. Once you've written one utility, you can easily write more. The Windows WAV should actually be one of the easiest to write. The FAT-fs and WAV standard is very well documentet. Just snatch some lines of code from the sox utility. The 8bit library is unquestionable the largest there is. -Read/write GeneralMidi files and MIDI files from FAT/MS-DOS disks. The W-30 allready has MC-500 support (I`ve never used it). If some of these wishes came to life, then the secondhand price for these 12bit samplers proabably would increase. Thomas Flemming From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 6 12:36:21 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88185-3>; Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:36:18 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <141>; Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:31:02 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA18946 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:27:25 -0400 Received: from brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA05970; Mon, 6 Sep 93 12:27:24 -0400 Received: by brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA26781; Mon, 6 Sep 93 12:27:21 -0400 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Message-Id: <9309061627.AA26781@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: .SMP --> .WAV: At last. (fwd) To: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:27:21 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9309050308.AA27872@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> from "St-Jacques Marc" at Sep 4, 93 11:08:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 655 Status: R Beyond the ultraworld of St-Jacques Marc: > [Quoting Tom Metro] > > So is Goldwave really a Windows program? > > Yes! A genuine Windows program! You should also check out cool editor (cooled.zip on archive.epas.utoronto.ca) which can generate waveforms and edit them in 8 bit and 16 bit. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 08:45:18 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:45:16 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 08:45:08 -0400 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <220>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:41:29 -0400 Received: from banana (banana.msfc.nasa.gov) by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02208; Tue, 7 Sep 93 07:40:34 CDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:40:34 -0400 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9309071240.AA02208@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Continued S550 Support Status: R An addition to Bill's proposal: Why not make the S750/770 disk format be the default for all of the S-series samplers (at least the ones that are capable of it)? That sure would make exchanging samples a lot easier, and I could finally contribute to the sgroup library... Dave From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 10:30:37 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:30:33 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.129]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <221>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:26:22 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA14031; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:25:13 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA10612; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:25:10 EDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:25:10 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309071425.AA10612@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Continued S550 Support Status: R While doing his thesis, Marc St-Jacques said: > [Quoting Bill Fox] > > A simple mailing > > to those S550 owners who sent in their warrantee cards would bring in enough > > funds to pay for the effort even if only 10% responded! > > Are you kidding? Do you how much s-users bought their sampler used > with expired warranties? Doing a product announcement mailing based on a database created from warrantee cards is a basic marketing tool. Even accounting for the second hand market, 10% response can still be expected, even on a product as "old" as the S550. ( I don't expect two cards in the mail because my second S550 WAS purchased second hand. :-} ) Dhomas Trenn said: > Its a waste of time to discuss things we would like to see in REV2.0 OS for > the S550, the hardware is discontinued, and ROLAND has NO INTENTION of > putting anymore time into it. IT will never happen by ROLAND. The only > hope is if they will release information and HACKERS and 3rd Party people > can get to work on it too. Don't expect to see that either though. Maybe I'm naive, but if I keep my mouth shut, Roland, or third party developers, will never hear my needs/desires. Then absolutely nothing will be done to make rev 2.0, guaranteed. But if I open my fat yap, I increase the probability of rev 2.0 from 0 to at least 0.00001. Granted that is still a small probability and I may never see rev 2.0, but at least I've done something. And with Jim Norman of Roland on this list, I'd like to believe that I can cause the probability of rev 2.0 to increase by more than 0.00001. If sgroup discusses the topic rationally, maybe we can cause rev 2.0 to become reality. Won't know if we don't try. So far, I've asked for a brainstorming session and am pleased with the initial results. It is also to the benefit of the sgroup membership if it allows the S770 and S550 samples to cross breed. Dave Cornutt's idea: > An addition to Bill's proposal: Why not make the S750/770 disk format > be the default for all of the S-series samplers (at least the ones > that are capable of it)? That sure would make exchanging samples > a lot easier, and I could finally contribute to the sgroup library... The cool thing of brainstorming ideas is that one idea can trigger others. And feasibility isn't a constraint until after the brainstorming session is closed. Dave's idea makes me think that the floppy drive in the S550 could be changed to a 1.2 Meg jobbie. Sort of a hardware/software combination upgrade. Extra bux for Roland to install it/User saves bux if self installed. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 10:53:52 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88186-2>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:53:47 -0400 Received: from dront.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.70]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <222>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:50:21 -0400 Received: by dront.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA05301; Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:50:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:50:11 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9309071450.AA05301@dront.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aloft.att.com Subject: Re: Continued S550 Support Status: R While we're brainstorming, I'd like to see a MIPS R4200 in my S-750. ! That hurt! What'd you do THAT for? :-) About the archives: How about mono, 16bit, 44.1 kHz samples in raw format, no headers? Those are easy to import into, say, Sound Designer which can then convert or download or play as you wish. Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 10:59:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:59:48 -0400 Received: from lamb.sas.com ([192.35.83.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <223>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:53:35 -0400 Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/10-28-91) id AA00114; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:53:16 -0400 Received: from nghtshad.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA14986; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:52:42 -0400 Received: by nghtshad.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA13926; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:52:37 -0400 From: Anthony Friebel Message-Id: <199309071452.AA13926@nghtshad.unx.sas.com> Subject: Continued S550 Support (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers Mailing List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:52:37 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1183 Status: R > > Dave Cornutt's idea: > > An addition to Bill's proposal: Why not make the S750/770 disk format > > be the default for all of the S-series samplers (at least the ones > > that are capable of it)? That sure would make exchanging samples > > a lot easier, and I could finally contribute to the sgroup library... > > The cool thing of brainstorming ideas is that one idea can trigger > others. And feasibility isn't a constraint until after the > brainstorming session is closed. Dave's idea makes me think that the > floppy drive in the S550 could be changed to a 1.2 Meg jobbie. Sort of a > hardware/software combination upgrade. Extra bux for Roland to install > it/User saves bux if self installed. > > Bill Fox > is Roland in the room ? speaking of changing floppy drives ... how about retro-fitting a 3.5" disk to the S10 ? never hurts to ask, right? ;) -- ________________________________________________________________ Anthony L. Friebel |9> 6804 Electra Drive Internet: sasalf@unx.sas.com | Raleigh, NC 27607 Phone: (919) 859.5371 (evenings) | __________________________________________________________|_o___ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 11:47:58 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:47:47 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <224>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:44:20 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 09:45 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 09:39 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 09:44 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: VOC to WAVE To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:44:39 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Regarding the recent postings of using GoldWave for Windows, I have that program too, it is nice !!. Bravo to the guy who designed it, in C++ too, I think ... It is probably the nicest (free) sample editor for Windows available. Although, it doesn't have waveform drawing for removing clicks and pops which is a must-have for me. A note to those S-series owners, No GoldWave does NOT work with the Roland samples or samdisks. It is for IBM PC-type samples SoundBlaster, Amiga, etc. 8 and 16 bit sample files. I am still surprised to find that people have been having problems with SOX to convert .SMP to .WAV files. Oh well, anyway, I should point out that there are quicker, short little programs from Creative Labs such as WAV2VOC.EXE and VOC2WAV.EXE, etc. available for the 8 bit SoundBlaster. These programs are freeware and I think I have them laying around somewhere. If I find 'em, I'll send them to J.M. Sellens at our ftp site. I have still not heard from Jim Norman at Roland after mailing them my letter of complaints and suggestions, and the disk with the shareware sgroup Roland utilities. I guess I will probably try to call him this week and make sure he got it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 11:54:10 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:53:59 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <225>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:50:31 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:53 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:47 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:52 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: things To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:52:22 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I have some things to point out about changing the disk-drive to a 1.2 Meg jobby in the S-550 or S-50, etc. The biggest problem with that is that I don't think the S-550 or S-50, etc. uses any type of FAT file system, or any "file system" at all for that matter. I think the S-550 1.13 O/S does raw reads and writes to the floppy at specific offsets from the start address of the disk according to what it is you are writing to disk. I.E. patch data, sample data, MIDI data. If you look at the S-550 source code (the disk include file) on the lotus ftp site, you will see how the disk is laid out in a sequential, linear fashion. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you can just pop a 1.2 Meg disk drive in there and have the existing operating system be able to read/write to it. You would need to change the O/S code as well. This is pretty self-evident anyway, so I won't drone on about that. Regarding people wanting to convert/load S-770 16 bit samples into S-550 12-bit format as a new O/S version feature, a few things to point out: The first being the high-density floppies of the S-770, big problem here. The second being that where do you do the conversion process ?? For example, does the S-550 load the 16 bit sample into one of the 4 banks of sample RAM (4 banks of DRAM chips) and then do the rate conversion in RAM ?? OR, does the S-550 read a byte (actually a word for 16 bit sample) and do the rate conversion on the fly a word at a time and write it out to disk again like SOX does on the PC. This brings up the issue that the S-550 does not have a lot of available spare RAM to do this kind of stuff. The operating system resides in banks of VRAM on the S-550 and the samples are in banks of DRAM. There ain't too much to spare in the way of loading 16-bit stereo samples into DRAM on the S-550 as a temp storage place during conversion. Hey don't get me wrong, my goal IS to hack the S-550 as much as possible. That's why I'm trying to get access to the O/S source code and I got my circuit schematics, pinouts, etc. for the S-550. I just think that the S-550 IS a specific, closed system, and does what it was designed to do way back when. After having looked at the circuit diagrams and thinking about the chip architecture and RAM layout in the machine, I am not sure you could ever do S-770 disks to S-550 disks conversion/loading in the S-550 without MAJOR hardware/software changes. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 12:08:52 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:08:47 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <226>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:05:22 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 12:07 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 12:02 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 12:07 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: S770 samples To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:07:03 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Just a note to David Cornutt who wants to contribute to the sgroup sample library ftp site on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: Do it !! Just because we don't all have S-770's doesn't mean the 16-bit sample disks can't be hacked up by us 12-bit sampler hackers :-) I am assuming the S-770 disk format is probably quite different than the S-550 ,etc. disk format but It would be neat to figure it out. The sample data is probably 16 bit signed words just like the S-550 is 12 bit signed data (not padded with zeroes to make even 16 bit storage words on disk). If I had the S-770 disk format like I have the S-550 disk format addresses, then it would be a trivial matter to grab the 16 bit sample data off the S-770 floppies and convert them to 12-bit or 8-bit samples for other machines !!!! Anyway, I would say go ahead and post them disks !! I'm sure there is at least a few other 16 bit Roland sampler owners in the sgroup who would want your sample disks. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 13:13:58 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:13:52 -0400 Received: from dront.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.70]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <227>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:09:38 -0400 Received: by dront.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA11359; Tue, 7 Sep 93 19:09:34 +0200 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:09:34 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9309071709.AA11359@dront.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S770 samples Status: R > Anyway, I would say go ahead and post them disks !! I'm sure there is > at least a few other 16 bit Roland sampler owners in the sgroup who > would want your sample disks. I want the S-770 format! That would allow me to, one dark night, write an external file system that showed S-770 cartridges (and floppies?) as mac disks! > I have some things to point out about changing the disk-drive to a > 1.2 Meg jobby in the S-550 or S-50, etc. The biggest problem with that is > that I don't think the S-550 or S-50, etc. uses any type of FAT file > system, or any "file system" at all for that matter. I think the S-550 1.13 How about ther S-550 with SCSI option? It must SURELY have a file system - and that could be adopted to the floppies (if there was enough RAM for the code) The S-50 owners would probably love 3.5" disks not for the added capacity, but for the availability and low price of the media! > The first being the high-density floppies of the S-770, big problem here. Not if you added a HD floppy drive, right? :-) > The second being that where do you do the conversion process ?? For example, > does the S-550 load the 16 bit sample into one of the 4 banks of sample RAM > (4 banks of DRAM chips) and then do the rate conversion in RAM ?? OR, does Rate conversion? Who needs rate conversion? :-) You could also read single buffers, do sample dropping while copying over to sample DRAM. I'm sure there is a disk buffer somewhere, right? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 13:55:02 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:54:55 -0400 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <228>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:51:36 -0400 Received: from banana (banana.msfc.nasa.gov) by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA18061; Tue, 7 Sep 93 12:50:45 CDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:50:45 -0400 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9309071750.AA18061@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: things Status: R David J. Wilson points out: >The second being that where do you do the conversion process ?? For example, >does the S-550 load the 16 bit sample into one of the 4 banks of sample RAM >(4 banks of DRAM chips) and then do the rate conversion in RAM ?? OR, does >the S-550 read a byte (actually a word for 16 bit sample) and do the rate >conversion on the fly a word at a time and write it out to disk again like >SOX does on the PC. This brings up the issue that the S-550 does not have >a lot of available spare RAM to do this kind of stuff. The operating system >resides in banks of VRAM on the S-550 and the samples are in banks of DRAM. >There ain't too much to spare in the way of loading 16-bit stereo samples into >DRAM on the S-550 as a temp storage place during conversion. Actually, I think the idea was to do the conversion by having the 750/770 WRITE a 550-compatible disk. The 7xx already knows about the S550 disk format, since it can read a 550 disk, so I wouldn't think that writing one would be that big a leap. Plus, the 7xx can deal with samples at the 550 rates, and rate-convert to/from these rates. But I still like the idea of just selling a mod to the 330 and 550 to have them understand the 7xx disk layout. Dave From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 16:04:22 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:04:20 -0400 Received: from lamb.sas.com ([192.35.83.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <141>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:57:32 -0400 Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/10-28-91) id AA25797; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:57:02 -0400 Received: from nghtshad.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA20380; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:56:22 -0400 Received: by nghtshad.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA14134; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:56:18 -0400 From: Anthony Friebel Message-Id: <199309071956.AA14134@nghtshad.unx.sas.com> Subject: S10 Utilities available To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers Mailing List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:56:18 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 705 Status: R My S10 MIDIEX Utilities are now available to this group (thanks john) They allow MPU-401 (or compat) equipped PC's to send/receive sample data to/from the Roland S10. see list of clever ;) program files in archives as below > The files are in lotus.uwaterloo.ca ~ftp/pub/sgroup/utilities > and the files are called > s10.README s10recv.exe.uu.Z s10send.exe.uu.Z enjoy ! -- ________________________________________________________________ Anthony L. Friebel |9> 6804 Electra Drive Internet: sasalf@unx.sas.com | Raleigh, NC 27607 Phone: (919) 859.5371 (evenings) | __________________________________________________________|_o___ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 7 16:09:52 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:09:51 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <220>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:04:28 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:06 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:01 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:06 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: Gravis Ultrasound To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:06:03 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Does anyone in the sgroup have a Gravis Ultrasound card for their PC ?? If so, what are the patch (.pat) files format. I want to extract the raw 8 or 16 bit samples (.snd) files from the patch files and write them out as raw .snd files in DOS. Is there a DOS utility program that takes an GUS .pat patch file and breaks out the individual samples ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 8 13:32:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:31:55 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:26:19 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA28877; Wed, 8 Sep 93 13:22:06 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA11227; Wed, 8 Sep 93 13:22:02 EDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:22:02 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309081722.AA11227@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: Continued S550 Support Status: R David Wilson on my disk drive idea: > ... Maybe I'm wrong, but > I don't think you can just pop a 1.2 Meg disk drive in there and have the > existing operating system be able to read/write to it. You would need to > change the O/S code as well... I think you're right. But doesn't my ver 2.0 OS idea cover that? David continues on to the 16->12 bit conversion topic: > ... This brings up the issue that the S-550 does not have > a lot of available spare RAM to do this kind of stuff. The operating system > resides in banks of VRAM on the S-550 and the samples are in banks of DRAM. > There ain't too much to spare in the way of loading 16-bit stereo samples into > DRAM on the S-550 as a temp storage place during conversion. IF the S550 were upgraded with a high density 3.5" floppy drive and IF ver 2.0 OS could make it read S550 and S770 disks, then at least the 16 bit samples could be read. Despite the S550 hardware limitations, it is still a computer and should be able to hold at least a FEW samples from an S770 disk. Who says you have to convert/load a whole disk in one fell swoop? Sure, it's not ideal to convert/load part of a disk, save to S550 disk, then convert/load the rest of the S770 disk, and save to S550 disk again. But at least in this manner, there would be some breathing room, RAM-wise. The point I hope I'm communicating is that hardware may be a limitation but bite sized chuncks of data should be digestable! Divide and conquer! > ... After having looked at the circuit diagrams and thinking about > the chip architecture and RAM layout in the machine, I am not sure you could > ever do S-770 disks to S-550 disks conversion/loading in the S-550 without > MAJOR hardware/software changes. High density floppy drive and ver 2.0 OS would certainly qualify as major hardware and software changes. That's why Roland would charge money for it, and I'd be willing to pay. And I'd add the SCSI port to BOTH my S550s if that would make the S770 CD-ROMs available to me. Especially if both my S550s could share resources. After all, one CD-ROM and one removable disk drive (Syquest?) is all I can afford. I'd like them to work with both machines without repatching SCSI cables. SCSI IDs aren't there for nothing! dhomas said: > Never meant to give the impression that you should "Keep your yap shut"... That's OK, I never took it that way. > ... I just thought it was unrealistic to be discussing when ROLAND > has no intention of doing anything... Being naive, I'm hoping that Roland hasn't made such a decision, so upon hearing the sgroup proposal for ver 2.0, will at least be mildly interested in considering it. > ... Though JIM NORMAN is on this list, he isn't > saying much, is he. Good point. Jim, I do hope you feel welcome to participate. After we're done brainstorming (collecting) ideas, you could be instrumental (no pun intended but gladly used!) in reducing the list to a realistic proposal. > My apologies, again... for giving a NEGATIVE impression. I have been > doing what > I can to help SGROUPers with their attempts to support other sound disk > formats... Such as my solution to the W30 to S550 delimma, which I got a lot > of thanks for. No apologies necessary. We're all eager for sgroupies to participate/contribute according to their abilities within their time constraints. BTW, I must have slept through the W30 to S550 dilemma you mentioned. Can you repeat for me? > I too, would like to see new OS for the S550. But my experience with ROLAND > over the years, gives me no hope in this area. If it happens, great... but > I have learnt not to get my hopes up when it comes to discontinued product. If proposing ver 2.0 to Roland is certain to fall on deaf ears, please speak up now, Jim. But I'd like to think that the sgroup should be able to come up with an interesting proposal that is realistic and profitable for Roland. It must, after all, serve Roland's purposes as well as ours if ver 2.0 isn't to be an exercise in futility on our part. I've been in manufacturing for 14 years. I hope I've learned SOMETHING about upgrades, changes, and specifications in that amount of time! And if Roland isn't interested, maybe a third party would be. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 8 14:56:52 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:56:44 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <220>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:53:03 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:55 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:49 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:54 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: Roland update To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:54:35 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Well, Jim Norman from Roland just called me and said that he has gotten some info back from his RND people in the US. He said that here in the US, the Roland RND people don't have access to any of the source code for the S-550 or S-50, or others. They do have a lot more technical info for the S-770 series, however. Most or all of the S-550 code is in Japan in japanese and isn't available. He said his RND people told him that in hacker mode on the S-550, you can read W-30 disks (load tone, I believe) and it also apparantly can receive MIDI sample dump standard in hacker mode. I do not have the details on how to do this yet, Jim is going to find out these specifics and send them to me or the sgroup. Also, he is sending me an Atari program called SampleTools which apparantly can read S-550 or W-30 disks on the Atari and edit the samples/data on the Atari screen. I don't have any more info than that, I'll have to borrow a co-worker's Atari ST to try it. Jim Norman is apparantly trying very hard to get us information and details that we want concerning our S-series samplers. Unfortunately, there seems to be a tremendous GAP between Roland Japan and Roland USA. No one at Roland USA seems to know what the other half is doing, etc. Remember, most of the guys at Roland USA are not engineers like most of us are. It is not as easy to explain what it is you are looking for to the people at Roland who are mostly musician-type "product specialists". I'm not putting them down in any way, they seem to want to help very much, but there is this lack of coordination and communication between Roland Japan and Roland USA. Stay tuned ... -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 8 15:52:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 15:51:56 -0400 Received: from inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com ([16.1.0.23]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <241>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 15:48:40 -0400 Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA21052; Wed, 8 Sep 93 12:48:32 -0700 Received: by us1rmc.bb.dec.com; id AA25829; Wed, 8 Sep 93 15:47:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9309081947.AA25829@us1rmc.bb.dec.com> Received: from ranger.enet; by us1rmc.enet; Wed, 8 Sep 93 15:47:22 EDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 15:47:22 -0400 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: From: I've been stolen by a gypsy.08-Sep-1993 1547 ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted From: To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Cc: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com Apparently-To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Roland sample library Status: R I have access to my fiancee's S-330. For which she has a few disks. Was not the official story that you could copy the disks from the Roland library for free? I suppose that should mean that they'd sell you disks from the library for essentially media cost. Does anyone know how to get a listing? Eirikur From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 8 17:03:14 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 17:03:07 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <242>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:59:10 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA02668; Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:27:03 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA11321; Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:26:59 EDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:26:59 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309082026.AA11321@rosalind> To: ranger.enet.dec.com!eirikur, lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: Roland sample library Status: R Hi Eirikur, The S50 library has 10 sets of 10 disks. The sets are labelled RSB-501 through RSB-510. The S550 sound library has only 6 sets: RSB-5501 through RSB-5506. The S330 can read all of these, although the S50 disks probably need to be converted by a utility on the S330's utility disk. Some of the disks are on the sgroup's ftp site in samdisk format, if I remember correctly. Samdisk runs on a PC and also in in our archive. The ftp site is lotus.uwaterloo.ca (I'm pretty sure). Roland will sell you the disks (I don't know the cost) but your dealer is supposed to let you copy the disks - you supply the disks and effort. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 8 17:44:35 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 17:44:29 -0400 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com ([192.100.81.113]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <243>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 17:41:14 -0400 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA29698; Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:39:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 17:39:56 -0400 From: ribbit@netcom.com (Tony Mason) Message-Id: <9309082139.AA29698@netcom5.netcom.com> To: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aloft.att.com Subject: Re: Roland sample library Status: R I've only been able to find three or four disks of s-50 sounds on the archive. I can upload the disks I have (I have about 1/2 the s-50 library) but was hoping to find the others. If they're all there, what directory are they in? Tony From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 8 19:26:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 19:25:55 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <244>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 19:22:07 -0400 Received: from Mondavi.OSBU_South.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <12268>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:21:31 -0700 X-NS-Transport-ID: 0000AA001F5D32103042 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 18:16:16 -0400 From: Donald_C._Tycholis.ESCP10@xerox.com Subject: Re: Continued S550 Support In-Reply-to: <9309032015.AA10033@rosalind> To: wbf@aloft.att.com cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-ID: <"8-Sep-93 15:16:11".*.Donald_C._Tycholis.ESCP10@Xerox.com> Status: R Great Idea!! Here is an opportunity for Roland to make money without over-burdening those on a budget: I`m sure that most S-550 users would prefer a "pay-as-you-go" plan. Roland could make the big bucks from those professional users who want every possible new feature, but others could buy less. What if Roland charged a reasonable amount for the upgrade, say $49, and then charged incrementally for add-on upgrades providing the ability to read different disk types: $19 ea. , software to allow addition of PC-compatible SCSI disks might be worth $39, etc. Don From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 8 19:33:53 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-2>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 19:33:43 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Sep 93 19:33:42 -0400 Received: from relay2.geis.com ([192.77.188.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <245>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 19:30:32 -0400 Received: by relay2.geis.com (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA16223; Thu, 9 Sep 93 00:29:57 +0100 From: k.meiere1@genie.geis.com Message-Id: <9309082329.AA16223@relay2.geis.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 19:10:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Library listing info X-Genie-Id: 1469902 X-Genie-From: K.MEIERE1 Status: R > I have access to my fiancee's S-330. For which she has a few disks. > Was not the official story that you could copy the disks from the > Roland library for free? I suppose that should mean that they'd > sell you disks from the library for essentially media cost. > Does anyone know how to get a listing? > Eirikur Eirikur, In June I uploaded two ASCII text files which listed the entire S-50 sample library. These should be available from the ftp site; lotus.uwaterloo.ca One text file is alphabetical by tone names and the other text file is in numerical order as released by Roland and describes all the patches. As Bill Fox mentioned there are about 106 diskettes which should be able to work on your S-330 after a conversion process. ]; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 19:56:20 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Sep 93 19:56:14 -0400 Received: from relay2.geis.com ([192.77.188.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <246>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 19:52:57 -0400 Received: by relay2.geis.com (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA17484; Thu, 9 Sep 93 00:52:31 +0100 From: k.meiere1@genie.geis.com Message-Id: <9309082352.AA17484@relay2.geis.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 19:40:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-50/550/770 Operating Sys. X-Genie-Id: 7781136 X-Genie-From: K.MEIERE1 Status: R |David continues on to the 16->12 bit conversion topic: |> ... This brings up the issue that the S-550 does not have |> a lot of available spare RAM to do this kind of stuff. The operating system |> resides in banks of VRAM on the S-550 and the samples are in banks of DRAM. |> There ain't too much to spare in the way of loading 16-bit stereo samples into |> DRAM on the S-550 as a temp storage place during conversion. I agree. The S-Series samplers were designed with "limited memory space" in mind (back when memory was expensive as gold, per troy ounce). But, when I bought my S-50 I was promised an "open-end" OS architechture. I'm by no means any type of authority on the OS of the S-Series, but one thing on the MIDI Implementation Charts (at least on my S-50) which I have noticed is extra chunks of memory set aside for "dummy" offset addressing. It appears that these "dummy" areas were going to be used for adding extra features to the OS such as multiple loop points, sample processing, etc.... Do these "dummy" areas for offset addressing appear on the S-550/770 MIDI Implementation Charts in the back pages of the manual? This has always been worth looking into, in my opinion. It would sure be nice to be able to get the OS converted from Japanese to English! I've played around with the OS to do simple things like loading a disk and having the LCD window say; "Property Of Keith Meiere". That's about as far as I can get without actually having the source code available to me. ]; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 23:15:42 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 8 Sep 93 23:15:28 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 23:12:23 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA26722 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 23:08:36 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA07650; Wed, 8 Sep 93 23:08:35 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA02647; Wed, 8 Sep 93 23:08:33 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9309090308.AA02647@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Roland sample library (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 23:08:32 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 759 Status: R > Was not the official story that you could copy the disks from the Roland > library for free? I suppose that should mean that they'd sell you disks from > the library for essentially media cost. > > Does anyone know how to get a listing? > > Eirikur > I did promise that I would make my own list when I asked around and when John Sellens said it was ok to publicly offer such support among users. I've been VERY busy these days. I'll MY list soon. Patience ... ________________________________________________________________________________ Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? ________________________________________________________________________________ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 03:06:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 03:05:49 -0400 Received: from dront.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.70]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 03:01:18 -0400 Received: by dront.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA20074; Thu, 9 Sep 93 09:01:10 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 03:01:10 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9309090701.AA20074@dront.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aloft.att.com Subject: Re: Continued S550 Support Status: R > Good point. Jim, I do hope you feel welcome to participate. It's my experience that with people working in companies affected by wish-lists, they can't and shouldn't answer, since that would be talking about vapourware which is majorly bad for business (except for Ensoniq, from whom we do expect nothing but vapourware :-) Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 03:11:42 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 03:11:37 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <220>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 03:07:42 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA06910; Thu, 9 Sep 93 00:07:24 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06907; Thu, 9 Sep 93 00:07:18 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA11763; Thu, 9 Sep 93 09:06:17 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:06:17 -0400 From: grillo%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) Message-Id: <9309090806.AA11763@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Roland Update Cc: grillo@xsft1.ATC.Olivetti.Com Status: R Quoting David J. Wilson: >Well, Jim Norman from Roland just called me and said ......... [Stuff deleted] >Also, he is sending me an Atari program called SampleTools which apparantly ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >can read S-550 or W-30 disks on the Atari and edit the samples/data >on the Atari screen. I don't have any more info than that, I'll have >to borrow a co-worker's Atari ST to try it. > I'll love to try out that program, I'am now using AVALON (borrowed), but will be great to edit a sample in a S550 Style on the computer screen. Is that program free ? Savino From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 06:17:32 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 06:17:25 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <241>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 06:13:07 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 8 Sep 93 23:12 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Wed, 8 Sep 93 23:07 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 8 Sep 93 23:11 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: S-550 reads W-30 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 23:11:58 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R OK, listen up S-550 owners. The S-550 hacker mode will allow you to load samples (load tone from the disk menu) from W-30 floppies. On the S-550 in hacker mode, when you put a W-30 floppy in the S-550 disk drive and select "load tone" from the disk menu the screen comes up with "W-30 Sound and Data disk" or something like that and reads the samples (tones) from the W-30 disk just like it was an S-550 disk. You can also do "dir tone" on a W-30 floppy on the S-550 as well. Another interesting hacker mode feature is that the top of the screen displays real-time hex bytes for Midi note-on and note-off data when you press a key on a Midi keyboard hooked up to the S-550. I just loaded many samples from some of the W-30 disks (samdisks) from lotus ftp site into my S-550 in hacker mode, then I can save them onto an S-550 floppy. How handy !!! Maybe you can load samples/tones from S-330 disks directly into an S-550 disk drive in hacker mode too. I don't have any S-330-formatted floppies to try, can anyone do this ??? Sorry to S-50 and S-330 owners who want to know how to get into this groovy hacker mode on their machines, I don't know how to do it. My suggestion to S-330, S-50, and especially S-770 owners is to call Roland and order the tech-service manuals for those machines. It should say how to do it. Do it !!! Also, in hacker mode I tried booting Linux and X Windows on my S-550, .... just kidding .... :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 10:44:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88191-3>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:43:54 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:40:31 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA11677; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:37:43 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA11588; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:37:40 EDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:37:40 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309091437.AA11588@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: Continued S550 Support Status: R / h+ points out: > > Good point. Jim, I do hope you feel welcome to participate. > > It's my experience that with people working in companies affected > by wish-lists, they can't and shouldn't answer, since that > would be talking about vapourware which is majorly bad for business > (except for Ensoniq, from whom we do expect nothing but vapourware :-) Hmmm. I didn't think of that. Possibly because, in my mind, I separated any involvement Jim might have in the development of the version 2.0 proposal from his position at Roland. I was operating on the assumption that this is an sgroup proposal, not Roland vapourware (or vaporware in the U.S.). However, AFTER the proposal is complete and ready for the eyes of Roland, I would hope to use Jim's position to ensure that the proposal is seen by the right insiders. Is that too crass of me, Jim? Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 11:09:58 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88195-3>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:09:51 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:09:38 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:06:32 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA11847; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:49:45 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA11601; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:49:43 EDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:49:43 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309091449.AA11601@rosalind> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Brainstormed Idea for General Consideration Status: R While we're brainstorming ideas, here's one that Roland might find interesting enough to include it in some future product, even if the S550 (et al) never sees the feature. Keith Meiere's second loop suggestion triggered a thought about how a harpsichord clicks when its keys are released. ==> Light bulb illuminates. My old Oberheim Matrix-12 sends velocity with its note off messages, as opposed to a fixed value as most machines do. How about triggering a sample from note off messages? In fact, why limit this idea to sampler technology? Note off with velocity sensitivity triggering a synth event. Obviously, the event would have no sustain portion to its envelope so samples and percussive sounds might work best, but imagine a synth pad that ends with a bang! Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 12:14:47 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:14:35 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:14:18 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:10:56 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:12 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: Roland news !! To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:12:34 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Jim Norman just called me again to tell me that Roland is going to give us (sgroup) the entire S-550 and S-50 sample library disks to put on lotus ftp site. This way, Roland is able to refer any Roland sampler user's around the world to us at lotus. He said since Roland is going on-line on CompuServe in about 2 weeks, he wants to know how we could get CompuServe tied into the sgroup. I told himn CompuServe is on the Internet and we could have e-mail go thru CompuServe to non_internet Roland users. Roland is apparantly very keen now on interacting with the sgroup as a resource. Who knows, maybe we'll all get jobs with Roland ?? Unfortunately the disk I sent Jim didn't seem to work on his machine, I don't know why, I tested it before I sent it. I told him to just ftp the utility programs from lotus since he has Internet access. Anyway, cheers to Jim for being such a swell guy. I hope Roland gets a clue now that there are sufficient qualified people out there who know what the hell they are doing and could do with Roland gear if they were given the support and resources. Bottom line is Don't sell your Roland sampler now !!, things are looking up and we have been making some serious waves at Roland. If more people would keep calling or writing them and complaining, we would really be making them aware of the considerable number of users out there who want support. I just don't think Roland had any idea that we were out there. --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 12:24:10 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:24:03 -0400 Received: from ihf.compuserve.com ([149.174.128.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:20:49 -0400 Received: by ihf.compuserve.com (5.67/5.930129sam) id AA29068; Thu, 9 Sep 93 16:20:27 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:12:23 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: s330 hacker mode Message-Id: <930909161223_70531.2124_FHH70-3@CompuServe.COM> Status: R Since there is lot of talk of hacking your sampler OS.. I don't know why you might want to know this.. It seems dangerous to play with it.. but here is the way to get to hacker mode on a s330. Obviously I can claim no reponsibilities for you screwing up your sampler. Just passing along what little info I have.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- turn power on with UTIL disk inserted (I use version 1.03) hit: Mode, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, Execute hit: DownArrow, Execute, Excecute hit: Menu, Dec/No, Submenu Now it says "hacker mode tone map" (I have no idea what this means..) hit: Mode, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, Execute You now have more choices on the UTIL menu... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am quite curious what this hacker tone map you'll see is.. I haven't experimented with this much so please fill me and the list in on any discoveries! Dennis (70531.2124@compuserve.com) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 12:31:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:30:56 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:26:35 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:28 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:23 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:28 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: ZIP files on lotus To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:28:08 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I suggest we start using the .ZIP file compression for the samdisk S-series sample disks on lotus because the standard Unix .Z compression sucks on these files. When I zip the library disks (about 720K bytes) I get them down to about between 430K and 550K per file. This is FAR better than the standard Unix compress program. If we are possibly going to be able to put the entire Roland sample library on lotus on-line, then we should ZIP 'em to save precious disk space on JM Sellen's UWaterloo system. I have the latest UNIX zip program which is 100% compatible with the latest DOS pkzip/ pkunzip programs. It works great, I use it to zip my files on my various Unix and DOS machines with no hassle. This maybe a stupid question, but can Mac, Amiga, & Atari people use a form of pkzip/pkunzip on their machines ? This would help a lot ... -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 13:29:56 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:29:44 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:24:21 -0400 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA28799; Thu, 9 Sep 93 13:24:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9309091724.AA28799@relay1.UU.NET> Received: from technet.UUCP by uucp2.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 132249.16064; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:22:49 EDT Received: by technet.macom.com (15.11/15.6) id AA04066; Thu, 9 Sep 93 13:17:45 edt From: Keith Barkley Subject: Zipping/Unzipping To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:17:44 -0400 Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9] Status: R There is no problem unzipping on an amiga. There are several PD unzippers out there. Though I don't know their names off the top of my head. If anyone needs more specific info I can give Genie file names, though I am sure they are on the ftp sites. Aside #1: I have an amiga and an S-10. (And an '85 Fiero-- I think I am rvealing too much about my personality 8^) ). There are some utilities for the amiga that let you dump samples to the computer and even turn them into iff files. If anyone is interested I can get you more info. Aside #2: Smith Corona sells QD's much cheaper than Roland or Radio Shack. About $6 US for 2. I have seen them in the larger office supply stores. Aside #3: Can whoever give us the S-10 Hacker mode info? I, for one would be interested. Keith Barkley keith@technet.macom.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 13:36:03 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:35:51 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 93 13:35:47 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <160>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:29:39 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA13374; Thu, 9 Sep 93 13:14:49 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA11688; Thu, 9 Sep 93 13:14:46 EDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:14:46 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309091714.AA11688@rosalind> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Zip Files Status: R David Wilson suggests: > I suggest we start using the .ZIP file compression for the samdisk S-series Yes, sounds like a good idea to me! Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 17:00:13 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88190-2>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 17:00:02 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <239>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 16:55:27 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88188-2>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 16:55:14 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Roland update Message-Id: <93Sep9.165514edt.88188-2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 16:55:03 -0400 Status: R (really from "Shiv (S.) Naimpally" ) In message "Roland update", you write: > Most or all of the S-550 code is in Japan in japanese > and isn't available. Well the comments maybe in Japanese but the code must be in some computer language. Getting the comments translated into English would help. > He said his RND people told him that in hacker mode > on the S-550, you can read W-30 disks (load tone, I believe) and it also > apparantly can receive MIDI sample dump standard in hacker mode. Fabulous ! Why didn't those %^%$% at Roland implement MIDI sample dump as a straight feature instead of leaving it to Hackermode ? Also, does the S330 have a hackermode and can it also accept SDS ? > Also, he is sending me an Atari > program called SampleTools which apparantly can read S-550 or W-30 disks > on the Atari and edit the samples/data on the Atari screen. I don't have > any more info than that, I'll have to borrow a co-worker's Atari ST to > try it. This is likely the PA Decoder software package. I got literature from them last year and I remember this part about being able to read S330 disks on the Atari. > Jim Norman is apparantly trying very hard to get us information and details > that we want concerning our S-series samplers. Unfortunately, there seems > to be a tremendous GAP between Roland Japan and Roland USA. They used to be seperate companies with Roland Japan owning a majority stake in Roland USA. Recently though Roland Japan bought 100% of Roland USA. The former president of Roland USA has been retained in an advisory role. > I'm not > putting them down in any way, they seem to want to help very much, but there > is this lack of coordination and communication between Roland Japan and > Roland USA. Well now that they are the same company, perhaps things will flow smoother. At least they are talking to us ! Its a start ! Shiv From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 20:09:10 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88185-3>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 20:09:02 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:08:53 -0400 Received: from mumrik.nada.kth.se ([130.237.223.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <239>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 20:04:16 -0400 Received: by mumrik.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA03349; Fri, 10 Sep 93 02:04:08 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 20:04:08 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9309100004.AA03349@mumrik.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: XL1 sample CD review Status: R I couldn't resist the temptation, and went out and bought it yesterday. Within hours, I was torn from exaltion to disappointment to happiness. The organization on the sampling CD XL1 is different than the X-tatic Goldmine, as is the content. Some samples are recognizable from the XG, but the majority is new. The ethnic stuff on XL1 is for instance highly useable, as opposed to XG. On the other hand, this double CD has less samples than the XG had. The loops are much cleaner and almost sound sequenced from drum samples instead of lifted off records. On the other hand, they say they're not in the lining text, which makes me grudgingly applaud their ability of finding homogenous loops that go well together. Grudgingly? Yes; this Dance CD is more americal and less european in its sound. Allmost ALL of the loops have that "rare groove"/"slow breakbeat" swing feeling; there is not a lot of really hardcore loops here. Hip-Hip, Funk/Dance and Ragga people have more to benefit from this CD than hardcore ravers. The layout is one disk of "construction kits" consisting of some loops, drum samples, instruments and effects that are supposed to go well together. Most do. And, as I said, most are laid-back, slammin' and rammin' grooves. The second disk is a traditional sampling CD oriented per cathegory, and has a good mixture of stuff; from loops to fx. Here, it is definately a matter of taste what you find useful - I personally like the lead-ins and riffs (of which they promise more on XL2) However, about every 30s sound comes from The Prodigy/Experience (I also recognize a lot of Opus and some E.L.O.) which brings us to the clouded clearance issue. The lining has the following to say: (stars are mine, errors theirs) (c) Polestar Magnetics,*1* Sweden. All rights reserved by Polestar Magnetics. All lending, renting, copying, duplicating and reselling of this product or it's*2* contents is strictly prohibited. Only the purchaser of this product*3* have*4* been licensed to use samples*5* from it in their music, not for the creation of af*6* any competative*7* producs. Neither The producers*8* nor The Distributors*9* can sake any responsibility whatsoever for any direct or consequential loss that may occur when using this product.*10* *1* No year? You do have a copyright even without a notice, but notices should have a year when they ARE present. It is not clear wether they claim a compilation or content copyright. *2* sic *3* "the product" is not defined anywhere *4* sic *5* not "the samples," "samples" - without further specifying which samples are actually licensed (and which are not) *6* sic *7* sic - and who draws the line of what's a "competetive" product? If I read the Billboard top 40, is it competetive enough? :-) As far as competing goes; they seem to have no qualms about sampling other peoples work, so anything I do could be a competing product... *8* The Producers are not defined anywhere *9* The Distributors are not defined anywhere *10* The only time I am using the product (either CD disk, or the actual booklet only) is when I'm transferring digitally to my mac to cut the tracks up and tranfer to my sampler. I can live with having a separate home insurance. What if I get sued for using one of the samples? This clause is so contradictory that I can't make heads or tails of it - one part (*5*) seems to say I AM licensed to use the contents in my music; any kind of music. That implies they do have a right to license the contents of the disk. On the other hand; the disclaimer (*8*, *9*, *10*) seems to mean "we didn't clear all of this for you, just for ourselves" If so, why don't they say so, and tell us WHERE the samples come from so we may clear them ourselves? This renders the sounds fairly useless for anything but fooling around in the basement... However, much of the contents is fairly useable (and contemporary; the techno rave stuff doesn't sell as much anymore so I guess they adjusted their market a little :-) so for sample quality and usefulness for its setting, it's 5 out of 5. I look forward to more riffs and breaks on XL2 (which will have no drums or loops, they say) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 9 20:15:59 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88185-1>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 20:15:54 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:15:51 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <241>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 20:11:58 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA12547 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 20:08:18 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA05404; Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:08:16 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA13779; Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:08:15 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9309100008.AA13779@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Sorry to bother you like that ... To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 20:08:12 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 913 Status: R OK, this a non S question but the forum is alive and it's good place to ask such question. When one asks rec.music.makers.synth, he is not sure of having a decent response all the time. Sometimes, a more restrictive group is a better forum for choices. I'm adding to my set-up a TX-216 pretty soon: you know the twin almost un-editable offspring of the DX-7. I'm planning on purchasing Windows editors for this beast: The new MidiQuest 4.0 is out but some people will only sware by X-OR. Just give me a personnal ring for comments. Thanks! P.S. Can you make sure that either of them include DX/TX drivers? Marc. ________________________________________________________________________________ Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? ________________________________________________________________________________ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 10 02:05:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 02:05:45 -0400 Received: from relay2.geis.com ([192.77.188.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <240>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 02:02:28 -0400 Received: by relay2.geis.com (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA12383; Fri, 10 Sep 93 07:01:49 +0100 From: k.meiere1@genie.geis.com Message-Id: <9309100601.AA12383@relay2.geis.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 01:29:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: ZIP'ing for other systems X-Genie-Id: 3733123 X-Genie-From: K.MEIERE1 Status: R > This maybe a stupid question, but can Mac, Amiga, & Atari people use > a form of pkzip/pkunzip on their machines ? This would help a lot ... A Public Domain version of ZIP/UNZIP is available for Atari. ZIP'ing appears to be a good standard for compressing SamDisk files, IMO. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 10 02:56:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 02:55:49 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <242>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 02:52:39 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA25139; Thu, 9 Sep 93 23:52:19 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25136; Thu, 9 Sep 93 23:52:16 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA18811; Fri, 10 Sep 93 07:43:56 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:43:56 -0400 From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Message-Id: <9309100743.AA18811@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: davidw@rnd220.ATC.Olivetti.Com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: ZIP files on lotus Status: R I, even being an Amiga user, have no problem in getting zip files. Bye, Ivan From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 10 05:14:30 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-3>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 05:14:26 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <239>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 05:11:14 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA05543; Fri, 10 Sep 93 02:11:07 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05535; Fri, 10 Sep 93 02:11:02 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA19453; Fri, 10 Sep 93 10:10:02 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:10:02 -0400 From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Message-Id: <9309101010.AA19453@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-50 Hacker Mode Status: R Hi, I took an S-50 samdisk file, and extracted all ascii strings in it ... guess ! I saw a string "Hacker" ! Does this mean that an Hacker mode is there too ? Bye, Ivan From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 10 11:17:18 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:17:05 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Sep 93 11:16:59 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <239>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:13:22 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 93 09:49 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 93 09:43 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 93 09:48 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: Reaching Jim Norman To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:48:24 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Many people have been asking how to get in touch with Jim Norman at Roland, well all you have to do is call Roland at (213) 685-5141 and ask for Jim Norman it is as simple as that. It's really not such a big deal at all. If you get his voice mail, leave a message and tell him your are with the Internet sgroup and he'll get back to you, I'm sure. He has always called me back. Long distance too, Roland is in L.A. and I'm in New York City. Believe me, Jim and Roland KNOW for sure who the sgroup is now, with all the harrassment we have being giving them. If you want Jim, you really have to call him. He has Internet access and can get sgroup e-mail, but Roland is not the experienced "Internetters" like us. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 10 23:52:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 23:52:46 -0400 Received: from world.std.com ([192.74.137.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 23:48:24 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13861; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 23:47:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 23:44:40 -0400 From: michael gary moncur Subject: S550/330 hacker mode - was Re: EPS to S550 To: SGroup Post In-Reply-To: <9309102233.AA11240@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Fri, 10 Sep 1993, Scott Wilkie External wrote: > One last thing, are people using the CD5 v1.02 OS... it is much nicer than the > non-CD version (v1.15 highest i think). My favourite feature is being able to > select NAME CHARACTERS with mouse, instead of DEC/INC them... yuck! Does anyone > have a higher version of the CD5 OS? PS: SCSI is not required to use the CD5 > OS. I'm using good old OS version 1.01 on my S-330, and I can use the mouse to select name characters. Is something different with the 550? RE: S330 Hacker mode - It works as described. Doesn't seem very useful, though. No handy "Read W-30 Disk" feature here. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Sat Sep 11 12:29:44 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Sat, 11 Sep 1993 12:29:41 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sat, 11 Sep 93 12:29:32 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk ([128.86.8.45]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <222>; Sat, 11 Sep 1993 12:23:53 -0400 Via: uk.ac.afrc; Sat, 11 Sep 1993 17:21:48 +0100 Via: uk.ac.afrc.resa; Sat, 11 Sep 1993 17:16:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 17:23:00 -0400 From: "JON BOXALL." To: SGROUP Subject: Random thoughts... Message-Id: <93Sep11.122353edt.222@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Hi! While we're on the subject of 'what we'd lurve to see in future upgrades of our machines', there's one feature I'd like. Maybe it's a bit unusual, but there we are. I'd like to be able to specify not one sample, but a group of samples in a sound, which could be RANDOMLY picked by the machine. You couuld even give them probabilities. It would go some way towards making some sounds feel more realistic. Yeah, I know my S750's got a 'human feel' parameter, but let's face it, it's a bit basic isn't it?! Any why not stop there? Let's have pseudo-random loop generation, envelope shaping....etc etc. Or am I the only one that misses the sheer unpredictability of the old analogue synths? Jon Boxall. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Sat Sep 11 13:32:39 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Sat, 11 Sep 1993 13:32:33 -0400 Received: from stranglers.nada.kth.se ([130.237.227.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <223>; Sat, 11 Sep 1993 13:28:07 -0400 Received: by stranglers.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA15341; Sat, 11 Sep 93 19:27:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1993 13:27:54 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9309111727.AA15341@stranglers.nada.kth.se> To: SGROUP@LOTUS.UWATERLOO.CA, jboxall@afrc.ac.uk Subject: Re: Random thoughts... Status: R Well, when I need randomness, I just go into Logical Edit in CuBase, and randomize whatever parameter seems proper... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Sep 12 03:22:47 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Sun, 12 Sep 1993 03:22:41 -0400 Received: from world.std.com ([192.74.137.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <224>; Sun, 12 Sep 1993 03:15:41 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA26324; Sun, 12 Sep 1993 03:14:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 03:12:50 -0400 From: michael gary moncur Subject: Re: S550/330 hacker mode - was Re: EPS to S550 To: SGroup Post In-Reply-To: <9309112038.AA29602@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R What about the MIDI standard sample dumps? Does the 550 just receive one if one happens to come, or do you need to set something up? Hopefully the 330 does it too. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 10 18:04:32 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 18:04:22 -0400 Received: from ucsd.edu ([132.239.254.201]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 18:00:19 -0400 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA23137 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Fri, 10 Sep 93 14:59:40 -0700 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (5.60/UCSDGENERIC2) id AA29091 for technet!keith@uunet.UU.NET; Fri, 10 Sep 93 14:58:48 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 17:58:48 -0400 From: jdawes@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (Handle Head Messiah) Message-Id: <9309102158.AA29091@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca, technet!keith@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Re: Zipping/Unzipping Status: RO I would like to use pkzip , too. BUT. I think the file names have several dots in them. ( DOS filenames can onlyu take 8 letters and . and 3 letter! ) Just curious, that's all John. /sorry about the typos, I'm having problems with my terminal emulation From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 10 18:37:28 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 18:37:26 -0400 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 18:33:28 -0400 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930526-09:20) id AA14827; Fri, 10 Sep 93 19:33:17 ADT Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930823-11:20) id AA11240; Fri, 10 Sep 93 19:33:17 ADT Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 18:33:17 -0400 From: Scott Wilkie External Message-Id: <9309102233.AA11240@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: EPS to S550 Status: RO Well, I am almost completed the EPS to S550 conversion study... :) Only have a thing or two left to figure out and we can be well on our way to extracting their sound data. Everything is working except some tones seem to have an extra 6 bytes of NULL in their parameter data. I can't figure out why. Re the HACKER mode on the S550... I hope people have clued in that it is not necessary to go through the boot up process stuff... and if they have a mouse, they do not have to press all the keys... except "0" and "DEC". One last thing, are people using the CD5 v1.02 OS... it is much nicer than the non-CD version (v1.15 highest i think). My favourite feature is being able to select NAME CHARACTERS with mouse, instead of DEC/INC them... yuck! Does anyone have a higher version of the CD5 OS? PS: SCSI is not required to use the CD5 OS. scott... S550 HACKER SUPREME. **************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: wilkie@jupiter.sun.csd.ca * ** ** **************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 13 10:20:25 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-2>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 10:20:22 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 10:13:39 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 93 09:35 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 93 09:30 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 93 09:35 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: S550 reads W-30 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 09:35:00 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I just want to clarify the point I was making about the S-550 and S-330 reading W-30 disks in "Hacker Mode". There is no "Read W-30 Disk" menu option that appears in the pull-down menu while in "Hacker Mode". What you do is select the normal disk menu in the S-550 and S-330 and select either "Load Tone" or "Dir Tone" from the normal disk menu. Then you simply pop a W-30 disk in the S-550 or S-330 disk drive and the W-30 disk will be read by the S-550 or S-330. In non-hacker mode (normal mode) on the S-550 or S-330, the screen would come up and say "Insert S-550 disk" when you tried to load tones from a W-30 disk, in "Hacker Mode" it WILL read the W-30 disks and the screen will come up and say "W-30 Sound and Song Data Disk" while loading. This allows you to load the individual tones (samples) from a W-30 disk into the S-550 and then save them to a S-550 disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 13 10:43:24 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88183-1>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 10:43:17 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 10:37:56 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 93 10:40 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 93 10:34 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 93 10:39 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: Atari SoundTools To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 10:39:42 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Jim Norman of Roland just mailed me a copy of an Atari program called "Sound Tools" it is supposed to be a nice graphical editor for S-50 and S-550 disks. I believe it reads the S-50 and S-550 disks and loads the sample data into the Atari from disk, rather than Midi dump. I am going to borrow or maybe buy a co-workers Atari ST machine and try it, I will try to upload the disk to lotus. Jim said it was a working Demo and saves ,etc. and he said it was really a nice program. He is trying to find the European developers who made it, he is trying through the distributor of the program, but he doesn't know if they are still around. If Roland can't find out, then I sure as hell doubt I can. :-) An Atari ST, .... hmmmm. Oh well, I need to learn 68000 assembler anyway -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 13 15:33:39 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88203-2>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 15:33:29 -0400 Received: from amway.ch.apollo.hp.com ([15.254.24.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:40:17 -0400 Received: from clue.ch.apollo.hp.com by amway.ch.apollo.hp.com id Mon, 13 Sep 93 13:39:13 EDT Received: by showroom.ch.apollo.hp.com id ; Mon, 13 Sep 93 13:39:12 -0400 From: patmc@apollo.hp.com Subject: Zipping of sample files To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:39:12 -0400 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Message-Id: <93Sep13.134017edt.42@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Hello, Someone last week suggested using Zip as the way to save space on the sgroup archive and (I think) said that there were Unix versions which were completely compatible with the latest PKZip. I think this is wrong - the latest Unix version of Zip I have seen is version 4.2, which refuses to uncompress new PKZip files which use new compression methods (method 8, for example). If someone knows where sources for a newer version of Unix unzip are available, please let me know. Thanks, Pat McElhatton From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 13 18:28:13 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88193-1>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 18:28:03 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca via suspension id <226>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 17:27:35 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 15:26:08 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA16946; Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:16:01 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA12761; Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:15:58 EDT Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:15:58 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309131515.AA12761@rosalind> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Feature Ideas Status: R Jon Boxall's feature ideas: > Any why not stop there? Let's have pseudo-random loop generation, > envelope shaping....etc etc. Can you describe these two features in greater detail, Jon? I'm not sure that I understand what you envision here. But I enjoyed your randomly picked sample idea! Imagine five or six sax samples of a certain pitch (talk about mult-sampling!), each with similar articulations, two of which you normally wouldn't use. Assign low priority to the two "bad" samples and your performance can include "flubs" like in a real performance! How about release velocity choosing the next sample... Real fast velocities select slurs, middle velocities select legato, and slow velocities select nomal tongueing. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 13 19:05:36 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88195-2>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 19:05:29 -0400 Received: from amway.ch.apollo.hp.com ([15.254.24.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <228>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 18:28:31 -0400 Received: from clue.ch.apollo.hp.com by amway.ch.apollo.hp.com id Mon, 13 Sep 93 17:26:38 EDT Received: by showroom.ch.apollo.hp.com id ; Mon, 13 Sep 93 17:26:37 -0400 From: patmc@apollo.hp.com Subject: Ignore previous message (about zipfiles) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 17:26:36 -0400 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Message-Id: <93Sep13.182831edt.228@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Hello, I did some looking around with archie and found a source for unix unzip version 5.0, which works with the latest PKZip files I have. The version 5.0 sources are not that easy to find - wuarchive didn't have them in /packages/compression. archie named a place with them, but it didn't have them or had them as an already-unpacked archive, but it did have a Where file that pointed me back at wuarchive in the /mirrors/misc/unix directory, where they are in a gnuzip file unz50p1.tar-z just behind the "Beware of Leopard" sign. Pat From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 14 01:03:58 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 01:03:49 -0400 Received: from newbart.jti.com ([198.22.30.242]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:59:16 -0400 Received: from pioneer.ci.net!vl by newbart.jti.com with UUCP id AA04684 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:50:09 -0400 Received: from vl.UUCP by pioneer.ci.net with UUCP id AA22474 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:35:20 -0400 Received: by vl.ci.net ( SuperPhysica WinUUCP MTA v1.00 [beta]) with UUCP; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:30:25 -0400 (EST) Message-Id: <1993Sep14.003025@vl.ci.net> X-Mailer: *Cinetic Mail Manager V2.1 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:30:21 -0400 Reply-To: tmetro@vl.ci.net From: tmetro@vl.ci.net (Tom Metro) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler users mailing list) Subject: Re: Zipping of sample files Status: R Pat McElhatton writes: > Someone last week suggested using Zip as the way to save space on > the sgroup archive and said that there were Unix versions which were > completely compatible with the latest PKZip. > ...the latest Unix version of Zip I have seen is version 4.2, which > refuses to uncompress new PKZip files which use new compression > methods... This is an old version. Unzip is up in the 5.x range. It is compatible with PKZip 2.x. > If someone knows where sources for a newer version of Unix unzip are > available, please let me know. The sources for Info-Zip's portable Zip and Unzip as well as the executables for a few platforms (i.e. MS-DOS) are available on quest.jpl.nasa.gov. -Tom -- Tom Metro tmetro@lynx.neu.edu Venture Logic tmetro@vl.ci.net Newton, MA, USA From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 14 09:48:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 09:48:52 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 09:45:01 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 93 09:47 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: Atari SoundTools To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 09:47:43 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO I just emailed to John Sellens at lotus.uwaterloo.ca the Atari SoundTools program. I asked him if he would put it on the ftp site so everyone can get it, it is in .zip format so get the latest pkunzip for DOS or Unix unzip to unzip it !!! -- --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 14 10:35:38 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:35:33 -0400 Received: from dront.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.70]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:30:57 -0400 Received: by dront.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA10139; Tue, 14 Sep 93 16:30:33 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:30:33 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9309141430.AA10139@dront.nada.kth.se> To: davidw@krf.com, sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Atari SoundTools Status: RO Is Atari SoundTools public domain? There is a program/card combo for the Mac with that name (from Digidesign) that is very commercial indeed... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 14 10:41:35 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:41:25 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <222>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:35:39 -0400 Received: from tinton.ccur.com (via tinton.tinton.ccur.com) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA21556; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:35:31 -0400 Received: from cantor by tinton.tinton.ccur.com SMTP/TCP Channel id aa14465; 14 Sep 93 10:34 EDT Subject: ZIP for the Mac? To: Roland Sampler SIG Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:34:01 -0400 From: Keith O McConnell X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9309141034.aa03053@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Status: R Does anyone know if there is a ZIP for the Mac? All Mac users have been quiet about this. I can first download to my Unix workstation and unzip before going to my Mac, but it would be nice to download directly to my Mac. -- /=======================================================================\ | Keith McConnell | | Compilers and Tools Group ________ | | Oceanport, NJ / _____/__ | | /__/____/ / | | e-mail: kom@tinton.ccur.com Concurrent /_______/ | | Voice: (908) 870-4983 Computer Corporation | \=======================================================================/ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 14 10:46:37 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:46:34 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <223>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:41:13 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:42 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:36 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:41 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: Atari Stools Demo !! To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:41:25 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R The Atari Sound Tools program that I got from Jim Norman at Roland is a DEMO program, although it is supposed to be a working demo (saves). I know it is probably not shareware, it is definately NOT the for-sale version of the program. I don't want to get into a big deal over what demo means or whatever, Roland gave me the program and the program executable is called S550DEMO.PRG, so I guess that would mean it is a demonstration version ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 14 11:31:58 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 11:31:52 -0400 Received: from dront.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.70]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 11:26:46 -0400 Received: by dront.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA15538; Tue, 14 Sep 93 17:26:17 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 11:26:17 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9309141526.AA15538@dront.nada.kth.se> To: kom@tinton.ccur.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: ZIP for the Mac? Status: R > Does anyone know if there is a ZIP for the Mac? Yes there is; one PD port which has an interface that sucks, and a "port" as a Stuffit translator which sucks somewhat less. I want the Compact Pro interface for ZIP... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 14 13:17:35 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:17:28 -0400 Received: from apple.com ([130.43.2.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:13:31 -0400 Received: by apple.com (5.61/19-Jul-1993-eef) id AA25629; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:08:34 -0700 for Received: from nlp4.UUCP by nli.com (4.1/nli.com(V1.0)) id AA25581; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:11:34 PDT Received: from nlp16.nli.com (nlp16.ARPA) by nlp4 (4.1/nli(V1.0)) id AA00733; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:01:25 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:01:25 -0400 From: stan@nli.com (Stan Sawyer) Message-Id: <9309141701.AA00733@nlp4> To: kom@tinton.ccur.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: ZIP for the Mac? Status: R There is an UNZIP for the Mac. Version 2.0 is available on many of the Mac BBSs. I have it if you'd like me to upload it somewhere. sgs@nli.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 16 07:27:42 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-3>; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 07:27:37 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 07:22:04 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA01667; Thu, 16 Sep 93 04:18:28 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01606; Thu, 16 Sep 93 04:18:22 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA00730; Thu, 16 Sep 93 13:17:23 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 09:17:23 -0400 From: grillo%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) Message-Id: <9309161217.AA00730@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Atari Sound Tools Status: R Anyone has downloaded Atari SoundTools from lotus and tried it out ? I did, but the program it not seems to work. It starts, showing a welcome window, and then tries to access to the drive A, after a while close itself whitout any messages. Savino From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 16 14:53:36 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88191-2>; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 14:53:34 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Sep 93 14:53:24 -0400 Received: from clone.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 14:49:44 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com by clone.krf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0odJjA-0004FEC; Thu, 16 Sep 93 13:50 GMT Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 16 Sep 93 09:49 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 16 Sep 93 09:44 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 16 Sep 93 09:49 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: Atari Sound Tools To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 09:49:02 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I think the Atari Sound Tools program is supposed to read a Roland S-550 or S-50 disk in drive A: on the Atari. When you run the Sound Tools program, try copying the Sound Tools executable to the hard drive and put a Roland sampler disk in the A: floppy drive and see if it starts up ok. Also, I would make sure that all of the accompanying files included in the Atari Sound Tools ZIP file are present in the same directory as the Sound tools executable. I know nothing about the Atari or even any instructions on how to use Sound Tools, just the brief summary that Jim Norman of Roland told me. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 17 03:11:37 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 03:11:27 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <222>; Fri, 17 Sep 1993 03:03:57 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA26425; Fri, 17 Sep 93 00:03:17 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26416; Fri, 17 Sep 93 00:03:13 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA12269; Fri, 17 Sep 93 09:02:08 GMT Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 05:02:08 -0400 From: grillo%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) Message-Id: <9309170802.AA12269@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Atari Sound Tools Status: R > >I think the Atari Sound Tools program is supposed to read a Roland >S-550 or S-50 disk in drive A: on the Atari. When you run the Sound >Tools program, try copying the Sound Tools executable to the hard drive and put >a Roland sampler disk in the A: floppy drive and see if it starts up ok. >Also, I would make sure that all of the accompanying files included >in the Atari Sound Tools ZIP file are present in the same directory as >the Sound tools executable. I know nothing about the Atari or even >any instructions on how to use Sound Tools, just the brief summary that >Jim Norman of Roland told me. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. > 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 >UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 > internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw > HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > I tried that too, but no way.... I'll try now to download SoundTools again from lotus,just to make sure I did not scramble it during ftp. Savino From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Sep 18 06:17:20 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 06:17:16 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Sep 93 06:17:05 -0400 Received: from relay2.geis.com ([192.77.188.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <223>; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 06:11:35 -0400 Received: by relay2.geis.com (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA25207; Sat, 18 Sep 93 11:10:37 +0100 From: d.gillogly1@genie.geis.com Message-Id: <9309181010.AA25207@relay2.geis.com> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 05:55:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Roland Sampler Users group X-Genie-Id: 0640728 X-Genie-From: D.GILLOGLY1 Status: R Hi. I've heard you've got a users group happening. I have an S-550. Will you put me on your list? I'd love to talk to more Roland folks. Thanks. Piano Man Dan in Sweet Home Chicago From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Sep 19 04:25:26 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Sun, 19 Sep 1993 04:25:19 -0400 Received: from metz.une.edu.au ([129.180.1.4]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Sun, 19 Sep 1993 04:19:57 -0400 Received: by metz.une.edu.au id AA12786 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Sun, 19 Sep 1993 17:50:47 +1000 From: Timothy Scott Message-Id: <199309190750.AA12786@metz.une.edu.au> Subject: Please change my user address To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 03:50:47 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 176 Status: R Hi Guys, Could you please change my user address from bscott3@metz.une.edu.au to tscott@metz.une.edu.au Thankyou, Tim Scott Director of Music The Armidale School Australia From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Sep 19 17:52:37 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Sun, 19 Sep 1993 17:52:29 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sun, 19 Sep 93 17:52:18 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Sun, 19 Sep 1993 17:47:55 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88165-1>; Sun, 19 Sep 1993 17:47:27 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: a note about subscription related requests .... Message-Id: <93Sep19.174727edt.88165-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 17:47:26 -0400 Status: R For those of you that aren't familiar with how mailing lists work, and can't remember what you did when you asked to be added to the sgroup mailing list, a reminder that all requests for additions to or deletions from the list must be sent to the address sgroup-request@lotus.uwaterloo.ca and not to the list itself, because if you do that, you will be annoying many, many people. Thank you for your cooperation. John Sellens sgroup list maintainer jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Sep 19 21:28:02 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Sun, 19 Sep 1993 21:27:55 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Sun, 19 Sep 1993 21:24:23 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA01296 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Sun, 19 Sep 1993 21:22:36 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA12896; Sun, 19 Sep 93 21:22:35 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA01238; Sun, 19 Sep 93 21:22:34 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9309200122.AA01238@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: PLEASE TAKE ME OFF (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 21:22:34 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 569 Status: R > Hi, I'm not sure what the proper alias to request to be removed. > I will not longer be at this email address - so if the person > responsible for doing this is reading this -PLEASE REMOVE ME > > Thanks! > > Kathy Carter ;^) Are we losing one of our few women in this group? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 20 14:35:55 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 14:35:51 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Sep 93 14:35:39 -0400 Received: from gsusgi2.gsu.edu ([131.96.1.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 14:30:14 -0400 Received: by gsusgi2.gsu.edu (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca id AA06789; Mon, 20 Sep 93 14:34:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 14:33:44 -0400 From: Roth Ritter Subject: ** LOTS OF MIDI GEAR FOR SALE--- To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO I have all of the following gear for sale... 1) Oberheim Matrix-6, mint condition, 61 key analog synth, velocity sense., manual, sustain pedal, and several patch cassettes - $400+shipping (firm) 2) Ensoniq ESQ-M (rack mount version of the ESQ-1 without sequencer), manual, and one Voice Crystal EPROM sound cartridge- $300+shipping (firm) 3) Roland S-330 rack mount sampler, mint condition, 14.4 seconds @ 30Khz/ 28.8 secs @ 15Khz, multitimbral 8 voices, velocity sense., 24 disks plus original system/utilities disk, no monitor, mouse, or manual $500+shipping (firm) 4) Kawai XD-5 rack mount percussion synth (drum machine), mint condition, with manual- $225+shipping (firm) 5) Fostex 2016 rack mixer, mint, 16 channels (inputs: 16, aux rtn (Stereo)x2, line buss x4, aux buss x4), graphic level meter, with manual $200+shipping (firm) 6) Korg DW-8000, 61 key, analog hybrid keyboard, right output doesn't work so you have to use the headphone jack for stereo which works fine, with hard shell flight case- $250+shipping 7) Akai ME30P II, 4 x 8 MIDI patch bay, mint condition- $50+shipping (firm) My policy: Money orders/cashier's check only, either in advance or COD via UPS (U.S. only). Direct questions and/or offers to my email address below. First offers that meet my price get it. I will of course take highest offers if they are below my asking price. All gear is in perfect working order unless otherwise specified. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Roth Ritter :: :: >> artcrrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu << :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Georgia State University Art & Music :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Mon Sep 20 15:02:24 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 15:02:21 -0400 Received: from ib.rl.ac.uk ([192.100.78.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <171>; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 14:58:44 -0400 Received: from letterbox.rl.ac.uk by ib.rl.ac.uk (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with TCP; Mon, 20 Sep 93 19:58:11 BST Via: uk.ac.nsfnet-relay; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 19:59:00 +0100 Received: from kth.se by sun3.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 19:57:41 +0100 Received: from dront.nada.kth.se by kth.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/6.0) id AA15509; Mon, 20 Sep 93 20:57:40 +0200 Received: by dront.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA06794; Mon, 20 Sep 93 20:57:39 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 14:57:39 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9309201857.AA06794@dront.nada.kth.se> To: SGROUP , jboxall@afrc.ac.uk Subject: Re: Random loops Status: RO > no matter how good (ie no audible clicks etc) your loop > start and end points are, you can still detect the loop point > because of the inevitable periodic change in texture Well, one thing the S-750 does is it has a loop smoothing feature which doesn't just smooth the actual loop intersection, but the area around it as well in a kind of sliding belend way. It helps in getting loops to become less noticeable. And then when you use the samples in chords, and/or in music, you really don't notice much. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 21 06:44:54 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 06:44:52 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Sep 93 06:44:38 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 06:40:50 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA13494; Tue, 21 Sep 93 03:40:38 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13491; Tue, 21 Sep 93 03:40:33 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA26194; Tue, 21 Sep 93 12:39:31 GMT Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 08:39:31 -0400 From: grillo%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) Message-Id: <9309211139.AA26194@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S550 Operative System Status: R Hi there, I just got the 1.15 S550 Utility Disk an the CD-5 (Hard Disk & CD-Rom) Utility/System disk. Can I put it on lotus without break any copyright ? What do you say Jim ? If Yes, please let me know how to do it. savino From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 21 18:18:28 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:18:18 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 21 Sep 93 18:18:07 -0400 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:14:42 -0400 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930526-09:20) id AA10870; Tue, 21 Sep 93 19:14:34 ADT Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930823-11:20) id AA06914; Tue, 21 Sep 93 19:14:30 ADT Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:14:30 -0400 From: Scott Wilkie External Message-Id: <9309212214.AA06914@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: FOR SALE EQUIPMENT Status: R I have the following items for sale, in mint condition with manuals and boxes: Yamaha RX-11 Drum Machine Yamaha RX-21L Latin Drum Machine Yamaha QX5 MIDI Sequencer Make an offer... **************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: wilkie@jupiter.sun.csd.ca * ** ** **************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 21 21:50:34 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 21:50:27 -0400 Received: from gsusgi2.gsu.edu ([131.96.1.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 21:46:59 -0400 Received: by gsusgi2.gsu.edu (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca id AA26203; Tue, 21 Sep 93 21:46:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 21:43:46 -0400 From: Roth Ritter Subject: S-330 Hacker Mode.. To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R There was recent discussion about hacker modes here and I lost the post about using it on the S-330. Can someone please post that again? I've got some W-30 disks to try to read on it. Thanks :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Roth Ritter :: :: >> artcrrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu << :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Georgia State University Art & Music :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 22 12:24:47 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 12:24:30 -0400 Received: from clone.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 12:20:36 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com by clone.krf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ofRVr-0004IwC; Wed, 22 Sep 93 10:33 GMT Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:19 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:13 EDT Received: by ministry.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:16 EDT Message-Id: Subject: .WAV file format To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 14:16:45 -0400 From: UNIXMAN X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 798 Status: R Does anyone know where I can get the latest sample data file format technical docs for .WAV, .VOC, .IFF, etc. files ?? I have the AudioFormats FAQ version 2.10 that has a lot of detail on some of the formats, but it doesn't have them all. Also, does anyone have any sample source code for Windows-based sample editors for .WAV or other sample files ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 MS-EE Student 199? internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 22 12:29:16 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88183-1>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 12:29:09 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Sep 93 12:29:02 -0400 Received: from clone.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 12:24:27 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com by clone.krf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ofRWD-0004IvC; Wed, 22 Sep 93 10:33 GMT Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 93 13:27 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 93 13:21 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 93 13:26 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: new S550 O/S To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 13:26:43 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Will someone please explain the new features of the new 1.15 release of the S-550 operating system ?? When did this become available and how come no one at Roland knew anything about this all the times I asked them ?? Is it newer than the CD-5 S-550 operating system or can I use them both, or what is the deal ?? I don't have the CD-ROM drive or SCSI interface installed so can I still use the new O/S ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 22 15:27:04 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-1>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 15:26:59 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 15:23:46 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA02466; Wed, 22 Sep 93 15:17:46 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA16269; Wed, 22 Sep 93 15:17:42 EDT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 15:17:42 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309221917.AA16269@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: S330 Hacker Mode Status: R I don't remember who wanted the S330 hacker information, but here's what I saved from those discussions. Bill Fox ================================================== > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:12:16 EDT > Sender: "Electronic music \"gearhead\" list" > From: dennis barton <70531.2124@COMPUSERVE.COM> > Subject: s330 hacker mode > > Since there is lot of talk of hacking your sampler OS.. > I don't know why you might want to know this.. It seems dangerous to play > with it.. but here is the way to get to hacker mode on a s330. Obviously I > can claim no reponsibilities for you screwing up your sampler. Just passing > along what little info I have.. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > turn power on with UTIL disk inserted (I use version 1.03) > hit: Mode, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, Execute > hit: DownArrow, Execute, Excecute > hit: Menu, Dec/No, Submenu > Now it says "hacker mode tone map" (I have no idea what this means..) > hit: Mode, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, DownArrow, Execute > You now have more choices on the UTIL menu... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am quite curious what this hacker tone map you'll see is.. > I haven't experimented with this much so please fill me and the list in on > any discoveries! > > Dennis (70531.2124@compuserve.com) > > From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) > Subject: S550 reads W-30 > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 09:35:00 -0400 > > I just want to clarify the point I was making about the S-550 and S-330 > reading W-30 disks in "Hacker Mode". There is no "Read W-30 Disk" menu option > that appears in the pull-down menu while in "Hacker Mode". What you do > is select the normal disk menu in the S-550 and S-330 and select either > "Load Tone" or "Dir Tone" from the normal disk menu. Then you simply pop > a W-30 disk in the S-550 or S-330 disk drive and the W-30 disk will be > read by the S-550 or S-330. In non-hacker mode (normal mode) on the S-550 > or S-330, the screen would come up and say "Insert S-550 disk" when you > tried to load tones from a W-30 disk, in "Hacker Mode" it WILL read the W-30 > disks and the screen will come up and say "W-30 Sound and Song Data Disk" > while loading. This allows you to load the individual tones (samples) from > a W-30 disk into the S-550 and then save them to a S-550 disk. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. > 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 > UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 > internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw > HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 22 19:45:26 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 19:45:22 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Sep 93 19:45:14 -0400 Received: from gsusgi2.gsu.edu ([131.96.1.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 19:41:54 -0400 Received: by gsusgi2.gsu.edu (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca id AA14963; Wed, 22 Sep 93 19:40:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 19:39:34 -0400 From: Roth Ritter Subject: Re: S330 Hacker Mode To: wbf@aloft.att.com Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9309221917.AA16269@rosalind> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Thanks, I got the info. Can't wait to use all my old W30 disks... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Roth Ritter :: :: >> artcrrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu << :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Georgia State University Art & Music :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 22 20:02:47 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 20:02:40 -0400 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 19:58:57 -0400 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930526-09:20) id AA24541; Wed, 22 Sep 93 19:46:25 ADT Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930823-11:20) id AA05734; Wed, 22 Sep 93 19:43:24 ADT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 18:43:24 -0400 From: Scott Wilkie External Message-Id: <9309222243.AA05734@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: SCSI interface - S550 Status: R Does anyone know the scoop on the SCSI interface for the S550? Will any SCSI Harddrive work? Or only a certain kind or what? I am about to buy one and I want to know what I am getting into first. Thanks. dhomas **************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: wilkie@jupiter.sun.csd.ca * ** ** **************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!SGROUP-owner Mon Sep 20 11:10:26 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:10:12 -0400 Received: from ib.rl.ac.uk ([192.100.78.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:06:11 -0400 Received: from letterbox.rl.ac.uk by ib.rl.ac.uk (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with TCP; Mon, 20 Sep 93 16:05:42 BST Via: uk.ac.afrc; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 16:06:23 +0100 Via: uk.ac.afrc.resa; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 16:12:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:04:00 -0400 From: "JON BOXALL." To: SGROUP Subject: Random loops Message-Id: <93Sep20.110611edt.42@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: RO Bill, Nice to know somebody saw the sort of thing I was getting at :-) >Jon Boxall's feature ideas: >> Any why not stop there? Let's have pseudo-random loop generation, >> envelope shaping....etc etc. >Can you describe these two features in greater detail, Jon? I'm not >sure that I understand what you envision here. Ok. The loops idea is on similar lines to the random sample idea. One thing I've gottn fed up with when trying to get a decent loop point is that, for a lot of samples, no matter how good (ie no audible clicks etc) your loop start and end points are, you can still detect the loop point because of the inevitable periodic change in texture between the start and end point. Also, if you try and use very small loop sections, you get into awful trouble. I often use the 'alternate' form of the loop to make it sound more natural, but you can still hear the periodicity. So, why not store more than one loop, and get the machine to pick a different one each time? That way you could prevent the listeners' ears from detecting the loop so easily. And another use: If you're using a breakbeat, and you want a little variety, why not sample a longer section (OK, I KNOW it's not often possible, but we're being hypothetical here...), and store a few loop points, for instance on the first and third beat of each bar (Or you could be more daring... but I've no idea what you'd end up with if you chose every beat, or 1st and 4th, or ...), then let your sampler make up it's own mind how it's gonna play it... Random envelope gereration? Ok, so you called my bluff. Haven't got a clue on this one ;-). Anyone else?? Jon Boxall. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 23 09:50:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 09:50:42 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 09:47:10 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA05306; Thu, 23 Sep 93 06:46:50 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05269; Thu, 23 Sep 93 06:46:41 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA22326; Thu, 23 Sep 93 15:28:21 GMT From: grillo%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) Message-Id: <9309231428.AA22326@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> Subject: Re: new S550 O/S To: davidw@rnd220.ATC.Olivetti.Com (UNIXMAN) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 11:28:20 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: ; from "UNIXMAN" at Sep 21, 93 1:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] X: ______________________________________________________________________ Status: R > > Will someone please explain the new features of the new 1.15 release > of the S-550 operating system ?? When did this become available and > how come no one at Roland knew anything about this all the times I > asked them ?? Is it newer than the CD-5 S-550 operating system or > can I use them both, or what is the deal ?? I don't have the CD-ROM > drive or SCSI interface installed so can I still use the new O/S ?? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. > 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 > UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 > internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw > HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > For what I've seen ,apparently there are no new feature,in the 1.15 0/ probably just bug-fixes ( Which ones ? Who knows? ). It's a bit strange but if you look in the "samdisked" file, the release date it's 1 Aprile 90 (!) The CD-5 0/S is dated 22 Nov 88, and you can use it without hooking any SCSI interface. One of the useful feature is that you can load an entire patch with all the associated tone in one step, another one is that you can choose letters and numbers through the mouse in a dedicated little window, veery useful when you have to label disk and patch/tones. Hope Mr.Jim Norman from Roland can get some info on the O/S release history. Sorry if my english is not so good. Savino tones all in one step From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 23 10:33:38 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 10:33:28 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <56>; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 10:29:41 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA03961; Thu, 23 Sep 93 06:34:41 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03928; Thu, 23 Sep 93 06:34:37 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA22351; Thu, 23 Sep 93 15:33:36 GMT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 11:33:36 -0400 From: grillo%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) Message-Id: <9309231433.AA22351@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: New S550 O/S Status: R > > Will someone please explain the new features of the new 1.15 release > of the S-550 operating system ?? When did this become available and > how come no one at Roland knew anything about this all the times I > asked them ?? Is it newer than the CD-5 S-550 operating system or > can I use them both, or what is the deal ?? I don't have the CD-ROM > drive or SCSI interface installed so can I still use the new O/S ?? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. > 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 > UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 > internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw > HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > For what I've seen ,apparently there are no new feature,in the 1.15 0/ probably just bug-fixes ( Which ones ? Who knows? ). It's a bit strange but if you look in the "samdisked" file, the release date it's 1 Aprile 90 (!) The CD-5 0/S is dated 22 Nov 88, and you can use it without hooking any SCSI interface. One of the useful feature is that you can load an entire patch with all the associated tone in one step, another one is that you can choose letters and numbers through the mouse in a dedicated little window, veery useful when you have to label disk and patch/tones. Hope Mr.Jim Norman from Roland can get some info on the O/S release history. Sorry if my english is not so good. Savino From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 23 13:54:54 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-2>; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 13:54:48 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 23 Sep 93 13:54:37 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 13:48:20 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA14267; Thu, 23 Sep 93 13:38:43 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA16603; Thu, 23 Sep 93 13:38:40 EDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 13:38:40 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309231738.AA16603@rosalind> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: New O/s Upload HOW ? Status: R Savino asks: > I tried to upload on lotus the new 1.15 S550 O/S, with no > luck. Please could some one give me any help ? > I received the permission to distribute it from Jim Norman. Try using your 1.15 Utilities disk to boot up your S550. Then format a (blank) Sound disk. If that is successful, then use samdisk to load the Sound disk into your PC and upload the resulting file. Unfortunately, when I tried to use samdisk to upload the Utilities disk itself, I wasn't able to do that. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 24 00:12:14 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 00:12:09 -0400 Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com ([149.174.128.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 00:08:43 -0400 Received: by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (5.67/5.930129sam) id AA28092; Fri, 24 Sep 93 00:08:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 23:34:46 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: N Grant Message-Id: <930924033445_70531.2124_FHH81-1@CompuServe.COM> Status: R Nick Grant, please email me.. I don't have your net address. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 24 02:59:43 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 02:59:38 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 02:56:24 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA17657; Thu, 23 Sep 93 23:56:19 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17653; Thu, 23 Sep 93 23:56:11 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA03195; Fri, 24 Sep 93 08:55:08 GMT From: grillo%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) Message-Id: <9309240755.AA03195@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> Subject: Re: New O/s Upload HOW ? To: wbf@aloft.att.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 04:55:06 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9309231738.AA16603@rosalind>; from "wbf@aloft.att.com" at Sep 23, 93 1:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] X: ______________________________________________________________________ Status: R > > Savino asks: > > I tried to upload on lotus the new 1.15 S550 O/S, with no > > luck. Please could some one give me any help ? > > I received the permission to distribute it from Jim Norman. > > Try using your 1.15 Utilities disk to boot up your S550. Then format a > (blank) Sound disk. If that is successful, then use samdisk to load the > Sound disk into your PC and upload the resulting file. Unfortunately, when > I tried to use samdisk to upload the Utilities disk itself, I wasn't able > to do that. > > Bill Fox > Yes Bill, I know how to create a "samdisked" files of the S550 disk, the problem is that when I try to put it on lotus I get a message like this: ftp> util115.550 permission denied where "util115.550" is my file. The problem is very simple we don't have writing permission on lotus, I think we should have it at least in the "incoming" directory, in this way we could also exchange sounds between us "sgroupers", using lotus as a temporary location. Cheers From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Sep 24 20:54:20 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88190-1>; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 20:54:18 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 Sep 93 20:54:16 -0400 Received: from relay2.geis.com ([192.77.188.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 20:50:44 -0400 Received: by relay2.geis.com (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA07181; Sat, 25 Sep 93 01:50:11 +0100 From: p.lanctot@genie.geis.com Message-Id: <9309250050.AA07181@relay2.geis.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 20:36:00 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S330 for sale! X-Genie-Id: 4927793 X-Genie-From: P.LANCTOT Status: R hi everyone. I'mselling my S330 with: 1) latest eprom upgrade from Roland 2) Sequencer option (hardware key included) 3) About 40 disks of Roland samples 4) Mouse and monitor 5) ALL manuals for ....$699 I'll ship ups C.O.D.(cash,money order) ---- email: PLanctot@genie.geis.com --- voice: Paul at 617-783-2894 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 27 11:07:02 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:06:51 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:00:56 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA16998; Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:56:41 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA17932; Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:56:38 EDT Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 10:56:38 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309271456.AA17932@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Uploading to the ftp site Status: R Savino's reply to my reply: > Yes Bill, I know how to create a "samdisked" files of the S550 disk, > the problem is that when I try to put it on lotus I get a message like this: > > ftp> util115.550 permission denied > > where "util115.550" is my file. The problem is very simple we don't have > writing permission on lotus, I think we should have it at least in the > "incoming" directory, in this way we could also exchange sounds between > us "sgroupers", using lotus as a temporary location. Hmmm... I only tried to upload one disk ("waves" with rev 1.13 OS on it). It took a couple of tries because I had never uploaded with ftp before. But John knew I was trying. Maybe that was the secret of my success. How about it John? Do you have to turn permissions on and off for uploading or can we upload to the incoming directory anytime? Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 27 11:42:16 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:42:07 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:42:04 -0400 Received: from watserv1.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.129.140]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <197>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:36:36 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by watserv1.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:36:16 -0400 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA26719; Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:33:05 -0400 Received: from krfiny.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 113154.24988; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:31:54 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:27 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:32 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@uunet.UU.NET (UNIXMAN) Subject: How to upload S550 Utils To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:32:57 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R We don't have ftp write access to lotus, so here's how you can upload the two new S550 Utils 1.15 and CD5 O/S disks to lotus: You must uuencode the disk image file (samdisk or Unix dd dump) of the floppies and e-mail them to John Sellens at lotus. I would think that samdisk should be able to read the Utilities disk just the same as a sound disks, it is just reading and writing raw sectors I believe. Either use samdisk or use Unix 'dd' command and dump the floppy to a binary file. Then 'ZIP' it, uu-encode it, and e-mail to John Sellens. This should work, I have e-mailed a bunch of Roland disk stuff to John Sellens (Atari, DOS, Windows, etc. with no hassle) Please let me know if you are still having problems uploading them, I will help, I want the O/S 1.15 and CD5 disks !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 27 11:59:17 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:59:13 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:55:57 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88170-1>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:53:39 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aloft.att.com Subject: Re: Uploading to the ftp site Message-Id: <93Sep27.115339edt.88170-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:53:29 -0400 Status: R | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 27 11:07:02 1993 | From: wbf@aloft.att.com | Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) | To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup | Subject: Uploading to the ftp site | | Do you have to turn permissions on and off | for uploading or can we upload to the incoming directory anytime? Yup - I turn the permissions on and off as and when appropriate. John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 28 14:39:43 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:39:34 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:35:26 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88159-1>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:35:13 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: new versions of S550 OS Message-Id: <93Sep28.143513edt.88159-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:35:10 -0400 Status: R Thanks to the uploading efforts of Savino Grillo, there is now a copy of the S550 1.15 Utilities disk and the S550 CD-5 1.00 disk, available for ftp on lotus.uwaterloo.ca in pub/sgroup/os. Thanks Savino! From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Sep 28 17:07:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 17:07:46 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 17:03:19 -0400 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA10221; Tue, 28 Sep 93 17:02:23 -0400 Received: from krfiny.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 170016.25010; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 17:00:16 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 28 Sep 93 16:28 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 28 Sep 93 16:33 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@uunet.UU.NET (UNIXMAN) Subject: CD5 or 1.15 O/S ?? To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 16:33:55 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Have the S-550 Utils 1.15 and CD5 O/S disks been uploaded/sent to lotus yet ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 27 15:44:31 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88190-1>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:44:21 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:38:45 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88184-1>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:38:34 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: bulk subscriptions to the sgroup mailing list?? Message-Id: <93Sep27.153834edt.88184-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 15:38:31 -0400 Status: RO I've just received a subscription request from a large BBS system, presumably wanting to act as a large redistribution point of the sgroup mailing list into their system. Any opinions on whether this is a good or bad thing to do? I'm just hoping to get a feel for what the sgroup-ies would like to see happen with their mailing list. Thanks! John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From MIT.EDU!wes Mon Sep 27 16:03:44 1993 Received: from MIT.EDU ([18.72.1.1]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-3>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:03:33 -0400 Received: from PODGE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02761; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:03:18 EDT From: wes@MIT.EDU Received: by podge.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA07074; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:03:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9309272003.AA07074@podge.MIT.EDU> To: "John M. Sellens" Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: bulk subscriptions to the sgroup mailing list?? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 27 Sep 93 15:38:31 -0400. <93Sep27.153834edt.88184-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:03:11 -0400 Status: RO I bought my S550 from Paul Boutin about two years ago and have been a (mostly) silent member of the group since then. In a few months, I plan to have gotten my life back together to the point where I can dust the thing off and start using it. In the last few years, though, reading the list has been very interesting, generally educational, and occasionally inspirational. (Thanks to all who assisted me in bringing my S550 back to life after I blew the fuse on the powersupply via incompatible mouse, by the way!) I think that distributing the list to a wide range of people is a super idea in the sense that more can benefit from the gestalt savvy here. BUT it would suck to lose the sense of community in favor of a hulking group of noisemakers. (Can't put it tactfully, I fear) ... Redistributing the list sounds super and scary all at once... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 27 16:42:57 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88193-1>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:42:52 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:42:46 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:37:10 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M2.1) id AA20689; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:31:39 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA18156; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:31:37 EDT Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:31:37 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9309272031.AA18156@rosalind> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: bulk subscriptions to the sgroup mailing list?? Status: RO > I've just received a subscription request from a large BBS system, > presumably wanting to act as a large redistribution point of the > sgroup mailing list into their system. I guess it depends upon what BBS system it is, their purpose, and interest in S- samplers. If they just want to eaves drop, why not? Will this BBS's membership add to sgroup or should you extend an invitation to interested members? Bill From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Sep 27 21:27:12 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88194-3>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:27:03 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Sep 93 21:26:55 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:20:47 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA13876 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:18:27 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA23731; Mon, 27 Sep 93 21:18:26 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA20242; Mon, 27 Sep 93 21:18:25 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9309280118.AA20242@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: bulk subscriptions to the sgroup mailing list?? (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:18:24 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1012 Status: RO > I've just received a subscription request from a large BBS system, > presumably wanting to act as a large redistribution point of the > sgroup mailing list into their system. > > Any opinions on whether this is a good or bad thing to do? I'm > just hoping to get a feel for what the sgroup-ies would like to see > happen with their mailing list. > > Thanks! > > John > jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca > Well, fine with me for I don't really care about the impact of my epistles. I write what I mean and I mean what I write :-) By the way, John. Any news from our librarian? He was supposed to quit his position and I would like to know if it's possible to dip in the library files (... here we go again!). Marc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc St-Jacques I'm doing my thesis! Honest! stjacque@ere.Umontreal.ca Why does no one believe me? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nli.com!nli.com!stan Tue Sep 28 05:40:40 1993 Received: from apple.com ([130.43.2.2]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 05:40:28 -0400 Received: by apple.com (5.61/19-Jul-1993-eef) id AA01476; Tue, 28 Sep 93 02:38:42 -0700 for Received: from nlp4.UUCP by nli.com (4.1/nli.com(V1.0)) id AA06050; Tue, 28 Sep 93 02:12:57 PDT Received: from nlp14.nli.com (nlp14.ARPA) by nlp4 (4.1/nli(V1.0)) id AA15078; Tue, 28 Sep 93 01:49:54 PDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:49:53 -0400 From: stan@nli.com (Stan Sawyer) Message-Id: <9309280849.AA15078@nlp4> To: jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: bulk subscriptions to the sgroup mailing list?? Status: RO Wow. Have we hit the BIG time? I would (of course) be very interested to know which "large BBS system" is interested in sgroup. I'm also curious to know what "large redistribution point" means. In general, I'd say that my reaction is positive...i.e., go for it....give them a subscription. stan@nli.com From CompuServe.COM!70531.2124 Wed Sep 29 02:38:55 1993 Received: from ihb.compuserve.com ([149.174.128.2]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 02:38:46 -0400 Received: by ihb.compuserve.com (5.67/5.930129sam) id AA12876; Wed, 29 Sep 93 02:38:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 22:14:04 -0400 From: dennis barton <70531.2124@CompuServe.COM> To: "\"John M. Sellens\"" Subject: bulk subscriptions to the sgroup Message-Id: <930929021404_70531.2124_FHH88-2@CompuServe.COM> Status: RO I have heard some rumours on Compuserve about them wanting the Sgroup list. I can't see any problems.. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Sep 29 16:50:46 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-3>; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:50:33 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:45:59 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88165-1>; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:45:45 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: bulk subscriptions to the sgroup mailing list?? Message-Id: <93Sep29.164545edt.88165-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:45:37 -0400 Status: R Since the consensus seemed to be that it was okay, I have added the redistribution point at Canada Remote Systems in Toronto to the sgroup mailing list. I have no idea how many people will be on the other end of that address, but welcome to the list. John Sellens Roland sgroup mailing list maintainer jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Sep 30 18:28:02 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-2>; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 18:27:53 -0400 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 18:23:12 -0400 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930526-09:20) id AA26254; Thu, 30 Sep 93 19:23:02 ADT Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930823-11:20) id AA23452; Thu, 30 Sep 93 19:22:59 ADT Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 18:19:51 -0400 From: scott dhomas trenn - Scott Wilkie Subject: CD ROM v1.02 To: SGroup Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO I anxiously downloaded the supposedly NEW OS and UTILITY disks for the S550. Unfortunatly, they are far from new... the CDROM latest is v1.02 from 1991 not the v1.00 from 1988... and v1.15 of the other OS and utilities are the latest but have been around a long time, as well. Just incase anyone thought these are new, they are not. **************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: wilkie@jupiter.sun.csd.ca * ** ** ****************************************************************************