From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 2 05:27:30 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Mon, 2 Aug 1993 05:27:28 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 2 Aug 93 05:27:25 -0400 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 2 Aug 1993 05:23:29 -0400 Received: from (uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu) by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA13189; Sun, 1 Aug 93 23:23:15 HST Received: by (4.1/uhunix3) id AA15914; Sun, 1 Aug 93 23:23:14 HST Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 05:23:11 -0400 From: Jon Ciliberto Subject: ["John M. Sellens" : Re: library] To: sgroup@lotus Message-Id: Status: RO Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88150-2>; Sun, 25 Jul 1993 16:11:26 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Subject: Re: library Message-Id: <93Jul25.161126edt.88150-2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1993 16:11:20 -0400 | From uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!jciliber Sun Jul 25 04:28:52 1993 | From: Jon Ciliberto | To: "John M. Sellens" | Subject: Re: library | | > | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Jul 24 09:14:23 1993 | > | From: Jon Ciliberto | > | To: sgroup@lotus | > | Subject: library | > | | > | there's this great list of sound disks at the uwaterloo site (i.e., a great | > | LIST of sound disks, not the disk files themselves); can the onerous send | > | disks trough mail process be subverted (especially as the list is moderator | > | less at present (is this true?)) by uploading, say, one samdisk file per week | > | to the site for downloading me all who care to (a la flemming's recent 909 | > | upload)? would this cause a traffic disaster? | > | | > | > I'd be happy to accept just about anything from the sgroup disk | > collection that anyone would like to send me ... | > | | does anyone out there have any of the ROLAND R8 disks? E.g., | | gfd..Roland R8..Ethnic set | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | gfd..Roland R8..Electronic set | | (as listed in the Library-list at the site) | | or the synclavier tabla samples? Most of the drum machine disks listed in the | Library-list file interest me, and I would download immediately. Unfortunately, | the only drum machine i could offer (in addition to those already listed) would | be the very silly Korg Super Drums (analog, lo fidelity, only snare, bass, hi | hats, click, cymbal and two toms -- a quaint early drum machine set). | | | ........................................................................... | Jon Ciliberto . jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu | Graduate Assistant . (808) 956-9704 | SHAPS Publications Office . Moore 223 | You sent this only to me. Did you mean to send it to the sgroup mailing list instead?? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 3 08:17:41 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-1>; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 08:17:35 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 08:12:28 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA13454; Tue, 3 Aug 93 05:12:02 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13339; Tue, 3 Aug 93 05:11:43 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA00762; Tue, 3 Aug 93 13:10:48 GMT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 09:10:48 -0400 From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Message-Id: <9308031310.AA00762@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: nic@nms.otc.com.au, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sampler survey results Status: RO Hi, I`m back from holydays, and didn't post to the survey before, so I'll do it now. Computer : Amiga Sampler : S50 Software : Music-X Location : Ivrea, Italy Best Regards, Ivan Borzieri From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 3 23:04:18 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 23:04:10 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 3 Aug 93 23:04:01 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 23:00:23 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA13253 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Tue, 3 Aug 1993 22:58:54 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA02791; Tue, 3 Aug 93 22:58:53 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA17484; Tue, 3 Aug 93 22:58:52 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308040258.AA17484@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: SampleVision To: sgroup@lotus (sgroup ) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 22:58:52 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 720 Status: R Hi guys! Nic and I have been talking lately about exchanging samples between s50 and S770 formats. SampleVision was a possibility but as we investigated, Nic came out with this ... [Quoting Nic Grant] > Just got some mail back from Turtle Beach. Apparently SampleVision does > not support S750/770 samplers as Roland wouldn't lend them a sampler to > write drivers for. This means that SampleVision would be of little use > to me and that I can't convert any of my samples to any other format. Does anyone have any solutions as to translate such format in order to make exchanges ... thru any other programs from a Mac or Atari and with samdisk utility (Hello, ping-pong?) Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 3 23:29:41 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-3>; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 23:29:31 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 3 Aug 93 23:29:21 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 23:25:19 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA13359 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Tue, 3 Aug 1993 23:23:49 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA06979; Tue, 3 Aug 93 23:23:48 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA18160; Tue, 3 Aug 93 23:23:47 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308040323.AA18160@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Apologies!!!! To: sgroup@lotus (sgroup ) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 23:23:47 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 301 Status: R > Nic told me that there's at least one female sgroup subscriber. Oh my gosh! I'm usually VERY careful with this, especially in my Faculty. Oh well! Apologies ... to all the female sgroup subscribers :-) (with such faux-pas, no wonder I'm still single :-/ ). Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 4 11:12:33 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:12:20 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:07:39 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-040293) id AA01544; Wed, 4 Aug 93 11:02:27 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA00306; Wed, 4 Aug 93 11:02:23 EDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:02:23 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9308041502.AA00306@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Apologies!!! --> Why? Status: R Marc said: > Nic told me that there's at least one female sgroup subscriber. My closest friends in life have mostly been artistic or musical, some of whom are down right talented. When looking for relationships, though, there have been pitifly few females into music, much less music technology. Makes it hard to find companions with common ground as I'm rather one sided - i.e. my life tends to revolve around musical activities when I'm not at work earning a living. Since this isn't a sampler topic, please excuse the use of bandwidth here on sgroup. But I would like to hear from the sgroup's female member(s) (send directly to wbf@aloft.att.com) if you have any insights you'd be willing to share as to why the music field is so lopsided with males. Thanks. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 4 11:23:35 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:23:18 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:19:10 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA10721 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:18:47 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 93 11:19 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 93 11:12 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 93 11:18 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: sox7.zip file To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:17:59 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Hi sgroup, I sent John Sellens the complete "SOX" sample file converter program with C source code for DOS on PC's. Actually, it can and could be compiled to run on UNIX machines as well. It is in /pub/sgroup/utilities as far as I know. If anyone gets ambitious and deciphers any new sample data file formats, please let us all know !! Also, I got a copy of M. St. Jacque's recently uploaded sample disk with synth sounds and I think they are great. What synths/CD? were used to create those sounds ? If anyone has any more analog synth samples or PPG/Synclavier/Fairlight samples, please let me or sgroup know !!. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 4 13:20:39 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-2>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 13:20:18 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 13:16:35 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA13976 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Wed, 4 Aug 1993 13:16:20 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 93 13:16 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: samplevision stuff To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 13:16:02 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Hi sgroup, I just sent a DOS VGA demo of SampleVision sample editor program to J.M. Sellens and some free SampleVision raw 8.12.16 bit sample data file converter programs. They convert raw sample data files from any machine (SoundBlaster, etc.) to SampleVision .SMP format on a PC which can then be sent (within SampleVision) to any Roland S-series 12 bit sampler via MIDI. These programs were free on Turtle Beach Systems BBS, and are not illegal copies of copyright material. The SampleVision demo is just allright, I don't think it gives a complete example of all the cool things you can do with the program. But it should give any one who is interested the basic idea of what it is like. I just would like to find a way or ways to get to convert and load sample libraries for other brands of commercial samplers to our Roland machines. I have the source code to the EMAX user's group equivalent of samdisk and have access to their 'samdisk' sample disks. Also the same goes for the Kurzweil K2000 user's group ftp site. They have a humongous library of cool samples on-line, I just wish I could get the format of the data to convert to raw data files or something. Anyone else out there doing this kind of thing ?? -- --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 4 14:45:21 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-3>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 14:45:15 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 4 Aug 93 14:45:01 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 14:41:30 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88172-3>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 14:41:07 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: davidw@krf.com, sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: samplevision stuff Message-Id: <93Aug4.144107edt.88172-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 14:41:06 -0400 Status: R | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 4 13:20:39 1993 | From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) | Subject: samplevision stuff | To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) | | Hi sgroup, | | I just sent a DOS VGA demo of SampleVision sample editor | program to J.M. Sellens and some free SampleVision raw 8.12.16 bit | sample data file converter programs. Now in lotus.uwaterloo.ca in pub/sgroup/utilities/samplevision. Thanks David! From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 4 17:54:43 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 17:54:36 -0400 Received: from shiva.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.20.34]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 17:49:43 -0400 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by shiva.trl.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA11816 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 5 Aug 1993 07:49:18 +1000 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.1) id AA10468; Wed, 4 Aug 93 21:47:18 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA29699; Wed, 4 Aug 93 21:49:13 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA19206; Wed, 4 Aug 93 21:49:12 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20940; Thu, 5 Aug 93 07:50:05 AES Message-Id: <9308042150.AA20940@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: S50 samples To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 03:50:04 -0400 From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) Return-Path: nic@nms.otc.com.au X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j}; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 21:55:00 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 21:51:07 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA26510 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Wed, 4 Aug 1993 21:49:43 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA22586; Wed, 4 Aug 93 21:49:41 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA03448; Wed, 4 Aug 93 21:49:41 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308050149.AA03448@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Thanks! To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 21:49:40 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 815 Status: R [Quoting David Wilson] > Also, I got a copy of > M. St. Jacque's recently uploaded sample disk with synth sounds and I > think they are great. What synths/CD? were used to create those sounds ? Thanks for the rating. No CD's were used. Tuyau3 was actually recorded from a mic into the washing machine's pipe and I flushed the toilet :-) The other sounds were created from various analog or digital synths: Roland Jupiter 6, Korg Poly Six, Roland D-110. Which do you like best? > If anyone has any more analog synth samples or PPG/Synclavier/Fairlight > samples, please let me or sgroup know !!. In the Roland S-50 Library, there is a couple of sounds recorded from the Synclavier. If you don't have it, I can send it to you ... or maybe send it public via John Sellens! Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 5 10:00:05 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 09:59:54 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 09:59:49 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 09:56:35 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 09:58 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 09:52 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 09:57 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: SOX & SampleVision Works! To: sgroup@lotus (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 09:57:43 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Hi sgroup, Well, I have gotten SOX to convert Amiga .iff and raw 8 bit samples to SampleVision format successfully. SOX has a pretty complex and ugly command-line syntax and it may take some time for anyone to get used to but after a while it all makes sense. I have downloaded a ton of Amiga samples and raw 8 bit samples from the Internet (there are a lot of samples out there, try nic.funet.fi). For example, to convert most of the raw 8 bit samples to SampleVision format I would use this command line: sox -V -r16000 -b -s -traw sample.raw -r30000 newsample.smp This takes a raw 8 bit sample file at rate of 16K hertz, b for data in bytes, s for signed, t for type raw, and then converts it to a new SampleVision .smp type file at a new sampling rate of 30K hertz. Then, once I load it into SampleVision, I can tweak the hell out of it, Digital EQ, Digital Distortion, CrossFade Loop, Re-Draw, etc. then upload into my S-550. It is awesome !! The samples sound good, well decent if the original is somewhat clean. But then, I am into Industrial/Electronic sounds so I like grungy samples. Also, SampleVision has the ability to tell the S-550 to play whatever notes you tell it to on the S-550 (SampleVision has a little scratch sequencer and graphical keyboard page). So, you can monitor the sample you are editing on the PC through the SoundBlaster, and then hear how it sounds immediately on the S-550 !! This whole SOX & SampleVision business can effectively give me practically ANY sample I want from almost any source. There could be one hell of an S-series library by using this stuff. By the way, does anyone know how to get onto the Ensoniq EPS sampler group ftp site at nextweek.reed.edu ? Whenever I try to log on, I get service failed or I don't know user name to use to log in/ftp in. User ftp, guest, or anonymous don't seem to work. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 5 10:11:11 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:11:03 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:07:43 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:10 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:03 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:09 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: s50 samples To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:08:59 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Nic Grant wants to get s-550 versions of some s-50 disks on the sgroup ftp site. My idea is I think you can pop an s-50 disk into an s-550 or s-770 and do the "Save System" command and save the S-550 operating system onto the s-50 disk. Does this do the same thing as the "Convert to S-550" system utility on the S-550 for converting S-50 disks to S-550 ?? I know that the patch data section on the disk for S-50's is probably different than the patch data section on an S-550 disk, because of the extra TVA and TVF filter settings saved on S-550, etc. I think that it would be worth a try just to see what it does, and if you can do it. Just make sure you have a backup of the disk you are experimenting with !! -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 5 10:17:25 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:17:19 -0400 Received: from chx400.switch.ch ([130.59.1.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:14:10 -0400 X400-Received: by mta chx400.switch.ch in /PRMD=switch/ADMD=arcom/C=CH/; Relayed; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 16:13:11 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=switch/ADMD=arCom/C=ch/; Relayed; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 16:12:59 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=SWITCH/ADMD=ARCOM/C=CH/; Relayed; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 16:12:58 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:12:58 -0400 X400-Originator: malloth@lsesun4.epfl.ch X400-Recipients: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.CA X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=SWITCH/ADMD=ARCOM/C=CH/;<9308051412.AA15009@lsesun4.epfl] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Re: SOX & Sam... From: " (Christoph MALLOTH)" Message-ID: <9308051412.AA15009@lsesun4.epfl.ch> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.CA Subject: Re: SOX & SampleVision Works! Status: R Hi sgroup members, > David J. Wilson writes: [stuff deleted] > CrossFade Loop, Re-Draw, etc. then upload into my S-550. It is awesome !! [stuff deleted] Have anybody already tried to download from SampleVision to an S-50 or is there a download feature on the S-550 not included in the S-50. Thanks for all responses ... Chris ---------------------------------------- Christoph P. Malloth Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Computer Science Departement Computer Systems Laboratory CH - 1015 Lausanne (Switzerland) e-mail: malloth@lse.epfl.ch ---------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 5 10:32:49 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:32:41 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:32:36 -0400 Received: from hyena.cs.UMD.EDU ([128.8.128.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:29:08 -0400 Received: by hyena.cs.UMD.EDU (5.64/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AA17701; Thu, 5 Aug 93 10:28:59 -0400 From: humphrie@cs.UMD.EDU (Jim Humphries) Message-Id: <9308051428.AA17701@hyena.cs.UMD.EDU> Subject: Atari people and samples To: sgroup@lotus Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 10:28:58 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R So are Atari users screwed when it comes to this uploading/downloading samples from FTP? jim humphrie@cs.umd.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 5 11:10:16 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 11:10:10 -0400 Received: from amway.ch.apollo.hp.com ([15.254.24.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 11:06:33 -0400 Received: from clue.ch.apollo.hp.com by amway.ch.apollo.hp.com id Thu, 5 Aug 93 11:05:54 EDT Received: by showroom.ch.apollo.hp.com id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 11:05:52 -0400 From: patmc@apollo.hp.com Subject: Re: Atari people and samples To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.CA Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 11:05:52 -0400 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Message-Id: <93Aug5.110633edt.42@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Hello, > So are Atari users screwed when it comes to this uploading/downloading >samples from FTP? I ported samdisk to Atari and sent modified sources to the author. I don't know what he did with them. I still the Atari sources and binaries if anyone wants them. Pat McElhatton From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 5 14:17:51 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 14:17:43 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 14:12:21 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 11:10 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 11:04 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 93 11:09 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: Atari? S-50 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 11:09:53 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Regarding Jim's question concerning Atari people being screwed with uploading/downloading samples via ftp. I'm not sure what you mean, if you mean can you run SOX/SampleVision on Ataris the answer is SOX = yes SampleVision = no, but you can get Digidesign SDII or Alchemy or Avalon sample editors for the Atari which are pretty darn cool themselves. Atari's own sample data formats are handled by SOX and could be then loaded into an S-series sampler via a sample editor program that could handle that data format. Still, I'm not quite sure what you meant by Atari users being screwed. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 6 10:16:19 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Fri, 6 Aug 1993 10:16:16 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Aug 93 10:16:09 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 6 Aug 1993 10:04:44 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA16050 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Fri, 6 Aug 1993 10:03:06 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA28755; Fri, 6 Aug 93 10:03:05 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA21238; Fri, 6 Aug 93 10:03:04 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308061403.AA21238@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: s50 samples To: sgroup@lotus (sgroup ) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 10:03:03 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 848 Status: R [Quoting David Wilson] > Nic Grant wants to get s-550 versions of some s-50 disks on the sgroup > ftp site. My idea is I think you can pop an s-50 disk into an s-550 or > s-770 and do the "Save System" command and save the S-550 operating system > onto the s-50 disk. Does this do the same thing as the "Convert to S-550" > system utility on the S-550 for converting S-50 disks to S-550 ?? I know > that the patch data section on the disk for S-50's is probably different > than the patch data section on an S-550 disk, because of the extra TVA and > TVF filter settings saved on S-550, etc. I think that it would be worth a try > just to see what it does, and if you can do it. Just make sure you have a > backup of the disk you are experimenting with !! > How about Vice-Vera, i.e. 550 or 770 to s50? Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 6 10:27:46 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-1>; Fri, 6 Aug 1993 10:27:42 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Aug 93 10:27:33 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Fri, 6 Aug 1993 10:16:07 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA16163 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Fri, 6 Aug 1993 10:09:48 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA29639; Fri, 6 Aug 93 10:09:48 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA21546; Fri, 6 Aug 93 10:09:47 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308061409.AA21546@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: SOX & SampleVision Works! (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus (sgroup ) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 10:09:46 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 288 Status: R [Quoting Chris Malloth] > > Have anybody already tried to download from SampleVision to an S-50 or > is there a download feature on the S-550 not included in the S-50. > Download from sample vision to SV is a breeze for me. Do you have problem? Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) > From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 6 14:19:10 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88175-2>; Fri, 6 Aug 1993 14:19:03 -0400 Received: from amway.ch.apollo.hp.com ([15.254.24.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <171>; Fri, 6 Aug 1993 14:15:18 -0400 Received: from clue.ch.apollo.hp.com by amway.ch.apollo.hp.com id Fri, 6 Aug 93 14:12:08 EDT Received: by showroom.ch.apollo.hp.com id ; Fri, 6 Aug 93 14:12:07 -0400 From: patmc@apollo.hp.com Subject: Atari version of samdisk To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1993 14:12:07 -0400 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Message-Id: <93Aug6.141518edt.171@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Hi, A few people have requested the Atari version of samdisk, and Pete Lyall gave approval for distributing the modified sources. Can I put them on lotus.uwaterloo, and if so where? Thanks, Pat McElhatton From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Aug 7 14:43:04 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Sat, 7 Aug 1993 14:42:59 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <172>; Sat, 7 Aug 1993 14:38:34 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA26322 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Sat, 7 Aug 1993 14:36:58 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA16711; Sat, 7 Aug 93 14:36:57 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA25449; Sat, 7 Aug 93 14:36:56 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308071836.AA25449@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: File format, help! To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 14:36:55 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 568 Status: R Hi sgroup people. Can someone tell me a good syntax operation for SOX in order to convert .smp files to .wav or .voc. Someone gave us a good command for the opposite lately but heh! Those .voc or .wav files aren't so hot to start with and the final product (the .smp files) renders an anoying regular click as if converting from 8 to 12 (? or 16 for my S50?) bits creates these problems. And after that, I going to ask questions about file formats in general. Can someone give me a FAQ list before I annoy everyone with this? Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Aug 7 23:18:54 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-2>; Sat, 7 Aug 1993 23:18:47 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sat, 7 Aug 93 23:18:34 -0400 Received: from shiva.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.20.34]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <172>; Sat, 7 Aug 1993 23:15:27 -0400 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by shiva.trl.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA01355 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 8 Aug 1993 13:15:11 +1000 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.1) id AA10046; Sun, 8 Aug 93 03:13:07 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA06960; Sun, 8 Aug 93 03:14:54 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA28362; Sun, 8 Aug 93 03:14:45 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28984; Sun, 8 Aug 93 13:15:41 AES Message-Id: <9308080315.AA28984@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: Statistics and Directory To: sgroup@lotus (Roland Samplers) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 09:15:41 -0400 From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) Return-Path: nic@nms.otc.com.au X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j}; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 06:58:16 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 9 Aug 93 06:58:12 -0400 Received: from vehka ([153.1.54.129]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 06:52:02 -0400 Received: by vehka; id AA05363; Mon, 9 Aug 93 13:38:05 +0300 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 06:38:05 -0400 From: helin@vehka.cs.uta.fi (Mikko Helin) Message-Id: <9308091038.AA05363@vehka> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: SOX & SampleVision Works! (& EPS site too) Status: R >Hi sgroup, >By the way, does anyone know how to get onto the Ensoniq EPS sampler group >ftp site at nextweek.reed.edu ? Whenever I try to log on, I get service >failed or I don't know user name to use to log in/ftp in. User ftp, guest, >or anonymous don't seem to work. EPS ftp site is now at ftp.reed.edu ( /eps subdirectory ). Use login name anonymous and give your email address as password. BTW, does anybody know how to convert samples between Roland and Ensoniq formats? > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. > 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 >UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 > internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw > HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mikko A. O. Helin From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 9 10:31:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 10:31:50 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 10:25:36 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-040293) id AA05635; Mon, 9 Aug 93 10:19:49 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA01960; Mon, 9 Aug 93 10:19:46 EDT Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 10:19:46 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9308091419.AA01960@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Conversion in Progress Status: R Nic Grant asked: > Is there anyone on the group who would be willing to convert Marc's highly > rated samples to s550 format and send that to John to put with the s50 > version? I did it over the weekend but I wanted to tweak it a little. I tuned up KILLBASS and made two different patches using it. (Marc's original disk only supplies tones.) Before I upload it, I'd like to do a little more tweaking. Can you stand the wait? Overall, these are very attractive sounds. BTW, for P11, I used KILLBASS as is, but for P12, I added some filter mod and resonance, yummie! Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 9 17:20:09 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:19:55 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <174>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:16:34 -0400 Received: from tinton.ccur.com (via tinton.tinton.ccur.com) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA05359; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:16:17 -0400 Received: from cantor by tinton.tinton.ccur.com SMTP/TCP Channel id aa14402; 9 Aug 93 17:15 EDT Subject: Roland's "open" system :-( To: Roland Sampler SIG Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:14:47 -0400 From: Keith O McConnell X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9308091714.aa03085@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Status: RO When I bought my S-550 "oh so many years ago" I was sold on the fact that this was supposed to be an "open" system (i.e. most things were to be done in software). This meant that all that was required was a new OS to take advantage of new technology. It seems to me that Roland has taken a "closed" approach to their "open" system. Why: 1) I'm hearing a lot of people discuss using external programs to convert sample formats. Couldn't the Roland system software be upgraded to automatically do this? If the K2000 can read Roland and Ensonic samples, why can't the S-550 do the same? 2) Roland appears to have a funny disk format. Why can't they standardize this and go with a DOS (or Mac??) formatted disk? It seems this would make everyones life simpler. 3) When was the last upgrade of the system software? How long has system 1.13 been around? Has Roland abandoned support for the S-550? -- /=======================================================================\ | Keith McConnell | | Compilers and Tools Group ________ | | Oceanport, NJ / _____/__ | | /__/____/ / | | e-mail: kom@tinton.ccur.com Concurrent /_______/ | | Voice: (908) 870-4983 Computer Corporation | \=======================================================================/ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 9 17:41:10 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88150-2>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:41:01 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 9 Aug 93 17:40:49 -0400 Received: from kruuna.helsinki.fi ([128.214.4.112]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <175>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:37:45 -0400 Received: from plootu.Helsinki.FI by kruuna.helsinki.fi with SMTP id AA16033 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 10 Aug 1993 00:37:33 +0300 Received: by plootu.helsinki.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18417; Tue, 10 Aug 93 00:37:33 +0300 From: tykkala@cc.helsinki.fi (Kimmo J. Tykkala) Message-Id: <9308092137.AA18417@plootu.helsinki.fi> Subject: Re: Roland's "open" system :-( To: sgroup@lotus Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 17:37:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1016 Status: RO > Why: > > 1) I'm hearing a lot of people discuss using external programs to convert > sample formats. Couldn't the Roland system software be upgraded to > automatically do this? If the K2000 can read Roland and Ensonic > samples, why can't the S-550 do the same? Maybe the reason is, that the S550 is very slow and it doesn't have much memory. And converting samples needs both speed and room. > 2) Roland appears to have a funny disk format. Why can't they standardize > this and go with a DOS (or Mac??) formatted disk? It seems this > would make everyones life simpler. Nope, the format is same as in PC and Atari, but the file system is different. (Okey, with dos you usually format diskettes and write the file system same time, but this doesnt mean you had to do like this in every system.) For example with a Linux you can read and write Roland disk images without any converting program. -- It must be true, I have read it from someone's signature. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 9 18:46:34 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88174-3>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 18:46:23 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 9 Aug 93 18:46:17 -0400 Received: from gsusgi2.gsu.edu ([131.96.1.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <176>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 18:43:12 -0400 Received: by gsusgi2.gsu.edu (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca id AA14336; Mon, 9 Aug 93 18:46:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 18:42:14 -0400 From: Roth Ritter Subject: Re: Roland's "open" system :-( To: Keith O McConnell Cc: Roland Sampler SIG In-Reply-To: <9308091714.aa03085@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Not just the S-550, but the entire S series as well as the W-30.. all seemingly abandoned. I've sent letters repeatedly to Roland asking them to explain the lack of support and never got an answer. It really sucks, but then Roland apparently doesn't give a damn. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Roth Ritter :: :: >> artcrrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu << :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Georgia State University Art & Music :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: On Mon, 9 Aug 1993, Keith O McConnell wrote: > When I bought my S-550 "oh so many years ago" I was sold on the fact that > this was supposed to be an "open" system (i.e. most things were to be > done in software). This meant that all that was required was a new OS > to take advantage of new technology. It seems to me that Roland has > taken a "closed" approach to their "open" system. > > Why: > > 1) I'm hearing a lot of people discuss using external programs to convert > sample formats. Couldn't the Roland system software be upgraded to > automatically do this? If the K2000 can read Roland and Ensonic > samples, why can't the S-550 do the same? > > 2) Roland appears to have a funny disk format. Why can't they standardize > this and go with a DOS (or Mac??) formatted disk? It seems this > would make everyones life simpler. > > 3) When was the last upgrade of the system software? How long has > system 1.13 been around? Has Roland abandoned support for the > S-550? > > -- > /=======================================================================\ > | Keith McConnell | > | Compilers and Tools Group ________ | > | Oceanport, NJ / _____/__ | > | /__/____/ / | > | e-mail: kom@tinton.ccur.com Concurrent /_______/ | > | Voice: (908) 870-4983 Computer Corporation | > \=======================================================================/ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 9 19:13:53 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-3>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 19:13:45 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 9 Aug 93 19:13:32 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 19:10:28 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA15860 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Mon, 9 Aug 1993 19:08:49 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA07977; Mon, 9 Aug 93 19:08:48 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA08589; Mon, 9 Aug 93 19:08:47 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308092308.AA08589@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Test, please respond To: sgroup@lotus (sgroup ) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 19:08:46 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 372 Status: R I'm starting to have doubts in the sgroup mailing system. I've sent several messages and responded publicly to others and I either get no response or other replies don't seem to take care of what I'm saying. I don't want to feel narcissic, just heard. Sooooo! Please respond to me (most of you) just to know If my messages get thru. Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 9 15:15:58 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 15:15:48 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <173>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 15:12:15 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:35 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:28 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 93 14:33 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: EPS samples, etc. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 14:33:58 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO I just downloaded most of the 'samdisk' type DOS programs from the EPS user group ftp site at ftp.reed.edu (thanks to those who told me the new correct host name to use). There is a wealth of samples there and a program to convert from Amiga .AIFF format and EPS format. I haven't figured out yet if it can convert EPS to .AIFF yet. If so, these samples could then be converted and loaded into Roland samplers via SOX and SampleVision. I have still been SOX converting Amiga samples into .SMP and loading into S-550, it is working quite well. Due to the fact that the samples were originally sampled on old grungy Amiga A/D's, the samples are not, shall we say, the highest of fi, but do make for some interesting additions to my S-550 library. There is another program that I got from the EPS ftp site that breaks up an EPS sample disk into the raw wave header and raw wave data of the samples into individual DOS files. It says it puts them into 16-bit signed Motorola format, then there is a second program to convert that raw file into 16-bit signed Intel format (ugly Intel byte ordering) for use with any PC type soundcard, ( or for converting into .SMP files via SOX, heh, heh, heh ... ) I want raw bytes !! If anyone wants these programs they are at ftp.reed.edu in /eps or e-mail me. Regarding the postings concerning modifying M. St.Jacques sample disk sounds, I found that a couple of the sounds loops were improved further in SampleVision. I liked the "Eno"-type sounds the best, it would seem M. St. Jacques has a few killer synths, If you feel like sampling a few more of those patches ! ... hint, hint It seems the e-mail traffic on the EPS sampler group is much higher than on the Roland group, I hope this doesn't mean people are selling their S-series and going to other brands or whatever. I still think the S-550 and others is a powerful machine. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 10 16:03:07 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88150-2>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:03:02 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Aug 93 16:02:51 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 15:58:29 -0400 Received: from CIN_ES_MS_L.CIN_ES_CP10.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <12960>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 12:58:03 PDT X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0000AA00077886103029 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 15:57:38 -0400 From: Donald_C._Tycholis.ESCP10@xerox.com Subject: Re: Roland's "open" system :-( In-Reply-To: <9308091714.aa03085@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> To: kom@tinton.ccur.com Cc: sgroup@lotus Message-Id: <"10-Aug-93 12:57:29".*.Donald_C._Tycholis.ESCP10@Xerox.com> Status: R I agree. The promise of an "open, upgradable architecture" is what sold me on the S-550. It was dishonest marketing hype, pure and simple. There has never been an upgrade of the software, just bug-fix releases. And no hardware upgrades except the (expensive) SCSI disk controller. (am I right, or have I been in the woods too long?) My disappointment with the shabby treatment of the S-550 customers is why I`m reluctant to purchase any Roland equipment. I`m not sure what claims to believe. (Ok they did send a complimentary copy of the Roland Music CD, but that was really advertisement that probably did not cost a lot more than the video-taped ads sent me by Lexus, Infiniti, etc.). Sigh, at least it sounds great! Don From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Aug 7 15:23:46 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Sat, 7 Aug 1993 15:23:33 -0400 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com ([192.100.81.108]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <172>; Sat, 7 Aug 1993 15:20:25 -0400 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA22877; Sat, 7 Aug 93 12:21:09 -0700 From: filmuse@netcom.com (Jim Norman) Message-Id: <9308071921.AA22877@netcom2.netcom.com> Subject: Joining Sgroup To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1993 15:21:09 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Hi there, I've been trying to find you guys for some time. I lost the address information about Sgroup. Please add me to your subscription list. I work for RolaRoland as their Sampler Product Specialist. If I can be of any help let me know.I'm very interested in your group, and I'll pass along to other Roland sampler owners about your existance. I get lots of calls from S550, S50, W30, and other Sampler owners. If you want to talk with me by phone you can call me directly at Roland (213) 685-5141 ext 770. Jim Norman -- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 9 13:49:27 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88150-2>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 13:49:15 -0400 Received: from ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <171>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 13:46:00 -0400 Received: from bonnie.ics.uci.edu by q2.ics.uci.edu id aa17463; 9 Aug 93 10:42 PDT Received: from bonnie.ics.uci.edu by Bonnie.ics.uci.edu id aa27745; 9 Aug 93 10:42 PDT To: Mikko Helin cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: SOX & SampleVision Works! (& EPS site too) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Aug 1993 06:38:05 EDT." <9308091038.AA05363@vehka> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 13:42:35 -0400 From: " Ciaran M. Foley " Message-ID: <9308091042.aa27745@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> Status: RO > >>Hi sgroup, > >>By the way, does anyone know how to get onto the Ensoniq EPS sampler group >>ftp site at nextweek.reed.edu ? Whenever I try to log on, I get service >>failed or I don't know user name to use to log in/ftp in. User ftp, guest, >>or anonymous don't seem to work. > >EPS ftp site is now at ftp.reed.edu ( /eps subdirectory ). Use login name >anonymous and give your email address as password. > >BTW, does anybody know how to convert samples between Roland and Ensoniq >formats? > Hi everyone! Just a quick, dumb question. I have a Kurzweil K2000 that, soon, will be able to read EPS samples (gasp!). Are all of the samples in EPS format in MSDOS? How do I get them on a floppy to read from the K2000? Thanks! Ciaran From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 9 23:42:57 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88150-2>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 23:42:51 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 9 Aug 93 23:42:47 -0400 Received: from ads.com ([128.229.30.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 9 Aug 1993 23:39:33 -0400 Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA24428; Mon, 9 Aug 93 20:42:39 -0700 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA14270; Mon, 9 Aug 93 20:36:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 23:36:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9308100336.AA14270@deimos.ads.com> To: kom@tinton.ccur.com Subject: Re: Roland's "open" system :-( Cc: sgroup@lotus Status: RO > Roland has taken a "closed" approach to their "open" system. > > Why: > > 1) Couldn't the Roland system software be upgraded to > automatically do this? I have no doubt there are people out there who could hack the code into something really cool > > 2) Roland appears to have a funny disk format. Why can't > they standardize this and go with a DOS (or Mac??) Same as 1) > > 3) When was the last upgrade of the system software? How > long has system 1.13 been around? Has Roland abandoned > support for the S-550? Yes. I think Roland's target market is the type that can afford to upgrade every year to the new model. Too bad they couldn't allow someone to take over development of their older stuff. I wish the S-550 could get one of those RAM upgrades like PA-decoder advertised for the W-30. It takes the sampler to 5mb RAM. Unfortunately the only S-550 upgrade I know of is the SCSI interface that allows you to read a 44mb cart - but loading time is still old SCSI speed - 15 sec. for one bank. It's okay, though. I've learned that hardware can't limit creativity. It just takes more effort to bring it out. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 10 00:13:35 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88150-2>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 00:13:28 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Aug 93 00:13:21 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 00:10:04 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA18208 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Tue, 10 Aug 1993 00:08:26 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA24094; Tue, 10 Aug 93 00:08:25 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA23515; Tue, 10 Aug 93 00:08:24 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308100408.AA23515@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Thanks everybody! To: sgroup@lotus (sgroup ) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 00:08:23 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 273 Status: RO Thanks everyone! Hum! Everything seems to be working fine. Sorry for using bandwidth like this! Maybe I was just selfish :-) I've tried to respond to everyone that sent me mail. If I forgot someone, sorry ... or check your E-mail :-) Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 10 16:18:30 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:18:24 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:15:21 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88107-1>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:15:05 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Joining Sgroup Message-Id: <93Aug10.161505edt.88107-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 16:14:51 -0400 Status: R | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Aug 7 15:23:46 1993 | From: filmuse@netcom.com (Jim Norman) | Subject: Joining Sgroup | To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca | | Hi there, I've been trying to find you guys for some time. I lost the | address information about Sgroup. Please add me to your subscription | list. I work for Roland as their Sampler Product Specialist. If I | can be of any help let me know.I'm very interested in your group, and | I'll pass along to other Roland sampler owners about your existance. I | get lots of calls from S550, S50, W30, and other Sampler owners. If you | want to talk with me by phone you can call me directly at Roland (213) | 685-5141 ext 770. | | Jim Norman Welcome to the list Jim, and prepare to be questioned! :-) John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 10 17:07:05 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 17:06:52 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 17:02:27 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88107-2>; Tue, 10 Aug 1993 17:02:21 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Atari samdisk binaries, sources and docs Message-Id: <93Aug10.170221edt.88107-2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 17:02:09 -0400 Status: R I just added this to lotus.uwaterloo.ca for FTP: | From apollo.hp.com!patmc Mon Aug 9 12:33:27 1993 | From: patmc@apollo.hp.com | Subject: Atari samdisk binaries, sources and docs | | Hello, | | Here is the Atari version of samdisk. Let me know if there is a | problem with them. This is a uuencoded tar file, if you can't use | the tar format let me know and I can put it in zoo format. | | Pat McElhatton Thanks Pat! John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 11 00:53:28 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 00:53:26 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 00:53:24 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 00:49:28 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA04736 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Wed, 11 Aug 1993 00:47:17 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA19973; Wed, 11 Aug 93 00:47:16 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA24324; Wed, 11 Aug 93 00:47:15 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308110447.AA24324@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Emergency! To: sgroup@lotus (sgroup ) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 00:47:14 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 280 Status: R People! For the second time, I request to the group the possibility to have a particular information. What is the EPS ftp site adress? I'm having a Sampling Party with an EPS owner. TODAY. No promises though. Just enlarging possibilities. Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 11 09:02:23 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 09:02:13 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 08:58:26 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-040293) id AA24319; Wed, 11 Aug 93 08:46:51 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA02761; Wed, 11 Aug 93 08:46:48 EDT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 08:46:48 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9308111246.AA02761@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup, ere.umontreal.ca!stjacque, wbf Subject: EPS FTP Site Status: R Marc St. Jacque asked: > What is the EPS ftp site adress? I'm having a Sampling Party with an EPS > owner. TODAY. No promises though. Just enlarging possibilities. Mikko A. O. Helin previously posted what I hope will answer your plea. Since you seem to be experiencing difficulties recieving mail, I'm sending this directly and via sgroup in hopes you get this in a timely manner. Bill Fox ========================================== > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1993 06:38:05 -0400 > From: helin@vehka.cs.uta.fi (Mikko Helin) > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > Subject: Re: SOX & SampleVision Works! (& EPS site too) > > David J. Wilson asked: > >By the way, does anyone know how to get onto the Ensoniq EPS sampler group > >ftp site at nextweek.reed.edu ? Whenever I try to log on, I get service > >failed or I don't know user name to use to log in/ftp in. User ftp, guest, > >or anonymous don't seem to work. > > EPS ftp site is now at ftp.reed.edu ( /eps subdirectory ). Use login name > anonymous and give your email address as password. > BTW, does anybody know how to convert samples between Roland and Ensoniq > formats? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 11 09:15:40 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 09:15:32 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 09:12:22 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:38 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:31 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 10 Aug 93 14:37 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: EPS site address To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1993 14:37:47 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Some people have asked me to post the Ensoniq EPS sampler ftp site again so here it is : ftp.reed.edu Regarding SOX command-line arguments, the documentation for SOX is in the sox zip file I put on lotus ftp site. I know it is hard to figure out how to run, but you just have to mess around with it. here is what I use for converting raw 8 bit samples from an Amiga to .SMP SampleVision format on my PC: sox -V -b -s -traw -r16000 oldamigasample.raw -r15000 newpcsample.smp This is -V for verbose mode, -b for data in bytes, -s for signed, -r16000 for original Amiga sample file rate of 16000 Hertz, and -r15000 for new SampleVision file rate of 15000 Hertz. You have to play around with whatever samples you are trying to convert. It is NOT the most user-friendly program in the world, but it is free and it works, which is an attractive part of the deal. Read the SOX docs in the sox zip file, they should give you more insight into the other command-line options, etc. Here is a list of other MIDI type ftp sites: ###### MIDI / Samples / Amiga / SoundBlaster ######### lotus.uwaterloo.ca 129.97.140.9 #Roland S-series sgroup ftp site sweaty.palm.cri.nz 161.66.1.11 #Emu Emax sgroup ftp site (anonymous) cs.uwp.edu 131.210.1.4 #Kurzweil K2000 sgroup ftp site ftp.uwp.edu ftp.reed.edu 134.10.2.24 (login as anonymous) #Ensoniq EPS sgroup ftp site faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de #Amiga ftp site louie.udel.edu 128.175.1.3 #Midi/Synth patches stuff atari.archive.umich.edu 141.211.165.41 #Atari ftp site amiga.physik.unizh.ch 130.60.80.80 #Amiga ftp site nic.funet.fi 128.214.6.100 #Finnish Amiga/IBMPC/SVR4/Linux athena.sdsu.edu 130.191.224.8 #SanDiegoState Samples ftp site litamiga.epfl.ch 128.178.151.32 #Amiga ftp site qiclab.scn.rain.com 147.28.0.97 #Midi stuff wuarchive.wustl.edu 128.252.135.4 #Amiga/PC/Atari & Mirrors ftp site garfield.catt.ncsu.edu 152.1.43.23 #Midi stuff ucsd.edu 128.54.16.1 #Midi stuff aupair.cs.athabascau.ca 131.232.10.8 #Amiga ftp site merlin.etsu.edu 192.43.199.20 #Amiga ftp site oes.orst.edu 128.193.124.2 #Amiga ftp site usenet.mcs.kent.edu 131.123.2.137 #Mod files wsmr-simtel20.army.mil 192.88.110.20 #DOS files Simtel20.Army.Mil oak.oakland.edu 141.210.10.117 #DOS files castrovalva.gsfc.nasa.gov 128.183.33.197 #Macintosh files & Midi Garbo.Uwasa.fi 128.214.87.1 #DOS SoundBlaster files -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 11 09:31:55 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 09:31:40 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 09:28:04 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA07300 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Wed, 11 Aug 1993 09:26:10 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA22923; Wed, 11 Aug 93 09:26:09 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA29850; Wed, 11 Aug 93 09:26:08 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308111326.AA29850@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Two thumbs up to David Wilson! To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 09:26:08 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 146 Status: R The Subject line says it all. My EPS friend, an experienced veteran NETter, and I are going to have a ball. Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 11 10:58:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 10:58:44 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 10:55:15 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 10:56 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 10:49 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 11 Aug 93 10:55 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: Hey Roland ! To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 10:55:43 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I just received notice that Jim Norman of Roland is now on our Roland sgroup mailing list, if you get this message, well welcome aboard Jim! Let me be the first or one of the first sgroupies to swamp Jim with a barrage of questions. I think I speak for every s-series sampler owner in complaining about the lack of continued support for the 12-bit series of Roland samplers. I have spoken with some of the support specialists at Roland who say that support for the S550 and others has been dropped due to it being an older product and the new S770 series taking it's place. While I release this is true, it is an older product and Roland has to push the new 16-bit machines hard to compete with Akai and now Kurzweil too. HOWEVER, there is a large installed base of Roland 12-bit samplers out there, hence the existence of our now-famous sgroup list. My biggest complaint with Roland is that they don't provide the user with access to "Techie" documents and development stuff. Emu, for example, sells technical manual(s) for the Emulator/Emax series for Midi systems programming and RS422 port data comm programming for Midi sample dump details. Ensoniq has techie stuff too for their products, they have Ensoniq employees on the Ensoniq user-group mailing list. The Kurzweil K2000 already has a large user group and ftp site with utility programs, I know technical information is available for it. Roland maintains that they sell "professional" products, and I guess they don't want non-official "Linux-like" versions of the S-550 operating system floating around. I was sold on the S-550 because it was like a Fairlight CMI system for about a zillion dollars less. I am not a musician, but a Computer Science and now EE major, I don't want to just "play" my S-550, but I want to hack the hell out of it. I want access to more Roland technical documents even if they were made for sale, I would pay for it. I believe that I can get circuit schematics for Roland devices, so why can't I get more Midi or operating system information ?? If the 12-bit S-series is indeed dead, let the public in on keeping it alive. You don't gain a buyer's interest in a new product by promising them future support and upgrades and then bag it in the end. Look at the Peavey DPM series, you can upgrade, upgrade, upgrade ... The S550 is a powerful sampler, even by today's standards. Also, I heard that Roland might get an Internet link or BBS number for ftp of samples/programs. That is a brilliant idea, and should absolutely be pursued if the rumor is true. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 11 11:55:13 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 11:55:06 -0400 Received: from mumrik.nada.kth.se ([130.237.223.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 11 Aug 1993 11:51:25 -0400 Received: by mumrik.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA09594; Wed, 11 Aug 93 17:50:34 +0200 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1993 11:50:34 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9308111550.AA09594@mumrik.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Hey Roland ! Status: R > Roland who say that support for the S550 and others has been dropped due > to it being an older product and the new S770 series taking it's place. Some support for the S-7XX series wouldn't hurt either... (though the sample library I got was nice, the machine is just so SLOOOW in doing file operations and sample editting) However, the sound is OK, especially since the new 2.19 upgrade which corrects the phase-lock-loses-hihats-in-drum- loops problem. Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 12 11:41:39 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Thu, 12 Aug 1993 11:41:30 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Aug 93 11:41:17 -0400 Received: from ads.com ([128.229.30.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 12 Aug 1993 11:34:37 -0400 Received: from bert.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA08312; Thu, 12 Aug 93 08:37:41 -0700 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by bert.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA03941; Thu, 12 Aug 93 08:37:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 11:37:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9308121537.AA03941@bert.ads.com> To: mparker@st.nepean.uws.edu.au Subject: Re: Roland's "open" system :-( Cc: sgroup@lotus Status: R >You wouldnt have any more info on that RAM upgrade for the W-30 seems like a cool idea...eg things like phone nos addresses etc I'll try to find the mag where I saw it. It's not cheap, though, $500 last time I looked. pd From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 12 13:52:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Thu, 12 Aug 1993 13:52:53 -0400 Received: from irit.irit.fr ([141.115.4.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Thu, 12 Aug 1993 13:49:24 -0400 Received: from iris4 (iris4.irit.fr) by irit.irit.fr; Thu, 12 Aug 1993 19:42:02 +0100 Received: by iris4, Thu, 12 Aug 93 19:51:54 -0700 From: balet@irit.irit.fr (Olivier BALET) Message-Id: <9308121951.ZM3187@iris4> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 22:51:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.3 26jan93) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Hey Roland ! Status: R Hi all, I've just been added to the s-group so let me introduce myself: I live in south of France (Toulouse) and, as I said it to John, my english is really poor :-( - hope you'll understand me - I'm a 23 years old PhD student working on a virtual reality project. I play gothic music (a mix between Siouxsie, Dead Can Dance and Sisters of Mercy) and I made few records. I've got: - Korg WS-Ex - Roland S750 - Roland S770 (for its digital I/O) + syquest 44 + cd-rom - Atari Mega Ste 4/48 + Cubase 3.0 - few FX racks (Lexicon, Alesis, Akai, etc) - 12 tracks audio tape Akai MG 14 D + Fostex 1844 I'd like to do things to improve my S770's system that's why I've just started a personal project: I'm coding a soft for the ST to control my S770. It will replace the Roland interface which is not so good. I don't want to transfer samples through sysex messages (far to slow) that's why I imagined a kind of Remote Process Control to control things like looping/cuting samples, managing a hard-disk. I know that a S770's system will not recognize my RPC messages that's why I first have to see if I can modify it. So, if anyone is interested, just write. d88-jwa@nada.kth.se wrote : > Some support for the S-7XX series wouldn't hurt either... > (though the sample library I got was nice, the machine is > just so SLOOOW in doing file operations and sample editting) I saw a new Roland product: a little card which will replace the CPU of any S7xx and which will increase its speed (+30%). It will be soon available (september in France) with a new system. Olivier ____________________________________________________________________ Institut de Recherche en Informatique de Toulouse Equipe Synthese d'Images Virtual Reality Project Olivier Balet : balet@irit.irit.fr ____________________________________________________________________ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 13 04:08:22 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88150-1>; Fri, 13 Aug 1993 04:08:12 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 13 Aug 93 04:08:07 -0400 Received: from ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl ([131.211.32.68]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 13 Aug 1993 04:03:33 -0400 Received: from ruunat.fys.ruu.nl by ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl with SMTP id AA27742 (5.65b+/IDA-1.4.3 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Fri, 13 Aug 93 09:53:53 +0200 Received: by ruunat.fys.ruu.nl id AA22770 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 13 Aug 1993 09:51:49 +0200 From: Wilfried van Sark Message-Id: <199308130751.AA22770@ruunat.fys.ruu.nl> Subject: Re: Roland's "open" system :-( To: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 03:51:48 -0400 Cc: mparker@st.nepean.uws.edu.au, sgroup@lotus In-Reply-To: <9308121537.AA03941@bert.ads.com> from "Peter Delevoryas" at Aug 12, 93 11:37:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 773 Status: RO WvS > WvS > WvS > >You wouldnt have any more info on that RAM upgrade for the W-30 WvS > seems like a cool idea...eg things like phone nos addresses etc Don't know exactly, but it is from PA Decoder, and $500 was just for the system board. You'll have to pay extra per MB ram. -- Bye ==TheWilf== aka Wilfried G.J.H.M. van Sark, (email: vansark@fys.ruu.nl) w w Utrecht Univ., Dept. of Atomic and Interface Physics, w w w P.O. Box 80000, 3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands. w w (tel: +31 - 30 533173) (fax: +31 - 30 543165) "Anything CAN be music, but it doesn't BECOME MUSIC until someone WILLS it to be music, and the audience listening to it decides to PERCEIVE IT AS MUSIC" Frank Zappa in "The Real Frank Zappa book" (1989). From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Aug 14 17:28:46 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88150-1>; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 17:28:39 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 17:23:20 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA20056 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Sat, 14 Aug 1993 17:21:27 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA27653; Sat, 14 Aug 93 17:21:27 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA22899; Sat, 14 Aug 93 17:21:26 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308142121.AA22899@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: .SMP to .WAV with SOX To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 17:21:26 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 889 Status: R OK! Here's another good one ... I'm starting to get the hang of SOX. The real (unacheived) challenge is to convert my S50 sounds into .WAV files from my SamleVision .SMP. I suppose it doesn't really matter which file it comes from since I tried it with .VOC or .AU files. So, If anybody got lucky with such operation, share your discoveries :-) For those who wonder why I ask the question: .WAV files are Windows soundfiles. It would be interesting to use such files for multi-media purposes. ----------------------------------- By the way .... I've been nosing around in ftp.reed.edu in their eps collection. They have a pretty good collection of .AIFF files, easily convertible into .SMP formats. "Good" is to take loosely as in "a lot", not necessarly "fanstastic" in term of choice and quality. Too much techno beats for my taste. Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 16 06:12:55 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 06:12:44 -0400 Received: from ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl ([131.211.32.68]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <389>; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 06:06:46 -0400 Received: from ruunat.fys.ruu.nl by ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl with SMTP id AA21480 (5.65b+/IDA-1.4.3 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Mon, 16 Aug 93 12:06:30 +0200 Received: by ruunat.fys.ruu.nl id AA00103 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Mon, 16 Aug 1993 12:06:26 +0200 From: Wilfried van Sark Message-Id: <199308161006.AA00103@ruunat.fys.ruu.nl> Subject: sample conversion's To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Sample Users Group Sample Users Group) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 06:06:25 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 709 Status: R Hi sgroupers, I seem to have missed the nitty-gritty details on the samplevision sample conversions. So I ask: is there PDsoftware out there, with which you can convert e.g. Amiga IFF format samples to W30/S50 format? Tanx -- Bye ==TheWilf== aka Wilfried G.J.H.M. van Sark, (email: vansark@fys.ruu.nl) w w Utrecht Univ., Dept. of Atomic and Interface Physics, w w w P.O. Box 80000, 3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands. w w (tel: +31 - 30 533173) (fax: +31 - 30 543165) "Anything CAN be music, but it doesn't BECOME MUSIC until someone WILLS it to be music, and the audience listening to it decides to PERCEIVE IT AS MUSIC" Frank Zappa in "The Real Frank Zappa book" (1989). From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 16 15:48:11 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-2>; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 15:48:04 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 15:40:19 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 15:40 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 15:30 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 15:36 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: audio file formats To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 15:36:54 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Here's some useful trivia for anyone playing with sample file formats. Note that the version of SOX mentioned in this document is a little old, but the command line arguments are the same and should help anyone learning how to use it. Also, it tells you the "techie" formats of Amiga .IFF, IBM .VOC, sound files, etc. Hope it is of any use to you guys. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Version: 2.10 Last-modified: 11-Jan-1993 Mark J Cox ----- Bradford, UK --- FAQ: Audio File Formats (version 2.10) ====================================== Table of contents ----------------- Introduction Device characteristics Popular sampling rates Compression schemes Current hardware File formats File conversions Playing audio files on UNIX Playing audio files on micros The Sound Site Newsletter Posting sounds Appendices: FTP access for non-internet sites AIFF Format (Audio IFF) The NeXT/Sun audio file format IFF/8SVX Format Playing sound on a PC The EA-IFF-85 documentation US Federal Standard 1016 availability Creative Voice (VOC) file format RIFF WAVE (.WAV) file format U-LAW and A-LAW definitions AVR File Format Introduction ------------ This is version 2 of this FAQ, which I started in November 1991 under the name "The audio formats guide". I bumped the major version number since the Subject and Newsgroups headers have changed to make the subject more informative and give the guide a wider audience. I also added a Table of contents section at the top. I am posting this about once a fortnight, either unchanged (just to inform new readers), or updated (if I learn more or when new hardware or software becomes popular). I post to alt.binaries.sounds.{misc,d} and to comp.dsp, for maximal coverage of people interested in audio, and to news.answers, for easy reference. A companion posting with subject "Change to: ..." is occasionally posted listing the diffs between a new version and the last. This is not reposted, and it is suppressed when the diffs are bigger than the new version. NEWSFLASH: This FAQ is now also available in distributed hypertext form! If you have a WWW browser and direct Internet access you can point it to "http://voorn.cwi.nl/audio-formats/a00.html". (WWW is the CERN World-Wide Web initiative; for more info, telnet or ftp to info.cern.ch.) Send updates, comments and questions to ; flames to /dev/null. I'd like to thank everyone who sent me mail with updates for previous versions. The list of names is really too long to list you all... --Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam "Lobster thermidor aux crevettes with a mornay sauce garnished with truffle pate, brandy and a fried egg on top and spam" Device characteristics ---------------------- In this text, I will only use the term "sample" to refer to a single output value from an A/D converter, i.e., a small integer number (usually 8 or 16 bits). Audio data is characterized by the following parameters, which correspond to settings of the A/D converter when the data was recorded. Naturally, the same settings must be used to play the data. - sampling rate (in samples per second), e.g. 8000 or 44100 - number of bits per sample, e.g. 8 or 16 - number of channels (1 for mono, 2 for stereo, etc.) Approximate sampling rates are often quoted in Hz or kHz ([kilo-] Hertz), however, the politically correct term is samples per second (samples/sec). Sampling rates are always measured per channel, so for stereo data recorded at 8000 samples/sec, there are actually 16000 samples in a second. I will sometimes write 8 k as a shorthand for 8000 samples/sec. Multi-channel samples are generally interleaved on a frame-by-frame basis: if there are N channels, the data is a sequence of frames, where each frame contains N samples, one from each channel. (Thus, the sampling rate is really the number of *frames* per second.) For stereo, the left channel usually comes first. The specification of the number of bits for U-LAW (pronounced mu-law -- the u really stands for the Greek letter mu) samples is somewhat problematic. These samples are logarithmically encoded in 8 bits, like a tiny floating point number; however, their dynamic range is that of 14 bit linear data. Source for converting to/from U-LAW (written by Jef Poskanzer) is distributed as part of the SOX package mentioned below; it can easily be ripped apart to serve in other applications. The official definition is the CCITT standard G.711. There exists another encoding similar to U-LAW, called A-LAW, which is used as a European telephony standard. There is less support for it in UNIX workstations. (See the Appendix for some formulae describing U-LAW and A-LAW.) Popular sampling rates ---------------------- Some sampling rates are more popular than others, for various reasons. Some recording hardware is restricted to (approximations of) some of these rates, some playback hardware has direct support for some. The popularity of divisors of common rates can be explained by the simplicity of clock frequency dividing circuits :-). Samples/sec Description 5500 One fourth of the Mac sampling rate (rarely seen). 7333 One third of the Mac sampling rate (rarely seen). 8000 Exactly 8000 samples/sec is a telephony standard that goes together with U-LAW (and also A-LAW) encoding. Some systems use an slightly different rate; in particular, the NeXT workstation uses 8012.8210513, apparently the rate used by Telco CODECs. 11 k Either 11025, a quarter of the CD sampling rate, or half the Mac sampling rate (perhaps the most popular rate on the Mac). 16000 Used by, e.g. the G.722 compression standard. 18.9 k CD-ROM/XA standard. 22 k Either 22050, half the CD sampling rate, or the Mac rate; the latter is precisely 22254.545454545454 but usually misquoted as 22000. (Historical note: 22254.5454... was the horizontal scan rate of the original 128k Mac.) 32000 Used in digital radio, NICAM (Nearly-Instantaneous Companded Audio Multiplex [IBA/BREMA/BBC]) and other TV work, at least in the UK; also long play DAT and Japanese HDTV. 37.8 k CD-ROM/XA standard for higher quality. 44056 This weird rate is used by professional audio equipment to fit an integral number of samples in a video frame. 44100 The CD sampling rate. (DAT players recording digitally from CD also use this rate.) 48000 The DAT (Digital Audio Tape) sampling rate for domestic use. Files samples on SoundBlaster hardware have sampling rates that are divisors of 1000000. While professinal musicians disagree, most people don't have a problem if recorded sound is played at a slightly different rate, say, 1-2%. On the other hand, if recorded data is being fed into a playback device in real time (say, over a network), even the smallest difference in sampling rate can frustrate the buffering scheme used... There may be an emerging tendency to standardize on only a few sampling rates and encoding styles, even if the file formats may differ. The suggested rates and styles are: rate (samp/sec) style mono/stereo 8000 8-bit U-LAW mono 22050 8-bit linear unsigned mono and stereo 44100 16-bit linear signed mono and stereo Compression schemes ------------------- Strange though it seems, audio data is remarkably hard to compress effectively. For 8-bit data, a Huffman encoding of the deltas between successive samples is relatively successful. For 16-bit data, companies like Sony and Philips have spent millions to develop proprietary schemes. Public standards for voice compression are slowly gaining popularity, e.g. CCITT G.721 and G.723 (ADPCM at 32 and 24 kbits/sec). (ADPCM == Adaptive Delta Pulse Code Modulation.) Free source code for a *fast* 32 kbits/sec ADPCM algorithm is available by ftp from ftp.cwi.nl as /pub/adpcm.shar. (** NOTE: if you are using v1.0, you should get v1.1, released 17-Dec-1992, which fixes a serious bug -- the quality of v1.1 is claimed to be better than uLAW **) There are also two US federal standards, 1016 (Code excited linear prediction (CELP), 4800 bits/s) and 1015 (LPC-10E, 2400 bits/s). See also the appendix for 1016. (Note that U-LAW and silence detection can also be considered compression schemes.) Here's a note about audio codings by Van Jacobson : Several people used the words "LPC" and "CELP" interchangably. They are very different. An LPC (Linear Predictive Coding) coder fits speech to a simple, analytic model of the vocal tract, then throws away the speech & ships the parameters of the best-fit model. An LPC decoder uses those parameters to generate synthetic speech that is usually more-or-less similar to the original. The result is intelligible but sounds like a machine is talking. A CELP (Code Excited Linear Predictor) coder does the same LPC modeling but then computes the errors between the original speech & the synthetic model and transmits both model parameters and a very compressed representation of the errors (the compressed representation is an index into a 'code book' shared between coders & decoders -- this is why it's called "Code Excited"). A CELP coder does much more work than an LPC coder (usually about an order of magnitude more) but the result is much higher quality speech: The FIPS-1016 CELP we're working on is essentially the same quality as the 32Kb/s ADPCM coder but uses only 4.8Kb/s (the same as the LPC coder). Finally, the comp.compression FAQ has some text on the 6:1 audio compression scheme used by MPEG (a video compression standard-to-be). It's interesting to note that video compression reaches much higher ratios (like 26:1). This FAQ is ftp'able from rtfm.mit.edu [18.72.1.58] in directory /pub/usenet/news.answers/compression-faq, files part1 and part2. Comp.compression also carries a regular posting "How to uncompress anything" by David Lemson , which (tersely) hints on which program you need to uncompress a file whose name ends in . for almost any conceivable . Ftp'able from ftp.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.59) in the directory /doc/pcnet as the file compression. Current hardware ---------------- I am aware of the following computer systems that can play back and (sometimes) record audio data, with their characteristics. Note that for most systems you can also buy "professional" sampling hardware, which supports much better quality, e.g. >= 44.1 k 16 bits stereo. The characteristics listed here are a rough estimate of the capabilities of the basic hardware only (and even here I am on thin ice, with systems becoming ever more powerful). machine bits max sampling rate #output channels Mac 8 22k 1 Apple IIgs 8 32k / >70k 8(st) PC/Soundblaster v1 8 13k / 22k 1 PC/Soundblaster v2 8 15k / 44.1k 1 PC/PAS-16 16 44.1k ?(st) Atari ST 8 22k 1 Atari STe,TT 8 50k 2 Atari Falcon 030 16 50k 8(st) Amiga 8 ~29k 4(st) Sun Sparc U-LAW 8k 1 Sun Sparcst. 10 U-LAW,8,16 48k 1(st) NeXT U-LAW,8,16 44.1k 1(st) SGI Indigo 8,16 48k 4(st) Acorn Archimedes ~U-LAW ~180k 8(st) Sony RISC-NEWS 8, 16 37.8k ?(st) VAXstation 4000 U-LAW 8k 1 Tandy 1000/*L* 8 22k 3 HP9000/705,710,425e U,A-LAW,8 8k 1 4(st) means "four voices, stereo"; sampling rates xx/yy are different recording/playback rates; *L* is any type with 'L' in it. All these machines can play back sound without additional hardware, although the needed software is not always standard; only the Sun, NeXT and SGI come with standard sampling hardware (the NeXT only samples U-LAW at 8000 samples/sec from the built-in microphone port; you need a separate board for other rates). The new VAXstation 4000 (VLC and model 60) series lets you PLAY audio (.au) files, and the package DECsound will let you do the recording. In fact, DECsound is given away free with Motif 1.1 and supports the VAXstation, Sun SPARCstation, DECvoice, and XMedia audio devices. Sun sound files work without change. The SGI Personal IRIS 4D/30 and 4D/35 have the same capabilities as the Indigo. The new Apple Macs have more powerful audio hardware; the latest models have built-in microphones. Software exists for the PC that can play sound on its 1-bit speaker using pulse width modulation (see appendix); the Soundblaster board records at rates up to 13 k and plays back up to 22 k (weird combination, but that's the way it is). Here's some info about the newest Atari machine, the Falcon030. This machine has stereo 16 bit CODECs and a 32 MHz Motorola 56001 that can handle 8 channels of 16 bit audio, up to 50 khz/channel with simultaneous playback and record. The Falcon DMA sound engine is also compatible with the 8 bit stereo DMA used on the STe and TT. All of these systems use signed data. On the NeXT, the Motorola 56001 DSP chip is programmable and you can (in principle) do what you want. The SGI uses the same DSP chip but it can't be programmed by users -- SGI prefers to offer it as a shared system resource to multiple applications, thus enabling developers to program audio with their Audio Library and avoid code modifications for execution on future machines with different audio hardware, i.e. a different DSP. The Amiga also has a 6-bit volume, which can be used to produce something like a 14-bit output for each voice. The hardware can also use one of each voice-pair to modulate the other in FM (period) or AM (volume, 6-bits). The Acorn Archimedes uses a variation on U-LAW with the bit order reversed and the sign bit in bit 0. Being a 'minority' architecture, Arc owners are quite adept at converting sound/image formats from other machines, and it is unlikely that you'll ever encounter sound in one of the Arc's own formats (there are several). CD-I machines form a special category. The following formats are used: - PCM 44.1 kHz standard CD format - ADPCM - Addaptive Delta PCM - Level A 37.8 kHz 8-bit - Level B 37.8 kHz 4-bit - Level C 18.9 kHz 4-bit File formats ------------ Historically, almost every type of machine used its own file format for audio data, but some file formats are more generally applicable, and in general it is possible to define conversions between almost any pair of file formats -- sometimes losing information, however. File formats are a separate issue from device characteristics. There are two types of file formats: self-describing formats, where the device parameters and encoding are made explicit in some form of header, and "raw" formats, where the device parameters and encoding are fixed. Self-describing file formats generally define a family of data encodings, where a header fields indicates the particular encoding variant used. Headerless formats define a single encoding and usually allows no variation in device parameters (except sometimes sampling rate, which can be a pain to figure out other than by listening to the sample). The header of self-describing formats contains the parameters of the sampling device and sometimes other information (e.g. a human-readable description of the sound, or a copyright notice). Most headers begin with a simple "magic word". (Some formats do not simply define a header format, but may contain chunks of data intermingled with chunks of encoding info.) The data encoding defines how the actual samples are stored in the file, e.g. signed or unsigned, as bytes or short integers, in little-endian or big-endian byte order, etc. Strictly spoken, channel interleaving is also part of the encoding, although so far I have seen little variation in this area. Some file formats apply some kind of compression to the data, e.g. Huffman encoding, or simple silence deletion. Here's an overview of popular file formats. Self-describing file formats ---------------------------- extension, name origin variable parameters (fixed; comments) .au or .snd NeXT, Sun rate, #channels, encoding, info string .aif(f), AIFF Apple, SGI rate, #channels, sample width, lots of info .aif(f), AIFC Apple, SGI same (extension of AIFF with compression) .iff, IFF/8SVX Amiga rate, #channels, instrument info (8 bits) .voc Soundblaster rate (8 bits/1 ch; can use silence deletion) .wav, WAVE Microsoft rate, #channels, sample width, lots of info .sf IRCAM rate, #channels, encoding, info none, HCOM Mac rate (8 bits/1 ch; uses Huffman compression) none, MIME Internet (see below) .mod or .nst Amiga (see below) Note that the filename extension ".snd" is ambiguous: it can be either the self-describing NeXT format or the headerless Mac/PC format, or even a headerless Amiga format. I know nothing for sure about the origin of HCOM files, only that there are a lot of them floating around on our system and probably at FTP sites over the world. The filenames usually don't have a ".hcom" extension, but this is what SOX (see below) uses. The file format recognized by SOX includes a MacBinary header, where the file type field is "FSSD". The data fork begins with the magic word "HCOM" and contains Huffman compressed data; after decompression it it is 8 bits unsigned data. IFF/8SVX allows for amplitude contours for sounds (attack/decay/etc). Compression is optional (and extensible); volume is variable; author, notes and copyright properties; etc. AIFF, AIFC and WAVE are similar in spirit but allow more freedom in encoding style (other than 8 bit/sample), amongst others. There are other sound formats in use on Amiga by digitizers and music programs, such as IFF/SMUS. Appendices describes the NeXT and VOC formats; pointers to more info about AIFF, AIFC, 8SVX and WAVE (which are too complex to describe here) are also in appendices. DEC systems (e.g. DECstation 5000) use a variant of the NeXT format that uses little-endian encoding and has a different magic number (0x0064732E in little-endian encoding). Standard file formats used in the CD-I world are IFF but on the disc they're in realtime files. An interesting "interchange format" for audio data is described in the proposed Internet Standard "MIME", which describes a family of transport encodings and structuring devices for electronic mail. This is an extensible format, and initially standardizes a type of audio data dubbed "audio/basic", which is 8-bit U-LAW data sampled at 8000 samples/sec. Finally, a somewhat different but popular format are "MOD" files, usually with extension ".mod" or ".nst" (they can also have a prefix of "mod."). This originated at the Amiga but players now exist for many platforms. MOD files are music files containing 2 parts: (1) a bank of digitized samples; (2) sequencing information describing how and when to play the samples. See the appendix "The Amiga MOD Format" for a description of this file format. Headerless file formats ----------------------- extension origin parameters or name .snd, .fssd Mac, PC variable rate, 1 channel, 8 bits unsigned .ul US telephony 8 k, 1 channel, 8 bit "U-LAW" encoding .snd? Amiga variable rate, 1 channel, 8 bits signed It is usually easy to distinguish 8-bit signed formats from unsigned by looking at the beginning of the data with 'od -b " option. Remember that the most common file type is unsigned bytes, which can be indicated with "-t ub". You'll have to guess the proper sampling rate, but often it's 11k or 22k. - In particular, with SOX version 4 (or earlier), you have to specify "-t 8svx" for files with an .iff extension. - When converting linear samples to U-LAW using the .au type for the output file, you must specify "-U" for the output file, otherwise you will end up with a file containing a NeXT/Sun header but linear samples -- only the NeXT will play such files correctly. Also, you must explicitly specify an output sampling rate with "-r 8000". (This may seem fixed for most cases in version 5, but it is still occasionally necessary, so I'm keeping this warning in.) Sun Sparc --------- On Sun Sparcs, starting at SunOS 4.1, a program "raw2audio" is provided by Sun (in /usr/demo/SOUND -- see below) which takes a raw U-LAW file and turns it into a ".au" file by prefixing it with an appropriate header. NeXT ---- On NeXTs, you can usually rename .au files to .snd and it'll work like a charm, but some .au files lack header info that the NeXT needs. This can be fixed by using sndconvert: sndconvert -c 1 -f 1 -s 8012.8210513 -o nextfile.snd sunfile.au SGI Indigo and Personal IRIS ---------------------------- SGI supports "soundfiler" (in /usr/sbin), a program similar in spirit to SOX but with a GUI. Soundfiler plays aiff, aifc, NeXT/Sun and .wav formats. It can do conversions between any of these formats and to and from raw formats including mulaw. It also does sample rate conversions. Three shell commands are also provided that give the same functionality: "sfplay", "sfconvert", and "aifcresample" (all in /usr/sbin). Amiga ----- Mike Cramer's SoundZAP can do no effects except rate change and it only does conversions to IFF, but it is generally much faster than SOX. (Ftp'able from the same directory as amisox above.) Tandy ----- The Tandy 1000 uses a (proprietary?) compressed format. There is a PD Mac to Tandy conversion program called CONVERT. Playing audio files on UNIX --------------------------- The commands needed to play an audio file depend on the file format and the available hardware and software. Most systems can only directly play sound in their native format; use a conversion program (see above) to play other formats. Sun Sparcstation running SunOS 4.x ---------------------------------- Raw U-LAW files can be played using "cat file >/dev/audio". A whole package for dealing with ".au" files is provided by Sun on an experimental basis, in /usr/demo/SOUND. You may have to compile the programs first. (If you can't find this directory, either you are not running SunOS 4.1 yet, or your system administrator hasn't installed it -- go ask him for it, not me!) The program "play" in this directory recognizes all files in Sun/NeXT format, but a SS 1 or 2 can play only those using U-LAW encoding at 8 k -- the SS 10 hardware plays other encodings, too. If you ca't find "play", you can also cat a ".au" file to /dev/audio, if it uses U-LAW; the header will sound like a short burst of noise but the rest of the data will sound OK (really, the only difference in this case between raw U-LAW and ".au" files is the header; the U-LAW data is exactly the same). Finally, OpenWindows 3.0 has a full-fledged audio tool. You can drop audio file icons into it, edit them, etc. Sun Sparcstation running Solaris 2.0 ------------------------------------ Under SVR4 (and hence Solaris 2.0), writing to /dev/audio from the shell is a bad idea, because the device driver will flush its queue as soon as the file is closed. Use "audioplay" instead. The supported formats and sampling rates are the same as above. NeXT ---- On NeXT machines, the standard "sndplay" program can play all NeXT format files (this include Sun ".au" files). It supports at least U-LAW at 8 k and 16 bits samples at 22 or 44.1 k. It attempts on-the-fly conversions for other formats. Sound files are also played if you double-click on them in the file browser. SGI Indigo and Personal IRIS ---------------------------- On SGI Indigo and the 4D/30 and /35 Personal IRIS workstations, "WorkSpace" plays audio files in .aiff, .aifc, .au, and .wav formats if you double click them and the sampling rate is one of 8000, 11025, 16000, 22050, 32000, 44100, or 48000. On the Personal IRIS, you need to have the audio board installed (check the output from hinv) and you must run IRIX 3.3.2 or 4.0 or higher. These files can also be played with "soundfiler" and "sfplay". ".aiff" and ".aifc" files at the above sampling rates can also be played with playaifc. (All in /usr/sbin) There is no simple /dev/audio interface on these SGI machines. (There was one on 4D/25 machines, reading and writing signed linear 8-bit samples at rates of 8, 16 and 32 k.) A program "playulaw" was posted as part of the "radio 2.0" release that I posted to several source groups recently; it plays raw U-LAW files on the Indigo or Personal IRIS audio hardware. Sony NEWS --------- The Sony RISC-NEWS line (NWS-3250 laptop, NWS-37xx desktop, NWS-38xx desktop w/ IOP) also has builtin sound capabilities. You can also buy external boards for the older NEWS machines or to add extra channels to the new machines. In the default mode (8k/8-bit), Sun .au files are directly supported (you can 'cat' .au files to /dev/sb and have them play). Vaxstation 4000 --------------- ".au" files can be played by COPYING them to device "SOA0:". This device is set up by enabling the driver SODRIVER, as described below: DEC's sound stuff is like most other new toy. Hardware first, THEN the software. DEC will soon be releasing a layered product called DECsound, which will let you record, play, and (possibly) manipulate sound files. Third party product(s) have ALREADY hit the market. Enabling SODRIVER: (you can use the following command file) $!---------------- cut here ------------------------------- $! sound_setup.com enable SOUND driver $ run sys$system:sysgen connect soa0 /adapter=0 /csr=%x0e00 /vector=%o304 /driver=sodriver exit $ exit $!----------------- cut here ------------------------------------ The external audio port comes with a telephone-jack-like port. For starters, you can plug a telephone RECEIVER right into this port to hear your first sound files. After that, you can use the adapter (that came with the VaxStation), and plug in a small set of stereo speakers (the kind you'd plug into a WALKMAN, for example), for more volume. Others ------ Most other UNIX boxes don't have audio hardware and thus can't play audio data. Playing audio files on micros ----------------------------- Most micros have at least a speaker built in, so theoretically all you need is the right software. Unfortunately most systems don't come bundled with sound-playing software, so there are many public domain or shareware software packages, each with their own bugs and features. Most separate sound recording hardware also comes with playing software, most of which can play sound (in the file format used by that hardware) even on machines that don't have that hardware installed. Chris S. Craig announces the following software for PCs: ScopeTrax This is a complete PC sound player/editor package. Sounds can be played back at ANY rate between 1kHz to 65kHz through the PC speaker or the Sound Blaster. It supports several file formats including VOC, IFF/8SVX, raw signed and raw unsigned. A separate executable is provided to convert .au and mu-law to raw format. ScopeTrax requires EGA/VGA graphics for editing and displaying sounds on a REALTIME oscilloscope. The package also includes: * An expanded memory player which can play sounds larger than 640K in size. * Basic (rough) sound compression/uncompression utilities. * Complete documentation. The package is FREEWARE! It is available on SIMTEL in the PD1:[MSDOS.SOUND] directory. One of the appendices below contains a list of more programs to play sound on the PC. For sounds on Atari STs - programs are in the atari/sound/players directory on atari.archive.umich.edu (141.211.164.8). Malcolm Slaney from Apple writes: "We do have tools to play sound back on most of our Unix hosts. We wrote a program called TcpPlay that lets us read a sound file on a Unix host, open a TCP/IP connection to the Mac on my desk, and plays the file. We think of it as X windows for sound (at least a step in that direction.) This software is available for anonymous FTP from ftp.apple.com. Look for ~ftp/pub/TcpPlay/TcpPlay.sit.hqx. Finally, there are MANY tools for working with sound on the Macintosh. Three applications that come to mind immediately are SoundEdit (formerly by Farralon and now by MacroMind/Paracomp), Alchemy and Eric Keller's Signalyze. There are lots of other tools available for sound editing (including some of the QuickTime Movie tools.)" On a Tandy 1000, sounds can be played and recorded with DeskMate Sound (SOUND.PDM), or if they not stored in compressed format, they can also be played be a program called PLAYSND. No indication of whether PLAYSND is PD or not. It hasn't been updated since March of 89. On the Amiga, OmniPlay by David Champion plays (but does not convert) several sound formats. It allows Amiga users to play IFF-8SVX, AIFF, WAV, VOC, .au, .snd, and 8 bit raw (signed, unsigned, u-law) samples. OmniPlay is available at the following FTP sites: * wuarchive.wustl.edu in /systems/amiga/audio/sampleplayers/oplay121.lha * amiga.physik.unizh.zh in music/oplay121.lha The Sound Site Newsletter ------------------------- An electronic publication with lots of info about digitised sound and sound formats, albeit mostly on micros, is "The Sound Site Newsletter". So far, 8 issues have appeared, the last in January 1992. Issues can be ftp'ed from saffron.inset.com, directory directory pub/rogue/newsletters, or from ccb.ucsf.edu, Pub/Sound_list/Sound.Newsletters. Posting sounds -------------- The newsgroup alt.binaries.sounds.misc is dedicated to postings containing sound. (Discussions related to such postings belong in alt.binaries.sounds.d.) There is no set standard for posting sounds; uuencoded files in most popular formats are welcome, if split in parts under 50 kBytes. To accomodate automatic decoding software (such as the ":decode" command of the nn newsreader), please place a part indicator of the form (mm/nn) at the end of your subject meaning this is number mm of a total of nn part. It is recommended to post sounds in the format that was used for the original recording; conversions to other formats often lose information and would do people with identical hardware as the poster no favor. For instance, convering 8-bit linear sound to U-LAW loses the lower few bits of the data, and rate changing conversions almost always add noise. Converting from U-LAW to linear requires expansion to 16 bit samples if no information loss is allowed! U-LAW data is best posted with a NeXT/Sun header. If you have to post a file in a headerless format (usually 8-bit linear, like ".snd"), please add a description giving at least the sampling rate and whether the bytes are signed (zero at 0) or unsigned (zero at 0200). However, it is highly recommended to add a header that indicates the sampling rate and encoding scheme; if necessary you can use SOX to add a header of your choice to raw data. Compression of sound files usually isn't worth it; the standard "compress" algorithm doesn't save much when applied to sound data (typically at most 10-20 percent), and compression algorithms specifically designed for sound (e.g. NeXT's) are usually proprietary. (See also the section "Compression schemes" earlier.) Appendices ========== Here are some more detailed pieces of info that I received by e-mail. They are reproduced here virtually without much editing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FTP access for non-internet sites --------------------------------- >From the sci.space FAQ: Sites not connected to the Internet cannot use FTP directly, but there are a few automated FTP servers which operate via email. Send mail containing only the word HELP to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com or bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu, and the servers will send you instructions on how to make requests Also: FAQ lists are available by anonymous FTP from pit-manager.mit.edu (18.72.1.58) and by email from mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu (send a message containing "help" for instructions about the mail server). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIFF Format (Audio IFF) and AIFC -------------------------------- This format was developed by Apple for storing high-quality sampled sound and musical instrument info; it is also used by SGI and several professional audio packages (sorry, I know no names). An extension, called AIFC or AIFF-C, supports compression (see the last item below). I've made a BinHex'ed MacWrite version of the AIFF spec (no idea if it's the same text as mentioned below) available by anonymous ftp from ftp.cwi.nl [192.16.184.180]; the file is /pub/AudioIFF1.2.hqx. But you may be better off with the AIFF-C specs, see below. Mike Brindley (brindley@ece.orst.edu) writes: "The complete AIFF spec by Steve Milne, Matt Deatherage (Apple) is available in 'AMIGA ROM Kernal Reference Manual: Devices (3rd Edition)' 1991 by Commodore-Amiga, Inc.; Addison-Wesley Publishing Co.; ISBN 0-201-56775-X, starting on page 435 (this edition has a charcoal grey cover). It is available in most bookstores, and soon in many good librairies." Finally, Mark Callow writes (in comp.sys.sgi): "I have placed a PostScript version of the AIFF-C specification on sgi.sgi.com for public ftp. It is in the file sgi/aiff-c.9.26.91.ps. sgi.sgi.com's internet host number is (I think) 192.48.153.1." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The NeXT/Sun audio file format ------------------------------ Here's the complete story on the file format, from the NeXT documentation. (Note that the "magic" number is ((int)0x2e736e64), which equals ".snd".) Also, at the end, I've added a litte document that someone posted to the net a couple of years ago, that describes the format in a bit-by-bit fashion rather than from C. I received this from Doug Keislar, NeXT Computer. This is also the Sun format, except that Sun doesn't recognize as many format codes. I added the numeric codes to the table of formats and sorted it. SNDSoundStruct: How a NeXT Computer Represents Sound The NeXT sound software defines the SNDSoundStruct structure to represent sound. This structure defines the soundfile and Mach-O sound segment formats and the sound pasteboard type. It's also used to describe sounds in Interface Builder. In addition, each instance of the Sound Kit's Sound class encapsulates a SNDSoundStruct and provides methods to access and modify its attributes. Basic sound operations, such as playing, recording, and cut-and-paste editing, are most easily performed by a Sound object. In many cases, the Sound Kit obviates the need for in-depth understanding of the SNDSoundStruct architecture. For example, if you simply want to incorporate sound effects into an application, or to provide a simple graphic sound editor (such as the one in the Mail application), you needn't be aware of the details of the SNDSoundStruct. However, if you want to closely examine or manipulate sound data you should be familiar with this structure. The SNDSoundStruct contains a header, information that describes the attributes of a sound, followed by the data (usually samples) that represents the sound. The structure is defined (in sound/soundstruct.h) as: typedef struct { int magic; /* magic number SND_MAGIC */ int dataLocation; /* offset or pointer to the data */ int dataSize; /* number of bytes of data */ int dataFormat; /* the data format code */ int samplingRate; /* the sampling rate */ int channelCount; /* the number of channels */ char info[4]; /* optional text information */ } SNDSoundStruct; SNDSoundStruct Fields magic magic is a magic number that's used to identify the structure as a SNDSoundStruct. Keep in mind that the structure also defines the soundfile and Mach-O sound segment formats, so the magic number is also used to identify these entities as containing a sound. dataLocation It was mentioned above that the SNDSoundStruct contains a header followed by sound data. In reality, the structure only contains the header; the data itself is external to, although usually contiguous with, the structure. (Nonetheless, it's often useful to speak of the SNDSoundStruct as the header and the data.) dataLocation is used to point to the data. Usually, this value is an offset (in bytes) from the beginning of the SNDSoundStruct to the first byte of sound data. The data, in this case, immediately follows the structure, so dataLocation can also be thought of as the size of the structure's header. The other use of dataLocation, as an address that locates data that isn't contiguous with the structure, is described in "Format Codes," below. dataSize, dataFormat, samplingRate, and channelCount These fields describe the sound data. dataSize is its size in bytes (not including the size of the SNDSoundStruct). dataFormat is a code that identifies the type of sound. For sampled sounds, this is the quantization format. However, the data can also be instructions for synthesizing a sound on the DSP. The codes are listed and explained in "Format Codes," below. samplingRate is the sampling rate (if the data is samples). Three sampling rates, represented as integer constants, are supported by the hardware: Constant Sampling Rate (samples/sec) SND_RATE_CODEC 8012.821 (CODEC input) SND_RATE_LOW 22050.0 (low sampling rate output) SND_RATE_HIGH 44100.0 (high sampling rate output) channelCount is the number of channels of sampled sound. info info is a NULL-terminated string that you can supply to provide a textual description of the sound. The size of the info field is set when the structure is created and thereafter can't be enlarged. It's at least four bytes long (even if it's unused). Format Codes A sound's format is represented as a positive 32-bit integer. NeXT reserves the integers 0 through 255; you can define your own format and represent it with an integer greater than 255. Most of the formats defined by NeXT describe the amplitude quantization of sampled sound data: Value Code Format 0 SND_FORMAT_UNSPECIFIED unspecified format 1 SND_FORMAT_MULAW_8 8-bit mu-law samples 2 SND_FORMAT_LINEAR_8 8-bit linear samples 3 SND_FORMAT_LINEAR_16 16-bit linear samples 4 SND_FORMAT_LINEAR_24 24-bit linear samples 5 SND_FORMAT_LINEAR_32 32-bit linear samples 6 SND_FORMAT_FLOAT floating-point samples 7 SND_FORMAT_DOUBLE double-precision float samples 8 SND_FORMAT_INDIRECT fragmented sampled data 9 SND_FORMAT_NESTED ? 10 SND_FORMAT_DSP_CORE DSP program 11 SND_FORMAT_DSP_DATA_8 8-bit fixed-point samples 12 SND_FORMAT_DSP_DATA_16 16-bit fixed-point samples 13 SND_FORMAT_DSP_DATA_24 24-bit fixed-point samples 14 SND_FORMAT_DSP_DATA_32 32-bit fixed-point samples 15 ? 16 SND_FORMAT_DISPLAY non-audio display data 17 SND_FORMAT_MULAW_SQUELCH ? 18 SND_FORMAT_EMPHASIZED 16-bit linear with emphasis 19 SND_FORMAT_COMPRESSED 16-bit linear with compression 20 SND_FORMAT_COMPRESSED_EMPHASIZED A combination of the two above 21 SND_FORMAT_DSP_COMMANDS Music Kit DSP commands 22 SND_FORMAT_DSP_COMMANDS_SAMPLES ? Most formats identify different sizes and types of sampled data. Some deserve special note: -- SND_FORMAT_DSP_CORE format contains data that represents a loadable DSP core program. Sounds in this format are required by the SNDBootDSP() and SNDRunDSP() functions. You create a SND_FORMAT_DSP_CORE sound by reading a DSP load file (extension ".lod") with the SNDReadDSPfile() function. -- SND_FORMAT_DSP_COMMANDS is used to distinguish sounds that contain DSP commands created by the Music Kit. Sounds in this format can only be created through the Music Kit's Orchestra class, but can be played back through the SNDStartPlaying() function. -- SND_FORMAT_DISPLAY format is used by the Sound Kit's SoundView class. Such sounds can't be played. -- SND_FORMAT_INDIRECT indicates data that has become fragmented, as described in a separate section, below. -- SND_FORMAT_UNSPECIFIED is used for unrecognized formats. Fragmented Sound Data Sound data is usually stored in a contiguous block of memory. However, when sampled sound data is edited (such that a portion of the sound is deleted or a portion inserted), the data may become discontiguous, or fragmented. Each fragment of data is given its own SNDSoundStruct header; thus, each fragment becomes a separate SNDSoundStruct structure. The addresses of these new structures are collected into a contiguous, NULL-terminated block; the dataLocation field of the original SNDSoundStruct is set to the address of this block, while the original format, sampling rate, and channel count are copied into the new SNDSoundStructs. Fragmentation serves one purpose: It avoids the high cost of moving data when the sound is edited. Playback of a fragmented sound is transparent-you never need to know whether the sound is fragmented before playing it. However, playback of a heavily fragmented sound is less efficient than that of a contiguous sound. The SNDCompactSamples() C function can be used to compact fragmented sound data. Sampled sound data is naturally unfragmented. A sound that's freshly recorded or retrieved from a soundfile, the Mach-O segment, or the pasteboard won't be fragmented. Keep in mind that only sampled data can become fragmented. _________________________ >From mentor.cc.purdue.edu!purdue!decwrl!ucbvax!ziploc!eps Wed Apr 4 23:56:23 EST 1990 Article 5779 of comp.sys.next: Path: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!purdue!decwrl!ucbvax!ziploc!eps >From: eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Format of NeXT sndfile headers? Message-ID: <445@toaster.SFSU.EDU> Date: 31 Mar 90 21:36:17 GMT References: <14978@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Reply-To: eps@cs.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 42 In article <14978@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) writes: >I'd like to take a program I have that converts Macintosh sound files >to NeXT sndfiles and polish it up a bit to go the other direction as >well. Two people have already submitted programs that do this (Christopher Lane and Robert Hood); check the various NeXT archive sites. > Could someone please give me the format of a NeXT sndfile >header? "big-endian" 0 1 2 3 +-------+-------+-------+-------+ 0 | 0x2e | 0x73 | 0x6e | 0x64 | "magic" number +-------+-------+-------+-------+ 4 | | data location +-------+-------+-------+-------+ 8 | | data size +-------+-------+-------+-------+ 12 | | data format (enum) +-------+-------+-------+-------+ 16 | | sampling rate (int) +-------+-------+-------+-------+ 20 | | channel count +-------+-------+-------+-------+ 24 | | | | | (optional) info string 28 = minimum value for data location data format values can be found in /usr/include/sound/soundstruct.h Most common combinations: sampling channel data rate count format voice file 8012 1 1 = 8-bit mu-law system beep 22050 2 3 = 16-bit linear CD-quality 44100 2 3 = 16-bit linear ------------------------------------------------------------------------ IFF/8SVX Format --------------- Newsgroups: alt.binaries.sounds.d,alt.sex.sounds Subject: Format of the IFF header (Amiga sounds) Message-ID: <2509@tardis.Tymnet.COM> From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Date: 23 Oct 91 23:54:38 GMT Followup-To: alt.binaries.sounds.d Organization: BT North America (Tymnet) The first 12 bytes of an IFF file are used to distinguish between an Amiga picture (FORM-ILBM), an Amiga sound sample (FORM-8SVX), or other file conforming to the IFF specification. The middle 4 bytes is the count of bytes that follow the "FORM" and byte count longwords. (Numbers are stored in M68000 form, high order byte first.) ------------------------------------------ FutureSound audio file, 15000 samples at 10.000KHz, file is 15048 bytes long. 0000: 464F524D 00003AC0 38535658 56484452 FORM..:.8SVXVHDR F O R M 15040 8 S V X V H D R 0010: 00000014 00003A98 00000000 00000000 ......:......... 20 15000 0 0 0020: 27100100 00010000 424F4459 00003A98 '.......BODY..:. 10000 1 0 1.0 B O D Y 15000 0000000..03 = "FORM", identifies this as an IFF format file. FORM+00..03 (ULONG) = number of bytes that follow. (Unsigned long int.) FORM+03..07 = "8SVX", identifies this as an 8-bit sampled voice. ????+00..03 = "VHDR", Voice8Header, describes the parameters for the BODY. VHDR+00..03 (ULONG) = number of bytes to follow. VHDR+04..07 (ULONG) = samples in the high octave 1-shot part. VHDR+08..0B (ULONG) = samples in the high octave repeat part. VHDR+0C..0F (ULONG) = samples per cycle in high octave (if repeating), else 0. VHDR+10..11 (UWORD) = samples per second. (Unsigned 16-bit quantity.) VHDR+12 (UBYTE) = number of octaves of waveforms in sample. VHDR+13 (UBYTE) = data compression (0=none, 1=Fibonacci-delta encoding). VHDR+14..17 (FIXED) = volume. (The number 65536 means 1.0 or full volume.) ????+00..03 = "BODY", identifies the start of the audio data. BODY+00..03 (ULONG) = number of bytes to follow. BODY+04..NNNNN = Data, signed bytes, from -128 to +127. 0030: 04030201 02030303 04050605 05060605 0040: 06080806 07060505 04020202 01FF0000 0050: 00000000 FF00FFFF FFFEFDFD FDFEFFFF 0060: FDFDFF00 00FFFFFF 00000000 00FFFF00 0070: 00000000 00FF0000 00FFFEFF 00000000 0080: 00010000 000101FF FF0000FE FEFFFFFE 0090: FDFDFEFD FDFFFFFC FDFEFDFD FEFFFEFE 00A0: FFFEFEFE FEFEFEFF FFFFFEFF 00FFFF01 This small section of the audio sample shows the number ranging from -5 (0xFD) to +8 (0x08). Warning: Do not assume that the BODY starts 48 bytes into the file. In addition to "VHDR", chunks labeled "NAME", "AUTH", "ANNO", or "(c) " may be present, and may be in any order. You will have to check the byte count in each chunk to determine how many bytes to skip. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Playing sound on a PC --------------------- From: Eric A Rasmussen Any turbo PC (8088 at 8 Mhz or greater)/286/386/486/etc. can produce a quality playback of single channel 8 bit sounds on the internal (1 bit, 1 channel) speaker by utilizing Pulse-Width-Modulation, which toggles the speaker faster than it can physically move to simulate positions between fully on and fully off. There are several PD programs of this nature that I know of: REMAC - Plays MAC format sound files. Files on the Macintosh, at least the sound files that I've ripped apart, seem to contain 3 parts. The first two are info like what the file icon looks like and other header type info. The third part contains the raw sample data, and it is this portion of the file which is saved to a seperate file, often named with the .snd extension by PC users. Personally, I like to name the files .s1, .s2, .s3, or .s4 to indicate the sampling rate of the file. (-s# is how to specify the playback rate in REMAC.) REMAC provides playback rates of 5550hz, 7333hz, 11 khz, & 22 khz. REMAC2 - Same as REMAC, but sounds better on higher speed machines. REPLAY - Basically same as REMAC, but for playback of Atari ST sounds. Apparently, the Atari has two sound formats, one of which sounds like garbage if played by REMAC or REPLAY in the incorrect mode. The other file format works fine with REMAC and so appears to be 'normal' unsigned 8-bit data. REPLAY provides playback rates of 11.5 khz, 12.5 khz, 14 khz, 16 khz, 18.5 khz, 22khz, & 27 khz. These three programs are all by the same author, Richard E. Zobell who does not have an internet mail address to my knowledge, but does have a GEnie email address of R.ZOBELL. Additionally, there are various stand-alone demos which use the internal speaker, of which there is one called mushroom which plays a 30 second advertising jingle for magic mushroom room deoderizers which is pretty humerous. I've used this player to playback samples that I ripped out of the commercial game program Mean Streets, which uses something they call RealSound (tm) to playback digital samples on the internal speaker. (Of course, I only do this on my own system, and since I own the game, I see no problems with it.) For owners of 8 Mhz 286's and above, the option to play 4 channel 8 bit sounds (with decent quality) on the internal speaker is also a reality. Quite a number of PD programs exist to do this, including, but not limited to: ModEdit, ModPlay, ScreamTracker, STM, Star Trekker, Tetra, and probably a few more. All these programs basically make use of various sound formats used by the Amiga line of computers. These include .stm files, .mod files [a.k.a. mod. files], and .nst files [really the same hing]. Also, these programs pretty much all have the option to playback the sound to add-on hardware such as the SoundBlaster card, the Covox series of devices, and also to direct the data to either one or two (for stereo) parallel ports, which you could attach your own D/A's to. (From what I have seen, the Covox is basically an small amplified speaker with a D/A which plugs into the parallel port. This sounds very similiar to the Disney Sound System (DSS) which people have been talking about recently.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The EA-IFF-85 documentation --------------------------- From: dgc3@midway.uchicago.edu As promised, here's an ftp location for the EA-IFF-85 documentation. It's the November 1988 release as revised by Commodore (the last public release), with specifications for IFF FORMs for graphics, sound, formatted text, and more. IFF FORMS now exist for other media, including structured drawing, and new documentation is now available only from Commodore. The documentation is at grind.isca.uiowa.edu [128.255.19.233], in the directory /amiga/f1/ff185. The complete file list is as follows: DOCUMENTS.zoo EXAMPLES.zoo EXECUTABLE.zoo INCLUDE.zoo LINKER_INFO.zoo OBJECT.zoo SOURCE.zoo TP_IFF_Specs.zoo All files except DOCUMENTS.zoo are Amiga-specific, but may be used as a basis for conversion to other platforms. Well, I take that tentatively back. I don't know what TP_IFF_Specs.zoo contains, so it might be non-Amiga-specific. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ US Federal Standard 1016 availability ------------------------------------- From: Joe Campbell N3JBC jpcampb@afterlife.ncsc.mil 74040.305@compuserve.com The U.S. DoD's Federal-Standard-1016 4800 bps code excited linear prediction voice coder version 3.2 (CELP 3.2) Fortran and C simulation source codes are now available for worldwide distribution at no charge (on DOS diskettes, but configured to compile on Sun SPARC stations) from: Bob Fenichel National Communications System Washington, D.C. 20305 1-703-692-2124 1-703-746-4960 (fax) In addition to the source codes, example input and processed speech files are included along with a technical information bulletin to assist in implementation of FS-1016 CELP. (An anonymous ftp site is being considered for future releases.) Copies of the FS-1016 document are available for $2.50 each from: GSA Rm 6654 7th & D St SW Washington, D.C. 20407 1-202-708-9205 The following articles describe the Federal-Standard-1016 4.8-kbps CELP coder (it's unnecessary to read more than one): Campbell, Joseph P. Jr., Thomas E. Tremain and Vanoy C. Welch, "The Federal Standard 1016 4800 bps CELP Voice Coder," Digital Signal Processing, Academic Press, 1991, Vol. 1, No. 3, p. 145-155. Campbell, Joseph P. Jr., Thomas E. Tremain and Vanoy C. Welch, "The DoD 4.8 kbps Standard (Proposed Federal Standard 1016)," in Advances in Speech Coding, ed. Atal, Cuperman and Gersho, Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1991, Chapter 12, p. 121-133. Campbell, Joseph P. Jr., Thomas E. Tremain and Vanoy C. Welch, "The Proposed Federal Standard 1016 4800 bps Voice Coder: CELP," Speech Technology Magazine, April/May 1990, p. 58-64. For U.S. FED-STD-1016 (4800 bps CELP) _realtime_ DSP code and information about products using this code, contact: John DellaMorte DSP Software Engineering 165 Middlesex Tpk, Suite 206 Bedford, MA 01730 1-617-275-3733 1-617-275-4323 (fax) dspse.bedford@channel1.com DSP Software Engineering's code can run on a DSP Research's Tiger 30 board (a PC board with a TMS320C3x and analog interface suited to development work) or on Intellibit's AE2000 TMS320C31 based 3" by 2.5" card. DSP Research Intellibit 1095 E. Duane Ave. P.O. Box 9785 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 McLean, VA 22102-0785 (408)773-1042 (703)442-4781 (408)736-3451 (fax) (703)442-4784 (fax) From: tobiasr@monolith.lrmsc.loral.com (Richard Tobias ) For U.S. FED-STD-1016 (4800 bps CELP) _realtime_ DSP code and information about products using this code using the AT&T DSP32C and AT&T DSP3210, contact: White Eagle Systems Technology, Inc. 1123 Queensbridge Way San Jose, CA 95120 (408) 997-2706 (408) 997-3584 (fax) rjjt@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Creative Voice (VOC) file format -------------------------------- From: galt@dsd.es.com (byte numbers are hex!) HEADER (bytes 00-19) Series of DATA BLOCKS (bytes 1A+) [Must end w/ Terminator Block] - --------------------------------------------------------------- HEADER: ======= byte # Description ------ ------------------------------------------ 00-12 "Creative Voice File" 13 1A (eof to abort printing of file) 14-15 Offset of first datablock in .voc file (std 1A 00 in Intel Notation) 16-17 Version number (minor,major) (VOC-HDR puts 0A 01) 18-19 2's Comp of Ver. # + 1234h (VOC-HDR puts 29 11) - --------------------------------------------------------------- DATA BLOCK: =========== Data Block: TYPE(1-byte), SIZE(3-bytes), INFO(0+ bytes) NOTE: Terminator Block is an exception -- it has only the TYPE byte. TYPE Description Size (3-byte int) Info ---- ----------- ----------------- ----------------------- 00 Terminator (NONE) (NONE) 01 Sound data 2+length of data * 02 Sound continue length of data Voice Data 03 Silence 3 ** 04 Marker 2 Marker# (2 bytes) 05 ASCII length of string null terminated string 06 Repeat 2 Count# (2 bytes) 07 End repeat 0 (NONE) *Sound Info Format: **Silence Info Format: --------------------- ---------------------------- 00 Sample Rate 00-01 Length of silence - 1 01 Compression Type 02 Sample Rate 02+ Voice Data Marker# -- Driver keeps the most recent marker in a status byte Count# -- Number of repetitions + 1 Count# may be 1 to FFFE for 0 - FFFD repetitions or FFFF for endless repetitions Sample Rate -- SR byte = 256-(1000000/sample_rate) Length of silence -- in units of sampling cycle Compression Type -- of voice data 8-bits = 0 4-bits = 1 2.6-bits = 2 2-bits = 3 Multi DAC = 3+(# of channels) [interesting-- this isn't in the developer's manual] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RIFF WAVE (.WAV) file format ---------------------------- RIFF is a format by Microsoft and IBM which is similar in spirit and functionality as EA-IFF-85, but not compatible (and it's in little-endian byte order, of course :-). WAVE is RIFF's equivalent of AIFF, and its inclusion in Microsoft Windows 3.1 has suddenly made it important to know about. Rob Ryan was kind enough to send me a description of the RIFF format. Unfortunately, it is too big to include here (27 k), but I've made it available for anonymous ftp as ftp.cwi.nl:/pub/RIFF-format. And here's a pointer to the official description from Matt Saettler, Microsoft Multimedia: "The complete definition of the WAVE file format as defined by IBM/Microsoft is available for anon. FTP from ftp.uu.net in the vendor/microsoft/multimedia directory." (Rob Ryan's version may actually be an extract from one of the files stored there.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ U-LAW and A-LAW definitions --------------------------- [Adapted from information provided by duggan@cc.gatech.edu (Rick Duggan) and davep@zenobia.phys.unsw.EDU.AU (David Perry)] u-LAW (really mu-LAW) is sgn(m) ( |m |) |m | y= ------- ln( 1+ u|--|) |--| =< 1 ln(1+u) ( |mp|) |mp| A-LAW is | A (m ) |m | 1 | ------- (--) |--| =< - | 1+ln A (mp) |mp| A y=| | sgn(m) ( |m |) 1 |m | | ------ ( 1+ ln A|--|) - =< |--| =< 1 | 1+ln A ( |mp|) A |mp| Values of u=100 and 255, A=87.6, mp is the Peak message value, m is the current quantised message value. (The formulae get simpler if you substitute x for m/mp and sgn(x) for sgn(m); then -1 <= x <= 1.) Converting from u-LAW to A-LAW is in a sense "lossy" since there are quantizing errors introduced in the conversion. "..the u-LAW used in North America and Japan, and the A-LAW used in Europe and the rest of the world and international routes.." References: Modern Digital and Analog Communication Systems, B.P.Lathi., 2nd ed. ISBN 0-03-027933-X Transmission Systems for Communications Fifth Edition by Members of the Technical Staff at Bell Telephone Laboratories Bell Telephone Laboratories, Incorporated Copyright 1959, 1964, 1970, 1982 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AVR File Format --------------- From: hyc@hanauma.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Howard Chu) A lot of PD software exists to play Mac .snd files on the ST. One other format that seems pretty popular (used by a number of commercial packages) is the AVR format (from Audio Visual Research). This format has a 128 byte header that looks like this: char magic[4]="2BIT"; char name[8]; /* null-padded sample name */ short mono; /* 0 = mono, 0xffff = stereo */ short rez; /* 8 = 8 bit, 16 = 16 bit */ short sign; /* 0 = unsigned, 0xffff = signed */ short loop; /* 0 = no loop, 0xffff = looping sample */ short midi; /* 0xffff = no MIDI note assigned, 0xffXX = single key note assignment 0xLLHH = key split, low/hi note */ long rate; /* sample frequency in hertz */ long size; /* sample length in bytes or words (see rez) */ long lbeg; /* offset to start of loop in bytes or words. set to zero if unused. */ long lend; /* offset to end of loop in bytes or words. set to sample length if unused. */ short res1; /* Reserved, MIDI keyboard split */ short res2; /* Reserved, sample compression */ short res3; /* Reserved */ char ext[20]; /* Additional filename space, used if (name[7] != 0) */ char user[64]; /* User defined. Typically ASCII message. */ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Amiga MOD Format -------------------- From: norlin@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Norman Lin) MOD files are music files containing 2 parts: (1) a bank of digitized samples (2) sequencing information describing how and when to play the samples MOD files originated on the Amiga, but because of their flexibility and the extremely large number of MOD files available, MOD players are now available for a variety of machines (IBM PC, Mac, Sparc Station, etc.) The samples in a MOD file are raw, 8 bit, signed, headerless, linear digital data. There may be up to 31 distinct samples in a MOD file, each with a length of up to 128K (though most are much smaller; say, 10K - 60K). An older MOD format only allowed for up to 15 samples in a MOD file; you don't see many of these anymore. There is no standard sampling rate for these samples. The sequencing information in a MOD file contains 4 tracks of information describing which, when, for how long, and at what frequency samples should be played. This means that a MOD file can have up to 31 distinct (digitized) instrument sounds, with up to 4 playing simultaneously at any given point. This allows a wide variety of orchestrational possibilities, including use of voice samples or creation of one's own instruments (with appropriate sampling hardware/software). The ability to use one's own samples as instruments is a flexibility that other music files/formats do not share, and is one of the reasons MOD files are so popular, numerous, and diverse. 15 instrument MODs, as noted above, are somewhat older than 31 instrument MODs and are not (at least not by me) seen very often anymore. Their format is identical to that of 31 instrument MODs except: (1) Since there are only 15 samples, the information for the last (15th) sample starts at byte 440 and goes through byte 469. (2) The songlength is at byte 470 (contrast with byte 950 in 31 instrument MOD) (3) Byte 471 appears to be ignored, but has been observed to be 127. (Sorry, this is from observation only) (4) Byte 472 begins the pattern sequence table (contrast with byte 952 in a 31 instrument MOD) (5) Patterns start at byte 600 (contrast with byte 1084 in 31 instrument MOD) "ProTracker," an Amiga MOD file creator/editor, is available for ftp everywhere as pt??.lzh. From: Apollo Wong From: M.J.H.Cox@bradford.ac.uk (Mark Cox) Newsgroups: alt.sb.programmer Subject: Re: Format for MOD files... Message-ID: <1992Mar18.103608.4061@bradford.ac.uk> Date: 18 Mar 92 10:36:08 GMT Organization: University of Bradford, UK wdc50@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Winthrop D Chan) writes: >I'd like to know if anyone has a reference document on the format of the >Amiga Sound/NoiseTracker (MOD) files. The author of Modplay said he was going >to release such a document sometime last year, but he never did. If anyone I found this one, which covers it better than I can explain it - if you use this in conjunction with the documentation that comes with Norman Lin's Modedit program it should pretty much cover it. Mark J Cox /*********************************************************************** Protracker 1.1B Song/Module Format: ----------------------------------- Offset Bytes Description ------ ----- ----------- 0 20 Songname. Remember to put trailing null bytes at the end... Information for sample 1-31: Offset Bytes Description ------ ----- ----------- 20 22 Samplename for sample 1. Pad with null bytes. 42 2 Samplelength for sample 1. Stored as number of words. Multiply by two to get real sample length in bytes. 44 1 Lower four bits are the finetune value, stored as a signed four bit number. The upper four bits are not used, and should be set to zero. Value: Finetune: 0 0 1 +1 2 +2 3 +3 4 +4 5 +5 6 +6 7 +7 8 -8 9 -7 A -6 B -5 C -4 D -3 E -2 F -1 45 1 Volume for sample 1. Range is $00-$40, or 0-64 decimal. 46 2 Repeat point for sample 1. Stored as number of words offset from start of sample. Multiply by two to get offset in bytes. 48 2 Repeat Length for sample 1. Stored as number of words in loop. Multiply by two to get replen in bytes. Information for the next 30 samples starts here. It's just like the info for sample 1. Offset Bytes Description ------ ----- ----------- 50 30 Sample 2... 80 30 Sample 3... . . . 890 30 Sample 30... 920 30 Sample 31... Offset Bytes Description ------ ----- ----------- 950 1 Songlength. Range is 1-128. 951 1 Well... this little byte here is set to 127, so that old trackers will search through all patterns when loading. Noisetracker uses this byte for restart, but we don't. 952 128 Song positions 0-127. Each hold a number from 0-63 that tells the tracker what pattern to play at that position. 1080 4 The four letters "M.K." - This is something Mahoney & Kaktus inserted when they increased the number of samples from 15 to 31. If it's not there, the module/song uses 15 samples or the text has been removed to make the module harder to rip. Startrekker puts "FLT4" or "FLT8" there instead. Offset Bytes Description ------ ----- ----------- 1084 1024 Data for pattern 00. . . . xxxx Number of patterns stored is equal to the highest patternnumber in the song position table (at offset 952-1079). Each note is stored as 4 bytes, and all four notes at each position in the pattern are stored after each other. 00 - chan1 chan2 chan3 chan4 01 - chan1 chan2 chan3 chan4 02 - chan1 chan2 chan3 chan4 etc. Info for each note: _____byte 1_____ byte2_ _____byte 3_____ byte4_ / \ / \ / \ / \ 0000 0000-00000000 0000 0000-00000000 Upper four 12 bits for Lower four Effect command. bits of sam- note period. bits of sam- ple number. ple number. Periodtable for Tuning 0, Normal C-1 to B-1 : 856,808,762,720,678,640,604,570,538,508,480,453 C-2 to B-2 : 428,404,381,360,339,320,302,285,269,254,240,226 C-3 to B-3 : 214,202,190,180,170,160,151,143,135,127,120,113 To determine what note to show, scan through the table until you find the same period as the one stored in byte 1-2. Use the index to look up in a notenames table. This is the data stored in a normal song. A packed song starts with the four letters "PACK", but i don't know how the song is packed: You can get the source code for the cruncher/decruncher from us if you need it, but I don't understand it; I've just ripped it from another tracker... In a module, all the samples are stored right after the patterndata. To determine where a sample starts and stops, you use the sampleinfo structures in the beginning of the file (from offset 20). Take a look at the mt_init routine in the playroutine, and you'll see just how it is done. Lars "ZAP" Hamre/Amiga Freelancers ***********************************************************************/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 16 15:56:33 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88183-1>; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 15:56:25 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <389>; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 15:47:49 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 15:46 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 15:39 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 93 15:45 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: new chip for Sseries To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 15:45:09 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I have heard some stories about a new CPU chip (80186 or 8096 on steroids?) developed by Roland to speed up the S770 series of samplers by a factor of 30%. This speed increase apparently being in Midi data processing speed, sample trigger time, and sample data editing/DSP effects. This rumour came to me via e-mail from some sgroupies in Britain, which I read in the recent e-mail archives of the sgroup. I have heard this story from more than a few sources, but I was wondering if anyone knew of this in the USA ?? Does anyone know if this CPU upgrade will be available for S-550 or S-50, etc. owners ?? Is it even true ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 17 09:54:05 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 09:54:02 -0400 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 09:49:25 -0400 Received: from banana (banana.msfc.nasa.gov) by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA29865; Tue, 17 Aug 93 08:48:56 CDT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 09:48:56 -0400 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9308171348.AA29865@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: new chip for Sseries Status: R Hmmm... The S750 series already has an 80186 as the control processor (well, an 80C196, but it's functionally the same chip). Maybe they're upgrading them with an 80386? (But I don't think that would work without software changes...) Dave From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 17 10:25:22 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 10:25:10 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 10:21:25 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA20960; Tue, 17 Aug 93 16:20:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 10:20:06 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9308171420.AA20960@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: new chip for Sseries Status: R > upgrading them with an 80386? Well, if they did that, you would get more than a 30% increase in performance. However, my Roland rep is quite willing to sell me one of these upgrades, though he doesn't know the price yet (last I checked) Cheers, 7 h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 17 11:35:26 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 11:35:18 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 11:30:50 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 11:21 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: .smp files To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 11:21:37 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Well, I have converted a bunch more .AIFF samples (Amiga/Apple) from the Ensoniq EPS ftp site ftp.reed.edu into SampleVision .SMP samples for DOS. They are a bunch of techno & rap beats mostly, all have fairly good sampling quality and punchy bass. My question is, how many sgroupies out there have SampleVision ?? I think that judging from the number of people who have been responding to the recent SOX/SampleVision issues, there are a fair amount of you who have or have access to SampleVision. I think that we should be using SampleVision more often for our sample uploading and downloading to and from the lotus ftp site. This way, it is much easier to keep track of individual samples such as "TR808KICK.SMP" rather than a whole samdisk such as "MYSTUFF8_16_93.SDK". Don't get me wrong, I like samdisk a lot, but it could be faster and easier to also use SampleVision .SMP files to ftp (or e-mail) upload and download to lotus. I don't see why we have to store a whole samdisk at about 700k bytes with all the patch data and extra parameters, when all we really want is the sample data itself. We could fit a lot more samples on the ftp site, by just using the SampleVision .SMP files. I'm sure people who don't have SampleVision will disagree with me, I don't mean to start a flame war here. But again, for the amount of cool things that SampleVision does for you, I think it is well worth the mere $85 or so that it now costs. For those who have S770 series samplers, we still have to use samdisk too, because SampleVision unfortunately does not support the S770 series. (I don't know why) Also, Please comment more on the new CPU upgrade for Roland samplers -- --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 17 12:05:30 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 12:05:26 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 12:05:10 -0400 Received: from amway.ch.apollo.hp.com ([15.254.24.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 12:02:16 -0400 Received: from clue.ch.apollo.hp.com by amway.ch.apollo.hp.com id Tue, 17 Aug 93 12:01:31 EDT Received: by showroom.ch.apollo.hp.com id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 12:01:30 -0400 From: patmc@apollo.hp.com Subject: .smp file format? To: sgroup@lotus Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 12:01:29 -0400 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Message-Id: <93Aug17.120216edt.388@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Does anyone know the internal format of SampleVision files? It might not be that hard to make a utility to convert between SampleVision and S50 file formats. Pat McElhatton From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 17 12:34:02 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 12:33:49 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <389>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 12:30:36 -0400 Received: from tinton.ccur.com (via tinton.tinton.ccur.com) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA11976; Tue, 17 Aug 93 12:30:07 -0400 Received: from cantor by tinton.tinton.ccur.com SMTP/TCP Channel id aa21504; 17 Aug 93 12:29 EDT Subject: Re: .smp files To: David Wilson Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 12:29:15 -0400 From: Keith O McConnell Cc: Roland Sampler SIG In-Reply-To: ; from "David Wilson" at Aug 17, 93 11:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9308171229.aa10268@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Status: R > I think > that we should be using SampleVision more often for our sample uploading > and downloading to and from the lotus ftp site. OK, I'll bite! I'm excited about the possibilities you've uncovered here! It seems that we've found a way to convert between many different formats. Correct me if I'm wrong, but us poor Mac users cannot join in on the festivities, true? In the last poll, there was a pretty good distribution of Mac users to PC users. Please don't leave us out in the dust! -- /=======================================================================\ | Keith McConnell | | Compilers and Tools Group ________ | | Oceanport, NJ / _____/__ | | /__/____/ / | | e-mail: kom@tinton.ccur.com Concurrent /_______/ | | Voice: (908) 870-4983 Computer Corporation | \=======================================================================/ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 17 13:23:43 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 13:23:32 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <389>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 13:17:45 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:19 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:12 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:18 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: .smp file format To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 13:18:15 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Just a reminder to those interested about who knows the formats of all these various sound file types we have been blabbing about: I uploaded the source code to SOX for DOS (or any OS for that matter) to the lotus ftp site. Unzip it and you have .C files and .H include files for ALL the popular sound file formats .SMP, .AIFF, .WAV, .VOC, .IFF, .SND, etc. See the file "smp.c" for SampleVision files and also see "8svx.c" or "aiff.c" for Amiga files. It has all the data structures, headers, etc. for SampleVision files. If that is still not suitable, then someone could fax or scan/e-mail the page out of the SampleVision manual which also gives the specs for the .SMP file format and e-mail it to J.M. Sellens at lotus. By the way, even though I'm always harping on about the Amiga samples, I don't actually have an Amiga, I have a 386. I just steal the Amiga samples :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 17 13:49:42 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88183-3>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 13:49:30 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:49:23 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 13:43:45 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:45 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:38 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:44 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: hacker mode again !! To: sgroup@lotus (Roland Group) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 13:44:11 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I know this topic has probably been beaten to death by now, but I haven't been in the sgroup for very long so I haven't added my 2 cents worth on this topic. Is there any S-550 owner out there who has had a SCSI upgrade or any service done on their sampler and obtained or had access to the method of initiating the infamous "hacker" mode ?? I read the posting by the W-30 owner who revealed the secret of getting into hacker mode on the W-30, he found out by getting the technical instructions for installing a SCSI hard drive and controller, I think ? I would like any S-550 or S-50 owner who may have any ideas to post this info to sgroup or e-mail me directly. I would like access to the advanced system troubleshooting and sample/tone parameters. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 17 16:48:29 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 16:48:17 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 17 Aug 93 16:48:15 -0400 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com ([192.100.81.113]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 16:43:15 -0400 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA15376; Tue, 17 Aug 93 13:43:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 16:43:05 -0400 From: ribbit@netcom.com (Tony Mason) Message-Id: <9308172043.AA15376@netcom5.netcom.com> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: S-50 Questions Status: R Hello, I'm curious if there's anyone still out there using a S-50 sampler. I've got a few questions and problems I've had no luck getting answers for. My disk drive either needs to be aligned or replaced. I need suggestions for a dealer in the San Diego, CA area that might help? How much might this run? I also seem to have an ancient Operating System - mine is Version 1.0. Have there been updates? I'd like to find the last version made if it's available anywhere. Help! :) I'm also looking for sample disks - I've gotten the stuff form the archive, and I have the samdisk program. The only real sampling I've done is I looted my old DDD-1 drum machine and it's 4 sound cards before I sold it. Are there people out there who'd be willing to trade? I'd love to get some of the sounds listed in the archive as well but I haven't gotten a response from the person you send disks to. Any help/comments/chatting is welcomed, you can e-mail me directly at ribbit@netcom.com. Tony From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 17 17:17:35 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 17:17:27 -0400 Received: from husc8.harvard.edu ([128.103.25.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <389>; Tue, 17 Aug 1993 17:12:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1993 17:11:06 -0400 From: henrik@husc.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9308172111.AA11197@husc8.harvard.edu> To: ribbit@netcom.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S-50 Questions Status: R I'm using an S-50, and have V2.0 on my disks. If you send me a floppy and a mailer, I can copy the newer OS onto it for you. You can send it to: Larry DeLuca 26 Malden St. Watertown, MA 02172 larry... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 18 05:03:17 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Wed, 18 Aug 1993 05:03:12 -0400 Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk ([132.146.5.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Wed, 18 Aug 1993 04:59:39 -0400 Received: from einstein.axion.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 18 Aug 1993 09:59:11 +0100 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: SOX and S330 Files Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 04:59:08 -0400 From: The Wizard of ID (Andy Gray) Message-Id: <93Aug18.045939edt.388@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Having used SOX for a while to create NeXT sound files I now want to experiment with S330 files. Has anyone tried getting a bog standard sound file (eg Sun, NeXT, etc) with no loops or frills and then putting it onto a disk ready for the sampler's consumption? I can already read and write S330 disks after a fashion. Obviously the 40 second jobs at 44.1k stereo are not going to be taken too seriously by the S330, but others might. Some of the tools I have are useful on the big black box and save time on the little black box, but they work on different animals. Presumably working with a 12 bit sample is not going to be one of the standard SOX tricks. Any thoughts via the group or email would be welcome. ^__^ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ (- 0) Andy <*,*> <*,*> <*,*> <*,*> <*,*> | \/ | [`-'] [`-'] [`-'] [`-'] [`-'] \ / NeXTMail Welcome -"-"- -"-"- -"-"- -"-"- -"-"- ====^^====================================================================== \/ Software Technology Division, SSTF/306, British Telecom Research Labs., Martlesham Heath, Ipswich IP5 7RE, U.K. Andy Gray Tel: +44 473 646647 e-mail: agray@axion.bt.co.uk "It does not do to leave a dragon out of your calculation, if you live near him." J.R.R.Tolkein ============================================================================ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 18 14:10:15 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Wed, 18 Aug 1993 14:10:11 -0400 Received: from gsusgi2.gsu.edu ([131.96.1.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Wed, 18 Aug 1993 14:06:02 -0400 Received: by gsusgi2.gsu.edu (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca id AA19324; Wed, 18 Aug 93 14:11:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 14:06:50 -0400 From: Roth Ritter Subject: 12-bit Conversions from W30 -> S330? To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Has anyone had any success or have any ideas how to convert disks in the W30 format to S330/550? I don't have Sample Vision or anything like that, but I was wondering if it were possible some other way. I thought that the W30 format was almost the same as the 550, but my 330 won't recognize it. The parameters are almost identical so I wouldn't think there would be a lot of differences. Any help/comments appreciated. Thanks. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Roth Ritter :: :: >> artcrrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu << :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Georgia State University Art & Music :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 18 14:33:04 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Wed, 18 Aug 1993 14:32:59 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com ([192.67.245.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <389>; Wed, 18 Aug 1993 14:29:21 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 18 Aug 93 14:31 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Wed, 18 Aug 93 14:24 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 18 Aug 93 14:30 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@rnd220 (UNIXMAN) Subject: Roland news To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 14:30:40 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Well, I have some interesting news here. I just talked with Jim Norman (Samplers) and Eddie Jay (Parts and Service) at Roland. He asked me if I was in the sgroup when I said I was on the Internet and he said he had even received my recent "complaints to Roland" e-mail. Jim wants me to mail him a DOS floppy with "samdisk.exe" and any other of our shareware goodies from the sgroup. He is trying to convince and show the people at Roland that there is a big user base of 12-bit S-series owners out there. He said Roland is going to be on CompuServe by the end of this month for on-line product support, etc. He is considering using samdisk.exe for transmitting samples from CompuServe to PC's (your name in lights, Pete Lyall). I am trying to get the info on how to get into hacker mode on the S-series samplers, I wanted the S-550 and S-50 in particular, since I am trying to hack the hell out of the OS and/or sample data. He is supposed to get back to me on this info and also if they will be making any technical manuals/code available to us hackers. He said this is all new to Roland, all this demand for techie stuff and access to materials. He said they are well aware of the amount of S-550 owners, etc. who want technical and product support. Does everyone who put the freeware stuff on lotus agree with me sending their source code or executables to Jim Norman at Roland ?? I hope so, we could be making some progress here. I also asked Jim Norman about the new clock oscillator crystal upgrade for the S-770 (only S7xx series, not S-550 series) which makes the CPU run faster. He said it is about $250 or in that ballpark, apparently it is not well-known yet, even at Roland USA. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 19 06:14:28 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 06:14:15 -0400 Received: from leonis.nus.sg ([137.132.10.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 06:10:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (law23718@localhost) by leonis.nus.sg (8.2/8.2) id SAA22908; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 18:10:25 +0800 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 06:07:33 -0400 From: LIM CHIN PING Subject: where is George Demarest? To: UNIXMAN cc: Roland Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R has anybody seen George Demarest (the sgroup sample librarian) anywhere? i've been e-mailing him but there's no reply. i haven't been on the Net for a few weeks & my userID has changed, so i really haven't heard anyting from him. basically, i want my diskettes back! George, if you see this, please e-mail me. ---------------------- BENJAMIN law23718@leonis.nus.sg National University of Singapore From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 19 09:17:57 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 09:17:44 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Aug 93 09:17:35 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <389>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 09:14:34 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22035; Thu, 19 Aug 93 07:09:14 MDT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 09:09:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9308191309.AA22035@gateway.univel.com> From: George_Demarest@univel.COM To: sgroup@lotus Subject: to Benjamin Content-Length: 857 Content-Type: text Status: R Benjamin, Repeated attempts to return your e-mail has apparently failed. I have your disks, I am currently working on them,, but I am having difficulty with my S-330. It is currently being serviced. I will send out your disks as soon as possible. Sorry to take up bandwidth, but I have tried numerous replies (and since I got no bounces, I assumed you got my mail. Apologies all around. gfd > has anybody seen George Demarest (the sgroup sample librarian) anywhere? > i've been e-mailing him but there's no reply. i haven't been on the Net > for a few weeks & my userID has changed, so i really haven't heard anyting > from him. basically, i want my diskettes back! > > George, if you see this, please e-mail me. > > ---------------------- > BENJAMIN > law23718@leonis.nus.sg > National University > of Singapore From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 19 09:57:37 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 09:57:31 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Aug 93 09:57:19 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <390>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 09:53:42 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22330; Thu, 19 Aug 93 07:48:12 MDT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 09:48:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9308191348.AA22330@gateway.univel.com> From: George_Demarest@univel.COM To: ribbit@netcom.com Cc: sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: Samples Content-Length: 560 Content-Type: text Status: R Tony, (and sgroovies) I have ceased activities as librarian. I'm sorry to be so abrupt about this, but I am just unable to do this right (just ask Benjamin :-). I am actively pursuing a successor for this. Don't touch that dial! George End-of-an-Era Demarest > To: univel.COM!george_demarest > Subject: Samples > Status: R > > Hello, > > I also sent you mail a few days ago which didn't get a reply. Basically > I wanted to make sure you still existed before sending off disks! :) > Is you address the same as what's in the archives? > > Tony > From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 19 14:49:14 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 14:49:06 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 14:45:23 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA17894 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Thu, 19 Aug 1993 14:45:04 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 19 Aug 93 14:47 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: Roland letter To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 14:47:43 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Just thought you guys might be interested to read the letter I just wrote to Jim Norman at Roland after speaking with him on the phone: I think it covers most of the bases. ------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson UNIX/Networks Systems Programmer Knight-Ridder 75 Wall St. NYC NY 10005 Electrical Engineering student Polytechnic University, NYC NY phone: 212-504-7845 (work) fax: 212-504-7819 (work) Internet e-mail: davidw@krf.com Jim Norman August 18, 1993 Roland Sampler Specialist Roland Corp. Los Angeles CA Regarding our recent telephone conversation on August 18th, 1993, enclosed you will find various public domain MS-DOS programs and programming source code for use with the Roland S-550, S-330, S-50, W-30, and S-770 series samplers. These programs have been developed by Roland users around the world and contributed to the Internet Roland sampler user's group "sgroup" located at the FTP site entitled "lotus.uwaterloo.ca" (internet address 129.97.140.9). The programs are used primarily to make DOS disk images of the Roland sampler disks for backup and storage on IBM PC's and to allow Roland sampler user's to exchange Roland samples and patch data with one another. It allows user's to make DOS copies of Roland disks and upload or download them to remote computers via the Internet or any traditional modem-based Bulletin Board system. Some C programming language source code files are also enclosed. These files contain utility programs to read the Roland sampler disks on an MS-DOS IBM PC and print out the complete contents of the Roland disk. It also reads the raw 12-bit Roland sample data off of the disks and converts it to raw 8-bit sample data for use with other sample data conversion programs. This allows Roland users to convert Roland samples into samples for use with IBM PC soundcards such as the SoundBlaster or for use with Commodore Amiga computer digital audio devices. Enclosed you will also find the public domain sample file converter program called "SOX". This program is also used by many Roland sampler users to convert samples from many other computers and soundcards such as SUN workstations, Commodore Amiga, Apple, IBM PC SoundBlaster and Microsoft .WAV files, etc. into SampleVision .SMP files. The SampleVision PC sample editing package is then used to upload the samples into Roland S-550, S-50, and S-330 samplers via MIDI. I would like to stress the importance of the need for both product and, more importantly, technical support for the Roland S-550 series of samplers. There is a large user base of Roland 12-bit S-series sampler owners around the world. The very existence of the Roland sampler user's group "sgroup" on the Internet is evident that there are a lot of computers/electronics professionals who are interested in using and developing their own software and hardware for the Roland S-series samplers. We would like to show Roland that the need and desire for technical product support from a developer perspective is great. Roland should look at the success of popular IBM PC soundcard manufacturers such as Creative Lab's SoundBlaster and the tremendous wealth of technical reference material available for such devices. Although we Roland product owners/hackers are mostly pleased with your products, most sgroup members in particular would like to have a lot more access to technical reference material for development purposes. While we respect Roland's product support staff as knowledgable and informative from a general "how to use this product" perspective, there seems to be a great lack of access to advanced technical information and hardware or operating systems level information pertaining to Roland samplers or synths. In particular, I would like to see Roland make the circuit diagrams, the operating systems specifications and source code, and possibly any additional technical reference material available to advanced users and technical professionals. In particular, as a developer I need access to advanced systems diagnostics modes and sample/tone parameter trouble shooting features in the undocumented Roland S-550 "hacker" mode. I understand Roland's standpoint of not wanting most ordinary users to have access to advanced features or technical information that may cause them to encounter problems with their purchase. However, in the case of a product line such as the S-550, which has been discontinued, this information should be made available. The S-550 was an expensive purchase for most users such as myself. My main interest in the unit was from a technical & hacking perspective, rather than a purely musical one. Because I can't get seem to get cooperation from Roland in getting technical product specifications and materials support (as I certainly would from any traditional computer industry products manufacturer), I am very dissatisfied with my purchase of the Roland S-550 sampler from this standpoint. I hope these programs give you (and Roland Corp.) and idea of the desire for us stranded S-550, S-330, S-50, and W-30 owners and hackers to extend the usefulness and product life cycle of our Roland samplers. If you wish to discontinue a product which was supposed to get continuous Operating Systems upgrades, then please make the Operating system code, specs, circuit schematics available to those owners and technical users who CAN and want to provide upgrades and enhancements. Closed systems and lack of developer and product support DO NOT sell in today's market. Third-party product support and enhancements are extremely popular today as well as being almost a standard feature in most of today's computer industry products. As I mentioned, the SoundBlaster PC sound card is thriving due to the tremendous amount of technical specifications, source code, drivers, schematics, etc. made available by it's parent company, Creative Labs (who also recently bought out and now owns synth manufacturer E-mu Systems !!) I like most of Roland's products, but I would like to see these specific issues reflected in Roland's future. I hope the enclosed programs and source code will be of use to you in presenting to Roland the need and desire of many Roland owners/hackers to continue to support the S-series samplers and other Roland synthesizers or by allowing Roland's customers to participate in the third-party support and further development of S-series samplers. Sincerely, David J. Wilson B.S. Computer Science Future M.S. Electrical Engineering --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 19 18:53:52 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 18:53:49 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 18:49:45 -0400 Received: from tinton.ccur.com (via tinton.tinton.ccur.com) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA18030; Thu, 19 Aug 93 18:49:35 -0400 Received: from cantor by tinton.tinton.ccur.com SMTP/TCP Channel id aa15055; 19 Aug 93 18:47 EDT Subject: Re: Roland letter To: David Wilson Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 18:47:06 -0400 From: Keith O McConnell Cc: Roland Sampler SIG In-Reply-To: ; from "David Wilson" at Aug 19, 93 2:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Message-Id: <9308191847.aa12146@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Status: R > These programs have been developed by Roland users around the world > and contributed to the Internet Roland sampler user's group "sgroup" > located at the FTP site entitled "lotus.uwaterloo.ca" (internet > address 129.97.140.9). The programs are used primarily to make DOS > disk images of the Roland sampler disks for backup and storage on IBM PC's What is SMAC? Chopped liver!? There was a set of utilities written by Terje Finstad on lotus.uwaterloo.ca in pub/sgroup/utilities which lets a Mac read and write Roland sound disks and samdisk files. Please include this in your list of utilities being sent to Roland! The Mac is important to many people doing music, and by omitting utilities such as these, you are doing a disservice to the Mac community. Keith -- /=======================================================================\ | Keith McConnell | | Compilers and Tools Group ________ | | Oceanport, NJ / _____/__ | | /__/____/ / | | e-mail: kom@tinton.ccur.com Concurrent /_______/ | | Voice: (908) 870-4983 Computer Corporation | \=======================================================================/ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 19 20:23:22 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 20:23:16 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Aug 93 20:23:11 -0400 Received: from gsusgi2.gsu.edu ([131.96.1.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <389>; Thu, 19 Aug 1993 20:20:10 -0400 Received: by gsusgi2.gsu.edu (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca id AA06674; Thu, 19 Aug 93 20:25:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 20:23:40 -0400 From: Roth Ritter Subject: Re: Roland letter To: Keith O McConnell Cc: David Wilson , Roland Sampler SIG In-Reply-To: <9308191847.aa12146@cantor.tinton.ccur.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Thu, 19 Aug 1993, Keith O McConnell wrote: > > These programs have been developed by Roland users around the world > > and contributed to the Internet Roland sampler user's group "sgroup" > > located at the FTP site entitled "lotus.uwaterloo.ca" (internet > > address 129.97.140.9). The programs are used primarily to make DOS > > disk images of the Roland sampler disks for backup and storage on IBM PC's > > What is SMAC? Chopped liver!? There was a set of utilities written by > Terje Finstad on lotus.uwaterloo.ca in pub/sgroup/utilities which lets > a Mac read and write Roland sound disks and samdisk files. Please include > this in your list of utilities being sent to Roland! The Mac is important > to many people doing music, and by omitting utilities such as these, you > are doing a disservice to the Mac community. > Oh yes!! I'd be LOST without SMAC.. ***PLEASE*** DON'T forget smac... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 20 08:51:51 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 08:51:49 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:51:44 -0400 Received: from telco.com ([192.190.11.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 08:43:55 -0400 Received: from telcofs.TELCO.COM ([129.200.1.200]) by telco.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-NEARnet) id AA22450; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:45:07 EDT Received: from telco9.TELCO.COM by telcofs.TELCO.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23556; Fri, 20 Aug 93 08:42:52 EDT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 08:42:52 -0400 From: mchugh@telco.com (Mike McHugh) Message-Id: <9308201242.AA23556@telcofs.TELCO.COM> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: Roland letter & SMAC Cc: mchugh@telcofs.telco.com Status: R Just a note from another satisfied SMAC user, who also does not want SMAC to be excluded from the contribution to Roland. Terje has done a great job. Mike From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 20 11:40:23 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-3>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 11:40:17 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <390>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 11:36:47 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA00881 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Fri, 20 Aug 1993 11:36:16 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 93 10:36 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 93 10:29 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 93 10:35 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: ftp permissionfor SMAC To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 10:35:44 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R A lot of people have been barking at me for not including SMAC in my disk and letter to Roland, as I said it is due to me not being able to download the file from lotus.uwaterloo.ca because of read-write permissions for FTP. Would J.M Sellens please either e-mail me the "SMAC" program or change the read-write permissions on the file on lotus and notify me so I can then FTP download it? If I don't include it in my disk for Roland, then this Macintosh mafia is going to send a hitman to snuff me out. If I don't get this god-damn program, then I am going to have to "SMACk" somebody !! ;-) J.M Sellens to the rescue, please !! -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 20 11:44:15 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 11:44:08 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 20 Aug 93 11:44:04 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <391>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 11:39:54 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA00899 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Fri, 20 Aug 1993 11:36:25 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 93 11:14 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 93 11:07 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 93 11:13 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: AAAAGGHHH! To: sgroup@lotus (Roland Group) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 11:13:49 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R All right, All right already, the next person who flames me about the Macintosh programs is going to get my HP-UX and SVR4.2 kernels uuencoded and mailed to them in a while(1) loop :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 20 17:55:11 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 17:55:06 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ([13.1.64.93]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <392>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 17:48:41 -0400 Received: from Taylor.OSBU_South.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <11793>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 14:48:06 PDT X-NS-Transport-ID: 0000AA001473578D302E Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 17:47:50 -0400 From: Donald_C._Tycholis.ESCP10@xerox.com Subject: Re: ftp permissionfor SMAC In-Reply-to: To: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-ID: <"20-Aug-93 14:47:38".*.Donald_C._Tycholis.ESCP10@Xerox.com> Status: R David, You deserve a sound thrashing with a wet noodle for your not being mac-sensitive (hey, I wonder if you can sue for mac-harassment ? ;-). Otherwise, kudos applause and flowers your way for taking the time to do what the rest of us should have done but we are just *so* busy being productive at work (yeah, right). best, don PS - mac folks, it`s just a joke; I`m *not* biased. (I`ve got an Atari, a Mac and a 486 at home, plus a Powerbook, HP Omnibook, and a SparcStation2 at work. They are all special in their own way :-) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 20 22:05:23 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 22:05:12 -0400 Received: from shiva.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.20.34]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <388>; Fri, 20 Aug 1993 22:01:58 -0400 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by shiva.trl.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA05810 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 21 Aug 1993 12:01:48 +1000 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.1) id AA07554; Sat, 21 Aug 93 01:59:34 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway2.0) id AA16370; Sat, 21 Aug 93 02:01:23 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.7) id AA23848; Sat, 21 Aug 93 02:01:22 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12764; Sat, 21 Aug 93 12:02:32 AES Message-Id: <9308210202.AA12764@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: SampleVision To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1993 08:02:32 -0400 From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) Return-Path: nic@nms.otc.com.au X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j}; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 01:32:45 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 01:27:59 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88170-3>; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 01:27:40 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: ftp permissionfor SMAC Message-Id: <93Aug22.012740edt.88170-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 01:27:37 -0400 Status: R | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 20 11:40:23 1993 | From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) | Subject: ftp permissionfor SMAC | To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) | | Would J.M Sellens please either e-mail me the "SMAC" | program or change the read-write permissions on the file on lotus and | notify me so I can then FTP download it? | | J.M Sellens to the rescue, please !! The file smac.README says: smac.hqx is Terje Finstad's Roland disk utility for Macintoshes. I'm not sure if he wants it publically available (yet), so you might not be able to actually read the file. and when I got this program from Terje, my impression was that he wanted to control the distribution, so he would know who had it and could get feedback and things like that. He has never told me that he wishes this version (or any other version) to be made publically available, so I am trying to adhere to his wishes, as he is the author of the program. If Terje says it's okay, I'd be happy to make it available. John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Aug 22 13:11:55 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 13:11:49 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.2.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 13:07:31 -0400 Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <24413-0@pat.uio.no>; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 19:01:07 +0200 Received: from [129.240.22.194] by fidibus.uio.no ; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 19:01:04 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 13:01:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9308221701.AAfidibus10439@fidibus.uio.no> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Terje Finstad X-Sender: tgf@fidibus Subject: Re: ftp permission for SMAC Status: R >and when I got this program from Terje, my impression was that he >wanted to control the distribution, so he would know who had it and >could get feedback and things like that. He has never told me that >he wishes this version (or any other version) to be made publically >available, so I am trying to adhere to his wishes, as he is the author >of the program. > >If Terje says it's okay, I'd be happy to make it available. > okey okey okey oke o ko kk eey ( reverb:early reflection + diffusion ) When John thought as he states above he acted the right way. although.. I only suggested that John tried ( or have someone try ) the program before he put it on taipan ( = pre_incarnation of lotus ). That is over a year ago. I now realize that assuring that something works is unusual and not at all required for software :-), so he can make it avalable even if he has not tried it. People that have e-mailed me have gotten the programs by e-mail, so probably they had seen the note John put up which was copied into his recent post. So even if it might be based upon a misunderstanding and was not needed I don't see how it limited the availability. ( JFYI: I don't keep records, and I trash my e-mail.,,, just in case U R paranoid. ) Since I am without any interest in the matter myself, you cannot expect me to take any action. I guess I just did. Terje From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 23 04:17:59 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-3>; Mon, 23 Aug 1993 04:17:52 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 23 Aug 93 04:17:49 -0400 Received: from ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl ([131.211.32.68]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 23 Aug 1993 03:57:15 -0400 Received: from ruunat.fys.ruu.nl by ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl with SMTP id AA13837 (5.65b+/IDA-1.4.3 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Mon, 23 Aug 93 09:57:03 +0200 Received: by ruunat.fys.ruu.nl id AA29167 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Mon, 23 Aug 1993 09:57:02 +0200 From: Wilfried van Sark Message-Id: <199308230757.AA29167@ruunat.fys.ruu.nl> Subject: Re: SampleVision To: sgroup@lotus (Sample Users Group Sample Users Group) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 03:57:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9308210202.AA12764@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> from "Nic Grant" at Aug 21, 93 08:02:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 586 Status: R Dear sgroupies, Sorry to ask, but is Samplevision a commercial or PD product, and where do I get it. -- Bye ==TheWilf== aka Wilfried G.J.H.M. van Sark, (email: vansark@fys.ruu.nl) w w Utrecht Univ., Dept. of Atomic and Interface Physics, w w w P.O. Box 80000, 3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands. w w (tel: +31 - 30 533173) (fax: +31 - 30 543165) "Anything CAN be music, but it doesn't BECOME MUSIC until someone WILLS it to be music, and the audience listening to it decides to PERCEIVE IT AS MUSIC" Frank Zappa in "The Real Frank Zappa book" (1989). From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 23 10:57:58 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-2>; Mon, 23 Aug 1993 10:57:49 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Mon, 23 Aug 1993 10:54:24 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA08746 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Mon, 23 Aug 1993 10:54:03 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Mon, 23 Aug 93 10:56 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: Disk&Letter Mailed! To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1993 10:56:44 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Well, the PC/Mac/Atari disk and letter of complaints has been finally mailed to Roland. I managed to finally download smac.hqx, thanks to John Sellens for giving me the read permissions. As they say, "the check is in the mail", so let's see what Roland has to say about all this product support nonsense. Maybe, just Maybe, they will listen to our pleas and give us better support. At least maybe they will mention the Internet sgroup in the Roland user's magazine. At worst they will tell us all to go out and buy their latest S-770 if we want updates. ;-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 24 13:31:09 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:31:03 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:26:45 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA06019 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:26:16 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:28 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: Wavestation eproms To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:28:54 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Howdy s-groupies, This question doesn't pertain specifically to Roland samplers, but I think some of you may have a Wavestation out there. By the way, there is a special mode on the Wavestation at boot up to go into system diganostics mode, and display the eprom operating system version and date, I will check it out at home. I have it written down somewhere. I own a Korg Wavestation EX (bought used) and I want to upgrade the operating system in it (2 eproms, probably 27512's or similar). The version of the O/S I have is 3.00 which is several revisions old, the latest version being 3.19. I know there are a lot of bug fixes since mine. In order for me to get these from KORG, I have to take the unit to an authorized dealer, have them order the eproms from Korg, leave my machine there for at least 1 or 2 weeks, etc. I live in Manhattan and it's a pain in the ass to haul my Wavestation downtown in a cab to the nearest Korg service dealer. Are there any Wavestation EX owners out there with the latest O/S version with a PC eprom programmer, such as the JDR micro devices variety ?? If so, can they backup/copy the 2 eproms into 2 DOS files and uu- encode-mail them to me or make 'em available via ftp? The Wavestation EX has been discontinued as far as I know, so I don't see any obvious legal problems with this. Roland mailed me my free S-550 1.13 sampler operating system disk just by calling them and asking for it, no asking for serial # or anything !! I have a JDR MicroDevices eprom programmer board and software for my 386 PC so I can load the backup/copy eprom DOS files into new eproms for popping into my Wavestation EX. Thanks, David Wilson davidw@krf.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 24 13:48:15 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:47:57 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:44:49 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA06832 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:43:59 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 93 13:46 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: S-550 service manual To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 13:46:29 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I just ordered the Roland S-550 service manual for $14. I was wondering had anyone else seen this or ordered it before ?? I am hoping it will contain some useful info for delving into the depths of the S-550. The Roland service guy told me that it was a "pretty big" manual, but I'll just have to wait and see. By the way, just so you guys know, you CAN order circuits schematics and service manuals for just about any Roland product. Just call the Roland number 1-213-685-5141 and hit option '2' for parts and schematics. You can pay by Visa or money-order over the phone. --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 24 14:20:13 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-2>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 14:20:01 -0400 Received: from csc-srv.wam.umd.edu ([128.8.70.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 14:17:00 -0400 Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu (rac3.wam.umd.edu) by csc-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA08565 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Aug 1993 14:14:08 -0400 Received: by rac1.wam.umd.edu id AA15629 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Tue, 24 Aug 1993 14:16:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 14:16:16 -0400 From: I own Bear Message-Id: <199308241816.AA15629@rac1.wam.umd.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Subject: S-10 schematics & OS Status: R I've been smirking listening to you lucky S-50/550 owners bemoan a lack of expandability. :) I have a Roland S-10 which is at least 1 or 2 generations removed from your boxes, and it uses the infamous 2.8" QDs and this has me using MIDI sample dump to transfer samples to and fro. I'd love to just find a retrofit for this thing to allow me to hook up] 3.5" disks, or better yet, make it more like an S-220 with more voices and multiple outs. Does anyone know where I could go for help? I'm still working on an S-10 librarian in my spare time, but there just doesn't seem to be enough time to spare. :) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 24 14:43:22 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-2>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 14:43:13 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 14:39:51 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA08924 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 24 Aug 1993 14:39:24 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 93 14:42 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: SoundBlaster for SVR4 To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 14:41:59 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R If anyone wants the soundblaster driver for Unix SVR4 & SVR4.2 it is available from ftp.digibd.com in /pub/unixware/blaster.tar.gz or else I can mail it to you or ftp it. I don't know how many sgroupies have the SoundBlaster board for their PC, but I imagine maybe some do for SampleVision. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com --------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 24 09:39:39 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 09:39:37 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 24 Aug 93 09:39:33 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 09:35:20 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-040293) id AA28695; Tue, 24 Aug 93 09:30:56 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA06060; Tue, 24 Aug 93 09:30:53 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 09:30:53 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9308241330.AA06060@rosalind> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Continued Support Status: RO David Wilson said, in part: > At worst they will tell us all to go out and buy their latest S-770 if > we want updates. ;-) I called tech support once and that's EXACTLY what I was told. But can you blame them too much? After all, they stay in business by selling us the new gear. It's just that, like most of you, I have limited funds and am satisfied with the sound quality. Since I have two of the beasties, I can even resample. So until I have a spare $3-8k and a real need for 16 bit stereo samples, I'll do nicely with my S550s... Especially if we can keep Roland interested in continuing support. After all, they need economic reasons to do anything and I'd be willing to pay for protecting my investments. Now if I added SCSI ports to both machines, would they be able to share resources? CDROM and a removable hard disk come to mind. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 25 09:54:23 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-1>; Wed, 25 Aug 1993 09:54:21 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 09:54:11 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 25 Aug 1993 09:50:28 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA06203 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Wed, 25 Aug 1993 09:50:17 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 09:52 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 09:45 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 09:52 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: SoundBlaster To: sgroup@lotus (Roland Group) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 09:52:05 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R >Quoting davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) >> If anyone wants the soundblaster driver for Unix SVR4 & SVR4.2 >> it is available from ftp.digibd.com in /pub/unixware/blaster.tar.gz >> or else I can mail it to you or ftp it. I don't know how many >> sgroupies have the SoundBlaster board for their PC, but I imagine >> maybe some do for SampleVision. >Excuse me David, but I don't understand your message. Is it the syntax or >what? What's SoundBlaster got to do with UNIX and SampleVision? It sounds (or at least reads) interesting and if you could shed some light on it I might >actually invest time in it :-) >... or maybe it's just my English. Oh! for a French E-mail service ;-) >Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) The SoundBlaster and SoundBlasterPro board (8-bit sampling, FM synthesis) for IBM PC's with MS-DOS is typically used with the MS-DOS operating system. What I am saying is that there is a SBlaster UNIX device driver program and src code available for USL UNIX SVR4 and SVR4.2 running on 386 or better PC's. This means that you can use the SoundBlaster board in your 386 if you are running the SVR4 UNIX operating system. Regarding your SampleVision comment, what I am saying there is that you can use the SoundBlaster board with SampleVision for monitoring the samples currently loaded in the PC in SampleVision. This is an alternative to buying Turtle Beach's 8-bit D/A parallel port device for SampleVision. This is what I use, I have a SoundBlaster Pro in my 386 with SampleVision. If you will notice during the installation setup of SampleVision, it will prompt you for what type of digital audio playback device you have in your PC: SoundBlaster, Turtle Beach D/A adapter, or the PC speaker. I dont' think SampleVision supports the new SoundBlaster 16 or SoundBlaster 16 ASP boards (16 bit sampling, etc.) yet though. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 24 22:21:02 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 22:20:51 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 24 Aug 1993 22:17:32 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA26988 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Tue, 24 Aug 1993 22:15:16 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA12061; Tue, 24 Aug 93 22:15:15 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA01998; Tue, 24 Aug 93 22:15:14 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308250215.AA01998@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: SoundBlaster for SVR4 (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1993 22:15:13 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 718 Status: RO Quoting davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) > If anyone wants the soundblaster driver for Unix SVR4 & SVR4.2 > it is available from ftp.digibd.com in /pub/unixware/blaster.tar.gz > or else I can mail it to you or ftp it. I don't know how many > sgroupies have the SoundBlaster board for their PC, but I imagine > maybe some do for SampleVision. > -- Excuse me David, but I don't understand your message. Is it the syntax or what? What's SoundBlaster got to do with UNIX and SampleVision? It sounds (or at least reads) interesting and if you could shed some light on it I might actually invest time in it :-) ... or maybe it's just my English. Oh! for a French E-mail service ;-) Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 25 15:54:44 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Wed, 25 Aug 1993 15:54:41 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 15:54:40 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 25 Aug 1993 15:50:15 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA17671 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Wed, 25 Aug 1993 15:49:46 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 15:52 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 15:45 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 15:51 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: EPS samples To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 15:51:26 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Well, I believe I am well on my way to successfully converting the Ensoniq EPS disk samples into .WAV, .VOC or .SMP files. I have been using the DOS EPS disk utilities from ftp.reed.edu and I have been able to extract the raw sample data from the EPS disks into sample files, then I will try to run them thru SOX and change 'em into SampleVision files. Might work, might not -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 25 17:17:07 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Wed, 25 Aug 1993 17:17:01 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 17:16:57 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Wed, 25 Aug 1993 17:12:13 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA11316 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Wed, 25 Aug 1993 17:09:53 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA03821; Wed, 25 Aug 93 17:09:53 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA06517; Wed, 25 Aug 93 17:09:54 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308252109.AA06517@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: EPS samples (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 17:09:53 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1025 Status: R > Well, I believe I am well on my way to successfully converting the Ensoniq > EPS disk samples into .WAV, .VOC or .SMP files. I have been using the > DOS EPS disk utilities from ftp.reed.edu and I have been able to extract > the raw sample data from the EPS disks into sample files, then I will > try to run them thru SOX and change 'em into SampleVision files. > > Might work, might not > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. Gotcha! I've been asking this questions for weeks with no answer. Your good advice on how to convert .WAV and .VOC files into .SMP worked but them I asked everyone in the group or the reverse procedure. I tried it, and my Windows sound manager couldn't read my .WAV that I create from my S50 into .SMP formats. Since I don't have SoundBlaster, I couldn't try with .VOC files but this doesn't sound (!) to good for the future. What's you platform again Dave? Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 25 19:40:48 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Wed, 25 Aug 1993 19:40:37 -0400 Received: from unb.ca ([131.202.3.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 25 Aug 1993 19:37:12 -0400 Received: from jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca by unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930526-09:20) id AA11462; Wed, 25 Aug 93 20:36:52 ADT Received: by jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1-930823-11:20) id AA24539; Wed, 25 Aug 93 20:36:51 ADT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1993 19:36:51 -0400 From: Scott Wilkie External Message-Id: <9308252336.AA24539@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: W-30 to S-550 conversion Status: R Someone was looking for this information awhile ago, I lost his address, so here it is for everyone to see. If you replace the first 16 characters of the W-30 image file with '00000000'x"S550 MT25B"'0004'x ________ __________ ____ HEX ASCII HEX you can trick the S-550 into loading the W-30 data disk... most sound data and parameters will load just fine... though a few things get screwed up, it is usually fixable manually. **************************************************************************** ** ** * scott dhomas trenn : Fredericton, NB - CANADA * * scott wilkie Internet: wilkie@jupiter.sun.csd.ca * ** ** **************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 26 16:45:20 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-2>; Thu, 26 Aug 1993 16:45:11 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 26 Aug 1993 16:41:00 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA28797 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Thu, 26 Aug 1993 16:38:46 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA28260; Thu, 26 Aug 93 16:38:45 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA13255; Thu, 26 Aug 93 16:38:44 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308262038.AA13255@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: .SMP ---> .WAV To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 16:38:43 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 209 Status: R Dave ! I couldn't reach you with the REPLY function (I dunno why!). Other people such as Nic sent me possible solutions for my problem. Will post shortly on the subject. Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 27 08:39:43 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 08:39:32 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 08:36:22 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA19525 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Fri, 27 Aug 1993 08:36:13 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 16:31 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 16:24 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 16:30 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: 8bit to 12bit To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 16:30:38 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I am working on using some of Gary Murakami's C source code to convert Roland 12bit wave data to 8bit wave data. I am figuring out how to convert raw 8 bit samples to 12 bit and write them raw to the Roland disks on DOS. This doesn't appear to be too difficult to do, however, it is not smart enough to "fill in" the gaps of the 8bit limitations. In other words, the lowest 4 bits of each converted/shifted sample will be zero. You have an IN buffer (the raw 8 bit wave data) and an OUT buffer ( the current segment in S-550 talk ). You convert each input sample 8-bit byte to 12 bits by shifting it left 4 bits and stick it in the OUT buffer, essentially using 1.5 bytes per sample in the OUT buffer. I am just messing around with the concepts at this point, I doubt I will be able to get anything done all at once soon, because school starts up again in 2 - 3 weeks (part-time Masters EE) and I'm not necessarily the world's best C programmer. -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 27 08:44:03 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 08:43:52 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 08:39:35 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA19548 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Fri, 27 Aug 1993 08:36:46 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 21:07 EDT Received: by krfiny.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.30) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 20:59 EDT Received: by rnd220 (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 93 21:06 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net (UNIXMAN) Subject: EPS to SMP To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Group) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1993 21:06:15 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I am having probelms converting the EPS samples to SampleVision format to load into my S-550. The samples do get converted in SOX and I can play them thru the SoundBlaster, but they sound messed up, you can here the sample but it is all gritty. I am using the Ensoniq user's group DOS programs to extract the EPS samples from the EPS disks, but I don't know why when I convert them to SampleVision format they sound messed up. Anybody else try this out ?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. 75 Wall St. NYC, NY 10005 UNIX/Network Data Communications phone: 212-504-7845 internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw HP-UX !! davidw@krf.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 27 09:36:22 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 09:36:12 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 27 Aug 93 09:36:03 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 09:32:44 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-040293) id AA03388; Fri, 27 Aug 93 09:18:06 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA07358; Fri, 27 Aug 93 09:18:02 EDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 09:18:02 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9308271318.AA07358@rosalind> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: 8bit to 12bit Status: R David J. Wilson gets ambitious: > I am working on using some of Gary Murakami's C source code > to convert Roland 12bit wave data to 8bit wave data. I am > figuring out how to convert raw 8 bit samples to 12 bit and > write them raw to the Roland disks on DOS. This doesn't appear > to be too difficult to do, however, it is not smart enough to > "fill in" the gaps of the 8bit limitations. In other words, the > lowest 4 bits of each converted/shifted sample will be zero. I have some general questions: (1) When converting a 12 bit sample to an 8 bit sample, do you just use the 8 most significant bits? Won't this sound funny without some kind of conversion? (2) When converting an 8 bit sample to a 12 bit sample, do you left shift four times and load the four LSBs with 0s or should you do some sort of interpolation where 0x00FF becomes 0x0FFF, 0x007F becomes 0x07FF, and 0x0000 stays 0x0000? Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 27 10:55:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 10:55:31 -0400 Received: from mumrik.nada.kth.se ([130.237.223.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 10:52:15 -0400 Received: by mumrik.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA21164; Fri, 27 Aug 93 16:51:57 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 10:51:57 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9308271451.AA21164@mumrik.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aloft.att.com Subject: Re: 8bit to 12bit Status: R > (1) When converting a 12 bit sample to an 8 bit sample, do you just use > the 8 most significant bits? Yes. This will result in as good sound as possible; there is no conversion that can make it sound better in any sense. It will actually be indistinguishable from the same sample 12bit played into a noiseless perfectly synced 8-bit sampler... > (2) When converting an 8 bit sample to a 12 bit sample, do you left > shift four times and load the four LSBs with 0s or should you do some > sort of interpolation where 0x00FF becomes 0x0FFF, 0x007F becomes > 0x07FF, and 0x0000 stays 0x0000? A straight shift would work well enough in that it wouldn't give any aliasing - however, it should set the lower 4 bits to 0x7 of all samples to avoid a slight zero-level shift. Copying the lower four bits again would producs some weird sort of aliasing noise (try it as an effect :-) while copying the HIGH four bits into the low 4 would extend the dynamics as compared to just shifting - just by 1/256th of the total dynamics however, and with a slight aliasing "step" every 16th sample value. Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 27 15:31:06 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 15:31:04 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 15:27:16 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.att.com Received: from rosalind by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-040293) id AA06982; Fri, 27 Aug 93 15:12:49 EDT Received: by rosalind (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-020793) id AA07557; Fri, 27 Aug 93 15:12:45 EDT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 15:12:45 -0400 Original-From: aloft!wbf (william.b.fox) Message-Id: <9308271912.AA07557@rosalind> To: lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup Subject: Re: System 2.0??? Status: R > Subject: System 2.0??? > To: Roland Sampler SIG > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1993 15:34:36 -0400 > From: Keith O McConnell > > Did I hear that there was a system version 2.0 for the S50/550? I thought > the latest was version 1.13. Can someone please clarify? I don't recall seeing an answer posted to this question, so here goes. The latest opsys rev for the S550 is 1.13. I uploaded it to the archives for those who don't have it yet. The S50 has a different opsys so its rev level is unrelated to the rev level of the S550. Somebody owning an S50 will have to answer that portion of the question. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Aug 27 15:50:34 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-1>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 15:50:26 -0400 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Fri, 27 Aug 1993 15:47:06 -0400 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA14995 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca); Fri, 27 Aug 1993 15:44:44 -0400 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA17869; Fri, 27 Aug 93 15:44:42 -0400 Received: by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA20156; Fri, 27 Aug 93 15:44:41 -0400 From: stjacque@ERE.UMontreal.CA (St-Jacques Marc) Message-Id: <9308271944.AA20156@mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: EPS to SMP (fwd) To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (sgroup ) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 15:44:41 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 624 Status: R [Quoting David Wilson] > I am having probelms converting the EPS samples to SampleVision > format to load into my S-550. The samples do get converted in SOX > and I can play them thru the SoundBlaster, but they sound messed > up, you can here the sample but it is all gritty. I am using > the Ensoniq user's group DOS programs to extract the EPS samples > from the EPS disks, but I don't know why when I convert them to > SampleVision format they sound messed up. Anybody else try this out ?? Actually, I couldn't operate the DOS Program altogether. I'll have to try again. Sorry! Marc (stjacque@ere.umontreal.ca) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 30 02:33:53 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-2>; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 02:33:47 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 02:29:43 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA07639; Sun, 29 Aug 93 23:29:23 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07636; Sun, 29 Aug 93 23:29:17 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA15884; Mon, 30 Aug 93 07:28:14 GMT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 03:28:14 -0400 From: borzieri%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Ivan Borzieri) Message-Id: <9308300728.AA15884@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aloft.att.com Subject: Re: System 2.0??? Status: R I do have S50 System version 2.00 ... If anybody is willing to exchange it for the S550->S50 converter ... Bye, Ivan From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 31 02:51:41 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 02:51:35 -0400 Received: from olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com ([129.189.134.9]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 02:46:23 -0400 Received: by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (5.65/1.34) id AA05126; Mon, 30 Aug 93 23:46:13 -0700 Received: from xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM by olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05099; Mon, 30 Aug 93 23:46:10 PDT Return-Path: Received: by xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM (5.51/ICO-1.0) id AA21751; Tue, 31 Aug 93 08:45:14 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 04:45:14 -0400 From: grillo%xsft1@Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) Message-Id: <9308310745.AA21751@xsft1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S550 Hackers Mode Status: R Hi there, How can I get the service Manual ? I'm very intersted on SCSI information, just to understand if ,buying the SCSI Interface, I can connect whatever disk I want. Reading the SCSI Interface manual ( A friend courtesy ) it seems that only Macintosh 20/40/80 Megs diks are allowed to work. Any Hint ? Savino From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 31 03:07:43 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 03:07:39 -0400 Received: from newbart.jti.com ([198.22.30.242]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 03:04:22 -0400 Received: from pioneer.ci.net!vl by newbart.jti.com with UUCP id AA06036 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Tue, 31 Aug 1993 02:51:30 -0400 Received: from vl.UUCP by pioneer.ci.net with UUCP id AA00784 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 31 Aug 1993 01:59:52 -0400 Received: by vl.ci.net (WinUUCP MTA v1.00 [demo] from SuperPhysica) with UUCP; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 01:54:46 +0000 (EST) Message-Id: <1993Aug31.015446@vl.ci.net> X-Mailer: *Cinetic Mail Manager V2.1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 01:54:43 -0400 Reply-To: tmetro@vl.ci.net From: tmetro@vl.ci.net (Tom Metro) To: davidw%rnd220@krf.jvnc.net Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler users mailing list) Subject: Re: S550 hacker mode Status: R > I got my S550 technical service manual, here's the initial scoop so far: > CPU: Intel 8095 (I looked inside too) > Judging from my preliminary circuit diagram peeking, > I think it is using the built-in A/D in the 8095. > It also uses 2 gate-arrays at line in input and mic-level > input. The S-10 uses 16-bit converters and I would assume that the higher models would too. The 8095 only has a 10-bit A/D and would have to use its PWM generator for the D/A, which wouldn't be better than 8-bits at audio frequencies. More likely their using the built-in A/D for digitizing a slider if there are any (the alpha wheel uses an optical encoder I would assume). The ASICs you saw were probably Roland's proprietary converters. They also have there own velocity sensitive keyboard scanner ASIC that probably shows up in other models too. > Hacker Mode (at last): > Most of it is self-tests as far as I can tell. The S-10 has a test mode too. I didn't find it useful for much other than testing MIDI cables. If anyone wants the key sequence let me know. -Tom -- Tom Metro tmetro@lynx.neu.edu Venture Logic tmetro@vl.ci.net Newton, MA, USA From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 31 17:59:28 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 17:59:17 -0400 Received: from tigger.jvnc.net ([128.121.50.145]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 17:55:33 -0400 Received: from phoenix.krf.com (krf.jvnc.net) by tigger.jvnc.net with SMTP id AA22564 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 31 Aug 1993 17:54:52 -0400 Received: by phoenix.krf.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.1) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 93 10:11 EDT Message-Id: From: davidw@krf.com (David Wilson) Subject: S550 A/D To: sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca (Roland Sgroup) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 10:11:15 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R OK, after looking at the schematics some more, the S-550 uses two custom gate-array IC's for the A/D, NOT the built-in A/D in the 8095 CPU. I was looking thru my Intel chip data books, but I don't have anything on the 8095. The Roland schematics do show the block diagram layout and architecture of the 8095 chip. They even were nice enough to lay out all the pins for all major chips on the various boards in the S-550. They have a block diagram of the A/D wave gate-array IC's. Incidentally, the schematics say that the ROM operating system BIOS routines, etc. are in two 27C128 IC's which are EPROMS as far as the numbers would indicate. This means I may just have to pop those babies into my EPROM programmer/editor and have a look at the code in there. Power supply and voltage levels include +5 V (for all the TTL I/C's I assume), +12 V and I think I saw -12 V too. Here's the gory details on the S-550 A/D: It uses successive approximation A/D conversion, the signal goes thru a comparator, then it goes into the custom gate-array IC. This gate-array IC has it's own clock, buffers, etc. The samples are 12-bit signed data and are held in banks of DRAM chips. The 12 bit data bus goes to and from the DRAM chips and one of the gate array IC's. Then the 12 bit sample data is sent to another custom IC, the Time Variant Filter IC which expands the sample data to 16 bit PCM data to include the TVF information. I don't know if this means that it changes the sample data itself with the TVF info or if it keeps the lower 12 bits as the sample data and the higher 4 bits as some sort of code for what TVF settings are set ?? Anyway, then it goes the DAC and signal is fed out to another custom IC to manage the output jack routings. The biggest problem I see is that the 8095 CPU is not a speed demon and it does a lot including, managing MIDI data in/out analysis, sample data getting to/from memory, user input I/O, etc. They could have put another 8095 or 68000 in there and split up the tasks to some degree, but price, price, price !!! Also, on a slightly different note. Did you know that you can monitor the raw Hex bytes of incoming and I think outgoing MIDI data on the S-550, I think it is on the MIDI screen menu. I tried examining the hex MIDI bytes while uploading/downloading MIDI samples from SampleVision, this is a useful way if figuring out the complex Roland S-550 Midi sample data transfer mechanism. Aaahh, to think I won't have much time for this once Signals/Fourier Transforms class starts up in about 3 weeks....... --------------------------------------------------------------- David J. Wilson Knight-Ridder, Inc. UNIX/Network Data Communications 75 Wall St., NYC NY 10005 MS-EE student 19?? phone: 212-504-7845 Dept. of Electrical Engineering internet: uunet!krfiny!davidw Polytechnic University, NYC davidw@krf.com ---------------------------------------------------------------