From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Jun 1 14:06:07 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 14:06:01 -0400 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 13:59:36 -0400 Received: from Sun.COM by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 1 Jun 93 13:58:18 -0400 Received: from snail.Sun.COM (snail.Corp.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15510; Tue, 1 Jun 93 10:55:03 PDT Received: from UK.Sun.COM (sunuk) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22589; Tue, 1 Jun 93 10:54:12 PDT Received: from sunlin.UK.Sun.COM by UK.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1e-UK) id AA14313; Tue, 1 Jun 93 00:08:55 BST Received: from cobra.UK.Sun.COM by sunlin.UK.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1e) id AA03383; Tue, 1 Jun 93 00:29:14 BST Received: from legs.UK.Sun.COM by cobra.UK.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14754; Tue, 1 Jun 93 00:06:26 BST Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 19:06:26 -0400 From: Bruce.Percy@UK.Sun.COM (Bruce Percy - SUN Scotland) Message-Id: <9305312306.AA14754@cobra.UK.Sun.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Roland S750 Cc: Bruce.Percy@UK.Sun.COM Status: R Hi There, Attention all Roland S750/S770 Sampler owners! There is a User group being set up in London by a musician called Adrian Lee who is very interested in hearing from anyone who has a major gripe about the problems related to the S750 and S770. Adrian currently has just over 200 names on a petition which he is trying to use to make Roland put the fixes into place which should have been provided on the machine when you bought it. Here are alist of bugs which hamper all machines :- 1. Phase Lock - The machine will not phaselock stereo samples. This is most noticable on stereo drum loops where the high frequecy content such as hihats tend to loose clarity of varying ammounts each time the loop is re-triggered. Apparently Roland have a fix for this in system 2.19A which will only works providing that you dont use pitchbend or modulation on the stereo sample. This is unforgivable since it should work with no exceptions. Adrian has told me that he received word back from Roland Japan that states that the S750/770 will NEVER be able to do phase lock properly. 2. Midi sluring - the machine is 24 note poly - so why does it tend to be late with even the most simplest task such as keeping a drum loop in time. The delay is never consistent. Adrian has told me that tests have been carried out which prove that the worst case is a delay of 60 milliseconds. 3. Drop out of notes - This is quite a frequent problem. Notes dissapear intermittently. 4. Left hand side of stereo sample drops out - I havent experienced this recently but I do remember it happening on early software releases - version 2.0 - 2.16. Some users still complain about this - it may be worth getting a more recent software update from roland for this. NOTE - all midi timing problems have been tested using an independant midi port for the sampler only. All sequence data sent down the midi line has been intended for the sampler only (no other midi data was transmitted down the same port). I was also told that Roland have produced a new cpu which has a faster oscilator on it and a new chip which manages to improve the machines speed by 30%. Apparently this makes the midi timing more accurate. However, I have heard that it is not generally available - but has been done for some very very upset customers here in the Uk. There are some drawbacks here - apparently the new board has some operation problems such as a flickering mouse icon which won't stay still. So what is needed (if you are not satisfied) is some force put on Roland to get the problems fixed for good. And if this means that a new hardware is required then it should be - and it should WORK! If you are interested in contacting Adrian, or to put your name on the pettition list - then please contact me and I will forward his address details to you. Cheers, Bruce. ps. Recent update - I contacted Roland last week (may 28th 1993) and they confirmed that there is a new CPU being developed by Roland Japan. It has a faster clock and all aspects of processing have been improved - Midi Response, time stretch etc. However, Dave Marshal (the Roland UK rep whom I spoke to) said that they have been promised this for quite a while - and if and when it becomes available he's not sure whether existing Roland Users will receive this replacement free of charge. He did say however, that the operating system is different and as such will not run with any existing release. However, system 2.19A system disk is now available and it does the following:- 1. Speeds up the save to disk time. This is achieved by removing the last scan made whilst saving. The last scan is done over the entire disk - so if you have a big drive, then you will have to wait a good while as it scanns all partitions and sectors. This has been removed, and as such the save time has been greatly reduced. 2. Phase lock is now ok for stereo sample. However - this is only ok while NO pitchbend or modulation is put onto the stereo sample. An improvement - but still restricting in a lot of cases. I will get Adrian Lee's telephone number and address - and post it out to this group when I pick it up from home. Appart from this - Id love to hear from anyone concerning any new sound library news such as recomendations etc. I like the Roland S750, it bugs me at times, but I wouldnt part with it - I like the sound quality and user interface far too much. But i would like the bugs to be ironed out. three thousand pounds should buy you a full cake - not a half baked one. If you see what I mean? bruce. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Jun 1 11:17:26 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-3>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 11:17:21 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 1 Jun 93 11:17:11 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 11:04:30 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA05339; Tue, 1 Jun 93 10:59:02 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA17889; Tue, 1 Jun 93 10:59:04 EDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 10:59:04 -0400 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9306011459.AA17889@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Librarian Status: RO Hi George, Has anybody stepped forward as the next librarian or even expressed an interest in the job? (I tried to send this directly, but it bounced; sorry!) Bill From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Jun 1 16:27:52 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-3>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 16:27:40 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 16:17:49 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01777; Tue, 1 Jun 93 14:12:08 MDT Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 16:11:52 -0400 From: George_Demarest@univel.com To: Message-Id: <9306012012.AA01777@gateway.univel.com> Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Status: R >From gfd Tue Jun 1 16:15 EDT 1993 remote from sfgfd From: gfd@sfgfd.NJ.univel.COM To: wbf@aluxpo.att.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from sfgfd by shark.nj.univel.COM; Tue, 1 Jun 93 16:30 EDT Subject: Re: Librarian Content-Length: 212 Content-Type: text Bill, et al, I have received 2 messages from folks apparently interested in taking over for the Sgroup library. I have been away for a while and have not been able to follow up. I will do so this week. gfd From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Jun 1 18:30:28 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-1>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 18:30:18 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 18:24:12 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA13029; Wed, 2 Jun 93 00:21:50 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 18:21:50 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9306012221.AA13029@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: Bruce.Percy@UK.Sun.COM, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Roland S750 Status: RO Well this is the reply I sent to the post. Guess the rest of the SGroup might be interested as well: I have had a S-750 for a year. Had I known when I bought it (for a lot of money) what I know now, I'm not sure I would have chosen Roland. There are a few problems with it that greatly impairs my effectiveness with it: 1) The CPU is dead slow. I saw an 8086 when I had the RAS card installed. This means things like time shift and general sample memory shuffling takes FOREVER. Since this is a fairly new machine, a 386-class CPU isn't too much to ask, and ideally a RISC-type chip would have been used instead (there are several cheap and capable embedded RISC CPUs available that have mich better performance, and are suited for these kinds of operations) 2) The disk handling is fairly brain-dead: If you specify a filter for loading a bass patch, and then do not change it before you save, EVERYTHING you save gets the same prefix as the filter. BAD BAD BAD! Save prefix filter and load prefix filter should not be the same. When you start deleting things on disk, it takes forever (I have a fairly fast hard disk) This is made even more irritating because I have to specify one thing at a time. A MAJOR improvement to the UI would be the ability to select several files at one time, and then hit "Do It" to actually do on the selected files. The disk layout is brain-dead; one would think that the concept of sub-folders should have penetrated even Japanese synth manufacturers, but no. The file system is based on age-old methods from the stone ages, and that's another reason file operations take FOREVER. If my $1000 Mac can load, rename, save and delete files at a respectable rate, over SCSI, I would hope my $5000 sampler could, too (that was the equivalent price for it when I bought it new) 3) The phase problem: I'm very happy that I hear this from a good source, since I have been thinking I'm going nuts. We spent an hour chasing down that hi-hat loss in a drum loop, and never caught it (we looked at cables, mixer, plugs, changed channels, ... and still it happened) I paid good money for my S750 because I wanted to PLAY not because I wanted to fiddle cables, click my mouse to death, and wait FOREVER for disk operations to complete. It's even worse when you pay studio time for it. Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Jun 1 22:35:03 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-3>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 22:34:53 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 1 Jun 93 22:34:51 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au ([131.217.1.19]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 22:29:16 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA00760 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.CA); Wed, 2 Jun 93 12:27:38 +1000 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01GYWIF0PLSG99E0TG@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 12:27:27 +1000 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 22:27:27 -0400 From: Rodney Foley Subject: S750 SyQuest Cartridges. To: sgroup@lotus Message-Id: <01GYWIF0PLSI99E0TG@ecc.tased.edu.au> X-Envelope-To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.CA X-Vms-To: IN%"sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.CA" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Brian Cheek asked 27/5 "what syquests exist for the S770". The list of syquest cartridges that are/were available in Australia includes the following :- RSA701 Percussion 1 RSA702 Bass Guitar RSA703 Guitar 1 RSA704 Orchestra 1 RSA705 Keyboards and Mallets RSA706 Synths and Voices RSA707 Drums and Cymbals RSA708 Techno/Rap RSA709 Instant Score/Composer RSA710 Ethnic I say were available because Roland in Australia are telling me that most (if not all) of these are no longer available. I am desperate to get hold of the Ethnic cartridge, but am told it isn't available here in Australia, is it possible for someone in England and/or the U.S. to check next time they are at there local dealer, if this cartridge is still available. Failing this could someone give me contact numbers for Roland U.S. and Roland England. A thousand thanks Rodney Foley it_rodney@ecc.tased.edu.au From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 2 22:51:59 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-2>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 22:51:56 -0400 Received: from andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.10.101]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 22:45:53 -0400 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 2 Jun 93 22:45:17 EDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 22:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 22:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.0.1.23.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix4.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix4.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 22:44:14 -0400 From: Brian T Cheek To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Sample Archives REPOST Question Status: R Would the kind person who posted the list of all Roland Sample Archives be so kind to repost? My mail system combined with my PC did the jig. Thanks in advance. -Brian :) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 2 23:08:21 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-3>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 23:08:14 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 2 Jun 93 23:08:13 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 23:05:13 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88171-1>; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 23:05:09 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu, sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: Sample Archives REPOST Question Message-Id: <93Jun2.230509edt.88171-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 23:05:08 -0400 Status: R | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 2 22:51:59 1993 | From: Brian T Cheek | To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca | Subject: Sample Archives REPOST Question | | Would the kind person who posted the list of all Roland Sample Archives | be so kind to repost? My mail system combined with my PC did the jig. | Thanks in advance. | | -Brian :) | Was there a post like that? Hmmm - I don't particularly remember one. You might start with lotus.uwaterloo.ca ... John From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 9 07:23:12 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-1>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 07:23:03 -0400 Received: from dkuug.dk ([193.88.44.141]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 07:18:52 -0400 Received: from ktas.dk (quark.ktas.dk) by dkuug.dk with SMTP id AA06483 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Wed, 9 Jun 1993 13:18:19 +0200 Received: by ktas.dk (5.57/j1.1.2) id AA00539; Wed, 9 Jun 93 13:19:32 +0200 Received: from cc:Mail by smtplink.ktas.dk (1.20/SMTPLink) id A03324; Wed, 09 Jun 93 12:15:18 GMT+1 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 08:15:18 -0400 From: HBN-NUN Message-Id: <9306091215.A03324@smtplink.ktas.dk> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Noisy W-30 X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: R I came across a couple of postings regarding noisy W-30'. Here is my comment: I have had this problem with my W-30 and I took it to the Roland repairman. The noise comes from two sources: - display (mechanical noise) - powersupply for the display (electr. noise) The electric noise can be found on all outputs. Roland did not have any solution to the problem (jan. 91) so I decided to disable the powersupply for the display (one transistor is removed)! This eliminates the problem and gives you another one ....... Henning From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 9 09:17:59 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-2>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:17:51 -0400 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:14:32 -0400 Received: from banana (banana.msfc.nasa.gov) by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA12047; Wed, 9 Jun 93 08:14:13 CDT Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:14:13 -0400 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9306091314.AA12047@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Noisy W-30 Status: R I'm not familiar with the insides of a W-30, but I'd be surprised if most of the EMI that you're getting from the display is coming from the power supply. I'd be willing to bet that much of it comes either from the display itself, or from whatever connects it to its driving circuitry (which I'd guess is a poorly-shielded ribbon cable). Judicious application of aluminum or copper foil (strapped to ground) to the back of the display and the cable might help. (Be careful you don't short anything!) Dave From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 9 09:35:01 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88173-2>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:34:58 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 9 Jun 93 09:34:53 -0400 Received: from chopin.udel.edu ([128.175.13.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:31:53 -0400 Received: by chopin.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA20165; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:31:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199306091331.AA20165@chopin.udel.edu> From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:31:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) "Re: Noisy W-30" (Jun 9, 9:14am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.2 7/11/90) To: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt), sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: Noisy W-30 Status: R Hmmmm, I have a different kind of noise from my W30 -- real noise. The stinkin' thing hums! It seems to be eminating from the area just to the right of the disk drive. I know this board is a tad old, but I didn't think they put moving parts in synths in '89! Any comments? -jon From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 9 09:45:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-2>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:45:46 -0400 Received: from linc.cis.upenn.edu ([130.91.6.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:42:41 -0400 Received: from GRADIENT.CIS.UPENN.EDU by linc.cis.upenn.edu id AA03511; Wed, 9 Jun 93 09:42:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: by gradient.cis.upenn.edu id AA00405; Wed, 9 Jun 93 09:42:30 EDT From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din) Posted-Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 9:42:30 EDT Message-Id: <9306091342.AA00405@gradient.cis.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: Noisy W-30 To: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 09:42:30 -0400 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <199306091331.AA20165@chopin.udel.edu>; from "Jon Deutsch" at Jun 9, 93 9:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11-upenn1.7] Status: R > Hmmmm, I have a different kind of noise from my W30 -- real noise. > The stinkin' thing hums! > It seems to be eminating from the area just to the right of the disk drive. > I know this board is a tad old, but I didn't think they put moving parts > in synths in '89! > > Any comments? Yep, I can tell you that I have an old Mac Plus for about 4 years and recently the disk drive begin emitting a high-pitched "wheeee" sound. Nontechnically speaking, it sounds like something needs to be oiled. Maybe the hum is a precursor to the whee. I've been backing up things more often of my Plus now because of it. Clarence From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 9 11:31:18 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88174-2>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 11:31:15 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 9 Jun 93 11:31:07 -0400 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 11:27:26 -0400 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA24240; Wed, 9 Jun 93 11:27:07 -0400 Received: from technet.UUCP by spool.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 112545.11649; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 11:25:45 EDT Received: from corp.macom.com by technet.macom.com with SMTP (15.11/15.6) id AA06544; Wed, 9 Jun 93 11:21:55 edt Received: from cc:Mail by corp.macom.com (1.30/SMTPLink) id A02366; Wed, 09 Jun 93 11:25:21 EST Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 12:25:21 -0400 From: Keith Barkley Message-Id: <9306091125.A02366@corp.macom.com> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: Noisy W-30 Status: R There are several components that can cause an audible hum or buzz in electronic equipment. If you have an LCD display with a backlight you can often hear a whine. Power transformers are laminated with many sheets of iron. If these become loose the assembly can hum as it vibrates to the 60Hz of the AC power line. Of course there are all kinds of mechanical dohickeys (TM) in the disk drive. keith barkley From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 9 12:37:37 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 12:37:32 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 9 Jun 93 12:37:22 -0400 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 12:34:17 -0400 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93052901) id AA25112; Wed, 9 Jun 93 12:33:59 -0400 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93052901) id AA07786; Wed, 9 Jun 93 12:33:57 -0400 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Wed, 9 Jun 93 12:32:57 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: Noisy W-30 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 13:32:57 -0400 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.3n27of@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R In Regards to your letter <199306091331.AA20165@chopin.udel.edu>: > > > Hmmmm, I have a different kind of noise from my W30 -- real noise. > The stinkin' thing hums! > It seems to be eminating from the area just to the right of the disk drive. > I know this board is a tad old, but I didn't think they put moving parts > in synths in '89! > > Any comments? > > -jon I am kind of shocked that the noise is coming from the unit itself. Don't they have something called physical design at Roland that watches out for this stuff? Anyway, at noise or hum problems in the studio I have had were taken care of buy moving the equipment around. For example, the Roland S-330 will produce a hum if placed next to an effects processor in the rack. I don't use a W-30 nor do I play one on TV :-) but moving equipment around and replacing cables has helped out a great deal. David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Jun 9 12:55:17 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-1>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 12:55:07 -0400 Received: from husc8.harvard.edu ([128.103.25.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Wed, 9 Jun 1993 12:51:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 12:50:56 -0400 From: henrik@husc.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9306091650.AA24702@husc8.harvard.edu> To: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu, jon@chopin.udel.edu Subject: Re: Noisy W-30 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R That "wheee" sound is probably the bearings in your hard drive, which means it could go at any time (or keep running for years). Backing it up is a real good bet. larry... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Jun 13 13:43:22 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Sun, 13 Jun 1993 13:43:11 -0400 Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU ([18.72.1.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Sun, 13 Jun 1993 13:37:59 -0400 Received: from E40-008-10.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA22914; Sun, 13 Jun 93 13:37:45 EDT From: wes@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-10.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA09808; Sun, 13 Jun 93 13:37:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9306131737.AA09808@e40-008-10.MIT.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S550 trouble -- WEIRD -- help? In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 15 May 93 18:59:22 -0400. Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 13:37:41 -0400 Status: R Okay, I think I've figured out HOW I killed (?) my S550, but what I need is help fixing it... See, I've got this track-ball mouse, and I figured, HEY wouldn't it be nice to connect it to the sampler so that I wouldn't have to find a rolling surface on my (cramped) music work table for it, now that I'm reorganizing it and all. I figured that it probably wouldn't work exactly right, but even if it worked with the directions reversed or something weird like that, well, I could get used to it. Imagine my surprise when I plugged in the Microsoft BallPoint mouse (tm) and the sampler shut down. Shut down, not to be turned on again. Power switch does NOTHING. AAAUUUGGGHHH! I figure that this particular trackball probably connects the S550 power to ground within itself, and thereby shorts the power supply, or does something equally bad somehow. Has anyone had similar problems, EVER? Does anyone, for the matter, know whether there is a fuse inside anywhere? Even: "Does Roland service these puppies anymore?" I'd sure like to know how badly I've munged this box, as it's my fave among instruments. So ANYONE who has a sec and a clue, PLEASE drop me a line. Thanks a zillion... Wes Carroll Internet: wes@athena.mit.edu USPS: 175 E 96th St Apt 26L NY, NY 10128 Phone: 212/369-5512 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Jun 14 13:40:29 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88150-3>; Mon, 14 Jun 1993 13:40:19 -0400 Received: from sgi.sgi.com ([192.48.153.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Mon, 14 Jun 1993 13:36:16 -0400 Received: from relay.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/910110.SGI) for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca id AA06346; Mon, 14 Jun 93 10:35:51 -0700 Received: from bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com by relay.sgi.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @sgi.sgi.com:wes@athena.mit.edu id AA00537; Mon, 14 Jun 93 10:35:37 -0700 Received: by bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for @sgi.com:sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca id AA22341; Mon, 14 Jun 93 12:13:43 -0500 From: kmeiere@bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com (Keith Meiere - SE) Message-Id: <9306141213.ZM22339@bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 13:13:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: wes@athena.mit.edu "S550 trouble -- WEIRD -- help?" (Jun 13, 1:37pm) References: <9306131737.AA09808@e40-008-10.MIT.EDU> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (2.1.0 10/1/92) To: wes@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: S550 trouble -- WEIRD -- help? Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R On Jun 13, 1:37pm, wes@athena.mit.edu wrote: > Subject: S550 trouble -- WEIRD -- help? > Okay, I think I've figured out HOW I killed (?) my S550, but what I need > is help fixing it... > > See, I've got this track-ball mouse, and I figured, HEY wouldn't it be > nice to connect it to the sampler so that I wouldn't have to find a > rolling surface on my (cramped) music work table for it, now that I'm > reorganizing it and all. I figured that it probably wouldn't work > exactly right, but even if it worked with the directions reversed or > something weird like that, well, I could get used to it. > > Imagine my surprise when I plugged in the Microsoft BallPoint mouse (tm) > and the sampler shut down. Shut down, not to be turned on again. Power > switch does NOTHING. AAAUUUGGGHHH! > > I figure that this particular trackball probably connects the S550 power > to ground within itself, and thereby shorts the power supply, or does > something equally bad somehow. > > Has anyone had similar problems, EVER? Does anyone, for the matter, > know whether there is a fuse inside anywhere? Even: "Does Roland > service these puppies anymore?" > > I'd sure like to know how badly I've munged this box, as it's my fave > among instruments. > > So ANYONE who has a sec and a clue, PLEASE drop me a line. Thanks a > zillion... > > Wes Carroll > Internet: wes@athena.mit.edu > USPS: 175 E 96th St Apt 26L NY, NY 10128 > Phone: 212/369-5512 > >-- End of excerpt from wes@athena.mit.edu Wes, I tried the same procedure, but using a third party touch tablet from Atari. I used a schematic and service manual which Roland sent to me for FREE, however I had zero luck in making it work :-( Luckily I had no power problems and the sampler is working fine :-) I would suggest calling the Roland Tech Support Hotline. They seem to be responsive these days (unlike 3 years ago). They could probably send you a schematic and service manual. I do not have the phone number for Roland handy, but there should be a phone number on some printed material you have laying around somewhere. Also, the GEnie (General Electric network information exchange) BBS network in Washington DC has a Roland Technical Support Bulletin Board dedicated to these types of problems. S550 and other samplers also have separate discussion areas. There are some hackers there who might be able to help with your problem. Try Washington DC Telephone Information for the number or Email me and I'll get it for you. -- _______________________________________________________________________ "Was it a car or a cat I saw?" --- Reciprocal Palindromes --- "A man, a plan, a canal - Panama!" "Doc, note: I dissent. A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on Cod." _______________________________________________________________________ keith meiere - systems engineer - silicon graphics kmeiere@bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Jun 14 20:57:12 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-3>; Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:57:05 -0400 Received: from shiva.trl.OZ.AU ([137.147.20.34]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <158>; Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:53:37 -0400 Received: from otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au ([134.159.16.100]) by shiva.trl.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA13602 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 15 Jun 1993 10:53:00 +1000 Received: from nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au by otcgpo.isg.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_GPO.2.0) id AA11211; Tue, 15 Jun 93 00:50:59 GMT Received: from ra.pad.otc.com.au by nmspad1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Gateway1.8) id AA10014; Tue, 15 Jun 93 00:51:53 GMT Received: from nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au by ra.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/OTC_Peer_1.5) id AA08390; Tue, 15 Jun 93 00:51:52 GMT Received: by nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09452; Tue, 15 Jun 93 10:53:44 AES Message-Id: <9306150053.AA09452@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Subject: conversions To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Samplers) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 06:53:43 -0400 From: nic@nms.otc.com.au (Nic Grant) Return-Path: nic@nms.otc.com.au X-Face: CWvY*`==&6t{gXL499VPU\Q@{>yp6Thfa6V;Qev0p\q]Oi,cV10j}; Mon, 14 Jun 1993 17:05:21 -0400 Received: from ads.com ([128.229.30.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Mon, 14 Jun 1993 17:01:28 -0400 Received: from deimos.ads.com by ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA16521; Mon, 14 Jun 93 14:02:28 -0700 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Received: by deimos.ads.com (5.65+/4.7) id AA14154; Mon, 14 Jun 93 14:01:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 17:01:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9306142101.AA14154@deimos.ads.com> To: kmeiere@bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com, wes@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: S550 trouble -- WEIRD -- help? Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R >> Okay, I think I've figured out HOW I killed (?) my S550, but what I need >> is help fixing it... >> >> See, I've got this track-ball mouse, and I figured, HEY wouldn't it be >> nice to connect it to the sampler so that I wouldn't have to find a >> rolling surface on my (cramped) music work table for it, now that I'm >> reorganizing it and all. I figured that it probably wouldn't work >> exactly right, but even if it worked with the directions reversed or >> something weird like that, well, I could get used to it. >> >> Imagine my surprise when I plugged in the Microsoft BallPoint mouse (tm) >> and the sampler shut down. Shut down, not to be turned on again. Power >> switch does NOTHING. AAAUUUGGGHHH! >> > Wes, > > I tried the same procedure, but using a third party touch tablet from Atari. I > used a schematic and service manual which Roland sent to me for FREE, however I > had zero luck in making it work :-( Luckily I had no power problems and the > sampler is working fine :-) I've always wanted to do the same thing, but I guess I'm glad I never did..... Wouldn't it be possible to take apart the Roland Mouse and compare it to a Trackball and then use the roland Plug and adapt the Trackball onto it? pd From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Jun 15 17:05:25 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88150-3>; Tue, 15 Jun 1993 17:05:18 -0400 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Tue, 15 Jun 1993 16:58:37 -0400 Received: from SGI.COM by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 15 Jun 93 16:58:12 -0400 Received: from relay.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/910110.SGI) for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca id AA10044; Tue, 15 Jun 93 13:50:34 -0700 Received: from bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com by relay.sgi.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @sgi.sgi.com:sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca id AA27955; Tue, 15 Jun 93 13:50:19 -0700 Received: by bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com (920330.SGI/911001.SGI) for kmeiere id AA04590; Tue, 15 Jun 93 10:04:44 -0500 From: kmeiere@bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com (Keith Meiere - SE) Message-Id: <9306151004.ZM4588@bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 11:04:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (2.1.0 10/1/92) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-50/S-550 Disk Library Listing Cc: kmeiere@bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com Status: R I have the complete S-50 (and partial S-550) disk library in two different text files available for anyone who wants it. However, I do not think anyone other than SGI employees are able to access the SGI closed Wide Area Network via FTP which my workstation is connected to. Does anyone have any suggestions (or any interest) on how I can make these files accessable to everyone? I can Email the files but they are rather large at 36k and 17k in size. Lemme know. They are in two format types; Alphabetical & Numerical By Release Date ****************** Alphabetical By Disk Name ****************** PATCH NAME VOL# DISK NAME DISK# RSB# ---------- ---- --------- ----- ---- AC PIANO HPF SYS PIANO (SYS) A SYS AC PIANO HPF 3 PIANO (NEW) 23 503 AC PIANO LPF SYS PIANO (SYS) A SYS AC PIANO LPF 3 PIANO (NEW) 23 503 ACCENT VIBRA 8 JAPANESE FLUTES 77 508 ACCORDIAN 6 ETHNIC GRAB BAG 54 506 ACOUSTIC GTR 4 NYLON GUITAR, MANDOLIN, HARP 30 504 etc, etc.... for a total of 85 disks ****************** Numerical By Release Date ****************** D# V# Disk Label Patch Description -- --- ---------- ----------------- A SYS PIANO AC PIANO LPF, AC PIANO HPF, MELLOW PIANO B SYS STRINGS & CHOIR STRINGS - MONO, CHOIR, CHOIR/STRINGS, C SYS BRASS, BASS, VIBE BRASS, TRUMPET, SLAP BASS, PICKED BASS, VIBRAPHONE, MARIMBA, W.BASS/VIBE, W.BASS/GLKN D SYS DRUMS GATED-DR, ELECTRIC-DR, ACOUSTIC-DR, COMBI.1-DR, COMBI.2-DR, COMBI.3-DR, COMBI.4-DR, COMBI.5-DR E SYS SOUND EFFECTS MEDLEY, MORNING SET, FIGHT!, WONDERLAND 1 1 ELECTRONIC PIANO NO. 1 E. PIANO 1 VM, E.PIANO 1 MP, E,PIANO 8VB 2 1 SYNTHESIZER JP-8 BRASS 1, JP-8 STRGS 1, STR MACHINE1, VOCODER +, HOLLOW PAD 1, LEAD 1, SYNSTRINGS 2, JX-10 SYNBOW 3 1 ELECTRIC PIANO 2 E. PIANO2 HPF, E.PIANO2 LPF, EPIANO2 HMP, CLAV 1, CLAV 2, CLAV 3, CLAV 4, CLAV/E.PIANO 4 1 ACOUSTIC GUITAR NYLON STRING, STEEL STRING 1, STEEL etc, etc.... for a total of 125 disks I find these lists useful when searching for that "special" sample during a taping session in the studio. ]; Tue, 15 Jun 1993 23:16:51 -0400 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <160>; Tue, 15 Jun 1993 23:13:45 -0400 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.EDU by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA07101; Tue, 15 Jun 93 23:15:03 EDT Received: by rodan.acs.syr.EDU (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA08634; Tue, 15 Jun 93 23:09:44 EDT Message-Id: <9306160309.AA08634@rodan.acs.syr.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: conversions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Jun 93 06:53:43 EDT." <9306150053.AA09452@nmstms1.pad.otc.com.au> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 23:09:43 -0400 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R > thought was strange (isn't the S550 a rack mount version of the S50?). Well yeah, sort of... The S550 is slightly different (better) than the S50 and for one thing, stores twice as many patches on the disk, so the formats are different. There is a utility program that runs on the S50 to convert S550 disks, and of course the S550/330 can read S50 disks. But as far as your situation goes, I have no solution... sorry :-( On another note: Has anything happened with the user library transfer yet? I actually have some new samples to contribute (it's only been oh... 2, 3 years :-). I may have the chance to play with an Alesis D4 in July, so I will be sure to get the ROM bank on DAT. neil.herzinger...graduate...art.media.studies...computer.graphics...syracuse.u. ....................................grae.com................................... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Jun 18 01:42:06 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-3>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 01:41:50 -0400 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 01:38:23 -0400 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA25164 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Thu, 17 Jun 93 22:36:43 -0700 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (5.60/UCSDGENERIC2) id AA03561 for wes@athena.mit.edu; Thu, 17 Jun 93 22:36:35 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 01:36:35 -0400 From: jdawes@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Handle Head Messiah) Message-Id: <9306180536.AA03561@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU> To: kmeiere@bigred.indianapolis.sgi.com, pdel@ads.com, wes@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: S550 trouble -- WEIRD -- help? Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R I did this awhile back as well....What I did was blow two fuses. One by the powe r supply and another ( ???? ). Anyway I went to a local electronics store after I opened up my S550..( It's not like its under warranty anymore!!) with the blown fuses and matched their ratings. ( If your power switch doesn't do anything ...not even a electronic whir, then you definately blew a fuse....) Good Luck Handle Head Messiah