From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 12:43:18 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88227-2>; Tue, 4 May 1993 12:43:11 -0400 Received: from chopin.udel.edu ([128.175.13.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Tue, 4 May 1993 12:32:42 -0400 Received: by chopin.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA26434; Tue, 4 May 1993 12:31:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199305041631.AA26434@chopin.udel.edu> From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 12:31:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.2 7/11/90) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: New W30 User Status: R Hi All. I just subscribed to this group. I also just purchased a used W30. I like it a lot, but I'm having trouble dealing with my samples. Is there an easy way to truncate? I am having trouble finding this option! Any info appreciated. -jon From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 13:00:45 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88229-1>; Tue, 4 May 1993 13:00:30 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.2.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Tue, 4 May 1993 12:55:54 -0400 Received: from admin.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <13368-0@pat.uio.no>; Tue, 4 May 1993 18:54:40 +0200 Received: from [129.240.4.213] by admin.uio.no ; Tue, 4 May 1993 18:54:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 12:54:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9305041654.AAadmin09553@admin.uio.no> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) From: thomas.flemming@usit.uio.no (Thomas Flemming) X-Sender: thomasfl@bilbo.uio.no Subject: Re: New W30 User Status: R At 12:31 04-05-93 -0400, Jon Deutsch wrote: >Hi All. I just subscribed to this group. I also just purchased >a used W30. I like it a lot, but I'm having trouble dealing with >my samples. Is there an easy way to truncate? I am having trouble >finding this option! > It`s frame 57. Type USER two times and then 57, and you should be there. The long path is: type Sound-button,sampling, wave edit and truncate. > -jon Thomas Flemming From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 13:00:45 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88229-1>; Tue, 4 May 1993 13:00:30 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.2.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Tue, 4 May 1993 12:55:54 -0400 Received: from admin.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <13368-0@pat.uio.no>; Tue, 4 May 1993 18:54:40 +0200 Received: from [129.240.4.213] by admin.uio.no ; Tue, 4 May 1993 18:54:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 12:54:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9305041654.AAadmin09553@admin.uio.no> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) From: thomas.flemming@usit.uio.no (Thomas Flemming) X-Sender: thomasfl@bilbo.uio.no Subject: Re: New W30 User Status: R At 12:31 04-05-93 -0400, Jon Deutsch wrote: >Hi All. I just subscribed to this group. I also just purchased >a used W30. I like it a lot, but I'm having trouble dealing with >my samples. Is there an easy way to truncate? I am having trouble >finding this option! > It`s frame 57. Type USER two times and then 57, and you should be there. The long path is: type Sound-button,sampling, wave edit and truncate. > -jon Thomas Flemming From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 14:41:00 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88220-3>; Tue, 4 May 1993 14:40:56 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <32>; Tue, 4 May 1993 14:35:21 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA23556; Tue, 4 May 93 14:33:36 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA17174; Tue, 4 May 93 14:33:36 EDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 14:33:36 -0400 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9305041833.AA17174@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R Subject: New W30 User At 12:31 04-05-93 -0400, Jon Deutsch wrote: >Hi All. I just subscribed to this group. I also just purchased >a used W30. I like it a lot, but I'm having trouble dealing with >my samples. Is there an easy way to truncate? I am having trouble >finding this option! At Tue, 4 May 1993 12:54:35 Thomas Fleming answered: > It`s frame 57. Type USER two times and then 57, and you should be there. > The long path is: type Sound-button,sampling, wave edit and truncate. Once you're there, keep the sample start and loop start values at 0 and decrease sample end (or is that loop end?) until it is at the start of the sound. When you no longer hear any clicks when pressing a key you have found the start of the sample. Note the sample end's value, increase it and apply the recorded value to the sample start. When you do a truncate, all the silence at the beginning of the tone is deleted. Remember, playing a key lower than the "original key" plays the sample slower (and lower in pitch) which can be useful in finding the start of the sound. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 14:51:04 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88220-1>; Tue, 4 May 1993 14:50:57 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <38>; Tue, 4 May 1993 14:46:14 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10810; Tue, 4 May 93 12:41:20 MDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 14:41:20 -0400 From: George_Demarest@univel.com To: Message-Id: <9305041841.AA10810@gateway.univel.com> Apparently-To: Status: R >From gfd Tue May 4 09:47 EDT 1993 remote from sfgfd From: gfd@sfgfd.NJ.univel.COM To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Cc: gfd Received: from sfgfd by shark.nj.univel.COM; Tue, 4 May 93 10:03 EDT Subject: The sgroup library is dissolved! Content-Length: 2469 Content-Type: text Well, I though that would get your attention! Anyway, I have long felt that I have been a fairly miserable failure as your humble librarian and I now prepare to hand off these duties to another capable soul. I am therefore canvassing the sgroup for some kindly person who would like to administer the sgroup library (some 60 disks, I should think). The library is actually pitifully easy to do (adding much to my shame in being so lame about it :-). My work and home situation has simply not left me with the time, the energy and the focus to vigorously pursue the library to its logical conclusion. Still, the current library is quite impressive and has been formed and shaped by the considerable talents of several people, whom I hope will accept my sincere thanks. Down to business: To pick up the dropped ball of the sgroup library is simple: someone should just send me 60 or so blank DSDD disks. I will make copies of the entire library and send it out to them with the proviso that they agree to carry on the duties of distributing the sgroup samples in a like manner to what I have done to date (ie publish a list of what's in the library when new things are added and to specify guidelines of swapping samples that seem fit to you). The guidlines I set were for my own purposes and are not necessarily meant to be permanent. Do it how YOU would like to do it. I would recommend that the new librarian have either an S-330 or an S-550 since both of these can read S-50 disks fairly easily whereas it is a bit of a pain the other way around. Otherwise, the swapping of disks has been quite light and handleable over the years so you really aren't stepping into a hornet's nest (even if I may have made it sound so in the past (drama! drama!)). I am not foresaking the sgroup by any means (although I am in the process of selling my S-50 (ah! the shame! :-) ). I just think the library could be 5 times as large and as good if someone were really, proactively pursuing it. So, allow this old soldier to lay down his burden, and contact me soon if you wish to take on this legendary position ;-> Otherwise, I will declare the library dead on June 1st. Aloha! Sincerely, George F Demarest P.S. I find it excellent and bizarre that I have never met any of you. All of you who are, in reality, just artificial intelligence programs (I suspect Bill Fox especially :-), please disregard the above. All others, be warned! From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 15:36:06 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88231-1>; Tue, 4 May 1993 15:36:04 -0400 Received: from chopin.udel.edu ([128.175.13.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Tue, 4 May 1993 15:30:13 -0400 Received: by chopin.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA07275; Tue, 4 May 1993 15:28:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199305041928.AA07275@chopin.udel.edu> From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 15:28:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.2 7/11/90) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: More W30 questions... Status: R What's the latest OS version (I have 1.05)? Also, are SCSI options still avaiable anywhere? -jon From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 15:55:07 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88231-2>; Tue, 4 May 1993 15:55:03 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Tue, 4 May 1993 15:48:56 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11465; Tue, 4 May 93 13:43:31 MDT Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 15:43:29 -0400 From: George_Demarest@univel.com To: Message-Id: <9305041943.AA11465@gateway.univel.com> Apparently-To: Status: R >From gfd Tue May 4 15:45 EDT 1993 remote from sfgfd From: gfd@sfgfd.NJ.univel.COM To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from sfgfd by shark.nj.univel.COM; Tue, 4 May 93 15:54 EDT Subject: The sgroup library is dissolved! Content-Length: 2470 Content-Type: text Well, I though that would get your attention! Anyway, I have long felt that I have been a fairly miserable failure as your humble librarian and I now prepare to hand off these duties to another capable soul. I am therefore canvassing the sgroup for some kindly person who would like to administer the sgroup library (some 60 disks, I should think). The library is actually pitifully easy to do (adding much to my shame in being so lame about it :-). My work and home situation has simply not left me with the time, the energy and the focus to vigorously pursue the library to its logical conclusion. Still, the current library is quite impressive and has been formed and shaped by the considerable talents of several people, whom I hope will accept my sincere thanks. Down to business: To pick up the dropped ball of the sgroup library is simple: someone should just send me 60 or so blank DSDD disks. I will make copies of the entire library and send it out to them with the proviso that they agree to carry on the duties of distributing the sgroup samples in a like manner to what I have done to date (ie publish a list of what's in the library when new things are added and to specify guidelines of swapping samples that seem fit to you). The guidlines I set were for my own purposes and are not necessarily meant to be permanent. Do it how YOU would like to do it. I would recommend that the new librarian have either an S-330 or an S-550 since both of these can read S-50 disks fairly easily whereas it is a bit of a pain the other way around. Otherwise, the swapping of disks has been quite light and handleable over the years so you really aren't stepping into a hornet's nest (even if I may have made it sound so in the past (drama! drama!)). I am not foresaking the sgroup by any means (although I am in the process of selling my S-50 (ah! the shame! :-) ). I just think the library could be 5 times as large and as good if someone were really, proactively pursuing it. So, allow this old soldier to lay down his burden, and contact me soon if you wish to take on this legendary position ;-> Otherwise, I will declare the library dead on June 1st. Aloha! Sincerely, George F Demarest P.S. I find it excellent and bizarre that I have never met any of you. All of you who are, in reality, just artificial intelligence programs (I suspect Bill Fox especially :-), please disregard the above. All others, be warned! From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 16:14:02 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88231-3>; Tue, 4 May 1993 16:13:52 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 4 May 93 16:13:41 -0400 Received: from hub.ucsb.edu ([128.111.24.40]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Tue, 4 May 1993 16:07:50 -0400 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu by hub.ucsb.edu; id AA22031 sendmail 4.1/UCSB-2.0-sun Tue, 4 May 93 13:06:03 PDT for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <9305042006.AA22031@hub.ucsb.edu> Received: by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (1.37.109.4/MCL.UCSB-HP-16.5) id AA02240; Tue, 4 May 93 13:05:43 -0700 From: Andrew Voltmer Subject: REQ: SCSI for S-50 To: sgroup@lotus Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 16:05:43 -0400 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: R Has anyone ever seen a SCSI mod for a S-50 sampler. I was told that there was a place in Los Angeles that used to do it but I don't know if they still do. If you have any information about how to get one or how to connect any type of hard disk to a S-50 please let me know. Thanks. Andrew Voltmer voltmer@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 18:32:49 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88235-1>; Tue, 4 May 1993 18:32:42 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 4 May 93 18:32:37 -0400 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Tue, 4 May 1993 18:25:47 -0400 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.EDU by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA26138; Tue, 4 May 93 18:25:32 EDT Received: by rodan.acs.syr.EDU (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA15785; Tue, 4 May 93 18:25:05 EDT Message-Id: <9305042225.AA15785@rodan.acs.syr.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: The sgroup library is dissolved! Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 18:25:03 -0400 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R Well George, I congratulate you on your retirement, and thank you for your years of service! Don't feel too bad especially since you had to deal with a low-tech medium such as the postal service. I only own a poor S-50 so I probably wouldn't be a good candidate for the job (weasle, weasle). Hopefully one of you people will find it in your hearts and time constraints to pick up the job. Either that or we need to find someone with a Gig or two of storage space at their local ftp site and get this library on line :-) So George, did anything ever come out of the Sgroove project? neil From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 20:04:20 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88241-1>; Tue, 4 May 1993 20:04:14 -0400 Received: from chopin.udel.edu ([128.175.13.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <160>; Tue, 4 May 1993 19:58:07 -0400 Received: by chopin.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA21591; Tue, 4 May 1993 19:57:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199305042357.AA21591@chopin.udel.edu> From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 19:57:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.2 7/11/90) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: The newbie W30 with more annoying questions... Status: R Hey folks. Sorry I'm being so annoying with my questions, but I need this thing up-n-running by next week for my band's biggest gig yet. So.... I'm trying to take a sample I created (and truncated --thanks!) and make it into a patch. Of course, I am unable to do this. My sample is in tone bank A, #1. Any help would be, as usual, most appreciated! Oh! And also, for some reason, I get this high-frequency tone at the end of my sample. It's very short, but it's definitely audible. Any advice? Is this common? -jon From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue May 4 20:25:32 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88241-3>; Tue, 4 May 1993 20:25:27 -0400 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <162>; Tue, 4 May 1993 20:21:12 -0400 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.EDU by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA28934; Tue, 4 May 93 20:22:19 EDT Received: by rodan.acs.syr.EDU (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA26141; Tue, 4 May 93 20:21:54 EDT Message-Id: <9305050021.AA26141@rodan.acs.syr.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: The newbie W30 with more annoying questions... Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 20:21:53 -0400 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R Jon, can't help you with the W30 specific question, but: >Oh! And also, for some reason, I get this high-frequency tone at the >end of my sample. It's very short, but it's definitely audible. >Any advice? Is this common? Yeah, I just asked this not too long ago and found out why. The sound is caused by the sudden transient from a positive or negative value to zero. Thus it's a problem in any sample truncating situation. My solution is to just slowly move the sample end point a few samples at a time until the sound dissapears (where I'm cutting the sound near a zero point). There are other solutions (and probably more scientific) but this works for me. neil From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 01:42:29 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-1>; Wed, 5 May 1993 01:42:24 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 5 May 93 01:42:19 -0400 Received: from nuscc.nus.sg ([137.132.3.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <164>; Wed, 5 May 1993 01:38:19 -0400 Received: from nusunix2.nus.sg by nuscc.nus.sg (5.65/1.34) id AA00206; Wed, 5 May 93 13:38:01 +0800 Received: by nusunix2.nus.sg (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA04330; Wed, 5 May 93 13:37:58 +0800 Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 01:37:58 -0400 From: _ Subject: W/30 To: sgroup@lotus Message-Id: Status: R I'm thinking of buying the W/30 from a friend of mine. Yes, I've asked this before but just that I viewed it yesterday. I've checked with my local music store and they don't do RAM upgrading for the W/30. Is it feasible, in every sense of the word, to get help from P/S considering that I'm miles away in Singapore? Any help offered will be deeply appreciated. Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Andy Chia Poh Hwa * * * * National University of Singapore * * * * Contact me at E-MAIL: * * * * <<<< eng30017@nusunix.nus.sg >>>> * * * * "because imagination is more important * * than knowledge." Albert Einstein * * * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 04:06:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88159-3>; Wed, 5 May 1993 04:05:56 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168>; Wed, 5 May 1993 04:00:55 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA17132; Wed, 5 May 93 10:00:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 04:00:26 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305050800.AA17132@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: George_Demarest@univel.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: SGroup Status: R > I find it excellent and bizarre that I have never met any of you. All of > you who are, in reality, just artificial intelligence programs (I suspect Bill > Fox especially :-), please disregard the above. All others, be warned! Wouldn't an AI be the ideal librarian? All that easily accessible storage... :-) Cheers, / h+ By a funny coincidence re-reading the Neuromancer series this week From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 09:08:40 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Wed, 5 May 1993 09:08:28 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 5 May 93 09:08:19 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Wed, 5 May 1993 09:03:38 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18257; Wed, 5 May 93 06:58:47 MDT Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 08:58:47 -0400 From: George_Demarest@univel.com To: Message-Id: <9305051258.AA18257@gateway.univel.com> Apparently-To: Status: R >From gfd Wed May 5 09:01 EDT 1993 remote from sfgfd From: gfd@sfgfd.NJ.univel.COM To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Cc: gfd Received: from sfgfd by shark.nj.univel.COM; Wed, 5 May 93 09:10 EDT Subject: Re: The sgroup library is dissolved! Content-Length: 1024 Content-Type: text > Well George, I congratulate you on your retirement, and thank you for your > years of service! Don't feel too bad especially since you had to deal with > low-tech medium such as the postal service. twernt nuthin. > I only own a poor S-50 so I probably wouldn't be a good candidate for the > job (weasle, weasle). Hopefully one of you people will find it in your > hearts and time constraints to pick up the job. I assume there are plenty of like minded weasles out there :-) but I was speaking in earnest when I said that it really isn't that big a job. I have just been in a low point in my musical activities and arranging and writing some of my world-shattering masterpieces becomes a better use of what little time I do have in my studio (I can see you all getting misty-eyed with sympathy :-) > So George, did anything ever come out of the Sgroove project? Ouch! Another conspicuous lameness on my part. Yes, something WILL come out of it. So help me Roland... I will let y'all know. gfd > neil From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 09:23:55 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-1>; Wed, 5 May 1993 09:23:53 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 5 May 93 09:23:50 -0400 Received: from chopin.udel.edu ([128.175.13.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <171>; Wed, 5 May 1993 09:19:25 -0400 Received: by chopin.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA12547; Wed, 5 May 1993 09:19:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199305051319.AA12547@chopin.udel.edu> From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 09:19:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.2 7/11/90) To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Hey, remember me? Status: R I'm Mr. FAQ. Since it seems that it's possible to pop samples onto a PC with this nifty utility that I've yet-to-grab, wouldn't it be feasible to put some S50/W30/etc samples up on an FTP site for all to enjoy? Also, I figured out how to turn a tone into a patch (you HAVE to use SPLIT more, for crying out loud!). So, I'm now offically happy. I'm also quite impressed with the apparent quality of this 12-bit sampler. Just thought I'd share that... -jon, (aka Mr. FAQ) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 11:29:58 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Wed, 5 May 1993 11:29:52 -0400 Received: from ns.encore.com ([129.91.131.22]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <172>; Wed, 5 May 1993 11:21:02 -0400 Received: from ranger.encore.com by ns.encore.com with SMTP id AA05519 (5.59/UK-2.1-930413); Wed, 5 May 93 11:21:47 EDT Received: by ranger.encore.com id AA01290 (5.54/UK-2.1-921104); Wed, 5 May 93 11:09:34 EDT From: Don Law Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 11:09:34 -0400 Message-Id: <1290.9305051509@ranger.encore.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Gig reports Status: R > From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) > > but I need this thing up-n-running by next week for my > band's biggest gig yet. Let us know if anything interesting happens and if we can learn anything from your Big Gig. I love success stories and Gigs-from-Hell stories. I guess we should keep it related to Roland samplers, though. Stuff about a Prophet-5 falling off the stage belongs in rec.music.synth. :-) I have one coming up, but it has nothing to do with music. I'm the MC for a trivia question contest this weekend. I needed a good wrong-buzzer and right-bell like on Family Feud. I used my S-10 to sample the buzzer on my Fridgidaire dryer. Finding a loop point was no problem! :-) The thing sounds much more nasty and authoritative if the original sample is played along with the note one octave down. Now if I only had a slide of a giant red X and could sync the projector power with the note trigger! Sorry for failing to be serious, -- Don Law dlaw@gould.encore.com -- Ada Development, MS404 ...!uunet!gould!dlaw -- Encore Computer Corporation -- 6901 West Sunrise Blvd. ***** In the computer lab, ***** -- Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 11:34:50 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-1>; Wed, 5 May 1993 11:34:38 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <173>; Wed, 5 May 1993 11:29:43 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88207-3>; Wed, 5 May 1993 11:26:12 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: jon@chopin.udel.edu, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Hey, remember me? Message-Id: <93May5.112612edt.88207-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 11:26:07 -0400 Status: R | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 09:23:55 1993 | From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) | To: sgroup@lotus | Subject: Hey, remember me? | | I'm Mr. FAQ. | | Since it seems that it's possible to pop samples onto a PC with this | nifty utility that I've yet-to-grab, wouldn't it be feasible to | put some S50/W30/etc samples up on an FTP site for all to enjoy? Well, yes, it would be, and that's why there are samples on lotus.uwaterloo.ca in pub/sgroup/samples ... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 11:57:16 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88244-1>; Wed, 5 May 1993 11:56:59 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 5 May 93 11:56:47 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <174>; Wed, 5 May 1993 11:52:28 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA08136; Wed, 5 May 93 17:51:44 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 11:51:44 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305051551.AA08136@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: don@encore.com, sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: Gig reports Status: R > Let us know if anything interesting happens and if we can learn anything > from your Big Gig. I love success stories and Gigs-from-Hell stories. Well, sort of tangential: School had a big pub thing with lots of bands playing one tune each (this was for the Carnival this year - anyway...) 1,300 drunk college students. 20 bands. Would *YOU* take your Mac and sampler into that crowd? Me neither; I played from DAT. As it turns out, the PA types were part of the drunk-1,300 crowd, too, so guess who had the best sound? :-) (And guess who got TWO off the ten carnival-CD tracks? :-) Anything to keep the list going. Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 13:38:55 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-1>; Wed, 5 May 1993 13:38:43 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <175>; Wed, 5 May 1993 13:33:38 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20873; Wed, 5 May 93 11:28:38 MDT Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 13:28:38 -0400 From: George_Demarest@univel.com To: Message-Id: <9305051728.AA20873@gateway.univel.com> Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Status: R >From gfd Wed May 5 13:30 EDT 1993 remote from sfgfd From: gfd@sfgfd.NJ.univel.COM To: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se, don@encore.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from sfgfd by shark.nj.univel.COM; Wed, 5 May 93 13:40 EDT Subject: Re: Gig reports Content-Length: 695 Content-Type: text > Subject: Re: Gig reports > Status: R > > > Let us know if anything interesting happens and if we can learn anything > > from your Big Gig. I love success stories and Gigs-from-Hell stories. > > > Well, sort of tangential: > > School had a big pub thing with lots of bands playing one tune > each (this was for the Carnival this year - anyway...) > > 1,300 drunk college students. 20 bands. Would *YOU* take your > Mac and sampler into that crowd? Me neither; I played from DAT. > As it turns out, the PA types were part of the drunk-1,300 crowd, > too, so guess who had the best sound? :-) (And guess who got > TWO off the ten carnival-CD tracks? :-) Hometown boy does good!! gfd From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 5 23:13:42 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88262-1>; Wed, 5 May 1993 23:13:32 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.2.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <176>; Wed, 5 May 1993 23:04:56 -0400 Received: from admin.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <28052-0@pat.uio.no>; Thu, 6 May 1993 01:00:08 +0200 Received: from [129.240.4.213] by admin.uio.no ; Thu, 6 May 1993 01:00:01 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 19:00:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9305052300.AAadmin17850@admin.uio.no> To: don@encore.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, d88-jwa@nada.kth.se From: thomas.flemming@usit.uio.no (Thomas Flemming) X-Sender: thomasfl@bilbo.uio.no Subject: Re: Gig reports Status: R >1,300 drunk college students. 20 bands. Would *YOU* take your >Mac and sampler into that crowd? Me neither; I played from DAT. Actually I did take my sampler on stage, it was only 7 bands and 300 drunk people at most. But anyway, I climbed up on stage with my W-30 and played a continous set of 9 minutes, all crammed into a single disk. 3 short songs after each other, a little to short maybe so next time I`ll try DAT too. BTW! I`ve just sold my Atari, and purchased an Mac SE instead. I really miss Cubase tough, EZ vision even stops when you edit the notes. >Anything to keep the list going. > >Cheers, Skaal ta meg faen! (scandinavin) > / h+ Thomas Flemming From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 02:57:47 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88261-1>; Thu, 6 May 1993 02:57:41 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <178>; Thu, 6 May 1993 02:53:22 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA21824; Thu, 6 May 93 08:51:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 02:51:49 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305060651.AA21824@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se, don@encore.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, thomas.flemming@usit.uio.no Subject: Re: Gig reports Status: RO > BTW! I`ve just sold my Atari, and purchased an Mac SE instead. > I really miss Cubase tough, EZ vision even stops when you edit > the notes. I use CuBase for Mac; it's great (though the interface is confusing sometimes) It even prints out sheet music using PostScript or TrueType fonts. Cheers, / h+ PS: Uses a dongle :-( From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 12:49:30 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88276-1>; Thu, 6 May 1993 12:49:24 -0400 Received: from chopin.udel.edu ([128.175.13.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <179>; Thu, 6 May 1993 12:44:25 -0400 Received: by chopin.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA20540; Thu, 6 May 1993 12:44:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199305061644.AA20540@chopin.udel.edu> From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 12:44:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.2 7/11/90) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: W30 question Status: RO As far as I've been told, the W30 has absolutely no way of sending or receiving samples via midi. If this is true, is there a way around this with this PC->S50 (samdisk) util? Maybe an OS upgrade? Any info, as usual, is appreciated! -jon ps- If I'm causing too much traffic (I don't know what you guys are used to), let me know. I don't want to be a pain. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 12:55:04 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88276-3>; Thu, 6 May 1993 12:54:54 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <180>; Thu, 6 May 1993 12:49:56 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00925; Thu, 6 May 93 10:45:13 MDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 12:45:13 -0400 From: George_Demarest@univel.com To: Message-Id: <9305061645.AA00925@gateway.univel.com> Apparently-To: Status: RO >From gfd Thu May 6 12:47 EDT 1993 remote from sfgfd From: gfd@sfgfd.NJ.univel.COM To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from sfgfd by shark.nj.univel.COM; Thu, 6 May 93 12:56 EDT Subject: A Word from the Immortals... Content-Length: 730 Content-Type: text I just received a call from Jim Norman at Roland Corp. in California. He has access to internet and has heard word of our beloved Sgroup. He is, I believe, the equivalent of product manager for the Roland Sampler products (that's us!). He was pleased to hear to what extent we have taken the sgroup and wishes to become a resource to be used by the group. He is currently working on getting internet access at work (so far, he does it from home). He mentioned that Roland is considering setting up a bboard for downloading samples (I assume over the phone, but I didn't get to ask). I gave him John's name and the internet address for the list. Please be nice to him :-) Anyway, he seemed like a nice fellow. cool... gfd From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 13:11:10 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88277-3>; Thu, 6 May 1993 13:11:07 -0400 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <181>; Thu, 6 May 1993 13:06:32 -0400 Received: from banana (banana.msfc.nasa.gov) by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA28683; Thu, 6 May 93 12:05:56 CDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 13:05:56 -0400 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9305061705.AA28683@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: The Immortals... Status: RO If you happen to speak to him again, ask him if there's a utility that will allow an S-750 to write a disk in S-550 format. I've got several samples that I'd be willing to contribute, if anyone else could read them... :-( Dave C. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 13:30:21 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88278-3>; Thu, 6 May 1993 13:30:13 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <182>; Thu, 6 May 1993 13:24:41 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01312; Thu, 6 May 93 11:19:39 MDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 13:19:39 -0400 From: George_Demarest@univel.com To: Message-Id: <9305061719.AA01312@gateway.univel.com> Apparently-To: Status: RO >From gfd Thu May 6 13:22 EDT 1993 remote from sfgfd From: gfd@sfgfd.NJ.univel.COM To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from sfgfd by shark.nj.univel.COM; Thu, 6 May 93 13:30 EDT Subject: Re: The Immortals... Content-Length: 501 Content-Type: text I neglected to mention that Jim gave me his number and asked me to publish it to the group (how's that for unusual!). To wit: Jim Norman 213-685-5141 X302 Give him a call and tell him "Neil" sent ya' :-) gfd > Subject: Re: The Immortals... > > If you happen to speak to him again, ask him if there's a utility that > will allow an S-750 to write a disk in S-550 format. I've got > several samples that I'd be willing to contribute, if anyone > else could read them... :-( > > Dave C. > From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 13:51:46 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88278-3>; Thu, 6 May 1993 13:51:35 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <183>; Thu, 6 May 1993 13:47:27 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA00991; Thu, 6 May 93 13:40:07 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA24247; Thu, 6 May 93 13:40:08 EDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 13:40:08 -0400 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9305061740.AA24247@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: W30 Questions Status: RO Jon Deutsch, self proclaimed sgroup newbie, asked: > As far as I've been told, the W30 has absolutely no way of sending > or receiving samples via midi. If this is true, is there a way Sorry; I'm an S550 person and don't know that answer. I suspect that you can if the computer's software knows the proper sysex request bytes to send. Check the sysex implementation chart in the back of your manual, if you got one with your used W30. > around this with this PC->S50 (samdisk) util? Maybe an OS upgrade? > Any info, as usual, is appreciated! The W30 can read/write S550 disks (and S50, too? I forget.) So if you use that format, samdisk is definitely the way to go! > ps- If I'm causing too much traffic (I don't know what you guys are > used to), let me know. I don't want to be a pain. No worries, mate. Don't worry; be happy. No problemo! :-) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 14:08:01 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88279-2>; Thu, 6 May 1993 14:07:56 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <184>; Thu, 6 May 1993 14:02:31 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA03056; Thu, 6 May 93 13:57:03 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA26761; Thu, 6 May 93 13:57:04 EDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 13:57:04 -0400 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9305061757.AA26761@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: RO Subject: Re: The sgroup library is dissolved! >P.S. I find it excellent and bizarre that I have never met any of you. All of >you who are, in reality, just artificial intelligence programs (I suspect Bill >Fox especially :-), please disregard the above. All others, be warned! Ouch! (And we HAVE met. George makes great guacamole!) >To pick up the dropped ball of the sgroup library is simple: someone should >just send me 60 or so blank DSDD disks. I will make copies of the entire I'm considering it. George, will you accept unformatted disks? "And if elected, I will use samdisk and upload the library to the castovalva ftp site." Artificially yours, Bill "the Intelligent" Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 15:01:00 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88264-2>; Thu, 6 May 1993 15:00:55 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Thu, 6 May 1993 14:55:37 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02254; Thu, 6 May 93 12:50:40 MDT Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 14:50:40 -0400 From: George_Demarest@univel.com To: Message-Id: <9305061850.AA02254@gateway.univel.com> Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Status: RO >From gfd Thu May 6 14:53 EDT 1993 remote from sfgfd From: gfd@sfgfd.NJ.univel.COM Received: from sfgfd by shark.nj.univel.COM; Thu, 6 May 93 15:01 EDT To: wbf@aluxpo.att.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Content-Length: 800 Content-Type: text Subject: Re: The sgroup library is dissolved! Ouch! (And we HAVE met. George makes great guacamole!) jes kidding!! I can cook AND sample! Whew! > >To pick up the dropped ball of the sgroup library is simple: someone should > >just send me 60 or so blank DSDD disks. I will make copies of the entire > I'm considering it. George, will you accept unformatted disks? > "And if elected, I will use samdisk and upload the library to the > castovalva ftp site." strong words from a strong contender. Yes, I will take unformatted disks. I will not even ask for return postage. Plus, now that this job is *SO* glamorous, I imagine the next librarian will receive calls regularly from Paul McCartney, et al. :-) gfd > Artificially yours, > Bill "the Intelligent" Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 15:49:13 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88278-3>; Thu, 6 May 1993 15:49:08 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <186>; Thu, 6 May 1993 15:43:07 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA24067; Thu, 6 May 93 21:41:11 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 15:41:11 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305061941.AA24067@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: The Immortals... Status: R > If you happen to speak to him again, ask him if there's a utility that >will allow an S-750 to write a disk in S-550 format. I've got >several samples that I'd be willing to contribute, if anyone >else could read them... :-( But of COURSE I can! Didya know that Roland now has a sample player with editting and re-saving of samples that looks VERY MUCH like a S-750 they removed the input holes from? If there was a convenient way of getting external waves into the S-750, this one could be quite interesting (I don't know if it does the full spectrum; they might have removed Sample Edit 2 with Wave Draws and Time Stretch etc for instance) Could also be good for extending polyphony; I have actually run out of the 24 voices in the 750 (once - and then I could use performance resampling to get out of that) Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 6 19:11:56 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88282-1>; Thu, 6 May 1993 19:11:48 -0400 Received: from hercules.cs.uregina.ca ([142.3.200.90]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <187>; Thu, 6 May 1993 19:03:57 -0400 Received: by hercules.cs.uregina.ca (5.61/1.34) id AA24662; Thu, 6 May 93 17:03:31 -0600 From: keeler@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Jason Keeler) Message-Id: <9305062303.AA24662@hercules.cs.uregina.ca> Subject: MIDI programming in C To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler Group) Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 19:03:30 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R I'll try to make this short so please bear with me. I've recently taken it upon myself to learn C (about the only language I don't know for whatever reason). Anyhow, I've just been learning ANSI C to get a grasp on the basics. Seems pretty straightforward so far. I'm starting to get interested in the idea of MIDI programming. More specif- ically, I thought that converting samdisk to a Windows 3.1 platform would be a fun project (although it probably wouldn't get done until October as I'm going to Singapore for most of the summer). The thing is is that while I'm still a student (until May 28) I can get software phenominally cheap. I thought I might snag a compiler before I go and work on something when I get back. I was hoping that someone here could recommend a good compiler. I am aware that Microsoft Visual C is now avail- able and if it is anything like Visual Basic this might be a good contender. Thanx in advance, ...Jason From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri May 7 09:01:02 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Fri, 7 May 1993 09:00:56 -0400 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <188>; Fri, 7 May 1993 08:55:08 -0400 Received: from banana (banana.msfc.nasa.gov) by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA06361; Fri, 7 May 93 07:54:37 CDT Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 08:54:36 -0400 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9305071254.AA06361@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R George sez: >I can cook AND sample! Whew! Just don't get them mixed up! :-) Dave C. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri May 7 14:53:50 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88174-3>; Fri, 7 May 1993 14:53:47 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 7 May 93 14:53:40 -0400 Received: from qualcomm.com ([129.46.4.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Fri, 7 May 1993 14:45:53 -0400 Received: by qualcomm.com; id AA02612 sendmail 5.65/QC-main-2.1 Fri, 7 May 93 11:45:14 -0700 for sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 14:45:14 -0400 From: medwards@qualcomm.com (Matt Edwards) Message-Id: <9305071845.AA02612@qualcomm.com> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Disk drive problem Status: R My s-50 disk drive is acting strange. It seems sometimes like it needs to 'warm up' for about 10 minutes before it'll read a disk. Knocking on the top of the drive seems to help. It reads REALLY slow and gives you an error after about 5 minutes or so. After it's 'warmed up' it still has problems reading about half the disks. (they used to all work fine). Is the drive just dirty? Suggestions? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri May 7 15:27:37 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88174-1>; Fri, 7 May 1993 15:27:31 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 7 May 93 15:27:20 -0400 Received: from gateway.univel.com ([137.65.12.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Fri, 7 May 1993 15:23:10 -0400 Received: from shark.nj.univel.COM by gateway.univel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04832; Fri, 7 May 93 13:18:30 MDT Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 15:18:29 -0400 From: George_Demarest@univel.com To: Message-Id: <9305071918.AA04832@gateway.univel.com> Apparently-To: Status: R >From gfd Fri May 7 15:20 EDT 1993 remote from sfgfd From: gfd@sfgfd.NJ.univel.COM To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: from sfgfd by shark.nj.univel.COM; Fri, 7 May 93 15:30 EDT Subject: Re: Disk drive problem Content-Length: 877 Content-Type: text Matt et al, I had a similar problem when I had had my entire library on high-density rather than the required DSDD (double-sided double density) disks. You may want to try getting a disk-drive cleaning set (generally fairly cheap) and do that a bit. Disks drives generally don't "warm up", so you may want to get the drive itself serviced. Hope this helps. gfd > To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > Subject: Disk drive problem > Status: R > > > My s-50 disk drive is acting strange. It seems sometimes like it needs > to 'warm up' for about 10 minutes before it'll read a disk. Knocking > on the top of the drive seems to help. It reads REALLY slow and > gives you an error after about 5 minutes or so. > > After it's 'warmed up' it still has problems reading about half the > disks. (they used to all work fine). > > Is the drive just dirty? Suggestions? > > From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 12:34:47 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88184-1>; Wed, 26 May 1993 12:34:44 -0400 Received: from world.std.com ([192.74.137.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <247>; Sat, 15 May 1993 19:03:22 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02968; Sat, 15 May 1993 19:03:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 18:59:22 -0400 From: michael gary moncur Subject: Re: S550 MIDI Volume To: SGroup Post In-Reply-To: <9303172032.AA01507@alux1.cnet.att.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Just a note - I finally tried this on my S-330. I used some vocal samples and some looped synths, and tried sending rapid-fire sequences of volume-change messages while a note played. It works quite well... Slower speeds (0 to 127 and back 8 times per measure, 4/4 time, 120-180 bpm) resulted in a good rythmic effect. Faster speeds tend to result in a bit of buzzing, but that's to be expected. I'll definitely be using this in a few songs... ~`~` michael moncur, BC, OEADM - mgm@world.std.com - moncur@delphi.com ~`~` "So little time and so little to do." -- Oscar Levant From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 12:34:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-2>; Wed, 26 May 1993 12:34:53 -0400 Received: from nuscc.nus.sg ([137.132.3.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Fri, 7 May 1993 20:01:37 -0400 Received: from nusunix3.nus.sg by nuscc.nus.sg (5.65/1.34) id AA03395; Sat, 8 May 93 08:01:01 +0800 Received: by nusunix3.nus.sg (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26319; Sat, 8 May 93 08:00:57 +0800 From: isc10328@nusunix3.nus.sg (FONG SIU LUN) Message-Id: <9305080000.AA26319@nusunix3.nus.sg> Subject: RE: SCSI interface for W30 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 20:00:56 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Hello one and all... I read somewhere that it was actually possible to make the W30 upgrade kit which is supposed to be able to connect to a HDD. Has anyone out there managed to hotwire the thing from scratch? If so, I would really like the circuit diagram for the thing. Thanks in advance. regards, -Brian- Internet: isc10328@nusunix.nus.sg From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 12:34:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-3>; Wed, 26 May 1993 12:34:46 -0400 Received: from chopin.udel.edu ([128.175.13.17]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <248>; Sun, 16 May 1993 00:01:40 -0400 Received: by chopin.udel.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.2.8) id AA08199; Sun, 16 May 1993 00:01:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199305160401.AA08199@chopin.udel.edu> From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 00:01:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.2 7/11/90) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: My W30 broke! Status: R I just got a used W30 over the net and it arrived in good shape. BUT, tonight, a problem arose: When the pitch bender is in "default" position, it sends random pitch bend values to the synth. So, when I'm not bending, I get random pitches!! When I bend the stick in either direction, the random values cease and all sounds fine. So, for the time being, I can set each patch for 0 pitch bend value, which "solves" the problem. The thing is, it sounds like it's a simple potentiometer (sp) problem. And I'm hesitant to send this into the shop so I can get heaftily overcharged. So, has anyone had this problem and know how to solve it quickly/easily? -jon From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 12:34:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88194-1>; Wed, 26 May 1993 12:34:50 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au ([131.217.1.19]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <223>; Fri, 14 May 1993 02:54:13 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA22649 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.CA); Fri, 14 May 93 16:52:56 +1000 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01GY6854KRN495NC14@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Fri, 14 May 1993 16:52:46 +1000 Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 02:52:46 -0400 From: Rodney Foley Subject: Looking for Ethnic samples on CD-ROM or SYQUEST cartridge. To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <01GY6854L1AQ95NC14@ecc.tased.edu.au> X-Envelope-To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.CA X-Vms-To: IN%"sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.CA" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: R I am trying to get hold of some ethnic instrument samples for my S-750 ( the usual flutes and drums plus some unusual stuff), preferably CD-ROM or 44 MEG SYQUEST cartridge . I have spoken to Roland Australia and they say they do not stock any of these samples, even though the March 93 catalogue they distributed shows a 44MEG Cartridge of ethnic samples. The local Roland product specialist is on holidays, and the people I spoke to didn't appear to know much about what they stocked, they told me Roland only imports three SYQUEST sample cartridges ( the Percusion RSA701, Bass Guitar RSA702 and the Orchestra RSA704) and it would not be possible to get the cartridge I want (RSA710 Ethnic).Does anybody outside Australia know if this cartridge is still available. Alternatively does anybody know of any CD-ROMS for the 750/770 that contain a variety of ethnic samples i.e. 20 MEG or more. I believe Roland also released a CD-ROM containing the contents of the ethnic cartridge plus some other cartridges ( Order number LCD701 Title "CD ROM S750/770 Sound Library"). Does anybody know if this is available ? Roland Australia say no. George mentioned that Jim Norman (Roland Corp.) was trying to get internet access, perhaps if Jim is reading this or someone knows how to contact him, he may be able to help me with this enquiry. Any help greatly appreciated. Rodney Foley From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 12:35:17 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-3>; Wed, 26 May 1993 12:35:10 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <253>; Wed, 19 May 1993 09:17:31 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA29306; Wed, 19 May 93 09:13:15 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA16523; Wed, 19 May 93 09:13:14 EDT Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 09:13:14 -0400 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9305191313.AA16523@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R Subject: Velocity Controls TVF Dennis Barton and I started a thread on Analog Heaven that I thought would be more appropriate to be continued here on the good ol' sgroup. I have an S550 and Dennis an S330. We were talking about controlling the TVF from velocity. Dennis: > I know you can control VCF from velocity but I can never seem to get that to > work well on my Roland sampler. Maybe you can give me some of the TVF > settings that makes this work well? Me: > I'm at work so this is off the top of my head. In order for > velocity to affect the TVF, you'll have to lower the cutoff frequency a > bit for the velocity control to have some room to operate and be heard. > I also like to play with the multistage envelope on the TVF and throw in > some resonance. Dennis again: > I have tried bascially what you are saying about the TVF and it works but > not very well. Is it possible for you to write down the TVF setting > including the EG info from something that seems to work well? That would be > a big help. Last night I played with my TVF and even called Roland. Here's the scoop. 1. To eliminate the TVA from affecting the sound, I set L. CURVE to 0 so it no longer responded to velocity. This allowed me to hear my experiments with the TVF without interference from loudness/volume changes. 2. In order to get an audible result from velocity control of the TVF, I reduced CUT-OFF to about 85, set EG DEPTH to 127 (for maximum effect), and increased VEL-RATE to a non-0 value. Now velocity will control rate of point 1 of the EG. So, for point 1, set RATE < 127 and LEVEL > 0. High velocity increases the rate, low velocity decreases the rate. Roland (Scott Sommers) said that the S550 can only do velocity control of the EG point 1 rate. What I wish the S550 could do is have velocity control CUT-OFF and/or EG DEPTH. I would find these more useful. Can anybody check this out on the S770? > Also, whats up with the TVF LFO? It seems to sweep up and thats it. Is this > the crappiest LFO in the world or I am doing something wrong? My 106 has > wonderful long filter sweeps that seem imposible on the sampler. (NOTE: Dennis and I were originally talking about Juno-106.) I forgot to play with the LFO last night, sorry. LFO waveform and rate are set on a different screen. Unfortunately, that one LFO is used to control the TVA, too, instead of having separate LFOs. But the FLO depth is set on the TVF screen. For sweeps, try an 8 stage EG, EG DEPTH of 127 (too much?), and either a negative EG POLARITY or a reduced CUT-OFF value. Oh, and add some resonance! Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 12:40:24 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-1>; Wed, 26 May 1993 12:40:13 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 26 May 93 12:39:56 -0400 Received: from nuscc.nus.sg ([137.132.3.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Fri, 7 May 1993 20:01:37 -0400 Received: from nusunix3.nus.sg by nuscc.nus.sg (5.65/1.34) id AA03395; Sat, 8 May 93 08:01:01 +0800 Received: by nusunix3.nus.sg (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA26319; Sat, 8 May 93 08:00:57 +0800 From: isc10328@nusunix3.nus.sg (FONG SIU LUN) Message-Id: <9305080000.AA26319@nusunix3.nus.sg> Subject: RE: SCSI interface for W30 To: sgroup@lotus Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 20:00:56 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Hello one and all... I read somewhere that it was actually possible to make the W30 upgrade kit which is supposed to be able to connect to a HDD. Has anyone out there managed to hotwire the thing from scratch? If so, I would really like the circuit diagram for the thing. Thanks in advance. regards, -Brian- Internet: isc10328@nusunix.nus.sg From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 12:41:44 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-2>; Wed, 26 May 1993 12:41:41 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 26 May 93 12:41:27 -0400 Received: from world.std.com ([192.74.137.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <247>; Sat, 15 May 1993 19:03:22 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA02968; Sat, 15 May 1993 19:03:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 18:59:22 -0400 From: michael gary moncur Subject: Re: S550 MIDI Volume To: SGroup Post In-Reply-To: <9303172032.AA01507@alux1.cnet.att.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Just a note - I finally tried this on my S-330. I used some vocal samples and some looped synths, and tried sending rapid-fire sequences of volume-change messages while a note played. It works quite well... Slower speeds (0 to 127 and back 8 times per measure, 4/4 time, 120-180 bpm) resulted in a good rythmic effect. Faster speeds tend to result in a bit of buzzing, but that's to be expected. I'll definitely be using this in a few songs... ~`~` michael moncur, BC, OEADM - mgm@world.std.com - moncur@delphi.com ~`~` "So little time and so little to do." -- Oscar Levant From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 13:01:31 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-2>; Wed, 26 May 1993 13:01:28 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 26 May 93 13:01:20 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <198>; Wed, 26 May 1993 12:36:56 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88181-1>; Wed, 26 May 1993 12:36:43 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus Subject: mailer woes .... Message-Id: <93May26.123643edt.88181-1@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 12:36:29 -0400 Status: R I was wondering why sgroup had been very quiet lately, and so I went to look, and lo and behold, the mailer was dead. Which explains the big flood of mail that you, with any luck, just received. Sorry about that ... John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 13:30:05 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-2>; Wed, 26 May 1993 13:30:01 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 26 May 93 13:29:52 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <38>; Wed, 26 May 1993 13:05:32 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA21050; Wed, 26 May 93 18:59:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 12:59:32 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305261659.AA21050@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus, wbf@aluxpo.att.com Subject: Modulation of filters Status: R Filters were the main reason I bought a S-750 and not somthing else (such as a SampleCell for instance; the II wasn't available back then) > Roland (Scott Sommers) said that the S550 can only do velocity > control of the EG point 1 rate. What I wish the S550 could do is have > velocity control CUT-OFF and/or EG DEPTH. I would find these more > useful. Can anybody check this out on the S770? Works like a charm. Are you SURE he didn't mean "the only POINT that can be controlled is point 1" ? Cheers. / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 14:13:20 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-1>; Wed, 26 May 1993 14:13:13 -0400 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <190>; Wed, 26 May 1993 13:29:58 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 26 May 93 13:13:20 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA21552; Wed, 26 May 93 19:05:28 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 13:05:28 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305261705.AA21552@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: IT_RODNEY@ecc.tased.edu.au, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Looking for Ethnic samples on CD-ROM or SYQUEST cartridge. Status: R Well, I have 15 Roland SyQuest cartridges; three of which are called "Noise" "Percussion" and "Afro Latin" - the one I call "Noise" is numbered 10 and contains: "Afro Latin" is number 12: Lots of percussion, no flutes There are S550 CD-ROMs, like "Sound Universe" that contain some ethnic samples Cheers, / h+ PS: No, I cannot upload 15x44MB even though I want to :-) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 15:08:28 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-1>; Wed, 26 May 1993 15:08:21 -0400 Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.10.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Wed, 26 May 1993 14:59:13 -0400 Received: by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 26 May 93 14:58:18 EDT Received: via switchmail; Wed, 26 May 1993 14:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 May 1993 14:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 May 1993 14:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.0.1.23.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 26 May 1993 14:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 14:58:01 -0400 From: Brian T Cheek To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Looking for Ethnic samples on CD-ROM or SYQUEST cartridge. In-Reply-To: <01GY6854L1AQ95NC14@ecc.tased.edu.au> Status: R What SyQuests exist for the S770 beyond RSA 8 Techno FX? -Brian :) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed May 26 20:39:06 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88175-2>; Wed, 26 May 1993 20:39:01 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Wed, 26 May 1993 20:34:16 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA13951; Wed, 26 May 93 13:55:45 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA00856; Wed, 26 May 93 13:55:46 EDT Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 13:55:46 -0400 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9305261755.AA00856@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: TVF Status: R A week ago, I said: > Roland (Scott Sommers) said that the S550 can only do velocity > control of the EG point 1 rate. What I wish the S550 could do is have > velocity control CUT-OFF and/or EG DEPTH. I would find these more > useful. Can anybody check this out on the S770? Then John fixed the mailer so / h+ could read my post and reply: > Works like a charm. Are you SURE he didn't mean "the only POINT that > can be controlled is point 1" ? What I thought Scott said was, "Velocity can control the rate that leads to EG point 1." Of course he relied heavily on the manual (as did I) and there's always the possibility that I misunderstood. But my experiments seemed to verify that statement. I can't find a way to have velocity control any other TVF parameter on my S-550. H+, what filter parameters on the S-750 can be controlled by velocity? Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 27 03:37:25 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88175-1>; Thu, 27 May 1993 03:37:15 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Thu, 27 May 1993 03:33:34 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA26206; Thu, 27 May 93 09:33:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 03:33:01 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305270733.AA26206@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Looking for Ethnic samples on CD-ROM or SYQUEST cartridge. Status: R > What SyQuests exist for the S770 beyond RSA 8 Techno FX? Roland have a set of 15 syquests disks, at least here. How they are distributed is probably a matter of where you live... It's mostly pop drums/guitars/bass and orchestral samples. Cheers, 7 h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 27 03:55:42 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88175-2>; Thu, 27 May 1993 03:55:26 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Thu, 27 May 1993 03:52:12 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA26711; Thu, 27 May 93 09:51:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 03:51:54 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305270751.AA26711@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aluxpo.att.com Subject: Re: TVF Status: R > H+, what filter > parameters on the S-750 can be controlled by velocity? Okay, the S-750 looks like: Volume (collection of performances) Performance (collectino of "instruments" with panning and MIDI channel) Patch ("instrument" with different Partials assigned across keyboard range) Partial (several samples layered) Sample (raw data that can be truncated, time-shifted, edited, ...) On the patch level, there is a global controller/receipient matrix where you can select a controller to modulate TVF depth and LFO TVF depth (but there's no velocity controller, right? II'm not up on MIDI controllers) Then on the partial level, there is the TVF page with depth (cutoff) modulated by a velocity curve and a velocity sensitivity. However, also the envelope can be velocity sensitive, and a separate rate velocity sensitivity (which I believe is global to all 4 rates in the envelope) You can also have velocity cross-over between samples, and sample one version with a lot of overtones to cut in :-) The only problem with this setup is that you sometimes would like to have envelope data on the patch level (I have found no way of copying selected envelope data between "related" partials) Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 27 09:59:05 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Thu, 27 May 1993 09:58:54 -0400 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Thu, 27 May 1993 09:52:45 -0400 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-040293) id AA09883; Thu, 27 May 93 09:42:53 EDT Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA25600; Thu, 27 May 93 09:42:53 EDT Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 09:42:53 -0400 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9305271342.AA25600@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: TVF Status: R / h+ said: > On the patch level, there is a global controller/receipient > matrix where you can select a controller to modulate TVF depth > and LFO TVF depth (but there's no velocity controller, right? > I'm not up on MIDI controllers) When you say "modulate TVF depth," I'm not sure what you mean. Which PARAMETER is being controlled; EG Rate1, cutoff, or some other TVF parameter? Velocity isn't a controller like mod wheel, volume, pan, etc. It is encoded within the note on message. But it can be used to control parameters. In the S550, it obviously controls loudness (depth of the amplifier's envelope) and the TVF's EG Rate1 (how fast the filter's cutoff changes on the attack portion of the filter envelope). What I WISH I could control with velocity is the TVF's envelope depth. Since the envelope controls the filter's cutoff frequency, velocity would then control the brightness of a sample, not just the volume. > Then on the partial level, there is the TVF page with depth (cutoff) > modulated by a velocity curve and a velocity sensitivity. This looks like exactly what I wish the S550 could do. > You can also have velocity cross-over between samples, and sample one > version with a lot of overtones to cut in :-) The S550 can do this but wastes polyphony (two samples per voice). Controlling filter cutoff from velocity wouldn't eat any extra polyphony and will accomplish the same thing in many cases. Only if you have two samples with wildly different harmonic structures will cross-fade be required and velocity control of cutoff be insufficient. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 27 11:33:09 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88170-2>; Thu, 27 May 1993 11:32:56 -0400 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se ([130.237.225.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Thu, 27 May 1993 11:28:35 -0400 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA18308; Thu, 27 May 93 17:28:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 11:28:02 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305271528.AA18308@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aluxpo.att.com Subject: Re: TVF Status: R > When you say "modulate TVF depth," I'm not sure what you mean. Which > PARAMETER is being controlled; EG Rate1, cutoff, or some other TVF > parameter? Velocity isn't a controller like mod wheel, volume, pan, Okay, so "controller" is a separate message kind? Figures. You modulate TVF depth, and/or the amount that the LFO controls the the TVF depth. Depth == cutoff frequency here. (Or is it? Maybe they mean depth as filter ratio in dB/octave? :-) > > Then on the partial level, there is the TVF page with depth (cutoff) > > modulated by a velocity curve and a velocity sensitivity. > This looks like exactly what I wish the S550 could do. So now you have something to upgrade to :-) > > You can also have velocity cross-over between samples, and sample one > > version with a lot of overtones to cut in :-) > The S550 can do this but wastes polyphony (two samples per voice). Well, the interesting thing is that you have 4 samples per partial, which goes into 1 polyphony channel. Could be sort of useful indeed! From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 27 21:03:00 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-2>; Thu, 27 May 1993 21:02:56 -0400 Received: from nuscc.nus.sg ([137.132.3.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Thu, 27 May 1993 20:58:09 -0400 Received: from nusunix2.nus.sg by nuscc.nus.sg (5.65/1.34) id AA28627; Fri, 28 May 93 08:57:48 +0800 Received: by nusunix2.nus.sg (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA02679; Fri, 28 May 93 08:57:45 +0800 Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 20:46:52 -0400 From: ANG CHENG KOON Subject: simple flangeing techniques To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R This may be obvious to some of you here, but I just figured it out myself recently: How To Do Flanging On A S-Sampler Without Using Effects 1. choose the sample/Tone you want to flange 2. make a sub-Tone from this sample (use Edit Copy or Tone Param or whatever) 3. change the fine tuning on the sub-Tone; increase or decrease by a few units (the more you detune the sub-Tone the more flangeing you get) 4. then assign the Tone and the sub-Tone to the same Patch i.e. layer them, and set the Patch Type to V-Mix so that the 2 Tones sound off together. 5. ta-dah! instant flanging. ------------------------------------------------ BENJAMIN ANG ( law40035@nusunix1.nus.sg ) address valid till 30 May 93 new account starting in July 93 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu May 27 21:59:21 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88168-3>; Thu, 27 May 1993 21:59:10 -0400 Received: from world.std.com ([192.74.137.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Thu, 27 May 1993 21:53:25 -0400 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA18191; Thu, 27 May 1993 21:52:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 21:49:01 -0400 From: michael gary moncur Subject: Re: simple flangeing techniques To: SGroup Post In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Thu, 27 May 1993, ANG CHENG KOON wrote: > 1. choose the sample/Tone you want to flange > 2. make a sub-Tone from this sample (use Edit Copy or Tone Param or whatever) > 3. change the fine tuning on the sub-Tone; increase or decrease by a few units > (the more you detune the sub-Tone the more flangeing you get) > 4. then assign the Tone and the sub-Tone to the same Patch i.e. layer > them, and set the Patch Type to V-Mix so that the 2 Tones sound off together. > 5. ta-dah! instant flanging. There's an easier way, at least on the S330/550: Just set up a patch using that tone as both tones. Set the key mode to "Unison" (v-mix may work also) and set the "Unison detune" parameter to the amount to detune the second sample. I'm not sure if this works in precisely the same way as the above method, but it does achieve a flange effect (great for basslines) and is much easier and doesn't require using a subtone. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon May 31 01:44:35 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Mon, 31 May 1993 01:44:28 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 31 May 93 01:44:23 -0400 Received: from vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA ([129.128.12.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Mon, 31 May 1993 01:38:30 -0400 Received: from VM.UCS.UALBERTA.CA by vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 4720; Sun, 30 May 93 23:36:47 MDT Received: from UALTAVM (NJE origin JMARTIN@UALTAVM) by VM.UCS.UALBERTA.CA (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9169; Sun, 30 May 1993 23:36:47 -0600 Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2 Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 01:35:32 -0400 Comments: "Paul Martin c/o Jerome Martin" From: Subject: S-50 price? To: Message-Id: <93May31.013830edt.5@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R From: Paul Martin c/o Jerome Martin Faculty of Extension University of Alberta Due to the fact that I'm soon going to move across the country and that I also own an S-550, I'm considering selling my beloved S-50. Can anyone suggestwhat I should be asking for it? I plan to sell it with my director-s sequencing software as well as my heavy-duty road case and my disk library. Also, if anyone is interested in buying it, please contact me within the next few weeks (that also goes for anyone who wants to try to convince me NOT to sell it)! Thanks in advance. Paul Martin (tel: (403) 434-3858) or at jmartin@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri May 28 06:34:55 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Fri, 28 May 1993 06:34:45 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Fri, 28 May 93 06:34:39 -0400 Received: from cyklop.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.71]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Fri, 28 May 1993 06:31:14 -0400 Received: by cyklop.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA20900; Fri, 28 May 93 12:30:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 06:30:22 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305281030.AA20900@cyklop.nada.kth.se> To: law40035@nusunix2.nus.sg, sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: simple flangeing techniques Status: RO > How To Do Flanging On A S-Sampler Without Using Effects > 3. change the fine tuning on the sub-Tone; increase or decrease by a few units > (the more you detune the sub-Tone the more flangeing you get) Yes, this produces a cool detuned effect; especially if you have good loops. However, if you have a long sample; the dis-sync may be too much. An alternate thing to try is to have one partial with LFO pitch, just a little, and let the other be unmodulated. Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri May 28 06:34:55 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-1>; Fri, 28 May 1993 06:34:46 -0400 Received: from cyklop.nada.kth.se ([130.237.222.71]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <5>; Fri, 28 May 1993 06:31:14 -0400 Received: by cyklop.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA20900; Fri, 28 May 93 12:30:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 06:30:22 -0400 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9305281030.AA20900@cyklop.nada.kth.se> To: law40035@nusunix2.nus.sg, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: simple flangeing techniques Status: RO > How To Do Flanging On A S-Sampler Without Using Effects > 3. change the fine tuning on the sub-Tone; increase or decrease by a few units > (the more you detune the sub-Tone the more flangeing you get) Yes, this produces a cool detuned effect; especially if you have good loops. However, if you have a long sample; the dis-sync may be too much. An alternate thing to try is to have one partial with LFO pitch, just a little, and let the other be unmodulated. Cheers, / h+