From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 1 13:17:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88518-3>; Mon, 1 Mar 1993 13:17:52 -0500 Received: from lambda ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <4>; Mon, 1 Mar 1993 13:12:12 -0500 Received: from kiwi by lambda (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA00626; Mon, 1 Mar 93 12:11:16 CST Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 13:11:16 -0500 From: cornutt@lambda.lambda (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9303011811.AA00626@lambda> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: noisy S-750? Status: R When I first got my S-750, I had a lot of problems with noise. Being new to sampling, it took me a while to figure out that the noise was actually in my samples! I eventually figured out a few things: 1) The S-750 is quite sensitive to interference from the monitor I use (an old Sony, left over from a previous Yahama CX5M setup). I found that putting the monitor alongside the unit, instead of on top of it, helped a lot. Moving it away from my Macintosh monitor also helped. (Keeping audio cables away from the monitors helps a lot too.) 2) I always turn off both monitors when I'm actually doing a sample. 3) One *bad* source of line noise turned out to be a ceiling-fan speed control in another oom. Now, I make sure the fans are off when I'm sampling. --- David Cornutt, New Technology Inc., Huntsville, AL (205) 461-4517 (cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov; some insane route applies) "The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary." From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 1 16:40:48 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88549-1>; Mon, 1 Mar 1993 16:40:41 -0500 Received: from sunic.sunet.se ([192.36.125.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <4>; Mon, 1 Mar 1993 16:36:49 -0500 Received: from nada.kth.se (mail.nada.kth.se) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA24598; Mon, 1 Mar 1993 22:36:07 +0100 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se by nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA12550; Mon, 1 Mar 93 22:36:05 +0100 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA23543; Mon, 1 Mar 93 22:36:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 16:36:02 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9303012136.AA23543@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: cornutt@lambda.lambda.nada.kth.se, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: noisy S-750? Status: R > 3) One *bad* source of line noise turned out to be a ceiling-fan > speed control in another oom. Now, I make sure the fans are off I can imagine! > 1) The S-750 is quite sensitive to interference from the monitor > I use (an old Sony, left over from a previous Yahama CX5M setup). Having a monitor and a mouse means you can have the monitors a metre or more from the S-750 which I do (however, by necessity, my Mac AudioMedia sound cables runlight beside a 220V -> 110V converter transformer :-( ) With the promised digital I/O, that's but a memory :-) Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 4 05:25:43 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-1>; Thu, 4 Mar 1993 05:25:36 -0500 Received: from lise1.lise.unit.no ([129.241.36.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <4>; Thu, 4 Mar 1993 05:21:48 -0500 Received: from lise14.lise.unit.no by lise1.lise.unit.no with SMTP id ; Thu, 4 Mar 1993 11:21:22 +0100 Received: from localhost by lise14.lise.unit.no ; Thu, 4 Mar 1993 11:21:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199303041021.AA14654@lise14.lise.unit.no> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Roland S-750 digital I/O In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 Feb 93 15:59:52 EST." <9302252059.AA27408@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 05:21:19 -0500 From: jonjen@lise.unit.no X-Mts: smtp X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Hi folks! >Just a note, that if you have an ibm compatible you can get the I/OCardD for >around 250$ list, 199$ retail in mail orders which will give your computer >digital i/o. You can then use a program like samplevision to edit the >samples you transfered, then either save it on floppy for the sampler or >send thru sysex... Basically, this gives even the smallest samplers the best >quality samples you can get (from DATs, CDs etc...) Where can I get this card? What's its name? (Is it I/OCardD?) Who manufactures them? Are they any good? Please mail all your information to me! Greetings from Norway, Jon Jenssen ------------------------------ jonjen@lise.unit.no From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 4 08:35:11 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-3>; Thu, 4 Mar 1993 08:34:59 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Thu, 4 Mar 1993 08:31:28 -0500 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-022293) id AA07412; Thu, 4 Mar 93 08:28:28 EST Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA13968; Thu, 4 Mar 93 08:28:58 EST Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 08:28:58 -0500 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9303041328.AA13968@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, ysg1202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Status: RO Subject: S-770 For Sale I found the following ad on emusic-l (which doesn't really allow such commercial activities) and thought that somebody on sgroup might be interested. I take no responsibility for any transactions that result. ...Bill... --------------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 08:38:17 GMT > From: att!AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU!AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU!EMUSIC-L > Shehab (Yaz) > Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana > Subject: *** FOR SALE ROLAND S-770 SAMPLER *** > To: Multiple recipients of list EMUSIC-L > > FOR SALE ROLAND S-770 SAMPLER > > * Roland S-770 Sampler w/ 8 Meg Ram, 40 Meg H.D. > * PS Systems rack mount 44 Meg Syquest Drive (One free bay in housing) > * 4 Blank Syquest Cartridges. > Asking $6,000.00 or Best Offer. > 1 1/2 years old, excellent condition, all manuals, and software upgrades. > ***** Serious Inquiries Only ***** > See Keyboard Magazine/ other, for info about the Sampler. > Buyer pays shipping UPS/COD. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 4 22:13:11 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88181-1>; Thu, 4 Mar 1993 22:13:05 -0500 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA ([132.204.2.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <4>; Thu, 4 Mar 1993 22:07:58 -0500 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA19829 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Fri, 5 Mar 1993 03:05:44 GMT Received: from brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA02194; Thu, 4 Mar 93 22:05:43 -0500 Received: by brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA (920330.SGI/5.17) id AA09024; Thu, 4 Mar 93 22:05:39 -0500 From: dionf@ere.umontreal.ca (Francois Dion) Message-Id: <9303050305.AA09024@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Re: Roland S-750 digital I/O To: jonjen@lise.unit.no Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 22:05:34 -0500 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <199303041021.AA14654@lise14.lise.unit.no>; from "jonjen@lise.unit.no" at Mar 4, 93 5:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Beyond the ultraworld of jonjen@lise.unit.no: > > > Hi folks! > >Just a note, that if you have an ibm compatible you can get the I/OCardD for > >around 250$ list, 199$ retail in mail orders which will give your computer > >digital i/o. You can then use a program like samplevision to edit the > >samples you transfered, then either save it on floppy for the sampler or > >send thru sysex... Basically, this gives even the smallest samplers the best > >quality samples you can get (from DATs, CDs etc...) > Where can I get this card? > What's its name? (Is it I/OCardD?) Yes. The i/oCardD. It gives you S/PDIF (IEC) interface. > Who manufactures them? Digital Audio Labs 14505 21st Avenue North, suite 202 Plymouth, Minnesota 55447 (612) 473-7626 Fax (612) 473-7915 > Are they any good? What do you mean? Reliable? Error-free? It is a *digital* interface, so basi- cally you get 0% error from the info on your DAT. If you want *analog* i/o, i suggest either Tecmar, CardD, Turtle Beach Multisound or Gravis Ultrasound with 16 bit sampler. (?$, 795$, 600$, 300$). > Please mail all your information to me! Also Digital Audio Labs have a wave editor call EdDitor (250$) but this is for cut and paste work (like reel to reel), not waveform editing (working on samples like samplevision). They may have a waveform editor now... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Mar 6 16:36:22 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-3>; Sat, 6 Mar 1993 16:36:11 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sat, 6 Mar 93 16:35:56 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Sat, 6 Mar 1993 16:30:29 -0500 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA13518 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Sat, 6 Mar 93 13:29:43 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (5.60/UCSDGENERIC2) id AA01345 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Sat, 6 Mar 93 13:29:27 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 16:29:27 -0500 From: email_addr@deleted (Mars) Message-Id: <9303062129.AA01345@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: S550 SCSI interface Status: R I am lloking for a S550 SCSI interface. Anybody know where I could buy one and how much they are?? Also, what type of monitors can I hook up to my S550?? Would any old monitor do, color or b/w??? Thanks email_addr@deleted From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Mar 5 18:31:20 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88313-2>; Fri, 5 Mar 1993 18:31:16 -0500 Received: from sy2000.cet.fsu.edu ([128.186.20.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <4>; Fri, 5 Mar 1993 18:23:30 -0500 Received: from DialupEudora (annex07.cc.fsu.edu) by sy2000.cet.fsu.edu (4.1/25-eef) id AA08471; Fri, 5 Mar 93 18:22:57 EST Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 18:22:54 -0500 From: Kevin Brislin To: Message-Id: <9303052322.AA08471@sy2000.cet.fsu.edu> Apparently-To: Status: R To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: brislink@cet.fsu.edu Subject: S-220 Editor/Librarian I am interested in hearing from anyone that has used a sample editor/librarian such as Sound Designer II SK or Alchemy (or Apprentice) with a Macintosh and the S-220 (or S-10/MKS-100.) I just recently sold my S-10 and replaced it with an S-220. Since it seems that I'm kind of dedicated to this particular platform, I am thinking of shelling out the bucks to get a sample editor. However, I would like to get opinions about what works and why before I buy. (By the way, if anyone has these programs and is interested in selling them, let me know also.) Hope to hear from someone soon. Thanks. Kevin Brislin brislink@cet.fsu.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Mar 6 19:34:26 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-1>; Sat, 6 Mar 1993 19:34:16 -0500 Received: from cats.UCSC.EDU ([128.114.129.22]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <32>; Sat, 6 Mar 1993 19:28:31 -0500 Received: from amtoo.UCSC.EDU by cats.UCSC.EDU with SMTP id AA19661; Sat, 6 Mar 93 16:28:03 -0800 From: chess@cats.UCSC.EDU Received: by amtoo.ucsc.edu (5.65/4.7) id AA17008; Sat, 6 Mar 93 16:28:02 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 19:28:02 -0500 Message-Id: <9303070028.AA17008@amtoo.ucsc.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: W-30 display noise Status: R My W-30 has started making a high-pitched hum whenever its on. (The sound does not come through any of the audio jacks.) I feel like it's the display, but I can't be sure. The noise is not too pleasant, and its loud enough to be distracting. Is this common? Advice anyone? How much will this cost to fix if I take it to a dealer? Thanks. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Mar 7 16:30:24 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-2>; Sun, 7 Mar 1993 16:30:18 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sun, 7 Mar 93 16:30:09 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <37>; Sun, 7 Mar 1993 16:16:52 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA27909 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Sun, 7 Mar 93 13:16:34 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA18455 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Sun, 7 Mar 93 13:16:32 PST Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 16:16:32 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (EmCee) Message-Id: <9303072116.AA18455@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Monitors for the S-series Status: RO Someone posted details about how to invert the output of the S550 to drive a CGA compatible monitor. Then he mentioned that some Atari monitors would plug straight into the S550. What Atari monitors are we talking about here??? Anyone done this before so they know that it works 100%?? Thanks mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 8 07:51:01 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 07:50:54 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 8 Mar 93 07:50:47 -0500 Received: from estec.estec.esa.nl ([131.176.23.38]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <38>; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 07:45:35 -0500 Received: from ESTEC by estec.estec.esa.nl (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2711; Mon, 08 Mar 93 13:44:38 CET Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 07:44:37 -0500 From: "Cesare Tirabassi (NSI)" Subject: W-30 Dysplay noise To: Message-Id: <93Mar8.074535est.38@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: RO chess@cats.UCSC.EDU writes: > My W-30 has started making a high-pitched hum whenever its on. >(The sound does not come through any of the audio jacks.) >I feel like it's the display, but I can't be sure. > > The noise is not too pleasant, and its loud enough to be distracting. > > Is this common? > Advice anyone? > How much will this cost to fix if I take it to a dealer? Dunno if we are speaking about the same thing, but my W-30 has always been quite noisy! It's an high frequency hum as you said, which I thought was coming from the main supply transformer (you can even feel it if you touch the keyboard). Apart from that, the keyboard always performed at its best, and I never had any kind of problems. I thought it was a common "feauture", and after a while I got used to it. It's very strange indeed that you have this problem right now, and never before! Cesare From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 8 08:47:44 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88183-1>; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 08:47:42 -0500 Received: from sunic.sunet.se ([192.36.125.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Sat, 6 Mar 1993 10:04:57 -0500 Received: from nada.kth.se (mail.nada.kth.se) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA08065; Sat, 6 Mar 1993 16:04:26 +0100 Received: from moldau.nada.kth.se by nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA13288; Sat, 6 Mar 93 16:04:24 +0100 Received: by moldau.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA05366; Sat, 6 Mar 93 16:04:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 10:04:13 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9303061504.AA05366@moldau.nada.kth.se> To: brislink@sy2000.cet.fsu.edu, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Sound Designer II Status: RO I can't really recommend Sound Designer II; It's more geared towards playlists and speech production than music sample editting. Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 8 08:47:44 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88167-1>; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 08:47:36 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Sat, 6 Mar 1993 16:30:29 -0500 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA13518 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Sat, 6 Mar 93 13:29:43 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (5.60/UCSDGENERIC2) id AA01345 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Sat, 6 Mar 93 13:29:27 PST Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 16:29:27 -0500 From: email_addr@deleted (Mars) Message-Id: <9303062129.AA01345@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S550 SCSI interface Status: RO I am lloking for a S550 SCSI interface. Anybody know where I could buy one and how much they are?? Also, what type of monitors can I hook up to my S550?? Would any old monitor do, color or b/w??? Thanks email_addr@deleted From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 8 08:47:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88188-3>; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 08:47:44 -0500 Received: from estec.estec.esa.nl ([131.176.23.38]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <38>; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 07:45:35 -0500 Received: from ESTEC by estec.estec.esa.nl (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2711; Mon, 08 Mar 93 13:44:38 CET Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 07:44:37 -0500 From: "Cesare Tirabassi (NSI)" Subject: W-30 Dysplay noise To: Message-Id: <93Mar8.074535est.38@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: RO chess@cats.UCSC.EDU writes: > My W-30 has started making a high-pitched hum whenever its on. >(The sound does not come through any of the audio jacks.) >I feel like it's the display, but I can't be sure. > > The noise is not too pleasant, and its loud enough to be distracting. > > Is this common? > Advice anyone? > How much will this cost to fix if I take it to a dealer? Dunno if we are speaking about the same thing, but my W-30 has always been quite noisy! It's an high frequency hum as you said, which I thought was coming from the main supply transformer (you can even feel it if you touch the keyboard). Apart from that, the keyboard always performed at its best, and I never had any kind of problems. I thought it was a common "feauture", and after a while I got used to it. It's very strange indeed that you have this problem right now, and never before! Cesare From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 8 08:47:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88187-2>; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 08:47:43 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <37>; Sun, 7 Mar 1993 16:16:52 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA27909 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Sun, 7 Mar 93 13:16:34 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA18455 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Sun, 7 Mar 93 13:16:32 PST Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 16:16:32 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (EmCee) Message-Id: <9303072116.AA18455@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Monitors for the S-series Status: RO Someone posted details about how to invert the output of the S550 to drive a CGA compatible monitor. Then he mentioned that some Atari monitors would plug straight into the S550. What Atari monitors are we talking about here??? Anyone done this before so they know that it works 100%?? Thanks mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 9 11:27:53 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-3>; Tue, 9 Mar 1993 11:27:47 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 9 Mar 93 11:26:50 -0500 Received: from dell1.dell.com ([143.166.224.203]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Tue, 9 Mar 1993 11:19:56 -0500 Received: from ccmail.dell.com by dell1.dell.com (4.1/2.1-DELL-G) id AA14286; Tue, 9 Mar 93 10:19:32 CST Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.dell.com (1.30/SMTPLink) id A22296; Tue, 09 Mar 93 10:17:21 CST Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 11:17:21 -0500 From: George Ludwig Message-Id: <9303091017.A22296@ccmail.dell.com> To: sgroup@lotus, email_addr@deleted Subject: Re: S550 SCSI interface Status: R >I am lloking for a S550 SCSI interface. Anybody know where I could buy one >and how much they are?? Also, what type of monitors can I hook up to my S550?? >Would any old monitor do, color or b/w??? >Thanks >email_addr@deleted I've got a 20-yeard old Texas Instruments mainframe tube hooked up to mine. Weighs a ton, but built like a tank plus it was free ;-) It's green monochrome. As far as I know, yes you can hook up "any old monitor", including your tv. ****************************************************************************** George Ludwig | "The flame that burns twice as bright fester@parnasus.dell.com | burns half as long...revel in your time!" Austin, TX | The Opions expressed are mine blah blah blah ****************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 9 12:07:56 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88187-2>; Tue, 9 Mar 1993 12:07:44 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 9 Mar 93 12:07:40 -0500 Received: from lise1.lise.unit.no ([129.241.36.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30>; Tue, 9 Mar 1993 12:03:13 -0500 Received: from lise11.lise.unit.no by lise1.lise.unit.no with SMTP id ; Tue, 9 Mar 1993 18:02:30 +0100 Received: from localhost by lise11.lise.unit.no ; Tue, 9 Mar 1993 18:02:29 +0100 Message-Id: <199303091702.AA15533@lise11.lise.unit.no> To: George Ludwig Cc: sgroup@lotus, email_addr@deleted Subject: Re: S550 SCSI interface In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Mar 93 11:17:21 EST." <9303091017.A22296@ccmail.dell.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 12:02:28 -0500 From: jonjen@lise.unit.no X-Mts: smtp X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: R Hi folks! George Ludvig wrote: >As far as I know, yes you can hook up "any old monitor", including your tv. Nope, my Philiphs CM-8833-monitor won't work in color and fairly in BW... It might just be a cabeling problem, but who knows? (The techs at Philiphs don't, the techs at Roland Scandinavia don't...) Jon. ----------------------- jonjen@lise.unit.no From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 10 01:21:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88202-2>; Wed, 10 Mar 1993 01:21:40 -0500 Received: from bcars520 ([192.58.194.73]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 14:07:07 -0500 X400-Received: by mta bcars520 in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 13:42:01 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 13:35:33 -0500 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 8 Mar 1993 08:35:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 08:35:00 -0500 X400-Originator: /DD.ID=1577285/G=Shiv/I=S/S=Naimpally/@bnr.ca X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars520.b.844:08.02.93.18.35.33] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: re:Monitors f... From: "Shiv (S.) Naimpally" Sender: "Shiv (S.) Naimpally" Message-ID: <"28016 Mon Mar 8 13:37:05 1993"@bnr.ca> To: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: re:Monitors for the S-series Status: R In message "Monitors for the S-series", ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.edu writes: > > Someone posted details about how to invert the output of the S550 to drive > a CGA compatible monitor. Then he mentioned that some Atari monitors would > plug straight into the S550. > > What Atari monitors are we talking about here??? Anyone done this before so > they know that it works 100%?? My S330 manual lists several adapter cables for monitors that can be used with the S330 (and presumably the S550). One cable is for use with a CGA compatoble monitor, another for use with the Atari colour monitor. I think there is a 3rd as well but can't remember what its for. So the Atari colour monitor should plug in without too much difficulty. If you want it to work 100%, just go and buy the cable from Roland. Roland publishes the output signals on the video port on the S330 so if you find out what the Atari wants, it should be fairly easy to make a cable up. cheers, Shiv From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 10 01:47:16 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88201-3>; Wed, 10 Mar 1993 01:47:08 -0500 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Wed, 10 Mar 1993 01:41:16 -0500 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88202-3>; Wed, 10 Mar 1993 01:40:58 -0500 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup mailing list interruptions??? Message-Id: <93Mar10.014058est.88202-3@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 01:40:57 -0500 Status: R The mailer on lotus has been a little confused, which has delayed a few mail messages. This message serves as a sort of test that the mailer is happy again, and a notice to you folks of the possible delays. John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 10 12:49:47 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88204-2>; Wed, 10 Mar 1993 12:49:42 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Mar 93 12:49:37 -0500 Received: from cats.UCSC.EDU ([128.114.129.22]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Wed, 10 Mar 1993 12:44:01 -0500 Received: from amtoo.UCSC.EDU by cats.UCSC.EDU with SMTP id AA07695; Wed, 10 Mar 93 09:43:39 -0800 From: chess@cats.UCSC.EDU Received: by amtoo.ucsc.edu (5.65/4.7) id AA19627; Wed, 10 Mar 93 09:43:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 12:43:33 -0500 Message-Id: <9303101743.AA19627@amtoo.ucsc.edu> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: W-30 display noise Status: R (I tried to send this out last week, but it looks as though it bounced. I'm sorry if you've already seen it.) My W-30 has started making a high-pitched hum whenever its on. (The sound does not come through any of the audio jacks.) I feel like it's the display, but I can't be sure. The noise is not too pleasant, and its loud enough to be distracting. Is this common? Advice anyone? How much will this cost to fix if I take it to a dealer? Please respond to: chess@cats.ucsc.edu Thanks. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 11 16:26:34 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88223-3>; Thu, 11 Mar 1993 16:26:27 -0500 Received: from griffin.emba.uvm.edu ([132.198.1.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Thu, 11 Mar 1993 16:16:14 -0500 Received: by griffin.emba.uvm.edu id AA15685 (5.65/1.11); Thu, 11 Mar 93 16:15:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 16:15:21 -0500 From: coan@uvm-gen.EMBA.UVM.EDU Message-Id: <9303112115.AA15685@griffin.emba.uvm.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: W-30 For Sale! Status: R Hello! It's a sad day...I need to purchase a plane ticket by March 30th, and it looks like the only way I'll get the money is to (gulp!) try and sell my W-30. I figured that before I post the offer on the newsgroups, I'd see if anyone here is interested. So, I guess I'm asking $1000, incl. shipping. Just let me know if you're interested. Brian coan@emba.uvm.edu 802-860-7295 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Mar 12 19:23:32 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88175-2>; Fri, 12 Mar 1993 19:23:29 -0500 Received: from lancelot.st.nepean.uws.edu.au ([137.154.156.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Fri, 12 Mar 1993 19:13:20 -0500 Received: from guinevere.st.nepean.uws.edu.au (guinevere) by lancelot.st.nepean.uws.edu.au with SMTP id AA18608 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 13 Mar 1993 10:12:28 +1000 Received: by guinevere.st.nepean.uws.edu.au id AA04821 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Sat, 13 Mar 1993 10:12:45 +1000 From: Fluro Message-Id: <199303130012.AA04821@guinevere.st.nepean.uws.edu.au> Subject: New Roland Sound Card.... To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 19:12:45 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL6] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 417 Status: R Hi everyone, Just heard from a Sound Card Dealer at a Personal Computer Show, that Roland are releasing a hot new PC sound card in the next few months. Has anyone else heard about this, I believe it may be a sampler + sound module, can anyone confirm.... OR Does anyone have the specs perhaps, anyway the dealer is going to let me know when it arrives in stock, so ill keep you postard, Regards Matthew J Parker From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Mar 14 17:40:12 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Sun, 14 Mar 1993 17:40:06 -0500 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Sun, 14 Mar 1993 17:34:12 -0500 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA06310; Sun, 14 Mar 93 12:33:55 HST Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 17:33:52 -0500 From: Jon Ciliberto To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: stereo samples/etc. Message-Id: Status: R i am just about decided on buying an S-550 used, but am i wrong in thinking that tis is a monophonic sampler? looking through the sample archives for this roup i see many stereo samples. is this accomplished by sampling twice (L & R) and then directing each sample to a separate channel? also, it seems unusual to me that the S-550 has only one input, and that a cheezy 1/4 plug -- is this in any sense a problem? "What passes for culture in my head | Jon Ciliberto is really a bunch of commercials." | Sumatra & Environs, Ltd. - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. | jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Mar 14 22:01:38 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88207-3>; Sun, 14 Mar 1993 22:01:34 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Mar 93 22:01:25 -0500 Received: from nuscc.nus.sg ([137.132.3.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Sun, 14 Mar 1993 21:54:50 -0500 Received: from nusunix2.nus.sg by nuscc.nus.sg (5.65/1.34) id AA24204; Mon, 15 Mar 93 10:53:09 +0800 Received: by nusunix2.nus.sg (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA29094; Mon, 15 Mar 93 10:53:06 +0800 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 21:53:05 -0500 From: ANG CHENG KOON Subject: Re: stereo samples/etc. To: Jon Ciliberto Cc: sgroup@lotus In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Status: R actually, the S330 is a mono sampler with 8 outputs. (I prefer not to call it monophonic, because many ppl use that to mean synths that have only 1-note polyphony) the stereo samples are in fact 'fake' stereo; often the same tone is assigned to 2 outputs, one slightly altered, and then the 2 outputs can be panned left and right on a mixer. yes, the outputs are mono, too. to get a 'stereo' effect I assign tones and patches to the various outs, then use my Boss mixer to pan the signal. the only input, sad to say, is a mono 1/4" input. doesn't bother me because I do techno & industrial music, which doesn't always need hi-fi stereo sound (though it *would* be nice ...) -------------------------------------------------- BBBBBB BENJAMIN ANG B B law40035@nusunix1.nus.sg BBBBB (Singapore, the home of me) B B address valid till 1 May 93 BBBBBB then I graduate from university ================================================== my views only reflect my views and nobody else's, but socialised by peer and socioeconomic factors -------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 14 Mar 1993, Jon Ciliberto wrote: > i am just about decided on buying an S-550 used, but am i wrong in thinking > that tis is a monophonic sampler? looking through the sample archives for > this roup i see many stereo samples. is this accomplished by sampling twice > (L & R) and then directing each sample to a separate channel? also, it seems > unusual to me that the S-550 has only one input, and that a cheezy 1/4 plug > -- is this in any sense a problem? > > "What passes for culture in my head | Jon Ciliberto > is really a bunch of commercials." | Sumatra & Environs, Ltd. > - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. | jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Mar 13 13:10:57 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88207-2>; Sat, 13 Mar 1993 13:10:51 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Sat, 13 Mar 1993 13:02:47 -0500 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA01661 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Sat, 13 Mar 93 10:02:04 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (5.60/UCSDGENERIC2) id AA19212 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Sat, 13 Mar 93 10:00:48 PST Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 13:00:48 -0500 From: svaldez@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (@ocf.berkeley.edu ) Message-Id: <9303131800.AA19212@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: new Roland sound card Status: R It's the TAP-10 - lists for $599 - 16-bit hard-disk recorder at 11. 22. and 44 kHz (stereo or two mono tracks) - sound module - 128 General MIDI sounds, 26 note polyphony, 16 part multitimbral. 6 drum kits. - on-board MPU-401 compatible interface - built-in effects (reverb/delay/chorus) - joystick port... all this out of the latest issue of EM. svaldez@sdcc13.ucsd.edu . From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 15 04:04:26 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Mon, 15 Mar 1993 04:04:20 -0500 Received: from sunic.sunet.se ([192.36.125.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Mon, 15 Mar 1993 04:00:03 -0500 Received: from nada.kth.se (mail.nada.kth.se) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA06728; Mon, 15 Mar 1993 09:59:24 +0100 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se by nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA27535; Mon, 15 Mar 93 09:59:22 +0100 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA27495; Mon, 15 Mar 93 09:59:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 03:59:09 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9303150859.AA27495@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu, law40035@nusunix2.nus.sg Subject: Re: stereo samples/etc. Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R > > i am just about decided on buying an S-550 used, but am i wrong in thinking > > that tis is a monophonic sampler? looking through the sample archives for > actually, the S330 is a mono sampler with 8 outputs. > the only input, sad to say, is a mono 1/4" input. doesn't bother me > because I do techno & industrial music, which doesn't always need hi-fi > stereo sound (though it *would* be nice ...) Hmm, how alike are the S330 and S550? (I've never seen them) Anyway, hi-fi sound for techno? I often have to re-gain the samples to a very low setting, and the normalize them, to get the right kind of grungy feeling (SoundEdit on the Mac is cool for that, too, since it only has 8 bit editting - and it can do some amazingly unscientific transformations to sound, too :-) Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- I offer a pot of gold for Gates' head on a pole. Naah, come to think of it, what would I with it? From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 15 10:00:40 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88218-3>; Mon, 15 Mar 1993 10:00:33 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Mon, 15 Mar 1993 09:54:00 -0500 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-022293) id AA17497; Mon, 15 Mar 93 09:46:23 EST Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA06414; Mon, 15 Mar 93 09:47:21 EST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 09:47:21 -0500 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9303151447.AA06414@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Stereo Sampling and the S550 Status: R Jon Ciliberto asked about the S550: Yes, you are correct. It is not a stereo machine and has only one input for sampling. But being multitimbral, polyphonic, and having eight outputs, it can be made to emulate a stereo sampler much as you have guessed. That is why the MONEY sample I contributed to the library is in stereo. (BTW, that was the FIRST sample I ever made, which goes to show you how simple the concepts are.) Cheng Koon's description of using a single tone to fake stereo is probably the more common method. The 1/4" input has been no problem to me at all. / h+ asked how alike are the S330 and S550? They seem to be the same beast except that (1) the S550 is two rack spaces tall and the S330 is only one space and (2) the S550 has twice the sample memory and can load two floppies where the S330 can only load one. Not being intimately familiar with the S330, I, of course, am depending upon you S330 owners out there in sgroupland for any corrects that may need to be made. There might be other differences but I'd almost bet that the two I listed are the major ones by comparison. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 15 23:11:22 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-1>; Mon, 15 Mar 1993 23:11:18 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Mar 93 23:11:13 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Mon, 15 Mar 1993 23:04:27 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA05251 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Mon, 15 Mar 93 20:03:29 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA25309 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 15 Mar 93 20:03:28 PST Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 23:03:28 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) Message-Id: <9303160403.AA25309@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Transforming effect on S550 Status: R Is there a way to emulate the 'transforming' effect on a DJ mixer(moving the line/phono switch up and down to get a cool scratch) using an S550??? It would be cool if you could mute and unmute a sample via MIDI. Especially if you could do this fast, say on every 16th note..... Thanks mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 16 00:52:28 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-3>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 00:52:17 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Mar 93 00:52:10 -0500 Received: from world.std.com ([192.74.137.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 00:48:27 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA01136; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 00:47:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 00:42:35 -0500 From: michael gary moncur Subject: Re: Transforming effect on S550 / midi volume To: SGroup Post In-Reply-To: <9303160403.AA25309@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Mon, 15 Mar 1993, MC wrote: > Is there a way to emulate the 'transforming' effect on a DJ mixer(moving > the line/phono switch up and down to get a cool scratch) using an S550??? I'm not sure what you mean by that. > It would be cool if you could mute and unmute a sample via MIDI. Especially > if you could do this fast, say on every 16th note..... I believe this is possible. Depends on how the 550 acts on "MIDI Volume" messages - if it will respond in the middle of a note (and I *think* it will, but I don't recall), you could just send "volume 0" messages followed by volume I'll have to try that on my S330 - sounds like a cool effect, if it works. The other main synth in my setup, a D110, doesn't support volume messages in the middle of a note. ~`~`michael moncur - mgm@world.std.com / sysop@onlybbs.via.mind.org ~`~` (Just got my samples from gfd - well worth the wait, especially for the price. Good stuff.) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 16 01:07:29 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 01:07:18 -0500 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 01:01:07 -0500 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA16947; Mon, 15 Mar 93 20:00:29 HST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 01:00:25 -0500 From: Jon Ciliberto To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: mac sample editors Message-Id: Status: R some perhaps neophyte questions: 1. does anyone do sample editing on their mac? what software? how much better is this than using an independent monitor + mouse with the sampler? 2. how does one get the sounds from the library at U Waterloo onto S-550 disks? ........................................................................... Jon Ciliberto . jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu Graduate Assistant . (808) 956-9704 SHAPS Publications Office . Moore 223 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 16 01:25:25 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88182-2>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 01:25:13 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Mar 93 01:25:10 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 01:21:49 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA14317 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Mon, 15 Mar 93 22:21:24 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA07918 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 15 Mar 93 22:21:23 PST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 01:21:23 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) Message-Id: <9303160621.AA07918@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu, sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: mac sample editors Status: R I have an old version of Alchemy which is OK. Very easy to do time stretches , cross fade loops, eqing etc. I am in the process of getting a used sampler, S-550, so I don't know how slow the transfer between the Mac and the S-550 will be. But I guess it will be a real pain in the ass since it will be a MIDI transfer. Anyways, if I can find the time I have to get all my samples which re in SDII format into the S-550 format and send them to the S-group library. Mostly techno stabs, break beats and stuff lifted from rare grooves. Anyone out there that has some good woofer shaking samples suited for bass lines on a ragga-techno track a la Prodigy style??? mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 16 04:56:18 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88169-2>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 04:56:11 -0500 Received: from sunic.sunet.se ([192.36.125.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 04:52:15 -0500 Received: from nada.kth.se (mail.nada.kth.se) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA28571; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 10:51:58 +0100 Received: from donau.nada.kth.se by nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA12349; Tue, 16 Mar 93 10:51:55 +0100 Received: by donau.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA10130; Tue, 16 Mar 93 10:51:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 04:51:46 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9303160951.AA10130@donau.nada.kth.se> To: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Transforming effect on S550 Status: R I don't know; does the S550 take MIDI volume commands? If so, just edit them into your sequencer and go. Else get a MIDI mute - or do as I do; buy an audio card and sequencer to go with it; copy&paste sound editting heaven :-) Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 16 05:26:09 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88107-1>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 05:25:57 -0500 Received: from sunic.sunet.se ([192.36.125.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 05:13:13 -0500 Received: from nada.kth.se (mail.nada.kth.se) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA29924; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 11:13:02 +0100 Received: from donau.nada.kth.se by nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA12617; Tue, 16 Mar 93 11:13:01 +0100 Received: by donau.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA10176; Tue, 16 Mar 93 11:12:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 05:12:38 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9303161012.AA10176@donau.nada.kth.se> To: jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: mac sample editors Status: R > 1. does anyone do sample editing on their mac? what software? how much better > is this than using an independent monitor + mouse with the sampler? Well, a Quadra 950 with an AudioMedia card/Sound Designer is faster than my S-750, but the S-750 is much more versatile (and has a much better time stretch, though it is *SLOW*) so I usually do all the funky stuff there. The AudioMedia, I use for lifting samples off CDs, cleaning them up a bit, and then send to the sampler for further processing (plus it's cool for getting sound tracks in CuBase) / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 16 10:14:52 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88169-3>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 10:14:50 -0500 Received: from lambda.msfc.nasa.gov.msfc.nasa.gov ([128.158.1.223]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 10:10:59 -0500 Received: from kiwi (kiwi.msfc.nasa.gov) by lambda.msfc.nasa.gov.msfc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA04303; Tue, 16 Mar 93 09:10:34 CST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 10:10:33 -0500 From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) Message-Id: <9303161510.AA04303@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov.msfc.nasa.gov> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Transforming effect on S550 Status: R >Is there a way to emulate the 'transforming' effect on a DJ mixer(moving >the line/phono switch up and down to get a cool scratch) using an S550??? Depends on whether or not you want to do it real time... Here's a concept: sample something with a lot of reverb on it. Then make a blank sample, just a minimum-length sample of nothing. (For best results, put a shorted plug into the input jack and sample that.) Then, paste chunks of the blank sample into the other sample. The more reverb the other sample has, the more startling the effect is. (You do have to be careful that your paste the blank in at node points in the other sample, else you will get pops.) >It would be cool if you could mute and unmute a sample via MIDI. Especially >if you could do this fast, say on every 16th note..... Well, with a sequencer you could send it master volume (controller #7) commands, with alternating values of 0 and 127. I don't know if this would actually do what you want, though; most things that respond to volume commands have anti-zipper circuits that damp the transitions. David Cornutt, New Technology Inc., Huntsville, AL (205) 461-4517 (cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov; some insane route applies) "The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary." From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 16 10:55:08 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88169-3>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 10:54:57 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 10:51:36 -0500 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-031293) id AA24427; Tue, 16 Mar 93 10:47:16 EST Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA08786; Tue, 16 Mar 93 10:48:16 EST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 10:48:16 -0500 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9303161548.AA08786@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Transforming Status: R michael moncur wrote: > I believe this is possible. Depends on how the 550 acts on "MIDI Volume" > messages - if it will respond in the middle of a note (and I *think* it > will, but I don't recall), you could just send "volume 0" messages > followed by volume > I'll have to try that on my S330 - sounds like a cool effect, if it > works. The other main synth in my setup, a D110, doesn't support volume > messages in the middle of a note. I sequenced "Sledge Hammer" and emulated a brass swell using a string of controller 7 (volume) messages. Since my usual method is to use a combination of sampled and synthesized sounds, I think that both my S550 and D110 were used. I'll double check tonight, if I remember. But I definitely sounded and held the note throughout that string of volume messages. So, scratching should be possible at least on the S550 with alternate controller 7 messages with values of 0 and 127. I wonder: (1) How fast the S500 can open "up and close down" and (2) If the speed of response is dependent upon the amount of volume change? (Will 0-127 respond any slower/faster than 40-80?) Bill From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 16 18:46:39 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88255-2>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:46:32 -0500 Received: from cville-srv.wam.umd.edu ([128.8.74.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:40:08 -0500 Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu by cville-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA29006 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:39:25 -0500 Received: by rac2.wam.umd.edu id AA20983 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:39:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:39:19 -0500 From: Charles 'FLiP' Medley Message-Id: <199303162339.AA20983@rac2.wam.umd.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-10 sysex dump format Status: R I'm stuck with nowhere else to turn to... I am currently trying to write a simple graphic editor so I can do some better loop editing on my S-10 from my Atari, and what I am in particular looking for is the specs for the format for the sysex dump (no handshaking) from a Roland S-10. I believe the S-220 is also using the same format... any help is greatly appreciated. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 14:36:56 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88194-1>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 14:36:52 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 14:26:57 -0500 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-031293) id AA27852; Wed, 17 Mar 93 14:19:13 EST Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA22719; Wed, 17 Mar 93 14:20:15 EST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 14:20:15 -0500 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9303171920.AA22719@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Monitors Status: R Way back on Sat, 6 Mar, email_addr@deleted wrote: > ... Also, what type of monitors can I hook up to my S550?? > Would any old monitor do, color or b/w??? Then on Sun, 7 Mar, mc wrote: > Someone posted details about how to invert the output of the S550 to drive > a CGA compatible monitor. Then he mentioned that some Atari monitors would > plug straight into the S550. > What Atari monitors are we talking about here??? Anyone done this before so > they know that it works 100%?? On my original S550, I used a Commodore 1084S because I heard that it worked with Roland's crazy inverted sync. It doesn't, at least not the one I have. Maybe an earlier model did. So, thanks to the sgroup, I bought an STV-II for $99.95. I tried calling PBC but they seem to have dropped off of the face of the earth. The data I had on them is: PBC 11026 West Washington Blvd. Culver City, California 90230 213-838-2180 213-838-6841 Other information from those old posts: -------------------------------------------- Sender: "Donald_C._Tycholis.LAX1B"@xerox.com I've got an AST EGA color monitor on my S-550 and it works beautifully. Also, an NEC MultiSync Plus works as well, yet no better even though the resolution is much higher. The cable I'm using is the standard Roland RGB Monitor Cable for the S-550. -------------------------------------------- Within the last year, I bought a used S550 and Atari SC1435 monitor. The Roland cable I have doesn't work with it but the seller gave me a ($50) cable that does. He has lost the data on the cable's supplier. So I just called Roland and spoke to Corey who said that Redmond Cable 615-478-5760 makes cables for all the Roland samplers. I called and found out that the cable for my Atari SC1435 (no part number!) requires no electronics and costs $24 plus shipping and handling. My Commodore 1084S requires a $42 cable that does have electronics. Hope this helps. Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 14:45:33 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88193-3>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 14:45:30 -0500 Received: from research.att.com ([192.20.225.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 14:41:04 -0500 From: gjm@research.att.com Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 14:39:00 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: S550 MIDI volume Message-Id: <93Mar17.144104est.29@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R >From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se > >I don't know; does the S550 take MIDI volume commands? If so, >just edit them into your sequencer and go. > / h+ The S550 does take MIDI volume, just make sure to enable it under the MIDI parameters page. MIDI volume on the S550 works very well in conjuction with a Yamaha WX-7, adding an extra dimension of expressiveness. The MIDI volume implementation is very smooth, and of the many synths that I have, the wind instruments on the S550 are still the best (I dont have an S750/S770). -Gary From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 15:40:12 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88193-2>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:39:55 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:39:50 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:35:51 -0500 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-031293) id AA09013; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:31:12 EST Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA01507; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:32:16 EST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:32:16 -0500 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9303172032.AA01507@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: S550 MIDI Volume Status: R Yesterday, I posted: > I sequenced "Sledge Hammer" and emulated a brass swell using a > string of controller 7 (volume) messages. Since my usual method is to > use a combination of sampled and synthesized sounds, I think that both > my S550 and D110 were used. I'll double check tonight, if I remember. > But I definitely sounded and held the note throughout that string of > volume messages. Good news, I remembered. More good news, I used BOTH the S550 AND D110 for the brass section and they BOTH indeed do respond to volume (controller 7) messages in a desirable fashion, as described above. Bill From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 15:49:24 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88192-2>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:49:19 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:45:24 -0500 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-031293) id AA10069; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:42:08 EST Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA02690; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:43:11 EST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:43:11 -0500 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9303172043.AA02690@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Status: R Subject: Outta Time? An interesting phenomenon just occurred. MC sent me a thank you to my posting on monitors/cables. (NO, that's not the phenomenon!) It was time stamped: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 11:44:23 PST (Add 3 hours to convert to EST.) But the sgroup mailer didn't send me my copy of my own posting until about a half an hour later. (THAT'S the phenomenon!) From att!lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 15:15:56 EST Imagine my surprise to get a response apparently before my posting even got out! Bill From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 18:56:54 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88192-2>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 18:56:42 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 17 Mar 93 18:56:27 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <37>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 18:52:43 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA20076; Wed, 17 Mar 93 18:52:12 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA24211; Wed, 17 Mar 93 18:52:09 -0500 Received: by n8emr.cmhnet.org (Ohio AMPR Gateway Smail3.1.16.1 #16.33) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:59 EST Received: from david by uncle.cmhnet.org; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:56 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Wed, 17 Mar 93 12:04:20 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Fwd: [Myles Wakeham ]Re: Akai S950 Users Group Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 12:04:20 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: david@david.roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.sph239@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 749 Status: R Forward of article <1993Mar12.001245.26578@amgen.com> from Myles Wakeham : In article Brendan S McEnroe, cs89bsm@brunel.ac.uk writes: >Is there a use group for Akai samplers out there. I don't know of one specifically for Akai samplers, but you may be interested in joining the International Samplers Co-op. Its an organization designed to facilitate the exchange of information and non-proprietary samples between members. To join, its a yearly fee of $US12 which includes 12 issues of LOOP, their magazine. You can send check or money order to: International Samplers Co-op 20929-47 Ventura Blvd, Suite 293 Woodland Hills CA 91364 USA Make checks payable to "MUSO Information Services" Myles From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 19:02:35 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88255-1>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:02:26 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 17 Mar 93 19:02:21 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <38>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 18:57:06 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA20184; Wed, 17 Mar 93 18:55:09 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA24516; Wed, 17 Mar 93 18:55:07 -0500 Received: by n8emr.cmhnet.org (Ohio AMPR Gateway Smail3.1.16.1 #16.33) id ; Wed, 17 Mar 93 17:06 EST Received: from david by uncle.cmhnet.org; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 17:00 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Wed, 17 Mar 93 12:01:11 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Fwd: [fester@parnasus.dell.com (George Ludwig)]Re: A good sound library for a roland S-550? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 12:01:11 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: fester@parnasus.dell.com Reply-To: fester@parnasus.dell.com Message-Id: <0105009A.spgs67@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1843 Status: R Forward of article <66@parnasus.dell.com> from fester@parnasus.dell.com (George Ludwig): summeral@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Summerall Thomas G) writes: >I recently acquired a Roland S-550 sampler, and I'm looking for a good >library with a lot of good acoustic sounds, and some cool synth stuff. >Do people even sell these anymore? I like this sampler, but I seem to be >the last person on earth to own one. My local synth dealer looks at me funny >when I ask him about it. >Thanks, >Thomas Summerall Try contacting Roland directly. If you get the Roland Users Group rag, you ought to be able to order the sound library right out of the back. Also, If you buy a Roland SCSI hard drive for it, ALL the S-550 sounds will come pre-loaded. Also, try talking to a number of dealers. The age of the S-550 will work in your favor, in that if they actually DO have any disks lying around, they won't be too concerned about them. I just took home about 30 disks to sift through, and they never would have let them out of the store while the S-550 was still hot. Finally, keep in mind that the S-550 will convert-load S-50 disks, and while the S-50 library is probably not as cool/well done as the S-550 library, they still have some cool stuff worth looking for. I really like the S-550. IMHO, it is the most killer 12-bit sampler ever made. One of these days, it's going to be in high demand when that 12-bit sound becomes a retro fashion! :-) -- ****************************************************************************** George Ludwig | "The flame that burns twice as bright fester@parnasus.dell.com | burns half as long...revel in your time!" Austin, TX | The Opions expressed are mine blah blah blah ****************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 19:39:07 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88192-3>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:38:57 -0500 Received: from cville-srv.wam.umd.edu ([128.8.74.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <41>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:35:24 -0500 Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu by cville-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA08941 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:35:12 -0500 Received: by rac3.wam.umd.edu id AA21228 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca); Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:35:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:35:08 -0500 From: Charles 'FLiP' Medley Message-Id: <199303180035.AA21228@rac3.wam.umd.edu> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-10 sample library Status: R Anyone interested in my (fairly large) collection of S-10/20/220 sounds can email me directly for my list... sorry for the waste of bandwidth. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 19:54:14 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88192-2>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:54:02 -0500 Received: from RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM ([128.81.41.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <42>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:50:50 -0500 Received: from MOOG.SESC.SYMBOLICS.COM ([128.81.253.5]) by RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM via INTERNET with SMTP id 1002182; 17 Mar 1993 19:07:10-0500 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:06:00 -0500 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: From: Eric S.Crawley ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted Subject: SampleCell II & AudioMedia II From: To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Message-ID: <19930318000623.0.ESC@MOOG.SESC.Symbolics.COM> Status: R Frustrated by the high prices for Roland S-7xx samplers and CD-ROMs, I'm thinking of getting DigiDesign SampleCell II and AudioMedia II cards for my Mac. SoundDesigner II, which comes with these boards would allow me to get samples from my S-330 and copy over my existing library. Does anyone on this list have any experience with the SampleCell and AudioMedia cards as well as the software? The SampleCell II card sounds quite attractive with 32 voices, room for 32MB of RAM and comes with 3 CD-ROMs of samples. A side bonus is the ability to do hard disk recording with SoundDesigner. [BTW, just so there are no more plugs for the Kurzweil K2000 on the list, I did check it out and found it quite dull sounding compared to other 16 bit samplers. That doesn't mean that I don't think it is a cool machine or that it isn't right for others; I just don't think it is right for me.] From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 17 20:59:39 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88255-1>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 20:59:33 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 20:55:28 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA29416 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Wed, 17 Mar 93 17:55:00 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA21093 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 17 Mar 93 17:54:59 PST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 20:54:59 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) Message-Id: <9303180154.AA21093@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: ESC@RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: SampleCell II & AudioMedia II Status: R How much is Samplecell II?? mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 18 02:42:56 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88194-3>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 02:42:46 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 93 02:42:42 -0500 Received: from sunic.sunet.se ([192.36.125.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 02:37:55 -0500 Received: from nada.kth.se (mail.nada.kth.se) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA05920; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:37:33 +0100 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se by nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA07974; Thu, 18 Mar 93 08:37:32 +0100 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA26595; Thu, 18 Mar 93 08:37:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 02:37:27 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9303180737.AA26595@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: ESC@RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM, sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: SampleCell II & AudioMedia II Status: R Well, the SampleCell is not as capable a musical instrument as the S-750/770 is - for instance, less capable filters and sound editting (Sound Designer II isn't "hot" for sample editting) Using AudioMedia for harddisk recording in CuBase is the hottest thing since cupcakes, though. / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 18 08:25:34 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88166-2>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:25:29 -0500 Received: from RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM ([128.81.41.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:21:51 -0500 Received: from MOOG.SESC.SYMBOLICS.COM ([128.81.253.5]) by RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM via INTERNET with SMTP id 1002316; 18 Mar 1993 08:22:54-0500 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:22:00 -0500 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: From: Eric S.Crawley ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted Subject: Re: SampleCell II & AudioMedia II From: To: MC cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9303180154.AA21093@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> Message-ID: <19930318132204.1.ESC@MOOG.SESC.Symbolics.COM> Status: R [Why is it that the UWaterloo mailer doesn't understand normal SMTP headers? It is constantly complaining about the "." in my personal name. Sigh.] Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 20:54 EST From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) How much is Samplecell II?? mc The SampleCell II card (due to be in stores any day now) has a list price of $1995. You can get a good deal on the original SampleCell card (SampleCell Classic?) that has 16 voices and holds up to 16 MB of memory right now. My local dealer was pushing them for about $1000. Of course, both cards require a Mac II that can handle NuBus cards and they come with no RAM on the card so you have to factor the cost of Mac SIMMs into the price. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 18 08:31:28 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88187-3>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:31:19 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 93 08:31:03 -0500 Received: from RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM ([128.81.41.21]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:26:06 -0500 Received: from MOOG.SESC.SYMBOLICS.COM ([128.81.253.5]) by RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM via INTERNET with SMTP id 1002317; 18 Mar 1993 08:27:20-0500 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:26:00 -0500 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: From: Eric S.Crawley ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted Subject: Re: SampleCell II & AudioMedia II From: To: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Cc: sgroup@lotus In-Reply-To: <9303180737.AA26595@hemul.nada.kth.se> Message-Id: <19930318132630.2.ESC@MOOG.SESC.Symbolics.COM> Status: R Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 02:37 EST From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Well, the SampleCell is not as capable a musical instrument as the S-750/770 is - for instance, less capable filters and sound editting (Sound Designer II isn't "hot" for sample editting) Hmm, that may be something to check out. I haven't used the screen editing on the S-7xx series. I have heard that it is improved from the earlier S-series. According to the announcements I have seen, SampleCell II has digital filters now. I don't know what they can do yet but I will check it out. It seemed to me that Sound Designer II could do most of the sample editing that I wanted better than the utilities on the S-330. I'm sure it isn't as good as Alchemy but I don't know if I need all of that. Using AudioMedia for harddisk recording in CuBase is the hottest thing since cupcakes, though. True, I'm waiting to see if Notator Logic will support hard disk recording. I might chuck my Atari/Notator sequencing platform and move everything over to the Mac. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 18 08:42:19 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88187-3>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:42:09 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 18 Mar 93 08:41:56 -0500 Received: from sunic.sunet.se ([192.36.125.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:38:39 -0500 Received: from nada.kth.se (mail.nada.kth.se) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA04686; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 14:38:18 +0100 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se by nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA12288; Thu, 18 Mar 93 14:38:13 +0100 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA27258; Thu, 18 Mar 93 14:38:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:38:07 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9303181338.AA27258@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: ESC@RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM Subject: Re: SampleCell II & AudioMedia II Cc: sgroup@lotus Status: R > Hmm, that may be something to check out. I haven't used the screen > editing on the S-7xx series. It's very good, though the slow 80186 CPU and 320x200 resolution is less than ideal for some things (filtering and resampling is brisk enough, but splicing is more pleasant in Sound Designer) I would love a Sound Designer with the feature set of SoundEdit but the same sound quality as SD has now. Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 18 10:10:40 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-1>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 10:10:29 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 10:06:23 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA23193; Thu, 18 Mar 93 10:05:56 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA17777; Thu, 18 Mar 93 10:05:52 -0500 Received: by n8emr.cmhnet.org (Ohio AMPR Gateway Smail3.1.16.1 #16.33) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 93 09:51 EST Received: from david by jcnpc.cmhnet.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0nZLko-0002RQC; Thu, 18 Mar 93 09:39 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Thu, 18 Mar 93 09:25:17 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: SampleCell II & AudioMedia II Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 09:25:17 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.srs3sm@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R In Regards to your letter <19930318000623.0.ESC@MOOG.SESC.Symbolics.COM>: > > Frustrated by the high prices for Roland S-7xx samplers and CD-ROMs, I'm > thinking of getting DigiDesign SampleCell II and AudioMedia II cards for > my Mac. SoundDesigner II, which comes with these boards would allow me > to get samples from my S-330 and copy over my existing library. > > Does anyone on this list have any experience with the SampleCell and > AudioMedia cards as well as the software? > > The SampleCell II card sounds quite attractive with 32 voices, room for > 32MB of RAM and comes with 3 CD-ROMs of samples. A side bonus is the > ability to do hard disk recording with SoundDesigner. > > [BTW, just so there are no more plugs for the Kurzweil K2000 on the > list, I did check it out and found it quite dull sounding compared to > other 16 bit samplers. That doesn't mean that I don't think it is a > cool machine or that it isn't right for others; I just don't think it > is right for me.] When I was looking into getting SampleCell and the whole thing with Sound Tools a while ago I got comments that it was annoying slow to search through the the CD-ROM to audition sounds. One way around this was to copy everything from CD-ROM to another large hard disk. David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 18 10:14:21 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88171-3>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 10:14:16 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30>; Thu, 18 Mar 1993 10:09:58 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA23208; Thu, 18 Mar 93 10:06:07 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA17795; Thu, 18 Mar 93 10:06:05 -0500 Received: by n8emr.cmhnet.org (Ohio AMPR Gateway Smail3.1.16.1 #16.33) id ; Thu, 18 Mar 93 09:51 EST Received: from david by jcnpc.cmhnet.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0nZLks-0002QxC; Thu, 18 Mar 93 09:39 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Thu, 18 Mar 93 09:30:23 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Subject: Re: SampleCell II & AudioMedia II Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 09:30:23 -0500 Cc: ESC@RIVERSIDE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.srsddo@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R In Regards to your letter <9303180737.AA26595@hemul.nada.kth.se>: > > Well, the SampleCell is not as capable a musical instrument as > the S-750/770 is - for instance, less capable filters and > sound editting (Sound Designer II isn't "hot" for sample editting) It also ties up the Mac. People forget that it puts added demands on this unit. It also doesn't allow up to just pick up your box and take it to another studio without taking the entire Mac. In other words, if you just wanted to being your sampler to another studio for a session you would have to being the entire Mac unlike having a S-770 or a K2000. > > Using AudioMedia for harddisk recording in CuBase is the hottest > thing since cupcakes, though. Careful, your remarks may put someone out of work by such thin skinned comments... > > / h+ David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Fri Mar 19 17:31:10 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88204-3>; Fri, 19 Mar 1993 17:31:00 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Fri, 19 Mar 1993 17:19:41 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA05604; Fri, 19 Mar 93 17:18:39 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA22366; Fri, 19 Mar 93 17:18:24 -0500 Received: by n8emr.cmhnet.org (Ohio AMPR Gateway Smail3.1.16.1 #16.33) id ; Fri, 19 Mar 93 14:41 EST Received: from david by uncle.cmhnet.org; Fri, 19 Mar 1993 14:42 EST Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Fri, 19 Mar 93 14:19:15 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Please add 'matteblack@aol.com' to the sgroup mailing list Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 14:19:15 -0500 Cc: matteblack@aol.com Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.sv1n3m@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 155 Status: R Please add new member Matt Traum of Patchman Music to the sgroup mailing list. His e-mail address is: matteblack@aol.com David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sat Mar 20 13:12:09 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88510-3>; Sat, 20 Mar 1993 13:12:06 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sat, 20 Mar 93 13:12:01 -0500 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Sat, 20 Mar 1993 13:05:10 -0500 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <88509-2>; Sat, 20 Mar 1993 13:05:00 -0500 From: "John M. Sellens" To: sgroup@lotus Subject: administrivia - addition and deletion requests ... Message-Id: <93Mar20.130500est.88509-2@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 13:04:48 -0500 Status: R Just a reminder - requests for additions and deletions from the sgroup mailing list should be sent to "sgroup-request@lotus.uwaterloo.ca", not to the mailing list itself (this is the same convention followed by virtually every other mailing list). Thanks John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Mar 21 22:33:15 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88155-2>; Sun, 21 Mar 1993 22:33:08 -0500 Received: from nuscc.nus.sg ([137.132.3.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Sun, 21 Mar 1993 22:28:16 -0500 Received: from nusunix3.nus.sg by nuscc.nus.sg (5.65/1.34) id AA16980; Mon, 22 Mar 93 11:27:57 +0800 Received: by nusunix3.nus.sg (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27848; Mon, 22 Mar 93 11:27:47 +0800 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 22:27:46 -0500 From: ANG CHENG KOON Subject: Re: Monitors To: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca In-Reply-To: <9303171920.AA22719@alux1.cnet.att.com> Message-Id: Status: R for my S-330 (this applies to S-550 also) I am using my old monochrome monitor which i used to plug into my (now long gone) Apple II+. just use a RCA-RCA cable, no problems. -------------------------------------------------- BBBBBB BENJAMIN ANG B B law40035@nusunix1.nus.sg BBBBB (Singapore, the home of me) B B address valid till 1 May 93 BBBBBB then I graduate from university ================================================== my views only reflect my views and nobody else's, but socialised by peer and socioeconomic factors -------------------------------------------------- From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 22 14:15:27 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88194-3>; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 14:15:22 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 14:10:24 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA11148 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Mon, 22 Mar 93 11:09:48 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA29377 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Mon, 22 Mar 93 11:09:47 PST Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 14:09:47 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) Message-Id: <9303221909.AA29377@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Roland Library samples Status: R I just got a used S550 and wonder if the Roland S550 library is still available to copy freely?? Also does this library have some good analog string samples (JX10, Jupiter8 etc)? Thanks mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 22 16:12:45 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88194-3>; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 16:12:41 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 16:08:06 -0500 Received: from uunet.uu.net (via spool.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA03225; Mon, 22 Mar 93 16:07:12 -0500 Received: from zx.qsp.COM (zx) by qsp.com (5.59/SMI-4.1 + SCO25 + QSP mods) id AA01481; Mon, 22 Mar 93 11:31:09 PST Received: by zx.qsp.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03458; Mon, 22 Mar 93 11:31:08 PST Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 14:31:08 -0500 From: qsp!danb@uunet.UU.NET (Daniel Benbenisty) Message-Id: <9303221931.AA03458@zx.qsp.COM> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Utility disk(s) Status: R Hi y'all - I just joined up. I've got a couple of lil' ol' questions: 1. Is it possible to read/write the contents of the S-330 Utility disks with either a DOS or Unix disk device? 2. If, so, can someone please mail me the contents of System 1 disk, System 2 disk, the Utility disk, and possibly the "Director-S" disk (or let me know where I can get this stuff)? I know this is sort of a bizarre questions, since most of these come with the package - but I bought the S-330 unit used, and it did not include these disks (or a mouse)! While I'm at it - is the mouse supplied with the S-330 standard? I tried using a standard 3-button Logicon mouse without success. The connector is physically compatible, and I believe I selected the correct menu option.... Thanks! >>>===Pan-Handle-Dan===> danb@qsp.com Daniel Benbenisty Guitarist for EARWURM From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 22 19:11:46 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88241-2>; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 19:11:44 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 22 Mar 93 19:11:39 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET ([192.48.96.7]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 19:07:40 -0500 Received: from uunet.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA05097; Mon, 22 Mar 93 19:07:11 -0500 Received: from qsp.UUCP by uunet.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 190604.12187; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 19:06:04 EST Received: from zx.qsp.COM (zx) by qsp.com (5.59/SMI-4.1 + SCO25 + QSP mods) id AA02211; Mon, 22 Mar 93 14:59:44 PST Received: by zx.qsp.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03836; Mon, 22 Mar 93 14:59:43 PST Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 17:59:43 -0500 From: qsp!danb@uunet.UU.NET (Daniel Benbenisty) Message-Id: <9303222259.AA03836@zx.qsp.COM> To: sgroup@lotus, uunet!qsp!danb@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Re: Utility disk(s) Status: R >While I'm at it - is the mouse supplied with the S-330 standard? >I tried using a standard 3-button Logicon mouse without success. ^^^^^^^^ I meant "Logitech" - sorry. >>>===Pan-Handle-Dan===> danb@qsp.com Daniel Benbenisty Guitarist for EARWURM From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 23 14:23:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88244-1>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 14:23:50 -0500 Received: from ultb.isc.rit.edu ([129.21.220.100]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 14:14:41 -0500 Received: by ultb.isc.rit.edu (5.65/Config (1/21/92) (Postmaster DPMSYS)); id AA23635; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 14:14:01 -0500 From: mxd7977@ultb.isc.rit.edu (ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN) Message-Id: <9303231914.AA23635@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Subject: SCSI option for the S50 (Yes I did say 50) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 14:14:01 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL0] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1260 Status: R A friend of mine was trying to get some of his keys to start working again on his S50, and while he had it opened up, he noticed what appeared to be an expansion port that was wired into the mother board but was closed off by the S50 case. I hadn't actually opened my S50 up, so I don't know exactly what this port looks like, in any case, this caused me to call up Roland in CA and ask them about an interface for the S50. Low and behold (or is it Lo?) there is a company out there called ToneGenics which does a SCSI modification as well as software modification to allow the OS to read the new drive. They also offer a 8-output mod as well as some other mods to other Roland equipment like the MT32 and the GR-700(Or something like that....it was a killer distortion mod for a guitar unit). In any case, here is the bad news... The SCSI option (No hard drive mind you) costs $500. They do not have any DIY kits :-(, so that also means you have to send them your axe (nice shipping costs to boot) The 8-output mod costs $350. If anyone has anymore info on other companies who might do this retro-fitting I would like to hear about it. If anyone wants more info, like the number of ToneGenics or anything, let me know.. Regards, E. M. (Mark D) From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 23 15:04:11 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88242-3>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 15:04:08 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 15:00:08 -0500 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-031293) id AA18643; Tue, 23 Mar 93 14:55:10 EST Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA08180; Tue, 23 Mar 93 14:56:28 EST Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 14:56:28 -0500 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9303231956.AA08180@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: SCSI option for the S50 (Yes I did say 50) Status: R Mark D's post prompted me to dig out some old mail I happen to still have sitting around. ...Bill... ---------------- > Date: 22 Aug 90 11:57:25 PDT (Wednesday) > Subject: ToneGenics Has Custom Mods for Roland S-50 Sampler > From: gould!xerox.com!DTycholis.LAX1B > To: ads.com!pdel > > Thought y'all would be interested in knowing about this company, which sent > me some information yesterday: > > Company: ToneGenics Corporation > P.O. Box 8288 > Van Nuys, Ca. 91409 > Phone: (818) 786-1177 > > Products: S-50 +8 Output Mod & Updated S/W --> $350 > S-50 SCSI Hard Disk Interface Mod --> $500 > JC-120 Killer Distortion Mod --> $300 > GM-70 (MIDI Guitar) All B-String Mod --> $150 > GR-700 (Guitar Synth) MIDI In Mod --> $200 > MT-32 Memory Backup Mod --> $95 > D-50 Memory Expansion Mod --> $350 to 750 > > Of special interest to the S-Series Sampler distribution group are the S-50 > mods. > You can order the information by calling their number and leaving a message > with your name and address. It took them about a week and a half to get > it to me. > > Cheers, > > Don > > Disclaimer: I have absolutely no relationship with ToneGenics. I've > never been a customer and probably will have no reason to be one, unless I > inherit some of the above gear from my relatives. The S-Series Sampler > support person at Roland referred me to them (when I queried the existence > of PBC Technical Services, which he has never heard of), and I am merely > sharing the information I recieved. > > Don Tycholis > DTycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.Com > > Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:34:52 -0500 (EST) > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > To: Sgroup > Subject: Third Party Developer List > Status: RO > > >ToneGenics: S-50 +8 Output Mod $350, S-50 Hard disk interface Mod $500 > P.O. Box 8288 > Van Nuys, CA 91409 > (818) 786-1177 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 22 22:45:07 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88212-3>; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 22:45:05 -0500 Received: from world.std.com ([192.74.137.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30>; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 22:39:21 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA06669; Mon, 22 Mar 1993 22:39:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 22:37:25 -0500 From: michael gary moncur Subject: Re: Utility disk(s) To: SGroup Post In-Reply-To: <9303222259.AA03836@zx.qsp.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Mon, 22 Mar 1993, Daniel Benbenisty wrote: > >While I'm at it - is the mouse supplied with the S-330 standard? > >I tried using a standard 3-button Logicon mouse without success. > ^^^^^^^^ > I meant "Logitech" - sorry. The mouse supplied with the S-330 is about as non-standard as you can get. It's parallel, not serial, similar to an Atari or Amiga mouse - but the lines are inverted. A converter could be made to make it work with an atari or amiga mouse pretty easily, I think. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 23 16:56:14 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88242-2>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 16:56:13 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 16:52:25 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA24508; Tue, 23 Mar 93 16:04:33 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA00325; Tue, 23 Mar 93 16:02:11 -0500 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Tue, 23 Mar 93 15:58:13 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Storage for stereo 44.1 and 48? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 15:58:13 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.t9p0jl@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R What is the disk storage per second of digtial audio stereo at 44.1 and 48k? Thanks in advance, David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 23 17:41:53 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88242-1>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 17:41:49 -0500 Received: from dell1.dell.com ([143.166.224.203]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 17:38:23 -0500 Received: from ccmail.dell.com by dell1.dell.com (4.1/2.1-DELL-G) id AA03434; Tue, 23 Mar 93 16:37:45 CST Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.dell.com (1.30/SMTPLink) id A23206; Tue, 23 Mar 93 16:38:48 CST Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 17:38:48 -0500 From: George Ludwig Message-Id: <9303231638.A23206@ccmail.dell.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, david@roth-music.com Subject: Re: Storage for stereo 44.1 and 48? Status: R >What is the disk storage per second of digtial audio stereo at 44.1 >and 48k? > >Thanks in advance, > >David >david@roth-music.com @ 44.1 : 10,584,000 bytes/minute (10.3359375 MB/Min) @ 48 : 11,520,000 bytes/minute (11.25 MB/Min) ****************************************************************************** George Ludwig | "The flame that burns twice as bright fester@parnasus.dell.com | burns half as long...revel in your time!" Austin, TX | The Opions expressed are mine blah blah blah ****************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 23 18:04:55 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88243-3>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 18:04:45 -0500 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 18:00:38 -0500 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.EDU by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA13516; Tue, 23 Mar 93 17:59:49 EST Received: by rodan.acs.syr.EDU (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA22122; Tue, 23 Mar 93 17:59:32 EST Message-Id: <9303232259.AA22122@rodan.acs.syr.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: SCSI option for the S50 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 17:59:30 -0500 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R >The SCSI option (No hard drive mind you) costs $500. Oh yeah, I forgot, *that's* why I'm still dealing with all those annoying floppy disks... :-) Anyone who discovers a cheaper option, be sure to let me know. neil From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 23 18:53:27 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88243-2>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 18:53:19 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Tue, 23 Mar 1993 18:49:07 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA16090 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Tue, 23 Mar 93 15:48:45 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA25126 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Tue, 23 Mar 93 15:48:43 PST Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 18:48:43 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) Message-Id: <9303232348.AA25126@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Roland and S550 Status: R Do Roland sell the SCSI interface for the S-550 these days??? Or do one have to deal with 3rd party developers??? Also is this interface as much as for the S-50 by Tonegenics, $500!!!!, which is almost more than the sampler itself is worth.... mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 24 05:27:05 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88165-1>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 05:26:56 -0500 Received: from sunic.sunet.se ([192.36.125.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 05:22:51 -0500 Received: from nada.kth.se (mail.nada.kth.se) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA13154; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 11:22:36 +0100 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se by nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA14089; Wed, 24 Mar 93 11:22:33 +0100 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA20798; Wed, 24 Mar 93 11:22:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 05:22:02 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9303241022.AA20798@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: david@roth-music.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Storage for stereo 44.1 and 48? Status: R > What is the disk storage per second of digtial audio stereo at 44.1 > and 48k? About 10 megs a minute for stereo. You should be able to calculate the exact numbers yourself (hint: each sample is 2 bytes, times two channels, times the sample rate)' Cheers / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 24 09:52:08 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88189-3>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 09:51:55 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 09:47:47 -0500 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-031293) id AA19009; Wed, 24 Mar 93 09:44:06 EST Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA18073; Wed, 24 Mar 93 09:45:26 EST Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 09:45:26 -0500 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9303241445.AA18073@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Memory Needs Status: R George Ludwig's answer to David's question: > @ 44.1 : 10,584,000 bytes/minute (10.3359375 MB/Min) > @ 48 : 11,520,000 bytes/minute (11.25 MB/Min) Using / h+'s formula as a basis: 2 bytes 48000 samples 60 sec Memory Requirements = ------- x -------------- x ------ x (2 channels) sample (sec)(channel) min = 11,520,000 bytes/min which agrees with George Ludwig's figure. But isn't 1MB = 2**20 Bytes? That would make it 10.986 MB/min instead of 11.25 MB/min. George's number seems to be: 11520000 11520000 --------------- instead of --------------- (1000) x (1024) (1024) x (1024) Have I misunderstood binary-as-applied-to-computer-memory-talk all this time? Also, all these calculations consider the audio only. Won't there be additional overhead to consider? DAT and CD have subcode data. Computer files must also have some associated with the, too; right? Bill Fox From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 24 12:20:52 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88317-3>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:20:39 -0500 Received: from dell1.dell.com ([143.166.224.203]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:16:29 -0500 Received: from ccmail.dell.com by dell1.dell.com (4.1/2.1-DELL-G) id AA04706; Wed, 24 Mar 93 11:15:53 CST Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.dell.com (1.30/SMTPLink) id A23262; Wed, 24 Mar 93 11:16:54 CST Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:16:54 -0500 From: George Ludwig Message-Id: <9303241116.A23262@ccmail.dell.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, wbf@aluxpo.att.com Subject: Re: Memory Needs Status: R stuff deleted > >which agrees with George Ludwig's figure. But isn't 1MB = 2**20 Bytes? >That would make it 10.986 MB/min instead of 11.25 MB/min. George's >number seems to be: > > 11520000 11520000 >--------------- instead of --------------- >(1000) x (1024) (1024) x (1024) > >Have I misunderstood binary-as-applied-to-computer-memory-talk all this >time? Also, all these calculations consider the audio only. Won't >there be additional overhead to consider? DAT and CD have subcode data. >Computer files must also have some associated with the, too; right? > >Bill Fox Oops, I think you're right on the 1024*1024 vs. 1000*1024. I was a little tired yesterday. As far as overhead on disk goes, it varies by vendor. I'm not sure what the subcode overhead is on DAT, and I'm not sure that it's totally standard across vendors (I seem to have a dim memory of there being a number of supersets, with the base subsets being readable by all machines). I assumed Dave wanted a ballpark figure for estimating disk size for purchase. In this case the overhead is negligable (when you're dealing with 100MB files, a few K don't matter). ****************************************************************************** George Ludwig | "The flame that burns twice as bright fester@parnasus.dell.com | burns half as long...revel in your time!" Austin, TX | The Opions expressed are mine blah blah blah ****************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 24 12:25:07 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88319-1>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:25:00 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Mar 93 12:24:54 -0500 Received: from dell1.dell.com ([143.166.224.203]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:20:37 -0500 Received: from ccmail.dell.com by dell1.dell.com (4.1/2.1-DELL-G) id AA04709; Wed, 24 Mar 93 11:15:55 CST Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.dell.com (1.30/SMTPLink) id A23263; Wed, 24 Mar 93 11:16:54 CST Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:16:54 -0500 From: George Ludwig Message-Id: <9303241116.A23263@ccmail.dell.com> To: sgroup@lotus, qsp!danb@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Non-Roland mice Status: R There have been a couple of posts on using non-Roland mice with the S-series samplers. I would advise against any such thing. A while ago I had the mouse fail on my S-550; I brought it in. It turned out to be some cracked solders, but the tech told that he had had a number of S-550s in for mouse problems after the user had used a non-Roland mouse. It had apparently blown some "fusing capacitors" (??) on the motherboard. This was independantly confirmed by K.K. Profitt, a Nashville recording engineer on Compuserve's MIDI forum who uses the S-550 regularly (as a drum machine). ****************************************************************************** George Ludwig | "The flame that burns twice as bright fester@parnasus.dell.com | burns half as long...revel in your time!" Austin, TX | The Opions expressed are mine blah blah blah ****************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 24 12:31:46 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88552-3>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:31:35 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Mar 93 12:31:23 -0500 Received: from sunic.sunet.se ([192.36.125.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:26:33 -0500 Received: from nada.kth.se (mail.nada.kth.se) by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA16624; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 18:25:51 +0100 Received: from hemul.nada.kth.se by nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA19665; Wed, 24 Mar 93 18:25:49 +0100 Received: by hemul.nada.kth.se (5.61-bind 1.4+ida/nada-mx-1.0) id AA29556; Wed, 24 Mar 93 18:25:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:25:46 -0500 From: d88-jwa@nada.kth.se Message-Id: <9303241725.AA29556@hemul.nada.kth.se> To: sgroup@lotus, wbf@aluxpo.att.com Subject: Re: Memory Needs Status: R > Have I misunderstood binary-as-applied-to-computer-memory-talk all this > time? Also, all these calculations consider the audio only. Won't No, you're right, but VERY few people get that stuff right anymore. Imagine, the first Finder (for Macintosh) even showed k's as 1000's instead of Ks as 1024's... > there be additional overhead to consider? DAT and CD have subcode data. Not really. What should it be? It's just a byte stream, and a header specifying sampling frequency and format. Not really important, considering the size of the "actual" data (and probably within the error margin of the sampling rate over a minute or two. Cheers, / h+ From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 24 16:05:19 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88550-2>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 16:05:16 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Wed, 24 Mar 1993 16:01:06 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA01949; Wed, 24 Mar 93 16:00:26 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA20392; Wed, 24 Mar 93 15:59:40 -0500 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Wed, 24 Mar 93 10:25:36 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Fwd: [din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din)]WANTED: ROLAND S-550 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 10:25:36 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu Reply-To: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu Message-Id: <0105009A.tbpsvz@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R Forward of article <114905@netnews.upenn.edu> from din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din): WANTED: Roland S-550 sampler (rack) Name your price. Willing to pay $600 for bare unit with manual. May consider extras (disk libraries, etc). Clarence --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clarence K. Din Information Systems Specialist III, Dept of Chemistry, Univ of Pennsylvania din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Too many toys (D-50+M-EX, U-220, SR-16, TurboDuo, SNES, Mac IIsi, HP48SX) and too little time! From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 25 03:54:38 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88553-3>; Thu, 25 Mar 1993 03:54:26 -0500 Received: from lynx.dac.northeastern.edu ([129.10.1.14]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Thu, 25 Mar 1993 03:49:26 -0500 Received: by lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA16121; Thu, 25 Mar 93 03:49:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9303250849.AA16121@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> X-Mailer: *Cinetic Mail Manager V2.1 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 01:18:12 -0500 Reply-To: tmetro@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu From: tmetro@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Tom Metro) To: wbf@aluxpo.att.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler users mailing list) Subject: Re: Memory Needs & Error correction Status: R Bill Fox (wbf@aluxpo.att.com) writes: > Won't there be additional overhead to consider? DAT and CD have > subcode data. Computer files must also have some associated with > them, too; right? DAT and CD use a fairly high percentage of the raw media capacity on error correction data. This is done to compensate for errors in the media, playback equipment, and to ruggedize the system (i.e. so your CD will still play with a scratch). The original question was probably in reference to computer media. Computer hard disks also use error correction code, but it is generally "invisible" to the end user because it's built-in to the formatting. Because computer media is usually sized according to formatted capacity, you don't have to be concerned with error correction overhead. I think the typical PC disk format uses far less error correction information relative to the amount of data than CDs or DATs do. Of course both media types use some overhead for headers, auxiliary information, etc., but this is small relative to the data. -Tom -- Tom Metro tmetro@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu Venture Logic Newton, MA, USA From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Mar 25 11:44:28 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88217-2>; Thu, 25 Mar 1993 11:44:20 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 25 Mar 93 11:44:09 -0500 Received: from dell1.dell.com ([143.166.224.203]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Thu, 25 Mar 1993 11:38:53 -0500 Received: from ccmail.dell.com by dell1.dell.com (4.1/2.1-DELL-G) id AA06674; Thu, 25 Mar 93 10:38:13 CST Received: from cc:Mail by ccmail.dell.com (1.30/SMTPLink) id A23372; Thu, 25 Mar 93 10:39:05 CST Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 11:39:05 -0500 From: George Ludwig Message-Id: <9303251039.A23372@ccmail.dell.com> To: sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: Monitors Status: R Hi there...my cc:mail administrator has told me that the mailing list load caused by the 3 lists I subscribe to are crashing the gateway...please change my address to fester@parnasus.dell.com ****************************************************************************** George Ludwig | "The flame that burns twice as bright fester@parnasus.dell.com | burns half as long...revel in your time!" Austin, TX | The Opions expressed are mine blah blah blah ****************************************************************************** From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Mar 28 22:28:31 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88385-2>; Sun, 28 Mar 1993 22:28:24 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Sun, 28 Mar 93 22:28:19 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Sun, 28 Mar 1993 22:18:13 -0500 Received: from sdcc13.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA04052 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Sun, 28 Mar 93 19:17:48 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (5.60/UCSDGENERIC2) id AA05626 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Sun, 28 Mar 93 19:17:23 PST Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 22:17:23 -0500 From: jdawes@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Handle Head Messiah) Message-Id: <9303290317.AA05626@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU> To: ludwigg@ccmail.dell.com, qsp!danb@uunet.UU.NET, sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: Non-Roland mice Status: R I can confirm that!!! I blew two fuses at once on mine, just because I got a little to curious!! Wow! Who could of ever thought that sampling could be so dangerous Handle Head Messiah From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Mar 29 22:54:59 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88385-2>; Mon, 29 Mar 1993 22:54:50 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 29 Mar 93 22:54:40 -0500 Received: from world.std.com ([192.74.137.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Mon, 29 Mar 1993 22:49:32 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA14771; Mon, 29 Mar 1993 22:49:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 22:47:07 -0500 From: michael gary moncur Subject: Re: Non-Roland mice To: SGroup Post In-Reply-To: <9303290317.AA05626@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R On Sun, 28 Mar 1993, Handle Head Messiah wrote: > I can confirm that!!! I blew two fuses at once on mine, just because I got a little to curious!! Wow! Who could of ever thought that sampling could be so > dangerous > > Handle Head Messiah My friend and I researched it the other way, by poking around inside the mouse and seeing what it outputted. It would really be simple to make an adapter to allow an Atari or Amiga mouse to work... I wonder if there would be a market for such a thing. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 30 01:35:59 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88385-1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 01:35:51 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 30 Mar 93 01:35:49 -0500 Received: from saturn.ads.com ([128.229.30.19]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 01:32:08 -0500 Received: by saturn.ads.com (5.65+/1.34v1.3) id AA10302; Mon, 29 Mar 93 22:33:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 01:33:26 -0500 From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) Message-Id: <9303300633.AA10302@saturn.ads.com> To: mgm@world.std.com Subject: Re: Non-Roland mice Cc: sgroup@lotus Status: R I have always wanted to get a trackball instead of that mouse on my S-550 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 30 09:50:07 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88386-3>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 09:49:58 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 09:45:42 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA20444 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Tue, 30 Mar 93 06:45:33 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA06653 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Tue, 30 Mar 93 06:45:32 PST Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 09:45:32 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) Message-Id: <9303301445.AA06653@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S-550 voice structure Status: R Just got a used S-550 and sampled some stuff and it sounds great but the manual is really poorly written. I have trouble mapping out the sampled sounds on different MIDI channels and zones on the keyboard. The way I understand it is that a sample is a tone. From a tone you can make a subtone by tweaking parameters. Tones and subtones are used to define a patch. A patch is what you use in play mode hwne setting MIDI channels for the 8 patches you can play. That's when I have trouble, the sampler only plays the pacth assigned to channel 1 even though I trigger notes on other channels, any ideas what I am doing wrong?? Also, anyone out there with system 1.13 for the S-550, I have a really old version and apparently Roland are being dicks like usaul charging $17 for these disks... Thanks mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 30 10:51:22 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88385-1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 10:51:13 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 10:45:51 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA01302; Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:44:23 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA14207; Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:44:18 -0500 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:42:57 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Fwd: [mikhil@Dublin.docs.uu.se (Mikael Hillborg)]Re: SAMPLER Mailing List, CD-ROM INFO Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 10:42:57 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: mikhil@Dublin.docs.uu.se Reply-To: mikhil@Dublin.docs.uu.se Message-Id: <0105009A.trl5he@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R Forward of article from mikhil@Dublin.docs.uu.se (Mikael Hillborg): adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com writes: >I know this is probably a tiring question, but, could people who know >please email me with info on Brand-specific sampler mailing lists??? >I would like to know about EMU, Akai, and Roland... I'm looking for >information about who has the best library (on floppy [eek], hard >disk, or CDROM), and other such brand specific things. This particular >news group doesn't appear to have many people with much experience in >this area, so some sort of "special interest group" source of information >is what I'm looking for!!! >Thanx, Jeff Adams. You can use the address from your news reader, or this >one: adams@upse01.mtv.gtegsc.com. I am also very interested! /Mikael Hillborg, Computer Sciencestudent at __ __ _ | \ / / \ | | __ | \_ | |/ \ | \ |__/ \__/ \__ \_/ Department of Computer Systems, University of Uppsala, Sweden email: mikhil@student.docs.uu.se From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 30 10:57:05 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88385-2>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 10:57:01 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 10:50:48 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA01298; Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:44:16 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA14190; Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:44:05 -0500 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:42:46 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Fwd: [mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen)]Re: SAMPLER Mailing List, CD-ROM INFO Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 10:42:46 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu Reply-To: mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu Message-Id: <0105009A.trl55c@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R Forward of article from mchen@sol4.cs.psu.edu (Michael Chen): In article mikhil@Dublin.docs.uu.se (Mikael Hillborg) writes: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com writes: >I know this is probably a tiring question, but, could people who know >please email me with info on Brand-specific sampler mailing lists??? >I would like to know about EMU, Akai, and Roland... I'm looking for >information about who has the best library (on floppy [eek], hard >disk, or CDROM), and other such brand specific things. This particular >news group doesn't appear to have many people with much experience in >this area, so some sort of "special interest group" source of information >is what I'm looking for!!! >Thanx, Jeff Adams. You can use the address from your news reader, or this >one: adams@upse01.mtv.gtegsc.com. I am also very interested! A better newsgroup for this stuff is rec.music.makers.synth. Check it out. -- Michael Chen | From the depths of our most lucid horrors | | spring our fond hopes and pure desires... | mchen@cs.psu.edu | except what comes from HELL! :-) 7/23/92 | From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 30 11:01:46 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88388-3>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 11:01:37 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 10:57:07 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA01306; Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:44:27 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA14217; Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:44:25 -0500 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Tue, 30 Mar 93 10:43:07 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Fwd: [adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com]SAMPLER Mailing List, CD-ROM INFO Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 10:43:07 -0500 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Sender: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com Reply-To: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com Message-Id: <0105009A.trl5qg@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: R Forward of article <1993Mar25.103123.256@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com> from adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com: I know this is probably a tiring question, but, could people who know please email me with info on Brand-specific sampler mailing lists??? I would like to know about EMU, Akai, and Roland... I'm looking for information about who has the best library (on floppy [eek], hard disk, or CDROM), and other such brand specific things. This particular news group doesn't appear to have many people with much experience in this area, so some sort of "special interest group" source of information is what I'm looking for!!! Thanx, Jeff Adams. You can use the address from your news reader, or this one: adams@upse01.mtv.gtegsc.com. From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 30 14:38:54 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88390-1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 14:38:45 -0500 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 14:33:50 -0500 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA13043; Tue, 30 Mar 93 09:32:43 HST Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 14:32:40 -0500 From: Jon Ciliberto To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: system versionss Message-Id: Status: R ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) writes: >Also, anyone out there with system 1.13 for the S-550, I have a really old >verss disks... the S-550 i bought came with version 1.00 of system and Util. what are the lateest? can i get them? what are the practical differences? ........................................................................... Jon Ciliberto . jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu Graduate Assistant . (808) 956-9704 SHAPS Publications Office . Moore 223 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 31 09:28:02 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88172-3>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 09:27:51 -0500 Received: from att.att.com ([192.20.239.131]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 09:22:41 -0500 From: wbf@aluxpo.att.com Received: from alux1.cnet.att.com by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-031293) id AA19837; Wed, 31 Mar 93 09:18:13 EST Received: by alux1.cnet.att.com (4.1/DCS-aluxpo_client-022293) id AA00207; Wed, 31 Mar 93 09:18:14 EST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 09:18:14 -0500 Original-From: aluxpo!wbf (William Fox) Message-Id: <9303311418.AA00207@alux1.cnet.att.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: S550 voice structure and SW Rev# Status: R mc (whoever you are!) wrote: > Just got a used S-550 and sampled some stuff and it sounds great but > the manual is really poorly written. I have trouble mapping out the > sampled sounds on different MIDI channels and zones on the keyboard. > The way I understand it is that a sample is a tone. From a tone you > can make a subtone by tweaking parameters. Tones and subtones are used > to define a patch. A patch is what you use in play mode hwne setting > MIDI channels for the 8 patches you can play. ^ | (Temporary dyslexia of the digits!) Mapping out tones in a patch and all other patch parameters are NOT associated with any MIDI channels. The main screen is where each part (A - H) selects a patch, sets volume, MIDI channel, and output port. (There may be other things set but I'm at work and my memory is imperfect.) Note priority/polyphony assignment is also set on this screen but that is selected as an overall screen thing, not as an individual part parameter. Therefore, a part can only have one MIDI channel assigned to it. Its assigned patch may be a split of many tones (a la drum assignments) but they'll all be on ONE MIDI channel. Sorry! One MIDI channel per part. After all, the S550 is a sound module, not a keyboard controller. > Also, anyone out there with system 1.13 for the S-550, I have a really > old version and apparently Roland are being dicks like usaul charging > $17 for these disks... Thanks Yesterday, I received a Utility disk version 1.13. Is that what everybody wants? I'll try to remember to bring it in to work and try samdisk on it. Joe, if successful, can I use ftp's put command to upload to the archive? Where should I put it? BTW, I asked for the disk and Roland sent it GRATIS! All I did was call the support people in California. Bill From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Mar 30 19:16:42 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88396-1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 19:16:34 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Tue, 30 Mar 93 19:16:26 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Tue, 30 Mar 1993 19:12:14 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA28505 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Tue, 30 Mar 93 16:11:57 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA00118 to sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Tue, 30 Mar 93 16:11:56 PST Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 19:11:56 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) Message-Id: <9303310011.AA00118@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu, sgroup@lotus Subject: Re: system versionss Status: RO Yeah, so wre mine (ver 1.00) they are buggy compared to the latest ver 1.13. mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 31 12:07:19 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88186-1>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 12:07:12 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 31 Mar 93 12:07:02 -0500 Received: from ucsd.edu ([128.54.16.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 12:03:32 -0500 Received: from sdcc15.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id AA13867 sendmail 5.67/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Wed, 31 Mar 93 09:03:07 -0800 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Received: by sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA19169 to wbf@aluxpo.att.com; Wed, 31 Mar 93 09:03:05 PST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 12:03:05 -0500 From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU (MC) Message-Id: <9303311703.AA19169@sdcc15.UCSD.EDU> To: sgroup@lotus, wbf@aluxpo.att.com Subject: Re: S550 voice structure and SW Rev# Status: R Would be awesome if you could Samdisk the utilities(v 1.13). Thanks for the help. mc From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 31 19:05:43 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88398-2>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 19:05:36 -0500 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <6>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 19:01:30 -0500 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA01278; Wed, 31 Mar 93 14:00:54 HST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 19:00:51 -0500 From: Jon Ciliberto To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: a tour of roland's phones Message-Id: Status: RO i phoned RolandCorp today in search of a newer than 1.0 version of the S-550 system, and got placed on infinite hold (a few times). Does anyone have a NAME over there, so as to avoid this expensive time-waste? ........................................................................... Jon Ciliberto . jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu Graduate Assistant . (808) 956-9704 SHAPS Publications Office . Moore 223 From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 31 20:19:47 1993 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88398-2>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 20:19:35 -0500 Received: from volitans.MorningStar.Com ([137.175.2.11]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <17>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 20:16:06 -0500 Received: from trigger.morningstar.com by volitans.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/92122901) id AA11938; Wed, 31 Mar 93 20:15:38 -0500 Received: by trigger.MorningStar.Com (5.65a/93011501) id AA13397; Wed, 31 Mar 93 20:15:35 -0500 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.6v2); Wed, 31 Mar 93 20:15:03 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Subject: Re: a tour of roland's phones Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 20:15:03 -0500 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.tvb25a@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Status: RO In Regards to your letter : > > i phoned RolandCorp today in search of a newer than 1.0 version of the S-550 > system, and got placed on infinite hold (a few times). Does anyone have a > NAME over there, so as to avoid this expensive time-waste? > > ........................................................................... > Jon Ciliberto . jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu > Graduate Assistant . (808) 956-9704 > SHAPS Publications Office . Moore 223 Roland Corporation US 7200 Dominion Circle Los Angeles, CA 90040 (213) 685-5141 Fax: (213) 726-8865, attn:Operational Support What I do is send a fax and let them call me back instead of staying on hold forever. It has worked. Hope this helps! David david@roth-music.com From lotus.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Mar 31 22:22:52 1993 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <88399-1>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 22:22:40 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Wed, 31 Mar 93 22:22:37 -0500 Received: from uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <29>; Wed, 31 Mar 1993 22:18:21 -0500 Received: by uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (4.1/Sun690) id AA01933; Wed, 31 Mar 93 17:17:37 HST Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 22:17:34 -0500 From: Jon Ciliberto To: sgroup@lotus Subject: new system for s550 Message-Id: Status: RO the folks at Roland phoned me, and it seems a version of System/Utility 1.13 (i think that's what it is) costs $15. somewhat steep, and the tech guy said it is not an essential thing... ........................................................................... Jon Ciliberto . jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu Graduate Assistant . (808) 956-9704 SHAPS Publications Office . Moore 223