From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 3 01:10:08 1992 Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu ([129.97.108.61]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168256(2)>; Mon, 3 Aug 1992 01:09:59 -0400 Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.8.98]) by taipan.waterloo.edu with SMTP id <31100>; Mon, 3 Aug 1992 00:42:04 -0400 Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA01702; Mon, 3 Aug 92 00:41:15 -0400 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.5v4); Mon, 3 Aug 92 00:19:02 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@taipan.waterloo.edu Subject: FTP sites for sgroup Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1992 01:19:02 -0400 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.a4avld@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4 Status: RO Since I have been able to actually get some files via ftpmail it has directed me to pay more attention to where these samples are being stored for the sgroup. So...where are the archives of the sgroup stored available FTP? I would like to get a hold of the R8 Jazz Brushes sample that our might man George did. Thanks in advance! David david@roth-music.com From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Tue Aug 4 19:44:39 1992 Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.108.61]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168082(1)>; Tue, 4 Aug 1992 19:44:27 -0400 Received: by taipan.waterloo.edu via suspension id <31184>; Tue, 4 Aug 1992 19:40:36 -0400 Received: from watdragon.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.24]) by taipan.waterloo.edu with SMTP id <31100>; Tue, 4 Aug 1992 16:14:10 -0400 Received: by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca id <168338(2)>; Tue, 4 Aug 1992 16:11:16 -0400 From: "John M. Sellens" To: david@roth-music.com, sgroup@taipan.waterloo.edu Subject: Re: FTP sites for sgroup Message-Id: <92Aug4.161116edt.168338(2)@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1992 16:03:40 -0400 Status: R | From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) | Subject: FTP sites for sgroup | | Since I have been able to actually get some files via ftpmail it has directed | me to pay more attention to where these samples are being stored for | the sgroup. | | So...where are the archives of the sgroup stored available FTP? I | would like to get a hold of the R8 Jazz Brushes sample that our might | man George did. I don't think the sgroup samples are available on line anywhere at the moment. However, if someone wanted to upload some and contact me to arrange a way to get them into the FTP archive on taipan.uwaterloo.ca .... John jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Wed Aug 12 16:50:00 1992 Received: from taipan.waterloo.edu ([129.97.108.61]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168315-2>; Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:49:58 -0400 Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.8.98]) by taipan.waterloo.edu with SMTP id <31185>; Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:42:02 -0400 Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA26748; Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:41:25 -0400 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.5v4); Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:26:58 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@taipan.waterloo.edu Subject: Re: FTP sites for sgroup Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:26:58 -0400 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.atr2ic@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4 Status: R In Regards to your letter <92Aug4.161116edt.168338(2)@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>: > > | From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) > | Subject: FTP sites for sgroup > | > | Since I have been able to actually get some files via ftpmail it has directed > | me to pay more attention to where these samples are being stored for > | the sgroup. > | > | So...where are the archives of the sgroup stored available FTP? I > | would like to get a hold of the R8 Jazz Brushes sample that our might > | man George did. > > I don't think the sgroup samples are available on line anywhere at > the moment. However, if someone wanted to upload some and contact > me to arrange a way to get them into the FTP archive on > taipan.uwaterloo.ca .... > > John > jmsellens@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Trying out the FTP mail I did a get on the good disks listed. I got them but they were sent as binary files which didn't work out at all. :-) I assume if I mention they are binary they will arrive via e-mail as uuencoded I would guess. I will have to try again but before I do I wanted to know if the files which are there now on your site are good. Thanks! David From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Thu Aug 13 03:16:47 1992 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168327-1>; Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:16:44 -0400 Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Thu, 13 Aug 92 03:16:40 -0400 Received: from pag.wang.co.at ([192.68.4.3]) by taipan.waterloo.edu with SMTP id <31185>; Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:15:59 -0400 Received: by pag.wang.co.at (5.59/mza); id AA07681; Thu, 13 Aug 92 09:08:50 MES From: Michael Zacherl Message-Id: <9208131208.AA07681@pag.wang.co.at> Simplesender: mza@pag.wang.co.at Subject: Memoryexpansion for S330?? To: sgroup@taipan Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:08:44 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R Is there any 3rd party upgrade to increase memory in the S330?? /michael -- Michael Zacherl, Wang Austria Ltd., Vienna | E-MAIL: mza@pag.wang.co.at | "Everything is possible, PHONE: +43 (1) 89-111 ext. 433 | but nothing is real" FAX: +43 (1) 894-17-14 | (Living Colour) From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 17 02:59:38 1992 Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.108.61]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168254-3>; Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:59:33 -0400 Received: from hp4at.eunet.co.at ([131.130.249.2]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31188>; Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:58:59 -0400 Received: from pag.wang.co.at ([192.68.4.3]) by hp4at.eunet.co.at with SMTP id AA01433 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:58:08 +0200 Received: by pag.wang.co.at (5.59/mza); id AA12997; Mon, 17 Aug 92 08:50:34 MES From: Michael Zacherl Message-Id: <9208171150.AA12997@pag.wang.co.at> Simplesender: mza@pag.wang.co.at Subject: Re: Memoryexpansion for S330?? To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler Group) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:50:32 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: mza@pag.wang.co.at X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R > From: keeler@hercules (Jason Keeler) Jason, your e-mailaddress is incomplete! > > Is there any 3rd party upgrade to increase memory in the S330?? > > > You bet. PA-Decoder has an expansion which allows you to install up to 5 MB > of extra memory. The basic memory expansion which simply doubles your sampling > time, costs $498US (directly through PA-Decoder). This also gives you a new > 2U rack to house the extra board and ram card(s). In addition, they also > provide you with a new operating system to access the new ram. > > You can contact them at the following address: > > PA-DECODER > 1258, South Ogden Drive > Los Angeles, CA > 90019 > (213)938-8924 > > ...Jason Keeler Thanks a lot!! Does this Expansion still have the annoying memoryblocking??? Just by chance, you got a FAX# of them (we have 9 hours timeshift to LA) Thanks, /m -- Michael Zacherl, Wang Austria Ltd., Vienna | E-MAIL: mza@pag.wang.co.at | "Everything is possible, PHONE: +43 (1) 89-111 ext. 433 | but nothing is real" FAX: +43 (1) 894-17-14 | (Living Colour) From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 17 03:41:59 1992 Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.108.61]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168254-2>; Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:41:57 -0400 Received: from saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu ([128.146.8.98]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31189>; Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:41:24 -0400 Received: by saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA10751; Mon, 17 Aug 92 03:41:14 -0400 Received: by david.roth-music.com (uA-1.5v4); Mon, 17 Aug 92 03:31:39 EST From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Creating Hip Hop loops Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:31:39 -0400 Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Message-Id: <0105009A.b9jgq1@david.roth-music.com> X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4 Status: R In Regards to your letter <9208161749.AA19372@hercules>: > > In case anyone is interested, the May 1991 issue of Keyboard had an interesting > article on creating Hip-Hop loops for putting into sequences. Up until now I > have been using a much more hit-and-miss approach; I simply made the loop and > adjusted the sequence tempo until they locked up. This article uses a simple > formula for calculating tempo: > SAMPLE RATE * 60 > ---------------- > SAMPLES PER BEAT > > Which gives you the beats per minute (BPM). I'll ask since I don't mind appearing foolish. :-) Please provide an exmaple of what the value of SAMPLE RATE would be and SAMPLES PER BEAT. Sample Rate to me means like 15 and 30 as is on the Roland S-330. If that is the case what do you gain to take that number * 60? I also don't understand the Sample Per beat result either. I also having a feeling that using your ears to decide where the loop is, is a more natural way to figure this out not to mention that it usually is not a lengthy process. > > If anyone wants more detail I suppose I might be persuaded to give my executive > summary of the article :) Lay it on us! > > Let's get some conversation going in this group!! > > ...Jason David From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Sun Aug 16 13:55:17 1992 Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.108.61]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168083-3>; Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:55:15 -0400 Received: from hercules ([142.3.200.90]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <31187>; Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:51:11 -0400 Received: by hercules (5.61/1.34) id AA19372; Sun, 16 Aug 92 11:49:56 -0600 From: keeler@hercules (Jason Keeler) Message-Id: <9208161749.AA19372@hercules> Subject: Creating Hip Hop loops To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler Group) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:49:56 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R In case anyone is interested, the May 1991 issue of Keyboard had an interesting article on creating Hip-Hop loops for putting into sequences. Up until now I have been using a much more hit-and-miss approach; I simply made the loop and adjusted the sequence tempo until they locked up. This article uses a simple formula for calculating tempo: SAMPLE RATE * 60 ---------------- SAMPLES PER BEAT Which gives you the beats per minute (BPM). If anyone wants more detail I suppose I might be persuaded to give my executive summary of the article :) Let's get some conversation going in this group!! ...Jason From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 31 11:05:16 1992 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <167973-1>; Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:05:14 -0400 Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca by math.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id ; Mon, 31 Aug 92 11:05:05 -0400 Received: from UICVM.UIC.EDU ([128.248.2.50]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30823>; Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:02:16 -0400 Received: from BRUFSC.BITNET by UICVM.UIC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 9014; Mon, 31 Aug 92 10:01:37 CDT Received: by BRUFSC (Mailer R2.08) id 0129; Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:01:47 BSC Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:59:31 -0400 From: Flavio <87141167%BRUFSC.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Subject: PA DECODER memory expansion to W30? To: sgroup@taipan Message-Id: <92Aug31.110216edt.30823@taipan.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Hi folks, Someone knows if this expansion works with W30 too? Considering that S330 and W30 are similar, I'd be interested in one of this! Thanks in advance, Flavio _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- FLAVIO BRESSAN - 87141167@BRUFSC | FLAVIO BRESSAN GRAD IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING | R AFONSO PENA, 987 - ESTREITO FEDERAL UNIVERSITY OF SANTA CATARINA| 88070-650 - FPOLIS - SC - BRASIL -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 31 11:10:06 1992 Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.108.61]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <167972-1>; Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:10:00 -0400 Received: from UICVM.UIC.EDU ([128.248.2.50]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30823>; Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:09:22 -0400 Received: from BRUFSC.BITNET by UICVM.UIC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 9041; Mon, 31 Aug 92 10:08:34 CDT Received: by BRUFSC (Mailer R2.08) id 0137; Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:10:39 BSC Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:02:21 -0400 From: Flavio <87141167%BRUFSC.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Subject: Time compressing at Roland samplers To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca Message-Id: <92Aug31.110922edt.30823@taipan.uwaterloo.ca> Status: R Hello guys, So far I know, S770 and S750 are the only that have the time compression/expansion feature. Someone have any idea of how to do this with the others Roland samplers? To adapt the BPM of the music to the BPM of the sample is what I doing actually, but and if I want change the BPM of the sample, without change the sample pitch? Sample dump? Don't sopported! Maybe with the help of the SAMDISK program, and a PC sample editor? I think this is more realistic, but there is a PC program like this? Thanks in advance, Flavio _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- FLAVIO BRESSAN - 87141167@BRUFSC | FLAVIO BRESSAN GRAD IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING | R AFONSO PENA, 987 - ESTREITO FEDERAL UNIVERSITY OF SANTA CATARINA| 88070-650 - FPOLIS - SC - BRASIL -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From taipan.uwaterloo.ca!sgroup-owner Mon Aug 31 13:14:20 1992 Received: from taipan.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.108.61]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <167973-2>; Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:14:09 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.2.50]) by taipan.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <30823>; Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:13:09 -0400 Received: from ulrik.uio.no by pat.uio.no with local-SMTP (PP) id <08649-0@pat.uio.no>; Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:07:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:07:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9208311707.AAfidibus15504@fidibus.uio.no> Sender: t.g.finstad@fys.uio.no To: sgroup@taipan.uwaterloo.ca From: Terje Finstad Subject: Re: Time compressing at Roland samplers Status: R FLAVIO BRESSAN wrote: >Hello guys, > > So far I know, S770 and S750 are the only that have the time >compression/expansion feature. > Someone have any idea of how to do this with the others Roland >samplers? To adapt the BPM of the music to the BPM of the sample is what >I doing actually, but and if I want change the BPM of the sample, without >change the sample pitch? > Sample dump? Don't sopported! > Maybe with the help of the SAMDISK program, and a PC sample editor? >I think this is more realistic, but there is a PC program like this? I wrote a program that extracts selected samples out of Roland sampler disks and images. I wrote this for the Mac but I also made a PC version which save the samples in several different formats. In addition there are format converters available so it should always be possible to get the samples in a format an editor understand, I think. The PC version worked with the formats I could test myself with import to applications. There are also programs like 'csound' available(=free). This can run on a 386 and even a 286. I think, without having first hand experience with csound for the PC, that you can do a lot of sample manupulations with that program. It is not as intuitive and easy to use as a sample editor however. It is more like a programming language ( well it is C with extensions sort of ?). Compression and expansion I am sure you could do,- how well? I haven't a clue. In addition to doing sample manipulations with csound, you can calculate samples ( for instance with FM operators) , (it is more tedious than dialing on a yamaha, just a friendly warning :)) terje