From mailbox.syr.edu!naherzin Sat Oct 31 21:45:33 1992 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168426-3>; Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:45:23 -0500 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA10898; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:46:07 EST Received: by rodan.acs.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA04685; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:41:19 EST Message-Id: <9211010241.AA04685@rodan.acs.syr.edu> To: jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Subject: 1991 May Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:41:18 -0500 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 8 May 1991 16:48 EDT Subject: what the... ? In the words of Roger Waters: "Is there anybody OUT THERE?" -Pink Floyd, The Wall In the words of George Demarest: "what the... ?" -gfd, This Mail -- Date: Thu, 9 May 91 00:32:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: what the... ? So what's going on in the sampler world? I can't think of anything new to talk about. Anyone have any questions/comments? neil -- To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: what the... ? Date: 9 May 91 01:04:21 EDT (Thu) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) >From uucp Thu May 9 00:50 EDT 1991 >>From andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+ Thu May 9 00:50:54 1991 remote from osu-cis >Date: Thu, 9 May 91 00:32:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger >To: Sgroup >Subject: Re: what the... ? > >So what's going on in the sampler world? I can't think of anything new to >talk about. Anyone have any questions/comments? > >neil > Yup! I was wondering if anyone has taken a look at the sample library for the S-770 and see if it had anything killer worth converting for the S-330. What I mean by being "worth" converting meaning that it won't loose a lot by going from 16 bit to 12 bit. I'm speaking of sampling through analog means of course unless someone has a better idea. David -- Date: Thu, 9 May 91 12:35:45 BST >From: "Patrick C.K.Tsang" <@BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU:ckt@ukc.ac.uk> Subject: Nothing to talk about ? To: sgroup+ >So what's going on in the sampler world? I can't think of anything new to >talk about. Anyone have any questions/comments? >neil Comment : I think one major feature of the S-series samplers that has not yet been discussed in full enough detail in this group, if it ever had been brought to light at all. This being the digital filtering section. When the S-50 was brought out the thing that received most press coverage was the VDU out and the tablet/mouse/remote. What wasn't much talked about (because it wasn't so hip then) was the filtering capabilities. The S-series gave something that the Akai S-900 didn't for the price. This is also why the S-770 can hold it's own against the S-1000 even though it was born late in the race for professional 16-bit, 48KHz sampling. ALL S-series have dynamic filters, something that gave your drum pattern a lively sound that the Akai cannot. (The Synclavier or Fairlight can't either ! Feel proud !) Many people thought that the S-550 was brought out because it was rack-mounted and had twice the memory of the S-50. What then, do you think, made the S-50 so different from the S-330/W-30, that you can't even freely exchange disks between them without convertion ? They have the same memory, similar specifications, same sampling rates, same sonic characters, they can all run their own version of director-S sequencer. Why is a S-330 same as half a S-550 which is twice a S-50, and yet a S-330 is not the same as a racked S-50 ? Roland's answer is that the racks and the workstation runs new software that gives you extra stages in the amplitude and filtering envelopes. What they did not tell you is that the hardware is different anyway. There are parameters in the amplitude and filter pages that are extra in the newer machines because these hardware are capable of producing that sound. Questions : Are we using this capability fully ? Are we using it at all ? We are sampling freaks, but we are also programmers, so there must be, among us, people who really know their stuff about filtering ideas, how to do special effects with their samples but who have not had a chance to voice their ideas. Tell us ! Patrick Tsang Synclavier Programmer -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 9 May 1991 10:43 EDT Subject: filtering > >From: "Patrick C.K.Tsang" <@bitnet.cc.cmu.edu:ckt@ukc.ac.uk> > Subject: Nothing to talk about ? > > Comments: > > I think one major feature of the S-series samplers that has > not yet been discussed in full enough detail in this group, > if it ever had been brought to light at all. This being the > digital filtering section. ... stuff deleted ... > Questions : > > Are we using this capability fully ? Are we using it at all ? > > We are sampling freaks, but we are also programmers, so there > must be, among us, people who really know their stuff about > filtering ideas, how to do special effects with their samples > but who have not had a chance to voice their ideas. Tell us ! > > Patrick Tsang Thomas Flemming posted some filter settings that produced fairly "classic" resonant filter sounds for the S-330, S-550. I will dig them up and post them if no one else does so before me. It is a section of my sampler that I'm not too versed in, to be honest. Sound design can be a long process and a lot of people are squeezed for time as it is. Certainly on my list of things to do... gfd -- Date: Thu, 9 May 1991 13:52:09 PDT >From: Donald_C._Tycholis.ES_AE@xerox.com Subject: Re: what the... ? (part 2) To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: Donald_C._Tycholis.ES_AE@xerox.com, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu sorry for the sick humor of my previous posting. The last message was to indicate "nothing to say" 8v). Sorry, been real busy with no time for fun. Maybe later this month? this year? ciao, tycho -- To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: what the... ? Date: 9 May 91 17:00:11 EDT (Thu) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) >From uucp Thu May 9 16:53 EDT 1991 >From fernwood.mpk.ca.us!btr!public!sjs Thu May 9 16:53:48 1991 remote from o su-cis Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) id AA08851; 9 May 91 16:53:48 EDT (Thu) Received: from fernwood.mpk.ca.us by cheops.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.91040 3) id AA23608; Thu, 9 May 91 15:45:45 -0400 Received: by fernwood.mpk.ca.us; id AA02036; Thu, 9 May 91 12:41:05 -0700 Received: from public.BTR.COM by btr.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA10210; Thu, 9 May 91 11:03:12 PDT Received: by public.BTR.COM (4.0/SMI-4.0.btr.1) id AA00688; Thu, 9 May 91 11:04:19 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 91 11:04:19 PDT >From: fernwood.mpk.ca.us!btr!public!sjs (Stephen J. Schow sjs@btr.com) Message-Id: <9105091804.AA00688@public.BTR.COM> To: david!david Subject: Re: what the... ? Status: R Is there a way to use sample editing software transfer the samples to the S-550 or S-330 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you pick the (415) 366-8778 | pear of the big paw paw....have I given you a clue? (415) 813-4007 | sjs@btr.com | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- >From: Don Law Date: Thu, 9 May 91 18:20:30 -0400 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: what the... ? Yeah - I've been planning to get to this net sample transfer stuff "next month" for about a year now. And I was planning for 1991 to be a sort of Sabbatical year. Ha. Yeah. Right. In case newcomers wonder what "net sample transfer stuff" is, it is some software that I intend to write to allow samples to be transferred like this: Roland S-series <--> IBM PC <--> Unix <--> FTP <--> anything <--> IBM PC <--> somebody else's Roland S-series Maybe late this summer. Our band really needs some good pads, which I hope to get from netland. Meanwhile, my S-10 will faithfully reproduce pig snorts for our band's tune "Dinner with Pigs." Have fun, --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** -- To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: what the... ? Date: 9 May 91 22:19:05 EDT (Thu) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) >From uucp Thu May 9 21:57 EDT 1991 >>From MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA!KEELERJA Thu May 9 21:57:40 1991 remote from osu-cis >Received: by david.UUCP (smail3.0) > id AA09624; 9 May 91 21:57:40 EDT (Thu) >Received: from att.att.com by cheops.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.910403) > id AA28436; Thu, 9 May 91 20:50:54 -0400 >Message-Id: <9105100050.AA28436@cheops.cis.ohio-state.edu> >From: KEELERJA@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA >Received: by att.att.com; Thu May 9 20:39:42 EDT 1991 >Received: from MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA by Max.UREGINA.CA (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 7811; Thu, 09 May 91 18:37:48 CST >Received: by UREGINA1 (Mailer R2.05) id 9207; Thu, 09 May 91 18:37:48 CST >Date: Thu, 09 May 91 18:37:13 CST >Original-From: Jason Keeler >Subject: Re: what the... ? >To: david!david >In-Reply-To: Your message of 9 May 91 01:04:21 EDT (Thu) >Status: R > >Hi; > >What about Samplevision?? > >...Jason > What about it? David -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 10 May 1991 8:16 EDT Subject: sample tranfser > Subject: Re: what the... ? > >Is there a way to use sample editing software transfer the samples to the S-550 > or S-330 > > Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you pick the The obvious question is: from where? I have Digidesign Sound Designer II (Sound Tools) and it has extensive editting features as well as compatibility with most well known samplers. Samples are transferred over midi. Works fine. Samplevision will work for the IBM, and I believe Alchemy will do as well. gfd -- Date: Fri, 10 May 91 10:59:39 -0500 >From: "Derek A. Taubert" To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Roland disk transfer programs To the people working on this: 1) Where did you get the layout of the roland disks? 2) Can you send it to me? I'm rather interested in seeing us able to transfer disk through Internet, and would like to put in my $0.02. I'm a good (modesty) programmer, and I could churn out such a program, if no one else has gotten very far with this. If someone has, I'd still like to know what & where roland is putting onto the disks. Derek -- Date: Fri, 10 May 91 12:55:09 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs Yeah, I'm all for this. Of course I can't contribute anything but my good wishes... Let's get the sgroup library on-line and reduce this archaic US mail thing! Right George? I have a question- Does anyone use the director S sequencer and what is it like? I'm mainly just curious as I use Performer on the mac for my sequencing. Can you load sounds in while the sequecing software is installed? neil -- Date: Fri, 10 May 91 13:00:28 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: Nothing to talk about ? >>> I think one major feature of the S-series samplers that has not yet been discussed in full enough detail in this group, if it ever had been brought to light at all. This being the digital filtering section. >>> I haven't really done a whole lot with the filters either. Sometimes its fun to jack the HPF all the way to 10 anc crank the resonance up to get a really tinny crackly sound. This is especially good with vocal and shortwave samples. But probably more for those who enjoy the industrial esthetic... One other use is to run a slight LPF to reduce some noise from bad samples (if you don't want them sounding bad :-P ). Does anyone else have any tricks? -- To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs Date: 10 May 91 13:32:55 EDT (Fri) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) I called Roland last year and asked about the format of the Roland disks and they were not able to help me. They said they simply market Roland products in the US and the software support was done in Japan. By the way, I was speaking to technical support. The other suggest would be to create a program that would be ported to various computers that would do a complete MIDI sample dump with the Roland. I also looked into this and it is not a simple request and dump. It requires handshaking as part of the protocol in the form of Requests and Acks with the Roland sampler. My reason for looking into this was that it would be more portable to have the MIDI sample dump of the Roland saved as SYSEX in a Standard Midi File which could then be transfer on the net. I imagine that a utility could be developed to do this. There is another disk format option which is not open to everyone except MAC owners with SuperDrives. There is a utility called DART which understands and can read/write a Roland sample disk for the S-330 format. It does a complete read sector by sector the best I can tell and just writes it back out on a new floppy. As I mentioned, the problem with this is that it limits users with access to a MAC with a superdrive. I honestly feel that the best approach would be to create a utility that can be ported to MAC, PC, etc that would allow uploading and downloading of MIDI sample dump with the Roland sampler. There is a detail spec of this in the back of the Roland S-330 manual. Any takers? David -- To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs Date: 10 May 91 13:34:56 EDT (Fri) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) I don't think no matter you do to a Roland Sampler you can't make it load samples while it is playing. David -- >From: Don Law Date: Fri, 10 May 91 13:53:22 -0400 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs > From: "Derek A. Taubert" > Subject: Roland disk transfer programs > > To the people working on this: > > 1) Where did you get the layout of the roland disks? > 2) Can you send it to me? There are some other S-groupers who were looking at reading Roland sound disks from Mac's, but that's not the path I'm taking. I was planning to use a System Exclusive dump to get the sample from the Roland into my PC. The advantages to this: 1) you don't have to know the Roland disk format 2) People like me who have 2.8" disks instead of 3.5" disks could still trade samples with the group. I bought a C compiler and debugger as well as the PC MIDI card driver library from MusicQuest so I could work on this, but it just hasn't made it to the top of my to-do list. If you want to commit to work on this stuff, I might be convinced to loan this stuff to you. This library is MusicQuest specific, but might possibly work on other MPU-401 MIDI interfaces. Here's what needs to be done: 1) Write a C program (or whatever language you want to use) to take a system-exclusive dump from a sampler and store it in a disk file. Write it in such as way that the MIDI interface part is small and isolated so that it can be easily ported to other MIDI platforms. 2) Write another program (which may run on a PC or on Unix - I would use Unix because I hate Ms. DOS) to translate from the SysEx to some standard format that everyone will use to transfer samples and vice versa. Naturally, different S-series samplers will have different SysEx formats, so this program needs to know what it is coming from or going to. Another reason I'd like to do this is because I want to back up all my Roland sound library floppies without having to buy dozens of other floppies. It would be nice just to zap it up to a computer at work and roll it all off on a tar tape. For what it's worth ... --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** -- Date: Fri, 10 May 91 12:01:36 -0700 >From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs Does anyone use the director S sequencer and what is it like? I'm mainly just curious as I use Performer on the mac for my sequencing. Can you load sounds in while the sequecing software is installed? I have the software, and I've used it to sequence. You can load in sounds, etc., and edit them. The sequencer software works okay but it is kind of limited - you make up tracks and chain them together into a song. Maybe I should say 'sequences' rather than tracks. Each sequence will only hold up to 200 notes, which makes for 4 measure sequences on the average. Controller info shortens that amount. I don't use the sequencer any more since I have Vision. I also use the S-550 hard disk O.S., so in order to use the Director-S software I'd have to do a 'change system' command, which is kind of a hassle. What I ended up doing was to get a Brother MDI-40 hardware sequencer, which will multitrack record. Then I can record everything from Vision into it and feed it to the S-550 . This combined with the hard disk O.S. gives me the fastest load time between songs. Of course I'm talking for live performance here; studio work would be less of a problem. Speaking of hard disks, I talked to Tone-Genics a few months ago. In the S550 review in Keyboard (or was it Electr. Musician), they said they had a removable drive interface for the S550. When I called them, though, they said they were just starting to design it, and they would contact me if it came together. It would be nice if they could get it going, hopefully it would use a faster interface than Roland's (30 sec./1.5 MB). So if anyone else is interested in something like this, call them and tell them to put you on the list. The more demand, the sooner they might come out with it. Peter D. -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 10 May 1991 15:17 EDT Subject: sample dample > >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) > > I honestly feel that the best approach would be to create a utility > that can be ported to MAC, PC, etc that would allow uploading and > downloading of MIDI sample dump with the Roland sampler. There is a detail > spec of this in the back of the Roland S-330 manual. My feeling is that it would be better if someone could write a program to simply read in a S-330 disk and create a disk image that could be sent through e-mail. Then have the user get the image down to their PC (or Mac or whatever) and then glom the image to a disk. Easy! :-) > Any takers? NO! gfd -- To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: sample dample Date: 10 May 91 17:25:43 EDT (Fri) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) >From uucp Fri May 10 17:06 EDT 1991 >>From andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+ Fri May 10 17:06:26 1991 remote from osu-cis >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com >To: Sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu >Date: 10 May 1991 15:17 EDT >Subject: sample dample > >> >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) >> >> I honestly feel that the best approach would be to create a utility >> that can be ported to MAC, PC, etc that would allow uploading and >> downloading of MIDI sample dump with the Roland sampler. There is a detail >> spec of this in the back of the Roland S-330 manual. > >My feeling is that it would be better if someone could write a program >to simply read in a S-330 disk and create a disk image that could be >sent through e-mail. Then have the user get the image down to their >PC (or Mac or whatever) and then glom the image to a disk. Easy! :-) > >> Any takers? > > >NO! > >gfd > The problem with disk format route is that it limits people to have a drive that can read/write that format. For example, I am still using a Mac Plus without a superdrive. I have no access to a PC with a 3.5 floppy disk. So if someone were to sent me a sample via e-mail after uuencoding it there would be nothing I could do with it since I would need to be able to write it back out to a Roland 3.5 disk format. Another downside, imagine I have this really cool sample I want to share with everyone. (Hey, it can happen!) With the disk format route I have no way of sending it over the net since I would need the utility to run a computer that supports that kind of drive which I don't have. In other words, the more transportable this thing is the greater the chance for getting more samples from different people. Unless someone wants to develop an RS-232 interface through the MIDI port on the Roland Sampler to allow the direct transfer of the contents of sample memory directly via a kermit a zmodem protocol transfer. (Just kidding about this last part. :-) ) Oh, I don't consider the time it might take 200 seconds (?) to transfer a sample via MIDI from the sampler to the computer a real problem. Especially, when you consider how slow turnaround time is with samples from George. (Just kidding again! He does a fine job.) David -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 11 May 1991 9:11 EDT Subject: hampered samples >> >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) >> >> I honestly feel that the best approach would be to create a utility >> that can be ported to MAC, PC, etc that would allow uploading and >> downloading of MIDI sample dump with the Roland sampler. There is a detail >> spec of this in the back of the Roland S-330 manual. > >My feeling is that it would be better if someone could write a program >to simply read in a S-330 disk and create a disk image that could be >sent through e-mail. Then have the user get the image down to their >PC (or Mac or whatever) and then glom the image to a disk. Easy! :-) > The problem with disk format route is that it limits people to have a > drive that can read/write that format. You misunderstood me. Also, anytime you have people using Mac's and IBM and Atari, etc, you're going to have some trouble with the format. But if you are sending around disk images, a disk image is a disk image and most computers nowadays have some way of handling floppy disk images. > For example, I am still using a > Mac Plus without a superdrive. I have no access to a PC with a 3.5 > floppy disk. So if someone were to sent me a sample via e-mail after > uuencoding it there would be nothing I could do with it since I would > need to be able to write it back out to a Roland 3.5 disk format. If anyone here has ever gotten the Mac system upgrades from ftp, you will be familiar ith the idea of getting disk images through the net and then actually getting them down onto disk. Anyway, I haven't researched this at all so I may be full of... well, you know. > Oh, I don't consider the time it might take 200 seconds (?) to transfer > a sample via MIDI from the sampler to the computer a real problem. > Especially, when you consider how slow turnaround time is with samples > from George. (Just kidding again! He does a fine job.) Let me see, I'll have to change my formula: Return_Disks = (get_mail) + wait_a_while + more delay. The new formula reads: if [ David_Roth ] then Return_Disks = (get_mail) + wait_a_while + more delay + WAIT_A_WEEK. else Return_Disks = (get_mail) + wait_a_while + more delay. "Get the, , GET THE PICTURE?!" -Studabaker Hawk, "Billy the Mountain", F. Zappa gfd -- >From: Thomas Flemming Date: Mon, 13 May 1991 13:31:29 +0200 To: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs There is a similar program for the Atari ST wich simply reads a whole diskette (for instance a S-50 disk) and saves it as a compressed file. If there ain't to many samples on the diskette this could easily be emailed (I can't FTP anything from Oslo). My computer, and also Macs with supra-drives, can run PC-emulators. So the best thing would be to find a similiar application for the IBM-PC! Thomas Flemming "It's better to play with a band than to play with yourself." -- Subject: Re: Roland disk transfer programs To: dat33228@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Derek A. Taubert) Date: Mon, 13 May 91 8:19:31 PDT >From: todd@appmag.com (Todd Day) %I'm rather interested in seeing us able to transfer disk through Internet, Hmmmm... I kinda forgot all about this. Haven't heard from anyone on this list, and it kinda slipped my mind. I did do some preliminary work in Windows on a PC. I like this approach since it is easy to create menus and display data. However, I'm sure this won't be satisfactory for most. So I was going to write it in such a way that the core routines will be easy to transfer to other machines. Then I was going to release the source code and let others develop it for other machines. Maybe I can do it this weekend. -- Todd Day | todd@appmag.com -- Date: Mon, 13 May 91 16:17:25 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Roland disk drives are total.. SHIT... I had a performance this past weekend so I was careful and made backup copies of the two performance disks. Well, right on schedule one of them goes bad... no problem, this time I had a backup, but should I make another backup?... nahhh... Well lightning struck twice and my backup goes bad....life sucks. I managed to get a decent load off the first damaged disk and resave it (and make a 4th backup while I was at it). Some of you might be familiar with a similar problem that struck me last year.....this time I don't need disks mailed to me (thanks again Pete :-) neil -- Date: Mon, 13 May 91 14:17:28 PDT >From: boutin@ncd.com (Paul Boutin) To: uunet!andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+@uunet.UU.NET Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Roland disk drives are total.. Neil, is it possible that you do something different as the performance approaches which causes the increased failure rate? Could it be that you notice the failures more before a performance? Of course it could just be Poisson processes, aka Bad Luck. Now I remember why I like playing bass :). Paul Boutin Network Computing Devices 1000 Escalon Ave #3116 350 North Bernardo Ave Sunnyvale CA 94086 Mountain View CA 94043 408 738 8463 415 691 2115 boutin@ncd.com boutin@mit.edu -- Date: Mon, 13 May 91 14:17:28 PDT >From: lupine!boutin@uunet.UU.NET (Paul Boutin) To: uunet!andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+@uunet.UU.NET Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Roland disk drives are total.. Neil, is it possible that you do something different as the performance approaches which causes the increased failure rate? Could it be that you notice the failures more before a performance? Of course it could just be Poisson processes, aka Bad Luck. Now I remember why I like playing bass :). Paul Boutin Network Computing Devices 1000 Escalon Ave #3116 350 North Bernardo Ave Sunnyvale CA 94086 Mountain View CA 94043 408 738 8463 415 691 2115 boutin@ncd.com boutin@mit.edu -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 14 May 1991 8:54 EDT Subject: Roland drives > Neil, is it possible that you do something different as the performance > approaches which causes the increased failure rate? Like using your S-50 as a picnic table during thunderstorms? Jamming wads of stale onion dip in the drive, are we? Using it as a step stool to reach your breakfast cereal in the morning? If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, I don't see why you're having any trouble... :-) Actually, I had a similar problem once. The problem was, I was using the really high density disks and the Roland drive apparently does not like them. Could this be it? George "DSDD" Demarest -- >From: wbf@cbema.att.com Date: Tue, 14 May 91 09:21 EDT To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Director-S > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > I have a question- Does anyone use the director S sequencer and what is it > like? I'm mainly just curious as I use Performer on the mac for my > sequencing. Can you load sounds in while the sequecing software is installed? > neil I use Director-S sequencing software on my S-550. Like drum machines, it is pattern based. You make short patterns and then describe a list of patterns to make a song. I use it because it allows me to run the live rig without a computer running sequencing software. One drawback is that each pattern is limited to 300 events. This had forced me to divide songs into 4 and many time 2 measure patterns whenever the orchestration and/or controllers get dense. Despite this, I've had great success with it. To use it, go into the disk menu and do a change system. You can still load and store sounds but you have to change system back for a sampling session. That's OK for me as sampling and sequencing sessions are usually separate events. Of course, you must stop everything else to load sounds or songs, then go back to sequence playing or creating. You can't do both at once a la Ensoniq EPS but you don't have to change system, either. Bill Fox cbema!wbf -- Date: Tue, 14 May 91 13:36:41 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: Roland disk drives are total.. >Neil, is it possible that you do something different as the performance >approaches which causes the increased failure rate? Could it be that you >notice the failures more before a performance? Of course it could just be >Poisson processes, aka Bad Luck. Actually, when I set up the confidence interval across a uniform distribution curve, I planned...... (yikes, thought I was done with statistics). Maybe I sweat more, and this gets into the drive? >Like using your S-50 as a picnic table during thunderstorms? Jamming >wads of stale onion dip in the drive, are we? Using it as a step stool >to reach your breakfast cereal in the morning? Hey, hey, hey, only two out of the three alright? Those couldn't possibly affect the drive, could they?!? Seriously, the drive must really damage the disks, 'cause when I bring them over to my mac and try to initialize them, it always fails... maybe it's time to invest in a good hard drive for the S50... neil -- Date: Tue, 21 May 91 02:53:25 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Fwd: Opinions...Roland W-30 ?? I got this on rec.music.synth, this person is not in the sgroup, direct all replies to him personally. neil ------------------------------ Forwarded message begins here: ------------------------------ X-Andrew-WideReply: netnews.rec.music.synth X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: via nntppoll with nntp; Mon, 20 May 91 21:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: andrew.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!pt.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!udel!wuarchive!zap hod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mintaka!spdcc!Cthulhu!raisch >From: raisch@Control.COM (Robert Raisch) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth Subject: Opinions...Roland W-30 ?? Message-ID: <1283@cthulhuControl.COM> Date: 20 May 91 22:55:33 GMT Distribution: rec Organization: Control Technology Corp., Hopkinton MA Lines: 10 Planning on buying one soon. Any pros or cons? I have heard it, and understand it. What I really would like to know is....is it worth $1695? Thanks /rr -- "I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti." -Lector -- Date: Tue, 21 May 1991 09:22:07 PDT >From: Donald_C._Tycholis.ES_AE@xerox.com Subject: Opinions...Roland W-30 ?? To: raisch@control.com Cc: Donald_C._Tycholis.ES_AE@xerox.com, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu, nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu My local Roland dealer is blowing out the S-550s for $1695. If you've got a keyboard and just want twice the sampler..... 8v) Don