From mailbox.syr.edu!naherzin Sat Oct 31 21:23:06 1992 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168419-2>; Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:23:06 -0500 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA10705; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:23:31 EST Received: by rodan.acs.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA03321; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:18:41 EST Message-Id: <9211010218.AA03321@rodan.acs.syr.edu> To: jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Subject: 1990 December Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:18:40 -0500 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R Date: Tue, 4 Dec 90 18:35:25 PST >From: email_addr@deleted (Mars) To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Anyone??? Anyone interested in TR727, TB303, Juno106 and breakbeats?? email_addr@deleted -- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 90 22:45:17 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: Anyone??? As samples? Sure, I am! neil -- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 90 22:50:23 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: New stuff... Well, about five people have joined in the last couple of weeks. Welcome guys! I wnated to make an update, since the welcome file is a little old. We have an established users library now, faithfully run by George Demarest. It is a physical library (no ftp, just snail mail), but I think all donations and transactions have come off pretty well. There are some simple rules to make George's life easier, and a library catalog. If anyone would like a copy of these just drop me a note. Or, if demand is high enough, I'll repost to the entire group. For the new members of the group, have you got questions? comments? gripes? Well, send them to the s-group, and we will cure all ails! (yeah, right). neil -- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 14:02:26 PST >From: email_addr@deleted (M C ) To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: 808 bass drum Is there anyway you could extend the boom of an 808 bass drum sample to get a long, loud decay? I've tried different kinds of loops with no success. Any advice or ideas? email_addr@deleted -- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 14:05:06 PST >From: email_addr@deleted (M C ) To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Looping Another question: What is the technique for successfully looping a sampled voice of an analog synthesizer. I tried looping between zero crossing of the sine wave but it still sounds pretty weak. Anybody have any experience doing this? email_addr@deleted -- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 90 18:09:17 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Allright for Keyboard! I just got my Jan '91 issue of Keyboard magazine. Although Roland has apparantly lost interest in the trivial pursuit of product support, Keyboard hasn't. They've printed a clinic on the S550/330 sampler. I haven't read it yet but they claim to cover Recording and Looping, Creating Subtones, Disk Tricks, and Drawing Waves. I'm sure some of this will help out the 50/10 owners as well. Speaking of drawing waves, does anyone have experience with the digitizer tablet? neil -- >From: att!ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca!KEELERJA%UREGINA1.bitnet@mtdca.att.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 18:06:09 EST Subject: Hello! To: Sgroup Hi; Just dropping a line to say hi to everyone on this list and maybe get an idea on what this list is all about. First of all, how many of you are there on this list? and secondly, is this group in any way affiliated with the Roland Corp? I don't know what else to say except that I hope to get more involved with this list once finals are over :) - which should be in a few days. Gotta go...Jason -- >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 14 Dec 1990 15:03 EST Subject: Roland Sampler for Sale Hey folks, I'm selling one of my Roland samplers. Roland S-330 (16 bit ADC, 12 bit internal, 16 DAC) 14.4 secs sample time at 30kHz 28.8 secs sample time at 15kHz 8 outputs and 1 mix output built in video display Bob has my manual. 1 rack space. disk drive. you know the one. $950. (split shipping) A nice thing about the Roland samplers is that you can go into any Roland dealer and copy their sample library for free. I'll include some sound disks as well. Give me a buzz or send mail. George Demarest Home (201) 757-4655 Work (until 12/31/90) (201) 957-6392 -- Date: Sat, 15 Dec 90 00:10:11 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: Hello! >>> First of all, how many of you are there on this list? and secondly, is this group in any way affiliated with the Roland Corp? >>> Well Jason, there are about 40 people signed up, but no ones feels like talking I guess :-) We don't have anything to do with the Roland empire, except use their stuff. Anybody read the S550 clinic article yet? neil -- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 23:27:50 -0800 >From: pdel@ads.com (Peter Delevoryas) To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Hello! Anybody read the S550 clinic article yet? neil Yeah, I did, kinda made a first pass over it for any new stuff I didn't know yet. Didja see about Tone-Genic's HD interface that'll let you use a 45 meg removable on the S550? Sounds good. I called them, buyt just got a maine. By the way, I also noticed that the CD-ROM OS supports multiple SCSI drives. Anyone have one they could let me beg,borrow, or buy? Or can I get it through my dealer? Peter D. -- >From: att!ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca!KEELERJA%UREGINA1.bitnet@mtdca.att.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 90 13:05:29 EST Subject: Re: Hello! To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Haven't read the article yet, I'm going to pick it up today. In case anyone is looking for good D-50 samples, PSL production's 10-disk set ($69US If I remember correctly) are very good. What I want, are some DXII samples; anyone know of a good source? c'mon ppl, let's get some conversation going! ...Jason -- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 22:43:03 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: Hello! Re: PSL D50 sounds Yeah, I agree, I have the set as well. Most of the sounds are quite nice. I was impressed with their Midi stack sounds as well, but only three sounds a disk and 6 disks for the same price as the D50 sounds didn't sound so good. neil -- >From: paul@ATHENA.MIT.EDU Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:18:25 -0500 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Does anyone have S-550 sound volumes 9 & 10? I asked this a few months ago, and no one I know has seen them yet. I'd like to shmooze a copy from anyone who has them. -Paul -- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:13:46 -0800 >From: pete%WLBR@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Pete Lyall) To: paul@athena.mit.edu, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Does anyone have S-550 sound volumes 9 & 10? Paul - Tell me what they're supposed to have on them... i.e. disk #'s, and contents (if you know it)... I may have them. Copied the whole set from the dealer, I believe. Pete -- >From: att!ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca!KEELERJA%UREGINA1.bitnet@mtdca.att.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 11:25:26 EST Subject: Samples To: S-group Hi; As I understand, to obtain access to the sample library, the "initiation fee" is a disk of my own samples. As a result, I intend to do some sampling this week and hopefully have the disk in the library within a couple of weeks. Now, to the subject at hand: I told a friend of mine about this group and he is real interested; unfortunately he doen't have an account in witch to belong to this group. Anyhow, he told me to come over and have a "sampling frienzy" at his house. Between him, and his partner, they have over 20 synthesizers! I was wanting to ask any of you if there were any particular types of samples that you wanted. I figured that I might as well put some samples in the library that people were interested in. A word of caution though: I'm a real sampling novice. I've been mainly relying on factory samples and don't have much sampling experience. Hopefully this Keyboard article will help. ttyl8r...Jason -- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 00:06:41 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: Samples This might be an obvious answer, but I really reccomend stacking those 20 synthesizers and then sampling. Of course this makes looping, et al more difficult, but sampling stacked synth sounds makes for powerful, economical samples. If you have trouble looping some, just take source samples, and maybe someone with some good editing software could have a go at it... neil -- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:56:17 PST >From: sjs@btr.com (Stephen J. Schow sjs@btr.com) To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Hello! I read the Keyboard S-550 clinic. It wasn't as good as I thought it would be. There were some helpful hints, but just little one liners. I was really hoping that they would pick 3-4 things and go into some heavy detail. For example, looping techniques, sequence disks, etc... I think I probably speak for all of us when I say that the Roland Manual totally sucks. It doesn't do the machine justice. To this day I have been looking for a third party How-to book on the S-550, but there are NONE! There are books out for practically every other Roland product, but not the S-550. later ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Schow | But you don't need to use the claw, if you pick the (415) 366-8778 | pear of the big paw paw....have I given you a clue? (415) 354-4992 | sjs@btr.com | - Baloo the Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 09:55 EST To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Subject: Re: Samples Happy holidays!! I thought I would repost some sample ideas I came up with for someone in dire need of inspiration. To your good health... (gulp, gulp, gulp...) gfd ============================================================================= > I need some ideas of stuff to sample so that I can trade for the HR-16 > samples and the R-8 samples and some of the other stuff I have been reading > about. But what can I sample that would be of interest. I have an M1 and a > DW-8000. Would synth samples be good for you all. How about some MIDI stack > samples? Here they are: 10 quick sampling ideas (beyond getting the M1 and DW-8000 sounds (I personally would love some of the classic DW-8000 brass, strings and clav-type sounds)) 1. Take a synth sound that will sustain. Jam the sustain pedal to get an infinite sound. Put your sampler 3 rooms away and run a garden hose from the speaker to the sampler room (where there is a mic). SAMPLE IT. 2. Get a coffee can (empty, half-full, half full with water, jello) close mic it, send output to a chorus, delay or gated reverb. Sample output of effect when you strike the plastic lid. 3. Get an old, old record player (with an indestructible stylus). Take output and put it into a guitar amp. Lift the needle 3 inches. DROP. Let bounce, scrape, kneed, cool on rack and add herbs. mic output of guitar amp. Works well with chipmunk records slowed down so you can tell that Alvin is played by Merv Griffin. SAMPLE IT. 4. Turn on your television to a basketball game. mic the TV speaker and attempt to isolate sneaker noise on gym floor. Put it through any effect you may have. Nike's seem to squeak a lot. 5. Play as many octaves and 5th of a single tone on both of your synths. Have both sustain indefinitely. Put the output speaker (good, or cheap) in your garage. Turn it up loud. Place the mic 10 feet from the speaker in a metal pail. SAMPLE IT. 6. Have a friend (preferably naked) in the next room. Put a mic very close the adjoining wall and have your friend hit the wall with various parts of his/her body. SAMPLE IT. 7. Borrow a portable cassette (a poor quality micro-cassette could be ideal) and close mic any sustained or percussive sound (motor running, fog horn, someone taking a hammer to a dead fish, etc). SAMPLE IT. 8. Take a synth and put it through a long reverb. Set the reverb so that its output is 100% effect (ie no original signal). Sample that. Short and long. 9. Take a wooden ruler, place it on a desk so that a good 8 inches hang off the edge, apply pressure downward on the part over the desk and with the other hand, pluck the other end (note: this was done with great effect on one of the Art of Noise albums. None the worse for already having been done). 10. Bring your sampler to work. Put a mic near the top of your desk. Pound on your desk with your fist until someone comes in and screams. Sample the fist AND the screams. 11. You get the idea. Zillions of sounds out there to be found, taken and used. Never discount the idea of using outboard effects as part of the sample itself. Sample in Peace, gfd -- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 1990 17:30:18 PST >From: DTycholis.ES_AE@xerox.com Subject: Re: Samples To: SGROUP+@andrew.cmu.edu Hi Jason, In response to your message: >I was wanting to ask any of you if there were any particular types of > samples that you wanted. Yes! I would especially like any analogue synths (esp. OBs) , any Korg M or T, D-70, or any PPG stuff. Basically, just sample notes of at least a second or two. Multisample at intervals of at least octaves, preferably 3rds or 4ths, without any LFOs or time-domain effects. It is tempting to sample with the synth's built-in reverb and EQ. EQ is fine, but better to set it a little bright to compensate for any hi-freq loss. Reverb sometimes pitch-shifts ok, sometimes not, so I tend to leave it out of the sample. You might want to try sampling with reverb and play it back to see if there is a noticable "jump" or change in reverb timbre between samples across the keyboard. All: comments (and builds on my opinions) are welcome.... Tycho -- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 1990 09:41:26 PST >From: Marcus_V._Hicks.Roch898@xerox.com Subject: Sample Suggestion To: SGROUP+@andrew.cmu.edu I'm very new to SGROUP but would like to share a sampling hint. Please keep in mind that I am a novice when it comes to sampling; and usually stick to the samples that are part of the Roland S-10 sound library. My synths/samplers are not interfaced to a computer so I have no way to download or upload any samples from a computer. However I would be willing to trade disks with anyone else who has an S-10. To make this sample I used an S-10, a Relatively cheap Realistic Mic, an Alesis Midiverb, water, and a wine glass. 1. Partially fill a wine glass with water(or your favorite bevrage) 2. Position your Mic approximately 1.5" above the rim of the glass 3.Add a very small amount of prgm 66 of the midiverb(chorus) to the output of the mic. 4. moisten your finger and rub it along the rim of the glass until you get a high pitched squealing sound. 5. Sample this sound The result was definitely not what I had expected but much more interesting. It creates an errie type sound that is very useful for layering with pianos,strings etc. Note: Loop is very difficult to achieve on the S-10. Later, Marcus MVH:roch898:xerox -- >From: att!ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca!KEELERJA%UREGINA1.bitnet@mtdca.att.com Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 20:07:04 EST Subject: Alternate software To: ATT!ANDREW.CMU.EDU!SGROUP+@MTDCA.ATT.COM I naturally assume all of you have read the Keyboard article by now.... Anyhow, I came accross this: "S-550 and S-330 owners can contact Tone Genics ..., a third-party developer of S-series hardware and software" I am an S-330 owner and would like to know if any of you have contacted this company to see what other software they have I am in dire need of software that copies tones along with patches (like the W-30 and S-50 (with new software) does) ...Jason -- To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Date: 21 Dec 90 16:52:47 EST (Fri) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Path: david >From: david@david.UUCP (David A. Roth) Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers Subject: Chromatic Tuner recommendation sought. Message-ID: <771@david.UUCP> Date: 21 Dec 90 21:47:32 GMT Reply-To: david@david.UUCP (David A. Roth) Distribution: world Organization: Columbus, Ohio Lines: 31 Xref: david rec.music.synth:7151 rec.music.makers:903 I am looking for a chromatic tuner. My main use is for tuning synths & samplers so they are in tune with each other. If they are ones with a digital read out I would like to know about them. If an 'A' is played at 440hz I would like the read out to show that an 'A' is being played at 440. If it's being played at 442 then it should display that as well. My reason is that not everyone tunes at 440 and I would want to be able to know where things are at to make adjustments. If the tuner can generate a couple of tones for reference to be recorded on a multi-track that would be nice too. Please reply by e-mail with your suggestions along with price of the unit. I assume most of these things work on batteries. Is there a top-of-the-line tuner? Thanks in advance! David ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _TT /| |~ >====ttt===< | O| |~ att!osu-cis!david!david \{_|||_\ \\| O| or n8emr!david!david David A. Roth uunet!abvax!osu-cis!david!david From CompuServ: send >internet:david@david.uucp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 31 Dec 1990 14:46 EST Subject: change in address Friends, I am leaving my current position and have switched to another mail account. As soon as I have the new one, I will make it known to you all. In the meantime this account should work fine. Happy new year. gfd P.S. All those currently waiting on disks. Theye will be on their way this week.