From mailbox.syr.edu!naherzin Sat Oct 31 21:12:46 1992 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168415-3>; Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:12:35 -0500 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA10599; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:13:28 EST Received: by rodan.acs.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA02759; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:08:41 EST Message-Id: <9211010208.AA02759@rodan.acs.syr.edu> To: jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Subject: 1990 September Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:08:40 -0500 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R >From: Thomas Flemming Date: Mon, 3 Sep 1990 12:29:06 +0200 To: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Mac to S-50 conversion >>Also if you are looking for 8bit sounds ,terminator.cc.umich.edu is loaded >>with megabytes of 8bit samples up to 40K-sampling rate. Try ftp from >>atari/sound/sounds/ or msdos/sound/. >> >>Thomas 'loopmaster' Flemminginginginging >> > >I'm confused or perhaps I missed something here. Why would anyone want >8-bit sounds on a Roland sampler (i.e.S-330/550, S-50) > >David Offcourse it's stupid to transfer for instance a noisy 8 bit snare drum, but if there's a rare vocal sample you're looking for like 'yeeaa booyee'! Then if you can only get it from terminator then why not. Some of the samples are sometimes even sampled in 30K (or even more) as ,well so the loss of bandwidt is'nt that bad. By the way does anyone have 'yeeaaa booyee' so i don't have to copy it from some 8bit source. 'Sample and copy everything!' Thomas L.M. Flemming -- >From: Thomas Flemming Date: Mon, 3 Sep 1990 12:32:24 +0200 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Roland disk format Todd, how's the disk-convert project going? Here's the table of data saved on disk from the W-30 owners manual, with my own notes on differences between W-30 and S-50. The table doesn't actually tell what information each byte contain, but can make it easier to find out wich order they appear. S-550,S-330 and W-30 disks are compatible so the differences between them should be minimal. Hope this can be any help. Thomas Flemming -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of data saved on an W-30 sound&song disk ...........System configuration.......... ...........Song data .................... sector parameter default ...........Patch-parameter...512 bytes on S-50, 256 on W-30....... 126 Patch name Space+0 Key mode Norm Key assign ROT Uni-detune 0 V-SW Tresh 64 V-Mix Ratio 0 Out-Level 127 Bend-Range 2 AT-Assign MOD At-Sense 0 Octave shift 0 Out assign Out 1 1st tone off 2nd tone off ..........Tone-parameter...128 bytes for S-50 and W-30.... 135 Tone-name 8xSpace+0 Orig.Tone not initalized (-- when deleted) Orig.key C5 P.Follow On P.Shift 0 Fine tune 0 P.LFO Depth 0 P.Bender On After touch On Out assign Out1 Out Level 127 Loop mode 1 shot Loop tune 0 [T1]-[T32] Start point [T1]-[T32] Loop point [T1]-[T32] End point [T33]-[T96] Start point This is W-30 ROM tones [T33]-[T96] Loop point [T33]-[T96] End point default 262143 LFO rate 88 LFO Sync On LFO mode Sin LFO Delay 0 LFO Offset 0 LFO Polarity + TVF Switch Off TVF cut off 127 TVF Resonance 0 TVF Key-follow 0 TVF LFO Depth 0 TVF EG depth 0 TVF L.curve 2 TVF EG Depth 0 TVF EG polarity + TVF Key rate 0 TVF Vel. Rate 0 TVF EG rate 1-8 127 TVF EG level1-2 127 TVF EG level3-8 0 TVF EG sus 2 TVF EG end 3 TVF Zoom 3 TVA LFO Depth. 0 TVA L.Curve 2 TVA Key rate 0 TVA Vel rate 0 TVA EG rate 1-8 127 TVA EG level1-2 127 TVA EG level3-8 0 TVA EG sus 2 TVA EG End 3 TVA zoom 3 ......Sample date....16 bytes each..same on S-50 and W-30......... 143 Tone-list or maybe some kind of directory Tone name 8xspace+0 Tone nr 0-1F Status 0 sample, 1 empty/available 5 unknown bytes 144-720 ...12bit waveform data............ -- >From: paul@ATHENA.MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 09:38:54 -0400 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: RE: 'yeeaaa boyee' I've got a PE disk which I'l be sending to Neil this week. 'yea boyeee' 'bass how low can you go' and some more. -Paul -- Subject: I'm going on vacation To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu (Roland Support Group) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 90 22:47:55 PDT >From: todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us (Todd Day) I'll be back on the 18th, so work on the sample converter will suffer til then. Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ucsbcsl!ivucsb!todd -- >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 12 Sep 1990 11:02 EDT Subject: Library Update and THE RULES! Well, my friends, THe library has been steadily growing to good effect. I have just about finished re-org'ing the drum lib. So far, here's what we have: 1 disk kicks 1 disk snares 1 disk toms 1 disk congas, bongos, timbales 1 disk cymbals and probably 2 disks of assorted percussion. samples include M3r drums, RX-5, R100, Alesis HR 16, assorted samples from different records, and soon to be the complete R8 library. Considering that there is a considerable of disks for drums, I am going to do a couple of "best of" disks. One for more electronic "hot" sounds, one for "realistic, acoustic sounding" stuff. I'll send word when these are done. Also, I just did a really nice trumpet sample: mellow and fuzzy. A little detuning and it was a really nice "electronic sounding" horn. Get into it. Peace and Sample, gfd P.S. Don Tycholis seems to have fallen off the end of the earth. Has anyone heard from Don? P.S. Please read the guidelines below carefully before you send out disks. Response so far has been fairly good, but some mix-ups have occured. No fun. ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 9/12/90) OK, here we go. Some very basic rules: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. For every disk of sounds you send, you'll get the original back (tweaked if necessary and time permitting) plus 2 disks filled. That is, if you send me one sound disk and 2 additional empty FORMATTED disks, you get 3 full disks back. A note on what type of samples you would like would help me choose. Otherwise, I'll send out a "best of" series. Limit 10 disks total. 4. I had originally thought of limiting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. Make a note that I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (201) 957-6392 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 11. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate. There really is a difference! 12. Send me e-mail describing what and when you are sending me. 13. Include a list of sounds that you have already gotten from me if applicable. 14. Please refrain from sending samples that you have bought from someone else. Not that I'm afraid of getting sued, more so that it's not fair to them. Do your own sampling! 15. Samples can be sent on DAT tape. I have DAT and an easy way of getting DAT data down to the samplers. Of course, don't send 60 minutes worth of samples on DAT, but if there is a stereo sample that you think is exceptional, send it on DAT. All tapes will be returned intact unless otherwise requested. 16. Samples must not be used to barter for Iraqi petroleum. ============================================================================== Sample List as of 9/12/90 Supplier Instrument Comments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ D. Tycholis Yamaha RX-5* drum machine (complete) Neil Kawai R-100* drum machine (complete) (Neil) R. Walter Alesis HR-16* drum machine gfd Oberheim Matrix 1000 analog synth (2 full disks). bass sounds, square wave lead, electronic percussion-type sounds (in a kit). Neil Roland D-50 pads (half a disk) gfd Korg M3r (1 disk; others soon) Bass, lead sound, Acoustic Basslayered with conga (very nice). gfd Korg M3r* drum sounds gfd Korg SG-1D sampled grand (1 disk) sampled by a friend. Very interesting stereo effect makes you seem like you're "inside" the piano. very nice. all Miscelaneous guitar shots, CD player fast forwarding, chordal vocal samples, DX rhodes sound, others. ********* new releases!! ************** D. Tycholis Assorted Basses bass-type samples from DX7, Steinberger T. Flemming stabs & effects some stereo, brass, orchestral shots. T. Flemming stabs & synths more stabs, korg synths, synth basses. T. Flemming assorted voices speech clips such as "Hit it!", "This is a Journey into Sound" and others. T. Flemming JB samples Assorted James Brown Owws, Yeahs and other-worldy noises. Includes some groove samples. D. Tycholis MC Hammer Samples of raw instrumentals of "U Can't Touch Dis" including some choice quotes. This package includes a sequence disk for the Mac Sequencer "performer" that strings the samples together for an S-550. gfd trumpet samples mellow trumpet sound multi-sample. Sampled in my studio. Also hard attack. *note: all drum samples mentioned above are contained in the drum library and are not maintained "by machine" but by instrument. Requests for "all the M3r drum samples" will be met with a helpless look. :-< ============================================================================ -- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:03:21 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: S770 Well as I'm sure some of you have noticed the S770 is reviewed in the latest issure of Keyboard magazine. The list price is $7,995! That's a pretty high end sampler, I hope their not going to discontinue the others. I haven't read the review yet, but after I do, I'll post a summary. neil -- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 90 14:16:02 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Prosonus SampleNet The following is reprinted from the pages of Septembers Keyboard magazine without any permission whatsoever... They're mad as hell and they ain't gonna take it any more. To battle against sample piracy and maintain a support network for registered customers-as well as to improve their own chances of survival-Prosomus has formed SampleNet, a cooperative organization that consists of Prosonus and its music dealers and customers. By becoming a full-fledged SampleNet member ($149.95), you gain access to the expanding Prodisk DDD library (a series of digitally recorded, processed, and transferred-thus DDD-ready to play samples and patches on 3.5" floppy disks formatted for all the popular samplers) and get two sets of Prodisk DDD sample disks, two special-edition Prodisds, the Prosonus Studio Reference Disc, a subscription to the ProSampler newsletter, discounts of up to 20% on all Prosonus products, and discounts of up to 40% on specific sampling hardware, such as blank 3.5" disks and 44Mv Syquest hard disk cartridges. Can't afford to be a full member? Perhaps you'd profer an Associate SampleNet Membership ($19.95), which provides full access to the Prodisk DDD library, two special-edition Prodisds, and a subscription to the ProSampler newsletter. Sounds pretty interesting. Anybody pursue it yet? The Associate price of $20 sounds like a great deal for full access to the disk library. I'm not sure what formats they are in, but they have to at least have S550 format. neil -- >From: att!andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+@mtdca.att.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 90 13:59:03 -0400 (EDT) To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Subject: Re: Library Update and THE RULES! Sounds like the library is getting pretty serious, good work George. I'd also like to thank all of you who are contributing to the library. Things are working out really nice. neil -- To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Hacker mode? Date: 12 Sep 90 23:43:57 EDT (Wed) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) A friend of mine as a favor to me used DART(tm) on the Mac to dump the entire contents of the Roland S-330 System Disk 2 Multi Patch (as labeled) Ver. 1.00 to a single file (over 700k). I then used the UNIX 'strings' utility to look through some of it. I found what I expected which was most of the text you see appear on the monitor while using the Roland S-330. I did see a reference made to "Hacker mode" which I have never heard of before or have any idea what it is or if we can access it. The following is an abstract of the 'strings' output on that file: --------------------------------- 4e N4 Loading 68t f&5& f$1$ f$1$4 4f8t Hacker mode Save UT Go Utility Ver # disp Tone map >> Save UT-SYS &d&( --------------------------------- Anyone have any ideas what this Hacker mode stuff is all about? I don't recall seeing the work Hacker used anywhere on the S-330 or the manual. Perhaps I missed something. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _TT /| |~ >====ttt===< | O| |~ att!osu-cis!david!david \{_|||_\ \\| O| or n8emr!david!david David A. Roth uunet!abvax!osu-cis!david!david From CompuServ: send >internet:david@david.uucp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 90 12:17:43 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Don T I received this message today: < I also have a message from Don Tycholis: From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: S770 This is a copy of the Keyboard Magazine overview column for the S770: Description: Rack-mount 16 bit stereo sampler with built in hard disk Memory: 2Mb standard, expandable to 16Mb, 40Mb internal hard drive Features: -24 voices, each with multimode digital filter -2 rate/level envelopes -LFO -Sample mix table -4 samples per partial with mixing from velocity and controllers -Mouse operation with output for video monitor -Resynthesis with choice of algorithms. -Sustain and release loops -Loop smoothing and gain normalization processes -Accepts MIDI sample dump Interfacing: (Front Panel) -Record level knobs (L/R) -Master volume knob -High-density 3-1/2" disk drive -Multi-pin jack for remote control -LCD contrast knob -1/4" head-phone jack -Footswitch input -L/R 1/4" sampling input jacks with sensitivity trim knobs and peak overload LED's (Back Panel) -Digital in and out jacks (RCA coaxial and optical, with a switch for choosing between them) -SCSI connector -RGB and monochrome monitor jacks -Three-pin balanced sampling input (L/R) jacks with three-way sensitivity switch (+4/-10/-50dBm) -L/R stereo outs plus six individual outs (all 1/4") -MIDI in/out/thru Dimensions: 17" (rack ears removable) x 17" x 5-5/8" Suggested retail price: $7,995.00 Pros: -Excellent graphic display -Built-in hard disk -Resonant digital multimode filters -Digital sampling inputs -Real-time parameter editing -Responds to poly aftertouch Cons: -No dynamic panning -No cut and paste editing of multiple samples -- To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: WANTED: Tin Whistle sample Date: 18 Sep 90 19:01:56 EDT (Tue) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) If anyone has a sample of a Tin Whistle please reply by e-mail. Thanks in advance. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _TT /| |~ >====ttt===< | O| |~ att!osu-cis!david!david \{_|||_\ \\| O| or n8emr!david!david David A. Roth uunet!abvax!osu-cis!david!david From CompuServ: send >internet:david@david.uucp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 18 Sep 1990 16:29 EDT Subject: NO MORE RULES!!! Well, The library is growing daily. So are the guidelines I have devised. I should mention that if anyone feels that any of my terms are inappropriate, drop me a line and we can discuss it. I think they're fair, but then I would, now wouldn't I?? :-) I will, however, refrain from sending out such large files from now on. I will simply drop a line now and then letting people know about exciting new additions to the library. The rule that I stress most in all of this is that you contact me before you put anything in the mail to me. When I know that someone will send me something, I will send a listing of the current library and the most revised version of the guidelines (I think GUIDLINES sounds much nicer than RULES, don't you? :-). Thus: I finally got the Alesis HR-16 samples from my friend. I am still working on the Roland R8 sounds: should happen within a couple of weeks. Also, as mentioned before, Don Tycholis is at present unable to send out messages from his machine. I spoke to him on the phone the other day and he assured me of existence. He also mentioned that someday, he will get around to doing those fabled guitar samples "if we beg". I might add that this is a perfect time to start a rumour that Don T. eats worms, since Don can't possibly defend himself... :-) Peace and Samples to all, George P.S. Neil, you may want to let me know whenever we add new members so that I can send them the sample sampler. -- Date: Wed, 19 Sep 90 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: NO MORE RULES!!! Sounds good George. I would like to update my list of sgroup members. For some of you I don't even have your last name. If everyone has the time, please email me (nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu) your full name, sampler owned, and maybe a geographic location (like Pittsburgh, PA or Paris, France). I will post the user list when I get all this info. Thanks much. neil p.s. (rumor) I heard that Don T. doesn't really have an S550, he uses the little $99 Casio SK-whatever, with 'S550' written in marker on the front of it... -- To: osu-cis!att!twitch!midi@cis.ohio-state.edu, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: ART MultiVerb causing loud hum in my S-330. Any suggestions? Date: 23 Sep 90 01:38:10 EDT (Sun) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) After tracing downing what is causing the hum from my Roland I found out that it was the ART MultiVerb. I have them sitting in the same rack with the MultiVerb on top of the S-330. Before I start tearing the rack apart and try moving things around is there anything else I can do? I tried plugging the MultiVerb into other outlets on the same circuit and it didn't make any difference. Is there some kind of metal sheet or something which can be placed between equipment in a rack causing other gear problems like this? What bugs me most is that before I placed everything in the rack I asked arounded if it make any difference where the equipment is placed in the rack and everyone told me it makes no difference. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. David ...att!osu-cis!david!david -- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 90 10:42:59 -0700 >From: pete%WLBR@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Pete Lyall) To: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu, osu-cis!att!twitch!midi@cis.ohio-state.edu, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: ART MultiVerb causing loud hum in my S-330. Any suggestions? Also - check on your 3 prong plugs. Ground loops are notorious hum producers, as are shielded (!) cables passing by power strips and those little DC tramsfromers. The best way to troubleshoot hum is to put on a set of headphones (run out of the mixer or amp) and start unplugging and disconnecting stuff until it becomes lesser or goes away. Hum can be the product of many problems. Also, don't underestimate the importance of GOOD cable - everywhere. I built all of my own using Belden and Switchcraft parts, but am now going to SoundFlex commercially produced cables ($ - ouch). Pete