From mailbox.syr.edu!naherzin Sat Oct 31 20:39:26 1992 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168408-2>; Sat, 31 Oct 1992 20:39:18 -0500 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA10354; Sat, 31 Oct 92 20:40:09 EST Received: by rodan.acs.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA01009; Sat, 31 Oct 92 20:35:23 EST Message-Id: <9211010135.AA01009@rodan.acs.syr.edu> To: jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Subject: 1990 May Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 20:35:22 -0500 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R Date: Tue, 1 May 90 16:00:41 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Sound library I guess the idea of just keeping a list of user sounds is better than keeping an actual library. I will volunteer to do it. So whoever is interested in trading user sample disks, post a list to the mailing list for all to see. I'll keep a seperate file and repost it ocassionally. Information to include: Format (S50 - S550 - etc...) description of contents surface address maybe a list of sounds desired >From there individuals can take it up with eachother. neil -- Date: Tue, 1 May 90 16:16:48 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: My sound list Here is my somewhat limited list of self-samples: Synth Tones: A selection of juno106 and JX10 samples Industrial: Lawnmowers, Doors, Broken lightbulbs Kawai R-100 drum machine: My machine all on one disk! Work Disks 1-6: Various samples from CD's, movies, guitars, odd and interesting things. This is my continually growing mainstay of sounds Glove Productions Sample Disk: A sampler from a third party distributer I have the catalog too. PSL Productions Sample Disk: A sampler for the D50 and MIDI stack sound sets Proteus 1-4: These are sounds from a sample tape of Proteus sounds that I bought, but since it's direct recordings from a Proteus, I don't think of it as illegal. I did spend a lot of time and effort on these samples though (getting all parameters, loops correct) so I'm going to be a little anal and offer them only for equal quality (what a butthead). This is also a continually growing group of sounds. I am interested in all kinds of samples but my favorites are: Percussion and Industrial sounds, Big synth sounds. But anything really...... If you are wondering about distance (mailing) I live in Pittsburgh, PA. Also all samples are in S50 format (guess I should of said that earlier). neil -- Date: Tue, 1 May 90 16:20:42 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Looping Does anybody have any helpful ideas on looping. I only have the built in software on the S50 and it seems pretty accurate, but I still have some problems. The auto loop is crap unless you have a perfect square wave sample. How about when to use forward loop as opposed to Alternating loop. Where to loop in a sample, etc.. I know the basics, and I can eventually get a decent loop, but I'd like to quicken the process if possible. neil -- >From: paul@ATHENA.MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 1 May 90 20:15:51 -0400 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: RE: Sound library S-550 disks I have: Fightin' Noises -- F-18, Harley, helicopter, tires, car crash, gunshots in pseudo-stereo EarthWind&Fire ChiliPeppers record snatches PublicEnemy (2) TechBeat -- A recollection from the S-550 library which sort of sounds like a late-model Miles Davis record (e.g. _Tutu_ or _Amandla_) Trio -- New Age trumpet, guitar, and piano designed for use with large reverb settings (e.g. Mark Isham's _Tibet_) I would prefer to just run off copies of these disks and mail them, in exchange for anything else anyone has which they deem interesting or $2/disk to cover materials and postage. Paul Boutin Educational Initiatives Project Athena Massachusetts Institute of Technology One Amherst Street E40-300 Cambridge MA 02139 -- >From: Thomas Flemming Date: Wed, 2 May 1990 12:42:20 +0200 To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Sound library Here`s my list of self-Samples: Format: W-30 or S-50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Analog-Synth: I've done a greay deal of knob-twitting on an old Korg MS-20 patch-synth.(It's acctually the same as Coldcut uses). Most of the tones have added filter-effects too. Classic-fav: Not just hit's but some loop'ed singing and effects. Dialog: "Music Please","5-4-3-2-1",etc.. lots of them are copied from a guy who works in a radio station, and some from a tape I got from a DJ. I was quite into this stuff a while ago.... W-30 Drumsets: W-30 drumsets with both rom and self-ampled sounds. Like a combined TR-808 set in 1.2 secs. and other in 0.4 secs.(handy). Art_of_Noise: Stereo hits and effects from CD's, among other self sampled stereo hits. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Terms: Send a list of what you got, and swap. Else ...hey you gotta have something to swap!! Surface Adr.: Thomas Flemming Gydasvei 74 . . 1413 TARNASEN NORWAY, (Europe) -- >From: paul@ATHENA.MIT.EDU Date: Wed, 2 May 90 23:44:17 -0400 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: S-770 info I've had the Roland User's Group mag for a week now and haven't seen any postings on the S-770, so I thought'd I toss out some specs: 24 voices 16-bit linear internal format 20-bit D/A playback via differential (not linear) interpolation process internal all-digital resampling (e.g. stacking of several voices onto one sample) the usual digital filters digital input/output jacks sampling rates to match DAT, CD stereo sampling and playback lower-than-usual-cost add-on memory up to 3 minutes total time mono full bandwidth 1:30 stereo maximum bandwidth familiar mouse and RGB screens line and XLR inputs floppy drive (yes it reads S-series floppies) internal 40mB drive loaded with sounds SCSI port Also new: Roland 500Mb optical disk drive yet another (total 3) CD of S-series sounds available for Roland CD read-only drive No word on cost, but "under $4000" was the word at NAMM last year (!) No word on Director-S software, but it would foolish not to provide it. -Paul ___________________________________________________________________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- SPECIAL NOTE: Some of you may not be aware that there is a compilation cassette of netpeople's music which I am putting out this summer for sale at cost. If you send me a regular audio cassette of some original music of yours, you can be on it too. Unfortunately I get a lot more redundant questions and unsolicited buffoonery than I do tapes, but if you lean toward the latter, you can mail a cassette and liner notes of your choice to: Paul Boutin Educational Initiatives Project Athena Massachusetts Institute of Technology One Amherst Street E40-300 Cambridge MA 02139 -- Date: Wed, 2 May 90 22:16:15 PDT >From: email_addr@deleted (M C) To: paul@athena.mit.edu, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: S-770 info This monster sounds very interesting but it's kind of expensive just for playing around with. Do you by any chance know how much the S330 is nowadays? Do you know any good place where you could get a good deal on mailorder? MC -- Date: Thu, 3 May 90 01:33:14 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: S-770 It sounds like Roland is getting in touch with moder technology and needs. This is the first keyboard of heard of with digital outs, and sample rates that match CD and DAT. I guess the industry is going to try and slowly convert to digital completely. Now I'm going to whine for a S770 to S50 converter! I wonder if Roland will continue our sound library. Speaking of that Paul, does the Users group mag list more than 8 volumes of disks for the S50? The last issue I have (from last year) lists 8. neil -- Date: Thu, 3 May 90 16:20:27 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: drum samples So who has an Alesis HR16 and/or HR16B that they want to sample for me? What drum machines do you other people have? neil -- >From: paul@ATHENA.MIT.EDU Date: Fri, 4 May 90 10:31:31 -0400 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: More on Roland disk drives > What drum machines do you other people have? S-550 with Director-S and a Quadraverb :-). But seriously, I wanted to add to my previous mailing that yes, the Roland 540M optical drive is for *removable* optical disks, so that's 540Mb *per disk*, so you can keep a couple of thousand complete edited setups in your purse and spill coffee on them, put them through the X-ray machine at the airport, leave them on top of the TV... Since Roland claims that the disk drive will also serve "as a central storage facility for a computer system", I suspect it's a generic SCSI floptical drive, and you could plug any of several third-party drives into the SCSI port on the S-770 instead. -Paul -- >From: paul@ATHENA.MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 8 May 90 04:24:50 -0400 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Looking for S550 disk sets #9 and #10 After waiting for months, I'm beginning to suspected that my dealer isn't ever going to get these sets. Has anyone seen them in the store? Grrr. -Paul -- >From: Thomas Flemming Date: Fri, 18 May 1990 15:52:30 +0200 To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: W-30 OS. The rumour say's a guy is making a new operating-system for the W-30 ,so it could be used with other hard-disks than Roland. Also there should be a memory-expansion board out soon from the same guy. If anyone has read any mail on the rec.music.synth about this could they please forward it to me? Is there any others on this group who owns a W-30 at all?, after all it's the only S-sampler that's still manufactured (besides the S-770 offcourse). Thomas Flemming -- Date: Mon, 21 May 90 14:55:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: S-library Things have always been fairly quiet with this board. I guess there isn't that much to talk about, but occasional interesting things. I try to post often, but I was away the last 10 days. Some people might be gone for the summer. There are plenty of people subscribed who have not posted at all. That's fine, but it just shows we have more of a 'readership' than a 'postship' (is that a new word?). What is 'Avalon' and what do you mean 'keep the group legal'? I only ask 'cause I don't understand what you mean. I have a partial list of peoples equipment, but I'm clueless on others. If everybody wants to send in their lists, I'll compile them. I haven't done anything about trading yet 'cause I've been away, but I'll probably contact some of you in the next few days. neil -- Date: Mon, 21 May 90 15:00:52 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: New S50 system Well, I have it, and it works. Supposidly it came out a year and a half ago, but the salesman wasn't sure 'cause he had a boot copy of it. It's called SYS-505 Library Converter. It converts S-550/330 sounds to S-50 format or vice versa. It copies all tone and patch data. If you want patches 11-28 from the 550/330, it will put the info onto two seperate disks. Speaking of legality, the program costs $40, but the salesman at my music store booted it for free. I was blown away, I haven't even bought anything from them recently. In this spirit, I will copy the program for any S-50 owners who so desire (or include it in trade). Now I've got to get my hands on all the S-550 disks I can. neil >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup@mtdca.att.com Date: 22 May 1990 9:09 EDT Subject: re: Re: S-library Messrs Essers: I'm probably going to regret this: but I just had a good experience exchanging samples with David Roth of this exhaulted list. The initial point was that David wanted to see the editing capabilities of Digidesign's Sound Tools (Sound Designer II) software. So he sent me a disc of fairly noisy Alesis 16B samples. I cleaned them up, EQ'd them and made them very usable (some even exciting). My current idea was not to offer to be a stockpiler of all samples, but to concentrate on drum samples. Whereas another person on the list may want to stockpile synth samples, another acoustic samples, another sound effects and so on. The way David and I worked it was that he sent me one disk with sounds, two blank (formatted) disks and return postage (stamped and addressed (Thank You David!)) and I cleaned up his samples and then filled the other 2 disks with samples that I had done. I had a good time doing it and got a few useful samples out of the deal and I will leave it to David to express whether he was satisfied. I am willing to do this again within a reasonable limit. I thought perhaps 3 empty discs for every disk of sounds that you send or some such thing. I personally would prefer non-Roland Library sounds (I think we all have access to the Roland series). I would like to hear samples from synths and drum machines, musique concrete sounds (washboards, waterheaters, smashed harpsichords and the like). I have done some samples from my M3r and Dx7 and some vocals stuff (I also have a good Darth Vader quote). I fully intend to do more. DON'T MAKE YOUR SAMPLER A SAMPLE PLAYBACK MACHINE! SAMPLE EVERYTHING!!!! I dunno, this could be a cool thing if all participants actively contributed. The idea of being a librarian doesn't excite me. But the prospect of getting interesting samples in return for the work makes it bearable. The return postage deal is a must (it made it a lot easier for me). The formatting is also essential. Like all of you, I do not have time to burn. Anyway, post your thoughts while I'm still considering this... All in favor say Aye! George P.S. Neil, could you post the number of Sgroup users currently on line? I'd like to see what I'm in for... -- Date: Wed, 23 May 90 12:19:24 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Sgroup membership As per George's request, here is the Sgroup membership list: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu, bill@attunix.att.com, Larry DeLuca , Eric S. Crawley , mpc@cblpf.att.com (Michael P. Core), DTycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.COM, britt@ucrmath.ucr.edu, bdr@opus.cray.com, david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth), Gary Murakami , gfd@mtdca.att.com (George Demarest), ckt%ukc.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK, paul@ATHENA.MIT.EDU, schiff@teak.berkeley.edu, rc2f+@andrew.cmu.edu, palmer@freezer.it.udel.edu, patmc@apollo.com, pete%WLBR@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Pete Lyall), Thomas Fleming , wiren@eva.slu.se, rich@boogie.EBay.Sun.COM (Richard Koch), email_addr@deleted (M C), att!cbema!wbf@cis.ohio-state.edu 23 people. neil -- Date: Wed, 23 May 90 12:31:04 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: S-library Well it sounds like a good idea to me. I'm not sure if you mean to run all the samples through Sound Tools so that the library of drum sounds you keep is modified. If that's what you mean, it sounds great. I probably have a few disks you would be interested in. neil -- >From: Thomas Flemming Date: Wed, 23 May 1990 19:26:59 +0200 To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: max-filter I guess U all have tried this, but anyway here's a way to get the max effect out of the digital filter to make it sound almost as an analog synth(acieed). Set all the other parameter's on default, and use any kind of synth sample you got. Please give me any comment's if you try it. Thomas Flemming ---------cut here---------------------------------------------------------- TVF Switch ON L.Curve 2 Cut-off 0 EG Depth 127 Resonance 90 EG Pol. + Key Follow 63 Key-rate 0 LFO Depth 0 Vel-rate 0 Rate 110 73 110 127 127 Level 127 127 0 0 0 Sus 2 End 3 -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup@mtdca.att.com Date: 23 May 1990 14:31 EDT Subject: S-library I'm going to go for it. As I said, I may regret it but, you only sample once... OK, here we go. Some very basic rules: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. For every disk of sounds you send, you'll get the original back (tweaked if necessary and time permitting) plus 2 disks filled. That is, if you send me one sound disk and 2 additional empty FORMATTED disks, you get 3 full disks back. A note on what type of samples you would like would help me choose. Otherwise, I'll send out a "best of" series. Limit 10 disks total. 4. I had originally thought of limitting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. Make a note that I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (201) 957-6392 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. You may fire when ready: but read the above again before you do. I intend to have fun with this, but with over 20 members, it could get hairy and I don't have time to waste. It's really an easy deal and could get each of us some good stuff. Get into it... George -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup@mtdca.att.com Date: 24 May 1990 14:36 EDT Subject: anna one morah tinga A few more quick thoughts as per my last mail. 1. (oh, I just love to number things...) If you intend to send some disks to me, it would be a good idea to send me some e-mail the day you send them out. I don't want there to be any confusion and I want to have an idea of how much stuff is heading my way. 2. For those of you who are panicking trying to think of what to sample, sample your drum machine, synth, sax, baby crying, guitar power chord, whatever. There's no hurt in trying. I've had some decent luck with my Korg M3r and sampling from another synth couldn't be easier. 3. Sample editing. The tweaking I mentioned in my last mail consists of level maximization of samples, eq'ing things deeper, brighter, minimizing hums and noise, Trimming away leading and trailing noise. removing pops (when possible). For samples you send in, I'm open to suggestions if you have the mind to. So, when you get your original disks back, you will notice that the samples are louder, cleaner, brighter (where appropriate), deeper (where appropriate) and perhaps shorter. I've had samples that decayed into the noise floor that I was able to fade out pretty well. Actually, the fade-out, fade-in features are among the most useful of Sound Designer. Anyway, send in those samples. George Demarest 110 East Fairview avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (201) 957-6392 -- Date: Fri, 25 May 90 14:46:17 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: anna one morah tinga The first thing I ever sampled into my S50 was my lawnmower. Is that good enough for you George? :-) I will be sending you some stuff (about 6 or 7 disks) next week, probably monday or tuesday. neil -- Date: Fri, 25 May 90 15:03:34 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Members Sound Lists This is a collection of all sound lists I have received so far: >From Neil Herzinger - nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Synth Tones: A selection of juno106 and JX10 samples Industrial: Lawnmowers, Doors, Broken lightbulbs Kawai R-100 drum machine: My machine all on one disk! Work Disks 1-6: Various samples from CD's, movies, guitars, odd and interesting things. This is my continually growing mainstay of sounds Glove Productions Sample Disk: A sampler from a third party distributer I have the catalog too. PSL Productions Sample Disk: A sampler for the D50 and MIDI stack sound sets Proteus 1-4: These are sounds from a sample tape of Proteus sounds that I bought, but since it's direct recordings from a Proteus, I don't think of it as illegal. I did spend a lot of time and effort on these samples though (getting all parameters, loops correct) so I'm going to be a little anal and offer them only for equal quality (what a butthead). This is also a continually growing group of sounds. I am interested in all kinds of samples but my favorites are: Percussion and Industrial sounds, Big synth sounds. But anything really...... If you are wondering about distance (mailing) I live in Pittsburgh, PA. Also all samples are in S50 format (guess I should of said that earlier). >From Paul Boutin - paul@ATHENA.MIT.EDU S-550 disks I have: Fightin' Noises -- F-18, Harley, helicopter, tires, car crash, gunshots in pseudo-stereo EarthWind&Fire ChiliPeppers record snatches PublicEnemy (2) TechBeat -- A recollection from the S-550 library which sort of sounds like a late-model Miles Davis record (e.g. _Tutu_ or _Amandla_) Trio -- New Age trumpet, guitar, and piano designed for use with large reverb settings (e.g. Mark Isham's _Tibet_) I would prefer to just run off copies of these disks and mail them, in exchange for anything else anyone has which they deem interesting or $2/disk to cover materials and postage. >From Thomas Flemming - Thomas Flemming Here`s my list of self-Samples: Format: W-30 or S-50 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Analog-Synth: I've done a greay deal of knob-twitting on an old Korg MS-20 patch-synth.(It's acctually the same as Coldcut uses). Most of the tones have added filter-effects too. Classic-fav: Not just hit's but some loop'ed singing and effects. Dialog: "Music Please","5-4-3-2-1",etc.. lots of them are copied from a guy who works in a radio station, and some from a tape I got from a DJ. I was quite into this stuff a while ago.... W-30 Drumsets: W-30 drumsets with both rom and self-ampled sounds. Like a combined TR-808 set in 1.2 secs. and other in 0.4 secs.(handy). Art_of_Noise: Stereo hits and effects from CD's, among other self sampled stereo hits. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Terms: Send a list of what you got, and swap. Else ...hey you gotta have something to swap!! That's all I've got so far. Send you list to me: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu or to the sgroup. neil -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup@mtdca.att.com Date: 25 May 1990 16:28 EDT Subject: sample hoards ----------------- begin edited forwarded message ---------------- The first thing I ever sampled into my S50 was my lawnmower. Is that good enough for you George? :-) I will be sending you some stuff (about 6 or 7 disks) next week, probably monday or tuesday. neil -------------------- end of forwarded message -------------------- Group, I didn't mean for my mail to take on a snobbish tone to it. The fact is, I have extremely little time and I'm not particularly interested in being a sample service. I would like to hear what other's are doing with their instruments. And this is a good way. Like most of you, I'm not a hobbyist. Getting a letter saying "here's 50 disks, give me all the cool sounds you have" is not what I have in mind. No, if I were charging $$ for it... :-) But I ain 't. So, do your work, I'll do mine and we'll both (all) benefit. gfd P.S. neil. it's one o'clock and time for lunch. bumty dumpty dum... send me you grass clippings or whatever. -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!arpa!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup@mtdca.att.com Date: 29 May 1990 9:27 EDT Subject: sample list for gfd Here's what I have currently... (I just got a Matrix 1000 so this list will expand soon) Synth - M3r "Slap Clav" and others, Dx-7 rhodes, Matrix 1000 assorted analog type. Drums - stolen toms, snare from Japan's "Tin Drum" album. I've also revamped a lot of the S-series drums. some sampled acoustic drums. Alesis 16b samples. Effects - fast forward CD, a couple of quotes, some vocal effects. some guitar chords. -- Date: Tue, 29 May 90 12:34:09 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Old posts If anyone is interested I have some old reviews that several of you may have missed. I have two third party reviews, for Glove productions and PSL productions. Both of these companies advertise in the back of Keyboard magazine. I could also compile a list of all third party sound manufacturers that I know of. I would be happy to do this, but would like to see if there is any interest before I do the work. neil -- Date: 29 May 90 16:26:20 PDT (Tuesday) Subject: RX-5 Samples Available Soon >From: DTycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.COM To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.EDU Cc: DTycholis.LAX1B@Xerox.COM Hi George, Well, I burned off some of this last weekend sampling my Yamaha RX-5 drum machine, and will be sending you the 3 disks (I forgot there were so many sounds in there!) this week. These are just tones; no patch parameters, but played back over my monitoring system sound almost exactly like the RX-5 so I'm happy to offer them. Thanks for doing this service...I hope you and the others like the sounds. Don