From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Sep 2 12:10:15 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14958 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:10:15 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409021610.MAA14958@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from o6.hostbaby.com (o6.hostbaby.com [208.187.29.124]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14954 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:10:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 94498 invoked by uid 1698); 2 Sep 2004 16:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.107?) (66.134.174.132) by o6.hostbaby.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 16:10:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: criara%criara.com@www.criara.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:09:45 -0400 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Frank Ferrucci Subject: sgroup s760 plus For sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I'm selling one of my 2 s760s: 32mb RAM, Optical card, DA-400 converter, RC100 remote, manuals. I'll include a 1gb scsi Roland OS 2.24 formatted drive and cable if you'd like. Used in studio only. $500. Offering to sgroup before going to ebay. Frank -- Frank Ferrucci Leenalisa Music, Inc. 220 West 19 Street 6th Floor New York, NY 10011 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Sep 2 17:42:57 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28960 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:57 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409022142.RAA28960@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [69.90.72.228]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28956 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:56 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i82LgxvB084974 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:43:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i82Lgwrm047180 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:42:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22537 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:10:30 -0400 Received: from pool-68-237-124-61.ny325.east.verizon.net ([68.237.124.61] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1C2wyb-0003Ig-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:10:29 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:11:59 -0400 Subject: sgroup jazz drive storgage From: Stephen Tubin To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Hi, I use 2 s760 samplers hooked up to 1 gig jazz drives. As of late, many of my disks have become useless. The sampler won't read them and now i can't even write onto my existing disks. i have lost so many samples it's heart breaking. Is there any way to retrive the information on these now unreadable disks, and is there a better way to save stuff besides the jazz drives that i'm using. It has turned into a disaster for me. thanks, Steve Tubin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Sep 3 07:17:40 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30854 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:17:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:17:40 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409031117.HAA30854@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from ctb-mesg6.saix.net (ctb-mesg6.saix.net [196.25.240.78]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30850 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:17:37 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (rndf-147-107.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.147.107]) by ctb-mesg6.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6095AB795 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:17:28 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.tiscali.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:17:41 +0200 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storgage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; > I use 2 s760 samplers hooked up to 1 gig jazz drives. As of late, many of >my disks have become useless. The sampler won't read them and now i can't >even write onto my existing disks. i have lost so many samples it's heart >breaking. Is there any way to retrive the information on these now >unreadable disks, and is there a better way to save stuff besides the jazz >drives that i'm using. It has turned into a disaster for me. Iomega Jaz drives turned out to be the Bad Buy Of The Decade. They suffer from the now infamous "click of death" - if you hear that, your disc will soon pass on to drive heaven (or more likely, hell in this case). If you still have any data on working disks, I advise you to make a copy onto your PC or Mac for safekeeping. On Mac, you can use Toast and use drive copy or SCSI copy, whichever is appropriate for your system. Not sue about PC..... I use Zip disks, which involves more disks but fewer problems - only 1 dead disk out of 20 so far. You could consider getting a small hard drive per sampler, bearing in mind there is a limit to the amount of data that the S760 can "see". (Someone check me on this.....was it 800 Mb?) Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Sep 3 09:27:20 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03882 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:27:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:27:20 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409031327.JAA03882@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from web13924.mail.yahoo.com (web13924.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.176.49]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03878 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:27:18 -0400 Message-ID: <20040903132728.199.qmail@web13924.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.226.40] by web13924.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 06:27:28 PDT Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:27:28 -0700 (PDT) From: declan halpin Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storgage To: Colin Shapiro , sgroup@sgroup.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Is it possible to exchange the S-760's floppy for an internal Zip? And would that mean wasting one whole Zip disc for the Roland OS - or could you put the OS on a Zip with samples as well? I ask only because I have a spare internal Zip kicking around here somewhere.... -declan --- Colin Shapiro wrote: > > > I use 2 s760 samplers hooked up to 1 gig jazz > drives. As of late, many of > >my disks have become useless. The sampler won't > read them and now i can't > >even write onto my existing disks. i have lost so > many samples it's heart > >breaking. Is there any way to retrive the > information on these now > >unreadable disks, and is there a better way to save > stuff besides the jazz > >drives that i'm using. It has turned into a > disaster for me. > > Iomega Jaz drives turned out to be the Bad Buy Of > The Decade. > They suffer from the now infamous "click of death" - > if you hear > that, your disc will soon pass on to drive heaven > (or more likely, > hell in this case). > If you still have any data on working disks, I > advise you to make a > copy onto your PC or Mac for safekeeping. On Mac, > you can use Toast > and use drive copy or SCSI copy, whichever is > appropriate for your > system. Not sue about PC..... > > I use Zip disks, which involves more disks but fewer > problems - only > 1 dead disk out of 20 so far. You could consider > getting a small hard > drive per sampler, bearing in mind there is a limit > to the amount of > data that the S760 can "see". (Someone check me on > this.....was it > 800 Mb?) > > Regards - Colin > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to > majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for > more information. > ===== www.declanhalpin.com * Online Gallery * News * Links * _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Sep 3 09:31:28 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04064 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:31:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:31:28 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409031331.JAA04064@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from ctb-mesg6.saix.net (ctb-mesg6.saix.net [196.25.240.78]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04060 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:31:27 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.5] (rndf-147-107.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.147.107]) by ctb-mesg6.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F7D2C02AD for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:31:25 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.tiscali.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040903132728.199.qmail@web13924.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903132728.199.qmail@web13924.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:31:37 +0200 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storgage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; >Is it possible to exchange the S-760's floppy for an >internal Zip? And would that mean wasting one whole >Zip disc for the Roland OS - or could you put the OS >on a Zip with samples as well? I have the system on every one of my Zip disks - so that I can boot with whichever disk I need. Just go to menu and Can't help with the internal drive story..... Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Sep 3 11:51:35 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09874 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:51:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:51:35 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409031551.LAA09874@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mxsf21.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf21.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.221]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09870 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:51:29 -0400 Received: from mxip13.cluster1.charter.net (mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.143]) by mxsf21.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i83Fp0B7007173 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:51:00 -0400 Received: from c68.112.126.102.stc.mn.charter.com (HELO cb56611-h.chickensys.com) (68.112.126.102) by mxip13.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 03 Sep 2004 11:51:00 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.84,129,1091419200"; d="scan'208"; a="268662471:sNHT12280128" Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040903104100.0356b740@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:42:08 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Garth Hjelte Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storgage In-Reply-To: <20040903132728.199.qmail@web13924.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 06:27 AM 9/3/04 -0700, you wrote: >Is it possible to exchange the S-760's floppy for an >internal Zip? And would that mean wasting one whole >Zip disc for the Roland OS - or could you put the OS >on a Zip with samples as well? > >I ask only because I have a spare internal Zip kicking >around here somewhere.... Not sure, but you should be able to. If there is an internal SCSI jack, then it's easy. The floppy power will power the Zip. If there is no internal jack, you'll have to rig a pass around cable. Garth Hjelte Sampler User - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Sep 4 08:03:11 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27614 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:03:11 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409041203.IAA27614@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay2.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay2.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.76]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27610 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:03:07 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust51.tnt9.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.118.51]) by dhuumrelay2.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i84C2MQX000759; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:02:28 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:02:11 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storgage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: Garth Hjelte From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040903104100.0356b740@mail.chickensys.com> Message-Id: <40EE06A0-FE6A-11D8-A1F3-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Freitag, 03.09.04 um 17:42 Uhr schrieb Garth Hjelte: > >> Is it possible to exchange the S-760's floppy for an >> internal Zip? And would that mean wasting one whole >> Zip disc for the Roland OS - or could you put the OS >> on a Zip with samples as well? >> >> I ask only because I have a spare internal Zip kicking >> around here somewhere.... > > Not sure, but you should be able to. If there is an internal SCSI > jack, then it's easy. The floppy power will power the Zip. If there is > no internal jack, you'll have to rig a pass around cable. > I think someone reported here on this list that the S-760 doesn't boot up if the floppy drive is disconnected. Never tried this myself. Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Sep 5 09:04:40 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25476 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:04:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:04:40 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409051304.JAA25476@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.203]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25472 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:04:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ppp198-45.lns1.syd2.internode.on.net [203.122.198.45]) by smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i85D4LHY076646 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:34:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 23:04:34 +1000 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storgage Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40EE06A0-FE6A-11D8-A1F3-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> References: <40EE06A0-FE6A-11D8-A1F3-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Ingo Debus wrote: > >> Is it possible to exchange the S-760's floppy for an > >> internal Zip? And would that mean wasting one whole > >> Zip disc for the Roland OS - or could you put the OS > >> on a Zip with samples as well? > >> > >> I ask only because I have a spare internal Zip kicking > >> around here somewhere.... > > > > Not sure, but you should be able to. If there is an internal SCSI > > jack, then it's easy. The floppy power will power the Zip. If there is > > no internal jack, you'll have to rig a pass around cable. > > > > I think someone reported here on this list that the S-760 doesn't boot > up if the floppy drive is disconnected. Never tried this myself. > > Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah - it should all be in the list's archives. I remember (but am too lazy to search my own archive) someone describing their experiences a while ago. The upshot was, there is no internal SCSI connector, they had to rig a pass around cable, and yes I recall the floppy drive had to stay connected. I can't remember if they just left the floppy drive hanging out the back, or left it loose inside. If my memory serves me correctly (from when I installed the OP-1 upgrade), there's a fair amount of empty space inside the S-760. In any case, it was the Zip drives that tended to suffer from the click of death. The Jaz drives had other problems, though I never experienced any with mine. But I did treat them VERY carefully. I now use a bunch of 500 MB and and 1GB hard drives. The space limit is either 600 MB or 650 MB (I can't remember which, but it's definitely not as big as 80 MB). As for the S-760 OS on Zip disks, you may as well put it on all of your Zip disks, because I recall the format of data on the disks reserves the space for the OS, regardless of whether one is there or not (the format is slightly different for floppies, since they are obviously much more space limited). Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Sep 9 10:15:37 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10519 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:15:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:15:37 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409091415.KAA10519@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [69.90.72.228]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10515 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:15:35 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i89EFavB021373 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:15:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i89EFWsb093232 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:15:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mx.banetele.com (mx.banetele.com [194.19.2.12]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29947 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 03:44:10 -0400 Received: from [195.204.47.194] (HELO exchange1.lan.musikk.no) by mx.banetele.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2) with ESMTP id 94450137 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:44:11 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([192.168.1.6]) by exchange1.lan.musikk.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:47:03 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8D052266-016A-11D9-86B1-000A95CA2CC8@notam02.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Terje Winther Subject: sgroup S550 - S50 conversion Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:41:52 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 07:47:03.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[07D6D370:01C49578] Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Hello everyone, I=B4m new here, and an owner of a Roland S-550 sampler. I have some S-50=20= disk around that I really would like to convert to the S-550, and found=20= the S550-S50 conversion disk on the web site. However, I cannot seem to=20= get it to work. Whatever I do, I get an error message telling me to=20 "please insert S-550 system disk". So, is the "S550-S50 conversion disk" intenden to transfer TO or FROM=20 the S-550? I tried searching the web, and FAQ on the list site, but didn=B4t find a=20= solution to this. Any help appreciated. Terje Winther terjewi@notam02.no http://www.notam02.no/~terjewi/synthesizer/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Sep 9 12:13:30 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15545 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:13:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:13:30 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409091613.MAA15545@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from goliath.cnchost.com (goliath.cnchost.com [207.155.252.47]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15541 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:13:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.59] (rrcs-nyc-24-213-162-129.biz.rr.com [24.213.162.129] (may be forged)) by goliath.cnchost.com id MAA22773; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:13:25 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <8D052266-016A-11D9-86B1-000A95CA2CC8@notam02.no> References: <8D052266-016A-11D9-86B1-000A95CA2CC8@notam02.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <2BBD01A8-027B-11D9-9E7B-0003934507D6@skeletonhome.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: sgroup S550 - S50 conversion Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:13:22 -0400 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; sorry terje, thought i replied to the list but it went straight to=20 you... here it is again for everyone.... hmmm.. i'll have to check my manual, but i thought that the s550 could do a "convert-load" of s50 disks, on the utility page? it's been so long since i used my s550 i just don't recall.... i'm sure someone else will chime in with the specifics. if not, contact me off-list and i will try and dig it up this weekend. best bruce On Sep 8, 2004, at 3:41 AM, Terje Winther wrote: > > Hello everyone, > I=B4m new here, and an owner of a Roland S-550 sampler. I have some = S-50=20 > disk around that I really would like to convert to the S-550, and=20 > found the S550-S50 conversion disk on the web site. However, I cannot=20= > seem to get it to work. Whatever I do, I get an error message telling=20= > me to "please insert S-550 system disk". > So, is the "S550-S50 conversion disk" intenden to transfer TO or FROM=20= > the S-550? > I tried searching the web, and FAQ on the list site, but didn=B4t find = a=20 > solution to this. > Any help appreciated. > > Terje Winther > terjewi@notam02.no > http://www.notam02.no/~terjewi/synthesizer/ > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Sep 21 09:29:51 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26246 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:29:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:29:51 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409211329.JAA26246@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26242 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:29:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 2060 invoked by uid 65534); 21 Sep 2004 13:29:18 -0000 Received: from dsl-80-242-241-24.quicknet.nl (HELO u3y4k0) (80.242.241.24) by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 15:29:18 +0200 X-Authenticated: #566185 Message-ID: <003e01c49fdf$8817c8c0$6501a8c0@u3y4k0> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: References: <40EE06A0-FE6A-11D8-A1F3-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Subject: sgroup jazz drive storage Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:33:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I am getting a bit confused here, I am storing different volumes (drum kits ) on my Jazz drive. I keep getting a messagge same name found, it does not refer to the name of the volume but apparently to the actual sample. Does the S750 scan all the volumes present on a drive before writing and check for identical names ? I can choose to overwrite but that is not what I want cause they are different samples. And there are many samples with the same name, for the time i will spread my drumvolumes over different disks but I would like to now what is going on. Sjaak --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 13-9-04 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Sep 21 09:32:59 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26393 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:32:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:32:59 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409211332.JAA26393@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26389 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:32:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 12328 invoked by uid 65534); 21 Sep 2004 13:32:28 -0000 Received: from dsl-80-242-241-24.quicknet.nl (HELO u3y4k0) (80.242.241.24) by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 15:32:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #566185 Message-ID: <005101c49fdf$f932dcc0$6501a8c0@u3y4k0> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: Subject: sgroup Re: jazz drive storage Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:36:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; erm, I meant ZIP drive, not that it makes any difference for the question but it is a ZIP drive....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Sjaak de Vos To: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:33 PM Subject: jazz drive storage > I am getting a bit confused here, I am storing different volumes (drum > kits ) on my Jazz drive. > > I keep getting a messagge same name found, it does not refer to the name of > the volume but apparently to the actual sample. > > Does the S750 scan all the volumes present on a drive before writing and > check for identical names ? > I can choose to overwrite but that is not what I want cause they are > different samples. > > And there are many samples with the same name, for the time i will spread my > drumvolumes over different disks but I would like to now what is going on. > > Sjaak > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 13-9-04 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Sep 21 10:24:34 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28616 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:24:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:24:34 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409211424.KAA28616@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca (smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca [192.197.186.122]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28612 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:24:34 -0400 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:18:09 -0400 Message-ID: To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: RE: sgroup jazz drive storage Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:16:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; If it's the same as the 760, then I believe you are right, it will not allow the same name for a sample within the same volume. You must first save the new sample with a different name and then as part of the patch. The message is how the system alerts you that you are about to change a sample that may be part of a different patch, and overwriting it would also change any other patch that may use the sample. -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca]On Behalf Of Sjaak de Vos Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:33 AM To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: sgroup jazz drive storage I am getting a bit confused here, I am storing different volumes (drum kits ) on my Jazz drive. I keep getting a messagge same name found, it does not refer to the name of the volume but apparently to the actual sample. Does the S750 scan all the volumes present on a drive before writing and check for identical names ? I can choose to overwrite but that is not what I want cause they are different samples. And there are many samples with the same name, for the time i will spread my drumvolumes over different disks but I would like to now what is going on. Sjaak --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 13-9-04 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Sep 21 14:40:47 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06924 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:40:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:40:47 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409211840.OAA06924@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06920 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:40:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 5203 invoked by uid 65534); 21 Sep 2004 18:40:17 -0000 Received: from dsl-80-242-241-24.quicknet.nl (HELO u3y4k0) (80.242.241.24) by mail.gmx.net (mp020) with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 20:40:17 +0200 X-Authenticated: #566185 Message-ID: <003601c4a00a$f9c3eaa0$6401a8c0@u3y4k0> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storage Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:44:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; The 750 is about the same as the 760 afaik. But its not stored in the same volume, just on the same disk. I remember reading it checks sample names in the same volume, but I want to create a complete new volume. And then I get this message, thats what confuses me. I will do a test later on and try to discover what happens to the samples in the other volume with the same name. but since they are drum kits that is a bit confusing, but I will try to find out. I will grasp the manual one more time later this evening but any pointers/help regarding this are welcome. I think I will have to create two volumes with a very different sounding sample but with the same name and see what happens if the s750 asks me " same name found, overwrite yes/no/cancel" , i 'll let you know what I find out. The s750 is a bit complicated sometimes.... > > If it's the same as the 760, then I believe you are right, it will not allow > the same name for a sample within the same volume. You must first save the > new sample with a different name and then as part of the patch. The message > is how the system alerts you that you are about to change a sample that may > be part of a different patch, and overwriting it would also change any other > patch that may use the sample. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca]On > Behalf Of Sjaak de Vos > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:33 AM > To: sgroup@sgroup.ca > Subject: sgroup jazz drive storage > > > > I am getting a bit confused here, I am storing different volumes (drum > kits ) on my Jazz drive. > > I keep getting a messagge same name found, it does not refer to the name of > the volume but apparently to the actual sample. > > Does the S750 scan all the volumes present on a drive before writing and > check for identical names ? > I can choose to overwrite but that is not what I want cause they are > different samples. > > And there are many samples with the same name, for the time i will spread my > drumvolumes over different disks but I would like to now what is going on. > > Sjaak > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 13-9-04 > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Sep 21 20:47:01 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22112 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:47:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:47:01 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409220047.UAA22112@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com (dsl-210-15-250-66.NSW.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.66]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22108 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:46:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788B356EE1 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:46:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ptraci [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08109-09 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:46:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from [192.168.117.128] (bmaier.internal.sensorynetworks.com [192.168.117.128]) by ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F210356E62 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:46:58 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:47:05 +1000 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storage Message-ID: <104A4D2A64833023A7EA9FA6@blurk> In-Reply-To: <003601c4a00a$f9c3eaa0$6401a8c0@u3y4k0> References: <003601c4a00a$f9c3eaa0$6401a8c0@u3y4k0> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Sjaak de Vos: > The 750 is about the same as the 760 afaik. > But its not stored in the same volume, just on the same disk. > I remember reading it checks sample names in the same volume, but I want to > create a complete new volume. > And then I get this message, thats what confuses me. Yes, I believe the S-7x0 series checks for the same name on the entire disk, not just within the volume. The reason is that you can browse through every layer in the volume/performance/patch/partial/sample hierarchy, so everything within a layer must have a unique name, It's not really like the familiar directory/folder names in your computer's OS. Cheers, Bernie --------------------------------------------------------------------------- We should also remember that 'culture' is technically defined as "the artificial development of bacteria in prepared media". Phil Brophy, 1987 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Sep 22 04:38:08 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09964 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:38:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:38:08 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409220838.EAA09964@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA09960 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 04:38:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 26769 invoked by uid 65534); 22 Sep 2004 08:37:34 -0000 Received: from dsl-80-242-241-24.quicknet.nl (HELO u3y4k0) (80.242.241.24) by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 10:37:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #566185 Message-ID: <000c01c4a07f$f1f87820$6401a8c0@u3y4k0> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: References: <003601c4a00a$f9c3eaa0$6401a8c0@u3y4k0> <104A4D2A64833023A7EA9FA6@blurk> Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storage Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:41:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Hi Bernie, Thanks, I think you are right. > > Sjaak de Vos: > > > The 750 is about the same as the 760 afaik. > > But its not stored in the same volume, just on the same disk. > > I remember reading it checks sample names in the same volume, but I want to > > create a complete new volume. > > And then I get this message, thats what confuses me. > > Yes, I believe the S-7x0 series checks for the same name on the entire > disk, not just within the volume. The reason is that you can browse > through every layer in the volume/performance/patch/partial/sample > hierarchy, so everything within a layer must have a unique name, It's > not really like the familiar directory/folder names in your computer's OS. > > Cheers, > > Bernie > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > We should also remember that 'culture' is technically defined as "the > artificial development of bacteria in prepared media". Phil Brophy, 1987 > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Sep 22 05:00:17 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10901 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:00:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:00:17 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409220900.FAA10901@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay2.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay2.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.76]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10897 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:00:15 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust183.tnt4.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.30.183]) by dhuumrelay2.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i8M8xXQX013318; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:59:41 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:59:18 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Dienstag, 21.09.04 um 16:16 Uhr schrieb Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca: > If it's the same as the 760, then I believe you are right, it will not > allow > the same name for a sample within the same volume It doesn't even allow the same sample name twice on the same medium (ZIP disk etc.), even if they belong to different volumes. Same is valid for names of partials, patches, performances and volumes. But a sample may have the same name as a partial for instance. That's why IMHO it wouldn't make much sense if Roland extended the 600MB limit of SCSI drives unless they addressed the above problem also. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Sep 25 23:24:42 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11433 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:24:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:24:42 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200409260324.XAA11433@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [69.90.72.228]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11411 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:24:40 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i8Q3OjvB090693 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:24:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i8Q3Ojqh039971 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:24:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16240 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:12:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 21605 invoked by uid 65534); 25 Sep 2004 16:11:31 -0000 Received: from 80-242-241-24.dsl.quicknet.nl (HELO u3y4k0) (80.242.241.24) by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 25 Sep 2004 18:11:31 +0200 X-Authenticated: #566185 Message-ID: <003101c4a31a$dec5d200$6401a8c0@u3y4k0> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup jazz drive storage Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:15:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Hi, I think I sorted it out. The S series scans a (ZIP) disk before saving, in my case I was trying to save a complete volume. If the sampler finds a volume with the same ID but with a different volume-name (as in Naturals A and Naturals B) and finds the same sample-name it will think it is the same sample. And asks overwrite yes/no/cancel. I was importing drum-volumes with the same "KIT" ID for the Volume. The choosen names of the volume are different, in this case "Naturals A" and " Naturals B". The different volumes however do use the same names for many different drumsamples (snare, hiat and that kind of names). I was thinking as long as the name of the volume was different there would not be a problem, this is not the case. The different name (Nat A- Nat B) did not matter in this case but the volume ID does !!! I found a quick and convenient work-around in renaming the volume ID, if i save naturals b with the ID "KIT" and Naturals A with the volume ID "VOX" it will write all the samples to the zip. It will treat them as being different samples cause of the different Volume ID's. Rather confusing but in one sentence (found in the manual, just losely quoted): if the sampler finds a sample with the same name in different volumes with the same ID it will treat the sample as being the same sample. pffffffff, I was afraid I had to rename each and every different sample, hehe, have a good day, Sjaak > > > Am Dienstag, 21.09.04 um 16:16 Uhr schrieb Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca: > > > If it's the same as the 760, then I believe you are right, it will not > > allow > > the same name for a sample within the same volume > > It doesn't even allow the same sample name twice on the same medium > (ZIP disk etc.), even if they belong to different volumes. Same is > valid for names of partials, patches, performances and volumes. But a > sample may have the same name as a partial for instance. > > That's why IMHO it wouldn't make much sense if Roland extended the > 600MB limit of SCSI drives unless they addressed the above problem also. > > Ingo > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 13-9-04 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.