From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 09:38:54 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18064 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:38:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:38:54 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407011338.JAA18064@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18060 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:38:53 -0400 Received: from wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.44]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bg1mB-00073T-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:38:55 -0400 Message-ID: <28693096.1088689134707.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:38:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Bernie Maier wrote: > Given the problems you are having with these drives in your other gear, > perhaps the drives are duds? I believe in an earlier post, he said the drives worked with his Atari computer, so I assume they're OK. 'Don't know whether it's the right or wrong SCSI format. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 10:06:17 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19247 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:17 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407011406.KAA19247@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19243 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:17 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i61E6I13044927 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i61E6Gn2038121 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mxsf01.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf01.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.201]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04241 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:05:10 -0400 Received: from mxip17.cluster1.charter.net (mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.147]) by mxsf01.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5UJ5WVa011967 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:05:33 -0400 Received: from c68.112.122.73.stc.mn.charter.com (HELO cb56611-h.chickensys.com) (68.112.122.73) by mxip17.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 30 Jun 2004 15:03:37 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.81R,141,1083556800"; d="scan'208"; a="70554734:sNHT19018404" Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040630100134.03a41210@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:13:38 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: "Rubber Chicken Software Co." Subject: Re: sgroup Once again abt. Translator... In-Reply-To: <7910632176.20040630154840@gmx.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040628204535.024a3ee0@mail.chickensys.com> <551787130.20040629015637@gmx.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040628204535.024a3ee0@mail.chickensys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 03:48 PM 6/30/04 +0200, you wrote: >GH> That URL that you posted isn't linked anywhere on the site - how did you >GH> get to it? > >I just found it while I was google'ing for some information about >Roland and Akai formats etc. OK >BTW: Was there ever an official statement of Roland why they *never* >released any tool (exept SDISK) to deal with their sample Disks and >CDs?? SDisk wasn't made by them. Manufacturer historically never put out utilities anyway. >AFAIK Akai *did* release such tools and also the specs of their formats... Actually, no - all that work was done by third parties, many of whom didn't get it right. Akai did release their sys-ex info, which concurs with the file format. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * | Garth Hjelte | | Customer Service Representative, President | | Chicken Systems, Inc, Rubber Chicken Software Co. | | 714 5th Street SE | | Willmar, MN 56201 USA | | | | 800-8-PRO-EPS Toll Free Order Line (US Only) | | 320-235-9798 Tech Support, Sampler Questions | | International Line | | 360-838-7689 Fax | | Product Sales: sales@chickensys.com | | Product Support: support@chickensys.com | | Sampler Q+A: qa@chickensys.com | | Web Page: www.chickensys.com | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 10:06:31 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19258 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:31 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407011406.KAA19258@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19254 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:30 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i61E6V13044963 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i61E6TVG038211 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18931 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:56:02 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mainpc.pacbell.net) (dbarton@pacbell.net@67.112.40.98 with login) by smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 22:55:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629153011.026e5ea0@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: dbarton@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:32:34 -0700 To: DAJA300@aol.com, sgroup@sgroup.ca From: dennis barton Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 6/29/2004 02:48 p, DAJA300@aol.com wrote: >That's great information. I'm on my way to figuring it out. Hopefully not >a big struggle as I have somewhat messed around with volumes before but I >am far from being an expert. > >I also take it that your question is for the list and not me specifically. >I understand the question but I have no clue. I will like to know that too. > I use an s760 live. It's boots up to a volume that contains many performances - one for each song in the set. Each performance has the patches specific to that song, plus a common patch that contains drums and such that any song can use.. |_e_/ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 10:06:42 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19269 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:42 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407011406.KAA19269@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19265 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:42 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i61E6h13044966 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i61E6f2n038332 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:06:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.186]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA28686 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:55:19 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mainpc.pacbell.net) (dbarton@pacbell.net@67.112.40.98 with login) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 02:55:23 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629190647.029a1178@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: skylab2000@pop.compuserve.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:09:18 -0700 To: DAJA300@aol.com, sgroup@sgroup.ca From: dennis barton Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds In-Reply-To: <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> References: <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 6/29/2004 06:04 p, DAJA300@aol.com wrote: >So when I save a patch is that equivalent to only one sound? If so, then I >might as well save a group of sounds as a performance. > >Also volume can only hold performances or do they also hold patches? > > From what I understand the prevoious post was saying I can save a group > of sounds as a volume. > >A bit confusing but I need to get this right from the jump. I hate to have >to go back and fix this because I do have quite a library to transfer. > >Thanks again >Dave the architecture is easy once you get it volumes are only collections of performances performances are collections of patches patches are usually one sample. you can save a perfomance that has a bunch of patches in it, but if you want it to *automatically* load it has to be saved in to a volume. |_e_/ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 10:07:05 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19302 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:07:05 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407011407.KAA19302@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19298 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:07:04 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i61E7513045412 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:07:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i61E73SA039299 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:07:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from parrot.cairead.com (83-70-40-95.bas2.prp.dublin.eircom.net [83.70.40.95]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27773 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:28:37 -0400 Received: from uv.cairead.com (uv.cairead.com [192.168.66.10]) by parrot.cairead.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08537 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:28:36 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nic@localhost) by uv.cairead.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA05671 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:28:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:28:35 +0100 From: Nic Grant To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Once again abt. Translator... Message-ID: <20040630162835.A5656@uv.cairead.com> References: <551787130.20040629015637@gmx.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040628204535.024a3ee0@mail.chickensys.com> <7910632176.20040630154840@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7910632176.20040630154840@gmx.net>; from C.Keck@gmx.net on Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 03:48:40PM +0200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; to quote Chris: => BTW: Was there ever an official statement of Roland why they *never* => released any tool (exept SDISK) to deal with their sample Disks and => CDs?? I have the S700 file format spec in soft copy. If anyone wants it, just drop me an email. If there is a deluge of requests, I'll post it to the list to save my fingers. Regards, Nic. -- Nic Grant, Soft Audio, nic@softaudio.com, GSM: +353 87 2300 914 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 10:39:18 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20635 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:39:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:39:18 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407011439.KAA20635@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20631 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:39:18 -0400 Received: from wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.44]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bg2id-0008OR-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: <26293816.1088692759618.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:39:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; dennis barton wrote: > I use an s760 live. It's boots up to a volume that contains many > performances - one for each song in the set. > > Each performance has the patches specific to that song, plus a common > patch that contains drums and such that any song can use.. Wow, I would LOVE to get a Roland-formatted CD with stuff like this on it. I know this is your own personal stuff so it's understandable if you wouldn't want to share. If and when I put my own similar stuff together (and when chickensys lets me burn Roland-formatted CDs) I'd be willing to make this available to anyone who asks. This is the kind of stuff that makes the S-760 as useful as a Roland XV-5080 or a Yamaha Motif - yes, I know - not as many voices, FX, outputs, etc., but still better than hunting for patches one at a time and then loading them up as needed. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 16:41:59 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03136 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:41:59 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407012041.QAA03136@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03132 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:41:58 -0400 Received: from wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.44]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bg8Ne-0007Ey-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:42:02 -0400 Message-ID: <26625375.1088714521289.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:42:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Subject: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; What software is out there today that will allow me to make CD backups of Roland-formatted CDs? I guess Chickensys will let me do it when full Roland support is available, but what about now? I used to make them with some CD copying software, not Toast - I forget the name. But the CDs were terrible - my S-760 would read maybe half of the sounds but fail with Read errors on the rest. I never got one perfect CD out of it. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 16:44:32 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03247 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:44:32 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407012044.QAA03247@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.225]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03243 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:44:31 -0400 Received: from mxip04.cluster1.charter.net (mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.134]) by mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i61KjExC017770 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:45:19 -0400 Received: from c68.112.122.73.stc.mn.charter.com (HELO cb56611-h.chickensys.com) (68.112.122.73) by mxip04.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2004 16:42:58 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.81R,141,1083556800"; d="scan'208"; a="75399420:sNHT14541354" Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701102523.024b7d50@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:21:16 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Garth Hjelte Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629190647.029a1178@pop.compuserve.com> References: <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 07:09 PM 6/29/04 -0700, you wrote: >the architecture is easy once you get it > >volumes are only collections of performances >performances are collections of patches >patches are usually one sample. To be more specific, Patches are keymaps of "Partials", which are objects that reference up to 4 samples. Garth Hjelte Sampler User - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 16:47:17 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03385 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:47:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:47:17 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407012047.QAA03385@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03381 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:47:17 -0400 Received: from wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.44]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bg8Sn-0004Xk-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:47:21 -0400 Message-ID: <24719810.1088714840124.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:47:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Unfortunately I don't have a SCSI connection on my PC, nor a Zip drive. I guess using a Zip drive would be just as easy as using a hard disk with my 760 but I understand CDs are much more reliable than Zips, and once Chickensys lets me burn Roland-formatted CDs I'm there. I wonder if Chickensys will let you convert from any format to S-550 format. I know the 760 is generally better than the 550 but I've still got the 550 around and it sounds great for 12-bit, plus its 8 outputs are very handy. Jesse Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >Hey Jesse, > >Just Download Disk2File and use that to burn S760 CDs, it's so easy. All >you need is an SCSI card for your PC and you're good to go. I only have >a 100MB Zip Drive, so all of my CDs tend to be 100MB Max. If you're >using larger drives (Up to 600MB of course, arggh!), you can burn CDs >with more data. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 17:01:06 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03947 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:01:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:01:06 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407012101.RAA03947@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03943 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:01:05 -0400 Received: from wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.44]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bg8g9-0007Sb-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:01:09 -0400 Message-ID: <220027.1088715668547.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:01:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup List Subject: sgroup So what sounds are we managing? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; For those of you making volumes for your songs in your samplers, what kind of sounds are you using? What drum samples are you using, what bass sounds, what piano sounds, etc.? Before Chickensys said Roland support was iminent I was going through my Akai sample CDs saving the sounds I like to my hard drive. I was about halfway through my Dance Mega Synths CD (I think that's what it's called) and I hadn't heard one single sound that knocked me out. I guess once I start getting serious about putting these volumes together I'll try to go through all of my sample CDs and listen to every single sound - hopefully then I'll find some great samples that I really like. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 18:30:28 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07657 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:30:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:30:28 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407012230.SAA07657@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.227]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07653 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:30:27 -0400 Received: from mxip11.cluster1.charter.net (mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.141]) by mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i61MVFDg005255 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:31:19 -0400 Received: from c68.112.122.73.stc.mn.charter.com (HELO cb56611-h.chickensys.com) (68.112.122.73) by mxip11.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2004 18:26:46 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.81R,141,1083556800"; d="scan'208"; a="80283630:sNHT12096174" Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701171123.0247bba0@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:22:47 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Garth Hjelte Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040701144450.028b5970@pop.compuserve.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701102523.024b7d50@mail.chickensys.com> <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040701102523.024b7d50@mail.chickensys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 02:46 PM 7/1/04 -0700, you wrote: > >>patches are usually one sample. > > > >To be more specific, Patches are keymaps of "Partials", which are objects > >that reference up to 4 samples. > >True enough, but in most cases, people probably only assign one sample to a >partial. > >Which is why I said "usually". :) You mentioned "patches have one sample", but you meant "partials have one sample." I think you cut your explanation short by one object. But even so, many Roland sample libraries use all four. Since stereo samples take up two slots, as the S-7x is dual-mono, at least two of them are taken up more frequently. Most patches don't use just one sample, and partials are never used by themselves anyway. Garth Hjelte Sampler User - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 18:30:36 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07664 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:30:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:30:36 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407012230.SAA07664@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.227]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07660 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:30:36 -0400 Received: from mxip11.cluster1.charter.net (mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.141]) by mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i61MVFDh005255 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:31:26 -0400 Received: from c68.112.122.73.stc.mn.charter.com (HELO cb56611-h.chickensys.com) (68.112.122.73) by mxip11.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2004 18:26:47 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.81R,141,1083556800"; d="scan'208"; a="80283667:sNHT12359068" Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701171633.02540890@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:19:29 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Garth Hjelte Subject: Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs In-Reply-To: <26625375.1088714521289.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earth link.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 04:42 PM 7/1/04 -0400, you wrote: >What software is out there today that will allow me to make CD backups of >Roland-formatted CDs? I guess Chickensys will let me do it when full >Roland support is available, but what about now? > >I used to make them with some CD copying software, not Toast - I forget >the name. But the CDs were terrible - my S-760 would read maybe half of >the sounds but fail with Read errors on the rest. I never got one perfect >CD out of it. Translator right now can do compilations and backups of individual Patches etc. Has been able to for awhile. Just drag whatever Patches out of a CD, and make them into .rol files. Then you can create a Virtual Drive, and drag those Patches on there, and burn a new CD. You can do this with hard drives too. Garth Hjelte Sampler User - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 18:30:40 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07677 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:30:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:30:40 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407012230.SAA07677@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.227]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07673 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:30:39 -0400 Received: from mxip11.cluster1.charter.net (mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.141]) by mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i61MVFDi005255 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:31:32 -0400 Received: from c68.112.122.73.stc.mn.charter.com (HELO cb56611-h.chickensys.com) (68.112.122.73) by mxip11.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2004 18:26:48 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.81R,141,1083556800"; d="scan'208"; a="80283682:sNHT12475820" Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701171640.0253d630@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:20:28 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Garth Hjelte Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds In-Reply-To: <24719810.1088714840124.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earth link.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 04:47 PM 7/1/04 -0400, you wrote: >Unfortunately I don't have a SCSI connection on my PC, nor a Zip drive. I >guess using a Zip drive would be just as easy as using a hard disk with my >760 but I understand CDs are much more reliable than Zips, and once >Chickensys lets me burn Roland-formatted CDs I'm there. See other post, you can now (no conversions yet, but roland->roland is OK). >I wonder if Chickensys will let you convert from any format to S-550 >format. I know the 760 is generally better than the 550 but I've still >got the 550 around and it sounds great for 12-bit, plus its 8 outputs are >very handy. Maybe we'll do it, but getting enough time to do the S-7x is hard enough, as you can see. =) Garth Hjelte Sampler User - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 20:01:23 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11410 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:01:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:01:23 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407020001.UAA11410@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11406 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:01:21 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.96.ec80530 (3924) for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96.ec80530.2e15ffb4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:00:52 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI HD configuration To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088726452" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088726452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ingo I would love a copy Dave In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:18:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, debus@cityweb.de writes: Am Dienstag, 29.06.04 um 23:58 Uhr schrieb DAJA300@aol.com: > Jesse by default they do not come SCSI. SCSI came later and you could > get them internal on some systems like the Mega STE. > The older Ataris had an interface called ACSI, which was similar to SCSI. The Falcon came with SCSI II. > As far as the S-760 directly to the Atari in my opinion it sounds like > a bullet. The Atari is less user friendly of the bunch and > without support for software or hardware you may need to join some > good mailing lists or newsgroups to find the scientists that knows > better. > Once I wrote a little S-760/S-330 tool for the Atari. I think it's online somewhere, but if anyone is interested I can send it directly to them. Ingo -------------------------------1088726452 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ingo I would love a copy
 
Dave
 
In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:18:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 debus@cityweb.de writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>
Am=20 Dienstag, 29.06.04 um 23:58 Uhr schrieb DAJA300@aol.com:

> Jesse= by=20 default they do not come SCSI. SCSI came later and you could
> get=20= them=20 internal on some systems like the Mega STE.
>  

The olde= r=20 Ataris had an interface called ACSI, which was similar to
SCSI. The Fa= lcon=20 came with SCSI II.

> As far as the S-760 directly to the Atari i= n my=20 opinion it sounds like
> a bullet. The Atari is less user frie= ndly=20 of the bunch and
> without support for software or hardware=20 you may need to join some
> good mailing lists or newsgroups t= o=20 find the scientists that knows
> better.
>

Once I wrot= e a=20 little S-760/S-330 tool for the Atari. I think it's
online somewhere,=20= but=20 if anyone is interested I can send it directly to=20
them.

Ingo

-------------------------------1088726452-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 20:10:02 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11769 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:10:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:10:02 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407020010.UAA11769@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11765 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:10:02 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1de.23df4559 (3924) for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1de.23df4559.2e1601bb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:09:31 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088726971" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088726971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernie there is another one I am going to try soon. Will report back. No ultras. I am thinking mine were all too new. Not today new just relatively new to the S760. And maybe why they're not compatible. I even tried my reliable newer scsi drive case with these old SCSI's and still no go. My S760 have worked before however with SCSI. Never had to terminate before. Dave In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, blurk@wr.com.au writes: DAJA300@aol.com: > I was looking at the pdf from Roland's website and interestingly enough > discovered that I can use the iomega 1gb drives as well. Anxiously I began > hooking mine up to discover I did not have a gender changer db25 to try this > out. > Anyone tried this yet? I've successfully used a 1GB Jaz drive with my S-760. > BTW Roland is also saying in so many words that it is no mystery which hard > drive you use [basically speaking]. That is, most popular ones will work > and if they are Mac compatible.. All the SCSI drives I've tried have worked with it. Mind you, these are mostly older drives that I've scavenged from various sources. I think these have all been 540MB and 1GB models (I'm pretty sure I haven't had a 2GB SCSI drive to try). > But though I heard some folks saying they > even use 1 or 2gb drives and only formatted for the 600MB, my experiences > with the Seagate and Quantum drives proved different. The S760 won't even > see it. I used 2GB in and 1.2GB drives. My Atari won't see it either but > in my Triton Pro one formatted with an error, one I did not get to try at > all and the other one was not seen at all. Given the problems you are having with these drives in your other gear, perhaps the drives are duds? Alternatively, and this is pure speculation on my part, they're not wide or ultra-wide SCSI drives are they? Regardless, maybe you have some termination problems or dodgy cables in your SCSI chain. Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -------------------------------1088726971 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bernie there is another one I am going to try soon. Will report back. N= o=20 ultras.
 
I am thinking mine were all too new. Not today new just relatively new=20= to=20 the S760. And maybe why they're not compatible.
 
I even tried my reliable newer scsi drive case with these old SCSI= 's=20 and still no go.
 
My S760 have worked before however with SCSI. Never had to terminate=20 before.
 
Dave
 
In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 blurk@wr.com.au writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>
DAJA300@aol.com:

> I was looking at the pdf from Ro= land's=20 website and interestingly enough
> discovered that I can use the iom= ega=20 1gb drives as well. Anxiously I began
> hooking mine up to discover=20= I=20 did not have a gender changer db25 to try this
> out.
> Anyone= =20 tried this yet?

I've successfully used a 1GB Jaz drive with my=20 S-760.

> BTW Roland is also saying in so many words that it is n= o=20 mystery which hard
> drive you use [basically speaking]. That is, mo= st=20 popular ones will work
> and  if they are Mac=20 compatible..

All the SCSI drives I've tried have worked with it.&nb= sp;=20 Mind you, these are
mostly older drives that I've scavenged from variou= s=20 sources.  I think
these have all been 540MB and 1GB models (I'm pr= etty=20 sure I haven't had
a 2GB SCSI drive to try).

> But though I h= eard=20 some folks saying they
> even   use 1 or 2gb drives and on= ly=20 formatted for the 600MB, my experiences
> with the   Seaga= te=20 and Quantum drives proved different. The S760 won't even
> see it.=20 I  used  2GB in and 1.2GB drives. My Atari won't see it either=20 but
> in my Triton Pro  one  formatted with an error, one=20= I=20 did not get to try at
> all and the other  one was  not se= en=20 at all.

Given the problems you are having with these drives in your= =20 other gear,
perhaps the drives are duds?  Alternatively, and this=20= is=20 pure speculation
on my part, they're not wide or ultra-wide SCSI drives= are=20 they?
Regardless, maybe you have some termination problems or dodgy cab= les=20 in
your SCSI chain.

Cheers,

   =20 Bernie

-
Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca
For=20 subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca
and see=20 http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more=20 information.
-------------------------------1088726971-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 20:15:03 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11986 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:15:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:15:03 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407020015.UAA11986@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11982 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:15:02 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1c3.1b2b1c25 (3924) for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c3.1b2b1c25.2e1602e8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:14:32 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088727272" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088727272 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With all this info I may not need the manual. At least not yet. Thanks guys. I will keep all the info for ref. Dave In a message dated 7/1/2004 10:07:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, db@skylab2000.com writes: At 6/29/2004 02:48 p, DAJA300@aol.com wrote: >That's great information. I'm on my way to figuring it out. Hopefully not >a big struggle as I have somewhat messed around with volumes before but I >am far from being an expert. > >I also take it that your question is for the list and not me specifically. >I understand the question but I have no clue. I will like to know that too. > I use an s760 live. It's boots up to a volume that contains many performances - one for each song in the set. Each performance has the patches specific to that song, plus a common patch that contains drums and such that any song can use.. |_e_/ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -------------------------------1088727272 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
With all this info I may not need the manual. At least not yet.
 
Thanks guys. I will keep all the info for ref.
 
Dave
 
In a message dated 7/1/2004 10:07:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 db@skylab2000.com writes:
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At=20 6/29/2004 02:48 p, DAJA300@aol.com wrote:
>That's great information.= I'm=20 on my way to figuring it out. Hopefully not
>a big struggle as I ha= ve=20 somewhat messed around with volumes before but I
>am far from being= an=20 expert.
>
>I also take it that your question is for the list a= nd=20 not me specifically.
>I understand the question but I have no clue.= I=20 will like to know that too.
>

I use an s760 live. It's boots=20= up=20 to a volume that contains many
performances - one for each song in the= =20 set.

Each performance has the patches specific to that song, plus a= =20 common patch
that contains drums and such that any song can=20 use..

  |_e_/   Dennis Barton=20 <db@skylab2000.com>
      )    =20 skylab2000
  ~\/\     Brainforest Productions, Los=20 Angeles
      /     http://skylab2000.com= =20


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-------------------------------1088727272-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 20:16:07 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12037 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:16:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:16:07 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407020016.UAA12037@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12033 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:16:07 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1c5.1a986ab5 (3924) for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c5.1a986ab5.2e160324@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:15:32 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088727332" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088727332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok guys as soon as I am able to try another set of drives I will report back. Thanks for all the great help so far. Dave Bernie Maier wrote: > Given the problems you are having with these drives in your other gear, > perhaps the drives are duds? I believe in an earlier post, he said the drives worked with his Atari computer, so I assume they're OK. 'Don't know whether it's the right or wrong SCSI format. Jesse -------------------------------1088727332 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok guys as soon as I am able to try another set of drives I will=20 report back.
 
Thanks for all the great help so far.
 
Dave
 
Bernie Maier wrote:
> Given the problems you are havi= ng=20 with these drives in your other gear,
> perhaps the drives are=20 duds?

I believe in an earlier post, he said the drives worked with hi= s=20 Atari computer, so I assume they're OK.  'Don't know whether it's the r= ight=20 or wrong SCSI format.

Jesse
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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 1 20:37:01 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12915 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:37:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:37:01 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407020037.UAA12915@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12911 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:37:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 17733 invoked by uid 65534); 2 Jul 2004 00:36:33 -0000 Received: from dsl-082-082-213-150.arcor-ip.net (EHLO WrkStn1) (82.82.213.150) by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 02 Jul 2004 02:36:33 +0200 X-Authenticated: #670536 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 02:33:12 +0200 From: Chris Reply-To: Chris X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1856912608.20040702023312@gmx.net> To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI HD configuration In-Reply-To: <96.ec80530.2e15ffb4@aol.com> References: <96.ec80530.2e15ffb4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Dac> Ingo I would love a copy Me, too, please :)) cheers, Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jul 2 09:38:03 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12990 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:38:03 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407021338.JAA12990@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12986 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:38:01 -0400 Received: from user-uinj157.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.132.167] helo=mindspring.com) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BgOEm-00063U-00; Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:37:57 -0400 Message-ID: <40E56531.9070706@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:37:53 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garth Hjelte , SGroup List Subject: Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701171633.02540890@mail.chickensys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701171633.02540890@mail.chickensys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Garth Hjelte wrote: > Translator right now can do compilations and backups of individual > Patches etc. Has been able to for awhile. > > Just drag whatever Patches out of a CD, and make them into .rol files. > Then you can create a Virtual Drive, and drag those Patches on there, > and burn a new CD. You can do this with hard drives too. But will Translator do a full backup of a CD, with volumes, performances, patches, etc? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 13:33:24 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17569 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:33:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:33:24 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031733.NAA17569@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.69]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17565 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:33:22 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust29.tnt4.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.30.29]) by dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i63HWoaS001880; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:32:51 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:32:41 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: DAJA300@aol.com, sgroup@sgroup.ca To: dennis barton From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040629153011.026e5ea0@pop.compuserve.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Mittwoch, 30.06.04 um 00:32 Uhr schrieb dennis barton: > I use an s760 live. It's boots up to a volume that contains many > performances - one for each song in the set. > > Each performance has the patches specific to that song, plus a common > patch that contains drums and such that any song can use.. > The S-760 can also load volumes automatically depending on MIDI program change messages it receives. I use this feature frequently. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 13:34:09 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17623 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:34:09 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031734.NAA17623@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.69]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17619 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:34:06 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust29.tnt4.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.30.29]) by dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i63HXaaS001912; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:33:37 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:33:27 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup Once again abt. Translator... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: Nic Grant From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: <20040630162835.A5656@uv.cairead.com> Message-Id: <17EBEAE2-CD17-11D8-A76D-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Mittwoch, 30.06.04 um 17:28 Uhr schrieb Nic Grant: > I have the S700 file format spec in soft copy. If anyone wants it, > just > drop me an email. If there is a deluge of requests, I'll post it to > the > list to save my fingers. > I'd love to have a copy. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 13:34:21 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17633 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:34:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:34:21 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031734.NAA17633@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.69]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17629 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:34:19 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust29.tnt4.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.30.29]) by dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i63HXnaS001919; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:33:50 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:33:40 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: DAJA300@aol.com From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1FABB51F-CD17-11D8-A76D-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Donnerstag, 01.07.04 um 03:35 Uhr schrieb DAJA300@aol.com: > Guys I find the information very useful. I do not have a manual so I > saved everything. > Have you seen the file 760clinic.pdf ("The Roland S-760 demystified", it's on the web somewhere)? It does not replace the manual but better than nothing. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 14:03:16 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18845 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:03:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:03:16 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031803.OAA18845@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18841 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:03:16 -0400 Received: from pool0398.cvx8-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.178.171.143] helo=rhoffmanix) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bgor7-0008HY-00; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:03:18 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c46127$e92129a0$8fabb2d1@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Jesse Segovia" , "SGroup List" References: <26625375.1088714521289.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:02:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I use Nero for the PC (great program). The problem you are having is not the problem of the coping software but probably the fact that CDR play poorly on older CD drives. I have has some problem myself. But trying different drives or brand of CDR has solve them, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:42 PM Subject: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs > > What software is out there today that will allow me to make CD backups of Roland-formatted CDs? I guess Chickensys will let me do it when full Roland support is available, but what about now? > > I used to make them with some CD copying software, not Toast - I forget the name. But the CDs were terrible - my S-760 would read maybe half of the sounds but fail with Read errors on the rest. I never got one perfect CD out of it. > > Jesse > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 14:55:42 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21005 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:42 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031855.OAA21005@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21001 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:41 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i63Iti13044283 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i63Iti5g091334 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.184]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA32247 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:21:44 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mainpc.pacbell.net) (dbarton@pacbell.net@67.112.40.123 with login) by smtp805.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 19:21:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040701121124.0293d208@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: skylab2000@pop.compuserve.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:12:41 -0700 To: Jesse Segovia , sgroup@sgroup.ca From: dennis barton Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds In-Reply-To: <26293816.1088692759618.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earth link.net> References: <26293816.1088692759618.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; >Wow, I would LOVE to get a Roland-formatted CD with stuff like this on >it. I know this is your own personal stuff so it's understandable if you >wouldn't want to share. If and when I put my own similar stuff together >(and when chickensys lets me burn Roland-formatted CDs) I'd be willing to >make this available to anyone who asks. It's all very easy to set this up on a ZIP disk.. Why bother with all the hassles of trying to make CDs and the forever wait for chickensys? |_e_/ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 14:55:50 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21013 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:50 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031855.OAA21013@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21007 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:49 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i63Itp13044286 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i63Itp3P091342 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05752 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:45:10 -0400 Received: from lvc.edu (webmail.lvc.edu [192.77.143.32]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i61LjE13018947 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:45:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jty001@lvc.edu) Received: from Semaj ([69.138.167.191]) by lvc.edu (lvc.edu [127.0.0.1]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 28-md50000000140.tmp for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:44:07 -0400 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: sgroup w-30 disk drive error From: James Yanisko Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:45:00 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.23/Win32 M2 build 3227 X-Spam-Processed: lvc.edu, Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:44:07 -0400 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 69.138.167.191 X-Return-Path: jty001@lvc.edu X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; my w30 reads "disk load error ... 10" on boot up instead of insert system disk. do you think i just need a new disk drive?? and if so, what brand drives and versions are known to work with the w30? James -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 14:55:55 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21027 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:55 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031855.OAA21027@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21023 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:54 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i63Itv13044289 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i63Itvmf091350 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:55:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06207 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:55:44 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mainpc.pacbell.net) (dbarton@pacbell.net@67.112.40.123 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2004 21:55:42 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040701144450.028b5970@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: skylab2000@pop.compuserve.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:46:46 -0700 To: Garth Hjelte , sgroup@sgroup.ca From: dennis barton Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701102523.024b7d50@mail.chickensys.com> References: <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040701102523.024b7d50@mail.chickensys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; >>patches are usually one sample. > >To be more specific, Patches are keymaps of "Partials", which are objects >that reference up to 4 samples. True enough, but in most cases, people probably only assign one sample to a partial. Which is why I said "usually". :) |_e_/ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 14:56:01 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21057 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:01 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031856.OAA21057@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21053 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i63Iu313044292 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i63Iu3nh091361 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12802 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:34:26 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mainpc.pacbell.net) (dbarton@pacbell.net@67.112.40.123 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2004 00:33:38 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040701172736.029fbb00@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: skylab2000@pop.compuserve.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:29:42 -0700 To: Garth Hjelte , sgroup@sgroup.ca From: dennis barton Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701171123.0247bba0@mail.chickensys.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040701102523.024b7d50@mail.chickensys.com> <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040701102523.024b7d50@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040701171123.0247bba0@mail.chickensys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; >You mentioned "patches have one sample", but you meant "partials have one >sample." I think you cut your explanation short by one object. > >But even so, many Roland sample libraries use all four. Since stereo >samples take up two slots, as the S-7x is dual-mono, at least two of them >are taken up more frequently. > >Most patches don't use just one sample, and partials are never used by >themselves anyway. ok, you are right, I was trying to make it easier to grasp. I still think that many regular people - not creators of libraries for sale - use one sample per partial. Simpler.. |_e_/ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 14:56:15 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21068 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:15 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031856.OAA21068@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21064 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i63IuH13044295 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i63IuH5N091403 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from parrot.cairead.com (83-70-40-95.bas2.prp.dublin.eircom.net [83.70.40.95]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03305 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:44:19 -0400 Received: from uv.cairead.com (uv.cairead.com [192.168.66.10]) by parrot.cairead.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA09361 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:44:17 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nic@localhost) by uv.cairead.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id KAA07886 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:44:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:44:16 +0100 From: Nic Grant To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: sgroup S7XX scsi format Message-ID: <20040702104416.D7849@uv.cairead.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Hi, John (Sellens) has (or will over the next couple of days) kindly placed the offending document here: http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/docs/s700-scsi.txt Thanks John. Regards, Nic. -- Nic Grant, Soft Audio, nic@softaudio.com, GSM: +353 87 2300 914 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 14:56:34 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21103 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:34 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031856.OAA21103@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21099 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:33 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i63Iua13044887 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i63Iua6Q091434 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:56:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mxsf08.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf08.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.208]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23389 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:50:23 -0400 Received: from mxip10.cluster1.charter.net (mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.140]) by mxsf08.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62HpOeS010832 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:51:24 -0400 Received: from c68.112.122.73.stc.mn.charter.com (HELO cb56611-h.chickensys.com) (68.112.122.73) by mxip10.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 02 Jul 2004 13:49:55 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.81R,144,1083556800"; d="scan'208"; a="77098712:sNHT297055112" Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040702103511.0246adb0@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:44:22 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: "Rubber Chicken Software Co." Subject: Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs In-Reply-To: <27265375.1088780925776.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earth link.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 11:08 AM 7/2/04 -0400, you wrote: >Wow, I had no idea Translator can already make S-700 formatted CDs! > >And this will work with any PC with a CD burner, like a Dell laptop, >right? It doesn't have to be a SCSI CD burner? Right. >But in order to do backups of other formats like Akai S1000 CDs, I'd have >to buy the full product, not just the Roland version, right? 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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 15:21:02 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22129 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:21:02 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407031921.PAA22129@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA22125 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 15:21:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 21525 invoked by uid 65534); 3 Jul 2004 19:20:33 -0000 Received: from dsl-80-242-241-24.quicknet.nl (HELO s) (80.242.241.24) by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 03 Jul 2004 21:20:33 +0200 X-Authenticated: #566185 Message-ID: <005f01c46133$1c801940$18f1f250@s> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: References: <26293816.1088692759618.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <6.1.1.1.2.20040701121124.0293d208@pop.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:22:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; > > > >Wow, I would LOVE to get a Roland-formatted CD with stuff like this on > >it. I know this is your own personal stuff so it's understandable if you > >wouldn't want to share. If and when I put my own similar stuff together > >(and when chickensys lets me burn Roland-formatted CDs) I'd be willing to > >make this available to anyone who asks. > > It's all very easy to set this up on a ZIP disk.. > > Why bother with all the hassles of trying to make CDs and the forever wait > for chickensys? Yes ZIP it is, right at this moment I am making copies of my favorite volumes on my recently purchased ZIP drive. Second hand they come cheap , including disks and cables many times. The cd's will be my backups, and one more advantage using a ZIP is that you can save changes, now try that on a cd......(<: And ZIP is reasonable fast, I think it is a fraction faster as my 32 speed cd (plextor). Sjaak --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 16:52:23 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25881 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:52:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:52:23 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407032052.QAA25881@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from ns2.kapsch.net (ns2.kapsch.net [148.198.1.85]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25875 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:52:21 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at [148.198.9.36]) by ns2.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:51:59 +0200 Received: from S060VS01.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.40.112]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:51:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6556.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: AW: [Maybe Spam][L] Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:51:53 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Maybe Spam][L] Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Thread-Index: AcRhKDw16A0/m8l1SoCV7lZy/QArqAAFu4FZ From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "SGroup List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2004 20:51:53.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[920DD330:01C4613F] Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; CUhpISANCgkNCg0KCT5JIHVzZSBOZXJvIGZvciB0aGUgUEMgKGdyZWF0IHByb2dyYW0pLiAgVGhl IHByb2JsZW0geW91IGFyZSBoYXZpbmcgaXMNCm5vdA0KCT50aGUgcHJvYmxlbSBvZiB0aGUgY29w aW5nIHNvZnR3YXJlIGJ1dCBwcm9iYWJseSB0aGUgZmFjdCB0aGF0IENEUiBwbGF5DQoJPnBvb3Js eSBvbiBvbGRlciBDRCBkcml2ZXMuICBJIGhhdmUgaGFzIHNvbWUgcHJvYmxlbSBteXNlbGYuICBC dXQgdHJ5aW5nDQoJPmRpZmZlcmVudCBkcml2ZXMgb3IgYnJhbmQgb2YgQ0RSIGhhcyBzb2x2ZSB0 aGVtLA0KCQ0KCU5lYXJseSB0aGUgc2FtZSBwcm9ibGVtcyBoZXJlOiANCgkNCglJIGdvdCB0aGUg Um9sYW5kIENELTUgZHJpdmUgZnJvbSB0aGUgVW5pdGVkIFN0YXRlcyAgdG8gbWUgKGhlcmUgaW4N CkV1cm9wZSkNCglidXQgY291bGQgbm90IHVzZSBpdCBhcyBpdCBvbmx5IHdvcmtzIHdpdGggb3Jp Z2luYWwgKG5vdCBidXJuZWQpIGRpc2tzLg0KCUV2ZW4gY29waWVkIGRpc2sgaW4gc2luZ2xlIHNw ZWVkIG1vZGUgKG5vcm1hbGx5IGJldHRlciByZWFkYWJsZSkgZGlkIG5vdA0KbWFrZSB0aGUgam9i Lg0KCVNvIHRoZSBDRC01IGlzIGx5aW5nIGFyb3VuZCBhbmQgSSBoYWQgdG8gYnV5IGEgU29ueSBj ZHJvbSBkcml2ZS4uLg0KCVRoaXMgb25lIGlzIHdvcmtpbmcgZmluZSB3aXRoIGV2ZXJ5IGNkcm9t IQ0KCQ0KCUNpYW8NCglQZXRlcg0KDQoJaHR0cDovL3d3dy51bGxyaWNoLmF0LnR0DQoNCg== - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 22:23:37 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07101 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:23:37 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407040223.WAA07101@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07097 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:23:36 -0400 Received: from user-105n867.dialup.mindspring.com ([64.91.160.199] helo=mindspring.com) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bgwf6-0004Dp-00; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:23:25 -0400 Message-ID: <40E76A19.5000306@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 22:23:21 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Hoffman CC: SGroup List Subject: Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs References: <26625375.1088714521289.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <002a01c46127$e92129a0$8fabb2d1@netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <002a01c46127$e92129a0$8fabb2d1@netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; You may be right. Which CDR brands work best for you? Jesse Randy Hoffman wrote: >I use Nero for the PC (great program). The problem you are having is not >the problem of the coping software but probably the fact that CDR play >poorly on older CD drives. I have has some problem myself. But trying >different drives or brand of CDR has solve them, > >Randy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jesse Segovia >To: SGroup List >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:42 PM >Subject: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs > > > > >>What software is out there today that will allow me to make CD backups of >> >> >Roland-formatted CDs? I guess Chickensys will let me do it when full Roland >support is available, but what about now? > > >>I used to make them with some CD copying software, not Toast - I forget >> >> >the name. But the CDs were terrible - my S-760 would read maybe half of the >sounds but fail with Read errors on the rest. I never got one perfect CD >out of it. > > >>Jesse >> >> >>- >>Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca >>For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca >>and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >> >> > > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 3 22:48:31 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08140 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:48:31 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407040248.WAA08140@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08136 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:48:31 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.88.e41d53e (2519) for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <88.e41d53e.2e18c9e1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 22:48:01 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088909281" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088909281 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes and that is my main entree. Every gear in my studio uses program change commands so yes the S760 for sure. I did grab a copy of ("The Roland S-760 demystified") Anything will help me out so I sure will take a copy of that >>"S700 file format spec in soft copy"<< Thanks again Dave In a message dated 7/3/2004 1:33:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, debus@cityweb.de writes: Am Mittwoch, 30.06.04 um 00:32 Uhr schrieb dennis barton: > I use an s760 live. It's boots up to a volume that contains many > performances - one for each song in the set. > > Each performance has the patches specific to that song, plus a common > patch that contains drums and such that any song can use.. > The S-760 can also load volumes automatically depending on MIDI program change messages it receives. I use this feature frequently. Ingo -------------------------------1088909281 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes and that is my main entree. Every gear in my studio uses program ch= ange=20 commands so yes the S760 for sure.
 
I did grab a copy of ("The Roland S-760 demystified")
 
Anything will help me out so I sure will take a copy of that
 
>>"S700 file format spec in soft copy"<<
Thanks again
Dave
 
In a message dated 7/3/2004 1:33:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 debus@cityweb.de writes:
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Am=20 Mittwoch, 30.06.04 um 00:32 Uhr schrieb dennis barton:

> I use a= n=20 s760 live. It's boots up to a volume that contains many
> performan= ces=20 - one for each song in the set.
>
> Each performance has the=20 patches specific to that song, plus a common
> patch that contains=20 drums and such that any song can use..
>

The S-760 can also l= oad=20 volumes automatically depending on MIDI program
change messages it=20 receives. I use this feature=20 frequently.

Ingo

 
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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jul 4 14:37:04 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15349 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:37:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:37:04 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407041837.OAA15349@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15345 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:37:03 -0400 Received: from pool0444.cvx4-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.178.147.189] helo=rhoffmanix) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BhBrK-00088L-00; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:37:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c461f5$77572c60$bd93b2d1@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Ullrich Peter" , "SGroup List" References: Subject: Re: [Maybe Spam][L] Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:33:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; It is a shame considering it is a $1000 CD rom from Roland. I've always wanted to bag one. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ullrich Peter To: SGroup List Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: AW: [Maybe Spam][L] Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs > Hi! > > > >I use Nero for the PC (great program). The problem you are having is > not > >the problem of the coping software but probably the fact that CDR play > >poorly on older CD drives. I have has some problem myself. But trying > >different drives or brand of CDR has solve them, > > Nearly the same problems here: > > I got the Roland CD-5 drive from the United States to me (here in > Europe) > but could not use it as it only works with original (not burned) disks. > Even copied disk in single speed mode (normally better readable) did not > make the job. > So the CD-5 is lying around and I had to buy a Sony cdrom drive... > This one is working fine with every cdrom! > > Ciao > Peter > > http://www.ullrich.at.tt > > Iozjiݱ硶 0 \wÛ¢o삺. j+z)íŸ€í·¢*' - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jul 4 14:43:04 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15609 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:43:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:43:04 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407041843.OAA15609@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15605 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:43:03 -0400 Received: from pool0444.cvx4-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.178.147.189] helo=rhoffmanix) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BhBxC-0007ST-00; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:43:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c461f6$502270e0$bd93b2d1@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Jesse Segovia" Cc: "SGroup List" References: <26625375.1088714521289.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <002a01c46127$e92129a0$8fabb2d1@netcom.com> <40E76A19.5000306@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:39:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Actually a wise man I use to work with me, when I was working with a company which made and duplicated floppies, actually told me 2 things. 1). A used floppy is a good floppy. 2.) The best luck I've had with CDR's turn out to be: use the cheapest brands. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: Randy Hoffman Cc: SGroup List Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs > You may be right. Which CDR brands work best for you? > > Jesse > > Randy Hoffman wrote: > > >I use Nero for the PC (great program). The problem you are having is not > >the problem of the coping software but probably the fact that CDR play > >poorly on older CD drives. I have has some problem myself. But trying > >different drives or brand of CDR has solve them, > > > >Randy > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jesse Segovia > >To: SGroup List > >Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:42 PM > >Subject: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs > > > > > > > > > >>What software is out there today that will allow me to make CD backups of > >> > >> > >Roland-formatted CDs? I guess Chickensys will let me do it when full Roland > >support is available, but what about now? > > > > > >>I used to make them with some CD copying software, not Toast - I forget > >> > >> > >the name. But the CDs were terrible - my S-760 would read maybe half of the > >sounds but fail with Read errors on the rest. I never got one perfect CD > >out of it. > > > > > >>Jesse > >> > >> > >>- > >>Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > >>For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > >>and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jul 4 14:43:33 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15639 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:43:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:43:33 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407041843.OAA15639@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15635 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2004 14:43:32 -0400 Received: from pool0444.cvx4-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.178.147.189] helo=rhoffmanix) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BhBxf-0005iI-00; Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:43:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c461f6$619636e0$bd93b2d1@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: , "James Yanisko" References: Subject: Re: sgroup w-30 disk drive error Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:40:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; One alternative is to try cleaning the drive if you can get a hold of a cleaner. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: James Yanisko To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: sgroup w-30 disk drive error > > my w30 reads "disk load error ... 10" on boot up instead of insert system > disk. do you think i just need a new disk drive?? and if so, what brand > drives and versions are known to work with the w30? > James > > -- > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 14:37:48 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05249 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:37:48 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407061837.OAA05249@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca (smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca [192.197.186.122]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05245 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:37:46 -0400 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:25:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:25:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I use Roxio Toast v4 on Mac and it makes perfect copies of Roland CDRs, also Akai S1000. original msg: I used to make them with some CD copying software, not Toast - I forget the name. But the CDs were terrible - my S-760 would read maybe half of the sounds but fail with Read errors on the rest. I never got one perfect CD out of it. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 14:40:18 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05361 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:40:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:40:18 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407061840.OAA05361@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca (smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca [192.197.186.122]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05357 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:40:18 -0400 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:27:25 -0400 Message-ID: To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Managing sounds Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:27:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Zips are not reliable. My drive croaked, and left me with the Zips I'd made but no way to save changes or new files. I could buy another Zip drive but same thing could happen. I would love a way to burn S760 CDRs from my own work. >It's all very easy to set this up on a ZIP disk.. Why bother with all the hassles of trying to make CDs - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 14:55:50 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06005 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:55:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:55:50 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407061855.OAA06005@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca (smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca [192.197.186.122]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05999 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:55:49 -0400 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:40:27 -0400 Message-ID: To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Managing sounds Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:40:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; >I still think that many regular people - not creators of libraries for sale >- use one sample per partial. Simpler.. On my S760 I created a snare partial as part of a drumkit which has four levels of velocity each triggering a different snare sample, mixing progressively more rim. Other parts of the kit: hihat, ride, toms, use up to 3 samples. Bass drum uses two. This eats up polyphony in busy passages, which is why I opted for two 760s. I also created an acoustic piano patch sampling an RD600 with two levels for most notes (not required for upper voices). For synth samples I usually use one sample per partial per given interval, ie C through D#, E through G, G# through B. This minimizes munchkin effects on stuff with a pronounced envelope. With bass synth patches I have found that to my ears this is not as necessary as the quicker envelope works better for higher bass notes, and stretching them out in the bottom also helps. (This a form of keyboard tracking I suppose.) Plus you usually only need one-and-a-half octaves or so for a bass patch. I'll stick the bass patch on the left and a pad or something useful on the right. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 15:06:43 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06479 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:06:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:06:43 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407061906.PAA06479@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06475 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:06:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BhvGw-0004c8-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:06:30 -0400 Message-ID: <26574783.1089140790292.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:06:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Subject: sgroup What should I sample on the Roland XP-10? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; My daughter is playing in the pit orchestra for a local summer production of 'Once On This Island' and gets to keep a Roland XP-10 around the house for a few weeks, so I'm thinking of sampling it into my S-760. What do I need to sample on this keyboard? I hear the brighter acoustic pianos are good, as are the B3 organ patches, flutes & brass. 'Anything else? How's the percussion on this guy (is ther percussion on this guy?)? Overall I hear this isn't one of the best synths Roland ever put out. Isn't this based on the XP/XV/JV sample/synth engine? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 15:10:20 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06647 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:10:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:10:20 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407061910.PAA06647@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06624 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:10:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BhvKg-0000B7-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:10:22 -0400 Message-ID: <5385079.1089141022837.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:10:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Subject: sgroup How to Sample a Piano Patch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; If you've got a synth with a very nice piano patch, how do you go about sampling it? How many notes per octave, and how long a sample? I've got 32Mb in my 760 so I guess I could sample every single note and let them sustain for seconds each - do I need or want to do that? Do most people go with velocity switching, and if so do you use 2 or 3 different velocity switched notes for each key? I'm thinking of having my sequencer trigger each note on the synth at the same exact velocity, especially if I'm going to sample at different velocities and set up velocity switching - this is going to take me all week! Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 15:12:24 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06740 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:12:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:12:24 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407061912.PAA06740@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06736 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:12:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BhvMf-0008E3-00; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:12:25 -0400 Message-ID: <18258174.1089141145555.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:12:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca, sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; What CD-ROM drive are you using with your S-760? I've got one of the 4X Apples and as I said it wouldn't reliably play CDRs. Jesse Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > I use Roxio Toast v4 on Mac and it makes perfect copies of Roland CDRs, also > Akai S1000. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 15:58:55 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08665 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:58:55 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407061958.PAA08665@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca (smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca [192.197.186.122]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08661 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:58:54 -0400 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:47:05 -0400 Message-ID: To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:46:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Has anyone else noticed that when you eject a disk or try to change a CDROM before exiting disk load the 760 has a fit and says "Please insert disk"? It this because until you go back to Performance Play it is still reading the disk? -----Original Message----- From: Detko, Ralph: OS_TDO Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:44 PM To: 'Jesse Segovia' Subject: RE: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs I's an old Apple one, a CD-300. It was quoted in the 760 quick reference manual and had two stars, meaning it was tested with the 760 and proven to be the most reliable. It's pretty reliable and reasonably quick and cost only $25. You have to be careful sometimes. I found the CD drive has to be on with a disc loaded and the green light on *before* you turn on the 760, or the 760 may not be able to see the drive when it scans for SCSI peripherals. After that you can change disks, but you have to exit disk load mode to performance play, then go back before you can read the new disk. You may also have to perform a drive scan. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Segovia [mailto:jsegovia@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:12 PM To: Detko, Ralph: OS_TDO; sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs What CD-ROM drive are you using with your S-760? I've got one of the 4X Apples and as I said it wouldn't reliably play CDRs. Jesse Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > I use Roxio Toast v4 on Mac and it makes perfect copies of Roland CDRs, also > Akai S1000. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 16:29:44 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09925 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:29:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:29:44 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407062029.QAA09925@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09921 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:29:43 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.24.5a78ec7e (4320) for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <24.5a78ec7e.2e1c6596@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:29:10 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1089145750" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1089145750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be honest I think the whole Roland technology is crappy. By that I am not referring to their sound quality. They got that made in the shade but all the stuff you have to go through just to get things working is ridiculous. I can't even begin to tell you how many things I've tried with the S760. SCSI, ZIP, Jaz, etc and most of them are a problem. If it's not this, it's that or... Today I went out to look at a VS1880 and almost purchased it. Went to Roland's website just to get a simple starter guide to try it out and even that took you through a lot of changes. I want to record and do it now. I am not trying to go back to school. To be honest I am going to get rid of my S-760 and just stick to stuff that makes life easy and allow you to make money with a minimum of procedures. What we need to do is start letting these manufacturers know they need to start pleasing us and not giving us these gears that work according to how they want it to work. It should be how we want it to work not them. After all we are supporting the product. And I do not believe this is impossible to accomplish. I may have open up a can of worms but that was not my intention. Just letting you folks know how I honestly feel about the whole thing and not been hypocritical aboput it. If you folks decide on responding that's kool but this is only my two cents and I won't start any long drwan out discussions with anyone about this. Not that anyone will want to argue with me don't get me wrong. But just in case. I am still as always kool as always. And BTW thanks to everyone that helped. I really appreciate your kind efforts. With me it does not go unappreciated. If you want honesty. Right or wrong, with me you got it. Dave In a message dated 7/6/2004 2:41:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca writes: Zips are not reliable. My drive croaked, and left me with the Zips I'd made but no way to save changes or new files. I could buy another Zip drive but same thing could happen. I would love a way to burn S760 CDRs from my own work. >It's all very easy to set this up on a ZIP disk.. Why bother with all the hassles of trying to make CDs - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -------------------------------1089145750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To be honest I think the whole Roland technology is crappy. By that I a= m=20 not referring to their sound quality. They got that made in the shade but al= l=20 the stuff you have to go through just to get things working is ridiculous. I= =20 can't even begin to tell you how many things I've tried with the S760. SCSI,= =20 ZIP, Jaz, etc and most of them are a problem. If it's not this, it's that=20 or...
 
Today I went out to look at a VS1880 and almost purchased it. Went to=20 Roland's website just to get a simple starter guide to try it out and even t= hat=20 took you through a lot of changes. I want to record and do it now. I am not=20 trying to go back to school.
 
To be honest I am going to get rid of my S-760 and just stick to stuff=20= that=20 makes life easy and allow you to make money with a minimum of procedures.
 
What we need to do is start letting these manufacturers know they need=20= to=20 start pleasing us and not giving us these gears that work according to how t= hey=20 want it to work. It should be how we want it to work not them. After all we=20= are=20 supporting the product.
 
And I do not believe this is impossible to accomplish.
 
I may have open up a can of worms but that was not my intention. Just=20 letting you folks know how I honestly feel about the whole thing and no= t=20 been hypocritical aboput it. If you folks decide on responding that's kool b= ut=20 this is only my two cents and I won't start any long drwan out discussions w= ith=20 anyone about this. Not that anyone will want to argue with me don't get me=20 wrong. But just in case.
 
I am still as always kool as always.
 
And BTW thanks to everyone that helped. I really appreciate your kind=20 efforts. With me it does not go unappreciated.
 
If you want honesty. Right or wrong, with me you got it.
 
Dave
 
In a message dated 7/6/2004 2:41:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca writes:
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Zips=20 are not reliable. My drive croaked, and left me with the Zips I'd made
= but=20 no way to save changes or new files. I could buy another Zip drive but
= same=20 thing could happen.

I would love a way to burn S760 CDRs from my o= wn=20 work.


>It's all very easy to set this up on a ZIP disk..
= Why=20 bother with all the hassles of trying to make CDs
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For subscription information, send mail to=20 majordomo@sgroup.ca
and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for=20= more=20 information.
 
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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 18:13:53 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14232 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:13:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:13:53 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407062213.SAA14232@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14228 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:13:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 16139 invoked by uid 65534); 6 Jul 2004 22:13:25 -0000 Received: from dsl-082-082-214-047.arcor-ip.net (EHLO WrkStn1) (82.82.214.47) by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 07 Jul 2004 00:13:25 +0200 X-Authenticated: #670536 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:10:03 +0200 From: Chris Reply-To: Chris X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1718497950.20040707001003@gmx.net> To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds In-Reply-To: <24.5a78ec7e.2e1c6596@aol.com> References: <24.5a78ec7e.2e1c6596@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Dac> To be honest I think the whole Roland technology is crappy. Dac> By that I am not referring to their sound quality. They got that Dac> made in the shade but all the stuff you have to go through just Dac> to get things working is ridiculous. I can't even begin to tell Dac> you how many things I've tried with the S760. SCSI, ZIP, Jaz, etc Dac> and most of them are a problem. If it's not this, it's that or... Strange, I don't understand what the problem for all of you here? I just picked *any* SCSI HD I could get in '94 (it was a Quantum Fireball 850Meg) and *any* CD-R (a Sanyo CDR-254) and put in in a small enclosure and attached an external powersupply and a self-made SCSI-cable to connect to the S-760. And what shall I say?? It worked like a charm from the first moment on!! You can read about my experiences here: http://www.tonmann.com/s760.html There is no "magic" needed to get thing running: Just SCSI-II compatible stuff - that's all! Of course it is *very* annoying that there are STILL no tools avaliable to build S700-formatted CDs, but this is no reason to call the whole format "crap". From the technical view it actually even seems to be a bit more sophisticated that AKAI's S1000/3000 format. The only realy bad thing here is, that Roland's filesystem does not support partitions, so you can only use a bit more than 600megs per HD. But that's all "bad" I can find about this... regards, Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 6 23:19:22 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26789 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:19:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:19:22 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407070319.XAA26789@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26785 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:19:20 -0400 Received: from pool0061.cvx4-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.178.146.61] helo=rhoffmanix) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bi2xq-0003nb-00; Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c463d1$10ccfa00$3d92b2d1@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:18:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; You can have this same problem just making audio CD's on a PC and playing them on older CD players. I don't think it is the software but the CDrom drive or the CDR blanks. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: RE: sgroup Backups of Roland-formatted CDs > > I use Roxio Toast v4 on Mac and it makes perfect copies of Roland CDRs, also > Akai S1000. > > > original msg: > > I used to make them with some CD copying software, not Toast - I forget the > name. But the CDs were terrible - my S-760 would read maybe half of the > sounds but fail with Read errors on the rest. I never got one perfect CD > out of it. > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jul 7 10:11:35 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21621 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:11:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:11:35 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407071411.KAA21621@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21617 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:11:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BiD94-0002KZ-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:11:34 -0400 Message-ID: <33003807.1089209494064.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:11:34 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Subject: sgroup Manual for XP-10? How to save patches? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; As I mentioned my daughter gets to use the schools XP-10 for her pit orchestra but we can't figure out how to move patches around. It seems to have a user bank and only one preset bank (shouldn't it have more?) but shouldn't we be able to save preset patches in the user bank area? We want to save the patches she needs for the show in the right order. 'Anyone know if I can download the manual online? No luck with my google search. Thanks! Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jul 7 10:33:30 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22557 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:33:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:33:30 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407071433.KAA22557@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay1.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay1.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.71]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22553 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:33:29 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust26.tnt10.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.120.26]) by dhuumrelay1.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i67EWvq2004404; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:32:58 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:32:47 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: DAJA300@aol.com From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: <24.5a78ec7e.2e1c6596@aol.com> Message-Id: <8453DEBD-D022-11D8-B960-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Dienstag, 06.07.04 um 22:29 Uhr schrieb DAJA300@aol.com: > I can't even begin to tell you how many things I've tried with the > S760. SCSI, ZIP, Jaz, etc and most of them are a problem. If it's not > this, it's that or... > I've been using my S-760 with a ZIP drive for many years now with almost no problems. The only prob I once had was a cracked solder joint in the ZIP drive's power supply (of course this happened at a gig and of course the drive still worked fine during the sound check...). This would probably not have happened if I had left the power supply's innards in its wall wart enclosure instead of mounting it into my rack. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jul 7 10:33:36 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22564 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:33:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:33:36 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407071433.KAA22564@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay1.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay1.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.71]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22558 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:33:34 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust26.tnt10.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.120.26]) by dhuumrelay1.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i67EX3q2004411; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:33:03 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:32:53 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <881BC35F-D022-11D8-B960-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Dienstag, 06.07.04 um 20:27 Uhr schrieb Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca: > > Zips are not reliable. My drive croaked, and left me with the Zips I'd > made > but no way to save changes or new files. I could buy another Zip drive > but > same thing could happen. > > I would love a way to burn S760 CDRs from my own work. > With Toast you can also copy a Roland formatted ZIP disk (or other SCSI media) to a CD-ROM. I've done this many times with my small SCSI harddisk. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jul 7 15:25:15 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02400 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:25:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:25:15 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407071925.PAA02400@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02396 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:25:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i67JPE13046969; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:25:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i67JPDu4075095; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:25:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407071925.i67JPDu4075095@localhost.generalconcepts.com> From: John Sellens To: DAJA300@aol.com, debus@cityweb.de Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; | Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:33:40 +0200 | From: Ingo Debus | | Am Donnerstag, 01.07.04 um 03:35 Uhr schrieb DAJA300@aol.com: | | > Guys I find the information very useful. I do not have a manual so I | > saved everything. | > | | Have you seen the file 760clinic.pdf ("The Roland S-760 demystified", | it's on the web somewhere)? It does not replace the manual but better | than nothing. FYI: It's available at http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/docs/ as S760_Demystified.pdf Cheers! John - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jul 7 21:48:30 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18308 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:48:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:48:30 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407080148.VAA18308@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from ctb-mesg6.saix.net (ctb-mesg6.saix.net [196.25.240.78]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18304 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:48:28 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.5] (rndf-144-75.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.144.75]) by ctb-mesg6.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02254A617 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:42:56 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.tiscali.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <881BC35F-D022-11D8-B960-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> References: <881BC35F-D022-11D8-B960-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:42:48 +0200 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; >With Toast you can also copy a Roland formatted ZIP disk (or other >SCSI media) to a CD-ROM. I've done this many times with my small >SCSI harddisk. I also do this successfully. I also store disk images of my Zips as backups. (very useful) However, it is impossible to rewrite the images back to Zip (on Mac at least, using Toast) as you always get an error message that there is not enough room on the target zip disk. Has anyone ever solved this? I had one corrupted Zip disk, and wanted to write the image back to a Zip, but cannot achieve this. Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 8 02:45:18 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30633 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:45:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:45:18 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407080645.CAA30633@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30629 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:45:17 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.1ec.24ad8b49 (4418) for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ec.24ad8b49.2e1e475f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:44:47 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1089269087" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1089269087 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John that's a plus. Nice pdf work! I already learned some things from it. Thanks Dave In a message dated 7/7/2004 3:25:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jsellens@generalconcepts.com writes: | Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:33:40 +0200 | From: Ingo Debus | | Am Donnerstag, 01.07.04 um 03:35 Uhr schrieb DAJA300@aol.com: | | > Guys I find the information very useful. I do not have a manual so I | > saved everything. | > | | Have you seen the file 760clinic.pdf ("The Roland S-760 demystified", | it's on the web somewhere)? It does not replace the manual but better | than nothing. FYI: It's available at http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/docs/ as S760_Demystified.pdf Cheers! John -------------------------------1089269087 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John that's a plus. Nice pdf work! I already learned some things f= rom=20 it.
 
Thanks
Dave
 
In a message dated 7/7/2004 3:25:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 jsellens@generalconcepts.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>| Date:=20 Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:33:40 +0200
| From: Ingo Debus=20 <debus@cityweb.de>
|
| Am Donnerstag, 01.07.04 um 03:35 Uhr=20 schrieb DAJA300@aol.com:
|
| > Guys I find the information very=20 useful. I do not have a manual so I
| > saved everything.
|=20 >
|
| Have you seen the file 760clinic.pdf ("The Roland S-760=20 demystified",
| it's on the web somewhere)? It does not replace the ma= nual=20 but better
| than nothing.

FYI: It's available at
  &nb= sp;=20 http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/docs/
as=20 S760_Demystified.pdf

Cheers!

John
 
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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 8 02:52:51 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30954 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:52:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:52:51 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407080652.CAA30954@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30950 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:52:51 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.d6.ec0fa6f (4418) for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 02:52:19 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1089269539" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1089269539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Though I had it priced before, now I am not sure. I just purchased an HP drive 1GB and so far it's behaving fine. I'll just give it some time and see what happens next. The pdf I recently downloaded that was posted by John is a great help. I have some of them but noticed some new docs in there. I just purchased the VS1880 today and was able to do lots with it even before digging into the manual. For now it's all a wait and see. Dave In a message dated 7/6/2004 5:30:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stevelanday@yahoo.com writes: Dave, It sounds like something else would be better for you then a S760 or a VS1880 according to your needs. My opinion is that I dont find it unusual for there to be a fair learning curve for a piece of sophisticated electronics equipment like these device you mention. Not saying that is the trouble your having, but I'm referring to your comment about you wanting to start recording right away and quickly. :) But then my needs are different. I bought my 1st 760 last year and I didnt really have much trouble with it. I was able to use a CDrom drive and an ext HD without much problem other than SCSI id issues between things at first. I dont agree however that Roland Technology is crappy, if it really was i dont think they'd have made such highly regarded and sucessfull music equipment as the two devices you mentioned. Hope you find something better to suit your needs Dave. How much for your 760 by the way? -Steve DAJA300@aol.com wrote: To be honest I think the whole Roland technology is crappy. By that I am not referring to their sound quality. They got that made in the shade but all the stuff you have to go through just to get things working is ridiculous. I can't even begin to tell you how many things I've tried with the S760. SCSI, ZIP, Jaz, etc and most of them are a problem. If it's not this, it's that or... Today I went out to look at a VS1880 and almost purchased it. Went to Roland's website just to get a simple starter guide to try it out and even that took you through a lot of changes. I want to record and do it now. I am not trying to go back to school. To be honest I am going to get rid of my S-760 and just stick to stuff that makes life easy and allow you to make money with a minimum of procedures. What we need to do is start letting these manufacturers know they need to start pleasing us and not giving us these gears that work according to how they want it to work. It should be how we want it to work not them. After all we are supporting the product. And I do not believe this is impossible to accomplish. I may have open up a can of worms but that was not my intention. Just letting you folks know how I honestly feel about the whole thing and not been hypocritical aboput it. If you folks decide on responding that's kool but this is only my two cents and I won't start any long drwan out discussions with anyone about this. Not that anyone will want to argue with me don't get me wrong. But just in case. I am still as always kool as always. And BTW thanks to everyone that helped. I really appreciate your kind efforts. With me it does not go unappreciated. If you want honesty. Right or wrong, with me you got it. Dave In a message dated 7/6/2004 2:41:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca writes: Zips are not reliable. My drive croaked, and left me with the Zips I'd made but no way to save changes or new files. I could buy another Zip drive but same thing could happen. I would love a way to burn S760 CDRs from my own work. >It's all very easy to set this up on a ZIP disk.. Why bother with all the hassles of trying to make CDs - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. Dac> To be honest I think the whole Roland technology is crappy. Dac> By that I am not referring to their sound quality. They got that Dac> made in the shade but all the stuff you have to go through just Dac> to get things working is ridiculous. I can't even begin to tell Dac> you how many things I've tried with the S760. SCSI, ZIP, Jaz, etc Dac> and most of them are a problem. If it's not this, it's that or... Strange, I don't understand what the problem for all of you here? I just picked *any* SCSI HD I could get in '94 (it was a Quantum Fireball 850Meg) and *any* CD-R (a Sanyo CDR-254) and put in in a small enclosure and attached an external powersupply and a self-made SCSI-cable to connect to the S-760. And what shall I say?? It worked like a charm from the first moment on!! You can read about my experiences here: http://www.tonmann.com/s760.html There is no "magic" needed to get thing running: Just SCSI-II compatible stuff - that's all! Of course it is *very* annoying that there are STILL no tools avaliable to build S700-formatted CDs, but this is no reason to call the whole format "crap". From the technical view it actually even seems to be a bit more sophisticated that AKAI's S1000/3000 format. The only realy bad thing here is, that Roland's filesystem does not support partitions, so you can only use a bit more than 600megs per HD. But that's all "bad" I can find about this... regards, Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -------------------------------1089269539 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve
 
Though I had it priced before, now I am not sure. I just purchased an H= P=20 drive 1GB and so far it's behaving fine. I'll just give it some time and see= =20 what happens next.
 
The pdf I recently downloaded that was posted by John is a great help.=20= I=20 have some of them but noticed some new docs in there.
 
I just purchased the VS1880 today and was able to do lots with it even=20 before digging into the manual.
 
For now it's all a wait and see.
 
Dave
 
In a message dated 7/6/2004 5:30:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 stevelanday@yahoo.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>
Dave,
 
It sounds like something else would be better for you then a S760 or=20= a=20 VS1880 according to your needs.   My opinion is that I dont find= it=20 unusual for there to be a fair learning curve for a piece of=20 sophisticated electronics equipment like these device you mention.&nb= sp;=20 Not saying that is the trouble your having, but I'm referring to your comm= ent=20 about you wanting to start recording right away and quickly. :)
 
But then my needs are different.  I bought my 1st 760 last year=20= and=20 I didnt really have much trouble with it.  I was able to use a CDrom=20 drive and an ext HD without much problem other than SCSI id issues between= =20 things at first. 
 
I dont agree however that Roland Technology is crappy, if it really w= as i=20 dont think they'd have made such highly regarded and sucessfull music=20 equipment as the two devices you mentioned.
 
Hope you find something better to suit your needs Dave.  How muc= h=20 for your 760 by the way? 
 
-Steve
 
 
 
 
 


DAJA300@aol.com wrote:=20
To be honest I think the whole Roland technology is crappy. By that= I=20 am not referring to their sound quality. They got that made in the shade= but=20 all the stuff you have to go through just to get things working is=20 ridiculous. I can't even begin to tell you how many things I've tried wi= th=20 the S760. SCSI, ZIP, Jaz, etc and most of them are a problem. If it's no= t=20 this, it's that or...
 
Today I went out to look at a VS1880 and almost purchased it. Went=20= to=20 Roland's website just to get a simple starter guide to try it out and ev= en=20 that took you through a lot of changes. I want to record and do it now.=20= I am=20 not trying to go back to school.
 
To be honest I am going to get rid of my S-760 and just stick to st= uff=20 that makes life easy and allow you to make money with a minimum of=20 procedures.
 
What we need to do is start letting these manufacturers know they n= eed=20 to start pleasing us and not giving us these gears that work according t= o=20 how they want it to work. It should be how we want it to work not them.=20 After all we are supporting the product.
 
And I do not believe this is impossible to accomplish.
 
I may have open up a can of worms but that was not my intention. Ju= st=20 letting you folks know how I honestly feel about the whole thing an= d=20 not been hypocritical aboput it. If you folks decide on responding that'= s=20 kool but this is only my two cents and I won't start any long drwan out=20 discussions with anyone about this. Not that anyone will want to argue w= ith=20 me don't get me wrong. But just in case.
 
I am still as always kool as always.
 
And BTW thanks to everyone that helped. I really appreciate your ki= nd=20 efforts. With me it does not go unappreciated.
 
If you want honesty. Right or wrong, with me you got it.
 
Dave
 
In a message dated 7/6/2004 2:41:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca writes:

Zips are not reliable. My drive croaked, and left me with= the=20 Zips I'd made
but no way to save changes or new files. I could buy=20 another Zip drive but
same thing could happen.

I would love= a=20 way to burn S760 CDRs from my own work.


>It's all very e= asy=20 to set this up on a ZIP disk..
Why bother with all the hassles of=20 trying to make CDs
-
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For subscription information, send mail to=20 majordomo@sgroup.ca
and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/=20= for=20 more information.
 

Dac> To be honest I think the whole Roland technology is=20 crappy.
Dac> By that I am not referring to their sound quality. They g= ot=20 that
Dac> made in the shade but all the stuff you have to go through=20 just
Dac> to get things working is ridiculous. I can't even begin to=20 tell
Dac> you how many things I've tried with the S760. SCSI, ZIP, Jaz= ,=20 etc
Dac> and most of them are a problem. If it's not this, it's that=20 or...

Strange, I don't understand what the problem for all of you=20 here?
I just picked *any* SCSI HD I could get in '94 (it was a=20 Quantum
Fireball 850Meg) and *any* CD-R (a Sanyo CDR-254) and put in in=20 a
small enclosure and attached an external powersupply and a=20 self-made
SCSI-cable to connect to the S-760. And what shall I say?? It=20 worked
like a charm from the first moment on!! You can read about=20 my
experiences here: http://www.tonmann.com/s760.html
There is no "mag= ic"=20 needed to get thing running: Just SCSI-II
compatible stuff - that's=20 all!
Of course it is *very* annoying that there are STILL no=20 tools
avaliable to build S700-formatted CDs, but this is no reason to=20 call
the whole format "crap". From the technical view it actually=20 even
seems to be a bit more sophisticated that AKAI's S1000/3000=20 format.
The only realy bad thing here is, that Roland's filesystem does=20 not
support partitions, so you can only use a bit more than 600megs=20 per
HD. But that's all "bad" I can find about=20 this...

regards,
Chris

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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 8 10:18:04 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17312 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:18:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:18:04 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407081418.KAA17312@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca (smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca [192.197.186.122]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17308 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:18:01 -0400 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <3NKR0B23>; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:04:15 -0400 Message-ID: To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: sgroup S220 Quick Disk Drives Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:02:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I happened to drop in to my local Roland Service Centre yesterday with my S220. The QD drive hasn't worked for a few years so I asked them to quote a repair. They said the drive is no longer available (no surprise) and gave me the name of an authorized Roland tech in the area who would service the drive ie if the elastic needed repair or re-seating. Just passing on the info. I always liked this sampler, it has 4 outputs and is quite flexible, though only 4-note polyphony. Good for basses and short loops. The 15kHz sample rate is pleasingly gritty. It's quick and dirty like my Akai S612. I have some sounds I saved on QD a long time ago and was hoping I could revive them. It also has the ability to transfer samples via midi with another S220. Ralph - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 8 10:45:08 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18467 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:45:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:45:08 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407081445.KAA18467@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18463 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:45:05 -0400 Received: from wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.44]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bia94-0000xw-00; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:45:06 -0400 Message-ID: <8875686.1089297906028.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 10:45:06 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca, sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S220 Quick Disk Drives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; This is the rack-mount version of the S-10 keyboard, right? I had an S-10. It sounded great and I was very happy with the sounds it came with (piano, string ensemble) and I even made a few decent samples myself like drum kits featuring snares from Robert Palmer, Scrittit Poliitti and Go West songs - I still have those samples for my S-550. As I recall the S-10 had more than 4 voices, though. But I sold it soon after I got it to help pay for my S-550. I'm really glad I did. The 550 of course took regular floppy disks (only double-density, though) and I sold the S-10 while I could still get a decent price for it. Jesse Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: >I happened to drop in to my local Roland Service Centre yesterday with my >S220. The QD drive hasn't worked for a few years so I asked them to quote a >repair. They said the drive is no longer available (no surprise) and gave me >the name of an authorized Roland tech in the area who would service the >drive ie if the elastic needed repair or re-seating. > >Just passing on the info. I always liked this sampler, it has 4 outputs and >is quite flexible, though only 4-note polyphony. Good for basses and short >loops. The 15kHz sample rate is pleasingly gritty. It's quick and dirty like >my Akai S612. I have some sounds I saved on QD a long time ago and was >hoping I could revive them. >It also has the ability to transfer samples via midi with another S220. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 8 13:05:15 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24316 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:05:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:05:15 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407081705.NAA24316@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24311 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:05:14 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i68H5G13044874 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i68H5A20034063 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:05:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03867 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:00:42 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mainpc.pacbell.net) (dbarton@pacbell.net@66.123.52.189 with login) by smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 20:00:00 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20040707124511.02675ac0@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: skylab2000@pop.compuserve.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:48:31 -0700 To: Ingo Debus From: dennis barton Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca In-Reply-To: <8453DEBD-D022-11D8-B960-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> References: <24.5a78ec7e.2e1c6596@aol.com> <8453DEBD-D022-11D8-B960-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; >I've been using my S-760 with a ZIP drive for many years now with almost >no problems. The only prob I once had was a cracked solder joint in the >ZIP drive's power supply (of course this happened at a gig and of course >the drive still worked fine during the sound check...). This would >probably not have happened if I had left the power supply's innards in its >wall wart enclosure instead of mounting it into my rack. I've been thru a few zip drives over the years, but they are so cheap now it's silly. They cost about $20, so I have backup drives. For live shows, I just bring along floppies just in case a ZIP fails that day after being knocked around a plane.. So far so good, and I think that ZIP is the best choice all around for us. I even have 2 hooked up to the sampler at home so I can make regular backups. |_e_/ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 8 22:32:35 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19193 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:32:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:32:35 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407090232.WAA19193@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.dezzanet.net.au (mail.dezzanet.net.au [203.26.33.12]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19189 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:32:32 -0400 Received: from Cosgs--NOTE.dezzanet.net.au ([203.26.33.161]) by mail.dezzanet.net.au (DezzaNet Mail Server v7.1) with SMTP id UI055509 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:32:27 +1000 Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.1.20040709105251.01af8ec0@mail.dezzanet.net.au> X-Sender: jb@mail.dezzanet.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:32:23 +1000 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Giles Subject: Re: sgroup S220 Quick Disk Drives In-Reply-To: <8875686.1089297906028.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthl ink.net> References: <8875686.1089297906028.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 12:45 AM 9/07/2004, Jesse Segovia wrote: >This is the rack-mount version of the S-10 keyboard, right? ... Yes, the S-10 is the rackmount version of the S-220. I've got a S-220 myself. >As I recall the S-10 had more than 4 voices, though. You can have 4 different sound in memory at once, each with 4 note polyphony. So that's 16 note polyphony in total. Not too bad, i think a lot of other samplers from that era wouldn't have had as much! >But I sold it soon after I got it to help pay for my S-550. I'm really >glad I did. The 550 of course took regular floppy disks (only >double-density, though) and I sold the S-10 while I could still get a >decent price for it. Yeah the S-10/220 is worth just about nothing now! Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > >It also has the ability to transfer samples via midi with another S220. Did you realise you can also transfer samples vai midi to your computer too? It's kinda slow but I find it much more handy than using QDs. Also just incase you didn't know there are quiet a few original roland S-220 samples for download on this forum's web site. http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 10 05:29:18 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31723 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:29:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:29:18 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407100929.FAA31723@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtp3.moose.co.uk (mx65.3.vlan.3d.net.uk [217.169.23.165]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA31719 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:29:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 16539 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 09:29:12 -0000 Received: from 195-102-149-226.adsl.moose.co.uk (HELO [192.168.1.11]) (195.102.149.226) by mx68.moose.co.uk (195.102.144.68) with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2004 09:29:12 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20040709105251.01af8ec0@mail.dezzanet.net.au> References: <8875686.1089297906028.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> <6.0.3.0.1.20040709105251.01af8ec0@mail.dezzanet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <99AF890B-D253-11D8-8F13-003065B5855C@moose.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steve Brodie Subject: Re: sgroup S220 Quick Disk Drives Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:29:10 +0100 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; > At 12:45 AM 9/07/2004, Jesse Segovia wrote: > Yes, the S-10 is the rackmount version of the S-220. I've got a S-220 > myself. I didn't realise this, I have an S10 which I still use, it has one or two great sounds which have proved impossible to replace; strings and brass particularly. I'd love to get my hands on an S220 just to save some space really, if anyone out there has one they don't need anymore - pref. a UK/European version please get in touch either on list or mail me directly. I'm not to fussed whether the QD drive works or not but obviously it would be great if it did. Thanks, Steve Brodie Thetford,Norfolk,England. > > > >> As I recall the S-10 had more than 4 voices, though. > > You can have 4 different sound in memory at once, each with 4 note > polyphony. So that's 16 note polyphony in total. Not too bad, i think > a lot of other samplers from that era wouldn't have had as much! > > >> But I sold it soon after I got it to help pay for my S-550. I'm >> really glad I did. The 550 of course took regular floppy disks (only >> double-density, though) and I sold the S-10 while I could still get a >> decent price for it. > > Yeah the S-10/220 is worth just about nothing now! > > > Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: >> >It also has the ability to transfer samples via midi with another >> S220. > > Did you realise you can also transfer samples vai midi to your > computer too? It's kinda slow but I find it much more handy than using > QDs. Also just incase you didn't know there are quiet a few original > roland S-220 samples for download on this forum's web site. > http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > --------------------------------------------- > This email has been scanned for viruses by the canit Virus and Spam > Service > http://www.moose.co.uk/canit/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 10 09:10:46 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08355 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:10:46 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407101310.JAA08355@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay2.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay2.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.76]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08351 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:10:45 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust56.tnt5.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.32.56]) by dhuumrelay2.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6AD9txP006782; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:09:55 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:09:46 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup S220 Quick Disk Drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: Steve Brodie From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: <99AF890B-D253-11D8-8F13-003065B5855C@moose.co.uk> Message-Id: <6A7FCC5C-D272-11D8-9BA9-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Samstag, 10.07.04 um 11:29 Uhr schrieb Steve Brodie: > I didn't realise this, I have an S10 which I still use, it has one or > two great sounds which have proved impossible to replace; strings and > brass particularly. I'd love to get my hands on an S220 just to save > some space really Since it's the same sample format the S-50/S-550/S-330/W-30 uses (12 bit, 15 kHz or 30 kHz sampling rate) I wonder if it's possible to transfer these samples to the "newer" machines. These might be easier to get. Once it's in S-550/etc. format these samples could even be loaded with a S-760. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 10 12:40:27 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16911 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:40:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:40:27 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407101640.MAA16911@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16907 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:40:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 14025 invoked by uid 65534); 10 Jul 2004 16:39:56 -0000 Received: from dsl-082-082-203-250.arcor-ip.net (EHLO WrkStn1) (82.82.203.250) by mail.gmx.net (mp013) with SMTP; 10 Jul 2004 18:39:56 +0200 X-Authenticated: #670536 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:36:21 +0200 From: Chris Reply-To: Chris X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1153629079.20040710183621@gmx.net> To: Ingo Debus , sgroup@sgroup.ca, Steve Brodie Subject: Re: sgroup S220 Quick Disk Drives In-Reply-To: <6A7FCC5C-D272-11D8-9BA9-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> References: <99AF890B-D253-11D8-8F13-003065B5855C@moose.co.uk> <6A7FCC5C-D272-11D8-9BA9-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; >> I didn't realise this, I have an S10 which I still use, it has one or >> two great sounds which have proved impossible to replace; strings and >> brass particularly. I'd love to get my hands on an S220 just to save >> some space really ID> Since it's the same sample format the S-50/S-550/S-330/W-30 uses (12 ID> bit, 15 kHz or 30 kHz sampling rate) I wonder if it's possible to ID> transfer these samples to the "newer" machines. These might be easier ID> to get. Once it's in S-550/etc. format these samples could even be ID> loaded with a S-760. Hm, if I had the format specs I could include suport for S10/S220 in my x50converter program. I'm also looking fot specs of the W30 format, which seems to differ a lot from the S50/S550 format... Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 10 18:22:05 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30832 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:22:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:22:05 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407102222.SAA30832@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtp3.moose.co.uk (mx65.3.vlan.3d.net.uk [217.169.23.165]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30828 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:22:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 18392 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2004 22:22:05 -0000 Received: from 195-102-149-226.adsl.moose.co.uk (HELO [192.168.1.11]) (195.102.149.226) by mx68.moose.co.uk (195.102.144.68) with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2004 22:22:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6A7FCC5C-D272-11D8-9BA9-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> References: <6A7FCC5C-D272-11D8-9BA9-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <937AA6BC-D2BF-11D8-83EF-003065B5855C@moose.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steve Brodie Subject: Re: sgroup S220 Quick Disk Drives Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:22:06 +0100 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I had thought along similar lines and bought an S330 off ebay some time ago but I haven't found a way to transfer the S10 samples to it, if anyone knows of a way I'd be grateful. Steve On 10 Jul 2004, at 14:09, Ingo Debus wrote: > > > Am Samstag, 10.07.04 um 11:29 Uhr schrieb Steve Brodie: > >> I didn't realise this, I have an S10 which I still use, it has one or >> two great sounds which have proved impossible to replace; strings and >> brass particularly. I'd love to get my hands on an S220 just to save >> some space really > > Since it's the same sample format the S-50/S-550/S-330/W-30 uses (12 > bit, 15 kHz or 30 kHz sampling rate) I wonder if it's possible to > transfer these samples to the "newer" machines. These might be easier > to get. Once it's in S-550/etc. format these samples could even be > loaded with a S-760. > > Ingo > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > --------------------------------------------- > This email has been scanned for viruses by the canit Virus and Spam > Service > http://www.moose.co.uk/canit/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jul 11 11:52:53 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09364 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:52:53 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407111552.LAA09364@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.dezzanet.net.au (mail.dezzanet.net.au [203.26.33.12]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09360 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:52:51 -0400 Received: from Cosgs--NOTE.dezzanet.net.au ([203.26.33.155]) by mail.dezzanet.net.au (DezzaNet Mail Server v7.1) with SMTP id UI055509 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:52:47 +1000 Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.1.20040712015235.01b97f18@mail.dezzanet.net.au> X-Sender: jb@mail.dezzanet.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:52:42 +1000 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Giles Subject: Re: sgroup S220 Quick Disk Drives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Hi, There is some info here http://members.lycos.nl/s10manager/S10tech.html, i'm not totally sure it's want you are looking for but it certainly looks very technical! What does x50converter do? Sounds interesting. In more S-10/220 news the old Roland S-10 Archive page is now gone, but it has been archived by archive.org, see http://web.archive.org/web/20000819003229/www.lpg.fi/S-10/ At 02:36 AM 11/07/2004, you wrote: > >> I didn't realise this, I have an S10 which I still use, it has one or > >> two great sounds which have proved impossible to replace; strings and > >> brass particularly. I'd love to get my hands on an S220 just to save > >> some space really > >ID> Since it's the same sample format the S-50/S-550/S-330/W-30 uses (12 >ID> bit, 15 kHz or 30 kHz sampling rate) I wonder if it's possible to >ID> transfer these samples to the "newer" machines. These might be easier >ID> to get. Once it's in S-550/etc. format these samples could even be >ID> loaded with a S-760. > >Hm, if I had the format specs I could include suport for S10/S220 in >my x50converter program. I'm also looking fot specs of the W30 format, which >seems to differ a lot from the S50/S550 format... > >Chris > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jul 11 12:49:31 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11711 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:49:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:49:31 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407111649.MAA11711@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11707 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:49:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 6216 invoked by uid 65534); 11 Jul 2004 16:48:58 -0000 Received: from dsl-082-082-202-071.arcor-ip.net (EHLO WrkStn1) (82.82.202.71) by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 11 Jul 2004 18:48:58 +0200 X-Authenticated: #670536 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:45:29 +0200 From: Chris Reply-To: Chris X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10510347315.20040711184529@gmx.net> To: Giles , sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S220 Quick Disk Drives In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.1.20040712015235.01b97f18@mail.dezzanet.net.au> References: <6.0.3.0.1.20040712015235.01b97f18@mail.dezzanet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Hi Giles, G> Hi, There is some info here G> http://members.lycos.nl/s10manager/S10tech.html, i'm not totally sure it's G> want you are looking for but it certainly looks very technical! G> What does x50converter do? Sounds interesting. G> In more S-10/220 news the old Roland S-10 Archive page is now gone, but it G> has been archived by archive.org, see G> http://web.archive.org/web/20000819003229/www.lpg.fi/S-10/ Thanks for these links, I'll check them later when I have a bit more spare time ;) The x50converter yet only changes some data on S50 disks to make them readable on S700 based symplers/sampleplayers again. You can find more information about this tool on my s760 page: www.tonmann.com/s760.html I planed to include support for other disk formats a long time ago but didn't do it yet because I was missing detailed informations about the disk-structure these samplers use. cheers, Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jul 22 11:58:32 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18316 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:58:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:58:32 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407221558.LAA18316@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from web20311.mail.yahoo.com (web20311.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.66]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18312 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:58:30 -0400 Message-ID: <20040722155817.33818.qmail@web20311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.231.88.6] by web20311.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:58:17 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: James Yanisko Subject: sgroup rc 100 for sale (and s550 w/ lots of samples) To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Anyone who wants to get their hands on an rc-100 I'm selling mine. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3737595044&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT I'm also selling my s550 with a bunch of samples, and info. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3737593933&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT Let me know if you have any questions, or are interested in buying both for maybe less, or something along those lines, I just need money for school. James __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jul 23 09:49:15 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07913 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:49:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:49:15 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407231349.JAA07913@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [69.90.72.228]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07909 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:49:13 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i6NDnDkt081687 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:49:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i6NDnDth030881 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:49:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mailserver.endero.com (mailserver.endero.com [217.30.188.165]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01779 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:53:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.136] (office-gw-nat.endero.com [83.145.193.253]) by mailserver.endero.com (8.12.10/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6L7mntc013244 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:48:49 +0300 Message-ID: <40FF72B3.5060707@endero.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:54:27 +0300 From: Thomas Malmberg Organization: Endero Oyj User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: sgroup s-330 editor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Hi, I just bought an old s-330 and I would like to know whether there is good editor available for it? It would be very nice to be able to record wav's, and then send them as sysex to the sampler. Also sampling directly and editing the waveforms in the sampler itself is good enough, but creating the patches and other assignments would be very nice to to on the computer screen. I'm now connecting an external 5" b/w monitor to the sampler. This is better than the LCD on the sampler itself, but what could I connect to the digital-out connector (the 15-pin din-looking thing)? Any pinouts available for this? I'm running win XP and DOS 6, so those would be the options for the editor software. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jul 23 11:42:43 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12618 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:42:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:42:43 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407231542.LAA12618@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from piraten.student.lu.se (piraten.student.lu.se [130.235.208.46]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12614 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:42:42 -0400 Received: from e211 (e211.vildanden.afb.lu.se [130.235.170.59]) by piraten.student.lu.se (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I1B009X6A20BT@piraten.student.lu.se> for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:37:13 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:36:55 +0200 From: Thomas Persson Subject: Re: sgroup s-330 editor In-reply-to: <40FF72B3.5060707@endero.com> To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Message-id: <878ydarazs.fsf@spacecentre.se> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="=-=-=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) References: <40FF72B3.5060707@endero.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; --=-=-= Thomas Malmberg writes: > Hi, I just bought an old s-330 and I would like to know whether there > is good editor available for it? It would be very nice to be able to > record wav's, and then send them as sysex to the sampler. Also > sampling directly and editing the waveforms in the sampler itself is > good enough, but creating the patches and other assignments would be > very nice to to on the computer screen. > > I'm now connecting an external 5" b/w monitor to the sampler. This is > better than the LCD on the sampler itself, but what could I connect to > the digital-out connector (the 15-pin din-looking thing)? Any pinouts > available for this? It's an 8-pin din plug. You can connect it to an old EGA digital monitor with the Roland [1]RGB-25i cable. The originals are probably impossible get a hold of. I recently had a friend make one for me from parts found at the local electronics store (Kjell & Company) and it apparently wasn't that difficult. Dunno how hard it is to get your hands on an EGA monitor though, I just happened to have one sitting in my closet. Having a color monitor for the s-330 is pretty cool but not completely necessary. [1] http://www.spacecentre.se/thomas/misc/rgb25i.png > I'm running win XP and DOS 6, so those would be the options for the > editor software. > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBATCoRzdGzUwjc/ERAts0AJwM1XdaCATVLir5GK1TaNlTLWiQzACcDlAT ZSloGTcgUM5BLjqA870cAeo= =rqig -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 24 04:06:29 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21017 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:06:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:06:29 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407240806.EAA21017@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20994 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:06:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.7] (ppp208-196.lns2.syd3.internode.on.net [203.122.208.196]) by smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6O86F4Y072014 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:36:31 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:06:29 +1000 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s-330 editor Message-ID: <3EA5F38C6410CDE5E72AD59E@[192.168.0.7]> In-Reply-To: <878ydarazs.fsf@spacecentre.se> References: <40FF72B3.5060707@endero.com> <878ydarazs.fsf@spacecentre.se> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Thomas Persson wrote: > Thomas Malmberg writes: > > > I'm now connecting an external 5" b/w monitor to the sampler. This is > > better than the LCD on the sampler itself, but what could I connect to > > the digital-out connector (the 15-pin din-looking thing)? Any pinouts > > available for this? > > It's an 8-pin din plug. You can connect it to an old EGA digital > monitor with the Roland [1]RGB-25i cable. While I don't know much about the S-330, I'd be really surprised if it supported an EGA monitor. The S-760, which came later, only supported CGA for the digital monitor output, and Roland wouldn't have bothered supporting a less capable standard than their older gear supported. Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jul 24 09:33:50 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02134 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:33:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:33:50 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407241333.JAA02134@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.69]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02130 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:33:49 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust70.tnt10.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.120.70]) by dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6ODXGZf025308; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:33:17 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:33:07 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup s-330 editor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: Thomas Malmberg From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: <40FF72B3.5060707@endero.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Donnerstag, 22.07.04 um 09:54 Uhr schrieb Thomas Malmberg: > Hi, I just bought an old s-330 and I would like to know whether there > is good editor available for it? It would be very nice to be able to > record wav's, and then send them as sysex to the sampler. Also > sampling directly and editing the waveforms in the sampler itself is > good enough, but creating the patches and other assignments would be > very nice to to on the computer screen. There's a SoundDiver adaptation for the S-330, written by me (actually the very first adaptation I made). But if you ask me it's just as easy to edit the S-330 directly with mouse and monitor. SoundDiver cannot transfer samples from and to the S-330. > I'm now connecting an external 5" b/w monitor to the sampler. This is > better than the LCD on the sampler itself, but what could I connect to > the digital-out connector (the 15-pin din-looking thing)? Any pinouts > available for this? > The pinout and the timing chart is in the Owner's manual, page 11. Did your sampler come with a manual? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jul 25 08:49:38 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27710 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:49:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:49:38 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407251249.IAA27710@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from piraten.student.lu.se (piraten.student.lu.se [130.235.208.46]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27706 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:49:36 -0400 Received: from e211 (e211.vildanden.afb.lu.se [130.235.170.59]) by piraten.student.lu.se (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I1E00GIZRA0HE@piraten.student.lu.se> for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:42:00 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:41:53 +0200 From: Thomas Persson Subject: Re: sgroup s-330 editor In-reply-to: <3EA5F38C6410CDE5E72AD59E@[192.168.0.7]> To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Cc: Message-id: <87smbgntri.fsf@spacecentre.se> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="=-=-=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) References: <40FF72B3.5060707@endero.com> <878ydarazs.fsf@spacecentre.se> <3EA5F38C6410CDE5E72AD59E@[192.168.0.7]> Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; --=-=-= Bernie Maier writes: > Thomas Persson wrote: > >> Thomas Malmberg writes: >> >> > I'm now connecting an external 5" b/w monitor to the sampler. This is >> > better than the LCD on the sampler itself, but what could I connect to >> > the digital-out connector (the 15-pin din-looking thing)? Any pinouts >> > available for this? >> >> It's an 8-pin din plug. You can connect it to an old EGA digital >> monitor with the Roland [1]RGB-25i cable. > > While I don't know much about the S-330, I'd be really surprised if it > supported an EGA monitor. The S-760, which came later, only supported > CGA for the digital monitor output, and Roland wouldn't have bothered > supporting a less capable standard than their older gear supported. Yeah your absolutely right. It should be a CGA monitor. Some EGA monitors can handle a CGA signal though. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBA6qXRzdGzUwjc/ERAvE3AJ0Y8jsW4aR1AgBoPDVOOcXvTCjT8wCeMCJw fxUnOjpZp1rfJJ8a6Apfd0k= =/vfR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 27 10:18:01 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21446 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:18:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:18:01 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407271418.KAA21446@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from web20322.mail.yahoo.com (web20322.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.8]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21421 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:17:41 -0400 Message-ID: <20040727141619.38284.qmail@web20322.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.231.88.6] by web20322.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:16:19 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:16:19 -0700 (PDT) From: James Yanisko Subject: sgroup rc-100 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Before I put it back on ebay, I was wondering if anyone here would be interested in buying a rc-100 remote controll in almost brand new condition. James __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jul 27 11:14:58 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23820 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:14:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:14:58 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407271514.LAA23820@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from web20322.mail.yahoo.com (web20322.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.8]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23816 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:14:57 -0400 Message-ID: <20040727151418.47355.qmail@web20322.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.231.88.6] by web20322.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:14:18 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: James Yanisko Subject: sgroup rc 100 for sale To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Before I put it back on ebay, I was just seeing if anyone wanted to buy a rc-100 remote control in almost brand new condition. 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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jul 28 08:26:07 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13916 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:26:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:26:07 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407281226.IAA13916@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from ns1.kapsch.net (ns1.kapsch.net [148.198.1.84]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13908 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:26:04 -0400 Received: from s060b045.kapsch.co.at (unverified) by ns1.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:26 +0200 Received: from S060VS01.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.40.112]) by s060b045.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:25 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6556.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: sgroup Good News: PS/2 to MSX Mouse Converter is working!!! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:25:25 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Managing sounds Thread-Index: AcReI43zsjCP+DV3RHWYTBWsfj3gxQWUqeHg From: "Ullrich Peter" To: , , "Synth-Diy" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2004 12:25:25.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5E29050:01C4749D] Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Sorry for the crossposting but I think that this information could be interesting for all these=20 groups as I know that some members of each of these groups have Roland = samplers. Some of you know that I designed an Atari or Amiga to MSX-Mouse = converter so that an Atari or Amiga mouse can be used for the Roland Saplers (S330, S550, S760, ...). We discussed that from time to time and I also told you that I want to = design a serial mouse to MSX=20 mouse converter. The software for this type is still unfinished - BUT: Yesterday I built a PS/2 to MSX mouse converter (design from Anikun - a = Japanese guy) as I think=20 that this mouse type is the common type these days. This converter consists of a little PIC18F84 microcontroller and a few = passive components and works=20 fine with a Microsoft PS/2 wheel mouse and my S-760 sampler! I also tested a no name whell mouse but it doesn't work with that one - = I don't know why... Maybe I can find some time to check out other mice as I have a lot of = them at home... Practical part: The schematics and info files (thanks to JP Grobler for the English = translation) are on my mouse=20 converter page. You can reach it from my music/Sampler pages (S330, S550 = and S760)=20 at www.ullrich.at.tt or use the direct link: http://home.pages.at/pullrich/mousecon.htm Please respect the copyright of Anikun - you can build your own = converter but you are not allowed=20 to make any profit with his design and software! Ciao Peter http://www.ullrich.at.tt=09 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.