From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jun 3 07:54:06 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30010 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:54:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:54:06 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406031154.HAA30010@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA30006 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:54:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 22351 invoked by uid 65534); 3 Jun 2004 11:53:34 -0000 Received: from dsl-082-082-213-088.arcor-ip.net (EHLO WrkStn1) (82.82.213.88) by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 03 Jun 2004 13:53:34 +0200 X-Authenticated: #670536 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:51:28 +0200 From: Chris Reply-To: Chris X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <843808981.20040603135128@gmx.net> To: sgroup List Subject: Re: sgroup it's Official - the S-760 Only Supports Akai S-1000 format In-Reply-To: <406895496.20040516143444@columbus.rr.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040516103620.02952100@mail.chickensys.com> <406895496.20040516143444@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Indeed it is on that page since a long time now... Even more confusing I found another page that said it's still in beta stage?! Anyway I REALLY wonder how long it would still take until we finally have a translator that works for Roland users. I don't want to complain here, but the promise to support conversion to Roland format has been made again and again over the years since the approach of translator. You know, I start losing the trust in that promise... Chris G> Justan FYI, it's listed in the hardware source and hardware G> destination columns on this page.... G> http://www.chickensys.com/products/translator/translatorwinavailable.html G> Sunday, May 16, 2004, 12:05:22 PM, you wrote: GH>>It's listed as a source, not as a destination. The pages are clear on that, GH>> unless I'm missing something. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Thu Jun 3 23:49:26 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04720 for sgroup_site5-list; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:49:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:49:26 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406040349.XAA04720@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04716 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:49:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (pow229152.columbus.rr.com [204.210.229.152]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i543nRUM027622 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:49:26 -0400 From: Gaffa Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <67171397.20040603234926@columbus.rr.com> To: sgroup List Subject: Re[2]: sgroup it's Official - the S-760 Only Supports Akai S-1000 format In-Reply-To: <843808981.20040603135128@gmx.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040516103620.02952100@mail.chickensys.com> <406895496.20040516143444@columbus.rr.com> <843808981.20040603135128@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ;
I really wish that Chickensys would just remove the Roland items from their list.  They've been literally promising for years to include the S-7x samplers but Roland support is like trying to find WMD's.  You wish you could find it, but after years it's time to admit that it was only a wish.  Now, what to do with this money I saved by not buying Chickensys?

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Thursday, June 3, 2004, 7:51:28 AM, you wrote:

C> Indeed it is on that page since a long time now... Even more
C> confusing I found another page that said it's still in beta stage?!

C> Anyway I REALLY wonder how long it would still take until we finally
C> have a translator that works for Roland users.

C> I don't want to complain here, but the promise to support conversion
C> to Roland format has been made again and again over the years since
C> the approach of translator. You know, I start losing the trust in
C> that promise...

C> Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jun 4 12:09:14 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02973 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:09:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:09:14 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406041609.MAA02973@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02969 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:09:12 -0400 Received: from wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.41]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BWHFg-0003vA-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <6878173.1086365343841.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:09:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Subject: Re: sgroup it's Official - the S-760 Only Supports Akai S-1000 format Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Chickensys said we're just a short time away from full Roland support. One of their staff told me specifically what he was working on - it sounds like we're very close. Having worked for a software company I know these things can take time, often more time than anticipated. Jesse Gaffa wrote: > I really wish that Chickensys would just remove the Roland items from their list. They've been literally promising for years to include the S-7x samplers but Roland support is like trying to find WMD's. You wish you could find it, but after years it's time to admit that it was only a wish. Now, what to do with this money I saved by not buying Chickensys? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jun 4 12:16:06 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03253 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:16:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:16:06 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406041616.MAA03253@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mxsf19.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf19.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.219]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03249 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:16:05 -0400 Received: from cb56611-h.chickensys.com (c68.112.156.121.stc.mn.charter.com [68.112.156.121]) by mxsf19.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i54GEM7h019572 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040604110006.06a92ba0@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:12:11 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Garth Hjelte Subject: sgroup S-7x conversions In-Reply-To: <67171397.20040603234926@columbus.rr.com> References: <843808981.20040603135128@gmx.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040516103620.02952100@mail.chickensys.com> <406895496.20040516143444@columbus.rr.com> <843808981.20040603135128@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 11:49 PM 6/3/04 -0400, you wrote: >I really wish that Chickensys would just remove the Roland items from >their list. They've been literally promising for years to include the >S-7x samplers but Roland support is like trying to find WMD's. You wish >you could find it, but after years it's time to admit that it was only a >wish. Now, what to do with this money I saved by not buying Chickensys? It's just a matter of preference. We post it because we know it's going to be done sooner or later. We don't promise when, because only 3-4 people (at most) are going to buy Translator if it has this feature. I'm sure you can handle the fact that we post it as being supported in the future, but don't say when. I'm sure you know the vaporware rule "if it's not shippable today, consider it as non-existent for life." You should have assumed, for practical reasons, that this is never going to exist. But we say it will, so at least you are not in the dark. THEY ARE NOT PROMISES. We are sorry it's not out yet, but let me make it perfectly clear we've never promised when, because that question is out of our hands. I have given the forum here periodic updates on the progress, I thought that was the right thing to do. I think you missed the post where we mentioned that we completed the XV stuff and it's a very short hop between that and S-7x implementation. Again, they are progress reports, not promises. I hope that clears things up for you guys. Garth Hjelte Sampler User - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jun 4 12:49:03 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04628 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:49:03 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406041649.MAA04628@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.228]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04624 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:49:02 -0400 Received: from cb56611-h.chickensys.com (c68.112.156.121.stc.mn.charter.com [68.112.156.121]) by mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i54GkRF4053424 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040604113531.025a87b0@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:44:36 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Garth Hjelte Subject: sgroup S-7x Conversions pt 2 response In-Reply-To: <2558244.1086365201913.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthl ink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 12:06 PM 6/4/04 -0400, you wrote: > > I'm just finishing up including S-7x format inclusion in Translator, I > spent last week going over more XV-5080 things and all of it is related > (the XV practically uses the same format). > > > > It works tons better than Convert Load, at compensates for things that > the Akai could overload the Roland on into a better scheme. > > > > I'll email when we've got it all ready, I hope first part of next week. >Having worked for a software company, I know it can take longer than you >expected to get things right, so I understand this may take longer than >originally thought, but can you give me some idea when Chickensys with >full Roland support will be released? We are at the same place; here's some specifics: Two functions need to be written, converting the XV patch to S-7x patch (and perf too). THis is the hardest, but pretty cut a dried. The other is taking the XV partials and samples (and the new patch and perf if there is one) into S-7x form, which is easier becuase it's just stuffing the sasme formt into another structure. Then it's ready to be tested. (BTW< writing to a Roland disk is already done) This is a days work, but who has a day? =) >And what are the prices for the full product and the Roland-only product? $149.95 for full, $79.95 for the Roland edition. Sorry for the viriol, but your feedback (even with the WMD reference) is beneficial - if there is noise, we pay attention. Garth Hjelte Sampler User - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jun 4 12:59:51 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05083 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:59:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:59:51 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406041659.MAA05083@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05079 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:59:50 -0400 Received: from wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.41]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BWI2o-00081d-00; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:59:50 -0400 Message-ID: <9610245.1086368390313.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:59:50 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: Garth Hjelte , sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S-7x Conversions pt 2 response Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Great news. Let us know when it's all set. I for one can't wait to be able to burn all my wav. files and Akai samples onto Roland S-700 formatted CDs from my laptop! Garth Hjelte wrote: > Sorry for the viriol, but your feedback (even with the WMD reference) is > beneficial - if there is noise, we pay attention. Was this in response to another post? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jun 4 14:03:29 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07716 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:03:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:03:29 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406041803.OAA07716@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07712 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:03:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 18867 invoked by uid 65534); 4 Jun 2004 18:02:59 -0000 Received: from dsl-082-082-191-013.arcor-ip.net (EHLO WrkStn1) (82.82.191.13) by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 04 Jun 2004 20:02:59 +0200 X-Authenticated: #670536 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:00:51 +0200 From: Chris Reply-To: Chris X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <21785257.20040604200051@gmx.net> To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S-7x conversions In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040604110006.06a92ba0@mail.chickensys.com> References: <843808981.20040603135128@gmx.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040516103620.02952100@mail.chickensys.com> <406895496.20040516143444@columbus.rr.com> <843808981.20040603135128@gmx.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040604110006.06a92ba0@mail.chickensys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; GH> It's just a matter of preference. We post it because we know it's going to GH> be done sooner or later. We don't promise when, because only 3-4 people (at GH> most) are going to buy Translator if it has this feature. Yes, because all others who waited for that feature for years have lost interest and trust in translator meanwhile. :-/ GH> I'm sure you can handle the fact that we post it as being supported in the GH> future, but don't say when. I'm sure you know the vaporware rule "if it's GH> not shippable today, consider it as non-existent for life." You should have GH> assumed, for practical reasons, that this is never going to exist. But we GH> say it will, so at least you are not in the dark. But that's like keeping someone in prison and telling him "I'll let you go one day, but I won't tell you when." ;) It's a shame enough that Roland themself never managed to bring out such an app or at least make the specs available to programers who were willing to write it... GH> THEY ARE NOT PROMISES. GH> We are sorry it's not out yet, but let me make it perfectly clear we've GH> never promised when, because that question is out of our hands. I have GH> given the forum here periodic updates on the progress, I thought that was GH> the right thing to do. Sure, but there WAS such a promise a long time ago on the chickensys' homepage and this is almost 2 years ago. Meanwhile is has been removed and replaced by some oppositional statements about S7xx implementation status: 1) http://chickensys.com/support/software/translator/roland/ 2) http://chickensys.com/support/software/translator/roland/akai.html Why do you write "supported" on the 1st page?? Supported means to me, that the available program actually DOES the claimed job and NOT that only a few beta testers can play around with it. By the way: I also tried to build a app once that can build S7xx CD-images but didn't manage it because Roland did never release the specs of their own formats. So now that you guys at chickensys work together with Roland I can imagine that they gave you the missing specs...so I just wonder what's still so much complicating that it takes so long? regards, Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 6 07:47:59 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13691 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:47:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:47:59 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406061147.HAA13691@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13687 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:47:57 -0400 Received: from epu (176.new-york-19rh16rt.ny.dial-access.att.net[12.75.155.176]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <20040606114717111008q0q6e>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:47:17 +0000 From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: RE: sgroup S-7x conversions Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 07:47:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c44bbc$02eda4c0$b09b4b0c@epu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <21785257.20040604200051@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Lmao, Now all we need is for someone to break the 600MB Hard Disc Limit and the 32MB Max barrier and we're set! Later, Harold -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 2:01 PM To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S-7x conversions GH> It's just a matter of preference. We post it because we know it's going to GH> be done sooner or later. We don't promise when, because only 3-4 people (at GH> most) are going to buy Translator if it has this feature. Yes, because all others who waited for that feature for years have lost interest and trust in translator meanwhile. :-/ GH> I'm sure you can handle the fact that we post it as being supported in the GH> future, but don't say when. I'm sure you know the vaporware rule "if it's GH> not shippable today, consider it as non-existent for life." You should have GH> assumed, for practical reasons, that this is never going to exist. But we GH> say it will, so at least you are not in the dark. But that's like keeping someone in prison and telling him "I'll let you go one day, but I won't tell you when." ;) It's a shame enough that Roland themself never managed to bring out such an app or at least make the specs available to programers who were willing to write it... GH> THEY ARE NOT PROMISES. GH> We are sorry it's not out yet, but let me make it perfectly clear we've GH> never promised when, because that question is out of our hands. I have GH> given the forum here periodic updates on the progress, I thought that was GH> the right thing to do. Sure, but there WAS such a promise a long time ago on the chickensys' homepage and this is almost 2 years ago. Meanwhile is has been removed and replaced by some oppositional statements about S7xx implementation status: 1) http://chickensys.com/support/software/translator/roland/ 2) http://chickensys.com/support/software/translator/roland/akai.html Why do you write "supported" on the 1st page?? Supported means to me, that the available program actually DOES the claimed job and NOT that only a few beta testers can play around with it. By the way: I also tried to build a app once that can build S7xx CD-images but didn't manage it because Roland did never release the specs of their own formats. So now that you guys at chickensys work together with Roland I can imagine that they gave you the missing specs...so I just wonder what's still so much complicating that it takes so long? regards, Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 6 11:53:11 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23671 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:53:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:53:11 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406061553.LAA23671@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.228]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23667 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:53:10 -0400 Received: from mxip14.cluster1.charter.net (mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.144]) by mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i56FoK4m005776 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c68.112.156.121.stc.mn.charter.com (HELO cb56611-h.chickensys.com) (68.112.156.121) by mxip14.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 06 Jun 2004 11:50:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040606095227.0266ab90@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 09:54:29 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Garth Hjelte Subject: RE: sgroup S-7x conversions In-Reply-To: <000e01c44bbc$02eda4c0$b09b4b0c@epu> References: <21785257.20040604200051@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 07:47 AM 6/6/04 -0400, you wrote: >Now all we need is for someone to break the 600MB Hard Disc Limit and >the 32MB Max barrier and we're set! Well, we can always think of the XV as that. =) In my Fantom work with Roland, even THEY only used XV's as the plumbline of comparing Fantom conversion results with the originals. It's easier to manage and you can shove 128mb into the unit, and the interface is better (maybe, I'm not comparing it to the monitor screen). Garth Hjelte Sampler User - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 6 12:12:09 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24457 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:12:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:12:09 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406061612.MAA24457@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24453 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:12:08 -0400 Received: from user-uinj0uk.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.131.212] helo=mindspring.com) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BX0FW-0006v0-00; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:11:55 -0400 Message-ID: <40C34244.9070906@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:11:48 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Harold Everton, Jr." CC: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S-7x conversions References: <000e01c44bbc$02eda4c0$b09b4b0c@epu> In-Reply-To: <000e01c44bbc$02eda4c0$b09b4b0c@epu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >Now all we need is for someone to break the 600MB Hard Disc Limit and >the 32MB Max barrier and we're set! > What are S-760s with the OP expansion card going for these days? To beat the 32Mb limit (and also gain 24 more voices) why not get one more and connect them both to the same CD-ROM drive? And to beat the 600Mb disk limit just buy another disk - I got mine for around $20 on ebay. I'd been going through all my Akai sample CDs and saving all the decent samples to my hard disk so I could load them quicker. But with the new Chickensys coming out I think I'm just going to burn my Akai sample CDs to new Roland-formatted CDs and concentrate on putting together the very best sounds I can to set up the 760 as a kind of SV or XV synth, with samples in general categories (bass, synth, horn, drums, etc.) quickly accessible. Back in the day I had a Jupiter 6 synthwith MIDI channel 1 set with different choppy or brassy 80s synth sounds and channel 2 with different Moog-like bass sounds. I could always turn on my equipment and right away start making music without hunting for basic sounds. I really miss that. Once I get some nice sounds onto my hard disk I'm going to make up a nice general volume of usable sounds in all categories and set up that volume to auto-load, so as soon as my 760 fires up I'm all set to play, record, whatever. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 6 19:12:29 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09219 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:12:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:12:29 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406062312.TAA09219@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09215 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:12:27 -0400 Received: from epu (244.new-york-20rh15-16rt.ny.dial-access.att.net[12.75.156.244]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2004060623115511200eth0pe>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:11:55 +0000 From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: RE: sgroup S-7x conversions Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 19:11:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c44c1b$a76d4280$f49c4b0c@epu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040606095227.0266ab90@mail.chickensys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; "In my Fantom work with Roland, even THEY only used XV's as the plumbline of comparing Fantom conversion results with the originals. It's easier to manage and you can shove 128mb into the unit, and the interface is better (Maybe, I'm not comparing it to the monitor screen)." Yeah, I'm headed for the Roland XV5080 next. They're $800 on eBay, and you can "shove" 128MB into the unit. You also get effects. It's such a shame though that Windows can't communicate with the S760. It'd be so great to have a million virtual hard disks on your hard drive where you could just load sounds into the S760 via SCSI and control it with a program like Sound Diver. It's stuff like that which makes people NOT upgrade. Still though, the S760 is working overtime in my studio. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Mon Jun 7 10:27:47 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14756 for sgroup_site5-list; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:27:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:27:47 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406071427.KAA14756@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14752 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:27:46 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i57ERl13008195 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i57Cwv6r055720 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:58:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.82]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA28085 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:10:31 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO mainpc.pacbell.net) (dbarton@pacbell.net@64.175.110.201 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 13:09:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040604034045.02834778@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: dbarton@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:41:23 -0700 To: sgroup List From: dennis barton Subject: Re[2]: sgroup it's Official - the S-760 Only Supports Akai S-1000 format In-Reply-To: <67171397.20040603234926@columbus.rr.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040513155820.053cfba0@mail.chickensys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20040516103620.02952100@mail.chickensys.com> <406895496.20040516143444@columbus.rr.com> <843808981.20040603135128@gmx.net> <67171397.20040603234926@columbus.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 6/3/2004 08:49 p, Gaffa wrote: >I really wish that Chickensys would just remove the Roland items from >their list. They've been literally promising for years to include the >S-7x samplers but Roland support is like trying to find WMD's. You wish >you could find it, but after years it's time to admit that it was only a >wish. Now, what to do with this money I saved by not buying Chickensys? Roland support will be in there by next week. :) (j/k) |_e_/ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Mon Jun 7 11:37:18 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17614 for sgroup_site5-list; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:37:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:37:18 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406071537.LAA17614@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17610 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:37:17 -0400 Received: from epu (182.new-york-18rh15rt.ny.dial-access.att.net[12.75.153.182]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2004060715364611200kqhpue>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:36:46 +0000 From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: "'sgroup List'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: sgroup it's Official - the S-760 Only Supports Akai S-1000 format Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:36:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c44ca5$3d759f50$b6994b0c@epu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040604034045.02834778@pop.compuserve.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I thought they said tomorrow? Seriously, what will a program like Chicken Sys do for us. Will it allow you to hook up your S760 by SCSI and send say a hard drive full of data and archive it? I remember seeing a user being able to create virtual drives on the hard disc? Are they breaking the Windows/S760 SCSI barrier? I'm already using Disk2File to burn S760 CDs, so that's not an issue, and that program has been around for a while now. It'd be cool to translate different formats and all, but what about storage. Clearly having 7,000 540MB hard drives can't be the most convenient. The 24-Note Polyphony and 32MB aren't hard to deal with. :) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Mon Jun 7 11:37:34 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17643 for sgroup_site5-list; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:37:34 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406071537.LAA17643@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17639 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:37:33 -0400 Received: from epu (182.new-york-18rh15rt.ny.dial-access.att.net[12.75.153.182]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <20040607153704111009nm8re>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:37:04 +0000 From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: "'sgroup List'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: sgroup it's Official - the S-760 Only Supports Akai S-1000 format Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:37:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c44ca5$46e9aa90$b6994b0c@epu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040604034045.02834778@pop.compuserve.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I thought they said tomorrow? Seriously, what will a program like Chicken Sys do for us. Will it allow you to hook up your S760 by SCSI and send say a hard drive full of data and archive it? I remember seeing a user being able to create virtual drives on the hard disc? Are they breaking the Windows/S760 SCSI barrier? I'm already using Disk2File to burn S760 CDs, so that's not an issue, and that program has been around for a while now. It'd be cool to translate different formats and all, but what about storage. Clearly having 7,000 540MB hard drives can't be the most convenient. The 24-Note Polyphony and 32MB aren't hard to deal with. :) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Mon Jun 7 12:19:44 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19408 for sgroup_site5-list; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:19:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:19:44 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406071619.MAA19408@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19404 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:19:43 -0400 Received: from user-uinj509.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.148.9] helo=mindspring.com) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BXMqd-0002lB-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:19:45 -0400 Message-ID: <40C49597.3020507@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:19:35 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SGroup List Subject: Re: sgroup S-7x conversions References: <000201c44c1b$a76d4280$f49c4b0c@epu> In-Reply-To: <000201c44c1b$a76d4280$f49c4b0c@epu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >Yeah, I'm headed for the Roland XV5080 next. They're $800 on eBay > Wow, I had no idea they were that cheap. Loaded 760s can't be too much cheaper. Will XV5080s import wav files directly? > Still though, the S760 is working overtime in my studio. So what are you working on these days? How 'bout an mp3 or two? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Mon Jun 7 12:36:38 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20151 for sgroup_site5-list; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:36:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:36:38 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406071636.MAA20151@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20147 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:36:38 -0400 Received: from user-uinj509.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.148.9] helo=mindspring.com) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BXN71-0001BT-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:36:40 -0400 Message-ID: <40C49994.7060602@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:36:36 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SGroup List Subject: Re: sgroup it's Official - the S-760 Only Supports Akai S-1000 format References: <000001c44ca5$3d759f50$b6994b0c@epu> In-Reply-To: <000001c44ca5$3d759f50$b6994b0c@epu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: >Seriously, what will a program like Chicken Sys do for us. > I believe I can stick a sample CD in any different format in the CD drive of my laptop, read it with Chickensys, and then burn that same data onto a S-700-formatted CD. Or I can transfer the wav files on my hard disk to Roland format and burn those onto a CD. That's a big deal for me! >I'm already using Disk2File to burn S760 CDs > Are you making copies of stuff already in Roland format with this program or are you doing transfers? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 8 00:40:03 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17564 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:40:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:40:03 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406080440.AAA17564@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17560 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:40:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i584e313025637 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:40:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i584e38L020424 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:40:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31598 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:14:20 -0400 Received: from 0-1pool15-242.nas9.clearwater1.fl.us.da.qwest.net ([65.130.15.242] helo=earthlink.net) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 1BXRRn-0003s0-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:14:23 -0700 Message-ID: <410-22004617211612850@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: pablomastodon@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.0.129.0 (Windows) From: "Paul Stein" To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: sgroup S-330 RAM upgrade? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:16:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 3d93def75d7546f77877c82c1df50cba74bf435c0eb9d4782d85dde80212df91a04fb965a478c0cd1165209187a81542350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII if anyone out there knows....is it possible to expand RAM in this unit? Paul Stein pablomastodon@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

if anyone out there knows....is it possible to expand RAM in this unit?
 
 
Paul Stein
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
 

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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 8 01:01:05 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18452 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:01:05 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406080501.BAA18452@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18448 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:01:04 -0400 Received: from epu (161.new-york-20rh15-16rt.ny.dial-access.att.net[12.75.156.161]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2004060805003611200sucr3e>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:00:36 +0000 From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: "'SGroup List'" Subject: RE: sgroup it's Official - the S-760 Only Supports Akai S-1000 format Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c44d15$88be2070$a19c4b0c@epu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <40C49994.7060602@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Hey Jesse, I'm actually working on re-doing my website (evertonrecords.home.att.net). I will post a lot of Mp3s as soon as the site is done. There you will hear myself, my artists, and tracks done with my Roland XP60 and Roland S760. Take Care, Harold - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 8 06:34:12 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32480 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:34:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:34:12 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406081034.GAA32480@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from hnexfe10.hetnet.nl (hnexfe10.hetnet.nl [195.121.6.176]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32476 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:34:10 -0400 Received: from hnexvs05.HETNET.LOCAL ([10.94.9.21]) by hnexfe10.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:33:39 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6526.0 Subject: RE: sgroup S-330 RAM upgrade? 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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jun 18 03:39:35 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05392 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:39:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:39:35 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406180739.DAA05392@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05388 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:39:34 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.55.5a44ed39 (1320) for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55.5a44ed39.2e03f61c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:39:08 EDT Subject: sgroup S76- for sale To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1087544347" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1087544347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks My S-760 is up for sale but please read details very carefully. http://atariweb.paraisocz.com Go to the link on the bottom of that page. A picture is provided. I live in the U.S. Thanks Dave -------------------------------1087544347 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks
 
My S-760 is up for sale but please read details very carefully.
 
 
Go to the link on the bottom of that page. A picture is provided.
 
I live in the U.S.
 
Thanks
Dave
 
-------------------------------1087544347-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Fri Jun 18 03:43:10 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05566 for sgroup_site5-list; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:43:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:43:10 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406180743.DAA05566@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05562 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:43:09 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.2d.3f05de56 (1320) for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2d.3f05de56.2e03f6f0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:42:40 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup S76- for sale To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1087544560" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5113 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1087544560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Responses can easily be sent through the form on the bottom of that page. Dave >> Folks My S-760 is up for sale but please read details very carefully. http://atariweb.paraisocz.com/ Go to the link on the bottom of that page. A picture is provided. I live in the U.S. Thanks Dave<< -------------------------------1087544560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Responses can easily be sent through the form on the bottom of that pag= e.
 
Dave
 
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Folks
 
My S-760 is up for sale but please read details very carefully.
 
 
Go to the link on the bottom of that page. A picture is provided.
 
I live in the U.S.
 
Thanks
Dave<<
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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jun 19 14:14:38 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26354 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:14:38 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406191814.OAA26354@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26350 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:14:37 -0400 Received: from user-uinj4u4.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.147.196] helo=mindspring.com) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BbkMC-0005Ab-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:14:24 -0400 Message-ID: <40D4827C.2050307@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:14:20 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SGroup List Subject: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; So what's up with everyone's gear or studio? 'Anyone doing anything interesting these days, taking some slow summer time to make some interesting tracks or thin out/beef up your racks? Me, I bought a Yamaha TX802 several months ago (you may remember my sgroup thread on whether to get a good DX/TX sample CD for my S-760 or buy a DX synth) and found a good editor/librarian for it, SoundQuest's MidiQuest 9. Great luck with my TX802 - I got all the patches out of my old Atari editor/librarian and now have them in MidiQuest, or MQ format. MQ also lets me dump thousands of DX sysex patches from the internet to my synth and then upload back into MQ format, where I can print out names, audition each patch by clicking on it, put together my own custom banks, etc. But then I tried the same thing with my D-50 and no such luck. At first MQ could get data from the D-50 but couldn't send anything to the synth. Then, after trying a few things recommended by SoundQuest, it no longer reads data from the D-50 - completely incommunicado! The only thing left to try is replacing the ROM, a potentially very expensive proposition with no guarantee of success. Bummer. :( 'Haven't even gotten to try out my D-110 with MQ yet but as I use that synth very little I probably won't get to it. 'Still waiting for Chickensys - I hope to be able to convert my Akai sample CDs to Roland format and quickly convert several Gigs worth of wav samples to Roland formatted CD as well. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jun 19 16:27:48 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31860 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:27:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:27:48 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406192027.QAA31860@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31856 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:27:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 6006 invoked by uid 65534); 19 Jun 2004 20:27:18 -0000 Received: from dsl-80-242-241-24.quicknet.nl (HELO s) (80.242.241.24) by mail.gmx.net (mp025) with SMTP; 19 Jun 2004 22:27:18 +0200 X-Authenticated: #566185 Message-ID: <002101c4563c$11eeb6a0$18f1f250@s> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: Subject: Re: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:29:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; > Subject: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? > > So what's up with everyone's gear or studio? 'Anyone doing anything > interesting these days, taking some slow summer time to make some > interesting tracks or thin out/beef up your racks? Last 2 years I did some heavy home studio investments and I can say I am reasonable happy with my choices. I went the Hardware way though soft synths are becoming usable to me also. But starting out as a guitar player and wanna be able to do things with a band hardware is the way to go till now. I end up using the S - 750 as my nr 1 drum and percussion machine. I already had a jv - 880 but I bought a Korg ms2k (nice), a Virus (Nice), a Microwave 1 (nice but the interface...) and a reasonable mixer ( a Studiomaster trilogy 166). I bought them all used for reasonable prices, also left daisy chaining when I bought an Emagic AMT 8. The thought with this setup was that I can do most mixing on the Studiomaster, using the AMT 8 would provide good timing. I use Cubase to record the whole stuff including guitars (roland gp-100, ada mp1, Berhringer v-amp ). I also have a Boss vf- 1 as my fx processor. I want another fx unit for good reverbs. I was negotiating about a Lexicon MPX - 1 but the deal did not go on. Now I am looking at the TC M 300: http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/thoiw7_tc_m300_studiobundle_prodinfo.html Here it comes together with a cheap mic, but the TC seems to be a very good reverb machine, and I still have more as ennuf space in my mixer for another fx unit. I am just learning and exploring all this fabulous new gear, but I feel very good about this setup and I am convinced I will make some very nice things using this gear. I have put some music things on the Internet, some are quite nice but some are not really 100 %. I want to take my music at least one level higher. If you feel like listening go to: http://www.ic-musicmedia.com/artist_pages/artistpage.php?id=73808 I use used computers, a PII and a PIII. I started in 1996 with my first Cubase on a PI wich could bearly do 4 stereo tracks. In 1996 I also bought my first keyboard, a yamaha psr 500, yep. My sound card is not top notch (like RME or so) but a terratec ews 64 xl. It does the job together with Cubase and is fairly stable on my PII with 256 Mb. Till now no VST's plug ins, just playing around with some softh synths, i like Redrum in Reason (though I do most my drums on the synth-keyboard. Together with 7 guitars I spent a few thousand euro's since I bought my first guitar 20+ years ago. Its not very much but also not nothing. But nowadays good gear is an affordable thing for most people here in Europe and some other parts of the world. The S 750 is a very good example of that. Ok, have a nice evening, Sjaak --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.693 / Virus Database: 454 - Release Date: 31-5-04 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sat Jun 19 23:03:12 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15615 for sgroup_site5-list; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:03:12 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406200303.XAA15615@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15611 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:03:11 -0400 Received: from pool0320.cvx3-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.178.141.65] helo=rhoffmanix) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bbsbz-0005ff-00; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:03:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c45673$03e0abe0$418db2d1@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Jesse Segovia" , "SGroup List" References: <40D4827C.2050307@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:02:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I've uese MidiQuest a long time with the D550 and like you sometimes I have problems getting it going again if I havn't messed with it for a while. I always got it going again. Sometimes I have to re-install the software. Midiquest has a fragile install. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? > > So what's up with everyone's gear or studio? 'Anyone doing anything > interesting these days, taking some slow summer time to make some > interesting tracks or thin out/beef up your racks? > > Me, I bought a Yamaha TX802 several months ago (you may remember my > sgroup thread on whether to get a good DX/TX sample CD for my S-760 or > buy a DX synth) and found a good editor/librarian for it, SoundQuest's > MidiQuest 9. Great luck with my TX802 - I got all the patches out of my > old Atari editor/librarian and now have them in MidiQuest, or MQ > format. MQ also lets me dump thousands of DX sysex patches from the > internet to my synth and then upload back into MQ format, where I can > print out names, audition each patch by clicking on it, put together my > own custom banks, etc. > > But then I tried the same thing with my D-50 and no such luck. At first > MQ could get data from the D-50 but couldn't send anything to the > synth. Then, after trying a few things recommended by SoundQuest, it no > longer reads data from the D-50 - completely incommunicado! > > The only thing left to try is replacing the ROM, a potentially very > expensive proposition with no guarantee of success. Bummer. :( > > 'Haven't even gotten to try out my D-110 with MQ yet but as I use that > synth very little I probably won't get to it. > > 'Still waiting for Chickensys - I hope to be able to convert my Akai > sample CDs to Roland format and quickly convert several Gigs worth of > wav samples to Roland formatted CD as well. > > Jesse > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 20 09:05:12 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08557 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:05:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:05:12 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406201305.JAA08557@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08553 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:05:10 -0400 Received: from user-uinj0vr.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.131.251] helo=mindspring.com) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bc20V-00045d-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: <40D58B84.3060409@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:05:08 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup List Subject: Re: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? References: <40D4827C.2050307@mindspring.com> <000801c45673$03e0abe0$418db2d1@netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <000801c45673$03e0abe0$418db2d1@netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Thanks. 'Any particular suggestions, other than re-installing? And before you re-install do you un-install or remove everything from the MQ folders, etc.? Jesse Randy Hoffman wrote: >I've uese MidiQuest a long time with the D550 and like you sometimes I have >problems getting it going again if I havn't messed with it for a while. I >always got it going again. Sometimes I have to re-install the software. >Midiquest has a fragile install. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 20 10:27:13 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11914 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:27:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:27:13 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406201427.KAA11914@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mercia.host4u.net (mercia.host4u.net [216.71.64.117]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11910 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:27:13 -0400 Received: from movingplaid.com (dsl-66-216-163-066.dejazzd.com [66.216.163.66]) by mercia.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5KEQfU07370; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:26:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:26:40 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: SGroup List To: Jesse Segovia From: "Robert S. Sarnoski" In-Reply-To: <40D4827C.2050307@mindspring.com> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I have made a lot of progress in the studio in preparation for the summertime. Purchased some new gear to add to the collection and I am hoping to have the time to use it this summer. I have also been moving away from software synths (programs like Reason and Rebirth) and more towards hardware and performance. Don't get me wrong, the software out there is excellent. I just didn't feel comfortable playing to X number of people standing behind a laptop pressing a few buttons. My current project is very aggressive and noisy. I want to be able to get a physical release from my music and not just "Oh, that sounds cool". So far, the studio looks like this: - Roland S-330 w/Director S for the 330 - Roland S-550 (pretty much unused) - Roland S-10 (Keep it just for the semi-weighted feel) - Roland JS-30 (ugh!) - Roland SP-202 (ick!) - Roland Edirol PC-300 (versatile) and the rest of the lot (NON-Roland) - Emu Proteus 1 - MIDI-Sport 1x1 - Digitech DSP 256 Processor - Ibanez Roadstar II Guitar - Carvin 5 String Fretless Bass - Powerwerks Power Conditioner - Kustom 80 watt 4 channel mixer - Crate Stealth 100 watt tube amplifier and half-stack In the end, all audio gets dumped to my iBook. I hope to have some early demo recordings on my web site in the next month or so (depends on the real job). I will keep everyone posted. Thanks for the time to ramble! Bob Sarnoski On Saturday, June 19, 2004, at 02:14 PM, Jesse Segovia wrote: > > So what's up with everyone's gear or studio? 'Anyone doing anything > interesting these days, taking some slow summer time to make some > interesting tracks or thin out/beef up your racks? > > Me, I bought a Yamaha TX802 several months ago (you may remember my > sgroup thread on whether to get a good DX/TX sample CD for my S-760 or > buy a DX synth) and found a good editor/librarian for it, SoundQuest's > MidiQuest 9. Great luck with my TX802 - I got all the patches out of > my old Atari editor/librarian and now have them in MidiQuest, or MQ > format. MQ also lets me dump thousands of DX sysex patches from the > internet to my synth and then upload back into MQ format, where I can > print out names, audition each patch by clicking on it, put together > my own custom banks, etc. > > But then I tried the same thing with my D-50 and no such luck. At > first MQ could get data from the D-50 but couldn't send anything to > the synth. Then, after trying a few things recommended by SoundQuest, > it no longer reads data from the D-50 - completely incommunicado! > > The only thing left to try is replacing the ROM, a potentially very > expensive proposition with no guarantee of success. Bummer. :( > > 'Haven't even gotten to try out my D-110 with MQ yet but as I use that > synth very little I probably won't get to it. > > 'Still waiting for Chickensys - I hope to be able to convert my Akai > sample CDs to Roland format and quickly convert several Gigs worth of > wav samples to Roland formatted CD as well. > > Jesse > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 20 13:01:55 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18265 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:01:55 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406201701.NAA18265@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from jhb-relay02.tiscali.co.za (jhb-relay02.tiscali.co.za [196.28.33.12]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18261 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:01:54 -0400 Received: from jhb-relay02.tiscali.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0461EAC5 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:01:41 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [196.28.46.86] (unknown [196.28.46.86]) by jhb-relay02.tiscali.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7771EA2E for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:01:40 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.tiscali.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <40D4827C.2050307@mindspring.com> References: <40D4827C.2050307@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:01:17 +0200 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1124371616==_ma============" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; --============_-1124371616==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >......found a good editor/librarian for it, SoundQuest's MidiQuest >9. Great luck with my TX802 - I got all the patches out of my old >Atari editor/librarian and now have them in MidiQuest, or MQ format. >MQ also lets me dump thousands of DX sysex patches from the internet >to my synth and then upload back into MQ format, where I can print >out names, audition each patch by clicking on it, put together my >own custom banks, etc. > >But then I tried the same thing with my D-50 and no such luck. At >first MQ could get data from the D-50 but couldn't send anything to >the synth. Then, after trying a few things recommended by >SoundQuest, it no longer reads data from the D-50 - completely >incommunicado! Jesse, I have the rack version (D-550) and I know they are both difficult in this respect. I don't know MidiQuest, but with SoundDiver which I use, I often had to press on the D550 to accept bulk dumps and one has to be certain that device numbers and midi channels are set exactly right for the software to work. Do you know about the MExpansion cards for D-50/D550 ? Look here: http://www.musitronics.de/info-e/D50-D550_info_e.html Just for your possible interest..... Regards - Colin --============_-1124371616==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear?
......found a good editor/librarian for it, SoundQuest's MidiQuest 9.  Great luck with my TX802 - I got all the patches out of my old Atari editor/librarian and now have them in MidiQuest, or MQ format.  MQ also lets me dump thousands of DX sysex patches from the internet to my synth and then upload back into MQ format, where I can print out names, audition each patch by clicking on it, put together my own custom banks, etc.

But then I tried the same thing with my D-50 and no such luck.  At first MQ could get data from the D-50 but couldn't send anything to the synth.  Then, after trying a few things recommended by SoundQuest, it no longer reads data from the D-50 - completely incommunicado!

Jesse,

I have the rack version (D-550) and I know they are both difficult in this respect. I don't know MidiQuest, but with SoundDiver which I use, I often had to press <Enter> on the D550 to accept bulk dumps and one has to be certain that device numbers and midi channels are set exactly right for the software to work.

Do you know about the MExpansion cards for D-50/D550 ?
Look here:
http://www.musitronics.de/info-e/D50-D550_info_e.html

Just for your possible interest.....

Regards - Colin
--============_-1124371616==_ma============-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 20 15:54:09 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25345 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:54:09 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406201954.PAA25345@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25341 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:54:08 -0400 Received: from pool0134.cvx6-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.178.158.134] helo=rhoffmanix) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bc8OD-0001JP-00; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:54:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c45700$3aadc620$869eb2d1@netcom.com> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Jesse Segovia" , "sgroup List" References: <40D4827C.2050307@mindspring.com> <000801c45673$03e0abe0$418db2d1@netcom.com> <40D58B84.3060409@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:53:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; I wouldn't un-install. I would always make sure I have both "To" and "From" midi cables hooked up correctely. (I have a patch bay). And would have problems not setting up my D550 with incorrect "Midi" settings. I have "Omni" on. I always have anxiety going to the MidiQuest software after not using it for awhile becuase it usually wouldn't work right away. But after getting familiar, I got it to work again. And then it was working fine. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup List Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:05 AM Subject: Re: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? > > Thanks. 'Any particular suggestions, other than re-installing? And > before you re-install do you un-install or remove everything from the MQ > folders, etc.? > > Jesse > > Randy Hoffman wrote: > > >I've uese MidiQuest a long time with the D550 and like you sometimes I have > >problems getting it going again if I havn't messed with it for a while. I > >always got it going again. Sometimes I have to re-install the software. > >Midiquest has a fragile install. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Mon Jun 21 10:56:06 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07813 for sgroup_site5-list; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:56:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:56:06 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406211456.KAA07813@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca (smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca [192.197.186.122]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07790 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:56:05 -0400 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:46:32 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D06000000000007B937D1@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: RE: sgroup What's Up With Your Gear? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:45:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; My friend has listed a large amount of gear on eBay from his immaculate studio. Keep an eye here, as more stuff will be going up over the next few weeks. Please contact me if you are interested in a professionally rack-mounted Atari Falcon which is fully loaded, including Cubase, and capable of 8 tracks of digital audio. It will be going at a very reasonable price. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=illuminat us%21&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 if this doesn't work, then try searching his id: "illuminatus!" Well, summer is anything but quiet for me. We have entered festival season in Toronto Canada, and that means gigs almost every weekend till August. Our first was this past weekend and was very successful. The music is funk, acid-jazz, there's a 3-pce horn section and we play covers of Tower of Power, Incognito, as well as originals. We will be releasing a 5-tune CD in the next few weeks. I play guitar in the band, which is called Inner Soul. With my gear, I have not been using my Roland samplers at all recently, probably due to time constraints more than anything. I had a demo of ABSynth 2 and Reaktor last week and was kind of interested in Reaktor, though Native has an amazing deal right now where if you buy just one of their products, you can get a bundle of everything they have (including FM7 and their Prophet clone) for around $800 Canadian. Pretty good deal, but only while quantities last from Saved By Technology in Toronto. Has anyone had experience with ABsynth or Reaktor and can comment on their useability? I would like to down-size my studio (10 kybds!) but I'm not yet convinced that soft-syths are any better. More flexible for sure, but do they SOUND as good, or better? I recently emailed MidiQuest asking them if they had a Macintosh OS X version of their software, and they very kindly set me up as a beta tester. I've installed it but I need more time to start using it. I have a few weeks now till the next festivals so I hope to use it to tweak some new programs from my push-button synths like Multi-Trak, CZ5000, DW8000 and Roland JX8P and to finally use the programmability of my user-unfriendly R8m. I recently acquired a Minimoog and an Arp Odyssey (white-face from 1970) as well as a Chroma Polaris and love them all so much. The Chroma is truly a powerful beast. I also have a PolySix and recently had my Electro-Harmonix Mini-Synth fixed up right and it is pretty damn good, considering I paid $15 for it almost 20 years ago. Cubase SX2 on Mac G5 is my platform and I also run Halion which is a great sampler program, and another reason the Rolands have been quiet. I have not yet actually sampled anything using Halion, but it reads Roland disks effortlessly. I wish I could find a simple way to transfer my Roland-made patches to Halion an try them there. Can anyone suggest how this might be accomplished through midi? Ralph > Randy Hoffman wrote: > > >I've uese MidiQuest a long time with the D550 and like you sometimes I - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 27 09:26:19 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05618 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:26:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:26:19 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406271326.JAA05618@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05614 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:26:18 -0400 Received: from user-uinj0k5.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.130.133] helo=mindspring.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BeZfc-0005v3-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: <40DECAE9.5070205@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:26:01 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SGroup List Subject: sgroup Vintage Synth Samples - Can we use 'em? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/index.html These are apparently in Akai S5000/S6000 (and can be read by the Akai Z4/8 and MPC4000). The person who posted this link to another list says you can open these with Awave Studio and convert them to any other format - can we convert them to Roland S-7XX format (or S-5XX)? Once the new Chickensys with full Roland support is available I'm sure we could use that as well. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 27 13:41:34 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16109 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:41:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:41:34 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406271741.NAA16109@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16105 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:41:33 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.d8.df917cb (3972) for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:41:02 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Vintage Synth Samples - Can we use 'em? To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088358062" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088358062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jesse I am on that list and I download everything they have. All those sounds are in wave format. Dave >>http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/index.html These are apparently in Akai S5000/S6000 (and can be read by the Akai Z4/8 and MPC4000). The person who posted this link to another list says you can open these with Awave Studio and convert them to any other format - can we convert them to Roland S-7XX format (or S-5XX)? Once the new Chickensys with full Roland support is available I'm sure we could use that as well. 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Jesse I am on that list and I download everything they have. All those=20 sounds are in wave format.
 
Dave
 
>>http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/index.html

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you= can=20 open these with Awave Studio and convert them to any other
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we could use that as=20 well.

Jesse<<
 -------------------------------1088358062-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 27 14:10:48 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17338 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:10:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:10:48 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406271810.OAA17338@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17315 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:10:47 -0400 Received: from user-uinj4kf.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.146.143] helo=mindspring.com) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bee71-0007Ym-00; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:10:44 -0400 Message-ID: <40DF0D9F.1060501@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:10:39 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DAJA300@aol.com CC: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Vintage Synth Samples - Can we use 'em? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Great - have you converted them to your sampler format? Jesse DAJA300@aol.com wrote: > Jesse I am on that list and I download everything they have. All those > sounds are in wave format. > > Dave > > >>http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/index.html > > These are apparently in Akai S5000/S6000 (and can be read by the Akai > Z4/8 and MPC4000). The person who posted this link to another list says > you can open these with Awave Studio and convert them to any other > format - can we convert them to Roland S-7XX format (or S-5XX)? > > Once the new Chickensys with full Roland support is available I'm sure > we could use that as well. > > Jesse<< - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 27 14:15:43 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17543 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:15:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:15:43 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406271815.OAA17543@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17539 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:15:43 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.6b.2cee847b (3972) for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6b.2cee847b.2e1068af@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 14:15:11 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Vintage Synth Samples - Can we use 'em? To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088360111" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088360111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No Jesse But my point was that they will be treated the same as any other Windoze wave file. I thought there was not a way for us to convert them for S-760. Or if there is, I am thinking the process might be extremely sloooooowwww....... Dave >> In a message dated 6/27/2004 2:11:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, _jsegovia@mindspring.com_ (mailto:jsegovia@mindspring.com) writes: Great - have you converted them to your sampler format? Jesse _DAJA300@aol.com_ (mailto:DAJA300@aol.com) wrote: > Jesse I am on that list and I download everything they have. All those > sounds are in wave format. > > Dave > > >>http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/index.html > > These are apparently in Akai S5000/S6000 (and can be read by the Akai > Z4/8 and MPC4000). The person who posted this link to another list says > you can open these with Awave Studio and convert them to any other > format - can we convert them to Roland S-7XX format (or S-5XX)? > > Once the new Chickensys with full Roland support is available I'm sure > we could use that as well. > > Jesse<< -------------------------------1088360111 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No Jesse
 
But my point was that they will be treated the same as any other Windoz= e=20 wave file. I thought there was not a way for us to convert them for S-760.
 
Or if there is, I am thinking the process might be extremely=20 sloooooowwww.......
 
Dave
 
>>
In a message dated 6/27/2004 2:11:03 PM Eastern Daylight Ti= me,=20 jsegovia@mindspring.com=20 writes:
Great - have you converted them to your sampler format?
 
Jesse
 
 
> Jesse I am on that list and I download everything they have. All t= hose=20
> sounds are in wave format.
> 
> Dave
> = ;=20
> >>http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/index.html
>
>= =20 These are apparently in Akai S5000/S6000 (and can be read by the Akai
>= ;=20 Z4/8 and MPC4000).  The person who posted this link to another list=20 says
> you can open these with Awave Studio and convert them to any=20 other
> format - can we convert them to Roland S-7XX format (or=20 S-5XX)?
>
> Once the new Chickensys with full Roland support is=20 available I'm sure
> we could use that as well.
>
>=20 Jesse<<
 

 
 -------------------------------1088360111-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Sun Jun 27 19:52:16 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31364 for sgroup_site5-list; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:52:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:52:16 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406272352.TAA31364@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31360 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:52:15 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i5RNqJ13086076 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:52:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i5RNqJJs092610 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:52:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from california.com (mail.california.com [209.3.224.15]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21056 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:32:52 -0400 Received: from [64.24.245.146] (HELO DennyKiki) by california.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with SMTP id 73514911 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:31:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c45b36$a5e97a80$92f51840@DennyKiki> From: "Denny Daughters" To: Subject: sgroup s-50 cycling samples Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:32:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C45B04.5A904E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C45B04.5A904E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello guys, I'm new to the list and would like to know with the Roland s-50 = sampler, how do I keep the samples from cycling through all 4 channels = as I play? I'm not in the sequencer mode. Thanks. Denny ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C45B04.5A904E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello guys,
    I'm new to the list = and would=20 like to know with the Roland s-50 sampler, how do I keep the samples = from=20 cycling through all 4 channels as I play? I'm not in the sequencer = mode. =20 Thanks.
Denny
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C45B04.5A904E60-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Mon Jun 28 19:59:32 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26647 for sgroup_site5-list; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:59:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:59:32 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406282359.TAA26647@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26643 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:59:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 9542 invoked by uid 65534); 28 Jun 2004 23:59:04 -0000 Received: from dsl-082-082-191-030.arcor-ip.net (EHLO WrkStn1) (82.82.191.30) by mail.gmx.net (mp005) with SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 01:59:04 +0200 X-Authenticated: #670536 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:56:37 +0200 From: Chris Reply-To: Chris X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <551787130.20040629015637@gmx.net> To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: sgroup Once again abt. Translator... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; It's still confusing... one page says that Roland conversion is in beta stage, others say that the code hasn't been developed yet: http://www.chickensys.com/translator/translatorwinavailable.html So what's the truth? I'm just wondering... cheers, Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Mon Jun 28 23:26:04 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02664 for sgroup_site5-list; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:26:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:26:04 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406290326.XAA02664@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from california.com (mail.california.com [209.3.224.15]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02660 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:26:02 -0400 Received: from [64.24.245.61] (HELO DennyKiki) by california.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with SMTP id 73683998 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:25:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c45d88$cd626690$3df51840@DennyKiki> From: "Denny Daughters" To: Subject: sgroup cycling samples Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:26:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C45D56.8212D760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C45D56.8212D760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, My name is Denny. I'm new to this list. I'm sure I'll have lots of = questions about the s-50 sampler I have. I don't have a monitor for it. = Anyway my question this time is some of the disks I have the samples = cycle throughu all 4 of it's outputs as I'm playing. How do I stop this = from happening and how do I get the samples to just play out of the main = channel? Thanks Denny ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C45D56.8212D760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys,
    My name is = Denny.  I'm new=20 to this list.  I'm sure I'll have lots of questions about the s-50 = sampler=20 I have.  I don't have a monitor for it.  Anyway my question = this time=20 is some of the disks I have the samples cycle throughu all 4 of it's = outputs as=20 I'm playing.  How do I stop this from happening and how do I get = the=20 samples to just play out of the main channel? Thanks
Denny
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C45D56.8212D760-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 29 00:13:57 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04649 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:13:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:13:57 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406290413.AAA04649@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04645 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:13:55 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.112.345faae8 (16781) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <112.345faae8.2e124664@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:13:24 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup cycling samples To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088482404" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088482404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is that without a monitor you are only able to see one line at a time through the LCD. Been years since I own one to remember the pages without a monitor. But I believe the idea is to switch the outs from what they are [C D E F] to maybe A or something. Of course you can also hook your audio up to these outs to get sound till you figure it out but maybe with limited polyphony because I think you only can get maximum polyphony from the main outs. It's like a preset configuration and cannot be changed. Dave >>In a message dated 6/28/2004 11:27:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, denny@dennydaughters.com writes: Hi guys, My name is Denny. I'm new to this list. I'm sure I'll have lots of questions about the s-50 sampler I have. I don't have a monitor for it. Anyway my question this time is some of the disks I have the samples cycle throughu all 4 of it's outputs as I'm playing. How do I stop this from happening and how do I get the samples to just play out of the main channel? Thanks Denny<< -------------------------------1088482404 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The problem is that without a monitor you are only able to see one line= at=20 a time through the LCD. Been years since I own one to remember the pages wit= hout=20 a monitor.
 
But I believe the idea is to switch the outs from what they are [C D E=20= F]=20 to maybe A or something. Of course you can also hook your audio up to t= hese=20 outs to get sound till you figure it out but maybe with limited polyphony=20 because I think you only can get maximum polyphony from the main outs.=20= It's=20 like a preset configuration and cannot be changed.
 
Dave
 
>>In a message dated 6/28/2004 11:27:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,= =20 denny@dennydaughters.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>
Hi guys,
    My name is Denny. = ; I'm=20 new to this list.  I'm sure I'll have lots of questions about the s-5= 0=20 sampler I have.  I don't have a monitor for it.  Anyway my quest= ion=20 this time is some of the disks I have the samples cycle throughu all 4 of=20= it's=20 outputs as I'm playing.  How do I stop this from happening and how do= I=20 get the samples to just play out of the main channel? Thanks
Denny<<
-------------------------------1088482404-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 29 16:26:50 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12648 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:26:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:26:50 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406292026.QAA12648@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12644 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:26:49 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.42.51baead9 (4254) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42.51baead9.2e132a5d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:26:05 EDT Subject: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088540765" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088540765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need to know if someone here can tell me the best way to manage my sounds on my hard drive. I am saving sounds from floppy and all I do is save them as Patches. Is there a better more convenient way to save these sounds to my hard drive or am I doing it right? My goal is to save/create a large library of sounds and make them availabe on my hard drive for when I need them in a song. Thanks Dave -------------------------------1088540765 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I need to know if someone here can tell me the best way to manage my so= unds=20 on my hard drive. I am saving sounds from floppy and all I do is save them a= s=20 Patches. Is there a better more convenient way to save these sounds to=20= my=20 hard drive or am I doing it right?
 
My goal is to save/create a large library of sounds and make them avail= abe=20 on my hard drive for when I need them in a song.
 
Thanks
Dave
 -------------------------------1088540765-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 29 16:57:28 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13948 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:57:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:57:28 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406292057.QAA13948@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13944 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:57:27 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.145.2d2b010b (3310) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <145.2d2b010b.2e13319b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:56:59 EDT Subject: sgroup SCSI HD configuration To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088542619" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088542619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to configure a Seagate 2150MB SCSI hard drive for my S-760 but everytime the system finds the SCSI ID it stops and proceed no further. No matter how long I wait. I set it to 0, 1, and 3 and the same thing happens. I then tried a Quantum 1280MB SCSI but the S760 did not even find it. It scanned from 0 to 7 and I even retried once the system booted up. Both drives were retested on my Atari SCSI system and still were not recognized. Maybe the drives are bad but any ideas? Thanks Dave -------------------------------1088542619 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am trying to configure a Seagate 2150MB SCSI hard drive for my S= -760=20 but everytime the system finds the SCSI ID it stops and proceed no further.=20= No=20 matter how long I wait. I set it to 0, 1, and 3 and the same thing=20 happens.
 
I then tried a Quantum 1280MB SCSI but the S760 did not even find it. I= t=20 scanned from 0 to 7 and I even retried once the system booted up.
 
Both drives were retested on my Atari SCSI system and still were not=20 recognized.
 
Maybe the drives are bad but any ideas?
 
Thanks
Dave
 
 
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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 29 17:00:48 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14107 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:00:48 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406292100.RAA14107@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14103 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:00:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BfPiV-0005YN-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:00:35 -0400 Message-ID: <30595661.1088542835765.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:00:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Great question, and hopefully an even better question when chickensys comes out with full Roland support - there should be lots more great sounds to save onto hard disk. So far I'm doing the same thing - just saving my sounds as patches, but I guess what you want to do is create Volumes or at least Performances. That way you can lump lots of related Patches together, such as all the sounds and settings for a single song, including MIDI settings. You can always go back and load individual Performances or Patches out of different Volumes. Another cool thing is when your S-760 first boots up, you can tell it to load a Volume on start-up - so you can start with a default 'bank' of sounds all set up for you to start with, like a nice synth bass on MIDI channel 2, piano on 1, nice drums on 10, etc., but it has to be a Volume - you can't auto-load Performances or Patches. Can you put Patches together in a Volume and save that Volume without first putting the Patches in Performances? Jesse DAJA300@aol.com wrote: > I need to know if someone here can tell me the best way to manage my sounds on my hard drive. I am saving sounds from floppy and all I do is save them as Patches. Is there a better more convenient way to save these sounds to my hard drive or am I doing it right? > > My goal is to save/create a large library of sounds and make them availabe on my hard drive for when I need them in a song. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 29 17:04:14 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14266 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:04:14 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406292104.RAA14266@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14262 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:04:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.167.40] (helo=wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BfPm5-0003A9-00 for sgroup@sgroup.ca; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:04:17 -0400 Message-ID: <6216264.1088543057136.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:04:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: Jesse Segovia To: SGroup List Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI HD configuration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Are these drives both in the supported list on the Roland website? As I recall it's not that big a list although folks might've had success with other models. I know that's not much help but I only bought my drive on ebay because a list member had specifically recommended it - and it comes up first time, every time. By the way, do all Atari ST computers come with SCSI connections? I've got a 1040ST at home but I don't remember - should I be able to hook up my S-760 drive to the Atari? Jesse -----Original Message----- From: DAJA300@aol.com Sent: Jun 29, 2004 4:56 PM To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: sgroup SCSI HD configuration I am trying to configure a Seagate 2150MB SCSI hard drive for my S-760 but everytime the system finds the SCSI ID it stops and proceed no further. No matter how long I wait. I set it to 0, 1, and 3 and the same thing happens. I then tried a Quantum 1280MB SCSI but the S760 did not even find it. It scanned from 0 to 7 and I even retried once the system booted up. Both drives were retested on my Atari SCSI system and still were not recognized. Maybe the drives are bad but any ideas? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 29 17:49:23 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16134 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:49:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:49:23 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406292149.RAA16134@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16130 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:49:22 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.e4.51bf65c1 (3924) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:48:52 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088545732" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088545732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's great information. I'm on my way to figuring it out. Hopefully not a big struggle as I have somewhat messed around with volumes before but I am far from being an expert. I also take it that your question is for the list and not me specifically. I understand the question but I have no clue. I will like to know that too. Thanks Jesse Dave >>In a message dated 6/29/2004 5:01:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, _jsegovia@mindspring.com_ (mailto:jsegovia@mindspring.com) writes: Great question, and hopefully an even better question when chickensys comes out with full Roland support - there should be lots more great sounds to save onto hard disk. So far I'm doing the same thing - just saving my sounds as patches, but I guess what you want to do is create Volumes or at least Performances. That way you can lump lots of related Patches together, such as all the sounds and settings for a single song, including MIDI settings. You can always go back and load individual Performances or Patches out of different Volumes. Another cool thing is when your S-760 first boots up, you can tell it to load a Volume on start-up - so you can start with a default 'bank' of sounds all set up for you to start with, like a nice synth bass on MIDI channel 2, piano on 1, nice drums on 10, etc., but it has to be a Volume - you can't auto-load Performances or Patches. Can you put Patches together in a Volume and save that Volume without first putting the Patches in Performances? Jesse _DAJA300@aol.com_ (mailto:DAJA300@aol.com) wrote: > I need to know if someone here can tell me the best way to manage my sounds on my hard drive. I am saving sounds from floppy and all I do is save them as Patches. Is there a better more convenient way to save these sounds to my hard drive or am I doing it right? > > My goal is to save/create a large library of sounds and make them availabe on my hard drive for when I need them in a song.<< -------------------------------1088545732 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's great information. I'm on my way to figuring it out. Hopefully n= ot a=20 big struggle as I have somewhat messed around with volumes before but I am f= ar=20 from being an expert.
 
I also take it that your question is for the list and not me specifical= ly.=20 I understand the question but I have no clue. I will like to know that=20 too.
 
Thanks Jesse
Dave
 
>>In a message dated 6/29/2004 5:01:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20= jsegovia@mindspring.com writes:<= /DIV>
 
Great question, and hopefully an even better question when chickensys c= omes=20 out with full Roland support - there should be lots more great sounds to sav= e=20 onto hard disk.
 
So far I'm doing the same thing - just saving my sounds as patches, but= I=20 guess what you want to do is create Volumes or at least Performances. =20= That=20 way you can lump lots of related Patches together, such as all the sounds an= d=20 settings for a single song, including MIDI settings.  You can always go= =20 back and load individual Performances or Patches out of different Volumes.
 
Another cool thing is when your S-760 first boots up, you can tell it t= o=20 load a Volume on start-up - so you can start with a default 'bank' of sounds= all=20 set up for you to start with, like a nice synth bass on MIDI channel 2, pian= o on=20 1, nice drums on 10, etc., but it has to be a Volume - you can't auto-load=20 Performances or Patches.
 
Can you put Patches together in a Volume and save that Volume without f= irst=20 putting the Patches in Performances?
 
Jesse
 
 
> I need to know if someone here can tell me the best way to manage=20= my=20 sounds on my hard drive. I am saving sounds from floppy and all I do is save= =20 them as Patches. Is there a better more convenient way to save these sounds=20= to=20 my hard drive or am I doing it right?
> 
> My goal is to=20 save/create a large library of sounds and make them availabe on my hard driv= e=20 for when I need them in a song.<<
 -------------------------------1088545732-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 29 17:59:18 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16546 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:59:18 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406292159.RAA16546@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16542 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:59:18 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.d5.10516a03 (3924) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:58:45 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI HD configuration To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088546325" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088546325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jesse by default they do not come SCSI. SCSI came later and you could get them internal on some systems like the Mega STE. For external there is one adapter of the bunch called ICD Host that you can use externally but you may want to upgrade the ST to at least Rainbow TOS 1.04 or try to get an STE or MEGA STE or any STE model is best for SCSI. As far as the S-760 directly to the Atari in my opinion it sounds like a bullet. The Atari is less user friendly of the bunch and without support for software or hardware you may need to join some good mailing lists or newsgroups to find the scientists that knows better. I know of a few if you need to do that. Dave >>In a message dated 6/29/2004 5:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, _jsegovia@mindspring.com_ (mailto:jsegovia@mindspring.com) writes: Are these drives both in the supported list on the Roland website? As I recall it's not that big a list although folks might've had success with other models. I know that's not much help but I only bought my drive on ebay because a list member had specifically recommended it - and it comes up first time, every time. By the way, do all Atari ST computers come with SCSI connections? I've got a 1040ST at home but I don't remember - should I be able to hook up my S-760 drive to the Atari? Jesse -----Original Message----- From: _DAJA300@aol.com_ (mailto:DAJA300@aol.com) Sent: Jun 29, 2004 4:56 PM To: _sgroup@sgroup.ca_ (mailto:sgroup@sgroup.ca) Subject: sgroup SCSI HD configuration I am trying to configure a Seagate 2150MB SCSI hard drive for my S-760 but everytime the system finds the SCSI ID it stops and proceed no further. No matter how long I wait. I set it to 0, 1, and 3 and the same thing happens. I then tried a Quantum 1280MB SCSI but the S760 did not even find it. It scanned from 0 to 7 and I even retried once the system booted up. Both drives were retested on my Atari SCSI system and still were not recognized. Maybe the drives are bad but any ideas?<< -------------------------------1088546325 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jesse by default they do not come SCSI. SCSI came later and you could g= et=20 them internal on some systems like the Mega STE.
 
For external there is one adapter of the bunch called ICD Host that you= can=20 use externally but you may want to upgrade the ST to at least Rainbow TOS 1.= 04=20 or try to get an STE or MEGA STE or any STE model is best for SCSI.
 
As far as the S-760 directly to the Atari in my opinion it sounds=20= like=20 a bullet. The Atari is less user friendly of the bunch and without supp= ort=20 for software or hardware you may need to join some good mailing lists o= r=20 newsgroups to find the scientists that knows better.
 
I know of a few if you need to do that.
 
Dave
 
>>In a message dated 6/29/2004 5:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20= jsegovia@mindspring.com writes:<= /DIV>
 
Are these drives both in the supported list on the Roland website? = ; As=20 I recall it's not that big a list although folks might've had success with o= ther=20 models.
 
I know that's not much help but I only bought my drive on ebay because=20= a=20 list member had specifically recommended it - and it comes up first time, ev= ery=20 time.
 
By the way, do all Atari ST computers come with SCSI connections? = =20 I've got a 1040ST at home but I don't remember  - should I be able to h= ook=20 up my S-760 drive to the Atari?
 
Jesse
 
-----Original Message-----
From: DAJA300@aol.com
Sent: Jun 29, 2004 4:= 56=20 PM
To: sgroup@sgroup.ca
Subjec= t:=20 sgroup SCSI HD configuration
 
I am trying to configure a Seagate 2150MB SCSI hard drive for my=20 S-760  but
everytime the system finds the SCSI ID it stops and proc= eed=20 no further. No 
matter how long I wait. I set it to 0, 1, and 3 and= the=20 same thing  happens.
 
I then tried a Quantum 1280MB SCSI but the S760 did not even find it.=20 It 
scanned from 0 to 7 and I even retried once the system booted=20 up.
 
Both drives were retested on my Atari SCSI system and still were not&nb= sp;=20
recognized.
 
Maybe the drives are bad but any ideas?<<
 -------------------------------1088546325-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Tue Jun 29 21:05:04 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24208 for sgroup_site5-list; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:05:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:05:04 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406300105.VAA24208@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24204 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:05:03 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.78.5a9d14de (4254) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:04:32 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088557472" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088557472 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So when I save a patch is that equivalent to only one sound? If so, then I might as well save a group of sounds as a performance. Also volume can only hold performances or do they also hold patches? From what I understand the prevoious post was saying I can save a group of sounds as a volume. A bit confusing but I need to get this right from the jump. I hate to have to go back and fix this because I do have quite a library to transfer. Thanks again Dave >>In a message dated 6/29/2004 6:55:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, _db@skylab2000.com_ (mailto:db@skylab2000.com) writes: At 6/29/2004 02:48 p, _DAJA300@aol.com_ (mailto:DAJA300@aol.com) wrote: >That's great information. I'm on my way to figuring it out. Hopefully not >a big struggle as I have somewhat messed around with volumes before but I >am far from being an expert. > >I also take it that your question is for the list and not me specifically. >I understand the question but I have no clue. I will like to know that too. > I use an s760 live. It's boots up to a volume that contains many performances - one for each song in the set. Each performance has the patches specific to that song, plus a common patch that contains drums and such that any song can use.. |_e_/ Dennis Barton <_db@skylab2000.com_ (mailto:db@skylab2000.com) > ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / _http://skylab2000.com_ (http://skylab2000.com) << -------------------------------1088557472 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So when I save a patch is that equivalent to only one sound? If so, the= n I=20 might as well save a group of sounds as a performance.
 
Also volume can only hold performances or do they also hold patches?
 
From what I understand the prevoious post was saying I can save a group= of=20 sounds as a volume.
 
A bit confusing but I need to get this right from the jump. I hate to h= ave=20 to go back and fix this because I do have quite a library to transfer.
 
Thanks again
Dave
 
>>In a message dated 6/29/2004 6:55:25 PM Eastern Daylight Ti= me, db@skylab2000.com writes:
At 6/29/2= 004=20 02:48 p, DAJA300@aol.com=20 wrote:
>That's great information. I'm on my way to figuring it out.=20 Hopefully not
>a big struggle as I have somewhat messed around with=20 volumes before but I
>am far from being an expert.
>
>I a= lso=20 take it that your question is for the list and not me specifically.
>= I=20 understand the question but I have no clue. I will like to know that=20 too.
>
 
I use an s760 live. It's boots up to a volume that contains many=20
performances - one for each song in the set.
 
Each performance has the patches specific to that song, plus a comm= on=20 patch
that contains drums and such that any song can use..
 
  |_e_/   Dennis Barton <db@skylab2000.com>
  &= nbsp;  =20 )     skylab2000
  ~\/\    =20 Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
     =20 /     http://skylab2000.com <<
<= /FONT>
 
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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jun 30 08:48:48 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21101 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:48:48 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406301248.IAA21101@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from s2.syonex.com (s2.syonex.com [65.39.192.229]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21097 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:48:47 -0400 Received: from localhost.generalconcepts.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.syonex.com (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i5UCm21K069708 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:48:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens@generalconcepts.com) Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by localhost.generalconcepts.com (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i5U5igIM034226 for sgroup@www.sgroup.ca; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:44:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.215]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31378 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:54:46 -0400 Received: from mxip05.cluster1.charter.net (mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.135]) by mxsf15.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5T1ssjg023824 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:54:54 -0400 Received: from c68.112.122.73.stc.mn.charter.com (HELO cb56611-h.chickensys.com) (68.112.122.73) by mxip05.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 28 Jun 2004 21:54:22 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040628204535.024a3ee0@mail.chickensys.com> X-Sender: garth@mail.chickensys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:49:05 -0500 To: sgroup@sgroup.ca From: Garth Hjelte Subject: Re: sgroup Once again abt. Translator... In-Reply-To: <551787130.20040629015637@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; At 01:56 AM 6/29/04 +0200, you wrote: >It's still confusing... one page says that Roland conversion is in >beta stage, others say that the code hasn't been developed yet: That URL that you posted isn't linked anywhere on the site - how did you get to it? >So what's the truth? I'm just wondering... I should have modified it back to the way it was, sorry... We are getting it done, slipping it in between breakfast cereal and midnight pizza... don't worry, I'll keep everyone abreast on this list. Garth Hjelte Sampler User - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jun 30 09:51:40 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23729 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:51:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:51:40 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406301351.JAA23729@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA23725 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:51:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 22943 invoked by uid 65534); 30 Jun 2004 13:51:08 -0000 Received: from dsl-082-082-213-119.arcor-ip.net (EHLO WrkStn1) (82.82.213.119) by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 15:51:08 +0200 X-Authenticated: #670536 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:48:40 +0200 From: Chris Reply-To: Chris X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <7910632176.20040630154840@gmx.net> To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Once again abt. Translator... In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040628204535.024a3ee0@mail.chickensys.com> References: <551787130.20040629015637@gmx.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040628204535.024a3ee0@mail.chickensys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; GH> That URL that you posted isn't linked anywhere on the site - how did you GH> get to it? I just found it while I was google'ing for some information about Roland and Akai formats etc. BTW: Was there ever an official statement of Roland why they *never* released any tool (exept SDISK) to deal with their sample Disks and CDs?? AFAIK Akai *did* release such tools and also the specs of their formats... greets, Chris - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jun 30 10:10:27 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24494 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:10:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:10:27 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406301410.KAA24494@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca (smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca [192.197.186.122]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24490 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:10:26 -0400 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D06000000000007B93821@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> To: DAJA300@aol.com, sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Managing sounds Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:55:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C45EA9.D76B7326" Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45EA9.D76B7326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>Can you put Patches together in a Volume and save that Volume without first putting the Patches in Performances? Saving/Adding Patches to a Volume should be available from the Save menu. I believe you have to name the Volume FIRST, then mark all the Patches you want to save and tell it to add it to the Volume. You should be able to save individual Patches to a Volume, because you can save Patches on their own, ie without a Performance. However the manual warns that it is difficult to keep track once you have a a lot of unassociated Patches and samples saved. One suggestion that doesn't use Volumes, is to save the Patches as different Performances, in whatever configs you want (16 Patches per Perf) and then save them all as a Volume. The Performances will all be associated with the same Patches, thereby saving memory. You can save more Patches with a Performance than are actually loaded into a Performance Play config, so for flexibility you can have for instance one Performance with 2 or 1 or no Patches "showing", but any number of Patches in the background. Then dial up the Patches you want from the Performance Play screen. When saving, if the Patches are loaded in the background, it should save them with the Performance as long as they are associated with the same Performance - on a monitor, this is done in the Performance name field in the main Patch window - above the Patch name. Once you have this organized to your liking, if you want you can save the Performance to a Volume, then start a new one, ie to be added later to the same Volume. I have a performace saved with bass, drums and piano patches showing. I then dial up synth samples, extra percussion, synth basses, etc, as I need them, saving midi channels. If I want to continue working on the tune another time, I can save this config as a separate Performance for next time. This is useful cause you're always adjusting the pan, volume, etc based on how the song is developing. You can also add new Patches at any time. Practically speaking you don't want to keep the specific Performance config for one song forever, unless you are using the sampler in a live setting. hope this helps Ralph -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca]On Behalf Of DAJA300@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:49 PM To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds That's great information. I'm on my way to figuring it out. Hopefully not a big struggle as I have somewhat messed around with volumes before but I am far from being an expert. I also take it that your question is for the list and not me specifically. I understand the question but I have no clue. I will like to know that too. Thanks Jesse Dave >>In a message dated 6/29/2004 5:01:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jsegovia@mindspring.com writes: Great question, and hopefully an even better question when chickensys comes out with full Roland support - there should be lots more great sounds to save onto hard disk. So far I'm doing the same thing - just saving my sounds as patches, but I guess what you want to do is create Volumes or at least Performances. That way you can lump lots of related Patches together, such as all the sounds and settings for a single song, including MIDI settings. You can always go back and load individual Performances or Patches out of different Volumes. Another cool thing is when your S-760 first boots up, you can tell it to load a Volume on start-up - so you can start with a default 'bank' of sounds all set up for you to start with, like a nice synth bass on MIDI channel 2, piano on 1, nice drums on 10, etc., but it has to be a Volume - you can't auto-load Performances or Patches. Can you put Patches together in a Volume and save that Volume without first putting the Patches in Performances? Jesse DAJA300@aol.com wrote: > I need to know if someone here can tell me the best way to manage my sounds on my hard drive. I am saving sounds from floppy and all I do is save them as Patches. Is there a better more convenient way to save these sounds to my hard drive or am I doing it right? > > My goal is to save/create a large library of sounds and make them availabe on my hard drive for when I need them in a song.<< ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45EA9.D76B7326 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>Can you put Patches together in a Volume and save that Volume without first putting the Patches in Performances?
 
Saving/Adding Patches to a Volume should be available from the Save menu. I believe you have to name the Volume FIRST, then mark all the Patches you want to save and tell it to add it to the Volume. You should be able to save individual Patches to a Volume, because you can save Patches on their own, ie without a Performance. However the manual warns that it is difficult to keep track once you have a a lot of unassociated Patches and samples saved.
 
One suggestion that doesn't use Volumes, is to save the Patches as different Performances, in whatever configs you want (16 Patches per Perf) and then save them all as a Volume. The Performances will all be associated with the same Patches, thereby saving memory.
 
You can save more Patches with a Performance than are actually loaded into a Performance Play config, so for flexibility you can have for instance one Performance with 2 or 1 or no Patches "showing", but any number of Patches in the background. Then dial up the Patches you want from the Performance Play screen. When saving, if the Patches are loaded in the background, it should save them with the Performance as long as they are associated with the same Performance  - on a monitor, this is done in the Performance name field in the main Patch window - above the Patch name. Once you have this organized to your liking, if you want you can save the Performance to a Volume, then start a new one, ie to be added later to the same Volume. I have a performace saved with bass, drums and piano patches showing. I then dial up synth samples, extra percussion, synth basses, etc, as I need them, saving midi channels. If I want to continue working on the tune another time, I can save this config as a separate Performance for next time. This is useful cause you're always adjusting the pan, volume, etc based on how the song is developing. You can also add new Patches at any time. Practically speaking you don't want to keep the specific Performance config for one song forever, unless you are using the sampler in a live setting.
 
hope this helps
Ralph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca]On Behalf Of DAJA300@aol.com
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That's great information. I'm on my way to figuring it out. Hopefully not a big struggle as I have somewhat messed around with volumes before but I am far from being an expert.
 
I also take it that your question is for the list and not me specifically. I understand the question but I have no clue. I will like to know that too.
 
Thanks Jesse
Dave
 
>>In a message dated 6/29/2004 5:01:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jsegovia@mindspring.com writes:
 
Great question, and hopefully an even better question when chickensys comes out with full Roland support - there should be lots more great sounds to save onto hard disk.
 
So far I'm doing the same thing - just saving my sounds as patches, but I guess what you want to do is create Volumes or at least Performances.  That way you can lump lots of related Patches together, such as all the sounds and settings for a single song, including MIDI settings.  You can always go back and load individual Performances or Patches out of different Volumes.
 
Another cool thing is when your S-760 first boots up, you can tell it to load a Volume on start-up - so you can start with a default 'bank' of sounds all set up for you to start with, like a nice synth bass on MIDI channel 2, piano on 1, nice drums on 10, etc., but it has to be a Volume - you can't auto-load Performances or Patches.
 
Can you put Patches together in a Volume and save that Volume without first putting the Patches in Performances?
 
Jesse
 
 
> I need to know if someone here can tell me the best way to manage my sounds on my hard drive. I am saving sounds from floppy and all I do is save them as Patches. Is there a better more convenient way to save these sounds to my hard drive or am I doing it right?
> 
> My goal is to save/create a large library of sounds and make them availabe on my hard drive for when I need them in a song.<<
 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45EA9.D76B7326-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jun 30 10:18:55 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24855 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:18:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:18:55 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406301418.KAA24855@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.69]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24851 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:18:54 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust209.tnt10.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.120.209]) by dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEIMaS024031; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:18:23 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:18:14 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: DAJA300@aol.com From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: <78.5a9d14de.2e136ba0@aol.com> Message-Id: <52CAEA83-CAA0-11D8-B281-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Mittwoch, 30.06.04 um 03:04 Uhr schrieb DAJA300@aol.com: > So when I save a patch is that equivalent to only one sound? Roland introduced samples, partials, patches, performances and volumes. You're adding another category, "sound". How do you define "sound"? A partial can layer up to four samples which can be hard switched or crossfaded depending on MIDI velocity or MIDI CC. It also contains a lot of other parameters (filter for instance) that affect "sound". In a patch you can assign several partials to MIDI note numbers. In a performance you can assign several patches to MIDI channels. You can also assign more than one patch to the same MIDI channel, so more layering can be done here. So, depending on the point of view, a patch can consist of "only one sound", a piano for instance, that still uses many different samples depending on MIDI note number and velocity; or of "many different sounds", for instance a drum kit. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jun 30 10:19:16 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24884 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:19:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:19:16 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200406301419.KAA24884@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.69]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24880 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:19:15 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust209.tnt10.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.120.209]) by dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5UEIiaS024091; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:18:44 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:18:35 +0200 Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI HD configuration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca To: DAJA300@aol.com From: Ingo Debus In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5FCE5A7F-CAA0-11D8-B281-000A9571C136@cityweb.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Am Dienstag, 29.06.04 um 23:58 Uhr schrieb DAJA300@aol.com: > Jesse by default they do not come SCSI. SCSI came later and you could=20= > get them internal on some systems like the Mega STE. > =A0 The older Ataris had an interface called ACSI, which was similar to=20 SCSI. The Falcon came with SCSI II. > As far as the S-760 directly to the Atari in my opinion it=A0sounds = like=20 > a bullet. The Atari is less user friendly of the bunch and=20 > without=A0support for software or hardware you=A0may need to join some=20= > good mailing lists or newsgroups to find the scientists that knows=20 > better. > Once I wrote a little S-760/S-330 tool for the Atari. I think it's=20 online somewhere, but if anyone is interested I can send it directly to=20= them. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jun 30 20:31:52 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17609 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:31:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:31:52 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407010031.UAA17609@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com (dsl-210-15-250-66.NSW.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.66]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17605 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:31:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD65756EC5 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:31:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ptraci [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18826-06 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:31:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from [192.168.119.128] (bmaier.internal.sensorynetworks.com [192.168.119.128]) by ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B2356E70 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:31:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:31:20 +1000 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Once again abt. Translator... Message-ID: <15D9889E52913093BBA84B4D@blurk> In-Reply-To: <7910632176.20040630154840@gmx.net> References: <551787130.20040629015637@gmx.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20040628204535.024a3ee0@mail.chickensys.com> <7910632176.20040630154840@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; Chris: > BTW: Was there ever an official statement of Roland why they *never* > released any tool (exept SDISK) to deal with their sample Disks and > CDs?? Ahem. Roland didn't "release" SDISK. That was written by Nic Grant years ago, who made it freely available to Roland sampler users. I think Roland just grabbed a copy and put it up on their web site for a while (and it was an older version, at that). 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From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jun 30 21:35:57 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20239 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:57 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407010135.VAA20239@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20235 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:56 -0400 From: DAJA300@aol.com Received: from DAJA300@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.ca.2d91b547 (3964) for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:35:28 EDT Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds To: sgroup@sgroup.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088645728" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; -------------------------------1088645728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys I find the information very useful. I do not have a manual so I saved everything. I was looking at the pdf from Roland's website and interestingly enough discovered that I can use the iomega 1gb drives as well. Anxiously I began hooking mine up to discover I did not have a gender changer db25 to try this out. Anyone tried this yet? As I understand it there are some incompatibility issues with jaz and the MPC though I have never experienced any such problems with mine so I was wondering if the S760 is left without these types of problems. I am thinking to maybe use my jaz with the s-760 but it's just a thought for now as I may have other plans for it. BTW Roland is also saying in so many words that it is no mystery which hard drive you use [basically speaking]. That is, most popular ones will work and if they are Mac compatible.. But though I heard some folks saying they even use 1 or 2gb drives and only formatted for the 600MB, my experiences with the Seagate and Quantum drives proved different. The S760 won't even see it. I used 2GB in and 1.2GB drives. My Atari won't see it either but in my Triton Pro one formatted with an error, one I did not get to try at all and the other one was not seen at all. My solution was to get the older models 540MB, 600MB or even 1GB but maybe the really older models. The tech I am buying these from is searching for me as we speak. Dave >>In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:19:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, _debus@cityweb.de_ (mailto:debus@cityweb.de) writes: Am Mittwoch, 30.06.04 um 03:04 Uhr schrieb _DAJA300@aol.com_ (mailto:DAJA300@aol.com) : > So when I save a patch is that equivalent to only one sound? Roland introduced samples, partials, patches, performances and volumes. You're adding another category, "sound". How do you define "sound"? A partial can layer up to four samples which can be hard switched or crossfaded depending on MIDI velocity or MIDI CC. It also contains a lot of other parameters (filter for instance) that affect "sound". In a patch you can assign several partials to MIDI note numbers. In a performance you can assign several patches to MIDI channels. You can also assign more than one patch to the same MIDI channel, so more layering can be done here. So, depending on the point of view, a patch can consist of "only one sound", a piano for instance, that still uses many different samples depending on MIDI note number and velocity; or of "many different sounds", for instance a drum kit. Ingo<< -------------------------------1088645728 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guys I find the information very useful. I do not have a manual so I sa= ved=20 everything.
 
I was looking at the pdf from Roland's website and interestingly enough= =20 discovered that I can use the iomega 1gb drives as well. Anxiously I be= gan=20 hooking mine up to discover I did not have a gender changer db25 to try this= =20 out.
 
Anyone tried this yet? As I understand it there are some=20 incompatibility issues with jaz and the MPC though I have never experienced=20= any=20 such problems with mine so I was wondering if the S760 is left without these= =20 types of problems.
 
I am thinking to maybe use my jaz with the s-760 but it's just a though= t=20 for now as I may have other plans for it.
 
BTW Roland is also saying in so many words that it is no mystery which=20= hard=20 drive you use [basically speaking]. That is, most popular ones will wor= k=20 and if they are Mac compatible.. But though I heard some folks saying they e= ven=20 use 1 or 2gb drives and only formatted for the 600MB, my experiences with th= e=20 Seagate and Quantum drives proved different. The S760 won't even see it. I u= sed=20 2GB in and 1.2GB drives. My Atari won't see it either but in my Triton Pro o= ne=20 formatted with an error, one I did not get to try at all and the other one w= as=20 not seen at all.
 
My solution was to get the older models 540MB, 600MB or even 1GB but ma= ybe=20 the really older models. The tech I am buying these from is searching for me= as=20 we speak.
 
Dave
 
>>In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:19:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,= debus@cityweb.de writes:
 

Am Mittwoch, 30.06.04 um 03:04 Uhr schrieb DAJA300@aol.com:
 
> So when I save a patch is that equivalent to only one sound?
 
Roland introduced samples, partials, patches, performances and volumes.= =20
You're adding another category, "sound". How do you define "sound"?
 
A partial can layer up to four samples which can be hard switched or=20
crossfaded depending on MIDI velocity or MIDI CC. It also contains a lot=20 of other parameters (filter for instance) that affect "sound".
In a patch= you=20 can assign several partials to MIDI note numbers. In a
performance you c= an=20 assign several patches to MIDI channels. You can
also assign more than o= ne=20 patch to the same MIDI channel, so more
layering can be done here.
 
So, depending on the point of view, a patch can consist of "only one=20
sound", a piano for instance, that still uses many different samples=20
depending on MIDI note number and velocity; or of "many different=20
sounds", for instance a drum kit.
 
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 -------------------------------1088645728-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Wed Jun 30 22:11:33 2004 Received: (from mail@localhost) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21692 for sgroup_site5-list; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:11:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:11:33 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200407010211.WAA21692@s1.syonex.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.syonex.com: mail set sender to owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca using -f Received: from ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com (dsl-210-15-250-66.NSW.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.66]) by s1.syonex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21688 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:11:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF99F56E11 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:11:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ptraci [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04556-01 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:11:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from [192.168.119.128] (bmaier.internal.sensorynetworks.com [192.168.119.128]) by ptraci.internal.sensorynetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923EA56E00 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:11:04 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:11:07 +1000 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Managing sounds Message-ID: <51272E45B926D9A0665B60EC@blurk> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Precedence: bulk Resent-From: sgroup@www.sgroup.ca Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; DAJA300@aol.com: > I was looking at the pdf from Roland's website and interestingly enough > discovered that I can use the iomega 1gb drives as well. Anxiously I began > hooking mine up to discover I did not have a gender changer db25 to try this > out. > Anyone tried this yet? I've successfully used a 1GB Jaz drive with my S-760. > BTW Roland is also saying in so many words that it is no mystery which hard > drive you use [basically speaking]. That is, most popular ones will work > and if they are Mac compatible.. All the SCSI drives I've tried have worked with it. Mind you, these are mostly older drives that I've scavenged from various sources. I think these have all been 540MB and 1GB models (I'm pretty sure I haven't had a 2GB SCSI drive to try). > But though I heard some folks saying they > even use 1 or 2gb drives and only formatted for the 600MB, my experiences > with the Seagate and Quantum drives proved different. The S760 won't even > see it. I used 2GB in and 1.2GB drives. My Atari won't see it either but > in my Triton Pro one formatted with an error, one I did not get to try at > all and the other one was not seen at all. Given the problems you are having with these drives in your other gear, perhaps the drives are duds? Alternatively, and this is pure speculation on my part, they're not wide or ultra-wide SCSI drives are they? Regardless, maybe you have some termination problems or dodgy cables in your SCSI chain. Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on sgroup.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@sgroup.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.