From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 1 23:00:53 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193785-9454>; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:00:46 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193737-9454>; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:00:36 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h5230VD56368 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:00:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mercia.host4u.net ([216.71.64.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193737-9454>; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:16:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (ctt188064.ceinetworks.com [216.169.188.64]) by mercia.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h521G5b08540 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:16:05 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:15:34 -0400 Subject: sgroup Latest Versions on Roland Software From: "Robert S. Sarnoski" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, Does anyone know, or I should say tell me, what the latest versions are for the S-550 operating system and utility disk? I just got my 550 days ago and it came with version 1.01 for the operating system. My utility disk is the same. I downloaded an disk image yesterday and it come up as version 1.11. That=B9s all fine, but my utility disk won't work with it. Thanks in advance (because you folks haven't let me down yet!!), Bob Sarnoski movingplaid@movingplaid.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 04:25:38 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193785-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:25:30 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193737-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:25:20 -0400 Received: from s060b021.kapsch.co.at (s060b021.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.6) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:25:12 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by s060b021.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:25:12 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: sgroup DT-100 Drawing Tablet - Anyone use this? Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:25:11 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C13CC@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: sgroup DT-100 Drawing Tablet - Anyone use this? Thread-Index: AcMnMcc4g9hgAoUJTjexhkgSB+xo2ABr1D5g From: "Ullrich Peter" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 08:25:12.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C7EB590:01C328E0] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >Could someone tell me more about this "DT-100 Drawing Tablet"? You can have a look at my DT100 page: www.ullrich.at.tt under Music / S-760 / DT-100 or use the direct link: http://home.pages.at/pullrich/dt100.htm Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich As of 1st of February there are new numbers: Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 (0)-50 811 2209 eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ -----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, = copying, distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be = unlawful. 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From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 07:57:37 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193785-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 07:57:27 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193737-23954>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 07:57:16 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h52BvBd80957 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 07:57:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from [212.115.146.242] (mail.hivos.nl [212.115.146.242]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193737-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:02:59 -0400 Received: from mail.hivos.nl by [212.115.146.242] via smtpd (for hugin.uunet.ca [209.167.141.2]) with ESMTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:02:55 +0200 Received: from netbox.hivos.nl (unverified) by kerberos.intra.hivos.nl (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:54:09 +0200 Received: from CID7804 (cid7804.hivos.nl [192.168.200.186]) by netbox.hivos.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA07332 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:28:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200306020828.KAA07332@netbox.hivos.nl> From: "Ferry Bodijn" Organization: Stichting Hivos To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 04:06:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade In-reply-to: <001b01c325f9$db64b300$d9a0580c@epu1> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk harold, I think that Roland would have done this hack when they created the s760 becuase they would have sold much more of them. I'm not and expert but had my homework about digital electronics and learned that one of the specs of an cpu is his ability to address an specific amount of memory. I do not know what cpu is in an s760 but I assume the hardware is MSX related so in that case an Z80 cpu. The Z80 has an 16bits address bus and that is enough for 640Kb. Now you will say how is it possible that an s760 has 32Mb? Well, I think the people at roland used an technology which is called bankswitching. In other words I think the hardware in an s760 is already pushed to the limits when it was designed..... just my 2cents. Ferry From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade Date sent: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:48:48 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C325D8.44722200 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hey, > > My friend Duane Johnson swears he's a hardware hack and can accomplish = > anything. He expanded his old Commodore 128 to 2MB when we were kids and = > swears he can hack a Roland S760. If all's said and done, by the end of = > this year, one of our Roland S760s will be able to use 128MB.=20 > > I doubt he'd be able to do it, but since I'm on the OT subject of hacks, = > does anyone know of any famous hardware hacks which "increased" = > productivity of a music machine? I remember reading in the sgroup = > archives about a German company who released some type of TURBO hardware = > that increased the memory and speed of the Roland S750. > > Later, > Harold > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C325D8.44722200 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
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My friend Duane Johnson swears = > he's a hardware=20 > hack and can accomplish anything. He expanded his old Commodore 128 to = > 2MB when=20 > we were kids and swears he can hack a Roland S760. If all's said and = > done, by=20 > the end of this year, one of our Roland S760s will be able to use 128MB. = > >
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I doubt he'd be able to do it, but = > since I'm on the=20 > OT subject of hacks, does anyone know of any famous hardware hacks which = > > "increased" productivity of a music machine? I remember reading in the = > sgroup=20 > archives about a German company who released some type of TURBO hardware = > that=20 > increased the memory and speed of the Roland S750.
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C325D8.44722200-- > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > ________________________ Hivos Ferry Bodijn tel: +31-(0)70-3765500 f.bodijn@hivos.nl http://www.hivos.nl ****************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message is free of computer viruses. Hivos ****************************************************** - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 10:42:59 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193737-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:42:49 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193728-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:42:46 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:40:49 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D06000000000007B92B8A@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:42:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello everyone: Well I got my new S330 up and running. Sounds great. Unfortunately the vendor only provided me with one disk, which has the system boot and a bunch of sounds. Therefore I have no Utility Disk for sampling. I downloaded the util-103.out file and tried using SDISK to make a Utility disk. I had no luck at all in doing this. SDISK has worked fine for me in the past with my S760, but for the S330 no luck. I used DD disks and booted from DOS, and followed all instructions carefully. The errors SDISK gave were along the lines of 'sector address not found' and 'error reading disk'. Is there anyone with a S330 willing to send me a Utility Disk? I can send you the *.out file that I received with the S330 in exchange, which has some pretty interesting sounds. Thanks, Ralph Detko Toronto, Canada - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 10:49:18 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193737-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:49:13 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193728-23954>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:49:01 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.6) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:48:53 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 16:48:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C13D2@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Thread-Index: AcMpFVE+H6A6wZ8HQa2cnMWK/fOqGAAAU4oA From: "Ullrich Peter" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 14:48:53.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[1636DF20:01C32916] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I downloaded the util-103.out file and tried using SDISK to make a = Utility >disk. I had no luck at all in doing this. SDISK has worked fine for me = in >the past with my S760, but for the S330 no luck. I used DD disks and = booted >from DOS, and followed all instructions carefully. The errors SDISK = gave >were along the lines of 'sector address not found' and 'error reading = disk'. Try SdiskW for windows.... maybe it works with it... http://w30.frankie.sk/sdiskw/ The latest version of sdisk for DOS was 1.1... have you tried this = version or version 1.0? Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich As of 1st of February there are new numbers: Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 (0)-50 811 2209 eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ -----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, = copying, distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be = unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please inform us immediately, delete = this e-mail and all attachments from your system, and refrain from taking any = other action in reliance to this e-mail. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 11:28:59 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193737-23954>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:28:51 -0400 Received: from mercia.host4u.net ([216.71.64.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193728-23954>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:28:44 -0400 Received: from movingplaid.com (serverexchange.avantext.com [209.74.15.34]) by mercia.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h52FSaC22445; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDB6E9C.2030500@movingplaid.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:34:52 -0400 From: "Robert S. Sarnoski" Reply-To: movingplaid@movingplaid.com Organization: movingplaid User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ullrich Peter CC: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: AW: sgroup S330 Utility Disk References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C13D2@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Will the Floppy Image program work for the S-330 (reported by Matthew Harsh) I have been using it for the S-550 without a hitch on WindowsXP Bob Sarnoski movingplaid@movingplaid.com Ullrich Peter wrote: >>I downloaded the util-103.out file and tried using SDISK to make a Utility >>disk. I had no luck at all in doing this. SDISK has worked fine for me in >>the past with my S760, but for the S330 no luck. I used DD disks and booted >> >> >>from DOS, and followed all instructions carefully. The errors SDISK gave > > >>were along the lines of 'sector address not found' and 'error reading disk'. >> >> > >Try SdiskW for windows.... maybe it works with it... > >http://w30.frankie.sk/sdiskw/ > >The latest version of sdisk for DOS was 1.1... have you tried this version or >version 1.0? > >Ciao >Peter > > \|/ > (o o) >--oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ > Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net > Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich > As of 1st of February there are new numbers: > Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 (0)-50 811 2209 > eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 > .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician > ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria > \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ >-----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- > (_/ > >This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are confidential, >protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named >recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, copying, >distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be unlawful. If >you are not the intended recipient, please inform us immediately, delete this >e-mail and all attachments from your system, and refrain from taking any other >action in reliance to this e-mail. > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 11:34:20 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193737-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:34:14 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193728-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:34:04 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.6) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:33:55 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:33:54 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:33:54 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C13D4@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Thread-Index: AcMpG6RR8fdfDymBR1avyW9gKhyyaAAAQxrA From: "Ullrich Peter" To: Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 15:33:54.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[60467840:01C3291C] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Will the Floppy Image program work for the S-330 (reported by Matthew = Harsh) >I have been using it for the S-550 without a hitch on WindowsXP Yes, also the floppy image program should work with it. And also winimage should work... but I have not tried... http://www.winimage.com/winimage.htm Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich As of 1st of February there are new numbers: Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 (0)-50 811 2209 eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ -----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, = copying, distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be = unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please inform us immediately, delete = this e-mail and all attachments from your system, and refrain from taking any = other action in reliance to this e-mail. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 12:39:43 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193737-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:39:34 -0400 Received: from mercury.is.co.za ([196.4.160.222]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193728-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:39:24 -0400 Received: from [196.26.218.82] (c6-rba-82.dial-up.net [196.26.218.82]) by mercury.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CE2B7F96 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 18:39:07 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200306020828.KAA07332@netbox.hivos.nl> References: <200306020828.KAA07332@netbox.hivos.nl> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:38:57 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I often wonder if Roland or anyone else could be persuaded to write an update of the S760 OS which could work together with a hardware update? These Musitronics folks I mentioned made a board for the D550 that works well. If enough users worldwide would buy such an upgrade for the S760, perhaps someone would take the time to create it? Just thinking aloud....... Regards - Colin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >I think that Roland would have done this hack when they created the >s760 becuase they would have sold much more of them. I'm not and >expert but had my homework about digital electronics and learned that >one of the specs of an cpu is his ability to address an specific amount >of memory. I do not know what cpu is in an s760 but I assume the >hardware is MSX related so in that case an Z80 cpu. The Z80 has an >16bits address bus and that is enough for 640Kb. > >Now you will say how is it possible that an s760 has 32Mb? Well, I >think the people at roland used an technology which is called >bankswitching. > >In other words I think the hardware in an s760 is already pushed to the >limits when it was designed..... > >just my 2cents. > >Ferry - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 13:07:27 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193741-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:07:17 -0400 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193740-23955>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:07:07 -0400 Received: from [80.46.159.239] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Msm0-000Crc-4S for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:07:04 +0100 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 13:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > if Roland or anyone else could be persuaded to write > an update of the S760 OS This is as likely as a Gary Glitter come-back sponsored by Blue Peter! And a variant for our US friends, this is as likely as a Ted Bundy appreciation society sponsored by Sesame Street! Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 15:19:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193741-23954>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:19:32 -0400 Received: from mercia.host4u.net ([216.71.64.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193740-23954>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:19:21 -0400 Received: from movingplaid.com (serverexchange.avantext.com [209.74.15.34]) by mercia.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h52JJHX09264 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:19:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDBA4AD.6070409@movingplaid.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:25:33 -0400 From: "Robert S. Sarnoski" Reply-To: movingplaid@movingplaid.com Organization: movingplaid User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Director S Software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk mmmm, more questions for you today (and I am full of them)... I haven't worked with it yet, but I was curious to know if the Director S software can sequence more than device at a time (i.e. I have an S-330 and an S-550 and I only want to use one device to control itself and the other). Can I do that or do I have to create sequences on each one separately and then trigger them to play together? Bob Sarnoski movingplaid@movingplaid.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 2 22:53:17 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193741-27009>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:53:11 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193740-27009>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:53:00 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h532qu617668 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:52:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from snoopy.pacific.net.au ([61.8.0.36]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193740-23954>; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from sunny.pacific.net.au (sunny.pacific.net.au [203.2.228.40]) by snoopy.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.3) with ESMTP id h532LuPB020794 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:22:02 +1000 Received: from wisma.pacific.net.au (wisma.pacific.net.au [210.23.129.72]) by sunny.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id h532LuQg029981 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:21:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.254] (ppp105.adsl89.pacific.net.au [202.7.89.105]) by wisma.pacific.net.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h532LqYZ004672 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:21:56 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:25:22 -0400 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade Message-ID: <3537455492.1054643122@[192.168.0.11]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ferry Bodijn wrote: > I think that Roland would have done this hack when they created the > s760 becuase they would have sold much more of them. I'm not and > expert but had my homework about digital electronics and learned that > one of the specs of an cpu is his ability to address an specific amount > of memory. I do not know what cpu is in an s760 but I assume the > hardware is MSX related so in that case an Z80 cpu. The Z80 has an > 16bits address bus and that is enough for 640Kb. Well - many, many years ago I opened up my S-760 to install the OP-760 board. So I had a good look around to try and spot the processor. Now, I'm not an expert on electronics and what chips do what, but the chip I do remember noticing was an Intel 80C196 which, at the time, I assumed was the processor. I think I would have noticed a Z80. I've now looked up the 80C196, and see it's a microcontroller rather than a microprocessor. I don't know if this means there is another processor chip in the S-760, with the 80C196 just doing the DSP, or whether this it is the main processor. > Now you will say how is it possible that an s760 has 32Mb? Well, I > think the people at roland used an technology which is called > bankswitching. All this is speculative, particularly since I think there is no Z80 in there. Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 3 04:53:22 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193745-16615>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 04:53:19 -0400 Received: from BIE14s.brother.co.uk (bie14s.brother.co.uk [195.226.51.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193742-16615>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 04:53:09 -0400 Received: by BIE14s.brother.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:47:54 +0100 Message-ID: <7E444F72B4CAB946A4389714E9FBBD9401D01F1B@BIE14s.brother.co.uk> From: Steven Downhill To: "SGROUP (E-mail)" Subject: RE: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade (Now Getting Slightly OT) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 04:47:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The Zilog Z80 microprocessor is a very, very old chip that was used in Sinclair, Toshiba, CGL etc home computers at the beginning of the 80s. The Z80 had a 16 bit address bus which meant that the maximum amount of memory available to the processor at one time was 2^16 bytes = 65536 bytes = 64Kbytes. There wouldn't be a Z80 chip in the S760 as the memory addressable at any one time is far too small (especially considering that the maximum memory in an S760 is 32MB). It would also be impossible for it to process all of the data that's flying around at a rather paltry clock speed of around 3MHz (if I remember correctly). Just because the S760 can take an MSX compatible mouse doesn't mean that it's an MSX machine in any other way. The MSX standard that's been quoted below refers to the ill fated home computers of the early 80's onwards and is nothing to do with the S760. Bank switching is where, for example with old Commodore 128 computers which uses a 6502 microprocessor, there are two banks of 64Kbyte RAM, of which only one at a time can be accessed by the processor although they can be switched between giving the impression of 128Kbytes. I think this type of technology has been implemented on some samplers. I wouldn't like to comment on what processor is inside the S760 as I've never looked in one before. I'll leave that to somebody else to answer... Regards Steven full of useless information.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernie Maier [SMTP:blurk@zip.com.au] > Sent: 03 June 2003 03:25 > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade > > Ferry Bodijn wrote: > > > I think that Roland would have done this hack when they created the > > s760 becuase they would have sold much more of them. I'm not and > > expert but had my homework about digital electronics and learned that > > one of the specs of an cpu is his ability to address an specific amount > > of memory. I do not know what cpu is in an s760 but I assume the > > hardware is MSX related so in that case an Z80 cpu. The Z80 has an > > 16bits address bus and that is enough for 640Kb. > > Well - many, many years ago I opened up my S-760 to install the > OP-760 board. So I had a good look around to try and spot the > processor. Now, I'm not an expert on electronics and what chips > do what, but the chip I do remember noticing was an Intel 80C196 > which, at the time, I assumed was the processor. I think I would > have noticed a Z80. > > I've now looked up the 80C196, and see it's a microcontroller rather > than a microprocessor. I don't know if this means there is another > processor chip in the S-760, with the 80C196 just doing the DSP, or > whether this it is the main processor. > > > Now you will say how is it possible that an s760 has 32Mb? Well, I > > think the people at roland used an technology which is called > > bankswitching. > > All this is speculative, particularly since I think there is no > Z80 in there. > > Cheers, > > Bernie > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > IMPORTANT NOTICE The contents of this email are confidential and are for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 3 09:44:37 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193746-16615>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:44:28 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193745-16615>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:44:25 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h53DiK950669 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:44:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from [212.115.146.242] (mail.hivos.nl [212.115.146.242]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193742-16616>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:11:11 -0400 Received: from mail.hivos.nl by [212.115.146.242] via smtpd (for hugin.uunet.ca [209.167.141.2]) with ESMTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:11:10 +0200 Received: from netbox.hivos.nl (unverified) by kerberos.intra.hivos.nl (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:02:17 +0200 Received: from CID7804 (cid7804.hivos.nl [192.168.200.186]) by netbox.hivos.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA16889 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:36:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200306030736.JAA16889@netbox.hivos.nl> From: "Ferry Bodijn" Organization: Stichting Hivos To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 03:14:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade In-reply-to: <3537455492.1054643122@[192.168.0.11]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk 7F00,0000,0000> Bernie Maier < wrote:FF00,0000,0000 7F00,0000,0000> I've now looked up the 80C196, and see it's a microcontroller rather > than a microprocessor. I don't know if this means there is another > processor chip in the S-760, with the 80C196 just doing the DSP, or > whether this it is the main processor. > > > Now you will say how is it possible that an s760 has 32Mb? Well, I > > think the people at roland used an technology which is called > > bankswitching. > > All this is speculative, particularly since I think there is no > Z80 in there. > > Cheers, > > Bernie 7F00,0000,0000>7F00,0000,0000 Bernie, Thanks for the information. Offcourse I'm just guessing and is my remark hypothetical. But looking at an s760 it's clear that it is an computer with and cpu, ram, rom, os, keyboard, mouse, display and offcourse some dsp stuff ;) And it's old, maby not based on a z80 and you have to compare it with it's timeframe mates. ________________________ Hivos Ferry Bodijn tel: +31-(0)70-3765500 f.bodijn@hivos.nl http://www.hivos.nl ****************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message is free of computer viruses. Hivos ****************************************************** - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 3 09:45:22 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193758-16616>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:45:18 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193746-16616>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:45:12 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h53Dj7N50715 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:45:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from snoopy.pacific.net.au ([61.8.0.36]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193742-16616>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:04:20 -0400 Received: from sunny.pacific.net.au (sunny.pacific.net.au [203.2.228.40]) by snoopy.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.3) with ESMTP id h5394FPB017210 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:04:15 +1000 Received: from wisma.pacific.net.au (wisma.pacific.net.au [210.23.129.72]) by sunny.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id h5394FQg014396 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:04:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.254] (ppp105.adsl89.pacific.net.au [202.7.89.105]) by wisma.pacific.net.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5394EYZ023418 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:04:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:07:45 -0400 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade (Now Getting Slightly OT) Message-ID: <3561599048.1054667265@[192.168.0.11]> In-Reply-To: <7E444F72B4CAB946A4389714E9FBBD9401D01F1B@BIE14s.brother.co.uk> References: <7E444F72B4CAB946A4389714E9FBBD9401D01F1B@BIE14s.brother.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Steven Downhill wrote: [...] > Bank switching is where, for example with old Commodore 128 computers > which uses a 6502 microprocessor, there are two banks of 64Kbyte RAM, of > which only one at a time can be accessed by the processor although they > can be switched between giving the impression of 128Kbytes. I think this > type of technology has been implemented on some samplers. It's interesting you should mention the Commodore 128. Harold sent the following reply (which I think was meant for the whole, so I'll forward it here). Cheers, Bernie ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Tuesday, 3 June 2003 12:49 AM -0400 From: "Harold Everton, Jr." Subject: Re: sgroup New 128MB Memory Upgrade Hey All, I seriously doubt bank switching is talking place in this situation. I'm very familiar with bank switching, like with a Z80 processor, bankswitching took place quite a bit on 8 bit machines because of the 64k address limit. I remember my friends Commodore 128 being a computer in which it's 128k was split in to two banks of 64k of which the C128 could only see one of at a time. The memory expansion cartridge which was marketed for it (expanding its memory to a whopping 640k) had something like 8 more banks of 64k. Even the GEORAM 8MB cartridges were combinations of 64k banks. This CAN'T be the case on the S760. The S760 uses 16 bit address bus, hence it being touted as a 16 bit sampler. I wouldn't doubt that there are math co-processors included. 16 bit machines should theoretically max out at 4GB, but it all depends on what the OS is allowed to address. Most computers at the time of the S760s introduction were still using 2MB-4MB, so 32MB seemed like a lot. Similarly, most hard drives were still running at 80-160MB. Some wiz I'm sure, if had the time, could probably crack some type of code. But until this happens, if we stick to our S760s, we'll be stuck with 32MB and 600MB drives. It sure would be nice to have a 64 or 128MB S760 with a 20GB hard drive! However, then you guys would probably ask for more polyphony! When is Roland coming out with that S960! Later, Harold ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 3 09:45:43 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193795-16615>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:45:34 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193758-16615>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:45:28 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h53DjO150725 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:45:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193742-16616>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:46:01 -0400 Received: from deepgreen (81.166.9.130) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.026) id 3ECC3D3E003D3F47 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:45:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c329b4$ef62d670$8209a651@deepgreen> From: "zzzzzz" To: Subject: sgroup Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:45:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C329C5.B2544870" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "zzzzzz" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:45:32 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C329C5.B2544870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello a lot of disk image at the url = http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/Roland/S50/ (80/100) don't work with my s50. the s50 load the disk and say INSERT S-50 DISK i used floppy image sdisk and........what can i do? i have problem to connect s50 to pc via midi port, with midiquest the = s50 seem to not response to the program, no edit, but by pressing key midiquest receive message.. sorry for my english=20 and thanks.. jerek jerek.carnelian@libertsurf.fr ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C329C5.B2544870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello
a lot of disk image at the url http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/Roland/S50/
(80/100) don't work with my = s50.
the s50 load the disk and say  = INSERT S-50=20 DISK
 
i used floppy image sdisk = and........what can i=20 do?
 
i have problem to connect s50 to pc via = midi port,=20 with midiquest the s50 seem to not = response to=20 the program,
no edit, but by pressing key midiquest = receive=20 message..
 
sorry for my english
and thanks..
 
jerek   =20 jerek.carnelian@libertsurf.fr
 
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From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 3 10:23:41 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193746-16616>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:23:32 -0400 Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193745-16616>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:23:21 -0400 Received: from skeletonhome.com (h-68-165-136-93.NYCMNY83.covad.net [68.165.136.93]) by valiant.cnchost.com id KAA10744; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:23:16 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.15] Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:23:18 -0400 Subject: sgroup dsp-quattro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: bruce tovsky To: sgroup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk hey all it's been a while since i had anything worthwhile for the list, but this was something that i thought everyone who's a mac user would enjoy: http://www.i3net.it/Products/dspQuattro/Asp/Features_EN.asp?Language=EN this is an osx native update of the venerable d-sound pro editor, with continuing support for the s550 et al! and if you are a d-sound pro owner there is a crossgrade offer. looks pretty cool. cheers bruce - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Jun 3 16:59:49 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193761-16615>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:59:47 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193730-16615>; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:59:36 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:57:18 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D06000000000007B92B92@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:58:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I tried sdisk for windows, using a DD disk formatted on the s330 and got the following error messages: "Can't open floppy drive" "Sector Invalid" So unless someone can offer further advice, I respectfully renew my appeal for a utility disk. thanks Ralph >-----Original Message----- >From: Detko, Ralph: OS_TDO >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:01 AM >To: 'Ullrich Peter' >Subject: RE: sgroup S330 Utility Disk > > >thanks >I wasn't aware of the windows version. I will give it a try. >Ralph > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ullrich Peter [mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net] >>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:49 AM >>To: Detko, Ralph: OS_TDO; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >>Subject: AW: sgroup S330 Utility Disk >> >> >>>I downloaded the util-103.out file and tried using SDISK to >>make a Utility >>>disk. I had no luck at all in doing this. SDISK has worked >>fine for me in >>>the past with my S760, but for the S330 no luck. I used DD >>disks and booted >>>from DOS, and followed all instructions carefully. The errors >>SDISK gave >>>were along the lines of 'sector address not found' and 'error >>reading disk'. >> >>Try SdiskW for windows.... maybe it works with it... >> >>http://w30.frankie.sk/sdiskw/ >> >>The latest version of sdisk for DOS was 1.1... have you tried >>this version or >>version 1.0? >> >>Ciao >>Peter >> >> \|/ >> (o o) >>--oOOO--(_)--OOOo--------------------------------------------- >--------- >> Ing. Peter Ullrich >mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net >> Homepage: >www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich >> As of 1st of February there are new numbers: >> Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 >(0)-50 811 2209 >> eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 >> .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / >Electronic Musician >> ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna >>/ Austria >> \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ >>-----\_)----) >/-------------------------------------------------------- >> (_/ >> >>This e-mail and any attachment and the included information >>are confidential, >>protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named >>recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any >>disclosure, copying, >>distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may >>be unlawful. 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From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 4 02:44:54 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193761-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:44:53 -0400 Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193730-21875>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 02:44:43 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust165.tnt3.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.28.165]) by bird.de.uu.net (8.9.3p2/5.5.5) with ESMTP id IAA05777 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 08:44:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3EDCBBAB.3080904@cityweb.de> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:15:55 -0400 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; de-DE; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D06000000000007B92B8A@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca wrote: > I downloaded the util-103.out file and tried using SDISK to make a Utility > disk. I had no luck at all in doing this. SDISK has worked fine for me in > the past with my S760, but for the S330 no luck. I used DD disks and booted > from DOS, and followed all instructions carefully. The errors SDISK gave > were along the lines of 'sector address not found' and 'error reading disk'. Since DD disks aren't made often (at all?) nowadays, the disks you're using are perhaps old and maybe defective. Did you try several disks or a fresh HD disk with the hole covered? I don't know if this is true for floppy disks, but I do know that magnetic tape doesn't last forever. Only guessing here, but is it possible that modern disk drives don't accept DD disks anymore? Any chance to try on a different computer? Or perhaps a misalignment between your sampler's or your computer's drive? On which drive did you format the disk? Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 4 04:17:14 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193761-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:17:07 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193730-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:16:56 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.6) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:16:53 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:16:53 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 04:16:53 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C13DE@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Thread-Index: AcMqEyFIuOArCz98RB+hNyCAEGSw4QAXwmqg From: "Ullrich Peter" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 08:16:53.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[A810F320:01C32A71] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >I tried sdisk for windows, using a DD disk formatted on the s330 and = got the >following error messages: > >"Can't open floppy drive" >"Sector Invalid" > >So unless someone can offer further advice, I respectfully renew my = appeal >for a utility disk. OK, so you have the same problem I had. >using a DD disk formatted on the s330 I can not work with disks formatted on the S-330!!! I have to format them on the PC! format a: /f:720 Then it should work! Let us know if this is the solution for you! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich As of 1st of February there are new numbers: Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 (0)-50 811 2209 eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ -----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). 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From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 4 07:27:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193761-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:27:45 -0400 Received: from imf40bis.bellsouth.net (mail125.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.65]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193748-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:27:42 -0400 Received: from viccomp ([68.154.184.214]) by imf40bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030604112955.USLU416.imf40bis.bellsouth.net@viccomp> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:29:55 -0400 From: "vic cheese and scott" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 07:29:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C13DE@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk got that error a couple of times myself last night. Just downloaded sdisk for windows. oddly it seems that I had to let the blank floppy. formatted for either pc or the sampler. Sit in the floppy drive for a couple of seconds before I could read or write data. It does seem to work fine that way. Vic -----Original Message----- From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On Behalf Of Ullrich Peter Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 3:17 AM To: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca; sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: AW: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Hi! >I tried sdisk for windows, using a DD disk formatted on the s330 and got the >following error messages: > >"Can't open floppy drive" >"Sector Invalid" > >So unless someone can offer further advice, I respectfully renew my appeal >for a utility disk. OK, so you have the same problem I had. >using a DD disk formatted on the s330 I can not work with disks formatted on the S-330!!! I have to format them on the PC! format a: /f:720 Then it should work! Let us know if this is the solution for you! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich As of 1st of February there are new numbers: Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 (0)-50 811 2209 eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ -----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 4 10:18:05 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193761-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:17:57 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193748-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:17:51 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:11:18 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D06000000000007B92B97@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: peter.ullrich@kapsch.net, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:12:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately this did not work, the same errors were generated. I tried with an HD formatted for 720 as well as a DD but same thing in both cases. Note I tried this on my old P90 and a very recent PC at my office. Ralph >>I tried sdisk for windows, using a DD disk formatted on the >s330 and got the >>following error messages: >> >>"Can't open floppy drive" >>"Sector Invalid" >OK, so you have the same problem I had. > >>using a DD disk formatted on the s330 > >I can not work with disks formatted on the S-330!!! >I have to format them on the PC! >format a: /f:720 > >Then it should work! >Let us know if this is the solution for you! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 4 10:24:25 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193761-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:24:13 -0400 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193748-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:24:10 -0400 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.6) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:24:04 +0200 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.116]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 4 Jun 2003 16:24:04 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:24:04 -0400 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C13EE@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Thread-Index: AcMqpBP5Mh0WzbSlRIqDGDIKWmbatwAATLmg From: "Ullrich Peter" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 14:24:04.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3868B70:01C32AA4] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately this did not work, the same errors = were >generated. >I tried with an HD formatted for 720 as well as a DD but same thing in = both >cases. Note I tried this on my old P90 and a very recent PC at my = office. So another try... Which operating system are you using? The sdisk dos version sometimes does not work in a dos window of win98. You have to boot in dos mode. Even better: copy sdisk and the image file to an dirctory on your = harddisk. Boot with an old DOS 6.22 bootdisk and work under this old dos version. Short file names [8:3] are better here of course... Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich As of 1st of February there are new numbers: Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 (0)-50 811 2209 eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ -----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, = copying, distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be = unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please inform us immediately, delete = this e-mail and all attachments from your system, and refrain from taking any = other action in reliance to this e-mail. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 4 19:53:12 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193762-21875>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:53:05 -0400 Received: from mx65.moose.co.uk (mx65.backup.moose.co.uk [217.169.23.165]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193749-21876>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:52:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (195-102-149-167.adsl.moose.co.uk [195.102.149.167]) by mx65.moose.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h54NqfPx015298 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 00:52:43 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C13EE@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> References: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C13EE@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:53:44 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Steve Brodie Subject: Re:sgroup S330 Utility Disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk It seems I'm in a very similar position! I've been an S10 user for years but have just bought an S330 which arrived earlier in the week. I've got new 2D/DD disks which the S330 has formatted and I've tried Sdisk 1.1 booting from Dos and v1.3 from windows 98 but the error messages are very similar to Ralph's e.g 'sector invalid'...'no disc in drive' etc. I have also tried an HD disk with tape, no luck either! To be honest I didn't understand Peter's instructions on how to format the disks on the PC,so I haven't been able to try that yet...(an idiots guide would be appreciated Peter)? I'm wondering if I'd have any more luck on my Mac, but as it doesn't have a disk drive it would mean buying a usb floppy without knowing if it would work, does anybody use a set up like this? Any help would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Steve Brodie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 5 14:00:01 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193764-1483>; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:59:53 -0400 Received: from mx65.moose.co.uk (mx65.backup.moose.co.uk [217.169.23.165]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193756-1483>; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:59:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (195-102-149-167.adsl.moose.co.uk [195.102.149.167]) by mx65.moose.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h55HxWPx025988 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:59:33 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: stevebrodie@moose.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:00:32 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Steve Brodie Subject: RE: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I should make it clear that in my case it is not a specific problem with the utility disk-I haven't managed to create any disks from the disk images yet! Since my last post I have found the instructions on formatting a disk on the PC on the Sdiskw website. Interestingly neither my desktop PC (Win 98) or an old Compaq laptop I tried (Win 95) would format a disk at 720kb regardless of whether it was a DD or HD disk (tape over hole or not). I was getting very similar error messages to those sdisk was generating i.e 'no disk in drive' 'the disk may be damaged or the drive door is not closed'.I suspect this is the root of my problem rather than something to do with Sdisk, could it be disk drive just won't read double sided/DD disks. Obviously I have tried lots of different disks, but to no avail. I have also tried reading a disk with Sdisk that does work in the S330. Sdisk gives me similar error messages as when trying to write a disk and the application freezes.Leaving the disks in the drive for a while doesn't seem to help. Sorry if this is all very boring for everyone, but I just want to get started with my new 330, I hope you all understand my frustration. Many thanks again for any help. Steve >I made a post to this effect last night. Seriously, for some reason with my >PC (running windows XP pro) I had to let the floppy sit in the drive for >about 30 seconds. Even with no drive light on. Then and only then did it >seem to work. I am currently using Sdisk Win. I was getting the same errors >even with disks that were already supposed to work in my 550 (that weren't). >But letting it sit for a bit seemed to do the trick. I finally have a >utility disk for my 550 now, and until last night it was a paperweight in my >rack. Think letting em sit (the disks) is the ticket to getting this to >work. Try it and let me know what happens. > >Vic > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On >Behalf Of Steve Brodie >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 6:54 PM >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: Re:sgroup S330 Utility Disk > > >It seems I'm in a very similar position! >I've been an S10 user for years but have just bought an S330 which >arrived earlier in the week. I've got new 2D/DD disks which the S330 >has formatted and I've tried Sdisk 1.1 booting from Dos and v1.3 >from windows 98 but the error messages are very similar to Ralph's >e.g 'sector invalid'...'no disc in drive' etc. I have also tried an >HD disk with tape, no luck either! >To be honest I didn't understand Peter's instructions on how to >format the disks on the PC,so I haven't been able to try that >yet...(an idiots guide would be appreciated Peter)? >I'm wondering if I'd have any more luck on my Mac, but as it doesn't >have a disk drive it would mean buying a usb floppy without knowing >if it would work, does anybody use a set up like this? > >Any help would be very much appreciated. > >Cheers, > >Steve Brodie > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 6 05:51:03 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193765-23662>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:50:55 -0400 Received: from mail.mclink.it (net128-053.mclink.it [195.110.128.53]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193764-23663>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:50:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.112] (net141-036.mclink.it [195.110.141.36]) by mail.mclink.it (8.11.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id h569oKt14243; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:50:21 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:50:15 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk From: Stefano Daino To: Steve Brodie , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Steve, > I'm wondering if I'd have any more luck on my Mac, but as it doesn't > have a disk drive it would mean buying a usb floppy without knowing > if it would work, does anybody use a set up like this? When internal, the Mac driver was 'hardware' compatible with Roland disks, when I wrote D-SoundPRO I had not problem to read/write floppy disks in Roland S50/550/330 formats. But it was a low level programming, and I know that it does not work with external USB drivers. I don't know if SAM or SMAC work using USB drivers. Is there anyone knowing this? Thanks Stefano Daino sdaino@d-soundpro.com sdaino@dsp-quattro.com > Da: Steve Brodie > Data: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:53:44 -0400 > A: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Oggetto: Re:sgroup S330 Utility Disk > > > It seems I'm in a very similar position! > I've been an S10 user for years but have just bought an S330 which > arrived earlier in the week. I've got new 2D/DD disks which the S330 > has formatted and I've tried Sdisk 1.1 booting from Dos and v1.3 > from windows 98 but the error messages are very similar to Ralph's > e.g 'sector invalid'...'no disc in drive' etc. I have also tried an > HD disk with tape, no luck either! > To be honest I didn't understand Peter's instructions on how to > format the disks on the PC,so I haven't been able to try that > yet...(an idiots guide would be appreciated Peter)? > I'm wondering if I'd have any more luck on my Mac, but as it doesn't > have a disk drive it would mean buying a usb floppy without knowing > if it would work, does anybody use a set up like this? > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Steve Brodie > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 6 09:53:02 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193766-23662>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:53:01 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193765-23662>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:52:57 -0400 Received: from epu1 (15.new-york-02rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.162.15]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003060613524711100h1s4de>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:52:47 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c32c31$8bbf5e20$0fa2580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , Subject: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:42:59 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32C10.03ED7B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C32C10.03ED7B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, In these days when the samples and programs on CDs are all over 16MB = (good ones anyway), I was wondering if there was anyway of changing the = bit-depth or sample rate of a program, thus reducing the memory a = program takes up, and making it easier to load in other great sounding = programs. As an example, going from 48kHz to 44.1kHz or going from 44.1 kHz to = 32kHz isn't such a big deal, and samples at those rates can sound = equally as stunning at those resulting sample rates as they did = initially. I do know that these type of changes could take place at the = sample level (the option to do so is in the sample level menu), but if = your program uses 80 samples and 100 partials, changing them = individually could take forever. Does the S760 have batch processing? Just to make myself clear, I do know that some sample manufacturers = included lower memory versions of their programs, but these clearly do = not sound the same as they usually exclude a few samples and partials to = achieve the lower memory. It'd be cool to say, "okay, I have a 16MB sample here, let me convert = the sample rate and lower the bit depth just a bit" - With the result = being something like a 10MB program. Follow me? 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Hey All,
 
In these days when the samples and = programs on CDs=20 are all over 16MB (good ones anyway), I was wondering if there was = anyway of=20 changing the bit-depth or sample rate of a program, thus reducing the = memory a=20 program takes up, and making it easier to load in other great sounding=20 programs.
 
As an example, going from 48kHz to = 44.1kHz or going=20 from 44.1 kHz to 32kHz isn't such a big deal, and samples at those rates = can=20 sound equally as stunning at those resulting sample rates as they did = initially.=20 I do know that these type of changes could take place at the sample = level (the=20 option to do so is in the sample level menu), but if your program uses = 80=20 samples and 100 partials, changing them individually could take forever. = Does=20 the S760 have batch processing?
 
Just to make myself clear, I do know = that some=20 sample manufacturers included lower memory versions of their programs, = but these=20 clearly do not sound the same as they usually exclude a few samples and = partials=20 to achieve the lower memory.
 
It'd be cool to say, "okay, I have a = 16MB sample=20 here, let me convert the sample rate and lower the bit depth just a bit" = - With=20 the result being something like a 10MB program. Follow me?
 
Later,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 6 10:04:28 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193768-23663>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:04:22 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193766-23662>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:04:19 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D06000000000007B92BAB@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup S330 Utility Disk - solved (plus question) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:02:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thank you to the gent (sorry I don't recall who) that provided me with this command, which I was not familiar with: format a: /f:720 My computer at home is an older P90 and I ran DOS 6.22 and used the above command (instead of format a:) to format a DD disk for 720k. I then ran sdisk and had no problem writing my utility.out file to the disk. I had been under the misunderstanding the a DD disk had to be formatted in the S330 before using sdisk. I am now happily sampling with my S330. Could anyone respond to this: On my S760 I can assign an exclusive number to a partial within a patch so that when one note sounds, the other cuts off, most obvious application being a highhat open and closed. Is the same feature available on the S330? I couldn't find in the menus or manual. Thanks to all, it is a definite advantage to be on this mailgroup! Ralph >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Brodie [mailto:stevebrodie@moose.co.uk] >Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:54 PM >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: Re:sgroup S330 Utility Disk > > >It seems I'm in a very similar position! >I've been an S10 user for years but have just bought an S330 which >arrived earlier in the week. I've got new 2D/DD disks which the S330 >has formatted and I've tried Sdisk 1.1 booting from Dos and v1.3 >from windows 98 but the error messages are very similar to Ralph's >e.g 'sector invalid'...'no disc in drive' etc. I have also tried an >HD disk with tape, no luck either! >To be honest I didn't understand Peter's instructions on how to >format the disks on the PC,so I haven't been able to try that >yet...(an idiots guide would be appreciated Peter)? >I'm wondering if I'd have any more luck on my Mac, but as it doesn't >have a disk drive it would mean buying a usb floppy without knowing >if it would work, does anybody use a set up like this? > >Any help would be very much appreciated. > >Cheers, > >Steve Brodie > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 6 10:21:10 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193768-23663>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:21:00 -0400 Received: from nordpol.dbf.ddb.de ([193.175.100.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193767-23662>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:20:55 -0400 Received: from dbf-ex1.ad.dbf (dbf-ex1.dbf.ddb.de [10.69.63.203]) by nordpol.dbf.ddb.de (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id h56EK2s11709; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:20:02 +0200 Received: by DBF-EX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:20:45 +0200 Message-ID: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CF02C93C37@DBF-EX1> From: "Seidel, Thomas" To: "'Harold Everton, Jr.'" Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:20:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C32C36.CFD7FA40" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C36.CFD7FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did some sample conversions with sox ( http://www.spies.com/Sox/ ). I changed 16bit / 44.1khz WAV-Files to 12bit / 32kHz to feed my S-220 with great results. Looking behind the scene, sox does not reduce the sample rate by linear interpolating the sample words, but it applies a lowpass filter to the input and resamples the filter output. sox was written in the mid of the 90'es, how slow must be sox on a Pentium 75 in these days ?? :-) -- Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:43 PM To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com Subject: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series Hey All, In these days when the samples and programs on CDs are all over 16MB (good ones anyway), I was wondering if there was anyway of changing the bit-depth or sample rate of a program, thus reducing the memory a program takes up, and making it easier to load in other great sounding programs. As an example, going from 48kHz to 44.1kHz or going from 44.1 kHz to 32kHz isn't such a big deal, and samples at those rates can sound equally as stunning at those resulting sample rates as they did initially. I do know that these type of changes could take place at the sample level (the option to do so is in the sample level menu), but if your program uses 80 samples and 100 partials, changing them individually could take forever. Does the S760 have batch processing? Just to make myself clear, I do know that some sample manufacturers included lower memory versions of their programs, but these clearly do not sound the same as they usually exclude a few samples and partials to achieve the lower memory. It'd be cool to say, "okay, I have a 16MB sample here, let me convert the sample rate and lower the bit depth just a bit" - With the result being something like a 10MB program. Follow me? Later, Harold ------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C36.CFD7FA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I did some sample conversions with sox (http://www.spies.com/Sox/). I changed 16bit / 44.1khz WAV-Files to 12bit / 32kHz to feed my S-220 with great results. Looking behind the scene, sox does not reduce the sample rate by linear interpolating the sample words, but it applies a lowpass filter to the input and resamples the filter output.
 
sox was written in the mid of the 90'es, how slow must be sox on a Pentium 75 in these days ?? :-)
 
-- Thomas
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:43 PM
To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series

Hey All,
 
In these days when the samples and programs on CDs are all over 16MB (good ones anyway), I was wondering if there was anyway of changing the bit-depth or sample rate of a program, thus reducing the memory a program takes up, and making it easier to load in other great sounding programs.
 
As an example, going from 48kHz to 44.1kHz or going from 44.1 kHz to 32kHz isn't such a big deal, and samples at those rates can sound equally as stunning at those resulting sample rates as they did initially. I do know that these type of changes could take place at the sample level (the option to do so is in the sample level menu), but if your program uses 80 samples and 100 partials, changing them individually could take forever. Does the S760 have batch processing?
 
Just to make myself clear, I do know that some sample manufacturers included lower memory versions of their programs, but these clearly do not sound the same as they usually exclude a few samples and partials to achieve the lower memory.
 
It'd be cool to say, "okay, I have a 16MB sample here, let me convert the sample rate and lower the bit depth just a bit" - With the result being something like a 10MB program. Follow me?
 
Later,
Harold
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C32C36.CFD7FA40-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 6 10:59:02 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193767-23663>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:58:57 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193765-23663>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:58:51 -0400 Received: from epu1 (227.new-york-22rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.202.227]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2003060614584311200o276ne>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:58:43 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c32c3a$c22473c0$e3ca580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <0DD42F8743AED41197470020480E35CF02C93C37@DBF-EX1> Subject: Re: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:48:55 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C32C19.3A404180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C32C19.3A404180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, That's cool, but you're talking about individual samples. With that = method, I'd have to convert the samples, load them one at a time, trim = the start and end point, and rebuild the program. I'm talking about = converting the whole program itself, so I could turn a 44.1kHz Piano = into a 32kHz one. Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Seidel, Thomas=20 To: 'Harold Everton, Jr.'=20 Cc: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: RE: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series I did some sample conversions with sox (http://www.spies.com/Sox/). I = changed 16bit / 44.1khz WAV-Files to 12bit / 32kHz to feed my S-220 with = great results. Looking behind the scene, sox does not reduce the sample = rate by linear interpolating the sample words, but it applies a lowpass = filter to the input and resamples the filter output. =20 sox was written in the mid of the 90'es, how slow must be sox on a = Pentium 75 in these days ?? :-) =20 -- Thomas =20 -----Original Message----- From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:43 PM To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com Subject: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series Hey All, In these days when the samples and programs on CDs are all over 16MB = (good ones anyway), I was wondering if there was anyway of changing the = bit-depth or sample rate of a program, thus reducing the memory a = program takes up, and making it easier to load in other great sounding = programs. As an example, going from 48kHz to 44.1kHz or going from 44.1 kHz to = 32kHz isn't such a big deal, and samples at those rates can sound = equally as stunning at those resulting sample rates as they did = initially. I do know that these type of changes could take place at the = sample level (the option to do so is in the sample level menu), but if = your program uses 80 samples and 100 partials, changing them = individually could take forever. Does the S760 have batch processing? Just to make myself clear, I do know that some sample manufacturers = included lower memory versions of their programs, but these clearly do = not sound the same as they usually exclude a few samples and partials to = achieve the lower memory. It'd be cool to say, "okay, I have a 16MB sample here, let me = convert the sample rate and lower the bit depth just a bit" - With the = result being something like a 10MB program. Follow me? Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C32C19.3A404180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey,
 
That's cool, but you're talking about = individual=20 samples. With that method, I'd have to convert the samples, load them = one at a=20 time, trim the start and end point, and rebuild the program. I'm talking = about=20 converting the whole program itself, so I could turn a 44.1kHz Piano = into a=20 32kHz one.
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Seidel,=20 Thomas
To: 'Harold Everton, Jr.' =
Cc: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 = 10:20=20 AM
Subject: RE: sgroup Conserving = Memory On=20 The S700 Series

I=20 did some sample conversions with sox (http://www.spies.com/Sox/).=20 I changed 16bit / 44.1khz WAV-Files to 12bit / 32kHz to feed my = S-220=20 with great results. Looking behind the scene, sox does not reduce the = sample=20 rate by linear interpolating the sample words, but it applies a = lowpass filter=20 to the input and resamples the filter = output.
 
sox=20 was written in the mid of the 90'es, how slow must be sox on a = Pentium 75=20 in these days ?? :-)
 
--=20 Thomas
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Harold Everton, = Jr.=20 [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, = June 06,=20 2003 3:43 PM
To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca;=20 RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: sgroup Conserving = Memory=20 On The S700 Series

Hey All,
 
In these days when the samples and = programs on=20 CDs are all over 16MB (good ones anyway), I was wondering if there = was=20 anyway of changing the bit-depth or sample rate of a program, thus = reducing=20 the memory a program takes up, and making it easier to load in other = great=20 sounding programs.
 
As an example, going from 48kHz to = 44.1kHz or=20 going from 44.1 kHz to 32kHz isn't such a big deal, and samples at = those=20 rates can sound equally as stunning at those resulting sample rates = as they=20 did initially. I do know that these type of changes could take place = at the=20 sample level (the option to do so is in the sample level menu), but = if your=20 program uses 80 samples and 100 partials, changing them individually = could=20 take forever. Does the S760 have batch processing?
 
Just to make myself clear, I do = know that some=20 sample manufacturers included lower memory versions of their = programs, but=20 these clearly do not sound the same as they usually exclude a few = samples=20 and partials to achieve the lower memory.
 
It'd be cool to say, "okay, I have = a 16MB=20 sample here, let me convert the sample rate and lower the bit depth = just a=20 bit" - With the result being something like a 10MB program. Follow=20 me?
 
Later,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C32C19.3A404180-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 6 12:54:48 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193765-23662>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:54:41 -0400 Received: from hnexfe07.hetnet.nl ([195.121.6.173]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193736-23662>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:54:31 -0400 Received: from ptr ([195.121.151.124]) by hnexfe07.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:54:18 +0200 Message-ID: <004a01c32c4c$c9021780$7c9779c3@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <000a01c32c31$8bbf5e20$0fa2580c@epu1> Subject: Re: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:48:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 16:54:22.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[47A5A300:01C32C4C] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, FWIW some general remarks on this, not based on too much actual experience (don't have a S760 for instance). - Obviously a say 44k1Hz-sample will sound better than one which got converted from say 48kHz to 44k1Hz. Sample rate converters come in all sorts and sizes. Some are fast, others are good and some are both. Still the general idea is to avoid them when not needed, but I must admit that today it'd be unlikely to find a real bad one. But some others even say it'd be better to go D-to-A and back again with the new sample rate. - I'm not familiar with todays prices of the S-760, but why not add a few more ? Would save a lot of time and wouldn't require managing different quality versions of the same sample-programs. Just my 2 cts... Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Everton, Jr. To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca ; RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series Hey All, In these days when the samples and programs on CDs are all over 16MB (good ones anyway), I was wondering if there was anyway of changing the bit-depth or sample rate of a program, thus reducing the memory a program takes up, and making it easier to load in other great sounding programs. As an example, going from 48kHz to 44.1kHz or going from 44.1 kHz to 32kHz isn't such a big deal, and samples at those rates can sound equally as stunning at those resulting sample rates as they did initially. I do know that these type of changes could take place at the sample level (the option to do so is in the sample level menu), but if your program uses 80 samples and 100 partials, changing them individually could take forever. Does the S760 have batch processing? Just to make myself clear, I do know that some sample manufacturers included lower memory versions of their programs, but these clearly do not sound the same as they usually exclude a few samples and partials to achieve the lower memory. It'd be cool to say, "okay, I have a 16MB sample here, let me convert the sample rate and lower the bit depth just a bit" - With the result being something like a 10MB program. Follow me? Later, Harold - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 6 16:31:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-23663>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:31:43 -0400 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-23663>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:31:40 -0400 Received: from epu1 (183.new-york-19rh16rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.197.183]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20030606203134113001cthke>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:31:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c32c69$41cc4480$b7c5580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , References: Subject: Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:21:46 -0400 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C32C47.B9E81240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C32C47.B9E81240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, Well, once again I've gone against the view of the majority of the users = on these lists and rather than delete unused partials (which in my = opinion is like playing part of an instrument/sound, and I make big = compositions which utilize most of the available range of the patches I = use), as a test I loaded in one of the drum kits from the Interactive = Drum Kits and Snares and converted every sample from 44.1kHz to 32kHz = and went from using 28MB to almost 18MB. The method David Green = suggested would definitely work, but if you're using a drum kit, and are = using every sound in it, you don't have the option of deleting partials, = if the sound you use utilizes all of them. This was very time consuming, but the results were pretty good. I must = admit that my ears noticed the difference in the loss of the highs. I = was satisfied though and I did accomplish my goal. The drum kits was = just as playable, useable, and still sounded better than what I'd find = on the JV series of synths by Roland. As another test, I'm going to = reload the original kit in, and decrease the bit depth of the samples to = around 15 or 14. I'd rather do this than own a couple of S760s so I can concentrate on = having one set of outs, display, and controls to worry about. Since I = can't yet afford that XV5080, this method seems much better than dealing = with a mess of drives, cables, menus, displays, etc. Thanks to everyone = who contributed to this thread. Later, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mrdrgreen To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: [RolandSamplers] Re: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 = Series > Hi, >=20 > I agree. >=20 > Rate conversion (always lossy) or reducing the multi-sample structure=20 > are not the best ways to try to conserve memory requirements. The=20 > resulting quality is worse than the gains in space. >=20 > The SP-700 has a "Partial Freeing" function that deletes partials=20 > from memory that are not used in a composition. I believe the S-760=20 > has the same feature. So for example if you load in a piano sample=20 > and only ever play 27 of the 88 keys, all of the unused partials are=20 > freed from memory, returning space for other instruments to be=20 > loaded. This can result in tremendous memory returns. In this=20 > example, a 16MB 88 multi-sample would be reduced to a 4.9MB size,=20 > freeing up 11MB from the 16MB loaded. >=20 > Also, be sure to max your sampler RAM. The S-760 supports 32MB. >=20 > Beyond that, adding another sampler(s) or upgrading to newer=20 > technology are your only choices. >=20 > Used Roland S-760s or SP-700s (SP-700 is basically the sample- > playback version of the S-760) can be purchased from eBay for=20 > reasonably cheap. And each additional sampler doubles your voices=20 > and parts and sample space abilities. You can also share your SCSI=20 > drives across multiple sampler units. > IMHO if you already have an S-760, I wouldn't add an S-750 or S-770,=20 > but would go with another S-760 or SP-700 model. > Also, an XV-5080 basically gives you the equivalent of four S-760s=20 > plus plenty of other new features (including 5 studio quality effects=20 > processors). >=20 > David >=20 >=20 > --- In RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com, "Shirtlifter"=20 > wrote: > > Hi, > >=20 > > FWIW some general remarks on this, not based on too much actual=20 > experience > > (don't have > > a S760 for instance). > >=20 > > - Obviously a say 44k1Hz-sample will sound better than one which got > > converted from say > > 48kHz to 44k1Hz. Sample rate converters come in all sorts and=20 > sizes. Some > > are fast, > > others are good and some are both. Still the general idea is to=20 > avoid them > > when not > > needed, but I must admit that today it'd be unlikely to find a real=20 > bad one. > > But some others even say it'd be better to go D-to-A and back again=20 > with the > > new sample rate. > >=20 > > - I'm not familiar with todays prices of the S-760, but why not add=20 > a few > > more ? > > Would save a lot of time and wouldn't require managing different=20 > quality > > versions > > of the same sample-programs. > >=20 > > Just my 2 cts... > >=20 > > Bye, > >=20 > > Peter > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 > > To: sgroup@l... ; RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:42 PM > > Subject: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series > >=20 > >=20 > > Hey All, > >=20 > > In these days when the samples and programs on CDs are all over=20 > 16MB (good ones anyway), I was wondering if there was anyway of=20 > changing the bit-depth or sample rate of a program, thus reducing the=20 > memory a program takes up, and making it easier to load in other=20 > great sounding programs. > >=20 > > As an example, going from 48kHz to 44.1kHz or going from 44.1 kHz=20 > to 32kHz isn't such a big deal, and samples at those rates can sound=20 > equally as stunning at those resulting sample rates as they did=20 > initially. I do know that these type of changes could take place at=20 > the sample level (the option to do so is in the sample level menu),=20 > but if your program uses 80 samples and 100 partials, changing them=20 > individually could take forever. Does the S760 have batch processing? > >=20 > > Just to make myself clear, I do know that some sample=20 > manufacturers included lower memory versions of their programs, but=20 > these clearly do not sound the same as they usually exclude a few=20 > samples and partials to achieve the lower memory. > >=20 > > It'd be cool to say, "okay, I have a 16MB sample here, let me=20 > convert the sample rate and lower the bit depth just a bit" - With=20 > the result being something like a 10MB program. Follow me? > >=20 > > Later, > > Harold >=20 >=20 > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor = ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! 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Hey All,
 
Well, once again I've gone against the = view of the=20 majority of the users on these lists and rather than delete unused = partials=20 (which in my opinion is like playing part of an instrument/sound, and I = make big=20 compositions which utilize most of the available range of the patches I = use), as=20 a test I loaded in one of the drum kits from the Interactive Drum Kits = and=20 Snares and converted every sample from 44.1kHz to 32kHz and went from = using 28MB=20 to almost 18MB. The method David Green suggested would definitely work, = but if=20 you're using a drum kit, and are using every sound in it, you don't have = the=20 option of deleting partials, if the sound you use utilizes all of=20 them.
 
This was very time consuming, but the = results were=20 pretty good. I must admit that my ears noticed the difference in the = loss of the=20 highs. I was satisfied though and I did accomplish my goal. The drum = kits was=20 just as playable, useable, and still sounded better than what I'd find = on the JV=20 series of synths by Roland. As another test, I'm going to reload the = original=20 kit in, and decrease the bit depth of the samples to around 15 or=20 14.
 
I'd rather do this than own a couple of = S760s so I=20 can concentrate on having one set of outs, display, and controls to = worry about.=20 Since I can't yet afford that XV5080, this method seems much better than = dealing=20 with a mess of drives, cables, menus, displays, etc. Thanks to everyone = who=20 contributed to this thread.
 
Later,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mrdrgreen <dgreen@lilchips.com>
To: <RolandSamplers@yahoogroups= .com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:17 = PM
Subject: [RolandSamplers] Re: sgroup = Conserving=20 Memory On The S700 Series

> Hi,
>
> I=20 agree.
>
> Rate conversion (always lossy) or reducing the=20 multi-sample structure
> are not the best ways to try to conserve = memory=20 requirements.  The
> resulting quality is worse than the = gains in=20 space.
>
> The SP-700 has a "Partial Freeing" function that = deletes=20 partials
> from memory that are not used in a composition.  = I=20 believe the S-760
> has the same feature.  So for example if = you=20 load in a piano sample
> and only ever play 27 of the 88 keys, = all of the=20 unused partials are
> freed from memory, returning space for = other=20 instruments to be
> loaded.  This can result in tremendous = memory=20 returns.  In this
> example, a 16MB 88 multi-sample would be = reduced=20 to a 4.9MB size,
> freeing up 11MB from the 16MB loaded.
> =
>=20 Also, be sure to max your sampler RAM.  The S-760 supports = 32MB.
>=20
> Beyond that, adding another sampler(s) or upgrading to newer =
>=20 technology are your only choices.
>
> Used Roland S-760s or = SP-700s=20 (SP-700 is basically the sample-
> playback version of the S-760) = can be=20 purchased from eBay for
> reasonably cheap.  And each = additional=20 sampler doubles your voices
> and parts and sample space = abilities. =20 You can also share your SCSI
> drives across multiple sampler=20 units.
> IMHO if you already have an S-760, I wouldn't add an = S-750 or=20 S-770,
> but would go with another S-760 or SP-700 model.
> = Also,=20 an XV-5080 basically gives you the equivalent of four S-760s
> = plus=20 plenty of other new features (including 5 studio quality effects =
>=20 processors).
>
> David
>
>
> --- In RolandSamplers@yahoogroups= .com,=20 "Shirtlifter"
> <shirtlifter@h...> wrote:
> = >=20 Hi,
> >
> > FWIW some general remarks on this, not = based on=20 too much actual
> experience
> > (don't have
> = > a S760=20 for instance).
> >
> > - Obviously a say = 44k1Hz-sample will=20 sound better than one which got
> > converted from say
> = >=20 48kHz to 44k1Hz. Sample rate converters come in all sorts and
> = sizes.=20 Some
> > are fast,
> > others are good and some are = both.=20 Still the general idea is to
> avoid them
> > when = not
>=20 > needed, but I must admit that today it'd be unlikely to find a real =
> bad one.
> > But some others even say it'd be better = to go=20 D-to-A and back again
> with the
> > new sample = rate.
>=20 >
> > - I'm not familiar with todays prices of the S-760, = but why=20 not add
> a few
> > more ?
> > Would save a lot = of time=20 and wouldn't require managing different
> quality
> >=20 versions
> > of the same sample-programs.
> >
> = >=20 Just my 2 cts...
> >
> > Bye,
> >
>=20 >   Peter
> >   ----- Original Message = -----=20
> >   From: Harold Everton, Jr.
> = >  =20 To: sgroup@l... ; RolandSamplers@yahoogroups= .com=20
> >   Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:42 PM
>=20 >   Subject: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 = Series
>=20 >
> >
> >   Hey All,
> > =
>=20 >   In these days when the samples and programs on CDs are = all over=20
> 16MB (good ones anyway), I was wondering if there was anyway of =
> changing the bit-depth or sample rate of a program, thus = reducing the=20
> memory a program takes up, and making it easier to load in = other=20
> great sounding programs.
> >
> >   = As an=20 example, going from 48kHz to 44.1kHz or going from 44.1 kHz
> to = 32kHz=20 isn't such a big deal, and samples at those rates can sound
> = equally as=20 stunning at those resulting sample rates as they did
> initially. = I do=20 know that these type of changes could take place at
> the sample = level=20 (the option to do so is in the sample level menu),
> but if your = program=20 uses 80 samples and 100 partials, changing them
> individually = could take=20 forever. Does the S760 have batch processing?
> >
>=20 >   Just to make myself clear, I do know that some sample =
>=20 manufacturers included lower memory versions of their programs, but =
>=20 these clearly do not sound the same as they usually exclude a few =
>=20 samples and partials to achieve the lower memory.
> >
>=20 >   It'd be cool to say, "okay, I have a 16MB sample here, = let me=20
> convert the sample rate and lower the bit depth just a bit" - = With=20
> the result being something like a 10MB program. Follow = me?
> >=20
> >   Later,
> >   Harold
> =
>
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ---------------------~-->
> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your = Online=20 Answer To Life's Important Questions.
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From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 6 16:46:43 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193770-23663>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:46:36 -0400 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193725-23663>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:46:29 -0400 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:44:27 -0400 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D06000000000007B92BC7@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: [RolandSamplers] Re: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Ser ies Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:46:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I'd rather do this than own a couple of S760s so I can concentrate on having one set of outs, display, and controls to worry >about. Since I can't yet afford that XV5080, this method seems much better than dealing with a mess of drives, cables, >menus, displays, etc. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. Speaking for myself, I've recently bought my second S760, and once it was set up, no problems! and no regrets, the power is awesome. I also connect a secondary mixer to the sampling inputs for one 760 and use that as a sub-mixer for some other gear I have, which I can sample at the ready. A philosophy of mine, and I'll mention I operate on an extremely low budget: A studio should be an organism that can grow, change and adapt as the situation requires. I never think that I can set things up in an ultimate configuration, instead I envision what I need for the music and build my patches from there. Each tune ends up with it's own particular set-up. I accept there will be some messing around with cables, but it's part of the process and has its rewards. thanks Ralph (a good weekend to all) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 8 08:17:29 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193743-25902>; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:17:21 -0400 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193742-25902>; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:17:11 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust91.tnt1.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.24.91]) by bird2.de.uu.net (8.9.3p2/5.5.5) with ESMTP id OAA07822 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:17:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3EE206C7.1030702@cityweb.de> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 11:37:43 -0400 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; de-DE; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series References: <000d01c32c69$41cc4480$b7c5580c@epu1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > This was very time consuming, but the results were pretty good. I must > admit that my ears noticed the difference in the loss of the highs. For a drum set, I'd use different conversion ratios, perhaps leave the cymbals as they are, while for bass drum and toms go even lower than 30 kHz. > As another test, I'm going to > reload the original kit in, and decrease the bit depth of the samples to > around 15 or 14. As I understand it, decreasing the bit depth doesn't save memory. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 8 12:11:28 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193742-25902>; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:11:27 -0400 Received: from mx65.moose.co.uk (mx65.backup.moose.co.uk [217.169.23.165]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193727-25902>; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:11:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (195-102-149-160.adsl.moose.co.uk [195.102.149.160]) by mx65.moose.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h58GBIPx017039 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:11:19 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:12:27 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Steve Brodie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Hi Steve, > >> I'm wondering if I'd have any more luck on my Mac, but as it doesn't >> have a disk drive it would mean buying a usb floppy without knowing >> if it would work, does anybody use a set up like this? > >When internal, the Mac driver was 'hardware' compatible with Roland disks, >when I wrote D-SoundPRO I had not problem to read/write floppy disks in >Roland S50/550/330 formats. But it was a low level programming, and I know >that it does not work with external USB drivers. > >I don't know if SAM or SMAC work using USB drivers. Is there anyone knowing >this? > >Thanks > >Stefano Daino sdaino@d-soundpro.com Hi Stefano, Thanks for your mail and the info, I have been offered a media bay 'superdive' which will slot into my pismo powerbook where the CD drive goes when I need to use it. From your experience do you think this might work or perhaps someone else on the list has tried it ? Thanks again, Steve Brodie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 8 12:21:47 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193742-25902>; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:21:38 -0400 Received: from mx65.moose.co.uk (mx65.backup.moose.co.uk [217.169.23.165]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193727-25902>; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:21:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (195-102-149-160.adsl.moose.co.uk [195.102.149.160]) by mx65.moose.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h58GLDPx017079 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:21:14 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: stevebrodie@moose.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 12:22:23 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Steve Brodie Subject: sgroup S10 Samples on an S330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anybody know if it is possible to use or convert S10 samples for use on an S330 ? Failing that is there any way to extract the sample data from the S10, hopefully with the loop info, so they could be used on another sampler ? Any thoughts on this anyone? Thanks, Steve Brodie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 9 05:03:32 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193743-16999>; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:03:25 -0400 Received: from mail.mclink.it (mail4.mclink.it [195.110.128.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193742-16998>; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:03:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.112] (net141-036.mclink.it [195.110.141.36]) by mail.mclink.it (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h59934j24061 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:03:04 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:03:01 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk From: Stefano Daino To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Steve, my feeling is that it should work, but I never tested it in that configuration. My friend has a powerbook with a slot-in floppy driver, I'll do a test, but I need of some days to contact him. I'll keep you informed, Thanks Stefano Daino sdaino@d-soundpro.com sdaino@dsp-quattro.com > Da: Steve Brodie > Data: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:01:52 +0100 > A: Stefano Daino > Oggetto: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk > > >> Hi Steve, >> >>> I'm wondering if I'd have any more luck on my Mac, but as it doesn't >>> have a disk drive it would mean buying a usb floppy without knowing >>> if it would work, does anybody use a set up like this? >> >> When internal, the Mac driver was 'hardware' compatible with Roland disks, >> when I wrote D-SoundPRO I had not problem to read/write floppy disks in >> Roland S50/550/330 formats. But it was a low level programming, and I know >> that it does not work with external USB drivers. >> >> I don't know if SAM or SMAC work using USB drivers. Is there anyone knowing >> this? >> >> Thanks >> >> Stefano Daino > sdaino@d-soundpro.com > > Hi Stefano, > > Thanks for your mail and the info, I have been offered a media bay > 'superdive' which will slot into my pismo powerbook where the CD > drive goes when I need to use it. From your experience do you think > this might work or perhaps someone else on the list has tried it ? > > Thanks again, > > Steve Brodie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 9 14:54:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193747-16999>; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:54:41 -0400 Received: from s-utl01-dapop.smtp.stsn.com (p4.n-dapop03.stsn.com [63.241.218.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193746-16999>; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:54:40 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([10.1.7.77]) by s-utl01-dapop.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:58:02 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h59BhnJ47042 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:43:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mta01bw.bigpond.com ([139.134.6.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-23662>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:35:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.7] ([144.135.24.78]) by mta01bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta01bw Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id HG3B6O00.CVY for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:35:12 +1000 Received: from cpe-203-51-75-210.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([203.51.75.210]) by bwmam04bpa.bigpond.com(MAM $Name: REL_3_3_2b $ 35/2930359); 07 Jun 2003 12:36:58 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:35:02 -0400 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: sgroup Conserving Memory On The S700 Series Message-ID: <141573732.1054989302@[192.168.0.7]> In-Reply-To: <000d01c32c69$41cc4480$b7c5580c@epu1> References: <000d01c32c69$41cc4480$b7c5580c@epu1> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2003 18:58:02.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D9AEBB0:01C32EB9] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > As another test, I'm going to reload the original kit in, and decrease > the bit depth of the samples to around 15 or 14. I would be extremely surprised if that saved you any space. Equipment such as computers and samplers have limitations on the smallest addressable unit - most commonly the 8 bit byte. By reducing the bit depth, you are effectively zeroing out some bits, but they still have to be stored in those bytes. Effectively you will be wasting space rather than saving it. Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 12 08:46:44 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193762-5721>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:46:34 -0400 Received: from mail.mclink.it (mail5.mclink.it [195.110.128.102]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193736-5722>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:46:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.112] (net141-036.mclink.it [195.110.141.36]) by mail.mclink.it (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h5CCkJ000987 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:46:19 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:46:14 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk From: Stefano Daino To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi again, well, yes, D-SoundPRO 3.5.1 is able to read Roland floppies from a slot-in driver of the powerbook. It works only under MacOS 9. Curious thing, under MacOS X the driver is totally dead, i.e. you cannot use it with any kind of floppies... Hoping this will help, thanks Stefano Daino sdaino@d-soundpro.com sdaino@dsp-quattro.com > Da: Stefano Daino > Data: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:03:01 -0400 > A: > Oggetto: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk > > > Hi Steve, > > my feeling is that it should work, but I never tested it in that > configuration. My friend has a powerbook with a slot-in floppy driver, I'll > do a test, but I need of some days to contact him. > > I'll keep you informed, > > Thanks > > Stefano Daino > sdaino@d-soundpro.com > sdaino@dsp-quattro.com > >> Da: Steve Brodie >> Data: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:01:52 +0100 >> A: Stefano Daino >> Oggetto: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk >> >> >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>>> I'm wondering if I'd have any more luck on my Mac, but as it doesn't >>>> have a disk drive it would mean buying a usb floppy without knowing >>>> if it would work, does anybody use a set up like this? >>> >>> When internal, the Mac driver was 'hardware' compatible with Roland disks, >>> when I wrote D-SoundPRO I had not problem to read/write floppy disks in >>> Roland S50/550/330 formats. But it was a low level programming, and I know >>> that it does not work with external USB drivers. >>> >>> I don't know if SAM or SMAC work using USB drivers. Is there anyone knowing >>> this? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Stefano Daino >> sdaino@d-soundpro.com >> >> Hi Stefano, >> >> Thanks for your mail and the info, I have been offered a media bay >> 'superdive' which will slot into my pismo powerbook where the CD >> drive goes when I need to use it. From your experience do you think >> this might work or perhaps someone else on the list has tried it ? >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Steve Brodie > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 12 17:00:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193763-5721>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:00:32 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (66-254-10-53.satnap.net [66.254.10.53]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193762-5721>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:00:22 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h5CL0E308724 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:00:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from correio.nansen.com.br ([200.251.180.133]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193736-5721>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:41:04 -0400 Subject: sgroup S-770 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.1CF1 March 04, 2003 Message-ID: From: alberto@nansen.com.br Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:35:16 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MGLN01MAIL/NANSEN(Release 6.0.1CF1|March 04, 2003) at 12/06/2003 09:41:06 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello Fellows, Plz, I=B4ve been looking for the pinout or schematic to construct an expansion memory board for my S-770. Can you help me ? I=B4m not list member. If you can help, please, send = mails to s770@ig.com.br. C Ya.= - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 12 18:00:03 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193763-5722>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:59:54 -0400 Received: from mail4.uunet.ca ([209.167.141.34]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193762-5722>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:59:47 -0400 Received: from mx65.moose.co.uk (mx65.backup.moose.co.uk [217.169.23.165]) by mail4.uunet.ca with SMTP id <658160-5105>; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:59:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 9496 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2003 21:13:30 -0000 Received: from 195-102-149-216.adsl.moose.co.uk (HELO ?192.168.1.12?) (195.102.149.216) by mx68.moose.co.uk with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 21:13:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: stevebrodie@moose.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:14:45 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Steve Brodie Subject: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Thanks for that Stefano it is very helpful indeed. Very odd that you can't read any kind of floppy in OSX though. Thanks again, Steve Brodie >Hi again, > >well, yes, D-SoundPRO 3.5.1 is able to read Roland floppies from a slot-in >driver of the powerbook. It works only under MacOS 9. Curious thing, under >MacOS X the driver is totally dead, i.e. you cannot use it with any kind of >floppies... > >Hoping this will help, > >thanks > >Stefano Daino >sdaino@d-soundpro.com >sdaino@dsp-quattro.com > >> Da: Stefano Daino >> Data: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:03:01 -0400 >> A: >> Oggetto: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk >> >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> my feeling is that it should work, but I never tested it in that >> configuration. My friend has a powerbook with a slot-in floppy driver, I'll >> do a test, but I need of some days to contact him. >> >> I'll keep you informed, >> >> Thanks >> >> Stefano Daino >> sdaino@d-soundpro.com >> sdaino@dsp-quattro.com >> >>> Da: Steve Brodie >>> Data: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 17:01:52 +0100 >>> A: Stefano Daino >>> Oggetto: Re: sgroup S330 Utility Disk >>> >>> >>>> Hi Steve, >>>> >>>>> I'm wondering if I'd have any more luck on my Mac, but as it doesn't >>>>> have a disk drive it would mean buying a usb floppy without knowing >>>>> if it would work, does anybody use a set up like this? >>>> >>>> When internal, the Mac driver was 'hardware' compatible with Roland disks, >>>> when I wrote D-SoundPRO I had not problem to read/write floppy disks in >>>> Roland S50/550/330 formats. But it was a low level programming, and I know >>>> that it does not work with external USB drivers. >>>> >>>> I don't know if SAM or SMAC work using USB drivers. Is there >>>>anyone knowing >>>> this? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Stefano Daino >>> sdaino@d-soundpro.com >>> >>> Hi Stefano, >>> >>> Thanks for your mail and the info, I have been offered a media bay >>> 'superdive' which will slot into my pismo powerbook where the CD >>> drive goes when I need to use it. From your experience do you think >>> this might work or perhaps someone else on the list has tried it ? >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> >>> Steve Brodie >> >> >> - >> Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >> For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >> and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >> > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 13 16:07:56 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193765-28763>; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:07:43 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (66-254-10-53.satnap.net [66.254.10.53]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193763-28763>; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:07:33 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h5DK7KP70481 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:07:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp-33.ig.com.br ([200.226.132.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193741-28764>; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:36:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 25325 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2003 14:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (200.226.133.176) by smtp-33.ig.com.br with SMTP; 13 Jun 2003 14:36:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:36:05 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: s770@ig.com.br X-Originating-IP: [200.226.133.176]200.251.180.160 X-Mailer: InMail by Insite - www.insite.com.br X-user: s770@ig.com.br MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Subject: sgroup S-770 Message-Id: <2003Jun13.103614edt.193741-28764@hugin.uunet.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello, Please I´d like to know if somebody has the pinout for expansion board memory. I´d to construct it myself, but I need the pinout. I´ll make a web site, where I´ll put all the modifications I already did in my machine, as example, I have to install a standart 512Mb SCSI HD. I´ll take some pictures if it and publish in the www.s770.hpg.com.br Thanx in advance _________________________________________________________ Voce quer um iGMail protegido contra vírus e spams? Clique aqui: http://www.igmailseguro.ig.com.br Ofertas imperdíveis! Link: http://www.americanas.com.br/ig/ Ofertas imperdíveis! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Jun 15 13:49:45 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193754-6472>; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:49:37 -0400 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193753-6472>; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:49:27 -0400 Received: from Emailit2@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 6.3a.3a742580 (18251) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Emailit2@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.3a742580.2c1e0ba1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:49:21 -0400 Subject: sgroup SCSI/S-550, internal zip drive To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone have for sale, or know where I might find the SCSI option for the S-550? Also has anyone attempted to install an internal zip drive (ATAPI, SCSI, other?) , or other like device into the S-550? Any info, or thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks Dave - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 16 16:39:57 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193735-12477>; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:39:48 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193734-12477>; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:39:42 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h5GKdZs59121 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:39:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193753-6472>; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:03:39 -0400 Received: from msn (albq-dsl-gw06poola198.albq.uswest.net[65.102.100.198]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20030615180337113001vtn7e> (Authid: prb@worldnet.att.net); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 18:03:37 +0000 Message-ID: <007501c33369$26eaa380$0201a8c0@com> From: "Patrick Berry" To: Subject: sgroup S550 manual Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:08:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi all, I "lurk" here a lot, and enjoy the conversation. Does anyone know where I can get an S550 instruction manual, as well as the "remote control"? Has anyone ever written an easy to understand instruction manual?? Thanks Patrick - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 16 18:07:44 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193735-12477>; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:07:40 -0400 Received: from hnexfe10.hetnet.nl ([195.121.6.176]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193734-12477>; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:07:30 -0400 Received: from ptr ([195.121.149.16]) by hnexfe10.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:07:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c33454$37702720$109579c3@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <007501c33369$26eaa380$0201a8c0@com> Subject: Re: sgroup S550 manual Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:10:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2003 22:07:21.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8DCFA10:01C33453] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Sorry, can't really help you here. Contact Roland I'd say - via a local music store I got a (copied) manual for another piece of gear. There's this though, that mentions the S-550 manual in quite an uhh, unusual way... http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/apr99/articles/soundingoff.htm Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Berry To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: sgroup S550 manual > Hi all, > I "lurk" here a lot, and enjoy the conversation. Does anyone know where I > can get an S550 instruction manual, as well as the "remote control"? > > Has anyone ever written an easy to understand instruction manual?? > > Thanks > Patrick > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 18 15:39:05 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193758-20281>; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:38:59 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193752-20281>; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:38:53 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h5IJcnP73232 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:38:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com ([64.233.207.23]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193726-2739>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:18:41 -0400 Received: from javiergkcq7u51 (d14-69-18-63.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.63.18]) by pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h5HGIaA32388 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:18:36 -0500 From: "Javier Barrios" To: Subject: sgroup Bad sample disks Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:16:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C334CA.4A9D3240" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C334CA.4A9D3240 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C334CA.4A9D3240" ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C334CA.4A9D3240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everyone, I need to find out if anyone out there has 502_1.out, 503_7.out, and 503_8.out to update the library. I bought an s-50 off of Ebay for $125.00!!!!!! I want to get the whole s-50 library including these disks. If anyone knows where I can get these disks, now is the time to update the library online…. I also have an s-330 that needs a floppy disk. Does that place that offers the floppy drive have good drives??? I have needed one for quite some time and It would be great to get one; but I need to find out if the drives work. Please let me know!!!! Peace Javier M. Barrios 29006 Mancheter Westland, MI 48185 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C334CA.4A9D3240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I want to get the whole s-50 library including these disks.  If anyone knows where I can = get these disks, now is the time to update the library = online….

 

I also have an s-330 that needs a floppy disk.  Does that place that offers the floppy drive have = good drives???  I have needed = one for quite some time and It would be great to get one; but I need to find out = if the drives work.

 

Please let me know!!!!

 

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From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 19 08:54:13 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193757-29792>; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:54:04 -0400 Received: from web40607.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.144]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193742-29792>; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:54:00 -0400 Message-ID: <20030619125359.70496.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.11.19.5] by web40607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:53:59 CEST Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:53:59 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Karl=20Ekdahl?= <_nial_@yahoo.com> Subject: sgroup Broken Roland S-50 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello, i've got a Roland S-50 that has a broken display and possibly broken floppy. Does anyone have a schematic over the S-50 or any ideas what's causing these problems? I'd also like to know if there's any downloadable version of a user manual / service manual somewhere on the net (or maybe if someone could send it to me).. Thanks... /Karl _____________________________________________________ Gå före i kön och få din sajt värderad på nolltid med Yahoo! Express Se mer på: http://se.docs.yahoo.com/info/express/help/index.html - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 19 17:34:13 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193759-29792>; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:34:06 -0400 Received: from fedex.is.co.za ([196.4.160.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193758-29792>; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:33:55 -0400 Received: from [196.33.246.43] (c9-rba-43.dial-up.net [196.33.246.43]) by fedex.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB90B81D9 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:33:37 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007501c33369$26eaa380$0201a8c0@com> References: <007501c33369$26eaa380$0201a8c0@com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:33:08 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup S550 manual Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Does anyone know where I >can get an S550 instruction manual They sell manuals here: http://www.markglinsky.com/ManualManor.html Have you tried a web search for a pdf version? 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From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 19 17:41:32 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193759-29792>; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:41:22 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (law8-f54.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.54]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193758-29792>; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:41:19 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:41:17 -0700 Received: from 217.215.29.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:41:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.215.29.35] X-Originating-Email: [dlehtihet@hotmail.com] From: "Daniel Lehtihet" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup SCSI dump utility Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:41:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2003 21:41:17.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[83C57810:01C336AB] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm no longer a permanent Roland gear user since i have for some time now been using a Yamaha A3000 sampler (sold the ol' S750). But i'm writing to you all because i have just finished coding a small windows GUI program that lets you send and receive samples using Scsi/midi transfers. The application also relies on SOX so you can transfer a lot of different formats (like aif, raw, voc, etc, etc). The other way around you can get single samples from the sampler or request the entire sample memory to be stored on your local harddrive. Since not all Roland samplers support this standard (it's only the 760, right??) i would like to ask if there are any owners of such samplers that are willing to try the program out to see how it works on a Roland. It would be very interesting for me to know if it does. If you are interested in trying it out, mail me at dlehtihet@hotmail.com and i'll send the code to you. Kind regards Daniel _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Jun 20 10:17:44 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193760-3237>; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:17:40 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193747-3237>; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:17:30 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h5KEHKh75564 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.softhome.net [66.54.152.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193747-3238>; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:33:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 19269 invoked by uid 417); 20 Jun 2003 10:33:38 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2003 10:33:38 -0000 Received: from crystalclear ([217.224.238.163]) by softhome.net with esmtp; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 04:33:36 -0600 Message-ID: <002c01c33717$6991e390$1444fea9@crystalclear> From: "bomb" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca References: <007501c33369$26eaa380$0201a8c0@com> Subject: sgroup rc100 on ebay.de Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:33:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk rc 100 on ebay.de - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Jun 23 21:42:00 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193740-8085>; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:41:55 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193739-8085>; Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:41:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 26827 invoked by uid 65534); 24 Jun 2003 01:41:34 -0000 Received: from 213-197-35-237.dialup.raketnet.nl (HELO projectmarketeer) (213.197.35.237) by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 24 Jun 2003 03:41:34 +0200 Message-ID: <004b01c339f2$abd5f2e0$ed23c5d5@projectmarketeer> From: "Sjaak de Vos" To: Subject: sgroup few tracks Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:48:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C33A03.6E05E9A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C33A03.6E05E9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Placed a few tracks on http://ppi.iuma.com Drums are from the Club 50 Foundations roland S format sample cd greetings, Sjaak ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C33A03.6E05E9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Placed a few tracks on http://ppi.iuma.com
 
Drums are from the Club 50 = Foundations roland S=20 format sample cd
 
greetings,
 
Sjaak
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From owner-sgroup Wed Jun 25 10:39:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193758-28230>; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:39:31 -0400 Received: from mail.mclink.it (mail4.mclink.it [195.110.128.78]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193757-28231>; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:39:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.112] (net141-036.mclink.it [195.110.141.36]) by mail.mclink.it (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h5PEdGY27121 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:39:16 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup SCSI dump utility From: Stefano Daino To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Daniel, only the S760 and DJ70 mkII support scsi dumps, but they use a custom protocol which is very different from the standard SMDI used by Yamaha and others. You need to ask to Roland for the technical document describing this protocol. They helped me a lot when I wrote D-SoundPRO. Hoping this will help you, Stefano Daino sdaino@d-soundpro.com sdaino@dsp-quattro.com > Da: "Daniel Lehtihet" > Data: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:41:17 -0400 > A: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Oggetto: sgroup SCSI dump utility > > > Hi all, > > I'm no longer a permanent Roland gear user since i have for some time now > been using a Yamaha A3000 sampler (sold the ol' S750). But i'm writing to > you all because i have just finished coding a small windows GUI program that > lets you send and receive samples using Scsi/midi transfers. The application > also relies on SOX so you can transfer a lot of different formats (like aif, > raw, voc, etc, etc). The other way around you can get single samples from > the sampler or request the entire sample memory to be stored on your local > harddrive. > > Since not all Roland samplers support this standard (it's only the 760, > right??) i would like to ask if there are any owners of such samplers that > are willing to try the program out to see how it works on a Roland. It would > be very interesting for me to know if it does. If you are interested in > trying it out, mail me at dlehtihet@hotmail.com and i'll send the code to > you. > > Kind regards > > Daniel > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Jun 26 11:47:07 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193756-26054>; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:46:58 -0400 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193755-26054>; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:46:52 -0400 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h5QFkgF45996 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:46:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com ([64.233.207.26]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193751-28231>; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:32:12 -0400 Received: from javiergkcq7u51 (d14-69-18-63.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.63.18]) by pop-8.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h5Q0W9620215 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:32:09 -0500 From: "Javier Barrios" To: Subject: sgroup NEED HELP!!! Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:29:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C33B58.880A19B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C33B58.880A19B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C33B58.880A19B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C33B58.880A19B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have been a Roland sampler user for over 10 yrs and I (for the life of me) can’t figure these two things out. I bought an S-50 on the internet and I am having a problem with it. I can play sounds from the library on it fine. The problem is that it has some kind of scratchy distortion when I play on the keys. I don’t have the problem when I start pounding on the keys. The other part is doing a sound conversion from version 1.0 to 2.0… I have tried everything from library converter to saving systems.. Help ME PLEEEAASSSEEEE!!!!!! Javier M. Barrios 29006 Mancheter Westland, MI 48185 ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C33B58.880A19B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have been a Roland sampler user for over 10 yrs and I (for the = life of me) can’t figure these two things out.  I bought an S-50 on the internet and I am having a problem with = it.  I can play sounds from the = library on it fine.

 

The problem is that it has some kind of scratchy distortion when = I play on the keys.  I = don’t have the problem when I start pounding on the = keys.

 

The other part is doing a sound conversion from version 1.0 to = 2.0…

 

I have tried everything from library converter to saving = systems..

 

Help ME PLEEEAASSSEEEE!!!!!!

 

Javier M. = Barrios

29006 Mancheter

Westland, MI 48185

 

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