From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 2 12:17:22 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17598>; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:17:15 -0500 Received: from ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com ([65.24.7.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17598>; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:17:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (grv230145.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.145]) by ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h22HH4vY013316 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:17:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:17:09 -0500 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <78618357751.20030302121709@columbus.rr.com> To: Roland S-Group Subject: sgroup Key follow on the S-750 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Okay, I'm going crazy. On my S-50, if I didn't want a sample to change pitch, I simply turned the key follow off. On the S-750, there seems to be several "key follow" parameters and they don't all do the same thing. What to I do, to keep a sample from playing in different pitches? Is this done at the sample, partial, or patch level? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 3 11:56:17 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14276>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:56:10 -0500 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14276>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:56:04 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (1Cust66.tnt3.laf1.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.28.66]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id RAA09270 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:55:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3E635382.9000907@cityweb.de> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:07:14 -0500 From: Ingo Debus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; de-DE; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Key follow on the S-750 References: <78618357751.20030302121709@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Gaffa wrote: > Okay, I'm going crazy. On my S-50, if I didn't want a sample to > change pitch, I simply turned the key follow off. On the S-750, > there seems to be several "key follow" parameters and they don't > all do the same thing. What to I do, to keep a sample from playing > in different pitches? Is this done at the sample, partial, or > patch level? I only know for the S-760, but on the 750 it's probably the same. On the Partial/SMT screen, set the K.F parameters from "Norm" to "Off". This must be done for each sample the partial uses. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 3 14:04:17 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14275>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:04:09 -0500 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natsmtp01.webmailer.de [192.67.198.81]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14275>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:03:58 -0500 Received: from mail.unix-net (pD9E7DEB5.dip.t-dialin.net [217.231.222.181]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06619 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:03:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from mwmstudios (music.unix-net [192.168.0.2]) by mail.unix-net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D61B377B9 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:55:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001901c2e1b7$a98b0400$0200a8c0@mwmstudios> From: "Martin" To: References: <78618357751.20030302121709@columbus.rr.com> <3E635382.9000907@cityweb.de> Subject: sgroup Roland Library has new URL Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:04:04 -0500 Organization: MWM-Studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2E1C0.0A7F98E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2E1C0.0A7F98E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, my Roland Sample Library website has a new URL. For all who don=B4t know = it: www.roland-library.de There you can find all I have and all I got from you. If anyone want=B4s to mail me new things, please do it. Bye; Martin ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2E1C0.0A7F98E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody,
 
my Roland Sample Library website has a = new URL. For=20 all who don=B4t know it:
 
www.roland-library.de
 
There you can find all I have and all I = got from=20 you.
If anyone want=B4s to mail me new = things, please do=20 it.
 
Bye; Martin
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2E1C0.0A7F98E0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 3 14:11:37 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14275>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:11:30 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14275>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:11:19 -0500 Received: from rickearn ([151.201.233.211]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030303191117.BKPD14460.pop015.verizon.net@rickearn>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:11:17 -0600 Message-ID: <007701c2e1d1$f4300f40$641dfea9@rickearn> From: "Richard Earnhardt" To: "Martin" , References: <78618357751.20030302121709@columbus.rr.com> <3E635382.9000907@cityweb.de> <001901c2e1b7$a98b0400$0200a8c0@mwmstudios> Subject: Re: sgroup Roland Library has new URL Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:12:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C2E18E.E29C60A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Richard Earnhardt" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [151.201.233.211] at Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:11:17 -0600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C2E18E.E29C60A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nice job, martin :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Martin=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: sgroup Roland Library has new URL Hi everybody, my Roland Sample Library website has a new URL. For all who don=B4t = know it: www.roland-library.de There you can find all I have and all I got from you. If anyone want=B4s to mail me new things, please do it. Bye; Martin ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C2E18E.E29C60A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
nice job, martin :)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Martin=20
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 = 11:04=20 AM
Subject: sgroup Roland Library = has new=20 URL

Hi everybody,
 
my Roland Sample Library website has = a new URL.=20 For all who don=B4t know it:
 
www.roland-library.de
 
There you can find all I have and all = I got from=20 you.
If anyone want=B4s to mail me new = things, please do=20 it.
 
Bye; = Martin
------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C2E18E.E29C60A0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 3 14:50:07 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14275>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:50:00 -0500 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.7]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14275>; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:49:50 -0500 Received: from Myrios@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id p.2b.3a36c998 (4238); Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:49:25 -0500 (EST) From: Myrios@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.3a36c998.2b950bc4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:49:24 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup Roland Library has new URL To: martin@funandmusic.de, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Which of these sample sets will work with the s760? -jt In a message dated 3/3/03 11:05:11 AM, martin@funandmusic.de writes: >Hi everybody, > > > >my Roland Sample Library website has a new URL. For all who don=B4t know >it: > > > >www.roland-library.de > > > >There you can find all I have and all I got from you. > >If anyone want=B4s to mail me new things, please do it. > > > >Bye; Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Hi everybody,
> >
> >
my Roland Sample Library website has a new URL. For=20 > >all who don=B4t know it:
> >
> >
www.roland-library.de
> >
> >
There you can find all I have and all I got from=20 > >you.
> >
If anyone want=B4s to mail me new things, please do=20 > >it.
> >
> >
Bye; Martin
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From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 4 04:15:54 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-26452>; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:15:47 -0500 Received: from BIE14s.brother.co.uk (bie14s.brother.co.uk [195.226.51.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-26452>; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:15:41 -0500 Received: by BIE14s.brother.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:13:46 -0000 Message-ID: <7E444F72B4CAB946A4389714E9FBBD9401D01D60@BIE14s.brother.co.uk> From: Steven Downhill To: "SGROUP (E-mail)" Subject: sgroup Re: Sgroup Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:13:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, Does anybody out there know what type of UK power supply unit an 'Intimidation Apex' DJ mixer uses?. I bought one cheap this weekend without psu as I was going to use the case and switches for other things, however it contains an effects section which may be of use and I'd like to see if that works before cannibalising it. This is a non-sgroup subject so it's probably best if you have an answer to reply off list. Thanks. Regards Steven UK IMPORTANT NOTICE The contents of this email are confidential and are for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that, although this email has been virus-checked, neither Brother International Europe Ltd nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and attachments (if any). 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From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 5 05:16:22 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14047>; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:16:14 -0500 Received: from gate.Heineken.NL (mx1.hn.nl [193.172.18.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14047>; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:16:08 -0500 Sensitivity: Subject: sgroup Yesterday i bought a S-550 including 272 sample diskettes.. :] To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:16:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NLHnsExternal1/HeinExternal(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 05-03-2003 11:16:03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Yesterday i bought a S-550+brand new manual+ Roland monitor+Roland mouse+272 sample disks for 150 Euro.. :=) I suppose someone would be interested in the sample disks. The former owner declared that it contained some part of the original roland library and some self sampled disks. I did not had the chance to test the disks if they still work because i forgot to take the power chord with me. ;\ He will send it to me by mail. I am thinking of setting up an ftp for the sample discs so that i can share it, and make a backup at the same time. What do you think.. is that a good idea..? And if i will convert the discs what is the best way to do it.. I heard 'sdisk' would be the way to do it. Advice on this would be very welcome. And i have one question.. i am interested in the sequencer package for the s-550. A copy will do also meanwhile. Can somebody make me a copy, or can it be downloaded from the net..? Back to work now.. ;'\ Jasper, - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 5 05:26:54 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-14047>; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:26:44 -0500 Received: from mx1.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.114]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-14047>; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:26:38 -0500 Received: from dumbo.kapsch.co.at (dumbo.kapsch.co.at) by mx1.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:26:32 +0100 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.115]) by dumbo.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:26:32 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup Yesterday i bought a S-550 including 272 sample diskettes.. :] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:26:29 -0500 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C0E98@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup Yesterday i bought a S-550 including 272 sample diskettes.. :] Thread-Index: AcLjAF+OL9gvEkIXQralqnXbDr1noQAAYn1Q From: "Ullrich Peter" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2003 10:26:32.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0EFE760:01C2E301] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >Yesterday i bought a S-550+brand new manual+ Roland monitor+Roland >mouse+272 sample disks for 150 Euro.. :=3D) Good price! >I am thinking of setting up an ftp for the sample discs so that i can = share >it, and make a backup at the same time. What do you think.. is that a = good >idea..? And if i will convert the discs what is the best way to do it.. = I >heard 'sdisk' would be the way to do it. Advice on this would be very >welcome. SDISK V1.1 or SDISKWIN V1.3 >And i have one question.. i am interested in the sequencer package for = the >s-550. A copy will do also meanwhile. Can somebody make me a copy, or = can >it be downloaded from the net..? "Open" version can be loaded from here: http://www.roland-library.de I could sell my original version with dongle and handbook for 50.- Euro = + postage. Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich As of 1st of February there are new numbers: Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 (0)-50 811 2209 eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. Kapsch TrafficCom AG Vienna / Austria \ ( ( ) http://www.kapsch-trafficcom.com/ -----\_)----) /-------------------------------------------------------- (_/ This e-mail and any attachment and the included information are = confidential, protected by copyright and intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient any disclosure, = copying, distribution or retention of this e-mail is prohibited and may be = unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please inform us immediately, delete = this e-mail and all attachments from your system, and refrain from taking any = other action in reliance to this e-mail. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 6 01:12:34 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-1710>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:12:29 -0500 Received: from gate.Heineken.NL (mx1.hn.nl [193.172.18.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1710>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:12:14 -0500 Sensitivity: Subject: sgroup First few things, To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:13:05 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NLHnsExternal1/HeinExternal(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 06-03-2003 07:12:13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I made webcam photo's of all the disks that i recently bought. Some disk got mixed up.. :[ .. I could not read it anymore because my webcam was not installed correctly and therefore unable to make a picture in high quality. And i made some test disk already.. for testing by you. See if i converted them correctly. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jdhaas/sgroup/ Regards, Jasper, - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 6 06:26:54 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-1709>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:26:48 -0500 Received: from gate.Heineken.NL (mx1.hn.nl [193.172.18.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1709>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:26:41 -0500 Sensitivity: Subject: sgroup Awave To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:27:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NLHnsExternal1/HeinExternal(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 06-03-2003 12:26:35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ok thanks.. i will have a look at Awave when i get home. 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From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 6 09:51:16 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-1710>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:51:08 -0500 Received: from fedex.is.co.za ([196.4.160.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1710>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:50:58 -0500 Received: from [196.33.246.72] (c9-rba-72.dial-up.net [196.33.246.72]) by fedex.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950AEB8948 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:50:25 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:50:18 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: sgroup Sending samples to S760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk A while ago, folks were asking whether CDXtract or Translator could convert *TO* Roland S760 format. I asked the folks at CDXtract and got this reply from Igor: >The only way seems to use cdXtract to extract the samples and after Peak or >Dsp-quattro to send those samples in the S series by Smidi (?) >DSP-quattro seems to be a VERY interesting product regarding to is price (99$) >www.dsp-quattro.com > >you lose all programs of course ... >do you think it can be interesting to propose that kind of features ? >regarding the fact that people have more and more Software Samplers :) >I own myself a S760 and a SP700, so I understand why they want to re insert >samples inside :) but for 20 people it can be a LONG development ! >but let me see what can we do :) In my experience, Bernard & Igor are very helpful and always keen to improve CDXtract. The OSX Version is ready and will be available for download soon for registered users. I've had excellent results with CDX so far. Just thought you list folks would be interested........ Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 6 10:37:03 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-1710>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:36:56 -0500 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1710>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:36:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.45] (helo=wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18qxQP-0005qH-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:36:49 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.58] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Thu Mar 06 10:36:49 EST 2003 Message-ID: <5912390.1046965009145.JavaMail.nobody@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:37:06 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Sending samples to S760 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I would definitely be interested in software that would allow me to send wav files to the S-760 with the loops intact. Someone sent me an old version of Recycle that was suposed to do the same thing through MIDI but it was very slow and made my S-760 lock up. Jesse Colin Shapiro wrote: > In my experience, Bernard & Igor are very helpful and always keen to > improve CDXtract. The OSX Version is ready and will be available for > download soon for registered users. I've had excellent results with CDX > so far. > Just thought you list folks would be interested........ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 6 11:00:31 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-1710>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:00:22 -0500 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1710>; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:00:19 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.45] (helo=wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18qxn1-0001kU-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:00:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.62] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Thu Mar 06 11:00:10 EST 2003 Message-ID: <2335537.1046966410691.JavaMail.nobody@wamui07.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:00:29 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup First few things, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl wrote: > And i made some test disk already.. for testing by you. See if i converted > them correctly. Thanks very much for the effort. I tried some of these through Awave and they sound great. These titles are very familiar - I know some of them like Suspense are from the Roland library. Are they all? Oh, and by the way, your web site is unavailable right now. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 7 15:58:16 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-14896>; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:58:11 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-14896>; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:57:56 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h27KvpM85688 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:57:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-14896>; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:55:05 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h27Kswf85528 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:54:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Message-ID: <000801c2e4bb$ee7a3980$87560650@beachhome> From: "Richard Beacham" To: Subject: sgroup 4mb simms For s750 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:12:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2E4BB.ED554180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Status: R Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2E4BB.ED554180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Can any users in the U.K tell me where I can purchase 4mb simms for the = 750, I have only found one place in the us so far, the're cheap, but the = shipping costs aint...LOL cheers Beach --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Hi Richard,

What type of simms does the S750 take? If they are 72 or 30 pin types then you can buy these from any computer/electronic shop or even cheaper at the many computer fairs dotted all over the U.K, I don't know what part of the U.K you are from but you shouldn't have a problem tracking these down. I'd check out the local computer fairs if I was you and you'll find should find bargain prices.

Jason

 Richard Beacham <richard_beacham@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Hello all,
 
Can any users in the U.K tell me where I can purchase 4mb simms for the 750, I have only found one place in the us so far, the're cheap, but the shipping costs aint...LOL
 
cheers
 
Beach
 

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--0-1576446211-1047076001=:40355-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 9 09:00:12 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-22517>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:00:04 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-22517>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:00:01 -0500 Received: from epu1 (204.new-york-21rh16rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.201.204]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003030913595711100m06ile>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:59:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2e643$51d36140$ccc9580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , Subject: sgroup I'm gettng it! Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 08:53:51 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E619.682325E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E619.682325E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings Group(s), I've decided to plop down and get the Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD in = Roland format. It'll be quite a kick in the pants monetarily speaking, = but it's something that I've wanted for quite some time. These guys at = Ilio accept money orders and COD! I'll take this route to get my CDs a = little faster. Next on the list would be to save up for a decent effects = processor to complement my sampler, like the Lexicon MPX550. Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E619.682325E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings Group(s),
 
I've decided to plop down and get the = Hans Zimmer=20 Guitars Vol. 1 CD in Roland format. It'll be quite a kick in the pants=20 monetarily speaking, but it's something that I've wanted for quite some = time.=20 These guys at Ilio accept money orders and COD! I'll take this route to = get my=20 CDs a little faster. Next on the list would be to save up for a decent = effects=20 processor to complement my sampler, like the Lexicon = MPX550.
 
Later,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E619.682325E0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 9 11:05:50 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-22517>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:05:42 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-22518>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:05:36 -0500 Received: from [80.46.170.29] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18s3Ks-000Jpf-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:07:38 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup Sample cds - was I'm gettng it! Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c2e643$51d36140$ccc9580c@epu1> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Just to let the group know that Greytsounds are liquidating older synth patches on floppy and sample discs on eBay. I just bought their Philip Wolfe's Rock Keyboard cd-rom for $30 + shipping. It's the best collection of B3 samples in Roland format, plus various Moog banks. At that price you can't go wrong! The URL is http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=greytsoun ds.com&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 which lists all their current auctions. If you've missed one because someone else has already bought what's on offer, they relist the same offer straight away. They are two other 'buy it now' Philip Wolfe's cds right now. Other current offers include 11 01/W floppies for $90, five Akai cd-roms for $150 and many more. Although relevant only to E-Mu owners, Syntec-gmbh are doing the same thing with their Wall of Sound series. I just got the World of FM cd-rom for 19 euros which is more or less $19! URL is http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=syntec*&i nclude=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 where they've listed four volumes. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 9 11:41:14 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-22517>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:41:07 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.57]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-22517>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:41:03 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.214.65.122.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([63.214.65.122] helo=mindspring.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18s3r6-0008Ld-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 09 Mar 2003 11:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3E6B6EAA.8070703@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:41:14 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Sample cds - was I'm gettng it! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have two of these CDs, Greytsounds Vol. 1: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1289&item=2507131588 and the Rock Keyboards: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1289&item=2514130663 Greytsounds Vol. 1 is a nice variety of samples. I haven't been through the entire CD but the sound quality is good, maybe not as good in general as the better stuff on the Roland CDs but good nonetheless, definitely musical and usable. If you want to know whether or not to get it, here's a very good review which is spot-on, based on my experience: http://www.greytsounds.com/gs/gifs/reviews/k2000_kbd_p1.gif and: http://www.greytsounds.com/gs/gifs/reviews/k2000_kbd_p2.gif Rock Keyboards is very good in general, but a few of the B-3 patches have problems. First, some of them are noisy but only in certain ranges of the sample. And not good Hammond B-3 noisy, but bad noisy as in poorly sampled. Secondly, there are tuning problems with a few of the patches. How you get an organ multi-sample out of tune with itself I don't understand, but there are a few patches with this problem. (Francois, do you have this problem - is it possible I have a bad CD?) Even so, I'd recommend it for the price. I've had a good experience with Greytsounds in general, including their tech support, and I might call them up and see what price they'll give me for just the Classic Keyboards & Vintage Synthesizers CD: http://www.greytsounds.com/gs/cd/claskeys.html?CXT=0159455270 Jesse Francois Rossi wrote: > Just to let the group know that Greytsounds are liquidating older synth > patches on floppy and sample discs on eBay. > > I just bought their Philip Wolfe's Rock Keyboard cd-rom for $30 + shipping. > It's the best collection of B3 samples in Roland format, plus various Moog > banks. At that price you can't go wrong! > > The URL is > http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=greytsoun > ds.com&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 which lists all their current > auctions. > > If you've missed one because someone else has already bought what's on > offer, they relist the same offer straight away. They are two other 'buy it > now' Philip Wolfe's cds right now. > > Other current offers include 11 01/W floppies for $90, five Akai cd-roms for > $150 and many more. > > Although relevant only to E-Mu owners, Syntec-gmbh are doing the same thing > with their Wall of Sound series. I just got the World of FM cd-rom for 19 > euros which is more or less $19! > > URL is > http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=syntec*&i > nclude=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 where they've listed four volumes. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 9 12:00:58 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-22518>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:00:49 -0500 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.162]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-22518>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:00:39 -0500 Received: from Myrios@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id d.196.16ebc91a (4238); Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:00:28 -0500 (EST) From: Myrios@aol.com Message-ID: <196.16ebc91a.2b9ccd2b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:00:27 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup Sample cds - was I'm gettng it! To: jsegovia@mindspring.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Re: Greytsounds CD's- for s760 users, do you order these in Akai s-series format?... thanks, m In a message dated 3/9/03 8:41:56 AM, jsegovia@mindspring.com writes: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1289&item=2507131588 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 9 12:05:52 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-22518>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:05:43 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.57]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-22518>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:05:40 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.214.65.122.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([63.214.65.122] helo=mindspring.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18s4F0-0006G4-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:05:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3E6B7475.9040708@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:05:57 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Sample cds - was I'm gettng it! References: <196.16ebc91a.2b9ccd2b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I believe the Rock Keyboards CD (B-3 and some Moog samples) is the only one they have in Roland format. Yes, I have Greytsounds Vol. 1 in Akai S-100 format and although you have to be patient while it's loading (I usually end up auditioning D-50 patches or doing some other work on my MIDI studio) they sound fine when they finally load. In my experience you lose the Modulation control, though. Jesse Myrios@aol.com wrote: > Re: Greytsounds CD's- for s760 users, do you order these in Akai s-series > format?... > > thanks, > m > > In a message dated 3/9/03 8:41:56 AM, jsegovia@mindspring.com writes: > > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1289&item=2507131588 > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 9 13:08:07 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-22517>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:08:00 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-22517>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:07:50 -0500 Received: from dialup-67.30.187.97.dial.boston1.level3.net ([67.30.187.97] helo=mindspring.com) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18s5DA-0006Mp-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 09 Mar 2003 13:07:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3E6B8305.60704@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:08:05 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup New S-550 Samples Available Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Our list meister John Sellens has been gracious enough to upload some of my samples for the Roland S-550. They are in sdisk image format, although archived in the gz format (recent versions of Windisk will extract them). The S-700 series samplers will read them, I believe the S-330 will read them as is, and they can be converted to S-50 format. They are available at: http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/jesse_segovia/ Check the file ReadMe.txt for a full listing of patches and descriptions of each floppy disk image. A list of the disk titles is at the bottom of this email. Let me know what you think of the samples! Thanks again, John. Jesse Llorar Por Amor Jesse's Drums No. 1 Jesse's Drums No. 2 Jesse's Snares No. 1 Jesse's Snares No. 2 Jesse's Snares No. 3 S-10 Favorites Korg M1 Synbass & Chimes Korg M1 Bottle Bells Korg M1 Drums Synth Factory Drums Cazio RZ-1 Drums Roland 626 Drums Alesis HR 16 Drums Dry 1 Alesis HR-16 Drums Dry 2 Alesis HR-16:B Drums Dry 1 Alesis HR-16:B Drums Dry 2 & Processed Snares Alesis HR-16:B Processed HR-16:B Drum Kits No. 1 Roland R-8 Drums Dry 1 Roland R-8 Drums Dry 2 Roland R-8 Drums Dry 3 Roland R-8 Drums Dry 4 Roland R-8 Drums Dry 5 Roland R-8 Snares 1 Roland R-8 Drums Kits 1 Roland MT-32 Patches No. 1 Roland MT-32 Patches No. 2 Roland MT-32 Patches No. 3 Roland MT-32 Percussion Jupiter 6 Patches No 1 Jupiter 6 Patches No 2 Yamaha TX-802 Patches No. 1 Yamaha TX-802 Patches No. 2 Yamaha TX-802 Patches No. 3 Yamaha TX-802 Patches No. 4 Yamaha TX-802 Patches No. 5 Yamaha TX-802 Patches No. 6 Roland MKS-70 No. 1 Roland MKS-70 No. 2 Roland MKS-70 No. 3 Universe of Sounds Drums No. 1 Drum Loops 1 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 9 13:46:12 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-22518>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:46:05 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-22518>; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:45:54 -0500 Received: from [80.46.170.29] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18s5nz-0003fT-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 09 Mar 2003 18:45:51 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup New S-550 Samples Available Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:48:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3E6B8305.60704@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Most excellent! Thanks for sharing. Francois > Our list meister John Sellens... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 10 02:28:27 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-25248>; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:28:20 -0500 Received: from smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.127.137]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-25249>; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:28:07 -0500 Received: from audiosystem (a213-84-51-125.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.51.125]) by smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with SMTP id h2A7S1KT026445 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:28:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001a01c2e6d6$8be25150$7d3354d5@audiosystem> From: "Jasper de Haas" To: Subject: sgroup I will continue the conversion.. but a few disks a day.. Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:27:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2E6DE.ED154EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2E6DE.ED154EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I will continue the conversion.. but a few disks a day.. and with = intervals.. : \ http://www.xs4all.nl/~jdhaas/sgroup/ 'time is our enemy' Bye, ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2E6DE.ED154EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2E6DE.ED154EC0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 10 21:13:12 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-25248>; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:13:04 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-25248>; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:12:57 -0500 Received: from epu1 (193.new-york-05rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.168.193]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20030311021251112005uq6be>; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:12:51 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c2e772$dbe06740$c1a8580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , Subject: sgroup Order Update! Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:06:40 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2E748.F24A1C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2E748.F24A1C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, Just so you all know, I placed an order for the Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol. = 1 CD. I should receive it this coming Wednesday. I'll test it out and = post a review here. If I like the sample CD that much, I may put my = Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass Roland formatted sample CD on Ebay for $125. Take Care, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2E748.F24A1C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Just so you all know, I placed an order = for the=20 Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD. I should receive it this coming = Wednesday. I'll=20 test it out and post a review here. If I like the sample CD that much, I = may put=20 my Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass Roland formatted sample CD on Ebay = for=20 $125.
 
Take Care,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C2E748.F24A1C80-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 10 22:09:11 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-25248>; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:09:04 -0500 Received: from web80306.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.79.22]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193724-25248>; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:08:57 -0500 Message-ID: <20030311030855.49796.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.216.13.68] by web80306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:08:55 PST Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:08:55 -0500 From: omz Reply-To: omz@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: sgroup Order Update! To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <001e01c2e772$dbe06740$c1a8580c@epu1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --- "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > Hey All, > > Just so you all know, I placed an order for the Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 > CD. I should receive it this coming Wednesday. I'll test it out and post a > review here. If I like the sample CD that much, I may put my Quantum Leap > Guitars & Bass Roland formatted sample CD on Ebay for $125. > > Take Care, > Harold i thought sample cd's were not resellable??? ===== ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 11 12:46:42 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5700>; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:46:34 -0500 Received: from fedex.is.co.za ([196.4.160.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-5700>; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:46:30 -0500 Received: from [196.33.246.89] (c9-rba-89.dial-up.net [196.33.246.89]) by fedex.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1CCB7ECC for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:46:15 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030311030855.49796.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030311030855.49796.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:46:05 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >--- "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > > >> Just so you all know, I placed an order for the Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol.= 1 >> CD. I should receive it this coming Wednesday. I'll test it out and post= a >> review here. If I like the sample CD that much, I may put my Quantum Lea= p > > Guitars & Bass Roland formatted sample CD on Ebay for $125. omz replied: >i thought sample cd's were not resellable??? Certainly that's the case with Spectrasonics - I don't know about Quantum le= ap. I've posted about this on many occasions, but people seem to conveniently forget this. Here's what I wrote on 09/04/2002 =46unny enough, it was in reply to the same Harold Everton who was expressing interest in trading his old CD's for the very same Quantum Leap disk that he now wants to sell!! Buyer beware...... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - on 09/04/2002 Harold Everton wrote: >I'm pretty tired of my sample CD collection as I have no use for it. I was >wondering if anyone would be interested in trading all of my CDs for a >Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass for Roland. My CDs are: > >* Roland Rhythm Section Instruments Vol. 1 >* Bob Clearmountain Drums >* Roland Preview CD >* Roland Sampling Showcase >* Alesis D5 Drum Module Sample CD >* Zero G Sampling Showcase. > >I'd be willing to trade all of these CDs for just the Quantum Leap Guitar & >Bass CD ROM in Roland format. Please let me know if any of you are >interested. >Thanks, >Harold You should be aware that this is illegal. When you buy a sample CD, you are purchasing an exclusive licence FOR YOURSELF to use the sounds on that CD. The licence is not transferable or resellable. Think about it: You buy a CD You copy it You sell/trade it Now you have 2 CD's but you haven't paid for one of them. Just for interest, I've quoted a mail from Eric Persing (of Spectrasonics) that was posted to the EXS24 group some time back. Regards - Colin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (from Eric Persing) Here's some answers to your questions and comments: (BTW, All of this information is always printed on the OUTSIDE of our packages, so if you don't like these policy, you can return the disc unopene= d and get a full refund). >I was sure I could buy a Sample CD and sell it if I wanted I didn=B4t know >I had to die with the Sample Cd in my grave! That's basically it. The license is for a single person. >Of course (if I'm informed correctly) you are allowed to sell or give away >your CDs, but again it's obvious to me that after this you aren't allowed >to use the material any longer by yourself. That's incorrect (see below) >So what happens if let=B4s say I bought a CD and want to sell it I can=B4t >do this either?? Correct. For the same reason that you can't "sell" a license of a James Brow= n recording, even if you bought a license from his record company to use it yourself. You don't own the recordings, so you can't license them or give those rights to someone else. >If I buy a PC game and want to sell it there is nothing illegal about that >so what=B4s the difference in selling a PC game original or a Sample CD >original?? Big difference...you aren't using the game to create a new game. With Sample CDs, you use the recorded material to create your own music recordings. That's why a license is different than a piece of software. (although you should really check the legalities of trading the PC games, different laws apply to software). >Or if the worst thing happens for example It gets stolen or I die and >someone keeps the Sample CD will someone sue my mum and dad???? No worries, legal action would be taken against the thief, not your mum & da= d! >It seems like you third part developers have big problems then because >I=B4ve seen people all over the world trading CD=B4s and what about all the= Mp 3=B4s >with samples from Sample Cd=B4s wich are trade with all the different look >a like Napster programs aren=B4t all those people about 100 million people trading sounds and samples illegally?? You are correct...this is a major problem for our industry. The changes that have taken place in the last few years are massive. But it is the same old argument that if everyone's doing it, then it must be legal. As Napster will tell you, that just isn't the case. >Sometimes it gets very difficult to know If it=B4s legal or not at least > people in the west with internet are not always following the rules and >if those 100 millions are doing soemthing illegal why aren=B4t there people >suing them are they to many to handle??? Certainly, many people do illegal things these days. Lots of lawsuits are happening, but you don't hear about many of them. If you know anyone at a record company, they'll tell you about lots of cases that are going on. It isn't difficult to know the legalities of Sample CD swapping, all of our products come with lots of information in written and audio form explaining what is allowed and what is not. We cannot control if people ignore the laws= , but we do go after people who break the law. There exists several organizations that police this activity, and all the developers in the business share info on who's doing what. >Well Spectrasonics please send me a link with laws because it seems a hell >of a lot easier to get hold of Cd=B4s than knowing the law! Check out the Sound Recording Copyright Act from the US Copyright office. >One question pops up though: >Let's assume I'm doing a remix and there's one single loop in the material >I'm getting, coming from a commercial sample CD. In order to use that singl= e >loop in the remix, will I have to buy the complete CD just because of that? If the original artist has a license, then you are OK to use it only for the remix. If not, you could have legal problems...especially if your remix becomes popular. >The way I'm doing it now is that I streem all tracks from bar 1 to the >end of the song. That doesn't give away the samples, but it gives away the way _I_ used the samples. >I also write on the tracks sheet what samples cd's where used. Nobody could tell me if this is the legal way to do it though... >Maybe somebody from Spectrasonic would comment on this? This is an excellent way of solving the problem -it respects our samples, an= d allows you to deliver the project to the label. Great! >When someone decided to create a samples CD, he absolutely knows that the >CD can be copied ( of course, or he is from a planet called QWERTY !)... >If I bought a CD I can do what I want with... give it to someone, make >a present, put it in the trash or whatever... It is also very easy to go over the speed limit when you are driving a car, but it doesn't mean that you won't get a ticket! Of course we know that it i= s easy to copy, but that doesn't mean that we don't care about it, and that we don't prosecute people that abuse the law. >So if I buy the permission I can=B4t sell it?? >How can Michael Jackson the buy all the Beatles permissions?? It cost over $100 million as I remember. >But I still want an answer If I have an original sample CD can=B4t I change >it with someone else who bought an original sample CD??? No you can't. >Like you said I buy the permission but I must be able to sell my permission >somehow if I want or?? That's what a "non-transferrable, single-user" license means. >You want to be moral about it and realize the clear legal ambiguities of >the different >possible ways of aquiring use of these sounds, but you rationalize it by >telling >yourself that you wouldn't be buying these CDs anyway. So having them to >play around >and experiment with and maybe even occassionaly use on an income generating >project >isn't really costing the sample makers any lost profit because you wouldn't >be buying >them anyway. All of a sudden the crime you are committing seems a bit more >distant. >You feel removed from it. > >Bottom line of course is that we all know that if you aren't paying for >them, then you >shouldn't be using them. At all. You don't pay the money, you shouldn't >be part of the >party. Anyway, I don't have any real point to get at here; I'm just commenting >on the >moral paradigm I see around me all the time; which affects me and that >I am required >to function within. And after all is asaid and done, at the end of the >day, most everyone I know finds a way to sleep decently at night. Rationalization is a beautiful thing! :-) However, obviously you have to draw the line. It isn't a "victimless" crime. Illegal copying, trading and piracy radically affects my family and the musicians who are involved in our projects (they receive royalties from the sales), does that make it easier for you to do the right thing? As this forum regularly points out, there are lots of free and legal alternatives for sounds. They're usually not as good as commercial libraries= , but you get what you pay for. You don't HAVE to use illegally pirated libraries to make a music business for yourself. >What if your not professional and not using it on a pro job, but only using it >for your own personal non professional projects? And based on the cost >to profit ratio you wouldn't normally buy these CDs. Of course it is still >illegal, but is the crime then as "bad"? It would be inconsistent for us to allow non-pros to use our samples on an unlimited basis, while pros had to pay. It would be impossible to track, since many bedroom productions now go on to be major hits. We have to keep i= t simple. >If u'r not professionnal, I mean u don't earn money with u'r music, u can >do what u want ! >I don't know any report of any TRIAL against any kind of user. That's really bad advice. Individual, non-pro users get in trouble for illegal copying and trading all the time. Just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen regularly. Most people that have illegal discs will get in trouble over it, it's usually just a matter of whe= n. >Did those companies invest in research to find a solution to not be able >to copy Cd ? ...no... Yael, you are way off base here. You don't know what any of these companies are doing. If you read the news, you'll see that these days every intellectual property owner who is distributing on CDs/DVDs is working on non-copyable CD technology. It is a huge hassle for everyone, but it is necessary. >it's not a Money problem, even 1 $ ... when u win money u can buy those >Cd, > >if it's an hobby u can do what u want... Your opinion, but not the law. >Here in the UK licences to play music recordings in public places, and >places of work are administered by the PRS (Performing Rights Society) >who collect the licence fees and distribute to the copyright holders as >royalties. PRS, ACAP and BMI are organizations that license the performance of compositions (songwriting). This area of Copyright Law is wholly separate from the Sound Recording copyright. As such, our samples are not covered under any agreements with any of these organizations. You have to buy the disc (license) from an authorized Spectrasonics dealer or distributor. >Maybe we could have a group purchase of a studio and a set of horn players, >and share all the sounds together via rocket!!!!!!!! I would highly recommend this experiment. Everyone involved will have a new appreciation of what is involved to produce a usable patch. Brass in particular is insanely hard. Whew! Long post......hope that helps clarify some of these issues. Best regards, Eric Persing Creative Director Spectrasonics - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 11 13:30:38 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5700>; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:30:31 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-5700>; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:30:24 -0500 Received: from epu1 (50.new-york-20rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.198.50]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003031118301711100f3ovle>; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:30:17 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2e7fb$6970c180$32c6580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <20030311030855.49796.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:24:09 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2E7D1.7FDA76C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2E7D1.7FDA76C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, Oddly enough, I certainly have all of those CDs to date. Once you buy = them, they're yours forever until you die! I called East West and they = told me that the CD isn't resellable. So I guess I'm stuck with. It's a = great CD, so it's no big deal. Later, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Colin Shapiro To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) >--- "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > > >> Just so you all know, I placed an order for the Hans Zimmer Guitars = Vol. 1 >> CD. I should receive it this coming Wednesday. I'll test it out and = post a >> review here. If I like the sample CD that much, I may put my Quantum = Leap > > Guitars & Bass Roland formatted sample CD on Ebay for $125. omz replied: >i thought sample cd's were not resellable??? Certainly that's the case with Spectrasonics - I don't know about = Quantum leap. I've posted about this on many occasions, but people seem to=20 conveniently forget this. Here's what I wrote on 09/04/2002 Funny enough, it was in reply to the same Harold Everton who was=20 expressing interest in trading his old CD's for the very same Quantum=20 Leap disk that he now wants to sell!! Buyer beware...... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - on 09/04/2002 Harold Everton wrote: >I'm pretty tired of my sample CD collection as I have no use for it. I = was >wondering if anyone would be interested in trading all of my CDs for a >Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass for Roland. My CDs are: > >* Roland Rhythm Section Instruments Vol. 1 >* Bob Clearmountain Drums >* Roland Preview CD >* Roland Sampling Showcase >* Alesis D5 Drum Module Sample CD >* Zero G Sampling Showcase. > >I'd be willing to trade all of these CDs for just the Quantum Leap = Guitar & >Bass CD ROM in Roland format. Please let me know if any of you are >interested. >Thanks, >Harold You should be aware that this is illegal. When you buy a sample CD, you are purchasing an exclusive licence FOR YOURSELF to use the sounds on that CD. The licence is not transferable or resellable. Think about it: You buy a CD You copy it You sell/trade it Now you have 2 CD's but you haven't paid for one of them. Just for interest, I've quoted a mail from Eric Persing (of Spectrasonics) that was posted to the EXS24 group some time back. Regards - Colin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (from Eric Persing) Here's some answers to your questions and comments: (BTW, All of this information is always printed on the OUTSIDE of our packages, so if you don't like these policy, you can return the disc = unopened and get a full refund). >I was sure I could buy a Sample CD and sell it if I wanted I didn=B4t = know >I had to die with the Sample Cd in my grave! That's basically it. The license is for a single person. >Of course (if I'm informed correctly) you are allowed to sell or give = away >your CDs, but again it's obvious to me that after this you aren't = allowed >to use the material any longer by yourself. That's incorrect (see below) >So what happens if let=B4s say I bought a CD and want to sell it I = can=B4t >do this either?? Correct. For the same reason that you can't "sell" a license of a James = Brown recording, even if you bought a license from his record company to use = it yourself. You don't own the recordings, so you can't license them or = give those rights to someone else. >If I buy a PC game and want to sell it there is nothing illegal about = that >so what=B4s the difference in selling a PC game original or a Sample CD >original?? Big difference...you aren't using the game to create a new game. With = Sample CDs, you use the recorded material to create your own music recordings. That's why a license is different than a piece of software. (although = you should really check the legalities of trading the PC games, different = laws apply to software). >Or if the worst thing happens for example It gets stolen or I die and >someone keeps the Sample CD will someone sue my mum and dad???? No worries, legal action would be taken against the thief, not your mum = & dad! >It seems like you third part developers have big problems then because >I=B4ve seen people all over the world trading CD=B4s and what about all = the Mp 3=B4s >with samples from Sample Cd=B4s wich are trade with all the different = look >a like Napster programs aren=B4t all those people about 100 million = people trading sounds and samples illegally?? You are correct...this is a major problem for our industry. The changes = that have taken place in the last few years are massive. But it is the same = old argument that if everyone's doing it, then it must be legal. As Napster = will tell you, that just isn't the case. >Sometimes it gets very difficult to know If it=B4s legal or not at = least > people in the west with internet are not always following the rules = and >if those 100 millions are doing soemthing illegal why aren=B4t there = people >suing them are they to many to handle??? Certainly, many people do illegal things these days. Lots of lawsuits = are happening, but you don't hear about many of them. If you know anyone at = a record company, they'll tell you about lots of cases that are going on. It isn't difficult to know the legalities of Sample CD swapping, all of = our products come with lots of information in written and audio form = explaining what is allowed and what is not. We cannot control if people ignore the = laws, but we do go after people who break the law. There exists several organizations that police this activity, and all the developers in the business share info on who's doing what. >Well Spectrasonics please send me a link with laws because it seems a = hell >of a lot easier to get hold of Cd=B4s than knowing the law! Check out the Sound Recording Copyright Act from the US Copyright = office. >One question pops up though: >Let's assume I'm doing a remix and there's one single loop in the = material >I'm getting, coming from a commercial sample CD. In order to use that = single >loop in the remix, will I have to buy the complete CD just because of = that? If the original artist has a license, then you are OK to use it only for = the remix. If not, you could have legal problems...especially if your remix becomes popular. >The way I'm doing it now is that I streem all tracks from bar 1 to the >end of the song. That doesn't give away the samples, but it gives away = the way _I_ used the samples. >I also write on the tracks sheet what samples cd's where used. Nobody = could tell me if this is the legal way to do it though... >Maybe somebody from Spectrasonic would comment on this? This is an excellent way of solving the problem -it respects our = samples, and allows you to deliver the project to the label. Great! >When someone decided to create a samples CD, he absolutely knows that = the >CD can be copied ( of course, or he is from a planet called QWERTY = !)... >If I bought a CD I can do what I want with... give it to someone, make >a present, put it in the trash or whatever... It is also very easy to go over the speed limit when you are driving a = car, but it doesn't mean that you won't get a ticket! Of course we know that = it is easy to copy, but that doesn't mean that we don't care about it, and = that we don't prosecute people that abuse the law. >So if I buy the permission I can=B4t sell it?? >How can Michael Jackson the buy all the Beatles permissions?? It cost over $100 million as I remember. >But I still want an answer If I have an original sample CD can=B4t I = change >it with someone else who bought an original sample CD??? No you can't. >Like you said I buy the permission but I must be able to sell my = permission >somehow if I want or?? That's what a "non-transferrable, single-user" license means. >You want to be moral about it and realize the clear legal ambiguities = of >the different >possible ways of aquiring use of these sounds, but you rationalize it = by >telling >yourself that you wouldn't be buying these CDs anyway. So having them = to >play around >and experiment with and maybe even occassionaly use on an income = generating >project >isn't really costing the sample makers any lost profit because you = wouldn't >be buying >them anyway. All of a sudden the crime you are committing seems a bit = more >distant. >You feel removed from it. > >Bottom line of course is that we all know that if you aren't paying for >them, then you >shouldn't be using them. At all. You don't pay the money, you shouldn't >be part of the >party. Anyway, I don't have any real point to get at here; I'm just commenting >on the >moral paradigm I see around me all the time; which affects me and that >I am required >to function within. And after all is asaid and done, at the end of the >day, most everyone I know finds a way to sleep decently at night. Rationalization is a beautiful thing! :-) However, obviously you have to draw the line. It isn't a "victimless" = crime. Illegal copying, trading and piracy radically affects my family and the musicians who are involved in our projects (they receive royalties from = the sales), does that make it easier for you to do the right thing? As this forum regularly points out, there are lots of free and legal alternatives for sounds. They're usually not as good as commercial = libraries, but you get what you pay for. You don't HAVE to use illegally pirated libraries to make a music business for yourself. >What if your not professional and not using it on a pro job, but only = using it >for your own personal non professional projects? And based on the cost >to profit ratio you wouldn't normally buy these CDs. Of course it is = still >illegal, but is the crime then as "bad"? It would be inconsistent for us to allow non-pros to use our samples on = an unlimited basis, while pros had to pay. It would be impossible to track, since many bedroom productions now go on to be major hits. We have to = keep it simple. >If u'r not professionnal, I mean u don't earn money with u'r music, u = can >do what u want ! >I don't know any report of any TRIAL against any kind of user. That's really bad advice. Individual, non-pro users get in trouble for illegal copying and trading all the time. Just because you don't know = about it, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen regularly. Most people that have illegal discs will get in trouble over it, it's usually just a matter of = when. >Did those companies invest in research to find a solution to not be = able >to copy Cd ? ...no... Yael, you are way off base here. You don't know what any of these = companies are doing. If you read the news, you'll see that these days every intellectual property owner who is distributing on CDs/DVDs is working = on non-copyable CD technology. It is a huge hassle for everyone, but it is necessary. >it's not a Money problem, even 1 $ ... when u win money u can buy those >Cd, > >if it's an hobby u can do what u want... Your opinion, but not the law. >Here in the UK licences to play music recordings in public places, and >places of work are administered by the PRS (Performing Rights Society) >who collect the licence fees and distribute to the copyright holders as >royalties. PRS, ACAP and BMI are organizations that license the performance of compositions (songwriting). This area of Copyright Law is wholly = separate from the Sound Recording copyright. As such, our samples are not covered under any agreements with any of these organizations. You have to buy = the disc (license) from an authorized Spectrasonics dealer or distributor. >Maybe we could have a group purchase of a studio and a set of horn = players, >and share all the sounds together via rocket!!!!!!!! I would highly recommend this experiment. Everyone involved will have a = new appreciation of what is involved to produce a usable patch. Brass in particular is insanely hard. Whew! Long post......hope that helps clarify some of these issues. Best regards, Eric Persing Creative Director Spectrasonics - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2E7D1.7FDA76C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
Oddly enough, I certainly have all of = those CDs to=20 date. Once you buy them, they're yours forever until you die! I called = East West=20 and they told me that the CD isn't resellable. So I guess I'm stuck = with. It's a=20 great CD, so it's no big deal.
 
Later,
Harold
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Shapiro <musos@icon.co.za>
To: <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:46 = PM
Subject: sgroup Copyright infringement = (was:Order=20 Update!)

>--- "Harold Everton, Jr." = <evertonrecords@worldnet.a= tt.net>=20 wrote:
>  >
>>  Just so you all know, I = placed an=20 order for the Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1
>>  CD. I should = receive=20 it this coming Wednesday. I'll test it out and post a
>>  = review=20 here. If I like the sample CD that much, I may put my Quantum = Leap
> =20 > Guitars & Bass Roland formatted sample CD on Ebay for = $125.

omz=20 replied:

>i thought sample cd's were not=20 resellable???

Certainly that's the case with Spectrasonics - I = don't know=20 about Quantum leap.

I've posted about this on many occasions, but = people=20 seem to
conveniently forget this.

Here's what I wrote on=20 09/04/2002
Funny enough, it was in reply to the same Harold Everton = who was=20
expressing interest in trading his old CD's for the very same = Quantum=20
Leap disk that he now wants to sell!!

Buyer = beware......

- - -=20 - - - - - - - - - - - -
on 09/04/2002 Harold Everton = wrote:
>I'm pretty=20 tired of my sample CD collection as I have no use for it. I = was
>wondering=20 if anyone would be interested in trading all of my CDs for = a
>Quantum Leap=20 Guitar & Bass for Roland. My CDs are:
>
>* Roland Rhythm = Section=20 Instruments Vol. 1
>* Bob Clearmountain Drums
>* Roland = Preview=20 CD
>* Roland Sampling Showcase
>* Alesis D5 Drum Module = Sample=20 CD
>* Zero G Sampling Showcase.
>
>I'd be willing to = trade all=20 of these CDs for just the Quantum Leap Guitar &
>Bass CD ROM = in Roland=20 format. Please let me know if any of you=20 are
>interested.
>Thanks,
>Harold

You should be = aware=20 that this is illegal.
When you buy a sample CD, you are purchasing an = exclusive licence FOR
YOURSELF to use the sounds on that CD.
The = licence=20 is not transferable or resellable.

Think about it:
You buy a = CD
You=20 copy it
You sell/trade it
Now you have 2 CD's but you haven't paid = for one=20 of them.

Just for interest, I've quoted a mail from Eric Persing=20 (of
Spectrasonics) that was posted to the EXS24 group some time=20 back.

Regards - Colin

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - = - - - -=20 - - - -
(from Eric Persing)
Here's some answers to your questions = and=20 comments:

(BTW, All of this information is always printed on the = OUTSIDE=20 of our
packages, so if you don't like these policy, you can return = the disc=20 unopened
and get a full refund).

>I was sure I could buy a = Sample=20 CD and sell it if I wanted I didn=B4t know
>I had to die with the = Sample Cd=20 in my grave!

That's basically it. The license is for a single=20 person.

>Of course (if I'm informed correctly) you are allowed = to sell=20 or give away
>your CDs, but again it's obvious to me that after = this you=20 aren't allowed
>to use the material any longer by = yourself.

That's=20 incorrect (see below)

>So what happens if let=B4s say I bought = a CD and=20 want to sell it I can=B4t
>do this either??

Correct. For = the same=20 reason that you can't "sell" a license of a James Brown
recording, = even if=20 you bought a license from his record company to use it
yourself. You = don't=20 own the recordings, so you can't license them or give
those rights to = someone=20 else.

>If I buy a PC game and want to sell it there is nothing = illegal=20 about that
>so what=B4s the difference in selling a PC game = original or a=20 Sample CD
>original??

Big difference...you aren't using the = game to=20 create a new game. With Sample
CDs, you use the recorded material to = create=20 your own music recordings.
That's why a license is different than a = piece of=20 software. (although you
should really check the legalities of trading = the PC=20 games, different laws
apply to software).

>Or if the worst = thing=20 happens for example It gets stolen or I die and
>someone keeps the = Sample=20 CD will someone sue my mum and dad????

No worries, legal action = would be=20 taken against the thief, not your mum & dad!

>It seems = like you=20 third part developers have big problems then because
>I=B4ve seen = people all=20 over the world trading CD=B4s and what about all the = Mp
3=B4s
>with samples=20 from Sample Cd=B4s wich are trade with all the different look
>a = like=20 Napster programs aren=B4t all those people about 100 million = people
trading=20 sounds and samples illegally??

You are correct...this is a major = problem=20 for our industry. The changes that
have taken place in the last few = years are=20 massive. But it is the same old
argument that if everyone's doing it, = then it=20 must be legal. As Napster will
tell you, that just isn't the=20 case.

>Sometimes it gets very difficult to know If it=B4s = legal or not=20 at least
>  people in the west with internet are not always = following=20 the rules and
>if those 100 millions are doing soemthing illegal = why=20 aren=B4t there people
>suing them are they to many to=20 handle???

Certainly, many people do illegal things these days. = Lots of=20 lawsuits are
happening, but you don't hear about many of them. If you = know=20 anyone at a
record company, they'll tell you about lots of cases that = are=20 going on.

It isn't difficult to know the legalities of Sample CD=20 swapping, all of our
products come with lots of information in = written and=20 audio form explaining
what is allowed and what is not. We cannot = control if=20 people ignore the laws,
but we do go after people who break the law. = There=20 exists several
organizations that police this activity, and all the=20 developers in the
business share info on who's doing = what.

>Well=20 Spectrasonics please send me a link with laws because it seems a = hell
>of=20 a lot easier to get hold of Cd=B4s than knowing the law!

Check = out the=20 Sound Recording Copyright Act from the US Copyright = office.

>One=20 question pops up though:
>Let's assume I'm doing a remix and = there's one=20 single loop in the material
>I'm getting, coming from a commercial = sample=20 CD. In order to use that single
>loop in the remix, will I have to = buy the=20 complete CD just because of that?

If the original artist has a = license,=20 then you are OK to use it only for the
remix. If not, you could have = legal=20 problems...especially if your remix
becomes popular.

>The = way I'm=20 doing it now is that I streem all tracks from bar 1 to the
>end of = the=20 song. That doesn't give away the samples, but it gives away the
way = _I_ used=20 the samples.
>I also write on the tracks sheet what samples cd's = where=20 used. Nobody could
tell me if this is the legal way to do it=20 though...
>Maybe somebody from Spectrasonic would comment on=20 this?

This is an excellent way of solving the problem -it = respects our=20 samples, and
allows you to deliver the project to the label.=20 Great!

>When someone decided to create a samples CD, he = absolutely=20 knows that the
>CD can be copied ( of course, or he is from a = planet=20 called QWERTY !)...
>If I bought a CD I can do what I want with... = give it=20 to someone, make
>a present, put it in the trash or = whatever...

It=20 is also very easy to go over the speed limit when you are driving a = car,
but=20 it doesn't mean that you won't get a ticket! Of course we know that it=20 is
easy to copy, but that doesn't mean that we don't care about it, = and that=20 we
don't prosecute people that abuse the law.

>So if I buy = the=20 permission I can=B4t sell it??
>How can Michael Jackson the buy = all the=20 Beatles permissions??

It cost over $100 million as I=20 remember.

>But I still want an answer If I have an original = sample CD=20 can=B4t I change
>it with someone else who bought an original = sample=20 CD???

No you can't.

>Like you said I buy the permission = but I=20 must be able to sell my permission
>somehow if I want = or??

That's=20 what a "non-transferrable, single-user" license means.

>You = want to be=20 moral about it and realize the clear legal ambiguities of
>the=20 different
>possible ways of aquiring use of these sounds, but you=20 rationalize it by
>telling
>yourself that you wouldn't be = buying=20 these CDs anyway. So having them to
>play around
>and = experiment=20 with and maybe even occassionaly use on an income=20 generating
>project
>isn't really costing the sample makers = any lost=20 profit because you wouldn't
>be buying
>them anyway. All of = a sudden=20 the crime you are committing seems a bit more
>distant.
>You = feel=20 removed from it.
>
>Bottom line of course is that we all = know that=20 if you aren't paying for
>them, then you
>shouldn't be using = them.=20 At all. You don't pay the money, you shouldn't
>be part of=20 the
>party. Anyway, I don't have any real point to get at here; = I'm=20 just
commenting
>on the
>moral paradigm I see around me = all the=20 time; which affects me and that
>I am required
>to function = within.=20 And after all is asaid and done, at the end of the
>day, most = everyone I=20 know finds a way to sleep decently at night.

Rationalization is a = beautiful thing!

:-)

However, obviously you have to draw = the line.=20 It isn't a "victimless" crime.
Illegal copying, trading and piracy = radically=20 affects my family and the
musicians who are involved in our projects = (they=20 receive royalties from the
sales), does that make it easier for you = to do the=20 right thing?

As this forum regularly points out, there are lots = of free=20 and legal
alternatives for sounds. They're usually not as good as = commercial=20 libraries,
but you get what you pay for. You don't HAVE to use = illegally=20 pirated
libraries to make a music business for = yourself.

>What if=20 your not professional and not using it on a pro job, but only=20 using
it
>for your own personal non professional projects? And = based on=20 the cost
>to profit ratio you wouldn't normally buy these = CDs.  Of=20 course it is still
>illegal, but is the crime then as = "bad"?

It=20 would be inconsistent for us to allow non-pros to use our samples on=20 an
unlimited basis, while pros had to pay. It would be impossible to=20 track,
since many bedroom productions now go on to be major hits. We = have to=20 keep it
simple.

>If u'r not professionnal, I mean u don't = earn=20 money with u'r music, u can
>do what u want !
>I don't know = any=20 report of any TRIAL against any kind of user.

That's really bad = advice.=20 Individual, non-pro users get in trouble for
illegal copying and = trading all=20 the time. Just because you don't know about
it, doesn't mean that it = doesn't=20 happen regularly. Most people that have
illegal discs will get in = trouble=20 over it, it's usually just a matter of when.

>Did those = companies=20 invest in research to find a solution to not be able
>to copy Cd ? = ...no...

Yael, you are way off base here. You don't know what any = of=20 these companies
are doing. If you read the news, you'll see that = these days=20 every
intellectual property owner who is distributing on CDs/DVDs is = working=20 on
non-copyable CD technology. It is a huge hassle for everyone, but = it=20 is
necessary.

>it's not a Money problem, even 1 $ ... when = u win=20 money u can buy those
>Cd,
>
>if it's an hobby u can = do what u=20 want...

Your opinion, but not the law.

>Here in the UK = licences=20 to play music recordings in public places, and
>places of work are = administered by the PRS (Performing Rights Society)
>who collect = the=20 licence fees and distribute to the copyright holders=20 as
>royalties.

PRS, ACAP and BMI are organizations that = license the=20 performance of
compositions (songwriting). This area of Copyright Law = is=20 wholly separate
from the Sound Recording copyright. As such, our = samples are=20 not covered
under any agreements with any of these organizations. You = have to=20 buy the
disc (license) from an authorized Spectrasonics dealer or=20 distributor.

>Maybe we could have a group purchase of a studio = and a=20 set of horn players,
>and share all the sounds together via=20 rocket!!!!!!!!

I would highly recommend this experiment. Everyone = involved will have a new
appreciation of what is involved to produce = a usable=20 patch. Brass in
particular is insanely hard.

Whew! Long = post......hope=20 that helps clarify some of these issues.

Best = regards,

Eric=20 Persing
Creative Director
Spectrasonics

-
Sent by the = sgroup=20 mailing list on lists.uunet.ca
For subscription information, send = mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca
= and see=20 http://www.generalconcept= s.com/sgroup/=20 for more information.
 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2E7D1.7FDA76C0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 11 16:32:08 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5700>; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:32:01 -0500 Received: from ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com ([65.24.7.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-5700>; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:31:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (grv230145.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.145]) by ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2BLVjt2010731 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:31:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:32:22 -0500 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <104183174290.20030311163222@columbus.rr.com> To: Roland S-Group Subject: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) In-Reply-To: <000d01c2e7fb$6970c180$32c6580c@epu1> References: <20030311030855.49796.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c2e7fb$6970c180$32c6580c@epu1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Can anyone identify the statute here in the U.S. that applies to this specifically? Most of what I hear has been supplied by the vendors. And I don't think they'd ever encourage resale when they could get new sales. I guess I'm just curious and would like to read for myself. And would this apply to trading sample CD's? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 12 00:57:04 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21210>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:56:57 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21210>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:56:51 -0500 Received: from epu1 (40.new-york-19rh16rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.197.40]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2003031205564711300gh1ate>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:56:47 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c2e85b$4d077ec0$28c5580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: "Roland S-Group" , References: <20030311030855.49796.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> <000d01c2e7fb$6970c180$32c6580c@epu1> <104183174290.20030311163222@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:50:33 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2E831.63680C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2E831.63680C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings All, Well, honestly, I wouldn't want to test the policies enforced by Sample = companies since their license agreements are usually printed inside of = their CD Jackets or given by their customer support staff over the = phone. I agree with those who feel that reselling should be allowed. If = you're not copying the CD and are reselling it, it's as if you're = selling any other piece of gear that you may have in your studio. Since = I'm a poor college student, who can't afford a big time lawyer, I'll = heed Colin Shapiro's advice and die with my sample CDs. The fact that I have a conscious and that reselling sample CDs are = "illegal" makes me mad at the thousands of people who get away with = selling originals (not copies) of expensive sample CDs on eBay, local = music retail, and classified ads daily.=20 On the other hand, there are those innocents (with an extremely limited = budget) who read all of the hyped reviews in Keyboard Magazine and on = company websites, and will buy a sample CD on a less than exploitive = demo (if there's any at all), only to be disappointed on the selection, = sound quality or production, and then have to get stuck with the fact = that they spent hundreds of dollars on a CD(s) that could be practically = useless. While I agree with sample manufacturers' policies, it's this = extreme anxiousness, skepticism and cautiousness from buyers that make = Sample manufactures lose lots of money as well. Later, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gaffa To: Roland S-Group Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) >=20 > Can anyone identify the statute here in the U.S. that applies > to this specifically? Most of what I hear has been supplied by > the vendors. And I don't think they'd ever encourage resale when > they could get new sales. I guess I'm just curious and would like > to read for myself. And would this apply to trading sample CD's? >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2E831.63680C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings All,
 
Well, honestly, I wouldn't want to test = the=20 policies enforced by Sample companies since their license agreements are = usually=20 printed inside of their CD Jackets or given by their customer support = staff over=20 the phone. I agree with those who feel that reselling should be allowed. = If=20 you're not copying the CD and are reselling it, it's as if you're = selling any=20 other piece of gear that you may have in your studio. Since I'm a poor = college=20 student, who can't afford a big time lawyer, I'll heed Colin Shapiro's = advice=20 and die with my sample CDs.
 
The fact that I have a conscious and = that reselling=20 sample CDs are "illegal" makes me mad at the thousands of people who get = away=20 with selling originals (not copies) of expensive sample CDs on  = eBay, local=20 music retail, and classified ads daily.
 
On the other hand, there are those = innocents (with=20 an extremely limited budget) who read all of the hyped reviews in = Keyboard=20 Magazine and on company websites, and will buy a sample CD on a = less than=20 exploitive demo (if there's any at all), only to be disappointed on the=20 selection, sound quality or production, and then have to get stuck with = the fact=20 that they spent hundreds of dollars on a CD(s) that could be practically = useless. While I agree with sample manufacturers' policies, it's this = extreme=20 anxiousness, skepticism and cautiousness from buyers that make Sample=20 manufactures lose lots of money as well.
 
Later,
Harold
 
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> Can anyone = identify the=20 statute here in the U.S. that applies
> to this = specifically?  Most=20 of what I hear has been supplied by
> the vendors.  And I = don't think=20 they'd ever encourage resale when
> they could get new = sales.  I=20 guess I'm just curious and would like
> to read for myself.  = And=20 would this apply to trading sample CD's?
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> ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2E831.63680C40-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 12 01:11:57 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:11:49 -0500 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.157]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:11:42 -0500 Received: from pool0210.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.250.210] helo=hoffman) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18szSj-0004S0-00; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:11:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c2e85e$46947720$d2fab3d1@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: , "Colin Shapiro" References: <20030311030855.49796.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:10:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >What if your not professional and not using it on a pro job, but only using it >for your own personal non professional projects? And based on the cost >to profit ratio you wouldn't normally buy these CDs. Of course it is still >illegal, but is the crime then as "bad"? As an engineer, most of what I know, come from skills that I learned on pirated/second hand software - starting with Dbase (which was stolen from JPL) and ALDS (assembler from Microsoft that was stolen). I now work at companies using these skills with software tools that are bought and paid for now by thecompanies I work for. And, I might add - paid for through the nose. I would hate to tell some young kid who want to get into such a livelyhood that he better pay the $1000 for VisualStudio, in order to develop his chops, just find out like I did, what this programming stuff was all about. I feel you definitely should pay for the tools you use when you are using them professionally. I also feel strongly that If one trades CD's with friends, that you shouldn't trade with someone that plans to sell them to the public. I think you can draw that crooked line in the sand. It may not be politically correct, but at least a policy should deal with the real world of piracy that will continue to go on. There will always be the hobbyist, who isn't in the business that wants to hear what is going on, but doesn't want to shell over thousands for the priviledge to listen in. That person probably already has taken a hose, of thousands, for his depreciating synth axes. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Shapiro To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) >--- "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > > >> Just so you all know, I placed an order for the Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 >> CD. I should receive it this coming Wednesday. I'll test it out and post a >> review here. If I like the sample CD that much, I may put my Quantum Leap > > Guitars & Bass Roland formatted sample CD on Ebay for $125. omz replied: >i thought sample cd's were not resellable??? Certainly that's the case with Spectrasonics - I don't know about Quantum leap. I've posted about this on many occasions, but people seem to conveniently forget this. Here's what I wrote on 09/04/2002 Funny enough, it was in reply to the same Harold Everton who was expressing interest in trading his old CD's for the very same Quantum Leap disk that he now wants to sell!! Buyer beware...... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - on 09/04/2002 Harold Everton wrote: >I'm pretty tired of my sample CD collection as I have no use for it. I was >wondering if anyone would be interested in trading all of my CDs for a >Quantum Leap Guitar & Bass for Roland. My CDs are: > >* Roland Rhythm Section Instruments Vol. 1 >* Bob Clearmountain Drums >* Roland Preview CD >* Roland Sampling Showcase >* Alesis D5 Drum Module Sample CD >* Zero G Sampling Showcase. > >I'd be willing to trade all of these CDs for just the Quantum Leap Guitar & >Bass CD ROM in Roland format. Please let me know if any of you are >interested. >Thanks, >Harold You should be aware that this is illegal. When you buy a sample CD, you are purchasing an exclusive licence FOR YOURSELF to use the sounds on that CD. The licence is not transferable or resellable. Think about it: You buy a CD You copy it You sell/trade it Now you have 2 CD's but you haven't paid for one of them. Just for interest, I've quoted a mail from Eric Persing (of Spectrasonics) that was posted to the EXS24 group some time back. Regards - Colin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (from Eric Persing) Here's some answers to your questions and comments: (BTW, All of this information is always printed on the OUTSIDE of our packages, so if you don't like these policy, you can return the disc unopened and get a full refund). >I was sure I could buy a Sample CD and sell it if I wanted I didn´t know >I had to die with the Sample Cd in my grave! That's basically it. The license is for a single person. >Of course (if I'm informed correctly) you are allowed to sell or give away >your CDs, but again it's obvious to me that after this you aren't allowed >to use the material any longer by yourself. That's incorrect (see below) >So what happens if let´s say I bought a CD and want to sell it I can´t >do this either?? Correct. For the same reason that you can't "sell" a license of a James Brown recording, even if you bought a license from his record company to use it yourself. You don't own the recordings, so you can't license them or give those rights to someone else. >If I buy a PC game and want to sell it there is nothing illegal about that >so what´s the difference in selling a PC game original or a Sample CD >original?? Big difference...you aren't using the game to create a new game. With Sample CDs, you use the recorded material to create your own music recordings. That's why a license is different than a piece of software. (although you should really check the legalities of trading the PC games, different laws apply to software). >Or if the worst thing happens for example It gets stolen or I die and >someone keeps the Sample CD will someone sue my mum and dad???? No worries, legal action would be taken against the thief, not your mum & dad! >It seems like you third part developers have big problems then because >I´ve seen people all over the world trading CD´s and what about all the Mp 3´s >with samples from Sample Cd´s wich are trade with all the different look >a like Napster programs aren´t all those people about 100 million people trading sounds and samples illegally?? You are correct...this is a major problem for our industry. The changes that have taken place in the last few years are massive. But it is the same old argument that if everyone's doing it, then it must be legal. As Napster will tell you, that just isn't the case. >Sometimes it gets very difficult to know If it´s legal or not at least > people in the west with internet are not always following the rules and >if those 100 millions are doing soemthing illegal why aren´t there people >suing them are they to many to handle??? Certainly, many people do illegal things these days. Lots of lawsuits are happening, but you don't hear about many of them. If you know anyone at a record company, they'll tell you about lots of cases that are going on. It isn't difficult to know the legalities of Sample CD swapping, all of our products come with lots of information in written and audio form explaining what is allowed and what is not. We cannot control if people ignore the laws, but we do go after people who break the law. There exists several organizations that police this activity, and all the developers in the business share info on who's doing what. >Well Spectrasonics please send me a link with laws because it seems a hell >of a lot easier to get hold of Cd´s than knowing the law! Check out the Sound Recording Copyright Act from the US Copyright office. >One question pops up though: >Let's assume I'm doing a remix and there's one single loop in the material >I'm getting, coming from a commercial sample CD. In order to use that single >loop in the remix, will I have to buy the complete CD just because of that? If the original artist has a license, then you are OK to use it only for the remix. If not, you could have legal problems...especially if your remix becomes popular. >The way I'm doing it now is that I streem all tracks from bar 1 to the >end of the song. That doesn't give away the samples, but it gives away the way _I_ used the samples. >I also write on the tracks sheet what samples cd's where used. Nobody could tell me if this is the legal way to do it though... >Maybe somebody from Spectrasonic would comment on this? This is an excellent way of solving the problem -it respects our samples, and allows you to deliver the project to the label. Great! >When someone decided to create a samples CD, he absolutely knows that the >CD can be copied ( of course, or he is from a planet called QWERTY !)... >If I bought a CD I can do what I want with... give it to someone, make >a present, put it in the trash or whatever... It is also very easy to go over the speed limit when you are driving a car, but it doesn't mean that you won't get a ticket! Of course we know that it is easy to copy, but that doesn't mean that we don't care about it, and that we don't prosecute people that abuse the law. >So if I buy the permission I can´t sell it?? >How can Michael Jackson the buy all the Beatles permissions?? It cost over $100 million as I remember. >But I still want an answer If I have an original sample CD can´t I change >it with someone else who bought an original sample CD??? No you can't. >Like you said I buy the permission but I must be able to sell my permission >somehow if I want or?? That's what a "non-transferrable, single-user" license means. >You want to be moral about it and realize the clear legal ambiguities of >the different >possible ways of aquiring use of these sounds, but you rationalize it by >telling >yourself that you wouldn't be buying these CDs anyway. So having them to >play around >and experiment with and maybe even occassionaly use on an income generating >project >isn't really costing the sample makers any lost profit because you wouldn't >be buying >them anyway. All of a sudden the crime you are committing seems a bit more >distant. >You feel removed from it. > >Bottom line of course is that we all know that if you aren't paying for >them, then you >shouldn't be using them. At all. You don't pay the money, you shouldn't >be part of the >party. Anyway, I don't have any real point to get at here; I'm just commenting >on the >moral paradigm I see around me all the time; which affects me and that >I am required >to function within. And after all is asaid and done, at the end of the >day, most everyone I know finds a way to sleep decently at night. Rationalization is a beautiful thing! :-) However, obviously you have to draw the line. It isn't a "victimless" crime. Illegal copying, trading and piracy radically affects my family and the musicians who are involved in our projects (they receive royalties from the sales), does that make it easier for you to do the right thing? As this forum regularly points out, there are lots of free and legal alternatives for sounds. They're usually not as good as commercial libraries, but you get what you pay for. You don't HAVE to use illegally pirated libraries to make a music business for yourself. >What if your not professional and not using it on a pro job, but only using it >for your own personal non professional projects? And based on the cost >to profit ratio you wouldn't normally buy these CDs. Of course it is still >illegal, but is the crime then as "bad"? It would be inconsistent for us to allow non-pros to use our samples on an unlimited basis, while pros had to pay. It would be impossible to track, since many bedroom productions now go on to be major hits. We have to keep it simple. >If u'r not professionnal, I mean u don't earn money with u'r music, u can >do what u want ! >I don't know any report of any TRIAL against any kind of user. That's really bad advice. Individual, non-pro users get in trouble for illegal copying and trading all the time. Just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen regularly. Most people that have illegal discs will get in trouble over it, it's usually just a matter of when. >Did those companies invest in research to find a solution to not be able >to copy Cd ? ...no... Yael, you are way off base here. You don't know what any of these companies are doing. If you read the news, you'll see that these days every intellectual property owner who is distributing on CDs/DVDs is working on non-copyable CD technology. It is a huge hassle for everyone, but it is necessary. >it's not a Money problem, even 1 $ ... when u win money u can buy those >Cd, > >if it's an hobby u can do what u want... Your opinion, but not the law. >Here in the UK licences to play music recordings in public places, and >places of work are administered by the PRS (Performing Rights Society) >who collect the licence fees and distribute to the copyright holders as >royalties. PRS, ACAP and BMI are organizations that license the performance of compositions (songwriting). This area of Copyright Law is wholly separate from the Sound Recording copyright. As such, our samples are not covered under any agreements with any of these organizations. You have to buy the disc (license) from an authorized Spectrasonics dealer or distributor. >Maybe we could have a group purchase of a studio and a set of horn players, >and share all the sounds together via rocket!!!!!!!! I would highly recommend this experiment. Everyone involved will have a new appreciation of what is involved to produce a usable patch. Brass in particular is insanely hard. Whew! Long post......hope that helps clarify some of these issues. Best regards, Eric Persing Creative Director Spectrasonics - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 12 15:22:16 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21210>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:22:07 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21210>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:22:03 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h2CKLs842794 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:21:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mailgate5.cinetic.de ([217.72.192.165]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21210>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:06:02 -0500 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.6/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id h2C85p823040; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:05:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:05:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200303120805.h2C85p823040@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: Franz Stadler To: evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: Re: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > From: "Harold Everton, Jr." > To: > Subject: Re: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:24:09 -0500 > > Hey All, > > Oddly enough, I certainly have all of those CDs to date. Once you buy them, they're yours forever until you die! I called East West and they told me that the CD isn't resellable. So I guess I'm stuck with. It's a great CD, so it's no big deal. > > Later, > Harold > Excuse me, I can't resist. So what is the right procedure if you die ? I guess, these CDs need to be destroyed, right ? The idea you have to keep things you bought is a absolutely new idea looking at the history of men. You find it only in the "Software" area, I think. Companys often try to cut the purchasers rights by printing some interesting terms into the paperwork coming along. In some countries some of these terms even clash with existing laws. The technologies used by this industry do have some drawbacks or missing features. Provided CD-ROM burners it is easy to make copies. As there is no feasible way to prevent the purchaser from taking a copy, this industry trys to solve it by cutting rights, people have been used to for hundreds of years. To enable people to produce new "Software", it is absolutely necessary that they can make enough money with it. No question. CD-ROM burners and Internet are part of the same technology area, though. I don't know how to solve this, but I just wonder if cutting rights will be a long lasting solution. Excuse me once more, but the idea to keep it until you die, even if your sampler has gone but your neighbour's son would have use of it, broke my reluctance. Franz ______________________________________________________________________________ Den Komfort von WEB.DE FreeMail nutzen, aber die alten E-Mail-Adressen nicht aufgeben? Kein Problem: http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021128 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 12 15:55:24 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21210>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:55:16 -0500 Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls1.std.com [199.172.62.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:55:10 -0500 Received: from bbm (w208.z208177251.bos-ma.dsl.cnc.net [208.177.251.208]) by TheWorld.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h2CKt6Z7026328 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:55:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c2e8f3$7b295b00$d0fbb1d0@concentric.net> From: "mbranco" To: References: <200303120805.h2C85p823040@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Subject: Re: Re: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:59:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi all, > The idea you have to keep things you bought is a absolutely new > idea looking at the history of men. I've always strongly believed an equitable solution would: 1. legally allow a CD owner to resell the CD and forfeit the right to still use the samples 2. legally require the buyer of the used CD to pay a nominal fee to the distributor to license the samples How likely would it be that the seller would stop using the samples? I don't know. He'd be obligated to stop using them, though. How likely would it be for the buyer to actually pay the fee to license the samples? I don't know. He'd be obligated to pay the fee, though. To a large extent, the entire CD-sampling industry depends on users' honesty and integrity to follow the rules, which enables the content producers to keep producing. The solution I'm in favor of takes those issues into account. I follow the rules, but I advocate changes that would constitute a more even-handed approach to buying and selling used sample CDs. I have about $9,500 worth of sample CDs, all bought new (legitimately), many of which I'd very much like to be able to sell, and to which I'd happily forfeit usage rights. I'd also like to be able to buy a used, inexpensive copy of a $500-new CD-ROM on ebay for cheap, and then pay to the distributor a nominal fee to license the samples. My devalued peso's worth of opinion. Best regards, Matt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 12 16:52:11 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:52:03 -0500 Received: from fedex.is.co.za ([196.4.160.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:51:57 -0500 Received: from [196.33.195.159] (c2-rba-31.dial-up.net [196.33.195.159]) by fedex.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EA1B87B1 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:51:42 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c2e8f3$7b295b00$d0fbb1d0@concentric.net> References: <200303120805.h2C85p823040@mailgate5.cinetic.de> <000f01c2e8f3$7b295b00$d0fbb1d0@concentric.net> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:51:34 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: Re: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Matt wrote: >I've always strongly believed an equitable solution would: > >1. legally allow a CD owner to resell the CD and forfeit > the right to still use the samples > >2. legally require the buyer of the used CD to pay a > nominal fee to the distributor to license the samples Sure, in an ideal world. The problem with any or all copyright is enforcement and infringement. As you say: >To a large extent, the entire CD-sampling industry depends >on users' honesty and integrity to follow the rules, which >enables the content producers to keep producing. The real problem lies there. If many people keep copies of their sample CD's, then sell them to a 2nd party, they benefit financially but the original creator does not. Eventually, it is no longer financially viable to create these CD's, and everyone loses out. Copyright protects "intellectual property" which is in itself hard to control at the best of times. I wouldn't like people to use my music illegally, without paying licence fees or royalties. Like you, I have an extensive software and sample collection, all fully paid for. It's the least I can do...... Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 12 20:30:10 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:30:01 -0500 Received: from ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com ([65.24.7.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:29:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (grv230145.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.145]) by ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2D1Tpt2016161 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:29:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:29:55 -0500 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 4 (Low) Message-ID: <8783253031.20030312202955@columbus.rr.com> To: Roland S-Group Subject: sgroup Copyright infringement (was:Order Update!) In-Reply-To: References: <200303120805.h2C85p823040@mailgate5.cinetic.de> <000f01c2e8f3$7b295b00$d0fbb1d0@concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk CS> The real problem lies there. If many people keep copies of their CS> sample CD's, then sell them to a 2nd party, they benefit financially CS> but the original creator does not. Eventually, it is no longer CS> financially viable to create these CD's, and everyone loses out. I don't believe this to be true. This is similar to the argument record companies made regarding recording cassette decks. Also, the motion picture industry argued that vcr's would allow rampant copying of material and would result in lost revenue. The truth is, sales, rental, etc increased because of this. Good economics is all about money moving around. If I have CD's I don't use any longer, and I don't have enough money to buy new ones, selling my old ones would allow me to buy new ones. My keeping the CD's on the shelf helps no one. What they're assuming is that they would lose the potential sale to the guy waiting to buy my used CD's. This most likely would only happen if I were to sell a new release which is highly unlikely. At some point, the music industry will have to adjust just like typsetters adjusted when desktop publishing came out, and just like the airline industry is learning now. Learn to embrace you customers and work with them. Typography shops got Macs and told customers, "bring in your Quark files and we'll print them for you!" They quit insisting on controlling everything. Airlines are learning that it's not about how many people you can cram into a tin can. People want to be comfortable. The music industry will learn that they can't control everything we listen too. (Thank goodness for mp3's on the web) And if they price CD's low enough, it's better to buy than to copy! Anyone remember when new movies on vhs cost $70! Now you can get them for $15. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 12 21:53:38 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:53:31 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:53:21 -0500 Received: from epu1 (4.new-york-05rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.168.4]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2003031302531711200mbp5ge>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:53:17 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2e90a$d3d52060$04a8580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup I got it! Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:47:02 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E8E0.EA4F9E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E8E0.EA4F9E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings Everyone, I just received the Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD. A few words - This is = single handedly the best guitar collection out - Period! This in = addition to my Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass CD gives me the most complete = guitar collection out there. The quality of all the guitars on the Hans = Zimmer CD is above average to excellent. Stop letting Club 50 and Roland = CDs paint the image of what sampled guitars should sounds like. The Hans = Zimmer Vol. 1 Version 2 CD is a must have. I'll post a complete review = when I get a chance.=20 Considering the average SRJV or SRX Board costs between $230 - $300, the = $299 cost is fair. Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2E8E0.EA4F9E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings Everyone,
 
I just received the Hans Zimmer Guitars = Vol. 1 CD.=20 A few words - This is single handedly the best guitar collection out - = Period!=20 This in addition to my Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass CD gives me the = most=20 complete guitar collection out there. The quality of all the guitars on = the Hans=20 Zimmer CD is above average to excellent. Stop letting Club 50 and Roland = CDs=20 paint the image of what sampled guitars should sounds like. The Hans = Zimmer Vol.=20 1 Version 2 CD is a must have. I'll post a complete review when I get a = chance.=20
 
Considering the average SRJV or SRX = Board costs=20 between $230 - $300, the $299 cost is fair.
 
Later,
Harold
 
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From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 12 22:28:06 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21211>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:27:58 -0500 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21210>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:27:53 -0500 Received: from Route66Studios@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id 6.68.2e3104a2 (15889) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.134]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v92.17) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e113e6ffab684; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:27:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:27:50 -0500 From: Route66Studios@aol.com To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Copyright infringement this is getting lame MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2838532D.5BF94213.42F455C2@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk We should consider changing the name of this group to somthing like: Elecrtonic Media legal matters or Media copyrights and you. Rich > CS> The real problem lies there. If many people keep copies of their > CS> sample CD's, then sell them to a 2nd party, they benefit financially > CS> but the original creator does not. Eventually, it is no longer > CS> financially viable to create these CD's, and everyone loses out. > > I don't believe this to be true. This is similar to the argument > record companies made regarding recording cassette decks. Also, > the motion picture industry argued that vcr's would allow rampant > copying of material and would result in lost revenue. The truth > is, sales, rental, etc increased because of this. Good economics > is all about money moving around. If I have CD's I don't use any > longer, and I don't have enough money to buy new ones, selling my > old ones would allow me to buy new ones. My keeping the CD's on > the shelf helps no one. What they're assuming is that they would > lose the potential sale to the guy waiting to buy my used CD's. > This most likely would only happen if I were to sell a new release > which is highly unlikely. > > At some point, the music industry will have to adjust just like > typsetters adjusted when desktop publishing came out, and just > like the airline industry is learning now. Learn to embrace you > customers and work with them. Typography shops got Macs and told > customers, "bring in your Quark files and we'll print them for > you!" They quit insisting on controlling everything. Airlines > are learning that it's not about how many people you can cram > into a tin can. People want to be comfortable. The music > industry will learn that they can't control everything we listen > too. (Thank goodness for mp3's on the web) And if they price CD's > low enough, it's better to buy than to copy! Anyone remember > when new movies on vhs cost $70! Now you can get them for $15. > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more > information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 04:30:45 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:30:36 -0500 Received: from webmail.speakeasy.net (webmail2.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.82]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:30:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 32672 invoked by uid 99); 13 Mar 2003 09:30:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20030313093023.32671.qmail@webmail.speakeasy.net> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:30:23 -0500 From: greywalk@speakeasy.net To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup My Final Answer and Hopefully a Challenge to you List Dependents..... X-Sender: greywalk@speakeasy.net X-Originating-Ip: [adsl-65-71-64-130.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] X-Mailer: Speakeasy Network Webmail 2.1.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold, I have had enough... I have been a member of this group for over 10 years. i rarely comment because important questions are answered (repeatedly i might add) by those who are really knowledgeable and willing to help. Your commentary is a self-deprecating stab at stardom when after a year of talking trash about your greatness you have yet to produce. Listen folks... if you are looking at the 700 series as a sampler for current samples.... GET REAL. BUY NEW HARDWARE. Those of us who still use it 10 YEARS past its prime respect it for its velocity curve and it's DIRECT SAMPLING APPLICATION. if you are looking for another cd-rom based additive SOUND MODULE SOURCE... please.... look at something less costly and more time/technology efficient. Internal Hardware samplers do MORE than the 760. For me... the 760 is the final stop before the digital laptop revolution adding a sense of warmthness and individuality to its samples that is noticeable compared to the digitally mastered hardware samples. respect this ancient leviathian for its greatness.... not its compatiblity with modern synthesis. Our last frontiers rely on Recycle and "possibly" the newer chickensys developments for burning our own samples to cd-rom. however.. i rely on neither.... i will either update beyond recycle or i wont.... we already lost scsi transfer. akai samples do not load as FULLY complete as roland genres. get used to it. the Roland orchestral disks are stand alone DIFFERENT compared to other modern samplers even today. John Williams used 8 of these bad mamba jambas (s760s) in conjunction to RECORD his stuff up until the late 90's. do you think HE was using sample disks when he had a full orchestra at his disposal? I grew up with an S550. I met my partner as a result of my sampling technology. Both he and I understood then as we understand now that the 700 series is a "style", a choice, a necessity. This decision is based on its ability as a programmer, a producer, a live SAMPLER..... not a loader of prescribed disks outdated by 10 years at least..... Please.... Save your sample cd appraisals....... This forum was built for the programmers, the editors, the samplers, the musicians........ Make it happen. Find the right personnel for your sound or accept the norm. Dont load us down thinking that a forum still exists for an out of date sampler because they still make cd-roms for it or that are compatible. Try to figure out why after 10 years DURING this technological revolution, the 760 still has a place in modern music. It aint because of sample cd's.... And please.... do me a favor.... save us all the email space by NOT posting your apologies. I'm tired of the "holier than thou because you own a 700 series" attitude. Explore the 760 as an INSTRUMENT... learn its boundaries and advantages. challenge yourself.... not the patience of those of us (or this list) willing to help expand your exploration. I've said enough. I almost hope I can get kicked off this list by this post. I've had enough of the inane self-promoting. Harold.... meet some real guitarists..... They are better and more REAL if you're trying to emulate old prince anyway..... I've said enough. If you have to trash talk... without wasting the time of the other real users on this list...... please direct your angst at my personal address: greywalker72@yahoo.com. save the list from your inane commentary about current copyright LAW policies.... yes i agree it sux... but thats the world you live in... save your speculation.... we have dealt with the copyright policy laws every three or four months for the last 3 YEARS ALONE.... check the archives...... SAVE this forum as your escape for programming/DIRECT sampling and newbies who havent seen the light as to why this forum still exists..... And after this rave.... i shall remain silent (except for personal responses to pertinent questions.....) Keep hope alive.... the 760 is a monster lurking in the deep... explore it to exploit its true powers.... modern samplers can only hope to match it... the only difference in application is time and patience...... Sikes (the outlaw and your perogative.......) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 06:29:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:29:45 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:29:29 -0500 Received: from epu1 (186.new-york-19rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.196.186]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2003031311292211200mbkmue>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:29:22 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c2e952$ebe5ef20$bac4580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , References: <20030313093023.32671.qmail@webmail.speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: sgroup My Final Answer and Hopefully a Challenge to you List Dependents..... Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:23:06 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2E929.024FA460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2E929.024FA460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, I'm not sure about which trash talk you're referring to, but people = bought their samplers for different reasons. I've been producing stuff = for years without the aid of a rackmount dedicated sampler and bought my = sampler out of being tired of the lackluster sounds that other modules = on the market produced, and dealing with non-dependable musicians. After = spending a respectable amount of money on this sampler and it's = respective libraries, I'm comfortable with my investment. Not everyone = uses their sampler for direct programming. The years of sample CD = reviews in Keyboard Magazine, Sound on Sound, and their direct praise = for the S760s sound, filters, and use of a sound module affected my = purchase. I subscribed to this group to talk to people about my sampler, = compare their applications of it, and to get some insight about it, = libraries that can be used with and any other useful information that I = could gather from long time users. That I've got, and this list is open for any discussion related to or = concerning the S760 - So what's the problem? As far as what I have "yet" = to produce - None of you know me personally, so anyone here can infer = what they want - It has no bearing on who I really am and what I've = accomplished. Later, Harold P.S. - Francois, look forward to review of the Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol. = 1 CD in Roland format. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: sgroup My Final Answer and Hopefully a Challenge to you List = Dependents..... >=20 > Harold, >=20 > I have had enough... I have been a member of this group for over 10 = years. i rarely comment because important questions are answered = (repeatedly i might add) by those who are really knowledgeable and = willing to help. >=20 > Your commentary is a self-deprecating stab at stardom when after a = year of talking trash about your greatness you have yet to produce. >=20 > Listen folks... if you are looking at the 700 series as a sampler for = current samples.... GET REAL. BUY NEW HARDWARE. Those of us who still = use it 10 YEARS past its prime respect it for its velocity curve and = it's DIRECT SAMPLING APPLICATION. >=20 > if you are looking for another cd-rom based additive SOUND MODULE = SOURCE... please.... look at something less costly and more = time/technology efficient. Internal Hardware samplers do MORE than the = 760. >=20 > For me... the 760 is the final stop before the digital laptop = revolution adding a sense of warmthness and individuality to its samples = that is noticeable compared to the digitally mastered hardware samples. = respect this ancient leviathian for its greatness.... not its = compatiblity with modern synthesis. Our last frontiers rely on Recycle = and "possibly" the newer chickensys developments for burning our own = samples to cd-rom. >=20 > however.. i rely on neither.... i will either update beyond recycle or = i wont.... we already lost scsi transfer. akai samples do not load as = FULLY complete as roland genres. get used to it. >=20 > the Roland orchestral disks are stand alone DIFFERENT compared to = other modern samplers even today. John Williams used 8 of these bad = mamba jambas (s760s) in conjunction to RECORD his stuff up until the = late 90's. do you think HE was using sample disks when he had a full = orchestra at his disposal? >=20 > I grew up with an S550. I met my partner as a result of my sampling = technology. Both he and I understood then as we understand now that the = 700 series is a "style", a choice, a necessity. This decision is based = on its ability as a programmer, a producer, a live SAMPLER..... not a = loader of prescribed disks outdated by 10 years at least..... >=20 > Please.... Save your sample cd appraisals....... >=20 > This forum was built for the programmers, the editors, the samplers, = the musicians........ >=20 > Make it happen. Find the right personnel for your sound or accept the = norm. Dont load us down thinking that a forum still exists for an out of = date sampler because they still make cd-roms for it or that are = compatible. Try to figure out why after 10 years DURING this = technological revolution, the 760 still has a place in modern music.=20 >=20 > It aint because of sample cd's.... >=20 > And please.... do me a favor.... save us all the email space by NOT = posting your apologies. I'm tired of the "holier than thou because you = own a 700 series" attitude. Explore the 760 as an INSTRUMENT... learn = its boundaries and advantages. challenge yourself.... not the patience = of those of us (or this list) willing to help expand your exploration. >=20 > I've said enough. I almost hope I can get kicked off this list by this = post. I've had enough of the inane self-promoting. >=20 > Harold.... meet some real guitarists..... They are better and more = REAL if you're trying to emulate old prince anyway..... >=20 > I've said enough. If you have to trash talk... without wasting the = time of the other real users on this list...... please direct your angst = at my personal address: greywalker72@yahoo.com. >=20 > save the list from your inane commentary about current copyright LAW = policies.... yes i agree it sux... but thats the world you live in... = save your speculation.... we have dealt with the copyright policy laws = every three or four months for the last 3 YEARS ALONE.... check the = archives...... >=20 > SAVE this forum as your escape for programming/DIRECT sampling and = newbies who havent seen the light as to why this forum still exists..... >=20 > And after this rave.... i shall remain silent (except for personal = responses to pertinent questions.....) >=20 > Keep hope alive.... the 760 is a monster lurking in the deep... = explore it to exploit its true powers.... modern samplers can only hope = to match it... the only difference in application is time and = patience...... >=20 > Sikes (the outlaw and your perogative.......) >=20 >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2E929.024FA460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
I'm not sure about which trash talk = you're=20 referring to, but people bought their samplers for different reasons. = I've been=20 producing stuff for years without the aid of a rackmount dedicated = sampler and=20 bought my sampler out of being tired of the lackluster sounds that other = modules=20 on the market produced, and dealing with non-dependable musicians. After = spending a respectable amount of money on this sampler and it's = respective=20 libraries, I'm comfortable with my investment. Not everyone uses their = sampler=20 for direct programming. The years of sample CD reviews in Keyboard = Magazine,=20 Sound on Sound, and their direct praise for the S760s sound, filters, = and use of=20 a sound module affected my purchase. I subscribed to this group to talk = to=20 people about my sampler, compare their applications of it, and to get = some=20 insight about it, libraries that can be used with and any other useful=20 information that I could gather from long time users.
 
That I've got, and this list is open = for any=20 discussion related to or concerning the S760 - So what's the problem? As = far as=20 what I have "yet" to produce - None of you know me personally, so anyone = here=20 can infer what they want - It has no bearing on who I really am and what = I've=20 accomplished.
 
Later,
Harold
 
P.S. - Francois, look forward = to review of the=20 Hans Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD in Roland format.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: <greywalk@speakeasy.net>
To: <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:30 = AM
Subject: sgroup My Final Answer and = Hopefully a=20 Challenge to you List Dependents.....

>
> Harold,
> =
> I=20 have had enough... I have been a member of this group for over 10 years. = i=20 rarely comment because important questions are answered (repeatedly i = might add)=20 by those who are really knowledgeable and willing to help.
> =
> Your=20 commentary is a self-deprecating stab at stardom when after a year of = talking=20 trash about your greatness you have yet to produce.
>
> = Listen=20 folks... if you are looking at the 700 series as a sampler for current=20 samples.... GET REAL. BUY NEW HARDWARE. Those of us who still use it 10 = YEARS=20 past its prime respect it for its velocity curve and it's DIRECT = SAMPLING=20 APPLICATION.
>
> if you are looking for another cd-rom = based=20 additive SOUND MODULE SOURCE... please.... look at something less costly = and=20 more time/technology efficient. Internal Hardware samplers do MORE than = the=20 760.
>
> For me... the 760 is the final stop before the = digital=20 laptop revolution adding a sense of warmthness and individuality to its = samples=20 that is noticeable compared to the digitally mastered hardware samples. = respect=20 this ancient leviathian for its greatness.... not its compatiblity with = modern=20 synthesis. Our last frontiers rely on Recycle and "possibly" the newer=20 chickensys developments for burning our own samples to cd-rom.
> =
>=20 however.. i rely on neither.... i will either update beyond recycle or i = wont.... we already lost scsi transfer. akai samples do not load as = FULLY=20 complete as roland genres. get used to it.
>
> the Roland=20 orchestral disks are stand alone DIFFERENT compared to other modern = samplers=20 even today. John Williams used 8 of these bad mamba jambas (s760s) in=20 conjunction to RECORD his stuff up until the late 90's. do you think HE = was=20 using sample disks when he had a full orchestra at his disposal?
> =
> I grew up with an S550. I met my partner as a result of my = sampling=20 technology. Both he and I understood then as we understand now that the = 700=20 series is a "style", a choice, a necessity. This decision is based on = its=20 ability as a programmer, a producer, a live SAMPLER..... not a loader of = prescribed disks outdated by 10 years at least.....
>
> = Please....=20 Save your sample cd appraisals.......
>
> This forum was = built for=20 the programmers, the editors, the samplers, the = musicians........
>=20
> Make it happen. Find the right personnel for your sound or = accept the=20 norm. Dont load us down thinking that a forum still exists for an out of = date=20 sampler because they still make cd-roms for it or that are compatible. = Try to=20 figure out why after 10 years DURING this technological revolution, the = 760=20 still has a place in modern music.
>
> It aint because of = sample=20 cd's....
>
> And please.... do me a favor.... save us all = the email=20 space by NOT posting your apologies. I'm tired of the "holier than thou = because=20 you own a 700 series" attitude. Explore the 760 as an INSTRUMENT... = learn its=20 boundaries and advantages. challenge yourself.... not the patience of = those of=20 us (or this list) willing to help expand your exploration.
> =
> I've=20 said enough. I almost hope I can get kicked off this list by this post. = I've had=20 enough of the inane self-promoting.
>
> Harold.... meet = some real=20 guitarists..... They are better and more REAL if you're trying to = emulate old=20 prince anyway.....
>
> I've said enough. If you have to = trash=20 talk... without wasting the time of the other real users on this = list......=20 please direct your angst at my personal address: greywalker72@yahoo.com.
>= ;=20
> save the list from your inane commentary about current = copyright LAW=20 policies.... yes i agree it sux... but thats the world you live in... = save your=20 speculation.... we have dealt with the copyright policy laws every three = or four=20 months for the last 3 YEARS ALONE.... check the archives......
> =
>=20 SAVE this forum as your escape for programming/DIRECT sampling and = newbies who=20 havent seen the light as to why this forum still exists.....
> =
>=20 And after this rave.... i shall remain silent (except for personal = responses to=20 pertinent questions.....)
>
> Keep hope alive.... the 760 = is a=20 monster lurking in the deep... explore it to exploit its true powers.... = modern=20 samplers can only hope to match it... the only difference in application = is time=20 and patience......
>
> Sikes (the outlaw and your=20 perogative.......)
>
>
>
> -
> Sent by = the=20 sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca
> For subscription = information, send=20 mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca
= > and=20 see http://www.generalconcept= s.com/sgroup/=20 for more information.
>
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From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 06:30:00 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:29:51 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:29:48 -0500 Received: from [80.46.170.178] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18tQu9-0006yo-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:29:45 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup Rants and raves Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:32:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Reading comments ranting about Harold's postings annoyed me. As far as I know, this is a public list which purpose is to discuss matters about Roland samplers. Although I can see your point regarding the use of the sampler and the interest of using it to the maximum of its ability, disregarding sample cds altogether is simply not an option for most of us. Let's consider brass. Am I to book a session player, sample each note of his instrument and create Roland S-760 performances? Surely not. And if I use my keyboards to sample brass sounds, am I going to get a result that sounds realistic? Not with my current gear anyway. So the fact that the Roland library has a brass cd simplifies things no end, not to mention the immediate aspect of using those brass straight away instead of spending I don't know how long trying to get the sound required. Yes, reducing the S-760 and other models to a sample replay machine is not what it's all about and yes, software samplers are much better at doing that. As for Harold's comments about such and such sample cd collection, I must admit that I read some and pass on others. One thing I believe though is that he's doing it because he thinks that other members of this group may find his reviews useful. That's good enough for me regardless of what I think of the content itself. If you're not happy getting Harold's posts then surely you can filter his address with your emailer. Another point you mention is checking the archives before posting, comment you made in relation with the copyrights topic discussed recently. Yes, some answers are in the archive although it's not always easy to get what you're after, not to mention time-consuming as well. And I know because I did a lot of that when putting my S-760 website together. Not everyone has been a member as long as you have, and it's quite normal for newer members to ask questions that have been dealt with in the past. I've been a member of the E-Mu list since 1996 myself and I see the same topics time and time again but I never send an email to the 'offender' telling him to check the archive or get lost. At best I reply, at worst I simply ignore it. The simple fact of the matter is that all mailing lists will contain posts that are not interesting or relevant to you. So long as the volume of messages received is not that great, then it takes a few seconds to delete these. And if the list has a huge amount of traffic then you can usually get a digest. Finally, the thing that annoyed me most is that I can't recall any posting from you to share any of the experience you say you have (although I'll hold my hand up for not checking the archive). Have you thought about not just lurking but enlightening us with your knowledge of the S-760? How about creating a small tutorial detailing how you sampled a particular instrument and then how you processed it? Surely this would be more constructive than flaming other members would it not? Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 10:03:40 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:03:32 -0500 Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:03:26 -0500 Received: from rickearn ([151.201.236.199]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030313150316.RLPH3697.out003.verizon.net@rickearn> for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:03:16 -0600 Message-ID: <002a01c2e989$760007a0$641dfea9@rickearn> From: "Richard Earnhardt" To: "Sgroup" References: Subject: Re: sgroup Rants and raves Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:52:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Richard Earnhardt" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [151.201.236.199] at Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:03:16 -0600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have to back up Francois here. In the spirit of his own suggestion, all of this argument over the past several days has been deleted by me. When a true question gets answered, I archive it in a folder on my machine. That's useful to me. I haven't been a member for even a year yet, but I've been in sampling since the S-50 came out. When I bought an S-550 and had questions, I was reserved about asking the list - but when I did, I found nothing but courteous and truely helpful answers. This in turn, made me feel compelled to take a more active role in the list...so when I could delete a stupid question - I answer it. I've even offered up some of the sample work I do and there were some takers - it feels good to belong to such a community, especially after being in the dark for so long. "What does a sampler do again?" HAHA That is what makes a newsgroup work. This useless banter about who said what and the further insults proffered by "Sikes" speak volumes about peoples' attitudes, but is a waste of the lists functionality. Harold, I for one, never read your reviews - but I would like to thank you for the time and effort you obviously put into them, and I would imagine there ARE people who find them quite interesting and helpful. And I'm not trying to stifle anyone from posting a complaint - but insults? Come on - totally unnecessary! As far as what Mr. Everton has ever produced - please. Music is for the masses. General Midi wasn't invented because you had to be a technician to make music. It was because some people didn't WANT to be technicians. My point is - live and let live. One of my favorite sayings - It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought and idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt. Something to think about. I'm relatively sure you won't. Rick Earnhardt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: sgroup Rants and raves > > Reading comments ranting about Harold's postings annoyed me. > > As far as I know, this is a public list which purpose is to discuss matters > about Roland samplers. Although I can see your point regarding the use of > the sampler and the interest of using it to the maximum of its ability, > disregarding sample cds altogether is simply not an option for most of us. > > Let's consider brass. Am I to book a session player, sample each note of his > instrument and create Roland S-760 performances? Surely not. And if I use my > keyboards to sample brass sounds, am I going to get a result that sounds > realistic? Not with my current gear anyway. So the fact that the Roland > library has a brass cd simplifies things no end, not to mention the > immediate aspect of using those brass straight away instead of spending I > don't know how long trying to get the sound required. > > Yes, reducing the S-760 and other models to a sample replay machine is not > what it's all about and yes, software samplers are much better at doing > that. > > As for Harold's comments about such and such sample cd collection, I must > admit that I read some and pass on others. One thing I believe though is > that he's doing it because he thinks that other members of this group may > find his reviews useful. That's good enough for me regardless of what I > think of the content itself. If you're not happy getting Harold's posts then > surely you can filter his address with your emailer. > > Another point you mention is checking the archives before posting, comment > you made in relation with the copyrights topic discussed recently. Yes, some > answers are in the archive although it's not always easy to get what you're > after, not to mention time-consuming as well. And I know because I did a lot > of that when putting my S-760 website together. Not everyone has been a > member as long as you have, and it's quite normal for newer members to ask > questions that have been dealt with in the past. I've been a member of the > E-Mu list since 1996 myself and I see the same topics time and time again > but I never send an email to the 'offender' telling him to check the archive > or get lost. At best I reply, at worst I simply ignore it. The simple fact > of the matter is that all mailing lists will contain posts that are not > interesting or relevant to you. So long as the volume of messages received > is not that great, then it takes a few seconds to delete these. And if the > list has a huge amount of traffic then you can usually get a digest. > > Finally, the thing that annoyed me most is that I can't recall any posting > from you to share any of the experience you say you have (although I'll hold > my hand up for not checking the archive). Have you thought about not just > lurking but enlightening us with your knowledge of the S-760? How about > creating a small tutorial detailing how you sampled a particular instrument > and then how you processed it? > > Surely this would be more constructive than flaming other members would it > not? > > > Francois > > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 10:23:49 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:23:43 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:23:29 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:21:57 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C176F@MB-BP-07> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup S760 clicks and pops Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:23:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Recall a few weeks ago there was some discussion of samples from Roland CDs causing clicks and pops when played back by the 760. Several in the group (me included) suggested truncating the samples etc. Last night it happened to me with a Rhodes sample (73/b) from Keys of the 60's and 70's V2. First time, and it does not occur every time I play it. I'll keep my eyes on it and see if I can learn anything else. L8tr Ralph (I personally found the copyright info enlightening - thanks) - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 11:08:23 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:08:17 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f108.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.108]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:08:10 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:08:02 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.105 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:08:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.105] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Rants and raves Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:08:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 16:08:02.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[B98FDBD0:01C2E97A] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Cheers, Rick... I echo your sentiments. I archive also, and along with the sgroup archives, I've learned a lot about my S-550 (which I love, even though it's a tad noisy at high gains through my 1202VLZ... ;-)) >From: "Richard Earnhardt" >To: "Sgroup" >Subject: Re: sgroup Rants and raves >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:52:36 -0500 > >I have to back up Francois here. In the spirit of his own suggestion, all >of this argument over the past several days has been deleted by me. When a >true question gets answered, I archive it in a folder on my machine. >That's >useful to me. I haven't been a member for even a year yet, but I've been >in >sampling since the S-50 came out. When I bought an S-550 and had >questions, >I was reserved about asking the list - but when I did, I found nothing but >courteous and truely helpful answers. This in turn, made me feel compelled >to take a more active role in the list...so when I could delete a stupid >question - I answer it. I've even offered up some of the sample work I do >and there were some takers - it feels good to belong to such a community, >especially after being in the dark for so long. "What does a sampler do >again?" HAHA > >That is what makes a newsgroup work. This useless banter about who said >what and the further insults proffered by "Sikes" speak volumes about >peoples' attitudes, but is a waste of the lists functionality. Harold, I >for one, never read your reviews - but I would like to thank you for the >time and effort you obviously put into them, and I would imagine there ARE >people who find them quite interesting and helpful. And I'm not trying to >stifle anyone from posting a complaint - but insults? Come on - totally >unnecessary! > >As far as what Mr. Everton has ever produced - please. Music is for the >masses. General Midi wasn't invented because you had to be a technician to >make music. It was because some people didn't WANT to be technicians. My >point is - live and let live. > >One of my favorite sayings - It's better to keep your mouth shut and be >thought and idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt. Something to >think >about. I'm relatively sure you won't. > > >Rick Earnhardt > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Francois Rossi" >To: "Sgroup" >Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:32 AM >Subject: sgroup Rants and raves > > > > > > Reading comments ranting about Harold's postings annoyed me. > > > > As far as I know, this is a public list which purpose is to discuss >matters > > about Roland samplers. Although I can see your point regarding the use >of > > the sampler and the interest of using it to the maximum of its ability, > > disregarding sample cds altogether is simply not an option for most of >us. > > > > Let's consider brass. Am I to book a session player, sample each note of >his > > instrument and create Roland S-760 performances? Surely not. And if I >use >my > > keyboards to sample brass sounds, am I going to get a result that sounds > > realistic? Not with my current gear anyway. So the fact that the Roland > > library has a brass cd simplifies things no end, not to mention the > > immediate aspect of using those brass straight away instead of spending >I > > don't know how long trying to get the sound required. > > > > Yes, reducing the S-760 and other models to a sample replay machine is >not > > what it's all about and yes, software samplers are much better at doing > > that. > > > > As for Harold's comments about such and such sample cd collection, I >must > > admit that I read some and pass on others. One thing I believe though is > > that he's doing it because he thinks that other members of this group >may > > find his reviews useful. That's good enough for me regardless of what I > > think of the content itself. If you're not happy getting Harold's posts >then > > surely you can filter his address with your emailer. > > > > Another point you mention is checking the archives before posting, >comment > > you made in relation with the copyrights topic discussed recently. Yes, >some > > answers are in the archive although it's not always easy to get what >you're > > after, not to mention time-consuming as well. And I know because I did a >lot > > of that when putting my S-760 website together. Not everyone has been a > > member as long as you have, and it's quite normal for newer members to >ask > > questions that have been dealt with in the past. I've been a member of >the > > E-Mu list since 1996 myself and I see the same topics time and time >again > > but I never send an email to the 'offender' telling him to check the >archive > > or get lost. At best I reply, at worst I simply ignore it. The simple >fact > > of the matter is that all mailing lists will contain posts that are not > > interesting or relevant to you. So long as the volume of messages >received > > is not that great, then it takes a few seconds to delete these. And if >the > > list has a huge amount of traffic then you can usually get a digest. > > > > Finally, the thing that annoyed me most is that I can't recall any >posting > > from you to share any of the experience you say you have (although I'll >hold > > my hand up for not checking the archive). Have you thought about not >just > > lurking but enlightening us with your knowledge of the S-760? How about > > creating a small tutorial detailing how you sampled a particular >instrument > > and then how you processed it? > > > > Surely this would be more constructive than flaming other members would >it > > not? > > > > > > Francois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 11:12:20 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:12:10 -0500 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:12:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18tVJN-0007li-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:12:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.62] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Thu Mar 13 11:12:05 EST 2003 Message-ID: <3302071.1047571925569.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:12:24 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup My Final Answer and Hopefully a Challenge to you List Dependents..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Personally, I like reading Harold's reviews - it's lead to me buying more than one sample CD. Please post your review of Hans Zimmer Guitars as soon as it's ready. Harold has questions as do as the rest of us. This list is an excellent place to get them answered. I have gone through lots of the archive, but there's just way too much out there to go through the whole thing any time I have a simple question someone here can probably answer. I mostly use my S-760 as a sample player. I've got lots of nice sample CDs that meet my needs. These days most of what I have to sample I own - I don't have many friends I do music with who have lots of equipment I don't. I may sample my Alesis SR-16 and then sell it, or I may sample some of the melodic percussion sounds from my SPD-20 so I can play them from a keyboard, but that's more than enough for what I need the 760 for. I've been planning on hooking up the 760 to my TV and getting the odd effect or snipopet here and there (oops, copyrights!!!) but that's very low priority. I'd rather be arranging and recording my songs than sampling. Those of us who use the S-760 mainly for playing sample CDs have just as match right to do so, and to participate in this forum, as those of us who do not, unless of course the sgroup list owner disagrees. Finally, I did lots of my own sampling in the 90s on the S-550, and I've put lots of my samples up on the list web site for everyone to use. Have you? Jesse P.S. The topic of licensing is a valid one. Perhaps we can't change it here today, and we should all agree to follow current licensing laws, but things do change. If sample CD producers feel there are better ways to license and sell their stuff, They'll try them. Maybe someone on this list might introduce an idea that may benefit everyone - who knows? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 12:04:59 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:04:53 -0500 Received: from sirppi.helsinki.fi ([128.214.205.27]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:04:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (piekkala@localhost) by sirppi.helsinki.fi (8.11.6/8.11.4) with ESMTP id h2DH4eA15328 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:04:40 +0200 (EET) X-Authentication-Warning: sirppi.helsinki.fi: piekkala owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:04:39 -0500 From: Jussi Piekkala To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Re: My Final Answer..... In-Reply-To: <3302071.1047571925569.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: References: <3302071.1047571925569.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks to the fact that Harold's reviews are descriptive, I too like reading them. He puts an effort into describing the material, not just echoing his subjective opinion. The debate regarding the mere existence of any copyright / licence rights seems fruitless. That belongs to the FAQ files. But still... - this is also a subject that certainly belongs to the everyday concerns in the world of samplers. ...That's my thoughts - for what ever it is worth. jp ______________________________________________________________________ jussi.piekkala@helsinki.fi >><< tel: 191 22414 fax: 191 23100 http://www.helsinki.fi/~piekkala/ gsm: 050-3389305 Diana: 95022414 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 14:38:57 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:38:50 -0500 Received: from fedex.is.co.za ([196.4.160.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:38:45 -0500 Received: from [196.33.198.167] (c5-rba-167.dial-up.net [196.33.198.167]) by fedex.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB180B8335 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:38:32 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3302071.1047571925569.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:38:23 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Re: My Final Answer..... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >The debate regarding the mere existence of any copyright / licence rights >seems fruitless. That belongs to the FAQ files. But still... - this is >also a subject that certainly belongs to the everyday concerns in the >world of samplers. Hardly fruitless. I think *ANY* topic related to sampling is valid and useful here as many list members own samplers. Anyway, there's a simple solution for posts that you find useless........don't read them! Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 15:08:22 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5288>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:08:16 -0500 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.157]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:08:01 -0500 Received: from pool0615.cvx37-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.26.105] helo=hoffman) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18tYzd-00036n-00; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:07:58 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c2e99c$0750c8e0$c198b2d1@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: , References: <20030313093023.32671.qmail@webmail.speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: sgroup My Final Answer and Hopefully a Challenge to you List Dependents..... Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:05:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold, I was looking foward to your review of Hans Zimmer even though I already have that CD. There may be parts that I overlooked and am always looking for points to enlighten or argue about. That is why we waste our time on these groups to begin with, right?. Any help to sort throught these expensive sound CD's, the better. I read the Keyboard reviews and enjoy them, but sometimes they sound a little promotional like the Roland magazine product reviews. A buyer who has been burned by an expensive CD is a good warning. >Considering the average SRJV or SRX Board costs between $230 - $300, the $299 cost is fair. (I add some more wasted blog space.) I wouldn't compare the rom for synths like the JV1080 with the volume or cost of a CD. Roland has spent some time with sample wave snippets like the attacks for the D50 to offer the best grist for the synthesis mill. I have always promoted the idea that manufacturers should not waste rom space on realistic piano samples to give us the all-purpose machine and use the rom space for more usable wave tidbits. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:30 AM Subject: sgroup My Final Answer and Hopefully a Challenge to you List Dependents..... > > Harold, > > I have had enough... I have been a member of this group for over 10 years. i rarely comment because important questions are answered (repeatedly i might add) by those who are really knowledgeable and willing to help. > > Your commentary is a self-deprecating stab at stardom when after a year of talking trash about your greatness you have yet to produce. > > Listen folks... if you are looking at the 700 series as a sampler for current samples.... GET REAL. BUY NEW HARDWARE. Those of us who still use it 10 YEARS past its prime respect it for its velocity curve and it's DIRECT SAMPLING APPLICATION. > > if you are looking for another cd-rom based additive SOUND MODULE SOURCE... please.... look at something less costly and more time/technology efficient. Internal Hardware samplers do MORE than the 760. > > For me... the 760 is the final stop before the digital laptop revolution adding a sense of warmthness and individuality to its samples that is noticeable compared to the digitally mastered hardware samples. respect this ancient leviathian for its greatness.... not its compatiblity with modern synthesis. Our last frontiers rely on Recycle and "possibly" the newer chickensys developments for burning our own samples to cd-rom. > > however.. i rely on neither.... i will either update beyond recycle or i wont.... we already lost scsi transfer. akai samples do not load as FULLY complete as roland genres. get used to it. > > the Roland orchestral disks are stand alone DIFFERENT compared to other modern samplers even today. John Williams used 8 of these bad mamba jambas (s760s) in conjunction to RECORD his stuff up until the late 90's. do you think HE was using sample disks when he had a full orchestra at his disposal? > > I grew up with an S550. I met my partner as a result of my sampling technology. Both he and I understood then as we understand now that the 700 series is a "style", a choice, a necessity. This decision is based on its ability as a programmer, a producer, a live SAMPLER..... not a loader of prescribed disks outdated by 10 years at least..... > > Please.... Save your sample cd appraisals....... > > This forum was built for the programmers, the editors, the samplers, the musicians........ > > Make it happen. Find the right personnel for your sound or accept the norm. Dont load us down thinking that a forum still exists for an out of date sampler because they still make cd-roms for it or that are compatible. Try to figure out why after 10 years DURING this technological revolution, the 760 still has a place in modern music. > > It aint because of sample cd's.... > > And please.... do me a favor.... save us all the email space by NOT posting your apologies. I'm tired of the "holier than thou because you own a 700 series" attitude. Explore the 760 as an INSTRUMENT... learn its boundaries and advantages. challenge yourself.... not the patience of those of us (or this list) willing to help expand your exploration. > > I've said enough. I almost hope I can get kicked off this list by this post. I've had enough of the inane self-promoting. > > Harold.... meet some real guitarists..... They are better and more REAL if you're trying to emulate old prince anyway..... > > I've said enough. If you have to trash talk... without wasting the time of the other real users on this list...... please direct your angst at my personal address: greywalker72@yahoo.com. > > save the list from your inane commentary about current copyright LAW policies.... yes i agree it sux... but thats the world you live in... save your speculation.... we have dealt with the copyright policy laws every three or four months for the last 3 YEARS ALONE.... check the archives...... > > SAVE this forum as your escape for programming/DIRECT sampling and newbies who havent seen the light as to why this forum still exists..... > > And after this rave.... i shall remain silent (except for personal responses to pertinent questions.....) > > Keep hope alive.... the 760 is a monster lurking in the deep... explore it to exploit its true powers.... modern samplers can only hope to match it... the only difference in application is time and patience...... > > Sikes (the outlaw and your perogative.......) > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 13 21:28:45 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:28:38 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-5287>; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:28:32 -0500 Received: from [80.46.170.178] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18tevu-000PDJ-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 02:28:30 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup Website news and copyright Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:28:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk First, I've put on the website the PDF manual for the OP/760 expansion. Thanks to Stephen Downhill for supplying the material. It is currently a 7Mb download but I'm working on OCR to reduce its size dramatically. It takes time to check, repaginate and prep the final Word version that will create a small look-alike PDF since it will be text based as opposed to graphics-based and time is a rare commodity for me at the moment. On the subject of copyright, and as a former trained lawyer myself spending many hours on intellectual property books (French, UK and European), my take is this. Although it sounds daft to sell software, music cds and sample cds in such a way that you own rights to the medium but only a licence of use for its content, the very nature of intellectual property demanded this scheme at the beginning of IP commercialisation. It was the only practical way you could protect the owner of intellectual property so courts have always been inclined to recognise shrinkwrap licences, with the proviso that you could make a backup copy of the medium itself. The scheme is impossible to police though. If I buy a sample cd from X in spite of any interdiction to do so stated in the original shrinkwrap licence, I still possess an original copy with booklet, case, etc. Who is going to prove that I didn't buy this cd from a shop? It is not a legal obligation to keep receipts. And it is a widely applied principle that, in Western world law, possession is a valid title unless proven otherwise. So regardless of the moral issues at stake, the interdiction of reselling a music cd or sample cd is purely academic since it cannot be enforced in the absence of written documentation proving the sale. What can be proven in court is whether you have an original or pirated copy in your possession. If the latter, then tough, you knew what you risked. This interdiction of resale is also applicable to media containing music if you read the small prints. And yet, how many shops out there sell nothing but used copies? These shops are in malls, on the high street, on the internet... Does anyone prosecute? So why would sample cds be any different? The important difference resides in what you do with them. More on that later. What is also confusing is that you get different ways in which you can buy samples. A sample cd cannot be resold, but a synth containing samples can. And yet, both publisher and synth manufacturer retain the copyright of these samples. Or so it would seem... There was a very interesting case recently in Germany. Various publishers and synth manufacturers took Nice Bytes GmbH to court. Nice Bytes is a company who is selling sample cds of synth sounds. There are 30 odd Akai volumes you can buy containing sample cds of Korg, Yamaha, Roland and others synths. The plaintiffs argued that Nice Bytes was in breach of copyright because they were selling sounds which they, publishers and manufacturers, had copyright over. I'll spare you the legal reasoning but the upshot is that the plaintiffs lost, and Nice Bytes are still selling their wares. Now, we're still at the level of first instance and an appeal was lodged so the case is not over yet. What's interesting here is that what about sample cds? If I load a sample cd in my S-760, then tweak it with TVA/TVF and sample it again with another sampler, am I in breach of copyright or in the same situation as Nice Bytes? I believe the appeal court will have to seriously ponder over the notion of originality of the raw material. The argument gets even more difficult when you include the fact that some sample cds are themselves based on synth sounds that are sampled and tweaked. So perhaps instead of protecting the sample, you should protect the work involved in supplying a finished product. In other words, protect the know-how and not the raw material. To come back on the issue of selling an original sample cd, what troubles me is that you are also reselling intellectual property rights when you're reselling a modern car. Cars nowadays are full of patented gizmos, software programming, etc. The reason why manufacturers are not moaning about the used market is that they know you will have to buy parts to carry on using their cars and have them serviced, hopefully by their dealer network. They also know that if such a resale interdiction existed, they wouldn't sell many new cars since most owners would run them to death before buying a new one. This would lead to high prices and an unworkable economy of scale. So can we draw an analogy between a car and a sample cd. I believe we can. Why would a publisher like Spectrasonics want to forbid the resale of their sample cds? To make sure that you bought one if you intended to use their cds. And that's a fair concern. A bit like the car manufacturer wants you to buy a new car and not a used one because it shifts another unit from the factory. Let's carry on the analogy. You have four different buyers of cars. Rich individuals and companies and poor individuals and companies. The car market is purely running as it is because of the former even though car manufacturers do cater for the entry level buyers. But fleet buyers are the people who can make or break a particular model outside niche markets like Rolls, Ferrari, etc. With sample cds, it's a bit like that. You have professional users and private users. Studios, music producers, etc, make the bulk of sample cds buyers. And like companies, they will be able to include the cost of purchase in their accounts. So private users do bear the raw deal of the resale interdiction. So what would a fair deal be? I propose this: 1) Resale interdiction for professional users whatever the use of the cd, and other users when the samples are used in any commercial venture. Let's regard the sample cd in this situation as a loss for profit. 2) Resale authorisation for private users with interdiction of keeping backups. That way, you clearly define a piracy case. I would even consider putting a time limit on point 2. For example, authorising a private user to resale a sample cd say 2 years after it's been commercialised for the first time. As you can see, I believe you can make a moral case for resale. And this line of argumentation would probably give a court something tangible to consider. If a user was sued for breach of contract because he sold an original sample cds, a judge might well decide that the shrinkwrap licence was unfair in its terms and therefore look at intended use as opposed to licensed use. It wouldn't be the first time that a court decided to declare void particular paragraphs of a contract, and specifically when that contract was passed between a professional and a private individual. Does anyone want to test this in court? ;-) So now for those who are not interested in copyright matters: Do you know that Akai used to sell S-760s? No? Well, they did. But the Akai S-760 was a DVD player... On a final OT note, I tried an Akai Z8 today. The interaction between computer software and hardware sampler is truely beautiful. In terms of usability, I give it thumbs up! I left it in the shop with regret, particularly since the price has now gone down to UK800, and that being before bargaining... I could only marvel at how prices and modern machines are making things easier and easier for hobbyists like me. It doesn't mean I'd part-exchange my S-760 though! Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 14 10:18:31 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193675-22301>; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:18:22 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-22301>; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:18:11 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:17:03 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C177E@MB-BP-07> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup FW: Polyphonic HMI Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:18:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This may not be on topic for samplers, but right on target for musicians. I shudder to think the next version of the software will actually write the tunes...then perform the music... http://www.polyphonichmi.com/ -----Original Message----- FYI.... Computer Hits When a news release arrived announcing that a company in Barcelona, Spain, had developed an artificial intelligence application that could analyze a song and determine its potential to become a hit, it seemed to be a practical joke poking fun at the desperation and cluelessness of the music business. But I regret to inform you that further research has determined that not only does this company, Polyphonic HMI, seem to exist, but there are already several major labels - Sony Music, RCA, and Universal UK - that are either using it or considering the option. Among its advocates is Muff Winwood, the former Spencer Davis Group bassist who is now an executive at Sony. Tracie Reed, the vice president of the North American office of Polyphonic, said that the application, called Hit Song Science, was originally developed by Grupo AIA, a Spanish artificial-intelligence company. It analyzes the melody, beat, harmony, pitch, octave, timbre and other patterns in songs, and plots them on a chart that Ms. Reed said looked something like the Milky Way. Songs with similar elements tended to group together in clusters, she said. One original idea for its use was to offer CD shoppers recommendations based on their favorite songs. But when executives at the company loaded every song in the Billboard Top 30 over the last five years into the program, they discovered that "lo and behold, they all had something in common," Ms. Reed said. What that something is, she added, is something that human beings cannot quite name but computer programs can recognize. When the company discovered this, it decided to offer record labels the chance to compare unreleased songs to recent hit singles to determine their commercial viability. Ms. Reed said the company had already been paid to analyze unreleased songs by several major labels. She also said the company was offering a similar service to studios, so producers could get feedback on songs they were working on. "We think that Hit Song Science helps raise the bar for music," she said. "We empathize with the people who buy a CD and only like two songs. Let's get better music on more CD's." A music executive who is working with the technology said the program also identified the "gold content" of a song. This is the part that is supposedly the most likable and can be sampled in television commercials, films and other songs. Several musicians and managers, when told about the technology, laughed at a future in which a computer program listened to their songs to determine if they were good enough to be released. Jordan Berliant, a music manager at Tenth Street Entertainment, said, "What creates a hit is that people have an emotional reaction to a song, in particular the lyrics. It's difficult to believe that a machine could gauge that." Jaron Lanier, a computer scientist and musician who coined the term "virtual reality," said that the science side of the application seemed sloppy. "As for the music side of things," he continued, "I doubt pop music could get any worse, so using even a meaningless tool like this might result in some improvement." Ms. Reed replied that the scientists at Grupo AIA were recognized as leaders in artificial intelligence. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 14 13:27:36 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-22302>; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:27:34 -0500 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.164]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-22301>; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:27:18 -0500 Received: from CCartCat@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id 6.146.cce4fa3 (2168) for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: CCartCat@aol.com Message-ID: <146.cce4fa3.2ba378fc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:27:08 -0500 Subject: sgroup [brief sidebar]Buggy fun To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X sub 21 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk [Will plead 5th on recent threads 'cept to say: I've got a W30 and have used both commercial and homebrew sounds in a number of er, um, avocational contexts. Given that even the S-7xx series is a newfangled thing to me and that my other samplers are a Mirage, a SK-1 and some Yamaha kissing cousin of the SK-1, you can see where my interests may lie . . . Arguably, tho, Sgroup is inclusive of my S-series interests and other folks' too. OK--nuff of that.] Buggy fun: have you ever made a mistake several times before figuring out it's really a discovery? Maybe it wasn't a cure for cancer or even a useable trumpet multi-sample, but something funky and fun that will leave the general public shaking its collective head. In the W30, if in the Tone Parameters page you Copy the Tone settings to a Sub Tone_before_selecting an actual tone to use, you get interesting garbage. (In the best of all possible worlds--yes, p'haps even this one--this might be done in the other S-series samplers as well.) I've only done this once so far, but it seems that sections of whatever actual tones exist in memory are played plus transitional bits of digital noise. Your results would likely depend on what sounds you have loaded. Figured anyone interested can get a few smiles/cringes/musical ideas out of this. And possibly load/sample sounds with a chaos strategy in mind. If it's too fuzzy or noisy or harsh, try using the Time Variant Filter to round off a few edges. Another clue: the sound I copied parameters from was fairly long--dunno if you could fake that kind of Tone Loop settings any other way or otherwise create/adjust them. Terra Incognita for you to explore, if you so desire. Of course, save any work-in-progress first in case this causes a crash. And Standard Disclaimer: don't blame me if something blows up. HTH, Kevin Seward - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Mar 14 16:54:52 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-22301>; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:54:45 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-22301>; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:54:39 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h2ELsV784261 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:54:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from mail2.telco4u.net (mail.telco4u.net [195.129.92.20]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-22301>; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:35:47 -0500 Received: (from smtpuser@localhost) by mail2.telco4u.net (Switch-2.0.1/Switch-2.0.1) id h2ELZcL27459 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:35:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: mail2.telco4u.net: smtpuser set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(62.6.116.129), claiming to be "pbncomputer" via SMTP by mail2, id smtpdAAARHaGH1; Fri Mar 14 21:35:28 2003 Message-ID: <000c01c2ea71$96617a90$8174063e@pbncomputer> Reply-To: "Ed" From: "Ed" To: Subject: sgroup s550 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:34:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2EA71.8E5ED9A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2EA71.8E5ED9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi there.. wonder if you're the people to ask... I've got a bunch on = Roland S550 disks & now my Roland is old & tired. Wondering if there's a = way to get the samples into my PC - 1st hurdle is that the disk wont = read (asks to be formatted) Any ideas? thanks Ed ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2EA71.8E5ED9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi there.. wonder if you're the people = to ask...=20 I've got a bunch on Roland S550 disks & now my Roland is old & = tired.=20 Wondering if there's a way to get the samples into my PC - 1st hurdle is = that=20 the disk wont read (asks to be formatted)
 
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From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 15 00:25:30 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21426>; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:25:24 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21425>; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:25:14 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h2F5P8200774 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:25:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp03.web.de [217.72.192.158]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-22302>; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:45:02 -0500 Received: from [80.130.79.33] (helo=spinback) by smtp.web.de with smtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.97 #53) id 18txv3-0004xd-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:44:53 +0100 From: To: Subject: sgroup Wav Samples to S-330 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Group! I hope I am not annoying you because of question, perhaps it has been asked 1000 times before, but I searched the internet for quite a while and did not find anything useful. I own a Roland S-330 Sampler for 2 days now and want to use the .wav samples that are on my pc harddisk in the S-330. Is there any possibility to be able to do this beside recording the samples with the sampler in-build recording/sampling function (I mainly think of putting the samples on a disk that can then be used with the sampler) ? Greetings from Germany, Christoph Merker -- www.spinback.de ICQ#: 69828088 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 15 15:28:31 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-21426>; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:28:23 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl (net90s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-21426>; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:28:12 -0500 Received: from ptr ([195.121.148.164]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:30:21 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c2eb31$e45e37e0$a49479c3@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup Wav Samples to S-330 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:31:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Sure, it can be done: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/6319/Download.htm It also works with the S-330. Note however this program proabably truncates your 16-, 20-, 24- bit samples (or what have you) to 12 bits. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:47 PM Subject: sgroup Wav Samples to S-330 > Hi Group! > I hope I am not annoying you because of question, perhaps it has been asked > 1000 times before, but I searched the internet for quite a while and did not > find anything useful. I own a Roland S-330 Sampler for 2 days now and want > to use the .wav samples that are on my pc harddisk in the S-330. Is there > any possibility to be able to do this beside recording the samples with the > sampler in-build recording/sampling function (I mainly think of putting the > samples on a disk that can then be used with the sampler) ? > Greetings from Germany, > Christoph Merker > -- > www.spinback.de > ICQ#: 69828088 > > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 16 13:50:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-11107>; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:50:30 -0500 Received: from mercury.is.co.za ([196.4.160.222]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-11108>; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:50:24 -0500 Received: from [196.33.246.230] (c9-rba-230.dial-up.net [196.33.246.230]) by mercury.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79455B819F for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:50:10 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001801c2eb31$e45e37e0$a49479c3@ptr> References: <001801c2eb31$e45e37e0$a49479c3@ptr> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:50:02 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Wav Samples to S-330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Sure, it can be done: > >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/6319/Download.htm > >It also works with the S-330. > >Note however this program proabably truncates your 16-, 20-, 24- bit samples >(or what have you) to 12 bits. Why not try to find some App to convert to 12 bit first? Truncation is very nasty at the best of times. Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 16 18:02:12 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-11107>; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:02:04 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl ([194.151.104.151]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-11107>; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:01:58 -0500 Received: from ptr ([195.121.148.247]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:03:54 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01c2ec10$1b617980$f79479c3@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: , "Colin Shapiro" References: <001801c2eb31$e45e37e0$a49479c3@ptr> Subject: Re: sgroup Wav Samples to S-330 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:02:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Sure, don't send 16 bit samples right away. Sorry, I didn't take the time to tell the complete story. I've been looking at this when I found this S-330 utility a while ago, I thought one of those free Maxim-plugins made it possible to convert samples to 12 before sending them over. Most wav-editors can do alike things themselves already, but converting to 12 bit is not always supported, as far as I recall. There are tricks around this of course, but the Maxim-VST-plugin is a more direct route. http://www.mda-vst.com/ then VST-effects. 'Dither' is the one. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Shapiro To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Wav Samples to S-330 > >Sure, it can be done: > > > >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/6319/Download.htm > > > >It also works with the S-330. > > > >Note however this program proabably truncates your 16-, 20-, 24- bit samples > >(or what have you) to 12 bits. > > Why not try to find some App to convert to 12 bit first? Truncation > is very nasty at the best of times. > > Regards - Colin > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 17 14:29:56 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-7666>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:29:49 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-7666>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:29:42 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h2HJTdb94610 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:29:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from hotmail.com (f83.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.83]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-7666>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:16:42 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:16:39 -0800 Received: from 206.207.152.200 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:16:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.207.152.200] From: "Eric Wuest" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Help with Roland S-550 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:16:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2003 17:16:39.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8E4A4B0:01C2ECA8] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Dear sgroup I my name is Eric Wuest and I work for a newly established flight school in Mesa, Arizona. In the last few months I have reassembled 2 A4 jet flight simulators (build 1990) back together that were once used to train Navy pilots. The A4 flight simulator uses a rack mounted Roland S-550 digital sampler that provides the engine and tacan sounds. I do not have a manual for this sampler. And I only have 2 disks that contain the sounds. I would like to know if it is possible to convert the sound files on the disk to a wave format. We will be modernizing one of the Simulators to a visual based PC system in the near future. (using an IBM WINXP-PC). Can you help? Thank you for your time. Sincerely Eric Wuest _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 17 14:48:30 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-7666>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:48:24 -0500 Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-7666>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:48:14 -0500 Received: from rickearn ([151.201.236.194]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030317194808.ROEH3697.out003.verizon.net@rickearn>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:48:08 -0600 Message-ID: <004301c2ecd6$72d65200$641dfea9@rickearn> From: "Richard Earnhardt" To: "Eric Wuest" , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Help with Roland S-550 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:42:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Richard Earnhardt" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [151.201.236.194] at Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:48:08 -0600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Eric, your quickest and least technical solution would probably be to go to radio shack and get the correct adapters to allow you to connect the output of the s-550 to the input of your sound card, set your computer to record using window's sound recorder, set to "CD quality", and trigger the samples from the s-550 so you can record and save to .WAV There are other more involved processes that many people on this list will be more qualified to explain. I'll let them do that if necessary... Good Luck, Rick Earnhardt Steel City Music www.steelcitymusic.tk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Wuest" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: sgroup Help with Roland S-550 > > > > > Dear sgroup > > I my name is Eric Wuest and I work for a newly established flight school in > Mesa, Arizona. > In the last few months I have reassembled 2 A4 jet flight simulators (build > 1990) > back together that were once used to train Navy pilots. > The A4 flight simulator uses a rack mounted Roland S-550 digital sampler > that provides the > engine and tacan sounds. > I do not have a manual for this sampler. And I only have 2 disks that > contain the sounds. > I would like to know if it is possible to convert the sound files on the > disk to a wave format. We > will be modernizing one of the Simulators to a visual based PC system in the > near future. > (using an IBM WINXP-PC). > > > > > Can you help? > > Thank you for your time. > > Sincerely Eric Wuest > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 17 15:35:32 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-7667>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:35:24 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl ([194.151.104.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-7667>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:35:13 -0500 Received: from ptr ([195.121.151.139]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:37:31 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c2ecc4$cf22ba60$8b9779c3@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <004301c2ecd6$72d65200$641dfea9@rickearn> Subject: Re: sgroup Help with Roland S-550 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:34:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk With Sdisk a disk-image can be made and Awave can extract the samples as wav-sounds. Once the diskimage is available I'm sure people can do the Awave-step for you (I will, just send me the diskimages, they'll be one *.out-file for each disk). Sdisk can be found on lots of places, for instance here: http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/utilities/pc/ And there's even a Windows-version: http://w30.frankie.sk/sdiskw/ Would be interesting/fun to hear those sounds, if you're willing to share the two disk-images might be added to the sgroup-archive. The proposed R'Shack-method is the quickest of course, but does not transfer the sounds 'digitally' (...) Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Earnhardt To: Eric Wuest ; Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Help with Roland S-550 > Eric, your quickest and least technical solution would probably be to go to > radio shack and get the correct adapters to allow you to connect the output > of the s-550 to the input of your sound card, set your computer to record > using window's sound recorder, set to "CD quality", and trigger the samples > from the s-550 so you can record and save to .WAV > > There are other more involved processes that many people on this list will > be more qualified to explain. I'll let them do that if necessary... > > Good Luck, > > Rick Earnhardt > Steel City Music > www.steelcitymusic.tk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Wuest" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:16 AM > Subject: sgroup Help with Roland S-550 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sgroup > > > > I my name is Eric Wuest and I work for a newly established flight school > in > > Mesa, Arizona. > > In the last few months I have reassembled 2 A4 jet flight simulators > (build > > 1990) > > back together that were once used to train Navy pilots. > > The A4 flight simulator uses a rack mounted Roland S-550 digital sampler > > that provides the > > engine and tacan sounds. > > I do not have a manual for this sampler. And I only have 2 disks that > > contain the sounds. > > I would like to know if it is possible to convert the sound files on the > > disk to a wave format. We > > will be modernizing one of the Simulators to a visual based PC system in > the > > near future. > > (using an IBM WINXP-PC). > > > > > > > > > > Can you help? > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > Sincerely Eric Wuest > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 17 23:24:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-7667>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:24:34 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-7667>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:24:19 -0500 Received: from pool1162.cvx28-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.132.142] helo=hoffman) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18v8e5-0007o6-00; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:24:13 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c2ed06$08e669e0$8e84b3d1@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Richard Earnhardt" , "Eric Wuest" , References: <004301c2ecd6$72d65200$641dfea9@rickearn> Subject: Re: sgroup Help with Roland S-550 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:22:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Eric, You will introduce a little noise if you go throught the analog route. If that is OK, fine. I use to input record from CD's for drum sounds, but it was always too noisy. There was much better result ripping the CD and midi transfer to the S550 with Sample Vision. In you case, the simple method is to use a program like StudioVision and send the waves to your PC. Other programs like SoundForge will accept a TurtleBeach SV .SMP file and convert it to a wave file. I have done this many times. You do need a IBM PC with the HD drive formatted to the older file format and a standard type MPU midi card. You can find SV as a free download on one of these S330/S550/S7xx sites. (I have a copy) Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Earnhardt To: Eric Wuest ; Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Help with Roland S-550 > Eric, your quickest and least technical solution would probably be to go to > radio shack and get the correct adapters to allow you to connect the output > of the s-550 to the input of your sound card, set your computer to record > using window's sound recorder, set to "CD quality", and trigger the samples > from the s-550 so you can record and save to .WAV > > There are other more involved processes that many people on this list will > be more qualified to explain. I'll let them do that if necessary... > > Good Luck, > > Rick Earnhardt > Steel City Music > www.steelcitymusic.tk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Wuest" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:16 AM > Subject: sgroup Help with Roland S-550 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sgroup > > > > I my name is Eric Wuest and I work for a newly established flight school > in > > Mesa, Arizona. > > In the last few months I have reassembled 2 A4 jet flight simulators > (build > > 1990) > > back together that were once used to train Navy pilots. > > The A4 flight simulator uses a rack mounted Roland S-550 digital sampler > > that provides the > > engine and tacan sounds. > > I do not have a manual for this sampler. And I only have 2 disks that > > contain the sounds. > > I would like to know if it is possible to convert the sound files on the > > disk to a wave format. We > > will be modernizing one of the Simulators to a visual based PC system in > the > > near future. > > (using an IBM WINXP-PC). > > > > > > > > > > Can you help? > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > Sincerely Eric Wuest > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Mar 18 18:28:27 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-28124>; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:28:17 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f111.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.111]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-28124>; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:28:11 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:28:09 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.105 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:28:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.105] X-Originating-Email: [gtrplaya@hotmail.com] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup stumbled upon this.... Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:28:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2003 23:28:09.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[0947A700:01C2EDA6] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk a samples motherlode (new to me): http://samples.phatmix.com/ Fresh! _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 19 01:12:55 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10610>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:12:48 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10610>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:12:44 -0500 Received: from epu1 (88.new-york-19rh16rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.197.88]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003031906123311100rgrcve>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:12:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c2eddd$a1bf0140$58c5580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup stumbled upon this.... Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:05:53 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey, Now this looks interesting! Later, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Six Stringa To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: sgroup stumbled upon this.... > a samples motherlode (new to me): > > http://samples.phatmix.com/ > > Fresh! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 19 08:29:00 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10609>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:28:51 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f77.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.77]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10610>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:28:49 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:28:45 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.105 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:28:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.105] X-Originating-Email: [gtrplaya@hotmail.com] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup stumbled upon this.... Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:28:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 13:28:45.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[772F2020:01C2EE1B] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Very...I'll be busy today (wink). >From: "Harold Everton, Jr." >To: >Subject: Re: sgroup stumbled upon this.... >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:05:53 -0500 > >Hey, > >Now this looks interesting! > >Later, >Harold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Six Stringa >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 6:28 PM >Subject: sgroup stumbled upon this.... > > > > a samples motherlode (new to me): > > > > http://samples.phatmix.com/ > > > > Fresh! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 19 11:41:20 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-10609>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:41:14 -0500 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.98]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-10609>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:41:04 -0500 Received: from Myrios@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id 6.199.1767b695 (4320) for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:40:40 -0500 (EST) From: Myrios@aol.com Message-ID: <199.1767b695.2ba9f788@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:40:40 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup stumbled upon this.... To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This has probably been covered before... but is there a simple way to convert .wav format to s760 format? -jt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 19 11:47:54 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-10610>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:47:45 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f81.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.81]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-10610>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:47:41 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:47:32 -0800 Received: from 128.183.85.78 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:47:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.183.85.78] X-Originating-Email: [gtrplaya@hotmail.com] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: .wav to S-760 conversion (was: Re: sgroup stumbled upon this....) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:47:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2003 16:47:32.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C95AFD0:01C2EE37] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk From Francois Rossi's website. s760.us.tt: Converting any other format As of January 2003, the two utilities specialised in sample conversion, i.e. CDxtract and Translator, do not support direct conversion to the S-7xx format. Again, I will modify this page when the situation changes. >From: Myrios@aol.com >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: Re: sgroup stumbled upon this.... >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:40:40 -0500 > >This has probably been covered before... but is there a simple way to >convert >.wav format to s760 format? > >-jt > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 19 12:05:04 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-10610>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:04:57 -0500 Received: from ohsmtp03.ogw.rr.com ([65.24.7.38]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-10610>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:04:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (grv230145.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.145]) by ohsmtp03.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h2JH4e01003524 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:04:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:04:41 -0500 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <114657749704.20030319120441@columbus.rr.com> To: "Roland" Subject: Re[2]: sgroup stumbled upon this.... In-Reply-To: <199.1767b695.2ba9f788@aol.com> References: <199.1767b695.2ba9f788@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I do sysex dumps. In fact, I got a nice java program from someone in this group that allows me to drag and drop wav files for transfer. It stores them as samples, but it does create partials. It's slow, but easy. ----------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 11:40:40 AM, you wrote: Mac> This has probably been covered before... but is there a simple way to convert Mac> .wav format to s760 format? Mac> -jt Mac> - Mac> Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca Mac> For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca Mac> and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 19 12:27:09 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-10609>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:27:00 -0500 Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp03.web.de [217.72.192.158]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-10609>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:26:54 -0500 Received: from [217.87.82.245] (helo=[217.87.82.245]) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.97 #53) id 18vhL2-0002v1-00; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:26:52 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup stumbled upon this.... From: nichtlineareaudioproduktionen To: , roland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199.1767b695.2ba9f788@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > This has probably been covered before... but is there a simple way to convert > .wav format to s760 format? > > -jt I used Recycle via SCSI/MIDI chain, still have to build your patches from the Samples.. Nikolaus Sieveking nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Mar 19 14:21:47 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-10610>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:21:39 -0500 Received: from siaag2ad.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.134]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-10610>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:21:36 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ad.compuserve.com (8.12.8/8.12.7/SUN-2.6) id h2JJLXCD009344 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:21:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:21:09 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: Re[2]: sgroup stumbled upon this.... To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200303191421_MC3-1-3028-5655@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I do sysex dumps. In fact, I got a nice java program from someone in this >group that allows me to drag and drop wav files for transfer. It stores= them >as samples, but it does create partials. It's slow, but easy. Soundforge, Wavelab and Recycle all do this, by sending the samples via MIDI. Some better than others. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Mar 22 08:02:59 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-22172>; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:02:54 -0500 Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp03.web.de [217.72.192.158]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-22172>; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:02:42 -0500 Received: from [217.83.95.7] (helo=spinback) by smtp.web.de with smtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.97 #53) id 18widx-0003Ep-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:02:38 +0100 From: To: Subject: sgroup new S-330 question Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:05:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hello! It's me again with a question. I would like to play different samples with different midi channels. My samples are already in the RAM, but now I don't know how to go on. I know I need different programms / patches (don't know what the right word is) for that so that there is one programm with the bassdrum sample in it assigned to midi channel 1, one with snaredrum / midichannel 2 and one with hihat / midichannel 3. I think I have to do some things in the menu edit / split, I know that it is possible because I have sounddisks on which it is like I want to have it, but I just can't figure out how to do right. I tried long time, but without succes. If it is possible I would like to have every sample's root note on C4. I will be glad if you are able to help me. Christoph Merker -- www.spinback.de ICQ#: 69828088 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Mar 23 15:50:35 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-17447>; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:50:27 -0500 Received: from mail5.uunet.ca ([142.77.1.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-17447>; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:50:17 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl (hnmail02.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.132]) by mail5.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <567072-21899>; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:49:52 -0500 Received: from ptr ([195.121.151.144]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:50:23 +0100 Message-ID: <005901c2f17d$a19b22e0$909779c3@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: , References: Subject: sgroup Re: new s330 question Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:48:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm afraid I can't really help you here, after owning it for some time I still haven't really jumped into the S-330 yet. But the 'common' way of doing what you want (at least how I do it, say, on an Akai sampler) is to put everything of those drums sounds on the same MIDI-channel and trigger/select the sounds you want by their MIDI-note. Unless you want to be able to play a kick with root-note C4 over a span of more octaves. If you don't want that, so just a single pitch, then I suggest to do it as above. I saw you also sent your question to the s-list, likely someone there has more S-330-specific info. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: new s330 question > Hello! > It's me again with a question. I would like to play different samples with > different midi channels. My samples are already in the RAM, but now I don't > know how to go on. I know I need different programms / patches (don't know > what the right word is) for that so that there is one programm with the > bassdrum sample in it assigned to midi channel 1, one with snaredrum / > midichannel 2 and one with hihat / midichannel 3. I think I have to do some > things in the menu edit / split, I know that it is possible because I have > sounddisks on which it is like I want to have it, but I just can't figure > out how to do right. I tried long time, but without succes. If it is > possible I would like to have every sample's root note on C4. I will be glad > if you are able to help me. > > Christoph > -- > www.spinback.de > ICQ#: 69828088 > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Mar 24 11:21:26 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-11280>; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:21:20 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com ([209.250.142.227]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-11281>; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:21:09 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h2OGKwb76204 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:20:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from hetnet.nl (net013s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.153]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-11281>; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:29:09 -0500 Received: from hans ([195.121.230.21]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:30:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c2f219$f55d1ea0$15e679c3@hans> From: "Rothengatter" To: Subject: sgroup S-550 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:28:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F222.56DE3C10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F222.56DE3C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've recently bought a Roland S-550 sampler. Unfortunately I'm missing = my owners manual. Is there someone who can help me out with a manual. A photocopy is also = fine with me.=20 Costs will be paid Thanks a lot for your help. Hans ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F222.56DE3C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've recently bought a Roland S-550 = sampler.=20 Unfortunately I'm missing my owners manual.
Is there someone who can help me out = with a manual.=20 A photocopy is also fine with me.
Costs will be = paid     Thanks a=20 lot for your help.  Hans
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F222.56DE3C10-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Mar 27 21:48:14 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-6300>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:48:08 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f114.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.114]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193675-6300>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:47:57 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:47:50 -0800 Received: from 159.142.158.192 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:47:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.142.158.192] X-Originating-Email: [gtrplaya@hotmail.com] From: "Six Stringa" To: RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Alchemy 3.0 (Mac) and the S-550: sample dumps Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:47:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2003 02:47:50.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C3C9930:01C2F4D4] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Anybody here using Passport's Alchemy 3.0 on the Mac to send samples to a S-550? I was using version 2.3 with 100% success and now upon using v3.0, I keep getting some alert window saying something like "S-550 is not ready, check your connections" Now... S550: Exclusive is ON Mac: sucessfully using the sequencer to successfully drive the S550 (so I know the Mac and the S-550 are successfully talking to one another). Alchemy: The S-550 is set up as an instrument, MIDI receive ch. is correct... So it must be Alchemy...any thoughts (generic or specific)? Thanks in advance. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.