From majordomo-owner@hugin.uunet.ca Sat Mar 1 14:15:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost.generalconcepts.com [127.0.0.1]) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h21JFkm09759 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:15:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from majordomo-owner@hugin.uunet.ca) Received: from pop.uunet.ca [142.77.1.51] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.8.17) for gcjs@localhost (single-drop); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.uunet.ca ([209.167.141.3]) by munin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <744716-11393>; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:12:32 -0500 Received: from hugin.uunet.ca ([209.167.141.2]) by mail1.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <81051-12620>; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:12:25 -0500 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-2878>; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:12:15 -0500 To: jsellens@generalconcepts.com From: majordomo@hugin.uunet.ca Subject: Majordomo file: list 'sgroup' file 'sgroup.200302' Reply-To: majordomo@hugin.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: <2003Mar1.141215edt.193723-2878@hugin.uunet.ca> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:12:14 -0500 Status: R X-SpamBouncer: 1.4 (10/07/01) X-SBNote: From Admin X-SBNote: FROM_DAEMON/Listserv X-SBPass: Oversize-Leantagged X-SBClass: Admin -- >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 1 01:26:00 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-4731>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:25:53 -0500 Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4731>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:25:46 -0500 Received: from rickearn ([151.201.232.50]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20030201062543.NUFL1817.out006.verizon.net@rickearn>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:25:43 -0600 Message-ID: <004201c2c9d3$f8d84280$641dfea9@rickearn> From: "Richard Earnhardt" To: "Six Stringa" Cc: References: Subject: sgroup Re: Convert Load S50 to S550 pp 4-5 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:26:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Richard Earnhardt" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [151.201.232.50] at Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:25:43 -0600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Doug, This is exactly what I was looking for and could not find on the net - or in the sgroup archives. Thank you many times over for your effort! These functions are even more useful that I expected - I have a load of work ahead of me doing the conversions, but it will be worth it to have my sampler back :) It's people like you that make this list so effective - if there's any way i can help you personally or the group as a whole, please let me know! -Rick ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Convert Load S50 to S550 pp 4-5 > Rick, > Last two. Sorry the file sizes are so big, I scanned them at 150dpi in case > you wanted to print them out. Let me know how you make out. > > Doug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 1 02:45:10 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-4731>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 02:45:05 -0500 Received: from post.webmailer.de (natsmtp00.webmailer.de [192.67.198.74]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4731>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 02:44:54 -0500 Received: from tux.unix-net (pD9E7F18A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.231.241.138]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21327 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:44:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from martin@localhost) by tux.unix-net (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) id h116aoV17913 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 07:36:50 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:36:50 -0500 From: Martin Wulff To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Roland SC-88 VL Message-ID: <20030201073650.A17907@tux.unix-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, I know, itīs not a Sound Canvas User Group here, but does anyone know where can find a Roland SC-88 manaual in the net? Or does anyone have one in PDF or anoither format? I searched for it but didn't found one. And I don't have the time to wait while Roland can send me one. bye, Martin - eMail : Martin Wulff Homepage : http://www.heimserver.de/mwmstudios/ ICQ : 75752326 AIM : MuMaWu -------------------------------------------- Public Key: Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 1 03:44:57 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-4731>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:44:48 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f111.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.111]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4731>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:44:45 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:44:42 -0800 Received: from 159.142.158.213 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:44:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.142.158.213] From: "Six Stringa" To: richard.earnhardt@verizon.net Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Re: Convert Load S50 to S550 pp 4-5 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:44:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2003 08:44:42.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A0E6E70:01C2C9CE] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Rick, It's my pleasure...!! So many people, from here in Washington, DC...to as far as Germany and The Netherlands, have freely and graciously helped me over the years with MIDI questions, issues (especially, in hindsight with some of my most novice questions), that I really like to give back and help whenever I can! Glad it worked out for you. If John S. approves, they'll go up in the archives. Though I took a hiatus from the list for a few years...it has been one of the best, if not the best lists I've ever been on, in terms of knowledge and help and longevity...it's still as strong as ever!! Thanks for the offer....THAT is much appreciated. 3:48am in the morning, and I feel good...I'm listening to some basic tracks I recorded on my VS-880and hour ago, and with the help of Jesse S., the S-550 horn sections doesn't sound bad at all. Kudos to everyone on the list... I'm out! D >From: "Richard Earnhardt" >To: "Six Stringa" >CC: >Subject: sgroup Re: Convert Load S50 to S550 pp 4-5 >Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:26:12 -0500 > >Doug, > > This is exactly what I was looking for and could not find on the net - >or >in the sgroup archives. Thank you many times over for your effort! These >functions are even more useful that I expected - I have a load of work >ahead >of me doing the conversions, but it will be worth it to have my sampler >back >:) > > It's people like you that make this list so effective - if there's any >way >i can help you personally or the group as a whole, please let me know! > >-Rick > > >----- Original Message ----- >To: >Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:08 PM >Subject: Convert Load S50 to S550 pp 4-5 > > > > Rick, > > Last two. Sorry the file sizes are so big, I scanned them at 150dpi in >case > > you wanted to print them out. Let me know how you make out. > > > > Doug > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 1 03:51:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-4730>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:51:30 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f8.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-4730>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:51:27 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:51:23 -0800 Received: from 159.142.158.213 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:51:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.142.158.213] From: "Six Stringa" To: Martin@funandmusic.de, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Roland SC-88 VL Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:51:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2003 08:51:23.0691 (UTC) FILETIME=[1922A7B0:01C2C9CF] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Martin, Here is Roland's Turbo Facts for the SC-88 http://www.zzounds.com/pdf.music?p=ROL152 peace, Doug >From: Martin Wulff >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: sgroup Roland SC-88 VL >Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:36:50 -0500 > >Hi, > >I know, itīs not a Sound Canvas User Group here, but does anyone know >where can find a Roland SC-88 manaual in the net? Or does anyone have >one in PDF or anoither format? I searched for it but didn't found one. >And I don't have the time to wait while Roland can send me one. > >bye, Martin > >- >eMail : Martin Wulff >Homepage : http://www.heimserver.de/mwmstudios/ >ICQ : 75752326 >AIM : MuMaWu >-------------------------------------------- >Public Key: >Fingerprint: 172D C7CC 503A EF0A 1D0F 7395 E1415 227E C6BD 2520 > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 2 12:19:20 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-16230>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:19:12 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (1cust199.tnt11.chi15.da.uu.net [67.248.52.199]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16230>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:19:02 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h12HIqq01464 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:18:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from kura.mail.jippii.net ([195.197.172.113]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16230>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:22:49 -0500 Received: from neilikka (unknown [195.197.55.100]) by kura.mail.jippii.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05931CD10C for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:22:42 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <25744969.1044181379595.JavaMail.jyrkih@sci.fi> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:22:59 -0500 From: jyrkih@sci.fi To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup s550 rgb -->s-video? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=iso-8859-15; Format=Flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Jippii webmail - http://www.jippiigroup.com/ X-Originating-IP: 212.246.204.239 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Is it possible to convert s550 rgb out to s-video (input on macintosh 8500) so i could see colours? what kind of converter i need? Jyrki - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 2 18:10:45 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-16230>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:10:37 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl (net90s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16229>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:10:31 -0500 Received: from ptr ([213.75.156.166]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:12:43 +0100 Message-ID: <00b701c2cb10$951fce00$799c4bd5@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: , , References: <20030131170003.18008.99409.Mailman@okeanos.hmdns.net> Subject: sgroup [OT] SF-addresses: gear/gigs/vinyl... Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:12:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Sorry for the off-topic here - I'll be visiting San Francisco soon and since likely a few list-readers will be from around there I was wondering if you have some suggestions. What are the places in SF to find some nice new or second hand music-gear and 'non-mainstream' vinyl/CDs ? Thanks, Peter - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 2 23:24:16 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-16230>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:24:11 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16230>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:24:00 -0500 Received: from epu1 (200.new-york-02rh16rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.163.200]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2003020304235711200h4bh1e>; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 04:23:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2cb3b$7304d240$c8a3580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Drives Larger Than 600MB. Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:19:30 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CB11.897DC9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CB11.897DC9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, My friend has an 18GB hard Drive that he wants to use with his Roland = S760. Will he be stuck with a 600MB formatted drive, or can he partition = it so he can access the drive in 600MB chunks? Thanks, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CB11.897DC9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
My friend has an 18GB hard Drive that = he wants to=20 use with his Roland S760. Will he be stuck with a 600MB formatted drive, = or can=20 he partition it so he can access the drive in 600MB chunks?
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CB11.897DC9C0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 2 23:28:02 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-16229>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:27:54 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f266.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.141]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16229>; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:27:43 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:27:42 -0800 Received: from 159.142.158.178 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 04:27:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.142.158.178] From: "Six Stringa" To: evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Drives Larger Than 600MB. Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:27:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2003 04:27:42.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[97BFA230:01C2CB3C] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I would bet he is stuck with the 600MB max, same as my Roland VS-880 works perfectly with it's 10GB drive, but the unit can only see 4MB in 1MB partitions....but I'm sure the S-750 experts here will confirm or deny... Have a good week... >From: "Harold Everton, Jr." >To: >Subject: sgroup Drives Larger Than 600MB. >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:19:30 -0500 > >Hey All, > >My friend has an 18GB hard Drive that he wants to use with his Roland S760. >Will he be stuck with a 600MB formatted drive, or can he partition it so he >can access the drive in 600MB chunks? > >Thanks, >Harold > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 3 10:32:59 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-6792>; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:32:51 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6791>; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:32:39 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h13FWVl61673 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:32:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from sunny.pacific.net.au ([203.25.148.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6791>; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:38:55 -0500 Received: from wisma.pacific.net.au (wisma.pacific.net.au [210.23.129.72]) by sunny.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id h135cmKR004012 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:38:49 +1100 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.254] (ppp105.adsl89.pacific.net.au [202.7.89.105]) by wisma.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id QAA28548 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:38:48 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:38:47 -0500 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Drives Larger Than 600MB. Message-ID: <19951368.1044290327@[192.168.0.11]> In-Reply-To: <000a01c2cb3b$7304d240$c8a3580c@epu1> References: <000a01c2cb3b$7304d240$c8a3580c@epu1> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > My friend has an 18GB hard Drive that he wants to use with his Roland > S760. Will he be stuck with a 600MB formatted drive, or can he partition > it so he can access the drive in 600MB chunks? Hmm. We really need a FAQ file. He will be stuck with a single 600MB formatted drive. He cannot partition it to access it in chunks. People seem to forget that despite the march of technology (i.e. disk sizes), the Roland S7x0 OSes are designed to fit on a single floppy disk. Presumably there's also a limited amount of non-sample RAM that the OS can be loaded into when the sampler boots. So, support for sophisticated file systems needed for large media just ain't possible. Come to think of it, some of these limits may be in ROM anyway, and so not even possible to be overridden. And to preempt the next possible question, I believe it is not possible to use the extra space on the disk for Windows, because the partition table needed by Windows is occupied by data for the Roland OS. Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 3 22:48:09 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-6791>; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:48:01 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-6791>; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:47:58 -0500 Received: from epu1 (254.new-york-05rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.168.254]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003020403475511100k3b2fe>; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 03:47:55 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c2cbff$8d7d66e0$afc8580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , Subject: sgroup The Guitar Search Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:43:15 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2CBD5.A3FF8620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2CBD5.A3FF8620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, I'm going to have to part with one of the cards in my Roland XP60. I'm = so upset that I only have space for four. The thing is, I need one slot = for my experience board. This card has some great Rhodes sounds on it. = Many of the sounds on those cards are already in all of my sequences. = I'd have to do without it if I install another card. Perhaps if I ran = out and bought Roland's 60s & 70s CD Volume 2, I'd have many of those = same great B3 and Rhodes sounds. What's the point? I'm extremely happy that I got the Quantum Leap = Guitars& Bass CD. The CD has the most realistic guitar sounds you'd find = anywhere on the planet short of a real guitar. The downside is, it = doesn't contain that late 70s/early 80s telecaster funk guitar sound = that I've been looking so hard for. The Roland SRJV Country Collection = Board does have it. I guess it'd be more wise to drop a clean $100 on = one of these than chasing some Roland or Akai format sample CD to get a = plethora of them.=20 You guys should check this board out (SRJV80-17). It is heavily = underrated. While the nylon and steel guitars are more accurately = represented on my Quantum Leap CD, the telecasters and strats kick ass = on this board. Later, Harold Everton, Jr. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2CBD5.A3FF8620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
I'm going to have to part with one of = the cards in=20 my Roland XP60. I'm so upset that I only have space for four. The thing = is, I=20 need one slot for my experience board. This card has some great Rhodes = sounds on=20 it. Many of the sounds on those cards are already in all of my = sequences. I'd=20 have to do without it if I install another card. Perhaps if I ran out = and bought=20 Roland's 60s & 70s CD Volume 2, I'd have many of those same great B3 = and=20 Rhodes sounds.
 
What's the point? I'm extremely happy = that I got=20 the Quantum Leap Guitars& Bass CD. The CD has the most realistic = guitar=20 sounds you'd find anywhere on the planet short of a real guitar. The = downside=20 is, it doesn't contain that late 70s/early 80s telecaster funk guitar = sound that=20 I've been looking so hard for. The Roland SRJV Country Collection Board = does=20 have it. I guess it'd be more wise to drop a clean $100 on one of these = than=20 chasing some Roland or Akai format sample CD to get a plethora of them.=20
 
You guys should check this board out = (SRJV80-17).=20 It is heavily underrated. While the nylon and steel guitars are more = accurately=20 represented on my Quantum Leap CD, the telecasters and strats kick ass = on this=20 board.
 
Later,
Harold Everton, Jr.
 
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2CBD5.A3FF8620-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 3 23:55:49 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-6792>; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:55:42 -0500 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.157]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-6791>; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:55:36 -0500 Received: from user-2inisht.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.114.61] helo=hoffman) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18fv7J-00054c-00; Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:55:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c2cc09$9e3f0f60$3d7279a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , , , References: <001d01c2cbff$8d7d66e0$afc8580c@epu1> Subject: Re: sgroup The Guitar Search Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:54:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2CBC6.79C7DE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2CBC6.79C7DE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a JV-1080 and have 4 cards. My strategy has been, since the = Roland is such a capable synthesizer, to keep my cards more for sounds = that can more fully utilize the synth engine parameters (like, Vintage = synths) and stay away from the realistic sounds like piano and guitar. I utilize my S770 sampler for creating = life-like sounds - it is better at creating them. I don't think of my = JV synth as a sample playback device and it allows me to not lament the = fact I only have 4 slots. I also don't care that my D550 only has 16 voices because I don't try to = play it as a realitic piano with the sustain pedal on. As a synth it is = still very capable. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca ; Roland_Equipment@yahoogroups.com ; = Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: sgroup The Guitar Search Hey All, I'm going to have to part with one of the cards in my Roland XP60. I'm = so upset that I only have space for four. The thing is, I need one slot = for my experience board. This card has some great Rhodes sounds on it. = Many of the sounds on those cards are already in all of my sequences. = I'd have to do without it if I install another card. Perhaps if I ran = out and bought Roland's 60s & 70s CD Volume 2, I'd have many of those = same great B3 and Rhodes sounds. What's the point? I'm extremely happy that I got the Quantum Leap = Guitars& Bass CD. The CD has the most realistic guitar sounds you'd find = anywhere on the planet short of a real guitar. The downside is, it = doesn't contain that late 70s/early 80s telecaster funk guitar sound = that I've been looking so hard for. The Roland SRJV Country Collection = Board does have it. I guess it'd be more wise to drop a clean $100 on = one of these than chasing some Roland or Akai format sample CD to get a = plethora of them.=20 You guys should check this board out (SRJV80-17). It is heavily = underrated. While the nylon and steel guitars are more accurately = represented on my Quantum Leap CD, the telecasters and strats kick ass = on this board. Later, Harold Everton, Jr. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2CBC6.79C7DE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a JV-1080 and have 4 cards.  My strategy = has been,=20 since the Roland is such a capable synthesizer, to keep my cards more = for sounds=20 that can more fully utilize the synth engine parameters (like, Vintage = synths)=20 and stay away from the realistic
sounds like piano and guitar.  = I=20 utilize my S770 sampler for creating life-like sounds - it is better at = creating=20 them.  I don't think of my JV synth as a sample playback device and = it=20 allows me to not lament the fact I only have 4 slots.
I also = don't care=20 that my D550 only has 16 voices because I don't try to play it as a = realitic=20 piano with the sustain pedal on.  As a synth it is still very=20 capable.
Randy
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca ; Roland_Equipment@yahoogr= oups.com=20 ; Roland-XV-5080@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 = 7:43=20 PM
Subject: sgroup The Guitar = Search

Hey All,
 
I'm going to have to part with one of = the cards=20 in my Roland XP60. I'm so upset that I only have space for four. The = thing is,=20 I need one slot for my experience board. This card has some great = Rhodes=20 sounds on it. Many of the sounds on those cards are already in all of = my=20 sequences. I'd have to do without it if I install another card. = Perhaps if I=20 ran out and bought Roland's 60s & 70s CD Volume 2, I'd have many = of those=20 same great B3 and Rhodes sounds.
 
What's the point? I'm extremely happy = that I got=20 the Quantum Leap Guitars& Bass CD. The CD has the most realistic = guitar=20 sounds you'd find anywhere on the planet short of a real guitar. The = downside=20 is, it doesn't contain that late 70s/early 80s telecaster funk guitar = sound=20 that I've been looking so hard for. The Roland SRJV Country Collection = Board=20 does have it. I guess it'd be more wise to drop a clean $100 on one of = these=20 than chasing some Roland or Akai format sample CD to get a plethora of = them.=20
 
You guys should check this board out = (SRJV80-17).=20 It is heavily underrated. While the nylon and steel guitars are more=20 accurately represented on my Quantum Leap CD, the telecasters and = strats kick=20 ass on this board.
 
Later,
Harold Everton, Jr.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2CBC6.79C7DE20-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 08:38:09 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:38:03 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:37:52 -0500 Received: from epu1 (51.new-york-21rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.200.51]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20030205133749113005ivrke>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:37:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2cd1b$1e02b460$33c8580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:33:05 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2CCF1.347BABE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2CCF1.347BABE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jesse and others, Please go back and take a look at the ZZounds website for the info on = the following CDs. Remember when we were debating on whether the Club 50 = CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 series? Well, it turns = out that they were both for the S700 series. They now have pictures of = both CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's on them. I was = curious to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume 1. Take a look at the sites: (Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume 1) http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD01&z=3D1608174213523 (Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all know of) http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD02&z=3D1608174213523 Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2CCF1.347BABE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jesse and others,
 
Please go back and take a look at the = ZZounds=20 website for the info on the following CDs. Remember when we were = debating on=20 whether the Club 50 CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 = series?=20 Well, it turns out that they were both for the S700 series. They now = have=20 pictures of both CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's on = them. I=20 was curious to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume = 1.
 
Take a look at the sites:
 
(Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume=20 1)
http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD01&z=3D160= 8174213523
 
(Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all know = of)
http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD02&z=3D160= 8174213523
 
Later,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2CCF1.347BABE0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 09:10:37 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:10:28 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:10:25 -0500 Received: from [80.46.152.19] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18gQFj-0000xW-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:10:15 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:11:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c2cd1b$1e02b460$33c8580c@epu1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Remember when we were debating on whether the Club 50 CDROMs > were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 series? > Well, it turns out that they were both for the S700 series. There was a version of Master Performance Series Vol.1 for the S-550. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 09:54:55 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:54:47 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:54:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18gQwc-0000Sr-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 09:54:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.61] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Feb 05 09:54:34 EST 2003 Message-ID: <1136842.1044456874117.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:55:50 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold, thanks an awful lot for the heads up! As for the Master Performance Series, the Roland Preview CD contains some bluegrass samples (acoustic guitar, maybe banjo and mandolin) from an S-700 series Club-50 sample CD. I always thought it was from Foundations (I guess I can check when I get home) but from the description of the Master Performance series, could it be from that? 'Any possibility these could be the same samples just sequenced in different order, for the 'convenience' of the user? I'll call and ask Zzounds but the salesfolks never seem to know anything about their sample CDs. Jesse Harold Everton, Jr. wrote: > Jesse and others, > > Please go back and take a look at the ZZounds website for the info on > the following CDs. Remember when we were debating on whether the Club 50 > CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 series? Well, it turns > out that they were both for the S700 series. They now have pictures of > both CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's on them. I was > curious to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume 1. > > Take a look at the sites: > > (Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume 1) > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD01&z=1608174213523 > > > (Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all know of) > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD02&z=1608174213523 > > > Later, > Harold - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 10:40:45 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:40:38 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:40:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18gRf5-0006v3-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:40:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.59] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Feb 05 10:40:30 EST 2003 Message-ID: <2588331.1044459630955.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:41:47 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Looking at the Zzounds web site again, is it possible the Master Performance Series CD is actually the older Club 50 sample CD in S-550 format? I know zZounds description says it's for S-700 series samplers but there's nothing on the CD label or the more detailed description below that says this. Didn't someone on this list say C50CD01 is the part number for the S-550 series CD? I know, I should be asking zZounds this but from my experience they'll have no idea what I'm talking about. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 14:56:52 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:56:43 -0500 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.246]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:56:37 -0500 Received: from user-2inisg5.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.114.5] helo=hoffman) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18gVeo-0004f5-00; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c2cd50$a8e123c0$057279a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , References: <000b01c2cd1b$1e02b460$33c8580c@epu1> Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:55:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CD0D.88FF5920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CD0D.88FF5920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I looked on this site. The CD, CD50CD01, I have. I've had it for at = least 5 years. It is formatted for the S550. The CD states on the back = it is also for the S770 samplers which is true because the S550 can be = loaded into the S770. This is what I did when I didn't have a CDrom = player for the S550. I woudn't buy it for the S7xx series sampler. I = can't tell on the website if the sounds match, but the booklet picture = matches and the model number matches. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:33 AM Subject: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Jesse and others, Please go back and take a look at the ZZounds website for the info on = the following CDs. Remember when we were debating on whether the Club 50 = CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 series? Well, it turns = out that they were both for the S700 series. They now have pictures of = both CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's on them. I was = curious to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume 1. Take a look at the sites: (Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume 1) http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD01&z=3D1608174213523 (Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all know of) http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD02&z=3D1608174213523 Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CD0D.88FF5920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I looked on this site.  The CD, CD50CD01,  = I=20 have.  I've had it for at least 5 years.  It is formatted for = the=20 S550.  The CD states on the back it is also for the S770 samplers = which is=20 true because the S550 can be loaded into the S770.  This is what I = did when=20 I didn't have a CDrom player for the S550.  I woudn't buy it for = the S7xx=20 series sampler.   I can't tell on the website if the sounds = match, but=20 the booklet picture matches and the model number matches.
 
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, = 2003 5:33=20 AM
Subject: sgroup Club 50 = CDROMs

Jesse and others,
 
Please go back and take a look at the = ZZounds=20 website for the info on the following CDs. Remember when we were = debating on=20 whether the Club 50 CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 = series?=20 Well, it turns out that they were both for the S700 series. They now = have=20 pictures of both CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's = on them.=20 I was curious to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume=20 1.
 
Take a look at the = sites:
 
(Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume = 1)
http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD01&z=3D160= 8174213523
 
(Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all = know=20 of)
http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=3Dp.ROLCD50CD02&z=3D160= 8174213523
 
Later,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2CD0D.88FF5920-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 15:25:09 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:25:01 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:24:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18gW6I-00029Y-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:24:54 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.57] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Feb 05 15:24:54 EST 2003 Message-ID: <2037681.1044476694399.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:26:12 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I figured as much. I just ordered both of them - the guy on the phone didn't know anything about this CD other than what was written on the web page but he said he'd take it back even if I'd opened it. I already have this CD on floppy disk for my S-550 but it may be nice to have a backup copy around - those double-density diskettes aren't going to last forever. Jesse Randy Hoffman wrote: > I looked on this site. The CD, CD50CD01, I have. I've had it for at > least 5 years. It is formatted for the S550. The CD states on the back > it is also for the S770 samplers which is true because the S550 can be > loaded into the S770. This is what I did when I didn't have a CDrom > player for the S550. I woudn't buy it for the S7xx series sampler. I > can't tell on the website if the sounds match, but the booklet picture > matches and the model number matches. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 15:53:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:53:43 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f271.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.146]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:53:33 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:53:30 -0800 Received: from 128.183.85.78 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 20:53:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.183.85.78] From: "Six Stringa" To: randy_hoff@ix.netcom.com, evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:53:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2003 20:53:30.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3DA3D00:01C2CD58] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ok, I've been following this thread....are these sample disks really good, or ater they just comparable to the original S-550 library? Thanks, D >From: "Randy Hoffman" >To: "Harold Everton, Jr." >, >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:55:53 -0500 > >I looked on this site. The CD, CD50CD01, I have. I've had it for at >least 5 years. It is formatted for the S550. The CD states on the back it >is also for the S770 samplers which is true because the S550 can be loaded >into the S770. This is what I did when I didn't have a CDrom player for >the S550. I woudn't buy it for the S7xx series sampler. I can't tell on >the website if the sounds match, but the booklet picture matches and the >model number matches. > >Randy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Harold Everton, Jr. > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:33 AM > Subject: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > Jesse and others, > > Please go back and take a look at the ZZounds website for the info on >the following CDs. Remember when we were debating on whether the Club 50 >CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 series? Well, it turns >out that they were both for the S700 series. They now have pictures of both >CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's on them. I was curious >to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume 1. > > Take a look at the sites: > > (Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume 1) > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD01&z=1608174213523 > > (Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all know of) > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD02&z=1608174213523 > > Later, > Harold > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 16:40:24 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:40:18 -0500 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:40:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.41] (helo=wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18gXGw-0007dr-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 16:39:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.61] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Feb 05 16:39:58 EST 2003 Message-ID: <3565322.1044481198114.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:41:16 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Six Stringa wrote: > Ok, I've been following this thread....are these sample disks really > good, or ater they just comparable to the original S-550 library? I can't speak (yet) for the Club 50 sounds for the S-700 samplers but I can say this - the original S-550 Roland sound banks were a WHOLE lot better than the S-50 sound banks. There's lots of very nice ethnic stuff, sound FX and nice keyboards, even a very usable acoustic piano (not bad for only two 720 kb floppies). As I remember there were even some nice drum kits although I can't say I've listened to any of them in the past ten years, especially not since I've acquired the S-760 and an SPD-20. For free, what can you say? I can honestly say if I'd lost all my Roland sound bank stuff for the S-50/550 and if there were no way to get it for free, I'd certainly pay $50 for it! As for the Club-50 sounds for the S-550, they're good, solid sounds but they're not going to be anywhere near as good as what you can get out of 32 Mb of RAM, 16-bit. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 17:13:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:13:41 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f240.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.240]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:13:38 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:13:32 -0800 Received: from 128.183.85.78 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:13:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.183.85.78] From: "Six Stringa" To: jsegovia@mindspring.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:13:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2003 22:13:32.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1F7A780:01C2CD63] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ok, thanks Jesse. What I was meaning to ask was is it good in comparison to the original library (which I have unopened) for the S-550... >From: Jesse Segovia >To: sgroup >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:41:16 -0500 > >Six Stringa wrote: > > Ok, I've been following this thread....are these sample disks really > > good, or ater they just comparable to the original S-550 library? > >I can't speak (yet) for the Club 50 sounds for the S-700 samplers but I can >say this - the original S-550 Roland sound banks were a WHOLE lot better >than the S-50 sound banks. There's lots of very nice ethnic stuff, sound >FX and nice keyboards, even a very usable acoustic piano (not bad for only >two 720 kb floppies). As I remember there were even some nice drum kits >although I can't say I've listened to any of them in the past ten years, >especially not since I've acquired the S-760 and an SPD-20. > >For free, what can you say? I can honestly say if I'd lost all my Roland >sound bank stuff for the S-50/550 and if there were no way to get it for >free, I'd certainly pay $50 for it! > >As for the Club-50 sounds for the S-550, they're good, solid sounds but >they're not going to be anywhere near as good as what you can get out of 32 >Mb of RAM, 16-bit. > >Jesse > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 17:23:57 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:23:50 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f49.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.49]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:23:44 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:23:35 -0800 Received: from 128.183.85.78 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:23:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.183.85.78] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup FYI - W30 page Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:23:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2003 22:23:35.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[395E0850:01C2CD65] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Just in case this is not in the mail archive: http://www.njohnson.co.uk/Roland/W30/index.html _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 17:40:32 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:40:21 -0500 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-20305>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:40:11 -0500 Received: from user-2initm2.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.118.194] helo=hoffman) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18gYCZ-0005I3-00; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:39:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c2cd67$6d9c98a0$aa7779a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Six Stringa" , , References: Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:38:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I would say the Club50 were similar to the Roland sound set. But, for instance, the Piano sound is not even close to what you can get for the 760 sampler. I have not heard a satisfying piano sample for the S550. I don't think that it is the constraints of memory because I have a good Piano PCM card PCM-04 and it is only 2M. so I believe there could be a good piano sample for the S550. The S550 is good for percussion, exotic instruments and EFX. I would utilize the 760's for realistic instruments. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Six Stringa To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > Ok, I've been following this thread....are these sample disks really good, > or ater they just comparable to the original S-550 library? > > Thanks, > D > > >From: "Randy Hoffman" > >To: "Harold Everton, Jr." > >, > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:55:53 -0500 > > > >I looked on this site. The CD, CD50CD01, I have. I've had it for at > >least 5 years. It is formatted for the S550. The CD states on the back it > >is also for the S770 samplers which is true because the S550 can be loaded > >into the S770. This is what I did when I didn't have a CDrom player for > >the S550. I woudn't buy it for the S7xx series sampler. I can't tell on > >the website if the sounds match, but the booklet picture matches and the > >model number matches. > > > >Randy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Harold Everton, Jr. > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:33 AM > > Subject: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > > > Jesse and others, > > > > Please go back and take a look at the ZZounds website for the info on > >the following CDs. Remember when we were debating on whether the Club 50 > >CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 series? Well, it turns > >out that they were both for the S700 series. They now have pictures of both > >CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's on them. I was curious > >to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume 1. > > > > Take a look at the sites: > > > > (Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume 1) > > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD01&z=1608174213523 > > > > (Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all know of) > > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD02&z=1608174213523 > > > > Later, > > Harold > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 19:45:26 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:45:17 -0500 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:45:14 -0500 Received: from user-2inite8.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.117.200] helo=hoffman) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18gaAB-00056F-00; Wed, 05 Feb 2003 19:45:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c2cd78$fad30c20$c87579a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: , "Six Stringa" References: Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:44:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Not really. The dynamic range of the S550 never bothered me for the piano sounds or any sounds for that matter. More important, the 30Khz sample rate and 15khz upper end of the frequency response only came into questions for cymbals and such. The problem was a good sample. The Roland 16bit Grand on the floppy disks (2 of them) was the best I heard on the S550. But I am sure the S550 is more capable with just a better sample. Like I said, I know Roland could do one like the PCM card (2MB, 1.5MB if only 12 bit) if they wanted too. The PCM card came later, after the S550 and the older RD pianos. Roland started using a different tack on piano samples and improved their sound. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Six Stringa To: Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > I figured the bit difference (12 vs 16) is key... > > > > > > > >From: "Randy Hoffman" > >To: "Six Stringa" > >,, > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:38:50 -0800 > > > >I would say the Club50 were similar to the Roland sound set. But, for > >instance, the Piano sound is not even close to what you can get for the 760 > >sampler. I have not heard a satisfying piano sample for the S550. I don't > >think that it is the constraints of memory because I have a good Piano PCM > >card PCM-04 and it is only 2M. so I believe there could be a good piano > >sample for the S550. The S550 is good for percussion, exotic instruments > >and EFX. I would utilize the 760's for realistic instruments. > > > >Randy > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Six Stringa > >To: ; ; > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:53 PM > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I've been following this thread....are these sample disks really > >good, > > > or ater they just comparable to the original S-550 library? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > D > > > > > > >From: "Randy Hoffman" > > > >To: "Harold Everton, Jr." > > > >, > > > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:55:53 -0500 > > > > > > > >I looked on this site. The CD, CD50CD01, I have. I've had it for at > > > >least 5 years. It is formatted for the S550. The CD states on the > >back > >it > > > >is also for the S770 samplers which is true because the S550 can be > >loaded > > > >into the S770. This is what I did when I didn't have a CDrom player > >for > > > >the S550. I woudn't buy it for the S7xx series sampler. I can't tell > >on > > > >the website if the sounds match, but the booklet picture matches and > >the > > > >model number matches. > > > > > > > >Randy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Harold Everton, Jr. > > > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:33 AM > > > > Subject: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesse and others, > > > > > > > > Please go back and take a look at the ZZounds website for the info > >on > > > >the following CDs. Remember when we were debating on whether the Club > >50 > > > >CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 series? Well, it > >turns > > > >out that they were both for the S700 series. They now have pictures of > >both > > > >CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's on them. I was > >curious > > > >to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume 1. > > > > > > > > Take a look at the sites: > > > > > > > > (Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume 1) > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD01&z=1608174213523 > > > > > > > > (Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all know of) > > > > http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD02&z=1608174213523 > > > > > > > > Later, > > > > Harold > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 5 22:58:22 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:58:18 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f128.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.128]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-20306>; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:58:11 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:58:05 -0800 Received: from 159.142.158.101 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 03:58:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.142.158.101] From: "Six Stringa" To: randy_hoff@ix.netcom.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:58:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2003 03:58:05.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4204F80:01C2CD93] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks for that in-depth explanation...always good to learn something here... D >From: "Randy Hoffman" >To: ,"Six Stringa" >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:44:29 -0800 > >Not really. The dynamic range of the S550 never bothered me for the piano >sounds or any sounds for that matter. More important, the 30Khz sample >rate >and 15khz upper end of the frequency response only came into questions for >cymbals and such. The problem was a good sample. The Roland 16bit Grand >on >the floppy disks (2 of them) was the best I heard on the S550. But I am >sure the S550 is more capable with just a better sample. Like I said, I >know Roland could do one like the PCM card (2MB, 1.5MB if only 12 bit) if >they wanted too. The PCM card came later, after the S550 and the older RD >pianos. Roland started using a different tack on piano samples and >improved >their sound. > >Randy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Six Stringa >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:42 PM >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > I figured the bit difference (12 vs 16) is key... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Randy Hoffman" > > >To: "Six Stringa" > > > >,,t.ca> > > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:38:50 -0800 > > > > > >I would say the Club50 were similar to the Roland sound set. But, for > > >instance, the Piano sound is not even close to what you can get for the >760 > > >sampler. I have not heard a satisfying piano sample for the S550. I >don't > > >think that it is the constraints of memory because I have a good Piano >PCM > > >card PCM-04 and it is only 2M. so I believe there could be a good >piano > > >sample for the S550. The S550 is good for percussion, exotic >instruments > > >and EFX. I would utilize the 760's for realistic instruments. > > > > > >Randy > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Six Stringa > > >To: ; ; > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:53 PM > > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I've been following this thread....are these sample disks really > > >good, > > > > or ater they just comparable to the original S-550 library? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > D > > > > > > > > >From: "Randy Hoffman" > > > > >To: "Harold Everton, Jr." > > > > >, > > > > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:55:53 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >I looked on this site. The CD, CD50CD01, I have. I've had it for >at > > > > >least 5 years. It is formatted for the S550. The CD states on the > > >back > > >it > > > > >is also for the S770 samplers which is true because the S550 can be > > >loaded > > > > >into the S770. This is what I did when I didn't have a CDrom >player > > >for > > > > >the S550. I woudn't buy it for the S7xx series sampler. I can't >tell > > >on > > > > >the website if the sounds match, but the booklet picture matches >and > > >the > > > > >model number matches. > > > > > > > > > >Randy > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Harold Everton, Jr. > > > > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:33 AM > > > > > Subject: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesse and others, > > > > > > > > > > Please go back and take a look at the ZZounds website for the >info > > >on > > > > >the following CDs. Remember when we were debating on whether the >Club > > >50 > > > > >CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 series? Well, it > > >turns > > > > >out that they were both for the S700 series. They now have pictures >of > > >both > > > > >CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's on them. I was > > >curious > > > > >to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume 1. > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at the sites: > > > > > > > > > > (Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume 1) > > > > > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD01&z=1608174213523 > > > > > > > > > > (Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all know of) > > > > > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD02&z=1608174213523 > > > > > > > > > > Later, > > > > > Harold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 6 03:29:57 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-3198>; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:29:50 -0500 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193724-3198>; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:29:43 -0500 Received: from user-2inis5s.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.112.188] helo=hoffman) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ghPa-0002k0-00; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 03:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c2cdb9$b008b640$bc7079a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: , "Six Stringa" References: Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:27:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Don't get me wrong, I used the Roland 2 disk piano sample for a long time until I replaced it with the EMU performance (more realistic but pretty dry and not a rewarding sound - but good for the time). I could hear the Roland in other modules like the U220. When I got the Club50 and heard it's piano hoping for a better sound I was not impressed at all. My point is that the Coakley and East/West Ultimate has made me lose this hobby of searching for the perfect piano. They both allow me to enjoy the rich sound as well as being accurate. And, if one of these companies did one for the S550, it would also sound good, even though they would have to resort to loops and lack expressive layers. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Six Stringa To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > Thanks for that in-depth explanation...always good to learn something > here... > > D > > > > > > > >From: "Randy Hoffman" > >To: ,"Six Stringa" > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:44:29 -0800 > > > >Not really. The dynamic range of the S550 never bothered me for the piano > >sounds or any sounds for that matter. More important, the 30Khz sample > >rate > >and 15khz upper end of the frequency response only came into questions for > >cymbals and such. The problem was a good sample. The Roland 16bit Grand > >on > >the floppy disks (2 of them) was the best I heard on the S550. But I am > >sure the S550 is more capable with just a better sample. Like I said, I > >know Roland could do one like the PCM card (2MB, 1.5MB if only 12 bit) if > >they wanted too. The PCM card came later, after the S550 and the older RD > >pianos. Roland started using a different tack on piano samples and > >improved > >their sound. > > > >Randy > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Six Stringa > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:42 PM > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > > > > I figured the bit difference (12 vs 16) is key... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Randy Hoffman" > > > >To: "Six Stringa" > > > > > >,, >t.ca> > > > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:38:50 -0800 > > > > > > > >I would say the Club50 were similar to the Roland sound set. But, for > > > >instance, the Piano sound is not even close to what you can get for the > >760 > > > >sampler. I have not heard a satisfying piano sample for the S550. I > >don't > > > >think that it is the constraints of memory because I have a good Piano > >PCM > > > >card PCM-04 and it is only 2M. so I believe there could be a good > >piano > > > >sample for the S550. The S550 is good for percussion, exotic > >instruments > > > >and EFX. I would utilize the 760's for realistic instruments. > > > > > > > >Randy > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Six Stringa > > > >To: ; ; > > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:53 PM > > > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I've been following this thread....are these sample disks really > > > >good, > > > > > or ater they just comparable to the original S-550 library? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Randy Hoffman" > > > > > >To: "Harold Everton, Jr." > > > > > >, > > > > > >Subject: Re: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > > >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:55:53 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >I looked on this site. The CD, CD50CD01, I have. I've had it for > >at > > > > > >least 5 years. It is formatted for the S550. The CD states on the > > > >back > > > >it > > > > > >is also for the S770 samplers which is true because the S550 can be > > > >loaded > > > > > >into the S770. This is what I did when I didn't have a CDrom > >player > > > >for > > > > > >the S550. I woudn't buy it for the S7xx series sampler. I can't > >tell > > > >on > > > > > >the website if the sounds match, but the booklet picture matches > >and > > > >the > > > > > >model number matches. > > > > > > > > > > > >Randy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Harold Everton, Jr. > > > > > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:33 AM > > > > > > Subject: sgroup Club 50 CDROMs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesse and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please go back and take a look at the ZZounds website for the > >info > > > >on > > > > > >the following CDs. Remember when we were debating on whether the > >Club > > > >50 > > > > > >CDROMs were formatted for the Roland S700 or S500 series? Well, it > > > >turns > > > > > >out that they were both for the S700 series. They now have pictures > >of > > > >both > > > > > >CD-ROMs, as well as a lot more information on what's on them. I was > > > >curious > > > > > >to know if anyone here had the Club 50 CD-ROM volume 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at the sites: > > > > > > > > > > > > (Club 50 Master Performance CD Volume 1) > > > > > > > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD01&z=1608174213523 > > > > > > > > > > > > (Club 50 Volume 2 - The one we all know of) > > > > > > > >http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLCD50CD02&z=1608174213523 > > > > > > > > > > > > Later, > > > > > > Harold > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 8 10:38:06 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-17307>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:38:05 -0500 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-17307>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:38:02 -0500 Received: from dialup-67.30.191.154.dial.boston1.level3.net ([67.30.191.154] helo=mindspring.com) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18hX3C-000030-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 08 Feb 2003 10:37:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3E4524A0.2080800@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:39:12 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: sgroup Got the Club 50 CDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk zZounds delivery is excellent, by the way. Both orders came to my house the day after I ordered! I got both CDs and as we thought, the Foundations CD is for S-700 series samplers and the Performance CD is for the S-550/330. I had to Convert Load to get the Performance CD sounds into my S-760 and they are the same exact sounds I already have in floppy disk for the S-550. Reviews whenever I get a chance. I took a quick listen to the drums and pianos and most of the previous reviews seem right on - the drums are OK, better than the S-550 stuff but from what I've heard not quite as good as Drumscapes. The pianos sound realistic - they're obviously real pianos, but they just don't sparkle the way the nicer samples do. I doubt it, but is there any possible way of creating floppy disks in S-550 format from the S-760? In the event I lose lots of Club 50 floppies for the S-550 it's be nice to be able to create replacements from the S-760. And I know this question gets asked a lot, but there's no reliable source for CD-ROM interfaces for the S-550, right? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 8 21:25:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17307>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:25:31 -0500 Received: from siaag1ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17307>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:25:24 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.18) id VAA26300 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:25:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:24:55 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup for sale To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200302082125_MC3-1-290F-7587@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Cleaning my shed today. I have PLI Infinity Syquest 44 drive WITH the original "Roland Orchestra = 1" sample archive. RSA704. This plugs right into the s760 or chained with your zip drive and is seen= immediately by the sampler. Nothing to do. Also works with s750 or s770. Full of tasty Roland orchestral samples. I will sell it basically for shipping and my time to ship it and pack it,= so I'll call it $35 total to anywhere in the states. Paypal is best, but = MO is ok or check if we let ot clear.. Includes power supply and SCSI cable. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 8 22:24:03 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17307>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:23:54 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17307>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:23:44 -0500 Received: from [80.46.156.72] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18hhyn-000JYk-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 03:18:05 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup WTB - floppy drive Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:25:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200302082125_MC3-1-290F-7587@compuserve.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I need to replace the floppy of a newly acquired S-760. If anyone has one for sale, please contact me off list. Thanks, Francois http://s760.us.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 8 23:01:58 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17308>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:01:51 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.178]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17307>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:01:36 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:01:35 -0800 Received: from 159.142.158.178 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 04:01:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.142.158.178] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Fwd: [RolandSamplers] Extracting to a Mac from a S-760 Syquest Drive Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:01:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2003 04:01:35.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0150D00:01C2CFEF] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk SGroup, Please let me know if this crossposting is a no-no...just figured I'd try to spread the knowledge between the two lists. peace, Doug >From: "liamselwyn " >Reply-To: RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com >To: RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [RolandSamplers] Extracting to a Mac from a S-760 Syquest Drive >Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 01:17:12 -0000 > >Hi everyone, > >Is there anyway that anyone knows of that I can extract my >patches and samples etc. from a S760 formatted SCSI Syquest >drive direct to my Macintosh computer so I can then convert to >EXS24 or other virtual sampler mode? > >If not, how will I be able to convert my S760 files to a virtual >sampler file? > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks - Aloha from Maui, Hawaii > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 8 23:20:47 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-17308>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:20:39 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f253.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.128]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17308>; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:20:33 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:20:32 -0800 Received: from 159.142.158.178 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 04:20:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.142.158.178] From: "Six Stringa" To: jsegovia@mindspring.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: S-550 CD-ROM drives (was: Re: sgroup Got the Club 50 CDs) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:20:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2003 04:20:32.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[95CE5D80:01C2CFF2] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Jesse, If I understand your question correctly, any CD-ROM with the Sony CDU-541 mechanism will work with the S-550. If you mean vendors the actual SCSI interface (HD5-1F, an old company called Tone Genics made an upgrade for the HD5-1F that included both a HW upgrade as well as software that provided support for some 3rd party CD-ROM drives. Lastly, Roland put out a S7xx series Digital Sampler Compatibility Guide dated 7/794 which shows compatible CD-ROM drives. I don't know which Roland site (US or abroad) you can find it, but if someone can confirm that the S-550 can use these same drives (I see two here that are compatible), I will dig out my soft copy of this and e-mail it to any interested parties. peace, Doug >And I know this question gets asked a lot, but there's no reliable source >for CD-ROM interfaces for the S-550, right? > >Jesse _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 9 05:29:22 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16369>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 05:29:13 -0500 Received: from fedex.is.co.za ([196.4.160.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16369>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 05:29:10 -0500 Received: from [196.33.196.230] (c3-rba-230.dial-up.net [196.33.196.230]) by fedex.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFC2B84F5 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:28:56 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 05:28:54 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Fwd: [RolandSamplers] Extracting to a Mac from a S-760 Syquest Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >SGroup, >Please let me know if this crossposting is a no-no...just figured >I'd try to spread the knowledge between the two lists. Fine by me...... >>Is there anyway that anyone knows of that I can extract my >>patches and samples etc. from a S760 formatted SCSI Syquest >>drive direct to my Macintosh computer so I can then convert to >>EXS24 or other virtual sampler mode? How about CDXtract or Translator. He could download a demo version and try..... http://www.cdxtract.com/home.php http://www.chickensys.com/ - take the download links Regards - Colin - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 9 12:33:29 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16369>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:33:21 -0500 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.157]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16369>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:33:11 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.214.79.41.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([63.214.79.41] helo=mindspring.com) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18hvK7-0003qY-00; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 12:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3E4690E4.9030403@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:33:24 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Six Stringa CC: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: S-550 CD-ROM drives (was: Re: sgroup Got the Club 50 CDs) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Six Stringa wrote: > If you mean vendors the > actual SCSI interface (HD5-1F, an old company called Tone Genics made an > upgrade for the HD5-1F that included both a HW upgrade as well as > software that provided support for some 3rd party CD-ROM drives. Did this company make just an upgrade for the interface or do they make the entire interface? Can we still buy it? I would love to buy the interface and a CD-ROM (and maybe the hard drive) for the S-550. I still love that sampler and I've still got lots of nice samples for it, many of which I sampled myself. I can see getting lots of use out of it, even with my S-760. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 9 13:32:23 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16370>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:32:13 -0500 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16370>; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:32:03 -0500 Received: from user-2inisl2.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.114.162] helo=hoffman) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18hwF7-0002hy-00; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:31:54 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c2d069$64d1a6c0$a27279a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Six Stringa" , , References: Subject: Re: S-550 CD-ROM drives (was: Re: sgroup Got the Club 50 CDs) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:30:30 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The S550 will accept only a limited number of CDrom drives. The Roland 7xx list doesn't cover the 5xx samplers. There is no list for the S550 from Roland. So far all I know is that Sony 1X, SCSI, CDU6111 and CDU6211 work. Assume that a SCSI drive will not work until you can prove that is does. I have may drives for sale that don't work. We would all like to find out what happened to Tone Genics. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Six Stringa To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: S-550 CD-ROM drives (was: Re: sgroup Got the Club 50 CDs) > Jesse, > If I understand your question correctly, any CD-ROM with the Sony CDU-541 > mechanism will work with the S-550. If you mean vendors the actual SCSI > interface (HD5-1F, an old company called Tone Genics made an upgrade for the > HD5-1F that included both a HW upgrade as well as software that provided > support for some 3rd party CD-ROM drives. > > Lastly, Roland put out a S7xx series Digital Sampler Compatibility Guide > dated 7/794 which shows compatible CD-ROM drives. I don't know which Roland > site (US or abroad) you can find it, but if someone can confirm that the > S-550 can use these same drives (I see two here that are compatible), I will > dig out my soft copy of this and e-mail it to any interested parties. > > peace, > Doug > > >And I know this question gets asked a lot, but there's no reliable source > >for CD-ROM interfaces for the S-550, right? > > > >Jesse > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 10 10:08:47 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-1874>; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:08:38 -0500 Received: from galaga.telerama.com ([205.201.1.75]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-1874>; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:08:28 -0500 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by galaga.telerama.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) id h1AFAPR87381 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:10:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from oleniacz@hotmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: galaga.telerama.com: nobody set sender to oleniacz@hotmail.com using -f To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Sony CDU 6211-41 for $20 Message-ID: <1044889825.3e47c0e187eb7@webmail.telerama.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:10:25 -0500 From: oleniacz@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Something for the Sgroup crowd. http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?sku=CDU+6211%2D41&dept_id=3 I don't know what the "-41" version is. The 6211 drives I bought recently that worked with my S-550 were version "-10" But for $20 and a 90 warranty, it might be worth a try David - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 12 09:06:15 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-16339>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:06:08 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f103.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-16339>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:06:04 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:06:02 -0800 Received: from 128.183.85.78 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:06:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.183.85.78] From: "Six Stringa" To: RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com Subject: sgroup Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: Extracting to a Mac from a S-760 Syquest Drive Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:06:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2003 14:06:02.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[E06DF210:01C2D29F] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Here is the URL for D-Sound Pro, an excellent program: www.d-soundpro.com I've been using Alchemy 3.0 from the defunct Passport Systems, on my PowerMacs for years. I am still running System 7.6, so I don't know if Alchemy will run on OS9.x/10.x...but it's an excellent sample editor also. D >From: djgj@freenet.de >Reply-To: RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com >To: RolandSamplers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: Extracting to a Mac from a S-760 Syquest >Drive >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:26:16 +0100 > >Hi! >Ive been searching for some time now for such software, but without succes. >But I know 2 Mac softwares, which can transfer samples between S760 and the >Mac. Both of them are working with the samplers RAM, though. Means you have >to load the samples into the memory of the sampler and then transfer them >via SCSI to the computer. >First is D-SoundPro, a nice shareware for editing, converting and >transfering samples. It can communicate with a variety of samplers. >Unfortunately I dont know a webaddress, so you should check some search >engine. >The other one I just downloaded and checked, is Samplifier, a small >freeware, which can transmit either via MIDI dump or especially for Roland >S-series also via SCSI. It is very simple, only for transferring, but it >does this task very well. Like D-SoundPro, it can only transfer one sample >at a time from the sampler to the Mac, though, so transferring whole >volumes might be a pain. I am using it for the other way round (Im not >using software instruments yet and love my hardware ;-), where you can >transfer whole folders in one go to the sampler. If you are interested >though, check http://www.sonosphere.com/software/samplifier/ > >Hope this helps a little. > >Ibo > >----- original Nachricht -------- > > Hi everyone, > > > > Is there anyway that anyone knows of that I can extract my > > patches and samples etc. from a S760 formatted SCSI Syquest > > drive direct to my Macintosh computer so I can then convert to > > EXS24 or other virtual sampler mode? > > > > If not, how will I be able to convert my S760 files to a virtual > > sampler file? > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks - Aloha from Maui, Hawaii > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >roland_s-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to href='http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms' >target='_blank'>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >--- original Nachricht Ende ---- > > > >-- >SMS zu teuer? 50 SMS aus dem E-Mail Office versenden - und das Monat fuer >Monat! >Dazu gibt es noch 100 MB Speicherplatz fuer die Mailbox, 700 MB virtuelle >Festplatte >und 50 Faxe pro Monat! Jetzt anmelden unter >http://www.freenet.de/tipp/premium/index.html _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 12 11:14:07 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-16339>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:13:59 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-16339>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:13:48 -0500 Received: from [80.46.149.115] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18izW4-0006Pb-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:13:44 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: Extracting to a Mac from a S-760 Syquest Drive Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:15:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I've been using Alchemy 3.0 from the defunct Passport Systems, on my >PowerMacs for years. I am still running System 7.6, so I don't know if >Alchemy will run on OS9.x/10.x...but it's an excellent sample editor also. I recently bought an old LC475 (040/33) to run older software with System 7.5.5 (free from Apple's web). With a 14" colour monitor and some software, it only cost me UK30 ($50). It's a worthwhile investment if you have Alchemy. I also use it with Galaxy as a patch librarian and editor. I'm thinking now of getting an Atari 1040ST to run older Midi software for various modules I have. Some like the Yamaha RY30, can only be edited with Atari software as the usual PC and Mac librarians/editors such as Midi Quest, SoundDiver or Unisyn, do not cater for the RY30. Again, it shouldn't break the bank. An old 486 PC may also be a good purchase if you can find SampleVision for DOS to edit the S-330/S-550. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 12 12:24:47 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-16340>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:24:39 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f245.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.245]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-16340>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:24:32 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:24:23 -0800 Received: from 128.183.85.78 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:24:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.183.85.78] From: "Six Stringa" To: francois@chezrossi.net, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: Extracting to a Mac from a S-760 Syquest Drive Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:24:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2003 17:24:23.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[962268F0:01C2D2BB] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I agree with u....the ST platform is the only one I've seen with an editor for my RY30....that would be nice to have. I may be scanning eBay. >From: "Francois Rossi" >To: "Sgroup" >Subject: RE: sgroup Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: Extracting to a Mac from a >S-760 Syquest Drive >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:15:30 -0500 > > > >I've been using Alchemy 3.0 from the defunct Passport Systems, on my > >PowerMacs for years. I am still running System 7.6, so I don't know if > >Alchemy will run on OS9.x/10.x...but it's an excellent sample editor >also. > >I recently bought an old LC475 (040/33) to run older software with System >7.5.5 (free from Apple's web). With a 14" colour monitor and some software, >it only cost me UK30 ($50). It's a worthwhile investment if you have >Alchemy. I also use it with Galaxy as a patch librarian and editor. > >I'm thinking now of getting an Atari 1040ST to run older Midi software for >various modules I have. Some like the Yamaha RY30, can only be edited with >Atari software as the usual PC and Mac librarians/editors such as Midi >Quest, SoundDiver or Unisyn, do not cater for the RY30. Again, it shouldn't >break the bank. > >An old 486 PC may also be a good purchase if you can find SampleVision for >DOS to edit the S-330/S-550. > >Francois > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 12 15:34:07 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-16340>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:34:00 -0500 Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193722-16340>; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: <20030212203346.7565.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.181.52.151] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:33:46 GMT Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:33:46 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?kraftsman=20of=20music?= Subject: RE: sgroup Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: Extracting to a Mac from a S-760 Syquest Drive To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-471672053-1045082026=:7039" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --0-471672053-1045082026=:7039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >An old 486 PC may also be a good purchase if you can find SampleVision for >DOS to edit the S-330/S-550. > >Francois ...and anyone who wants SampleVison for DOS should click on the URL below and download it-; http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/dss-1/sv.htm Jason --------------------------------- With Yahoo! 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 >An old 486 PC may also be a good purchase if you can find SampleVision for
>DOS to edit the S-330/S-550.
>
>Francois

...and anyone who wants SampleVison for DOS should click on the URL below and download it-;

http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/dss-1/sv.htm

Jason

 

 


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--0-471672053-1045082026=:7039-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 13 01:03:30 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-4338>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:03:21 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.57]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4338>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:03:14 -0500 Received: from user-2init4p.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.116.153] helo=hoffman) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18jCSc-0007SD-00; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:03:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c2d325$5a13e860$997479a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "kraftsman of music" , References: <20030212203346.7565.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: Extracting to a Mac from a S-760 Syquest Drive Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:01:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2D2E2.3A4C0E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2D2E2.3A4C0E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SampleVision is a very good program for the S550. You can use it on a = modern PC (98se or older) by creating a separate partition running Dos = 5.0 or older with the old file directory system. You also probably need = a standard Midi card installed. Something that acts like the Roland MPU = card. My MTP unicorn doesn't do it. So you probably need a PC that = still has 1 ISA bus slot. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kraftsman of music=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: RE: sgroup Re: [RolandSamplers] Re: Extracting to a Mac from = a S-760 Syquest Drive >An old 486 PC may also be a good purchase if you can find = SampleVision for >DOS to edit the S-330/S-550. > >Francois ...and anyone who wants SampleVison for DOS should click on the URL = below and download it-;=20 http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/dss-1/sv.htm=20 Jason=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that = fits your needs ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2D2E2.3A4C0E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SampleVision is a very good program for the = S550.  You=20 can use it on a modern PC (98se or older) by creating a separate = partition=20 running Dos 5.0 or older with the old file directory system.  You = also=20 probably need a standard Midi card installed.  Something that acts = like the=20 Roland MPU card.  My MTP unicorn doesn't do it.  So you = probably need=20 a PC that still has 1 ISA bus slot.
 
Randy
 
 
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 >An old 486 PC may also be a good purchase if you can find = SampleVision for
>DOS to edit the=20 S-330/S-550.
>
>Francois

...and anyone who wants SampleVison for DOS should click on the URL = below=20 and download it-;=20

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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C2D2E2.3A4C0E60-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 13 10:39:49 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-4338>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:39:40 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f24.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.24]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4338>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:39:30 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:39:26 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.105 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:39:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.105] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup S550 CD ROMs, CD-5 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:39:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2003 15:39:26.0823 (UTC) FILETIME=[172D1F70:01C2D376] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk FYI (from telesisgear.com): ROLAND CD ROMS Preview, & Sampling Showcase CD-ROMs. For Roland & other samplers. $45.00ea ROLAND CD-5 CD Rom drv. for "S" samplers & ??? w/rk. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 13 14:22:29 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-4337>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:22:23 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4337>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:22:17 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18jOw3-00077U-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:22:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.60] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Thu Feb 13 14:22:15 EST 2003 Message-ID: <530363.1045164135914.JavaMail.nobody@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:23:35 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S550 CD ROMs, CD-5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Six Stringa wrote: > FYI (from telesisgear.com): > > ROLAND CD ROMS Preview, & Sampling Showcase CD-ROMs. For Roland & other > samplers. $45.00ea > ROLAND CD-5 CD Rom drv. for "S" samplers & ??? w/rk. This is just the old Roland CD-ROM drive for the S-550, right? It doesn't include the SCSI interface for the 550, does it? And as I've posted here many times before, the Roland Preview CD, which contains actual samples you can use in the your S-700 series sampler, used to be available for only $14.95 from Roland, an unbelievable value. There are some excellent samples on that CD. And the Sampling Showcase is just an audio CD, right? No samples in any format. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 13 14:30:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-4337>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:30:44 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f23.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.23]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4338>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:30:38 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:30:36 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.105 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:30:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.105] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S550 CD ROMs, CD-5 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:30:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2003 19:30:36.0524 (UTC) FILETIME=[62298AC0:01C2D396] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The SCSI interface, the HD-1F, is a separate item, as far as I remember. >From: Jesse Segovia >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: Re: sgroup S550 CD ROMs, CD-5 >Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:23:35 -0500 > >Six Stringa wrote: > > FYI (from telesisgear.com): > > > > ROLAND CD ROMS Preview, & Sampling Showcase CD-ROMs. For Roland & other > > samplers. $45.00ea > > ROLAND CD-5 CD Rom drv. for "S" samplers & ??? w/rk. > >This is just the old Roland CD-ROM drive for the S-550, right? It doesn't >include the SCSI interface for the 550, does it? > >And as I've posted here many times before, the Roland Preview CD, which >contains actual samples you can use in the your S-700 series sampler, used >to be available for only $14.95 from Roland, an unbelievable value. There >are some excellent samples on that CD. > >And the Sampling Showcase is just an audio CD, right? No samples in any >format. > >Jesse > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 13 21:03:09 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-4338>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:03:02 -0500 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.160.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4338>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:02:56 -0500 Received: from ABIT2K (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D59E3160000DD for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:02:53 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: "Roland S760 List" Subject: sgroup New Build 83 for Translator Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:02:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Well I just downloaded this latest update as I was led to believe this might be the promised 14 February release with the ability to translate to Roland format? I am not sure whether this is indeed the case because as usual the update info from Chicken Systems is missing (or at least I cannot find it) Logging on to their support page on their web site it tells me that the latest version is Build 64 - strange since I have already had build 79 installed for some months now from a previous official update...oh well... However I get the following error message when I try to patch; ----------cut---------- Patcher has found Translator, but it is not a (sic) official copy. Please observe the following solutions: You may have a temporary build of the program. If you think that is the case, please reinstall Translator from your original CD-ROM and try patching again. You may have download (sic) the wrong Patcher for your edition of the program. For example, if you have the Giga Edition, and you download the Full Edition patcher, it will not work. Go back to the Chicken Systems web site and download the correct patcher for your Translator edition. ----------cut---------- This is despite my having a genuine full version of Translator installed and authorised on my HD - has anyone else had this problem? As I said in a previous post I have had so many problems with Translator I grit my teeth whenever I feel the need to double-click the program icon...:-(( --- Regards, -=Glyn=- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 13 22:32:56 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-4337>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:32:48 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-4337>; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:32:45 -0500 Received: from epu1 (19.new-york-01rh16rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.161.19]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20030214033242112005gg23e>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:32:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c2d3d9$0639a400$13a1580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:27:37 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2D3AF.1CAAFA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2D3AF.1CAAFA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, With the amount of great sample CDs out there, and the fact that I'm in = the process of building a respectable library of some sorts, I've = decided that the amount of memory that I'm confined to use with my sole = S760 is extremely limited. This is why I've decided that at some point, = I'm gonna run out and buy a second S760 (when I run into some expendable = cash). With these library CDs, you can almost "build your own synth" - Sort of. = I'd love to be able to use one solely for percussion, and the other for = other important instruments. What do you think? Harold Everton, Jr. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2D3AF.1CAAFA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey All,
 
With the amount of great sample CDs out = there, and=20 the fact that I'm in the process of building a respectable library of = some=20 sorts, I've decided that the amount of memory that I'm confined to use = with my=20 sole S760 is extremely limited. This is why I've decided that at some = point, I'm=20 gonna run out and buy a second S760 (when I run into some expendable=20 cash).
 
With these library CDs, you can almost = "build your=20 own synth" - Sort of. I'd love to be able to use one solely for = percussion, and=20 the other for other important instruments.
 
What do you think?
Harold Everton, Jr.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2D3AF.1CAAFA60-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 14 01:13:57 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11849>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:13:48 -0500 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-11849>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:13:45 -0500 Received: from user-2inis4q.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.112.154] helo=hoffman) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18jZ6P-00014d-00; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:13:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c2d3ef$ce97e220$9a7079a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , References: <001301c2d3d9$0639a400$13a1580c@epu1> Subject: Re: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:10:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2D3AC.AEB61780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2D3AC.AEB61780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My plans exactly. I plan to replace my S750 with two S760's, so I can = run the 64MB version of Ultimate Piano. With the S760 becoming, more = and more, the best bargain on Ebay, it shouldn't be difficult to = accomplish this. What I am trying to do is get some chatter on the use of hardware = samplers like Roland and Akai vesus using GigaSampler or other PC based = samplers. Pro's and Con's. Has anybody in this group decided the way = to go is PC based samplers? If not, why not? Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:27 PM Subject: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? Hey All, With the amount of great sample CDs out there, and the fact that I'm = in the process of building a respectable library of some sorts, I've = decided that the amount of memory that I'm confined to use with my sole = S760 is extremely limited. This is why I've decided that at some point, = I'm gonna run out and buy a second S760 (when I run into some expendable = cash). With these library CDs, you can almost "build your own synth" - Sort = of. I'd love to be able to use one solely for percussion, and the other = for other important instruments. What do you think? Harold Everton, Jr. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2D3AC.AEB61780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My plans exactly.  I plan to replace my S750 = with two=20 S760's, so I can run the 64MB version of Ultimate Piano.  With the = S760=20 becoming, more and more, the best bargain on Ebay,  it shouldn't be = difficult to accomplish this.
 
What I am trying to do is get some chatter on the = use of=20 hardware samplers like Roland and Akai vesus using GigaSampler or other = PC based=20 samplers.  Pro's and Con's.  Has anybody in this group decided = the way=20 to go is PC based samplers?  If not, why not?
 
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.
Sent: Thursday, February 13, = 2003 7:27=20 PM
Subject: sgroup Future = Aspirations With=20 Your S760?

Hey All,
 
With the amount of great sample CDs = out there,=20 and the fact that I'm in the process of building a respectable library = of some=20 sorts, I've decided that the amount of memory that I'm confined to use = with my=20 sole S760 is extremely limited. This is why I've decided that at some = point,=20 I'm gonna run out and buy a second S760 (when I run into some = expendable=20 cash).
 
With these library CDs, you can = almost "build=20 your own synth" - Sort of. I'd love to be able to use one solely for=20 percussion, and the other for other important = instruments.
 
What do you think?
Harold Everton, Jr.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C2D3AC.AEB61780-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 14 01:41:05 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11848>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:40:57 -0500 Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.44]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193722-11848>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:40:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20030214064052.18178.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.179.39.71] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:40:52 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:40:52 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?kraftsman=20of=20music?= Subject: sgroup S-330/S-550 machines To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1726947911-1045204852=:18158" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --0-1726947911-1045204852=:18158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi everyone, my name is Jason, I'm from England - I spend a fair bit of my spare time putting together instrumental tracks. if there are any fellow Roland users that would like to talk about music in general, share ideas then hit me up. Anyone know anything about S-330/S-550 machines? please help. Jason --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs --0-1726947911-1045204852=:18158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi everyone, my name is Jason, I'm from England - I spend a fair bit of my spare time putting together instrumental tracks. if there are any fellow Roland users that would like to talk about music in general, share ideas then hit me up.

Anyone know anything about S-330/S-550 machines? please help.

Jason


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--0-1726947911-1045204852=:18158-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 14 08:21:30 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11849>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:21:22 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-11849>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:21:16 -0500 Received: from [80.46.167.99] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18jfm5-000BHj-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:21:06 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:22:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <000c01c2d3ef$ce97e220$9a7079a5@hoffman> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > With the S760 becoming, more and more, the best bargain on Ebay Indeed. I just can't believe how cheap it has become compared with used S-1000 or S-3000. > Has anybody in this group decided the way to go is PC based samplers? I though about this long and hard, but decided to wait a bit longer and invest in more hardware samplers. When you look at HAlion, Kontak or Gigasampler, you realise that: 1) They need a really fast machine with lots of memory and huge hard drives 2) They work really well when used on a dedicated machine. The cost of buying a new PC/Mac just for software sampling purposes was just too high for me compared with those eBay bargains. I got two S-330 and two S-760 for half the price of a new Pentium 4 2Ghz, and that's before having to buy the software sampler on top. I talked to various professionals who have Gigasampler in their studio. They all confirmed that Giga is only happy when the samples are on a dedicated hard drive. Saying that, they all said to be delighted with the results. I'm not sure I'd want to take a laptop and Giga for gigs though. With my current PIII-500, the only option would be Creamware PowerSampler. Glyn has one installed and is very happy with it, and I've read excellent reports from other sources as well. The PCI card is around UK349 new. As it is a hardware/software combination, the specs required as not as high as pure software samplers. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 14 10:50:38 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11848>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:50:30 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-11849>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:50:20 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <1V97G0PY>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:44:27 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C16AD@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:44:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I currently have a mish-mash of gear, including Roland S220, 330, 760 and Akai, and use Cubase on an older computer and a traditional studio sound system with 8 tracks of ADAT. With the various keyboards and instruments it all takes up way too much space. I intend to collapse everything into a much smaller computer-based system. I'll be looking into the software samplers but will likely keep the better Roland samplers, esp the 760. I don't know if the plug-in synths etc are any better than my real gear, but I'll find out before I scrap any of that. I've heard some good recordings done entirely with virtual instruments. But the main change will be Cubase SX with a MOTU and direct-to-HD recording. I am very interested in the software samplers, especially if they help reduce the clutter. I hear about latency problems, but don't know if such small delays are really detrimental. I have not heard that a software sampler would require it's own computer. Regardless, I think my 760 will be sticking around for a while. In conversations with Steinberg and Saved By Technology (Toronto music-Mac experts run by high school chum Jim Burgess) I learned that this type of setup should be stand-alone, and that music systems and SX especially don't like to share with Internet. Therefore it's better to have a separate computer for surfing etc. So I don't expect to work on music and manage a website on the same computer....this doesn't bother me at all, as any cheap computer will surf. I suppose in this two-computer scenario one could be used as a file server and be connected together with the other. Now a question: If I wanted to use this future setup for mix-down, is there a flat sound system available for computer that is up to the task? The regular sound systems are nice but the speakers need to have flat response to do the task. Any comments or recommendations on this? I don't wish to have to use a separate sound system for mixing. >-----Original Message----- >From: Francois Rossi [mailto:francois@chezrossi.net] >> Has anybody in this group decided the way to go is PC based samplers? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 14 12:38:40 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193724-11849>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:38:32 -0500 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.110]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-11849>; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:38:22 -0500 Received: from user-2initdh.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.117.177] helo=hoffman) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18jjmc-00021U-00; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:37:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c2d44f$986117c0$b17579a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Francois Rossi" , "Sgroup" References: Subject: Re: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:35:52 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I would think that with a software sampler, If I was a musician on the road, that I would only feel safe, If the PC was a true embedded PC. If the power glitched or PC froze, you could reset and the embedded PC would recover without all the reboot time, and continue playing. Isn't anyone concerned with stage performanece problems? Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Francois Rossi To: Sgroup Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 5:22 AM Subject: RE: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? > > > With the S760 becoming, more and more, the best bargain on Ebay > > Indeed. I just can't believe how cheap it has become compared with used > S-1000 or S-3000. > > > Has anybody in this group decided the way to go is PC based samplers? > > I though about this long and hard, but decided to wait a bit longer and > invest in more hardware samplers. When you look at HAlion, Kontak or > Gigasampler, you realise that: > > 1) They need a really fast machine with lots of memory and huge hard drives > > 2) They work really well when used on a dedicated machine. > > The cost of buying a new PC/Mac just for software sampling purposes was just > too high for me compared with those eBay bargains. I got two S-330 and two > S-760 for half the price of a new Pentium 4 2Ghz, and that's before having > to buy the software sampler on top. > > I talked to various professionals who have Gigasampler in their studio. They > all confirmed that Giga is only happy when the samples are on a dedicated > hard drive. Saying that, they all said to be delighted with the results. > > I'm not sure I'd want to take a laptop and Giga for gigs though. > > With my current PIII-500, the only option would be Creamware PowerSampler. > Glyn has one installed and is very happy with it, and I've read excellent > reports from other sources as well. The PCI card is around UK349 new. As it > is a hardware/software combination, the specs required as not as high as > pure software samplers. > > Francois > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 15 15:35:28 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10208>; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:35:21 -0500 Received: from ravensgarage.com (askuse.ody.ca [216.240.7.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10209>; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:35:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.4] by [192.168.1.3] with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for Mac 3.0.1); 15-Feb-2003 15:34:42 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:34:39 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? From: Dr Raven To: S Group Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c2d44f$986117c0$b17579a5@hoffman> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On 2/14/03 12:35 PM, you wrote: > I would think that with a software sampler, If I was a musician on the > road, that I would only feel safe, If the PC was a true embedded PC. If > the power glitched or PC froze, you could reset and the embedded PC would > recover without all the reboot time, and continue playing. Isn't anyone > concerned with stage performanece problems? > > Randy Absolutely, and the only real solution is redundancy. But the budget of a working musician comes into play as well, so unless you're Rush and can afford two 24U racks full of samplers and synths then you're probably going to live with the risk of owning just one device per task instead of two. In the past, using a PC or Mac (or Atari for that matter) on the road was a little too risky. Floppy disks and lots of speakers with big magnets in an unstable environment aren't a good mix. But as the stability of personal computers has improved over the last 5 years I've seen more and more live concerts with laptops at the sound board or stacked on top of a keyboard player's rack. Keeping the song data on an external hard drive or CD instead of on floppies, using hot-swappable firewire drives for backup and using a UPS to handle surges and dips has led to more people trusting their computers for live stage work. It can still be a risky move of course, considering how hard drives can still crash and data can be lost, but when you consider that in the past some synthesizer players used to haul modular Moogs around on tour that would need tuning whenever the temperature rose or fell a degree, then maybe a personal computer isn't such a gamble. But having said that, IMHO synth and sample modules/keyboards are still more reliable than a computer. Fewer moving parts, faster boot up time, a dedicated function which means fewer things for the processor to get distracted by all adds up to a device that should perform it's dedicated function night after night in almost any environment. But like any electronic device a synth or sample module can go south just as fast as a computer. Still, when was the last time you saw a concert that had to be stopped because a keyboard broke down? Andy Skuse -- Raven's Garage - www.ravensgarage.com "All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand." - Anon - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 15 22:25:45 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10208>; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:25:41 -0500 Received: from siaab1ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10208>; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:25:25 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaab1ab.compuserve.com (8.12.7/8.12.7/SUN-2.4) id h1G3PEiY024228 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:25:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:24:57 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200302152225_MC3-1-2A87-A22B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >recover without all the reboot time, and continue playing. Isn't anyone= >concerned with stage performanece problems? I am concerenced. My zip drive on my s760 crashed right before a live sho= w I had flown across the country to do last night. Not very good. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 15 22:36:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-10209>; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:36:42 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.21]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-10209>; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:36:31 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:36:29 -0800 Received: from 159.142.158.78 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 03:36:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.142.158.78] From: "Six Stringa" To: skylab2000@compuserve.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:36:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2003 03:36:29.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[97BFF840:01C2D56C] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk ouch!.... >From: dennis barton >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:24:57 -0500 > > >recover without all the reboot time, and continue playing. Isn't anyone > >concerned with stage performanece problems? > >I am concerenced. My zip drive on my s760 crashed right before a live show >I had flown across the country to do last night. Not very good. > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 16 00:02:50 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-9750>; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:02:43 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-9751>; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:02:33 -0500 Received: from rickearn ([151.201.232.155]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20030216050230.TXQQ23484.out001.verizon.net@rickearn> for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:02:30 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c2d591$d4fb2c00$641dfea9@rickearn> From: "Richard Earnhardt" To: References: <200302152225_MC3-1-2A87-A22B@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 03:03:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Richard Earnhardt" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [151.201.232.155] at Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:02:29 -0600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk DAMAGE CONTROL I don't know much about how everyone uses their samplers live - but I have seriously been considering making an audio cd backup of my sequences - not that I'd ever want to use them, but if worst came to worst, (and it sounds like a few of you know that it can and does), it could save a night. Many of my samples are the "meat" of the song - drum loops pulled from original cd's, etc. Maybe record a click track to the right channel and the mix to the left? I've always had back-up disks, a set on me, and I always have had a second set with someone else in the group. (I like to cover my forgetful tracks). The group I'm getting ready to work with DOES use mini-disc backups, which make more sense than cd's, since there is always the skip factor with the bass put out by large subs. I remember playing cds between sets, with a cd player that had a three second (and 3x) read-ahead skip filter, and it still would skip. I finally set the cd player on a foam pad, which eliminated the problem. My two cents. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "dennis barton" To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? >recover without all the reboot time, and continue playing. Isn't anyone >concerned with stage performanece problems? I am concerenced. My zip drive on my s760 crashed right before a live show I had flown across the country to do last night. Not very good. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 16 15:08:57 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-9751>; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:08:50 -0500 Received: from siaab2ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.130]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-9751>; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:08:44 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaab2ab.compuserve.com (8.12.7/8.12.7/SUN-2.4) id h1GK8dGO020569 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:08:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:08:12 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200302161508_MC3-1-2A27-9AF8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >I am concerenced. My zip drive on my s760 crashed right before a live sh= ow >I had flown across the country to do last night. Not very good. I guess I should add to the story in that I had a full set of backups on floppy that got me going and the show went fine. It's quite slow loading 16 disks but better than no show. Backups are essential with anything. |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 17 10:27:11 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-11353>; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:27:04 -0500 Received: from BIE14s.brother.co.uk (bie14s.brother.co.uk [195.226.51.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-11353>; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:26:53 -0500 Received: by BIE14s.brother.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:18:39 -0000 Message-ID: <7E444F72B4CAB946A4389714E9FBBD9401D01D29@BIE14s.brother.co.uk> From: Steven Downhill To: "SGROUP (E-mail)" Subject: sgroup Re: S760 Monitor Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:18:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi eveybody, I managed to get hold of a Philips CM8833 Mk2 monitor off a car boot sale the other day for use with my Roland S760. I was told when I bought it that although it powered on no picture was displayed (which is true). However, I only paid 1UK Ģ for it, so I'm not complaining. Does anybody out there have any service notes/manuals for this monitor so that I can attempt to repair it?. Alas, my Dad has thrown out any information he had for this model a number of years ago. (He was a TV/Video service engineer for about 25 years). Regards Steven IMPORTANT NOTICE The contents of this email are confidential and are for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that, although this email has been virus-checked, neither Brother International Europe Ltd nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and attachments (if any). If you believe you have received this communication in error, please return it (with the title "received in error") to the sender then delete the email and destroy any copies of it. We would be grateful if you would also copy the communication to ITHelpdesk@brother.co.uk Please see www.brother.co.uk for more information - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 18 13:11:32 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16640>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:11:28 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl ([194.151.104.183]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16640>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:11:21 -0500 Received: from ptr ([195.121.148.138]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:13:12 +0100 Message-ID: <005801c2d779$7c01c2a0$8a9479c3@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: <200302152225_MC3-1-2A87-A22B@compuserve.com> <000d01c2d591$d4fb2c00$641dfea9@rickearn> Subject: Re: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:03:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Assembling a rack for live use, I went for the cheap but cheerful Peavey DPM-SP (32 MB, 1HE, 4 outs). It may not have all bells & whistles (it doesn't) but it's enough for what we need. So I settled for a decent sampler which can be had for a good price 2nd hand and simply bought one more. Combined with a Zip100 and a CD-drive _and_ the ability to load everything from a pile of spanned floppies, I think we have a backup-scenario. The Akai S2000 might be such a candidate as well, and I understand the S-760 is entering this region as well. Of course one can get too paranoid about this, but indeed, his 'hi-tech' stuff is something else compared to guitars & amps. Bye, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Earnhardt To: Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Future Aspirations With Your S760? > DAMAGE CONTROL > > I don't know much about how everyone uses their samplers live - but I have > seriously been considering making an audio cd backup of my sequences - not > that I'd ever want to use them, but if worst came to worst, (and it sounds > like a few of you know that it can and does), it could save a night. Many > of my samples are the "meat" of the song - drum loops pulled from original > cd's, etc. Maybe record a click track to the right channel and the mix to > the left? I've always had back-up disks, a set on me, and I always have had > a second set with someone else in the group. (I like to cover my forgetful > tracks). > > The group I'm getting ready to work with DOES use mini-disc backups, which > make more sense than cd's, since there is always the skip factor with the > bass put out by large subs. I remember playing cds between sets, with a cd > player that had a three second (and 3x) read-ahead skip filter, and it still > would skip. I finally set the cd player on a foam pad, which eliminated the > problem. > > My two cents. > > Rick > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 18 16:37:12 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16641>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:37:04 -0500 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16641>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:37:00 -0500 Received: from wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.41]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18lFQB-0008Kv-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:36:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.60] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Tue Feb 18 16:36:59 EST 2003 Message-ID: <474696.1045604219137.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:38:22 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Acoustic Piano Samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk zZounds now has the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD on sale for $79.95. Doesn't this CD contains acoustic piano samples? Is there anything else on this CD that isn't on the Drums & Cymbals and Guitar & Bass CDs? Roland LCDX01 Rhythm Section Instruments Sample Disc (Factory Re-Sealed) Only $79.95 -- Save 59% -- More than $115 Off! http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.ROLLCDX01NFS&a=em021803b19 Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 18 16:49:27 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16640>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:49:18 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16640>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:49:11 -0500 Received: from [80.46.149.26] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18lFbt-000FSK-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:49:06 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup Acoustic Piano Samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:50:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <474696.1045604219137.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Doesn't this CD contains acoustic piano samples? > Roland LCDX01 Rhythm Section Instruments Sample Disc... The LCDX01 is made of the LCPD01 (Drums & Perc) and LCDP02 (Guitar & Bass) combined. So you'd get two of the classic Roland library for $80. Not bad. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 18 16:58:31 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16640>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:58:24 -0500 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16641>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:58:09 -0500 Received: from wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.41]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18lFkc-0001Qv-00; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:58:06 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.59] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Tue Feb 18 16:58:06 EST 2003 Message-ID: <1422531.1045605486607.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:59:30 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: Francois Rossi , Sgroup Subject: Re: RE: sgroup Acoustic Piano Samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk From: Francois Rossi > The LCDX01 is made of the LCPD01 (Drums & Perc) and LCDP02 (Guitar & Bass) > combined. So you'd get two of the classic Roland library for $80. Not bad. True, but I already have these two CDs. Didn't someone on list say there are lots of Roland acoustic piano samples, a Steinway D9, a Yamaha C11 or something and some RD piano and electric piano samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? If not there, where are they? They're not on the Keyboards of the 60s and 70s CDs. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 18 20:15:46 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16641>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:15:39 -0500 Received: from siaag2ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.132]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16641>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:15:28 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ab.compuserve.com (8.12.7/8.12.7/SUN-2.4) id h1J1FQjK005141 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:15:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:15:14 -0500 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup zip 250 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200302182015_MC3-1-2B00-4E0D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Anyone have any real knowledge of whether the SCSI zip 250s are more reliable than the zip 100s? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 18 20:19:12 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16640>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:19:05 -0500 Received: from mail.cwjamaica.com (zeus.cwjamaica.com [200.10.152.51]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16640>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:18:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.201] ([208.138.28.246]) by mail.cwjamaica.com with ESMTP id <20030219012004.HYSA3410.mail@[208.138.28.246]>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:20:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp//richardsven.com@pop3.postoffice.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200302182015_MC3-1-2B00-4E0D@compuserve.com> References: <200302182015_MC3-1-2B00-4E0D@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:18:44 -0500 To: dennis barton , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup zip 250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 8:15 PM -0500 18/2/2003, dennis barton wrote: >Anyone have any real knowledge of whether the SCSI zip 250s are more >reliable than the zip 100s? not really, but I have a 250 that has never given me problems in the over two years since I have had it, I have a zip 100 that gave occasionally problems.... plus it may exist, but I haven't seen any click of death reports on the 250. like I said they may be out there, I just haven't seen any. rsp -- richard sven patterson rsp@richardsven.com 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-7999 (fax) and the analytical way" - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 18 20:30:01 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16641>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:29:56 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16641>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:29:40 -0500 Received: from [80.46.149.26] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18lJ3J-0008nn-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:29:37 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup zip 250 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:31:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I have a zip 100 that gave occasionally problems.... I had to have my first external scsi zip changed by Iomega in 1996 and never had any problem after that. I've got two internal ATA as well on my Mac and PC. No probs. I assume all the click of death models must have been changed by now. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 18 20:58:05 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16640>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:57:59 -0500 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.226]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16640>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:57:43 -0500 Received: from user-2initmm.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.118.214] helo=hoffman) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18lJUO-0004rI-00; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:57:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c2d7b9$f96591a0$d67679a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Jesse Segovia" , "Francois Rossi" , "Sgroup" References: <1422531.1045605486607.JavaMail.nobody@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: RE: sgroup Acoustic Piano Samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:54:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The CD has Yamaha YC7, Steinway, Pop, and Electric piano's, and Rhodes. The quality is good. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: Francois Rossi ; Sgroup Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Re: RE: sgroup Acoustic Piano Samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? > From: Francois Rossi > > The LCDX01 is made of the LCPD01 (Drums & Perc) and LCDP02 (Guitar & Bass) > > combined. So you'd get two of the classic Roland library for $80. Not bad. > > True, but I already have these two CDs. Didn't someone on list say there are lots of Roland acoustic piano samples, a Steinway D9, a Yamaha C11 or something and some RD piano and electric piano samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? If not there, where are they? They're not on the Keyboards of the 60s and 70s CDs. > > Jesse > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 19 01:17:47 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20858>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:17:40 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.57]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20858>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:17:34 -0500 Received: from wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.42]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18lNXv-0007oQ-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:17:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.59] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Feb 19 01:17:31 EST 2003 Message-ID: <7816815.1045635451199.JavaMail.nobody@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:21:01 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: Randy Hoffman , Jesse Segovia , Francois Rossi , Sgroup Subject: RE: sgroup Acoustic Piano Samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk -------Original Message------- From: Randy Hoffman > The CD has Yamaha YC7, Steinway, Pop, and Electric piano's, and Rhodes. > The quality is good. Really? I know I've heard that on this list before but the Roland web site says the Rhythm Instruments CD is just the Drums & Cymbals CD plus the Guitar and Bass CD; it's even got the pictures from those two CDs on the cover. There's nothing in the web site about any keyboards on that CD. Do you have the booklet that comes with the CD? Can you describe what it says for Keyboard volume and patches? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 19 01:34:32 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20858>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:34:25 -0500 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.246]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20859>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:34:15 -0500 Received: from user-2inis4m.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.112.150] helo=hoffman) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18lNnw-000561-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:34:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c2d7e0$8efbada0$ba7479a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Jesse Segovia" , "Francois Rossi" , "Sgroup" Cc: References: <7816815.1045635451199.JavaMail.nobody@wamui04.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: sgroup Acoustic Piano Samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:31:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk The back cover says 1001 patches, Drum: Cymbal and Drum Kits/ Drum Machines and Acoustic Drums/ Acoustic, Electric, and Synthsyzed Basses/ Guitar FX/ Acoustic and Electric Pianos/ A wide variety of percussive instruments/ .... etc. I believe this is the CD that may have come with the S760 Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Segovia To: Randy Hoffman ; Jesse Segovia ; Francois Rossi ; Sgroup Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: RE: sgroup Acoustic Piano Samples on the Roland Rhythm Instruments CD? > -------Original Message------- > From: Randy Hoffman > > The CD has Yamaha YC7, Steinway, Pop, and Electric piano's, and Rhodes. > > The > quality is good. > > Really? I know I've heard that on this list before but the Roland web site says the Rhythm Instruments CD is just the Drums & Cymbals CD plus the Guitar and Bass CD; it's even got the pictures from those two CDs on the cover. There's nothing in the web site about any keyboards on that CD. > > Do you have the booklet that comes with the CD? Can you describe what it says for Keyboard volume and patches? > > Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 19 13:51:03 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-20859>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:50:55 -0500 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20859>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:50:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18lZIk-0001UX-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:50:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.61] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Feb 19 13:50:38 EST 2003 Message-ID: <7654755.1045680638413.JavaMail.nobody@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:52:02 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Roland Sample Archives Series CDs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ah, that's a different CD. For whatever strange and inexplicable reason, it looks like Roland has had three completely different series of sample CDs, the individual ones like Super Sax and Drums & Cymbals, the compilations which each include two, three or four CDs worth of samples, and the Sample Archives series which it seems have lots more samples available. There doesn't seem to be any way to buy the Sample Archives series CDs anymore. Does anyone know how to get them? Jesse Randy Hoffman wrote: > It says on front L-CD701 > > Rhythm Section Vol. 1 > > Roland Sample Archive > > SV-S770-01 > > no picture. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 19 15:38:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20858>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:38:31 -0500 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20858>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:38:20 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.44] (helo=wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18layu-0007Wi-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:38:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.60] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Feb 19 15:38:15 EST 2003 Message-ID: <2870021.1045687095648.JavaMail.nobody@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:39:38 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Access VIRUS B or Novation K-Station Sample CD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk There's a company that advertises two very inexpensive Akai S-1000 format sample CDs on ebay, one for the Access VIRUS B and one for the Novation K-Station: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=avatarspace&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 I figured for $20 to $25 you can't go wrong. I can always use interesting analog synth samples, so why not? Does anyone who's familiar with these two synths have any recommendations about which one I should try? I'd go for the cheaper one, the K-Station for $20, but I just wondered if anyone thought the VIRUS was a much better machine. Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 19 15:51:32 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20859>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:51:24 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl ([194.151.104.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20859>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:51:14 -0500 Received: from ptr ([195.121.150.30]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:52:27 +0100 Message-ID: <004201c2d858$e280aac0$1e9679c3@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: "Sgroup" References: Subject: Re: sgroup zip 250 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:52:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I assume all the click of death models must have been changed by now. Is there perhaps some info around about which serial number ranges or production dates are more prone to the Click of Death ? As I understood it it was just because of the Zip-concept itself, but of course I'd be glad to be proven wrong (_and_ see that my Zip-100 drives are outside the danger-ranges...) Thanks, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Francois Rossi To: Sgroup Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:31 AM Subject: RE: sgroup zip 250 > > > > I have a zip 100 that gave occasionally problems.... > > I had to have my first external scsi zip changed by Iomega in 1996 and never > had any problem after that. I've got two internal ATA as well on my Mac and > PC. No probs. > > I assume all the click of death models must have been changed by now. > > Francois > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 19 15:57:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20858>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:57:42 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.31]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20858>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:57:39 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:57:34 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.100 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:57:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.100] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup zip 250 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:57:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2003 20:57:34.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[86E552A0:01C2D859] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Try these: http://www.go.to/iomegano http://members.aol.com/zipcod1/Zip.html http://grc.com/tip/clickdeath.htm - d'load Trouble In Paradise (click of death predictor sw) Cheers, D >From: "P. Vermeeren" >To: "Sgroup" >Subject: Re: sgroup zip 250 >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:52:56 -0500 > > > I assume all the click of death models must have been changed by now. > >Is there perhaps some info around about which serial number ranges or >production dates are more prone to the Click of Death ? > >As I understood it it was just because of the Zip-concept itself, but of >course >I'd be glad to be proven wrong (_and_ see that my Zip-100 drives are >outside >the danger-ranges...) > >Thanks, > > Peter > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Francois Rossi >To: Sgroup >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:31 AM >Subject: RE: sgroup zip 250 > > > > > > > > > I have a zip 100 that gave occasionally problems.... > > > > I had to have my first external scsi zip changed by Iomega in 1996 and >never > > had any problem after that. I've got two internal ATA as well on my Mac >and > > PC. No probs. > > > > I assume all the click of death models must have been changed by now. > > > > Francois > > > > > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 19 16:31:36 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20859>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:31:27 -0500 Received: from VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20859>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:31:24 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([24.200.82.94]) by VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.10 (built Jan 23 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HAK000K0RULEO@VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca> for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:32:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:31:10 -0500 From: "R.Lemay" Subject: Re: sgroup zip 250 In-reply-to: <200302182015_MC3-1-2B00-4E0D@compuserve.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk on 18/02/03 20:15, [NAME] at [ADDRESS] wrote: > > Anyone have any real knowledge of whether the SCSI zip 250s are more > reliable than the zip 100s? > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > I had a built-in Zip 100 in a Mac and it had the Click Of Death fault. I would never trust that second class hardware again. In fact I pulled the one I had in my other G3. Hard drives, the normal kind, is fine with me as well as CD drives. I had a Syquest EZ130 taht broke also but it was only a mechanical problem and the data was not wasted as in the %?&?$ Iomega zip. I also had an EZFlyer 230 from Syquest that was good. Syquest's technology is more "conventionnal". If you do decide to go the zip way, make sure you keep a back-up on cd or hard drive. Crapy after-sale service at Iomega. On an off-topic note, would anybody have an idea as to where one could find a sample of a large jet landing as in Back in the USSR (Beatles)? Tx Richard - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 19 19:33:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-20859>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:33:46 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-20859>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:33:36 -0500 Received: from epu1 (56.new-york-19rh16rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.197.56]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003022000333011100fvl2be>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:33:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2d876$f66a5720$38c5580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:28:15 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D84D.0CD40C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D84D.0CD40C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Everyone, When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, = pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities = end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was = seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left = wondering if my RAM is bad, or whether this problem is inherent of all = Roland S760s.=20 Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click = everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples = don't even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a = couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to = affect many long decaying samples. It's driving me mad! Thanks, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D84D.0CD40C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Everyone,
 
When playing samples which use long = decay times=20 (such as cymbals, pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at = certain=20 velocities end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem = was=20 seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left = wondering if my=20 RAM is bad, or whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s.=20
 
Has anyone ever had this problem? It's = always the=20 same type of click everytime. It's never on all samples or all = velocities. Some=20 samples don't even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, = or a=20 couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to = affect many=20 long decaying samples. It's driving me mad!
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D84D.0CD40C60-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 09:53:45 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:53:37 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:53:30 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:52:36 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C16D7@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:53:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2D8EF.C7F23D80" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D8EF.C7F23D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Some suggestions: The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample at a different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample entirely. Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive or negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient or glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally generated by the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?) A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole sample) wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a sequencer I will move the start point of the note, or change the duration, keeping the edit small so it's not critical. From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Hey Everyone, When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad, or whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s. Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples don't even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect many long decaying samples. It's driving me mad! Thanks, Harold ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D8EF.C7F23D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Some suggestions:
The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample at a different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample entirely.
Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive or negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient or glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally generated by the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?)
A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole sample) wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a sequencer I will move the start point of the note, or change the duration, keeping the edit small so it's not critical.
 
 
From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples

Hey Everyone,
 
When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad, or whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s.
 
Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples don't even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect many long decaying samples. It's driving me mad!
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D8EF.C7F23D80-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 10:27:06 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:26:58 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:26:55 -0500 Received: from epu1 (104.new-york-02rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.162.104]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003022015264311100hc0dqe>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:26:44 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c2d8f3$c06e45a0$68a2580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: References: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C16D7@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:21:32 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2D8C9.D7012DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2D8C9.D7012DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, Thanks for the prompt reply. I've experimented with changing decay times = when recording cymbal samples for example. The only problem which may = arise, would be the unnatural sound of a cymbal sample whose decay has = been cut short - In short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded = samples, such as those on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could do = about it, but put up with it.=20 I'm extremely taken by the fact that no one has bought this subject up. = I refuse to believe that this is a problem in only my S760. Thanks, Harold Everton, Jr. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca=20 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca=20 Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Some suggestions: The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample = at a different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample = entirely. Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive = or negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient = or glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally = generated by the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?) A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole = sample) wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a = sequencer I will move the start point of the note, or change the = duration, keeping the edit small so it's not critical. =20 =20 From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Hey Everyone, When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, = pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities = end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was = seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left = wondering if my RAM is bad, or whether this problem is inherent of all = Roland S760s.=20 Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click = everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples = don't even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a = couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to = affect many long decaying samples. It's driving me mad! Thanks, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2D8C9.D7012DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
Thanks for the prompt reply. I've = experimented with=20 changing decay times when recording cymbal samples for example. The only = problem=20 which may arise, would be the unnatural sound of a cymbal sample whose = decay has=20 been cut short - In short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded = samples, such as those on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could do = about=20 it, but put up with it.
 
I'm extremely taken by the fact that no = one has=20 bought this subject up. I refuse to believe that this is a problem in = only my=20 S760.
 
Thanks,
Harold Everton, Jr.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Sent: Thursday, February 20, = 2003 9:53=20 AM
Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and = Pops on=20 Samples

Some=20 suggestions:
The odd time=20 I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample at a = different spot=20 or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample=20 entirely.
Maybe it has=20 something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive or = negative) at=20 the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient = or=20 glitch may have been recorded with the sample or = accidentally generated=20 by the sampler. (Maybe the connections are=20 noisy?)
A = cymbal would=20 usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole sample) wheras a = piano=20 would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a sequencer I will move = the=20 start point of the note, or change the duration, keeping the edit = small so=20 it's not critical.
 
 
From:=20 Harold Everton, Jr. = [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM
To:=20 sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on=20 Samples

Hey Everyone,
 
When playing samples which use long = decay times=20 (such as cymbals, pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes = at=20 certain velocities end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay. = this=20 problem was seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. = I'm left=20 wondering if my RAM is bad, or whether this problem is inherent of = all=20 Roland S760s.
 
Has anyone ever had this problem? = It's always=20 the same type of click everytime. It's never on all samples or all=20 velocities. Some samples don't even have the problem. However, this = is not=20 just one CD, or a couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This = problem=20 seems to affect many long decaying samples. It's driving me=20 mad!
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C2D8C9.D7012DC0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 10:41:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:41:30 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24897>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:41:26 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:40:32 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C16D8@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:40:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2D8F6.69D275B0" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D8F6.69D275B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Yes I agree with the comment on cymbals etc with short decay times, but many "canned" percussion modules etc have really short decay times. It eats lots of polyphony to have long decay times, so I keep it to what I can live with. A couple of ms won't be noticeable and if you're lucky that last ms is where the glitch resides. In conclusion I was usually able to remove the offending noise. All I can say is keep editing or redo it. Also, I've had this affect using other samplers, not just the 760. Again, edit edit edit...or redo. I've found even a small glitch can be quite noticeable, especially when the sample is dying away. As an aside, one of my older synths, a Casio CZ5000 will make a loud pop sometimes when a note-off is received from my sequencer (Cubase). I haven't been able to overcome this yet, I move the notes then it's ok, but when the sequence is started from the beginning it will do it again to different notes, so it's unpredictable. -----Original Message----- From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:22 AM To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Greetings, Thanks for the prompt reply. I've experimented with changing decay times when recording cymbal samples for example. The only problem which may arise, would be the unnatural sound of a cymbal sample whose decay has been cut short - In short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded samples, such as those on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could do about it, but put up with it. I'm extremely taken by the fact that no one has bought this subject up. I refuse to believe that this is a problem in only my S760. Thanks, Harold Everton, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Some suggestions: The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample at a different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample entirely. Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive or negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient or glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally generated by the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?) A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole sample) wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a sequencer I will move the start point of the note, or change the duration, keeping the edit small so it's not critical. From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Hey Everyone, When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad, or whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s. Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples don't even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect many long decaying samples. It's driving me mad! Thanks, Harold ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D8F6.69D275B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Yes I agree with the comment on cymbals etc with short decay times, but many "canned" percussion modules etc have really short decay times. It eats lots of polyphony to have long decay times, so I keep it to what I can live with. A couple of ms won't be noticeable and if you're lucky that last ms is where the glitch resides. In conclusion I was usually able to remove the offending noise. All I can say is keep editing or redo it. Also, I've had this affect using other samplers, not just the 760. Again, edit edit edit...or redo.
I've found even a small glitch can be quite noticeable, especially when the sample is dying away.
 
As an aside, one of my older synths, a Casio CZ5000 will make a loud pop sometimes when a note-off is received from my sequencer (Cubase). I haven't been able to overcome this yet, I move the notes then it's ok, but when the sequence is started from the beginning it will do it again to different notes, so it's unpredictable.
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:22 AM
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples

Greetings,
 
Thanks for the prompt reply. I've experimented with changing decay times when recording cymbal samples for example. The only problem which may arise, would be the unnatural sound of a cymbal sample whose decay has been cut short - In short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded samples, such as those on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could do about it, but put up with it.
 
I'm extremely taken by the fact that no one has bought this subject up. I refuse to believe that this is a problem in only my S760.
 
Thanks,
Harold Everton, Jr.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples

Some suggestions:
The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample at a different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample entirely.
Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive or negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient or glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally generated by the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?)
A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole sample) wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a sequencer I will move the start point of the note, or change the duration, keeping the edit small so it's not critical.
 

From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples

Hey Everyone,
 
When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad, or whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s.
 
Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples don't even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect many long decaying samples. It's driving me mad!
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D8F6.69D275B0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 10:45:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-24897>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:45:45 -0500 Received: from web80009.mail.yahoo.com ([66.163.168.139]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193722-24897>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <20030220154523.78026.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.22.158.81] by web80009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:45:23 PST Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:45:23 -0500 From: omz Reply-To: omz@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca In-Reply-To: <001a01c2d8f3$c06e45a0$68a2580c@epu1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have experienced clicks at the end of samples since my S-50 days. The only way to get rid of them is to play with the end time of the sample. You can usually find a sweet spot where there is no click. --- "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > Greetings, > > Thanks for the prompt reply. I've experimented with changing decay times when > recording cymbal samples for example. The only problem which may arise, would > be the unnatural sound of a cymbal sample whose decay has been cut short - In > short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded samples, such as those > on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could do about it, but put up with > it. > > I'm extremely taken by the fact that no one has bought this subject up. I > refuse to believe that this is a problem in only my S760. > > Thanks, > Harold Everton, Jr. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:53 AM > Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > > > Some suggestions: > The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample at a > different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample entirely. > Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive or > negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient or > glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally generated by > the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?) > A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole sample) > wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a sequencer I > will move the start point of the note, or change the duration, keeping the > edit small so it's not critical. > > > From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > > > Hey Everyone, > > When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, pianos, > etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities end with > clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was seriously bugging me > ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad, or > whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s. > > Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click > everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples don't > even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a couple of > samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect many long > decaying samples. It's driving me mad! > > Thanks, > Harold > > ===== ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 11:34:23 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:34:20 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:34:09 -0500 Received: from rickearn ([151.201.233.211]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20030220163250.XNPO7113.pop015.verizon.net@rickearn> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:32:50 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c2d915$b457f8c0$641dfea9@rickearn> From: "Richard Earnhardt" To: References: <20030220154523.78026.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:24:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Richard Earnhardt" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [151.201.233.211] at Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:32:50 -0600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I agree with "omz". For some reason, just changing the truncate spot - (on an S-50) from, say, 24,000 to 23,999 will get rid of the pop. If it doesn't, then I keep moving back in small increments, and usually, it does not effect the decay of the sample since these are VERY small increments. I should say, on the other hand, that I got an S-550 and converted a 2 measure loop, and up popped a whopping nasty click that makes the sample NOT work - and this I cannot make go away by changing the truncate spot. It seems to be something else that happened in the conversion. Best of luck - Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "omz" To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:45 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > I have experienced clicks at the end of samples since my S-50 days. The only > way to get rid of them is to play with the end time of the sample. You can > usually find a sweet spot where there is no click. > > > --- "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > Thanks for the prompt reply. I've experimented with changing decay times when > > recording cymbal samples for example. The only problem which may arise, would > > be the unnatural sound of a cymbal sample whose decay has been cut short - In > > short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded samples, such as those > > on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could do about it, but put up with > > it. > > > > I'm extremely taken by the fact that no one has bought this subject up. I > > refuse to believe that this is a problem in only my S760. > > > > Thanks, > > Harold Everton, Jr. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:53 AM > > Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > > > > > > Some suggestions: > > The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample at a > > different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample entirely. > > Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive or > > negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient or > > glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally generated by > > the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?) > > A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole sample) > > wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a sequencer I > > will move the start point of the note, or change the duration, keeping the > > edit small so it's not critical. > > > > > > From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > > > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, pianos, > > etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities end with > > clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was seriously bugging me > > ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad, or > > whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s. > > > > Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click > > everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples don't > > even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a couple of > > samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect many long > > decaying samples. It's driving me mad! > > > > Thanks, > > Harold > > > > > > > ===== > ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- > omz > beautamous loaf recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 13:04:27 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:04:27 -0500 Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:04:11 -0500 Received: from rickearn ([151.201.233.211]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20030220180403.UWLH3094.out003.verizon.net@rickearn> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:04:03 -0600 Message-ID: <00ad01c2d922$589265e0$641dfea9@rickearn> From: "Richard Earnhardt" To: Subject: Fw: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:55:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2D8DF.482535E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Richard Earnhardt" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [151.201.233.211] at Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:04:03 -0600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2D8DF.482535E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harold,=20 If this is something that has just popped up (no pun intended) on = samples that played perfectly before, then I would suggest that you DO = have a different problem. FWIW, I more or less trashed an S-50 because = of a relay on the jack board that went bad. It started small, with pops = and volume changes, but has progressed past the point of being useful to = me anymore. I replaced the whole unit since I could not find a jack = board for sale. If you're getting clicks on all your samples, I = wouldn't waste your time truncating all the partials - I would have it = (the hardware) looked at. Rick ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Harold Everton, Jr.=20 To: Richard Earnhardt=20 Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Hey All, All of what everyone said was great advice. The applications mentioned = were great for drum samples for example. In those cases, I've been able = to get rid of them very easy. However, what if you're dealing with piano = samples, where say 18 partials have the click in them. It's tedious, but = you'd all suggest going into the Quick Edit menu for Partials and moving = the sample end time? Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Earnhardt To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > I agree with "omz". For some reason, just changing the truncate = spot - (on > an S-50) from, say, 24,000 to 23,999 will get rid of the pop. If it > doesn't, then I keep moving back in small increments, and usually, = it does > not effect the decay of the sample since these are VERY small = increments. >=20 > I should say, on the other hand, that I got an S-550 and converted a = 2 > measure loop, and up popped a whopping nasty click that makes the = sample NOT > work - and this I cannot make go away by changing the truncate spot. = It > seems to be something else that happened in the conversion. >=20 > Best of luck - >=20 > Rick >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "omz" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples >=20 >=20 > > I have experienced clicks at the end of samples since my S-50 = days. The > only > > way to get rid of them is to play with the end time of the sample. = You can > > usually find a sweet spot where there is no click. > > > > > > --- "Harold Everton, Jr." wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Thanks for the prompt reply. I've experimented with changing = decay times > when > > > recording cymbal samples for example. The only problem which may = arise, > would > > > be the unnatural sound of a cymbal sample whose decay has been = cut > short - In > > > short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded samples, = such as > those > > > on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could do about it, but = put up > with > > > it. > > > > > > I'm extremely taken by the fact that no one has bought this = subject up. > I > > > refuse to believe that this is a problem in only my S760. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Harold Everton, Jr. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca > > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:53 AM > > > Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > > > > > > > > > Some suggestions: > > > The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade = the sample > at a > > > different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample = entirely. > > > Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak = positive > or > > > negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a = transient or > > > glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally = generated > by > > > the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?) > > > A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the = whole > sample) > > > wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a > sequencer I > > > will move the start point of the note, or change the duration, = keeping > the > > > edit small so it's not critical. > > > > > > > > > From: Harold Everton, Jr. = [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM > > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > > Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > > > > > > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > > > When playing samples which use long decay times (such as = cymbals, > pianos, > > > etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities = end with > > > clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was = seriously > bugging me > > > ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM = is bad, > or > > > whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s. > > > > > > Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type = of click > > > everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some = samples > don't > > > even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a = couple of > > > samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect = many > long > > > decaying samples. It's driving me mad! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Harold > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- > > omz > > beautamous loaf recordings > > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to = majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more = information. > > >=20 >=20 > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2D8DF.482535E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Harold,
 
  If this is something that has = just popped up=20 (no pun intended) on samples that played perfectly before, then I would = suggest=20 that you DO have a different problem.  FWIW, I more or less trashed = an S-50=20 because of a relay on the jack board that went bad.  It started = small, with=20 pops and volume changes, but has progressed past the point of being = useful to me=20 anymore.  I replaced the whole unit since I could not find a jack = board for=20 sale.  If you're getting clicks on all your samples, I wouldn't = waste your=20 time truncating all the partials - I would have it (the hardware) looked = at.
 
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Harold Everton, = Jr.
To: Richard Earnhardt =
Sent: Thursday, February 20, = 2003 9:06=20 AM
Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and = Pops on=20 Samples

Hey All,
 
All of what everyone said was great = advice. The=20 applications mentioned were great for drum samples for example. In = those=20 cases, I've been able to get rid of them very easy. However, what if = you're=20 dealing with piano samples, where say 18 partials have the click in = them. It's=20 tedious, but you'd all suggest going into the Quick Edit menu for = Partials and=20 moving the sample end time?
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Earnhardt <richard.earnhardt@verizon.n= et>
To: <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 = 2:24=20 PM
Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops = on=20 Samples

> I agree with = "omz".  For some=20 reason, just changing the truncate spot - (on
> an S-50) from, = say,=20 24,000 to 23,999 will get rid of the pop.  If it
> doesn't, = then I=20 keep moving back in small increments, and usually, it does
> not = effect=20 the decay of the sample since these are VERY small increments.
> =
> I should say, on the other hand, that I got an S-550 and = converted a=20 2
> measure loop, and up popped a whopping nasty click that = makes the=20 sample NOT
> work - and this I cannot make go away by changing = the=20 truncate spot.  It
> seems to be something else that = happened in=20 the conversion.
>
> Best of luck -
>
> = Rick
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "omz" <omz@sbcglobal.net>
> = To: <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
&g= t;=20 Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: sgroup = Clicks=20 and Pops on Samples
>
>
> > I have experienced = clicks=20 at the end of samples since my S-50 days. The
> only
> = > way to=20 get rid of them is to play with the end time of the sample. You = can
>=20 > usually find a sweet spot where there is no click.
> = >
>=20 >
> > --- "Harold Everton, Jr." <evertonrecords@worldnet.a= tt.net>=20 wrote:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > = > Thanks=20 for the prompt reply. I've experimented with changing decay = times
>=20 when
> > > recording cymbal samples for example. The only = problem=20 which may arise,
> would
> > > be the unnatural = sound of a=20 cymbal sample whose decay has been cut
> short - In
> > = >=20 short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded samples, such = as
>=20 those
> > > on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could = do about=20 it, but put up
> with
> > > it.
> > = >
>=20 > > I'm extremely taken by the fact that no one has bought this = subject=20 up.
> I
> > > refuse to believe that this is a = problem in=20 only my S760.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > = >=20 Harold Everton, Jr.
> > >   ----- Original = Message=20 -----
> > >   From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca
> = >=20 >   To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
> = >=20 >   Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:53 AM
> = >=20 >   Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on = Samples
> >=20 >
> > >
> > >   Some = suggestions:
>=20 > >   The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I = either=20 fade the sample
> at a
> > > different spot or more = quickly=20 or slowly, or re-do the sample entirely.
> > >   = Maybe=20 it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak = positive
>=20 or
> > > negative) at the point where the sample is = truncated, or=20 a transient or
> > > glitch may have been recorded with = the sample=20 or accidentally generated
> by
> > > the sampler. = (Maybe the=20 connections are noisy?)
> > >   A cymbal would = usually=20 have a fixed decay time (plays the whole
> sample)
> > = >=20 wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using = a
>=20 sequencer I
> > > will move the start point of the note, = or change=20 the duration, keeping
> the
> > > edit small so it's = not=20 critical.
> > >
> > >
> > = >  =20 From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@wor= ldnet.att.net]
>=20 > >   Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 = PM
> >=20 >   To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
> = >=20 >   Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples
> = >=20 >
> > >
> > >     Hey=20 Everyone,
> > >
> > >     = When=20 playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals,
>=20 pianos,
> > > etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at = certain=20 velocities end with
> > > clicks, or click at the end of a = decay.=20 this problem was seriously
> bugging me
> > > ever = since I=20 purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad,
> = or
>=20 > > whether this problem is inherent of all Roland = S760s.
> >=20 >
> > >     Has anyone ever had = this=20 problem? It's always the same type of click
> > > = everytime. It's=20 never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples
> = don't
>=20 > > even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or = a couple=20 of
> > > samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem = seems to=20 affect many
> long
> > > decaying samples. It's = driving me=20 mad!
> > >
> > >    =20 Thanks,
> > >     Harold
> >=20 >
> > >
> >
> >
> > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20 > ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-
> > omz
> > = beautamous=20 loaf recordings
> > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/<= BR>>=20 >
> > -
> > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on=20 lists.uunet.ca
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> ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C2D8DF.482535E0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 14:31:05 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:30:58 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:30:48 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:29:45 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C16D9@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:30:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2D916.80BF8C20" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D916.80BF8C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" This may be an obvious point, but the 760 is very sensitive to over-driven input signals. I always leave "Normalize" set to on, and set the sample record level to the highest level without it entering the "red" zone at all. Then when the sample is done, it gets normalized to maximum level but at least the sample went in clean. If it overdrives even the slightest bit, it sounds awful and there's no easy way to fix it. Digital is not like audio tape - it buzzes like a wasp when overdriven. So better to err on the lower side of input level. Maybe there's going to be a bit more noise in the sample, but unless you're using a very noisy source or mixer etc the 760 is pretty good I find, pretty quiet. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Earnhardt [mailto:richard.earnhardt@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:55 PM To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Fw: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Harold, If this is something that has just popped up (no pun intended) on samples that played perfectly before, then I would suggest that you DO have a different problem. FWIW, I more or less trashed an S-50 because of a relay on the jack board that went bad. It started small, with pops and volume changes, but has progressed past the point of being useful to me anymore. I replaced the whole unit since I could not find a jack board for sale. If you're getting clicks on all your samples, I wouldn't waste your time truncating all the partials - I would have it (the hardware) looked at. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Everton, Jr. To: Richard Earnhardt Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Hey All, All of what everyone said was great advice. The applications mentioned were great for drum samples for example. In those cases, I've been able to get rid of them very easy. However, what if you're dealing with piano samples, where say 18 partials have the click in them. It's tedious, but you'd all suggest going into the Quick Edit menu for Partials and moving the sample end time? Thanks, Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Earnhardt < richard.earnhardt@verizon.net > To: < sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > I agree with "omz". For some reason, just changing the truncate spot - (on > an S-50) from, say, 24,000 to 23,999 will get rid of the pop. If it > doesn't, then I keep moving back in small increments, and usually, it does > not effect the decay of the sample since these are VERY small increments. > > I should say, on the other hand, that I got an S-550 and converted a 2 > measure loop, and up popped a whopping nasty click that makes the sample NOT > work - and this I cannot make go away by changing the truncate spot. It > seems to be something else that happened in the conversion. > > Best of luck - > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "omz" < omz@sbcglobal.net > > To: < sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > > > > I have experienced clicks at the end of samples since my S-50 days. The > only > > way to get rid of them is to play with the end time of the sample. You can > > usually find a sweet spot where there is no click. > > > > > > --- "Harold Everton, Jr." < evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net > wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Thanks for the prompt reply. I've experimented with changing decay times > when > > > recording cymbal samples for example. The only problem which may arise, > would > > > be the unnatural sound of a cymbal sample whose decay has been cut > short - In > > > short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded samples, such as > those > > > on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could do about it, but put up > with > > > it. > > > > > > I'm extremely taken by the fact that no one has bought this subject up. > I > > > refuse to believe that this is a problem in only my S760. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Harold Everton, Jr. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca > > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:53 AM > > > Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > > > > > > > > > Some suggestions: > > > The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample > at a > > > different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample entirely. > > > Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive > or > > > negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient or > > > glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally generated > by > > > the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?) > > > A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole > sample) > > > wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a > sequencer I > > > will move the start point of the note, or change the duration, keeping > the > > > edit small so it's not critical. > > > > > > > > > From: Harold Everton, Jr. [ mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net ] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM > > > To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca > > > Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples > > > > > > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > > > When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, > pianos, > > > etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities end with > > > clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was seriously > bugging me > > > ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad, > or > > > whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s. > > > > > > Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click > > > everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples > don't > > > even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a couple of > > > samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect many > long > > > decaying samples. It's driving me mad! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Harold > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- > > omz > > beautamous loaf recordings > > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D916.80BF8C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
This may be an obvious point, but the 760 is very sensitive to over-driven input signals. I always leave "Normalize" set to on, and set the sample record level to the highest level without it entering the "red" zone at all. Then when the sample is done, it gets normalized to maximum level but at least the sample went in clean. If it overdrives even the slightest bit, it sounds awful and there's no easy way to fix it. Digital is not like audio tape - it buzzes like a wasp when overdriven. So better to err on the lower side of input level. Maybe there's going to be a bit more noise in the sample, but unless you're using a very noisy source or mixer etc the 760 is pretty good I find, pretty quiet.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Earnhardt [mailto:richard.earnhardt@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:55 PM
To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
Subject: Fw: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples

Harold,
 
  If this is something that has just popped up (no pun intended) on samples that played perfectly before, then I would suggest that you DO have a different problem.  FWIW, I more or less trashed an S-50 because of a relay on the jack board that went bad.  It started small, with pops and volume changes, but has progressed past the point of being useful to me anymore.  I replaced the whole unit since I could not find a jack board for sale.  If you're getting clicks on all your samples, I wouldn't waste your time truncating all the partials - I would have it (the hardware) looked at.
 
Rick
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples

Hey All,
 
All of what everyone said was great advice. The applications mentioned were great for drum samples for example. In those cases, I've been able to get rid of them very easy. However, what if you're dealing with piano samples, where say 18 partials have the click in them. It's tedious, but you'd all suggest going into the Quick Edit menu for Partials and moving the sample end time?
 
Thanks,
Harold
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Earnhardt <richard.earnhardt@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples

> I agree with "omz".  For some reason, just changing the truncate spot - (on
> an S-50) from, say, 24,000 to 23,999 will get rid of the pop.  If it
> doesn't, then I keep moving back in small increments, and usually, it does
> not effect the decay of the sample since these are VERY small increments.
>
> I should say, on the other hand, that I got an S-550 and converted a 2
> measure loop, and up popped a whopping nasty click that makes the sample NOT
> work - and this I cannot make go away by changing the truncate spot.  It
> seems to be something else that happened in the conversion.
>
> Best of luck -
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "omz" <omz@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <sgroup@lists.uunet.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples
>
>
> > I have experienced clicks at the end of samples since my S-50 days. The
> only
> > way to get rid of them is to play with the end time of the sample. You can
> > usually find a sweet spot where there is no click.
> >
> >
> > --- "Harold Everton, Jr." <evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the prompt reply. I've experimented with changing decay times
> when
> > > recording cymbal samples for example. The only problem which may arise,
> would
> > > be the unnatural sound of a cymbal sample whose decay has been cut
> short - In
> > > short, it is noticeable. In the case of pre-recorded samples, such as
> those
> > > on sample CDs, there's nothing much one could do about it, but put up
> with
> > > it.
> > >
> > > I'm extremely taken by the fact that no one has bought this subject up.
> I
> > > refuse to believe that this is a problem in only my S760.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Harold Everton, Jr.
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca
> > >   To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
> > >   Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:53 AM
> > >   Subject: RE: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples
> > >
> > >
> > >   Some suggestions:
> > >   The odd time I've had this problem (760), and I either fade the sample
> at a
> > > different spot or more quickly or slowly, or re-do the sample entirely.
> > >   Maybe it has something to do with where the waveform is (peak positive
> or
> > > negative) at the point where the sample is truncated, or a transient or
> > > glitch may have been recorded with the sample or accidentally generated
> by
> > > the sampler. (Maybe the connections are noisy?)
> > >   A cymbal would usually have a fixed decay time (plays the whole
> sample)
> > > wheras a piano would depend on note-off command. If I'm using a
> sequencer I
> > > will move the start point of the note, or change the duration, keeping
> the
> > > edit small so it's not critical.
> > >
> > >
> > >   From: Harold Everton, Jr. [mailto:evertonrecords@worldnet.att.net]
> > >   Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:28 PM
> > >   To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca
> > >   Subject: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples
> > >
> > >
> > >     Hey Everyone,
> > >
> > >     When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals,
> pianos,
> > > etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities end with
> > > clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was seriously
> bugging me
> > > ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad,
> or
> > > whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s.
> > >
> > >     Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click
> > > everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples
> don't
> > > even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a couple of
> > > samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect many
> long
> > > decaying samples. It's driving me mad!
> > >
> > >     Thanks,
> > >     Harold
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-
> > omz
> > beautamous loaf recordings
> > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/
> >
> > -
> > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca
> > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca
> > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.
> >
>
>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D916.80BF8C20-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 15:01:46 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:01:38 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:01:34 -0500 Received: from [80.46.149.26] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18lwuC-0004m1-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:02:52 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup Problems with clicks Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:03:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Harold, To make sure your S-760 is fine, why not downloading the test disk from the website and running the tests? That way you'll know whether your S-760 needs fine tuning or not. Francois s760.us.tt - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 20:10:57 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24897>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:10:50 -0500 Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [217.72.192.180]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24897>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:10:43 -0500 Received: from [80.129.136.166] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.95 #31) id 18m1hw-0008IS-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:10:32 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:09:18 -0500 Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples From: nichtlineareaudioproduktionen To: "Harold Everton, Jr." , roland Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c2d876$f66a5720$38c5580c@epu1> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3128638159_50379" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Diese Nachricht ist im MIME-Format. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --B_3128638159_50379 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Hey Everyone, > > When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, pianos, > etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain velocities end with > clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this problem was seriously bugging me > ever since I purchased my sampler. I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad, or > whether this problem is inherent of all Roland S760s. > > Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click > everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples don't > even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a couple of > samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to affect many long > decaying samples. It's driving me mad! > > Thanks, > Harold > > Is your unit synced internally, or may you have set a digital input as sync-source? Is it the Analog or Digital outs you are experiencing the Problems (or both???) Just a thought... Nikolaus Sieveking nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen --B_3128638159_50379 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples
Hey Everyone,
When playing samples which use lon= g decay times (such as cymbals, pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some = notes at certain velocities end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay.= this problem was seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. I'= m left wondering if my RAM is bad, or whether this problem is inherent of al= l Roland S760s.

Has anyone ever had this problem? = It's always the same type of click everytime. It's never on all samples or a= ll velocities. Some samples don't even have the problem. However, this is no= t just one CD, or a couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This proble= m seems to affect many long decaying samples. It's driving me mad!
Thanks,
Harold

Is your unit synced internally, or= may you have set a digital input as sync-source?
Is it the Analog or Digital outs you are experiencing the Problems (or both= ???)
Just a thought...


Nikolaus Sieveking
nap - nichtlineareaudioproduktionen
<niko@loktownstudio.de>

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(spiralinsana@65.71.199.144 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2003 01:49:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: spiralinsana@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:52:43 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: omz Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >Hey Everyone, > >When playing samples which use long decay times (such as cymbals, >pianos, etc.), I sometimes notice that some notes at certain >velocities end with clicks, or click at the end of a decay. this >problem was seriously bugging me ever since I purchased my sampler. >I'm left wondering if my RAM is bad, or whether this problem is >inherent of all Roland S760s. > >Has anyone ever had this problem? It's always the same type of click >everytime. It's never on all samples or all velocities. Some samples >don't even have the problem. However, this is not just one CD, or a >couple of samples on a couple of sample CDs. This problem seems to >affect many long decaying samples. It's driving me mad! > >Thanks, >Harold > >Is your unit synced internally, or may you have set a digital input >as sync-source? >Is it the Analog or Digital outs you are experiencing the Problems >(or both???) >Just a thought... i'm telling you, it's the end points of the sample :) -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ bli recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 21:05:55 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:05:47 -0500 Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:05:40 -0500 Received: from rickearn ([151.201.233.211]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20030221020530.DGCU2505.out004.verizon.net@rickearn> for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:05:30 -0600 Message-ID: <00c301c2d965$42723360$641dfea9@rickearn> From: "Richard Earnhardt" To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:53:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Richard Earnhardt" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [151.201.233.211] at Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:05:29 -0600 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >Harold > > > >Is your unit synced internally, or may you have set a digital input > >as sync-source? > >Is it the Analog or Digital outs you are experiencing the Problems > >(or both???) > >Just a thought... > > > i'm telling you, it's the end points of the sample :) > > -- > > bli recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ I would have to agree at this point - if it's only on some samples, the same ones every time, then I would check into the end points like we all discussed earlier - why don't you try changing just one and see if it disappears - you may be able to find the answer for yourself. I may be wrong on this one, but i think it stands to reason that bad RAM would be a lot more prohibitive to the sampler than just a random pop or click. Rick - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 20 22:00:27 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-24897>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:00:21 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24896>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:00:11 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h1L305L90485 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:00:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from kogut.o2.pl ([212.126.20.61]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-24897>; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:25:10 -0500 Received: from n2f3s7 (dial269.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl [217.30.131.15]) by kogut.o2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP id CB6A92EE9D1 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:09:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001d01c2d926$7157cf80$0f831ed9@n2f3s7> From: "slaq" To: References: Subject: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:24:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk hi sgroup finally i've got something to substitute my *&^%(# zip with. it's a 1u rack chassis with a syquest drive and a cdrom drive. it's called SYNTHAX SYNDrive and i can't find any documentation on it whatsoever, so i've tried to hook everything up in a more or less haphazard fashion. i've even managed to format the syquest disk, but there are constant problems with the cd rom drive which is driving me mad. the sampler can actually see the cdrom drive and if there's no cdrom inside it doesn't crash [although the message 'not ready' is displayed - well, not surprising obviously] the problem appears when i put a cdrom in the drive. my s750 crashes immediately and the scsi led remains lit as if the scsi chain was not terminated. unfortunately i don't know the name of the manufacturer of the cdrom drive. the only thing i know is that it was designed for laptops. am i missing something very simple and obvious? or maybe the thing is that my sampler simply doesn't like the drive? i've got the impression i've tried experimenting with every connection possible including numerous attempts to change the drives' ids every way i could think of. one important thing is that the sampler always reports communication errors while scannig the drives. now the sampler id is 7, the syquest drive's 0 and the cdrom drive's 5 [if it really matters...] i've read the article on scsi hell and the hints on francois rossi's www and it seems i'm in a dead end. can you think of a possible solution to the problem? help me, please as while left to my own devices i found myself completely helpless. greetz slaq - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 21 08:37:27 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8312>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:37:18 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8311>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:37:13 -0500 Received: from epu1 (122.new-york-01rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.160.122]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003022113371111100nuante>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:37:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2d9ad$97b3ae60$7aa0580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: "Richard Earnhardt" , References: <00c301c2d965$42723360$641dfea9@rickearn> Subject: Re: sgroup Clicks and Pops on Samples Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:31:46 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D983.ABCA4BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D983.ABCA4BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Morning All, The thing is, you all keep putting too much emphasis on home grown = sampling, while I'm referring more to the existing sample CD libraries. = If I get clicks and pops when I sample myself, I'd just resample myself. = Anyhow, I appreciate the feedback. I did find a way to deal with these annoying clicks on otherwise = professional sounding CD libraries. I just went in and messed with the = fourth TVA parameter at the partial level. If you jump to the second = screen in the TVA menu, you should get a graph (like you do with the = Roland JV series). The fourth parameter is the decay (more or less) of = the ADSR envelope. Setting this time shorter gives you a more smooth and = natural decay than if you messed with sample END points, which end up = sounding harsh and abrupt. This works well with drum samples, but I'll = give it a shot with piano samples. I shouldn't have to do this! However, = it's one of those things I'll live with until Roland puts out their = Roland S960! Later, Harold ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D983.ABCA4BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good Morning=20 All,
 
The thing is, you all keep putting too = much=20 emphasis on home grown sampling, while I'm referring more to the = existing sample=20 CD libraries. If I get clicks and pops when I sample myself, I'd just = resample=20 myself. Anyhow, I appreciate the feedback.
 
I did find a way to deal with these = annoying clicks=20 on otherwise professional sounding CD libraries. I just went in and = messed with=20 the fourth TVA parameter at the partial level. If you jump to the second = screen=20 in the TVA menu, you should get a graph (like you do with the Roland JV = series).=20 The fourth parameter is the decay (more or less) of the ADSR envelope. = Setting=20 this time shorter gives you a more smooth and natural decay than if you = messed=20 with sample END points, which end up sounding harsh and abrupt. This = works well=20 with drum samples, but I'll give it a shot with piano samples. I = shouldn't have=20 to do this! However, it's one of those things I'll live with until = Roland puts=20 out their Roland S960!
 
Later,
Harold
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2D983.ABCA4BE0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 21 08:44:34 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8312>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:44:25 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8312>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:44:22 -0500 Received: from [80.46.149.26] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18mDTH-000KmZ-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:44:11 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:46:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01c2d926$7157cf80$0f831ed9@n2f3s7> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >it's a 1u rack chassis with a syquest drive and a cdrom drive. >it's called SYNTHAX SYNDrive... Synthax is a German company. Checking their website, I couldn't find any PDF docs but you can email josef@miditemp.de who can perhaps help you out. > or maybe the thing is that my sampler simply doesn't like the drive? It could well be the case. Could you borrow another drive from somebody and check whether this works? > the sampler always reports communication errors while scannig the drives. Another source of potential problems with scsi can be the cable from sampler to synthax. I've experienced problems in the past when changing the scsi cable cured everything. Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 21 09:51:21 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8311>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:51:14 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f52.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.52]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8311>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:51:03 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:51:00 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.100 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:51:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.100] From: "Six Stringa" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:51:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2003 14:51:00.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[A663E690:01C2D9B8] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Switching gears slightly, I have an Apple scsi drive hooked up to my S-550...works great. My problem is when I hook up a compatible CD-ROM drive to the HD's scsi port and power up the S-550, the HD then becomes parked (hence unusable). I tried terminating the CD-ROM drive, but no cigar. Are there specific SCSI numbers all should be set, or not, set too? Thanks, Doug _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 21 09:59:41 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8311>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:59:32 -0500 Received: from smtpgate-01.ic.gc.ca ([192.197.186.122]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8311>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:59:29 -0500 Received: by smtpgate-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:58:31 -0500 Message-ID: <989D3636B2ABD5118D3D060000000000034C16DD@mb-bp-07.ic.gc.ca> From: Detko.Ralph@ic.gc.ca To: slaveq@o2.pl, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:58:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I had a similar problem with my 760. Try putting the CDRom in the drive before booting the 760, then go to the disk menu. I've never had a problem this way. Otherwise, scanning the drives sometimes helps. >-----Original Message----- >From: slaq [mailto:slaveq@o2.pl] >Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 4:24 PM >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] > > >hi sgroup > >finally i've got something to substitute my *&^%(# zip with. >it's a 1u rack chassis with a syquest drive and a cdrom drive. >it's called >SYNTHAX SYNDrive and i can't find any documentation on it >whatsoever, so >i've tried to hook everything up in a more or less haphazard >fashion. i've >even managed to format the syquest disk, but there are >constant problems >with the cd rom drive which is driving me mad. > >the sampler can actually see the cdrom drive and if there's no >cdrom inside >it doesn't crash [although the message 'not ready' is >displayed - well, not >surprising obviously] > >the problem appears when i put a cdrom in the drive. my s750 crashes >immediately and the scsi led remains lit as if the scsi chain was not >terminated. > >unfortunately i don't know the name of the manufacturer of the >cdrom drive. >the only thing i know is that it was designed for laptops. > >am i missing something very simple and obvious? or maybe the >thing is that >my sampler simply doesn't like the drive? i've got the >impression i've tried >experimenting with every connection possible including >numerous attempts to >change the drives' ids every way i could think of. > >one important thing is that the sampler always reports >communication errors >while scannig the drives. now the sampler id is 7, the syquest >drive's 0 and >the cdrom drive's 5 [if it really matters...] > >i've read the article on scsi hell and the hints on francois >rossi's www and >it seems i'm in a dead end. > >can you think of a possible solution to the problem? >help me, please as while left to my own devices i found myself >completely >helpless. > >greetz > >slaq > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 21 16:49:51 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-8312>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:49:41 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8312>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:49:38 -0500 Received: from user-2initm7.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.118.199] helo=hoffman) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18mL2z-00034a-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:49:34 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c2d9f2$d1e8c080$c77679a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "slaq" , References: <001d01c2d926$7157cf80$0f831ed9@n2f3s7> Subject: Re: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:22:33 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Here is a try. If the CDrom was designed for laptop's, then it probably is teminated, expecting a 2 device bus. So I would take the drive case apart and see if the terminating resistor pack is removed from the drive. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: slaq To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] > hi sgroup > > finally i've got something to substitute my *&^%(# zip with. > it's a 1u rack chassis with a syquest drive and a cdrom drive. it's called > SYNTHAX SYNDrive and i can't find any documentation on it whatsoever, so > i've tried to hook everything up in a more or less haphazard fashion. i've > even managed to format the syquest disk, but there are constant problems > with the cd rom drive which is driving me mad. > > the sampler can actually see the cdrom drive and if there's no cdrom inside > it doesn't crash [although the message 'not ready' is displayed - well, not > surprising obviously] > > the problem appears when i put a cdrom in the drive. my s750 crashes > immediately and the scsi led remains lit as if the scsi chain was not > terminated. > > unfortunately i don't know the name of the manufacturer of the cdrom drive. > the only thing i know is that it was designed for laptops. > > am i missing something very simple and obvious? or maybe the thing is that > my sampler simply doesn't like the drive? i've got the impression i've tried > experimenting with every connection possible including numerous attempts to > change the drives' ids every way i could think of. > > one important thing is that the sampler always reports communication errors > while scannig the drives. now the sampler id is 7, the syquest drive's 0 and > the cdrom drive's 5 [if it really matters...] > > i've read the article on scsi hell and the hints on francois rossi's www and > it seems i'm in a dead end. > > can you think of a possible solution to the problem? > help me, please as while left to my own devices i found myself completely > helpless. > > greetz > > slaq > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 21 16:50:00 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193715-8312>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:49:51 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.60]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193722-8312>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:49:40 -0500 Received: from user-2initm7.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.118.199] helo=hoffman) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18mL32-00034a-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c2d9f2$d3ac6980$c77679a5@hoffman> From: "Randy Hoffman" To: "Six Stringa" , References: Subject: Re: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:45:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Since the S550 has to boot from the floppy, it really doesn't matter which ID you choose as long as they don't collide. I bought an Apple 150, from Roland's suggestion, but didn't work with my S550. I finally found a drive that worked CDU-6211. Which drive from apple worked for you? And, if you could, what is the actual CDrom drive make/model number? Some of us S550 buffs are keeping track. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Six Stringa To: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:51 AM Subject: RE: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] > Switching gears slightly, I have an Apple scsi drive hooked up to my > S-550...works great. My problem is when I hook up a compatible CD-ROM drive > to the HD's scsi port and power up the S-550, the HD then becomes parked > (hence unusable). I tried terminating the CD-ROM drive, but no cigar. Are > there specific SCSI numbers all should be set, or not, set too? > > Thanks, > Doug > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 21 17:14:21 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-8312>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:14:13 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f3.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.3]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-8312>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:14:06 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:14:05 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.105 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:14:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.105] From: "Six Stringa" To: randy_hoff@ix.netcom.com Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:14:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2003 22:14:05.0027 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BCA5330:01C2D9F6] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Randy, Here are the specs: HD: Apple M-2644 (40Mb) The CD-ROM drive (once used with another S-550) has the CDU-6211 mechanism. It's a caddy loading drive, but I'm not in the studio to check the model...will post later. >From: "Randy Hoffman" >To: "Six Stringa" , >Subject: Re: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] >Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:45:48 -0800 > >Since the S550 has to boot from the floppy, it really doesn't matter which >ID you choose as long as they don't collide. > >I bought an Apple 150, from Roland's suggestion, but didn't work with my >S550. I finally found a drive that worked CDU-6211. Which drive from >apple >worked for you? And, if you could, what is the actual CDrom drive >make/model number? Some of us S550 buffs are keeping track. > >Randy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Six Stringa >To: >Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:51 AM >Subject: RE: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] > > > > Switching gears slightly, I have an Apple scsi drive hooked up to my > > S-550...works great. My problem is when I hook up a compatible CD-ROM >drive > > to the HD's scsi port and power up the S-550, the HD then becomes parked > > (hence unusable). I tried terminating the CD-ROM drive, but no cigar. >Are > > there specific SCSI numbers all should be set, or not, set too? > > > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > - > > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sat Feb 22 10:32:39 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-9714>; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:32:31 -0500 Received: from VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-9714>; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:32:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([24.200.82.94]) by VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.10 (built Jan 23 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HAP004IRV6A0Y@VL-MS-MR001.sc1.videotron.ca> for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:32:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:32:15 -0500 From: "R.Lemay" Subject: Re: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] In-reply-to: <001d01c2d926$7157cf80$0f831ed9@n2f3s7> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk on 20/02/03 16:24, [NAME] at [ADDRESS] wrote: > hi sgroup > > finally i've got something to substitute my *&^%(# zip with. > it's a 1u rack chassis with a syquest drive and a cdrom drive. it's called > SYNTHAX SYNDrive and i can't find any documentation on it whatsoever, so > i've tried to hook everything up in a more or less haphazard fashion. i've > even managed to format the syquest disk, but there are constant problems > with the cd rom drive which is driving me mad. > > the sampler can actually see the cdrom drive and if there's no cdrom inside > it doesn't crash [although the message 'not ready' is displayed - well, not > surprising obviously] > > the problem appears when i put a cdrom in the drive. my s750 crashes > immediately and the scsi led remains lit as if the scsi chain was not > terminated. > > unfortunately i don't know the name of the manufacturer of the cdrom drive. > the only thing i know is that it was designed for laptops. > > am i missing something very simple and obvious? or maybe the thing is that > my sampler simply doesn't like the drive? i've got the impression i've tried > experimenting with every connection possible including numerous attempts to > change the drives' ids every way i could think of. > > one important thing is that the sampler always reports communication errors > while scannig the drives. now the sampler id is 7, the syquest drive's 0 and > the cdrom drive's 5 [if it really matters...] > > i've read the article on scsi hell and the hints on francois rossi's www and > it seems i'm in a dead end. > > can you think of a possible solution to the problem? > help me, please as while left to my own devices i found myself completely > helpless. > > greetz > > slaq > > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > SCSI CD-Rom for laptop? I cannot think of a single Apple laptop equipped with a scsi CD and on the PC side, I would think it would rather be unlikely. In any case, I would not waste too much time trying to fix that; just get a $10 used CD-Rom and get on with your life. That case is practical and usefull (I guess) so just fill it with bargain hardware (cheap HDs/CDs) and enjoy; SCSI is easy to deal with if you follow its simple rules. Good luck Richard - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 23 16:50:30 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-13195>; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:50:22 -0500 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.160.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13195>; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:50:18 -0500 Received: from ABIT2K (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2007E160001E5 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:50:16 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: "Roland S760 List" Subject: RE: sgroup New Build 83 for Translator Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:50:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk For those that are interested I am still waiting for a reply from the highly-regarded ChickenSys Support ;^) But there has been another couple of updates since I downloaded the build that wouldn't install -83. I just took Build 85 which does actually patch correctly but although ChickenSys apparently promised a new version 14 February with full support for translations to Roland 7xx I have not seen this yet. In fact their support page still shows build 64 as the latest although a scrolling banner on their home page insists that build 79 is the latest - go figure. For those that are/may be interested in the various build revisions there is a full history file that I could post but it is 45K in size! Regards, -=Glyn=- > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois Rossi [mailto:francois@chezrossi.net] > Sent: 14 February 2003 13:25 > To: glyn@who.net > Subject: RE: sgroup New Build 83 for Translator > > > > However I get the following error message when I try to patch; > > Let us know what Chickensys say to that please. > > Francois > > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Sun Feb 23 18:59:56 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-13196>; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:59:52 -0500 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13196>; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:59:36 -0500 Received: from [80.46.149.26] (helo=pulsar450) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18n61u-0001rk-00 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:59:34 +0000 From: "Francois Rossi" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup New Build 83 for Translator Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:01:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I just took Build 85 which does actually patch correctly but although > ChickenSys apparently promised a new version 14 February with full support > for translations to Roland 7xx I have not seen this yet. I first contacted Chickensys about 18 months ago when Translator was in version 1 something. I was then told that support for the S-760 would be coming soon, and I got tired of waiting. In the end, I purchased CDxtract because at least I could catalogue my samples. When I really want to use my E-Mu samples with my S-760, I convert from EOS to S-1000 with CDx and import S-1000 using the S-760 facilities. It's convoluted but it works, well, most of the time. The Roland conversion is not full proof besides being very slow. I'm still hopeful that one day either CDx or Translator will enable us to convert to the S-7 format but I've learned not to hold my breath! Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 24 08:04:19 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-6945>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:04:14 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6945>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:04:04 -0500 Received: from epu1 (131.new-york-20rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net[12.88.198.131]) by mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2003022413035711300mkmr7e>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:03:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2dc04$6b504dc0$83c6580c@epu1> From: "Harold Everton, Jr." To: , , , Subject: sgroup Hanz Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:58:24 -0500 Organization: Everton Records, Div. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2DBDA.8196EAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2DBDA.8196EAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings Everyone, I've been pressed by the ads and good words that follow the Hanz Zimmer = Guitars Vol. 1 CD. Everyone says it is the best sounding and most = complete collection of sampled guitars you'll find anywhere. This isn't = a loop CD of guitar riffs, it's a comprehensive collection of guitar = multisamples that can be played across the keyboard. I have the Quantum = Leap Guitars & Bass Collection CD, which is also great. The thing = however, is that collection completely misses the boat on Funky Guitar, = Comp Strat, Telecaster and Funky Fender Guitars. Does anyone here have the Hanz Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD in Roland or = Akai format, or has anyone used it? If so, can you give a review or = recommendation. The sample CD itself is $299, but the patch/performance = listing for the S760 and Akai formats on the Ilio site make it look = worth the amount requested. Thanks, Harold Everton, Jr. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2DBDA.8196EAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings Everyone,
 
I've been pressed by the ads and good = words that=20 follow the Hanz Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD. Everyone says it is the best = sounding=20 and most complete collection of sampled guitars you'll find anywhere. = This isn't=20 a loop CD of guitar riffs, it's a comprehensive collection of guitar=20 multisamples that can be played across the keyboard. I have the Quantum = Leap=20 Guitars & Bass Collection CD, which is also great. The thing = however, is=20 that collection completely misses the boat on Funky Guitar, Comp Strat,=20 Telecaster and Funky Fender Guitars.
 
Does anyone here have the Hanz Zimmer = Guitars Vol.=20 1 CD in Roland or Akai format, or has anyone used it? If so, can you = give a=20 review or recommendation. The sample CD itself is $299, but the=20 patch/performance listing for the S760 and Akai formats on the Ilio site = make it=20 look worth the amount requested.
 
Thanks,
Harold Everton, Jr.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2DBDA.8196EAA0-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 24 10:17:46 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-6944>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:17:41 -0500 Received: from fedex.is.co.za ([196.4.160.243]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6944>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:17:30 -0500 Received: from [196.33.196.167] (c3-rba-167.dial-up.net [196.33.196.167]) by fedex.is.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EB6B8468 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:17:04 +0200 (SAST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: musos@pop.icon.co.za Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000a01c2dc04$6b504dc0$83c6580c@epu1> References: <000a01c2dc04$6b504dc0$83c6580c@epu1> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:16:54 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Colin Shapiro Subject: Re: sgroup Hanz Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1166022674==_ma============" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --============_-1166022674==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I've been pressed by the ads and good words that follow the Hanz >Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD. Everyone says it is the best sounding and >most complete collection of sampled guitars you'll find anywhere. >This isn't a loop CD of guitar riffs, it's a comprehensive >collection of guitar multisamples that can be played across the >keyboard. I have the Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass Collection CD, >which is also great. The thing however, is that collection >completely misses the boat on Funky Guitar, Comp Strat, Telecaster >and Funky Fender Guitars. > >Does anyone here have the Hanz Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD in Roland or >Akai format, or has anyone used it? If so, can you give a review or >recommendation. The sample CD itself is $299, but the >patch/performance listing for the S760 and Akai formats on the Ilio >site make it look worth the amount requested. Hi Harold, I have vols 1 & 2 of the Zimmer guitars and, like all Spectrasonics products, they are superb. There are some very responsive instruments with velocity layers that have slides, hammers etc and all in all, it's a very pleasurable experience. I haven't used them recently so I can't mention any specifics right now....sorry. If I get get some time, I'll load up a few patches and report back. Regards - Colin --============_-1166022674==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: sgroup Hanz Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1
I've been pressed by the ads and good words that follow the Hanz Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD. Everyone says it is the best sounding and most complete collection of sampled guitars you'll find anywhere. This isn't a loop CD of guitar riffs, it's a comprehensive collection of guitar multisamples that can be played across the keyboard. I have the Quantum Leap Guitars & Bass Collection CD, which is also great. The thing however, is that collection completely misses the boat on Funky Guitar, Comp Strat, Telecaster and Funky Fender Guitars.
 
Does anyone here have the Hanz Zimmer Guitars Vol. 1 CD in Roland or Akai format, or has anyone used it? If so, can you give a review or recommendation. The sample CD itself is $299, but the patch/performance listing for the S760 and Akai formats on the Ilio site make it look worth the amount requested.

Hi Harold,

I have vols 1 & 2 of the Zimmer guitars and, like all Spectrasonics products, they are superb. There are some very responsive instruments with velocity layers that have slides, hammers etc and all in all, it's a very pleasurable experience. I haven't used them recently so I can't mention any specifics right now....sorry.

If I get get some time, I'll load up a few patches and report back.

Regards - Colin
--============_-1166022674==_ma============-- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 24 10:41:15 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193725-6944>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:41:05 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193723-6944>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:41:02 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h1OFewg09949 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:40:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.160.9]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6944>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 04:57:01 -0500 Received: from ABIT2K (usercd168.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.235.168]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D66616001AD8 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:56:58 +0000 (GMT) Reply-To: From: "Glyn" To: "Sgroup" Subject: RE: sgroup New Build 83 for Translator Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 04:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Maybe I should look at CDx also... Regards, -=Glyn=- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca [mailto:owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca]On > Behalf Of Francois Rossi > Sent: 24 February 2003 00:01 > To: Sgroup > Subject: RE: sgroup New Build 83 for Translator > > > > > I just took Build 85 which does actually patch correctly but although > > ChickenSys apparently promised a new version 14 February with > full support > > for translations to Roland 7xx I have not seen this yet. > > I first contacted Chickensys about 18 months ago when Translator was in > version 1 something. I was then told that support for the S-760 would be > coming soon, and I got tired of waiting. In the end, I purchased CDxtract > because at least I could catalogue my samples. > > When I really want to use my E-Mu samples with my S-760, I > convert from EOS > to S-1000 with CDx and import S-1000 using the S-760 facilities. It's > convoluted but it works, well, most of the time. The Roland conversion is > not full proof besides being very slow. > > I'm still hopeful that one day either CDx or Translator will enable us to > convert to the S-7 format but I've learned not to hold my breath! > > Francois - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Mon Feb 24 10:41:16 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-6944>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:41:05 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6944>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:40:59 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h1OFeo209944 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:40:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from kogut2.o2.pl ([212.126.20.58]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-13196>; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:21:24 -0500 Received: from n2f3s7 (dial-2900.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl [62.87.144.84]) by kogut2.o2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP id 8082D72B4C for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:21:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <013701c2db1c$eb1e1660$5490573e@n2f3s7> From: "slaq" To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup help needed - scsi chain problem [???] Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:21:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk it seems my thank you message didn't get to the list. thank you again for your advice - after replacing the cdrom drive everything's running smoothly. slaq - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Tue Feb 25 14:06:11 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-17566>; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:06:04 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-17566>; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:05:57 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h1PJ5px89741 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:05:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe000024c0194d-cm00803785ed49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.192.1.184]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6944>; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:05:10 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h1OJ57O24315 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:05:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) From: Nflux1@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.37b144d.2b8b2c67@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 03:05:59 -0500 Subject: sgroup S760s for sale To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_1d4.37b144d.2b8b2c67_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10641 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --part1_1d4.37b144d.2b8b2c67_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d4.37b144d.2b8b2c67_alt_boundary" --part1_1d4.37b144d.2b8b2c67_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I have a lot of 15 S-760s for sale, pulled from a Film Scoring studio. All are in excellent physical condition, and all have the OP-760-1 expansion installed along with 32mb RAM. In addition to the samplers I have 3 switchmaster Monitor/Mouse routers that allow connecting up to 4 S-760s to one mouse and monitor I have attached a text list of the 760s I have. Some have bad screens (which wouldnt matter with a monitor) and are priced accordingly. Perhaps you could post this to your list? If so, thank you! If not, thanks for your time Dave Spang see attached --part1_1d4.37b144d.2b8b2c67_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello

I have a lot of 15 S-760s for sale, pulled from a Film Scoring studio.

All are in excellent physical condition, and all have the OP-760-1 expansion= installed along with 32mb RAM.

In addition to the samplers I have 3 switchmaster Monitor/Mouse routers that= allow connecting up to 4 S-760s to one mouse and monitor

I have attached a text list of the 760s I have. Some have bad screens (which= wouldnt matter with a monitor) and are priced accordingly.

Perhaps you could post this to your list?
If so, thank you!
If not, thanks for your time
Dave Spang
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TIA. Jazper. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 26 17:20:28 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-6094>; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:20:20 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f160.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.160]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6094>; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:20:09 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:20:02 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.100 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:20:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.100] From: "Six Stringa" To: J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup .pdf s-550 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:20:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2003 22:20:02.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[34BE2100:01C2DDE5] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Go to zzounds.com...scroll down the left side and click on "PDF Downloads", then Roland...afterwards you will find some .pdfs for the S-550. Cheers/ >From: J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: sgroup .pdf s-550 >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:20:00 -0500 > >Does anyone know where i can find the s-550 in the form of a .pdf file? > >TIA. > >Jazper. > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 26 19:19:08 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-6094>; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:19:01 -0500 Received: from hetnet.nl (net047s.hetnet.nl [194.151.104.151]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6095>; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:18:56 -0500 Received: from ptr ([195.121.224.82]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:37:28 +0100 Message-ID: <009101c2ddf0$21ad72e0$52e079c3@ptr> From: "P. Vermeeren" To: References: Subject: Re: sgroup .pdf s-550 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:38:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know where i can find the s-550 in the form of a .pdf file? The manual ? The 19" unit ? The SCSI-chip ? Sorry - There's the getting started thing (.pdf) of a few pages - otherwise I don't know of any S550-pdf. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: sgroup .pdf s-550 > Does anyone know where i can find the s-550 in the form of a .pdf file? > > TIA. > > Jazper. > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Wed Feb 26 19:35:34 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193723-6095>; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:35:25 -0500 Received: from imf31bis.bellsouth.net (mail333.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.211]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-6095>; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:35:15 -0500 Received: from pincusion ([67.32.199.91]) by imf31bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.25 201-253-122-122-125-20020815) with SMTP id <20030227003713.UJXP1258.imf31bis.bellsouth.net@pincusion> for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:37:13 -0500 From: "Vic, Cheese, and Scott" To: "Sgroup" Subject: sgroup s550 disks need help Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:35:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I purchased an S550 on ebay a while ago. I knew it did not come with disks, so I also purchased some sample disks on ebay about a week later. Well after getting the disks in I thought my drive was messed up in the sampler until using the s-disk utility tried reading the disks on my pc to discover this guy sent me blank formatted pc disks. Aside from being a bit miffed I am wondering if there is anyone in the Nashville/Clarksville Tennessee area that would be willing to make me a copy of the Utility disk so I can get this unit up and running as opposed to having a 2U blank panel with cool blinky lights. After I get it running I am more than willing to swap and share samples. Thank you in advance Vic - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 27 06:35:25 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16158>; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:35:21 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f192.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.192]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16158>; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:35:06 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:35:04 -0800 Received: from 159.142.158.113 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:35:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [159.142.158.113] From: "Six Stringa" To: gaiskis@bellsouth.net Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s550 disks need help Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:35:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2003 11:35:04.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[45A92F90:01C2DE54] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Vic, Go to the website in the sig below. You'll find what u need in the archives.... Fresh! >From: "Vic, Cheese, and Scott" >To: "Sgroup" >Subject: sgroup s550 disks need help >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:35:26 -0500 > >I purchased an S550 on ebay a while ago. I knew it did not come with disks, >so I also purchased some sample disks on ebay about a week later. Well >after >getting the disks in I thought my drive was messed up in the sampler until >using the s-disk utility tried reading the disks on my pc to discover this >guy sent me blank formatted pc disks. Aside from being a bit miffed I am >wondering if there is anyone in the Nashville/Clarksville Tennessee area >that would be willing to make me a copy of the Utility disk so I can get >this unit up and running as opposed to having a 2U blank panel with cool >blinky lights. After I get it running I am more than willing to swap and >share samples. > >Thank you in advance > >Vic > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 27 17:45:01 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16157>; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:44:55 -0500 Received: from gate.Heineken.NL (mx1.hn.nl [193.172.18.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16157>; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:44:44 -0500 Sensitivity: Subject: sgroup How do i rewire an old PC mouse for use with the S-550, and some other questions. To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:45:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NLHnsExternal1/HeinExternal(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 27-02-2003 23:44:40 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Thanks for the reactions on the S-550 manual, i will have a look in the morning when i get home. Today i bought a S-550, well not yet.. they guy will send it to me.. :] But it has no monitor and no mouse.. Is it possible that i rewire an old PC mouse for use with the sampler. And how about the midi timing of the sampler.. how tight is it..? Jasper, - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 27 18:00:08 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16158>; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:00:01 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f75.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.75]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16158>; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:59:55 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:59:50 -0800 Received: from 151.190.254.105 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:59:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.190.254.105] From: "Six Stringa" To: J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup How do i rewire an old PC mouse for use with the S-550, and some other questions. Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:59:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2003 22:59:50.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE930540:01C2DEB3] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk for mouse rewiring, go to Peter Ullrich's page...excellent info: http://come.to/ullrich >From: J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: sgroup How do i rewire an old PC mouse for use with the S-550, and >some other questions. >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:45:22 -0500 > >Thanks for the reactions on the S-550 manual, i will have a look in the >morning when i get home. Today i bought a S-550, well not yet.. they guy >will send it to me.. :] > >But it has no monitor and no mouse.. Is it possible that i rewire an old PC >mouse for use with the sampler. And how about the midi timing of the >sampler.. how tight is it..? > >Jasper, > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Thu Feb 27 18:27:19 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-16158>; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:27:11 -0500 Received: from ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com ([65.24.7.37]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-16158>; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:27:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (grv230145.columbus.rr.com [204.210.230.145]) by ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h1RNQxvY001009; Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:26:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:27:31 -0500 From: Gaffa X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Reply-To: Gaffa X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <158381332116.20030227182731@columbus.rr.com> To: Six Stringa CC: Roland S-Group Subject: Re[2]: sgroup How do i rewire an old PC mouse for use with the S-550, and some other questions. In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk More specifically, go to..... http://home.pages.at/pullrich/mu1mouse.htm -------------------------------------------- Thursday, February 27, 2003, 5:59:49 PM, you wrote: SS> for mouse rewiring, go to Peter Ullrich's page...excellent info: SS> http://come.to/ullrich >>From: J.M.de.Haas@heineken.nl >>To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >>Subject: sgroup How do i rewire an old PC mouse for use with the S-550, and >>some other questions. >>Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:45:22 -0500 >> >>Thanks for the reactions on the S-550 manual, i will have a look in the >>morning when i get home. Today i bought a S-550, well not yet.. they guy >>will send it to me.. :] >> >>But it has no monitor and no mouse.. Is it possible that i rewire an old PC >>mouse for use with the sampler. And how about the midi timing of the >>sampler.. how tight is it..? >> >>Jasper, - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 28 00:44:24 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-22137>; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:44:15 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-22137>; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:44:14 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h1S5i6m64869; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:44:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:44:06 -0500 From: John Sellens Message-Id: <200302280544.h1S5i6m64869@gc0.generalconcepts.com> To: blurk@zip.com.au, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup FAQ Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk | Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:38:47 -0500 | From: Bernie Maier | | Hmm. We really need a FAQ file. Right you are. There is now an sgroup FAQ, with exactly one entry in it (yours): http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/faq.html I don't have time to really author one myself, but if anyone sends me any entries, I'll be delighted to add them. Cheers! John jsellens@generalconcepts.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 28 01:39:15 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-22137>; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:39:07 -0500 Received: from gc0.generalconcepts.com (cpe0080c8d41db5-cm400035817053.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.229.236]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-22137>; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:39:01 -0500 Received: (from jsellens@localhost) by gc0.generalconcepts.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id h1S6cp668457 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:38:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jsellens) Received: from sunny.pacific.net.au ([203.2.228.40]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-22137>; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:17:55 -0500 Received: from wisma.pacific.net.au (wisma.pacific.net.au [210.23.129.72]) by sunny.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id h1S6Ho82016578 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:17:50 +1100 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.254] (ppp105.adsl89.pacific.net.au [202.7.89.105]) by wisma.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id RAA04675 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:17:45 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:17:40 -0500 From: Bernie Maier Reply-To: Bernie Maier To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup FAQ Message-ID: <20036320.1046452660@[192.168.0.11]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk John Sellens wrote: > I don't have time to really author one myself, but if anyone > sends me any entries, I'll be delighted to add them. I was being lazy in not offering to write the FAQ myself. But I'll offer another entry because just one looks a little lonely: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Q: Can I use a standard PC mouse with a Roland sampler? A: The Roland sampler's mouse uses different wiring to both the PS/2 mouse and serial mouse common on PCs. The Roland sampler's mouse is a standard MSX computer mouse. More detailed information on this topic, along some how to convert signals from the Atari mouse and the Amiga mouse is available at: http://home.pages.at/pullrich/mu1mouse.htm Details (apparently in Portuguese) on converting PS/2 mouse signals to MSX are at: http://www.vespanet.com.br/~manuxcritos/psIImouse.htm See also the following files in the sgroup archive: http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/information/mice.txt http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/information/msx_mice.txt -------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Bernie - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >From owner-sgroup Fri Feb 28 03:18:46 2003 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193722-22138>; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:18:41 -0500 Received: from ns.kapsch.net ([193.154.217.100]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193715-22138>; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:18:26 -0500 Received: from s060b021.kapsch.co.at (s060b021.kapsch.co.at) by ns.kapsch.net (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:18:20 +0100 Received: from PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at ([148.198.11.115]) by s060b021.kapsch.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:18:20 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: sgroup FAQ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:18:20 -0500 Message-ID: <7106E489D7E9DE44B3FDA28A4ECB22764C0E3B@PUMBAA.kapsch.co.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sgroup FAQ Thread-Index: AcLe9CeD0xbsG2gZT4O3ts3wrmyDYAADiOkQ From: "Ullrich Peter" To: "Bernie Maier" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2003 08:18:20.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[F44B1D80:01C2DF01] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi! >Q: Can I use a standard PC mouse with a Roland sampler? > >A: The Roland sampler's mouse uses different wiring to both the >PS/2 mouse and serial mouse common on PCs. The Roland sampler's >mouse is a standard MSX computer mouse. More detailed information >on this topic, along some how to convert signals from the Atari mouse >and the Amiga mouse is available at: > > http://home.pages.at/pullrich/mu1mouse.htm Thanx for mentioning my page!=20 >Details (apparently in Portuguese) on converting PS/2 mouse signals >to MSX are at: > > http://www.vespanet.com.br/~manuxcritos/psIImouse.htm Forget this page - Information is wrong - can not work! Ciao Peter \|/ (o o) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------------ Ing. Peter Ullrich mailto:peter.ullrich@kapsch.net Homepage: www.ullrich.at.tt , http://come.to/ullrich As of 1st of February there are new numbers: Phone: +43 (0)50 811 2265 Fax: +43 (0)-50 811 2209 eFax: +43 (0)50 811 992265 .oooO Hardware & Software Developer / Electronic Musician ( ) Oooo. 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