From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 2 06:59:31 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15671>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:59:23 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f251.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.76]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15671>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:59:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 03:59:14 -0700 Received: from 195.182.182.17 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:59:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.182.182.17] From: "andrew mclean" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup w30 sampling workstation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:59:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2000 10:59:14.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD8DC730:01C02C5F] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 2 07:06:47 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15671>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:06:38 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f287.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.162]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15672>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:06:27 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 04:06:18 -0700 Received: from 195.182.182.17 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:06:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.182.182.17] From: "andrew mclean" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup w30 sampling workstation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:06:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2000 11:06:18.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA556310:01C02C60] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi,having trouble with putting sample into apatch,can anyone please help? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 2 09:46:05 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-15672>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:45:58 -0400 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.148]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-15672>; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:45:51 -0400 Received: from paldek (pool-207-205-217-133.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.217.133]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA30509; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004601c02c90$17c25b60$85d9cdcf@ix.netcom.com> From: "Marc Plainguet" To: "andrew mclean" , References: Subject: Re: sgroup w30 sampling workstation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:44:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > Hi,having trouble with putting sample into apatch,can anyone please help? Specifically what are you having trouble with. Once you create your tones you must go to the patch area and create your splits. Make sure you select your tones and then press the buttons to set 1 or 2 or both tones, THEN press the keys you want those tones to appear on. Do you have a manual? If you have more specific questions I'd be glad to help. Marc - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 4 09:40:59 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-23622>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:40:51 -0400 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-23622>; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:40:48 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-31-165.tnt4.me2.uunet.de [149.225.31.165]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id PAA22406 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:40:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <39DB31B9.1E406B4B@cityweb.de> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:33:46 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup partials References: <200009301521.KAA08344@elmls01.ce.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk aeon wrote: > >Yes, I find this annoying too. Even worse is the fact that one media > >(HD, CD-ROM, etc.) can only hold 4096 partials. Why the heck do they > >allow more samples (8192 on one media) than partials?? > > Simple...because you can assign up to 4 samples per partial! ...but you can also assign one and the same sample to more than one partial. And this happens very often when converting from Akai format. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 5 11:14:49 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-26209>; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:14:41 -0400 Received: from smtp-tor.internetconnect.net ([209.191.75.194]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-26209>; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:14:37 -0400 Received: from [64.13.225.37] ([64.13.225.37]) by smtp-tor.internetconnect.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24926; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: ferru@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007401c0290e$3af52840$c512dcc8@hal9000> References: <007401c0290e$3af52840$c512dcc8@hal9000> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:07:08 -0400 To: newcar@unisys.com.br From: Frank Ferrucci Subject: Re: sgroup S-760 CD Format Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Newton: I just tried the following and this works. It may not be what you need, but: I keep all custom volumes/patches from various projects on 1 gb HDs formatted by the s760 (The 760 will only format 650 mb regardless of the capacity of the drive). I occasionally backup to CD using Adaptec Toast's scsi copy feature. =46rank >Hi there... > >My question is: How could I assemble a Roland S760 CD from >individual assorted files from floppy disks or even from others >Roland CD=B4s? > >Newton Cardoso - Brazil -- =46rank Ferrucci Leenalisa Music, Inc. 220 West 19 Street 6th Floor New York, NY 10011 email:frank@criara.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 5 15:35:09 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-2389>; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:34:59 -0400 Received: from tigre.ucb.br ([200.236.72.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-26209>; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:34:49 -0400 Received: from poli06 (country.ucb.br [200.236.72.12]) by tigre.ucb.br (8.11.0/8.11.0-HS1) with ESMTP id e95JZmT14828 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:35:49 -0300 Message-ID: <001001c02f04$632a8700$087d000a@ucb.br> Reply-To: "Ls2" From: "Ls2" To: References: <200009301521.KAA08344@elmls01.ce.mediaone.net> <39DB31B9.1E406B4B@cityweb.de> Subject: sgroup s550 CD5 Utility Disc Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:42:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have downloaded it 3 times from the generalconcepts archives and used sdisk to make the image file. I cant use any sampler utility. When I press Utility button it loads the disc. However when I choose a Function from the Utylity Menu the drive starts working and stops but nothing comes to the screen. Is the utilitydisk image file from generalconcepts corrupted? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 8 08:07:18 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-6877>; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:07:09 -0400 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-6876>; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:06:56 -0400 Received: from cartman.netbert (brian-boitano177.zip.com.au [210.23.147.177]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA29689; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:06:22 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200010081206.XAA29689@vasquez.zip.com.au> From: "Bernie Maier" To: "Roland Samplers List" , "sjs@bstage.com" Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:08:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Bernie Maier" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: sgroup Copying S-50/S-550 CD-ROM's Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:35:21 -0700, Steve Schow wrote: > So,would you say that if I just want to copy a Roland disc, which mode do I > put CDRWin into to do that? Shouldn't I be able to just copy the disc with > CDRWin, without going through all this stuff you had to do in order to burn > a disc from your harddrive? By Roland disk, do you mean a Roland CD-ROM, or just a Roland-formatted fixed disk? If it's a CD-ROM, you can use the "backup disk" option in CDRWin. As far as I know, there isn't an option to do a straight "SCSI copy" from disk to CD in CDRWin itself. There is that DISK2CD.EXE tool which might do the job - it just wasn't suitable for my circumstances, but it certainly sounds pretty straightforward to use. > That's good info though... thanks Sorry about the late reply for this one - I skipped downloading my email last weekend. Cheers, Bernie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Remember - prog [rock] isn't dead - it just bloats up in the sun and smells really weird..." - Henry Warwick - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sat Oct 14 03:17:05 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-24090>; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:16:56 -0400 Received: from mail.hotkey.net.au ([202.138.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-24090>; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:16:53 -0400 Received: from uberpig.optusnet.com.au (unknown [202.138.26.248]) by mail.hotkey.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29864007 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:16:47 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20001014180320.02d84cf0@mail.optusnet.com.au> X-Sender: voytekl@mail.optusnet.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:17:34 -0400 To: Sgroup From: Voytek Lapinski Subject: sgroup s760 SCSI Transfers... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hey sampler people. I just bought myself a SCSI card and was wondering if I could get this SCSI transfer thing going between my PC and my s760. I guess I have a few questions. First, what programs can do it? Is the Generic SCSI/SMDI thing that SoundForge can do going to work? I tried and it couldnt even see anything on the SCSI ID that the S760 is on (although it saw my zip drive and my CD drive fine). Is ANYONE actually doing this successfully? The other thing is: what are the dangers, if any, of having the s760 and my PC as masters on the same bus? I've already assigned them different IDs and everything seems to be cool but once I buy my lightning fast extremely huge disk for audio which will have my life on it and stick it on there as well I want to be sure that I won't lose data. Cheers all. Any help would be extremely appreciated. ------------------------ voytek lapinski http://irgulight.n3.net/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 16 06:40:28 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-10563>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:40:21 -0400 Received: from mail5.microsoft.com ([131.107.3.121]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193673-10563>; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:40:10 -0400 Received: from 157.54.9.108 by mail5.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:40:04 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Received: by INET-IMC-05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:39:50 -0700 Message-ID: <9CCB057678B0AD4790A83CC97684D1F048BB77@dub-msg-01.europe.corp.microsoft.com> From: Peter Fitzpatrick To: Sgroup Subject: sgroup current prices for S760 samplers ? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:01:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I *might* be selling my two S760 samplers (both have 32MB RAM) What is the current going rate for these beasts ? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 18 23:15:23 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-22843>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:15:18 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f283.hotmail.com [209.185.130.222]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-22843>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:15:07 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:15:03 -0700 Received: from 203.0.44.2 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:15:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.0.44.2] From: "nick epifanidis" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: sgroup RE: S760 Timing Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:15:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2000 03:15:03.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5FADF80:01C0397A] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I'd like to hear from anybody that has experienced any timimg issues with the S760 , particularly when using loops. I am trying to use a particular loop which appears to go out of time according to the beats as sequenced through cubase. The thing is its not an audible timing problem but one that is obvious once you start multitracking through cubase. I'm not sure if the problem is the loop itself or the S760/midi timing etc. Any assistance would be much appreciated CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 18 23:51:59 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193674-22843>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:51:53 -0400 Received: from mail.hotkey.net.au ([202.138.0.33]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-22843>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:51:46 -0400 Received: from voytek (unknown [202.138.0.30]) by mail.hotkey.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8294D42CB; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:51:40 +1100 (EST) Received: from voytekl by voytek with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13m6lF-0003VX-00; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:52:57 +1100 Content-Length: 893 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:52:57 -0400 From: Voytek Lapinski To: nick epifanidis Subject: RE: sgroup RE: S760 Timing Cc: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On 19-Oct-2000 nick epifanidis wrote: > > I'd like to hear from anybody that has experienced any timimg issues with > the S760 , particularly when using loops. I am trying to use a > particular loop which appears to go out of time according to the beats > as sequenced through cubase. The thing is its not an audible timing problem > but one that is obvious once you start multitracking through > cubase. I'm not sure if the problem is the loop itself or the S760/midi > timing etc. Are you retrigerring the loop from cubase every time, or are you just trigerring it once at the start and then letting it loop itself? If the latter it will definately drift, even if its exactly the right number of samples for the tempo, because cubase and the s760 are going to have slightly different clocks. Just retrigger it every bar (or whatever). --- voytek lapinski http://irgulight.n3.net - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 19 05:06:18 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193678-25283>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:06:09 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-25283>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:05:55 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA28172; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (lg1extra1.dashmail.net [216.36.20.97]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08046; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'nick epifanidis'" , Subject: RE: sgroup RE: S760 Timing Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:05:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Cubase is infamous for having midi timing problems. I would suspect the problem lies there. One thing you can do to make Cubase's timing more solid is to record an empty audio track with no sound neccessarily. For some reason, if Cubase has audio to keep track of...it does a MUCH better job of getting the midi timing right. I know...bizarre, but that has been the trick people do supposedly... good luck -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: nick epifanidis [mailto:nikep99@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:15 AM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup RE: S760 Timing > > > > I'd like to hear from anybody that has experienced any timimg > issues with > the S760 , particularly when using loops. I am trying to use a > particular loop which appears to go out of time according to the beats > as sequenced through cubase. The thing is its not an audible > timing problem > but one that is obvious once you start multitracking through > cubase. I'm not sure if the problem is the loop itself or the > S760/midi > timing etc. > > Any assistance would be much appreciated > > > CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Fri Oct 20 06:44:41 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-24514>; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:44:31 -0400 Received: from tigre.ucb.br ([200.236.72.1]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-24514>; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:44:25 -0400 Received: from poli06 (country.ucb.br [200.236.72.12]) by tigre.ucb.br (8.11.0/8.11.0-HS1) with ESMTP id e9K9jkM12218 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:45:52 -0100 Message-ID: <008501c03a82$cedad020$087d000a@ucb.br> Reply-To: "Ls2" From: "Ls2" To: "Roland Samplers List" References: <200010081206.XAA29689@vasquez.zip.com.au> Subject: sgroup s550 1.15 utility disk Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:44:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ive posted this message here and got no answer. I would like to know where I can download the s550 utility disk. The file from general concepts seems to be corrupted as when I load it to the sampler and try to use any function (sampling, filters...) nothing happens. Can anyone help me? ___________________________ http://pagina.de/tuntistun - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 09:49:53 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:49:51 -0400 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:49:47 -0400 Received: from cartman.netbert (starvin-marvin63.zip.com.au [210.23.142.63]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA07446 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:49:39 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200010221349.AAA07446@vasquez.zip.com.au> From: "Bernie Maier" To: "Roland Samplers List" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:51:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Bernie Maier" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sgroup s760 SCSI Transfers... Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:17:34 -0400, Voytek Lapinski wrote: > Hey sampler people. > > I just bought myself a SCSI card and was wondering if I could get this SCSI > transfer thing going between my PC and my s760. > > I guess I have a few questions. First, what programs can do it? Is the > Generic SCSI/SMDI thing that SoundForge can do going to work? I tried and > it couldnt even see anything on the SCSI ID > that the S760 is on (although it saw my zip drive and my CD drive fine). Is > ANYONE actually doing this successfully? I have not seen anyone post here saying they've got a SCSI transfer happening between SoundForge and the S-760. When I read the FAQ on Sonic Foundary's web site, I was pretty convinced that SoundForge would NOT be able to SCSI transfer to the S-760. I believe the S-760 does not implement SMDI (it is not mentioned in any of the documentation). The only successful reports I've heard are from the Mac world. I vaguely recall one of the main problems in the Windows world is that the S-760 does not respond to a SCSI message to identify itself. It's the replies to this message that you see from your SCSI devices when you boot your PC. Also, the S-760 needs to be put into a "SCSI Remote" mode before any of the SCSI stuff can happen. This is done via a MIDI system exclusive message. All in all, it doesn't look very hopeful in the non-Mac world. > The other thing is: what are the dangers, if any, of having the s760 and my > PC as masters on the same bus? I've already assigned them different IDs and > everything seems to be cool but once I buy my lightning fast extremely huge > disk for audio which will have my life on it and stick it on there as well > I want to be sure that I won't lose data. I share a SCSI bus between my S-760, a PC (running FreeBSD as it happens, but it used to be a Windows PC on the chain), a Zip drive and a Jaz drive, and I've had no problems (despite dire warnings about the Jaz drive). Cheers, Bernie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We share half our genes with the banana." - Robert May, UK Chief Scientist - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 18:39:05 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:38:57 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (02-080.009.popsite.net [207.227.230.80]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21191 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:55:54 -0700 Message-Id: <200010222255.PAA21191@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:38:44 -0400 To: "Roland Samplers List" From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup s760 SCSI Transfers... In-Reply-To: <200010221349.AAA07446@vasquez.zip.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 09:51 AM 10/22/00 -0400, Bernie Maier wrote: >I share a SCSI bus between my S-760, a PC (running FreeBSD as it happens, >but it used to be a Windows PC on the chain), a Zip drive and a Jaz drive, >and I've had no problems (despite dire warnings about the Jaz drive). I predict you will learn to fear the Jaz drive. I couldn't figure out why people were so negative about them because I'd had mine for several years with no issues, then had another one actually physically destroy one of my disks. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 18:58:06 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27114>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:57:57 -0400 Received: from smtp01.mail.onemain.com (smtp-out003.onemain.com [63.208.208.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-27114>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:57:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 10717 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2000 22:57:48 -0000 Received: from 209-239-213-184.lax.jps.net (HELO zvsserver) ([209.239.213.184]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.209.20.31 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Oct 2000 22:57:48 -0000 From: "James Thomas" To: Subject: sgroup Jaz Drives Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:59:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c03c7b$cbf292d0$0100a8c0@zvsserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200010222255.PAA21191@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > I predict you will learn to fear the Jaz drive. I couldn't figure out why > people were so negative about them because I'd had mine for several years with > no issues, then had another one actually physically destroy one of my > disks. > I've had two - one is a warranty replacement for another one. I've been curious about something for a while though: For those that have had problems with Jaz drives, have the units been their external units, or the internal units mounted in some other way? I've been suspicious since the beginning that the external units were inadequately cooled. I've always used mine either mounted in a case or in a larger external enclosure. FWIW I'm not planning on buying any more media, since for the price of one you can pick up a much larger drive now. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 19:18:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:17:59 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:17:49 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (08-206.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.206]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21249 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:34:46 -0700 Message-Id: <200010222334.QAA21249@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:17:39 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup Jaz Drives In-Reply-To: <000901c03c7b$cbf292d0$0100a8c0@zvsserver> References: <200010222255.PAA21191@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 06:59 PM 10/22/00 -0400, James Thomas wrote: >For those that have had problems with Jaz drives, have the units been their >external units, or the internal units mounted in some other way? The one which catastrophically failed was external, but so is the one I have that is still operational (although used more as a SCSI terminator than anything else at this point). >I've been suspicious since the beginning that the external units were >inadequately cooled. I've always used mine either mounted in a case or in a >larger external enclosure. Yes, I suspect this is the case as well. >FWIW I'm not planning on buying any more media, since for the price of one >you can pick up a much larger drive now. Heh. Exactly. This especially applies if you run into a disk-destroying model like the one I did. I've never seen US$100 evaporate so quickly and needlessly. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 19:20:46 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27114>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:20:37 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-27114>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:20:31 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29979; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (lg1extra1.dashmail.net [216.36.20.97]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12462; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: "'Ben Lincoln'" , Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:20:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200010222334.QAA21249@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've had extremely bad luck with my Jaz 2GB model. Lost at least 8GB of data on 5 different cartridges...which are unusable now. Jaz drives are pieces of junk and I'll never use them again. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Lincoln [mailto:angelform@iname.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 4:18 PM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup Jaz Drives > > > At 06:59 PM 10/22/00 -0400, James Thomas wrote: > > >For those that have had problems with Jaz drives, have the > units been their > >external units, or the internal units mounted in some other way? > > The one which catastrophically failed was external, but > so is the one > I have that is still operational (although used more as a > SCSI terminator > than anything else at this point). > > >I've been suspicious since the beginning that the external units were > >inadequately cooled. I've always used mine either mounted > in a case or in a > >larger external enclosure. > > Yes, I suspect this is the case as well. > > >FWIW I'm not planning on buying any more media, since for > the price of one > >you can pick up a much larger drive now. > > Heh. Exactly. This especially applies if you run into a > disk-destroying > model like the one I did. I've never seen US$100 evaporate so > quickly and > needlessly. > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 19:41:41 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:41:32 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:41:29 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (08-206.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.206]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21287 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:58:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200010222358.QAA21287@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:41:19 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives In-Reply-To: References: <200010222334.QAA21249@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 04:20 PM 10/22/00 -0700, Steve Schow wrote: >I've had extremely bad luck with my Jaz 2GB model. Lost at least 8GB of >data on 5 different cartridges...which are unusable now. Jaz drives are >pieces of junk and I'll never use them again. Yeah, I've never been so pissed off at a piece of equipment in my life. I hate when people smash gear onstage, I hate when people throw out stuff that is still even sort of useable, but that one that ate my disk had an unfortunate accident which involved colliding at high speed with a concrete floor. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 19:51:13 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:51:04 -0400 Received: from smtp02.mail.onemain.com (smtp-out003.onemain.com [63.208.208.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:50:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 2575 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2000 23:50:50 -0000 Received: from 209-239-213-184.lax.jps.net (HELO zvsserver) ([209.239.213.184]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.209.20.32 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Oct 2000 23:50:50 -0000 From: "James Thomas" To: Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c03c83$347ccb70$0100a8c0@zvsserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200010222358.QAA21287@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Oh, so they also have very low shock tolerance? Good to know. :) > Yeah, I've never been so pissed off at a piece of equipment in my life. > I hate when people smash gear onstage, I hate when people throw out > stuff that is still even sort of useable, but that one that ate my disk had > an unfortunate accident which involved colliding at high speed with a > concrete floor. ____________________________________________ James W. Thomas ZVSMedia.com - Music/Video Entertainment ***Free Music!*** -Progressive Metal from animalFarm http://mp3.com/animalfarm -Metal/Industrial from Nation of Lies http://mp3.com/nol - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 20:29:57 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:29:53 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-27115>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:29:37 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (08-173.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.173]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA21362 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:46:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200010230046.RAA21362@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:29:28 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives In-Reply-To: <000b01c03c83$347ccb70$0100a8c0@zvsserver> References: <200010222358.QAA21287@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 07:52 PM 10/22/00 -0400, James Thomas wrote: >Oh, so they also have very low shock tolerance? Good to know. :) Actually, it was kind of amusing. What happened was the drive struck the floor and exploded in a spray of its major components - upper, lower, and front plastic case, main internal mechanism, SCSI interface board, and the plastic window from the top of the box. I could probably have reassembled it into an almost perfect-looking whole again, but of course the internal mechanism would still be on a disk-destroying spree. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 20:58:50 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27114>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:58:43 -0400 Received: from smtp04.mail.onemain.com (smtp-out003.onemain.com [63.208.208.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-27114>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:58:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 26495 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2000 00:58:32 -0000 Received: from 209-239-213-184.lax.jps.net (HELO zvsserver) ([209.239.213.184]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.209.20.34 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Oct 2000 00:58:32 -0000 From: "James Thomas" To: Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:00:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c03c8c$a8e064a0$0100a8c0@zvsserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200010230046.RAA21362@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > could probably have reassembled it into an almost perfect-looking > whole again, but of course the internal mechanism would still be on > a disk-destroying spree. > Who knows - it may have worked better. :) ____________________________________________ James W. Thomas ZVSMedia.com - Music/Video Entertainment ***Free Music!*** -Progressive Metal from animalFarm http://mp3.com/animalfarm -Metal/Industrial from Nation of Lies http://mp3.com/nol - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 22 21:05:59 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-27114>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:05:51 -0400 Received: from www.peak.sfu.ca ([142.58.230.123]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-27114>; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:05:47 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (08-173.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.173]) by www.peak.sfu.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21443 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:22:38 -0700 Message-Id: <200010230122.SAA21443@www.peak.sfu.ca> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:05:33 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives In-Reply-To: <000c01c03c8c$a8e064a0$0100a8c0@zvsserver> References: <200010230046.RAA21362@www.peak.sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 09:00 PM 10/22/00 -0400, James Thomas wrote: >Who knows - it may have worked better. :) Hahah. The sticker price for that experiment would have been too high for me =). - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 23 18:04:38 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-13808>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:04:31 -0400 Received: from mail.drexel.edu ([129.25.3.58]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-13808>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:04:25 -0400 Received: from webmail.drexel.edu (webmail.drexel.edu [129.25.3.29]) by mail.drexel.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with ESMTP id <0G2W00LGPLB2T3@mail.drexel.edu> for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:01:38 -0400 From: st95za4y Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-id: <0G2W00LGQLB2T3@mail.drexel.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00003005 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk OK.. now that we have the final word on JAZ drives. makes me wonder.. is my 100MB ZIP drive doomed to fail as well? i just use it exclusively for backing up samples from a JS-30.. and has never failed hiccupped, or choked for the two years i have used it.. Anyone have any bad experiences with thier ZIPs? ..................................................... Can the Roland JS-30 read EMU sample formats from its SCSI bus? Since i do not yet own a S-series sampler, i have not had the opportunity to price and/ or locate S-series CD-roms? Can any one recommend a good distributer for prices and selections? in particular i need a good assortment of drum arrangements above anything else.. thanks for any advice one can lend. jonathan email:st95za4y@drexel.edu home:http://www.junofish.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 23 20:27:30 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-13809>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:27:22 -0400 Received: from imo-r14.mail.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-13809>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:27:15 -0400 Received: from JLMjr@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id 7.79.b1d0658 (4340); Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:27:02 -0400 (EDT) From: JLMjr@aol.com Message-ID: <79.b1d0658.27263156@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:27:02 -0400 Subject: sgroup Zip Drives To: st95za4y@drexel.edu, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have a zip drive that experienced the 'click of death'. It was literally dead for over two years, until I ran across a web page that explained how to fix it. It was amazing, it took every bit of 5 minutes to fix it. It has been working flawlessly for about 4 months now, no problems at all. Look for that page, search on "click of death", it's a well done page by an individual and it explains the whole phenomenon. By the way, I was fortunate enough not to lose any data. I HAVE lost data on a JAZ drive though. The files are still there, they're just corrupted. The files are JPEG files that I collected over several months of using a Digital Camera. About 80% of the 2000 or so files on that disk are now corrupted. This disk that lost data is now shaky at best. Sometimes it makes a 'clicking' noise while the Mac is trying to access it. I avoid using that disk. I have two Jaz drives, one of which was purchased on eBay. I don't REALLY trust that drive any more, as it was the one that "ate' my data. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 23 21:10:18 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-13808>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:10:10 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (lc4-lfd55.law5.hotmail.com [216.32.243.77]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-13808>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:10:00 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:09:55 -0700 Received: from 206.126.7.132 by www.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:09:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.126.7.132] From: "Spray Cheese" To: st95za4y@drexel.edu, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:09:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 01:09:55.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F0BCCD0:01C03D57] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > >Anyone have any bad experiences with thier ZIPs? > oh lord dont get me started... yes, on plenty of them. between work and home, i've heard the click of death on no less than 7 zip drives in 2 years. plastic junk. for a while, i was working at a print shop and it seemed as thought every tenth Zip Disk that came in was corrupt in some way. then again, i've met plenty of people who have had a single zip drive for years without any problems. moral of the story may be to not let me anywhere near you drive. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 23 21:54:18 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-13808>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:54:13 -0400 Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (hs-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.154]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-13808>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:53:58 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id VAA23963 for sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:53:16 -0400 From: dennis barton Subject: sgroup zip drive alternative? To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-ID: <200010232153_MC2-B824-5672@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone have a syggestion for a drive to use with a s760. ZIPs and JAZ have scary reps, so I wonder what other portable format work= s on these machines? Orb? |_e_/~ Dennis Barton ) skylab2000 ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles / http://skylab2000.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 23 22:34:56 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-13809>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:34:48 -0400 Received: from millenicom.millenicom.com ([209.150.128.197]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-13809>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:34:45 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (06-086.009.popsite.net [207.227.232.86]) by millenicom.millenicom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10034 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:34:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200010240234.VAA10034@millenicom.millenicom.com> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:34:24 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives In-Reply-To: <0G2W00LGQLB2T3@mail.drexel.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 06:01 PM 10/23/00 -0400, st95za4y wrote: >makes me wonder.. is my 100MB ZIP drive doomed to fail as well? > >i just use it exclusively for backing up samples from a JS-30.. and has never >failed hiccupped, or choked for the two years i have used it.. > >Anyone have any bad experiences with thier ZIPs? Actually, I've had a LOT of experience with Zip drives, and have never had a problem, even in the days of the Click of Death. They're like the anti-Jaz drive: Cheap, slow, smaller capacity, more reliable. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Mon Oct 23 22:50:22 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-13809>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:50:13 -0400 Received: from mail.wtjam.net ([208.238.46.142]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-13808>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:50:01 -0400 Received: from [208.238.46.218] [208.238.46.218] by mail.wtjam.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A8BE152601C4; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:41:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp@mail.wtjam.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <79.b1d0658.27263156@aol.com> References: <79.b1d0658.27263156@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:46:59 -0400 To: JLMjr@aol.com, sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup Zip Drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 8:27 pm -0400 23/10/2000, JLMjr@aol.com wrote: >I have a zip drive that experienced the 'click of death'. It was literally >dead for over two years, until I ran across a web page that explained how to >fix it. It was amazing, it took every bit of 5 minutes to fix it. It has been >working flawlessly for about 4 months now, no problems at all. Look for that >page, search on "click of death", it's a well done page by an individual and >it explains the whole phenomenon. > could you please please post that link.. I would imagine it matters on your search engine for one to find the page that you did. thanks, rsp -- richard sven patterson rsp@wtjam.net 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music Please note NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: rsp@wtjam.net - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 00:34:01 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:33:55 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.31.30]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:33:48 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:33:40 -0700 Received: from 24.112.158.229 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:33:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.112.158.229] From: "Andrew Petrasiunas" To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup zip drive alternative? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:33:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 04:33:40.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[955F7B90:01C03D73] Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I have been using a Syquest 135 flawlessly for over five(?)... well at least three years. Have lots of carts - each 760 session gets its own cart - save about 4 complete unique set ups w/samples i.e. 32megX4. Andrew. >From: dennis barton >To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca >Subject: sgroup zip drive alternative? >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:53:16 -0400 > > >Hi, > >Does anyone have a syggestion for a drive to use with a s760. > >ZIPs and JAZ have scary reps, so I wonder what other portable format works >on these machines? Orb? > > |_e_/~ Dennis Barton > ) skylab2000 > ~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > / http://skylab2000.com > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca >and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 01:08:45 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:08:40 -0400 Received: from millenicom.millenicom.com ([209.150.128.197]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:08:30 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (10-075.009.popsite.net [207.227.233.75]) by millenicom.millenicom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA12339 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:08:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200010240508.AAA12339@millenicom.millenicom.com> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:08:17 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup zip drive alternative? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 12:33 AM 10/24/00 -0400, Andrew Petrasiunas wrote: >I have been using a Syquest 135 flawlessly for over five(?)... well at least >three years. Have lots of carts - each 760 session gets its own cart - save >about 4 complete unique set ups w/samples i.e. 32megX4. Yeah, those are pretty nice - we had a couple at the school where I studied music. The only problems are that (a) they're not manufactured anymore and (b) the loading/unloading lever scheme was funky and felt like it was going to break all the time. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 01:17:41 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:17:34 -0400 Received: from netgate.co.nz ([202.27.201.4]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:17:28 -0400 Received: from [202.27.201.27] (27.netgate.co.nz [202.27.201.27]) by netgate.co.nz (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05603 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:16:20 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: craigus@netgate.co.nz Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010240508.AAA12339@millenicom.millenicom.com> References: <200010240508.AAA12339@millenicom.millenicom.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:18:12 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Craig Harris Subject: Re: sgroup zip drive alternative? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1239757796==_ma============" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk --============_-1239757796==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" another alternative I wouldn't mind trying is a magneto optical drive - long life data storage and good value - anyone had any experience with one of these? I might try to track down a 2nd hand model that uses the smaller capacity drive. Cheers Craig -- - Windows 95: n. 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. band webpage: http://www.elusivetones.co.nz band mp3: http://www.mp3.com/elusivetones band email: mailto:elusivetones@email.com my email: mailto:craigus@bigfoot.com --============_-1239757796==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: sgroup zip drive alternative?
another alternative I wouldn't mind trying is a magneto optical drive - long life data storage and good value - anyone had any experience with one of these?
I might try to track down a 2nd hand model that uses the smaller capacity drive.

Cheers

Craig
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From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 01:34:59 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:34:51 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193674-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:34:47 -0400 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04667; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjspc (lg1extra1.dashmail.net [216.36.20.97]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04786; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: , , Subject: RE: sgroup Zip Drives Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:34:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <79.b1d0658.27263156@aol.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Exactly what happened to me too.....I lost a bunch of my precious digital photos just before I was about to burn a backup CDR. I will never ever use this Jaz drive again. I'm literally going to throw it in the trash can... -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: JLMjr@aol.com [mailto:JLMjr@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 5:27 PM > To: st95za4y@drexel.edu; sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: sgroup Zip Drives > > > I have a zip drive that experienced the 'click of death'. It > was literally > dead for over two years, until I ran across a web page that > explained how to > fix it. It was amazing, it took every bit of 5 minutes to fix > it. It has been > working flawlessly for about 4 months now, no problems at > all. Look for that > page, search on "click of death", it's a well done page by an > individual and > it explains the whole phenomenon. > > By the way, I was fortunate enough not to lose any data. I > HAVE lost data on > a JAZ drive though. The files are still there, they're just > corrupted. The > files are JPEG files that I collected over several months of > using a Digital > Camera. About 80% of the 2000 or so files on that disk are > now corrupted. > This disk that lost data is now shaky at best. Sometimes it makes a > 'clicking' noise while the Mac is trying to access it. I > avoid using that > disk. I have two Jaz drives, one of which was purchased on > eBay. I don't > REALLY trust that drive any more, as it was the one that > "ate' my data. > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 04:31:32 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193677-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:31:23 -0400 Received: from smtp04.mail.onemain.com (smtp-out003.onemain.com [63.208.208.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193674-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:31:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 20741 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 08:31:09 -0000 Received: from 209-239-212-75.lax.jps.net (HELO zvsland) ([209.239.212.75]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.209.20.34 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Oct 2000 08:31:09 -0000 From: "James Thomas" To: Subject: RE: sgroup zip drive alternative? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 04:33:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c03d95$19550e80$1a00a8c0@zvsland> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200010240508.AAA12339@millenicom.millenicom.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk I've used those before. I've actually had worse luck with them than Jaz drives. :( -----Original Message----- At 12:33 AM 10/24/00 -0400, Andrew Petrasiunas wrote: >I have been using a Syquest 135 flawlessly for over five(?)... well at least >three years. Have lots of carts - each 760 session gets its own cart - save >about 4 complete unique set ups w/samples i.e. 32megX4. Yeah, those are pretty nice - we had a couple at the school where I studied music. The only problems are that (a) they're not manufactured anymore and (b) the loading/unloading lever scheme was funky and felt like it was going to break all the time. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 08:21:16 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193681-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:21:09 -0400 Received: from picker.com (central2.picker.com [144.54.3.2]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:20:59 -0400 Received: from [144.54.57.67] (HELO kayak.ct.picker.com) by picker.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3b1) with SMTP id 6960071 for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:20:49 -0400 Received: by kayak.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA10259; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:20:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:20:50 -0400 From: shermane@ct.picker.com (Sherman) Message-Id: <200010241220.IAA10259@kayak.ct.picker.com> To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Zip Drives X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > From: JLMjr@aol.com > I have a zip drive that experienced the 'click of death'. It was literally > dead for over two years, until I ran across a web page that explained how to > fix it. It was amazing, it took every bit of 5 minutes to fix it. It has been > working flawlessly for about 4 months now, no problems at all. Look for that > page, search on "click of death", it's a well done page by an individual and > it explains the whole phenomenon. > Found it. http://www.accesszone.com/clickdeath/ One of the comments from someone who fixed their zip said they also fixed their jaz drive the same way. -Mike -------------------------------------------------------------- Michael E. Sherman michael.sherman@marconimed.com Senior Engineer voice: 440-483-4609 Marconi Medical Systems fax: 440-483-7098 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 10:03:00 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193682-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:02:59 -0400 Received: from mail.wtjam.net ([208.238.46.142]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:02:55 -0400 Received: from [208.238.46.222] [208.238.46.222] by mail.wtjam.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A68F82F701C4; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:54:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rsp@mail.wtjam.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200010241220.IAA10259@kayak.ct.picker.com> References: <200010241220.IAA10259@kayak.ct.picker.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:00:29 -0400 To: shermane@ct.picker.com (Sherman), sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup Zip Drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 8:20 am -0400 24/10/2000, Sherman wrote: > > From: JLMjr@aol.com > >> I have a zip drive that experienced the 'click of death'. It was literally >> dead for over two years, until I ran across a web page that explained how to >> fix it. It was amazing, it took every bit of 5 minutes to fix it. >>It has been >> working flawlessly for about 4 months now, no problems at all. Look for that >> page, search on "click of death", it's a well done page by an individual and >> it explains the whole phenomenon. >> >Found it. > http://www.accesszone.com/clickdeath/ > thank you thank you thank you. sherlock nor IE's default search engine never found this last night for me. rsp -- richard sven patterson rsp@wtjam.net 876-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 876-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music Please note NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: rsp@wtjam.net - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 11:48:48 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193683-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:48:39 -0400 Received: from babcom.loud-n-clear.net ([194.205.225.8]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:48:29 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by babcom.loud-n-clear.net (NTMail 5.06.0016/NT0640.00.7ac444bb) with ESMTP id socjhaaa for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:48:23 +0100 Received: from [194.168.101.51] by babcom.loud-n-clear.net (NTMail 5.06.0016/NT0640.00.7ac444bb) with ESMTP id qocjhaaa for sgroup@lists.uunet.ca; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:48:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:48:23 -0400 From: shockwavejim@kerb.co.uk Subject: sgroup new s50 owner To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Message-Id: <15482344800105@babcom.kerb.co.uk> X-Mailer: NTMail v5.06.0016 X-Sender: shockwavejim@kerb.co.uk Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk hi everyone- I'm new to the list, I wonder how much traffic comes this way? I've recently bought a roland s50 and have lots of unanswered questions despite having a good trawl around the net, although I admit I haven't plundered the sgroup archives as I'm on a very low bandwidth connection at the moment. Any help would be greatly appreciated :) 1.repairs and maintennance *The LED panel blinks on and off as it pleases; are spares still available from Roland or is it an easily replaced component anyway? *I've got one sticky key and would like to give all the contacts a splash of cleaner anyway. I've opened the s50 up (its very neat and spacious inside, impressive) but it wasn't clear how to release the keyboard assembly. Anybody had experience of this? *My disk drive is fine but its a 15 year old instrument so I guess it will go sooner or later. Is there a faq for replacing the floppy drive? I noticed a WD1772 controller on the CPU PCB, I seem to remember one of those lurking inside my old Atari ST?! 2.the manual *Christ on a bike! the manual is truly dreadful!! Also it appears to make no reference to the version 2 operating system; which is the only version that came with my s50. Does anyone know if there is any detailed documentation for os v2 and is it true that there was a kind of 'supplemental' manual- perhaps written in something approaching English? If so where is it? I've read that the s50 is straightforward to use; I'd have to disagree to be honest (and I'm used to vintage/limited sampling, I had access to an Akai S900 for a long time) although I'm sure an external monitor is a huge help. 3.monitor, mouse, digitising tablet and RC100 *I wondered if there was ever a Roland branded monitor for the s-series? *What kinda mouse works? The socket looks like the old Amiga and Atari ones; anyone tried using either of these? Do you have to have the mouse to make use of the monitor? was there a Roland branded mouse? *Anybody have a picture of the digitising tablet or any detailed info? Rare as hen's teeth I presume? *Is the RC100 simply a remote control or does it add some kind of control surface, ie allow parameters to be tweaked in real time? Picture anybody? 4.patch editor *Is there a windows based patch editor? I found s550edit, a long shot, and unsurprisingly I couldn't persuade the two to talk. *Does the s50 support standard midi sample dump? I tried to set things up in Sound Forge but failed. 5.sys553/director-s *Any info on the 'sequencer' that was available. Are there disk images? Was it dongled? Anybody reverse engineer the dongle? Apologies to Roland Corp but I don't suppose you supply it anymore. 6.I know the answer to these really but hey maybe you know something I don't *memory upgrade? *connect a hard drive or ZIP disk? .. lots of questions! thanks to anyone who can help and if anyone knows of anything else I should know as a new s50 owner let me know. BTW if anyone's interested ... I got the s50 for 100ukp and whilst I'm annoyed that the LED is on its way out I'm pleased with the purchase. I figured 100ukp for a 61 key MIDI keyboard that transmits velocity and aftertouch with pitch-bend wheel and mod lever was a bargain (perviously I had no decent controller); add half a meg or thereabouts of lo-fi sampling, decent filters etc and well ... I think everyone should get one! thanks, jim - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 14:36:37 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:36:30 -0400 Received: from millenicom.millenicom.com ([209.150.128.197]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193684-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:36:19 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (09-017.009.popsite.net [207.227.233.17]) by millenicom.millenicom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27738 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:36:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200010241836.NAA27738@millenicom.millenicom.com> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:55:17 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup new s50 owner In-Reply-To: <15482344800105@babcom.kerb.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 10:48 AM 10/24/00 -0400, shockwavejim@kerb.co.uk wrote: >*My disk drive is fine but its a 15 year old instrument so I guess it will go sooner or later. Is there a faq for replacing the floppy drive? I >noticed a WD1772 controller on the CPU PCB, I seem to remember one of those lurking inside my old Atari ST?! I've been thinking the same thing about my S-330. It looks like a standard DD floppy drive, so assuming one of those can be found (which I have not had much luck in doing) I'm thinking it would be a straightforward swap. >I've read that the s50 is straightforward to use; I'd have to disagree to be honest >(and I'm used to vintage/limited sampling, I had access to an Akai S900 for a >long time) although I'm sure an external monitor is a huge help. Yeah, you NEED that external monitor, or at least a TV to hook up to. Don't bother trying otherwise =). I've got an Akai s950 and it is NOTHING like working with my S-330. The S-330 has its own benefits (like the big display on monitor/ tv), but yeah, it will be a whole new world for you. I found that the crappy manual that came with mine was willing to yield up its secrets, you just have to spend some time puzzling around - the part that took me the longest was figuring out multisampling, since that ability has all of like one paragraph in my manual. >3.monitor, mouse, digitising tablet and RC100 >*I wondered if there was ever a Roland branded monitor for the s-series? Yes. It looks like your standard early-80s RGB monitor, but has a Roland nameplate attached. Not really necessary, seriously, a B&W tv from a thrift store will work almost equally well - I got almost nothing out of having the colour capability. >*What kinda mouse works? The socket looks like the old Amiga and >Atari ones; anyone tried using either of these? Do you have to have >the mouse to make use of the monitor? was there a Roland branded mouse? There was a Roland branded mouse, and AFAIK it's the only kind that will work. You don't need it to use the monitor, but it is a bit of a help. >*Is the RC100 simply a remote control or does it add some kind of control >surface, ie allow parameters to be tweaked in real time? Picture anybody? Based on my experience with the mouse, the RC100 would be a much better way of navigating the OS. It's basically a big old remote control with buttons for everything and a dial. >4.patch editor >*Is there a windows based patch editor? I found s550edit, a long shot, and unsurprisingly I couldn't persuade the two to talk. >*Does the s50 support standard midi sample dump? I tried to set things up in Sound Forge but failed. Sound Diver supports editing, but I'm not sure how well. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 14:36:39 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:36:30 -0400 Received: from millenicom.millenicom.com ([209.150.128.197]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:36:19 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (09-017.009.popsite.net [207.227.233.17]) by millenicom.millenicom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27696 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:35:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200010241835.NAA27696@millenicom.millenicom.com> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:46:49 -0400 To: From: Ben Lincoln Subject: RE: sgroup zip drive alternative? In-Reply-To: <000901c03d95$19550e80$1a00a8c0@zvsland> References: <200010240508.AAA12339@millenicom.millenicom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk At 04:33 AM 10/24/00 -0400, James Thomas wrote: >I've used those before. I've actually had worse luck with them than Jaz >drives. :( Wow. I guess the moral of the story is "Use CD-R if you want removable storage" =). - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 15:28:39 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:28:30 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com [212.120.66.198]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-5041>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:28:27 -0400 Received: from [212.120.82.160] by mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20001024192823.NHTS7378.mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com@[212.120.82.160]> for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:28:23 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swank.inc@mail Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:27:22 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln (by way of Maurits Jonkergouw) Subject: Re: sgroup new s50 owner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >*What kinda mouse works? The socket looks like the old Amiga and >Atari ones; anyone tried using either of these? Do you have to have >the mouse to make use of the monitor? was there a Roland branded mouse? >> There was a Roland branded mouse, and AFAIK it's the only kind >>that will work. You don't need it to use the monitor, but it is a >>bit of a help. This is not true: You can use any kind of mouse from the early -long gone- MSX computer platform like Yamaha and Philips. The Philips SBC 3810 is EXCACTLY the same as the Roland's, only gray w/black buttons instead of black w/gray buttons. As a mather of fact, Philips manufactored them for Roland... I don't know about the Yamaha's MSX mouse. Never saw one in real life. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 17:46:17 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:46:09 -0400 Received: from smtp02.mail.onemain.com (smtp-out003.onemain.com [63.208.208.73]) by hugin.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193680-5040>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:46:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 22081 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2000 21:45:55 -0000 Received: from 209-239-215-46.lax.jps.net (HELO zvsserver) ([209.239.215.46]) (envelope-sender ) by 10.209.20.32 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Oct 2000 21:45:55 -0000 From: "James Thomas" To: Subject: RE: sgroup zip drive alternative? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:48:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c03e04$1ef0c220$0100a8c0@zvsserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200010241835.NAA27696@millenicom.millenicom.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Although I haven't used one personally, I've heard pretty good feedback about MO (magneto optical) drives over the long run. -----Original Message----- At 04:33 AM 10/24/00 -0400, James Thomas wrote: >I've used those before. I've actually had worse luck with them than Jaz >drives. :( Wow. I guess the moral of the story is "Use CD-R if you want removable storage" =). - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 17:51:38 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-23677>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:51:29 -0400 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.157]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193684-23677>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:51:26 -0400 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2ive238.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.8.104]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11189 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39F60617.BBA67CA5@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:58:47 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia Organization: Elanza X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,ko,zh MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup new s50 owner References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Ben Lincoln (by way of Maurits Jonkergouw)" wrote: > > This is not true: You can use any kind of mouse from the early -long > gone- MSX computer platform like Yamaha and Philips. The Philips SBC > 3810 is EXCACTLY the same as the Roland's, only gray w/black buttons > instead of black w/gray buttons. As a mather of fact, Philips > manufactored them for Roland... Wow, I didn't know the Roland mouse was available in any other form. Is there a source or a price for the Philips mouse? Jesse - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Tue Oct 24 17:55:08 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-23677>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:54:58 -0400 Received: from millenicom.millenicom.com ([209.150.128.197]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-23677>; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:54:52 -0400 Received: from l33t-fux0r (03-153.009.popsite.net [207.227.230.153]) by millenicom.millenicom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20387; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:54:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200010242154.QAA20387@millenicom.millenicom.com> X-Sender: blincoln@mail.millenicom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:54:35 -0400 To: Jesse Segovia , sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Ben Lincoln Subject: Re: sgroup new s50 owner In-Reply-To: <39F60617.BBA67CA5@mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk >"Ben Lincoln (by way of Maurits Jonkergouw)" didn't write: >> >> This is not true: You can use any kind of mouse from the early -long >> gone- MSX computer platform like Yamaha and Philips. The Philips SBC >> 3810 is EXCACTLY the same as the Roland's, only gray w/black buttons >> instead of black w/gray buttons. As a mather of fact, Philips >> manufactored them for Roland... Ah, that explains my ignorance. Wasn't the MSX only released in Europe? I certainly have never seen one over here. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 25 04:54:50 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-8107>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:54:42 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com [212.120.66.198]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-8107>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:54:36 -0400 Received: from [212.120.82.160] by mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20001025085430.CUVA22520.mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com@[212.120.82.160]> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:54:30 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swank.inc@mail (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:44:28 -0400 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Maurits Jonkergouw Subject: Re: sgroup new s50 owner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk "Maurits Jonkergouw" wrote: > > This is not true: You can use any kind of mouse from the early -long > gone- MSX computer platform like Yamaha and Philips. The Philips SBC > 3810 is EXCACTLY the same as the Roland's, only gray w/black buttons > instead of black w/gray buttons. As a mather of fact, Philips > manufactured them for Roland... Wow, I didn't know the Roland mouse was available in any other form. Is there a source or a price for the Philips mouse? Jesse I am afraid you'll have to buy them second hand, like I found them in a computer dump shop for $10. (Same goes for the RGB cinched green/colour monitors). BTW I did not know MSX wasn't released in the US... In that case it will be hard to find them. Maurits PS. Made w/S550 and other hardware: http://members.home.nl/swank.inc/ - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 25 08:26:00 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193685-8106>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:25:59 -0400 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193684-8106>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:25:48 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-30-84.tnt4.me2.uunet.de [149.225.30.84]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id OAA16678 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:25:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <39F59FE8.BA500F8C@cityweb.de> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:42:48 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Jaz Drives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Spray Cheese wrote: > then again, i've met plenty of people who have had a single zip drive for > years without any problems. I have my S-760 and a 100MB ZIP drive mounted in a 2U wooden rack case. Accidentally the rack dropped once onto an asphalt street from ca. 1 meter height - both sampler and ZIP still work ok. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 25 19:53:10 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-8107>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:53:02 -0400 Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-8107>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:52:58 -0400 Received: from monel - 63.42.32.121 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:52:42 -0700 Message-ID: <009501c03edf$60151f40$79202a3f@monel> From: "claybarker" To: Cc: References: <15482344800105@babcom.kerb.co.uk> Subject: Re: sgroup new s50 owner Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:57:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Hi Jim! I have an S-50. I agree with the manual sucking big time.Howver, I have had a lot of goo use out of the instrument ...ntil now. I think my flopy drive has gone kaput1 I t keeps asking me to insert S-50 disk, even though there is one in it! Have you had any luck in finding out if you can swap an old D floppy ? if so, then I think I can locat some at a compute rswap real cheap ,soon! Or is there a way to run a diagnostic on the S-50? Sometimes manufacturers have a simple little trick for their techs to use to reboot the system or run an internal diagnostic9 like holding down the zero button when you turn the computer on)...any help wil be gratly apprciated> clay ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:48 AM Subject: sgroup new s50 owner > hi everyone- I'm new to the list, I wonder how much traffic comes this way? > > I've recently bought a roland s50 and have lots of unanswered questions despite having a good trawl around the net, although I admit I haven't plundered the sgroup archives as I'm on a very low bandwidth connection at the moment. Any help would be greatly appreciated :) > > 1.repairs and maintennance > *The LED panel blinks on and off as it pleases; are spares still available from Roland or is it an easily replaced component anyway? > *I've got one sticky key and would like to give all the contacts a splash of cleaner anyway. I've opened the s50 up (its very neat and spacious inside, impressive) but it wasn't clear how to release the keyboard assembly. Anybody had experience of this? > *My disk drive is fine but its a 15 year old instrument so I guess it will go sooner or later. Is there a faq for replacing the floppy drive? I noticed a WD1772 controller on the CPU PCB, I seem to remember one of those lurking inside my old Atari ST?! > > 2.the manual > *Christ on a bike! the manual is truly dreadful!! Also it appears to make no reference to the version 2 operating system; which is the only version that came with my s50. Does anyone know if there is any detailed documentation for os v2 and is it true that there was a kind of 'supplemental' manual- perhaps written in something approaching English? If so where is it? I've read that the s50 is straightforward to use; I'd have to disagree to be honest (and I'm used to vintage/limited sampling, I had access to an Akai S900 for a long time) although I'm sure an external monitor is a huge help. > > 3.monitor, mouse, digitising tablet and RC100 > *I wondered if there was ever a Roland branded monitor for the s-series? > *What kinda mouse works? The socket looks like the old Amiga and Atari ones; anyone tried using either of these? Do you have to have the mouse to make use of the monitor? was there a Roland branded mouse? > *Anybody have a picture of the digitising tablet or any detailed info? Rare as hen's teeth I presume? > *Is the RC100 simply a remote control or does it add some kind of control surface, ie allow parameters to be tweaked in real time? Picture anybody? > > 4.patch editor > *Is there a windows based patch editor? I found s550edit, a long shot, and unsurprisingly I couldn't persuade the two to talk. > *Does the s50 support standard midi sample dump? I tried to set things up in Sound Forge but failed. > > 5.sys553/director-s > *Any info on the 'sequencer' that was available. Are there disk images? Was it dongled? Anybody reverse engineer the dongle? Apologies to Roland Corp but I don't suppose you supply it anymore. > > 6.I know the answer to these really but hey maybe you know something I don't > *memory upgrade? > *connect a hard drive or ZIP disk? > > .. lots of questions! thanks to anyone who can help and if anyone knows of anything else I should know as a new s50 owner let me know. > > BTW if anyone's interested ... I got the s50 for 100ukp and whilst I'm annoyed that the LED is on its way out I'm pleased with the purchase. I figured 100ukp for a 61 key MIDI keyboard that transmits velocity and aftertouch with pitch-bend wheel and mod lever was a bargain (perviously I had no decent controller); add half a meg or thereabouts of lo-fi sampling, decent filters etc and well ... I think everyone should get one! > > thanks, > jim > > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Wed Oct 25 20:44:30 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-8107>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:44:22 -0400 Received: from zmamail03.zma.compaq.com ([161.114.64.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-8107>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:44:12 -0400 Received: by zmamail03.zma.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id 177DA3DD0; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from excsin-gh01.asia.compaq.com (excsin-gh01.asia.compaq.com [16.177.2.7]) by zmamail03.zma.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D083E51 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by excsin-gh01.asia.compaq.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:44:04 +0800 Message-ID: <5AD7782D2FB2D11183CE0000F8023ACD2FB056@meoexc1.dhcp.meo.dec.com> From: "Epifanidis, Nick" To: "'sgroup@lists.uunet.ca'" Subject: sgroup FW: SDISK Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:43:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Just wondering if anyone can help me with an SDISK question. I'm getting the message "Diskette is too samll/large for file: " when trying to write a Roalnd disk iamge to the floppy drive on my PC. The floppy that I'm using is a standard 1.44 MB that was formatted on a Roland S760. I can read the floppy drive ok and it will create an empty 1.44MB disk image. Has anyone else had this problem??????? Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 26 08:46:54 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-27507>; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:46:45 -0400 Received: from bird.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.15]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-27508>; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:46:41 -0400 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-50-137.tnt8.me2.uunet.de [149.225.50.137]) by bird.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id OAA00538 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:46:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <39F82469.82028383@cityweb.de> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:32:42 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup new s50 owner References: <15482344800105@babcom.kerb.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk shockwavejim@kerb.co.uk wrote: > *I've got one sticky key and would like to give all the contacts a splash of cleaner anyway. I've opened the s50 up (its very neat and spacious inside, impressive) but it wasn't clear how to release the keyboard assembly. Anybody had experience of this? Don't know about the S-50, but I once had to disassemble a keyboard of a Roland A-80, and I can tell you it's impossible if you don't know how to do it. With the service manual it's easy though. > *What kinda mouse works? The socket looks like the old Amiga and Atari ones; anyone tried using either of these? An Atari mouse doesn't work, I tried this on a S-330. > was there a Roland branded mouse? Yes, it's called MU-1. It's also used with the newer S-7** samplers, so perhaps it's still available. > I found s550edit, a long shot, and unsurprisingly I couldn't persuade the two to talk. The S-50 and S-550/S-330 aren't compatible Sysex-wise (AFAIK). > *Does the s50 support standard midi sample dump? No, only its own proprietary Sysex. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Thu Oct 26 16:37:42 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193684-27507>; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:37:34 -0400 Received: from elmls01.ce.mediaone.net ([24.131.128.25]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193680-27508>; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:37:29 -0400 Received: from [24.29.253.13] (el06-24-29-253-13.ce.mediaone.net [24.29.253.13]) by elmls01.ce.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAB14713 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:42:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200010262042.PAB14713@elmls01.ce.mediaone.net> Subject: sgroup OT: test Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:42:51 -0400 x-sender: aeon@pop.ce.mediaone.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: aeon To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk test ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I passed the Turing Test with a solid C+...nice to meet you! -- aeon - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 29 04:38:36 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-1014>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:38:30 -0500 Received: from bird2.de.uu.net ([193.101.111.28]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-1014>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:38:23 -0500 Received: from cityweb.de (pec-46-24.tnt6.me2.uunet.de [149.225.46.24]) by bird2.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA16868 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:38:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <39F97D42.4870F44@cityweb.de> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:04:03 -0400 From: Ingo Debus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,de,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Subject: Re: sgroup new s50 owner References: <200010241836.NAA27738@millenicom.millenicom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Ben Lincoln wrote: > > At 10:48 AM 10/24/00 -0400, shockwavejim@kerb.co.uk wrote: > > >4.patch editor > >*Is there a windows based patch editor? I found s550edit, a long shot, and > unsurprisingly I couldn't persuade the two to talk. > >*Does the s50 support standard midi sample dump? I tried to set things up > in Sound Forge but failed. > > Sound Diver supports editing, but I'm not sure how well. Are you sure about that? AFAIK SoundDiver doesn't support the S-50. It does support the S-330 and S-550 (these adaptations are by me - the S-330 was the very first adaptation I made, looong ago). But I think it wouldn't be too difficult to make a S-50 adaptation. SoundDiver is not a sample editor. You can only edit and store patch/tone parameters, not the sample itself. Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 29 17:16:29 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-1013>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:16:21 -0500 Received: from mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com [212.120.66.198]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-1013>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:16:15 -0500 Received: from [212.120.82.160] by mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20001029191807.DWKE5136.mail.rdc1.ov.nl.home.com@[212.120.82.160]> for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:18:07 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: swank.inc@mail Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:17:53 -0500 To: sgroup@lists.uunet.ca From: Maurits Jonkergouw Subject: RE: sgroup FW: SDISK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk > > Just wondering if anyone can help me with an SDISK question. I'm >getting the message > > "Diskette is too samll/large for file: " when trying to write a Roalnd >disk > iamge to the floppy drive on my PC. > > DOS DOS DOS, I'm believe you'll have to run SDISK from DOS mode... Goodluck. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From owner-sgroup Sun Oct 29 19:12:38 2000 Received: by hugin.uunet.ca id <193680-1013>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:12:30 -0500 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com ([156.151.32.103]) by hugin.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <193673-1014>; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:12:28 -0500 Received: from imp.portal.com (imp.portal.com [156.151.32.82]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10249 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sjspc (lg1extra1.dashmail.net [216.36.20.97]) by imp.portal.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23313 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:12:14 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Steve Schow" To: Subject: RE: sgroup Jaz Drives Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:11:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39F59FE8.BA500F8C@cityweb.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-sgroup@lists.uunet.ca Precedence: bulk Anyone know where I can find the S-550 and CD-5 manuals? -steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Ingo Debus [mailto:debus@cityweb.de] > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 7:43 AM > To: sgroup@hugin.uunet.ca > Subject: Re: sgroup Jaz Drives > > > > > Spray Cheese wrote: > > then again, i've met plenty of people who have had a single > zip drive for > > years without any problems. > > I have my S-760 and a 100MB ZIP drive mounted in a 2U wooden > rack case. > Accidentally the rack dropped once onto an asphalt street from ca. 1 > meter height - both sampler and ZIP still work ok. > > Ingo > > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca > and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lists.uunet.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lists.uunet.ca and see http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information.