From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 1 02:32:59 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA18027 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 02:32:57 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <211>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 02:19:21 -0500 Received: from toto.pn.com ([205.136.64.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <210>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 02:18:30 -0500 Received: from pioneer.ci.net (pioneer.ci.net [205.136.67.65]) by toto.pn.com (8.7.5) with ESMTP id VAA16556 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from vl.UUCP (Uvl@localhost) by pioneer.ci.net (8.8.2/8.8.0) with UUCP id CAA31027 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 02:17:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pioneer.ci.net: Uvl set sender to pioneer.ci.net!vl!vl.com!tmetro using -f Received: by vl.com (Mini-Host for Windows v1.51; WinUUCP) with UUCP; Tue, 01 Apr 1997 02:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1997Apr1.021802@vl.com> X-Mailer: *Cinetic Mail Manager V2.1 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 02:18:00 -0500 Reply-To: tmetro@vl.com From: tmetro@vl.com (Tom Metro) To: captain@clinet.fi Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (Roland Sampler users mailing list) Subject: Re: sgroup S/PDIF Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Markus Kaarlonen writes: > ...someone is probably going to tell you something like "Use a > special cable made for that purpose, or you will lose the high end > in your sound blah blah..".. that is absolute b*ll... > > A good quality audio-RCA-cable is just fine. You can probably get away with using an audio patch cord, but ideally it should be a video grade 75-ohm coax cable. That's because the digital S/PDIF signal is up in the 4 to 6 MHz range - just like video. Such a video cable certainly doesn't cost $300 (as mentioned in another post). You can pick one up at Radio Shack or the equivalent. A decent quality cable designed for VCR dubbing will do the trick. (Though cheap VCR cables are often only audio grade as well, and should be avoided.) A chunk of RG58 coax (cable TV wire) and a couple of crimp-on RCA connectors will do the trick too, but crimp-on RCA connectors aren't the easiest thing to find. You're more likely to find an RCA to F-connector adapter, which could be used with a standard F-to-F video cable. > In digital transfers, the sound either goes thru the cable, or it > doesn't. IF the cable somehow manages to produce errors in the > transfer, you _will_ hear them. Usually, yes. When the errors are bad enough the phased locked loop (PLL) on the receiver looses synchronization and you'll get lots of clicks. Unfortunately poor signal quality can also result in increased jitter in the PLL, which will show up more subtly in the audio (you may only catch it if you're measuring for it). Though not all receivers use PLLs (like the Analog Devices receiver, for example) and they many not have this problem. The PLL based Yamaha receiver chips that I've used do have this problem. > >One more thing, is there a PC card that has a digital audio > >I/O (S/PDIF)? Thanks. Turtle Beach has several cards with optional digital I/O. They run $300 - $400 with the option. Digital Audio Labs has a card specifically for digital I/O and it starts at around $200. -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic tmetro@vl.com Newton, MA, USA - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 2 15:45:33 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16454 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:45:30 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <212>; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:33:30 -0500 Received: from smtp2.erols.com ([205.252.116.102]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:32:38 -0500 Received: from [206.161.170.188] (man-as3s60.erols.com [206.161.170.188]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01693 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:29:54 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: mrsyms@pop.erols.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:57:01 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Tim Goodwin Subject: sgroup Roland S-760 Ghost In The Machine? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO This morning I turned on my S-760, loaded up some Kick Drums from a CD-ROM and when I switched from Disk mode to Performance mode I detected a strange pop click sound. Identical, to when you unplug a guitar with the amp on. Otherwise things seemed ok. When I tried to trigger the drums from my sequencer the S-760 started emitting a loud hiss ( like when the tv is on but the station went off the air) and some intermittent high pitched whiney type sounds. Needless to say I went nuts. Finally, I toggeled between analog and digital sampling mode and everything was fine. The S-760 was in analog mode and I toggeled to digital mode but chose not to switch when the dialog came up and then returned to analog mode. Now the strange pop click has gone and the kick patches are triggering as they should. FWIW, my CD players S/PDIF out was connected to the S-760 but the CD player itself was not turned on. Also, it was maybe an hour before I tried the toggle mentioned above. I didn't want to take up bandwidth describing everything I tried before that. Has anybody else had a similar experience with the S-760? If so, did you ever figure out what caused it in the first place? Thanks Tim - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 3 12:17:58 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14445 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:17:58 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05750 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <210>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:03:13 -0500 Received: from jupiter.centrin.net.id ([202.146.255.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:01:59 -0500 Received: from [202.146.255.186] by jupiter.centrin.net.id; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Jul96-0523PM) id AA13403; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:01:38 +0700 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:01:38 -0500 Message-Id: <9704031701.AA13403@jupiter.centrin.net.id> X-Sender: ajuwono@centrin.net.id X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Albert Juwono Subject: Re: sgroup Tips + Another digital thing! Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R >>1. I have a Roland S-760 brochure that stated the op760 will add coaxial >>digital input (AES/EBU CP-340 type II). Some magazine I've read stated that >>the OP760 will add an S/PDIF interface. So my guess is AES/EBU input and >>S/PDIF output, am I right? > >Nope...spdif in and out. >The OP-760 has one (stereo) S/PDIF input and two (stereo) S/PDIF outputs, on RCA jacks (as opposed to optical). I've re-read the brochure and my Roland MI catalog. It's clearly said that the digital in is AES/EBU. The AES/EBU as we all know usually come with an XLR type of connectors. Hmmm, some mistake eh, or maybe typo...??!! Anyway thanks to everyone for filling me with digital knowledge! Okay, if anyone interested, I'd like to share some of my little secret to make drumloops sound more interesting. If I have a 4/4 drumloop. I usually break them apart into pieces, like the Recycle! software do. For example I divide the loop into four samples, the first beat, second, third and the fourth beat. The first beat usually contain kick part of the drumloop, the second contains snare and so on. Then I use the bit convert, set it to 8bit, and other parameter like skip address to your liking, and convert the first beat sample and the third beat sample. To make the sample more gritty, you can downsample the second and fourth sample to 22.05khz, and then use the Emphasis+ at the digital filter menu. Then, set up your sequencer to trigger those four samples one after another (in my case, of course at first, second, third, and then fourth beat). Good luck, I know my last client is very happy with the result. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 3 13:14:21 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15701 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:14:21 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14026 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <210>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:04:39 -0500 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com ([198.81.11.25]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:03:47 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA09151; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:03:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:03:36 -0500 From: Windsound@aol.com Message-ID: <970403130313_1021135393@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: ajuwono@mindless.com, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup Tips + Another digital thing! Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R You can also use the bit convert on a specific region of a sample. I like to make a copy of the drum loop sample (so I don't ruin the original sample), then I use the bit convert on the last 2 beats (or whatever area I wish to affect). The bit convert window still lets you choose a region with the wave graph - very handy. This way, you can trigger the clean sample or the bit converted sample, each on the downbeat. In a message dated 4/3/97 11:39:22 AM, you wrote: >Okay, if anyone interested, I'd like to share some of my little secret to >make drumloops sound more interesting. > >If I have a 4/4 drumloop. I usually break them apart into pieces, like the >Recycle! software do. For example I divide the loop into four samples, the >first beat, second, third and the fourth beat. The first beat usually >contain kick part of the drumloop, the second contains snare and so on. > >Then I use the bit convert, set it to 8bit, and other parameter like skip >address to your liking, and convert the first beat sample and the third beat >sample. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 1 17:17:43 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13391 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:17:42 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10028 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <210>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:01:13 -0500 Received: from relay01.equinox.net ([204.89.131.5]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:00:13 -0500 Received: from [206.80.182.123] (ACCS-AS21-DP10.NWRK.grid.net [206.80.182.123]) by relay01.equinox.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA18770 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:06:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:06:09 -0500 X-Sender: ugmold@popmail.macconnect.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Forrest Trenholm Subject: sgroup S550 system Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi folks.. I remember asking this long ago...but is the latest v of S550 utility 1.13 ? I was not sure the answer to this so I visited the site and tried to find it.. I downloaded something called S550_Util_1.15.Z and could not effectively un zip it...I am Mac PPC 7200..32mgs... I tried to convert it with Stuffit converter...option click etc. So ah .... Oh by the way got the update from Stefano V2.5 of Dsound It is cool...Now can open/save to Roland Disks....Stefano is the man. Suggest you check it out. (for Mac) confusion is fun http://www.macconnect.com/~Ugmold/ugmold.html - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 1 19:45:35 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA16626 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:45:34 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <211>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:32:55 -0500 Received: from smtp3.erols.com ([205.252.116.103]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:32:03 -0500 Received: from [207.172.39.182] (man-as9s27.erols.com [207.172.39.27]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20421 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:23:13 -0500 X-Sender: mrsyms@pop.erols.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:24:45 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Tim Goodwin Subject: Re: sgroup Another digital thing! Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO >One more thing, is there a PC card that has a digital audio I/O (S/PDIF)? >Thanks. Lucid Technology will be releasing their PCI24 card sometime in April. It has both AES/EBU and S/PDIF I/O with 24-bit resolution. According to the May `97 issue of Keyboard magazine, it will be both Mac and windows compatible and retail for $499.=BA=BA. Tim - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 3 18:34:41 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA23552 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:34:40 -0500 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <162>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:23:56 -0500 Received: from netgate.co.nz ([202.37.78.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:23:03 -0500 Received: from [202.37.78.61] (user61.netgate.co.nz [202.37.78.61]) by netgate.co.nz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA29373 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:22:49 +1200 X-Sender: craigus@mail.netgate.co.nz Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:24:14 -0500 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Craig Harris Subject: sgroup svstuff and .smp samples Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi - I downloaded some .smp samples from the Landmark Sample Archive http://www.ebom.com.au/marr/ (there's heaps there) in hopes of getting some good drum samples. I'm using a mac and had been searching for ages for any utility to convert them to sound designer or some type of standard file type. I then saw this in the ftp archives: So, I tried this out on my work's ibm with some .smp files. With DIGICNVT.COM and DIGICVAT.COM it replies with 'Divide overflow' when I try to convert a .smp file [DIGICNVT.COM SQUEAK.COM] So, I tried the other small utilities which seem to get further. When running it displays 'Converting SampleVision file to IRCAM file...' Then there's heaps of hard disk activity then stops, leaving a flashing cursor on the following line. It responds to nothing after this forcing a reboot. When I rebooted, I found out that all 71megs of free hard disk space had been lost as lost chains. So, using CHKDSK/F converted that to a .chk file in the root directory (71megs!). The files I was trying to convert were only between 4k and 30k. It looks as if these utilities use up all hard disk space!!! I tried the 8, 12 and 16 bit converters with the same result!!! Has anyone had any success converting these to any standard formats? I heard a while back before using these utilities, someone replied on this group with >Cool Edit for PC will do this. It supports a whole range of formats, >and is an excellent editor as well. It's shareware, so any net >search will find it. I'd rather use a small utility, but I'll download it and try it out if there is no other option. Any help appreciated Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Harris | craigus@netgate.co.nz or visit my web site RAMM Consultant | http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/9297 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Motto: ** Mercy is free. Sin has a cost. Shop smart! ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 3 20:13:02 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25020 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:13:01 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01806 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <210>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:02:56 -0500 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:01:13 -0500 Received: from jupiter.centrin.net.id ([202.146.255.3]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20205 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [202.146.255.187] by jupiter.centrin.net.id; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Jul96-0523PM) id AA26823; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:20:24 +0700 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:20:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9704040020.AA26823@jupiter.centrin.net.id> X-Sender: ajuwono@centrin.net.id X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Albert Juwono Subject: sgroup Tips of the day Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Yeah, that's very cool tips. How about starting a Tips of The day series. This way we can gain much information an knowledge about our sampler. I think S-760 is a bit complex in terms of user interface, I don't know about other Roland Samplers. Maybe with Tips Of The Day from member of this list would likely improve our ways of working and maybe found a new trick on how to manipulate those sounds. Comment? (I have this idea from the Wavestation mailing list. Many tips from the list are very useful) Tips of The Day: Like the previous tip from Todd, you can work similar way with the time stretching feature. You can time convert spesific region on a sample. Usually I time stretched a snare/kick drum sample after the attack part. Now that the decay part is much longer and grittier, I compress the sample (to bring out the decay), and then truncate it with very large 'Fade' number, usually above 200 (to make a gated like sound). If you have an efx box, add a little room reverb. I do that with Bob Clearmountin's Drum 2 CDRom, so the samples weren't so boring. Using the manual time stretch is a bit tricky though, I prefer to use the auto mode. Regards, Albert At 13:03 03/04/97 -0500, you wrote: >You can also use the bit convert on a specific region of a sample. I like to >make a copy of the drum loop sample (so I don't ruin the original sample), >then I use the bit convert on the last 2 beats (or whatever area I wish to >affect). The bit convert window still lets you choose a region with the wave >graph - very handy. This way, you can trigger the clean sample or the bit >converted sample, each on the downbeat. > > >In a message dated 4/3/97 11:39:22 AM, you wrote: > >>Okay, if anyone interested, I'd like to share some of my little secret to >>make drumloops sound more interesting. >> >>If I have a 4/4 drumloop. I usually break them apart into pieces, like the >>Recycle! software do. For example I divide the loop into four samples, the >>first beat, second, third and the fourth beat. The first beat usually >>contain kick part of the drumloop, the second contains snare and so on. >> >>Then I use the bit convert, set it to 8bit, and other parameter like skip >>address to your liking, and convert the first beat sample and the third beat >>sample. > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 3 20:29:23 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25263 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:29:23 -0500 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25689 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <211>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:15:16 -0500 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <156>; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:12:44 -0500 Received: from jupiter.centrin.net.id ([202.146.255.3]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20234 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [202.146.255.187] by jupiter.centrin.net.id; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Jul96-0523PM) id AA28184; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:20:32 +0700 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:20:32 -0500 Message-Id: <9704040020.AA28184@jupiter.centrin.net.id> X-Sender: ajuwono@centrin.net.id X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Albert Juwono Subject: sgroup Tips of the day Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Yeah, that's very cool tips. How about starting a Tips of The day series. This way we can gain much information an knowledge about our sampler. I think S-760 is a bit complex in terms of user interface, I don't know about other Roland Samplers. Maybe with Tips Of The Day from member of this list would likely improve our ways of working and maybe found a new trick on how to manipulate those sounds. Comment? (I have this idea from the Wavestation mailing list. Many tips from the list are very useful) Tips of The Day: Like the previous tip from Todd, you can work similar way with the time stretching feature. You can time convert spesific region on a sample. Usually I time stretched a snare/kick drum sample after the attack part. Now that the decay part is much longer and grittier, I compress the sample (to bring out the decay), and then truncate it with very large 'Fade' number, usually above 200 (to make a gated like sound). If you have an efx box, add a little room reverb. I do that with Bob Clearmountin's Drum 2 CDRom, so the samples weren't so boring. Using the manual time stretch is a bit tricky though, I prefer to use the auto mode. Regards, Albert At 13:03 03/04/97 -0500, you wrote: >You can also use the bit convert on a specific region of a sample. I like to >make a copy of the drum loop sample (so I don't ruin the original sample), >then I use the bit convert on the last 2 beats (or whatever area I wish to >affect). The bit convert window still lets you choose a region with the wave >graph - very handy. This way, you can trigger the clean sample or the bit >converted sample, each on the downbeat. > > >In a message dated 4/3/97 11:39:22 AM, you wrote: > >>Okay, if anyone interested, I'd like to share some of my little secret to >>make drumloops sound more interesting. >> >>If I have a 4/4 drumloop. I usually break them apart into pieces, like the >>Recycle! software do. For example I divide the loop into four samples, the >>first beat, second, third and the fourth beat. The first beat usually >>contain kick part of the drumloop, the second contains snare and so on. >> >>Then I use the bit convert, set it to 8bit, and other parameter like skip >>address to your liking, and convert the first beat sample and the third beat >>sample. > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 7 09:43:10 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25085 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:43:09 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26571 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <192>; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:31:06 -0400 Received: from aphex.direct.ca ([199.60.229.6]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:53:25 -0400 Received: from agarner.direct.ca (van-as-03b16.direct.ca [204.174.248.128]) by aphex.direct.ca (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id SAA13725 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 18:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:53:17 -0400 From: nocturnal@cyberjunkie.com Message-Id: <199704070153.SAA13725@aphex.direct.ca> X-Sender: agarner@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup MIDI,WIN95,SB16,and an S-550 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Has Anyone out there figured out how to sequence an S-550 under Win95 using an SB16? Help!!!! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 9 00:07:32 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19345 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:07:31 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24568 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 00:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <191>; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:51:14 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk ([144.82.100.25]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <162>; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:50:24 -0400 Received: from [128.40.57.159] (actually host mac22.anat.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 9 Apr 1997 04:40:17 +0100 X-Sender: ucgaand@pop-server.bcc.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Andreas Bork Subject: sgroup W30 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:50:16 -0400 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi, I have got a W30 for about 6 years now and I have written quite a few songs for it (ca.300). Does anybody know, wether there is a possibility to convert W30 MIDI files into .mid files??? in order to back them up! Andreas - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 9 04:40:54 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA28195 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 04:40:53 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <192>; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 04:29:40 -0400 Received: from mailimailo.univ-rennes1.fr ([129.20.128.39]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <162>; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 04:28:49 -0400 Received: from sim3.univ-rennes1.fr (sim3.univ-rennes1.fr [192.93.247.19]) by mailimailo.univ-rennes1.fr (8.6.10/kit5.1-0905) with ESMTP id KAA09767 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:28:19 +0200 Received: from (jannin@localhost) by sim3.univ-rennes1.fr (8.6.12/kit5.1-2501) id KAA13246 for sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:25:58 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 04:25:58 -0400 From: jannin@sim3.univ-rennes1.fr (Pierre Jannin) Message-Id: <199704090825.KAA13246@sim3.univ-rennes1.fr> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup suscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 58a/9TsyMGbKtKmXQB/McA== Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R suscribe - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 9 09:48:57 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03930 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:48:56 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <193>; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:39:09 -0400 Received: from tisden.com ([206.168.128.124]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <162>; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:38:18 -0400 Received: by tisden.com; id HAA01514; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mac.tisden.com(10.0.1.15) by gauntlet.tisden.com via smap (3.2) id xma001512; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:42:27 -0600 Message-ID: <334B9CB0.566@dash.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:42:07 -0400 From: Keith Lewis X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Bork CC: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup W30 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Andreas Bork wrote: > > Hi, > I have got a W30 for about 6 years now and I have written quite a few songs > for it (ca.300). > Does anybody know, wether there is a possibility to convert W30 MIDI files > into .mid files??? in order to back them up! > Andreas > > - > Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca > For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca I have done this by playing the sequences on the W-30 and capturing them in a sequencer on my computer. It's easy and requires just one MIDI cable. The only thing to setup is the clock. Have either the computer or the W-30 be the master clock so the bars line up. (If the computer is the master clock you need 2 MIDI cables). Other than that I don't know of a way. Keith - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 10 07:57:17 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA01779 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:57:16 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <192>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:45:37 -0400 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:44:44 -0400 Received: from fuensanta.distrito.com ([194.75.196.2]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA22973 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ANDRES (ppp158.distrito.com [194.75.196.158]) by fuensanta.distrito.com (8.7.3 Version 1.1 Build 562/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAB00140 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:43:10 +0200 (Románico Horario de verano) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:43:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199704101143.NAB00140@fuensanta.distrito.com> X-Sender: drexx@distrito.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Andres Guevara Subject: sgroup Una vuelta al Mundo: 24 horas "en la red" Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi! The Art & culture association Mestizo, within its scheduled activities for 1997, celebrates the event "Una vuelta al mundo, 24 horas en la red" (Round the World, 24 hours on the net", from next friday 18 at 12:00 (GMT+2) to saturday 19 at 12:00 (GMT+2). Thus, we try to take a glimpse at the complexity and richness of this medium. In this period of time, the same as a complete Earth spin, we are going to make a sort of live actions via Internet. We humildly invite every person interested in art and its use as a tool for personal growth, knowledge and comunication. We ask for mutual knowledge and support to any proposal for promotion and difussion of art and culture mixture. Among other scheduled activities, we announce the I Exposicion Virtual "en la red" 97 (1st. Virtual Art Expo). Any artist can send his or her works in any discipline and any format that we can publish on the web (painting, drawing, photograhy, music, poetry and any other...), which will be published at our website (http://www.distrito.com/mestizo) as long as we celebrate our "24 hours". We pray for the support from both users and administrators all over the Internet, taking part on our activities and publishing a link in your pages to ours, taking as "hot picture": http://www.distrito.com/mestizo/enlared/banner.gif linking to: http://www.distrito.com/mestizo/ Thank you for your interest and support. We hope to see you "on the net" next 18-19 //------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Saluendo // Drexx // drexx@distrito.com // Peace, Love & Empathy - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 10 22:09:53 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA23738 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:09:52 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <192>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:56:05 -0400 Received: from atom.om.com.au ([203.15.66.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:55:16 -0400 Received: from lennox39.om.com.au by atom.om.com.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14094; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:40:56 +1000 Received: by lennox39.om.com.au with Microsoft Mail id <01BC466F.796F9040@lennox39.om.com.au>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:57:05 +1000 Message-Id: <01BC466F.796F9040@lennox39.om.com.au> From: Pocket To: "'sgroup@lotus.UWaterloo.ca'" Subject: sgroup W30 scsi chip Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:56:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi, Does anyone out there know the chip brand & number for the W30 scsi upgrade. Thanks tone@om.com.au - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sun Apr 13 15:45:40 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25540 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:45:38 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:32:42 -0400 Received: from mail1.sn.no ([194.143.8.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:31:52 -0400 Received: from hasle.sn.no (hasle.sn.no [194.143.8.25]) by mail1.sn.no (8.7.5/8.7.3/on4) with SMTP id ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:31:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [194.248.16.105] (lillehammer1-8.ppp.sn.no [194.248.16.105]) by hasle.sn.no (8.6.13/on1) with ESMTP id ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:31:40 +0200 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <97Mar11.100747est.126@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:31:18 -0400 To: "Bradley De Haan" From: Stein Tore Sonsteli Subject: Re: sgroup External hd for W30 Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Sorry if you already got this message, but my mailprogram displays it as unsent, so here you are... >I want to add a hard drive to my W30 and I need a bit of info. I have the >SCSI >manual and it specifies a certain type and size of Mac hard drive. Can it be >connected to any old SCSI drive or does it have to be the ones specified? >SCSI is a standard right? So I'm assuming I can hook it up to any >external SCSI >drive and not just the Mac's. However, I also know there are three >flavours of >the SCSI specification. > >I would love some advice on these issues. What has worked for other people? >Where are some places where I can find these drives? How much did you pay? > > Thanks again > > Brad > > I use an old Quantum 270 Mb with my S-550. Works fine. Stein Tore Stein Tore Sonsteli Post Pro Studio - Lillehammer, Norway e-mail: ssonstel@sn.no - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sun Apr 13 17:23:11 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA27123 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:23:10 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:09:36 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper2.telekom.de ([194.25.15.8]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:08:47 -0400 Received: from mailgate1.telekom.de by gatekeeper2.telekom.de; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/02Aug95-0132PM) id AA00518; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:08:17 +0200 Received: from Q9E20.dmst01.telekom.de by mailgate1.telekom.de; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/02Aug95-1122AM) id AA06392; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:08:10 +0200 Message-Id: <9704132108.AA06392@mailgate1.telekom.de> Received: from son.ez-darmstadt.telekom.de by ts1.ez-darmstadt.telekom.de with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA163035690; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:08:10 +0200 Received: by son.ez-darmstadt.telekom.de (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067405690; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:08:10 +0200 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:08:10 -0400 From: Stefan Pfeifer To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Re: Stereo Samples? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=X-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R > How do you treat stereo sample when multitracking? Mostly I work on > commercial studio with analog 24 track machine (my home studio is based on a > Tascam Porta7 system). I usually record drum samples into track 1-7 (or > depend). Usually I sent the snare to S760's out 1 and kick to out 3 and so > on (prevent signal bleeding). When sending a stereo snare to one of the > analog out, are both samples (snare left and right) get summed, or is it > just one of the sample (left, maybe?). Are there better ways to record > stereo drum sample to only one track in multitrack machine? Any suggestion > are highly appreciated! Hi Albert ! In those cases, I always ask myself: 'What makes the sample be stereo ?' There are some nice drum samples e.g. on sampling CDs which already are recorded with ambience or any effect, but I prefer using mono drum samples and add EFX separately at mixdown-time. I experienced that drum sounds with really nice reverb on it -if you listen to them solo- can sound quite displaced in the mix. You have by far more control over the sound if you have sufficient EFX machines to be able to add specific ambience during the mix-down. Especially for a snare drum, the type of reverb on top of it sometimes has more influence on its sound than the drum itself ! ...But that's only the way I use to handle it... Stefan. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sat Apr 12 08:45:39 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03869 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:45:38 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <192>; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:16:49 -0400 Received: from jupiter.centrin.net.id ([202.146.255.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <191>; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:15:54 -0400 Received: from [202.146.255.142] by jupiter.centrin.net.id; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Jul96-0523PM) id AA32400; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 19:15:37 +0700 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:15:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9704121215.AA32400@jupiter.centrin.net.id> X-Sender: ajuwono@centrin.net.id (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Albert Juwono Subject: sgroup Stereo samples? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi y'all, I have S-760. Here's a question. How do you treat stereo sample when multitracking? Mostly I work on commercial studio with analog 24 track machine (my home studio is based on a Tascam Porta7 system). I usually record drum samples into track 1-7 (or depend). Usually I sent the snare to S760's out 1 and kick to out 3 and so on (prevent signal bleeding). When sending a stereo snare to one of the analog out, are both samples (snare left and right) get summed, or is it just one of the sample (left, maybe?). Are there better ways to record stereo drum sample to only one track in multitrack machine? Any suggestion are highly appreciated! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sun Apr 13 20:49:35 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00250 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:49:34 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18665 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:38:06 -0400 Received: from shell.wco.com ([199.4.94.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:15:12 -0400 Received: (from ai@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA23414; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 13:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:14:53 -0400 From: ai Message-Id: <199704132014.NAA23414@shell.wco.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup HELP: S760: Copying from streaming tape (DAT) to disk ===== Cc: ai@shell.wco.com Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello, I have a streaming tape drive (DAT) and a hard disk connected to my S760 sampler (running v2.24). QUESTION: 1. If I have a tape that contains 300MB of S760 perfs/patches etc that I have backed up, and I do a S760 Copy command from the tape drive to a 650MB hard disk, after the Copy is complete will the hard disk still have 350MB of space free *and* accessable/usable? or does the Copy command leave the 650MB disk filled with 300MB from the tape but showing up as 'disk full' ? 2. If afterdoing a Copy from the 300MB tape drive to the 650MB disk - the disk now has 350MB free, is there a way to Copy a second 300MB tape to the disk w/o trashing the first 300MB tranferto the disk? If so - how? Thanks for any help on this to: ai@wco.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 15 03:26:17 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA08045 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:26:16 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA28820 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:16:03 -0400 Received: from cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:15:14 -0400 Received: from 195.71.24.14 by cww.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09784; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:14:09 +0200 Message-ID: <33532AF3.525C@cww.de> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:14:59 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup SMAC and S-760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello, is there any way to create S-760 sampler disks from the 700 series disk image files with a Mac? I tried the SMAC program, but it seems that it does not support the HD disks used with a S-760. Only about the half of the samples are written onto the disk. Is there any newer version than 0.01d? I use a power Mac 4400 with system 7.5.3 and a S-760 with OS version 2.2.3. Regards, Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 15 03:54:57 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA08464 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:54:56 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:45:18 -0400 Received: from cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:44:26 -0400 Received: from 195.71.24.14 by cww.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA11527; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:43:10 +0200 Message-ID: <3353319C.5270@cww.de> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:43:24 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s50/550 for jungle? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi Craig, >I'm aware of the limited filtering capabilities - do neither have >real-time filtering or would I have to create filtered samples as >well? The S-550/S-330 has a real time filter which is IMHO pretty good. Once I compared it to a true analog filter and could not hear any difference. The filter can be controlled in real time by aftertouch. The filter envelope can have up to eight stages - more than the one in the S-760. >Do you find the RAM capabilities enough to produce good quality >breaks, etc? The S-330 has 14.4s maximum sample time (at 30kHz sample rate) and the S-550 has twice as much. The longest possible time for a single sample is 7.2s. It's not very much compared to today's samplers. >Otherwise I might try to save up for an Akai s2000 IMHO the Akai is comparable with the S-760, not with the S-50/S-550 etc. Regards, Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 15 04:13:39 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA13017 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:13:37 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:00:36 -0400 Received: from cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:58:32 -0400 Received: from 195.71.24.14 by cww.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12504; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:57:21 +0200 Message-ID: <335334EF.21A7@cww.de> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:57:35 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup breaking up samples, was:Re: sgroup piano samples... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi, >I mean, can it break up a sample into parts, put the separate parts >in separate banks and play? The S-550 uses "tones" to organize its sample parameters. Several tones can use the same sample data (called wave). The tone parameters include the sample start, loop and end point, so it's possible to access different regions of one sample using different tones. Regards, Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 14 19:35:15 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00343 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:35:13 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:21:29 -0400 Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net ([204.250.46.50]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:20:22 -0400 Received: from Default (pool010.maxb.los-angeles.ca.us.dynip.earthlink.net [206.250.113.60]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA19249 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:19:37 -0400 From: mysymphony@earthlink.net Message-Id: <199704142319.QAA19249@sweden.it.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mysymphony@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup piano samples... Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Does anyone out there have some advice about the best piano samples available for the Roland 760? Who makes them? How expensive? Any used piano sample CDroms out there? I know about the Yamaha and Steinway from the Rhythm disc... thanks in advance, mark <<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>> <>DesertWavesmusic<>http://home.earthlink.net/~mysymphony/mark.htm <> <<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>>-<<<>><<>>> - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 14 21:34:44 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02427 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:34:42 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:23:02 -0400 Received: from frank.mtsu.edu ([161.45.128.109]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:22:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by frank.mtsu.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010927317; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:21:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:21:57 -0400 From: Blondie To: mysymphony@earthlink.net Cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup piano samples... In-Reply-To: <199704142319.QAA19249@sweden.it.earthlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R This has nothing to do with a reply but I was wondering to all S-550 owners: Is the S-550 similar to the S-50 in the department of sampling? I mean, can it break up a sample into parts, put the separate parts in separate banks and play? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 14 22:12:11 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03130 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:12:10 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:01:29 -0400 Received: from netgate.co.nz ([202.37.78.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:00:55 -0400 Received: from [202.37.78.61] (user61.netgate.co.nz [202.37.78.61]) by netgate.co.nz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA18834 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:00:29 +1200 X-Sender: craigus@mail.netgate.co.nz Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:02:50 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Craig Harris Subject: sgroup s50/550 for jungle? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi - Are there any of you finding the s50/550 sufficient for jungle? I'm aware of the limited filtering capabilities - do neither have real-time filtering or would I have to create filtered samples as well? Do you find the RAM capabilities enough to produce good quality breaks, etc? Otherwise I might try to save up for an Akai s2000 Any feedback appreciated ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Harris | craigus@netgate.co.nz or visit my web site RAMM Consultant | http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/9297 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Motto: ** Mercy is free. Sin has a cost. Shop smart! ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 15 10:02:08 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA22830 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:02:06 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:50:49 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.15]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:01:06 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA01421 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:00:54 -0500 (CDT) From: brenden1@ix.netcom.com Received: from roc-ny1-22.ix.netcom.com(199.183.209.54) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001305; Mon Apr 14 22:00:22 1997 Message-ID: <3352F023.3010@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:04:04 -0400 Reply-To: brenden1@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup S-50 disk? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi, I hope someone can help me out. I have a W-30 workstation. I want use D-Sound Pro to edit samples on my Mac and load them into the W-30. The problem is that the program does not support my sampler. It does however support the S series samplers. So if I can get a formatted S-series disk I can save samples onto that and load them into the W-30 (it accepts S-series formats thank God! ). So can anyone Please e-mail, or mail me a formatted S-50, S-550, S-330 or whatever disk image? It would make my life so much easier. Thanks in advanccce for your time and cooperation, B R E N D E N - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 16 03:18:03 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA12960 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:18:02 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:03:58 -0400 Received: from mail1.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.81]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:01:55 -0400 Received: from palm.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.11]) by mail1.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10026; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by palm.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09254; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Comments: LAA09254 on palm (hop 0), Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:00:28 -0400 From: grilledcheese X-Sender: hotrod@palm To: Craig Harris cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s50/550 for jungle? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R i use a s-330 for jungle. it works VERY well. i kindof like the 12 bit samples. the 550 has twice the RAM of the 330 too, so i would think it would be great. > I'm aware of the limited filtering capabilities - do neither have real-time > filtering or would I have to create filtered samples as well? well, i don't use filters on breaks too much, but when i do it works pretty good. you can make multiple subtones from a single sample (saves ram) and use the envelope editing and lfo's to put different filter sweeps on each. each subtone has its own lfo and envelope. > Do you find the RAM capabilities enough to produce good quality breaks, etc? i did some great drum & bass by chopping up a break and reassembling it in my sequencer where the original break only took up 1.4 seconds of memory. i kid you not. recycle is a waste of money. its not hard to do it manually. > Otherwise I might try to save up for an Akai s2000 save your money! im very happy with my setup. the 330 is for rapid triggering (programming breaks) and filtering, and i use a sampling sound card for the more RAM dependant stuff. turtle beach makes some good cards with a thing called sample store, the one i have has 12 megs of RAM on the card for samples... and its 16 bit,.. and it was $180 new! 12 megs is alot of RAM,.. well for me anyway. ...now if i could only get all the bells and whistles to work. mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 16 03:37:51 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA13299 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:37:49 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:19:58 -0400 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <126>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:17:20 -0400 Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id MAA05480; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:23:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:22:55 -0400 From: Stefano Daino Subject: sgroup S-50 disk? To: "INTERNET:brenden1@ix.netcom.com" Cc: Roland User List Message-ID: <199704151222_MC2-1456-39F8@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi Brenden, you wrote: >>> I want use D-Sound Pro to edit samples on my Mac and load them into the W-30. <<< I'm going to check D-SoundPRO working on a W30 disk. If possible (I think yes), the next version of it will support the load/save function to W30 sound disks. I'll send a message on this list as soon as this feature will be available. Thanks for your interest to my program D-SoundPRO Stefano Daino The author of D-SoundPRO sdaino@compuserve.com P.S.: to everybody: if you want to register your copy of D-SoundPRO 2.5b2, DON'T use the kagi's address from the User Manual, because it is wrong. Please use the Kagi's address from the 'how to register' document or from the 'register' application itself (printing the form) you find in the archive. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 16 03:52:58 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13493 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:52:57 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA10197 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:37:44 -0400 Received: from mail1.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.81]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:17:16 -0400 Received: from palm.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.11]) by mail1.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23654; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by palm.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12538; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Comments: LAA12538 on palm (hop 0), Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:04:40 -0400 From: grilledcheese X-Sender: hotrod@palm To: Ingo Debus cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s50/550 for jungle? In-Reply-To: <3353319C.5270@cww.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R > The S-550/S-330 has a real time filter which is IMHO pretty good. > Once I compared it to a true analog filter and could not hear any > difference. The filter can be controlled in real time by aftertouch. i know this, but how do i controll the filter, by after touch messages, with a controller other than the actuall after touch of a key? i guess its a MIDI question, i want to assign aftertouch to a slider or knob somehow. what kind of equiptment do i need for that? mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 16 10:01:38 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24793 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:01:37 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:51:10 -0400 Received: from cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:50:10 -0400 Received: from 195.71.24.122 by cww.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA06961; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:49:48 +0200 Message-ID: <3354D8CB.2778@cww.de> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:48:59 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s50/550 for jungle? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi Mike, Bruno and Joe, to make the S-330 filter aftertouch-sensitive, you have to do the following: - set the A.T Assign parameter in the Patch PRM menu to Cut-off (this setting is not mentioned in the S-330 manual I have). - set the A.T Sense parameter in the same menu to some reasonable value. - set the TVF parameter in the Tone PRM menu to On. - set the parameters in the TVF menu (Cut-off, Resonance etc.) to reasonable values. I do not own a S-550, but I think it's the same there. > but how do i controll the filter, by after touch messages, >with a controller other than the actuall after touch of a key? i >guess its >a MIDI question, i want to assign aftertouch to a slider or knob >somehow. >what kind of equiptment do i need for that? Some master keyboards (e.g. the one I use, a Doepfer LMK3) allow mapping other controllers to aftertouch messages. Perhaps there are some "MIDI-mappers" without keyboard available, too. Most sequencer programs also have a controller mapping feature. Regards, Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 16 10:17:16 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25158 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:17:15 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:03:37 -0400 Received: from cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:01:05 -0400 Received: from 195.71.24.122 by cww.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA07089; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:51:00 +0200 Message-ID: <3354D93A.6060@cww.de> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:50:50 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Re: S-550 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi Blondie, >For instance, if I had a drum loop sampled into bank#1, >could I break that sample up and >put the kick in bank #2, snare in #3 and the cymbol in bank#4? Sorry, I got you wrong. Yes: Make copies of your sample (Copy*Move menu), then use the Truncate function in the Utility mode. Regards, Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 16 10:27:33 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24794 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:01:37 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA30924 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:51:10 -0400 Received: from cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:50:10 -0400 Received: from 195.71.24.122 by cww.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA06961; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:49:48 +0200 Message-ID: <3354D8CB.2778@cww.de> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:48:59 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup s50/550 for jungle? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi Mike, Bruno and Joe, to make the S-330 filter aftertouch-sensitive, you have to do the following: - set the A.T Assign parameter in the Patch PRM menu to Cut-off (this setting is not mentioned in the S-330 manual I have). - set the A.T Sense parameter in the same menu to some reasonable value. - set the TVF parameter in the Tone PRM menu to On. - set the parameters in the TVF menu (Cut-off, Resonance etc.) to reasonable values. I do not own a S-550, but I think it's the same there. > but how do i controll the filter, by after touch messages, >with a controller other than the actuall after touch of a key? i >guess its >a MIDI question, i want to assign aftertouch to a slider or knob >somehow. >what kind of equiptment do i need for that? Some master keyboards (e.g. the one I use, a Doepfer LMK3) allow mapping other controllers to aftertouch messages. Perhaps there are some "MIDI-mappers" without keyboard available, too. Most sequencer programs also have a controller mapping feature. Regards, Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 16 10:17:16 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25158 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:17:15 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:03:37 -0400 Received: from cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:01:05 -0400 Received: from 195.71.24.122 by cww.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA07089; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:51:00 +0200 Message-ID: <3354D93A.6060@cww.de> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:50:50 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Re: S-550 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi Blondie, >For instance, if I had a drum loop sampled into bank#1, >could I break that sample up and >put the kick in bank #2, snare in #3 and the cymbol in bank#4? Sorry, I got you wrong. Yes: Make copies of your sample (Copy*Move menu), then use the Truncate function in the Utility mode. Regards, Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 17 03:14:42 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA13475 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:14:41 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <67>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:03:59 -0400 Received: from cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <135>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:01:24 -0400 Received: from 195.71.24.122 by cww.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA07179; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:52:22 +0200 Message-ID: <3354D98C.1533@cww.de> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:52:12 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup breaking up samples, was:Re: sgroup piano samples... References: <199704152208.BAA23944@nvsgi1.netvision.net.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi, >is this posible on the s760 ? No, on the S-760 the start and end points are sample parameters. There cannot be more than one set of sample parameters associated to one sample. But on the S-760 segment size is about 0.1s (depending on sampling frequency) vs. 0.4s on the S-330/550, so it in not such a waste of memory with very short samples. Anyway, it is easy to do some pseudo stereo effects on the S-330/S-550 with one sample with different start points for the two stereo channels. On the S-760, always two samples are needed for this, even if the sample data itself are same. Regards, Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Thu Apr 17 03:44:11 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA14456 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:44:10 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:32:54 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.13]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <137>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:20:46 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA28413 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:27:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sfo-ca9-19.ix.netcom.com(204.30.64.115) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma028392; Wed Apr 16 11:27:42 1997 Message-ID: <3354FE9B.66DA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:30:19 -0400 From: LM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup s50/550 for jungle? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R grilledcheese wrote: > how do i controll the filter, by after touch messages, with a > controller other than the actuall after touch of a key? i guess > its a MIDI question, i want to assign aftertouch to a slider or > knob somehow. That depends on the capabilities of your MIDI controller. > what kind of equiptment do i need for that? I use the data entry slider on my PC-200 MKII. It allows me to assign almost any kind of MIDI data to be sent by the slider. |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 03:15:40 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA15484 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 03:15:39 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 03:03:58 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.13]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <138>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:20:51 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA00259; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:36:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sfo-ca9-19.ix.netcom.com(204.30.64.115) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000189; Wed Apr 16 11:35:55 1997 Message-ID: <33550088.4F61@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:38:32 -0400 From: LM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup , Stefano Daino Subject: Re: sgroup S-50 disk? References: <199704151222_MC2-1456-39F8@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Stefano Daino wrote: > Thanks for your interest to my program D-SoundPRO > Stefano Daino > The author of D-SoundPRO > sdaino@compuserve.com What about making a PC version too? |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 03:34:24 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA15787 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 03:34:24 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 03:15:03 -0400 Received: from melati.singnet.com.sg ([165.21.1.15]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:21:35 -0400 Received: from addie.singnet.com.sg (ts900-5630.singnet.com.sg [165.21.161.114]) by melati.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA26342; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:36:54 +0800 (SST) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:36:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199704161736.BAA26342@melati.singnet.com.sg> X-Sender: bangg@singnet.com.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: debus@cww.de, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: bangg@singnet.com.sg (Benjamin Ang) Subject: Re: sgroup s50/550 for jungle? Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi friends I agree the filter is good - 8 stages! Maybe I'm biased, but i prefer the big monitor screen attached to S330/550 to view my drum loops so i can chop them up easily, compared to the tiny Akai LCD screen. Also, the S330/550 have awesome bass, which is v impt for jungle. At 03:43 AM 15/4/97 -0400, debus@cww.de wrote: >Hi Craig, .. >The S-550/S-330 has a real time filter which is IMHO pretty good. >Once I compared it to a true analog filter and could not hear any >difference. The filter can be controlled in real time by aftertouch. >The filter envelope can have up to eight stages - more than the one >in the S-760. ... > >>Otherwise I might try to save up for an Akai s2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- BENJAMIN ANG bangg@singnet.com.sg Rajah & Tann, Advocates & Solicitors [a Law Firm in Singapore] http://www.singnet.com.sg/~rajahtan Electronic Music Lab, Singapore http://www.eml.org.sg - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 11:58:39 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00734 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:58:38 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00082 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:46:23 -0400 Received: from uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <192>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 03:45:33 -0400 Received: from [10.0.2.15] (minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm) by uwimona.edu.jm (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14125; Thu, 17 Apr 97 23:22:44-050 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:21:35 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: sgroup the most trouble free removable drive for the s-760 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO HI, I have sort of sent this message in various forms in the past. I have a syquest 270mb that I run with my s-760 which has been to put it mildly a nightmare. I have had one for the last two years and have had to send it back every three months to syquest for a replacement drive as after three months it will come back with medium errors when trying to read files. Last October they even changed the case and sent a brand new unit, which has now started to give trouble. I have had a zip drive for over one year and NEVER have had any problems with it. I need to get a larger removable for it. Does anyone have any experiences with the following options 1) Syquest 230 MB Flyer, yeah why would I still stick with Syquest. Well, I may be able to convince them to switch the 270 for a 230 so this may be the easiest and cheapest solution. 2) MO 230 drive 3) MO 540 drive 4) MO 640 drive Has anyone had any experiences good or bad with the above mentioned drives. thanks so much in advance, for ANY help/suggestions opinions etc. thanks, richard sven richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 809-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 809-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 12:19:12 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01304 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:19:12 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07641 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:03:12 -0400 Received: from hil-img-2.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.132]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <135>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:58:29 -0400 Received: by hil-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id EAA14914; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 04:36:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 04:35:57 -0400 From: Stefano Daino Subject: Re: sgroup S-50 disk? (D-SoundPRO) To: LM Cc: Roland User List Message-ID: <199704180436_MC2-147E-F5B9@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO LM wrote, about my program D-SoundPRO: >>> What about making a PC version too? <<< It could be in the next future. D-SoundPRO software is based on a C++ 'framework' which is highly portable among different platform, except for the virtual synthesizer module, which is strongly dependent on the Apple Sound Manager. But I suppose I could find equivalent libraries for the Sound Blaster PRO compatible cards. I'm scared of howmany PCs models, sound cards and midi interfaces exist and for how long time they remains in the market. What I mean is that D-SoundPRO runs on one hundred of Mac models from the very old Mac II to the newest PowerMac 6500 except for one Performa model, and the same code runs one hundred time faster if you are using a PowerMac and not a 68k Mac. This is thanks to a really 'plug and play' Apple strategy. What about PC world? D-SoundPRO is distributed as shareware. This is an experiment. I believe in the shareware distribution, it can lower the cost of the professional software by a ten factor, and defeat the piracy. But at moment it is a VERY slow way of distribution. It can exist only thanks to people like John M. Selles who mantains lists and web servers around the world, but many magazines doesn't review shareware products. Fortunally many of them include shareware products in their CDs, but many times it is not enough. D-SoundPRO can exist because it is necessary to my work and it borns from my passion for the electronic music. But it is hard to justify the time (nights and weekends) I'm spending on it... Let me know your comments... Ciao Stefano P.S.: can someone send to me a W30 sound disk image file in DART or SMAC format (if it is feasible...) ? - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 16:59:43 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08029 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:59:42 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA05130 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <156>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:48:04 -0400 Received: from getnet.com ([204.157.9.29]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:28:12 -0400 Received: from [206.85.128.117] (phx-ip1-117.getnet.com [206.85.128.117]) by getnet.com (8.7.5/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA00830 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:56:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:56:20 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: TRanceFehr Subject: sgroup tone map Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R First of all, I want to say thanks to Ingo for the help on controlling the analog filters in the S330/S550. Also, I have been getting by without a manual for my S-550 for several months now. I finally decided to order one from roguemusic.com, but I have a gig coming up this weekend and I need some help since it probably won't arrive in time. . Initially I'd like to make a premade tone map to dump tones from D SOund Pro onto since that is the only way the program works as far as S-disks. Could someone fill me in on how to make a tone map. Also I'd appreciate any help on ways to squeeze as many 2-5 sec. tones into one bank. Thanks in advance, Joe - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 17:15:43 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08288 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:15:42 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07247 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <166>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:59:14 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:02:47 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA00181; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:59:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sfo-ca18-23.ix.netcom.com(205.184.16.215) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000160; Fri Apr 18 10:58:39 1997 Message-ID: <33579ACD.58E2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:01:17 -0400 From: LM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefano Daino CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S-50 disk? (D-SoundPRO) References: <199704180436_MC2-147E-F5B9@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Stefano Daino wrote: > LM wrote, about my program D-SoundPRO: > >>> What about making a PC version too? <<< > It could be in the next future. Cool! :-) > D-SoundPRO software is based on a C++ 'framework' which is highly > portable among different platform, except for the virtual synthesizer > module, which is strongly dependent on the Apple Sound Manager. Well, the part of your program that really matters to me is the ability to read/write to Roland disks. MIDI dump is good to, but it takes more time to transfer than just reading from a floppy. > But I suppose I could find equivalent libraries for the Sound Blaster > PRO compatible cards. I'm scared of howmany PCs models, sound cards > and midi interfaces exist and for how long time they remains in the > market. If you write your program for Windows you supposedly don't have to worry about these issues, since as long as the card has its own Windows drivers installed it should work fine (in theory). > What I mean is that D-SoundPRO runs on one hundred of Mac models > from the very old Mac II to the newest PowerMac 6500 except for one > Performa model, and the same code runs one hundred time faster if > you are using a PowerMac and not a 68k Mac. It's the same thing on the PC. A new Pentium system runs all the old software, but just a whole lot faster than a 386/486. > This is thanks to a really 'plug and play' Apple strategy. > What about PC world? It's been like that for some time by now. > D-SoundPRO can exist because it is necessary to my work and it borns > from my passion for the electronic music. But it is hard to justify > the time (nights and weekends) I'm spending on it... And it's on March/97 FM's CD. Congratulations. :-) > Let me know your comments... I think you're right on the spot. I would do it myself, but unfortunately I'm not a computer programmer (but I feel quite comfortable programming my S-330). What I need for my work is something that would allow me to transfer a WAV (PC audio) file to the S-330 digitally, preferably by writing to a disk or to an image file on my Windows 95 PC. There are already many virtual synthesizers available for the PC, so that wouldn't be the most important issue for me. > P.S.: can someone send to me a W30 sound disk image file in DART or > SMAC format (if it is feasible...) ? I would send you one myself if I could, but unfortunately I've converted all my old W-30 disks to S-550 so that my S-330 would read them more easily. |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 17:31:55 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08515 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:31:54 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08877 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <67>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:15:12 -0400 Received: from ufrmsa1.olivetti.za ([160.124.247.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <170>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 03:39:43 -0400 Received: from AKTEST by ufrmsa1.olivetti.za with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0wHmPQ-000CaiC; Thu, 17 Apr 97 10:19 GMT+0200 Message-ID: <3353E3C6.622F@ufrmsa1.olivetti.za> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:23:34 -0400 From: Aubrey Reply-To: kloppers@ufrmsa1.olivetti.za Organization: Silent Project Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: s760 Subject: sgroup Filters, Cutoff and Resonance on S760? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Please could someone help me how to get a tipical "TB-303" type sound with a S760? Thank you Aubrey Kloppers South Africa -- ********************************************* * e-mail : kloppers@ufrmsa1.olivetti.za * * tel : +27-21-21-2040 * * band : SEVEN - Trance/Dance/Techno * * city : Cape Town * * url : ufrmsa1.olivetti.za/~kloppers * ********************************************* - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 17:52:52 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08914 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:52:51 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:39:57 -0400 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com ([198.81.11.95]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <137>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:33:17 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id OAA08751; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:23:43 -0400 From: Windsound@aol.com Message-ID: <970418142252_1952297480@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: patterso@uwimona.edu.jm, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup the most trouble free removable drive for the s-760 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi Richard- I've been using the Olympus SYS.230 MO for about 5 months both on the S-760 and on a Mac. I have been incredibly happy with it. No problems at all. The cartridge is initialized by the S-760 in less than a minute (though it takes 14 minutes on a Mac with the supplied formatter!). It's about the same size as a Zip drive - in fact, I use my Zip drive carrying case to transport my SYS.230. Best of all, the cartridges come in a 5-pack from Olympus, are available at any computer store, and cost only $10/230meg cartridge! That's only $50 for over a gig worth of formatted media. With the Zip, you pay over $100 for less than a gig of formatted space. I also use the SYS.230 for Sound Designer files on my Mac. Plenty quick enough to handle 16bit stereo audio at 48khz. Best of all, data on an MO cartridge is safe from magnetic fields. The Olympus cartridges carry a lifetime warranty, and fit conveniently in any floppy storage device. One more thing. The SYS.230 has a full range of SCSI ID's. I'm sure you're familiar with the 2 ID limit on the ZIP drive. I'm not familiar with other MO drives. What more can I say? Except that I wish the 640 MO drives weren't so expensive. (The SYS.230 is about $350.) Either way, I can store a little more than 6 filled S-760 volumes (at 32meg/volume) on one cartridge. There are plenty of other 230 MO manufacturers so look around. But I can say with all certainty that the SYS.230 is an excellent choice. Good luck! Todd Scales Windsound, Inc. In a message dated 4/18/97 11:08:26 AM, patterso@uwimona.edu.jm (Richard Sven Patterson) wrote: >HI, >I have sort of sent this message in various forms in the past. >I have a syquest 270mb that I run with my s-760 which has been to put it >mildly a nightmare. I have had one for the last two years and have had to >send it back every three months to syquest for a replacement drive as after >three months it will come back with medium errors when trying to read >files. Last October they even changed the case and sent a brand new unit, >which has now started to give trouble. I have had a zip drive for over one >year and NEVER have had any problems with it. I need to get a larger >removable for it. >Does anyone have any experiences with the following options > >1) Syquest 230 MB Flyer, yeah why would I still stick with Syquest. Well, I >may be able to convince them to switch the 270 for a 230 so this may be the >easiest and cheapest solution. > >2) MO 230 drive > >3) MO 540 drive > >4) MO 640 drive > > >Has anyone had any experiences good or bad with the above mentioned drives. >thanks so much in advance, for ANY help/suggestions opinions etc. >thanks, >richard sven - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 18:10:30 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09360 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:10:28 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:52:36 -0400 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.133]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <185>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:34:10 -0400 Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA07251; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:09:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:08:49 -0400 From: stefano Daino Subject: Re: sgroup S-50 disk? (D-SoundPRO) To: LM Cc: sgroup Message-ID: <199704181608_MC2-148C-A0A4@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R LM, thank you for your reply. >>> MIDI dump is good to, but it takes more time to transfer than just reading from a floppy <<< I think that scsi (for new samplers) is the real solution. To read all tones from floppy is very fast, but to save only one tone not so useful... I wrote the code for it only because many users asked for this, but it is not so faster than midi. >>> What I need for my work is something that would allow me to transfer a WAV (PC audio) file to the S-330 digitally, preferably by writing to a disk or to an image file on my Windows 95 PC. <<< Did you try something called Awave for PC? I have never used it, but it seems supporting a lot of sound formats. Finally I found the technical references, and as soon as possible D-SoundPRO will support the .WAV format (the next version, that will be available next week, will support the Sound Designer II files load/save). But at moment you need a Mac to use it... Ciao Stefano - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 18:24:39 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09649 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:24:38 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:09:58 -0400 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu ([128.32.155.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:33:42 -0400 Received: from [128.32.203.209] (hav307-13.SPH.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.203.209]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA30087 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.4 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:10:31 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: ckirkham@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Chris Kirkham) Subject: Re: sgroup the most trouble free removable drive for the s-760 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Richard, Remeber if you dont scan your removable before you write and you just put a different cartridge in, it will write over what it thinks is the directory for the previous cartridge. This can lead to nasty errors similar to what you describe. I use a syquest 270 and have had no problems after vigalently rescaning. This does not mean that yours is not hardware-related. >HI, >I have sort of sent this message in various forms in the past. >I have a syquest 270mb that I run with my s-760 which has been to put it >mildly a nightmare. I have had one for the last two years and have had to >send it back every three months to syquest for a replacement drive as after >three months it will come back with medium errors when trying to read >files. Last October they even changed the case and sent a brand new unit, >which has now started to give trouble. I have had a zip drive for over one >year and NEVER have had any problems with it. I need to get a larger >removable for it. >Does anyone have any experiences with the following options > >1) Syquest 230 MB Flyer, yeah why would I still stick with Syquest. Well, I >may be able to convince them to switch the 270 for a 230 so this may be the >easiest and cheapest solution. > >2) MO 230 drive > >3) MO 540 drive > >4) MO 640 drive > > >Has anyone had any experiences good or bad with the above mentioned drives. >thanks so much in advance, for ANY help/suggestions opinions etc. >thanks, >richard sven > >richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm >809-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice >809-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" >hounDog music > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Chris Kirkham ckirkham@uclink4.berkeley.edu (510)665-1986 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 18:39:45 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09992 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:39:43 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:26:32 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.16]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:24:23 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA19625; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:08:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sfo-ca14-03.ix.netcom.com(205.184.16.67) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019569; Fri Apr 18 17:08:24 1997 Message-ID: <3357F175.7408@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:11:01 -0400 From: LM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stefano Daino CC: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup S-50 disk? (D-SoundPRO) References: <199704181608_MC2-148C-A0A4@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R stefano Daino wrote: > LM, thank you for your reply. You're welcome. :-) > I think that scsi (for new samplers) is the real solution. Yes indeed, but my old S-330 doesn't even have that as a practical option, and spending 2 grands on a new sampler with SCSI is not one of my priorities. :-) > To read all tones from floppy is very fast, but to save only one tone > not so useful... To me it would be the most useful thing. Let me explain: what I need is something that would allow me to transfer a WAV file that was digitally extracted from an audio sampling CD using my CD-ROM drive. This would bypass all the tedious analog sampling process, where I have to cue the CD on the right spot, set up the levels, etc. If I could just write a "clean and undistorted" WAV file straight to a floppy disk or even an sdisk image file, that would save the day for me, if you understand my point. All the looping and programming can easily be done on the S-330, since I have a monitor hooked up to it. And I learned to program using just the LCD on a W-30 that a friend of mine used to have (and just to make it even more fun, he lost the manual on the first week that he had it, so I guess I know what "start from scratch" really means...). :-) > I wrote the code for it only because many users asked for this, but > it is not so faster than midi. I know that, but it's a hell of a lot faster considering the time that I would end up saving on the process. > Did you try something called Awave for PC? I have never used it, but > it seems supporting a lot of sound formats. Yes, it does support a lot of formats, bus as all the other programs that I know, it only READS but DOES NOT WRITE to those damn S-330/550 disks. :-( > Finally I found the technical references, and as soon as possible > D-SoundPRO will support the .WAV format (the next version, that will > be available next week, will support the Sound Designer II files > load/save). Cool! It's good to know that you keep on improving it. :-) > But at moment you need a Mac to use it... Yes, I've been thinking about getting one of those old Macs that people sell on garage sales for a hundred bucks or so. Or if I'm just a little bit lucky I might be able to find one laying around on a trashcan (no kidding). :-) Would an SE-30 be good enough for running your program and reading WAV files from PC floppies? What are the minimum requirements btw? |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 18 19:16:59 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10496 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:16:58 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:07:02 -0400 Received: from bernie.compusmart.ab.ca ([199.185.130.34]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:06:13 -0400 Received: from wcp (remote495.compusmart.ab.ca [206.75.85.214]) by bernie.compusmart.ab.ca (8.7.4/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA21839 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199704182327.RAA21839@bernie.compusmart.ab.ca> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: World.Citizen@compusmart.ab.ca To: sgroup Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:59:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: sgroup Take me off the list please, I mean how to . . . Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello, Sorry, but these messages are damn annoying :). How do I get off the list? --- Jeff Ward http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/wcp e-mail: jeffw@audiophile.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sat Apr 19 05:41:48 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA06723 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:41:47 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA30027 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <162>; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:26:49 -0400 Received: from virtua.virtua.ch ([193.246.252.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:25:41 -0400 Received: from marcel2.virtua.ch (unverified [195.176.150.33]) by virtua.virtua.ch (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:36:10 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970419112500.007760e8@virtua.virtua.ch> X-Sender: marcel@virtua.virtua.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (32) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:25:01 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Marcel Prisi Subject: Re: sgroup the most trouble free removable drive for the s-760 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R At 00:21 18.04.97 -0400, you wrote: >HI, >I have sort of sent this message in various forms in the past. >I have a syquest 270mb that I run with my s-760 which has been to put it >mildly a nightmare. I have had one for the last two years and have had to >send it back every three months to syquest for a replacement drive as after >three months it will come back with medium errors when trying to read >files. Last October they even changed the case and sent a brand new unit, >which has now started to give trouble. I have had a zip drive for over one >year and NEVER have had any problems with it. I need to get a larger >removable for it. >Does anyone have any experiences with the following options > > Just to let you know that I had the same kind of trouble with a 270Mb Syquest too ... It finally appeared that my external case power supply was too weak, so I put the syquest in my PC, and it has been working perfectly since .. Hope it helps ... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Sat Apr 19 06:00:31 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA18166 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 06:00:30 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA15948 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 06:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:45:24 -0400 Received: from virtua.virtua.ch ([193.246.252.20]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <182>; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:43:03 -0400 Received: from marcel2.virtua.ch (unverified [195.176.150.33]) by virtua.virtua.ch (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:49:32 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970419113816.0077d10c@virtua.virtua.ch> X-Sender: marcel@virtua.virtua.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (32) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:38:23 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Marcel Prisi Subject: Re: sgroup S-50 disk? (D-SoundPRO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R At 04:35 18.04.97 -0400, you wrote: >LM wrote, about my program D-SoundPRO: > >>>> > What about making a PC version too? ><<< > >It could be in the next future. D-SoundPRO software is based on a C++ >'framework' which is highly portable among different platform, except for >the virtual synthesizer module, which is strongly dependent on the Apple >Sound Manager. But I suppose I could find equivalent libraries for the >Sound Blaster PRO compatible cards. > >I'm scared of howmany PCs models, sound cards and midi interfaces exist and >for how long time they remains in the market. What I mean is that >D-SoundPRO runs on one hundred of Mac models from the very old Mac II to >the newest PowerMac 6500 except for one Performa model, and the same code >runs one hundred time faster if you are using a PowerMac and not a 68k Mac. >This is thanks to a really 'plug and play' Apple strategy. What about PC >world? > This is were the "magic" of Windoze appears ... There are API's that let you use any soundcard as if there was only one on the market, and now, with Direct-X, you get even more control. I can think of Rebirth (http://www.propellerheads.se), which works on Macs and PC's, and has a quite heavy synthesisis ... So I think neither Mac's nor PC's are better, but different approaches ... - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 21 00:03:11 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA23536 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:03:10 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:48:08 -0400 Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net ([204.250.46.18]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:47:33 -0400 Received: from [153.34.214.158] (Cust30.Max7.San-Diego.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.34.214.158]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19685 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:47:20 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Steve Branson Subject: sgroup S-500 & D-SoundPro Problems Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Every time I try to send a sample to my S550 using D-SoundPro, it freezes up (not my computer, the Sampler). It sends MIDI messages through the on-screen keyboard, so I know I have the right MIDI/DEVICE ID numbers. Anyone had similar problems, or have suggestions? Using a PM7100/80 with 7.6.1 and S550 Util v. 1.15. Steve ------------------------------------------------------ steve branson \\\\\\\ \\\\\\\ scbranson@earthlink.net \\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\ http://www.earthlink.net/~scbranson \\\\\\ \\\\\\\ \\\\\ intuitive design \\\\\\\ \\\\\\ encinitas, ca \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 619.944.4575 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 21 02:51:52 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26299 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 02:51:47 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA16356 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 02:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 02:38:09 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <159>; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:23:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00538; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:23:09 -0400 From: sharvey To: Aubrey cc: s760 Subject: Re: sgroup Filters, Cutoff and Resonance on S760? In-Reply-To: <3353E3C6.622F@ufrmsa1.olivetti.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Aubrey wrote: > Please could someone help me how to get a tipical "TB-303" type sound > with a S760? > Thank you > Aubrey Kloppers > South Africa > I've had a little success coming up with acidy techno sounds on my 760, and have used 303 samples as a basic sound source, but haven't come up with anything that sounds like a "real" 303 sound... The main reason, I think, is that the resonant filter on the 760 doesn't sound right, and there's no realtime control (that I know of) of the filter resonance. Try mapping the filter (TVF) cutoff and LFO to aftertouch and/or MIDI controllers and changing them in realtime over top of a looped sequence... I really wish their were a way to do this with the resonance, too, but I haven't figured out how... -Steve - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 21 06:12:50 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA04526 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:12:48 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:02:09 -0400 Received: from arl-img-10.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.140]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:01:15 -0400 Received: by arl-img-10.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id GAA27416; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:01:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 05:59:36 -0400 From: Stefano Daino Subject: Re: sgroup S-50 disk? (D-SoundPRO) To: LM Cc: Roland User List Message-ID: <199704210600_MC2-14A3-C541@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R LM, >>> Would an SE-30 be good enough for running your program and reading WAV files from PC floppies? What are the minimum requirements btw? <<< The SE-30 has a very little screen, so I suspect you cannot see all the tool palette and the virtual keyboard, but D-SoundPRO should work fine if system 7.1 is installed and you have 4 MBytes of free RAM. These are the requirements to run D-SoundPRO: >>> System requirements: System 7.1, SoundManager 3.1 and a 68020 MAC supporting 16 bit audio (68030 mac recommended for MIDI) (68000 and 68k+FPU versions also available from me) Optional: MIDI interface and synth supporting MIDI Sample Dump Standard, a MAC with sound inputs, OMS 1.2 (or better). <<< Ciao Stefano - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 21 06:27:27 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA04835 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:27:27 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA08786 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <114>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:12:34 -0400 Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com ([149.174.217.132]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <137>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:01:19 -0400 Received: by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id GAA08415; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:01:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 05:59:41 -0400 From: Stefano Daino Subject: sgroup S-500 & D-SoundPro Problems To: Steve Branson Cc: Roland User List Message-ID: <199704210600_MC2-14A3-C542@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Steve, >>> Every time I try to send a sample to my S550 using D-SoundPro, it freezes up (not my computer, the Sampler). It sends MIDI messages through the on-screen keyboard, so I know I have the right MIDI/DEVICE ID numbers. Anyone had similar problems, or have suggestions? <<< I know people using the S550 without problems. - Which mac and midi interface are you using? I hope this can help: - Use OMS as midi manager (you can download it from www.opcode.com - disable virtual memory or RAM doubler - check in the 'midi' page of your S550 if you have enable the midi sysex messages - try first to transfer a sound from your S550 to your mac - than try the contrary Let me know! Ciao Stefano Daino - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 21 22:25:13 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA28019 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:25:12 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:14:47 -0400 Received: from linux.ntic.qc.ca ([205.236.172.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:13:54 -0400 Received: from 205.236.172.86 (mdm56.ntic.qc.ca [205.236.172.86]) by linux.ntic.qc.ca (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA07817 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:23:53 -0400 Message-ID: <335C1EDA.FF@ntic.qc.ca> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:13:46 -0400 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on lotus.uwaterloo.ca: From: Martin Liz=?iso-8859-1?Q?=E9e ?= ^-missing end of mailbox Reply-To: lizeem@ntic.qc.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup Problem with SMAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by linux.ntic.qc.ca id WAA07817 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi everyone, I'm new to this group and I am very pleased to have found it. Here's my=20 question. I downloaded some Roland S770 sounds from the ftp site and=20 when i try to put them on disk using the SMAC software, it gives me an=20 error saying that the sample length is wrong. If I click "continue=20 anyway", the transfer is being done but when I load the sounds in my=20 S760, there are lots of samples missing. I may have the first couple=20 patches but I don't get any sounds from the others. Am I doing something=20 wrong? By the way, I'm using Zipit to decompress the files. Thanks Martin Liz=E9e Sound engineer Montr=E9al, Canada - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 22 05:05:27 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA12725 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:05:26 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:52:28 -0400 Received: from jupiter.centrin.net.id ([202.146.255.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:51:38 -0400 Received: from [202.146.255.144] by jupiter.centrin.net.id; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Jul96-0523PM) id AB26409; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:51:17 +0700 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:51:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9704220851.AB26409@jupiter.centrin.net.id> X-Sender: ajuwono@centrin.net.id (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Albert Juwono Subject: sgroup Need information on Softwares Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Several days ago I upgraded my PC (Window95). Now I can play with some serious sample editing software. I have S-760. If you have good times using a specific software with reasonable (read: not too expensive) price please let me know. Has anyone use Steinberg Recycle! How good is it? How about Passport Alchemy, etc-etc for PC. What exactly the software do? I mean, did I have to transfer the samples first into my computer and then doing the edit or else? Do this process affects sound quality. I have mediocre soundcard. Please fill me in on this one! Thanks in advance Regards, Albert - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 22 12:18:02 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08198 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:18:01 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09891 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:07:19 -0400 Received: from k9.dds.nl ([194.109.21.19]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:06:30 -0400 Received: from dds.nl (TF2@drt01-06.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.42.7]) by k9.dds.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28430 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:03:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Joris Crul To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Subject: sgroup New User MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Haya, I'm quite new to this list so I don't know if anyone has already asked this question before. I have a W30 sampler and I want to make the samples with my computer. I have formatted a disk on my W30, I know this also can be done by WINIT.exe on PC. I put all my samples on disk with WPUT.exe. Then I load the disk into my W30. Finally my W30 won't play any sound? I hope that someone can help me ? Another question. I've been in contact with a fellow on this email adres : . He could get a SCSI device for my W30. It a pitty but the last few days my mail get bounced to this person and I really wan this SCSI device. So I hope you read this and mail me back, otherwise I need someone else who can order a SCSI device in his country. It can't be done anymore in the Netherlands :( -- ---------------------------------------------------------- The Fox II - MoNo / ReAlItY / Oops! / arf! 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Hq at http://oops.in.nl ... all releases are online Check the arf! homepage http://musictech.ml.org/~arf/ Check the W30 homepage http://www.musictech.ml.org/~tf2/w30/w30.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 23 10:04:37 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06035 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:04:36 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:52:27 -0400 Received: from atom.om.com.au ([203.15.66.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:51:35 -0400 Received: from lennox32.om.com.au by atom.om.com.au (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06840; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:36:46 +1000 Received: by lennox32.om.com.au with Microsoft Mail id <01BC5041.806DB120@lennox32.om.com.au>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:53:11 +1000 Message-Id: <01BC5041.806DB120@lennox32.om.com.au> From: Pocket To: "'sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca'" Subject: sgroup RE: w30 put Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:53:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi, Can anyone give me some advise on how to use WPUT.exe. to put .wav = samples onto a W30 formatted disc on a PC. I've got MS DOS prompt but = I'm not familiar with this DOS stuff.=20 Thanks Tone tone@om.com.au=20 - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 23 11:30:22 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08563 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:30:21 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <138>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:20:51 -0400 Received: from cww.de ([193.189.224.209]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <114>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:19:57 -0400 Received: from 195.71.24.14 by cww.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA00438; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:19:35 +0200 Message-ID: <335E284F.2DF1@cww.de> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:18:39 -0400 From: Ingo Debus Reply-To: debus@cww.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup S-500 & D-SoundPro Problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: RO Hi Steve, >Every time I try to send a sample to my S550 using D-SoundPro, >it freezes up (not my computer, the Sampler). While transferring data from or to the sampler, do not press any of the sampler's buttons and do not move its mouse. This makes the S-330 (and the S-550 too, I guess) interrupt the SysEx data flow by other SysEx messages. Regards, Ingo - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 25 12:32:13 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12788 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:32:13 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:01:17 -0400 Received: from ihgw2.lucent.com ([207.19.48.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <126>; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:59:38 -0400 Received: from aloft by ihig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id KAA08894; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:53:05 -0500 Received: from kryton (kryton.micro.lucent.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M11.2) id AA13451; Fri, 25 Apr 97 11:59:55 EDT Received: by kryton (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S3.1) id AA24516; Fri, 25 Apr 97 11:59:54 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:59:54 -0400 From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <9704251559.AA24516@kryton> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup EMUSIC Playlist Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Playlist for "EMUSIC" on WDIY-FM, Allentown 88.1 FM in Allentown/Bethleham and 93.9 FM in Easton/Phillipsburg Show #11 April 24, 1997. Host: Bill Fox This show jump-started May's month-long focus on Robert Rich. Each week, one of his CDs will be featured at midnight. In addition, a preview of the upcoming Star's End Gathering in Philadelphia was presented by playing the music of Pure Gamma. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================= =============================== 11:00 pm Pure Gamma Asynchronous Defective Soundscapes(Defective) Code: Indigo 2'05,5'22,&0'55 For Whom the Bell (AD Music) Jonn Serrie Mystery Road PlanetaryChroniclesVol1(Miramar) Team Metlay To Gather Again Ballistic (Atomic City) Tangerine Dream Force Majeure Force Majeure (Virgin) Robert Fripp/Brian Eno Wind on Water Ambient Vol2 (Virgin) 12:00 am Robert Rich Animus Propogation (Hearts of Space) Robert Rich Lifeblood Propogation (Hearts of Space) Robert Rich Whispers of Eden Propogation (Hearts of Space) Robert Rich Terraced Fields Propogation (Hearts of Space) Robert Rich Luminous Horizon Propogation (Hearts of Space) Robert Rich Spirit Catcher Propogation (Hearts of Space) Robert Rich Guilin Propogation (Hearts of Space) 1:00 am Sign off Next time on EMUSIC, the feature CD at midnight will be Robert Rich's Hearts Space release, "Gaudi." More Pure Gamma tracks will be played to help promote their appearance at the upcoming Star's End Gathering #11. - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Fri Apr 25 12:56:05 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13386 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:56:05 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20128 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:34:42 -0400 Received: from jupiter.centrin.net.id ([202.146.255.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:33:09 -0400 Received: from [202.146.255.221] by jupiter.centrin.net.id; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Jul96-0523PM) id AA08455; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 23:13:35 +0700 Message-Id: <9704251613.AA08455@jupiter.centrin.net.id> From: "Albert Juwono" To: Subject: sgroup Tips of the day Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:09:04 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Yeah, that's very cool tips. How about starting a Tips of The day series. This way we can gain much information an knowledge about our sampler. I think S-760 is a bit complex in terms of user interface, I don't know about other Roland Samplers. Maybe with Tips Of The Day from member of this list would likely improve our ways of working and maybe found a new trick on how to manipulate those sounds. Comment? (I have this idea from the Wavestation mailing list. Many tips from the list are very useful) Tips of The Day: Like the previous tip from Todd, you can work similar way with the time stretching feature. You can time convert spesific region on a sample. Usually I time stretched a snare/kick drum sample after the attack part. Now that the decay part is much longer and grittier, I compress the sample (to bring out the decay), and then truncate it with very large 'Fade' number, usually above 200 (to make a gated like sound). If you have an efx box, add a little room reverb. I do that with Bob Clearmountin's Drum 2 CDRom, so the samples weren't so boring. Using the manual time stretch is a bit tricky though, I prefer to use the auto mode. Regards, Albert At 13:03 03/04/97 -0500, you wrote: >You can also use the bit convert on a specific region of a sample. I like to >make a copy of the drum loop sample (so I don't ruin the original sample), >then I use the bit convert on the last 2 beats (or whatever area I wish to >affect). The bit convert window still lets you choose a region with the wave >graph - very handy. This way, you can trigger the clean sample or the bit >converted sample, each on the downbeat. > > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From <@lotus.uwaterloo.ca:ai@wco.com> Mon Apr 28 08:59:30 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03943 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:59:29 -0400 Received: from watserv1.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.128.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:59:01 -0400 Received: from shell.wco.com (ai@shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10203; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ai@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA29650; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:42:40 -0400 From: ai Message-Id: <199704280042.RAA29650@shell.wco.com> To: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: ====== HELP: Using Sony MagOptical drive/disks w/ S760 ====== Cc: ai@shell.wco.com Status: R Hello, I'm looking to buy a used Sony MagOptical drive for use with a S760 sampler. The drive mechanism is: Sony model is SMO-D501-21 1. this drive works with 600MB disks - which are actually 300MB per side x 2 sides ? [Or can the drive work with 1.2GB disk carts? (600MB per side x 2 sides?) ] 2. if 300MB per side - each side can store 300MB formatted or 325MB formatted or ?? (after formatting with the S760's Format command) 3. who sells disk carts used or low price for the SMO-D501-21 ? Thanks for any feedback to : ai@wco.com From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 28 09:41:10 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05096 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:41:10 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20301 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <162>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:22:03 -0400 Received: from watserv1.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.128.10]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <136>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:59:01 -0400 Received: from shell.wco.com (ai@shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10203; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ai@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA29650; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:42:40 -0400 From: ai Message-Id: <199704280042.RAA29650@shell.wco.com> To: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca, sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup ====== HELP: Using Sony MagOptical drive/disks w/ S760 ====== Cc: ai@shell.wco.com Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello, I'm looking to buy a used Sony MagOptical drive for use with a S760 sampler. The drive mechanism is: Sony model is SMO-D501-21 1. this drive works with 600MB disks - which are actually 300MB per side x 2 sides ? [Or can the drive work with 1.2GB disk carts? (600MB per side x 2 sides?) ] 2. if 300MB per side - each side can store 300MB formatted or 325MB formatted or ?? (after formatting with the S760's Format command) 3. who sells disk carts used or low price for the SMO-D501-21 ? Thanks for any feedback to : ai@wco.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 28 10:08:44 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05772 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:08:42 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <159>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:41:57 -0400 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.140.144]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <135>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:20:18 -0400 Received: from shell.wco.com (ai@shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04676 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 19:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ai@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA00415; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 16:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 19:26:49 -0400 From: ai Message-Id: <199704262326.QAA00415@shell.wco.com> To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: sgroup ====== HELP: Using Sony MagOptical drive/disks w/ S760 ====== Cc: ai@shell.wco.com Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hello, I'm looking to buy a used Sony MagOptical drive for use with a S760 sampler. The drive mechanism is: Sony model is SMO-D501-21 1. this drive works with 600MB disks - which are actually 300MB per side x 2 sides ? [Or can the drive work with 1.2GB disk carts? (600MB per side x 2 sides?) ] 2. if 300MB per side - each side can store 300MB formatted or 325MB formatted or ?? (after formatting with the S760's Format command) 3. who sells disk carts used or low price for the SMO-D501-21 ? Thanks for any feedback to : ai@wco.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 28 13:26:14 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10459 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:26:13 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:13:51 -0400 Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.137]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <126>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:13:02 -0400 Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA24245; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:12:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:11:54 -0400 From: Harold LaRue To: Roland Sampler Group Subject: sgroup MIDI SDS info needed Message-ID: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Greetings! I have a Roland S-550 and would like to edit some of my samples on a PC. Although I have found several wonderful programs that will convert SDS dumps to .WAV files, I cannot figure out how to initiate the S-550's dump. So the PC program just sits waiting for the data. An older version of Alchemy for my old Mac Plus would automatically send this command to the sampler, so I know it can be done. Any help with this problem is MOST appreciated! Also, does anyone know of a supplier of SCSI cards for the S-550? Cheers, Harold LaRue hlarue@csi.compuserve.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 28 17:18:39 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA15582 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:18:38 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:04:00 -0400 Received: from smtp.inet.fi ([192.89.123.192]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <126>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:02:36 -0400 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@user-510-128.dial.inet.fi (port 1426 [193.210.134.128]) by smtp.inet.fi with SMTP id <18547-19671>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:02:22 +0300 X-Sender: eskora-1@pop.inet.fi Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:03:49 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi (Illusion Rake) Subject: sgroup [off topic] Roland data compression Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi, does anybody know if the data compression method found on VS-880 is similar to JV series wave data compression? (Not that I would do anything with that information - I=B4m just curious...:) Btw, I am planning to expand my sonic potential with a S-760 in addition to my old trusty S-750. Is the midi responde any better compared to S-750s=B4 kinda sluggish action? Rauli <>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<> I l l u s i o n R a k e producer/artist A n n B e l l F e l l on EMI/Flex ProVoice Productions Oy tel. +358-(9)17-6537 091 fax. +358-(9)17-6166 031 Lukiokatu 36, HAMEENLINNA, Finland email: rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi <>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<> - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 28 17:59:59 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16709 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:59:59 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29046 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <159>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:43:42 -0400 Received: from hauki.clinet.fi ([194.100.0.1]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <137>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:42:35 -0400 Received: from cantina.clinet.fi (root@cantina.clinet.fi [194.100.0.15]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.5/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA09387 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:42:18 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from localhost (captain@localhost) by cantina.clinet.fi (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id AAA29202 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:42:27 +0300 (EEST) X-Authentication-Warning: cantina.clinet.fi: captain owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:42:26 -0400 From: Markus Kaarlonen To: sgroup Subject: sgroup: S-760 midi response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Illusion Rake wrote: > Btw, I am planning to expand my sonic potential with a S-760 > in addition to my old trusty S-750. Is the midi responde any better > compared to S-750s=B4 kinda sluggish action? I don't know how the midi response of s-760 is compared to s-750, but I do know that it is slooooow. :) I usually play all drum sounds from s-760, but often end up playing the bass drum from some other sampler, because you can clearly hear the delays. And that doesn't require very complex arrangements, just the basic drum set and something extra, not even near the full polyphony of s-760. That really irritates sometimes. On the other hand, my ASR-10 is even more sluggish, and I don't know if any sampler is very much faster than s-760... I guess that's a basic problem that can only be avoided with a big stack of samplers. :) Markus "Captain" Kaarlonen "A film is - or should be - more like music M2 Productions than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods m2.asdf.org and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the captain@clinet.fi meaning, all that comes later." -- Stanley Kubrick - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 28 18:41:26 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17391 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:41:25 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:30:09 -0400 Received: from smtp.inet.fi ([192.89.123.192]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <126>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:29:18 -0400 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@user-510-164.dial.inet.fi (port 1409 [193.210.134.164]) by smtp.inet.fi with SMTP id <18544-19671>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:29:01 +0300 X-Sender: eskora-1@pop.inet.fi Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:30:31 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi (Illusion Rake) Subject: Re: sgroup: S-760 midi response Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R > ...I don't know if any >sampler is very much faster than s-760... I guess that's a basic problem >that can only be avoided with a big stack of samplers. :) Well, I had a change to compare my 750 with AKAI S2800 and emu-64. No scientifical methods were used :) - just a thick sequence with heavy controller/pb data and about equal set of drums in each sampler. Ear-based differences were obvious: e-64 responded best, then AKAI and the slowest one was 750...:( However i do not dislike the idea of having a wall of 750=B4s, 760=B4s and 7= 70=B4s... Rauli <>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<> I l l u s i o n R a k e producer/artist A n n B e l l F e l l on EMI/Flex ProVoice Productions Oy tel. +358-(9)17-6537 091 fax. +358-(9)17-6166 031 Lukiokatu 36, HAMEENLINNA, Finland email: rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi <>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<> - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 29 05:55:13 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03899 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:55:08 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA05485 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:44:12 -0400 Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.137]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:43:22 -0400 Received: from argonaut.demon.co.uk ([158.152.11.252]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1002539; 29 Apr 97 10:00 BST Received: from bagpuss.argonaut.com by argonaut.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0wM8l0-0003joC; Tue, 29 Apr 97 09:59 BST Received: from BAGPUSS/MAILQ by bagpuss.argonaut.com (Mercury 1.21); 29 Apr 97 10:04:22 +0 Received: from MAILQ by BAGPUSS (Mercury 1.21); 29 Apr 97 10:03:56 +0 From: Justin Scharvona Organization: Argonaut Software Ltd To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 06:03:54 -0400 Subject: Re: sgroup: S-760 midi response Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-ID: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R [*] I don't know how the midi response of s-760 is compared to s-750, but I [*] do know that it is slooooow. :) I usually play all drum sounds from s-760, [*] but often end up playing the bass drum from some other sampler, because [*] you can clearly hear the delays. And that doesn't require very complex [*] arrangements, just the basic drum set and something extra, not even near [*] the full polyphony of s-760. That really irritates sometimes. On the [*] other hand, my ASR-10 is even more sluggish, and I don't know if any [*] sampler is very much faster than s-760... I guess that's a basic problem [*] that can only be avoided with a big stack of samplers. :) Is anyone 100% certain about the samplers being sluggish ? I've never thought they were and have done all sorts of music on them. The only time I ever found it slow down was when my midi card wasn't able to send data out fast enough (an old sblaster 1.0). ----------------------------------------------- justin@argonaut.com ----------------------------------------------- Music Dept Leader Argonaut Software Ltd. 70 Colindale Avenue, Colindale London, NW9 5ER, England Tel: +44-181-200 5777 Fax: +44-181-200 9866 ----------------------------------------------- - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 29 07:09:24 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05275 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:09:23 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA09977 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:00:00 -0400 Received: from hil-img-9.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.139]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 06:59:10 -0400 Received: by hil-img-9.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id GAA02157; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 06:59:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 06:58:13 -0400 From: Stefano Daino Subject: Re: sgroup: S-760 midi response To: Roland User List Message-ID: <199704290659_MC2-159A-C359@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R >>> Is anyone 100% certain about the samplers being sluggish ? I've never thought they were and have done all sorts of music on them. The only time I ever found it slow down was when my midi card wasn't able to send data out fast enough (an old sblaster 1.0). <<< I agree. Stefano - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 29 10:44:05 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09664 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:44:04 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:31:34 -0400 Received: from uwimona.edu.jm ([196.3.0.2]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:30:01 -0400 Received: from by uwimona.edu.jm (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB10378; Tue, 29 Apr 97 09:25:17-050 X-Sender: patterso@minotaur.uwimona.edu.jm Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:21:51 -0400 To: Justin Scharvona , sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: Richard Sven Patterson Subject: Re: sgroup: S-760 midi response Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R At 5:03 AM -0500 29/4/97, Justin Scharvona wrote: >[*] I don't know how the midi response of s-760 is compared to s-750, but I >[*] do know that it is slooooow. :) I usually play all drum sounds from s-760, >[*] but often end up playing the bass drum from some other sampler, because >[*] you can clearly hear the delays. And that doesn't require very complex >[*] arrangements, just the basic drum set and something extra, not even near >[*] the full polyphony of s-760. That really irritates sometimes. On the >[*] other hand, my ASR-10 is even more sluggish, and I don't know if any >[*] sampler is very much faster than s-760... I guess that's a basic problem >[*] that can only be avoided with a big stack of samplers. :) > >Is anyone 100% certain about the samplers being sluggish ? I've never >thought they were and have done all sorts of music on them. The only >time I ever found it slow down was when my midi card wasn't able to >send data out fast enough (an old sblaster 1.0). > I too was a little puzzled by the response, especially since I do music that is sometimes heavily percussive to sometimes heavily orchestrated with mondo strings etc. And I have never noticed the s-760 being slow. Sometimes it drops notes even if you give these notes priority, but I have never found it acting sluggish. Maybe I don't have the golden ears. richard sven richard sven patterson patterso@uwimona.edu.jm 809-924-2898 "to fight for truth, justice 809-925-1247 (fax) and the analytical way" hounDog music - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 29 11:22:28 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10639 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:22:27 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:11:53 -0400 Received: from hil-img-9.compuserve.com ([149.174.177.139]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:20:37 -0400 Received: by hil-img-9.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA11811; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:20:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:19:09 -0400 From: Harold LaRue To: Roland Sampler Group Subject: sgroup S-550 SDS Message-ID: Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Thanks for all of your help! I figured out how to convert my S-550 files to .wav format, which was my initial goal. I used SDISK to make an .out file then read that into AWAVE 32 and saved in the proper format. I must say that AWAVE makes a very strong case for registration. :) I spent the better part of the evening converting disks and will post some of the more useful images to the FTP site soon. Again, thanks for your support! Harold LaRue hlarue@csi.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 29 12:56:05 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13114 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:56:04 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:45:56 -0400 Received: from www.agents-online.com ([207.87.0.33]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:45:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (sharvey@localhost) by www.agents-online.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01324 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:45:00 -0400 From: sharvey To: sgroup Subject: Re: sgroup: S-760 midi response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Richard Sven Patterson wrote: > At 5:03 AM -0500 29/4/97, Justin Scharvona wrote: > >[*] I don't know how the midi response of s-760 is compared to s-750, but I > >[*] do know that it is slooooow. :) I usually play all drum sounds from s-760, > >[*] but often end up playing the bass drum from some other sampler, because > >[*] you can clearly hear the delays. And that doesn't require very complex > >[*] arrangements, just the basic drum set and something extra, not even near > >[*] the full polyphony of s-760. That really irritates sometimes. On the > >[*] other hand, my ASR-10 is even more sluggish, and I don't know if any > >[*] sampler is very much faster than s-760... I guess that's a basic problem > >[*] that can only be avoided with a big stack of samplers. :) > > > >Is anyone 100% certain about the samplers being sluggish ? I've never > >thought they were and have done all sorts of music on them. The only > >time I ever found it slow down was when my midi card wasn't able to > >send data out fast enough (an old sblaster 1.0). > > > > I too was a little puzzled by the response, especially since I do music > that is sometimes heavily percussive to sometimes heavily orchestrated with > mondo strings etc. And I have never noticed the s-760 being slow. Sometimes > it drops notes even if you give these notes priority, but I have never > found it acting sluggish. Maybe I don't have the golden ears. I also think the midi card is more of a culprit than the 760 itself. I never noticed the sluggishness of the 760 when I had it connected to my old Atari 1040STe (which had _great_ built-in MIDI), and the sampler sounds noticably tighter when I control it from another synth, as opposed to playing sequences through a soundblaster 16 MIDI port (yeah, I know I need a dedicated MIDI card... Haven't been in the PC world *that* long and always plenty else to buy... ;-) ) BTW, what do people suggest for a fairly basic dedicated MIDI card. Right now my entire MIDI setup is a 760 and one or two other synths, so I could probably make do with 1-in 1-out (since I have an external MIDI splitter box). What's solid and not too expensive? -Steve - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Tue Apr 29 15:09:46 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16552 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:09:46 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:58:16 -0400 Received: from smtp.inet.fi ([192.89.123.192]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:57:26 -0400 Received: from IDENT-NOT-QUERIED@kiosk-10-30.dial.inet.fi (port 1698 [193.210.134.21]) by smtp.inet.fi with SMTP id <18757-19673>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:57:10 +0300 X-Sender: eskora-1@pop.inet.fi Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:58:46 -0400 To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From: rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi (Illusion Rake) Subject: Re: sgroup: S-760 midi response Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R >>>> >Is anyone 100% certain about the samplers being sluggish ? I've never >thought they were and have done all sorts of music on them. The only >time I ever found it slow down was when my midi card wasn't able to >send data out fast enough (an old sblaster 1.0). ><<< > >I agree. > >Stefano Well, for most situations the is good enough...but, for example, creating a dense and fast breakbeat/drum =B4n bass groove with 32th note snare fills, adding more percussive stuff and other sounds, controller data for real time filter action etc. going gets tough for my s-750 and audible timing errors can be heard. It has nothing to do with my midi interface. But it may be also that people producing dance music are more critical on this timing subject?? thanx for RESPONSE :) rauli <>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<> I l l u s i o n R a k e producer/artist A n n B e l l F e l l on EMI/Flex ProVoice Productions Oy tel. +358-(9)17-6537 091 fax. +358-(9)17-6166 031 Lukiokatu 36, HAMEENLINNA, Finland email: rauli.eskolin@provoice.inet.fi <>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<> - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 30 03:47:14 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA05255 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:47:13 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA21259 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:36:39 -0400 Received: from jupiter.centrin.net.id ([202.146.255.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:35:49 -0400 Received: from [202.146.255.161] by jupiter.centrin.net.id; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/11Jul96-0523PM) id AB25672; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:35:16 +0700 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:35:16 -0400 Message-Id: <9704300735.AB25672@jupiter.centrin.net.id> X-Sender: ajuwono@centrin.net.id X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Roland Sampler Group From: Albert Juwono Subject: sgroup SDS Software for S-760 Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi already asked about SDS software, but here it is again. If you guys ever use a good software (for S-760) with Sample edit and Sample Dump ability please drop me some information about it. I really get tired looking at S-760's tiny screen for a year and a half. If the softs available on the internet, please also drop me the address. Thanks! Regards Albert UUh, one more thing, I don't think S-760's midi response is slow. My main gripe is when triggering stereo drum samples via drumkat, sometimes one of the stereo channel is delayed. I have to set the phase lock on...and then the midi response is slow! At 10:19 29/04/97 -0400, Harold LaRue wrote: >Thanks for all of your help! I figured out how to convert my S-550 files to >.wav format, which was my initial goal. > >I used SDISK to make an .out file then read that into AWAVE 32 and saved in the >proper format. I must say that AWAVE makes a very strong case for registration. >:) > >I spent the better part of the evening converting disks and will post some of >the more useful images to the FTP site soon. > >Again, thanks for your support! > >Harold LaRue >hlarue@csi.com > > > > >- >Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca >For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca > > - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 30 10:46:42 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18279 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:46:41 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <126>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:34:42 -0400 Received: from unidui.uni-duisburg.de ([134.91.4.3]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:16:59 -0400 Received: from d250-hrz.uni-duisburg.de by unidui.uni-duisburg.de with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA003598203; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:16:43 +0200 From: Becker Subject: sgroup Help needed ! To: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca (roland) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:16:42 -0400 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Message-Id: <97Apr30.041659edt.67@lotus.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R Hi ! I know that my questions are not about samplers, but maybe s.o. can help me out or name me another list...... What are the differences between the Roland XP50 and XP80 functioning as masterkeyboards? What I want to know is: - Are there any splitpoints so that I can e.g. play on midichannel 1 using keys C1 to C3 and midichannel 4 using keys C#3 to C5 ? - Can I change the tempo while playing a MSF-song ? - And does a XP sound different to a JV1080 ? I hope s.o. can help me! Please send emails directly to sj308be@d250-hrz.uni-duisburg.de ( Baker ) Thanx in advance and keep on sampling.... Ciao, Baker ! - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 30 15:11:52 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25370 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18119 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <135>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:59:55 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:59:05 -0400 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.14]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/2) with ESMTP id OAA03564; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/2) with SMTP id OAA22235; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Comments: OAA22235 on cypress (hop 0), Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:58:52 -0400 From: grilledcheese X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: Justin Scharvona cc: sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: sgroup: S-760 midi response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R > Is anyone 100% certain about the samplers being sluggish ? I've never > thought they were and have done all sorts of music on them. The only > time I ever found it slow down was when my midi card wasn't able to > send data out fast enough (an old sblaster 1.0). what about a s-330? ive never compared it to anything but it seems to be super non-sluggish to me. maybe its because of its limited amount of samples it can hold compared to the big rolands. when using director-s tho it gets ridiculously crappy fast responce, but thats not the 330's fault, it works great with an external (read: real) sequencer. aybody know how a 330 measures up speed wise to the sometimes not so great 700 series? -just curious. mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 30 15:26:22 1997 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (root@math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.144]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26325 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:26:22 -0400 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05553 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <136>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:13:24 -0400 Received: from mail2.grove.ufl.edu ([128.227.8.82]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:11:38 -0400 Received: from cypress.grove.ufl.edu (hotrod@grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.14]) by mail2.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/2) with ESMTP id PAA03632 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hotrod@localhost) by cypress.grove.ufl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/2) with SMTP id PAA32396 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Comments: PAA32396 on cypress (hop 0), Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:06:35 -0400 From: grilledcheese X-Sender: hotrod@cypress To: Roland Sampler Group Subject: Re: sgroup samples In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R hi all. i have downloaded some samples from the FTP site, and to tell the truth wasn't all that impressed. i am looking for good drum samples, (but aren't we all i guess). i do drum & bass. so far the only decent samples i have were recorded by me, of friends drums. is there a CD-rom, or a supplier of any sorts that anyone knows of that has good drum samples for d & b breaks? you know... tight tonal snares and kicks, noisy ride cymbals, etc. ill pay $$$$ for a CD-rom if i have to. this is important thanks for any help you can give mike - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca From owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Wed Apr 30 21:26:40 1997 Received: from lotus.uwaterloo.ca (lotus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.9]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04519 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:26:38 -0400 Received: by lotus.uwaterloo.ca id <137>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:17:18 -0400 Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.12]) by lotus.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <67>; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:16:28 -0400 Received: from [38.26.18.53] (ip53.an7-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.18.53]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04443; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705010044.UAA04443@brickbat9.mindspring.com> To: Subject: sgroup SAMPLEHEADS News 4/30/97 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:52:04 -0400 x-sender: sampleheads@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: SAMPLEHEADS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sgroup@lotus.uwaterloo.ca Precedence: bulk Status: R SAMPLEHEADS NEWSLETTER - April 30, 1997 Dear friends, Here's the news: 1. New York City Percussionworks (ROLAND) is NOW SHIPPING 2. Whole Lotta Country AKAI is in beta 3. ROM updates 4. Demo disc 5. SAMPLEHEADS Founder's Update ********************************************************** 1. New York City Percussionworks (ROLAND) is NOW SHIPPING. 2 CD-ROM set. With comprehensive documentation. Retail price is US$249.95 for 2 CD-ROMs. The SampleCell & Kurzweil roms are next. ********************************************************** 2. Whole Lotta Country AKAI in beta What does this mean? It means that we're now going to attempt to break it... and make sure it exceeds our standards before we send it to the plant. Realistically, it takes 2-3 weeks to get turnaround from our plant. Factor in some pre-press time and shipping.... we expect to have it in your hands by the first week of June. The Roland ROM has been developed side by side with the AKAI, so we'll have that within a few weeks of AKAI shipping. Kurzweil will be 4-5 weeks behind. And SampleCell right after that. ********************************************************** 3. DEMO DISC, DEMO CD-ROM. We have a demo/catalog CD/CD-ROM that works in audio CD players, Mac and Windows (multisession CD-ROM compatible). It contains audio demos of our product line and an interactive catalog. If you'd like a copy, please e-mail us, or call your local distributor. ********************************************************** 4. ROM updates The following formats are currently shipping: Whole Lotta Country - Audio New York City Percussionworks - Audio, AKAI, Roland Will Lee Bass Library - Audio, AKAI, Roland, SampleCell Peter Erskine Living Drums - Audio, AKAI, Roland, SampleCell New York City Drumworks - Audio, AKAI, Roland, SampleCell Ultra Freakin's Bass - Audio, AKAI, Roland, SampleCell ********************************************************** 4. Founder's Update 1997 had been a busy year for us. Chris has been scoring a new feature for Tri-Mark Pictures called, "Chairman Of The Board", starring Raquel Welch, Larry Miller and Carrot Top, to be released Fall '97. Jeremy is the Musical Supervisor of the Broadway musical, "Jekyll & Hyde" which opened on Broadway April 28. He's also recording the cast album and designed and programmed the 3 midi rigs for the show (the rigs use 10 Roland 760's w/ 32 megs each, but that's a whole article in itself!). Will just finished recording a new album for Billy Joel. And finally, an album that Jeremy and Will played on, JR arranged and Chris contributed his production expertise, shipped this month: "Linda Eder - It's Time" on Atlantic (yeah, we used our own samples on it, of course!). Thanks for your continued support and suggestions and comments. Our web site always has the latest news about new products. Please visit often. All the best, Jeremy, Chris and Will SAMPLEHEADS http://www.sampleheads.com **note: if we are sending this to you in error or you wish to be removed from this mailing or need to update an e-mail address, please send e-mail to either: mailinglist-remove@sampleheads.com or mailinglist-update@sampleheads.com - Sent by the sgroup mailing list on lotus.uwaterloo.ca For subscription information, send mail to majordomo@lotus.uwaterloo.ca