From mailbox.syr.edu!naherzin Sat Oct 31 21:42:41 1992 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168424-2>; Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:42:37 -0500 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA10871; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:43:14 EST Received: by rodan.acs.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA04548; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:38:28 EST Message-Id: <9211010238.AA04548@rodan.acs.syr.edu> To: jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Subject: 1991 April Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:38:27 -0500 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:34:52 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Third Party Developer List S/W Series Third Party Manufacturers List - v2.0 - 3/30/91 The following is a list of third party sound and hardware/software companies catering to the Roland S/W series. It is compiled from the Roland UserUs Group magazine, the Keyboard magazine buyers guide, and KeyboardUs classified ads. If you have any corrections, updates, or additions, send them in. I would strongly suggest contacting these companies first to try and get a demo. I have listed where I know they offer them, but always check. If anyone has reviews of these sounds, send them in too. The list is provided as a service to the sgroup (like, IUm not involved with any of these companies, OK?! :-) This list is divided into 4 sections: S50/550/330/W30 Sounds S50/550/330/W30 Software/Hardware S10/220/MKS-100 Sounds S10/220/MKS-100 Software/Hardware Notes: Some companies may not have disks in the S-50 format, but there is a conversion program that can convert from 550/330 to 50. Contact me if you have any questions about this. All software listings are retail price. Any miscellaneous items go under the hardware/software section (Books, etc...) Classified ads are updated if possible, but some may be old. CL: -means classified ad follows ** -means my own comments <> >Club 50: over 200 disks available, $20 each (I have two addresses, I think the second one is current, but IUm not sure) 25226 234th Ave. SE Maple Valley, WA 98038 (206) 432-1390 USA & 3102 North Ashwood Orange, CA 92665 (714) 921-0119 >Comm Sci Corp: 32 disks, 6 disk set-$98, 10 disk set-$159, complete-$399 Box 8757 Calabasas, CA 91302 (818) 999-1040 USA >Eye & I Productions: Voice Crystal, 4 volumes, 3 disks/volume 3 patches/disk, $35.85/volume (Once again, I have two addresses, not sure which is current) 2151 Old Oakland Rd. #224 San Jose, CA 95131 (408) 945-0139 USA & 930 Jungfrau Court Milpitas, CA 95035 (408) 945-0139 USA >Glove Productions: S50/550/W30 disks, $20 to $35 per disk **I have their 1989 catalog and demo disk if anyone is interested** Box 11168 Eugene, OR 97404-3368 USA >i.s.m. Free thousand disk catalog CL: Huge Library, ism has over a thousand disk library for Roland S-50/550/330/770/W30 includes not only real acoustic instruments, but also old & new synthesizers (Moog,PPg SY77, T!, D-70, and more) and powerful SE's. Digidesign Sound Designer formatted. Write/Fax for free 'thousand disk catalog': i.s.m. PO Box 179 Sapporo Chuo 060 Japan FAX 81118238627 >MIDI Mark: 4 disks, $10 each, whole set, $38, free sound list CL: Hot, Hot samples. Write for details MIDI Mark Productions PO Box 217 Whittier, CA 90608 USA >MIDIMouse: 19 disks, $24.95 each Box 877, Dept. B Welches, OR 97067 USA (503) 622-4034 >Navarrophonic: 70 disks, prices range from 3 disks for $30 to complete 70 disk library for $600; 60 additional disks amount/price: (3/$50, 4/$65, 5/$75 10/$135, 20/$240, 40/$400) CL: Sample Libraries for S-series. Demo cassette $6. Information/catalog: (301) 750-3813 COD orders only:(800) 666-5563 Ken Navarro/Navarrophonic Productions PO Box 1521 Columbia, MD 21044 USA >Northstar: 44 disks, 8 presets per disk, $15 each 13716 SE Ramona Portland, OR 97236 USA (503) 760-7777 >Optical Media: Universe of Sound CD-ROMS: Vol1, $495; Vol 2 Outrigger Productions Gold, $369. 485 Alberto Way Los Gatos, CA 95032 USA (408) 395-4332 >Outrigger: 200 disks, $20 per disk (discounts for bulk orders) CL: Roland S/W series disks. The best Roland sampler disk library available. New CD-ROM by Optical Media. New reference booklet with formulas, tables, and charts for musicians/computerists. For catalog Write/Fax Sandy Simpson Outrigger Productions PO Box 2719 Agana, Guam 96910 FAX (011) 671-734-5459 >Patchman Music: Elite Series sampler disks, 53 disk catalog, $20/disk multiple disk sets are discounted. 2043 Mars Ave. Lakewood, OH 44107 USA (216) 221-8887 >Prosonus: ProDisk digital sampled sounds & FX on preformatted floppy disks, 15+ sets, $49.95 each. Several sound CDUs (not CD-ROMS). 1616 Vista del Mar Los Angeles, CA 90028. USA (213) 463-6191 >PSL Productions: D50 sound set, 10 disks $70, MIDI stack set, 6 disks $65 CL: Great S-50 samples. D-50 sound set: 64 great D-50 sounds on 10 disks for $69.95 MIDI Textures: We layered today's 9 top synths. 6 disks for $64.95. Order today or send $8 for demo and sound list. S10 sounds available (**see next section for S10**) VISA/Mastercard PSL Productions PO Box 602 Stn. K Montreal QC Canada H1N 3R2 (514) 256-7936 **I have the D-50 sound set and am quite happy with it. I also have the demo disk and cassette. The disk is in the users library. I will gladly dub the demo tape for any who want to hear it but it is quite bad (not the sounds, but the production)** >Roland: 160 disks, check w/ dealer for availability 7200 Dominion Circle Los Angeles, CA 90040 USA (213) 685-5141 FAX: (213) 722-0911 >Sacks Music: S-50/550 sounds, demo disk $10, brochure $1 1636 Cahuenga Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90028 USA >Studio North: 5 sets, 10 disks/set, $40/set. Call for info P.O. Box 1024 Streetsville P.S. Mississauga, Ont. CANADA L5M 2C5 (416) 822-0234 >Uberschall: $15 per disk, 10 disk set, $120; demo cassette and sound list $8 Dieckbornstr. 5 3000 Hanover 91 Germany 011-49-511-455410 >USB: Universal sound bank, world's largest bank for Roland, Yamaha, and Akai samplers (over 500 original disks). Please write to: USB / Studio JBF 23 rue Poissonniere 75002 Paris, France >Walt Whitney: S-50 sounds, $10/disk P.O. Box 2411 Overland, MO 63114 (314) 429-2858 USA >John Zambrano: Techno Industrial Samples for S-series. Machine sounds, heavy percussion, techno-bass, killer synths, cyber-FX on 5 disks. $45 John Zambrano 2060 Emery Ave, Suite #205 LaHabra, CA 90631 USA <> >Digidesign: Sound Designer Universal for Mac ($395) and Atari ($349); Turbosynth modular synthesis/sample processing software for Mac & Atari, $349; Softsynth for S-50 and S10/MKS-100/S-220 Samplers - Mac and Atari ST (both $295); Sound Designer II for S50/550/330 and S-10/220/MKS-100 (all $995) 1360 Willow Rd., #101 Menlo Park, CA 94025 USA (415) 327-0777 >Eltekon Productions: Overdrive EX2 Hard Drive Systems for S50/550/W30 Sizes/Prices (20/$629, 30/$699, 40/$749, 60/$879, 80/$929, 100/$1514, 120/$1569) 37493 Schoolcraft Rd. Livonia, MI 48150 (313) 462-3155 USA >Interval Music: GenWave waveform editor/translator for Atari $349 12335 Santa Monica Blvd, #244 (12077 Wilshire Blvd, #515) Los Angeles, CA 90025 USA (213) 478-5791 (478-3956) >MGF Music: BOOK-Sampling S-50: A step by step guide... $17 (retail) 11 Lavender Hill Lane Andover, MA 01810 (508) 470-1584 >Passport: alchemy v2.0 sample editing & digital signal processing software w/ lib. for Mac,$695. Sound Apprentice multimedia sample editing & sound designer, w/lib. for Mac $395. (Not available for the W30). 625 Miramontes Half Moon Bay, CA 94019 USA (415) 726-0280 FAX: (415) 726-2254 >ToneGenics: S-50 +8 Output Mod $350, S-50 Hard disk interface Mod $500 P.O. Box 8288 Van Nuys, CA 91409 (818) 786-1177 >Turtle Beach: SampleVision sample editing software for IBM, $349 Box 5074 York, PA 17405 USA (717) 843-6916 FAX: (717) 854-8319 <> >Disk Emporium: S10/220/MKS-100 Libraries, 100+ disks, $39 per 10 disks **IsnUt it odd that Roland sells blank Quick Disks for $5/disk when you can buy presampled QDUs for $3.90/disk ???** 1189 East 14 Mile Rd. Burmingham, MI 48009 (313) 646-2054 USA >PSL: 18 disk set of layered synth textures, $150, $69.95 if disks supplied; 20 disk D-50 sound set, $133, $69.95 if disks supplied; demo cassette & sound list $8 PSL Productions PO Box 602 Stn. K Montreal QC Canada H1N 3R2 (514) 256-7936 >Roland: 11 sample vol., check w/ dealer for availability 7200 Dominion Circle Los Angeles, CA 90040 USA (213) 685-5141 FAX: (213) 722-0911 <> >Digidesign: Sound Designer Universal for Mac ($395) and Atari ($349); Turbosynth modular synthesis/sample processing software for Mac & Atari, $349; Softsynth for S10/MKS-100/S-220 Samplers - Mac and Atari ST (both $295); Sound Designer II for S-10/220/MKS-100 (all $995) 1360 Willow Rd., #101 Menlo Park, CA 94025 USA (415) 327-0777 >R.A. Lieu: S10 Filer.128 S10/220/MKS - 100 sample librarian for Commodore C-128 $45 250 Riverside Drive #45 New York, NY 10025 >Turtle Beach: SampleVision sample editing software for IBM, $349 Box 5074 York, PA 17405 USA (717) 843-6916 FAX: (717) 854-8319 -- Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:36:24 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Sorry... I accidently used smart quotes when I typed up the third party list. When you see a 'U' in the wrong place, it's actually an apostrophe. neil -- Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 00:37:32 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: S-220, MKS-100 Can someone post the general specs of the S-220 and the MKS-100. I'm guessing the 220 is just the rackmount version of the S10, but what is the MKS-100? neil -- Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 10:53:03 -0800 >From: pete%WLBR@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Pete Lyall) To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu, sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Third Party Developer List The MKS-100 is the rack mount version of the S10... the MKS-220 is essentially the same as an MKS-100, except that it has 4 individual outputs (one for each bank), as opposed to the single output for the MKS-100. There may be a few other minor differences. Pete -- >From: hayesel@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Erik Hayes) Subject: samples? To: sgroup@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 15:03:08 EST Just wanted to confirm that I have sent my contribution and requested some drum sounds. Have you received them yet?? Thanks ERik -- >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 5 Apr 1991 11:19 EST Subject: Allelujia!! Ring the chimes, let loose the pidgeons from their stools. All disks that I have received are in the mail. I will look into posting the newest library list this afternoon (or perhaps October:-). I have totally reorganized my library and am now much more able to handle disk requests efficiently. I've turned over a new leaf. I will indeed get future disks out in under a week or double your money back. I haven't had the chance to listen to all of the samples I have received but it looks awful good kids! gfd -- >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 8 Apr 1991 9:11 EDT Subject: NEW Sgroup Library! Here it is folks! I'm back in action after a tumultuous few months. Several new and useful things in the library that you will all love. I have heard that there is a new batch of stuff coming soon. I, myself, will add some pretty nice things this week. Where's Don Tycho?? His legendary guitar disks are now longer overdue than my stuff :-). Spring is in the air! The sun is shining, bird samples are in the tree speakers, samples of wind off of the sampled ocean waves. You get the idea... gfd ============================================================================== Sample List as of 4/8/91 Supplier Instrument Comments ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ D. Tycholis Yamaha RX-5* drum machine (complete) Neil Kawai R-100* drum machine (complete) R. Walter Alesis HR-16* drum machine gfd Oberheim Matrix 1000 analog synth (2 full disks). bass sounds, square wave lead, electronic percussion-type sounds (in a kit). Neil Roland D-50 pads (half a disk) gfd Korg M3r (1 disk; others soon) Bass, lead sound, Acoustic Bass layered with conga (very nice). gfd Korg SG-1D sampled grand (1 disk) sampled by a friend. Very interesting stereo effect makes you seem like you're "inside" the piano. very nice. all Miscelaneous guitar shots, CD player fast forwarding, chordal vocal samples, DX rhodes sound, D. Tycholis Assorted Basses bass-type samples from DX7, Steinberger T. Flemming stabs & effects some stereo, brass, orchestral shots. T. Flemming stabs & synths more stabs, korg synths, synth basses. T. Flemming assorted voices speech clips such as "Hit it!", "This is a Journey into Sound" and others. T. Flemming JB samples Assorted James Brown Owws, Yeahs and other-worldy noises. Includes some groove samples. D. Tycholis MC Hammer Samples of raw instrumentals of "U Can't Touch Dis" including some choice quotes. This package includes a sequence disk for the Mac Sequencer "performer" that strings the samples together for an S-550. W. Fox Money Samples from the beginning of Pink Floyd's song _Money_ and some voices. gfd trumpet samples mellow trumpet sound multi-sample. Sampled in my studio. Also hard attack. T. Flemming Alesis HR-16B drum machine (2 disks) (complete). T. Flemming Roland TR808 TR909 drum machines. (1 disk). gfd Roland R8 Rock set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Latin set gfd Roland R8 Ethnic set gfd Roland R8 Electronic set gfd Roland R8 Jazz set (with brushes) gfd Roland R8 Power set (2 disks) gfd Roland R8 Sound Effects set gfd Roland R8 TR707/505 set gfd Roland R8 Mallet set gfd Korg M3r drum sounds, with new deranged sounds added. Dubbed "George's favorites"! --------------------------*** new releases ***--------------------------- Neil Industrial 1 steel spikes, disk sanders, clangs, bangs and booms. Neil Industrial 2 lawn mowers from hell, doors closing and more. Neil Guitar riffs guitar screeches, chords and riffs. fool your friends! Neil Distorted drums these are some of the noisiest, ugliest, crackliest drum sounds you'll ever meet. Two thumbs up! Direct evidence of Neil's rapidly dementing mind. Neil Proteus 1 - 5 5 disks of Proteus samples. Haven't heard them yet. Eric C. Roland D-110 drum samples. (2 disks) Erik FX sound fx. (shit! I forget what they are! Sorry Erik!). T. Flemming Bolero! A do it yourself kit for Ravel's Bolero. ============================================================================ **** note 4/8/91 Back in action! I have a DAT tape full of Syclavier samples that should find their way the the library within the week. Sorry about all delays. Hopefully, a thing of the past. -- >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 8 Apr 1991 9:19 EDT Subject: THE RULES '91!! Guidelines always sounded so much nicer... READ THESE BEFORE YOU EVER EVEN ***DREAM*** OF SENDING DISKS... :-) ======================Obtaining Samples from The S-Group===================== (revised 4/8/91) OK, here we go. Some very basic guidelines: 1. disks sent and received should not contain Roland library samples unless seriously (and usefully) deranged to the point of non-recognition. 2. Every disk you send should be FORMATTED (I have both S-50 and S-330/S-550) and labeled. Unformatted disks will likely be returned empty and unformatted. Make sure you make note what machine they are formatted for. 3. Access to the S-library depends on your participation alone. A single contribution in earnest to the library will get you access to the entire library. Think of your contribution as the initiation fee. From then on, you can request any disks in the library. Please limit to 10 disks each mailing. 4. I had originally thought of limiting my activities to drum samples but I think I'll do whatever. I'm not particularly interested in acoustic instrument samples (get a proteus) unless they are unusual or extremely good. However, no samples of better than marginal quality will be rejected regardless of subject matter. 5. For the most part, I'm not going to spend a lot of time looping these samples because of the time involved. Nor will I do much vel-fades or splits or whatever. Expect tones, not patches. 6. Return addressed postage (you know, SASE) is mandatory. I need stamped addressed envelopes or I'll wait until you send them. Sorry, no exceptions. The SASE should also have YOUR address as the return address. 7. For those of you who just want disks for nothing: if you send formatted disks, I'll send something back: WHEN TIME ALLOWS. It could be weeks, it could be months: no promises. Folks that send sounds: I'll do my best for a week turnaround. 8. Use your imagination. Nobody wants 20 samples from Star Trek no matter how cute they are. We're making music, not video games :-). 9. My Address: George Demarest 110 East Fairview Avenue South Plainfield, NJ 07080 (201) 957-6392 (weekdays) 10. Sample everything! I especially like synth stuff, samples for House-type stuff, drum samples, noises. 11. Please, sample all sounds at 30K sampling rate (unless you intentionally wish to have a real nasty sound - NEIL!!!!). There really is a difference! 12. Send me e-mail describing what and when you are sending me. 13. Include a list of sounds that you have already gotten from me if applicable. This will eliminate the possibility of you getting the same stuff more than once. 14. Please refrain from sending samples that you have bought from someone else. Not that I'm afraid of getting sued, more so that it's not fair to them. Do your own sampling! 15. Samples can be sent on DAT tape. I have DAT and an easy way of getting DAT data down to the samplers. Of course, don't send 60 minutes worth of samples on DAT, but if there is a stereo sample that you think is exceptional, send it on DAT. All tapes will be returned intact unless otherwise requested. 16. DO NOT send originals. Send me copies of your sounds. You never know what you may get back! :-) 17. Samples must not be used to barter for Iraqi petroleum. =========================== Bonus Request ==================================== Eric C. did me the courtesy of actually printing the names of the disks he wanted on his pre-formatted disk labels. This makes it very clear and very easy for me to know exactly what you want. I wont demand this from all you jokers out there, but, it did speed up the process. A+ for Eric! =========================== Bogus Request ==================================== Someone else included a note that said, among other things, "I hope I have included enough postage...". People who don't send enough postage will receive melted disks. -- Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 14:58:30 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: NEW Sgroup Library! Nice job George, things look good, I'm looking forward to getting my new disks. To all other sgroupers: contribute! Let us together make a big ass user's library and thumb our noses at Roland. Thank You. neil -- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 12:35:08 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Library Disks I got my disks from George the other day (thanks dude!). I highly recommend the R8 and 16B drum machine sounds. George did quite a good job of making them sound hot. The R8 disks need some serious arranging to set them up for your own use, but that's the way they should be. Can't give George too much work :-) neil -- Date: Mon, 15 Apr 91 12:35:58 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Archives All messages from Febuary 1990 through March 1991 have been archived. If anyone is interested just drop me a note. neil -- >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 17 Apr 1991 9:51 EDT Subject: let's do it right Samplers, (and your owners) First things first: R. Lemke, your disks are on their way. I mailed them today. and some business: I have once again revised the library guidelines due to some recent confusion/abuses. Let me make it clear that I'm not kidding about reading the guidelines before you send things. First of all, I want a SELF-ADDRESSED ENVELOPE in the ENVELOPE YOU SEND. If you wish me to use the same envelope, enclose two stick-on labels with your address (one for the address, one for the return address). Let's get this together. People outside the US, when you send postage money, please send in US currency. People outside the US should also enclose a SELF-ADDRESSED ENVELOPE as well. DO WE ALL GET THE IDEA????? If by now you think that I'm in a bit of a shitty mood, maybe I am, but the above still holds :-) I wont send the guidelines list out again in full now. But mark my words: RTFG " READ THE F*****G GUIDELINES " ahem.... :-) gfd P.S. I am not a neo-nazi rules freak. I just don't have time for playing around. Whether you're streetwise rap sample-meister, a post industrial punk visionary, a retro-hippie-skate-punk, a college student (strange enough by itself :-), or the 12-bit -- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 91 16:57:57 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: let's do it right RFTG: (Rah-fuh-tag-guh) hmmmm...... a bit hard to pronounce, shall I add it to the rules!?! On another note, for anyone who read the recent 3rd party list, there was a company in Japan called i.s.m. that had a large Roland sampler library. It looks like Valhala (a large sound source company based in Michigan) has picked up the library for U.S. distribution. I suppose they have to be pretty good for a reputable company like Valhala to pick them up. I'll try to get a catalog. neil -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com >From: g.f.demarest@mtdca.att.com To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Date: 24 Apr 1991 8:57 EDT Subject: 1-800-BOTHER-GFD Recently I have received calls and mail from all over the world asking about the sgroup. Whereas I am always pleased to refer someone to Neil to add to the list, I am not the moderator of the group. All interested parties should be refered to Neil, not me. I am just a humble librarian (sitting here with my cup of tea in my rocking chair with a sleepy cat in my lap :-). I have my job and Neil has his. Please don't give people my name and number as a source of information for the sgroup. My general reply is "we're just a bunch of dumb musicians with enough money to buy a sampler. Call Neil". I think Neil can give a little better description. So, ROD LEMKE!!! :-) (you're off to a rough start, lad:-) If you have friends that are interested, give them Neil's address, not my phone number. If they have no net access, it is your responsibility to get them the guidelines and the library listing. You may want to call Carl Kristjan and tell him the way it is. gfd P.S. reading my mail, I see one may summize that I am a bit of a jerk about all this guidelines business. Think of it this way, for a little work and a little postage, you are getting some pretty decent sounds. By the way, shame on you for thinking I'm a jerk... :-) P.S. If this group could by any means represent a rough cross-section of Western educated people, then the state of the Western World's ability to follow simple instructions and behave themselves is in serious question in my mind. :-) P.P.S. Once again, if anyone thinks that any of the guidelines are unreasonable, send mail or post your thoughts. Of course, I retain the right to absolutely igrore them :-) -- Date: Wed, 24 Apr 91 20:39:55 -0400 (EDT) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: 1-800-BOTHER-GFD Sorry about the trouble George (you grumpy old man), I wasn't aware of all the stuff going on. I guess it can be confusing for a member to have a separate moderator and librarian, but that's the way it is... As far as non-net people go, of course it is no trouble to me if they want to trade samples, but I think it's completely up to George whether he wants to deal with them or not. It probably isn't fair to ask him to, considering there is no 'easy' communications route. As far as talking to me, send email! send snail-mail! give me a call! I don't mind. I will post this information for those of you who are interested. Neil Herzinger email: nh0n@andrew.cmu.edu usmail: Apt 47 1 Bayard Rd. Pittsburgh, PA 15213 USA phone: (412) 682-7083 [USA] neil -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 91 09:21 EDT To: Neil Anthony Herzinger Subject: Re: 1-800-BOTHER-GFD > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > To: gfd@mtdca.att.com > Subject: Re: 1-800-BOTHER-GFD > > So whats going on? Why all the bad blood? Are non-net people trying to trade > samples? No bad blood. Yes, some people have given my name and number to non-net people. This opens up a whole new can of worms in logistics and I would just rather not have to call people or send ground mail to people and hold their hand. I don't mind dealing with non-netters if they are "sponsored" by an sgroup person. That is, if the sgroup member gets the list and the guidelines to them and if the guidelines are followed. My main hesitation when I volunteered for this thing was that I would become a mail order house for the igrnorant. Getting calls on my phone asking what the sgroup is from a hundred people defeats the whole purpose of the group in my mind. With email, it's dealable, beyond that I don't know. My main gripe is that people want everything done for them. Studio potatoes... > I pretty much figure you don't want to deal with non-net people (I don't blame > you) but tell me your feelings on the subject so I may pass it on if need be. I can deal with non-netters if they know the full story on how it works. Looking after peoples laziness is not my job, (or yours). Your Servant, George -- >From: gfd@mtdca.att.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 91 09:39 EDT To: andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@mtdca.att.com Subject: Re: 1-800-BOTHER-GFD > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > To: Sgroup > Subject: Re: 1-800-BOTHER-GFD > > Sorry about the trouble George (you grumpy old man), I wasn't aware of all the > stuff going on. I guess it can be confusing for a member to have a separate > moderator and librarian, but that's the way it is... There isn't really any problem. Just the potential for one. In my mind, the Sgroup library is an exchange of samples for people who do some work with their sampler in a creative way, not some free service for people who like things done for them. The library has to be developed by all who use it. There is an unlimited number of beautiful/horrendous sounds in this world, and the sampler is a unique way to capture them. We just have to remember the difference between a sampler and a sample playback box. (don't ask, wiseguys!! :-) > As far as non-net people go, of course it is no trouble to me if they want to > trade samples, but I think it's completely up to George whether he wants to > deal with them or not. It probably isn't fair to ask him to, considering the re > is no 'easy' communications route. I have no problem with non-netters getting involved. I think that non-netters should somehow be "sponsored" by an Sgroup member who would be responsible for making sure that the guidelines are clear. > As far as talking to me, send email! send snail-mail! give me a call! I don't > mind. I will post this information for those of you who are interested. You heard the man folks! > Neil Herzinger My job is to keep and develop the library. Your job is to RTFG and to use and enjoy the samples that are available to you. George "I-don't-take-shit-from-nobody" Demarest P.S. If you were a musician and lived in New Jersey and worked at AT&T, you'd be grumpy too. :-!