From mailbox.syr.edu!naherzin Sat Oct 31 21:24:56 1992 Received: from mailbox.syr.edu ([128.230.18.5]) by watdragon.uwaterloo.ca with SMTP id <168420-3>; Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:24:51 -0500 Received: from rodan.acs.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA10725; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:24:55 EST Received: by rodan.acs.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA03380; Sat, 31 Oct 92 21:20:00 EST Message-Id: <9211010220.AA03380@rodan.acs.syr.edu> To: jmsellen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca Subject: 1991 January Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 21:19:59 -0500 From: "neil herzinger" Status: R Date: Mon, 14 Jan 91 22:04:19 CST >From: Jason Keeler Subject: Samples To: SGROUP+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU Hi; Well, It's been nearly 3weeks since NETNORTH shut down. I have had NO access to the outside world whatsoever since! In case you're interested, the CA*NET replaces NETNORTH as it's own Canadian network. I believe NETNORTH was just Canada's division of BITNET. Anyhow, CA*NET is sort of a cross between Internet and Bitnet. Now I can access this group in less than 40 characters! (which is how many characters it took me under NETNORTH ((just ask Neil!)) ) ....back to the topic at hand I was wondering what the latest sample volume from Roland is. The latest list I have goes up to RSB-5506. All we got here was RSB-5501 & 5504. I don't know that the heck is going on. I'm getting tired of waitingfor the other volumes. None of the stores here in Regina have the other volumes. I think Roland just thinks of us as some hole up in the north. They'd be pretty suprised to find the amount of S-series owners here. I don't know If I could possibly mail some blank disks out to one of you to get a few of the other volumes. P.S. I WILL get those samples to you George one of these days! -- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:23:21 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Holidays and War Hey S-people, I'm back from vacation and am getting settled into school once again. The list has been fairly quiet so I thought I'd post. What's up with the sample - net conversion stuff? I haven't heard from you Todd in a while, did you give it up? Any new contributions to the library George? I absolutly swear I will send some new disks in the next few days, all I gotta do is copy them. What else is happening in the sample world? neil -- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 91 13:41:27 EST >From: ranger!don@encore.encore.com (Don Law) To: encore!sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Holidays and War > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > > What's up with the sample - net conversion stuff? I don't know what Todd is doing, but I had set aside a few days back in November to work on this. It got overridden by an emergency (at my real job). December came and it was loaded with emergencies. I am currently working on my last emergency for a while (I can see you S-groupers starting to weep with sympathy now :-) ) and I have a pile of "comp time" built up. During some of that comp time, I'm going to hopefully start working on some of this stuff. I had hoped to be able to capture sample data using the new (3.0) Cakewalk, but its sysex buffer has a 64K limit. I can't fit even one bank in that, so I'll have to resort to writing my own sysex software on the PC. I'll let you know as soon as something works! --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** -- >From: tjt@blink.att.com Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 13:09:25 EST To: att!andrew.cmu.edu!sgroup@blink.att.com, att!encore.com!dlaw@blink.att.com Subject: Re: sample - net conversion stuff > > What's up with the sample - net conversion stuff? I'm fairly new to this list - what is this "sample - net conversion stuff" ? I don't have a Roland sampler (although I do have a D110 and U220), but I'm intending on getting a sampler shortly that is compatible with the Sample Dump Standard, and I am definitely intending on getting into writing software that manipulates samples. The first step will be figuring out how to convert various sampler formats to/from the SDS format, since I don't see very many people distributing samples in SDS format. (Why is that, by the way?) So, please let me know what the plans (or just intentions) are with respect to this "sample - net conversion" stuff, I may like to get involved. Thanks much. ...Tim Thompson...tjt@twitch.att.com... -- Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 16:16:00 EST >From: ranger!don@encore.encore.com (Don Law) To: encore!sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: sample - net conversion stuff > From: gould!blink.att.com!tjt > Original-From: blink!tjt (Tim Thompson(x4339)) > > I'm fairly new to this list - what is this "sample - net conversion stuff" ? Well, George does a great job of maintaining an Sgroup library, but he has to handle all the distribution by mail. A logical alternative is to have the samples available on an anonymous FTP site or such. What is needed is some software to get it through all the channels. That's one need. The second need is people like me who have an S-10 and cannot read the Sgroup library disks, because we use the "QuickDisc" 2.8" format disks. (Yes, I said 2.8 inch.) So one solution that has been tossed around is this: S-10 ---> IBM XT ---> Unix ---> Internet | | | MIDI NFS FTP and the reverse of course. I (or someone) needs to write the software to pick up the sysex off the midi interface and store it to floppy. Then, in my case, I would carry the floppy into work and use PC-NFS to FTP it up to a Unix host. From there, any reformatting could be performed as needed. For example, to/from S-10, S-330, SDS, etc. All this stuff needs to be bidirectional for obvious reasons. Hope this answers your question. --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** -- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 91 01:34:46 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: sample - net conversion Sorry about the confusion Tim, I suppose 'sample - net conversion stuff' is not the best descriptive term :-) Some members of the s-group were working on converting S-series samples into a net-transferrable condition. This way, our users library could be kept on-line and would be much more accessable. Right now we rely on snail mail and that causes alot of work for George and contributing members. I unfortunatly do not have the computer experience to pull this off, but it seems a few S-people are working on it. Your involvment would be greatly appreciated as well. neil -- Subject: Re: Holidays and War To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu (Roland Support Group) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 91 7:58:49 PST >From: todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us (Todd Day) %What's up with the sample - net conversion stuff? I haven't heard from %you Todd %in a while, did you give it up? Well, I was going to start at the beginning of the year, but the disk drive died on my S-50. I'm in the process of getting a replacement right now (any 720K IBMPC type drive works) and will probably start working on it again this next week. -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ivucsb!todd@hub.ucsb.edu -- >From: gdemarest@attmail.com Date: Sun Jan 20 14:32:08 EST 1991 Subject: Sgroup activities To: attmail!internet!andrew.cmu.edu!Sgroup+@attmail.com My Friends, My apologies about recent silence. You can understand how recent unemployment might have a certain effect on my sampling activities. All is clear now and I will be starting work Feb 1. In the meantime, I have disks to send out to those waiting. They will be out early this week. Be good. gfd -- Subject: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu (Roland Support Group) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 91 8:35:42 PST >From: todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us (Todd Day) Well, I'm going to be starting on the disk converter sometime this weekend. I want to put a cool Windows interface on it. Would this be a problem for you guys? I think I'm going to do the Windows version first. After that, I'll add a dumb text interface. I release the source with #ifdefs throughout so if you don't have Windows, you can still use it. It won't be pretty, though... So, what do you think? Anyone out there interested on working on the code with me to add other interfaces to it (Mac, Amiga, Atari ST, etc)? Drop me a line... -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ivucsb!todd@hub.ucsb.edu -- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 91 14:10:06 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter Once this is done, will there be a way to ftp sounds? Forgive my ignorance but I ain't the biggetst computer expert. (I own a mac, BTW) neil -- To: nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter Date: 21 Jan 91 17:51:42 EST (Mon) >From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) >From uucp Mon Jan 21 17:45 EST 1991 >>From andrew.cmu.edu!nh0n+ Mon Jan 21 17:45:06 1991 remote from osu-cis >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 91 14:10:06 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger >To: Sgroup >Subject: Re: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter > >Once this is done, will there be a way to ftp sounds? Forgive my ignorance >but I ain't the biggetst computer expert. (I own a mac, BTW) You got it. That's the idea. The files could be compressed with compress or pack even though we don't expect much compression out of samples. If the library gets huge perhaps the person doing the admin on the ftp site could allow users to send in a 2400 ft reel of tape. > >neil > David -- Subject: Re: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu (Roland Support Group) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 91 18:21:50 PST >From: todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us (Todd Day) %Once this is done, will there be a way to ftp sounds? Yes. I suggest we take the files generated by my program and compress them. Then, when sending via email or netnews, uuencode the compressed files. -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ivucsb!todd@hub.ucsb.edu -- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:11:09 -0500 (EST) >From: Neil Anthony Herzinger To: Sgroup Subject: Re: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter I guess what I was trying to ask is... Once ftp'd to my account, how do I get these sounds to my sampler? I guess someone will have to write a mac program, or do I need to use a commercial sample librarian? neil -- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 00:31:28 EST >From: ranger!don@encore.encore.com (Don Law) To: encore!sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter > From: Neil Anthony Herzinger > > I guess what I was trying to ask is... Once ftp'd to my account, how do I get > these sounds to my sampler? I guess someone will have to write a mac > program, or do I need to use a commercial sample librarian? That's my problem, too. Some S-groupers can use the disk conversion program to read the file from the net and write it to a disk which can then be moved directly to the sampler. The rest of us need some software help. My plan is to eventually (at this rate, someone else might beat me to it) write a C program which will read the file of sample data which I ftp from the internet and then send that via Sysex to my S-10. (And it needs to work in reverse as well.) I'll be writing it for the PC, but of course I'll share the source with whomever would like it. Do you have a C compiler for the mac? --Don Law dlaw@encore.com ...!uunet!gould!dlaw --Ada Development, MS404 --Encore Computer Corporation ***** In the computer lab, ***** --Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33313 ***** No one can hear you scream. ***** -- Subject: Re: S50 <==> IBMPC disk converter To: sgroup+@andrew.cmu.edu (Roland Support Group) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 6:09:59 PST >From: todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us (Todd Day) %I guess what I was trying to ask is... Once ftp'd to my account, how do I get %these sounds to my sampler? I guess someone will have to write a mac program, %or do I need to use a commercial sample librarian? Someone who knows how to deal with SYSEX MIDI stuff will have to read the files my program writes. I'll be saving the entire header for each sample, so all of that information will be available to you, also. -- Todd Day | todd@ivucsb.sba.ca.us | ivucsb!todd@hub.ucsb.edu